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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,003 --> 00:00:49,657 These days, to kind of be 2 00:00:49,701 --> 00:00:51,181 an iconic scene in a horror movie, 3 00:00:51,224 --> 00:00:52,506 you kind of have to think of it as, 4 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:54,271 what would the animated GIF be? 5 00:00:54,314 --> 00:00:56,447 Jack Nicholson axing through a door, 6 00:00:56,490 --> 00:00:57,946 putting his face in, and saying, "Here's Johnny." 7 00:00:57,970 --> 00:00:59,624 Here's Johnny. 8 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:00,949 Even if they've never seen the movie, 9 00:01:00,973 --> 00:01:02,472 they could just go, "That's 'The Shining.'" 10 00:01:02,496 --> 00:01:04,150 And that's what makes it iconic. 11 00:01:04,193 --> 00:01:06,152 It's something that permeates culture 12 00:01:06,196 --> 00:01:08,087 even for people that don't even know where it's from. 13 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:10,287 That iconic line of dialogue... 14 00:01:10,330 --> 00:01:11,984 What's your favorite scary movie? 15 00:01:12,027 --> 00:01:13,420 That iconic death... 16 00:01:13,463 --> 00:01:15,030 It's all for you. 17 00:01:20,427 --> 00:01:23,735 That iconic special effect... 18 00:01:23,778 --> 00:01:25,998 It's those movies that really stick with you. 19 00:01:26,041 --> 00:01:28,566 There is no other genre that you feel that presence, 20 00:01:28,609 --> 00:01:30,307 you feel that memory of the movie 21 00:01:30,350 --> 00:01:31,395 sticking with you. 22 00:01:54,113 --> 00:01:55,897 "A Quiet Place" is 23 00:01:55,941 --> 00:01:58,726 a very scary postapocalyptic movie 24 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:01,468 in which aliens come to Earth 25 00:02:01,512 --> 00:02:03,427 and they are attracted to sound. 26 00:02:03,470 --> 00:02:05,907 And if you make a sound, they're going to kill you. 27 00:02:05,951 --> 00:02:07,648 It's a pretty simple premise, 28 00:02:07,692 --> 00:02:09,302 but it's a really horrifying premise. 29 00:02:09,346 --> 00:02:11,478 And the first few seconds, you know 30 00:02:11,521 --> 00:02:13,195 you're watching something you've never seen before. 31 00:02:13,219 --> 00:02:14,742 It's fresh and new and strange. 32 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:16,067 You don't know what the monsters are. 33 00:02:16,091 --> 00:02:17,092 What-- why are they-- 34 00:02:17,136 --> 00:02:18,268 postapocalyptic, I get it. 35 00:02:18,311 --> 00:02:19,486 They're in a supermarket. 36 00:02:19,530 --> 00:02:21,096 Like, there's no humans. 37 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:22,533 I didn't know going into that movie 38 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:24,230 what was the threat. 39 00:02:24,274 --> 00:02:26,798 Whatever it was, it was clear that you shouldn't be loud. 40 00:02:26,841 --> 00:02:28,887 What's so great about that movie 41 00:02:28,930 --> 00:02:32,282 is that it plays with sound in such a memorable way, 42 00:02:32,324 --> 00:02:35,241 because you go from the world the parents are experiencing-- 43 00:02:35,285 --> 00:02:36,851 they have to keep quiet-- 44 00:02:36,895 --> 00:02:38,288 but then you also keep going 45 00:02:38,331 --> 00:02:40,246 into the world of their daughter 46 00:02:40,290 --> 00:02:43,380 who can't hear anything, so it's completely quiet. 47 00:02:43,423 --> 00:02:46,383 You can't hear a noise at all. 48 00:02:46,426 --> 00:02:49,821 There is a little boy, and he finds this rocket ship. 49 00:02:49,864 --> 00:02:51,257 And he wants to take it with him, 50 00:02:51,301 --> 00:02:52,476 but the parents are like, 51 00:02:52,519 --> 00:02:53,540 "No, that's gonna make a noise. 52 00:02:53,564 --> 00:02:55,130 You can't take that with you." 53 00:02:55,174 --> 00:02:58,221 But then his sister lets him keep the rocket ship. 54 00:03:01,049 --> 00:03:02,288 At the end of that first scene, 55 00:03:02,312 --> 00:03:03,898 which sets everything up, is when you see 56 00:03:03,922 --> 00:03:05,378 that the little kids grab the batteries, 57 00:03:05,402 --> 00:03:06,968 and you know it's not gonna be good. 58 00:03:07,012 --> 00:03:09,362 But you never expect it's gonna be executed the way it is. 59 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:12,974 So at some point, she just looks and sees 60 00:03:13,018 --> 00:03:14,411 that her brother has this rocket 61 00:03:14,454 --> 00:03:15,934 and the rocket is lighting up. 62 00:03:15,977 --> 00:03:18,066 And she knows that things are going horribly wrong 63 00:03:18,110 --> 00:03:19,503 and it's in part her fault. 64 00:03:19,546 --> 00:03:21,548 So it's this horrifying moment 65 00:03:21,592 --> 00:03:23,309 where John Krasinski is, like, running and trying 66 00:03:23,333 --> 00:03:25,117 to get to it-- to his son. 67 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,859 But having seen a billion horror movies, 68 00:03:27,902 --> 00:03:31,254 you probably assume he's gonna save the kid. 69 00:03:31,297 --> 00:03:32,579 You're convinced he's gonna save the kid. 70 00:03:32,603 --> 00:03:33,952 How is he not gonna save the kid? 71 00:03:33,995 --> 00:03:34,953 He's gonna save the kid. 72 00:03:34,996 --> 00:03:36,302 He's running. He's fast. 73 00:03:36,346 --> 00:03:37,564 He's gonna get him. 74 00:03:37,608 --> 00:03:38,802 The whole family's freaking out, 75 00:03:38,826 --> 00:03:40,226 but they seem like they have a plan. 76 00:03:40,263 --> 00:03:41,283 They have the sand on the floor. 77 00:03:41,307 --> 00:03:42,328 They have shit figured out. 78 00:03:42,352 --> 00:03:44,267 So how can the kid be taken? 79 00:03:44,310 --> 00:03:46,138 So just like that, 80 00:03:46,181 --> 00:03:49,533 years of horror tropes make a sharp turn, 81 00:03:49,576 --> 00:03:51,709 and bang, the kid's actually taken. 82 00:03:51,752 --> 00:03:53,121 And that's what's shocking about it. 83 00:03:53,145 --> 00:03:55,190 When a kid got killed in a movie 84 00:03:55,234 --> 00:03:57,889 in the '70s or even in the '80s, 85 00:03:57,932 --> 00:04:00,021 it was a lot more taboo. 86 00:04:00,065 --> 00:04:04,287 But now in terms of a lot of the material 87 00:04:04,330 --> 00:04:06,332 that's being created, a lot of it's being told 88 00:04:06,376 --> 00:04:08,595 through the perspective of kids. 89 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:11,381 Because the stories are cashing in 90 00:04:11,424 --> 00:04:13,948 on that vulnerability. 91 00:04:13,992 --> 00:04:15,907 You gotta find the person that's vulnerable. 92 00:04:15,950 --> 00:04:18,257 And then that person that's vulnerable 93 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:20,999 is the one that's going to be terrorized. 94 00:04:41,106 --> 00:04:43,804 This is the autopsy of an unidentified female 95 00:04:43,848 --> 00:04:45,806 henceforth known as Jane Doe. 96 00:04:47,765 --> 00:04:51,421 "The Autopsy of Jane Doe" stars Brian Cox 97 00:04:51,464 --> 00:04:54,598 and Emile Hirsch as a father-son coroner team. 98 00:04:54,641 --> 00:04:56,904 And a body is brought in. 99 00:04:56,948 --> 00:04:59,080 Found her in the basement of the Douglas' place. 100 00:04:59,124 --> 00:05:01,692 No ID. No fingerprints in the system. 101 00:05:01,735 --> 00:05:03,215 No one has a clue who she is. 102 00:05:03,258 --> 00:05:04,564 A young woman. 103 00:05:04,608 --> 00:05:07,828 She's completely unscathed from the outside. 104 00:05:07,872 --> 00:05:10,657 And that's a bit of a mystery because she's been found 105 00:05:10,701 --> 00:05:12,355 at a horrific crime scene. 106 00:05:16,533 --> 00:05:18,273 It becomes almost like a detective story 107 00:05:18,317 --> 00:05:19,927 where they're finding out 108 00:05:19,971 --> 00:05:23,366 all of these weird inconsistencies about the body 109 00:05:23,409 --> 00:05:25,411 and trying to paint a bigger picture 110 00:05:25,455 --> 00:05:27,674 about what's going on. 111 00:05:27,718 --> 00:05:28,893 But at the same time, 112 00:05:28,936 --> 00:05:30,547 these supernatural instances 113 00:05:30,590 --> 00:05:32,287 are starting to occur 114 00:05:32,331 --> 00:05:33,637 in the morgue around them. 115 00:05:34,681 --> 00:05:36,204 A great idea. 116 00:05:36,248 --> 00:05:38,119 And shot really well. 117 00:05:38,163 --> 00:05:39,860 It looks like a Japanese horror movie. 118 00:05:39,904 --> 00:05:41,427 It looks like Korean horror movie. 119 00:05:41,471 --> 00:05:43,603 That's the saturated color palette 120 00:05:43,647 --> 00:05:48,434 and the claustrophobia of the setting. 121 00:05:48,478 --> 00:05:49,870 She never moves, and even though 122 00:05:49,914 --> 00:05:51,219 the corpse never moves, 123 00:05:51,263 --> 00:05:53,221 it still seems to kind of respond 124 00:05:53,265 --> 00:05:54,919 in these really subtle ways. 125 00:05:59,358 --> 00:06:01,491 You know, it's a lot like Japanese films 126 00:06:01,534 --> 00:06:03,797 where the ghost is incarnate, 127 00:06:03,841 --> 00:06:06,278 but it is working through other means. 128 00:06:06,321 --> 00:06:08,715 It's working psychologically in particular. 129 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:12,763 ♪ Come on and let the sunshine in ♪ 130 00:06:12,806 --> 00:06:14,982 And it's always with one tiny thing 131 00:06:15,026 --> 00:06:16,984 marking that something's off now. 132 00:06:17,028 --> 00:06:18,943 The song coming on the radio. 133 00:06:18,986 --> 00:06:21,249 A noise. The lights flashing. 134 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:22,947 The power going out. 135 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:26,733 And that always then sets off a course of events 136 00:06:26,777 --> 00:06:28,561 that are gonna get downright terrifying. 137 00:06:28,605 --> 00:06:31,259 As they start to cut her open 138 00:06:31,303 --> 00:06:33,436 and look inside, 139 00:06:33,479 --> 00:06:37,657 they see all of these signs of extensive trauma 140 00:06:37,701 --> 00:06:38,919 inside of her body. 141 00:06:41,531 --> 00:06:43,663 Her lungs are blackened like she burned to death 142 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:45,317 and inhaled smoke and soot, 143 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,188 but at the same time, there's no burn marks 144 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:48,538 on the exterior. 145 00:06:48,581 --> 00:06:50,627 And it goes from there until you get 146 00:06:50,670 --> 00:06:52,542 into some really weird stuff, 147 00:06:52,585 --> 00:06:56,894 like a swallowed tooth wrapped in cloth in her stomach 148 00:06:56,937 --> 00:07:00,027 as well as jimsonweed, meaning she was paralyzed, 149 00:07:00,071 --> 00:07:01,351 so all this stuff was done to her 150 00:07:01,376 --> 00:07:02,552 while she was still alive. 151 00:07:02,595 --> 00:07:04,292 What we end up watching a lot of the time 152 00:07:04,336 --> 00:07:06,599 is not necessarily the autopsy. 153 00:07:06,643 --> 00:07:09,602 It's their findings. It's them interacting. 154 00:07:09,646 --> 00:07:11,474 It's them writing on a chalkboard 155 00:07:11,517 --> 00:07:12,953 trying to make sense 156 00:07:12,997 --> 00:07:14,520 of everything that they're learning. 157 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:16,261 It was so mysterious. 158 00:07:16,304 --> 00:07:18,698 But to me, the most amazing thing is 159 00:07:18,742 --> 00:07:20,744 when they peel the skin open 160 00:07:20,787 --> 00:07:25,009 and there's hieroglyphics inside her skin. 161 00:07:25,052 --> 00:07:26,750 How did that get there? 162 00:07:26,793 --> 00:07:30,754 And it's so weird and beautiful and striking. 163 00:07:30,797 --> 00:07:32,712 Holy shit. 164 00:07:32,756 --> 00:07:34,845 That scene in "Jane Doe" 165 00:07:34,888 --> 00:07:36,629 will stick with me forever. 166 00:07:36,673 --> 00:07:38,152 And that's what leads up to some 167 00:07:38,196 --> 00:07:40,024 of the most harrowing scenes in the film. 168 00:07:40,067 --> 00:07:42,069 They try everything they can to destroy her, 169 00:07:42,113 --> 00:07:43,680 and you can try to burn her. 170 00:07:43,723 --> 00:07:45,377 It doesn't work. 171 00:07:45,420 --> 00:07:46,615 You know, they're even cutting her up. 172 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:47,945 That doesn't work. 173 00:07:47,988 --> 00:07:49,947 Terrible things still keep happening. 174 00:07:51,731 --> 00:07:54,604 Because that trauma is so large 175 00:07:54,647 --> 00:07:57,084 that it keeps resonating through the years 176 00:07:57,128 --> 00:07:58,521 and across centuries. 177 00:07:58,564 --> 00:08:01,088 Please. Don't hurt him. 178 00:08:01,132 --> 00:08:03,351 Dad! 179 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:05,266 Dad! 180 00:08:10,184 --> 00:08:12,491 I don't think anyone knows the plot of "Phantasm," 181 00:08:12,535 --> 00:08:15,320 including Don Coscarelli who made the movie. 182 00:08:15,363 --> 00:08:17,801 "Phantasm" is like a fun house. 183 00:08:17,844 --> 00:08:19,846 There's something around every corner. 184 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:21,195 You don't know what it is. 185 00:08:21,239 --> 00:08:23,241 You don't know what the rules are. 186 00:08:23,284 --> 00:08:25,852 At one point, it goes to another dimension. 187 00:08:25,896 --> 00:08:27,854 It's seriously a movie 188 00:08:27,898 --> 00:08:31,292 that just makes up the rules as it goes. 189 00:08:31,336 --> 00:08:33,947 And for some people, that's very annoying. 190 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:36,645 And for other people, that's very exciting. 191 00:08:37,647 --> 00:08:42,129 I couldn't explain to you exactly what's going on or why, 192 00:08:42,173 --> 00:08:44,697 but it all feels like it makes absolute sense to me. 193 00:08:44,741 --> 00:08:46,960 It was all in your mind. 194 00:08:47,004 --> 00:08:48,571 I think what sells it-- 195 00:08:48,614 --> 00:08:50,573 what sells the strangeness of the plotting... 196 00:08:52,749 --> 00:08:55,012 The Tall Man, Angus Scrimm, 197 00:08:55,055 --> 00:08:57,710 is this menacing presence. 198 00:08:57,754 --> 00:09:01,627 The funeral is about to begin, sir. 199 00:09:01,671 --> 00:09:03,673 And he's the mystery figure 200 00:09:03,716 --> 00:09:05,762 as seen through a little boy's eyes. 201 00:09:07,328 --> 00:09:11,637 Boy. 202 00:09:11,681 --> 00:09:12,788 There are so many people that just-- 203 00:09:12,812 --> 00:09:14,988 "Boy" upsets them deeply, right? 204 00:09:15,032 --> 00:09:16,642 "Boy." 205 00:09:16,686 --> 00:09:17,967 All the sudden, even if you're an adult watching this, 206 00:09:17,991 --> 00:09:19,340 you are put into the position 207 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:20,907 of being a child and in trouble. 208 00:09:20,951 --> 00:09:22,822 Boy. 209 00:09:22,866 --> 00:09:25,172 Like, that's a villain, you know? 210 00:09:25,216 --> 00:09:26,826 It's a way he utters a word 211 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:28,567 which, you know, bothers people for life. 212 00:09:28,611 --> 00:09:31,004 Because it's not super clear why he's here, 213 00:09:31,048 --> 00:09:32,765 it's not super clear what he's about to do to you. 214 00:09:32,789 --> 00:09:34,051 It's just the kind of thing 215 00:09:34,094 --> 00:09:36,314 that children's nightmares are made of. 216 00:09:36,357 --> 00:09:38,621 Movies are dreamlike anyway. 217 00:09:38,664 --> 00:09:40,710 It's dream within a dream within a dream. 218 00:09:42,233 --> 00:09:43,340 You have a forbidden place 219 00:09:43,364 --> 00:09:45,366 that the main characters go to 220 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:47,847 that's a mausoleum-type environment, 221 00:09:47,891 --> 00:09:49,849 so it's full of dead people. 222 00:09:49,893 --> 00:09:52,852 It's also full of a flying silver sphere 223 00:09:52,896 --> 00:09:55,855 that attacks you and burrows into your forehead 224 00:09:55,899 --> 00:09:58,641 and causes blood to spurt out of your body. 225 00:09:58,684 --> 00:10:01,644 Why is the flying sphere there? I don't know. 226 00:10:01,687 --> 00:10:04,211 But it's part of the menace of the forbidden mortuary. 227 00:10:05,735 --> 00:10:07,867 The spheres are amazing. 228 00:10:07,911 --> 00:10:09,695 I'm not exactly sure how they got the effects 229 00:10:09,739 --> 00:10:12,350 of them shooting through the halls. 230 00:10:12,393 --> 00:10:14,700 But they're really scary and they're really imaginative 231 00:10:14,744 --> 00:10:15,745 and they're like nothing 232 00:10:15,788 --> 00:10:17,311 anybody would have seen in 1979. 233 00:10:17,355 --> 00:10:18,922 My God. 234 00:10:18,965 --> 00:10:20,445 That's one of those great things 235 00:10:20,488 --> 00:10:21,359 'cause you don't know what it's gonna do. 236 00:10:21,402 --> 00:10:22,882 What is this weird sphere? 237 00:10:22,926 --> 00:10:25,319 What's it gonna do when it catches up to you? 238 00:10:25,363 --> 00:10:26,993 And then it just fucking drills all the blood out of your body? 239 00:10:27,017 --> 00:10:28,279 That's so cool. 240 00:10:32,936 --> 00:10:35,678 There was just something cool about the way it was shot. 241 00:10:35,721 --> 00:10:37,244 It just had a lot of cool stuff. 242 00:10:37,288 --> 00:10:40,073 They had a cool car. 243 00:10:40,117 --> 00:10:41,596 So it was two guys in a graveyard, 244 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,381 a tall man, and a ball 245 00:10:43,424 --> 00:10:45,078 that could suck blood out of your head. 246 00:10:46,166 --> 00:10:48,168 On the cool factor, 247 00:10:48,212 --> 00:10:50,344 "Phantasm" is up there pretty high. 248 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,003 "Ju-On" is almost kind of like 249 00:10:57,047 --> 00:10:58,570 an urban legend put on film. 250 00:10:58,613 --> 00:11:00,137 It's an anthology where you have 251 00:11:00,180 --> 00:11:01,462 this ghostly presence in a neighborhood 252 00:11:01,486 --> 00:11:03,706 that's born from deep trauma. 253 00:11:03,749 --> 00:11:05,509 Because in Japan, the way that the dead are thought of 254 00:11:05,533 --> 00:11:07,274 is very different than it is here. 255 00:11:07,318 --> 00:11:09,799 In Japan, it's sort of like these are your ancestors. 256 00:11:09,842 --> 00:11:11,037 They're all sort of bound together 257 00:11:11,061 --> 00:11:12,125 and they have to take care of each other, 258 00:11:12,149 --> 00:11:13,256 and so when something goes wrong 259 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,629 and that chain gets broken, 260 00:11:14,673 --> 00:11:16,172 then that person literally can't leave. 261 00:11:16,196 --> 00:11:18,503 They're stuck with you. 262 00:11:18,546 --> 00:11:21,201 It's almost like a disease following you. 263 00:11:21,245 --> 00:11:23,943 Ghosts, oftentimes in Japanese, Hong Kong, 264 00:11:23,987 --> 00:11:25,249 South Korean horror, 265 00:11:25,292 --> 00:11:26,685 they can take on a physical form. 266 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:28,556 It makes it difficult to determine 267 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,167 what is and what is not a ghost. 268 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:32,647 That can be particularly alarming 269 00:11:32,691 --> 00:11:34,345 as you go about your everyday life. 270 00:11:34,388 --> 00:11:36,410 Especially if you live alone in, like, an apartment building 271 00:11:36,434 --> 00:11:37,628 or if you're working in an office building, 272 00:11:37,652 --> 00:11:38,871 you have to watch out 273 00:11:38,915 --> 00:11:40,153 because the ghosts could pop up anywhere. 274 00:11:40,177 --> 00:11:42,788 They can show up in windows... 275 00:11:42,832 --> 00:11:44,312 When you're out doing your business... 276 00:11:50,013 --> 00:11:51,164 "Ju-On" exploits that really well 277 00:11:51,188 --> 00:11:52,885 because there is a very creepy ghost boy 278 00:11:52,929 --> 00:11:54,769 who turns up when you really don't want him to. 279 00:11:59,022 --> 00:12:00,588 So there's a young woman, of course, 280 00:12:00,632 --> 00:12:02,392 who winds up falling under the hex of this grudge, 281 00:12:02,416 --> 00:12:04,201 and in the scene that really traumatized 282 00:12:04,244 --> 00:12:05,942 all of us when we saw this movie, 283 00:12:05,985 --> 00:12:07,465 she keeps being followed by it. 284 00:12:09,946 --> 00:12:11,817 She first encounters it in the bathroom. 285 00:12:13,732 --> 00:12:15,362 Then she asks the security guard for help. 286 00:12:15,386 --> 00:12:16,735 And I think it's notable, 287 00:12:16,779 --> 00:12:18,563 one of the times that she sees the ghost 288 00:12:18,606 --> 00:12:21,218 is on a security camera screen. 289 00:12:21,261 --> 00:12:22,959 One of the sort of interesting features 290 00:12:23,002 --> 00:12:24,699 about so many of the Japanese horror films 291 00:12:24,743 --> 00:12:28,660 is this persistent anxiety about technology 292 00:12:28,703 --> 00:12:32,795 or technology as this conduit to which we can see spirits 293 00:12:32,838 --> 00:12:34,840 and spirits can get to us. 294 00:12:37,974 --> 00:12:39,845 As she is moving on the elevator 295 00:12:39,889 --> 00:12:43,370 and you see Toshio's face coming out from the window. 296 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:47,287 It's that idea of repetition. 297 00:12:47,331 --> 00:12:49,028 You know, these characters who are stuck, 298 00:12:49,072 --> 00:12:50,595 and then this character who is now 299 00:12:50,638 --> 00:12:52,597 gonna be stuck with them. 300 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,686 And then the movie really hits on a primal fear, 301 00:12:54,729 --> 00:12:57,254 and that's something invading your bed. 302 00:12:57,297 --> 00:12:58,777 That's when she crawls into bed 303 00:12:58,821 --> 00:13:00,910 and she thinks that she's actually evaded this thing, 304 00:13:00,953 --> 00:13:02,793 and she sees something moving under the sheets. 305 00:13:08,308 --> 00:13:10,310 And of course, she pulls it back, 306 00:13:10,354 --> 00:13:11,810 and just the face sort of staring at her 307 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:13,159 from under the sheets, it scares her to death 308 00:13:13,183 --> 00:13:14,663 and the audience too at the same time. 309 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,884 The very idea that you can be in your own bed 310 00:13:18,928 --> 00:13:20,886 and something can come up at you, 311 00:13:20,930 --> 00:13:23,193 that's horrifying. 312 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:25,369 We think about things coming out of our closets. 313 00:13:25,412 --> 00:13:27,066 We think about things under our bed. 314 00:13:28,285 --> 00:13:29,479 But it's not as often we think 315 00:13:29,503 --> 00:13:31,810 about the scary things under our sheets. 316 00:13:31,854 --> 00:13:34,726 So to have that image, that face coming out at you, 317 00:13:34,769 --> 00:13:36,554 is part of what makes this film so chilling. 318 00:13:37,555 --> 00:13:40,384 Some of these scares are always best supported 319 00:13:40,427 --> 00:13:42,690 by the larger points of the movie, 320 00:13:42,734 --> 00:13:45,345 and "The Grudge" is one of lingering trauma. 321 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:47,434 You can't escape her because you can't escape 322 00:13:47,478 --> 00:13:49,262 these terrible things that happened in life 323 00:13:49,306 --> 00:13:50,849 that will always have a hold on the people they affected 324 00:13:50,873 --> 00:13:52,439 and even, like, go out 325 00:13:52,483 --> 00:13:53,876 into the world and affect others 326 00:13:53,919 --> 00:13:55,486 because these acts were so terrible 327 00:13:55,529 --> 00:13:57,009 and they were such examples 328 00:13:57,053 --> 00:13:58,773 of humans being so terrible to each other... 329 00:13:59,882 --> 00:14:01,361 That it has, like, ripples 330 00:14:01,405 --> 00:14:05,148 through the supernatural, which is pretty heavy. 331 00:14:13,765 --> 00:14:15,114 Hello? 332 00:14:15,158 --> 00:14:17,595 Have you checked the children? 333 00:14:17,638 --> 00:14:19,205 Who is this? 334 00:14:24,994 --> 00:14:28,127 "When a Stranger Calls" is on every horror fan's list. 335 00:14:28,171 --> 00:14:29,868 And it's because of that opening-- 336 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:32,392 opening 20 minutes with Carol Kane. 337 00:14:32,436 --> 00:14:34,829 The movie starts with this babysitter, 338 00:14:34,873 --> 00:14:38,224 and she's in this big, giant house alone, 339 00:14:38,268 --> 00:14:40,748 and the kids are asleep upstairs, 340 00:14:40,792 --> 00:14:41,793 and the phone rings. 341 00:14:44,361 --> 00:14:45,666 Hello? 342 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:48,234 And it's this sort of creepy voice, 343 00:14:48,278 --> 00:14:51,020 and he keeps calling her, asking her... 344 00:14:51,063 --> 00:14:53,065 Have you checked the children? 345 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:54,937 What? - That's weird. 346 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:56,982 And I feel weird listening to him say that. 347 00:14:57,026 --> 00:14:59,637 But lots of people got crank phone calls in the '70s. 348 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,856 I was actually ten and I got an obscene phone call. 349 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:03,573 At first she's like, "It's a crank caller. 350 00:15:03,597 --> 00:15:04,947 It's some guy from school." 351 00:15:04,990 --> 00:15:06,339 Like, she doesn't know who it is. 352 00:15:06,383 --> 00:15:08,385 But obviously, it's a little creepy. 353 00:15:08,428 --> 00:15:10,102 And then the more she's there 354 00:15:10,126 --> 00:15:12,824 and the more this guy calls, the creepier it gets. 355 00:15:12,867 --> 00:15:15,783 What this scene does that is so smart is, 356 00:15:15,827 --> 00:15:18,395 the way that it is filmed, it is letting you feel 357 00:15:18,438 --> 00:15:20,745 like danger is behind every corner 358 00:15:20,788 --> 00:15:23,139 without ever indicating it. 359 00:15:23,182 --> 00:15:25,445 It's using these incredibly deep shots 360 00:15:25,489 --> 00:15:27,404 as we go through these hallways, 361 00:15:27,447 --> 00:15:29,972 as we go through this foyer of this house. 362 00:15:30,015 --> 00:15:32,496 So she might be in the middle of the foyer, 363 00:15:32,539 --> 00:15:35,194 looking up the stairs or looking out a window, 364 00:15:35,238 --> 00:15:37,240 but what we're feeling behind her is 365 00:15:37,283 --> 00:15:40,025 a really dark living room with really heavy drapes 366 00:15:40,069 --> 00:15:41,176 and a bajillion different places 367 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,332 a killer could hide. 368 00:15:42,375 --> 00:15:43,613 Eventually, she gets so freaked out, 369 00:15:43,637 --> 00:15:45,291 she calls the police. 370 00:15:45,335 --> 00:15:48,381 I've been getting phone calls about every 15 minutes. 371 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:50,122 And the police don't totally take her 372 00:15:50,166 --> 00:15:51,515 seriously at first. 373 00:15:51,558 --> 00:15:52,622 At some point they're like, "You know what? 374 00:15:52,646 --> 00:15:54,170 "We'll trace the call for you. 375 00:15:54,213 --> 00:15:56,191 So the next time he calls, just keep him on the line." 376 00:15:56,215 --> 00:15:58,565 It's me. - Can you see me? 377 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,047 Yes. 378 00:16:02,091 --> 00:16:05,050 That voyeurism is a huge part of horror. 379 00:16:05,094 --> 00:16:07,139 It's the idea that we don't know 380 00:16:07,183 --> 00:16:08,488 when we're being watched. 381 00:16:08,532 --> 00:16:09,857 She's like, "Fine. You know what? 382 00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:12,057 "You scared me. You did it. You scared me. 383 00:16:12,101 --> 00:16:13,904 Is that what-- was that what you wanted to do?" 384 00:16:13,928 --> 00:16:16,018 And he says no, and she's like, "What do you want?" 385 00:16:16,061 --> 00:16:17,671 And he says... 386 00:16:17,715 --> 00:16:21,153 Your blood... 387 00:16:21,197 --> 00:16:23,590 all over me. 388 00:16:23,634 --> 00:16:26,245 And it is said so plain as day 389 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:28,813 but just so terrifying. 390 00:16:28,856 --> 00:16:31,555 It sends chills when you hear it in the film. 391 00:16:31,598 --> 00:16:34,079 The way the sound is done is so brilliant, 392 00:16:34,123 --> 00:16:36,168 watching it now that I make movies. 393 00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:37,604 His voice is very present, 394 00:16:37,648 --> 00:16:39,476 so you feel like he's right there. 395 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:43,088 Your blood... 396 00:16:43,132 --> 00:16:45,090 all over me. 397 00:16:45,134 --> 00:16:47,092 Come to find out, he is right there. 398 00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:49,094 He's upstairs with the children. 399 00:16:49,138 --> 00:16:50,748 Because the next thing that happens is, 400 00:16:50,791 --> 00:16:53,533 she hangs up the phone, the police call her back, 401 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:55,579 and they say... - We've traced the call, 402 00:16:55,622 --> 00:16:57,537 and it's coming from inside the house. 403 00:16:57,581 --> 00:16:59,626 So this whole time, she's actually been 404 00:16:59,670 --> 00:17:02,368 in the house with this person who's terrorizing her. 405 00:17:02,412 --> 00:17:05,763 She's even more unsafe than we thought she was. 406 00:17:05,805 --> 00:17:07,939 And it's a chilling, chilling moment. 407 00:17:07,982 --> 00:17:09,593 She runs to the door 408 00:17:09,636 --> 00:17:11,005 and the door upstairs starts to creak open, 409 00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:12,465 and she can't get the door unlocked, 410 00:17:12,508 --> 00:17:13,963 and it's just this great horror movie scene 411 00:17:13,987 --> 00:17:15,096 where she's trying to escape now that she knows 412 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:16,339 that she's been in danger 413 00:17:16,382 --> 00:17:18,602 for 20-some odd minutes of this movie. 414 00:17:18,645 --> 00:17:20,995 It gets this kind of crescendo of fear, 415 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:23,171 that every time I watch it-- 416 00:17:23,215 --> 00:17:25,130 and I've seen this film several times now-- 417 00:17:25,174 --> 00:17:27,611 I never stop feeling tense 418 00:17:27,654 --> 00:17:30,004 even though I know exactly what's happening in that scene. 419 00:17:30,048 --> 00:17:32,485 To be honest, the rest of the movie 420 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:34,835 is kind of a slog to get through. 421 00:17:34,879 --> 00:17:36,968 But that first 20 minutes-- 422 00:17:37,011 --> 00:17:41,059 that cold open is next-level tension. 423 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:43,975 Why haven't you checked the children? 424 00:17:57,902 --> 00:18:00,818 You can suck it. Suck it. - Listen, you pervert. 425 00:18:00,861 --> 00:18:02,230 Why don't you go over to Lambda Chi? 426 00:18:02,254 --> 00:18:03,449 They could use a little of this. 427 00:18:03,473 --> 00:18:05,562 You big cunt. 428 00:18:05,605 --> 00:18:07,868 You fucking creep. 429 00:18:07,912 --> 00:18:10,175 I'm going to kill you. 430 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:14,919 Bob Clark is fascinating to me 431 00:18:14,962 --> 00:18:16,616 He made the two best Christmas movies 432 00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:18,183 of all time, I'd argue. 433 00:18:18,227 --> 00:18:19,880 "A Christmas Story," which you can watch 434 00:18:19,924 --> 00:18:22,274 with your family and get all warm and fuzzy about. 435 00:18:22,318 --> 00:18:24,189 And then after everyone else has gone to bed, 436 00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:26,757 you and your more sort of depraved relatives or friends 437 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,411 can watch "Black Christmas," which is 438 00:18:28,454 --> 00:18:30,326 the scariest Christmas movie ever made. 439 00:18:30,369 --> 00:18:33,372 I was a kid when I saw it, and it's just fantastic. 440 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,244 But the thing that I will always remember 441 00:18:35,287 --> 00:18:38,725 was the amazing killer's POV stuff, 442 00:18:38,769 --> 00:18:40,727 which boggled my mind. 443 00:18:40,771 --> 00:18:43,904 It was a handheld fish-eye lens, 444 00:18:43,948 --> 00:18:47,256 and you're watching him or her-- I assume it's a him, 445 00:18:47,299 --> 00:18:49,823 'cause you never find out for sure-- 446 00:18:49,867 --> 00:18:51,477 kind of wandering around watching people. 447 00:18:51,521 --> 00:18:53,827 And he climbs a ladder at some point. 448 00:18:53,871 --> 00:18:55,481 And the thing that really cements it 449 00:18:55,525 --> 00:18:57,831 is the terrifying breathing. 450 00:19:01,966 --> 00:19:03,489 He's got this horrible phlegmy... 451 00:19:11,584 --> 00:19:13,258 I don't know if it's a residual from my childhood, 452 00:19:13,282 --> 00:19:16,372 but I watch it today and it still freaks me out. 453 00:19:16,415 --> 00:19:18,548 One of the first on-camera kills that we see 454 00:19:18,591 --> 00:19:21,855 is sorority girl Clare. 455 00:19:21,899 --> 00:19:22,963 She's packing up, getting ready 456 00:19:22,987 --> 00:19:24,467 to go home for Christmas. 457 00:19:24,510 --> 00:19:26,096 Her dad's gonna pick her up the next day. 458 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:28,819 And the sorority house is thinning out slowly 459 00:19:28,862 --> 00:19:31,256 as everybody's leaving for the holidays. 460 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,923 Who is that? Who is it? 461 00:19:57,239 --> 00:20:01,068 And she is killed in her closet... 462 00:20:04,028 --> 00:20:06,987 With a piece of that plastic 463 00:20:07,031 --> 00:20:09,251 that you put over, like, your dry-cleaning. 464 00:20:09,294 --> 00:20:12,036 And you see her face, like... 465 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:14,734 Like, you can feel the suffocation happening. 466 00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,346 And she dies with wide eyes 467 00:20:17,389 --> 00:20:19,870 and her mouth in the... position. 468 00:20:19,913 --> 00:20:22,612 And that's how she stays for the whole movie. 469 00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,483 And the next time you see her corpse, 470 00:20:24,527 --> 00:20:27,094 she's in a rocking chair in the attic, 471 00:20:27,138 --> 00:20:28,748 right by the window, 472 00:20:28,792 --> 00:20:31,055 with her face like that and the plastic still on it. 473 00:20:32,752 --> 00:20:35,886 It's just a shocking image. 474 00:20:35,929 --> 00:20:37,931 Plus, I'm claustrophobic. 475 00:20:37,975 --> 00:20:40,282 And the idea of not being able to breathe 476 00:20:40,325 --> 00:20:42,240 is incredibly powerful. 477 00:20:45,374 --> 00:20:47,593 And then we get introduced to the victim's father 478 00:20:47,637 --> 00:20:49,203 just two or three scenes later. 479 00:20:49,247 --> 00:20:50,398 You see, I was supposed to meet 480 00:20:50,422 --> 00:20:52,163 my daughter here at 1:00. 481 00:20:52,206 --> 00:20:56,254 It's half past now, and she's still not here. 482 00:20:56,298 --> 00:20:58,038 Her name's Clare Harrison. Do you know her? 483 00:20:58,082 --> 00:20:59,910 And he's a very tragic, 484 00:20:59,953 --> 00:21:01,694 very likeable character... 485 00:21:01,738 --> 00:21:03,957 I feel I should be doing something, 486 00:21:04,001 --> 00:21:05,350 but I don't know what. 487 00:21:05,394 --> 00:21:07,874 That you feel a lot for while you're watching it 488 00:21:07,918 --> 00:21:10,050 because you know she's dead. 489 00:21:10,094 --> 00:21:12,314 But he doesn't know it and he wants to find her. 490 00:21:12,357 --> 00:21:13,726 And even at the very end of the film, 491 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:14,901 they still haven't found her body. 492 00:21:14,925 --> 00:21:16,230 It's still upstairs. 493 00:21:17,841 --> 00:21:19,166 It's haunting 'cause she's watching everything 494 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:20,974 almost as it's happening. 495 00:21:21,018 --> 00:21:23,412 She's kind of, like, this sort of specter. 496 00:21:23,455 --> 00:21:24,935 I love when they show things like that 497 00:21:24,978 --> 00:21:27,329 because a lot of times when you watch slasher movies, 498 00:21:27,372 --> 00:21:29,132 somebody dies and they're almost like an afterthought. 499 00:21:29,156 --> 00:21:30,636 They're forgotten about. 500 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,464 But she stays throughout the film. 501 00:21:32,508 --> 00:21:34,205 And I think that's really important 502 00:21:34,248 --> 00:21:35,530 that we're constantly reminded of this horrible thing 503 00:21:35,554 --> 00:21:37,077 that happened at the beginning 504 00:21:37,121 --> 00:21:38,361 to trigger all of these events. 505 00:21:47,436 --> 00:21:49,089 Creatures? 506 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,917 Jake, New York is filled with creatures. 507 00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:52,702 They're like demons. 508 00:21:52,745 --> 00:21:54,399 They're trying to kill me. 509 00:21:59,752 --> 00:22:02,233 The absolute best scene in "Jacob's Ladder," 510 00:22:02,276 --> 00:22:03,495 and there are a bunch, 511 00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:07,281 but that dance scene is just terrifying. 512 00:22:07,325 --> 00:22:09,893 One of the most horrific, 513 00:22:09,936 --> 00:22:14,158 enticingly, beautifully constructed horror things, 514 00:22:14,201 --> 00:22:15,396 I think, in the history of horror, right? 515 00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:16,943 And it's all about setup. 516 00:22:16,987 --> 00:22:18,443 It's all about setup. 517 00:22:21,513 --> 00:22:25,387 Jacob is a Vietnam vet. 518 00:22:26,866 --> 00:22:28,825 And he had a rough time. 519 00:22:28,868 --> 00:22:30,455 He's trying to get his life back together. 520 00:22:30,479 --> 00:22:32,524 He's trying to get through 521 00:22:32,568 --> 00:22:35,527 all of the things that he's seen. 522 00:22:35,571 --> 00:22:37,094 He can't quite get himself together. 523 00:22:37,137 --> 00:22:39,052 Medic! 524 00:22:42,491 --> 00:22:44,754 It's Elizabeth Peña and Tim Robbins, 525 00:22:44,797 --> 00:22:46,799 and they're at this gathering, this party. 526 00:22:46,843 --> 00:22:50,237 And there's a woman on the steps, 527 00:22:50,281 --> 00:22:52,544 this Black woman who's kind of, like, 528 00:22:52,588 --> 00:22:54,087 presenting herself as kind of a fortune teller 529 00:22:54,111 --> 00:22:56,200 to a certain degree. 530 00:22:56,243 --> 00:22:57,723 You have a very strange line. 531 00:22:59,508 --> 00:23:01,292 No, it's not funny. 532 00:23:01,335 --> 00:23:04,556 See, according to this, you're already dead. 533 00:23:07,124 --> 00:23:09,561 Get out of here, baby. - And he's laughing it out. 534 00:23:09,605 --> 00:23:11,365 And she's still, like, really, really flirting with him... 535 00:23:11,389 --> 00:23:12,695 Hey, Jake. 536 00:23:12,738 --> 00:23:14,436 Come on, baby. Come on and dance with me. 537 00:23:14,479 --> 00:23:16,046 Just one. 538 00:23:16,089 --> 00:23:18,570 Just give me your blue eyes before you go. 539 00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:20,156 Which is really off-putting, actually. 540 00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:21,747 It's like, she's flirting with him, 541 00:23:21,791 --> 00:23:23,551 but the thought of it's like, "I want your eyes." 542 00:23:23,575 --> 00:23:24,726 You know, the eyes are the window to the soul. 543 00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:26,317 It's a very strange thing to say. 544 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:28,885 And then he goes off to do white boy dancing. 545 00:23:28,928 --> 00:23:30,408 And he's terrible at it, you know, 546 00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:32,236 so he kind of backs off as most of us do. 547 00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:35,587 And then he just becomes an observer. 548 00:23:35,631 --> 00:23:37,110 But when he becomes the observer, 549 00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:38,982 that's when he starts seeing gnarly stuff. 550 00:23:39,025 --> 00:23:40,723 And that's when "Jacob's Ladder" starts 551 00:23:40,766 --> 00:23:42,464 kind of breaking down the walls 552 00:23:42,507 --> 00:23:44,553 of what you've seen in horror movies. 553 00:23:45,423 --> 00:23:46,879 And he just doesn't know what to do. 554 00:23:46,903 --> 00:23:48,470 He's trying to be okay. 555 00:23:48,513 --> 00:23:49,969 And the James Brown music is getting louder. 556 00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:51,734 It's getting louder. 557 00:23:51,777 --> 00:23:54,040 His woman is just dancing, you know, deeper and deeper. 558 00:23:55,694 --> 00:23:58,001 And so you have this really great song, 559 00:23:58,044 --> 00:23:59,892 "My Thang," playing-- of course, the thing is, like, 560 00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:03,310 this phallic creature... demon man. 561 00:24:03,354 --> 00:24:04,921 You know, and she's enjoying it. 562 00:24:04,964 --> 00:24:06,618 And then she's taking off her garter belt. 563 00:24:06,662 --> 00:24:08,702 And you can't look away. It's actually very sensual. 564 00:24:10,361 --> 00:24:12,755 The filmmaker, Adrian Lyne, was really smart 565 00:24:12,798 --> 00:24:15,366 in that you never get a complete picture. 566 00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:17,629 It's always you're watching all this fast cutting 567 00:24:17,673 --> 00:24:19,631 and, "Wait, did that thing have a tentacle?" 568 00:24:19,675 --> 00:24:23,026 But it's gone before you ever even really know what you saw. 569 00:24:23,069 --> 00:24:24,723 And then, of course, she's penetrated 570 00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:27,683 all the way up to her mouth by this phallic thing 571 00:24:29,467 --> 00:24:31,164 And Tim Robbins, he just freaks out. 572 00:24:31,208 --> 00:24:32,949 Of course-- of course you would. 573 00:24:32,992 --> 00:24:35,386 There is just so much at work in this scene. 574 00:24:35,429 --> 00:24:38,781 And it's so fast, but it's one that you carry with you. 575 00:24:38,824 --> 00:24:40,565 Every time something happens, 576 00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:43,176 he just gets more and more back to this thing, 577 00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:44,917 whatever happened to him in 'Nam. 578 00:24:44,961 --> 00:24:46,876 Jesus, look at that. His guts are hanging out. 579 00:24:46,919 --> 00:24:48,268 That blew me away. 580 00:24:48,312 --> 00:24:49,724 'Cause you really don't know what's going on 581 00:24:49,748 --> 00:24:51,445 until the end. 582 00:24:51,489 --> 00:24:53,883 And I related to him 'cause he was a Vietnam vet, 583 00:24:53,926 --> 00:24:56,059 you know, and all that was happening to him. 584 00:24:56,102 --> 00:24:58,540 When I got back from Vietnam, I was a zombie. 585 00:24:58,583 --> 00:25:00,585 I was an emotionless person 586 00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:02,848 for two years after I got back. 587 00:25:02,892 --> 00:25:04,546 'Cause, you know, when you're in Vietnam, 588 00:25:04,589 --> 00:25:06,025 you gotta turn your emotions off, 589 00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:08,811 or you'll-- a lot of guys did go nuts. 590 00:25:08,854 --> 00:25:11,378 I think PTSD, that's the whole idea. 591 00:25:11,422 --> 00:25:13,598 Guys who couldn't turn their emotions off. 592 00:25:13,642 --> 00:25:16,253 I don't know who they are or what they are. 593 00:25:16,296 --> 00:25:18,516 But they're gonna get me, and I'm scared, Jake. 594 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,431 I've seen them too. 595 00:25:27,481 --> 00:25:29,440 This time, they are playing 596 00:25:29,483 --> 00:25:31,834 with the destruction of life as we know it 597 00:25:31,877 --> 00:25:35,185 and, at worst, total annihilation. 598 00:25:36,795 --> 00:25:39,232 You cannot win a nuclear war. 599 00:25:41,278 --> 00:25:43,118 "Threads" was a British television production 600 00:25:43,149 --> 00:25:44,629 written by Barry Hines, 601 00:25:44,673 --> 00:25:47,371 directed by Mick Jackson in 1984. 602 00:25:47,414 --> 00:25:49,242 And it's been called the most devastating 603 00:25:49,286 --> 00:25:51,418 piece of television ever produced. 604 00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:52,787 All the people here will be dead already. 605 00:25:52,811 --> 00:25:53,986 It's completely flattened. 606 00:25:54,030 --> 00:25:57,120 The premise of "Threads" is, 607 00:25:57,163 --> 00:26:00,906 what would happen if there was a nuclear attack on Britain? 608 00:26:01,864 --> 00:26:06,303 In 1984, the U.S. and the USSR between them had 609 00:26:06,346 --> 00:26:08,479 60,000 nuclear weapons, 610 00:26:08,522 --> 00:26:13,092 which is about 59,500 more nuclear weapons 611 00:26:13,136 --> 00:26:15,486 than you'd need to wipe out the planet. 612 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:20,447 The most widespread danger is fallout. 613 00:26:20,491 --> 00:26:22,362 It was at a time when kind of, like, 614 00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:26,410 the threat of nuclear war was very much in the air. 615 00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:29,195 Not like it is-- isn't now. 616 00:26:30,893 --> 00:26:32,285 "Threads" is shot just like 617 00:26:32,329 --> 00:26:34,461 a British documentary of the time... 618 00:26:37,421 --> 00:26:39,031 Where you're just following 619 00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:40,995 two working-class families in Sheffield, England, 620 00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:43,688 which is a industrial town in the north. 621 00:26:51,914 --> 00:26:54,090 And the bit that really struck me 622 00:26:54,133 --> 00:26:57,049 is when Jimmy, played by Reece Dinsdale, 623 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,095 in the outbreak of the missile attack 624 00:26:59,138 --> 00:27:00,662 is running from the pub... 625 00:27:05,014 --> 00:27:08,234 And then he is dead and you never see him again. 626 00:27:10,410 --> 00:27:13,109 And so Reece Dinsdale, who is a famous actor, 627 00:27:13,152 --> 00:27:14,763 or certainly, like, a notable actor-- 628 00:27:14,806 --> 00:27:16,784 it's almost like the Janet Leigh thing in "Psycho." 629 00:27:16,808 --> 00:27:18,525 It's like, "Here's your lead, Reece Dinsdale. 630 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:19,724 No, he's dead." 631 00:27:19,768 --> 00:27:21,508 He's not in the second hour at all. 632 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:22,771 And with Jimmy dead-- 633 00:27:22,814 --> 00:27:24,947 But you don't know-- - He is. He is. 634 00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:26,470 I know he is. 635 00:27:28,037 --> 00:27:30,387 And the idea that he, like, is gone in a cut 636 00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:32,824 is such a perfect dramatization 637 00:27:32,868 --> 00:27:35,261 of the idea that in a nuclear attack, 638 00:27:35,305 --> 00:27:36,959 like, all of your loved ones 639 00:27:37,002 --> 00:27:38,395 are gonna be gone in an instant. 640 00:27:44,357 --> 00:27:47,665 And that is, like, brutally effective in that. 641 00:27:49,406 --> 00:27:50,886 The one person who kind of manages 642 00:27:50,929 --> 00:27:54,063 to survive is the mother. 643 00:27:54,106 --> 00:27:57,327 And by the end of it, it's 13 years later, 644 00:27:57,370 --> 00:28:01,026 and civilization is basically almost barbaric. 645 00:28:01,070 --> 00:28:03,004 There still is a government, but essentially all it does 646 00:28:03,028 --> 00:28:05,509 is just have people working 647 00:28:05,552 --> 00:28:08,164 as kind of indentured servants making grain. 648 00:28:11,515 --> 00:28:13,778 Near the end when they start flashing 649 00:28:13,822 --> 00:28:15,780 forward in time a lot faster, 650 00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:19,218 interspersed by what seem like real shots 651 00:28:19,262 --> 00:28:22,569 of holocaust survivors... 652 00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:26,486 Is really disturbing. 653 00:28:29,707 --> 00:28:34,364 And then climaxing in the daughter having a baby, 654 00:28:34,407 --> 00:28:36,105 seemingly through a rape, 655 00:28:36,148 --> 00:28:38,716 and seeing her reaction to her baby's face. 656 00:28:54,732 --> 00:28:57,648 The final shot in "Threads" is, whoa. 657 00:28:57,691 --> 00:29:00,042 When the baby's born and it just ends 658 00:29:00,085 --> 00:29:01,652 on her looking at it 659 00:29:01,695 --> 00:29:03,219 and the look of horror on her face 660 00:29:03,262 --> 00:29:05,264 and then cut to black, 661 00:29:05,308 --> 00:29:07,701 that is, you know, one of the most unsettling 662 00:29:07,745 --> 00:29:09,747 endings of anything I've ever seen. 663 00:29:12,794 --> 00:29:15,535 You're left with no closure. 664 00:29:15,579 --> 00:29:17,189 There's no happy ending. 665 00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:18,930 And it's brutal. 666 00:29:18,974 --> 00:29:22,238 So I'm not surprised that it gave people nightmares. 667 00:29:29,332 --> 00:29:32,988 Hello, Karen. - Eddie, I saw you die. 668 00:29:33,031 --> 00:29:35,120 Well, here I am, Karen. Look at me. 669 00:29:49,439 --> 00:29:51,833 I was making a movie called "Jaws 3, People 0" 670 00:29:51,876 --> 00:29:53,269 at Universal that got cancelled. 671 00:29:53,312 --> 00:29:56,054 And I had a chance to jump onto this werewolf movie 672 00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:58,013 that was being made at Avco Embassy. 673 00:29:58,056 --> 00:29:59,884 The studio was worried that werewolves were 674 00:29:59,928 --> 00:30:02,887 kind of old hat, and so we decided to make 675 00:30:02,931 --> 00:30:04,865 the beginning of the movie look like a slasher movie 676 00:30:04,889 --> 00:30:06,562 because they had been having a lot of success 677 00:30:06,586 --> 00:30:08,414 with slasher movies around that time. 678 00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:09,981 And that worked because the audience-- 679 00:30:10,025 --> 00:30:11,287 once we sucked the audience 680 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:12,984 into the story with the characters, 681 00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:14,856 then when we introduced the werewolf angle, 682 00:30:14,899 --> 00:30:16,118 it went down smoothly. 683 00:30:16,161 --> 00:30:18,207 "The Howling"... 684 00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,054 You know, it's such a-- it's such a great film. 685 00:30:20,078 --> 00:30:22,602 And there are so many wonderful scares in it too, 686 00:30:22,646 --> 00:30:24,213 from that opening scene 687 00:30:24,256 --> 00:30:26,215 when Dee Wallace is in the porn booth 688 00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:28,695 and you see the guy is lit from behind 689 00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:30,175 and absolutely terrifying, 690 00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:33,570 and you get why it traumatizes her, 691 00:30:33,613 --> 00:30:36,181 to Robert Picardo's transformation on camera, 692 00:30:36,225 --> 00:30:38,009 which was, I still think, 693 00:30:38,053 --> 00:30:39,769 the greatest werewolf transformation I've ever seen. 694 00:30:39,793 --> 00:30:41,708 It's beautifully shot and edited. 695 00:30:41,752 --> 00:30:44,711 The effects are incredible. The performance is great. 696 00:30:44,755 --> 00:30:46,931 For me, the biggest jump in the movie, for all that, 697 00:30:46,975 --> 00:30:48,933 is this tiny, tiny shot. 698 00:30:48,977 --> 00:30:50,780 And it's that scene when Terry is running through the woods. 699 00:30:50,804 --> 00:30:51,805 She's being chased. 700 00:30:51,849 --> 00:30:53,503 And Joe Dante shoots it-- 701 00:30:53,546 --> 00:30:55,679 at first, it almost feels like a fairy tale. 702 00:30:57,724 --> 00:31:00,989 Joe, in particular, will set up fear 703 00:31:01,032 --> 00:31:02,991 by throwing you off guard 704 00:31:03,034 --> 00:31:04,514 much in the way Hitchcock would do, 705 00:31:04,557 --> 00:31:06,646 by doing something funny to distract you. 706 00:31:09,258 --> 00:31:11,173 And then slap you in the face with a shock-- 707 00:31:11,216 --> 00:31:12,696 with something scary. 708 00:31:12,739 --> 00:31:14,567 One of the greatest scares I've ever seen. 709 00:31:14,611 --> 00:31:16,787 She finds a file cabinet and she starts going 710 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:18,373 through these files, and she's like, "" 711 00:31:18,397 --> 00:31:19,984 and she finds one she wants and she keeps going, 712 00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:22,053 and she's holding the one here. 713 00:31:22,097 --> 00:31:24,534 It's 81st... 714 00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:31,236 And it just snarls and smacks her, 715 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,151 and she goes flying out of frame. 716 00:31:35,762 --> 00:31:38,983 To me, that moment, it took my breath away. 717 00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:40,767 The werewolves we had always seen was 718 00:31:40,811 --> 00:31:43,248 Lon Cheney or Oliver Reed or Henry Hull. 719 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:44,989 It was-- that was a werewolf. 720 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:49,298 We had never really, really seen anything like that. 721 00:31:49,341 --> 00:31:52,083 And the design was so unique. 722 00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:55,391 And the fact that the face was sculpted 723 00:31:55,434 --> 00:31:56,783 in such an extreme expression, 724 00:31:56,827 --> 00:31:58,220 and in the way the hair was styled 725 00:31:58,263 --> 00:31:59,961 and the ears were big and-- 726 00:32:00,004 --> 00:32:01,919 it just felt feral. 727 00:32:01,963 --> 00:32:04,356 And it was just absolutely terrifying. 728 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,923 That was a big scare. 729 00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:08,230 And when I went to the Loew's Theater 730 00:32:08,273 --> 00:32:09,796 in New York for the premiere, 731 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,234 they had-- it was running upstairs and downstairs. 732 00:32:12,277 --> 00:32:13,844 And when I saw 733 00:32:13,887 --> 00:32:15,802 what a big reaction that was downstairs, 734 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:18,153 I ran upstairs 'cause it was a little further behind, 735 00:32:18,196 --> 00:32:20,024 and exactly the same reaction. 736 00:32:20,068 --> 00:32:21,634 It was like, "Well, okay this is-- 737 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:23,549 "this is something that I can do. 738 00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:24,962 "This is something I know how to do. 739 00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:26,378 And it's something I enjoy." 740 00:32:26,422 --> 00:32:28,554 So it obviously led to more horror movies. 741 00:32:56,104 --> 00:32:58,628 "Gerald's Game" is a film by Mike Flanagan. 742 00:32:58,671 --> 00:33:00,064 This was from a Stephen King book 743 00:33:00,108 --> 00:33:01,911 that a lot of people thought would be unfilmable. 744 00:33:01,935 --> 00:33:03,720 And if you read it, you probably know why. 745 00:33:03,763 --> 00:33:05,002 So if you think you've seen everything as a horror fan, 746 00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:06,810 I guarantee you "Gerald's Game" gives you 747 00:33:06,853 --> 00:33:08,135 something you haven't seen before. 748 00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:09,702 This couple goes away for the weekend. 749 00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:11,945 And they've been married for a long time 750 00:33:11,989 --> 00:33:13,730 and they have some problems 751 00:33:13,773 --> 00:33:16,080 and they're middle-aged and their kids are grown 752 00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:18,778 and they're trying to revitalize their marriage. 753 00:33:18,822 --> 00:33:20,476 Things start getting a little kinky 754 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,130 and he handcuffs her to the bed. 755 00:33:24,697 --> 00:33:27,483 And then proceeds to have a heart attack and die... 756 00:33:29,441 --> 00:33:31,313 Leaving her handcuffed to the bed. 757 00:33:31,356 --> 00:33:35,360 And the movie is about her next three days 758 00:33:35,404 --> 00:33:38,885 of slowly losing her mind tied to this bed. 759 00:33:38,929 --> 00:33:40,341 The whole book is about, how is she gonna escape 760 00:33:40,365 --> 00:33:41,540 from these handcuffs? 761 00:33:41,584 --> 00:33:42,865 How is she gonna get out of there? 762 00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:44,717 And the book begins to describe 763 00:33:44,761 --> 00:33:46,458 her last desperate effort 764 00:33:46,502 --> 00:33:48,069 to free her hand from the cuffs. 765 00:33:48,112 --> 00:33:50,941 We're dealing with her past and abuse 766 00:33:50,984 --> 00:33:55,032 and all this tapestry of toxic masculinity 767 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:58,905 and victimization and strength and triumph 768 00:33:58,949 --> 00:34:00,690 and healing and all of it comes down 769 00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:02,909 into what is going to be 770 00:34:02,953 --> 00:34:06,217 a really disgusting scene visually 771 00:34:06,261 --> 00:34:09,829 that functions metaphorically, that works for her character, 772 00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:12,483 that shows the price of healing, 773 00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:14,050 but also just shows a hand 774 00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:16,706 being just absolutely shredded apart. 775 00:34:16,749 --> 00:34:18,795 The only way she can get out of the handcuff 776 00:34:18,838 --> 00:34:21,579 is to deglove her own hand. 777 00:34:21,624 --> 00:34:23,059 So for those of you that don't know, 778 00:34:23,104 --> 00:34:25,845 degloving is when the skin 779 00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:28,021 comes off of your hand completely 780 00:34:28,065 --> 00:34:31,112 and you're just, like, bones and muscle. 781 00:34:31,155 --> 00:34:33,679 And this poor woman has to reach up 782 00:34:33,722 --> 00:34:35,162 and slice the skin around her hand... 783 00:34:36,987 --> 00:34:39,423 And then as she pulls it through the handcuff, 784 00:34:39,468 --> 00:34:41,599 the skin just kind of-- you just see 785 00:34:41,644 --> 00:34:44,255 the skin coming right off like a glove. 786 00:34:44,298 --> 00:34:46,561 And she can finally pull her hand out. 787 00:34:50,173 --> 00:34:51,740 Very difficult to watch. 788 00:34:51,784 --> 00:34:53,351 And it really looks painful. 789 00:34:53,394 --> 00:34:55,701 I mean, the FX makeup on that is fantastic 790 00:34:55,745 --> 00:34:58,226 and super gross. 791 00:34:58,269 --> 00:35:01,185 Bob Kurtzman designed the prosthetic effect. 792 00:35:01,229 --> 00:35:03,144 Bob's prosthetic looked so good, 793 00:35:03,187 --> 00:35:04,971 it did the work for us. 794 00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:07,017 And then Carla sold it. 795 00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:09,541 And that's no small feat. 796 00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:11,195 The hand is horrible to look at. 797 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,501 But if you look at the edit, 798 00:35:12,544 --> 00:35:14,024 I spend way more time on Carla 799 00:35:14,067 --> 00:35:15,067 than I do on the hand. 800 00:35:16,287 --> 00:35:19,725 I went to Austin for the film's premiere. 801 00:35:19,769 --> 00:35:22,206 I had never in my career experienced 802 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:24,208 what I experienced in that theater 803 00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:25,601 when that scene played. 804 00:35:25,644 --> 00:35:27,907 The noises people were making. 805 00:35:27,951 --> 00:35:29,257 People were diving out of chairs, 806 00:35:29,300 --> 00:35:30,736 twisting around. 807 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:32,105 There was a journalist who was sitting 808 00:35:32,129 --> 00:35:35,045 in the row in front of me who fainted during it. 809 00:35:35,088 --> 00:35:38,483 And it remains to this day the most visceral reaction 810 00:35:38,527 --> 00:35:40,877 I've ever-- ever seen in an audience 811 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,270 from anything that I've worked on. 812 00:35:51,366 --> 00:35:54,064 You're gonna be just fine. 813 00:35:54,107 --> 00:35:56,936 I'll take good care of you. 814 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:58,460 I'm your number one fan. 815 00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:05,510 "Misery", I'm still convinced today that it's 816 00:36:05,554 --> 00:36:08,209 one of Stephen King's best adaptations to screen. 817 00:36:08,252 --> 00:36:11,386 It's literally the example of minimal concept, 818 00:36:11,429 --> 00:36:12,561 maximum tension. 819 00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,258 It's exactly that. 820 00:36:14,302 --> 00:36:15,453 I think the majority of the film is 821 00:36:15,477 --> 00:36:17,522 just two actors, one location. 822 00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:19,916 That's all you needed. 823 00:36:19,959 --> 00:36:23,267 With really good story, really good acting, 824 00:36:23,311 --> 00:36:24,964 you're in for a wild ride. 825 00:36:25,008 --> 00:36:26,551 I just have to talk about Kathy Bates for a second 826 00:36:26,575 --> 00:36:28,117 'cause I think she's so brilliant in that movie. 827 00:36:28,141 --> 00:36:29,273 Bad women are my favorite. 828 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:32,058 I love a woman behaving badly. 829 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:34,278 She's complicated. On one side, you know, 830 00:36:34,322 --> 00:36:37,107 giddy fangirl who actually is a fan of his work. 831 00:36:37,150 --> 00:36:38,761 But then on the other side, 832 00:36:38,804 --> 00:36:40,937 she's keeping this guy in jail, basically, 833 00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:42,504 in her house. 834 00:36:42,547 --> 00:36:44,027 I call her an evil prison warden. 835 00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:45,942 But that scene when she breaks his ankles-- 836 00:36:45,985 --> 00:36:47,552 ooh, honey, please! 837 00:36:47,596 --> 00:36:49,641 I think the editing 838 00:36:49,685 --> 00:36:53,297 and just shots that the DP and the director put together 839 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:55,647 to me is what makes that scene specifically 840 00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:58,563 really special and really memorable. 841 00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:01,349 Everything that is shot on Kathy Bates' face 842 00:37:01,392 --> 00:37:02,437 is a close-up. 843 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,700 Every single time, a close-up 844 00:37:04,743 --> 00:37:07,529 for her to show you, the audience, 845 00:37:07,572 --> 00:37:09,748 what she knows more than you do. 846 00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:10,836 I know you've been out. 847 00:37:12,447 --> 00:37:13,883 No, I haven't. 848 00:37:13,926 --> 00:37:15,319 Next close-up. 849 00:37:17,234 --> 00:37:19,236 Is this what you're looking for? 850 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,934 And the next close-up. - I found your key. 851 00:37:21,978 --> 00:37:23,284 I'm like, "Okay, Kathy Bates, 852 00:37:23,327 --> 00:37:24,783 what else are you gonna prove me wrong now?" 853 00:37:24,807 --> 00:37:28,158 It's like she is so ahead every single time 854 00:37:28,201 --> 00:37:31,030 and just so controlling. 855 00:37:31,074 --> 00:37:34,120 That's really scary when you got nowhere to go. 856 00:37:34,164 --> 00:37:37,167 Tied up. Drugged. What else can she do to you? 857 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,561 He doesn't know exactly what's gonna happen 858 00:37:39,604 --> 00:37:42,346 until she takes this block of wood 859 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:43,956 and puts it between his ankles. 860 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,176 And he doesn't know what's going on. 861 00:37:46,219 --> 00:37:48,309 And she can't wait to do this. 862 00:37:48,352 --> 00:37:50,485 And she doesn't just tap it. 863 00:37:50,528 --> 00:37:52,617 She's just like, you know, 864 00:37:52,661 --> 00:37:55,228 getting ready to hit a home run. 865 00:37:56,404 --> 00:37:58,928 When Annie swings that hammer 866 00:37:58,971 --> 00:38:02,845 and you feel it connect to the board and the bone 867 00:38:02,888 --> 00:38:04,629 and you hear the sound-- 868 00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:07,328 and the combination of editing and sound design 869 00:38:07,371 --> 00:38:11,201 and script and performance, your ankles feel it 870 00:38:11,244 --> 00:38:13,290 before your brain catches up. 871 00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:16,554 It is perfectly executed physical horror. 872 00:38:16,598 --> 00:38:18,295 It stays with you because everything was 873 00:38:18,339 --> 00:38:20,558 close-up, close-up, close-up, close-up 874 00:38:20,602 --> 00:38:23,213 until it goes to a wide just to see the foot do this. 875 00:38:24,954 --> 00:38:26,782 That was it. Just a bang. 876 00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:30,089 I can't handle it. 877 00:38:32,875 --> 00:38:34,746 God, I love you. 878 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,314 We cast his legs from the knee down 879 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:40,883 and made gelatin legs with punched hair. 880 00:38:40,926 --> 00:38:42,624 And then we put holes in the bed, 881 00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:44,515 and his real legs went through the holes in the bed. 882 00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:46,932 We could have made a rubber sledgehammer 883 00:38:46,976 --> 00:38:48,369 that was lightweight, 884 00:38:48,412 --> 00:38:50,980 and you could have left his real legs up there 885 00:38:51,023 --> 00:38:54,200 and swung the rubber sledgehammer down. 886 00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:56,768 But when we talked with Rob Reiner about it, 887 00:38:56,812 --> 00:38:59,423 we wanted the audience to see... 888 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,576 That it took her a little bit of effort 889 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,993 to raise that sledgehammer up. 890 00:39:04,036 --> 00:39:06,517 So the audience in their head 891 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:09,868 doesn't realize that from one shot to the next, 892 00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,263 we changed the real legs for fake legs 893 00:39:13,306 --> 00:39:16,222 because they're watching it as a continuous story. 894 00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:19,356 There's so much technique involved in storytelling. 895 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,489 It's not just about the effect. 896 00:39:21,532 --> 00:39:24,448 But it's about how the director and the writer 897 00:39:24,492 --> 00:39:28,757 craft that moment to manipulate and control the audience. 898 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,411 To misery. 899 00:39:30,454 --> 00:39:31,586 To misery. 900 00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:41,683 You really believe 901 00:39:41,726 --> 00:39:43,685 that you can bring life to the dead? 902 00:39:43,728 --> 00:39:44,792 You're crazy! 903 00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:47,123 Crazy, am I? 904 00:39:47,166 --> 00:39:50,126 We'll see whether I'm crazy or not. 905 00:39:50,169 --> 00:39:52,389 "Frankenstein" isn't given enough credit 906 00:39:52,433 --> 00:39:56,175 for how it really paved the way for the horror films to follow. 907 00:39:56,219 --> 00:39:57,873 The idea of playing God-- 908 00:39:57,916 --> 00:40:00,136 of piecing together a creature 909 00:40:00,179 --> 00:40:02,399 out of the parts of human bodies 910 00:40:02,443 --> 00:40:05,315 and animating it through electricity, 911 00:40:05,358 --> 00:40:08,449 so many of the great horror films to follow 912 00:40:08,492 --> 00:40:09,493 were influenced by this. 913 00:40:09,537 --> 00:40:12,496 It's alive. 914 00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:16,152 It's alive. It's alive, it's alive! 915 00:40:16,195 --> 00:40:17,588 The cinematography, 916 00:40:17,632 --> 00:40:19,590 the direction under James Whale, 917 00:40:19,634 --> 00:40:22,811 it's incredibly sophisticated pictorially and otherwise. 918 00:40:22,854 --> 00:40:24,726 Would you like one of my flowers? 919 00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,034 There's a lot going on in that movie, 920 00:40:29,078 --> 00:40:32,298 and the movie benefits from the fact 921 00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:36,128 that this was before films had soundtracks. 922 00:40:36,172 --> 00:40:38,522 This was in the early days 923 00:40:38,566 --> 00:40:41,177 when they were still figuring out sound and music 924 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:44,267 where they didn't have wall-to-wall music cues 925 00:40:44,310 --> 00:40:46,661 telling you how to feel and dictating the action. 926 00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:51,361 The first time you see Boris Karloff 927 00:40:51,404 --> 00:40:53,189 as the monster in "Frankenstein" -- 928 00:40:53,232 --> 00:40:56,061 a pretty major moment in motion picture history 929 00:40:56,105 --> 00:40:58,194 because you've been led up to believe 930 00:40:58,237 --> 00:41:00,346 that this terrible creature is coming through the door. 931 00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:01,327 But when you turn the lights out, 932 00:41:01,371 --> 00:41:02,633 the door opens 933 00:41:02,677 --> 00:41:04,002 and the creature is not facing you. 934 00:41:04,026 --> 00:41:05,462 He's facing the other way. 935 00:41:08,073 --> 00:41:09,379 He does a slow reveal. 936 00:41:09,422 --> 00:41:10,989 There's no sound at all. 937 00:41:19,171 --> 00:41:22,305 The shot holds, like, a lot longer 938 00:41:22,348 --> 00:41:25,134 than you're expecting it to hold. 939 00:41:25,177 --> 00:41:27,092 Like, you think something's gonna happen. 940 00:41:27,136 --> 00:41:30,487 Like, it's really a unique device 941 00:41:30,531 --> 00:41:32,837 for building some anticipation. 942 00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,709 And then you see it and then you hold on it 943 00:41:34,752 --> 00:41:36,101 and hold on it and hold on it. 944 00:41:36,145 --> 00:41:39,017 But it's absolute brilliant 945 00:41:39,061 --> 00:41:40,301 introduction to that character. 946 00:41:42,238 --> 00:41:44,762 Even today, it's a great makeup design 947 00:41:44,806 --> 00:41:46,721 and it looks so real. 948 00:41:46,764 --> 00:41:48,853 And the bolts and the scars. 949 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:51,334 Everyone who has a horror character 950 00:41:51,377 --> 00:41:53,031 in their movie, you try to create 951 00:41:53,075 --> 00:41:54,642 something iconic, something original, 952 00:41:54,685 --> 00:41:56,295 something new. 953 00:41:56,339 --> 00:41:59,472 But it's very rare that you get a Frankenstein's monster, 954 00:41:59,516 --> 00:42:01,257 that you get a Freddy Krueger, 955 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:03,215 that you get a Jason Voorhees 956 00:42:03,259 --> 00:42:04,695 behind a hockey mask, 957 00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,305 that you get Michael Myers 958 00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:08,438 behind a William Shatner mask. 959 00:42:08,481 --> 00:42:10,832 It's really hard to strike gold 960 00:42:10,875 --> 00:42:13,312 with something like that, and the first one to do it 961 00:42:13,356 --> 00:42:15,271 was the Frankenstein monster. 962 00:42:15,314 --> 00:42:18,579 In the name of God, now I know what it feels like 963 00:42:18,622 --> 00:42:20,232 to be God. 964 00:42:30,286 --> 00:42:31,592 Please, God. 965 00:42:31,635 --> 00:42:34,856 This... is God. 966 00:42:38,642 --> 00:42:39,924 "Nightmare on Elm Street" just has 967 00:42:39,948 --> 00:42:41,689 so many iconic moments. 968 00:42:41,732 --> 00:42:43,255 It's just like, take your pick. 969 00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:45,606 And everybody's got their favorite. 970 00:42:45,649 --> 00:42:47,695 My favorite in particular is the body bag moment 971 00:42:47,738 --> 00:42:49,194 'cause it's just such a haunting image. 972 00:42:49,218 --> 00:42:50,741 Nancy. 973 00:42:50,785 --> 00:42:52,153 Horror contends with a lot of things, 974 00:42:52,177 --> 00:42:53,396 but there are these, like, 975 00:42:53,439 --> 00:42:57,661 very grand overarching preoccupations, 976 00:42:57,705 --> 00:42:59,837 and one of them has to do with the gulf 977 00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:03,101 between what is imagined and what is real. 978 00:43:03,145 --> 00:43:04,886 And that's really 979 00:43:04,929 --> 00:43:07,671 what "Nightmare on Elm Street" is dealing with. 980 00:43:07,715 --> 00:43:12,110 What is the terror that exists when you're not really certain 981 00:43:12,154 --> 00:43:15,113 where those lines are drawn? 982 00:43:15,157 --> 00:43:18,073 And so leading up to the scene, 983 00:43:18,116 --> 00:43:21,685 we see Nancy pushing herself 984 00:43:21,729 --> 00:43:23,861 to pretend that everything is normal 985 00:43:23,905 --> 00:43:26,559 in the aftermath of this brutal murder. 986 00:43:26,603 --> 00:43:27,841 I've gotta go to school, Mother. 987 00:43:27,865 --> 00:43:29,301 Otherwise, I'll go crazy. 988 00:43:29,345 --> 00:43:32,304 Nancy is at school, and as we all know, 989 00:43:32,348 --> 00:43:33,828 high school is very boring. 990 00:43:33,871 --> 00:43:36,221 She hasn't slept and her friend has been murdered 991 00:43:36,265 --> 00:43:37,329 and she doesn't really understand 992 00:43:37,353 --> 00:43:38,354 what's going on yet. 993 00:43:38,397 --> 00:43:40,095 She's starting to fall asleep 994 00:43:40,138 --> 00:43:41,792 and the class is going on around her. 995 00:43:41,836 --> 00:43:45,274 What is seen is not always what is real. 996 00:43:45,317 --> 00:43:48,494 This line becomes super significant 997 00:43:48,538 --> 00:43:50,192 as she's about to have her first encounter 998 00:43:50,235 --> 00:43:51,672 with Freddy Krueger. 999 00:43:51,715 --> 00:43:54,718 As she falls asleep, she sees this vision 1000 00:43:54,762 --> 00:43:58,243 of her friend in the body bag, and she's reaching out. 1001 00:43:58,287 --> 00:44:00,768 She's kind of pawing at her through the body bag. 1002 00:44:00,811 --> 00:44:02,595 She goes outside in the hallway, 1003 00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:05,120 and I remember you see that body 1004 00:44:05,163 --> 00:44:06,687 and the legs go up and dragged off, 1005 00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:08,340 and I thought that was so cool. 1006 00:44:08,384 --> 00:44:10,778 It was like, "Wow, this is really, really creepy." 1007 00:44:10,821 --> 00:44:14,259 And there's this mood that all of a sudden, 1008 00:44:14,303 --> 00:44:18,002 you know it's a dream, but it feels so real. 1009 00:44:18,046 --> 00:44:19,264 Tina? 1010 00:44:19,308 --> 00:44:20,831 She bumps into the hall monitor, 1011 00:44:20,875 --> 00:44:23,268 and we have this great visual clue 1012 00:44:23,312 --> 00:44:24,922 of the red and green sweater. 1013 00:44:24,966 --> 00:44:26,054 Where's your pass? 1014 00:44:26,097 --> 00:44:28,839 Screw your pass. 1015 00:44:28,883 --> 00:44:31,537 Wait a minute, I know that red and green sweater. 1016 00:44:31,581 --> 00:44:33,975 That's Freddy, but it's a girl. Wait, how... 1017 00:44:34,018 --> 00:44:36,281 Hey, Nancy. 1018 00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:39,763 No running in the hallway. 1019 00:44:39,807 --> 00:44:43,201 I just remember, like, as a freshman in high school 1020 00:44:43,245 --> 00:44:45,116 thinking that was so freaky 1021 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,641 because that moment is mixing this fear of getting permission 1022 00:44:48,685 --> 00:44:51,296 and fear of authority with this fear 1023 00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:53,734 of getting shredded by a child murderer. 1024 00:44:53,777 --> 00:44:56,780 And so it's mixing these anxieties really, really well. 1025 00:44:56,824 --> 00:45:00,218 This trail of blood from this body bag 1026 00:45:00,262 --> 00:45:02,090 leads her to Freddy Krueger, 1027 00:45:02,133 --> 00:45:04,048 to direct confrontation with him 1028 00:45:04,092 --> 00:45:07,182 kind of for the first time in the film, 1029 00:45:07,225 --> 00:45:09,358 in the sense that she realizes 1030 00:45:09,401 --> 00:45:12,317 that this is what's going on in the dreamscape, 1031 00:45:12,361 --> 00:45:14,798 and she's able to save herself 1032 00:45:14,842 --> 00:45:18,236 by recognizing that what is playing out in front of her 1033 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,629 is not real. 1034 00:45:19,672 --> 00:45:21,022 It's only a dream! 1035 00:45:21,065 --> 00:45:22,458 Come to Freddy. 1036 00:45:29,595 --> 00:45:32,250 Wes Craven of course was an English teacher, 1037 00:45:32,294 --> 00:45:33,686 and he's also very much into, 1038 00:45:33,730 --> 00:45:34,881 like, philosophy and literature, 1039 00:45:34,905 --> 00:45:36,559 so he loved these ideas about how to deal 1040 00:45:36,602 --> 00:45:37,928 with, you know, the evil in your life, 1041 00:45:37,952 --> 00:45:39,431 and if it's seeping into your dreams 1042 00:45:39,475 --> 00:45:40,432 or, you know, into your consciousness, 1043 00:45:40,476 --> 00:45:42,478 how do you deal with it? 1044 00:45:42,521 --> 00:45:43,977 Which is what's so brilliant about it, 1045 00:45:44,001 --> 00:45:45,500 and he finds ways to sort of visualize it. 1046 00:45:45,524 --> 00:45:46,884 I think that's why it's so popular, 1047 00:45:46,917 --> 00:45:48,136 because it goes so much deeper 1048 00:45:48,179 --> 00:45:49,746 than your average slasher movie. 1049 00:45:49,790 --> 00:45:52,531 This is just a dream. He isn't real. 1050 00:45:52,575 --> 00:45:54,272 He isn't real. 79164

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