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OK, there's lots of
good Canadian music out there.
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We're gonna do
a couple of songs.
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For anybody from Alberta,
this is Four Strong Winds.
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My name is Tamara Lee Reynolds.
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We've been playing
about ten years.
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One of the ladies
in my book club
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offered to teach us in her home.
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So about seven of us signed up.
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And then the class
kept getting bigger.
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Bars and nightclubs
and, you know, whatever.
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Yeah, Jimmy Fallon
might get word of us.
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That was fun.
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I'm the proud mother
of four boys.
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This is Ryan.
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This is Jeffrey,
Terry, and Patrick.
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Ryan kind of was an old soul,
and I
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always say that I think
he brought himself up.
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You know, he had the example
of the older boys,
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who kind of looked out for him.
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And, um, he just had,
um, some wisdom about him.
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But it was not easy growing up
as Jim Reynolds' sons.
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Sometimes Jim was not...
Like, a lot of times...
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Not emotionally available.
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So I... my role,
as far as I can see it,
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was to be emotionally
available for the kids.
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Um, that was a tough time,
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and it was very hard for me
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because I could see he was
overdisciplining the kids.
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But he didn't know
any differently.
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He would just explode,
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occasionally, you know,
throw something
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against the wall
that had to be fixed after,
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and then he went, damn,
I got to fix all this now.
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And I went, yep.
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You know, I think he kind of
forgot to have fun
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with them too.
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When he was diagnosed
with Parkinson's,
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it was a downward journey.
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It was a tough situation.
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Ryan would love to have Jim here
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to see how well he's doing,
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as would the other boys.
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Jim did the best he could
with what he knew at the time.
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His emotional kit was a little
lacking, not quite adequate.
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I'm pleased as a mom
to see all four boys
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reconciling the past
in a way that works for them.
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They know that Jim would
have been so proud of them.
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My relationship with my father
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was almost exclusively
tethered and held together
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by our mutual love of sports.
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Kind of everything, you know,
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the only thing we talked about,
so it was just so much.
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It was such a harbor
in the tempest
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there for so many people.
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It's a safe place
to always return to.
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- Yeah.
- So no matter what happens,
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no matter how frayed
or fractured
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your relationship might be,
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it's a common ground
that you can always...
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Yeah.
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Come back to
and reset and restart.
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This is a generational experience.
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Um, and there are so many
things that we pass on...
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That we inherit
and that we pass on.
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When I think about this
experience with Wrexham,
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I try to think of all
the wonderful things
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that were passed down to me.
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And I try to take the best
parts of those things
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and give those to my children.
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My kids are obsessed
with Wrexham.
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They're obsessed with Wrexham.
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Wrexham! Wrexham!
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Wrexham! Wrexham!
Wrexham! Wrexham! Wrexham!
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Come on, Ollie.
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Very fortunate to have a father
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who's very much in my life
and my kids' lives.
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And, you know, to have a great
relationship with him is...
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Is fantastic
for me and... and my kids
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because, you know,
I... I say to people,
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he's like one of my
best mates, you know.
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For... come on.
What? Tozer.
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No, I was just...
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When you become a parent,
my first thought was,
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what a wanker I used to be.
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Wow.
- What do you mean, used to be?
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Yeah, so I just felt like
I had so many thank-yous
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to give to my parents.
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And I... I was kind of in awe
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of what they'd done for me
growing up.
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I think, with me, though,
I'm not really
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spending much quality time
with my children,
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apart from on a Sunday.
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- Daddy.
- What?
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Ollie,
do you want coffee or tea?
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No, I won't have
any caffeine till the game.
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I'll have tea...
Actually, do you know what?
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I think there's more caffeine
in tea than there is coffee.
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So do you want
a coffee or a tea?
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Yeah, fuck it.
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So a coffee or A tea?
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Yeah, I'll have
a coffee, please.
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It's been hard for me because
I've been away from my family.
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40 number 6.
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If we could move
Wrexham down to London,
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that would be ideal scenario.
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But that's unfortunately
impossible, so yeah,
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we've just got to keep...
Keep going,
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making it work how we are.
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And we've kind of found
a bit of a middle ground now
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with how I travel up
and staying up here
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and getting home and being at
home at the right times and...
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It's been
over a year now since...
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Yeah, it's been over a year
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since I've actually been
at home on a match day.
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Yeah, this is as normal as...
And as homely
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as it would get, I guess.
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Isn't it?
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Sometimes my wife says,
you know, this isn't...
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This isn't what married life's
meant to be like.
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But what is it meant to be like?
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I don't know.
I don't know.
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You've got to make do,
and you've got to work things
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out and, make sacrifices.
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And she understands that,
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and my kids are learning
to understand that.
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Or was it Mummy?
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I am actually missing that...
His football,
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which is
our biggest passion together.
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You know, he gets upset
about me not being there.
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My dad was away a lot.
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And, um, for me,
that was always exciting
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to have my dad
at football games.
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I remember I used to be like,
yes, Dad's here,
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because it wasn't
an everyday occurrence
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because you had work.
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I've always wanted
to be a policeman.
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And that's what I aimed to do
and actually got in at 18.
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As time went on, I went
into Royalty Protection.
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I worked with various members
of the royal family,
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queen being one of them.
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And then my last six years
of my, service,
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I was personal
protection officer
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to the Prince of Wales,
who is now Majesty the King.
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I mean, there are huge moments.
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You know, there's
going down the Thames
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on the royal barge
for the Jubilee
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or Remembrance Sunday
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or even the Royal Albert Hall,
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Royal Variety Performance
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with Dame Edna Everage
in the royal box,
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which is a good clip.
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To be part of all
those big events,
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you know, such a privilege.
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But it entailed going away
for two or three days a week
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or even two weeks at times.
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Come on, Ollie.
That's it.
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Control it.
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There were times when they were
younger when Ollie's got a...
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You know, he's in the semifinal
of a cup match
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or a school play.
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Or you've organized to go out
and do something,
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and all of a sudden, the day
before or two days before,
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it's totally rearranged,
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and... and you disappoint
the family
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um, that you're not
gonna be there.
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I mean, you have to ask Ollie
how many times I've...
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I've disappointed him
over the years,
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together with his brother
and sister.
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My mum and dad,
obviously, divorced
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when I was about 11 or 12.
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I was very happily
married to Ollie's dad.
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Um...
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we had a... I thought we had
a great marriage.
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And we had three
wonderful children.
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I was very confident
about the future
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and, um, loved our family life.
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But then Andy left.
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I was devastated
because I always thought
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that I would always
be married to Andy.
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I, you know, loved him a lot, um,
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so I suppose it... it...
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blew my world apart.
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Any marital split-up
with... with children involved
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is a huge upset.
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That was a very difficult time
for me personally.
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How do I go about telling
my three children,
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who I love to bits, that...
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That Daddy is not
gonna be around anymore
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and Daddy's gonna
move out of the house?
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That was, like, a really
fucking hard day. Um...
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It's more... it's more the
arguing of my mum and my dad.
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That's what I really remember,
just sitting in...
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- In the study...
- Yeah.
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And hearing you two
arguing in the dining room.
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And then we was all crying.
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Yeah.
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It wasn't an easy divorce.
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I'll put it that way.
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At that point in time when...
When he left, we didn't know.
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I didn't know the reason.
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Um, kept thinking
it was another woman.
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I didn't find out the truth
until months later.
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Well, it took a long time.
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It didn't... it wasn't
an overnight decision.
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It was months and months
of deciding
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of what route do I take,
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and how do I go about
telling my children
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their dad is also gay?
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On my agenda:
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players' house,
match-day travel,
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program, safeguarding,
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match confirmations
to other clubs,
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match officials, scouts,
um, a bit on medical.
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Mitch, can you speak to Lee
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about, um, menus
for next season?
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Yeah.
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And then just
some practical bits
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around training schedules, really,
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so everybody's aligned.
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So yeah, a bit varied,
in no particular order.
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Every day is different
within a football club.
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Particularly here,
over the last two years,
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it's... we've seen such a growth.
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It's definitely
a daily challenge.
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It's like you've got
a castle of gin.
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I know.
I haven't got tempted yet.
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I'm sure I will
at some point, but not yet.
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For the family, it's, you know,
the people who don't see you,
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you know, for six days a week
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and phone calls on Christmas Day
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or in the night
and all sorts of things,
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but, you know, that... that's
what you take on
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and that's what
you love, really.
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Yeah, I think, to get me here,
there's not been any sort of,
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you know, one defining moment.
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I think it's many years of, um,
probably working
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in a family business
and working for my father,
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where there is no favoritism
or anything like that.
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You have to work harder
than everybody else
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to prove yourself.
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And, that put me in good stead
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for, you know,
what I'm doing now.
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Then, father originally
was at Burton Albion.
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I think he started
as a commercial manager
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and then was a chairman
first time round.
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So when I was a child,
I can remember
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sitting with the tea ladies
in the tearoom
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and then, after the matches,
sitting in the changing rooms
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while my dad spoke
to the manager
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after the game, which I have
very vivid memories
251
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of the...
The old-style baths there
252
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with all the dirty water in it
253
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and the smell
of liniment everywhere.
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But...
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Well, when you're a child,
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you don't think about it,
do you, particularly?
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You just, you know, go with
your dad to watch football.
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And... but now I look back,
you know,
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we've had some very special
times together
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and, you know, moments that,
261
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you know, last forever, really,
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creating those moments.
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So it's been great.
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And that's... that's the only day
I've seen you
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with tears in your eyes,
on the day, I left.
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I've learned everything,
you know,
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from working with my dad,
you know,
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from the values
that he brings, you know,
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that community engagement,
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which has always been
the... the main priority.
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You... you create
the right culture
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within your environment.
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He's the oldest kitman
in the country.
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80...
- 3.
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83, yeah.
How long you been here, Rocky?
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- 29 years...
- 29.
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14 days, 16 hours through now.
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My dad's starting life
was... was challenging,
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you know, with his
circumstances with his...
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You know, his mom bringing
him up as a single parent.
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And, you know,
that's created my dad
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to be the person
that he is today,
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and that... that's filtered
to myself.
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Fleur's made a massive
contribution to where...
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To this club's success
and journey
286
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over all those years, you know.
287
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My problem now
is getting ahold of her.
288
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She's so committed
and focused on Wrexham
289
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that it probably takes her
two days to ring me back,
290
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you know,
so that's the downside.
291
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Thank you.
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My life was Andy Palmer,
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the heterosexual married man,
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three children, um,
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being a police officer.
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Um, and now all of a sudden,
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the people
that thought they knew me,
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suddenly they know
a different person.
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Yeah it was a shock,
shock to my system.
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And I wished I'd found out
when it happened
301
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and that he was honest
and truthful with me.
302
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And we sort of kept it
from the children.
303
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And that wasn't my choice.
304
00:14:06,135 --> 00:14:09,474
We ended up telling them
about 18 months later.
305
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They don't write books
about how to go about it.
306
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And you never know how your
children are gonna react.
307
00:14:17,558 --> 00:14:21,064
I think my oldest child
found it the hardest,
308
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but Ollie took it
in his stride, really.
309
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He seemed to accept it,
310
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accept the situation
that we were in.
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My dad didn't really ever
express himself as a... as a...
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As a person, as a dad.
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He didn't let us know
how he was feeling.
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And we spoke about that
when I got older.
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We spoke about why
he kept things back.
316
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We spoke about why he made
some decisions that he made.
317
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You know, he mentioned
that he wanted to keep
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his feelings to himself
319
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because I was not old enough
to understand them.
320
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I was... that's OK.
That was his choice, you know?
321
00:15:02,113 --> 00:15:04,651
Do you know what I found
really comforting
322
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is that we did have
a good marriage,
323
00:15:07,157 --> 00:15:10,128
and actually, he didn't
leave me for another woman.
324
00:15:10,129 --> 00:15:12,433
Um, he actually left me
for another guy.
325
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And I can't compete with that.
326
00:15:14,606 --> 00:15:19,146
And he did say to me, you're
the only woman I'll ever love.
327
00:15:19,147 --> 00:15:22,587
And I always get
a lot of comfort from that.
328
00:15:25,126 --> 00:15:27,163
I'm getting emotional now
because I've never
329
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spoken about it.
330
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But, you know, you're
the strongest person I know.
331
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And I love you very much.
332
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And thank you for always
being there for me.
333
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- Thank you.
- And you're the best.
334
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:37,684
You're the best mum
I could have asked for.
335
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I love you too. Gosh.
336
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Here he comes.
337
00:15:41,192 --> 00:15:42,561
Holding up the traffic?
338
00:15:42,562 --> 00:15:44,063
Just a typical...
339
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Yeah.
340
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This is all he's done for work,
341
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really, last 20 years.
342
00:15:51,513 --> 00:15:53,114
I appreciate that, actually.
343
00:15:53,115 --> 00:15:56,187
Must have been an extremely
tough time for you, you know?
344
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You had a...
345
00:15:58,292 --> 00:15:59,628
Certain job.
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Certain job which come
with a lot of coverage.
347
00:16:02,367 --> 00:16:03,603
Yeah.
348
00:16:03,604 --> 00:16:08,178
And also,
you had parents who were...
349
00:16:08,179 --> 00:16:09,615
What's the word?
350
00:16:09,616 --> 00:16:13,188
You know what my dad
said to me when I told him?
351
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:14,457
No.
352
00:16:14,458 --> 00:16:16,495
He said, can you go...
Go to the doctor
353
00:16:16,496 --> 00:16:19,133
and get any tablets for it?
354
00:16:19,134 --> 00:16:25,078
So... but that's... that's what
the people of my dad's era
355
00:16:25,079 --> 00:16:28,285
would think, that you could
just go to your local doctor
356
00:16:28,286 --> 00:16:29,353
and get a cure for it.
357
00:16:29,354 --> 00:16:30,757
But this is the thing, right.
358
00:16:30,758 --> 00:16:33,529
As I speak to people openly
about you being gay,
359
00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:36,200
by telling them,
they go, my brother's gay.
360
00:16:36,201 --> 00:16:37,637
Well, they feel
more comfortable in your...
361
00:16:37,638 --> 00:16:39,106
This is what happened with...
362
00:16:39,107 --> 00:16:40,510
This is what happened
with Rob McElhenney.
363
00:16:40,511 --> 00:16:41,779
Yeah.
364
00:16:41,780 --> 00:16:43,481
You came to the...
To the Racecourse.
365
00:16:43,482 --> 00:16:45,218
To Wrexham, yeah.
366
00:16:45,219 --> 00:16:46,622
I said to Rob, this is my dad.
367
00:16:46,623 --> 00:16:48,358
This is his partner, Mark.
368
00:16:48,359 --> 00:16:51,264
And then we traveled
down to the game,
369
00:16:51,265 --> 00:16:53,301
- and he traveled with us.
- OK.
370
00:16:53,302 --> 00:16:56,575
And I said, that wasn't his
business partner, by the way.
371
00:16:56,576 --> 00:16:58,713
He said, I did have an idea.
I was like, why?
372
00:17:00,149 --> 00:17:02,453
Hi, my name
is Helena McElhenney.
373
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My son is Rob McElhenney.
374
00:17:04,391 --> 00:17:05,827
And this is his other mom,
375
00:17:05,828 --> 00:17:08,231
my wife, Mary Taylor.
376
00:17:08,232 --> 00:17:09,768
I'm in the same position
as Ollie.
377
00:17:09,769 --> 00:17:13,241
My parents got divorced
when I was eight or nine.
378
00:17:13,242 --> 00:17:17,550
And as an adult, we can both
look back at our parents
379
00:17:17,551 --> 00:17:20,322
and recognize
the amount of courage
380
00:17:20,323 --> 00:17:23,261
that it took for them
to do exactly what they did.
381
00:17:23,262 --> 00:17:26,669
I was afraid
not only for my children
382
00:17:26,670 --> 00:17:28,171
but for myself.
383
00:17:28,172 --> 00:17:29,808
I have so much empathy for her
384
00:17:29,809 --> 00:17:33,315
in that situation because
it was a different time.
385
00:17:33,316 --> 00:17:36,755
And anybody
who's over the age of 35
386
00:17:36,756 --> 00:17:39,126
who's watching this
can understand.
387
00:17:39,127 --> 00:17:40,429
And I think one
of the beautiful things
388
00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:42,801
about our culture right now is,
anybody under the age of 35
389
00:17:42,802 --> 00:17:44,437
might not even know what
the fuck I'm talking about.
390
00:17:44,438 --> 00:17:46,875
I get asked, a lot
391
00:17:46,876 --> 00:17:48,445
about what it was like
to have two moms.
392
00:17:48,446 --> 00:17:50,817
And the truth is, I don't know
anything different.
393
00:17:50,818 --> 00:17:53,288
Um, it was pretty great.
394
00:17:53,289 --> 00:17:56,427
It definitely shaped my view
of... of the world,
395
00:17:56,428 --> 00:17:57,831
my perspective.
396
00:17:57,832 --> 00:18:00,168
We had to recognize
that not every family
397
00:18:00,169 --> 00:18:01,304
looked exactly the same.
398
00:18:01,305 --> 00:18:03,876
And yet we had nothing
but love and support
399
00:18:03,877 --> 00:18:05,445
and compassion and empathy.
400
00:18:05,446 --> 00:18:08,318
I felt like, growing up,
I was the only kid
401
00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,523
in the world with a...
With a gay dad.
402
00:18:10,524 --> 00:18:11,725
I'm open about it now.
- Yeah.
403
00:18:11,726 --> 00:18:12,894
I... I tell people.
404
00:18:12,895 --> 00:18:15,232
I mean, I don't talk about it
405
00:18:15,233 --> 00:18:16,902
like it's a... a big event.
406
00:18:16,903 --> 00:18:20,510
But, you know, if someone says,
um,
407
00:18:20,511 --> 00:18:22,179
is your dad married?
408
00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:24,450
And they say,
is she coming to the game?
409
00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:25,653
I'm like, yeah, he is.
410
00:18:28,225 --> 00:18:29,326
If I could go back,
411
00:18:29,327 --> 00:18:32,199
I would tell me
to not be afraid,
412
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,340
to be strong and know that
because you are who you are
413
00:18:36,341 --> 00:18:39,213
and you have a loving family
that they'll support you.
414
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:46,595
It's been great,
really, and I wish
415
00:18:46,596 --> 00:18:48,398
we probably did do it more.
416
00:18:48,399 --> 00:18:51,739
But again, we're both
really laid-back.
417
00:18:51,740 --> 00:18:54,611
We probably don't speak
about our emotions
418
00:18:54,612 --> 00:18:55,913
as much as what we should.
419
00:18:55,914 --> 00:18:58,418
And that's just who we are.
420
00:18:58,419 --> 00:19:00,288
But as long as my dad
knows that I love him
421
00:19:00,289 --> 00:19:03,361
and I know that he loves me,
then I'm happy.
422
00:19:03,362 --> 00:19:06,401
Love you too.
423
00:19:06,402 --> 00:19:07,771
Don't cry.
424
00:19:10,376 --> 00:19:11,979
No, we're fine.
425
00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:13,682
All good.
- Yeah, we're good.
426
00:19:13,683 --> 00:19:16,387
Love you.
- Yeah.
427
00:19:25,641 --> 00:19:28,244
All right, simple. Good.
428
00:19:28,245 --> 00:19:29,548
Go ahead, have a fucking...
429
00:19:29,549 --> 00:19:31,785
So every football team
is a... is a tapestry
430
00:19:31,786 --> 00:19:33,421
made up of all
the different players,
431
00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:34,825
but they're united
by the same goal,
432
00:19:34,826 --> 00:19:36,427
which is that they want to win.
433
00:19:36,428 --> 00:19:37,664
They want to do well
for this town, this team,
434
00:19:37,665 --> 00:19:40,402
and get out of its league.
435
00:19:40,403 --> 00:19:42,540
Elliot was a... was a player
we'd looked at
436
00:19:42,541 --> 00:19:45,947
and we chased the hardest
because he had a lot of clubs
437
00:19:45,948 --> 00:19:47,416
wanting to sign him.
438
00:19:51,926 --> 00:19:53,796
He's another great character
439
00:19:53,797 --> 00:19:56,802
and a very gifted footballer.
440
00:19:56,803 --> 00:19:59,240
Said to my agent...
When my contract ran out
441
00:19:59,241 --> 00:20:01,244
at my last club, I said,
I want to be part of something.
442
00:20:01,245 --> 00:20:03,414
I want to be part of a project,
something that... that...
443
00:20:03,415 --> 00:20:05,520
That's bigger than myself
and something
444
00:20:05,521 --> 00:20:07,557
that actually
I'm passionate about.
445
00:20:07,558 --> 00:20:10,530
Um, and that's when the phone
call from Wrexham came.
446
00:20:10,531 --> 00:20:12,667
And I was like,
that's... that's sort of fate.
447
00:20:12,668 --> 00:20:15,673
Like, this is probably one of
the best projects in football.
448
00:20:15,674 --> 00:20:17,276
Good boy!
449
00:20:20,517 --> 00:20:21,819
There you go.
450
00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:25,292
- Yeah.
- Is it straight?
451
00:20:25,293 --> 00:20:26,294
- Yeah, that's all right, that.
- There you go.
452
00:20:26,295 --> 00:20:28,866
I was originally born
in Newcastle
453
00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:31,003
'cause obviously,
my dad played football.
454
00:20:31,004 --> 00:20:33,408
So, um, he was playing
for Newcastle then.
455
00:20:33,409 --> 00:20:34,711
My one and only
game against Wrexham
456
00:20:34,712 --> 00:20:36,447
must have been 30 years ago.
457
00:20:36,448 --> 00:20:37,750
And that's the only time I've
ever played at the Racecourse.
458
00:20:37,751 --> 00:20:40,489
But again, had huge support.
459
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:42,494
My dad's had
a really successful career.
460
00:20:42,495 --> 00:20:45,600
He's got 21 caps for
the national team for England.
461
00:20:46,234 --> 00:20:48,606
What a cap signifies
is the number of times
462
00:20:48,607 --> 00:20:50,977
a player appeared for his or her
463
00:20:50,978 --> 00:20:52,614
national football team.
464
00:20:52,615 --> 00:20:54,518
So if you played a match
for England,
465
00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,855
for example,
you receive an honorary cap.
466
00:20:56,856 --> 00:20:58,592
So in the case of Rob Lee,
467
00:20:58,593 --> 00:21:00,730
he's played for England
21 times,
468
00:21:00,731 --> 00:21:03,602
and he has 21 caps.
469
00:21:03,603 --> 00:21:05,338
- Don't drop that.
- It's all right.
470
00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:06,508
- You got 20 more, don't you?
- Yeah, I have.
471
00:21:06,509 --> 00:21:08,344
Yeah, you're right.
Yeah, you're right.
472
00:21:08,345 --> 00:21:09,480
So obviously,
when you're growing up
473
00:21:09,481 --> 00:21:10,850
and you're seeing your dad
do stuff like that,
474
00:21:10,851 --> 00:21:13,321
it's... it's only natural
to think, wow, one day, I...
475
00:21:13,322 --> 00:21:14,591
I want to be doing this
476
00:21:14,592 --> 00:21:16,327
and I want to be playing
in front of these crowds.
477
00:21:16,328 --> 00:21:17,462
To become a footballer,
478
00:21:17,463 --> 00:21:18,632
but I think seeing
your dad do it
479
00:21:18,633 --> 00:21:20,636
and play at the level he has
is...
480
00:21:20,637 --> 00:21:22,874
Was sort of a driving force
in me and my brother.
481
00:21:22,875 --> 00:21:24,611
And we'd get home from school,
straight out in the garden,
482
00:21:24,612 --> 00:21:26,782
me and my brother just
playing football all the time.
483
00:21:26,783 --> 00:21:29,654
I think I'm sometimes known
as the son of Rob Lee.
484
00:21:29,655 --> 00:21:31,525
Yeah, I get a good reception
every time I go back.
485
00:21:31,526 --> 00:21:33,061
Mind you, if you start
playing badly,
486
00:21:33,062 --> 00:21:34,898
I... I probably won't, but...
487
00:21:34,899 --> 00:21:36,869
Neither will I.
488
00:21:42,681 --> 00:21:44,918
Maybe taking Wrexham
to the Premier League.
489
00:21:46,656 --> 00:21:49,093
Me and Ollie Palmer
went for a... for a drink
490
00:21:49,094 --> 00:21:50,563
a few weekends ago.
491
00:21:50,564 --> 00:21:53,569
And I don't think
we paid for one drink, so...
492
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:55,038
I haven't paid for one
for 20 years.
493
00:21:59,447 --> 00:22:00,683
Everything I do is for my kids.
494
00:22:00,684 --> 00:22:02,687
They're... they're
my absolute world.
495
00:22:02,688 --> 00:22:06,528
And I... I feel so lucky
every day to... to have them.
496
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:07,664
He is always...
497
00:22:07,665 --> 00:22:09,433
He's just always with the kids,
498
00:22:09,434 --> 00:22:10,770
just always
playing with the kids.
499
00:22:10,771 --> 00:22:13,709
- Whoop!
- Good boy.
500
00:22:13,710 --> 00:22:15,947
Doing everything he can
to get out of laundry
501
00:22:15,948 --> 00:22:17,951
or cooking a meal.
502
00:22:17,952 --> 00:22:20,422
Whoa-ho-ho!
503
00:22:22,761 --> 00:22:26,000
Um... I don't know
why I'm crying.
504
00:22:26,001 --> 00:22:28,939
He's just really,
really caring, um,
505
00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:31,845
does everything for the kids
506
00:22:31,846 --> 00:22:33,616
and for me and just for us.
507
00:22:33,617 --> 00:22:36,487
Everything he does is for us.
508
00:22:36,488 --> 00:22:39,426
Snuggies!
509
00:22:50,182 --> 00:22:51,685
And now I've been
dragged into it.
510
00:22:56,596 --> 00:22:58,097
Just want to be
a fun dad that my kids
511
00:22:58,098 --> 00:22:59,567
can look back on memories
512
00:22:59,568 --> 00:23:02,439
and just be there
and be present and...
513
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,011
And them just know
that I was always around.
514
00:23:05,012 --> 00:23:06,782
Bye, Daddy.
515
00:23:06,783 --> 00:23:08,017
Bye, mate.
516
00:23:08,018 --> 00:23:09,053
Love ya.
517
00:23:20,075 --> 00:23:21,177
Ooh, a shark's come
to say hello.
518
00:23:21,178 --> 00:23:22,613
Mummy's waving.
519
00:23:22,614 --> 00:23:24,751
Here, Vinny,
come see Mummy and Daddy.
520
00:23:24,752 --> 00:23:28,892
I have a policy with
my children, and it's honesty.
521
00:23:28,893 --> 00:23:30,796
I think, growing up,
I was a little bit scared
522
00:23:30,797 --> 00:23:32,199
to go to my parents to say
523
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,769
if I'd done something wrong.
524
00:23:33,770 --> 00:23:35,171
That's probably because
I'd done a lot wrong.
525
00:23:35,172 --> 00:23:37,610
So I wouldn't tell them
the truth,
526
00:23:37,611 --> 00:23:39,681
and... and problems
wouldn't get resolved.
527
00:23:39,682 --> 00:23:42,520
That is a queen
triggerfish in the wild.
528
00:23:42,521 --> 00:23:43,922
They don't really like divers,
529
00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:47,162
but Freddie's quite used
to us now.
530
00:23:47,163 --> 00:23:48,666
Probably very similar to my dad
531
00:23:48,667 --> 00:23:50,770
in ways that I probably
don't want
532
00:23:50,771 --> 00:23:52,907
to be because I want
to be able to come out
533
00:23:52,908 --> 00:23:54,944
and talk about things.
534
00:23:54,945 --> 00:23:58,619
Filming with you lot has been
like therapy at times.
535
00:24:00,189 --> 00:24:02,694
Chatting with my dad,
never done that,
536
00:24:02,695 --> 00:24:04,898
never spoke about things
growing up.
537
00:24:04,899 --> 00:24:08,037
Same with my mum.
538
00:24:08,038 --> 00:24:09,507
It's been great.
539
00:24:09,508 --> 00:24:12,513
It's been great to open up.
540
00:24:12,514 --> 00:24:14,684
It's been great
to hear them say that
541
00:24:14,685 --> 00:24:18,057
they might have
done things differently.
542
00:24:18,058 --> 00:24:22,900
But for me, what's done is done.
543
00:24:22,901 --> 00:24:24,971
You know, you can't rewind.
544
00:24:24,972 --> 00:24:26,842
That's what I say about life.
545
00:24:26,843 --> 00:24:29,046
The most precious, expensive
thing that we all have
546
00:24:29,047 --> 00:24:32,085
is time, and...
547
00:24:32,086 --> 00:24:33,789
it's how you spend it.
548
00:24:42,106 --> 00:24:43,575
My date tonight.
This is my mom.
549
00:24:43,576 --> 00:24:45,011
Aw, that's perfect.
550
00:25:29,748 --> 00:25:31,748
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