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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:03:23,083 --> 00:03:26,753 I just think we were intensely affected by the beginning of rock 'n' roll, 4 00:03:26,962 --> 00:03:29,131 by Elvis Presley and Lonnie Donegan, 5 00:03:29,297 --> 00:03:31,174 Tommy Steele, The Don Lang Five... 6 00:03:31,341 --> 00:03:34,219 But I really felt the love, the real love of it 7 00:03:34,386 --> 00:03:35,846 is when I heard... Wake Up Little Susie... 8 00:03:36,012 --> 00:03:36,805 by the Everly Brothers. 9 00:03:44,730 --> 00:03:46,773 And I kept on playing it over and over again, 10 00:03:47,107 --> 00:03:48,900 and I kept on hearing these harmonies. 11 00:03:49,317 --> 00:03:50,610 So, when we were singing songs... 12 00:03:50,777 --> 00:03:51,987 heard any Everly Brothers songs, 13 00:03:52,154 --> 00:03:53,947 the three of us would just add a third harmony, 14 00:03:54,239 --> 00:03:55,407 so it would be three-part. 15 00:04:04,666 --> 00:04:05,959 We perfected it from listening... 16 00:04:06,126 --> 00:04:07,627 to those guys and Neil Sedaka, 17 00:04:07,794 --> 00:04:09,171 where he'd actually triple with himself. 18 00:04:09,337 --> 00:04:11,423 So, these three-part harmony songs, 19 00:04:11,757 --> 00:04:13,467 anything like that, we could sing. 20 00:04:13,717 --> 00:04:15,177 We just wanted to get up and play. 21 00:04:15,343 --> 00:04:16,887 Yeah. We just wanted to have fun. 22 00:04:17,053 --> 00:04:19,347 In that degree, it was a hobby. 23 00:04:19,806 --> 00:04:23,810 When did you first get together and discover you could harmonize? 24 00:04:23,977 --> 00:04:25,103 The first time I remember, 25 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:27,105 Robin and I were about six, 26 00:04:27,272 --> 00:04:28,315 Barry was nine, 27 00:04:28,482 --> 00:04:30,609 and we sat in the little lounge room 28 00:04:30,776 --> 00:04:33,028 and Barry'd got his first guitar for his birthday 29 00:04:33,153 --> 00:04:35,113 and the first thing we sang was Lollipop. 30 00:04:35,363 --> 00:04:36,114 Which is... 31 00:04:36,281 --> 00:04:37,699 The Mudlarks sort of thing. 32 00:04:37,866 --> 00:04:39,993 We just automatically harmonized. 33 00:04:40,744 --> 00:04:41,870 Don't ask me where we got Lollipop, 34 00:04:42,037 --> 00:04:42,954 but it was the only one... 35 00:04:43,121 --> 00:04:44,748 that helped us harmonize. 36 00:04:45,165 --> 00:04:46,333 Can you remember it? 37 00:05:01,765 --> 00:05:03,308 We would just sing songs like Lollipop. 38 00:05:03,475 --> 00:05:06,436 We would just sing them and just try and get them better. 39 00:05:06,937 --> 00:05:09,689 I remember Dad coming in and saying, 40 00:05:09,856 --> 00:05:11,066 "I thought you had the radio on." 41 00:05:11,233 --> 00:05:12,859 That was the beginning of the harmonies. 42 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,861 They became instinctive for us... 43 00:05:15,070 --> 00:05:15,987 because we loved the oldies. 44 00:05:16,154 --> 00:05:18,031 It's incredible, considering how young we were. 45 00:05:18,198 --> 00:05:21,076 I was about nine and Maurice and Robin were about six. 46 00:05:21,785 --> 00:05:23,787 We often thought we were triplets at one time 47 00:05:23,954 --> 00:05:26,081 because we all had the same goal, 48 00:05:26,248 --> 00:05:28,208 the ultimate goal of just singing together. 49 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:30,585 I would say we'd be more three brothers... 50 00:05:30,752 --> 00:05:32,170 than twins and an older brother. 51 00:05:32,546 --> 00:05:34,840 Musical creativity ran right through our family. 52 00:05:35,006 --> 00:05:38,134 Our father was a band leader during the war, 53 00:05:38,552 --> 00:05:41,346 and he then led the band on the ferry 54 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,598 between Liverpool and the Isle of Man. 55 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:46,017 Work was pretty difficult in the late '50s... 56 00:05:46,184 --> 00:05:47,519 for my dad to come up with. 57 00:05:47,686 --> 00:05:48,979 He needed a fresh start, 58 00:05:49,145 --> 00:05:51,022 and he was still young enough to do that. 59 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:52,732 And he had a responsibility for us, 60 00:05:52,899 --> 00:05:55,819 So we... It was a natural move, to Australia. 61 00:05:55,986 --> 00:05:58,154 He was a very ambitious man and I liked that. 62 00:05:58,321 --> 00:05:59,447 And we all went. 63 00:05:59,614 --> 00:06:02,367 And it was like a six-week trip across the world. 64 00:06:02,534 --> 00:06:03,368 For us, it was an adventure. 65 00:06:03,535 --> 00:06:05,203 We didn't know where we were going. 66 00:06:05,412 --> 00:06:07,455 We got on a ship called The Fairsea... 67 00:06:07,622 --> 00:06:10,125 with our parents, and baby Andy, and our sister, 68 00:06:10,292 --> 00:06:12,544 and traveled for five weeks to Australia, 69 00:06:12,711 --> 00:06:13,378 with very little money. 70 00:06:13,545 --> 00:06:14,254 We had a ball. 71 00:06:14,421 --> 00:06:16,131 We were singing every day on the front of the boat... 72 00:06:16,256 --> 00:06:17,340 in the sun. 73 00:06:17,507 --> 00:06:20,510 - And you crossed the Indian Ocean... - We went on the Fairsea. 74 00:06:20,677 --> 00:06:22,929 ...Went through the Suez Canal, the Red Sea, 75 00:06:23,263 --> 00:06:25,765 and you saw things children our age would... 76 00:06:25,932 --> 00:06:27,559 - It was great! -.. never have seen. 77 00:06:27,726 --> 00:06:29,978 Where we settled was Brisbane, which is quite tropical, 78 00:06:30,145 --> 00:06:32,355 passion fruit on the streets... 79 00:06:32,522 --> 00:06:34,441 and banana trees in everybody's garden. 80 00:06:34,608 --> 00:06:35,901 And then we started working. 81 00:06:36,192 --> 00:06:38,862 We found different places to go and sing. 82 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:41,907 We got the opportunity to sing in a racing arena. 83 00:06:42,073 --> 00:06:43,658 We got to know a driver called Bill Goode. 84 00:06:43,825 --> 00:06:45,285 He said, "You can come and sing." 85 00:06:45,452 --> 00:06:47,037 We sang at the Redcliffe speedway... 86 00:06:47,203 --> 00:06:48,455 on the back of a flatbed truck 87 00:06:48,622 --> 00:06:51,374 and collected about 14 pounds off the track. 88 00:06:51,541 --> 00:06:53,543 People threw money on the track. 89 00:06:53,710 --> 00:06:55,837 That was our first public engagement. 90 00:06:56,254 --> 00:06:57,672 The racing driver who got us the gig... 91 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,633 knew a disc jockey called Bill Gates, 92 00:06:59,799 --> 00:07:01,259 and he told him about us. 93 00:07:01,635 --> 00:07:02,969 And he came, he heard us sing, 94 00:07:03,178 --> 00:07:04,721 and he invited us to the station. 95 00:07:04,888 --> 00:07:06,473 He was a drive-time DJ. 96 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,309 He christened us the Bee Gees as a sort of temporary name, 97 00:07:09,476 --> 00:07:12,062 his initials, Brothers Gibb, Barry. 98 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:15,649 And he asked us to go into his radio station... 99 00:07:15,815 --> 00:07:16,983 and record some songs, 100 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:18,193 original compositions 101 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:19,569 Barry had written. 102 00:07:19,736 --> 00:07:21,321 It was Let Me Love You, 103 00:07:21,488 --> 00:07:22,656 Time Is Passing By, 104 00:07:23,114 --> 00:07:24,032 and The Echo Of Your Love. 105 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:25,951 And he recorded these on acetate. 106 00:07:26,117 --> 00:07:27,994 I n those days, the acetates were the thing. 107 00:07:28,203 --> 00:07:29,162 They didn't have tape... 108 00:07:29,496 --> 00:07:31,206 He played it on his drive-time show... 109 00:07:31,373 --> 00:07:32,123 for a while. 110 00:07:32,499 --> 00:07:33,541 We didn't have a recording contract, 111 00:07:33,708 --> 00:07:34,626 but we were on the radio. 112 00:07:34,793 --> 00:07:36,836 We were only kids and we got the bug, 113 00:07:37,003 --> 00:07:38,880 and we wanted to keep going. 114 00:07:39,047 --> 00:07:40,215 My father then got an agent... 115 00:07:40,382 --> 00:07:41,424 because were getting work... 116 00:07:41,591 --> 00:07:43,677 in the pubs in Brisbane. 117 00:07:43,885 --> 00:07:46,137 And our lives changed, I think, at that point, 118 00:07:46,346 --> 00:07:46,972 because we worked... 119 00:07:47,138 --> 00:07:49,975 and did two to three shows per night. 120 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:51,768 It sustained our family, 121 00:07:52,018 --> 00:07:54,020 but we never thought we'd get rich doing it. 122 00:07:54,854 --> 00:07:56,272 - You all sing together, right? - Right. 123 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,858 And your brother Barry plays. Come on up here. 124 00:07:59,025 --> 00:08:00,151 Our first television shows, 125 00:08:00,318 --> 00:08:03,488 I had become very lanky, very tall and lanky and thin, 126 00:08:03,697 --> 00:08:06,658 and Maurice and Robin were still the same height. 127 00:08:06,825 --> 00:08:09,577 So, what they decided to do was to get two tea chests 128 00:08:10,495 --> 00:08:12,539 and put Robin and Maurice on each tea chest, 129 00:08:12,872 --> 00:08:14,708 so we'd be the same height for the camera. 130 00:08:14,874 --> 00:08:15,875 You're going to stand up on the higher level. 131 00:08:16,251 --> 00:08:17,002 That's the thing. 132 00:08:17,168 --> 00:08:19,546 Now, is it true you write your own pieces, Barry? 133 00:08:19,713 --> 00:08:20,839 Yes, that's true, Desmond. 134 00:08:21,006 --> 00:08:23,258 - And what was the song we sang? - Time Is Passing By. 135 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:01,671 So, we stood there. 136 00:09:01,838 --> 00:09:03,590 I remember Robin and I were stood like this... 137 00:09:03,757 --> 00:09:05,258 with our hands behind our backs going like this. 138 00:09:05,675 --> 00:09:08,636 We didn't know what to do with our hands. 139 00:09:09,095 --> 00:09:11,681 And just standing there going... and singing away. 140 00:09:15,310 --> 00:09:16,853 We used to do all these pop shows, 141 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:18,146 but they were very live, 142 00:09:18,688 --> 00:09:20,315 and there was no such thing as taping shows. 143 00:09:20,648 --> 00:09:21,983 We did various songs... 144 00:09:22,150 --> 00:09:23,610 we'd either written or heard, 145 00:09:23,777 --> 00:09:25,528 songs that were hits at the time. 146 00:09:25,987 --> 00:09:27,405 There was Lollipop, of course, 147 00:09:27,572 --> 00:09:29,741 and songs that people sang in harmony. 148 00:09:40,627 --> 00:09:41,795 We were quite regulars on those shows 149 00:09:41,961 --> 00:09:43,963 for a while as kids, 150 00:09:44,130 --> 00:09:48,635 but we weren't by any means a really professional act. 151 00:09:48,802 --> 00:09:49,969 And it was great experience... 152 00:09:50,136 --> 00:09:52,138 because you were on the spot. 153 00:09:52,764 --> 00:09:55,266 Nothing was pre-recorded. 154 00:09:55,517 --> 00:09:57,018 You picked up your guitar, 155 00:09:57,310 --> 00:09:58,853 and you went on, and you played, and you sang. 156 00:10:09,948 --> 00:10:12,617 Between 1960 and 1965... 157 00:10:13,243 --> 00:10:16,121 was the era of rock-'n'-roll in Australia. 158 00:10:16,496 --> 00:10:17,622 With its own environment, 159 00:10:17,789 --> 00:10:18,873 its own TV stars, 160 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,708 its own pop stars, rock stars, 161 00:10:20,875 --> 00:10:22,669 totally unknown to the rest of the world. 162 00:11:02,417 --> 00:11:04,335 We were on an adventure together, 163 00:11:04,502 --> 00:11:05,628 loving everything we were doing. 164 00:11:05,837 --> 00:11:07,547 We were just hoping we could get more recognition, 165 00:11:07,755 --> 00:11:09,883 but I don't think it was till the Beatles came along... 166 00:11:10,049 --> 00:11:11,926 that we realized... 167 00:11:12,093 --> 00:11:14,345 how much we wanted to have the approval they had. 168 00:11:28,151 --> 00:11:29,444 When the Beatles came to Sydney, 169 00:11:29,611 --> 00:11:30,737 the magic was unbelievable. 170 00:11:30,904 --> 00:11:34,616 The whole city was, like, in this mood of Beatlemania. 171 00:11:34,782 --> 00:11:36,659 I'd never seen anything like this before. 172 00:11:37,118 --> 00:11:38,745 I remember going down Pitt Street 173 00:11:38,912 --> 00:11:40,914 and getting a Beatle Fan Club book, 174 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,790 and looking through what gear they'd got, 175 00:11:42,957 --> 00:11:44,876 what boots they were wearing, what outfits, 176 00:11:45,043 --> 00:11:47,587 what clothes, the amps, the guitars, 177 00:11:47,921 --> 00:11:49,589 the recording session pictures, all this stuff. 178 00:11:49,756 --> 00:11:51,925 I was mesmerized by them 179 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:55,011 because they were doing something that we loved to do... 180 00:11:55,929 --> 00:11:57,180 and they were successful at it. 181 00:12:04,896 --> 00:12:06,773 So we began to believe in ourselves. 182 00:12:06,940 --> 00:12:07,774 We began to believe, 183 00:12:07,941 --> 00:12:10,235 "OK, if they can do it, 184 00:12:10,777 --> 00:12:13,112 then we should be able to... have a go at doing it." 185 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,448 It was not born out of arrogance, 186 00:12:15,615 --> 00:12:17,659 but it was just a blind belief that, 187 00:12:17,825 --> 00:12:19,619 "Hey, you know..." 188 00:12:19,786 --> 00:12:21,246 "Why can't we have a shot at that?" 189 00:12:48,314 --> 00:12:51,526 So, we felt a little bit left out of the Mersey boom. 190 00:12:52,151 --> 00:12:54,070 We wanted to be a part of that. 191 00:12:54,237 --> 00:12:57,198 There was so much energy and so much excitement about it. 192 00:12:57,740 --> 00:12:58,533 That was our world. 193 00:12:58,700 --> 00:12:59,492 We wanted to be apart that... 194 00:12:59,659 --> 00:13:01,786 We're from Manchester. As far as we knew, 195 00:13:01,995 --> 00:13:03,496 we knew we were Isle of Man born, 196 00:13:03,663 --> 00:13:05,540 but brought up as kids in Manchester, 197 00:13:05,790 --> 00:13:08,209 and we were Northern, just like the Beatles. 198 00:13:08,668 --> 00:13:09,669 "What are we doing here?" 199 00:13:10,044 --> 00:13:11,587 Righto, chaps, let's have a check. Flaps? 200 00:13:11,754 --> 00:13:12,422 Check. 201 00:13:12,588 --> 00:13:13,673 - Rudder. - Right. 202 00:13:34,569 --> 00:13:35,111 You have to remember, 203 00:13:35,278 --> 00:13:40,491 this was an era where the U K was dictating what happened in the world... 204 00:13:40,658 --> 00:13:41,701 What happened in the world. 205 00:13:41,868 --> 00:13:43,077 Culturally, musically. 206 00:13:43,244 --> 00:13:45,038 And we had to be where the action was. 207 00:13:45,204 --> 00:13:46,164 London was the hub. 208 00:13:46,331 --> 00:13:47,540 As much as we loved Australia, 209 00:13:47,707 --> 00:13:49,208 we'd had 13 records in a row... 210 00:13:49,375 --> 00:13:51,753 not doing that well at all, record-wise. 211 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:53,338 So we released our last record, 212 00:13:53,504 --> 00:13:55,089 Spicks And Specks, in Australia, 213 00:13:55,256 --> 00:13:57,050 and we decided to go back to England. 214 00:13:57,216 --> 00:13:59,260 We didn't want to miss out on the Mersey boom. 215 00:13:59,427 --> 00:14:01,721 We didn't know it was coming to an end. 216 00:14:01,888 --> 00:14:02,805 We were going to make a shock. 217 00:14:02,972 --> 00:14:07,226 - I was about 18. - Maurice and I were 16. 218 00:14:07,810 --> 00:14:09,604 We told our mother and father that. 219 00:14:09,937 --> 00:14:11,898 We remember that night as being fairly turbulent. 220 00:14:12,065 --> 00:14:15,443 They weren't completely in agreement or in disagreement. 221 00:14:15,902 --> 00:14:18,071 So it was very difficult for Mum and Dad to think, 222 00:14:18,446 --> 00:14:19,197 "Hang on, we're going to have to..." 223 00:14:19,364 --> 00:14:21,657 "Give up making a living" 224 00:14:21,824 --> 00:14:23,076 "in order to take this chance..." 225 00:14:23,242 --> 00:14:24,702 "To get back on a ship..." 226 00:14:24,911 --> 00:14:26,913 "And sail five more weeks" 227 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,248 "back across the world to England" 228 00:14:29,415 --> 00:14:31,876 "on the chance that our three sons think" 229 00:14:32,043 --> 00:14:34,629 "they can be stars or be famous." 230 00:14:34,754 --> 00:14:35,838 But we told them, 231 00:14:36,005 --> 00:14:38,216 "This is what we're going to do, Mum and Dad." 232 00:14:38,383 --> 00:14:39,509 "This is what we're going to do." 233 00:14:39,675 --> 00:14:42,220 "And you've got to go with us." "You've got to do this with us." 234 00:14:42,428 --> 00:14:43,638 We left, but a week out we found out 235 00:14:43,805 --> 00:14:44,889 that Spicks And Specks... 236 00:14:45,056 --> 00:14:47,100 had gone to number one in Australia. 237 00:14:47,266 --> 00:14:48,559 It just blew us away, 238 00:14:48,768 --> 00:14:50,561 and we're a week out now. 239 00:14:51,270 --> 00:14:52,313 We're thinking, "Great." 240 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,147 The only people who knew it... 241 00:14:53,314 --> 00:14:54,315 were the rest of the Australians on board, 242 00:14:54,482 --> 00:14:55,983 going, "Great, nice one," 243 00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:57,360 "you got a number one." 244 00:14:57,527 --> 00:14:59,112 "Yeah, great for us now." 245 00:14:59,695 --> 00:15:01,364 So we ended up going back. 246 00:15:01,531 --> 00:15:02,615 So we came back to England, 247 00:15:02,782 --> 00:15:04,075 and kissed the docks of Southampton... 248 00:15:04,242 --> 00:15:04,951 when we got off. 249 00:15:05,118 --> 00:15:07,286 There was a pop group standing on the docks 250 00:15:07,453 --> 00:15:09,872 dressed like the Beatles were dressed in Help! 251 00:15:10,248 --> 00:15:11,499 And they said to us, 252 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:14,085 "Don't go any further, go back to Australia." 253 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:16,462 "Go back. Groups are dead." 254 00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:17,964 "Clapton lives." 255 00:15:19,257 --> 00:15:21,884 - "Groups are out..." - "Groups are out." 256 00:15:22,051 --> 00:15:26,556 And that became the main... the mantra... 257 00:15:26,722 --> 00:15:28,182 that we heard no matter where we went, 258 00:15:28,349 --> 00:15:29,100 "Groups are out." 259 00:15:29,267 --> 00:15:31,352 "You haven't got a chance." 260 00:15:37,525 --> 00:15:40,486 We ended up in Hendon, in February of 1967, 261 00:15:40,653 --> 00:15:41,487 sleeping on floorboards 262 00:15:41,654 --> 00:15:44,323 with the dream of somebody discovering us. 263 00:15:44,490 --> 00:15:45,575 We'd been round to managers... 264 00:15:45,741 --> 00:15:47,326 and they were all saying, "Groups are out." 265 00:15:47,493 --> 00:15:48,536 "It's all solo artists now." 266 00:15:48,703 --> 00:15:50,496 The comment that was made to us was, 267 00:15:50,663 --> 00:15:51,789 "It's all Eric Clapton now." 268 00:15:51,956 --> 00:15:52,957 So, we got home 269 00:15:53,124 --> 00:15:55,293 and Mum had said, "A Mr. Stigweed called." 270 00:15:56,294 --> 00:15:57,837 We'd never heard of Mr. Stigweed. 271 00:15:58,045 --> 00:15:59,338 When Dad returned the call, 272 00:15:59,505 --> 00:16:00,339 it was N EMS, 273 00:16:00,506 --> 00:16:02,008 which was Brian Epstein's organization. 274 00:16:02,175 --> 00:16:03,426 We sent tapes and records... 275 00:16:03,593 --> 00:16:06,179 to the Beatles' manager Brian Epstein 276 00:16:06,345 --> 00:16:07,930 and his partner Robert Stigwood. 277 00:16:08,264 --> 00:16:09,015 We didn't know... 278 00:16:09,182 --> 00:16:10,349 whether or not they would hear them. 279 00:16:10,516 --> 00:16:12,351 Robert Stigwood spoke to us. 280 00:16:12,518 --> 00:16:13,186 He had heard the record... 281 00:16:13,352 --> 00:16:14,687 He had heard the tapes and he wanted... 282 00:16:14,854 --> 00:16:16,522 Brian had played the songs to him... 283 00:16:16,689 --> 00:16:18,107 that we'd sent from Australia. 284 00:16:18,274 --> 00:16:20,026 He said, "You write your own songs." 285 00:16:20,193 --> 00:16:21,319 "I like what I hear." 286 00:16:21,527 --> 00:16:22,320 "Can we do business?" 287 00:16:22,487 --> 00:16:25,031 So, we go to the Saville Theatre in London. 288 00:16:25,198 --> 00:16:27,742 Robert came in supported by two gentlemen. 289 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:30,828 He looked a bit weary-for-wear, 290 00:16:31,204 --> 00:16:33,039 and he'd had a late night, obviously. 291 00:16:33,247 --> 00:16:36,292 And we were still performing our nightclub act... 292 00:16:36,459 --> 00:16:37,835 Even the Peter, Paul And Mary section. 293 00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:40,046 We did this whole act, 294 00:16:40,630 --> 00:16:42,548 and he said, "Right, be in my office at five." 295 00:16:42,715 --> 00:16:44,592 Got up and staggered out. 296 00:16:46,052 --> 00:16:47,220 So we thought, "OK..." 297 00:16:47,386 --> 00:16:48,763 "I wonder if he liked us?" 298 00:16:49,347 --> 00:16:50,765 So, that afternoon we went in 299 00:16:50,890 --> 00:16:53,893 and then he offered us a five-year contract... 300 00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:56,562 to be signed to N EMS. 301 00:16:57,563 --> 00:16:58,606 And I remember walking in there... 302 00:16:58,773 --> 00:17:00,566 and we saw Ringo for the first time. 303 00:17:01,734 --> 00:17:03,027 We weren't full-fledged rock stars. 304 00:17:03,277 --> 00:17:06,906 We were a pop group and there was only three of us, 305 00:17:07,073 --> 00:17:08,282 so it wasn't really a band, 306 00:17:08,574 --> 00:17:10,409 and Robert Stigwood brought in Vince Melouney... 307 00:17:10,576 --> 00:17:12,703 and Colin Petersen to help us... 308 00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:13,788 become a band. 309 00:17:13,913 --> 00:17:15,039 Two months after that, 310 00:17:15,414 --> 00:17:16,332 we were in the American Top 20 311 00:17:16,499 --> 00:17:18,251 and the British Top 20 with our first single, 312 00:17:18,417 --> 00:17:19,794 New York Mining Disaster. 313 00:17:20,211 --> 00:17:24,590 Robert Stigwood was actually the champion in... 314 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,093 and the jewel in our crown... 315 00:17:27,260 --> 00:17:28,344 as far as our career goes, 316 00:17:28,511 --> 00:17:31,931 because if we hadn't met Robert at that particular time, 317 00:17:32,431 --> 00:17:33,933 I don't know which way we'd have gone. 318 00:18:14,348 --> 00:18:15,766 I remember doing the demo first of... 319 00:18:15,933 --> 00:18:17,143 New York Mining Disaster. 320 00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:18,477 Robert thought it'd be a good idea... 321 00:18:18,644 --> 00:18:20,021 before we actually go in and make the album, 322 00:18:20,187 --> 00:18:21,188 "If you've got any more songs to write, 323 00:18:21,355 --> 00:18:22,607 go in and use the studio." 324 00:18:22,773 --> 00:18:25,359 To see what we'd written since what he had heard. 325 00:18:25,526 --> 00:18:26,235 And we came up... 326 00:18:26,402 --> 00:18:27,862 with about eight to ten songs, 327 00:18:28,029 --> 00:18:29,864 and there was still that missing song... 328 00:18:30,031 --> 00:18:31,699 that he thought he could turn into a hit. 329 00:18:31,866 --> 00:18:32,700 All of a sudden there was a blackout. 330 00:18:32,867 --> 00:18:34,160 We had no power. 331 00:18:34,452 --> 00:18:35,494 So we went outside, 332 00:18:35,661 --> 00:18:37,496 and while we were waiting for the power to come back on, 333 00:18:37,663 --> 00:18:40,124 in the area where the elevator goes down, 334 00:18:40,291 --> 00:18:41,876 there were steps on either side, 335 00:18:42,001 --> 00:18:42,960 we just sat on the steps 336 00:18:43,127 --> 00:18:44,503 and Barry was playing his guitar, 337 00:18:44,670 --> 00:18:45,921 and this was so echoey, 338 00:18:46,088 --> 00:18:47,340 a wonderful echo in this place, 339 00:18:47,506 --> 00:18:48,716 and it was like being in a mine. 340 00:19:04,523 --> 00:19:06,317 And the premise was... 341 00:19:06,484 --> 00:19:08,027 the Aberfan mining disaster. 342 00:19:08,194 --> 00:19:09,737 It had broken everyone's heart. 343 00:19:09,904 --> 00:19:12,615 It was only six months before we wrote the song. 344 00:19:13,074 --> 00:19:15,993 Years later, we found out there was a New York mining disaster, 345 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,454 in 1939, I think, in the state of New York. 346 00:19:28,381 --> 00:19:29,548 But that was just the title. 347 00:19:29,715 --> 00:19:31,258 A lot of people referred to it as Mr. Jones. 348 00:19:31,425 --> 00:19:33,844 "Have you seen my wife, Mr. Jones?" 349 00:19:38,349 --> 00:19:39,725 But that was the birth of that, 350 00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:41,394 the total echo effect, 351 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:42,645 the hauntingness of it. 352 00:19:42,812 --> 00:19:45,231 But it also started us writing about drama 353 00:19:45,398 --> 00:19:46,607 and pulled us away from the Beatles... 354 00:19:46,774 --> 00:19:48,943 Me To You syndrome. 355 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:52,113 And, like them, we started writing in abstraction, 356 00:19:52,405 --> 00:19:55,366 we started writing about situations and characters. 357 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:26,856 We were working at I BC Studios, 358 00:20:27,022 --> 00:20:29,483 which was the place where the Beatles used to record, 359 00:20:29,650 --> 00:20:31,569 - I believe, up to Abbey Road. - Yeah. 360 00:20:32,445 --> 00:20:34,029 And, on its own stage, 361 00:20:34,196 --> 00:20:35,156 there was the Mellotron. 362 00:20:35,906 --> 00:20:37,616 And for the first time in our lives, 363 00:20:37,783 --> 00:20:39,660 we'd ever seen a Mellotron. 364 00:20:40,161 --> 00:20:41,328 Well, Maurice, of course, 365 00:20:42,163 --> 00:20:44,165 was immediately on the Mellotron 366 00:20:44,331 --> 00:20:46,459 and the song Every Christian Lion 367 00:20:46,625 --> 00:20:48,753 Hearted Man came from that sound, 368 00:20:48,919 --> 00:20:50,546 and that was on the Bee Gees' first album. 369 00:20:51,505 --> 00:20:53,215 But we were in the same studio 370 00:20:53,382 --> 00:20:55,134 and we were in the same space. 371 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:04,620 Robert allowed us to do what we wanted to do. 372 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:06,372 He put us in the studio... 373 00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:08,082 with great engineers, 374 00:22:08,249 --> 00:22:09,667 knowing our voices, 375 00:22:09,834 --> 00:22:10,960 and knowing what we liked to do... 376 00:22:11,126 --> 00:22:12,294 and knowing our level, 377 00:22:12,586 --> 00:22:14,421 where we'd reached experimentally, 378 00:22:14,964 --> 00:22:16,465 where we were gonna move from there. 379 00:22:16,632 --> 00:22:17,633 And we would do that, 380 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,426 and Robert allowed us to do that. 381 00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:45,452 And at the end of a week, 382 00:22:45,619 --> 00:22:47,079 he would come into the studio 383 00:22:47,413 --> 00:22:48,914 and listen to what we'd done. 384 00:22:49,248 --> 00:22:51,000 He wouldn't say, "Do this" or "Do that." 385 00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:52,751 He would just listen to what we'd done. 386 00:22:57,548 --> 00:22:58,841 And his opinion would be, 387 00:22:59,008 --> 00:23:01,385 "Yes, OK, but maybe this needs that..." 388 00:23:01,552 --> 00:23:02,511 "Or this needs that." 389 00:23:02,678 --> 00:23:05,139 Or the opposing opinion would be, "Stupendous." 390 00:23:05,264 --> 00:23:06,432 But he was always right. 391 00:23:38,589 --> 00:23:40,424 We remember a time at 2am, 392 00:23:40,591 --> 00:23:41,800 Robert had come in... 393 00:23:42,051 --> 00:23:44,053 and To Love Somebody was playing, 394 00:23:44,219 --> 00:23:46,180 and he would call up New York 395 00:23:46,305 --> 00:23:48,140 and play it in the speaker to... 396 00:23:48,307 --> 00:23:51,352 Ahmet Ertegun, the head of Atlantic Records. 397 00:23:51,518 --> 00:23:53,270 Down the phone. "Listen to this." 398 00:23:53,437 --> 00:23:56,607 "This is their next single." 399 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,669 And that's how it was done. 400 00:24:16,835 --> 00:24:19,505 It was very organic, it was very gut instincts. 401 00:24:19,672 --> 00:24:21,674 It's so different to the way things are done now. 402 00:24:22,675 --> 00:24:25,010 What was really fantastic about that first year 403 00:24:25,219 --> 00:24:27,596 is that New York Mining Disaster... 404 00:24:27,763 --> 00:24:28,973 and then To Love Somebody 405 00:24:29,264 --> 00:24:30,933 were charting in the American Top 20, 406 00:24:31,100 --> 00:24:32,226 which, you know... 407 00:24:32,351 --> 00:24:35,020 which was very unusual even by today's standards 408 00:24:35,229 --> 00:24:37,356 for first-time records and British artists. 409 00:24:37,523 --> 00:24:38,399 That was due to Robert Stigwood... 410 00:24:38,565 --> 00:24:39,441 and Ahmet Ertegun... 411 00:24:39,608 --> 00:24:41,276 working together. 412 00:24:41,485 --> 00:24:42,528 We had the N EMS team. 413 00:24:42,695 --> 00:24:44,655 We had the Beatles' team behind us. 414 00:24:44,822 --> 00:24:46,699 That's what kicked it all off for us. 415 00:24:46,865 --> 00:24:49,076 To crack America was the ultimate dream. 416 00:24:49,493 --> 00:24:50,411 You've got to remember, 417 00:24:50,577 --> 00:24:52,454 when you're from that generation of kids 418 00:24:52,621 --> 00:24:55,541 growing up in Liverpool or Manchester, or wherever, 419 00:24:55,708 --> 00:24:57,376 America's pavements are gold. 420 00:24:57,543 --> 00:24:59,878 Everything is two cars per family, 421 00:25:00,045 --> 00:25:01,255 huge houses. 422 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:04,341 I mean, television like, five, ten channels, 423 00:25:04,508 --> 00:25:07,094 you know? We had two. 424 00:25:24,737 --> 00:25:25,279 To Love Somebody... 425 00:25:25,404 --> 00:25:26,572 started with Otis Redding. 426 00:25:26,739 --> 00:25:27,865 Barry and Robin wrote that... 427 00:25:28,032 --> 00:25:29,908 with Otis in mind 428 00:25:30,242 --> 00:25:32,578 in hope that we could get it to him to record. 429 00:25:33,037 --> 00:25:34,580 We were going to do it anyway, 430 00:25:34,747 --> 00:25:35,622 but we felt like, 431 00:25:35,789 --> 00:25:37,583 "Wouldn't it be great if Otis Redding could sing this?" 432 00:25:50,054 --> 00:25:52,056 We were influenced a lot in our writing in those days, 433 00:25:52,222 --> 00:25:53,390 even today sometimes, 434 00:25:53,682 --> 00:25:55,476 by the artists that were around us, 435 00:25:55,768 --> 00:25:57,352 of, "Who could do this song?" 436 00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:59,229 We'd write the Beatles' new record, 437 00:25:59,772 --> 00:26:00,814 the Rolling Stones' new record, 438 00:26:00,981 --> 00:26:01,815 the Hollies' new record, 439 00:26:02,566 --> 00:26:03,442 whatever groups that were out there. 440 00:26:03,609 --> 00:26:05,277 "What would they release? What would they do?" 441 00:26:05,444 --> 00:26:06,820 And we'd sing it and it would be us. 442 00:26:06,987 --> 00:26:09,573 I think our career's built out of jealousy and envy. 443 00:26:09,740 --> 00:26:11,742 "We gotta beat that." It's not a bad thing. 444 00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:14,620 It was a sense of desperate need to be acknowledged. 445 00:26:14,787 --> 00:26:16,955 And when anyone rejected what we were doing, 446 00:26:17,122 --> 00:26:18,540 that would make us work harder. 447 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,460 Because we felt that we could do something better. 448 00:26:22,044 --> 00:26:23,295 "Let's try and beat that one." 449 00:26:36,517 --> 00:26:38,852 Tonight, Massachusetts from the Bee Gees! 450 00:26:42,397 --> 00:26:44,441 I remember doing Top Of The Pops for the first time. 451 00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:45,484 It was a great dream, 452 00:26:45,651 --> 00:26:46,652 because that's the show to do. 453 00:26:46,819 --> 00:26:47,236 You're made... 454 00:26:47,402 --> 00:26:48,153 if you do Top Of The Pops. 455 00:27:23,105 --> 00:27:26,275 There became a melodramatic element in our songs 456 00:27:26,441 --> 00:27:29,319 as opposed to an up, celebration type record. 457 00:27:29,486 --> 00:27:31,029 Massachusetts was like that. 458 00:27:31,196 --> 00:27:32,573 We began to love melodrama, 459 00:27:32,739 --> 00:27:36,326 and we began to love what the Beatles were doing with orchestras. 460 00:27:36,618 --> 00:27:38,871 We began to recognize that a full orchestra 461 00:27:39,037 --> 00:27:42,040 was just as important to rock-'n'-roll as an electric guitar was. 462 00:28:01,435 --> 00:28:03,437 It was the first time we'd ever had a number one record. 463 00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:04,271 I remember being told... 464 00:28:04,438 --> 00:28:05,731 Massachusetts was number one. 465 00:28:05,939 --> 00:28:07,316 We did such a bad show that night. 466 00:28:07,482 --> 00:28:11,111 We were in one of those places up north where... 467 00:28:11,278 --> 00:28:15,199 they had the... the turning stage that goes around, the revolving stage. 468 00:28:15,741 --> 00:28:17,201 We're on the other side getting ready, 469 00:28:17,367 --> 00:28:19,119 plugging in and getting set up. 470 00:28:19,786 --> 00:28:20,662 Dick runs up and goes, 471 00:28:20,829 --> 00:28:22,706 "Massachusetts has just gone to number one." 472 00:28:23,248 --> 00:28:26,126 "What?" And we all looked at each other. 473 00:28:26,293 --> 00:28:27,794 "Oh, my God, it's number one." 474 00:28:27,961 --> 00:28:30,005 And just as that happened, the stage started going round, 475 00:28:30,214 --> 00:28:31,673 and we weren't all plugged in or set up. 476 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,218 We just started the show and we sang what the hell we wanted to. 477 00:28:34,384 --> 00:28:35,260 We couldn't believe it. 478 00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:36,386 We were so over the moon, 479 00:28:36,553 --> 00:28:37,971 we thought we could get away with murder. 480 00:28:38,138 --> 00:28:39,598 To have a number one in England, 481 00:28:39,932 --> 00:28:40,724 you have no idea... 482 00:28:40,891 --> 00:28:42,476 how much we'd dreamed of this in Australia, 483 00:28:42,851 --> 00:28:44,686 to have a number one in the U K charts. 484 00:28:45,062 --> 00:28:47,064 We felt like we'd arrived. 485 00:28:55,489 --> 00:28:59,159 The Bee Gees, the most exciting sound in the world. 486 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:29,523 We were very, very ambitious... 487 00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:31,775 and we were very anxious to make our mark. 488 00:29:31,942 --> 00:29:35,153 If it was a choice between partying and being in the studio, 489 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,905 it was definitely gonna be the studio. 490 00:29:37,072 --> 00:29:39,324 It wasn't about having a good time, 491 00:29:39,491 --> 00:29:40,200 a good time to us... 492 00:29:40,367 --> 00:29:41,660 was being in the studio. 493 00:29:41,868 --> 00:29:44,162 - A good time to us was a good woman. - Yes. 494 00:29:44,329 --> 00:29:46,581 And in those days the idea of women... 495 00:29:46,748 --> 00:29:48,166 crept into our lives. 496 00:29:48,333 --> 00:29:50,168 - And... up to that point... - Still is. 497 00:29:50,335 --> 00:29:51,336 Yeah! 498 00:29:51,670 --> 00:29:54,464 And up to that point, women had not. 499 00:29:55,007 --> 00:29:57,467 It began in Australia just before we left, 500 00:29:59,011 --> 00:30:01,013 that women became a sort of... 501 00:30:02,556 --> 00:30:04,182 Music, women. 502 00:30:04,516 --> 00:30:07,352 So women became a confliction... 503 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:08,687 between the two subjects. 504 00:30:08,937 --> 00:30:09,896 It was going out with a girl... 505 00:30:10,063 --> 00:30:11,064 or writing a song 506 00:30:11,231 --> 00:30:13,400 or it was being a group or going out with a girl. 507 00:30:13,692 --> 00:30:15,110 So we began to fall in love. 508 00:30:15,527 --> 00:30:16,611 We began to have girlfriends. 509 00:30:16,778 --> 00:30:18,322 Actually, you need that to be an artist, 510 00:30:18,488 --> 00:30:21,283 to get that extra sentiment. 511 00:30:21,742 --> 00:30:24,077 So, suddenly, we were no longer kids. 512 00:31:15,212 --> 00:31:16,588 There was a lot of hits in that short time. 513 00:31:16,755 --> 00:31:17,756 All the things were happening. 514 00:31:17,923 --> 00:31:19,424 There was a lot of money all of a sudden, 515 00:31:19,591 --> 00:31:21,885 and cars, and girlfriends, 516 00:31:22,052 --> 00:31:23,345 and love interests were happening, 517 00:31:23,512 --> 00:31:24,638 and jealousies were happening, 518 00:31:24,763 --> 00:31:28,266 so, the drink came more. The money became more. 519 00:31:28,433 --> 00:31:30,894 And when you're 18, 19 years of age, 520 00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:34,272 and after all the work we had done, through clubs and everything, 521 00:31:34,439 --> 00:31:36,817 I felt grown up, I felt like I'd been through the mill. 522 00:31:48,829 --> 00:31:51,415 In 1967 we became... 523 00:31:51,581 --> 00:31:53,041 members of a club called the Speakeasy 524 00:31:53,208 --> 00:31:54,668 which was an underground club 525 00:31:55,127 --> 00:31:57,087 which was only for the Beatles and the Stones... 526 00:31:57,254 --> 00:31:58,797 and the Who 527 00:31:58,964 --> 00:32:02,801 and Otis Redding and Sam & Dave... 528 00:32:03,218 --> 00:32:04,594 Yeah, Ahmet Ertegun... 529 00:32:04,761 --> 00:32:08,098 and Robert and Brian Epstein. 530 00:32:08,306 --> 00:32:10,517 It was virtually a closed club. 531 00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:14,980 You went downstairs and there was a coffin, 532 00:32:16,106 --> 00:32:17,774 and if you were allowed in, 533 00:32:18,150 --> 00:32:19,484 if you were somebody they knew... 534 00:32:19,693 --> 00:32:21,736 and you were supposed to go in, 535 00:32:22,154 --> 00:32:26,158 the wall would turn round and the coffin would turn round. 536 00:32:26,783 --> 00:32:27,993 And in you would go, and there'd be... 537 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,703 George Best playing the machines 538 00:32:29,828 --> 00:32:33,415 and the Stones would be lying around all over the place. 539 00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:35,667 - And... - Great days. 540 00:32:35,834 --> 00:32:40,964 It was one of those days that I met John Lennon from the back. 541 00:32:41,256 --> 00:32:43,258 I never met John Lennon from the front. 542 00:32:49,973 --> 00:32:52,767 It was Pete Townshend who introduced me to John Lennon 543 00:32:52,934 --> 00:32:55,312 and what I remember is, 544 00:32:55,479 --> 00:32:57,647 "Barry, I'd like you to meet John Lennon." 545 00:32:57,939 --> 00:32:59,816 "John Lennon, pleased to meet you." 546 00:33:01,568 --> 00:33:03,653 And carried on talking to somebody else. 547 00:33:04,112 --> 00:33:07,115 So I thought to myself, "Well, I've met John Lennon." 548 00:33:07,824 --> 00:33:08,366 I had John Lennon's... 549 00:33:08,533 --> 00:33:09,868 black-windowed Mini Cooper S. 550 00:33:10,035 --> 00:33:11,203 I bought that car off him. 551 00:33:11,369 --> 00:33:12,370 And so I was involved, 552 00:33:12,537 --> 00:33:14,748 I became part of the inner circle of all those guys, 553 00:33:14,873 --> 00:33:16,541 and I was going to parties... 554 00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:18,376 and the Magical Mystery Tour and... 555 00:33:18,543 --> 00:33:20,045 it was like a wild world for me. 556 00:33:20,212 --> 00:33:23,632 When you think that five months before all this was going on, 557 00:33:24,174 --> 00:33:27,219 I was in Pitt Street buying the Beatle Fan Club book, 558 00:33:27,511 --> 00:33:28,428 the same time, 559 00:33:28,595 --> 00:33:32,766 and now here I am partying with these guys, my heroes. 560 00:33:33,225 --> 00:33:35,060 Let's have a wonderfully warm reception 561 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:36,394 for the attractive Bee Gees... 562 00:33:36,561 --> 00:33:38,772 and soloist Barry Gibb. 563 00:34:13,557 --> 00:34:14,432 We did Ed Sullivan. 564 00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:15,976 Dick Cavett and Mike Douglas. 565 00:34:16,476 --> 00:34:19,271 - Merv Griffin. - Johnny Carson. 566 00:34:19,437 --> 00:34:20,897 We did eleven Johnny Carson shows... 567 00:34:21,064 --> 00:34:21,940 over the years. 568 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:26,778 There wasn't any decisive point where we moved to America, 569 00:34:26,945 --> 00:34:29,406 because it was an international scene... 570 00:34:29,573 --> 00:34:31,199 from 1967 onwards. 571 00:34:31,366 --> 00:34:33,285 Wherever you were based, you had to go to America. 572 00:34:33,451 --> 00:34:35,537 - It was England or America. - Yeah. 573 00:34:35,745 --> 00:34:37,080 It had to be one of the two. 574 00:34:37,247 --> 00:34:38,540 No other country in the world... 575 00:34:38,832 --> 00:34:40,542 could give you international fame. 576 00:35:19,873 --> 00:35:23,376 It's hard to speak about Odessa in any coherent way, 577 00:35:23,543 --> 00:35:24,878 because it wasn't actually a planned album, 578 00:35:25,045 --> 00:35:26,880 it was just a collection of songs. 579 00:35:27,047 --> 00:35:29,674 We thought we were going to do a concept album... 580 00:35:29,841 --> 00:35:30,759 Yeah. Because of Tommy 581 00:35:30,925 --> 00:35:35,138 and because of Robert's connection to these types of things, 582 00:35:35,472 --> 00:35:36,973 he wanted us to do a rock opera. 583 00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:38,892 And we wanted to put it on the stage. 584 00:35:39,184 --> 00:35:41,811 And instead of writing a rock opera, 585 00:35:42,479 --> 00:35:44,189 we just came up with a mish-mash. 586 00:35:44,356 --> 00:35:47,025 We just came up with a bunch of songs 587 00:35:47,192 --> 00:35:49,819 that we thought we were going somewhere with, 588 00:35:49,986 --> 00:35:51,905 but I think we were extremely weary. 589 00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:54,824 I think even at such a young age, 590 00:35:55,116 --> 00:35:57,661 we'd been through quite a number of albums very quickly. 591 00:35:57,827 --> 00:35:59,371 We could no longer deal with each other, 592 00:35:59,746 --> 00:36:01,081 could no longer deal with each other. 593 00:36:01,539 --> 00:36:04,042 And... the three of us drifted apart. 594 00:36:04,209 --> 00:36:05,919 In fact, I'd say the four of us drifted apart, 595 00:36:06,044 --> 00:36:07,045 including Robert. 596 00:36:07,337 --> 00:36:09,297 Robert went off to make his movies... 597 00:36:09,464 --> 00:36:10,173 There were distractions. 598 00:36:10,340 --> 00:36:13,843 All the distractions that success brings for someone like him. 599 00:36:14,135 --> 00:36:19,182 And so, we... we let that lie. 600 00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:20,892 That album never really got finished, 601 00:36:21,059 --> 00:36:22,227 never really got finished. 602 00:36:22,435 --> 00:36:23,687 Everyone was doing real well, 603 00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:25,897 and there was the jealousy thing going on. 604 00:36:26,731 --> 00:36:29,609 What happened is First Of May, the record, was coming out, 605 00:36:29,776 --> 00:36:32,529 and everybody went for First Of May as the A-side, 606 00:36:32,696 --> 00:36:34,114 and Barry was singing the lead on that. 607 00:36:34,614 --> 00:36:35,782 On the other side was Lamplight, 608 00:36:35,949 --> 00:36:37,200 with Robin singing lead, 609 00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:39,744 and everybody thought Lamplight should be the single. 610 00:36:40,036 --> 00:36:41,246 Robert chose First Of May, 611 00:36:41,413 --> 00:36:43,289 and thinking he was biased towards Barry, 612 00:36:43,957 --> 00:36:45,875 Robin said, "I've had it." 613 00:36:46,084 --> 00:36:47,585 He thought it was done on purpose. 614 00:36:47,752 --> 00:36:49,546 And following that, 615 00:36:49,713 --> 00:36:54,926 I think we went through about two or three years of being unable to communicate, 616 00:36:55,385 --> 00:36:59,139 being unable to be brothers or friends or... unable. 617 00:37:00,140 --> 00:37:01,474 We've heard rumors that the group is splitting up. 618 00:37:01,641 --> 00:37:02,934 Would you like to verify those rumors? 619 00:37:03,101 --> 00:37:06,020 If I were to say that was true, then I would be the premier of Russia. 620 00:37:06,229 --> 00:37:07,564 Then Robin decided to leave, 621 00:37:07,731 --> 00:37:09,524 while we were doing the Cucumber Castle film. 622 00:37:33,715 --> 00:37:34,924 Then Barry left after that... 623 00:37:35,091 --> 00:37:36,384 and I was all of a sudden The Bee Gee. 624 00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:39,053 But it was all part and parcel, 625 00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:41,723 that part of it, we had to go through all that crap 626 00:37:41,973 --> 00:37:42,557 'cause, you must remember, 627 00:37:42,724 --> 00:37:44,058 we'd been together for so long 628 00:37:44,976 --> 00:37:47,020 by the time we were 19, 20, 21, 629 00:37:47,771 --> 00:37:49,647 it's like, "We need a break." 630 00:37:50,482 --> 00:37:52,734 We'd been together since Robin and I were five, singing. 631 00:37:52,901 --> 00:37:56,738 I don't think there was actually a design in the breakup in itself. 632 00:37:56,905 --> 00:37:58,698 We just wandered off and... 633 00:37:58,865 --> 00:38:00,158 It was a crazy period. 634 00:38:00,325 --> 00:38:02,327 We didn't know what we were each doing... 635 00:38:02,494 --> 00:38:03,578 unless we read the trades. 636 00:38:03,745 --> 00:38:05,163 We sort of tried to get together, 637 00:38:05,330 --> 00:38:06,498 but every time we tried, 638 00:38:06,664 --> 00:38:08,208 we knew it was the wrong time. 639 00:38:08,541 --> 00:38:11,085 It was inevitable that this would happen, 640 00:38:11,252 --> 00:38:13,171 it was something that was growing anyway. 641 00:38:13,505 --> 00:38:15,298 But being young, you don't know how to handle it. 642 00:38:15,465 --> 00:38:16,257 We were excited. 643 00:38:16,424 --> 00:38:18,176 We were very high on ourselves, 644 00:38:18,510 --> 00:38:19,511 and it was a dream come true. 645 00:38:19,677 --> 00:38:22,514 Yeah. I mean, I had seven Aston Martins 646 00:38:22,847 --> 00:38:23,807 and six Rolls-Royces... 647 00:38:23,973 --> 00:38:25,058 before I was 21. 648 00:38:26,059 --> 00:38:28,019 I don't know where they are now, 649 00:38:28,186 --> 00:38:29,562 but that's how crazy it was. 650 00:38:29,729 --> 00:38:31,523 The "first-fame" syndrome, we call it, 651 00:38:31,689 --> 00:38:33,358 when you go through that, and if you survive it, 652 00:38:33,525 --> 00:38:34,442 it's great. 653 00:38:34,692 --> 00:38:36,110 We had the foresight... 654 00:38:36,277 --> 00:38:37,779 and strength to say, "This is stupid," 655 00:38:37,946 --> 00:38:38,863 "let's get back together." 656 00:38:39,072 --> 00:38:41,157 The first time we got together after the breakup was... 657 00:38:41,324 --> 00:38:42,700 Addison Road in Kensington. 658 00:38:42,867 --> 00:38:45,286 How Can You Mend A Broken Heart 659 00:38:45,453 --> 00:38:46,079 and Lonely Days. 660 00:38:46,246 --> 00:38:47,747 That, basically, is the story, 661 00:38:47,914 --> 00:38:49,374 because How Can You Mend A Broken Heart... 662 00:38:49,958 --> 00:38:51,668 really does reflect how we felt. 663 00:38:51,876 --> 00:38:52,377 Yeah. 664 00:40:01,487 --> 00:40:02,780 We had about 15 months apart. 665 00:40:03,281 --> 00:40:04,532 I ended up doing a musical, 666 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,785 but it was a very strange situation. 667 00:40:07,952 --> 00:40:09,996 Barry had left and the group was over. 668 00:40:13,041 --> 00:40:14,876 But what happened is that Robin had called him... 669 00:40:15,084 --> 00:40:17,962 and said, "Let's get together and talk." 670 00:40:18,171 --> 00:40:19,088 We eventually did. 671 00:40:19,255 --> 00:40:21,799 I remember the time that Robert Stigwood's company... 672 00:40:21,966 --> 00:40:22,800 was going public, 673 00:40:23,259 --> 00:40:24,469 and the three of us were in this room, 674 00:40:24,636 --> 00:40:26,471 I had my lawyer, Robin had his lawyer, 675 00:40:26,638 --> 00:40:27,597 Barry had his lawyer, 676 00:40:27,764 --> 00:40:28,806 and all we were talking about... 677 00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:30,016 is what we can do together, 678 00:40:30,183 --> 00:40:31,434 when the lawyers were thinking about, 679 00:40:31,601 --> 00:40:35,521 "I represent my client privately and separately from the others." 680 00:40:35,813 --> 00:40:38,608 And the three of us were planning our next album. 681 00:40:39,567 --> 00:40:41,402 And no one knew about it, in the room. 682 00:41:07,345 --> 00:41:09,263 It was nervous working together again 683 00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:12,266 and getting used to each other again, the writing process. 684 00:41:12,475 --> 00:41:13,434 Lonely Days was an instrumental... 685 00:41:13,601 --> 00:41:14,769 I was playing on the piano. 686 00:41:14,936 --> 00:41:15,687 Barry and Robin came round, 687 00:41:15,853 --> 00:41:16,771 and we started singing it, 688 00:41:16,938 --> 00:41:18,564 and before we knew it, the song was taking shape. 689 00:41:56,060 --> 00:41:57,437 So, those first times together, 690 00:41:57,603 --> 00:41:59,564 we knew it was inevitable. 691 00:41:59,772 --> 00:42:02,734 Look what we've done in these few days we've been together. 692 00:42:23,087 --> 00:42:24,756 I felt like we'd never done it before. 693 00:42:24,964 --> 00:42:26,924 We were like new. It was, like, fresh. 694 00:42:27,091 --> 00:42:30,720 The energy that each one had on expressing what they'd learnt by being apart, 695 00:42:30,887 --> 00:42:32,263 it all came out in that week. 696 00:42:32,513 --> 00:42:35,224 And it was brilliant. It was a wonderful session, wonderful. 697 00:42:35,391 --> 00:42:37,602 Thank you all very much and good evening. 698 00:44:20,872 --> 00:44:22,081 How does a song get written? 699 00:44:22,248 --> 00:44:26,210 It's usually one person who will walk into the studio or the room... 700 00:44:26,419 --> 00:44:28,212 and say, "I've got an idea for a song." 701 00:44:31,841 --> 00:44:33,050 And any one of us... 702 00:44:33,217 --> 00:44:34,594 would play that idea, 703 00:44:35,094 --> 00:44:36,762 and if everyone looked at each other 704 00:44:36,929 --> 00:44:38,222 and went, 705 00:44:38,431 --> 00:44:39,557 "OK," 706 00:44:39,724 --> 00:44:41,309 "this can go somewhere, this could be something..." 707 00:44:41,475 --> 00:44:43,728 Many times, Barry will have an idea for a song, 708 00:44:44,061 --> 00:44:45,730 and I'll have an idea for song, 709 00:44:45,897 --> 00:44:47,231 and we'll put them together... 710 00:44:47,565 --> 00:44:48,232 and marry them. 711 00:44:48,399 --> 00:44:50,610 - And marry the two songs. - And it'll become one song. 712 00:44:51,152 --> 00:44:53,738 So, Run To Me was a form of two songs. 713 00:45:13,925 --> 00:45:15,259 So, we would play that kind of game, 714 00:45:15,426 --> 00:45:16,761 that two songs can become one, 715 00:45:16,928 --> 00:45:19,555 and that collaboration is what creates a great song. 716 00:45:19,764 --> 00:45:23,059 One person writing a song, on their own, 717 00:45:23,226 --> 00:45:24,769 is a tremendously lonely game. 718 00:45:30,608 --> 00:45:32,652 We all become one mind. 719 00:45:32,902 --> 00:45:34,278 That's what we automatically all do. 720 00:45:34,487 --> 00:45:35,529 And we've been doing that for years. 721 00:45:36,364 --> 00:45:37,490 So I don't know how we do it, 722 00:45:37,657 --> 00:45:38,616 but it just happens that way. 723 00:45:38,783 --> 00:45:40,243 I call it the greatest form of meditation... 724 00:45:40,409 --> 00:45:41,494 you could ever have, 725 00:45:41,619 --> 00:45:42,787 when the three of us are in the room, 726 00:45:42,954 --> 00:45:44,997 when we're doing the music, and I'm playing, 727 00:45:45,164 --> 00:45:47,375 and we usually write the lyrics after we write the melody 728 00:45:47,541 --> 00:45:50,169 and we have the mics on and we just sit there and create. 729 00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:53,381 You're not concentrating on anything else 730 00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:57,510 but what's happening right now, and that's a trip on its own. 731 00:45:57,885 --> 00:45:59,637 It's wonderful when you hear it taking shape. 732 00:45:59,804 --> 00:46:00,596 And I may go somewhere, 733 00:46:00,763 --> 00:46:02,139 and Barry, "Yes, yes, 734 00:46:02,306 --> 00:46:03,516 go play there, go there." 735 00:46:03,641 --> 00:46:05,810 And I go, "Yes, go there." 736 00:46:05,977 --> 00:46:08,604 We'll wake each other's little instincts up... 737 00:46:08,771 --> 00:46:09,814 and the melodies come. 738 00:46:10,147 --> 00:46:12,525 Maurice was either guitar, piano... 739 00:46:12,942 --> 00:46:15,319 and some form of stimulating sound. 740 00:46:15,528 --> 00:46:17,863 I'm Mr. Fix-It. Still comes from... 741 00:46:18,030 --> 00:46:19,657 where I've always been in the middle 742 00:46:19,824 --> 00:46:21,534 of some discrepancy between Barry and Robin 743 00:46:21,659 --> 00:46:22,493 or if we're gonna make a decision, 744 00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:24,620 "What does Maurice think?" 745 00:46:24,787 --> 00:46:27,039 I become the deciding vote, if you like. 746 00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:31,836 After Run To Me, we went into a valley, totally. 747 00:46:32,044 --> 00:46:32,920 Our career was in a valley. 748 00:46:33,087 --> 00:46:35,339 No record company wanted us, management didn't want us, 749 00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:36,424 nothing. 750 00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:39,010 At the end of every decade, there's a tendency 751 00:46:39,427 --> 00:46:42,221 that the business tries to reject artists from the last decade. 752 00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:43,180 So, you know, 753 00:46:43,347 --> 00:46:44,890 you're either the artist of the '60s, 754 00:46:45,057 --> 00:46:46,183 or an artist of the '70s, 755 00:46:46,350 --> 00:46:47,685 or an artist of the '80s. 756 00:46:47,893 --> 00:46:49,562 And it still goes on now. 757 00:46:50,146 --> 00:46:52,857 And so, we were suddenly... 758 00:46:53,774 --> 00:46:56,736 out of favor by the beginning of the '70s. 759 00:46:56,986 --> 00:46:58,154 You think it's gonna last forever... 760 00:46:58,362 --> 00:46:59,071 and it doesn't. 761 00:46:59,238 --> 00:47:00,865 And that's when the s♪♪♪♪ hits the proverbial fan. 762 00:47:01,866 --> 00:47:03,326 Because all of a sudden, 763 00:47:03,492 --> 00:47:05,369 you turn to maybe drinking a bit with your friends. 764 00:47:05,536 --> 00:47:06,454 "Oh, you'll do it again." 765 00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:07,288 Then you turn to drugs. 766 00:47:07,455 --> 00:47:08,664 Before you know it, 767 00:47:08,831 --> 00:47:10,624 you're on a collision course with death. 768 00:47:10,791 --> 00:47:11,542 That's it. 769 00:47:11,709 --> 00:47:12,918 And to us, we thought, 770 00:47:13,085 --> 00:47:14,462 "Well, maybe that's it." 771 00:47:14,628 --> 00:47:16,881 "Maybe that was our career." 772 00:47:17,715 --> 00:47:20,259 Oh, yeah. I mean your ego is deflated enormously. 773 00:47:20,551 --> 00:47:21,969 But that was meant to be too. 774 00:47:22,136 --> 00:47:23,596 I mean, it wasn't good stuff. 775 00:47:23,804 --> 00:47:24,472 It was OK. 776 00:47:24,638 --> 00:47:26,390 We were trying to be very experimental. 777 00:47:26,557 --> 00:47:27,475 Sly And The Family Stone 778 00:47:27,641 --> 00:47:28,893 were huge with hits and... 779 00:47:29,101 --> 00:47:30,686 It was a different kind of period, 780 00:47:30,853 --> 00:47:32,813 it was like early disco, or something, 781 00:47:33,064 --> 00:47:34,732 there was something going on that was really strange. 782 00:47:35,191 --> 00:47:36,692 And we just were off the mark. 783 00:47:36,859 --> 00:47:39,028 We were so off the mark... 784 00:47:39,195 --> 00:47:40,988 we released an album, To Whom It May Concern, 785 00:47:41,155 --> 00:47:43,074 because we didn't know who the hell was gonna buy it. 786 00:47:43,407 --> 00:47:45,326 I mean, that's how totally, 787 00:47:45,785 --> 00:47:47,703 "Where are we going?" 788 00:48:13,062 --> 00:48:15,648 We needed to have bigger records than we were having. 789 00:48:15,981 --> 00:48:18,776 We weren't moving that well at all. 790 00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:21,737 Robert had become acquainted with Arif Mardin, 791 00:48:21,946 --> 00:48:23,656 who had done some of the Aretha Franklin... 792 00:48:23,781 --> 00:48:24,657 early records, 793 00:48:24,824 --> 00:48:26,867 and suggested that we explore those roots, 794 00:48:27,034 --> 00:48:27,827 which is how we ended up... 795 00:48:27,993 --> 00:48:29,787 doing Mr. Natural with Arif. 796 00:48:34,959 --> 00:48:37,128 Arif was so instrumental in producing black artists. 797 00:48:37,294 --> 00:48:38,838 He produced a lot of people, 798 00:48:39,004 --> 00:48:40,256 and we wanted that input. 799 00:49:27,219 --> 00:49:29,180 - We always loved black music. - Yeah. 800 00:49:29,346 --> 00:49:30,723 Always, even in the '60s, 801 00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:33,851 it was just ways of... 802 00:49:34,518 --> 00:49:36,645 Sam Cooke and Otis Redding 803 00:49:36,812 --> 00:49:37,730 Wilson Picket. 804 00:49:37,897 --> 00:49:39,231 The influences had been there, 805 00:49:39,398 --> 00:49:40,566 we just explored them more. 806 00:49:40,733 --> 00:49:42,610 We felt it was a time we needed, 807 00:49:42,776 --> 00:49:44,737 and Arif was the ideal tool. 808 00:49:44,904 --> 00:49:46,322 He encouraged, more so. 809 00:49:46,614 --> 00:49:47,531 That's when, as I said, 810 00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:49,283 for To Whom It May Concern... 811 00:49:49,450 --> 00:49:51,035 before we had no direction. 812 00:49:51,202 --> 00:49:52,077 Arif went, 813 00:49:52,244 --> 00:49:53,162 "This is the way you go." 814 00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:55,414 Yes, we'd given up on the psychedelia. 815 00:49:55,581 --> 00:49:56,624 We'd given up that, 816 00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:59,376 "Everyone has to be like the Beatles in order to succeed." 817 00:49:59,835 --> 00:50:02,546 We thought we were on the right track, we thought we were doing the right things. 818 00:50:02,713 --> 00:50:05,049 We were moving into that R&B vein, 819 00:50:05,549 --> 00:50:07,551 but we weren't really succeeding. 820 00:50:07,718 --> 00:50:09,637 Mr. Natural was a total disaster, 821 00:50:10,221 --> 00:50:15,226 but it was like a rehearsal for Main Course, working with Arif for the first time. 822 00:50:15,434 --> 00:50:17,520 Fortunately for us, Arif said, 823 00:50:17,686 --> 00:50:19,230 "Well, this was a good start," 824 00:50:19,396 --> 00:50:20,481 "let's do another album." 825 00:50:21,065 --> 00:50:23,234 And we didn't expect that, 826 00:50:23,442 --> 00:50:25,110 and... 827 00:50:25,277 --> 00:50:27,696 That was the opening of 461 Ocean Boulevard, isn't it? 828 00:50:27,863 --> 00:50:30,241 And that's when Eric Clapton said, 829 00:50:30,407 --> 00:50:31,283 "I've just done this album called" 830 00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:32,618 "461 Ocean Boulevard." 831 00:50:32,785 --> 00:50:35,579 "Why don't you go and rent the same house" 832 00:50:35,788 --> 00:50:37,540 "and record in America instead of England" 833 00:50:37,957 --> 00:50:39,959 "and see what that does for you spiritually?" 834 00:50:40,125 --> 00:50:41,502 He said, "It really worked for me." 835 00:50:41,669 --> 00:50:44,338 "I feel like a totally different artist" 836 00:50:44,505 --> 00:50:48,092 "having moved away from that whole English syndrome." 837 00:50:56,308 --> 00:50:58,561 When we got to Miami, all of a sudden, sunshine. 838 00:50:58,727 --> 00:51:01,438 This is paradise... 839 00:51:01,605 --> 00:51:03,107 compared to where we just came from. 840 00:51:03,274 --> 00:51:04,733 And we got Arif Mardin... 841 00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:06,610 because we wanted Arif after Mr. Natural. 842 00:51:06,819 --> 00:51:07,820 When we worked with him on Main Course, 843 00:51:07,945 --> 00:51:08,946 he knew us, 844 00:51:09,238 --> 00:51:11,657 and he brought out the best in every one of us. 845 00:51:11,824 --> 00:51:12,491 He taught me bass... 846 00:51:12,658 --> 00:51:13,701 I didn't know I could play. 847 00:51:13,867 --> 00:51:15,160 That's how much I admire that man. 848 00:51:15,327 --> 00:51:18,122 He wouldn't play himself. Brilliant pianist. 849 00:51:18,372 --> 00:51:20,291 But he didn't believe in playing on his own records. 850 00:51:20,457 --> 00:51:24,086 He would come up with these little things, suggest them to the band... 851 00:51:24,253 --> 00:51:25,838 He was like a little boy, wasn't he? His enthusiasm. 852 00:51:26,005 --> 00:51:28,132 Working with the band. 853 00:51:28,841 --> 00:51:30,759 Arif knew exactly where we needed to go. 854 00:51:31,468 --> 00:51:33,470 He taught us everything we know about production. 855 00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:36,557 He'd been a great teacher, great mentor. 856 00:51:36,849 --> 00:51:39,018 We spent about three or four weeks... 857 00:51:39,393 --> 00:51:41,854 writing about three or four songs that were... 858 00:51:42,021 --> 00:51:43,439 three of which were rejected 859 00:51:43,606 --> 00:51:44,982 and one which was accepted, 860 00:51:45,149 --> 00:51:46,483 which was called Wind Of Change. 861 00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:48,235 When it came to dubbing the bass on Wind of Change, 862 00:51:48,402 --> 00:51:49,612 I came in, 863 00:51:49,945 --> 00:51:51,030 and Arif said "OK?" 864 00:51:51,196 --> 00:51:51,989 I said, "Yep." 865 00:51:52,156 --> 00:51:53,240 So, we started the track 866 00:51:53,407 --> 00:51:54,325 and I did one take, 867 00:51:54,491 --> 00:51:55,743 and he went, "Wonderful," 868 00:51:56,660 --> 00:51:58,162 without changing a part, 869 00:51:58,579 --> 00:51:59,622 and I said, 870 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,873 "You don't want to change this?" 871 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,042 He said, "No! that was brilliant. Wonderful." 872 00:52:04,084 --> 00:52:05,669 And I knew I'd made it in his eyes, 873 00:52:05,878 --> 00:52:08,130 because he never told me to change anything. 874 00:52:08,547 --> 00:52:09,840 Because of what he taught me, 875 00:52:10,007 --> 00:52:12,384 from all the previous tracks I'd played bass on, 876 00:52:12,718 --> 00:52:15,596 I was with him, I was behind the beat. 877 00:52:15,763 --> 00:52:17,890 He was going, "Great, great." 878 00:52:18,724 --> 00:52:20,017 And I was chuffed. 879 00:52:20,184 --> 00:52:22,227 I went home laughing my head off. 880 00:52:22,394 --> 00:52:23,020 I couldn't believe it. 881 00:52:23,187 --> 00:52:24,730 I'd played the way he loved it. 882 00:52:36,659 --> 00:52:38,410 The next thing after Wind Of Change 883 00:52:38,577 --> 00:52:39,411 was Nights On Broadway, 884 00:52:39,578 --> 00:52:40,245 'cause Ahmet said, 885 00:52:40,412 --> 00:52:41,997 "I want more like that." 886 00:53:44,518 --> 00:53:45,936 And so, Nights On Broadway, 887 00:53:46,103 --> 00:53:47,730 or rather Lights On Broadway, 888 00:53:47,896 --> 00:53:51,734 which is what it was called in the first place, became the second accepted track, 889 00:53:51,984 --> 00:53:53,610 and it just moved on from there. 890 00:53:53,777 --> 00:53:57,239 Jive Talkin' happened during the middle of the sessions 891 00:53:57,573 --> 00:53:59,616 when we were driving home one night... 892 00:53:59,783 --> 00:54:00,576 over a bridge. 893 00:54:00,743 --> 00:54:01,869 I just remember going in the car... 894 00:54:02,035 --> 00:54:05,122 and hearing this... 895 00:54:05,289 --> 00:54:06,457 every time we crossed this bridge. 896 00:54:13,756 --> 00:54:14,465 And Barry had noticed it... 897 00:54:14,631 --> 00:54:17,384 and he was going... 898 00:54:17,801 --> 00:54:18,802 Thinking of the dance. 899 00:54:18,969 --> 00:54:20,304 "You dance with your eyes." 900 00:54:20,471 --> 00:54:21,263 That's all he had. 901 00:54:21,513 --> 00:54:25,309 And we were going... 902 00:54:25,476 --> 00:54:26,643 At exactly 35 miles an hour, 903 00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:28,061 that's what we got. 904 00:54:47,164 --> 00:54:48,165 We played it to Arif, 905 00:54:48,332 --> 00:54:51,043 and he went, "Do you know what jive talkin' means?" 906 00:54:51,168 --> 00:54:52,586 And we said, "Well, yeah." 907 00:54:52,753 --> 00:54:54,463 "It's, you know, you're dancing." 908 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,964 He says, "No." 909 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:57,966 I'm putting on this Turkish accent... 910 00:54:58,133 --> 00:54:59,468 because this is how he talks. 911 00:54:59,968 --> 00:55:00,761 And he says, "No." 912 00:55:00,928 --> 00:55:03,055 "It's a black expression for bull****ing" 913 00:55:03,806 --> 00:55:05,349 And we went, "Oh, really?" 914 00:55:05,516 --> 00:55:08,352 "Jive talkin', you're telling me lies..." 915 00:55:09,311 --> 00:55:10,145 And changed it. 916 00:55:13,315 --> 00:55:15,818 But he gave us the groove, the tempo, everything. 917 00:55:15,984 --> 00:55:17,277 He said, "This is your groove." 918 00:55:17,444 --> 00:55:18,612 Because we were English, 919 00:55:18,862 --> 00:55:20,405 we were less self-conscious 920 00:55:20,572 --> 00:55:22,324 about exploring the no-go areas 921 00:55:22,658 --> 00:55:25,619 that a lot of American artists and groups would have done. 922 00:55:25,786 --> 00:55:26,453 Especially white ones. 923 00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:27,871 They were always saying, 924 00:55:28,038 --> 00:55:29,873 "Don't go in the black area." 925 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,041 "You've got to be, you know..." 926 00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:32,793 If you were white, you just stayed out. 927 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,211 People were scared that, 928 00:55:34,378 --> 00:55:35,712 if they did, they would make fools of themselves. 929 00:55:35,879 --> 00:55:38,090 But we did it... because we were serious about it. 930 00:55:38,257 --> 00:55:40,342 We didn't think that there was any no-go areas. 931 00:55:40,509 --> 00:55:41,343 It was music. 932 00:55:52,145 --> 00:55:52,729 Robert Stigwood wanted... 933 00:55:52,896 --> 00:55:54,565 Jive Talkin' as the first single. 934 00:55:54,773 --> 00:55:55,899 And Jerry Greenberg at Atlantic... 935 00:55:56,066 --> 00:55:57,693 and Ahmet Ertegun said, 936 00:55:57,860 --> 00:55:59,111 "We think Nights On Broadway," 937 00:55:59,278 --> 00:56:00,904 "because we don't think people" 938 00:56:01,238 --> 00:56:04,908 "will actually accept this from the Bee Gees" 939 00:56:05,117 --> 00:56:07,744 "because, first of all, you haven't done anything like this before," 940 00:56:07,911 --> 00:56:09,872 "and secondly, it's very black," 941 00:56:10,038 --> 00:56:11,582 "it's not something that would be accepted." 942 00:56:11,748 --> 00:56:14,251 Robert said, "That's exactly why..." 943 00:56:14,418 --> 00:56:15,335 "I want this to be the first single." 944 00:56:15,502 --> 00:56:17,004 When Jive Talkin' came out, 945 00:56:17,212 --> 00:56:18,422 everybody went, "Who?" 946 00:56:19,256 --> 00:56:21,675 "The Bee Gees 'Broken Heart' Bee Gees? Are you kidding?" 947 00:56:22,217 --> 00:56:24,219 "You mean, the same group that did... 948 00:56:24,595 --> 00:56:26,555 Whoa." Nobody knew. 949 00:56:27,139 --> 00:56:28,724 And that changed our whole career. 950 00:56:28,891 --> 00:56:30,726 And it became a number one record. 951 00:56:30,976 --> 00:56:34,396 And we knew that was the start of the... 952 00:56:34,980 --> 00:56:37,941 our black music influences with Arif Mardin 953 00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:40,944 being expressed to its full potential. 954 00:56:41,153 --> 00:56:42,404 We were completing Nights On Broadway, 955 00:56:42,571 --> 00:56:44,072 we'd just done most of the vocal tracks... 956 00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,908 and all the harmonies and stuff, 957 00:56:46,450 --> 00:56:47,326 and usually, at the end... 958 00:56:47,492 --> 00:56:48,619 you have some ad libs 959 00:56:48,785 --> 00:56:50,913 to take us away from the original melody... 960 00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:51,955 and have some fun. 961 00:56:52,122 --> 00:56:54,166 Arif wanted us to sort of sing, 962 00:56:54,333 --> 00:56:55,959 or try to scream like Paul McCartney... 963 00:56:56,168 --> 00:56:57,794 would sometimes scream in falsetto. 964 00:56:57,961 --> 00:56:59,129 So, Barry said, "I'll have a go." 965 00:56:59,338 --> 00:57:01,298 So, he did the "blaming it alls"... 966 00:57:01,465 --> 00:57:03,091 ad lib on the end of... 967 00:57:03,258 --> 00:57:04,009 Nights On Broadway. 968 00:57:16,563 --> 00:57:18,315 He screamed, and it's the first time... 969 00:57:18,482 --> 00:57:20,442 I've heard him scream in tune with the melody. 970 00:57:20,609 --> 00:57:22,861 And in doing so, I discovered I had a falsetto voice. 971 00:57:26,657 --> 00:57:27,908 I knew it was back there somewhere, 972 00:57:28,075 --> 00:57:30,243 because we'd tried things like that early on. 973 00:57:30,661 --> 00:57:32,204 And we thought, "That's brilliant." 974 00:57:32,996 --> 00:57:35,248 So, after that, actually, we wrote "Fanny Be Tender" 975 00:57:35,415 --> 00:57:38,335 'cause we wanted to do a whole song in falsetto. 976 00:57:38,502 --> 00:57:39,544 'Cause we loved the Stylistics, 977 00:57:39,711 --> 00:57:43,256 we loved the Spinners, the Delfonics. 978 00:57:43,423 --> 00:57:45,425 They were coming out with these records like... 979 00:57:46,969 --> 00:57:49,012 they were all falsetto lead singers. 980 00:57:49,346 --> 00:57:51,640 And that was black, R&B, at the time, 981 00:57:51,807 --> 00:57:53,350 that's what they called it at the time. 982 00:57:53,642 --> 00:57:55,102 We were into all that stuff. 983 00:58:17,082 --> 00:58:19,626 Fanny Be Tender, I think, convinced us 984 00:58:20,127 --> 00:58:21,461 that we were now recording... 985 00:58:21,628 --> 00:58:24,464 the kind of music that was going to take us to the next plateau. 986 00:58:24,631 --> 00:58:29,219 For the first time also, apart from going onto the Billboard Pop Charts, 987 00:58:29,386 --> 00:58:31,346 we were actually on the black charts as well 988 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,598 where there were no white acts, 989 00:58:33,765 --> 00:58:35,517 and that was telling us something, 990 00:58:35,684 --> 00:58:40,272 that we were in an area we would never have gone into before. 991 00:58:54,411 --> 00:58:55,912 We just felt tremendously happy. 992 00:58:56,163 --> 00:58:58,373 We were just so knocked out hat we had an audience again, 993 00:58:59,249 --> 00:59:00,751 and to have that success, 994 00:59:00,917 --> 00:59:02,085 'cause even before that 995 00:59:02,294 --> 00:59:03,754 we weren't even looking for a thing like a Fever, 996 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,588 or anything like that, 997 00:59:04,755 --> 00:59:06,673 we were just making music. 998 00:59:07,382 --> 00:59:08,425 And Children Of The World, 999 00:59:08,592 --> 00:59:09,634 which followed that, 1000 00:59:09,801 --> 00:59:11,053 we had You Should Be Dancing, 1001 00:59:11,428 --> 00:59:13,096 which is the only obvious dance song we ever wrote, 1002 00:59:13,263 --> 00:59:16,183 and Love So Right were two number ones off that. 1003 00:59:16,475 --> 00:59:18,185 They were, like, triple platinum. 1004 00:59:18,351 --> 00:59:20,312 We were just coasting along here. 1005 00:59:20,437 --> 00:59:21,813 "We're having a ball. This is great." 1006 00:59:21,980 --> 00:59:23,774 We were having a great time, 1007 00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:25,442 and it's only till the Fever thing happened, 1008 00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:27,611 that's when everything exploded, 1009 00:59:28,445 --> 00:59:29,780 when the world just went crazy. 1010 00:59:49,591 --> 00:59:51,009 We had a phone call from Robert 1011 00:59:51,176 --> 00:59:53,595 saying Paramount was making a movie and he was producing. 1012 00:59:53,762 --> 00:59:54,805 He told us it was about this guy... 1013 00:59:54,971 --> 00:59:57,265 who works in a paint shop in Brooklyn, 1014 00:59:57,641 --> 00:59:59,142 he blows his wages every Saturday night in a club... 1015 00:59:59,309 --> 01:00:00,352 and wins a dance competition. 1016 01:00:00,477 --> 01:00:03,647 We thought, "Nice one, Rob." 1017 01:00:05,065 --> 01:00:07,109 John Travolta was dancing in the film to... 1018 01:00:07,275 --> 01:00:08,026 You Should Be Dancing, 1019 01:00:08,193 --> 01:00:08,985 which had been a hit off... 1020 01:00:09,152 --> 01:00:11,196 Children Of The World, the previous album. 1021 01:00:11,613 --> 01:00:14,116 And Robert wanted to know if we had anything, 1022 01:00:14,282 --> 01:00:16,785 or if we could write more songs for the film. 1023 01:00:17,077 --> 01:00:17,828 We went OK, 1024 01:00:17,994 --> 01:00:19,329 so we had Staying Alive, 1025 01:00:19,496 --> 01:00:20,497 How Deep Is Your Love, 1026 01:00:20,664 --> 01:00:22,040 and If I Can't Have You, 1027 01:00:22,207 --> 01:00:23,667 were the first three ones that he heard. 1028 01:00:23,917 --> 01:00:26,545 And he said, "Great, this is fantastic." 1029 01:00:26,878 --> 01:00:31,258 And to us, this was most likely to be our new album. 1030 01:00:31,424 --> 01:00:34,261 So he came back about a month later and asked for some more. 1031 01:00:35,387 --> 01:00:37,097 "Our album's gone now." 1032 01:00:37,264 --> 01:00:40,016 So we ended up with about eight of our songs in the film. 1033 01:00:40,183 --> 01:00:41,810 But in those days, you thought, 1034 01:00:42,102 --> 01:00:44,396 "God, you'd pay people to put your songs in a film." 1035 01:00:44,521 --> 01:00:45,939 "It's a great promotion." 1036 01:00:46,398 --> 01:00:48,108 There was a suggestion that... 1037 01:00:48,275 --> 01:00:50,944 Stayin' Alive should be called Saturday Night, 1038 01:00:51,361 --> 01:00:53,113 and Robert said, "No, you should keep it." 1039 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,823 "Stayin' Alive? It's like buried alive." 1040 01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:56,950 No, the opposite. 1041 01:00:57,117 --> 01:00:58,243 It's actually staying alive. 1042 01:00:58,618 --> 01:01:00,537 And Robert dug his heels in, 1043 01:01:00,704 --> 01:01:02,497 because they thought it was a very sophisticated title... 1044 01:01:02,664 --> 01:01:03,415 for a popular song, 1045 01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:05,208 but we wouldn't budge, 1046 01:01:05,375 --> 01:01:07,043 because there are so many songs called Saturday Night. 1047 01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:08,879 But we did have a song called Night Fever, 1048 01:01:09,045 --> 01:01:10,213 and the compromise was 1049 01:01:10,422 --> 01:01:12,716 that we suggested the title of the film should be... 1050 01:01:12,883 --> 01:01:14,217 Saturday Night Fever, 1051 01:01:14,467 --> 01:01:16,720 but we would have the song Night Fever on the album... 1052 01:01:16,887 --> 01:01:17,846 without Saturday on it. 1053 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,602 So we stayed on the path that we'd always stayed on, 1054 01:02:05,769 --> 01:02:10,106 and that is, "Let's just make what we believe is a great record." 1055 01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:12,359 And we continued with that... 1056 01:02:12,525 --> 01:02:14,277 for about six or seven songs, 1057 01:02:15,028 --> 01:02:18,907 never really knowing whether or not they were going to be used in the movie. 1058 01:02:19,115 --> 01:02:20,116 We didn't go near the film. 1059 01:02:20,283 --> 01:02:22,494 The only time we went near the film was the premiere 1060 01:02:22,661 --> 01:02:24,663 where we stood at the back of the theatre listening, 1061 01:02:25,121 --> 01:02:27,874 and at least being able to say to Robert, 1062 01:02:28,166 --> 01:02:31,127 "It's wonderful, but when you're in a club," 1063 01:02:31,294 --> 01:02:32,796 "you can't hear people dancing." 1064 01:02:33,755 --> 01:02:35,632 - That's right. - The music was too soft. 1065 01:02:36,299 --> 01:02:39,511 And if you're in a club, you don't hear people going like... 1066 01:02:39,678 --> 01:02:40,303 You don't hear their feet. 1067 01:02:40,512 --> 01:02:42,264 You don't hear all this stuff. 1068 01:02:43,139 --> 01:02:45,475 Robert got the point, pumped the music up, 1069 01:02:46,184 --> 01:02:47,811 took out all the noises of the feet, 1070 01:02:47,978 --> 01:02:49,020 and that's what you have now. 1071 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:48,371 Being in Miami, you're in a sort of goldfish bowl. 1072 01:03:48,538 --> 01:03:50,707 You don't see much of what's going on out there. 1073 01:03:51,166 --> 01:03:53,335 When we were here writing for the Spirits album, 1074 01:03:53,501 --> 01:03:56,129 we didn't think about what Fever was doing, 1075 01:03:56,296 --> 01:03:58,173 we didn't really know that much. 1076 01:03:58,590 --> 01:04:00,008 We were locked away for about a month... 1077 01:04:00,175 --> 01:04:01,760 before How Deep Is Your Love came out, 1078 01:04:01,926 --> 01:04:04,346 and that was a number one before the film came out. 1079 01:04:04,846 --> 01:04:06,014 I remember everyone saying, 1080 01:04:06,181 --> 01:04:07,182 "What a great R&B ballad." 1081 01:04:07,390 --> 01:04:08,350 And as soon as the film came out... 1082 01:04:08,516 --> 01:04:09,976 they said, "What a great disco ballad." 1083 01:04:10,143 --> 01:04:11,603 It was so opposite, it was so funny. 1084 01:04:11,853 --> 01:04:13,396 The one thing that still affects us... 1085 01:04:13,563 --> 01:04:14,522 is How Deep Is Your Love. 1086 01:04:14,689 --> 01:04:17,067 No matter how it's sung, it's still a beautiful song. 1087 01:04:17,233 --> 01:04:19,944 So it wasn't all what you would call dance music. 1088 01:04:20,278 --> 01:04:22,572 But then of course we became the biggest disco band around, 1089 01:04:22,739 --> 01:04:24,616 which totally amazed us, 1090 01:04:24,741 --> 01:04:27,369 because we always thought KC was the disco thing, 1091 01:04:27,535 --> 01:04:28,620 and Donna Summer. 1092 01:04:28,745 --> 01:04:29,746 It was all great fun stuff, 1093 01:04:29,913 --> 01:04:30,663 it was party music, 1094 01:04:30,830 --> 01:04:32,791 but we never regarded ourselves as that. 1095 01:04:32,999 --> 01:04:35,001 All I know is when we were recording these songs, 1096 01:04:35,543 --> 01:04:36,878 we didn't think about dancing, 1097 01:04:37,045 --> 01:04:39,506 we were just thinking about songs. 1098 01:04:39,672 --> 01:04:40,173 We didn't even know... 1099 01:04:40,340 --> 01:04:42,592 the word disco music existed. 1100 01:04:42,759 --> 01:04:43,927 It was coined after the film, 1101 01:04:44,094 --> 01:04:45,345 because of the film's success. 1102 01:04:45,512 --> 01:04:47,806 None of us expected the success that Fever had. 1103 01:04:48,056 --> 01:04:50,308 And the album started doing a million a week. 1104 01:04:50,475 --> 01:04:51,810 This was pretty shocking for us. 1105 01:04:51,976 --> 01:04:54,562 We couldn't even look at those numbers, we couldn't understand it. 1106 01:04:54,771 --> 01:04:57,399 Such a phenomenon, other record companies were printing it, 1107 01:04:57,565 --> 01:04:59,275 our record company couldn't keep up the pace. 1108 01:05:10,328 --> 01:05:11,287 It was an incredible feeling, 1109 01:05:11,454 --> 01:05:13,123 it was like being in the eye of a storm. 1110 01:05:13,289 --> 01:05:15,875 You didn't have a real sense of what was going on around you. 1111 01:05:16,418 --> 01:05:20,463 You couldn't answer your phone and you had people climbing over your walls. 1112 01:05:21,214 --> 01:05:23,675 So, it was extremely crazy... 1113 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,343 and something we weren't used to 1114 01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:26,511 because we'd never experienced... 1115 01:05:26,678 --> 01:05:29,139 that kind of fame or good fortune. 1116 01:05:29,305 --> 01:05:31,641 It actually has affected, in many ways, 1117 01:05:31,808 --> 01:05:34,269 the culture in a very sort of subconscious way 1118 01:05:34,686 --> 01:05:36,521 that very few vehicles have. 1119 01:05:36,813 --> 01:05:39,315 And that's an amazing thing is it still gets played, 1120 01:05:39,482 --> 01:05:41,693 and we don't even understand that. 1121 01:05:42,277 --> 01:05:44,737 We just... we're bewildered by it. 1122 01:05:44,904 --> 01:05:47,699 There's something magical about when something happens, 1123 01:05:47,824 --> 01:05:49,659 you just don't know where this is, 1124 01:05:49,826 --> 01:05:54,414 where this captures the imagination of millions of people at the same time. 1125 01:05:54,747 --> 01:05:57,500 It goes beyond being just a hit album. 1126 01:06:08,344 --> 01:06:10,388 Disco is a bad word 1127 01:06:11,014 --> 01:06:16,227 if you're not the group that disco is built around. 1128 01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:19,481 And we're the group that disco was built around. 1129 01:06:19,856 --> 01:06:22,400 And so, based on that, 1130 01:06:22,567 --> 01:06:24,402 we're very, very happy with the word disco. 1131 01:06:24,569 --> 01:06:25,111 Absolutely. 1132 01:06:25,278 --> 01:06:29,449 It was an amazing experience in the recording industry. 1133 01:06:29,616 --> 01:06:30,617 There was no radio station... 1134 01:06:30,783 --> 01:06:35,079 that wasn't playing back-to-back Gibb brothers songs. 1135 01:06:35,246 --> 01:06:39,000 And of course, the record business was pretty angry 1136 01:06:39,167 --> 01:06:41,461 'cause they couldn't get records on the playlist. 1137 01:06:41,628 --> 01:06:44,339 It was number one on the Billboard Chart for six months unbroken. 1138 01:06:44,547 --> 01:06:47,091 Fever did around 30 to 35 million. 1139 01:06:47,258 --> 01:06:49,052 Thriller did approximately 50 million 1140 01:06:49,385 --> 01:06:52,180 and we're quite happy to be second to Michael 1141 01:06:52,347 --> 01:06:55,016 and we've had a lot of giggles about that. 1142 01:07:04,108 --> 01:07:05,818 Ladies and gentleman, our brother Andy! 1143 01:07:16,913 --> 01:07:19,791 The door was always open for Andy. It was not like ever closed off. 1144 01:07:19,999 --> 01:07:23,294 Andy wanted to be one of us, always wanted to be part of us, 1145 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,965 and the difference in the age was quite radical. 1146 01:07:27,131 --> 01:07:28,800 So, it never quite worked out. 1147 01:07:29,092 --> 01:07:32,595 As time went on, Andy watching, listening, 1148 01:07:32,804 --> 01:07:34,264 witnessing what we were doing, 1149 01:07:34,430 --> 01:07:38,017 began to feel this was something he could do too as an individual. 1150 01:07:38,184 --> 01:07:39,185 And that's really how it came about. 1151 01:07:39,352 --> 01:07:43,898 The first time I ever saw Andy perform in the way that we had performed... 1152 01:07:44,065 --> 01:07:45,400 was onstage in Ibiza. 1153 01:07:45,567 --> 01:07:47,235 We were living in Ibiza at the time... 1154 01:07:47,402 --> 01:07:49,153 and frequenting a certain club, 1155 01:07:49,445 --> 01:07:51,906 and Andy would get up on stage and sing. 1156 01:07:52,615 --> 01:07:55,118 And we'd also strum a lot at home 1157 01:07:55,285 --> 01:07:58,413 and sing old Mills Brothers songs and all that stuff. 1158 01:07:58,580 --> 01:08:00,999 And I began to realize that Andy was doing... 1159 01:08:01,165 --> 01:08:02,333 what the three of us were doing. 1160 01:08:02,625 --> 01:08:08,506 And realizing that herein is another young artist waiting to come out. 1161 01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:10,842 Any resemblance between this next fella 1162 01:08:11,009 --> 01:08:13,094 and the Bee Gees is purely intentional... 1163 01:08:13,261 --> 01:08:14,262 it's their younger brother Andy. 1164 01:08:14,429 --> 01:08:16,097 Andy Gibb and his debut single release, 1165 01:08:16,264 --> 01:08:17,181 already a hit in America, 1166 01:08:17,348 --> 01:08:19,726 called I Just Wanna Be Your Everything. 1167 01:09:24,207 --> 01:09:24,916 We were like twins. 1168 01:09:25,083 --> 01:09:27,210 His voice was very much like mine. It was uncanny. 1169 01:09:27,377 --> 01:09:29,170 We had almost the same kind of voice. 1170 01:09:29,379 --> 01:09:33,049 Robin's voice, much higher than mine or Andy's, but we were very much alike. 1171 01:09:33,216 --> 01:09:34,550 We even had the same birthmarks, 1172 01:09:34,717 --> 01:09:36,260 which we could never figure out. 1173 01:09:36,803 --> 01:09:39,597 We were alike in so many ways, it was unbelievable. 1174 01:09:39,764 --> 01:09:41,474 We were the only two brothers who loved tennis, 1175 01:09:41,641 --> 01:09:43,559 and we shared all the same ideals, 1176 01:09:43,726 --> 01:09:45,061 all the same opinions about things. 1177 01:09:45,228 --> 01:09:46,604 We never differed on anything. 1178 01:10:04,414 --> 01:10:06,708 I made sure Robert heard what Andy had been doing. 1179 01:10:06,874 --> 01:10:09,210 Andy invited Robert and I to Bermuda. 1180 01:10:09,794 --> 01:10:12,255 We'd convinced Andy to get together with me 1181 01:10:12,422 --> 01:10:14,090 to see if we could come up with something. 1182 01:10:14,257 --> 01:10:15,842 The first thing was... 1183 01:10:16,008 --> 01:10:17,135 I Just Want To Be Your Everything, 1184 01:10:17,301 --> 01:10:18,886 the second was Thicker Than Water, 1185 01:10:19,262 --> 01:10:22,306 and the third was something all four of us wrote together... 1186 01:10:22,724 --> 01:10:23,933 called Shadow Dancing. 1187 01:10:33,443 --> 01:10:34,444 He started writing more... 1188 01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:35,987 and he was getting better. 1189 01:10:36,112 --> 01:10:38,489 He was doing very well in terms of number ones... 1190 01:10:38,698 --> 01:10:39,991 and consecutive singles. 1191 01:10:40,116 --> 01:10:41,284 If it was an artist today, 1192 01:10:41,451 --> 01:10:42,785 it would be loud and proud. 1193 01:11:01,095 --> 01:11:02,638 Andy had great strife in life, 1194 01:11:02,805 --> 01:11:04,015 not unlike Maurice's. 1195 01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:05,850 And perhaps, perhaps not, 1196 01:11:06,142 --> 01:11:07,435 that's what ended his life. 1197 01:11:07,602 --> 01:11:09,187 But with the drugs and the cocaine abuse 1198 01:11:09,353 --> 01:11:12,148 that he had done in LA and stuff over his young life, 1199 01:11:12,315 --> 01:11:14,817 he had been involved with a lot of people who were doing drugs. 1200 01:11:15,318 --> 01:11:17,028 So, about six months before he died, 1201 01:11:17,153 --> 01:11:18,738 he went back to England to stay at Robin's house. 1202 01:11:18,905 --> 01:11:20,323 Then we'd heard he was hitting the liquor store, 1203 01:11:20,490 --> 01:11:21,908 and he did it for 48 hours, 1204 01:11:22,074 --> 01:11:25,286 I believe, he was drinking, when he was taken into hospital. 1205 01:11:25,745 --> 01:11:27,497 The day before was his 30th birthday. 1206 01:11:27,663 --> 01:11:28,873 I called to wish him happy birthday 1207 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,291 and Robin said "He can't come to the phone," 1208 01:11:30,458 --> 01:11:31,709 "he's out of his skull." 1209 01:11:32,335 --> 01:11:35,213 And I said, "Oh, well, tell him to sod off." "Go away." 1210 01:11:35,379 --> 01:11:37,590 And I put the phone down, and I got very angry. 1211 01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:39,717 And I thought, "When will he learn?" 1212 01:11:46,599 --> 01:11:48,559 And it was three days after that. 1213 01:11:48,726 --> 01:11:50,853 Ken, who works for Robin, called us 1214 01:11:51,062 --> 01:11:52,855 about six in the morning, seven in the morning, 1215 01:11:53,314 --> 01:11:57,401 and said that Andy had passed away, and I just dropped the phone. 1216 01:12:10,081 --> 01:12:10,456 The last thing... 1217 01:12:10,623 --> 01:12:12,708 that happened between me and Andy, was an argument, 1218 01:12:12,875 --> 01:12:14,085 which is devastating for me, 1219 01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:15,795 because I have to live with that all my life. 1220 01:12:16,045 --> 01:12:18,214 There was a phone call between him and me. 1221 01:12:18,381 --> 01:12:21,259 I was saying, "You've got to get your act together, this is no good." 1222 01:12:21,425 --> 01:12:24,887 Instead of being gentle about it, I was angry, 1223 01:12:25,263 --> 01:12:27,807 because someone had said to me at some point, 1224 01:12:27,974 --> 01:12:29,517 "Tough love is the answer." 1225 01:12:29,976 --> 01:12:31,519 So for me it wasn't, 1226 01:12:31,686 --> 01:12:33,020 because that was the last conversation we had. 1227 01:12:33,187 --> 01:12:35,064 That's my regret, that's what I live with. 1228 01:12:35,231 --> 01:12:37,149 We approached him to be a Bee Gee, 1229 01:12:37,316 --> 01:12:39,151 we would've loved him to have been a Bee Gee. 1230 01:12:39,318 --> 01:12:41,445 I think if he had've been, 1231 01:12:41,612 --> 01:12:43,614 he may still be with us, 1232 01:12:44,282 --> 01:12:46,325 but then, we don't know. 1233 01:12:47,201 --> 01:12:48,077 Michael Jackson, for instance, 1234 01:12:48,244 --> 01:12:49,787 I think if people had said all the nice things 1235 01:12:49,954 --> 01:12:51,581 they did on the day he died, 1236 01:12:51,747 --> 01:12:54,125 when he was alive, he may still have been alive. 1237 01:12:54,584 --> 01:12:55,960 That's just the irony, but... 1238 01:12:56,335 --> 01:12:58,546 some people need to hear it when they're alive. 1239 01:13:05,261 --> 01:13:07,138 We had to go in the studio the week after. 1240 01:13:07,263 --> 01:13:08,681 We thought, maybe if we got back to work... 1241 01:13:08,973 --> 01:13:11,434 we can get re-centered, or something. 1242 01:13:11,642 --> 01:13:13,394 And I had to... 1243 01:13:15,563 --> 01:13:18,232 I was playing the strings, and it was very beautiful. 1244 01:13:19,066 --> 01:13:21,402 Barry and Robin just started crying, and I just started crying. 1245 01:13:21,569 --> 01:13:22,612 I said, "I can't play." 1246 01:13:22,778 --> 01:13:23,946 We went home, 1247 01:13:24,238 --> 01:13:25,865 and about a month later we came back in... 1248 01:13:26,032 --> 01:13:28,784 and then we did Wish You Were Here for Andy. 1249 01:13:29,410 --> 01:13:31,537 And that was difficult to sing, very difficult, 1250 01:13:31,996 --> 01:13:33,748 but we wanted to sing it, we wanted to do it. 1251 01:13:34,624 --> 01:13:37,960 But there was such a hauntingness on the sound I was getting on the keyboards, 1252 01:13:38,169 --> 01:13:39,629 it was so pretty. 1253 01:13:39,879 --> 01:13:40,796 And I was just playing these chords... 1254 01:13:40,963 --> 01:13:42,632 that just went into beautiful melodies 1255 01:13:43,341 --> 01:13:46,427 and Barry and Robin just... "Maybe next week," 1256 01:13:46,677 --> 01:13:47,595 and we left. 1257 01:14:00,983 --> 01:14:02,485 - No. - Hang on. 1258 01:14:02,652 --> 01:14:04,987 - It's too slow. - The way we rehearsed it last night. 1259 01:14:05,196 --> 01:14:05,988 We'll go straight again. 1260 01:14:21,379 --> 01:14:22,505 - Go on, now. - Go on, now. 1261 01:14:25,758 --> 01:14:27,551 - No, hold it. Hold it. - One more. 1262 01:14:27,802 --> 01:14:28,219 It would be nice 1263 01:14:28,344 --> 01:14:29,887 if we could find a bigger sound for that solo. 1264 01:14:30,346 --> 01:14:33,182 - Great. - Bigger, rounder. All right. 1265 01:14:34,642 --> 01:14:36,477 Yeah, just like that, yeah, beautiful. 1266 01:14:36,936 --> 01:14:38,312 Let's do it again, second half of the chorus, 1267 01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,981 but bring that sound in, that's great. 1268 01:14:40,856 --> 01:14:44,777 Yeah. OK. One, two, three, four... 1269 01:14:50,825 --> 01:14:53,869 When somebody stops singing something really interesting, as soon as he stops, 1270 01:14:54,036 --> 01:14:57,665 an instrument takes over doing something that's equally interesting. 1271 01:14:58,582 --> 01:15:00,042 When that instrument stops and the voice comes back, 1272 01:15:00,251 --> 01:15:01,252 the voice has to be equally interesting 1273 01:15:01,377 --> 01:15:03,295 as the instrumental before it. 1274 01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:05,047 So, anywhere there's a space, 1275 01:15:05,214 --> 01:15:06,799 you make an interesting situation happen. 1276 01:15:16,517 --> 01:15:18,060 When we were doing Tragedy, for instance, 1277 01:15:18,394 --> 01:15:20,062 we wanted the sound of an explosion 1278 01:15:20,271 --> 01:15:22,481 to come at a certain point, to accentuate the track. 1279 01:15:23,274 --> 01:15:24,775 So we all gathered in the control booth, 1280 01:15:24,942 --> 01:15:26,068 and listened to the track back. 1281 01:15:26,944 --> 01:15:29,447 - It might work. - Now, listen. 1282 01:15:33,034 --> 01:15:34,410 - Right in that slot there. - An explosion. 1283 01:15:37,413 --> 01:15:38,831 - Perhaps a little earlier. - You will find it? 1284 01:15:38,998 --> 01:15:39,915 That's the place... 1285 01:15:40,082 --> 01:15:42,043 - What might work... you always sang it. 1286 01:15:42,334 --> 01:15:44,170 Yeah, just like I did then, 1287 01:15:44,336 --> 01:15:45,546 just go to the mic and go... 1288 01:15:46,714 --> 01:15:48,132 Maybe we can turn it into an explosion. 1289 01:15:48,299 --> 01:15:49,967 Let's try overloading it. 1290 01:15:50,134 --> 01:15:52,094 Try it first, just so we find the place, 1291 01:15:52,303 --> 01:15:53,387 see if you can find that beat. 1292 01:15:53,554 --> 01:15:55,931 - What about a real explosion? - The air force base? 1293 01:15:56,098 --> 01:15:57,016 Where do we find one? 1294 01:15:57,183 --> 01:15:58,768 Max has got some dynamite in his office. 1295 01:15:59,810 --> 01:16:02,354 - Let's go. - Let me give it a go... 1296 01:16:02,521 --> 01:16:04,774 - before we go to get the dynamite. - OK. 1297 01:16:05,441 --> 01:16:07,610 - This will be interesting. - Hope everything comes out all right. 1298 01:16:08,444 --> 01:16:08,944 See if he finds it. 1299 01:16:09,111 --> 01:16:11,614 Yeah. He's got to get it in the right spot. 1300 01:16:11,781 --> 01:16:14,617 Feed me some track. Let's give it a shot. 1301 01:16:28,672 --> 01:16:29,757 Sorry about that. 1302 01:16:29,924 --> 01:16:33,761 I think... Barry, loosen your shirt. 1303 01:16:35,387 --> 01:16:36,222 It was a prank. 1304 01:16:36,388 --> 01:16:39,141 Maybe you should just close your eyes and really concentrate on the meter. 1305 01:16:39,391 --> 01:16:41,894 - I'll be counting. - OK. I'll be counting. 1306 01:16:42,061 --> 01:16:43,145 I'll be counting! 1307 01:16:54,949 --> 01:16:56,700 - Yeah, that was it. - Yeah. 1308 01:16:57,284 --> 01:16:58,869 - Thank you. Great. - Fabulous. 1309 01:16:59,036 --> 01:16:59,745 That was a hair early 1310 01:16:59,912 --> 01:17:01,372 but I think when we're all together... 1311 01:17:01,539 --> 01:17:02,248 Let's hear it back. 1312 01:17:02,414 --> 01:17:03,833 It's gonna work with three of them together, 1313 01:17:03,999 --> 01:17:08,379 and maybe you could do something soundwise with them 1314 01:17:08,504 --> 01:17:10,631 -...that's gonna make them work as well. - Shut up and get in here. 1315 01:17:12,883 --> 01:17:15,094 Where was I? Yeah... You know that guy... 1316 01:17:15,678 --> 01:17:16,178 Let's hear it back. 1317 01:17:16,387 --> 01:17:17,513 You told me about him. 1318 01:17:18,472 --> 01:17:19,431 Was he still the same guy 1319 01:17:19,598 --> 01:17:21,892 as he was before? Really? 1320 01:17:30,192 --> 01:17:33,112 - There you go. Fantastic. - Very nice. Very nice. 1321 01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:07,062 In retrospect, we could've actually waited another year 1322 01:18:07,229 --> 01:18:09,690 or so before Spirits came out because it was... 1323 01:18:09,857 --> 01:18:11,734 Saturday Night Fever was still in the top ten... 1324 01:18:11,901 --> 01:18:13,485 even when we brought Spirits out. 1325 01:18:13,986 --> 01:18:15,779 Well, that was the "30-Ton Tour", I call it. 1326 01:18:16,530 --> 01:18:18,324 A lot of gear. 1327 01:18:18,490 --> 01:18:21,619 We had, like, six semi-trailers, and we had the 707 plane. 1328 01:18:22,077 --> 01:18:23,662 It was huge. 1329 01:18:24,079 --> 01:18:26,081 I mean, Dodger Stadium, places like that. 1330 01:18:26,248 --> 01:18:27,416 We used to dream of this. 1331 01:18:27,583 --> 01:18:30,669 Having people in the audience like Barbra Streisand 1332 01:18:31,003 --> 01:18:32,379 watching your show and loving it. 1333 01:18:32,546 --> 01:18:34,298 I mean, these are fantasies. 1334 01:18:34,465 --> 01:18:35,507 These are all dreams. 1335 01:18:35,674 --> 01:18:39,303 And to have a 707, black with red bottom 1336 01:18:39,470 --> 01:18:41,472 and our three heads on the tail and all this. 1337 01:18:41,639 --> 01:18:42,932 You're going, "Whoa!" 1338 01:18:43,265 --> 01:18:45,684 Even getting bomb threats, it was great, 1339 01:18:46,018 --> 01:18:47,102 because if you weren't important... 1340 01:18:47,269 --> 01:18:48,395 they wouldn't bomb you. 1341 01:19:37,528 --> 01:19:38,153 It was a great tour... 1342 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:39,822 and Andy joined us on that tour 1343 01:19:39,989 --> 01:19:41,740 in a few shows, even John Travolta. 1344 01:19:41,991 --> 01:19:43,993 It was just a fabulous experience. 1345 01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,161 To go on stage and see the audience... 1346 01:19:46,537 --> 01:19:47,746 'Cause I love... That's the only way you can... 1347 01:19:47,913 --> 01:19:51,375 say thank you, really, by going on stage live, for putting you there. 1348 01:19:51,542 --> 01:19:53,252 That was our way of thanking people... 1349 01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:55,004 because that's the only way you can do it. 1350 01:19:55,754 --> 01:19:57,464 Because if it wasn't for the audience, we wouldn't have been up there. 1351 01:20:04,179 --> 01:20:07,224 The 50-city tour that we did for Spirits 1352 01:20:07,391 --> 01:20:10,394 was really the beginning of Maurice's alcohol problems... 1353 01:20:10,561 --> 01:20:12,229 But, you see, I was always very protected. 1354 01:20:12,855 --> 01:20:15,399 I didn't get all the arrests that people would have got arrested, 1355 01:20:15,566 --> 01:20:17,943 'cause I was always protected by people looking after me, so... 1356 01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:20,154 "Oh, he's just having a good time." 1357 01:20:20,321 --> 01:20:21,447 And they'd take me up to my room. 1358 01:20:21,613 --> 01:20:22,656 I wouldn't worry about getting to bed, 1359 01:20:22,823 --> 01:20:24,074 because they would take me to bed. 1360 01:20:24,491 --> 01:20:25,868 So we had security and people... 1361 01:20:26,035 --> 01:20:27,578 looking after us and roadies and things... 1362 01:20:27,703 --> 01:20:32,833 Saved me from a lot of driving and speeding fines and drunk-driving tickets. 1363 01:20:33,375 --> 01:20:35,252 The only time I got the real first one was in the Isle of Man 1364 01:20:35,419 --> 01:20:37,046 because I was the only guy in a blue Rolls-Royce 1365 01:20:37,212 --> 01:20:38,630 driving around the Isle of Man drunk. 1366 01:20:38,797 --> 01:20:41,300 I sort of stuck out like a sore thumb. 1367 01:20:41,884 --> 01:20:43,469 It was more of a question of denial. 1368 01:20:44,345 --> 01:20:48,182 It was more, "Let's keep writing, Moe will be OK." 1369 01:20:48,891 --> 01:20:51,685 And the reason that the Streisand Guilty album 1370 01:20:51,852 --> 01:20:54,646 doesn't really involve Maurice on more than one song, 1371 01:20:54,813 --> 01:20:57,107 which is Guilty, was because at that very point, 1372 01:20:57,274 --> 01:21:00,819 Maurice had reached the razor's edge, he really needed to be in rehab. 1373 01:21:01,487 --> 01:21:08,077 And so this was really the whole family coming to the same conclusion. 1374 01:21:08,243 --> 01:21:11,455 Robin and I confronting Maurice at his home, 1375 01:21:11,622 --> 01:21:13,207 with Yvonne, his wife, 1376 01:21:14,083 --> 01:21:15,667 basically having to lay down a law... 1377 01:21:15,834 --> 01:21:17,628 which we did not want to lay down, 1378 01:21:18,128 --> 01:21:20,923 which was, "Moe, it ends now," 1379 01:21:21,090 --> 01:21:22,341 "or it ends forever." 1380 01:21:23,050 --> 01:21:28,138 And at that point Moe went into rehab and took the step. 1381 01:21:28,305 --> 01:21:30,349 And Robin and I waited for about six months... 1382 01:21:30,516 --> 01:21:32,643 for him to come back around. 1383 01:21:33,018 --> 01:21:34,895 Then we went back in the studio together 1384 01:21:35,104 --> 01:21:36,772 and carried on as we had before. 1385 01:21:45,447 --> 01:21:46,657 We weren't functioning as a group in the '80s. 1386 01:21:46,782 --> 01:21:48,200 We were concentrating on songwriting. 1387 01:21:48,367 --> 01:21:49,743 The whole "It's time to kill Fever," 1388 01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:51,578 "it's time to kill disco" period came in, 1389 01:21:51,745 --> 01:21:53,122 so we just sort of took a back seat. 1390 01:21:59,253 --> 01:22:00,546 The saturation point was ridiculous. 1391 01:22:00,712 --> 01:22:02,131 That's why we had to sit back, 1392 01:22:02,297 --> 01:22:04,967 and produce other people and write for other people. 1393 01:22:05,217 --> 01:22:06,635 When we heard they were having... 1394 01:22:06,802 --> 01:22:08,303 "Bee Gee-free weekends" in Chicago 1395 01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:09,763 and places like that, 1396 01:22:09,930 --> 01:22:10,889 it was scary stuff. 1397 01:22:11,557 --> 01:22:15,185 We thought, "We'd better take the Bee Gees on the back burner for a while" 1398 01:22:15,352 --> 01:22:17,563 "until this dies down or something." 1399 01:22:18,647 --> 01:22:21,191 So we couldn't do anything as the Bee Gees at all. 1400 01:22:21,483 --> 01:22:23,152 We didn't make an album till '87. 1401 01:22:23,318 --> 01:22:24,653 We'd done so much in the studio, 1402 01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:27,072 over so few years... 1403 01:22:27,364 --> 01:22:29,116 that I think it all caught up with us. 1404 01:22:32,494 --> 01:22:33,704 Personally, I thought, 1405 01:22:33,871 --> 01:22:35,456 "This will give us a chance to write..." 1406 01:22:35,622 --> 01:22:36,999 For other artists." 1407 01:22:37,166 --> 01:22:38,208 We got offered Barbra. 1408 01:22:38,375 --> 01:22:40,085 I called Neil Diamond and I said, 1409 01:22:40,252 --> 01:22:42,087 "What's Barbra like to work with?" 1410 01:22:42,254 --> 01:22:44,798 He said, "She's fantastic, just go for it." 1411 01:22:59,771 --> 01:23:01,523 I remember me and Barry writing in his bedroom. 1412 01:23:01,690 --> 01:23:03,859 We'd do a song each day... 1413 01:23:04,026 --> 01:23:05,110 and then the following week 1414 01:23:05,277 --> 01:23:08,363 we'd do the lyrics to the respective song that we'd written. 1415 01:23:08,864 --> 01:23:10,741 And we sent the seven songs that we'd finished... 1416 01:23:10,866 --> 01:23:12,784 at that point to Barbra Streisand. 1417 01:23:12,951 --> 01:23:14,036 We had an immediate yes, 1418 01:23:14,495 --> 01:23:15,162 she wanted to start right away. 1419 01:23:15,329 --> 01:23:16,997 So that was a very enjoyable experience. 1420 01:23:17,164 --> 01:23:17,623 From then, it was... 1421 01:23:17,789 --> 01:23:19,041 like Dionne Warwick's album, 1422 01:23:19,208 --> 01:23:20,501 Kenny Rogers and Dolly, 1423 01:23:21,043 --> 01:23:22,127 we all worked together and wrote. 1424 01:23:22,294 --> 01:23:24,379 I did solo stuff with Robin, which was great. 1425 01:23:24,588 --> 01:23:25,881 So everybody was doing something. 1426 01:23:26,089 --> 01:23:28,759 We were all sort of scattered at that point. 1427 01:23:28,884 --> 01:23:30,511 We all wanted some time away. 1428 01:23:30,677 --> 01:23:32,679 Robin wanted to live in New York for a little bit, 1429 01:23:33,222 --> 01:23:36,225 Maurice was having back surgery, 1430 01:23:36,892 --> 01:23:39,561 and all of these opportunities opened up, 1431 01:23:39,728 --> 01:23:40,604 we had nothing else to do. 1432 01:23:40,771 --> 01:23:42,606 That led to the Diana Ross album... 1433 01:23:42,773 --> 01:23:43,815 Chain Reaction 1434 01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:46,610 and the Kenny Rogers album with Dolly Parton... 1435 01:23:46,777 --> 01:23:47,986 and Islands In The Stream. 1436 01:24:05,379 --> 01:24:08,215 Islands I n The Stream started out as a soul song. 1437 01:24:08,382 --> 01:24:10,050 We came up with Islands In The Stream... 1438 01:24:10,217 --> 01:24:11,635 in our writing room upstairs. 1439 01:24:11,802 --> 01:24:12,886 We all looked at each other, 1440 01:24:13,053 --> 01:24:14,429 we knew we had a monster song, 1441 01:24:14,596 --> 01:24:16,265 we just didn't know who was going to record it... 1442 01:24:21,687 --> 01:24:23,105 We viewed it as an R&B song... 1443 01:24:23,272 --> 01:24:24,231 and not a country song. 1444 01:24:24,481 --> 01:24:26,483 And in the end it just came to show 1445 01:24:26,858 --> 01:24:29,820 that those two types of music are very close together. 1446 01:24:29,945 --> 01:24:32,573 And Islands In The Stream became a country song. 1447 01:24:33,198 --> 01:24:34,992 Really, we're talking about two careers here, 1448 01:24:35,325 --> 01:24:37,160 composers and artists. 1449 01:24:37,578 --> 01:24:41,373 And the two go together, 1450 01:24:41,540 --> 01:24:43,500 but then they're separate as well. 1451 01:24:43,917 --> 01:24:48,297 They are both very, very meaningful to us in their own way. 1452 01:24:48,463 --> 01:24:51,383 We see ourselves as composers first and artists second... 1453 01:24:51,550 --> 01:24:54,970 because we you can't have the second without the first. 1454 01:24:55,596 --> 01:24:58,015 We've always enjoyed writing for other people. 1455 01:24:58,181 --> 01:25:01,226 The greatest thing about being a writer, a songwriter, 1456 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:02,561 is when you write a song... 1457 01:25:02,728 --> 01:25:04,938 with someone in mind that you really love, 1458 01:25:05,355 --> 01:25:07,024 and then that person ends up singing it, 1459 01:25:07,816 --> 01:25:09,359 there's no reward like it. 1460 01:25:09,818 --> 01:25:11,612 We wrote a song for Céline Dion, 1461 01:25:11,903 --> 01:25:12,988 called Immortality, 1462 01:25:13,322 --> 01:25:15,198 she inspired the song, she inspires us, 1463 01:25:15,616 --> 01:25:17,909 probably the finest female pop singer in the world. 1464 01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:21,538 It was a dream that she might sing one of our songs one day. 1465 01:25:21,705 --> 01:25:23,373 And the dream came true. 1466 01:25:34,009 --> 01:25:36,887 We wrote Immortality for the Saturday Night Fever musical 1467 01:25:37,095 --> 01:25:38,972 and they wanted one big song at the end, 1468 01:25:39,139 --> 01:25:43,018 so the guy could come out... do the whole thing. 1469 01:25:43,393 --> 01:25:44,770 There was a guy that sang it in the show, 1470 01:25:44,936 --> 01:25:47,648 but we wrote it with Céline totally in mind. 1471 01:26:02,954 --> 01:26:03,872 When we write for girls, 1472 01:26:04,039 --> 01:26:06,750 Barry sings it in falsetto, because that's the girls' range, 1473 01:26:06,917 --> 01:26:08,210 so when they play the demo... 1474 01:26:08,377 --> 01:26:10,587 they can sing along and it'll be in their range. 1475 01:26:15,801 --> 01:26:17,761 When you hear the demo, you can hear Céline. 1476 01:26:18,679 --> 01:26:20,389 Then she said she wanted to record it. 1477 01:26:20,555 --> 01:26:21,973 Blew me away. 1478 01:26:28,397 --> 01:26:31,066 When we first heard Céline sing it, we burst into tears. 1479 01:26:31,233 --> 01:26:33,819 - Tissues were going everywhere. - It just destroyed us. 1480 01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:37,155 And that's how we left the building, completely in tears, 1481 01:26:37,531 --> 01:26:39,533 that this girl had done this with this song. 1482 01:29:28,368 --> 01:29:30,412 I always keep a little Dictaphone next to the bed. 1483 01:29:30,579 --> 01:29:34,124 About four in the morning, I woke up with this melody which was... 1484 01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:44,092 And that was it. I thought, "If I lose this..." 1485 01:29:46,261 --> 01:29:47,804 "It'll be gone forever," because... 1486 01:29:47,971 --> 01:29:50,181 the next day it's gone, it's just gone. 1487 01:29:50,348 --> 01:29:53,351 So I checked the machine, there was no cassette in it. 1488 01:29:53,977 --> 01:29:54,769 It's always the same. 1489 01:29:55,145 --> 01:29:57,397 So I was running round the house trying to find a cassette. 1490 01:29:57,856 --> 01:30:01,568 I found a cassette, got whatever I could down, 1491 01:30:01,818 --> 01:30:03,278 and played it to Robin the next day. 1492 01:30:16,124 --> 01:30:16,625 It was funny. 1493 01:30:16,791 --> 01:30:19,044 Unfortunately the record was never released here. 1494 01:30:19,210 --> 01:30:21,630 You Win Again, when it came out in 1987, 1495 01:30:21,796 --> 01:30:23,632 we'd just signed with Warners for a new deal 1496 01:30:23,798 --> 01:30:26,801 and this was the first record and everybody went gung ho on it. 1497 01:30:26,968 --> 01:30:28,470 And really did well. 1498 01:30:28,803 --> 01:30:31,181 And I remember we had these stomps put on it. 1499 01:30:31,514 --> 01:30:33,808 It was something in my studio, my garage that we'd come up with 1500 01:30:33,975 --> 01:30:36,978 and got it all together, there's no drums on there at all, 1501 01:30:37,145 --> 01:30:39,189 it's all just sounds that we made. 1502 01:30:39,773 --> 01:30:42,108 And Arif was producing the album with us, 1503 01:30:42,275 --> 01:30:44,152 and he said, "Great, when you come out to New York" 1504 01:30:44,319 --> 01:30:46,780 "we'll do You Win Again again." 1505 01:30:46,947 --> 01:30:49,449 'Cause we'd done the demo in my garage. 1506 01:30:49,616 --> 01:30:52,202 We got to New York and I'm thinking, 1507 01:30:52,327 --> 01:30:53,745 "They're gonna do the whole thing again." 1508 01:30:53,912 --> 01:30:55,956 "Where do we start?" 1509 01:30:56,247 --> 01:30:57,707 We had some programmers in there... 1510 01:30:57,874 --> 01:30:59,668 and he went, "Have you got the stomps?" 1511 01:30:59,834 --> 01:31:01,211 And I went, "No." 1512 01:31:01,461 --> 01:31:03,463 "I thought we were gonna do the whole thing again." 1513 01:31:03,964 --> 01:31:04,798 "No, you've gotta get the stomps," 1514 01:31:04,965 --> 01:31:06,007 "the stomps are what makes the record." 1515 01:31:06,174 --> 01:31:08,927 "The sound is part of the backtrack," 1516 01:31:09,094 --> 01:31:10,011 "we've got to have that." 1517 01:31:10,178 --> 01:31:13,848 So I had to get them sampled on my drum machine in Miami... 1518 01:31:14,015 --> 01:31:15,350 and the disc sent up... 1519 01:31:15,517 --> 01:31:17,686 We got it and then we embellished on it a bit more in the studio 1520 01:31:17,852 --> 01:31:20,021 and everybody at the record company wanted them off. 1521 01:31:21,648 --> 01:31:23,066 And we went, "No." 1522 01:31:23,733 --> 01:31:25,443 "Well, can you take them off the intro?" 1523 01:31:25,652 --> 01:31:26,528 "No." 1524 01:31:26,903 --> 01:31:28,405 "Can you turn them down a bit in the mix?" 1525 01:31:28,571 --> 01:31:29,447 "No." 1526 01:31:29,739 --> 01:31:31,241 "It's as it is, that's the record." 1527 01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:34,077 And they didn't like that. They weren't too happy about that. 1528 01:31:34,411 --> 01:31:35,328 And now everyone says, 1529 01:31:35,495 --> 01:31:36,871 "As soon as that record starts on the radio," 1530 01:31:37,038 --> 01:31:38,540 "you know it's the Bee Gees." 1531 01:31:38,832 --> 01:31:40,583 That was such a great signal. 1532 01:31:40,834 --> 01:31:42,711 It signaled to everybody that this song's coming. 1533 01:31:42,961 --> 01:31:44,838 It became Princess Diana's favorite song, 1534 01:31:45,005 --> 01:31:47,549 it was just amazing, the success that record had. 1535 01:31:48,008 --> 01:31:49,718 I knew I'd made it in the sampling 1536 01:31:49,884 --> 01:31:52,303 when Phil Collins came up to me at the airport and said, 1537 01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:54,014 "Can you give me a copy of the stomps?" 1538 01:32:56,951 --> 01:32:58,328 I think the Bee Gee sound... 1539 01:32:59,412 --> 01:33:00,413 I don't know how to describe it. 1540 01:33:00,580 --> 01:33:01,790 I guess it's just a mixture. 1541 01:33:01,956 --> 01:33:02,791 It's us. 1542 01:33:02,957 --> 01:33:03,500 You've got to remember, 1543 01:33:03,666 --> 01:33:04,876 we come from an era where... 1544 01:33:05,043 --> 01:33:06,961 everybody was experimenting with sounds 1545 01:33:07,212 --> 01:33:09,923 and it was almost a rite of passage. 1546 01:33:14,886 --> 01:33:18,389 So it's a real mixed bag, and I think we were very fortunate... 1547 01:33:18,556 --> 01:33:20,350 it wasn't just one lead singer. 1548 01:33:20,517 --> 01:33:21,893 We could all alternate, 1549 01:33:22,060 --> 01:33:24,145 and sometimes sing the same song together. 1550 01:33:24,354 --> 01:33:25,688 When we sing songs like... 1551 01:33:30,652 --> 01:33:31,945 It's Barry and Robin singing in unison. 1552 01:33:32,862 --> 01:33:33,905 But it sounds like one guy. 1553 01:33:34,072 --> 01:33:35,532 "Bit more Robin, bit more Barry. 1554 01:33:35,698 --> 01:33:36,866 Are you sure? Which one is it?" 1555 01:33:37,158 --> 01:33:39,452 But it's a sound of the two. 1556 01:33:39,994 --> 01:33:41,579 Then the three of us go into harmony on the... 1557 01:33:43,081 --> 01:33:43,832 And it's... 1558 01:33:45,959 --> 01:33:47,085 It's just Barry and Robin. 1559 01:33:47,544 --> 01:33:49,420 But they mesh together so well, 1560 01:33:49,671 --> 01:33:50,922 that it sounds like one voice. 1561 01:33:51,172 --> 01:33:53,466 But it's a different voice from them separately. 1562 01:33:53,925 --> 01:33:54,968 To us it was like the Beatles, 1563 01:33:55,135 --> 01:33:56,928 it was having that alternative lead 1564 01:33:57,262 --> 01:33:59,180 and being able to mix it up. 1565 01:34:19,075 --> 01:34:20,952 I think people today in the world of music 1566 01:34:21,119 --> 01:34:24,038 are far, far more conservative in what they do, 1567 01:34:24,205 --> 01:34:26,457 they don't use harmonies like they should, 1568 01:34:26,624 --> 01:34:29,043 it's because they're just too lazy. 1569 01:34:29,210 --> 01:34:31,504 It's hard work. Because there's no technology 1570 01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,007 that can create a human voice in harmony. 1571 01:34:34,174 --> 01:34:36,634 Or even a machine that can create a melody. 1572 01:34:36,801 --> 01:34:37,969 You've got to do that yourself. 1573 01:34:38,136 --> 01:34:41,556 Those are the basic vehicles of all popular music. 1574 01:34:41,723 --> 01:34:43,558 That's what's gonna make music what it is... 1575 01:34:43,725 --> 01:34:44,350 and the songs what they are. 1576 01:34:44,517 --> 01:34:46,561 And there's still no technology for those, 1577 01:34:46,728 --> 01:34:47,562 and those are the principal ones, 1578 01:34:47,729 --> 01:34:48,771 and thank God there isn't. 1579 01:34:48,938 --> 01:34:51,232 That blend has been used quite a lot. 1580 01:34:51,399 --> 01:34:52,317 With harmonies, 1581 01:34:52,483 --> 01:34:54,986 we bank them underneath with doubles and falsettos on top 1582 01:34:55,153 --> 01:34:56,905 so you get the full richness of the harmony, 1583 01:34:57,572 --> 01:34:58,740 which is what I love to do. 1584 01:34:58,907 --> 01:35:00,909 I love to arrange and get the records all... 1585 01:35:01,075 --> 01:35:02,243 this with that there and... 1586 01:35:02,452 --> 01:35:04,913 Paint the picture, you know, add the colors. 1587 01:35:06,164 --> 01:35:06,789 And they're like our children, 1588 01:35:06,956 --> 01:35:07,665 we send them out in the world, 1589 01:35:07,832 --> 01:35:08,917 we hope they do well. 1590 01:36:21,364 --> 01:36:22,907 I think people will always love songs... 1591 01:36:23,074 --> 01:36:25,535 about human relationships and melody. 1592 01:36:25,660 --> 01:36:28,788 These are the songs that will reach out over the decades to the unborn. 1593 01:36:29,038 --> 01:36:31,124 Because they are perennial as the grass, 1594 01:36:31,291 --> 01:36:32,000 human emotion. 1595 01:36:32,166 --> 01:36:34,544 It is not ego that makes you write a great song, 1596 01:36:35,044 --> 01:36:37,880 it's the belief that you can't that makes you do it. 1597 01:36:38,047 --> 01:36:39,632 Sometimes even envy and jealousy. 1598 01:36:39,799 --> 01:36:41,801 You hear a great song on the radio and think, 1599 01:36:41,968 --> 01:36:44,220 "I wish I could write a song like that." 1600 01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:46,681 I think you need things to motivate you, 1601 01:36:46,848 --> 01:36:49,851 but also there's that belief that you can as well. 1602 01:36:50,518 --> 01:36:52,478 - Damn the torpedoes. - Yeah. 1603 01:36:53,021 --> 01:36:55,064 Robert said to us in 1967, 1604 01:36:55,231 --> 01:36:56,691 He said, "Write for 40 years from now," 1605 01:36:56,858 --> 01:36:58,234 "don't just write for now." 1606 01:36:58,401 --> 01:37:00,320 I n other words, "Don't write for trends." 1607 01:37:00,486 --> 01:37:01,362 Which we tried not to do. 1608 01:37:01,571 --> 01:37:03,573 That's the one thing I remember him saying. 1609 01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:04,991 "Write for the future." 1610 01:37:28,389 --> 01:37:29,390 Every single award... 1611 01:37:29,599 --> 01:37:32,352 or every single citation or achievement 1612 01:37:32,518 --> 01:37:34,896 that's given to you has a different feel to it. 1613 01:37:35,229 --> 01:37:37,857 The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was to us everything. 1614 01:37:38,024 --> 01:37:39,484 Please stand and welcome... 1615 01:37:39,776 --> 01:37:42,612 Barry, Robin and Maurice Gibb into the Hall of Fame. 1616 01:37:43,071 --> 01:37:44,197 The Bee Gees! 1617 01:37:50,745 --> 01:37:52,038 Being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... 1618 01:37:52,205 --> 01:37:54,123 was just a dream for us. 1619 01:37:54,290 --> 01:37:56,709 But not only getting inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 1620 01:37:56,876 --> 01:37:58,544 but being inducted by Brian Wilson... 1621 01:37:58,753 --> 01:38:01,089 ...to me was a knockout. That blew my night. 1622 01:38:01,589 --> 01:38:03,758 We are in fact the enigma with the stigma. 1623 01:38:04,050 --> 01:38:04,926 We know this. 1624 01:38:05,718 --> 01:38:06,636 We're aware of it. 1625 01:38:06,761 --> 01:38:08,262 We hear it every day. 1626 01:38:08,429 --> 01:38:09,639 We live with it. 1627 01:38:10,056 --> 01:38:11,015 We have suffered. 1628 01:38:11,265 --> 01:38:12,100 But tonight I think... 1629 01:38:12,266 --> 01:38:13,184 we've come home 1630 01:38:13,351 --> 01:38:15,269 and we thank you very much for this honor. 1631 01:38:15,978 --> 01:38:17,563 So, every single award you get 1632 01:38:17,730 --> 01:38:18,564 has a different kind of... 1633 01:38:18,731 --> 01:38:21,150 intense emotional experience for you. 1634 01:38:21,401 --> 01:38:22,402 The BRIT Awards, it's been a long time 1635 01:38:22,568 --> 01:38:24,404 since we've been even involved in anything like that, 1636 01:38:24,862 --> 01:38:26,572 but to get the Lifetime Achievement Award... 1637 01:38:26,739 --> 01:38:27,698 was a wonderful honor. 1638 01:38:27,865 --> 01:38:30,034 Beautiful Quincy Jones giving us that award... 1639 01:38:30,201 --> 01:38:31,619 in the American Music Awards, 1640 01:38:32,245 --> 01:38:33,454 which was wonderful again. 1641 01:38:33,621 --> 01:38:35,373 Quincy I've known for a lot of years. 1642 01:38:35,623 --> 01:38:37,083 It's so sweet that he could do that. 1643 01:38:37,625 --> 01:38:41,796 Gentlemen, let me just sum it up with this phrase... 1644 01:38:41,963 --> 01:38:43,464 on your International Award. 1645 01:38:44,048 --> 01:38:48,428 Their recordings have sold well over 100 million copies worldwide, 1646 01:38:49,262 --> 01:38:50,596 making them one... 1647 01:38:51,806 --> 01:38:55,143 making them one the top five most successful artists ever. 1648 01:38:55,309 --> 01:38:55,935 Congratulations... 1649 01:38:56,102 --> 01:38:57,979 and good luck on your upcoming world tour. 1650 01:38:58,271 --> 01:39:00,690 - Barry! - Thank you, Quincy! 1651 01:39:02,525 --> 01:39:03,484 How times change. 1652 01:39:03,693 --> 01:39:04,735 Ten, fifteen years ago... 1653 01:39:05,236 --> 01:39:06,821 you wouldn't have put on a Bee Gees record. 1654 01:39:06,988 --> 01:39:08,448 Now, it's sort of OK. 1655 01:40:22,021 --> 01:40:22,772 We stopped touring... 1656 01:40:22,939 --> 01:40:25,316 basically to concentrate more on the writing and songs 1657 01:40:25,483 --> 01:40:27,693 and the work that was involved in that. 1658 01:40:27,902 --> 01:40:29,153 And if we did tour, 1659 01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:30,321 we wanted it to be special. 1660 01:40:30,488 --> 01:40:31,656 But we certainly didn't want to go out... 1661 01:40:31,822 --> 01:40:33,032 and do a nostalgia tour. 1662 01:40:33,324 --> 01:40:34,242 Just doing the old songs... 1663 01:40:34,408 --> 01:40:36,494 and saying, "Thank you very much. Cheers." 1664 01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,121 We wanted to at least have a good success... 1665 01:40:39,288 --> 01:40:40,790 under our belt before we go out again. 1666 01:40:44,418 --> 01:40:46,504 One Night Only was, only became a concept... 1667 01:40:46,671 --> 01:40:50,550 after we did the one show at the MGM. 1668 01:40:50,967 --> 01:40:52,593 It came about from back surgery. 1669 01:40:52,802 --> 01:40:55,721 Long-term, every-two-nights or every-one-night tours 1670 01:40:55,888 --> 01:40:57,932 were no longer really feasible. 1671 01:40:59,267 --> 01:41:00,851 The pain was far too much for me, 1672 01:41:01,018 --> 01:41:03,271 my back has set into a place where, 1673 01:41:03,563 --> 01:41:04,897 if I did that every night, 1674 01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,150 nobody was going to insure us to do that. 1675 01:41:08,317 --> 01:41:11,654 And when you sing falsetto, it's a hell of a high raise to go to, 1676 01:41:11,821 --> 01:41:13,823 that back needs... you need your back. 1677 01:41:14,073 --> 01:41:14,991 And it's agony when you do it, 1678 01:41:15,157 --> 01:41:19,078 'cause... you feel it before you've even taken half a breath. 1679 01:41:19,245 --> 01:41:20,788 So, Barry was going through all that stuff. 1680 01:41:21,455 --> 01:41:22,498 I don't know how he did it... 1681 01:41:22,873 --> 01:41:24,166 but he didn't want to do a bad show. 1682 01:41:46,522 --> 01:41:48,399 So, we all made up our minds that 1683 01:41:48,566 --> 01:41:51,569 maybe it was a good idea to do six shows worldwide 1684 01:41:51,777 --> 01:41:53,779 and put a price on each one of those shows, 1685 01:41:54,322 --> 01:41:58,367 and that way, people would travel to places that we'd never been before. 1686 01:41:58,951 --> 01:42:00,578 And let my back settle. 1687 01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:02,038 So we did one almost... 1688 01:42:02,204 --> 01:42:03,831 every two weeks, three weeks. 1689 01:42:14,634 --> 01:42:16,344 I've seen him do shows when his back's been in agony. 1690 01:42:16,510 --> 01:42:18,095 I know 'cause I've had back surgery too, 1691 01:42:18,387 --> 01:42:19,805 and I know exactly what he went through. 1692 01:42:20,056 --> 01:42:23,351 And he's persevered through a whole two-hour show in agony. 1693 01:42:23,768 --> 01:42:24,894 And nobody would have known it. 1694 01:42:25,394 --> 01:42:26,771 We knew it 'cause he'd be singing... 1695 01:42:26,937 --> 01:42:29,440 and he'd turn around and look at us and go... 1696 01:42:30,066 --> 01:42:32,693 Like this and go... And back out again. 1697 01:42:32,902 --> 01:42:34,320 But all the time in agony. 1698 01:44:29,685 --> 01:44:30,603 "This Is Where I Came In" 1699 01:44:30,770 --> 01:44:32,271 takes me back to our Beatle period. 1700 01:44:33,647 --> 01:44:34,732 We sort of went back to the way... 1701 01:44:34,899 --> 01:44:37,359 we recorded in the late '60s. 1702 01:44:40,279 --> 01:44:41,614 We sort of went back to that stage 1703 01:44:41,781 --> 01:44:42,823 where it's the acoustics, 1704 01:44:42,990 --> 01:44:45,868 the piano, the bass, the drums, whatever... 1705 01:44:46,243 --> 01:44:47,828 A lot of live drums on this album. 1706 01:44:47,995 --> 01:44:50,623 We wanted that live feel. Particularly on the opening track. 1707 01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:52,082 We just wanted to rock a bit more. 1708 01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:53,834 But This Is Where I Came I n... 1709 01:44:54,001 --> 01:44:54,877 is the harmony thing. 1710 01:44:55,044 --> 01:44:56,170 We just wanted the three of us around... 1711 01:44:56,337 --> 01:44:57,922 one mic, singing the harmony on this song. 1712 01:44:58,214 --> 01:44:58,964 And that's what we did. 1713 01:44:59,131 --> 01:45:00,674 And that was two takes. The whole song. 1714 01:45:00,841 --> 01:45:02,343 The whole record. For the vocals. 1715 01:45:03,344 --> 01:45:05,304 "OK. That's finished. Next." 1716 01:45:05,721 --> 01:45:08,641 And it was like, "Whoa! This is good stuff. This is great fun!" 1717 01:45:08,808 --> 01:45:10,559 We were recording just like we used to. 1718 01:45:36,877 --> 01:45:38,045 I loved it. I still do. 1719 01:45:38,212 --> 01:45:40,047 I don't like the long hours in the studio anymore 1720 01:45:40,214 --> 01:45:42,716 because there's so much going on outside 1721 01:45:43,092 --> 01:45:44,343 and I don't have the attention span. 1722 01:45:44,593 --> 01:45:47,388 If I can make a record in two days, 1723 01:45:47,555 --> 01:45:49,348 then I'll do that. I'll do it in two days. 1724 01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:51,392 But I couldn't sit there for 12 hours a day... 1725 01:45:51,559 --> 01:45:53,561 for three months like we used to. 1726 01:45:53,936 --> 01:45:55,187 Not with five children. 1727 01:45:56,230 --> 01:45:57,356 Not reality anymore. 1728 01:45:57,523 --> 01:45:58,107 But I love it. 1729 01:45:58,232 --> 01:46:00,234 And I love the results of it. 1730 01:46:00,734 --> 01:46:01,986 When something sounds amazing... 1731 01:46:02,152 --> 01:46:03,362 and you don't know how you got there. 1732 01:46:17,001 --> 01:46:18,752 Yeah, we love that. We love that song. 1733 01:46:20,671 --> 01:46:25,676 It's... It's Maurice's turn now. Brother Moe over here. 1734 01:46:29,263 --> 01:46:32,099 Maurice has done a lot more individual music on this album. 1735 01:46:32,308 --> 01:46:34,059 It's really about himself, the song. 1736 01:46:34,435 --> 01:46:35,936 The song is called Man I n The Middle. 1737 01:46:36,145 --> 01:46:37,104 We hope you like it. 1738 01:47:15,935 --> 01:47:17,394 Yeah, I've sort of been the man in the middle. 1739 01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:20,856 It still comes from that business where I've always been in the middle of things 1740 01:47:21,023 --> 01:47:21,857 between Barry and Robin... 1741 01:47:22,024 --> 01:47:22,858 At different times... 1742 01:47:23,025 --> 01:47:24,318 we've all been the man in the middle. 1743 01:47:24,485 --> 01:47:26,487 Robin and I hardly ever see eye-to-eye, 1744 01:47:26,654 --> 01:47:29,990 and yet, we gravitate towards each other no matter what. 1745 01:47:30,157 --> 01:47:31,867 And Moe was always the sort of, 1746 01:47:32,034 --> 01:47:32,826 "Break it up, you guys." 1747 01:47:32,993 --> 01:47:33,994 "Don't argue." 1748 01:47:34,995 --> 01:47:37,998 Moe would always be that guy that would take the middle ground 1749 01:47:38,207 --> 01:47:40,167 or calm things down if things got... 1750 01:47:41,335 --> 01:47:42,795 To that extent, yes, he was. 1751 01:47:43,253 --> 01:47:45,464 But I think over the years, we've all done that. 1752 01:48:23,627 --> 01:48:25,754 Maurice Gibb, one third of the Bee Gees, has died, 1753 01:48:25,921 --> 01:48:26,880 age 53. 1754 01:48:27,131 --> 01:48:28,132 Here's Tamzin Sylvester... 1755 01:48:28,298 --> 01:48:29,717 with tonight's Liquid Lead. 1756 01:48:30,467 --> 01:48:32,302 Maurice collapsed at his beachfront house... 1757 01:48:32,469 --> 01:48:33,470 in Miami on Thursday 1758 01:48:33,637 --> 01:48:34,972 with severe stomach pains. 1759 01:48:35,180 --> 01:48:37,516 He was rushed to the nearby Mount Sinai hospital 1760 01:48:37,683 --> 01:48:40,227 but had a heart attack during emergency surgery. 1761 01:48:40,394 --> 01:48:42,730 His twin brother, Robin, spoke to the media on Friday, 1762 01:48:42,896 --> 01:48:44,231 saying he was on the mend 1763 01:48:44,565 --> 01:48:46,275 but then Maurice slipped into a coma. 1764 01:48:46,483 --> 01:48:48,152 He died in the early hours of this morning 1765 01:48:48,318 --> 01:48:49,194 with his wife, children... 1766 01:48:49,361 --> 01:48:51,071 and brothers Gibb at his bedside. 1767 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,283 It was shattering to both of us, shattering to both of us 1768 01:48:54,450 --> 01:48:57,828 in countless ways, countless ways. 1769 01:48:58,245 --> 01:48:59,913 And the speed at which it happened as well. 1770 01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:04,293 I mean, so unexpected because he was quite young, 1771 01:49:04,418 --> 01:49:05,502 and he'd never really been ill, 1772 01:49:05,669 --> 01:49:08,464 and it happened in such... in a matter of hours. 1773 01:49:08,630 --> 01:49:11,759 And it still... It's mind-blowing, 1774 01:49:11,925 --> 01:49:16,055 from a Wednesday night to the Saturday when he died... 1775 01:49:16,930 --> 01:49:19,058 It's just like nothing could stop it. 1776 01:49:19,641 --> 01:49:25,314 And the idea of us going on without Moe became something that was, 1777 01:49:26,607 --> 01:49:27,816 "Oh, we could do that." 1778 01:49:28,442 --> 01:49:29,485 "But no, we couldn't." 1779 01:49:30,277 --> 01:49:31,236 "Yes, we could." 1780 01:49:31,779 --> 01:49:32,196 "No, we couldn't." 1781 01:49:32,362 --> 01:49:33,655 Well, we were in shock. 1782 01:49:35,407 --> 01:49:36,241 Ladies and gentlemen, 1783 01:49:36,408 --> 01:49:39,787 please welcome the 2003 Legend Award recipients, 1784 01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:42,206 Barry and Robin Gibb. 1785 01:49:48,128 --> 01:49:51,590 The Legend in the 2003 Awards was bittersweet in the Grammys 1786 01:49:51,757 --> 01:49:54,676 because it was... Maurice wasn't there. 1787 01:49:54,843 --> 01:49:58,097 And you've got to remember that Maurice died on January 12th. 1788 01:49:58,263 --> 01:50:00,849 Well, this was, I think, sometime in January... 1789 01:50:01,016 --> 01:50:02,851 And his family were there. 1790 01:50:03,018 --> 01:50:07,356 And so it became more of everybody really dwelling on Moe 1791 01:50:07,648 --> 01:50:08,774 and the sadness of it, 1792 01:50:08,941 --> 01:50:10,984 and the fact that we'd lost him at such an early age. 1793 01:50:11,151 --> 01:50:13,153 And it was incredible to receive it, 1794 01:50:13,320 --> 01:50:15,197 but we were sort of numb, you know. 1795 01:50:15,656 --> 01:50:17,449 We'd just come to terms with the fact that, 1796 01:50:17,616 --> 01:50:18,784 "Maurice has just died." 1797 01:50:18,951 --> 01:50:21,161 We were talking about hours, days. 1798 01:50:21,620 --> 01:50:23,705 And so, it was... It came right in the middle. 1799 01:50:23,872 --> 01:50:27,668 Our equilibrium was completely out of whack, 1800 01:50:27,835 --> 01:50:29,586 and if it had been another time, 1801 01:50:29,753 --> 01:50:31,046 we would have enjoyed it more. 1802 01:50:31,380 --> 01:50:33,006 And if Moe had been there with us, 1803 01:50:33,173 --> 01:50:36,135 it would've been the cream on the cake, you know. 1804 01:50:36,301 --> 01:50:37,886 But the idea that he wasn't there to share it... 1805 01:50:38,053 --> 01:50:40,514 was equally important... 1806 01:50:40,681 --> 01:50:41,807 but in a very sad way. 1807 01:50:41,974 --> 01:50:43,475 Even the most ardent fans... 1808 01:50:43,642 --> 01:50:45,769 will always know a different Maurice than I do. 1809 01:50:45,936 --> 01:50:47,771 There's a personality and a whole history... 1810 01:50:47,938 --> 01:50:50,023 that I know about Maurice that people will never know, 1811 01:50:50,190 --> 01:50:51,483 and that's the person I miss. 1812 01:50:51,650 --> 01:50:54,027 But I... The music is there... 1813 01:50:54,194 --> 01:50:56,280 He lives on with music, and on the radio, 1814 01:50:56,446 --> 01:50:57,489 when I hear a song with him, 1815 01:50:57,656 --> 01:50:59,199 that's... he's still alive. 1816 01:50:59,408 --> 01:51:03,162 - Robin and I love music so much... - Yes. 1817 01:51:03,620 --> 01:51:05,998 ...And it's so ingrained in our souls 1818 01:51:06,415 --> 01:51:09,793 that we don't know how to move away from it. 1819 01:51:10,043 --> 01:51:12,754 I think it's important, also, for Maurice's memory, 1820 01:51:12,921 --> 01:51:15,174 his legacy, just as much. 1821 01:51:15,340 --> 01:51:16,258 The legacy of the Bee Gees... 1822 01:51:16,425 --> 01:51:18,760 must go on, one way or the other. 1823 01:51:40,032 --> 01:51:41,783 It's been a few years... 1824 01:51:41,950 --> 01:51:43,577 since we've heard our voices together. 1825 01:51:52,085 --> 01:51:53,045 Maurice's death... 1826 01:51:53,212 --> 01:51:55,756 left a kind of emotional vacuum between the two of us 1827 01:51:55,923 --> 01:51:57,966 because Barry had a way of dealing with it, 1828 01:51:58,133 --> 01:51:59,426 I have my way of dealing with it. 1829 01:51:59,593 --> 01:52:01,511 A few years have passed now, 1830 01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,181 we're able to see each other in a different way. 1831 01:52:04,556 --> 01:52:06,516 We're beginning to behave the way we always did, 1832 01:52:06,934 --> 01:52:07,809 before Moe died. 1833 01:52:42,219 --> 01:52:43,637 Because of what happened with Maurice... 1834 01:52:44,054 --> 01:52:47,432 Barry had a way of expressing his way... 1835 01:52:48,392 --> 01:52:49,268 I was pulverized. 1836 01:52:49,434 --> 01:52:54,398 I had no passion or interest in continuing at all. 1837 01:52:54,898 --> 01:52:58,318 Robin went the opposite direction and had to keep moving. 1838 01:52:58,485 --> 01:53:00,821 I wanted to keep the Bee Gees as the three of us. 1839 01:53:01,029 --> 01:53:04,825 I wanted that to be the only thing anyone ever saw again. 1840 01:54:12,726 --> 01:54:14,394 We still have a lot of music in us, 1841 01:54:14,686 --> 01:54:17,356 because we've already written one song together this week. 1842 01:54:17,522 --> 01:54:22,110 I now know inside that what we will do will be good. 1843 01:54:23,070 --> 01:54:25,364 It's time for us now to move on... 1844 01:54:25,530 --> 01:54:27,115 without ever letting go of Moe. 1845 01:54:47,636 --> 01:54:50,347 The blend of the voices is great. Even I get nostalgic. 1846 01:54:51,681 --> 01:54:54,017 I feel more every day as I go, 1847 01:54:54,267 --> 01:54:58,146 fortunate to be born into a family where Barry is my brother 1848 01:54:58,772 --> 01:54:59,940 because I get to work with him. 1849 01:55:00,107 --> 01:55:02,150 I mean, one of the greatest pop writers... 1850 01:55:02,317 --> 01:55:03,610 of all time. 1851 01:55:03,777 --> 01:55:07,739 I mean, there's no... I n all the billions of families... 1852 01:55:07,906 --> 01:55:08,824 that are born in the world, 1853 01:55:08,990 --> 01:55:10,951 I got to be born in the family with him. 1854 01:55:11,118 --> 01:55:13,912 How good can it get? 1855 01:55:14,413 --> 01:55:18,959 - I mean that's... that's real. - Well, it gets... what it gets is mutual. 1856 01:55:19,543 --> 01:55:20,710 What it gets is mutual. 1857 01:55:21,253 --> 01:55:21,920 What you draw from me, 1858 01:55:22,087 --> 01:55:23,296 I draw from you. 1859 01:55:23,672 --> 01:55:28,343 And I look forward to the next time that we can concoct something 1860 01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:32,013 that we both look at each other and say, "There, that's it." 1861 01:55:32,180 --> 01:55:34,391 - That's all I care about. - Me too. 135153

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