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This programme contains scenes which
some viewers may find upsetting
and deals with suicide.
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CHATTER
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It's 5am, and I've joined a large
crowd at Belfast's Ormeau Park
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for the Darkness Into Light event,
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a charity walk for those impacted
by suicide and self-harm.
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People go through dark times.
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We all go through dark times.
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But this is the symbolism of
Darkness Into Light -
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the darkness does pass.
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Somebody wrote on one of the
banners, "Hope - it means hold on.
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"Pain ends."
That's something to remember.
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You've got to hold on.
It will pass. The pain will end.
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15 years ago, my brother Richard
died by suicide.
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It had a devastating impact
on me and my family
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and isn't something I've discussed
publicly in great detail, until now.
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I think suicidal death
is one of the worst deaths,
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because it's the unknown
and the why.
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I can see family members here,
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I can see people here who have been
on the road of darkness
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and they've come out the other side.
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It's a great thing, a yearly thing,
but it's great for raising awareness
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and letting people know it's OK,
you can talk.
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You know, you don't have
to put this all onto yourself.
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In this documentary, I'm going
to tell my brother's story,
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to share my experiences with others
who've been affected
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and explore what's being done
to prevent suicide
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here in Northern Ireland.
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MUSIC: No More Heroes
by The Stranglers
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# Whatever happened
to Leon Trotsky? #
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These are actually
Richard's old records,
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all boxed away for many years.
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I have not seen these
since I was a child.
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It's unbelievable how a record
can just transport you back in time,
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that kind of memory of a point
in time in your childhood.
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He was a huge kind of
Sex Pistols, Stiff Little Fingers,
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The Clash, The Stranglers -
loved his punk, absolutely.
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And, you know, I was sort of
six, seven, eight,
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being bombarded with this music...
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LAUGHS
..all day, every day, basically!
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You know, I'd be banging the wall,
going, "Turn it down!"
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There are a number of reasons that
I wanted to make this documentary.
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I think the first one is the fact
that male suicide
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is still so prevalent,
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the biggest killer of men
under the age of 50.
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And when you think about that,
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you know, when you think of all the
other diseases there are out there -
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you know, heart attack,
stroke, cancer -
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but people taking their own lives
is the biggest killer,
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and, you know, is there some way
to examine that?
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And I've always sort of felt that if
you could just get people to pause
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just for a second, an hour a week,
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just to think about some alternative
to suicide.
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MUSIC: Alternative Ulster
by Stiff Little Fingers
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Another big reason
for making the documentary
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is about my nephew,
Richard's son Finn.
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So, he was five when Richard died
and he doesn't really remember him.
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And, I mean, we all remember him
as a child, that nought-to-five,
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and how close Richard
and Finn's relationship was
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and how much he adored him.
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And it's so sad to hear Finn say
that he doesn't remember his dad.
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He's just got the odd little
kind of snapshot.
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He's now almost 20,
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so I think it's nice to have
a real sense of the person
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that his dad was.
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MUSIC GETS LOUDER
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Turn it up, then?
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SHE LAUGHS
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I can just see him dancing to it!
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That's so funny.
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Definitely transports you back.
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# They just want money
We can take or leave it
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# What we need
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# Is an alternative Ulster. #
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Alfie McCrory is a Belfast
community worker
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who I've known
for more than 15 years.
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Not long after my brother died,
Alfie also lost his son, Alfred.
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When I got that phone call that day,
my whole life just caved in.
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He comes to this bench to remember
him and his other young son,
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who died shortly after childbirth.
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The day before Alfred died,
I was driving up the Shankill
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and he came out of one of
the local clubs...
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And he waved at me and says,
"Hiya, Dad. See you later."
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And that was OK and I didn't think
anything of it,
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didn't see any signs,
and then I got a phone call...
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I was over in
the Ballymac Youth Club,
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in the Lower Newtownards Road,
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and I got a phone call to say,
"You need to get to Alfred's house.
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"The police is at it.
Something's happening."
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And I knew right away.
I knew... I had a gut feeling
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something was wrong.
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And people say, don't they -
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and you'll have heard this
many times -
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people who are in a dark place say,
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"Oh, they'd be better off
without me."
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You know, "The family would be
better off without me.
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"I'm a burden."
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I mean, it's the thing that is
the biggest lie in all of this,
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isn't it, the impact that it has?
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Well, to me, it's a myth,
because...if Alfred had
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or is looking down on us and seen
the love that was there for him,
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and if he had took a step back,
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or had he went out
and went down the road to his mates
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or went somewhere else
and stood back for five minutes,
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he probably would have
still been here today
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because...I keep wondering...
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He would have been 42 now,
and I keep wondering
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what he would've been like,
how many kids he would've had
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and what kind of person
he would have turned into.
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But when that happens...
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And I do appreciate people
who get into the dark age and say,
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"Oh, my family will be better off
without me,
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"I'm a burden to them and all."
But that's... that's not true.
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Yet, tragically,
just a few months ago,
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Alfie also lost his
13-year-old granddaughter.
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In the two or three weeks
after I lost my granddaughter,
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I was getting phone calls
from other families,
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worried about their teenage kids,
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boys and girls around the same age
as my granddaughter.
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And I was inundated
with phone calls
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and people stopping me,
even walking down the road -
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"Can I see you a wee minute?
Can you give me advice?
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"What's the best thing to do?"
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Nobody thinks that
it'll come to their door.
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And the biggest thing
that sticks in my mind,
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14 years on and even 12 weeks on,
is the word, "Why?"
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It's not how they done it
or where they done it,
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it's why they done it.
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That's a question I've asked myself
over the past 15 years, too -
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a question I'll never be able
to answer.
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Richard was my big brother,
four years older than me.
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We grew up with a shared love
of the news, and it's no surprise
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we both ended up working
in the media.
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At the time of his death, he was
an award-winning war photographer
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working for The Times in London.
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Some of the most startling images
over the last 12 months
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were mock-ups, video grabs,
pictures taken by soldiers
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and people pretending
to be soldiers.
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There have been many unforgettable
pictures which have adorned
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our newspapers in 2004.
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But equally, there are many whose
content we would like to forget.
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He was always striving
for the ultimate picture.
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This one...of the little girl,
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and there's a bullet hole
in the glass
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and her eye's up against the hole
where the shattered glass
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has gone through.
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And there's one just straight
afterwards of a little boy.
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It wasn't just about the picture,
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it was about the relationship with
the person he was photographing.
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And he was very good at that.
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He had the charm and the wit
and put people at their ease
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and would get great stories
that way as well.
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So he was a proper photojournalist
in that sense.
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This photo of a young girl
in Zimbabwe had a major impact
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when it was published.
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Over the years, it's had
a lasting impression on me, too.
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This girl had a very unusual
skin cancer condition,
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but she was very poor.
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There was no medical assistance
available in Zimbabwe
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for her community.
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And they took this picture.
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It went on the front page
of The Times,
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but there was something about her
and that story
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that definitely affected him.
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Richard was working in Zimbabwe
when he died,
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the remote location adding
to the confusion and shock
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at the time of his death,
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so it's a country
that's always been on my mind.
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I suppose I'm just interested
to know what it was about Zimbabwe
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that affected him so deeply.
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I suppose there's maybe always
been a sense of restlessness in me
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that...I don't really know
what that place is like.
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It's not somewhere
I've ever visited.
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And there are still people there
that knew him and worked with him.
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So, I just would love
to have a better understanding
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of what that was like for him.
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When Richard died back in 2008,
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it wasn't just his death
but the manner of his death
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that impacted our family -
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attitudes then very different
to now.
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Draperstown was once known as
the suicide capital of Mid Ulster -
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that is, until a community group
of dedicated volunteers
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decided to do something about it.
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And why was it important for you
to get involved, Margaret?
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It was important because
I lost a son to suicide.
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And...
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..I suppose if there would
have been more help, that's...
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..23 come, 23 years come.
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There was no help at all.
That wasn't even talked about.
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So...
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And got to meet
a lot of people
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that were in the same boat
as ourselves, so...
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So, I've lost a cousin
on both sides.
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So, Aidan was 23
and Ronan was almost 28.
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And the only thing that changed...
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Ronan died in 2000,
Aidan died in 2008,
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and the only thing
that changed in that time
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was that people had stopped
being as shocked.
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So no help, no support, but people
weren't as shocked any more,
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people were nearly numb to it.
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And then, like, without it...
STEPS started in 2012,
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and if it hadn't got started -
and I can categorically say it -
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my daughter tried to take
her own life
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and she wouldn't be here.
She would not be here,
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only that I knew the experience
and I knew who to turn to
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and I knew that she had
to be watched.
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And she's now mother
to three children.
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And what age was she, whenever
that happened? She was 19. Yeah.
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In some ways, maybe,
people living in a city think
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that you know everybody
in a rural community,
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nobody locks their door
and everybody can just pop in. Yes.
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And, again, that's
the picture perfect.
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But what goes with that is
everybody can know your business.
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SHE LAUGHS
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So there is pros for it, in that
everybody can feel connected,
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but if you're quite
a private person,
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it can feel quite suffocating.
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Realising that life is worth living.
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That's really for children
and for schools
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and for parents, for everybody,
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to realise that...talking about it
doesn't make suicide happen.
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It's the complete opposite.
By talking about how you get help
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before you reach the point where
you think you've got nobody left
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that can help you, that's where
all the vital work comes.
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We've had over 25,000 people
through our classes.
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Our counselling service set up
in December 2016
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because our local GP, the waiting
list was one to two years.
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And initially, we just took
their waiting list,
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and once we had it
at a manageable level,
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then we discovered that, actually,
younger people was a huge issue.
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And we've now to date seen
over 620 people
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from 48 different towns
and villages.
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We counsel the five days week
and the five evenings a week
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and we still have a waiting list.
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What astonishes me is
the huge number of people
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that have used the counselling
service, so the demand is there,
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but you've done that yourselves,
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just through raising money
in the local community.
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You haven't had any government
support up to this point. No.
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Well, people have fundraised for us,
and that's what keeps us going.
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I feel Draperstown now own STEPS.
241
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Like, STEPS, the community
actually took ownership of it,
242
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and that's what makes it
so successful -
243
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because it matters to everybody.
244
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STEPS has transformed
local attitudes
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to suicide and mental health,
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when 15 years ago, it was barely
even talked about.
247
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I can relate to that. It's difficult
for families to deal with the shock,
248
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let alone the grief.
249
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I love coming up in here,
just to see them all. Mmm.
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The focus there,
or the...focus about here,
251
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and then just concentrating on that.
Warrior ethos. Incredible.
252
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I know, it's funny
cos the 20 years...
253
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It's the 20th anniversary now
of Iraq.
254
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Yeah. That was really the first
big gig he did, wasn't it, really?
255
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I don't know why that one
always kind of strikes me.
256
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Which one's that?
257
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Oh, yeah. Oh, it's
a very memorable photograph,
258
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but it's really unusual as well.
259
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Well, you notice, he was always
focusing on the eyes.
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Yeah, definitely. ..and that one
there is a big example of it. Yeah.
261
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And they say the eye
is the mirror of the soul. Yeah.
262
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So he was looking
right inside people.
263
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This, I think, is the main problem
Richard had.
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He had witnessed so much of
man's inhumanity to man,
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whether it was natural disasters
like the Pakistani earthquake
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or Mugabe in Zimbabwe
or the carry-on in the Middle East,
267
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in Afghanistan and what have you.
268
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I mean, he saw the worst
of human nature.
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I'm quite convinced
he was suffering from PTSD.
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Without a shadow of a doubt. Cos
I don't think anybody... Absolutely.
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..was aware of that.
There's two things you ask yourself.
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One is, "Why?"
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Why did this happen?
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Why did he do this?
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And the second is...
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.."What if?"
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It's 15 years, nearly,
since Richard took his own life.
278
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And in that time,
I still haven't got over the shock.
279
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Does it still kind of catch you
that, you know,
280
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that he died through suicide,
by suicide?
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Do you still have days? Oh, yes.
Because it does me.
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I definitely go and can't - still
can't - quite believe it. Yeah.
283
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Things that you remember
and you recall
284
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and you hold on to them
because those are dear,
285
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those are happy moments.
286
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You know, there are sad moments
as well
287
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that you regret.
288
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But you try to forget about them.
289
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You know, the "What if?" and the
"Why" are the two kind of questions.
290
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And I suppose that's the same
for anybody
291
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who's lost a family member
through suicide.
292
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I just wonder, you know, do you ever
talk to anybody about that?
293
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Or how have you kind of got through
the last 15 years?
294
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Cos it doesn't seem
that we talk about it that much.
295
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We talk about HIM a lot,
296
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but we don't talk about
the circumstances very much.
297
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No, well, I mean, I...
298
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If somebody wants to talk to me,
they can talk to me.
299
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I haven't been known to be short
of conversation,
300
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but I leave people to get on with it
and to do their own thing.
301
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You know, you watch and you see
and everybody seems to manage.
302
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You all seem to be extremely stable
and well-adjusted.
303
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Finn's the one I worry about,
because the trauma that he had
304
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as a very young boy...
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HE CLEARS THROAT
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Pardon me.
307
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I had to tell him, I was the one
who told him about his father dying.
308
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I mean, I still worry and I worry
about him over now and still,
309
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because, then, eight years later,
310
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his mum dies from cancer
of the pancreas.
311
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You know, what has the boy got?
312
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These are traumas that are
very, very difficult to handle.
313
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That's the really difficult thing,
isn't it,
314
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to try to kind of steer somebody
who's been through all that trauma?
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But even the little girl
in the white dress,
316
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you know, in the midst
of the conflict and the war,
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and that little moment...
I was about to say that, you know,
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it's bound to have affected him.
319
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But he never said...
He never complained.
320
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He never said anything.
321
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And that's the "What if?" What if
he had have said, you know? I know.
322
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Just a pity, a life cut off
so short... Yeah.
323
00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,680
..what he could have done,
what he could have been.
324
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Again, what if?
Yeah.
325
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Something to be proud of.
326
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I'm proud of it.
Yeah. Me too.
327
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So do you think you've got
everything you need?
328
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Or have you got a few bits and
pieces that you'll need to get?
329
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For...Zimbabwe? Yeah.
330
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Despite everything Finn has had to
deal with, he's well-grounded.
331
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And in many ways, my nephew is just
an average 20-year-old.
332
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INDISTINCT CONVERSATION
333
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And do you look at his photos much?
334
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Of course. Erm...
335
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I obviously go to the gallery
quite a lot
336
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and I see the photos there,
and I like...
337
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Sometimes when my friends come over,
I like to show them that,
338
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cos even though it's not
my own work, I'm proud of it, even -
339
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going, "That's my dad's work."
340
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And everyone's, like, always
the same thing - like, "Wow!"
341
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"It's amazing." And...
342
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,040
And it's kind of shocking
to be like, "Wow, that's amazing!"
343
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when you're seeing photos
of pain and death
344
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and just...nothing really nice,
345
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,000
but it's still really powerful,
you know,
346
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and you can understand how great
those images are.
347
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Yeah, cos I always remember,
particularly after he died,
348
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there were a lot of people
from those countries,
349
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,960
fixers and people
who'd been drivers
350
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,560
and, you know, you go on
those assignments and people...
351
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You get to know people
352
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and you build up really big
relationships with them,
353
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,160
cos it's quite
an intense experience.
354
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,680
And getting so many letters.
355
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,160
You know, Grandma and Grandad
got so many letters from people
356
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,960
just saying how much fun he was
and how...
357
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,960
And is that...?
What's that like for you,
358
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,280
when you hear people talk about him
like that?
359
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,880
I mean, it's nice to know
that he had an effect on people.
360
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,360
It's a bit...
361
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,680
..bad, though, that I didn't get to
see what that was like, you know?
362
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,120
Cos I missed out
on having my dad there,
363
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:09,120
and everyone that knows about him
and has told me about him,
364
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:11,040
there's loads of stories -
I mean, countless,
365
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,960
and they're all funny ones,
366
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,000
or "He did this, he did that" -
and I'm thinking, like,
367
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,800
"I missed out on that."
368
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,240
And...so it's nice to know
that they do all have these things,
369
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,080
but it's a little bit...
370
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,480
..thinking about it more as, like,
"Well, I could have had that too,
371
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,360
"but I don't have any stories
like that that I could tell."
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00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,160
I wish I could.
373
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,040
And is that annoying sometimes?
374
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,840
Do you want people not to tell...?
You know, do you sort of think,
375
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,520
you know, "Stop telling me
those stories"?
376
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,120
Cos I think probably from
even a family point of view,
377
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,480
you tend to talk about people
who are no longer with us
378
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,800
because you want to keep their
memory alive... Of course.
..but then you don't have that.
379
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,720
We probably got more of that,
or we obviously got more of that,
380
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,280
than you did. Well...
381
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,080
It's more that...
382
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,840
I'd like to contribute sometimes,
and I can't.
383
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,480
You know? And the stories I do have
are the same ones,
384
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,840
and it's just like recycling them
over and over.
385
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,400
It's like... I don't know.
386
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,520
And it's nice to hear the stories,
387
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,040
cos it gives me more of an insight
to the man who my father was.
388
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,080
But...
389
00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,640
..it is upsetting that I can't
contribute to those conversations
390
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,840
and give my own stories.
391
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,840
For his own reasons, Finn is making
the trip with me to Zimbabwe.
392
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,280
Is there anything about the trip
that you're worried about
393
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,400
or feel a bit apprehensive about?
394
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,200
I'm... I'm really curious.
395
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,240
I hope I can, in some way,
find a connection
396
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,240
and get a better understanding
of him,
397
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,640
just so I can feel a bit more closer
to him.
398
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,960
It'd be nice cos, I mean,
it's been a long time, like, so...
399
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,000
And it's not been easy
over those times,
400
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,760
but I'd like to know more of
who he was and see what he saw.
401
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,840
PHONE RINGS
402
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,920
CCIS. Tom speaking.
403
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,080
Yeah. How are you
getting on tonight?
404
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,920
OK.
405
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,680
Is there anything in particular
going on that's making you
feel like that, or...?
406
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,720
Outside of Belfast, the north-west
has one of the highest suicide rates
407
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,680
in Northern Ireland.
408
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,000
The city's Community Crisis
Intervention Service
409
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,040
is literally a lifeline for people
in distress,
410
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,200
dealing with almost 1,700 cases
a year.
411
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,800
Sometimes when people
are in that moment of suicide,
412
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,120
they can't remember about
their relatives, their friends,
413
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:55,480
everybody that cares about them.
They can't see the bigger picture.
414
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,000
And that's very important in that
initial moment, to make that link.
415
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880
What sort of age ranges
have you seen?
416
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,600
SIGHS
417
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,600
It just depends.
418
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,080
In different areas,
it just...
419
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,800
There's just pockets
of different things.
420
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,840
So, children to pensioners -
is that what you're saying? Yeah.
421
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,520
PHONE RINGS
422
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,280
CCIS. Tom speaking.
423
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,000
Hey. How's it going?
424
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,720
Do you think... Is that the most
important thing - to listen?
425
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:25,960
100%, yeah.
426
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,560
But it's all about, you know,
taking people
427
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,680
one individual at a time
and trying to do your best
428
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,800
to let them see that
there's more to life
429
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,840
than the things that are
holding them back.
430
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,400
And what's your plan
for this evening?
431
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,520
You have one?
432
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,120
There's all different techniques
for them to know
433
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,640
that you're listening to them,
434
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,000
but I think sometimes the biggest
thing is just having somebody
435
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760
at the end of the phone
to hear their story.
436
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,440
It can be tricky. It just depends,
cos you're kind of risk assessing
437
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,640
while they're on the phone.
438
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,760
Yeah.
439
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:05,920
Are you working tomorrow?
440
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,200
No? OK.
441
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,280
It's about distraction as well.
442
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,280
They just need distracted
for 15, 20 minutes
443
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,960
from what's going on
in their own mind.
444
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,200
And sometimes that distraction
can be all that they need to do
445
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,600
to make them feel a wee bit better.
446
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,920
And if you want to maybe give us
a wee ring back, you know,
447
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,160
we're here to 12.
448
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,280
OK. You know how to ring us,
449
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,840
and if you want to give us
a ring back, we'll be here.
450
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880
I'm here all weekend, OK?
451
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,080
All right. Take care of yourself
and maybe talk to you later. Bye.
452
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,400
That was remarkable, really, Tom,
453
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,640
to kind of listen in to that side
of the conversation.
454
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,920
Your voice was very low.
It was very calm.
455
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,640
You said very little,
but you were quite specific about
456
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,120
just trying to keep the person
focused on something and...
457
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,960
Everybody's different.
458
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,120
And...you tend to find a pace
with them.
459
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:23,640
That's it.
460
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,280
You know, if somebody's got a lot
going on or is saying a lot,
461
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,640
you just have to listen and
make sure that, you know,
462
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,280
when they do maybe take a break,
463
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,760
that you have got
all the sort of main points,
464
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,640
maybe recite them back to them
465
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,120
to make sure that
you're on the same page... Mm-hm.
466
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,960
..and what it is that you think
they're looking for from the call,
467
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,880
or what do you think
that they maybe need to do?
468
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,400
The thing that struck me most,
though, was that you were listening.
469
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,800
It's the nature of the role,
to listen.
470
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,360
It's the most important thing
you can do.
471
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,600
And it can be life-saving.
472
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800
Yeah, 100%.
473
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,640
It is life-saving.
It's been proven to do it.
474
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,400
You know, we know for a fact
the amount of people that,
475
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,440
you know, we've supported
throughout the years,
476
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,560
other organisations
throughout this region,
477
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,440
and it... it is life-saving.
That's a fact.
478
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,720
Leave them going off the call
479
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,520
feeling as if they got
what they wanted,
480
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,440
they got to help or the support
that they needed
481
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,800
that they maybe weren't going to get
anywhere else.
482
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,920
And also that if they do
need to phone back,
483
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,240
that you can take another call.
Yeah.
484
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,640
Yeah.
485
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,000
And, Sarah, is that import...
486
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,000
PHONE RINGS
487
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,280
CCIS. Tom speaking.
488
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,400
I think I found it
pretty intense, actually,
489
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,400
watching and hearing
how they handled the calls
490
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:59,480
and how quiet and calm and gentle
they were with people who phoned in
491
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,640
and just how good they are
at what they do.
492
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,120
And I just wonder, for all
those people that were in crisis,
493
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,520
the people that phone in to this
nondescript building in Derry,
494
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,800
what would happen if there
weren't people here listening?
495
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,320
Richard was lucky to work alongside
some of the best
496
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,840
and most respected
foreign reporters.
497
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,320
I've kept in touch with some of them
over the years,
498
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,400
but I've never sat down with them
to discuss Richard's death
499
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,440
and how it impacted them.
500
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,520
Tara! Hello! How are you?
501
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,560
Great to see you.
So good to see you. Come in.
502
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:47,840
Thanks a million.
503
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:58,320
This was... Oh, gosh! ..in 2007,
and we had gone out to Zimbabwe.
504
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,200
It was in a terrible, terrible
economic mess.
505
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,800
He was fantastic to work with.
506
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,040
First of all, he was
a great photographer.
507
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:14,120
Secondly, he had this extraordinary
ability to connect with people,
508
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,520
with whoever he was photographing,
which was really useful for me
509
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,360
because he had this ability
to put people at ease.
510
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,760
We were in Somalia, which was
a pretty dicey place to be.
511
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,960
The Islamic Courts
had just taken over,
512
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,480
and they have this militant wing
called the Shabab
513
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,840
who are real fundamentalists.
514
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,840
And we went out to one of
their training camps -
515
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,200
I mean, now, you wouldn't dare
do this because, you know,
516
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,360
they're a bit like Isis,
517
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,200
they would as soon cut your head off
as look at you -
518
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,680
and we end up playing
a football game against them,
519
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Richard's instigation.
520
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,920
That's what he did. He just made
friends with people, disarmed them.
521
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,800
I was just thinking that
522
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:03,600
one of his better known photos
is of that young al-Shabab soldier
523
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,680
staring down the barrel of a gun.
524
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,880
Do you know the one I mean?
Yeah, yeah, I know exactly.
525
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,200
And that was a classic Richard.
526
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,160
You know, to be able to connect
in the way he did
527
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,600
with a young militant
Islamist fundamentalist soldier
528
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,360
and get him to pose like that,
it was extraordinary.
529
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,240
You don't think when you see
the photo of what went into it.
530
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Really, he had to win his confidence
and his cooperation.
531
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,040
Yeah, trust...
It was a great talent.
532
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,000
One other thing, though, is he did
get very close to the people
533
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,040
we were photographing,
people we were writing about.
534
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,480
You know, I think he felt
their pain.
535
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,440
And clearly, in the case of
Sarudzai Gumbo, he felt their pain.
536
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,920
Sarudzai, the young girl in Zimbabwe
in that photo.
537
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,400
Over the years, I've longed
to know more about her.
538
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Took the hat off, and we saw this,
which was a six-year-old girl
539
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320
with lesions all over her head.
540
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,880
I mean, she was in a terrible way.
She could barely open her eyes.
541
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,200
And her name was Sarudzai Gumbo.
542
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Both parents were HIV-positive.
543
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,360
Sarudzai was HIV-positive.
544
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,120
They had no money for medicine,
barely any money for food,
545
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,360
and she was clearly dying.
546
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,640
So we ran this story -
547
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,440
"Portrait of Zimbabwe",
the face of Mugabe's Zimbabwe -
548
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,360
and it had a huge impact back here.
549
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000
The paper's readers were so shocked
by the image,
550
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,640
they sent in money
to help with her care.
551
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,840
We went back that December,
so nine months later,
552
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,120
and we found Sarudzai...
553
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,520
In fact, I can show you.
554
00:31:54,520 --> 00:32:00,800
We found her in a hospital
which had been abandoned...
555
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,320
..by her doctors,
by the doctors and nurses,
556
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,760
because they weren't being paid.
557
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,120
We found her sitting in this
side room, forgotten, neglected.
558
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,160
She hadn't been washed.
559
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,200
She was in an even worse state
than before.
560
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280
No-one was looking after her.
561
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,280
And Richard brought her these,
if you can see, two teddy bears,
562
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,560
which she just embraced.
563
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,560
And we literally picked her up
and walked her out of the hospital.
564
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,040
And no-one stopped us.
There was no-one there to stop us.
565
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,080
And we managed to get her admitted
to a private clinic.
566
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,120
And that's where we left her.
567
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,440
She was cleaned up.
She was getting fed properly.
568
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
She was being looked after
and loved.
569
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,640
But it was too late. She...
570
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,800
She died a few days later.
571
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,320
Such a waste!
She didn't have to die.
572
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,000
You know, I still feel bad
that we were unable to save her.
573
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,120
You can't just walk away
from something like that.
574
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,840
And that was what Richard
was so good at.
575
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960
You know, he never...
He never forgot these people.
576
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,280
He... He would stay in touch.
577
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,040
He cared about them -
you could argue too much.
578
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,280
Quite hard for you, doing this,
is it?
579
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,600
Yeah, no, it's funny,
cos I sort of have a sense of...
580
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,160
I think it's just because I've just
turned my head into work mode,
581
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,560
so I've gone into work mode -
cos I felt that last week as well.
582
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,160
So... Maybe you're doing
what Richard did.
583
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,560
LAUGHS
584
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,560
I know!
585
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680
You're treating it
objectively... Yeah.
586
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,600
..in a way that
he rarely could. Yeah.
587
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,720
I mean, I was... I was telling
a friend for the first time
588
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,040
about the documentary yesterday
who was very close to Richard,
589
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,000
and she immediately welled up
and started to cry.
590
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,280
And I was telling her in such
a kind of matter of fact way,
591
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,720
I thought, "Gosh!" I've obviously
thought about this so much
592
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,840
and, you know, considered the film
and all that goes along with it,
593
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,360
but I think, you know, you can
forget that the ripple effect
594
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,960
of what happened and so many people,
cos I'm sure there are days
595
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,280
that it still catches you
and you think about it.
596
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Well, it's the thing about suicide,
isn't it? You always feel guilty.
597
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,120
You know, the people
you leave behind feel guilty.
598
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,480
You feel you should have spotted it,
you should have known.
599
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,760
But you can't. Yeah.
600
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,960
And, you know, we're no different
than anybody else
601
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,440
who's lost someone through suicide.
602
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,240
But as I say, you sort of almost
have to not go down that avenue
603
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,000
because you would drive yourself...
I know. ..insane,
604
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,320
and the what-ifs and the whys
and the...
605
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,080
It's... You know, you have to
kind of not think along those lines.
606
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,240
I think finding out a little bit
more about the assignments
607
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,720
and the stories and the connection
that Richard had with Zimbabwe,
608
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,160
and obviously the impact that
particularly that little girl had
609
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,840
on both him and Martin,
610
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,320
it kind of makes me want
to explore a little bit more.
611
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Zimbabwe for me has only
ever meant one thing.
612
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,040
Every time I hear it mentioned,
every time I read it in a newspaper,
613
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,880
I can only think of
my brother dying there.
614
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,280
So I'm hoping the trip
will change that,
615
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,640
but I'm naturally anxious about
the impact on me and on Finn.
616
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,800
It has not been a decision that
we've reached easily or lightly.
617
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,520
I've thought long and hard
over many months
618
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520
about whether it's a good idea.
619
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,800
And I think maybe even
two years ago,
620
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,400
when he was 18 and
just finishing school
621
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,320
and finishing his A-levels, that
wouldn't have been the right time.
622
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,400
But I think he's had
a little bit more time
623
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,480
and a little less pressure
from education, if you like, on him
624
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,600
that he's started to think
a little bit more about his dad
625
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,720
and what he did, what his job was,
the places that he travelled,
626
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,760
and he hasn't really travelled that
much in the last number of years
627
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,120
since his mum died...
628
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,960
..so I think that's quite
a good opportunity
629
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,520
to share that experience with him,
630
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,000
so I feel really lucky
and privileged in that way.
631
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,280
ARCHIVE: In what was once one of
the richest countries in Africa,
632
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,040
people are dying for want of food,
medicine, water, everything.
633
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,800
And if they complain,
they're beaten.
634
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,120
In 2000, President Mugabe's regime
had implemented
635
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,960
a brutal land reform policy.
636
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,120
Marred by violence, it forced many
to leave the country.
637
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,360
By 2008, 80% of the population
was unemployed,
638
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,640
starvation was widespread,
the economy was in ruins.
639
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,800
Inflation was at
a staggering 100,000%.
640
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600
It's little wonder Richard
visited here many times
641
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,320
to report on a country in turmoil.
642
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Things have improved since 2008,
but not by much.
643
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,840
It's an election year,
so tensions are running high.
644
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,280
Foreign journalists are unwelcome,
so we have travelled as tourists.
645
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,160
On his very last assignment,
Richard spent time with Ben Freeth,
646
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,400
a high-profile critic of Mugabe
647
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,640
and a target for harassment
and abduction.
648
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,440
There's no farmers able to farm,
and we've got total anarchy,
649
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,760
we've got lawlessness.
650
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Our farm workers get beaten,
some of them with fractured skulls,
651
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,360
some of them with broken feet.
652
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,360
Hello there!
Hello, Tara.
653
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,240
Oh, so nice to meet you.
We've heard so much about you. Finn.
654
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,840
Yeah. Yeah.
This is Richard's son, Finn.
655
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,720
Hiya. Nice to meet you.
Finn, lovely to meet you.
656
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,320
I've never met Ben before,
657
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,520
and he was one of the last people
to see Richard alive.
658
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,400
We had total chaos in the land.
659
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:49,600
You know, we had people just getting
beaten up, homes being invaded.
660
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,400
You know, we couldn't defend
ourselves in any way.
661
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,040
The police weren't able
to defend us.
662
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,360
And in fact, they were
orchestrating it all.
663
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,920
And then we got abducted
and tortured.
664
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,440
And it was... It was
a really tough time.
665
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,120
And your brother stayed with us
a little bit,
666
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,560
and then he went and stayed
with some friends of mine
667
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,320
cos we didn't want him to be
staying too long at each place,
668
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,720
because otherwise the secret police
would have caught up with him.
669
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000
He came to us on a Sunday...
670
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,720
..and my wife, Laura, cooked a roast
chicken and we had a Sunday roast,
671
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,640
with roast potatoes and
all the trimmings and everything,
672
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,280
and we had a great conversation.
673
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,520
And then I can remember
sitting outside on the veranda
674
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,120
and then, you know, our kids
were mad keen on rugby and stuff
675
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,640
and he was teaching them
how to play rugby.
676
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,840
And he was...you know, playing
and I was watching -
677
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,240
you know, cos I'd been
really badly beaten up
678
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,800
a couple of weeks before.
679
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,600
And so I had a bandage
and I had a fractured skull
680
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,680
and things like that,
and I was longing to join in...
681
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,920
THEY LAUGH
682
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,640
..but I knew that I wasn't
in a fit state to do so.
683
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,760
But, yeah, your dad was out there
and just having such fun, you know?
684
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,320
And yesterday, I spoke to
Lena Creamer,
685
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,640
who he was staying with
the night before, and...
686
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,800
And he had written in
the visitor's book that morning.
687
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,760
I just got...
She sent a photograph of it.
688
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,800
Erm...
689
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,960
I'm myself getting quite emotional.
690
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Erm... So that's your dad's writing.
691
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,760
And he wrote in
the visitor's book...
692
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,240
"Richard Mills.
693
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,040
"Bertie and Lena, many thanks
for letting us see
694
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,720
"a very special part of Zimbabwe.
695
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,520
"Your hospitality has been fantastic
and very much appreciated.
696
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,800
"I hope someday to meet you
and your family and friends
697
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,240
"at a braai..."
So, a braii is a barbecue.
698
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:16,480
"..over a braii
when times are better and...
699
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,920
"..we have better stories to share.
Stay safe.
700
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,600
"God bless."
701
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,120
That was probably the last thing
he ever wrote.
702
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,960
You know, it's amazing.
703
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,680
That was...that morning,
that was that Sunday morning
704
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,920
before he came to have a lunch
with us.
705
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,320
It must've been hard for you
growing up...
706
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Yeah. I found out that he died
707
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,120
a while after he actually had
passed away. My grandad told me.
708
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,600
But it wasn't until
I was maybe nine or ten
709
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,880
that my mum told me
that he took his own life,
710
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,960
and that was almost like being told
he died over again.
711
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,920
It hurt a lot.
712
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,240
And what went through your head?
713
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:03,240
I just... I couldn't believe it
because, I mean, at the time,
714
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:06,880
I was young and I just thought,
what had I done? You know?
715
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,440
So... You blamed yourself? Partly.
716
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,000
It pains me cos I always wanted
to have a dad. Sure.
717
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,920
And, I mean, my mum did a great job
of playing the role
718
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,080
of my dad as well.
719
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,560
But...
720
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,440
No, it's annoying because so many
kids do grow up without dads,
721
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,200
and it's...
722
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,800
I don't know, it's just...
723
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,680
It'd be nice to know what it was
like, to have that growing up. Yeah.
724
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,240
And I think your dad had a heart
for things.
725
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,720
People were able to relate
to the work that he did,
726
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,360
and that, at the end of the day, is,
727
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,440
you know, one of the most important
things in life - you know,
728
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,320
to have a heart for each other.
729
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,000
You know, that is... That's what
life's about, really, isn't it?
730
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,720
You know? And your dad
had that heart.
731
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,360
THEY LAUGH
732
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
But isn't it great that
you've been able to come out here...
733
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Oh, 100%. ..with Tara and just...?
734
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,360
I've always wanted to come out
to Zimbabwe, to see what he saw,
735
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,160
especially in his final days.
736
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,440
And I know he had such a love
for Zimbabwe, and I can see why.
737
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,400
I mean, it's a beautiful country
and I want to come back again.
738
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,360
I'd love to come see it...
I'd like to come see it
739
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,400
hopefully when there are
better days, to come see Zimbabwe.
740
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,880
Yeah, well, you can...
741
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,480
You can come in your dad's stead
and have a braii.
742
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,240
THEY LAUGH
743
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,240
Exactly. Have a braii! Yeah.
744
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,240
I like the beers here as well, so...
THEY LAUGH
745
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,800
You're obviously a true Irishman.
THEY LAUGH
746
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,720
Finn and I are travelling
to the remote village of Karonga,
747
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,280
the birthplace and final
resting place of the girl
748
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,640
in the photo, Sarudzai.
749
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,520
We're meeting a close friend
of Richard's
750
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,320
who helped with this story.
751
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,280
Hello! Hello.
752
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,080
It's so nice to meet you. Nice to
meet you. Oh, I'll give a hug.
753
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,680
And this is Finn.
Hiya. Hey! Nice to meet you.
754
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,240
SHE CRIES
755
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,200
Thank you.
Thank you.
756
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,920
Are you OK?
Yeah.
757
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,800
Thank you so much for coming and
meeting us, Tressie. You're welcome.
758
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:10,880
We're really, really...
759
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,960
We've heard so much about you.
And it's lovely to meet you.
760
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,600
Does he remind you of Richard? Yes.
761
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,840
You can see the resemblance? Yes.
The resemblance in the height.
762
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,760
Yeah, yeah.
763
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,760
THEY LAUGH
764
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:29,400
Very same personalities too.
Yes, yes.
765
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,400
The difference is the earrings.
766
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,440
THEY LAUGH
767
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,920
Yeah, he didn't... Richard didn't
have those. Yeah, yeah, yeah!
768
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,560
What do you remember about him?
769
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:43,240
I do remember Richard...
770
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,760
..of his kindness.
771
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:47,920
He was so sweet.
772
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,760
Very kind, very loving.
773
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,680
Yeah. He loved it here.
He loved it. Yes.
774
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,840
Yeah, he loved people.
He loved people. He loved everyone.
775
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,560
But it was difficult,
challenging times as well.
776
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,560
He was here when things
were very tough.
777
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Yes, he was there in 2008.
Yeah. It was very tough.
778
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080
But he was here, working with us.
779
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,200
It was hard to find out
what had happened, I would imagine?
780
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,440
It was painful.
Yeah. It was.
781
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,120
It was a surprise, because
Father Winter came to my house
782
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:30,000
and started praying
before he read us the message.
783
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,200
And I said, "What?!
I was with him last night."
784
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,880
I have to be emotional
because I didn't see him,
785
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,440
he loves his son...
786
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,440
THEY LAUGH
787
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,240
Oh, yeah, yeah,
he loved his son.
788
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,800
There's no doubt about that.
Always... Yes.
789
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,920
I pray for him every day.
790
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,080
Oh, my goodness.
791
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,640
Thank you for doing that.
That's so lovely.
792
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,640
Cos he covered so many conflicts
in so many different countries,
793
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,960
but her story was the one
that definitely impacted him most.
794
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,440
Yes, yes, yes...
795
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,680
That's the graveyard
for...the auntie.
796
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Oh, the auntie? OK.
Yes, they share the name.
797
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,240
But this is the little girl?
This is for Sarudzai. Oh...
798
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,000
SINGING
799
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,440
Been nice meeting everyone that have
known my dad, even 15 years on.
800
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,600
Like, seeing how Ben was getting
choked up reading that letter,
801
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,400
and then when Tressie first saw me,
and it's just like she latched on
802
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,080
and didn't let go.
It felt so natural.
803
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,160
Once we spoke to Tressie and Ben,
I was completely taken aback
804
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,840
by their reaction.
805
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,000
And I think there are two ways
of looking at that.
806
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,280
One is that he made
a real impact on them.
807
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,120
But also, I suppose,
after it happened,
808
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,840
it was probably such a shock
to them.
809
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,680
They probably remember it
in as much detail as we do,
810
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,840
but they've never had an outlet
for that.
811
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,800
So, that was probably the first time
they had had to express
812
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,600
some of the grief that they felt
15 years ago.
813
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,800
And for it to be so quick and
instant, really, with both of them,
814
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,280
that's... that'll never leave me.
I'll always take that away.
815
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,480
SINGING
816
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,080
It was refreshing.
817
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,480
It meant a lot.
818
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,600
And I could tell that it was...
It was more than just,
819
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,080
you know, a guy who went over
to take photos.
820
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,040
It was someone who really made
a connection with these people.
821
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,240
It was... Oh, it was
quite beautiful, really.
822
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,280
SINGING
823
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,640
I had to do this trip,
and I think if I didn't, I'd be
824
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,920
almost a bit cowardly.
This is something that...
825
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,280
It was almost like a rite of
passage, almost. I had to come here.
826
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,840
I felt so disconnected from him
my whole kind of life
827
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,400
because I was young.
828
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,160
But, no, it has been
an emotional journey,
829
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:46,120
but I know that I needed to do this
and I'm glad I have done it now.
830
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,040
I think meeting the people
that he met,
831
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,160
I think coming here
and kind of seeing what it's like
832
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,920
and just having...
833
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,320
Just having
a better understanding...
834
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,120
..but still really wishing
he hadn't ever come.
835
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,400
And I suppose it's just to say
to people, just don't do it.
836
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Just take a minute.
Take a minute.
837
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,800
Talk to somebody.
Lift the phone.
838
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:33,120
Go... You know, go make a cup
of tea, a cup of coffee.
839
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,320
Just do something.
Take a minute,
840
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,080
and don't do it, because...
841
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,760
..the impact on everybody,
particularly Finn -
842
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,840
you know, anybody that has children,
don't think
843
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,640
that they'll be better off for you
because they absolutely won't.
844
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,080
That is just a lie.
That is just not true.
845
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,760
And I don't know how we kind of
get to the stage
846
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,440
where that message gets across.
847
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,880
If this helps somebody, I hope
somebody listens. I really do.
848
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,680
It's a pretty unbelievable end
to an unbelievable trip.
849
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,880
That's an understatement!
This is out of this world.
850
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,800
It's jaw-dropping, this view.
851
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:31,360
And do you think we kind of set out
what you hoped to achieve
852
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,080
and connect more with your dad?
853
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,480
Oh, 100%, yeah.
854
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:36,520
This is...
855
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,400
..probably the best experience
I've had in my life.
856
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,840
And I certainly feel closer
to my dad now.
857
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,000
I needed this.
858
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,000
I love you, sweetheart.
Love you, too.
859
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,840
Across Northern Ireland, suicide
rates remain stubbornly high.
860
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,800
For the past 14 years,
861
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,520
Alfie has run a Facebook site
offering help and support
862
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,240
for those in crisis.
863
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:25,880
He's done it anonymously -
864
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,320
one man's efforts
to make a difference.
865
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,960
The two of us have been through
the same bereavement
866
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,840
of losing loved ones.
867
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,120
And I keep asking...
People keep asking me,
868
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,680
"How does other people
deal with it?"
869
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,640
How do you deal with it?
870
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,440
I know, but I suppose it's...
871
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,120
I mean, you know, my career
is asking people
872
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,840
questions about things like that.
873
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,760
You know, I talked to you
after Alfred died,
874
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,880
and I suppose it's a bit of,
if I'm expecting people to do that,
875
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,320
I should be able to answer
those questions as well,
876
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,120
and I think that was the motivation.
877
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,520
You know, your motivation
has been the Facebook page
878
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,720
and to talk to people
and help people.
879
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,880
And I've probably been very quiet
about it,
880
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,800
particularly while my children were
young and while my nephew was young.
881
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,680
But I suppose now that they're all
kind of growing up a bit,
882
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,720
it feels the right time
to look at it
883
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,680
and just to see, is there
anything else that I can do?
884
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Is there something you can do?
Is there something we can do?
885
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,320
But on a personal view
between the two of us
886
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,600
and living through it, it's...
you're still a human being,
887
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,960
you still have the feeling.
888
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,200
I still go through the emotions
of Alfred,
889
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,360
which I'm going through now
with my granddaughter.
890
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,800
Every time you would go to a door
and ask about a suicide,
891
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,960
it's bound to bring emotions back
about your loved one that you lost.
892
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,440
But I think it's... You know, when
I heard about your granddaughter,
893
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,280
it just knocked me for six,
you know -
894
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,560
the thought of you having to go
through that again
895
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,120
with such a young child.
896
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,800
And every time... You know,
I have friends who have lost people
897
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,840
through suicide, you know,
around the time that my brother died
898
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,040
and since, and every time,
just - you must be the same -
899
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,440
it just gets you right in the pit
of your stomach, cos you know
900
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,560
what's ahead and what's facing them
and how difficult it is.
901
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,240
My whole motivation is - and I'll
say it again, like a broken record -
902
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,680
I don't want any family
to go down the road
903
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,600
that your family and my family
have went down.
904
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,800
Alfred's not coming back. But if I
stop somebody going where Alfred is,
905
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,440
it'll make me feel as if
I've done something for someone.
906
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,400
Hello! Come on in.
907
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,400
It's 15 years since Richard died,
and we have decided to host
908
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,800
an exhibition of his work
for some family and friends.
909
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,320
I think that could go...
These are the top maybes.
910
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,400
Oh, really? I like that one.
So do I.
911
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,000
What one is he talking about? Let me
see the ones you're taking away!
912
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,480
Oi! Let me see the ones
you're taking away.
913
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,760
Oh, that has to go in.
That's the newest.
914
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,760
Despite everything we've been
through, I feel fortunate
915
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,440
that I've been able to learn more
about my brother
916
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,480
all these years after his death.
917
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,600
And I'm grateful that Finn
has been able to do the same.
918
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,440
I appreciate not every family
is in the same position.
919
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,880
Happy? Yep.
920
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,760
Such a kind of cross-section of
all the people involved in our lives
921
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,280
that have kind of come here tonight
and shared something,
922
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,440
and it does feel like
the first time we've been able
923
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:04,360
to celebrate his life and his work.
And to do that with Finn here,
924
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,000
front and centre, you know,
he has this big network
925
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,480
that's connected to his dad,
it's just been...
926
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,120
it's just been really lovely.
927
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,880
If he was still with us,
he'd still be out there
928
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,280
taking all these images.
929
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:20,960
Nothing ever changes.
930
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,520
We never learn. And Richard captured
all of that brilliantly.
931
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,680
And we look at that human suffering,
932
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,040
and yet it goes on
and it will continue to go on.
933
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,600
And I have a funny feeling that's
maybe what affected Richard as well,
934
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,400
that he knew,
"Nothing's gonna change."
935
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
For men over here anyway,
you know, it happens too often.
936
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,880
I mean, losing a father or mother
at a young age is terrible.
937
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,240
And if it's down to something
that we can prevent -
938
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,640
like mental health purposes,
which we can prevent -
939
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,960
we need to do everything
that we can to prevent it.
940
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,360
You know, I don't want another child
to have the kind of pain
941
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,240
that I did growing up, because
it's no way to grow up, you know?
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