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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,311 --> 00:00:11,054 By the mid-1990s, Trekkies would have not one 2 00:00:11,098 --> 00:00:14,144 but twoStar Trek shows to give them their fix. 3 00:00:14,188 --> 00:00:15,972 Good luck. 4 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:18,192 We were a few seasons into Next Generation when they said, 5 00:00:18,235 --> 00:00:20,368 "Let's get another one going," and that was Deep Space Nine. 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:22,892 So I said, "Man, this is really cool. 7 00:00:22,935 --> 00:00:24,328 "They're gonna do a whole another series." 8 00:00:24,372 --> 00:00:26,330 One day that's going to be me. 9 00:00:26,374 --> 00:00:29,725 They're chugging out 20-some-odd episodes a year of two different series. 10 00:00:29,768 --> 00:00:31,901 And then there was the big screen. 11 00:00:31,944 --> 00:00:34,991 When Next Generationended, it went right into its first feature film. 12 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:39,648 They say time is the fire in which we burn. 13 00:00:39,691 --> 00:00:41,519 Prophetic warnings aside... 14 00:00:41,563 --> 00:00:44,870 Paramount said, "Simultaneously, let's get another show." 15 00:00:44,914 --> 00:00:46,655 ...another Star Trek series? 16 00:00:46,698 --> 00:00:48,265 Everything Star Trek's is exploding. 17 00:00:48,309 --> 00:00:50,702 But would the new series blow up... 18 00:00:50,746 --> 00:00:51,877 Welcome aboard Voyager. 19 00:00:51,921 --> 00:00:53,401 ...or be more of a bomb? 20 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:56,012 So beam aboard and hold on tight 21 00:00:56,056 --> 00:01:00,016 as we boldly go into the depths ofStar Trek. 22 00:01:02,105 --> 00:01:06,544 And you can see it all from here inThe Center Seat. 23 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:17,120 In 1994, development began on a fifthStar Trek show, adding to a growing family. 24 00:01:17,164 --> 00:01:19,166 We were the baby that came along 25 00:01:19,209 --> 00:01:21,603 when Next Generation was seven years old 26 00:01:21,646 --> 00:01:23,692 but Deep Space Nine was only two years old. 27 00:01:23,735 --> 00:01:27,783 We had six stages at Paramount going at one time. 28 00:01:27,826 --> 00:01:29,524 It was basically the Star Treklot. 29 00:01:29,567 --> 00:01:31,830 Walking down Star Trek Street at Paramount, 30 00:01:31,874 --> 00:01:34,964 here's Shatner and the entourage out in the alley between the buildings. 31 00:01:35,007 --> 00:01:37,967 He's all decked out in his monster maroon. 32 00:01:38,010 --> 00:01:39,751 And meanwhile, here's TNG. 33 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:41,405 They're trying to get their thing wrapped. 34 00:01:41,449 --> 00:01:45,148 Across the street, you've got the three stages of DS9. 35 00:01:45,192 --> 00:01:48,238 And then in the offices, you've got the art department. 36 00:01:48,282 --> 00:01:50,719 You've got people who are planning what's gonna be Voyager. 37 00:01:50,762 --> 00:01:55,985 So you really have four Star Trekprojects in the works at one time 38 00:01:56,028 --> 00:01:59,075 in this insane summer of 1994. 39 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:01,208 The patriarch of this family was a man 40 00:02:01,251 --> 00:02:04,254 who would come to define theStar Trek of the '90s. 41 00:02:04,298 --> 00:02:07,170 Rick Berman, as the executive producer of the shows, 42 00:02:07,214 --> 00:02:10,608 he has to carry the load of all these multiple productions. 43 00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:15,309 So much so that the era would become known as the Berman era. 44 00:02:15,352 --> 00:02:17,833 It's funny. I have heard it referred to me. 45 00:02:17,876 --> 00:02:19,617 It was the Westmore years. 46 00:02:19,661 --> 00:02:21,532 Whatever it was called, there was only one person 47 00:02:21,576 --> 00:02:24,100 who didn't want another show on his hands. 48 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:27,321 My feeling was, "Let's take a break. We're doing it too quickly." 49 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:30,411 And their feeling was, "We have ratings. Do it." 50 00:02:30,454 --> 00:02:32,064 But there was a little more to it 51 00:02:32,108 --> 00:02:35,285 because Paramount's bold plans forStar Trek 52 00:02:35,329 --> 00:02:38,419 were one part of a much riskier project. 53 00:02:38,462 --> 00:02:42,684 Paramount and Chris-Craft United television stations 54 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:46,514 joined forces to start the United Paramount Network. 55 00:02:46,557 --> 00:02:48,690 Better known as UPN. 56 00:02:48,733 --> 00:02:50,387 And I went to run that. 57 00:02:50,431 --> 00:02:53,869 Paramount had explored this territory 20 years earlier 58 00:02:53,912 --> 00:02:57,699 when it tried to launch a fourth network to challenge the big three. 59 00:02:57,742 --> 00:03:01,181 But armed with wunderkind executive, Lucy Salhany, 60 00:03:01,224 --> 00:03:03,008 and a newStar Trek show, 61 00:03:03,052 --> 00:03:06,490 Paramount was confident this time would be different. 62 00:03:06,534 --> 00:03:09,232 Perhaps a little too confident. 63 00:03:09,276 --> 00:03:11,887 We had from September until January. 64 00:03:11,930 --> 00:03:15,673 The middle of January, we had promised the stations we would be on the air. 65 00:03:15,717 --> 00:03:18,198 And if launching a network in four months 66 00:03:18,241 --> 00:03:21,418 wasn't groundbreaking enough, Voyager would be... 67 00:03:21,462 --> 00:03:25,944 The first time we would see a female captain leading a show. 68 00:03:25,988 --> 00:03:28,120 ...still a controversial move. 69 00:03:28,164 --> 00:03:32,473 It was, in fact, whatStar Trek's creator had espoused 30 years earlier. 70 00:03:32,516 --> 00:03:36,607 It's another reflection of Gene's whole thing about humanity, 71 00:03:36,651 --> 00:03:38,957 encompassing all of its elements. 72 00:03:39,001 --> 00:03:42,265 Star Trek was once again ahead of its audience, 73 00:03:42,309 --> 00:03:44,311 but not too far ahead. 74 00:03:44,354 --> 00:03:47,357 The only way the audience would accept a female captain 75 00:03:47,401 --> 00:03:49,881 is if we made her as much of a man as possible. 76 00:03:49,925 --> 00:03:53,537 Which sounds like the male idea of what a female should be. 77 00:03:53,581 --> 00:03:55,887 But producers had a plan to avoid that. 78 00:03:55,931 --> 00:03:58,977 Rick said to me, "We're going to do a series about a female captain. 79 00:03:59,021 --> 00:04:00,414 "Do you wanna be a co-creator?" 80 00:04:00,457 --> 00:04:01,980 To which Jeri responded... 81 00:04:02,024 --> 00:04:03,243 Yes. Yes. 82 00:04:03,286 --> 00:04:05,027 I thought it was important, 83 00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:07,899 especially because we wanted to have a female captain 84 00:04:07,943 --> 00:04:10,337 that we had a female executive producer. 85 00:04:10,859 --> 00:04:12,861 Obviously. 86 00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:15,951 And obviously, Jeri had some opinions about the female captain. 87 00:04:15,994 --> 00:04:18,736 I was one who felt very strongly 88 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:23,524 that she should be allowed to have compassion and sensitivity 89 00:04:23,567 --> 00:04:25,656 and maybe a maternalness. 90 00:04:25,700 --> 00:04:28,529 That she should be a complete human being. 91 00:04:28,572 --> 00:04:31,532 And most importantly, a sense of self. 92 00:04:31,575 --> 00:04:34,230 A real sense of self without apology. 93 00:04:34,274 --> 00:04:36,493 But the creators ofVoyager knew that 94 00:04:36,537 --> 00:04:38,582 it would take more than a female captain 95 00:04:38,626 --> 00:04:41,237 to set their show apart from the crowded slate. 96 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,021 Because, as previously established... 97 00:04:43,065 --> 00:04:44,893 Every Star Trekbegins with 98 00:04:44,936 --> 00:04:47,939 "How do we make it exactly like the others, except totally different?" 99 00:04:47,983 --> 00:04:51,073 Rick Berman, Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor 100 00:04:51,116 --> 00:04:53,336 begin a series of secret meetings. 101 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:55,512 Now it was getting very, very difficult 102 00:04:55,556 --> 00:04:57,340 because there had been The Original Series, 103 00:04:57,384 --> 00:05:00,125 there had beenNext Gen, there had beenDeep Space Nine. 104 00:05:00,169 --> 00:05:03,564 So how do you come up with something that feels fresh? 105 00:05:03,607 --> 00:05:06,871 The answer was simply to ask fans what they wanted. 106 00:05:06,915 --> 00:05:09,439 Paramount does focus research, 107 00:05:09,483 --> 00:05:13,313 and they ask fans if they would want another Star Trekshow. 108 00:05:13,356 --> 00:05:17,447 And fans say, "Yes," and they prefer a ship-based show. 109 00:05:17,491 --> 00:05:21,538 That meant daring to chart an unknown course forVoyager. 110 00:05:21,582 --> 00:05:27,152 It was Michael who came up with the idea of losing them in Deep Space. 111 00:05:27,196 --> 00:05:28,676 When a displacement wave 112 00:05:28,719 --> 00:05:31,331 knocks theVoyager clear across the galaxy... 113 00:05:36,205 --> 00:05:37,598 Report. 114 00:05:37,641 --> 00:05:40,078 We're over 70,000 light years from where we were. 115 00:05:40,122 --> 00:05:41,558 Not much to worry about. 116 00:05:41,602 --> 00:05:44,953 Just 75 years at maximum warp and they'd be home. 117 00:05:44,996 --> 00:05:47,782 We had an overall mission. Get home. 118 00:05:47,825 --> 00:05:52,352 It was radical enough that it made me a little nervous. 119 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:55,355 And others a little disappointed. 120 00:05:55,398 --> 00:05:57,618 I mean, come on. What warp? 121 00:05:57,661 --> 00:06:00,534 Where is the exploration? 122 00:06:00,577 --> 00:06:04,581 Where is the drive to expand our knowledge? 123 00:06:04,625 --> 00:06:06,757 No. We just wanna go home. 124 00:06:06,801 --> 00:06:09,630 It's a fine crew, and I've got to get them home. 125 00:06:09,673 --> 00:06:12,720 This is what will make it fresh. This is what makes it original. 126 00:06:12,763 --> 00:06:15,592 This is what makes it different. This is what will make it work. 127 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:17,507 And they were right to be apprehensive 128 00:06:17,551 --> 00:06:19,117 because there was a price to pay 129 00:06:19,161 --> 00:06:21,642 for sendingStar Trek into the unknown... 130 00:06:21,685 --> 00:06:25,341 No Klingons, no Romulans, no Cardassians, no Trill. 131 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:28,431 The popularity ofStar Trek has a lot to do 132 00:06:28,475 --> 00:06:30,694 with the Klingons, the Romulans. 133 00:06:30,738 --> 00:06:35,264 That area of space that we all know and love in producing such good stories. 134 00:06:35,307 --> 00:06:37,788 Completely breaking withStar Trek tradition. 135 00:06:37,832 --> 00:06:40,704 They're setting themselves up with this incredible challenge. 136 00:06:40,748 --> 00:06:42,576 And that challenge was... 137 00:06:42,619 --> 00:06:45,361 Is the audience going to accept that? 138 00:06:45,405 --> 00:06:47,842 Are they going to buy it? Are they going to resent us? 139 00:06:47,885 --> 00:06:49,234 Let's find out. 140 00:06:49,278 --> 00:06:51,411 As the premier script came together, 141 00:06:51,454 --> 00:06:55,763 this trio dared to introduce new alien races. 142 00:06:55,806 --> 00:06:57,329 Ranging from the tragic... 143 00:06:57,373 --> 00:06:58,896 She is Ocampa. 144 00:06:58,940 --> 00:07:00,985 Why would you be interested in such worthless creatures? 145 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:02,247 ...to the comic. 146 00:07:02,291 --> 00:07:03,945 I must admit, I haven't had access 147 00:07:03,988 --> 00:07:07,339 to a full replicator before. 148 00:07:07,383 --> 00:07:11,169 Even the very bones ofStar Trek were getting a new twist. 149 00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:14,085 Computer, initiate Emergency Medical Holographic program. 150 00:07:14,129 --> 00:07:17,611 That is to say, the ship's new doctor was now just an app. 151 00:07:17,654 --> 00:07:19,830 Please state the nature of the medical emergency. 152 00:07:19,874 --> 00:07:22,137 When I read the character description, it said, 153 00:07:22,180 --> 00:07:26,141 "a computer program of a doctor, colorless, humorless." 154 00:07:26,184 --> 00:07:29,449 But I'd heard they'd seen, like, 900 actors, 155 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:32,713 and they wanted someone funny, but I didn't think the part was funny on paper. 156 00:07:32,756 --> 00:07:36,107 So in his audition, Robert ad-libbed a line, 157 00:07:36,151 --> 00:07:39,067 a little something extra to show his chops. 158 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:41,025 The last scripted line, 159 00:07:41,069 --> 00:07:45,203 "The doctor has been left active in sick bay and he has nothing to do." 160 00:07:45,247 --> 00:07:47,597 Doesn't anyone know how to turn off the program when they leave? 161 00:07:47,641 --> 00:07:52,428 And after that last line, I took a long, deadpan look at the 16 people watching me 162 00:07:52,472 --> 00:07:55,083 and I said, "I'm a doctor, not a nightlight." 163 00:07:55,126 --> 00:07:57,477 Bones couldn't have said it better himself. 164 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,522 I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer. 165 00:07:59,566 --> 00:08:03,874 But even a computer-generated doctor needed a snappy name. 166 00:08:03,918 --> 00:08:07,748 The doctor was going to be named Dr. Zimmerman through the entire first season. 167 00:08:07,791 --> 00:08:10,402 Right before we premiered, they changed my credit 168 00:08:10,446 --> 00:08:13,014 from Doc Zimmerman, Robert Picardo, to The Doctor. 169 00:08:13,057 --> 00:08:15,495 And suddenly, Star Trek's new doctor 170 00:08:15,538 --> 00:08:19,977 sounded a bit like a certain more famous doctor from across the pond. 171 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:22,371 And in that moment, unwittingly, I ripped off 172 00:08:22,414 --> 00:08:24,808 fifty years of British science fiction television. 173 00:08:24,852 --> 00:08:28,769 Other new characters had problems much bigger than what they were named. 174 00:08:28,812 --> 00:08:31,162 Kes, this is a surprise. 175 00:08:31,206 --> 00:08:34,209 Kes is an Ocampan, has a very short lifespan. 176 00:08:34,252 --> 00:08:36,864 Living not much longer than your average pet. 177 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:42,173 It was a character who gave us an interesting perspective on mortality. 178 00:08:42,217 --> 00:08:44,393 You know how finite a human lifespan is. 179 00:08:44,436 --> 00:08:48,615 Producers found their mayfly in a young actress from Illinois. 180 00:08:48,658 --> 00:08:51,269 Jennifer Lien who played, uh, Kes, 181 00:08:51,313 --> 00:08:54,359 a very, very good actress. 182 00:08:54,403 --> 00:08:56,231 I thought Jennifer Lien was wonderful. 183 00:08:56,274 --> 00:08:58,320 Extremely talented. 184 00:08:58,363 --> 00:09:00,583 And I thought, "Excellent choice for that role." 185 00:09:00,627 --> 00:09:02,977 She played it to the hilt. 186 00:09:03,020 --> 00:09:05,501 And there were plenty more characters to cast. 187 00:09:05,545 --> 00:09:07,938 We need a Robbie McNeill type to play Paris. 188 00:09:07,982 --> 00:09:09,984 I'm already doing a job. 189 00:09:10,027 --> 00:09:11,812 It's true. 190 00:09:11,855 --> 00:09:14,510 He'd already played a small part in theNext Generation. 191 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:15,642 But not to worry. 192 00:09:15,685 --> 00:09:17,513 Fine. He's another character. Okay. 193 00:09:17,557 --> 00:09:19,384 Well, then I guess I'm yours. 194 00:09:19,428 --> 00:09:23,258 AnotherNext Generation veteran was Ethan Phillips 195 00:09:23,301 --> 00:09:26,522 who would swap a spiky teeth for pointy ears and a mohawk. 196 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,611 Neelix. 197 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:31,135 Eventually, the initial script suggested something different. 198 00:09:31,179 --> 00:09:33,485 It said he was an android, 199 00:09:33,529 --> 00:09:35,357 and I didn't know what that... 200 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,794 I figured it was a guy who had, like, an oid hanging from his... 201 00:09:37,838 --> 00:09:39,796 I didn't know what the hell it was. 202 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,233 Well, at this point, no one knew what much of anything was 203 00:09:42,277 --> 00:09:45,019 because without its beloved Klingons, 204 00:09:45,062 --> 00:09:47,717 Star Trek needed a new band of would-be villains. 205 00:09:47,761 --> 00:09:49,806 Hail the Maquis. 206 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:53,593 One of the ingredients was this group of rebels called the Maquis. 207 00:09:53,636 --> 00:09:56,944 These renegades, they are broken away from the Federation. 208 00:09:56,987 --> 00:09:58,772 They are our antagonists 209 00:09:58,815 --> 00:10:00,904 that we're gonna have to come to some kind of understanding with. 210 00:10:00,948 --> 00:10:03,646 And leading these potentially sinister insurgents, 211 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:05,648 Robert Beltran as Chakotay. 212 00:10:05,692 --> 00:10:07,998 Commander, you and I have the same problem. 213 00:10:08,042 --> 00:10:10,784 I think it makes sense to try and solve it together, don't you? 214 00:10:10,827 --> 00:10:15,571 And this rogue faction soon found itself aboardVoyager. 215 00:10:15,615 --> 00:10:17,094 Watch out, Captain. They're armed. 216 00:10:17,138 --> 00:10:21,098 That, to me, was the most interesting part of the pilot. 217 00:10:21,142 --> 00:10:24,014 We are going to have conflict not only with aliens 218 00:10:24,058 --> 00:10:26,626 and other stuff that we meet out in the universe, 219 00:10:26,669 --> 00:10:28,715 we are gonna have it on board the ship. 220 00:10:28,758 --> 00:10:32,109 And although this could have been the source of a lot of tension... 221 00:10:32,153 --> 00:10:33,720 Didn't go anywhere. 222 00:10:33,763 --> 00:10:36,418 I didn't think this Maquis thing would last, and I was right. 223 00:10:36,461 --> 00:10:40,161 In fact, it didn't even survive the first episode. 224 00:10:40,204 --> 00:10:41,902 Permission to speak freely. 225 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:44,208 I was hoping that they would play with that a little bit longer. 226 00:10:44,252 --> 00:10:47,124 There's conflict embedded in the whole situation. 227 00:10:47,168 --> 00:10:51,259 But writers soon realized the conflict scenario didn't make sense. 228 00:10:51,302 --> 00:10:54,479 Now was it because I didn't wanna deal with it and I ignored it? 229 00:10:54,523 --> 00:10:56,568 Or is it because they're stuck on a desert island? 230 00:10:56,612 --> 00:10:58,396 We are not at home. 231 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,313 There is no purpose for them in the wrong quadrant of the galaxy. 232 00:11:02,357 --> 00:11:04,446 And we are on the lifeboat. 233 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:07,101 What kind of trouble are you gonna make on a lifeboat, man? 234 00:11:07,144 --> 00:11:10,974 So instead of conflict, the Maquis brought the opposite. 235 00:11:11,018 --> 00:11:15,065 Both crews are going to have to work together if we are to survive. 236 00:11:15,109 --> 00:11:17,851 Diversity in the Starship's crew was mirrored 237 00:11:17,894 --> 00:11:20,636 by real diversity inVoyager's cast. 238 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:23,552 My grandparents are from Mexico. We are Mestizos. 239 00:11:23,595 --> 00:11:25,772 We are half European, half native. 240 00:11:25,815 --> 00:11:28,122 I'm Puerto Rican, and as I was growing up, 241 00:11:28,165 --> 00:11:30,994 I didn't really see anybody that looked like me on TV. 242 00:11:31,038 --> 00:11:32,822 Star Trek's infinite diversity 243 00:11:32,866 --> 00:11:35,999 was once again challenging its audience. 244 00:11:36,043 --> 00:11:38,741 They asked me, "Well, how could there be an African-American Vulcan?" 245 00:11:38,785 --> 00:11:40,438 Well, I think the phrase is 246 00:11:40,482 --> 00:11:42,876 "infinite diversity in infinite combinations," isn't it? 247 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:45,095 And for the true pedants out there, 248 00:11:45,139 --> 00:11:49,143 it's worth pointing out that the planet Vulcan has multiple suns. 249 00:11:49,186 --> 00:11:51,536 Meaning it's hot. 250 00:11:51,580 --> 00:11:55,192 So what is the temperature gonna be like on the equator of that planet? 251 00:11:55,236 --> 00:11:59,501 But the producers had left their toughest casting decision until last. 252 00:11:59,544 --> 00:12:03,374 And for the captain, even getting the name right was a challenge. 253 00:12:03,418 --> 00:12:05,289 The first name was Elizabeth. 254 00:12:05,333 --> 00:12:08,989 It turns out there is a real-life Elizabeth Janeway of high repute. 255 00:12:09,032 --> 00:12:12,470 She is the wife of economist Eliot Janeway. 256 00:12:12,514 --> 00:12:14,559 So, no, we can't use a real person's name. 257 00:12:14,603 --> 00:12:16,039 So then it becomes Kathryn. 258 00:12:16,083 --> 00:12:18,650 And then 20 years later, Jeri Taylor has a chance 259 00:12:18,694 --> 00:12:22,089 to interact with the real-life Elizabeth Janeway. 260 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:25,527 And she says, "You know, we almost named her for you, but we couldn't name..." 261 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,485 And Elizabeth Janeway says, "Oh, my God, 262 00:12:27,529 --> 00:12:29,400 "I would have been thrilled if you'd named her Elizabeth." 263 00:12:29,444 --> 00:12:32,186 Instead Elizabeth was now a Kathryn. 264 00:12:32,229 --> 00:12:34,797 But who best to embody this new matriarch? 265 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:37,539 They had to find this middle ground 266 00:12:37,582 --> 00:12:39,497 of someone who could show a heart 267 00:12:39,541 --> 00:12:43,675 and be kind of, in many respects, a mother to her crew, 268 00:12:43,719 --> 00:12:45,634 but also be in charge. 269 00:12:45,677 --> 00:12:50,465 We struggled to find an actress to do that. 270 00:12:50,508 --> 00:12:53,381 I mean, we read hundreds of people, literally. 271 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:56,688 Leaving no stone unturned in their search for a captain, 272 00:12:56,732 --> 00:13:01,215 producers considered nearly every established TV heroine ever. 273 00:13:01,258 --> 00:13:02,738 Erin Gray from Buck Rogers. 274 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:04,696 Attention, alien spacecraft. Do you read? 275 00:13:04,740 --> 00:13:05,828 Linda Hamilton. 276 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:08,004 There's Susan Gibney. 277 00:13:08,048 --> 00:13:09,136 We made a good team. 278 00:13:09,179 --> 00:13:11,921 Lindsay Wagner, The Bionic Woman. 279 00:13:11,965 --> 00:13:14,706 But this catalog of kick ass led to nothing. 280 00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:19,711 They brought in an actress who had obviously had some success with Mrs. Columbo. 281 00:13:19,755 --> 00:13:21,757 The working actress, Kate Mulgrew. 282 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,803 And I know what you're thinking. 283 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:25,413 But she didn't get the job. 284 00:13:25,456 --> 00:13:26,588 At least not yet. 285 00:13:26,631 --> 00:13:27,981 We weren't all that taken, 286 00:13:28,024 --> 00:13:31,854 and so didn't even offer her a second reading. 287 00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:34,683 But then a big name put her hat in the ring, 288 00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:37,338 albeit a hat that no one saw coming. 289 00:13:37,381 --> 00:13:41,733 It was made known to us that Genevieve Bujold was interested in this. 290 00:13:41,777 --> 00:13:45,912 Genevieve Bujold was an Academy Award nominated actress. 291 00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:47,130 She was a name. 292 00:13:47,174 --> 00:13:49,393 She was more associated with art films. 293 00:13:49,437 --> 00:13:51,265 Brother, I must fight. I must. 294 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:54,442 Everybody was excited beyond belief. 295 00:13:54,485 --> 00:13:56,444 I pushed hard for Genevieve Bujold. 296 00:13:56,487 --> 00:13:59,839 I was a huge fan of hers. 297 00:13:59,882 --> 00:14:05,279 We asked her to read and she didn't wanna do that. 298 00:14:05,322 --> 00:14:08,456 I think she felt it was demeaning to her 299 00:14:08,499 --> 00:14:13,330 that an actress of her stature and caliber to be asked to read a part. 300 00:14:13,374 --> 00:14:16,943 Not wanting to offend the Oscar nominated actress... 301 00:14:16,986 --> 00:14:19,902 We made the decision not to ask her to read, 302 00:14:19,946 --> 00:14:23,123 but to give her the part convinced that it would be wonderful. 303 00:14:23,166 --> 00:14:25,255 But not everyone shared the hunch. 304 00:14:25,299 --> 00:14:27,431 And I remember very, very clearly 305 00:14:27,475 --> 00:14:30,043 telling both Michael Piller and Jeri Taylor 306 00:14:30,086 --> 00:14:33,829 who were enamored with her that I didn't think it was gonna work. 307 00:14:35,962 --> 00:14:37,920 Star Trek: Voyager had landed 308 00:14:37,964 --> 00:14:42,011 a genuine marquee star to be its first female captain. 309 00:14:42,055 --> 00:14:45,493 People know Genevieve Bujold is a marketable name. 310 00:14:45,536 --> 00:14:48,061 But not everyone was quite so excited. 311 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:51,064 There was a part of me that knew it wasn't gonna work. 312 00:14:51,107 --> 00:14:55,677 And with a very expensive pilot on the line, 313 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,332 Voyager needed to hit the bull's eye. 314 00:14:58,375 --> 00:15:01,726 Voyagerabsolutely was our premiere show. 315 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:03,990 Luckily, they had an A-list cast. 316 00:15:04,033 --> 00:15:07,428 The Cardassians claim they forced the Maquis ship 317 00:15:07,471 --> 00:15:10,953 into a plasma storm where it was destroyed, 318 00:15:10,997 --> 00:15:13,695 but our probes haven't picked up any debris. 319 00:15:13,738 --> 00:15:18,178 After one day's shooting, we were a little dismayed. 320 00:15:18,221 --> 00:15:20,484 She was very passive. 321 00:15:20,528 --> 00:15:22,834 And I literally can't hear what she's saying. 322 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:24,271 That was the first sign. 323 00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:25,881 Excuse me, Captain, is that... 324 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:27,622 Now? You mean now? 325 00:15:27,665 --> 00:15:29,972 We might be able to disperse it with a graviton particle field. 326 00:15:30,016 --> 00:15:32,932 Do it. Red alert. 327 00:15:32,975 --> 00:15:36,370 I think this was a very conscious choice on her part, 328 00:15:36,413 --> 00:15:39,547 that she didn't need to be strong 329 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:42,942 or imperious or controlling. 330 00:15:42,985 --> 00:15:46,946 Dramatically, this did not translate well. 331 00:15:46,989 --> 00:15:50,906 It created the effect that she didn't care if she was there or not. 332 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,039 The film actress also struggled to fit 333 00:15:53,082 --> 00:15:57,086 her big screen expectations into small screen realities. 334 00:15:57,130 --> 00:16:00,002 This was a woman who had just done feature films. 335 00:16:00,046 --> 00:16:01,221 She had never done television. 336 00:16:01,264 --> 00:16:03,049 She was used to doing one page a day. 337 00:16:03,092 --> 00:16:04,441 We do seven. 338 00:16:04,485 --> 00:16:06,356 You know, with dialogue changing every ten minutes. 339 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,230 Day one of shooting had become a slow-motion train wreck. 340 00:16:10,273 --> 00:16:13,363 And we talked to the director and said, you know, 341 00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:16,323 we need to have a little more substance from this woman. 342 00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:20,762 And he said, I know and I have tried and it's not happening. 343 00:16:20,805 --> 00:16:23,678 Perhaps things would be better on day two. 344 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:25,767 It was exactly the same. 345 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:30,337 Genevieve had gone down a rabbit hole and she decided to stay there. 346 00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:34,515 She, basically, went into her trailer and wouldn't come out. 347 00:16:34,558 --> 00:16:36,908 And our shooting schedule went to hell. 348 00:16:36,952 --> 00:16:38,867 The studio got incredibly upset. 349 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:42,088 This was starting to cost Paramount serious money. 350 00:16:42,131 --> 00:16:46,005 Problem is, if you fire her, you have to pay her for the whole season. 351 00:16:46,048 --> 00:16:48,224 It's a lot of money, even for Star Trek. 352 00:16:48,268 --> 00:16:50,270 But before push came to shove, 353 00:16:50,313 --> 00:16:52,837 Genevieve offered an olive branch. 354 00:16:52,881 --> 00:16:57,364 She summoned the three of us, Rick, Michael, and I, to her trailer, 355 00:16:57,407 --> 00:17:00,889 and said she just didn't feel she could go on with this. 356 00:17:00,932 --> 00:17:04,545 This was not the right choice for her. It was not the right part. 357 00:17:04,588 --> 00:17:06,851 And while sympathetic, the producers were, 358 00:17:06,895 --> 00:17:07,939 more than anything... 359 00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:09,593 Deeply relieved. 360 00:17:09,637 --> 00:17:12,553 A move that instantly saved Paramount money, 361 00:17:12,596 --> 00:17:15,164 but landed the production in choppy waters. 362 00:17:15,208 --> 00:17:18,211 Our Academy Award-winning actress is going. 363 00:17:18,254 --> 00:17:21,562 Scandal, scandal. This is the doom ship. This is the ship of the dead. 364 00:17:21,605 --> 00:17:23,520 The Star Trekthat will never get off the ground. 365 00:17:23,564 --> 00:17:26,567 It was back to square one. And with time against them... 366 00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:30,788 They go back through the files and see, maybe, we should give a second read to some people. 367 00:17:30,832 --> 00:17:33,008 And thanks to a little detective work, 368 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:36,403 they discovered Mrs. Columbo, again. 369 00:17:36,446 --> 00:17:39,928 And so Kate came in and read. 370 00:17:39,971 --> 00:17:44,019 ...for a second time, but that didn't mean she was doubly prepared. 371 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,673 I didn't watch any Star Trek. 372 00:17:45,716 --> 00:17:48,110 In fact, somebody once said, "Oh, Patrick Stewart is here." 373 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:50,765 I was at a party and I said, "Who's Patrick Stewart?" 374 00:17:50,808 --> 00:17:52,332 And they all gasped. 375 00:17:52,375 --> 00:17:55,117 Well, in any case, at the second audition... 376 00:17:55,161 --> 00:17:59,861 I was free in the audition room, I was able to give my take on Kathryn Janeway. 377 00:17:59,904 --> 00:18:03,517 It was less gasping and more sighs of relief. 378 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,129 And it was such a profound difference 379 00:18:07,173 --> 00:18:10,176 between what Genevieve had done and what Kate was doing. 380 00:18:10,219 --> 00:18:14,005 And I remember as I left the room, if I didn't do it literally, 381 00:18:14,049 --> 00:18:16,356 I felt that I was winking at Rick Berman. 382 00:18:16,399 --> 00:18:18,227 So there's no surprise that... 383 00:18:18,271 --> 00:18:20,403 My first choice and all of our first choice was Kate. 384 00:18:20,447 --> 00:18:23,711 But Kate had little time to get accustomed to the chair. 385 00:18:23,754 --> 00:18:27,193 I think I had about a weekend to pull myself together, 386 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:32,633 but it felt like I was being shot out of a cannon. It was so intense. 387 00:18:32,676 --> 00:18:35,375 And if learning her part overnight wasn't enough... 388 00:18:35,418 --> 00:18:37,507 She was under a tremendous amount of scrutiny. 389 00:18:37,551 --> 00:18:41,163 With jittery studio suits hovering, Kate had inherited 390 00:18:41,207 --> 00:18:43,383 the toughest of tough crowds. 391 00:18:43,426 --> 00:18:48,388 I only remember coming onto the bridge and having to perform that initial monologue. 392 00:18:48,431 --> 00:18:49,519 We're alone... 393 00:18:50,694 --> 00:18:53,523 in an uncharted part of the galaxy. 394 00:18:53,567 --> 00:18:57,875 With a lot of men in suits standing at the lip of the bridge, arms folded, 395 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:02,402 "Is she going to do this because we've got a wonderful actor in the wings." 396 00:19:02,445 --> 00:19:05,448 Kate was not only the producers' last chance, 397 00:19:05,492 --> 00:19:08,582 she was turning into the sisterhoods last stand. 398 00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:12,063 There were all these rumors that if we didn't find the right woman 399 00:19:12,107 --> 00:19:17,547 to play Captain Janeway, that the studio might make it a male after all. 400 00:19:17,591 --> 00:19:21,247 Suddenly, Kate wasn't the only cast member getting nervous. 401 00:19:21,290 --> 00:19:25,773 If Janeway were now a man, then one of the other characters that was, presently, a man 402 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,427 might be turned into a woman. 403 00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:30,343 So we were all a little nervous about losing our jobs. 404 00:19:32,301 --> 00:19:34,216 With the fate of a new network 405 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:37,741 and the entire Star Trek franchise on her shoulders, 406 00:19:37,785 --> 00:19:39,656 Kate Mulgrew dug deep. 407 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,356 When that kind of attention is on you, it's very hard to relax 408 00:19:43,399 --> 00:19:46,576 and inhabit the character with the kind of grace and confidence 409 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:51,233 that only comes over time, so I had to really act. 410 00:19:51,277 --> 00:19:52,582 Let's see what happens. 411 00:19:52,626 --> 00:19:54,454 I had to pull myself together and I thought, 412 00:19:54,497 --> 00:19:56,804 "Well, this is what it's going to be like. It's going to be tough." 413 00:19:56,847 --> 00:19:59,807 Kate came on set. We were filming in the corridors, 414 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:02,070 and everybody burst into applause. 415 00:20:02,113 --> 00:20:04,420 "Oh, my gosh, we can get back to work now." 416 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:07,423 Kate Mulgrew came in and just took charge of that role from the beginning, 417 00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:10,034 and she was clearly the captain. 418 00:20:10,078 --> 00:20:11,949 She was in charge. 419 00:20:11,993 --> 00:20:14,648 And you could totally buy a ship full of people following her orders. 420 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,780 It just felt right. 421 00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:19,609 But there were still plenty of other things they could get wrong. 422 00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:24,614 Like the entire plot for the two-part premiere episode called"Caretaker". 423 00:20:24,658 --> 00:20:28,531 They were supposed to be an advanced race, but they can find any water. 424 00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:31,839 The Kazon were no substitute for the Klingons. 425 00:20:31,882 --> 00:20:35,146 You know, you've got, like, warp-capable spacecraft, 426 00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:36,322 but you're thirsty. 427 00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:38,367 I mean, it just seemed kind of silly. 428 00:20:38,411 --> 00:20:41,849 And incidentally, it wasn't just the Kazon who were thirsty, 429 00:20:41,892 --> 00:20:43,372 And it was, you know, 100 degrees 430 00:20:43,416 --> 00:20:44,765 and I was in that makeup. 431 00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:46,941 They all trade and they all kill each other for it. 432 00:20:46,984 --> 00:20:49,857 Everybody was bitching. Finally, I just got so sick of listening to the bitching 433 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:53,730 and said, "Listen, guys, I got a mattress glued to my head, you guys should shut the... up." 434 00:20:53,774 --> 00:20:57,299 My friends, it's good to see you again! 435 00:20:57,343 --> 00:21:00,911 Well, the script wasn't quite holding water for Brannon Braga, either. 436 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:03,218 My only contribution to the pilot, I think, 437 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:06,874 was that I thought the initial drafts were missing 438 00:21:06,917 --> 00:21:08,267 some kind of weirdness. 439 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,094 Well, not for long. 440 00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:14,055 I'm up here, I have a pitcher of lemonade and some sugar cookies. 441 00:21:14,098 --> 00:21:16,971 You're being catapulted to the Delta Quadrant. 442 00:21:17,014 --> 00:21:19,539 You need a little Twilight Zone-nessgoing on. 443 00:21:19,582 --> 00:21:22,672 And I think their answer to that was this banjo man thing. 444 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:26,589 But not just your regular banjo man. 445 00:21:26,633 --> 00:21:29,331 He turns out to be a super powerful dying alien. 446 00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:31,333 Who really looks like this. 447 00:21:31,377 --> 00:21:34,989 And was responsible for the well being of the subterranean Ocampas. 448 00:21:35,032 --> 00:21:38,079 He had no idea that our technology 449 00:21:38,122 --> 00:21:40,821 would be so destructive to their atmosphere. 450 00:21:40,864 --> 00:21:46,217 But aside from a cool banjo, the caretaker also has a very powerful array 451 00:21:46,261 --> 00:21:48,002 that could sendVoyager home. 452 00:21:48,045 --> 00:21:51,440 But in doing so, it would fall into the hands of the Kazon, 453 00:21:51,484 --> 00:21:54,225 who would use it to steal the Ocampas water. 454 00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:56,097 And they won't be able to survive. 455 00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:58,926 Leaving Captain Janeway with a tough choice. 456 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:02,321 Either use the caretaker's array to get home, 457 00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:04,279 or destroy it and save the Ocampa. 458 00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,455 But it means being stranded. 459 00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,415 I'm aware everyone has families and loved ones at homes they want to get back to. 460 00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,417 So do I. 461 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:14,855 But I'm not willing to trade the lives of the Ocampa for our convenience. 462 00:22:14,898 --> 00:22:16,552 We'll have to find another way home, 463 00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:19,163 And she carries that burden with her for the entire series. 464 00:22:19,207 --> 00:22:22,210 But it was very brave to cut all the moorings loose. 465 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:30,131 We're like castaways out there. We are on our own, and we are in unexplored space. 466 00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:32,133 They've taken away the safety net. 467 00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:36,355 There is no Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian to fall back on. 468 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:41,490 What you hope is that by going into a completely fresh area of space, 469 00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:44,406 you have enough potential material 470 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:48,845 that you don't have to have a... a favorite enemy. 471 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:51,979 Furthermore, since they're still on a one way trip home, 472 00:22:52,022 --> 00:22:54,242 that meant there'd be no doubling back. 473 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:57,941 Even if we encountered, you know, a really interesting species, like the Vidiians, 474 00:22:57,985 --> 00:22:59,943 you know, as soon as we were past somebody's space, 475 00:22:59,987 --> 00:23:01,771 we wouldn't be coming back and seeing them again. 476 00:23:01,815 --> 00:23:04,600 In a way, it was a little bit of a drawback. 477 00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:08,125 The fact that Voyager was constantly moving under, 478 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:11,694 on a trajectory to get home was not a drawback. 479 00:23:11,738 --> 00:23:15,045 In terms of encountering species a second time, 480 00:23:15,089 --> 00:23:18,571 because a species like the Vidiians, and they can be far spread. 481 00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:21,965 They can live on other worlds. They have warp ships, too. 482 00:23:22,009 --> 00:23:25,969 Like, and so what, by the way, it forces you to come up with new stuff. 483 00:23:26,013 --> 00:23:28,450 Producers were confident this lost in space 484 00:23:28,494 --> 00:23:30,278 Star Trek would find an audience. 485 00:23:30,321 --> 00:23:32,149 We'll find a way back. 486 00:23:32,193 --> 00:23:34,195 Even if they couldn't find home. 487 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:37,067 And they were right. 488 00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:40,027 And, of course, Voyagerpremieres in January, 1995. 489 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:41,724 to extraordinary viewership. 490 00:23:41,768 --> 00:23:44,466 21.3 million viewers. 491 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:48,470 We were the second highest-rated network and that was big for UPN. 492 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:52,343 But unlike the Kazon, this audience wasn't thirsty for more. 493 00:23:52,387 --> 00:23:54,824 You never know what an audience is going to do. 494 00:23:54,868 --> 00:23:56,260 Soon after the premiere... 495 00:23:56,304 --> 00:23:59,046 The numbers diminished and that was... 496 00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:03,137 distressing, and we weren't certain why 497 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:06,401 And neither was UPN but they forged ahead. 498 00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:09,273 They had really left themselves with no other option. 499 00:24:09,317 --> 00:24:12,451 And depending on one show, to launch an entire network. 500 00:24:12,494 --> 00:24:15,323 It seemed to me. "Well, I guess they know what they're doing." 501 00:24:15,366 --> 00:24:17,934 There was at least one place where they could find out 502 00:24:17,978 --> 00:24:21,416 what the audience really thought ofVoyager and Captain Janeway. 503 00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:26,813 In March of 1995, there is the first Star Trekconvention 504 00:24:26,856 --> 00:24:28,336 since the show came out, 505 00:24:28,379 --> 00:24:30,860 And they opened it up for a question and answer time. 506 00:24:30,904 --> 00:24:33,950 So, this middle-aged man gets up and he says, 507 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:39,478 "The jury is still out on you as captain of Voyager. 508 00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:42,785 "As a woman leading a Star Trekseries. 509 00:24:42,829 --> 00:24:44,700 "And as you as an actress." 510 00:24:46,223 --> 00:24:51,794 And you could have heard a pin drop in that room. 511 00:24:51,838 --> 00:24:56,625 If memory serves, she responded, "Well, I'm sorry. You think that way." 512 00:24:56,669 --> 00:24:59,976 How many Star Trekfans does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 513 00:25:00,455 --> 00:25:01,848 Four. 514 00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:03,719 One to screw it in and then three to argue about 515 00:25:03,763 --> 00:25:05,765 how much better they did it on the original series. 516 00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:07,462 Within a few episodes, 517 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:10,334 Voyager's voyage appeared doomed. 518 00:25:10,378 --> 00:25:14,948 If you don't have viewers, then you don't have a show that's going to continue. 519 00:25:14,991 --> 00:25:17,341 For now, Paramount had a show, 520 00:25:17,385 --> 00:25:20,301 but they barely had a network to run it on. 521 00:25:20,344 --> 00:25:24,653 We called ourselves a network, but we only had a few nights. We only had six hours. 522 00:25:24,697 --> 00:25:26,873 We weren't a legitimate network at that time. 523 00:25:26,916 --> 00:25:30,137 United Paramount Network had a credibility issue. 524 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:33,662 And it was, you know, universally called the "you pretend network." 525 00:25:33,706 --> 00:25:35,664 "Let's pretend we're a network." Okay. 526 00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:37,405 And the other science fiction on it 527 00:25:37,448 --> 00:25:40,277 wasn't looking terribly legitimate, either. 528 00:25:40,321 --> 00:25:43,454 Give us one good reason why we'd be in business with you again. 529 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:49,112 That's two good reasons. 530 00:25:49,156 --> 00:25:51,550 There was no sense of what the brand was. 531 00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:53,856 Voyager'sthe biggest thing there and they all have high hopes 532 00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,119 that it's going to bust UPN into the stratosphere. 533 00:25:56,163 --> 00:25:59,558 Well, it hadn't, but UPN doubled down. 534 00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:04,824 The feeling was that something needed to give some oomph to the show. 535 00:26:04,867 --> 00:26:08,436 And it's not like they could rely on Captain Janeway's love life 536 00:26:08,479 --> 00:26:09,916 to spice things up. 537 00:26:09,959 --> 00:26:13,180 They were extremely mindful of writing for a woman. 538 00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:18,968 There was a little less of the bravado of Kirk or the daring-do of Picard. 539 00:26:19,012 --> 00:26:23,625 And a little more of the humanity and warmth that we so often think, 540 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:26,628 in this culture, belongs to the female gender. 541 00:26:26,672 --> 00:26:28,456 It may have been a noble approach, 542 00:26:28,499 --> 00:26:30,763 but it left the writers backed into a corner 543 00:26:30,806 --> 00:26:33,635 when it came to adding a little bit of on-screen sizzle. 544 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:36,377 I'd given up any hope of a marriage, 545 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:38,771 any hope of having a child of my own. 546 00:26:38,814 --> 00:26:42,296 Well, I guess that's what we get for having a woman in the captain's seat. 547 00:26:42,339 --> 00:26:45,168 Because what really unnerved the producers 548 00:26:45,212 --> 00:26:49,085 was the prospect of a female captain with desires. 549 00:26:49,129 --> 00:26:50,565 Get out. 550 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:54,264 They were so concerned that the audience might think 551 00:26:54,308 --> 00:26:59,879 that Janeway has a thing for Q, that they took that, kind of, 552 00:26:59,922 --> 00:27:03,099 color off of our palette. 553 00:27:03,143 --> 00:27:05,754 But so she wouldn't be completely sexless, 554 00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:09,062 they designed a safe, romantic companion for her. 555 00:27:09,105 --> 00:27:12,456 An interesting and intriguing man... 556 00:27:14,458 --> 00:27:19,681 who could challenge her and yet be compassionate with her. 557 00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:21,727 There was only one man who fit the bill. 558 00:27:21,770 --> 00:27:23,903 I loved all the Leonardo da Vinci stuff. 559 00:27:23,946 --> 00:27:25,818 Welcome! 560 00:27:25,861 --> 00:27:29,517 That's right. The 16th century Italian Renaissance man. 561 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,041 Or at least a holographic projection of him. 562 00:27:32,085 --> 00:27:36,567 There was a group of very, sort of, strident women, 563 00:27:36,611 --> 00:27:41,050 who were infuriated that we would have her 564 00:27:41,094 --> 00:27:45,881 have a relationship with a mock person, rather than a real person. 565 00:27:45,925 --> 00:27:49,537 That somehow that lessened her or denigrated her. 566 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:52,105 This is Leonardo da Vinci we're talking about. 567 00:27:52,148 --> 00:27:53,846 Simulation or not, 568 00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:56,239 he's one of the greatest creative minds in Earth's history. 569 00:27:57,458 --> 00:27:59,678 In my mind, it was the perfect solution 570 00:27:59,721 --> 00:28:03,986 because it was the place she could go when she needed to talk about something 571 00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:06,815 and have a friend who would talk about it with her. 572 00:28:06,859 --> 00:28:09,731 But during the years adrift in space, 573 00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:12,168 other relationships had blossomed. 574 00:28:12,212 --> 00:28:15,084 The Doctor had a very unique relationship with Kes 575 00:28:15,128 --> 00:28:19,088 because, ostensibly, he was mentoring her as his medical assistant. 576 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:21,090 What are the bones of the middle ear? 577 00:28:21,134 --> 00:28:23,092 Malleus, incus and stapes. 578 00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:28,054 But she really was mentoring him in his developing sense of entitlement. 579 00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:29,882 as a... as an artificial intelligence. 580 00:28:29,925 --> 00:28:34,060 Doctor, did you notice how rudely that officer treated you? 581 00:28:34,103 --> 00:28:36,410 Not more so than most. 582 00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,108 Kes and the Doctor were doing their part to keepVoyager on the air. 583 00:28:39,152 --> 00:28:42,285 She was, uh, an extraordinary actor, 584 00:28:42,329 --> 00:28:46,420 um, absolutely unedited and present. 585 00:28:46,463 --> 00:28:51,033 Despite some gripping performances, it became clear the actress 586 00:28:51,077 --> 00:28:52,905 was in the grip of something else. 587 00:28:52,948 --> 00:28:58,606 She began to become distracted, inattentive. 588 00:28:58,649 --> 00:29:00,477 There was just something off. 589 00:29:00,521 --> 00:29:02,349 Well, if you say hello, "Hey, Jenny. How you doing?" 590 00:29:02,392 --> 00:29:04,133 You don't, you're not sure what kind of response 591 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:05,787 you're going to get back from her. 592 00:29:05,831 --> 00:29:09,660 Jennifer was extremely quiet and private. 593 00:29:09,704 --> 00:29:11,401 Really monosyllabic. 594 00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:13,708 We don't know what was going on in her life. 595 00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:18,582 But whatever it was, it didn't allow her to perform her duties on set. 596 00:29:18,626 --> 00:29:20,933 The previously focused actress 597 00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:24,066 was turning into a multi-take factory. 598 00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:25,415 One more time, please. 599 00:29:25,459 --> 00:29:28,027 And you have to take two, take three, take four. 600 00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:32,509 I asked her to come into my office and probed gently 601 00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:34,816 to see if there was something going on in her life, 602 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:37,340 if there's anything I could help her with, 603 00:29:37,384 --> 00:29:40,082 and she simply wouldn't speak at all. 604 00:29:40,126 --> 00:29:42,389 She completely shut down. 605 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:44,739 I don't think anyone knows what was going on, 606 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:48,177 but clearly there was something emotionally upset, 607 00:29:48,221 --> 00:29:51,920 And, I think, all of us were kind of getting the... 608 00:29:51,964 --> 00:29:55,881 the feeling that Jennifer, maybe, really didn't want to be there. 609 00:29:55,924 --> 00:29:58,579 I think, maybe, the grind was starting to get to her. 610 00:29:58,622 --> 00:30:01,277 Sadly, the producers never got to the bottom 611 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:03,627 of whatever was troubling the actress. 612 00:30:03,671 --> 00:30:06,848 She would not, um, open up about it. 613 00:30:06,892 --> 00:30:10,069 She would not consider getting any help for it. 614 00:30:10,112 --> 00:30:12,419 It was more powerful than she was, 615 00:30:12,462 --> 00:30:15,117 and she was, simply, unable to continue. 616 00:30:15,161 --> 00:30:17,903 With one of the most popular characters in trouble 617 00:30:17,946 --> 00:30:20,166 and ratings still sliding, 618 00:30:20,209 --> 00:30:23,299 by the end of season three, it was obvious. 619 00:30:23,343 --> 00:30:25,998 You have a network that's demanding changes. 620 00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:28,348 And resistance was futile. 621 00:30:32,308 --> 00:30:35,572 Due to actress, Jennifer Lien's personal crisis, 622 00:30:35,616 --> 00:30:39,707 Star Trek: Voyager was set to lose a crew member in season four. 623 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:41,927 Jeri Taylor fought the network 624 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:45,234 who wanted to just cut things off, you know, "Oh, she's gone." 625 00:30:45,278 --> 00:30:48,455 And Jeri's like, "No, she deserves the dignity of a farewell as a character." 626 00:30:48,498 --> 00:30:51,197 So Kes got a glowing goodbye. 627 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,025 The way that we wrote her out was, kind of, 628 00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:55,201 like killing her off, in that, she sort of evolved 629 00:30:55,244 --> 00:30:57,986 into a greater form of energy. 630 00:30:58,030 --> 00:31:00,771 With the departure of a popular character 631 00:31:00,815 --> 00:31:02,948 and ratings in a downward spiral, 632 00:31:02,991 --> 00:31:06,038 Voyager would live or die by season four. 633 00:31:06,081 --> 00:31:11,478 And so, producers came up with a plan best summed up in four words. 634 00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:13,610 Bring back the Borg. 635 00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:15,395 My God! 636 00:31:15,438 --> 00:31:17,963 Everybody was really excited to be able to use the Borg. 637 00:31:18,006 --> 00:31:20,922 Star Trek was returning to the tried and true. 638 00:31:20,966 --> 00:31:25,579 The Borg, a villainous alien species fromThe Next Generation, 639 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:29,583 would be imported as a way to introduce some danger. 640 00:31:29,626 --> 00:31:31,977 The Borg are going to be our Klingons in the Delta Quadrant. 641 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:34,370 They're going to be our recurring villain. 642 00:31:34,414 --> 00:31:37,504 Because, you know, obviously, it had been established in The Next Generation 643 00:31:37,547 --> 00:31:39,941 that Borg was in the Delta Quadrant, and here we were, 644 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:41,073 in the Delta Quadrant. 645 00:31:41,116 --> 00:31:43,510 Their space appears to be vast. 646 00:31:43,553 --> 00:31:47,079 It includes thousands of solar systems, all Borg. 647 00:31:47,122 --> 00:31:50,430 But the return of the Borg was only half the story. 648 00:31:52,649 --> 00:31:55,261 We had the first all digital villain, I believe, 649 00:31:55,304 --> 00:31:58,003 in all of Star Trek, which I called 9-0-2-1-0. 650 00:31:58,046 --> 00:31:59,091 Point 2-3-4. 651 00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:00,396 6-7-5-3-0-9. 652 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,484 It's actually... 653 00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:03,486 Species 8-4-7-2. 654 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:06,011 Species 8-4-7-2 was designed to be like 655 00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:08,230 the scariest aliens that we had encountered yet. 656 00:32:08,274 --> 00:32:10,015 With a scary price tag. 657 00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:11,625 This was in the early days of CGI 658 00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:14,062 and having a CG character was expensive and difficult. 659 00:32:14,106 --> 00:32:16,586 You know, we only were able to see that creature 660 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:18,893 fifteen-eighteen seconds worth of film, maybe. 661 00:32:18,937 --> 00:32:21,983 But not even the power of 1990s computing 662 00:32:22,027 --> 00:32:24,551 could outmatch what they had planned next. 663 00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:26,509 What if there was a Borg crew member? 664 00:32:26,553 --> 00:32:29,338 The answer to that question became a character, 665 00:32:29,382 --> 00:32:32,689 that would pose all sorts of challenges for theVoyager crew. 666 00:32:32,733 --> 00:32:34,604 Her original name was Para, 667 00:32:34,648 --> 00:32:36,563 in the meetings that they had. 668 00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:39,000 But they always knew that her name was going to be a number. 669 00:32:39,044 --> 00:32:41,089 Seven of Nine. 670 00:32:41,133 --> 00:32:43,700 Numbers destined to become the bane of Captain Janeway's life. 671 00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:46,181 And this is Janeway who's about to take the biggest risk... 672 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:48,531 a captain has ever taken. 673 00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:50,838 Where Janeway wants to make a deal with a Borg. 674 00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:54,189 The present situation requires that we consider your plan. 675 00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:56,757 We had treated the Borg just as this mass, 676 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,108 you know, that they specifically did not have individuality. 677 00:33:00,152 --> 00:33:04,025 And yet, we had to develop this individual character 678 00:33:04,069 --> 00:33:07,115 who had been, you know, assimilated when she was a child. 679 00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:11,076 And so, had not grown up as an individual herself. 680 00:33:12,816 --> 00:33:14,470 And so, once we kind of freed her from the collective, 681 00:33:14,514 --> 00:33:15,689 you know, against her will, 682 00:33:15,732 --> 00:33:19,258 then it was like she almost had to go back 683 00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:21,347 to being a child again in a way 684 00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:24,611 to define her own personality and her own voice. 685 00:33:24,654 --> 00:33:27,048 Seven of Nine gave us the opportunity to show 686 00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:31,270 the struggle of somebody who's been as badly broken as a human can be 687 00:33:31,313 --> 00:33:35,230 and watch her journey back to humanity. 688 00:33:35,274 --> 00:33:37,232 And that's not something that had been done before. 689 00:33:37,276 --> 00:33:40,409 The inspiration for casting was to move as far away 690 00:33:40,453 --> 00:33:42,759 from the traditionally Borg as possible. 691 00:33:42,803 --> 00:33:45,153 And maybe it's a very statuesque, 692 00:33:45,197 --> 00:33:48,330 you know, we talked about kind of a Grace Kelly, cool demeanor. 693 00:33:48,374 --> 00:33:50,245 Or put another way... 694 00:33:50,289 --> 00:33:52,508 - A babe. -A Borg babe. 695 00:33:52,552 --> 00:33:54,989 We had lots of casting sessions 696 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:57,470 because we needed a good actor. 697 00:33:57,513 --> 00:34:00,038 Producers considered a number of actors. 698 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:02,344 But in the end... 699 00:34:02,388 --> 00:34:06,218 Michael, Jerry and I all agreed on Miss Ryan. 700 00:34:06,261 --> 00:34:07,915 That's, Jeri Ryan. 701 00:34:07,958 --> 00:34:12,311 It truly was not Jeri Ryan's appearance that got her the job. 702 00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:14,443 She read it the best of anyone. 703 00:34:14,487 --> 00:34:16,315 I wanted Seven of Nine to come on 704 00:34:16,358 --> 00:34:18,882 and freshen up each and every character 705 00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:21,494 and have her own relationship with each character. 706 00:34:21,537 --> 00:34:24,366 This was a case of being careful what you wish for. 707 00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:26,194 All of a sudden, a new woman arrives, 708 00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:30,633 who is part alien and who is stunning. 709 00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:34,246 And the press put a lot of focus on to her. 710 00:34:34,289 --> 00:34:36,552 Which was music to UPN's ears. 711 00:34:36,596 --> 00:34:38,467 She became very popular. 712 00:34:38,511 --> 00:34:40,513 Please welcome the lovely Jeri Ryan. 713 00:34:40,556 --> 00:34:43,168 Which was exactly what producers had wanted. 714 00:34:43,211 --> 00:34:45,692 I think people that weren't in the Star Trekworld, 715 00:34:45,735 --> 00:34:48,999 or fans of Star Trek were made aware of this. 716 00:34:49,043 --> 00:34:50,262 This new character coming on, 717 00:34:50,305 --> 00:34:52,264 I mean, there was a huge amount of publicity. 718 00:34:52,307 --> 00:34:56,398 So we had a lot of new eyes on Voyager that we didn't have before. 719 00:34:56,442 --> 00:34:58,661 -However... - It upset the cast. 720 00:34:58,705 --> 00:35:00,881 Some people were really bothered by this. 721 00:35:00,924 --> 00:35:03,013 The issue that I had with Seven of Nine's character 722 00:35:03,057 --> 00:35:06,974 is that she sounded a lot like I did, which is redundant. 723 00:35:07,017 --> 00:35:11,805 You are erratic, conflicted, disorganized. 724 00:35:11,848 --> 00:35:15,025 Every decision is debated, every action questioned. 725 00:35:15,069 --> 00:35:16,984 If you have a diverse cast, 726 00:35:17,027 --> 00:35:19,378 and every cast member plays off the other. 727 00:35:19,421 --> 00:35:21,989 If you have two characters that are too similar, 728 00:35:22,032 --> 00:35:23,904 then you don't get that dynamic. 729 00:35:23,947 --> 00:35:27,429 So, onscreen conflict was mirrored by offscreen tension. 730 00:35:27,473 --> 00:35:31,564 I'd prefer not to discuss Seven of Nine. 731 00:35:31,607 --> 00:35:35,220 And I think that I was startled by her presence, 732 00:35:35,263 --> 00:35:38,571 and I think the tension and the electricity between us 733 00:35:38,614 --> 00:35:40,138 was quite palpable. 734 00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:42,879 You could come in and do all this work 735 00:35:42,923 --> 00:35:45,447 and carry the show as the lead character 736 00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:47,841 and then to have to take a backseat. 737 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,800 Producers had introduced a breath of fresh air, 738 00:35:50,844 --> 00:35:54,239 only to find the core cast gasping for oxygen. 739 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:01,855 Seven of Nine had made a splash with viewers, 740 00:36:01,898 --> 00:36:04,074 but now found herself navigating 741 00:36:04,118 --> 00:36:07,252 troubled waters on an increasingly rancorous set. 742 00:36:07,295 --> 00:36:10,298 Voyagerbecomes a more unpleasant place to work. 743 00:36:10,342 --> 00:36:12,953 I get so many close ups, if she gets a close up, I get a close up. 744 00:36:12,996 --> 00:36:15,216 There was times where one wouldn't come out of the trailer, 745 00:36:15,260 --> 00:36:17,392 until the other one came out of the trailer. 746 00:36:17,436 --> 00:36:20,003 I remember one day, I was coming on to the set in the morning, 747 00:36:20,047 --> 00:36:21,918 Kate comes storming up to me 748 00:36:21,962 --> 00:36:24,921 and she said, "Why do you shoot her that way?" 749 00:36:24,965 --> 00:36:27,533 And I said, "What are you talking about?" 750 00:36:27,576 --> 00:36:30,318 She said, "Well, you do these shots along her body 751 00:36:30,362 --> 00:36:32,015 "and you do this and you do that." 752 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:33,408 I didn't know what to tell her 753 00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:35,105 because it was true that I was doing that. 754 00:36:35,149 --> 00:36:37,195 But also it's because 755 00:36:37,238 --> 00:36:40,850 you can't help, but show her physicality. 756 00:36:40,894 --> 00:36:43,157 I felt she was objectified a bit. 757 00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,942 Because you have to remember Voyagerwent on the air 758 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:48,467 as a feminist statement. 759 00:36:50,033 --> 00:36:53,341 Yeah. We really embraced her looks. 760 00:36:53,776 --> 00:36:54,995 We did. 761 00:36:55,038 --> 00:36:57,302 I mean, that outfit was, was something else. 762 00:36:57,345 --> 00:37:00,130 And for the show's star, it seemed like the arrival 763 00:37:00,174 --> 00:37:02,916 of Jeri Ryan wasn't exactly welcomed. 764 00:37:02,959 --> 00:37:05,310 I can definitely see Kate being threatened. 765 00:37:05,353 --> 00:37:07,964 Kate is human, I've worked with her a lot. 766 00:37:08,008 --> 00:37:10,489 But that's something actors are taught. 767 00:37:10,532 --> 00:37:11,707 No, you've got to fight for yourself. 768 00:37:11,751 --> 00:37:12,795 You've got to fight for your lines. 769 00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,188 You got to fight for your scenes. 770 00:37:14,232 --> 00:37:15,450 You got to fight for your publicity. 771 00:37:15,494 --> 00:37:17,147 All you have is your name. 772 00:37:17,191 --> 00:37:19,237 It's just fear, and all that comes from fear. 773 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,239 The battle lines had been drawn, 774 00:37:21,282 --> 00:37:23,371 and cast members found themselves 775 00:37:23,415 --> 00:37:25,547 having to choose a side. 776 00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:29,812 I stepped away, I stepped back and just allowed things to settle. 777 00:37:29,856 --> 00:37:33,294 I felt terrible for Kate 778 00:37:33,338 --> 00:37:38,256 because it was, I think, very difficult for her. 779 00:37:38,299 --> 00:37:41,694 Jeri was just trying to do her job. 780 00:37:41,737 --> 00:37:45,654 Why screw it up with these stupid, uh, ego things. 781 00:37:45,698 --> 00:37:48,483 But whatever friction was going on behind the scenes, 782 00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:52,270 it was somehow creating real electricity on screen. 783 00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:55,751 In the end, that relationship between Janeway and Seven of Nine 784 00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:58,232 was not only classic, but essential, 785 00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:01,496 I think, to the growth and the movement of Voyager. 786 00:38:01,540 --> 00:38:03,759 It only served the relationship 787 00:38:03,803 --> 00:38:05,979 and Jeri Ryan did a wonderful job. 788 00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:09,374 There was depth to the character. 789 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:13,291 The wild child coming in and discovering humanity 790 00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:16,294 turned out to be really the heart of the show. 791 00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:18,600 You're experiencing difficult emotions. 792 00:38:19,688 --> 00:38:23,475 Guilt, shame, remorse. 793 00:38:23,518 --> 00:38:25,825 Then you haven't lost your humanity. 794 00:38:25,868 --> 00:38:28,349 I think it ends up a being completely effective 795 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:31,657 addition to the cast, and also her performance was extraordinary. 796 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,487 Jeri was incredibly talented and for any lingering thoughts 797 00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:37,706 that, "Oh, they've just hired a bimbo here." 798 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:40,535 I mean, that was quickly put to rest. 799 00:38:40,579 --> 00:38:42,363 Just the person I was looking for. 800 00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:45,366 She brought that miraculous nuance. 801 00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:50,023 She's both kind of invulnerable and vulnerable at the same time. 802 00:38:50,066 --> 00:38:51,459 She just got better and better. 803 00:38:51,503 --> 00:38:54,201 So, we kind of hit a home run with her. 804 00:38:54,244 --> 00:38:58,684 As real life traumas reduced cast morale to a new low, 805 00:38:58,727 --> 00:39:00,338 the show reached a new high. 806 00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:03,819 The introduction of Jeri Ryan briefly did help the ratings. 807 00:39:03,863 --> 00:39:05,647 People don't give up on us so soon. 808 00:39:05,691 --> 00:39:09,608 But even with Seven of Nine and a spike in ratings, 809 00:39:09,651 --> 00:39:14,221 you might start wondering whether the problem wasn'tVoyager's at all. 810 00:39:14,264 --> 00:39:17,529 We were at a disadvantage in terms of outreach. 811 00:39:17,572 --> 00:39:20,183 Some regions didn't carry UPN. 812 00:39:21,402 --> 00:39:23,099 - Plain and simple. - In a lot of cases, 813 00:39:23,143 --> 00:39:25,363 where some bad UHF channels. 814 00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:28,540 UPN even get with a pair of rabbit ears on a TV. 815 00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:31,499 It was, like, the worst situation you want to be in, 816 00:39:31,543 --> 00:39:34,415 the flagship show for UPN. 817 00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:35,416 God help him. 818 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:40,552 With the producers doing everything right, 819 00:39:40,595 --> 00:39:43,163 UPN just couldn't attract viewers, 820 00:39:44,294 --> 00:39:46,427 but it got even worse. 821 00:39:46,471 --> 00:39:49,778 I had made the decision before season four started 822 00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:51,737 that I was going to retire at the end of it, 823 00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:54,566 and it was time, I was ready. 824 00:39:54,609 --> 00:39:57,133 Into the void stepped Brannon Braga 825 00:39:57,177 --> 00:39:59,658 as co-executive producer and show runner. 826 00:39:59,701 --> 00:40:02,443 Brannon was the person who had, sort of, risen 827 00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:06,360 and the one who seemed like he had the chops 828 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:08,754 I was completely caught off-guard by it, 829 00:40:09,624 --> 00:40:11,670 but got excited at the idea. 830 00:40:11,713 --> 00:40:14,499 Braga's involvement in the show was about to go much deeper 831 00:40:14,542 --> 00:40:16,849 than his predecessors might have liked. 832 00:40:16,892 --> 00:40:19,939 Jeri Ryan and I became involved in season five. 833 00:40:19,982 --> 00:40:21,941 And they started living together. 834 00:40:21,984 --> 00:40:24,204 The furore of Seven of Nine's arrival 835 00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:28,034 and unexpected rise had only just started to die down. 836 00:40:28,077 --> 00:40:30,384 I'm sure that actually just added fuel to the fire. 837 00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:32,168 How is it ever fair? 838 00:40:32,212 --> 00:40:34,997 You're dating somebody who you have the ear of all the time. 839 00:40:35,041 --> 00:40:36,651 You know, you write for your girlfriend 840 00:40:36,695 --> 00:40:38,914 and it was a very difficult situation for everybody. 841 00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:43,571 I remember the day I had to go to Kate Mulgrew's trailer to tell her 842 00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:46,400 because I knew that Jeri and I were becoming more serious 843 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:52,101 and I told Kate and she was absolutely wonderful, 844 00:40:52,145 --> 00:40:54,626 and she said, "Are you in love?" 845 00:40:56,976 --> 00:41:00,153 I said, "Yes," and she said, "I'm happy for you." 846 00:41:00,196 --> 00:41:02,721 Kate was amazing, but I like to think 847 00:41:02,764 --> 00:41:06,855 it didn't affect my job being the boss at that point. 848 00:41:06,899 --> 00:41:09,902 Robert Beltran decided to test that. 849 00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:12,818 Jeri and I were sitting in the makeup table getting ready 850 00:41:12,861 --> 00:41:15,516 and I said, "You know, Jeri, I would like to have a scene 851 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,955 "where Chakotay kisses you, but it will never happen. 852 00:41:19,999 --> 00:41:22,001 "Because Brannon would get jealous," 853 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:25,483 and she laughs. 854 00:41:25,526 --> 00:41:27,310 "Oh, my God, I'm going to tell him what you said. 855 00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:29,617 "That is so funny." 856 00:41:29,661 --> 00:41:33,316 And I said, "Yeah, tell him I don't think he has the balls to write a scene like that." 857 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,362 Oh, Brannon had the balls all right. 858 00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:37,103 Remain still? 859 00:41:37,146 --> 00:41:40,933 And he was juggling them. A lot of balls actually. 860 00:41:40,976 --> 00:41:42,761 As the season goes on, 861 00:41:42,804 --> 00:41:46,504 it is, like, running as fast as you can to keep up with production. 862 00:41:46,547 --> 00:41:49,507 We were all really, really fatigued. 863 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:51,944 We used to get our revisions insights 864 00:41:51,987 --> 00:41:54,729 at 12 o'clock at night, for the next day, 865 00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:56,339 so we would be in the makeup chair 866 00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:59,212 trying to learn whatever the revisions were for that day. 867 00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:01,823 And those days were typically really long. 868 00:42:01,867 --> 00:42:04,913 They averaged 15 hours, 16 hours. 869 00:42:04,957 --> 00:42:07,263 And the schedule was overwhelming, 870 00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:09,570 not least for the show runner himself. 871 00:42:09,614 --> 00:42:12,573 I remember one day in my backyard 872 00:42:12,617 --> 00:42:14,575 thinking about a story, 873 00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:17,622 and I remember it was like walking to a brick wall. 874 00:42:17,665 --> 00:42:19,972 And I went, "Oh, I think I'm done. 875 00:42:20,015 --> 00:42:21,756 "I think I have to move on from the show," 876 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,192 like, I was getting burned out. 877 00:42:23,236 --> 00:42:25,238 Brannon stayed withStar Trek, 878 00:42:25,281 --> 00:42:28,502 but beamed over to a new series, Enterprise. 879 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:32,680 Leaving Kenneth Biller in-charge ofVoyager's climactic final season. 880 00:42:32,724 --> 00:42:35,291 A lot of people wanted to see us come home, 881 00:42:35,335 --> 00:42:37,729 and that would have been the story 882 00:42:37,772 --> 00:42:40,645 that, you know, everybody expected them to write. 883 00:42:40,688 --> 00:42:46,215 I had always envisioned the last shot of the series 884 00:42:46,259 --> 00:42:52,091 with Voyagerlanding and the families all being there, 885 00:42:52,134 --> 00:42:55,964 and the crew getting off of the ship and they're home. 886 00:42:56,008 --> 00:42:59,925 - And Janeway's dog runs out. - And, yes, Janeway's dog runs up. 887 00:42:59,968 --> 00:43:02,492 And, in fact, I tell everybody 888 00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:05,234 that they're not going to do what you expect them to do. 889 00:43:05,278 --> 00:43:07,280 But for the series finale, 890 00:43:07,323 --> 00:43:09,761 Voyager suddenly came home. 891 00:43:11,153 --> 00:43:13,460 Which, indeed, took fans by surprise. 892 00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:15,767 Yeah. 893 00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:18,726 Slyly jumping twenty-six years into the future. 894 00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:21,120 Computer, end display. 895 00:43:21,163 --> 00:43:23,165 We only did a flash of it in the episode. 896 00:43:23,209 --> 00:43:24,950 You could see the Voyager coming through. 897 00:43:24,993 --> 00:43:27,692 There was just a newsreel playback or something she's watching. 898 00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:29,476 I was not satisfied with the way it ended. 899 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,523 I really, really didn't like it. 900 00:43:33,567 --> 00:43:35,482 After seven long seasons, 901 00:43:35,525 --> 00:43:39,529 Voyager had completed its mission, but at grave cost. 902 00:43:39,573 --> 00:43:42,576 I'm your friend, Kathryn Janeway, remember? 903 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,926 Lieutenant Tuvok lost his mind. 904 00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:46,406 You're an impostor. 905 00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:48,974 And with Chakotay and Seven of Nine dead, 906 00:43:49,017 --> 00:43:51,150 it was up toVoyager's captain, 907 00:43:51,193 --> 00:43:54,327 now an admiral, to right her wrongs. 908 00:43:54,370 --> 00:43:58,026 But when I'm through, things might be better for all of us. 909 00:43:58,070 --> 00:44:01,639 Because it could all be fixed with a little time travel. 910 00:44:03,292 --> 00:44:05,555 I thought it was a great showcase for Kate Mulgrew 911 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,558 because she had to play two different versions of herself. 912 00:44:08,602 --> 00:44:11,126 Am I the only one experiencing deja vu here? 913 00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:13,868 It was the captain's responsibility to get us back home, 914 00:44:13,912 --> 00:44:15,957 and that's why they wrote it the way they did. 915 00:44:16,001 --> 00:44:18,220 And they focused it on Kate, it's Kate's story. 916 00:44:18,264 --> 00:44:20,440 In a tour de force performance, 917 00:44:20,483 --> 00:44:22,703 Kate Mulgrew does it all. 918 00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:26,098 Kate filled that role in every way imaginable. 919 00:44:26,141 --> 00:44:27,708 Now, Mr. Tuvok. 920 00:44:27,752 --> 00:44:31,016 As Admiral Janeway, sacrifices herself, 921 00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:33,279 defeating the Borg, 922 00:44:33,322 --> 00:44:36,456 while Captain Janeway brings the crew home. 923 00:44:36,499 --> 00:44:38,284 Safe and sound. 924 00:44:39,459 --> 00:44:40,547 We did it. 925 00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:44,377 The last episode ended with a bang. 926 00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:47,728 But on set, the bang was more of a whimper. 927 00:44:47,772 --> 00:44:50,557 They were taking the briefing room set apart 928 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,472 the moment we uttered the last line, 929 00:44:52,515 --> 00:44:54,387 the walls were coming down, 930 00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:57,129 so that they could build the new Enterpriseset in its place. 931 00:44:57,172 --> 00:44:58,652 That kind of bothered me. 932 00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:00,741 You're just watching, literally, watching the show 933 00:45:00,785 --> 00:45:02,656 disintegrate in front of your eyes. 934 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:04,963 We were all a little bit upset, 935 00:45:05,006 --> 00:45:08,227 the fact that there wasn't more thought about making the last day, 936 00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:11,360 perhaps, a group scene that we could all be together. 937 00:45:11,404 --> 00:45:13,406 And, no, Rick Berman didn't come down to the set 938 00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:16,801 to say thank you and goodbye or anything like that. 939 00:45:16,844 --> 00:45:20,108 I think our cast had the, uh, 940 00:45:20,152 --> 00:45:22,720 "don't let the door hit you in the ass" feeling. 941 00:45:22,763 --> 00:45:26,941 That goodbye wasn't ever really a goodbye. 942 00:45:26,985 --> 00:45:30,902 There are some series that quit when they're ahead 943 00:45:30,945 --> 00:45:34,862 and you feel like they could have gone on for a little longer. 944 00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:39,214 I have the feeling that Voyagerwas done, 945 00:45:39,258 --> 00:45:41,521 when it was done. 946 00:45:41,564 --> 00:45:44,132 There was not anything left to mine in it. 947 00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:47,092 UPN would limp on for a few more years, 948 00:45:47,135 --> 00:45:51,139 before also going quietly off the air. 949 00:45:51,183 --> 00:45:53,794 Despite all of Voyager's struggles, 950 00:45:53,838 --> 00:45:55,404 you cannot deny the fact that... 951 00:45:55,448 --> 00:45:58,886 Seven years is a good run for a show. 952 00:45:58,930 --> 00:46:02,020 ...and that's where this story might well have ended. 953 00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:04,674 But years after it's got first run, 954 00:46:04,718 --> 00:46:06,328 I am thrilled and amazed 955 00:46:06,372 --> 00:46:08,809 that streaming has been so kind of Voyager. 956 00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:10,898 It's enabled a whole new generation 957 00:46:10,942 --> 00:46:15,076 of young fans to discover and appreciate Captain Janeway. 958 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,863 I saw what it meant to these young women... 959 00:46:18,906 --> 00:46:21,387 -Admiral. -...to have a woman in command. 960 00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:23,911 And I'll never forget one girl, she said, 961 00:46:23,955 --> 00:46:26,827 "You know, my father and I watched Janeway 962 00:46:26,871 --> 00:46:29,612 "and these were in the early days of my education, 963 00:46:29,656 --> 00:46:32,398 "when I really thought I was going to go into research, 964 00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:35,053 "and by the end of the first season, I turned to my father 965 00:46:35,096 --> 00:46:37,185 "and I said, I'm not going to stay in an office. 966 00:46:37,229 --> 00:46:39,274 "I want to go up." 967 00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:42,800 You've had this whole generation of fans, especially the girls, 968 00:46:42,843 --> 00:46:44,236 I call the "Janeway's Army," 969 00:46:44,279 --> 00:46:47,717 that have taken to heart everything about Voyager. 970 00:46:47,761 --> 00:46:49,937 What an extraordinary opportunity 971 00:46:49,981 --> 00:46:52,679 as an actress to drive this forward. 972 00:46:52,722 --> 00:46:56,901 And because I was the first, there's a kind of terrific pride in this. 973 00:46:56,944 --> 00:46:59,686 So, I hope that they take from that pride, 974 00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:02,210 their own sense of pride. 975 00:47:02,254 --> 00:47:04,517 Find out who you are, have the courage 976 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:06,824 to be who you are and own it. 977 00:47:06,867 --> 00:47:09,261 Voyager has proven to be as popular 978 00:47:09,304 --> 00:47:11,437 as it has been inspirational. 979 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,308 I think it's amazing that the top ten 980 00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:16,181 streaming shows of all the Star Treks, 981 00:47:16,224 --> 00:47:18,966 six of them of the top ten are fromVoyager. 982 00:47:19,010 --> 00:47:21,273 No small feat given the competition 983 00:47:21,316 --> 00:47:24,624 from well over half a century of science fiction. 984 00:47:24,667 --> 00:47:29,237 If you stand back and look at the entire franchise 985 00:47:29,281 --> 00:47:32,893 from the original to today, it's huge. 986 00:47:32,937 --> 00:47:35,156 It's just unbelievable. 987 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,943 To be precise, 79 original series episodes, 988 00:47:38,986 --> 00:47:40,901 twenty-two animated episodes, 989 00:47:40,945 --> 00:47:44,513 six original cast movies, fourNext Generation movies, 990 00:47:44,557 --> 00:47:46,864 seven seasons of theNext Generation, 991 00:47:46,907 --> 00:47:48,648 seven more ofDeep Space Nine, 992 00:47:48,691 --> 00:47:51,607 seven ofVoyager, four ofStar Trek: Enterprise, 993 00:47:51,651 --> 00:47:55,350 four seasons ofDiscovery, two ofPicard, along withLower Decks, 994 00:47:55,394 --> 00:47:58,005 Not to mention, the movies from theKelvin Timeline 995 00:47:58,049 --> 00:48:00,312 and much more to come, 996 00:48:00,355 --> 00:48:03,924 including the return of Captain Janeway inStar Trek: Prodigy. 997 00:48:03,968 --> 00:48:05,665 That's what I mean about Star Trek, 998 00:48:05,708 --> 00:48:08,581 it's just the reverberations are endless. 84236

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