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>> Today on "Cosmic Disclosure," we are with Randy Cramer,

who has participated in a covert military space program for 18

years called the Earth Defense Force.

Today, we are talking about how to know if you've

been in a secret space program.

Randy, welcome to the show.

>> Thanks for having me, Emery.

>> Before exploring how we can find out if someone was

in a covert space program, what is the "secret"

in "secret space program"?

>> Mostly, it has to do with the level of compartmentalization

and secrecy about how the personnel are acquired,

trained, and deployed, which is so covert that most individuals

return from a tour of service without even remembering full

recollection of what they experienced.

It's so secret that more often than not,

the soldiers and personnel themselves, when they return

from duty, don't remember.

That's how secret it is, that they're not even

supposed to remember where they were and what they did.

>> There's a lot of people watching that suspect they were

in a covert, secret space program,

and why wouldn't they know they were in a covert,

secret space program?

>> Well, the, quote, unquote, "memory wipe"

which I have talked about before,

which is not so much a memory wipe as it is a memory

suppression.

So if you think of the brain as a bowl

and you think of the contents of the brain, of your mind,

as a fluid or liquid within the bowl, water or whatever,

that's all your thoughts, all your memories, and everything.

The memories associated with a covert tour of duty

would be like a balloon filled with water,

and then put a cork in it so that it's separate,

contained, but within the wholeness of the mind

and the brain itself, so that the person

in their regular daytime thinking

is floating around in the thoughts that

are in the open bowl, but the compartmentalized portion,

if they can't get through that cork, which is usually

through technological, cryptographical code words

and things that can access back and forth into that memory

compartment, most of the time-- otherwise,

the memory is completely corked off, contained,

and separate from their normal day-to-day experiences.

So most people just don't remember

what's in there, again, because it's self-contained here,

so what's happening here is separate.

What happens is some of this memory over here

starts to seep out, starts to bleed out

a little bit, and so flashes of things,

random unaccounted-for traumas or reactions.

>> What may trigger that?

What causes that, Randy?

>> What causes the--

>> The leak-out of that memory, let's say.

>> Well, scientifically, we understand that it's probably

a certain amount of natural causes, that the--

if we were to think of, again, this, your brain and your mind

here, if the mind has a kind of a will of its own--

which it does, and we'll call it the subconscious

for this conversation-- the mind, your subconscious,

has a sense of the wholeness here,

and it has a sense that something

is separate from the whole.

And so your subconscious is going

to want to return what is separate back into the whole,

and it's going to want to pull some of that

out so that it can get access to it and pull the cork out.

Most people, the subconscious has a drive towards wholeness.

It doesn't like feeling separate.

It doesn't like feeling divided amongst itself,

and it wants to return to wholeness.

There does also seem to be a time factor, as if you were

to set a timer when you create this compartment,

and there are so many decades later when it just starts--

that cork starts to come apart, or it's

going to naturally start to pop out because of something

that has to do with time.

Over time, a certain number of decades,

20, 30 years in some cases, when people start to--

this compartment, the cork starts to move,

or it starts to seep out.

And they start having really intense emotional,

psychological, or physical experiences.

>> Now, are there any common childhood memories one would

have?

>> I'll say that there's sort of a Venn diagram of some

different experiences that not every person will have,

but that if a person has one or more of those experiences,

it starts to check boxes on that, you know,

you're pointing in a direction that they may have been

in a program.

So most common things are dreams, recollections

or memories, and any type of experience

that doesn't seem linear, meaning you can't just

place it back-- oh, this happened exactly when I

was this years old, and it happened this linear way.

They kind of just pop in.

And so when something just pops in and it's not linear--

and there's usually an association

with military activity, military structure,

military organization.

With someone who's never been in the military

describes to me an experience of being a child

and being mustered-- which, anyone who's

been in the military knows, when you muster troops,

you're organizing them and pulling them together,

there's a certain protocol for that.

Someone who's never been in the military

would have no idea why or how that would happen,

wouldn't have any idea why they would remember it

from an eight-year-old brain or recollection.

And more often than not, when people

come to me, that's a very common thing, to say,

well, I remember something weird.

When I was a kid, it seemed like they were organizing us

together and putting us in a line

and walking us from one place to another.

I'm like, OK, you got mustered and walked from point A

to point B.

That's a check that makes a question mark,

and I won't give someone a thumbs-up or a thumbs-down

until I've had a chance to fully assess what they do remember,

what they know about their childhood, their childhood

experiences, parents, parents' jobs, parents' careers that

can sometimes come into play there, and make

an assessment of that.

But there's more than, you know, a handful of things that have

to appear on that list, but that'll--

>> And what techniques are you're using to extract this

information from--

>> Mostly just conversational interview.

It's just, I know what I'm looking for,

so I start asking questions that are

going to get me the answers of what I'm looking for or not

what I'm looking for.

And things that aren't what I'm looking for

will go into this category, and things

that are what I'm looking for will check boxes.

And once I check enough boxes, then we

move on to another step.

>> Now, there are people that have been subject to mil-lab

programming that think they may have been part of a covert

secret space program but they have not.

What can you tell us about that?

>> Unfortunately, there is a real messy area here that--

again, another Venn diagram of things

crossing over with one another, where

you have a legitimate experience,

you have brain injury or psychological trauma,

and you have mental health conditions.

This is not to say that a person having legit experiences

is crazy or has a head injury, but it's also possible

that a person may have one or more

of all of these things happening at once.

So it's possible for someone to have anxiety, depression,

and some other mental health symptoms,

have also some experiences of a legitimate experience,

and also have symptoms or signs of a head injury or brain

trauma, in which case, then, you're trying to decode

or decipher what to do with all of those things.

And the sad truth is I call this place where all of this

comes together in this Venn diagram "brain oatmeal,"

and unfortunately, there are a lot of people who,

the process is really hard on the psyche,

on the emotional body, and on the physical body,

on the neurons.

There is a number of people that come out of these experiences

with what a doctor might call a minor traumatic brain injury,

but if you were probably to do a SPECT scan,

you'd probably find lumps and holes and things that are--

>> Physical brain damage.

Wow.

>> Yeah, indicative of some real physical brain damage.

I know several people, including myself,

that have had to actually heal that brain damage

and recover neurological brain activity because of that.

And so we know how to walk people through the process.

We know how to go through steps.

It's never a guarantee because the person has to be really

fully engaged in the process, and unfortunately that "brain

oatmeal" part means that some people we can work with,

and some people we can really help.

And some people, it's not a matter of, again,

trying to say, I'm sorry, I don't think you

had a legitimate experience.

I say, well, you may have.

You check a certain number of boxes over here

on legitimate experience, but I'm also

seeing tremendous amount of anxiety,

tremendous amount of depression, chronic maybe,

or even paranoia.

That's hard to work with.

And then you start having more conversation,

and you're finding gaps in logic or pathing or problem solving

that become indicative of a brain injury.

And all of those things can be possible at the same time

when you're dealing with someone who's been post-program,

so it's tricky to assess all of that

and then do what best I can, we can,

to direct them to someone more professional

if it looks like they need medical attention

and they need to get something looked at.

And I actually have a student who was an Iraqi vet

and had an IED go off next to him

and got a severe traumatic brain injury from it.

He's recovered himself almost, like, a hundred percent.

I mean, he couldn't talk right and couldn't hardly

motor-skill right.

They put him back on the job, and he

was dedicated to repairing serious brain

damage from an explosion.

So I want to point out, first and foremost,

don't listen to anybody in medical science

tell you that you can't fix brain damage

or you can't fix damaged brain tissue, because you can.

It just takes a tremendous amount of time, energy, focus,

and work.

>> How about the people out there that do get triggered

by watching a space program or movie or a show,

that they start to believe that they possibly may have been

part of a covert space program?

>> That's something, again, that, you know, 20 questions,

I'm going to suss that out by question five, OK, for sure.

But yeah, it happens, and it's rampant.

And unfortunately, I don't know what

the answer to the cure of our social narcissistic personality

disorder problems are, but yeah, it's a mess.

And there's a lot of them, and I think

they should all be vetted.

>> Right.

Exactly.

>> I think they should all have to take polygraphs.

I think they should all be willing to be scrutinized,

because I think, in many cases, it's just patently ridiculous.

And I realize that may be the pot calling

the kettle black in some cases, in some people's minds,

but for someone--

>> I do believe this show brings that out in people as well.

>> Sure.

Yeah, well, again--

>> Yeah, they hear your story or my story,

they go out and they start researching,

and then the next thing you know,

they have recall of some sort that they believe.

>> Yeah.

Yeah, and like I said, if I were,

and my partner, if we were discerning a subject

to determine what to do for them and with them

and guide them through the process,

sussing out whether someone's just not worth

my time, her time, or our time, and you know,

might suggest they go talk to somebody else or something

and, you know--

>> And for the audience, I think they should know this happens

a lot more often, I think, not speaking for yourself,

but even myself and Gaia TV, where they do their due

diligence in looking for people like that.

>> Yeah, I mean, it does.

It certainly is a-- it's a difficult thing.

You know, I go through the screening process

with everybody.

That's the best I can do at this point.

>> There are people who watch this show who, all of a sudden,

they have-- they believe and think they have a memory

of something similar.

So how do we discern that from the reality?

>> Again, there's a list, and someone comes to me and says,

I have this one thing, I go, OK, that's one thing.

And then I'm going to ask a bunch of questions,

and if they have a legitimate experience

with legitimate memories and a psychological, emotional

pattern that matches a legitimate experience,

then I'm going to pick that out in a five-minute conversation.

I'm getting pretty good at this, so

that it doesn't take very long for me to suss out

where someone is on that chart.

So if-- within 20 questions, again,

I'm going to be really clear that, OK,

this person has one thing that they think they have a memory

of or maybe have a memory of, nothing else, right,

is basically what I'm going to--

>> Yeah, right, like what if they only have a few memories

and don't complete the entire story?

>> I would basically direct that person to some self-awareness

and some self-discovery and see what they come up with.

And at that point, someone's kind of on their journey,

but if they start pulling up stuff that seems,

again, legitimate, I'll be like, OK, let's work with that.

>> Is it possible, Randy, that the more people that come

forward, like yourself, that this creates a, let's just say,

an energy entity in the morphogenic field which others

maybe pick up and get downloaded?

>> I think that's also possible in some cases.

A lot of people who come to me, I would say the vast majority

are incredibly skeptical of what's

happening, of what their own experiences are occurring.

So, usually, the first thing is, I

don't know what's happening here,

I might be losing my mind or something,

er, I got some questions.

So a healthy skepticism is a sign

of a healthy mind in this situation, so someone who's

a little too ready to embrace this much information--

>> Sure.

Yeah, got it.

>> --too ready to run with it without more--

confirming their own data and doing their own deep work

into their own mind-- because you

have to have an understanding of the relationship

with your conscious and your subconscious mind

if you're going to get at these memories

that I'm describing, like in this bowl, right?

There's no other way to do that than--

I mean, there's a couple things that we

can do to prod the brain, but the individual themselves

has to get out the pickax and the shovel

and start doing the work--

>> Right.

>> --as they're digging away.

So--

>> In addition to that, is there any specific way to test

if the individual-- you know, if you could verify that they

actually were enlisted?

>> Yes.

Yes, I can run name, date, date of birth through a database,

and we can find out all kinds of stuff from the database.

>> Fantastic.

>> That's pretty recent.

>> Yeah, that's really great.

>> That's within the last couple of years,

that that database has come together and that we have

access to that, so--

>> How would someone on their own be able to go through this

verification process?

>> Complete and total guesswork.

>> Oh.

>> If you're not a professional in this field--

which, at this point, I'm probably the most qualified

professional in this field just by having

to be a person who has had to do it myself and walk lots

of people through the process.

So if you're not a professional in the field

and you don't understand this fully, then you're guessing,

and so I encourage people not to guess.

I encourage people to want to get

to the truth and the facts--

>> Right, yeah.

>> --so that they can be an appropriate actor

of what's happening in their lives,

because it may or may not be what they think it is.

And it may or may not be-- you know, may have to-- they

think, oh, maybe I have to go do this.

No, maybe it's really over here, and you want to go do this.

But getting clarity and truth is the most important thing.

>> Right, yeah.

And what would you tell someone?

What would they do after they verify

they were in the program?

>> At that point, it's teaching basic psionic self-defense,

basic meditative skills, same-- all the stuff that we teach

at the University of Conscious Evolution,

so that people can then center themselves,

get their own memories back, and work on psionic self-defense,

because I guarantee one of the first things that's going

to happen when someone starts to dig into their own memory core

is there will-- attacks will come.

>> Right.

>> Tripwires will happen, and so without solid grounding,

centering, anchoring, psionic self-defense,

you're just asking to be a punching bag.

So there's, again, protocols that we

teach people to make this as least difficult, least horrible

of a process as possible.

There's no way to make it pleasant and nice.

I'm just going to be honest, there's no way to do that.

>> Right, yeah.

>> But there is ways to make it not suck,

and that's really the goal here, is to help people make it not

suck.

>> That brings me to--

>> I hear a lot of people--

I just want to say this.

There's so many people who come to me or who I talk about,

and they are struggling so hard.

And they can't get out of the part where it's just miserable

and it sucks all the time for them,

so I just want everybody to know, I feel your pain.

I understand it.

I've been there.

We've been there, and we just want

to help people walk through the process, really.

>> Now, some individuals say they have been, you know,

mind-wiped of all this information,

of their memories of this, and it slowly trickles back.

Well, why in the first place do they have to mind-wipe them?

>> That's a good question.

I don't know that they have to.

I think it's a--

>> Is it a protection thing?

>> It's a choice based on, you know,

keeping things and information secure.

>> Right.

>> So if your goal is to keep a vast amount of information

completely secure, and you've set up a barrier so that

the personnel who have the experiences of that information

themselves don't recall it, anything less than that is

going to feel less secure.

So we're really trying to motivate people internally

to get away from this because the damage of what we have

to keep repairing and picking up from people

is really unnecessary, in my opinion.

But as far as the personnel who make that secrecy a priority,

it's important to them enough to do it and ruin people's lives

with it.

And we think that it's more important to not

ruin people's lives, and there's better ways

to keep that information secure.

>> So how does it work when they've already been

mind-wiped, but yet, now they're going on another mission?

>> So again, it's not a mind-wipe.

It's really about either a suppression

or a compartmentalization, so again--

>> Does that open up again for them to realize what they went

through?

>> Let me try and describe that.

So again, we have the bowl of your brain.

The water, the fluid, that's your mind,

and a balloon with a cork in it, that's

the compartmentalized knowledge and information.

So instead of the cork coming out,

what happens is, when the person is redeployed,

it's more like hooking two jumper cables up

to the compartment and connecting it

straight to the frontal lobe so that it doesn't have to connect

with the rest of the mind.

It just jumps straight into the front of the brain,

and then with a mere flip of a switch,

it's frontal lobe-connect or frontal lobe-disconnect

from that compartment.

>> So I get letters.

You get letters, emails.

People are wondering how they can join a covert space

program.

>> The selection process is not on a volunteer basis.

>> How do they select?

>> There's a long list of criteria which can be used

to select.

Almost certainly, at the top of that

list will be some understanding of the person's genetic coding

or their history of family genetics

that would incline them to be--

have certain propensities genetically

or be able to have genetic augmentation or gene

therapy that would enhance those genes to make them

field operable, preferable.

But it's not always that.

Sometimes-- it's not always from birth.

It's not always from families.

Sometimes, it's when they're kids.

Sometimes it's testing when they're in elementary school

or kindergarten.

>> Some say their parents were military or with government

agencies, and is this something you see in common?

>> Yes, also if the person in question has family members who

are military intelligence branch.

There was certainly a time period,

especially in the '60s, if someone had parents

who were in the military, in an intelligence program,

those people were encouraged to bring their kids

in for testing.

So that was a dense period of, if you had family,

then there was a really good chance that someone

was bringing you in for testing at some point.

And if you pass enough tests, then you

move on to something else, into a program.

>> Let's talk about the new Space Force.

I mean, in joining a space force or a space program,

does that give you better access to the SSP?

>> You know, I don't know about whether Space--

what's true with Space Force.

I guess if there was a department that would probably

have the quickest access, I would

say that someone would want to find their way into Naval Space

Command.

That would probably be--

>> Yeah, I believe that, too.

>> Yeah, probably, but good luck with that, too.

>> Right.

>> That's not super easy-peasy either,

but that would be my suggestion.

But I don't know.

I don't want to nitpick or pick on Space Force.

>> Right, you don't want to--

>> But they're new, so until they're not new anymore,

I don't want to make fun.

But they've got a long ways to come

before I feel like they're a--

>> Well, they're new.

Like, we both know they're new because that's the title that's

out there, but it's kind of already

been there for quite a long time under different-- you know.

>> Yeah, and I haven't heard what everyone's trying

to lateral in and bring under the umbrella.

I've been hearing that there's been some arguments about that,

and some people are saying we're supposed to bring everything

into this umbrella.

And there are some people saying,

F you, we're not coming under your umbrella.

That's what I've heard, so I don't know.

Maybe you've heard different, but--

>> Well, we do have a lot of people out there claiming,

that are non-military, that they were part of the SSP,

compared to the-- of the military that do claim that

they were.

>> Sure.

Most military personnel would know to shut up--

>> Right.

>> --you know, and would just be conditioned and trained to shut

up.

I didn't want to do this.

I was conditioned and trained to shut up,

and I had to be convinced.

So people, I think, who are military trained

are trained to button it up, and loose lips sink ships.

>> So why do these people that are non-military claiming to be

with the SSP be chosen for it, number one, and number two,

have these memories and come forward without keeping it

classified?

>> I mean, the number one reason is really personnel shortfalls.

So the covert military space programs, across the board,

don't have enough boots to fill--

enough people to fill boots to do jobs.

So they are always looking at personnel shortfalls.

So where they are recruiting from,

drawing from, in some cases, is not from, you know,

disciplined, organized, trained ranks.

In many cases, they're people who

are being brought in almost as civilian-- the equivalent

of civilian contractors to do a task or a job

because they've got a propensity to do one thing or maybe

two things.

And so at that point, that person

is just a cog that someone said, you'll fit nicely here,

and stuck them there because they needed a cog

to go in that spot.

>> And why keep them around?

Shouldn't they be just so expendable

that we'll just find another Randy Cramer

or clone that person?

>> Because there are people watching,

our neighbors from out of town, who are watching how we conduct

ourselves, and if we just went around vaporizing our personnel

when they were retired--

>> Well, Randy just had a heart attack last night for no

reason.

>> --it would reflect badly on the way that we treat

our veterans.

So we can't just vaporize people once that they're done.

So there are some rules on how we're

supposed to be treating those personnel,

how we're supposed to be getting them back into civilian life,

and how we're supposed to be taking care of their health

care and so forth.

These are things that are treaty--

locked into treaties, and we're not

doing a hundred percent of that.

And I--

>> Are you aware of, any of these veteran SSP people that

you've mentioned, is there an organization that they belong

to that you guys meet up or--

>> No.

No, everyone's just kind of winging it at the moment,

trying to sort out, through their chain of command,

what options they have and what they can do,

and it's different for every person

to try and sort that out.

And I know a number of different people

that have had a very successful process with that

and some people who have had an incredibly

unsuccessful process with that.

So it can go either way.

>> Why doesn't a covert space program recruit from within

their own ranks?

>> Oh, they certainly do, but again,

it's personnel shortfalls.

They just need way more bodies in boots and jobs

than they have.

And so that means looking elsewhere,

looking to corporate contractors,

looking to other personnel agencies that will find you

those personnel that you need.

You know, you send them a list, I

need a hundred of these people that

have these characteristics, can do these jobs,

and another agency will go, all right,

I'll go find a hundred people that

match these qualities and characteristics

and bring them to you.

>> How are those people approached, then?

>> They're not always approached.

Sometimes they're just taken in the middle of the night

and then integrated into a program

without them knowing about it, but-- or sometimes not.

Sometimes, they do recruit from internal,

in the military personnel.

There are regular Army, regular Marine Corps, regular Navy,

regular Air Force personnel who do get moved

into one of these programs.

If they're excellent enough and they're outstanding enough,

then that can happen, or they have a skill that's

really specialized and needed.

A lot of the people that I've talked to

and who've gone from regular military jobs

to covert military jobs, it was something really technical

that they were really good at, that there

was one out of a thousand people that

could do that job that way, and that's why they got

moved into a different position.

>> What do you think the numbers are out there, Randy,

of people like yourself that are aware, not to say they all,

of course, came to the front with the information,

but that are out there right now?

>> I have to be careful.

I can't necessarily give any kind of exact numbers,

but just based on numbers of personnel recruited and entered

into programs per year for the last 30 years,

and then those people that would exit those programs so that you

would have so many veterans, so many decades later, exiting

those programs every year--

>> With recall, mm-hmm.

>> Right.

Well, with-- not-- with or without, right?

>> How about with recall?

You know?

>> Well, with-- let's just say, total,

that number would be more than a hundred thousand personnel per

year more than personnel per year that would be exiting

a tour of duty and coming back into civilian life.

So you add up a couple of decades of more than a hundred

thousand people per year, you're talking about more

than millions of people.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

>> Oh, fascinating.

>> And I would say-- and I would say,

of those that have memory recall, 1/10 of a percent.

>> Well, we're glad to have you here talking to the world about

it.

Randy, I want to thank you for being on the show.

>> Thanks for having me.

>> I'm Emery Smith, and this is "Cosmic Disclosure."

Until next time.

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