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Once negotiations broke down,
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we were left with little choice.
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The decision was made for us to insert gas
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in an effort to coerce
those on the inside to come out.
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We followed protocol to a T.
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The Davidians were raining down
gunfire on my men.
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It looked like Christmas
out there with bullets hitting
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our tanks, and my men showed such restraint.
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Not a single shot was returned from the FBI.
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Now with that being said, are there tactics
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or decisions that you
would've made differently?
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Not a one.
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Not a one, huh?
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This is not an assault.
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The siege is over now.
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The gas you will be smelling
is a non-lethal tear gas.
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Exit the compound.
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...M60 vehicle,
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this combat engineering vehicle,
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uh, pumped tear gas...
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Gary, the Davidians had a death wish.
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That's not on the FBI.
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This thing was never gonna turn
out any different than it did.
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If anything, we should've gone in sooner,
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once we realized that negotiations
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weren't yielding any results.
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- No results?
- Yeah.
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You know I seem to recall
negotiating 35 people out
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of that building safely,
including 21 children.
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You're acting like we rushed in.
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We waited 51 days, we gave you 51 days
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to try to talk 'em out,
and you couldn't do it.
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Why isn't anyone coming out?
They should be coming out.
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No!
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...inside this building.
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Seventeen of those 95 people, children.
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Some 30...
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- We give up. We give up.
- Okay.
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Somebody help me!
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We got people down here!
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Wait! Wait!
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You failed, you didn't do
your job, so we had to do ours.
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Gentlemen, why don't we all take a break?
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Hmm?
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Give everyone a chance to cool down.
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Gary, you need to get your shit together.
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We need to come clean, Alan.
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- Oh.
- People are angry
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about what happened in Waco,
and they're scared
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because they think
that we did it on purpose.
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And we're too scared
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to tell them the truth, that they're wrong.
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It wasn't part of some master plan.
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It was just a bunch of bad
decisions and incompetence.
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Speak for yourself, Gary.
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Your men, they may have been incompetent.
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Mine sure weren't.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, the medal is in the mail, Mitch.
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Sunny day today. We can expect
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much, much more of the same
over the next few days.
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You might wanna do some
of those outdoor activities
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- you've been saving up for.
- Thanks, Sammy.
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Coming up next,
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the trial of the Waco Five
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begins in San Antonio this week
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as a federal grand jury
indicted five of the surviving
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Branch Davidians for unlawful
possession of firearms,
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and aiding in the murder
of federal officers.
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You ask me,
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it's the FBI that should be standing trial,
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not those religious nuts.
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Our government just went in there,
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burned those people alive,
women and children.
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I think every ATF and FBI agent
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at Waco should go to jail.
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sync and corrections by solfieri
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- Noesner.
- Yeah.
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It's been awhile.
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Oh yeah, sure has, since what?
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The, uh, Atlanta Prison Riots?
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No, I feel like I've seen you since.
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Oh, yeah? So, uh, what's on the menu today?
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Well, we got four guys
wearing ex-presidents masks.
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Oh, like that movie Point Break?
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Never said they were original.
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No, these guys have
been running around all over,
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robbing banks in Oklahoma,
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Arkansas, 21 in all.
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They're efficient, you know,
smart, in and out, 90 seconds,
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so local authorities had
had a hard time figuring out
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where they are until today
when we got a last-minute tip
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that bank was gonna be their next target.
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Now, we managed to grab three of the guys,
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but one of them has barricaded
himself inside,
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and he has hostages.
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We feel all four of these guys are members
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of the Aryan Republican Army.
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Oh, great. Nazis.
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What?
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Hi, my name's Gary.
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Who am I speaking with?
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People call me "Wild Bill".
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Well, Wild Bill, I'm here to help you.
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Yeah? Well, you can help me
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by getting me a helicopter,
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and I want it now
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or I'm gonna start killing people.
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And don't even think
about trying to come in here
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because I got a pipe bomb and I will blow
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this place sky high if you try it.
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Let me look into
getting you that helicopter.
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I'm serious!
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I'm taking you seriously, Wild Bill.
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- Is Bomb Squad present?
- Uh-hmm.
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Good. Keep 'em ready.
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All right. So, uh, they're gonna need
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a little time getting you that helicopter.
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- No. I want it now!
- I do, too.
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But right now, the only available helicopter
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is 50 miles away.
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In the meantime, maybe you can tell me
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how you got into this mess?
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Yeah. I got into this mess
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because somebody has to fight back.
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You can only push people so far.
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That's very true.
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Who gave you permission
to use that thing in here?
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I'm a big boy, I gave myself permission.
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Machines are not allowed in here
without a court order.
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Okay. Here's my court order.
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Funny.
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I don't see my signature on that.
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Judge Smith.
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I'm Dan Cogdell. I represent Clive Doyle.
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You're not defending anybody
with that thing in here.
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I want it gone by the time we begin.
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Uh, but, Your Honor,
I have all my notes in it.
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Then I suggest you find a way
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to get your notes out of it.
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Oh, shit.
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Baby killers!
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How come they hate us so much?
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They don't even know us.
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We'll be okay...
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somehow.
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You wanted to present a motion?
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I did, Your Honor.
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I would ask to predefine inflammatory words.
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Inflammatory words?
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Yes, Your Honor, we would move
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to make certain words inadmissible.
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Which words would you recommend
we ban, Mr. Cogdell?
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Well, for example,
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we would motion to exclude
the word "compound"
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when referring to the home at Mount Carmel,
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as the word "compound"
has militaristic connotations.
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At this point the word
"compound" has been used
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a million times to refer to Mount Carmel.
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But to the defendants
this was not a compound,
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this was their home
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where they lived and raised children,
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where they had a God-given
right to practice their...
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Save it for the trial, Mr. Cogdell.
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Denied. Next.
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We would like to exclude the term
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"Branch Davidians".
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They never call themselves by that name.
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Objection.
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If we can't call them Branch Davidians,
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then what are we supposed to call them?
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- Out to lunch?
- Well, I think
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we can all agree that moniker
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has been thoroughly tarnished by the media.
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The term "Branch Davidian"
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was tarnished by their own actions.
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But, Your Honor, they are not on trial
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for their religious beliefs.
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The defense used the term "Branch Davidians"
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in their own filings.
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I have a motion here filed
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by Rocket Rosen of the defense.
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Who's Rocket Rosen?
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I am, Your Honor.
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- Your name is Rocket?
- Yes, Your Honor.
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I was born on the 4th of July,
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so my daddy named me Rocket.
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Well, I was born on October 26,
so my daddy named me Walter.
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- Did you file this motion?
- I did.
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- But that was a mistake.
- Motion denied.
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Next.
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The word "cult".
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Do they not yet realize
that this was a cult?
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This was no cult.
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It was a communal church
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and David Koresh was their pastor.
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Once that pastor takes 20 wives
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and leads his church to mass suicide,
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I would say the word "cult" is applicable.
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But the defendants are not
on trial for mass suicide.
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Nobody thinks that any one
of them had anything to do
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with any fire or had multiple wives
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or took child brides or any of it.
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Using the word "cult" is an attempt
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to try our clients for another man's sins.
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Motion denied.
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My client Clive Doyle
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was there 15 years
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before David Koresh's arrival.
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Rose and thorn, Karen?
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My thorn is I didn't sleep
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very well 'cause Shari
kept stealing all the covers.
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And rose, I got extra oatmeal at breakfast.
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Well, how about you, Shari?
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Rose, playing.
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Thorn, Karen.
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How about you, Dad?
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Thorn is my back's been hurting me again.
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My rose is that I get to spend
this moment right now
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with my two favorite people
in the entire world, you two.
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I have never wavered on this, George,
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you don't wear a sidearm
for Sabbath service.
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Why do you think you're so special, mama?
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That you get to make all the rules?
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Because I am your prophet.
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Don't mind him.
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My name is Vernon Howell.
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I'm looking for the Prophet Lois Roden.
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Come in.
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Service is starting.
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That's what you don't get.
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It's about being a patriot
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'cause this country has lost its way.
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It's turned against the people
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who made it great in the first place.
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So what are we supposed to do?
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Just wait for things to change
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or do we fight back?
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And in your eyes, robbing banks
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is a way of fighting back?
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No, robbing banks was never the point.
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Then what is?
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Yeah. You'll see.
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Yeah, payback's coming.
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It's coming sooner than you think.
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Look, we've been talking now for 20 hours.
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And it seems to me that you and I
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aren't gonna agree on much.
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So maybe we could focus
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on what we do agree on.
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Yeah, like what?
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Like you and your friends have robbed
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21 banks successfully,
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nobody hurt, perfectly executed.
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No, I'm not admitting the other banks.
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I'm not asking you to do that.
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But you see to the world
right now, you're a legend.
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You're Robin Hood, 22 banks and you haven't
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hurt a single person.
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Now you'll do a few years' time for sure.
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But then, who knows?
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Maybe you'd sell your movie rights
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to Hollywood and go sip
margaritas on a beach.
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But the second you take someone's life,
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you are just another murderer.
266
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And nobody will care
267
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what you have to say ever again.
268
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You come out of that bank
and you're gonna have options.
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You come out of that bank,
you're gonna have a future.
270
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You want people to hear
what you have to say,
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then come out of the bank.
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Don't shoot! Unarmed! Unarmed!
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Clear! Get down on your knees.
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Hands on your head.
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Interlace your fingers.
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Our best strategy is going to be to convince
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the jury that David Koresh
was misunderstood.
278
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We need to humanize him, make him seem less
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like the boogeyman, more relatable.
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David Koresh was
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an opportunistic narcissistic piece of shit.
282
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We're not in the business
of defending Koresh.
283
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He's dead.
284
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Well, if that's how you feel,
285
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then why'd you even take this case?
286
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The issue can't be whether or not
287
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Koresh was the messiah.
288
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If that's our case, then they win,
289
00:15:11,566 --> 00:15:13,315
because guess what?
290
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He wasn't.
291
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Our case has to be about the fact
292
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the United States government
293
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raided these people's home without cause.
294
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And it was their overreach, their hubris
295
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that led to the deaths of 76
people including 17 children.
296
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And in America, you don't get to do that
297
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because, if they can do
what they did to our clients
298
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and get away with it, it'll give everyone
299
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with a badge and a gun
from a Wackenhut security guard
300
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to Janet Reno the authority
301
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to do whatever they want,
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to whomever they want,
303
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however they want.
304
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And that's the argument we need to make.
305
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- Amen.
- Yeah.
306
00:15:48,566 --> 00:15:52,485
What in the hell is that asshole doing here?
307
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You get lost, Johnston, or are you,
308
00:15:54,156 --> 00:15:56,405
uh, here to beg for mercy?
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Neither. I've got an offer for you.
310
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They're offering 15 years
with the possibility of parole.
311
00:16:03,866 --> 00:16:06,915
What would I have to do
if I did take the deal?
312
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You'd have to plead guilty and then testify
313
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against the other members of your group.
314
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No, wait, wait, wait.
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Before you close your mind to it,
316
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you should know that they've offered
317
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the same deal to all five of you.
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If you don't take it,
you face the possibility
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of life without parole.
320
00:16:24,726 --> 00:16:27,435
But I didn't do anything.
321
00:16:27,436 --> 00:16:30,525
Clive, unfortunately, that doesn't matter.
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It's a conspiracy charge.
323
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If any single one of you is found guilty,
324
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then you're all guilty.
325
00:16:37,906 --> 00:16:41,115
If any one of you pulled
the trigger of a gun,
326
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then you all pulled the trigger.
327
00:16:43,286 --> 00:16:45,455
You're gonna rise and fall together.
328
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You got until opening statements to decide
329
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and then the deal's off the table.
330
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Here is what is going to happen.
331
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Instead of arguing about this juror
332
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or that juror,
333
00:16:58,426 --> 00:17:01,215
going back and forth, you, then you.
334
00:17:01,216 --> 00:17:04,975
I am gonna save us a whole lot of time
335
00:17:04,976 --> 00:17:06,645
and the American taxpayer
336
00:17:06,646 --> 00:17:08,685
a lot of money
and help pick the jury myself.
337
00:17:08,686 --> 00:17:09,935
So you can all relax.
338
00:17:09,936 --> 00:17:11,815
Objection, Your Honor.
339
00:17:11,816 --> 00:17:13,985
You can't object to me. I'm the judge.
340
00:17:13,986 --> 00:17:15,826
Well, then, uh, exception.
341
00:17:17,196 --> 00:17:18,326
Noted.
342
00:17:22,196 --> 00:17:23,366
Can he do that?
343
00:17:27,996 --> 00:17:30,705
How do you feel
about people who join a cult?
344
00:17:30,706 --> 00:17:31,955
Objection.
345
00:17:31,956 --> 00:17:35,165
Exception, Your Hon... shit.
346
00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:36,295
How do you feel
347
00:17:36,296 --> 00:17:38,135
about people who join
348
00:17:38,136 --> 00:17:40,595
extremist religious groups?
349
00:17:40,596 --> 00:17:43,345
I do have negative feelings towards people
350
00:17:43,346 --> 00:17:47,185
who abuse children
if that's what you're asking.
351
00:17:47,186 --> 00:17:48,975
Or people who give their sense of choice
352
00:17:48,976 --> 00:17:51,515
over to false prophets.
353
00:17:51,516 --> 00:17:53,355
You can stay.
354
00:17:53,356 --> 00:17:55,855
So, Clive, how'd you come to be here?
355
00:17:55,856 --> 00:17:58,405
My mom and I heard some of Lois's teachings,
356
00:17:58,406 --> 00:18:00,656
so we followed that message
all the way here.
357
00:18:01,576 --> 00:18:03,615
That was 15 years ago.
358
00:18:03,616 --> 00:18:04,945
All the way from Australia?
359
00:18:04,946 --> 00:18:07,205
I don't think I'll ever leave.
360
00:18:07,206 --> 00:18:08,666
Wow.
361
00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:13,625
How about you? What brought you here?
362
00:18:13,626 --> 00:18:14,876
Me?
363
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:19,255
Well, I learned to read
by reading the Bible.
364
00:18:19,256 --> 00:18:21,845
I can't see so well,
you know, all the letters
365
00:18:21,846 --> 00:18:25,015
get mixed up and stuff,
so I have trouble reading books,
366
00:18:25,016 --> 00:18:27,135
but the Bible.
367
00:18:27,136 --> 00:18:29,476
Man, I could just sit
and read it like magic.
368
00:18:31,526 --> 00:18:32,975
And you know what struck me?
369
00:18:32,976 --> 00:18:35,525
Huh.
370
00:18:35,526 --> 00:18:38,355
I mean, for years,
I asked anyone who might know,
371
00:18:38,356 --> 00:18:40,735
"Hey, what happened
to all those old prophets?"
372
00:18:40,736 --> 00:18:42,485
Are there any still living now?
373
00:18:42,486 --> 00:18:45,235
"Or did they all get stuck here
in this old book?"
374
00:18:45,236 --> 00:18:46,905
"And they'd say," Quiet, boy.
375
00:18:46,906 --> 00:18:48,205
Sit down and listen to what we're teachin'."
376
00:18:49,916 --> 00:18:51,915
But nobody could answer that one question.
377
00:18:51,916 --> 00:18:54,585
So I turned to God and I asked Him,
378
00:18:54,586 --> 00:18:58,886
"Please, if there's a prophet,
please lead me there."
379
00:19:00,466 --> 00:19:02,715
Then three days later, out of the blue,
380
00:19:02,716 --> 00:19:04,505
my grandma tells me about
some prophet out here
381
00:19:04,506 --> 00:19:06,515
on the plains of Waco.
382
00:19:06,516 --> 00:19:08,515
Her name was Lois Roden,
383
00:19:08,516 --> 00:19:10,606
and she lived at a place
called Mount Carmel.
384
00:19:13,026 --> 00:19:15,515
Went to my room, packed my stuff,
385
00:19:15,516 --> 00:19:17,106
got here as fast as I could.
386
00:19:19,116 --> 00:19:22,486
That's... like a miracle.
387
00:19:23,996 --> 00:19:27,166
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
388
00:19:35,296 --> 00:19:37,676
Did they offer you all the plea deal too?
389
00:19:43,846 --> 00:19:45,425
My lawyer told me the worst thing
390
00:19:45,426 --> 00:19:46,675
that could happen is someone else
391
00:19:46,676 --> 00:19:48,186
taking the deal if I don't.
392
00:19:50,306 --> 00:19:54,805
Man, the government wants
their pound of flesh
393
00:19:54,806 --> 00:19:56,395
and they're gonna get it
394
00:19:56,396 --> 00:19:58,065
if we don't stay strong and stick together.
395
00:19:58,066 --> 00:19:59,985
Look around this room.
396
00:19:59,986 --> 00:20:02,815
Do you expect anyone
is actually going to think
397
00:20:02,816 --> 00:20:05,366
Clive shot federal agents in cold blood?
398
00:20:06,406 --> 00:20:08,325
Or Ruth?
399
00:20:08,326 --> 00:20:10,745
It doesn't matter what they think.
400
00:20:10,746 --> 00:20:13,245
If they think any of us did it,
then we all did it.
401
00:20:13,246 --> 00:20:14,825
I wasn't even there.
402
00:20:14,826 --> 00:20:18,585
Do you think any of this is about truth?
403
00:20:18,586 --> 00:20:20,835
Or fairness? Or justice? Because it's not.
404
00:20:20,836 --> 00:20:22,755
It is about anger.
405
00:20:22,756 --> 00:20:26,675
They are gonna roll over us
no matter what we do.
406
00:20:26,676 --> 00:20:27,885
So we may as well get through this
407
00:20:27,886 --> 00:20:30,266
with our dignity intact.
408
00:20:32,096 --> 00:20:34,845
The government can make up
whatever story they want
409
00:20:34,846 --> 00:20:37,305
about what happened inside Mount Carmel,
410
00:20:37,306 --> 00:20:39,645
but no one knows what you did
411
00:20:39,646 --> 00:20:42,025
or didn't do behind closed doors,
412
00:20:42,026 --> 00:20:45,155
nobody but the people in this room.
413
00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:47,315
So if we stay united
414
00:20:47,316 --> 00:20:49,706
and refute their story, then...
415
00:20:52,416 --> 00:20:53,996
maybe we have a chance.
416
00:21:17,646 --> 00:21:19,436
Oh, shit.
417
00:21:23,106 --> 00:21:26,235
Hey, Dusty, mind if I pick
your brain about something?
418
00:21:26,236 --> 00:21:28,815
I was looking at Wild Bill's file.
419
00:21:28,816 --> 00:21:30,735
Why? We already put him in jail.
420
00:21:30,736 --> 00:21:34,405
Well, Wild Bill and his friends
successfully robbed 21 banks.
421
00:21:34,406 --> 00:21:35,785
But in their files,
422
00:21:35,786 --> 00:21:36,915
it doesn't seem as though they made
423
00:21:36,916 --> 00:21:39,575
any conspicuous purchases.
424
00:21:39,576 --> 00:21:42,085
That, combined with
his comment about "payback,"
425
00:21:42,086 --> 00:21:43,755
it was bugging me
426
00:21:43,756 --> 00:21:45,215
and I wanted to make sure
I wasn't missing anything.
427
00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:49,045
So I took a closer look and I found this.
428
00:21:49,046 --> 00:21:50,386
What am I looking at?
429
00:21:51,346 --> 00:21:53,135
You see that flag?
430
00:21:53,136 --> 00:21:56,595
That's the same flag
they flew over at Mount Carmel.
431
00:21:56,596 --> 00:21:58,975
David Koresh designed it himself.
432
00:21:58,976 --> 00:22:00,555
Huh.
433
00:22:00,556 --> 00:22:04,475
Did Wild Bill have some connection to Waco?
434
00:22:04,476 --> 00:22:06,275
I doubt it.
435
00:22:06,276 --> 00:22:09,275
The flag is probably used
more as a recruitment tool
436
00:22:09,276 --> 00:22:12,025
to fire people up.
437
00:22:12,026 --> 00:22:14,615
Any sense where that photo was taken?
438
00:22:14,616 --> 00:22:15,996
It doesn't say in the file.
439
00:22:17,706 --> 00:22:19,535
It looks like Elohim City to me.
440
00:22:19,536 --> 00:22:21,205
It's a town of sorts.
441
00:22:21,206 --> 00:22:24,745
Started in the early '70s
by a group of former Mennonites,
442
00:22:24,746 --> 00:22:26,965
which gave birth to
the Christian Identity movement,
443
00:22:26,966 --> 00:22:28,425
which is, basically...
444
00:22:28,426 --> 00:22:29,545
Christianity for White Supremacists.
445
00:22:29,546 --> 00:22:31,385
Uh-hmm.
446
00:22:31,386 --> 00:22:33,385
We'd need a serious warrant
and a small army to go in there.
447
00:22:33,386 --> 00:22:35,805
Something which, after Waco,
I don't think any of our bosses
448
00:22:35,806 --> 00:22:37,516
would be willing to take a chance on.
449
00:22:42,066 --> 00:22:44,646
Clive Doyle, you have a visitor.
450
00:22:46,696 --> 00:22:48,116
Let's go.
451
00:22:52,906 --> 00:22:54,485
Some of the other families
452
00:22:54,486 --> 00:22:55,786
mentioned something about a plea deal?
453
00:23:00,416 --> 00:23:03,375
It's true. They've offered one.
454
00:23:03,376 --> 00:23:06,506
I'm not sure I'm gonna take the deal, Karen.
455
00:23:07,386 --> 00:23:08,426
Why not?
456
00:23:10,966 --> 00:23:14,135
Because they want us to say
it was our fault.
457
00:23:14,136 --> 00:23:15,305
And it wasn't.
458
00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:17,136
Just get out, Dad.
459
00:23:18,766 --> 00:23:22,935
Shari's gone, everything's gone.
460
00:23:22,936 --> 00:23:25,355
How much more do you feel
like you have to suffer?
461
00:23:25,356 --> 00:23:27,935
I loved David too, but it's over!
462
00:23:27,936 --> 00:23:29,025
I need my father back.
463
00:23:29,026 --> 00:23:30,815
I know, but...
464
00:23:30,816 --> 00:23:33,076
You've already lost, Dad.
465
00:23:34,696 --> 00:23:36,656
There's no more point in fighting it.
466
00:23:39,456 --> 00:23:40,746
Anne...
467
00:23:42,626 --> 00:23:44,506
she needs her grandfather.
468
00:23:46,836 --> 00:23:48,086
What?
469
00:23:49,636 --> 00:23:52,596
Really?
470
00:23:58,686 --> 00:24:00,476
There's your rose.
471
00:24:02,306 --> 00:24:03,725
Is it?
472
00:24:28,836 --> 00:24:30,875
It's 15 years of loyalty,
473
00:24:30,876 --> 00:24:33,925
15 years of putting my life
on the line and then for what?
474
00:24:33,926 --> 00:24:35,335
For what?
475
00:24:35,336 --> 00:24:36,595
Hey, hey, get your hands off me, man.
476
00:24:36,596 --> 00:24:37,806
Get off me.
477
00:24:45,186 --> 00:24:47,146
- Weren't you...
- Yeah.
478
00:24:48,356 --> 00:24:50,065
Yeah, yeah, we've met.
479
00:24:50,066 --> 00:24:51,356
Right.
480
00:24:56,196 --> 00:24:57,696
Do you wanna get a drink?
481
00:24:58,996 --> 00:25:00,365
On the fire ants?
482
00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:03,035
On the goddamn fire ants.
483
00:25:03,036 --> 00:25:05,415
Oh, Jesus.
484
00:25:05,416 --> 00:25:07,535
I mean, why anybody would build
their heaven on earth
485
00:25:07,536 --> 00:25:11,126
on top of a goddamn fire ant
hill is just beyond me.
486
00:25:14,546 --> 00:25:15,965
So, come on, why'd... why did you...
487
00:25:15,966 --> 00:25:17,545
Why did you ask me here?
488
00:25:17,546 --> 00:25:19,726
Come on, I know it wasn't
to talk about fire ants.
489
00:25:22,266 --> 00:25:24,595
Because my wife thinks
I should talk to someone
490
00:25:24,596 --> 00:25:25,686
and, uh...
491
00:25:27,226 --> 00:25:28,725
there aren't a lot of people
492
00:25:28,726 --> 00:25:30,935
who know what it was like to be there.
493
00:25:30,936 --> 00:25:33,645
You have regrets?
494
00:25:33,646 --> 00:25:36,815
I just keep wondering
if I did this differently
495
00:25:36,816 --> 00:25:38,655
or if I said that differently,
496
00:25:38,656 --> 00:25:41,325
then maybe things could've
turned out different, you know.
497
00:25:41,326 --> 00:25:43,366
Yeah, I do that too.
498
00:25:45,246 --> 00:25:47,876
And then there are times that
I wonder if you were just...
499
00:25:49,206 --> 00:25:51,585
just damned from the start.
500
00:25:51,586 --> 00:25:53,165
We weren't damned from the start.
501
00:25:53,166 --> 00:25:55,426
We damned ourselves
through our own stupidity.
502
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:58,125
Mmm.
503
00:25:58,126 --> 00:26:00,295
What do you know about Elohim City?
504
00:26:00,296 --> 00:26:03,255
I know they're a bunch of racist assholes,
505
00:26:03,256 --> 00:26:05,555
but other than that, you know,
it's not my department,
506
00:26:05,556 --> 00:26:08,095
so I don't really pay attention to it.
507
00:26:08,096 --> 00:26:11,055
But this man from Elohim City,
he was so angry.
508
00:26:11,056 --> 00:26:12,895
Uh-hmm.
509
00:26:12,896 --> 00:26:16,105
And I just keep thinking about the...
510
00:26:16,106 --> 00:26:18,815
people protesting at the barricades at Waco
511
00:26:18,816 --> 00:26:21,746
and I just feel this...
512
00:26:23,866 --> 00:26:27,416
this undercurrent of rage in America.
513
00:26:30,956 --> 00:26:34,045
And I think we helped create the monster
514
00:26:34,046 --> 00:26:35,836
we're trying to stop.
515
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,385
Look, I know someone
working the Elohim City case.
516
00:26:46,386 --> 00:26:48,646
And, uh, I might be able to set you up.
517
00:26:55,106 --> 00:26:57,446
This is blasphemy!
518
00:26:58,566 --> 00:27:00,695
I won't stand for it.
519
00:27:00,696 --> 00:27:02,195
I speak the truth.
520
00:27:02,196 --> 00:27:03,825
God handles the consequences.
521
00:27:03,826 --> 00:27:07,445
George, the Holy Spirit is feminine.
522
00:27:07,446 --> 00:27:09,785
We live in a male dominated society
523
00:27:09,786 --> 00:27:12,455
and it has resulted
in a male dominated translation
524
00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:13,995
of the Bible.
525
00:27:13,996 --> 00:27:17,455
There is the Father, there is the Son,
526
00:27:17,456 --> 00:27:19,085
and the Holy Spirit is mother.
527
00:27:20,506 --> 00:27:21,846
Lois is right.
528
00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:25,806
What did you just say?
529
00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:29,385
I said, "Lois is right."
530
00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:31,135
I never saw it before
531
00:27:31,136 --> 00:27:33,475
but she's mentioned
all over the Old Testament.
532
00:27:33,476 --> 00:27:35,225
Proverbs 31:25,
533
00:27:35,226 --> 00:27:36,855
"She is clothed with strength and dignity,
534
00:27:36,856 --> 00:27:39,145
and she laughs without fear of the future."
535
00:27:39,146 --> 00:27:40,605
Proverbs 31:10,
536
00:27:40,606 --> 00:27:42,105
"She is far more precious than jewels."
537
00:27:42,106 --> 00:27:43,775
Psalms 46:5,
538
00:27:43,776 --> 00:27:46,275
"God is in the midst of her;
she shall not be moved."
539
00:27:46,276 --> 00:27:48,365
- Quiet!
- Proverbs 31:26,
540
00:27:48,366 --> 00:27:50,365
"She opens her mouth with wisdom,
541
00:27:50,366 --> 00:27:53,365
and the teaching of kindness
is on her tongue."
542
00:27:53,366 --> 00:27:56,245
Matthew 11:19, Luke 3:22.
543
00:27:56,246 --> 00:27:57,915
There are dozens of examples in the Bible
544
00:27:57,916 --> 00:28:00,915
where the Holy Spirit
is referred to as "she".
545
00:28:00,916 --> 00:28:03,175
I mean, George, are you saying
the Bible is wrong?
546
00:28:03,176 --> 00:28:05,965
No.
547
00:28:05,966 --> 00:28:08,765
Of course, I'm not saying
the Bible is wrong.
548
00:28:31,166 --> 00:28:32,705
Probably won't get you laid,
549
00:28:32,706 --> 00:28:34,496
but it'll make you look more respectable.
550
00:28:38,046 --> 00:28:41,665
Have you decided on the plea deal?
551
00:28:41,666 --> 00:28:44,175
This is your last chance to take it.
552
00:28:44,176 --> 00:28:47,056
You should be more careful with George.
553
00:28:50,186 --> 00:28:51,766
He can be pretty mean.
554
00:28:53,766 --> 00:28:56,475
I'm not worried about old George Roden.
555
00:28:56,476 --> 00:28:58,185
He's not the first bully I dealt with.
556
00:28:58,186 --> 00:29:00,895
I'm sure he won't be the last.
557
00:29:00,896 --> 00:29:02,985
"So do not fear, for I am with you."
558
00:29:02,986 --> 00:29:05,315
Do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
559
00:29:05,316 --> 00:29:07,865
I will strengthen you and I will help you.
560
00:29:07,866 --> 00:29:11,075
"I will uphold you
with my righteous right hand."
561
00:29:11,076 --> 00:29:13,445
Isaiah said that.
562
00:29:13,446 --> 00:29:15,705
You can go hide all your life,
563
00:29:15,706 --> 00:29:17,375
but then the whole world
564
00:29:17,376 --> 00:29:20,125
winds up getting run
by the George Rodens everywhere.
565
00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:21,795
That's no way to please the Lord.
566
00:29:21,796 --> 00:29:23,085
No.
567
00:29:23,086 --> 00:29:24,965
You gotta show that faith.
568
00:29:24,966 --> 00:29:26,965
You got to show it by standing up,
569
00:29:26,966 --> 00:29:30,005
by doing what's right,
570
00:29:30,006 --> 00:29:31,465
regardless of what all them bullies
571
00:29:31,466 --> 00:29:32,896
tell you what they think you should do.
572
00:29:34,606 --> 00:29:36,765
It's just that George is sick in the head.
573
00:29:36,766 --> 00:29:38,395
He's... he's violent.
574
00:29:38,396 --> 00:29:40,486
You don't understand what he's capable of.
575
00:29:52,866 --> 00:29:55,286
He doesn't know what I'm capable of either.
576
00:29:58,336 --> 00:30:00,336
I'm stronger than they realize.
577
00:30:02,126 --> 00:30:05,176
And so are you, Clive Doyle.
578
00:30:09,346 --> 00:30:11,136
I don't give in to bullies.
579
00:30:12,846 --> 00:30:16,885
It's our job to do what's right.
580
00:30:16,886 --> 00:30:19,186
And it's God's job to sort out the rest.
581
00:30:20,606 --> 00:30:24,225
Okay, then let's go give 'em hell.
582
00:30:50,926 --> 00:30:52,295
So, I've just had breakfast
583
00:30:52,296 --> 00:30:54,095
with defendant Schroeder,
584
00:30:54,096 --> 00:30:56,265
and she's going to be playing
for the home team now,
585
00:30:56,266 --> 00:30:59,055
so get some statements over...
586
00:30:59,056 --> 00:31:01,975
But I just wanted to let you know for now.
587
00:31:01,976 --> 00:31:03,736
Good morning, by the way.
588
00:31:12,656 --> 00:31:14,615
Kathy Schroeder just flipped.
589
00:31:14,616 --> 00:31:15,905
She took the plea deal
590
00:31:15,906 --> 00:31:18,325
and she's turning state's witness.
591
00:31:18,326 --> 00:31:20,325
Kathy's going to testify against us?
592
00:31:20,326 --> 00:31:21,495
Yeah.
593
00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:32,886
Now this is a simple story...
594
00:31:33,766 --> 00:31:35,596
with two clear sides.
595
00:31:36,806 --> 00:31:39,055
The government agents
596
00:31:39,056 --> 00:31:42,016
who went in to serve
a legal search warrant...
597
00:31:43,436 --> 00:31:47,475
and the Branch Davidians,
led by David Koresh,
598
00:31:47,476 --> 00:31:51,855
who adhered to a philosophy of death.
599
00:31:51,856 --> 00:31:54,365
A philosophy that led Koresh
600
00:31:54,366 --> 00:31:57,235
to train his people for battle
601
00:31:57,236 --> 00:31:58,905
and arm them for war,
602
00:31:58,906 --> 00:32:02,495
so that when those agents
approached Mount Carmel
603
00:32:02,496 --> 00:32:05,835
to do their legal duty,
604
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:09,875
the defendants laid in wait
with guns in their hands.
605
00:32:09,876 --> 00:32:12,465
And when the agents got close enough,
606
00:32:12,466 --> 00:32:15,215
the Branch Davidians opened fire,
607
00:32:15,216 --> 00:32:18,555
murdering four federal officers
608
00:32:18,556 --> 00:32:20,555
in cold blood.
609
00:32:20,556 --> 00:32:22,766
These men and women aren't killers.
610
00:32:24,316 --> 00:32:25,686
They're victims.
611
00:32:28,066 --> 00:32:32,645
First, they were victimized by David Koresh,
612
00:32:32,646 --> 00:32:36,786
a charismatic con man who brainwashed them
613
00:32:38,496 --> 00:32:41,905
into believing he was a messiah on earth.
614
00:32:49,676 --> 00:32:52,386
And then they were victimized by the ATF,
615
00:32:53,506 --> 00:32:56,045
who led an unnecessary
616
00:32:56,046 --> 00:32:58,295
ill-advised assault on their home
617
00:32:58,296 --> 00:33:01,555
that left 76 of their friends and family,
618
00:33:01,556 --> 00:33:04,555
and even their children, dead.
619
00:33:04,556 --> 00:33:06,435
You're making us look like sheep,
620
00:33:06,436 --> 00:33:08,305
like we just blindly followed David
621
00:33:08,306 --> 00:33:09,975
with no minds of our own.
622
00:33:09,976 --> 00:33:11,855
This isn't the strategy
we talked about before.
623
00:33:11,856 --> 00:33:13,435
We weren't brainwashed.
624
00:33:13,436 --> 00:33:15,735
We were defending something real.
625
00:33:15,736 --> 00:33:17,065
We all believed in
626
00:33:17,066 --> 00:33:18,195
because we saw it with our own eyes.
627
00:33:18,196 --> 00:33:21,445
My husband was shot dead
628
00:33:21,446 --> 00:33:22,945
and ripped to pieces
629
00:33:22,946 --> 00:33:25,785
by a government tank
because of those beliefs.
630
00:33:25,786 --> 00:33:27,955
It's not just the four of us on trial here.
631
00:33:27,956 --> 00:33:32,125
When you say that
what we believe in is stupid,
632
00:33:32,126 --> 00:33:34,215
you're saying that the people that we loved
633
00:33:34,216 --> 00:33:37,385
who burned in that building
died for nothing.
634
00:33:37,386 --> 00:33:39,595
I don't give a rat's ass
about your religion.
635
00:33:39,596 --> 00:33:42,016
And frankly, I don't even care
if you look sane.
636
00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:46,805
All I care about is keeping you out of jail.
637
00:33:46,806 --> 00:33:48,186
That's my only focus here.
638
00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:52,145
And our defense tactics have to change,
639
00:33:52,146 --> 00:33:54,316
because Kathy Schroeder flipped on you.
640
00:33:56,026 --> 00:33:58,275
Before, you were all a united front,
641
00:33:58,276 --> 00:34:01,195
whatever the prosecutor said
happened at Mount Carmel,
642
00:34:01,196 --> 00:34:03,195
was speculation.
643
00:34:03,196 --> 00:34:06,495
Now, one of your own is going
to corroborate their claims.
644
00:34:06,496 --> 00:34:09,075
Kathy is gonna tell the jury
that she passed out guns
645
00:34:09,076 --> 00:34:11,245
to each and every one of you
during the siege.
646
00:34:11,246 --> 00:34:13,375
I wasn't even there.
647
00:34:13,376 --> 00:34:15,715
Well, then she's gonna say
you bought the guns,
648
00:34:15,716 --> 00:34:17,675
make you into an arms dealer
with a death wish.
649
00:34:17,676 --> 00:34:22,005
She's gonna turn the rest of you
into an army out for blood.
650
00:34:22,006 --> 00:34:26,305
So if-if we can't say you never held a gun,
651
00:34:26,306 --> 00:34:28,265
we have to make the jury believe
652
00:34:28,266 --> 00:34:30,935
that you had no choice but to pick one up.
653
00:34:30,936 --> 00:34:34,185
You had no choice but to protect yourselves,
654
00:34:34,186 --> 00:34:37,445
because David Koresh conditioned you
655
00:34:37,446 --> 00:34:39,355
to do whatever he said,
656
00:34:39,356 --> 00:34:42,115
and the government charged in
trying to kill your children.
657
00:34:42,116 --> 00:34:44,695
But we didn't just do
whatever he told us to do.
658
00:34:44,696 --> 00:34:46,445
- We-we made choices.
- Yeah, look,
659
00:34:46,446 --> 00:34:48,785
you can be as pissed
as you want at me in here,
660
00:34:48,786 --> 00:34:50,495
but when we're in that courtroom,
661
00:34:50,496 --> 00:34:54,665
you need to sit there,
and you need to look sorry.
662
00:34:54,666 --> 00:34:56,755
You need to stop shaking your head
663
00:34:56,756 --> 00:34:59,625
and-and stop glowering at the prosecutors.
664
00:34:59,626 --> 00:35:03,345
And you, you need to wear a dress.
665
00:35:03,346 --> 00:35:05,805
Yeah, something that makes you look softer
666
00:35:05,806 --> 00:35:07,425
and more vulnerable.
667
00:35:07,426 --> 00:35:08,845
I don't wear dresses.
668
00:35:08,846 --> 00:35:10,515
Well, then we'll get you one.
669
00:35:10,516 --> 00:35:12,395
But you need to start doing your part.
670
00:35:12,396 --> 00:35:15,066
You need to start acting like the victim.
671
00:35:17,316 --> 00:35:19,776
You need to be honest about who you are.
672
00:35:20,696 --> 00:35:23,025
Proverbs speaks to this,
673
00:35:23,026 --> 00:35:24,945
calling for insight,
674
00:35:24,946 --> 00:35:28,615
not being afraid to ask for help,
675
00:35:28,616 --> 00:35:30,956
so that we can better understand ourselves.
676
00:35:33,456 --> 00:35:36,875
Vernon, what are you struggling with?
677
00:35:36,876 --> 00:35:38,216
How can we help you?
678
00:35:40,846 --> 00:35:45,255
I struggle with my own desires,
679
00:35:45,256 --> 00:35:47,556
which I feel so strong sometimes.
680
00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:50,396
What kind of desires?
681
00:35:52,106 --> 00:35:53,646
Pleasure of the flesh.
682
00:35:55,776 --> 00:35:58,025
Sometimes it's so strong,
683
00:35:58,026 --> 00:36:00,645
I have to relieve that pressure
several times a day.
684
00:36:00,646 --> 00:36:01,695
Oh!
685
00:36:01,696 --> 00:36:04,525
It's okay. It's okay.
686
00:36:04,526 --> 00:36:06,735
You should feel comfortable to share.
687
00:36:06,736 --> 00:36:08,445
You shouldn't feel embarrassed.
688
00:36:08,446 --> 00:36:10,326
I never said I was embarrassed.
689
00:36:13,626 --> 00:36:15,796
Everyone has their own struggles.
690
00:36:16,916 --> 00:36:19,415
No temptation has overtaken you
691
00:36:19,416 --> 00:36:22,165
that is not common to man.
692
00:36:22,166 --> 00:36:24,045
God is faithful.
693
00:36:24,046 --> 00:36:26,545
He will not let you be tempted
beyond your ability, but...
694
00:36:26,546 --> 00:36:28,005
But with that temptation,
695
00:36:28,006 --> 00:36:29,846
He will also provide the way of escape.
696
00:36:30,766 --> 00:36:33,435
Corinthians 10:13.
697
00:36:33,436 --> 00:36:36,105
But when that temptation comes over me,
698
00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:39,605
I wonder if she's ever known
loving hands on her body,
699
00:36:39,606 --> 00:36:42,116
if she's ever felt true pleasure
700
00:36:43,406 --> 00:36:46,315
and I'm overcome...
701
00:36:46,316 --> 00:36:50,076
with desire until I feel
like I might go mad.
702
00:36:54,036 --> 00:36:55,955
You were, uh...
703
00:36:55,956 --> 00:36:57,915
You were pretty honest at Bible study.
704
00:36:57,916 --> 00:37:00,205
I promised myself that when I came here,
705
00:37:00,206 --> 00:37:02,046
I wouldn't hold back any bit of myself...
706
00:37:03,466 --> 00:37:05,255
even those little ugly parts
707
00:37:05,256 --> 00:37:07,386
that I'd rather sometimes
just sweep under the rug.
708
00:37:09,676 --> 00:37:12,766
I... I felt the same way when I came here.
709
00:37:14,226 --> 00:37:16,226
Like I wanted to give all of myself.
710
00:37:18,816 --> 00:37:20,396
Kindred spirits, I guess.
711
00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:26,196
- Looks good over here.
- Oh, do you need me?
712
00:37:27,536 --> 00:37:29,615
Not just yet.
713
00:37:29,616 --> 00:37:32,576
Actually, uh, I just came over
to talk to Vernon.
714
00:37:33,916 --> 00:37:36,665
Uh, Vernon,
715
00:37:36,666 --> 00:37:40,375
I'm getting ready to go
on my yearly trip to Israel.
716
00:37:40,376 --> 00:37:43,045
And I think you should join me...
717
00:37:43,046 --> 00:37:44,046
to study.
718
00:37:53,056 --> 00:37:54,635
Nothing would give me more pleasure
719
00:37:54,636 --> 00:37:56,856
than learning right from your hands.
720
00:37:57,976 --> 00:37:59,026
Good.
721
00:38:00,436 --> 00:38:02,145
That's settled then.
722
00:38:28,216 --> 00:38:31,095
Hi. Uh, excuse me. Are you Angie?
723
00:38:31,096 --> 00:38:32,385
Jacob sent me.
724
00:38:32,386 --> 00:38:33,715
- Oh, yes.
- Yeah.
725
00:38:33,716 --> 00:38:34,805
- Gary?
- Right.
726
00:38:34,806 --> 00:38:35,806
- Okay. Hi.
- Yeah.
727
00:38:36,976 --> 00:38:38,975
So you drew the short straw, huh?
728
00:38:38,976 --> 00:38:41,225
Yeah. Our informant's name is Carol Howe.
729
00:38:41,226 --> 00:38:44,225
And, um, we didn't know
how seriously to take her
730
00:38:44,226 --> 00:38:47,775
because she's not the most
reliable-seeming informant.
731
00:38:47,776 --> 00:38:49,855
Uh-hmm.
732
00:38:49,856 --> 00:38:51,615
How'd she wind up here in the hospital?
733
00:38:51,616 --> 00:38:54,075
Did they find out
she was informing and hurt her?
734
00:38:54,076 --> 00:38:55,735
Actually, kind of the opposite.
735
00:38:55,736 --> 00:38:57,195
No, Wild Bill actually
beat her up pretty bad
736
00:38:57,196 --> 00:38:58,655
- before the robbery...
- Uh-hmm.
737
00:38:58,656 --> 00:39:00,615
...and she got pissed, so she tipped us off
738
00:39:00,616 --> 00:39:03,125
- as a way to get revenge.
- Mmm.
739
00:39:03,126 --> 00:39:05,415
She's not a big fan of authority,
740
00:39:05,416 --> 00:39:08,915
to say the least,
and, uh, she's a bit erratic.
741
00:39:08,916 --> 00:39:10,425
How so?
742
00:39:10,426 --> 00:39:13,346
God damn it! Come on!
743
00:39:14,886 --> 00:39:17,146
TV signal's shit in here, Angie.
744
00:39:19,976 --> 00:39:22,146
Hey there, Carol. I'm Gary.
745
00:39:23,776 --> 00:39:25,685
How's Wild Bill?
746
00:39:25,686 --> 00:39:27,435
Did he ask about me?
747
00:39:27,436 --> 00:39:29,145
He lawyered up pretty quickly,
748
00:39:29,146 --> 00:39:31,735
so I honestly don't know
what he's asking about.
749
00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:33,735
- Is he doing okay?
- Yeah,
750
00:39:33,736 --> 00:39:36,735
for someone who's gonna spend
ten to twenty years in prison.
751
00:39:36,736 --> 00:39:39,115
I didn't mean to get him
locked up that long.
752
00:39:39,116 --> 00:39:41,535
But that asshole shouldn't have
laid his hands on me like that.
753
00:39:41,536 --> 00:39:43,206
You don't mess with a lady's face!
754
00:39:44,166 --> 00:39:45,415
That's right.
755
00:39:45,416 --> 00:39:46,513
That's right.
756
00:39:46,515 --> 00:39:47,515
Uh-hmm.
757
00:39:49,006 --> 00:39:51,585
So Wild Bill had made some allusions
758
00:39:51,586 --> 00:39:54,425
to some kind of payback
against the government.
759
00:39:54,426 --> 00:39:57,345
Did he ever speak to you
about anything like that?
760
00:39:57,346 --> 00:39:59,675
Gary?
761
00:39:59,676 --> 00:40:01,765
I ain't some kind of narc.
762
00:40:01,766 --> 00:40:04,515
I'm just a person who's sick
of her boyfriend's shit.
763
00:40:04,516 --> 00:40:05,975
Yeah, fair enough.
764
00:40:05,976 --> 00:40:08,145
But, uh, I'd say there's a difference
765
00:40:08,146 --> 00:40:10,315
between being a narc and saving the lives
766
00:40:10,316 --> 00:40:12,116
of innocent people.
767
00:40:14,866 --> 00:40:16,576
Ain't nobody innocent.
768
00:40:18,536 --> 00:40:19,576
Really?
769
00:40:21,456 --> 00:40:25,875
Well, what about Elohim City?
Did you hear anyone there...
770
00:40:25,876 --> 00:40:29,256
speak about some sort of planned payback?
771
00:40:34,136 --> 00:40:36,005
I don't know about Elohim City.
772
00:40:46,856 --> 00:40:48,565
Come on, Carol, this is important.
773
00:40:48,566 --> 00:40:50,446
I'm trying to keep people from getting hurt.
774
00:40:57,826 --> 00:40:58,826
Dammit.
775
00:41:00,496 --> 00:41:02,075
I don't... the people you're asking
776
00:41:02,076 --> 00:41:03,615
about at Elohim City,
777
00:41:03,616 --> 00:41:05,456
they didn't really talk to me much, okay?
778
00:41:07,126 --> 00:41:09,585
And I never heard anything
specific about anything,
779
00:41:09,586 --> 00:41:11,466
but I will tell you...
780
00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:15,005
they talk a lot about how the government
781
00:41:15,006 --> 00:41:16,545
has turned on them.
782
00:41:19,676 --> 00:41:23,095
They talk about a holy war that's coming.
783
00:41:23,096 --> 00:41:25,935
And they're gonna be on the front lines.
784
00:41:25,936 --> 00:41:28,605
But that's nothing on its own.
785
00:41:28,606 --> 00:41:31,196
You know, I know plenty
of people who talk like that.
786
00:41:33,776 --> 00:41:37,775
But the thing about Elohim City is,
787
00:41:37,776 --> 00:41:40,536
it's full of people
who tend to mean what they say.
788
00:41:41,706 --> 00:41:43,706
What does that mean exactly?
789
00:41:46,746 --> 00:41:48,745
It means if payback is coming,
790
00:41:48,746 --> 00:41:50,626
then I would guess
it's gonna come from there.
791
00:41:56,546 --> 00:41:57,636
Yeah.
792
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793
00:42:22,656 --> 00:42:27,745
Nowhere to run to, uh, uh
57799
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