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[applause]
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Ladies and gentlemen, it so happens that
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I've spent the greater part of my life
fixing things for people, you see.
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So the BBC decided,
why not put it all on film?
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Which is why we call it Jim'll Fix It,
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'cause we've been getting
all sorts of letters.
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We've got about 9,000 letters up to press.
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-Go on.
-"Dear Jim."
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"Please will you fix it
to fly like Peter Pan."
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[Savile] You want to fly around
with Peter Pan?
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[magical music playing]
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[whooping, cheering]
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[Savile] But we did it,
'cause there's nothing we can't do.
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[man 1] As a child, you just thought,"This guy can make things happen."
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[Savile] "Dear Jimmy, I have one personin life who I would love to meet."
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"He is Captain Kirkof the program Star Trek."
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Welcome aboard The Enterprise.
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[Savile] "Dear Jim,please could you fix it…"
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[children's voices overlap] "Dear Jim,please could you fix it…"
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…20,000 letters a week.
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If you misbehave at the BBC, they put you
on opening the Jim'll Fix It mail.
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[laughter]
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Come along, folks.
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[reporter] Jimmy Savile can't helpattracting his own special kind
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of private pandemonium.
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[man 2] Jimmy Savile is public property.
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Our Jim.
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[woman1] I had never seen anyone
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do that much good.
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How on earth do you raise
£10 million in three years?
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[woman 2] Everyone was bedazzled by him.
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He was like a conjurer.
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He mesmerized people.
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We trusted him.
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-There we go.
-That's lovely, Jim.
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Can I thank you for everything you do,
for every good cause.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[static crackling]
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[screaming, cheering]
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This is the legendary Jimmy Savile.
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[static crackling]
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[man 1] We've received over 400 lines
of information from the public.
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We are investigating major crime here.
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We've got this case, which is really
quite extraordinary if it's true.
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[man 2] Stephen King would struggleto come up with something like this.
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[woman 1] It is disturbing and horrible.
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[man 3] He was at it from 1955 to 2009.
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[man 4] What that man didwas just so, so wrong.
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The allegations are completely appalling
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and, I think,
are shocking the entire country.
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[woman 2] Why did it take that longfor this to all come out?
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[man 5] All the clues were there,in plain sight.
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[Savile] I never, ever thoughtthat I was clever.
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Tricky, yes. I'm a very tricky fella.
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If you are clever, you can slip up.
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You never slip up if you're tricky.
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[inhales]
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Big question I get asked is,
"When did it all start?"
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That's the pop scene of mine. And "Why?"
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And it all started--
very quickly, I won't bore you--
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uh, some years ago,
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when I wondered what to do,
and I wasn't quite sure what to do.
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So I started
working things out for myself.
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"I'll work it the other way around."
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"Instead of thinking of something to do,
i.e. a job,
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I will work out the things that I like
and the things that suit me,
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I'll see if there's any jobs
around those things."
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"I like lights.
I like records, pop music."
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"I like girls."
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[gentle guitar music playing]
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[man1] Jimmy Savile was sucha well-known figure in Britain,
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it's very difficult nowto imagine just who he was.
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[host] Good afternoon,
ladies and gentlemen.
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Welcome to the Poll Winners Concert
here at Wembley.
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[cheering]
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[man 1] He'd been theresince everybody's childhood.
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It seemed likehe'd never been anywhere else.
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A man who you have voted
Britain's top disc jockey,
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ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Savile!
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[cheering, whistling]
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Morning, ladies and gentlemen.
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Let's just have a little look.
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How's about, keep the ball rolling,
no time for talking, music all the way,
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and we are now very, very honored
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to present to you
somebody we know very well as…
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Let's hear it for The Rolling Stones!
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-[cheering]
-Hello.
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[cheering, whistling]
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Bow to the Queen.
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[man 2] He was strange,but we knew he was strange.
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Britain's most popular disc jockey
for the second year in succession,
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Jimmy Savile.
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[tense music playing]
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[man 2] That was part of his appealto people,
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that he was an unusual character.
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Top disc jockey again, fourth year
in succession, very fine of you.
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Got the award here. Look in your radio
sets to see what it's all about.
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How about that? Isn't that marvelous?
Thanks a lot. A million thanks.
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I think it's obviously because the people
of this country have got great taste
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and discernment,
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and they can
tell a good thing when they see one.
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[hums a tune]
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[man 3] Famously,a lot of radio broadcasters
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could not adapt to TV.
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-Shall I tell you something?
-Yes.
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-You're on the telly, look.
-Ooh, no.
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Yes, you are, and there's
millions of people watching you as well.
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Yeah.
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[man 3] Savile, he did have skill
as a broadcaster.
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I'd sort of forgotten about that
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or chosen to ignore it
because of the later depravity.
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One of the difficult things on television
is to get nice, lovely, ordinary people
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to be natural
when you shove a camera at them.
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Just round this corner, in actual fact,
is Auntie Nora's fish shop,
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and she's got a great theory
about lady fish and gentlemen fish.
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Good morning.
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[Mark Lawson] Most broadcasters
wore their Sunday best,
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got their hair cut,
and spoke in a quite posh way.
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[Savile] Where's Auntie Nora?
Good morning, sweetheart. How's things?
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-Oh, all right, love.
-Give us a kiss, baby. How are you?
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I'm all right, love, now I've seen you.
You've made my day.
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-Have I?
-Yeah.
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[Mark Lawson] Jimmy Savile,
a working-class former miner,
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and, crucially, northerner.
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Northern voices are regarded
as more authentic in Britain.
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Should've had my hair done, shouldn't I?
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[Mark Lawson] Warmth.
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You're on telly.
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-[Mark Lawson] Trustworthiness.
-How lovely.
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Ah, this is lovely.
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Can you tell everyone on the television
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the difference between
a lady fish and a gentleman?
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Gentlemen fish has a tail on the end--
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-[Savile] Right.
-A lady has just a little flat piece.
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-Just a little flat piece?
-Hey, give up. He's taking--
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[Jimmy laughs]
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[applause, laughter]
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[Mark Lawson] He understood that
there was a connection you could have
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with people through a TV screen.
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You stay there. Put the camera
on her legs, and I'll drink my tea.
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-There you go. There we go.
-[laughter]
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So, we've got to go. Any time now
they'll be pulling the plug out,
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and we'll disappear from view.
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[sound on TV] So we'll see you next week.God bless…
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[Mark Lawson] A man of the people
is allowed near the people.
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Terrible, terrible things happened
because of that.
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[Savile] The hair is,
you might say, a gimmick.
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I call it smoke screen.
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Being easily recognizable,
with all the hair and things like that,
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immediately people see you,
they switch on to who you are,
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and because of image
on television, 99.999%,
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and I haven't met the other .1% yet,
people are very friendly.
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[man] Right, quiet please.We're on the clock.
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[applause]
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Ten, nine, eight,
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seven, six,
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five, four, three…
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to Top of the Pops.
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["Nut Rocker" playing]
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[song continues through TV]
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I'm on this one.
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[chuckles]
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[song continues]
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There I am.
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In green. Pale green.
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[song continues]
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I started working at the BBC in 1971.
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The first thing I wanted to do
was go to Top of the Pops.
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I was 19. I had my diary
full of girls who wanted to come with me.
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I used to book the tickets
with a certain department.
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I'd put down,
"Please could I go when Jim was there."
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He was just completely unique.
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We're just having
a little game from upstairs,
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to see which camera they can catch me on,
but they can't catch me.
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I've got eyes all over the head.
At 17 in the Hit Parade,
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would you believe,
it's the one and only Mr Stevie Wonder.
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It's called, "He's Misstra Know-It-All,"
and it's coming up any second now.
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They're trying to catch me out, you see.
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[TinaDavey] If you were on
Top of the Pops with Jimmy Savile…
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♪ Where's your mama gone? ♪
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…it was awesome. It was a magic world.
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♪ Little baby Don ♪
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♪ Little baby Don ♪
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♪ Far, far away… ♪
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[Savile] How about
if I jump round like this
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and I say to you that, right behind me,
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it's "Down on the Beach Tonight"
with the one and only The Drifters!
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[applause]
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["Down on the Beach Tonight" playing]
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♪ Hey, honey ♪
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♪ You know you're too youngTo break your heart over one guy… ♪
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[Tina Davey] Jim was the top, top man.
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♪ Say you'll meet meDown on the beach tonight ♪
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♪ Where you and I could dance… ♪
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He knew everybody.
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The Rolling Stones.
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The Beatles.
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He was always keen to talk about…
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[Savile] The four Beatles and myself,we had to do a sketch.
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They were mountaineers,
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and I was an abominable snowman,
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dressed in a big, hairy,shaggy-looking thing.
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And I captured The Beatles,one by one, and ate them.
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♪ We're gonna have an all-night party… ♪
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[Tina Davey] When I knew him,
he was 40, 45.
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Smart, intelligent.
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He headed up so many programs in the BBC.
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Welcome, indeed, to the first
of 19 programs for childminders.
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♪ You know it had to end ♪
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♪ You might as well come down and have… ♪
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[Tina Davey] I saw an advertisement
to work on one of Jim's programs.
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Even though I was just a secretary there,
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he didn't treat me like I was just someone
who had typed a letter or something.
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He got me.
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He's very, very intuitive.
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Which means
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he understood everyone.
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[uneasy music playing]
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It was magic to listen to his stories.
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He used to come into the office,
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started telling us
how he was at Buckingham Palace.
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Stay onboard. Get inside.
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Get inside because we mustn't keep
HRH waiting, as it 'appens.
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[sing-song] Hi-he hi-he hi.
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And it's the big house, which the…
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It's like in old,
whitish stone, all right?
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[uneasy music playing]
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[Tina Davey] He was a very clever man.
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He knew that fame bought power.
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[reporter] Investiture atBuckingham Palace, London.
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The well-known disc jockey,Jimmy Savile, received the OBE.
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-One more time.
-[man] Jim!
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-How about that, then?
-Jim, look over here now.
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[Tina Davey] His level of fame
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gave him every door open.
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He wanted his fame
to go beyond anything and anybody.
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[producer] So he didn't talk
about his emotional life?
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He didn't have one.
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He didn't have--
He wasn't emotional about anything.
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He told me,
it was the most profound statement,
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"I'm a machine."
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And he was.
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The only time,
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one-and-only time,
I saw him show any emotion,
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he had lost his mum.
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I said to him, "I'm so sorry."
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He did cry.
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Never seen it since or before.
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Deep down, he wasn't on the same road
as a lot of us,
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in terms of boyfriends, girlfriends,
moving on to husband, wife, and children.
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He really wasn't in that road.
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[cheering]
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[host] And he's here again, Jimmy Savile!
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[cheering, whistling]
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[rock music playing]
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[Tina Davey] He didn't talk about
his personal life.
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[cheering, whistling]
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He was a complete…
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[screaming]
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…enigma.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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This is the final program
in the present series
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about paperbacks
out in your shops this week.
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Jimmy Savile OBE
has just brought out this book,
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Love is an Uphill Thing,
and is sitting beside me.
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I enjoyed it enormously.
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Did you make up your mind
to be totally honest?
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Were there things
you weren't going to say?
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The bits that I didn't say
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are only those which I forgot,
which I've got enough for another book.
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I like writing. I think--
I call it the magic of the empty page.
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Which is a tremendous thing
because you can make people laugh,
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you can make them cry,
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you can make them happy, sad, whichever.
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I think that's a tremendous power,
that you've got a hand, a pen,
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and an empty page,
and you can do anything with people.
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To my mind, the best part of the book
is the anecdotes, which were very funny,
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and I hope in the next one
you're going to tell a lot of anecdotes.
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I'd probably finish up doing
about 15 years in the nick if I did that.
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-[man] It's worth suffering.
-[Savile laughs]
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-[host] Jacky?
-The other thing--
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Yes, I enjoyed the anecdotes,
but I did feel
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that I still didn't really know you
at the end of the book. I felt as though--
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[Savile] What are you doing
after the show?
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[chuckles]
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-[host] I think that shocked--
-Come on. Don't sidestep.
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Um…
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Do you-- I felt as though you described
a person that we, the public, know.
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-[Savile] Yes.
-Um…
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Is there a private core
you really don't want us to know about?
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No, not at all. Not at all. Uh…
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I have no ego trip
that I keep things secret from anybody.
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I don't think, for instance, that people
are really bothered about me personally.
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Thank you all very much
for all your letters.
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We'll be back some time
with more books. Goodnight.
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Thank you.
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[background chatter]
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[silence]
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[high-pitched tone]
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[gentle music playing]
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[Savile] I've managed all my lifestrictly on my own, as a one-man band.
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I've got no agent,no manager, no secretary, no… Nothing.
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[man] Where do you live?
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-[Savile] Anywhere.-You must live somewhere.
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[Savile] It's all the same to me,whether I wake up under a hedge,
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or in strange surroundings.
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[man] You must havea definite pad of your own.
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[Savile] Oh, I've got several pads, yes,but I consider them, uh, bases.
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I've got basesscattered all over the country.
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Houses, flats, and things like that.And I slide about and, uh…
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I don't ever think of where I'm goingor what I'm doing, really.
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[siren blares]
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[Savile] I work two days a weekas a porter at Leeds Infirmary.
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Just as a porter. Not as a special porter,
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not as an odd porter,a peculiar porter, just a porter.
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And it's really wonderful.
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I work in various departments.
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There will be a patient on ward 21has to be carried to be X-rayed,
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so I take a trolleyand go shovel 'em into bed,
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then all day ferryingbackwards and forwards.
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One, two, three, up we go.
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There's marvelous chatyou get on the wards.
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When I gointo a women's ward with my trolley,
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to take someone downto X-ray or theater, and I say,
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"Who's a lucky girl today, then?"
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And this is a payoffof having a well-known face.
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Are you warm?
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-[patient] Mm-hm.
-All right?
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Away, Joseph. Let us away to the woods.
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[woman] Did you start it off as a gimmick?
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[Savile] If it is, it's the world'slongest-running gimmick.
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[man1] I think we must press youa little more on this.
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You chose this section of the population,
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and I don't thinkyou've told us quite why.
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[uneasy music playing]
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[man 2] Working in the hospitals,
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that seemed to be a great thing.
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He was prepared to push a trolleyand go out with the ambulance.
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[cheering]
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His charity work
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obviously went down very well
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because people thought,"He's putting a bit back in."
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-Hang on!
-Jimmy!
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See you later. See you later, my friends.
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[reporter] Day two of Savile's run begins
at the foot of a long, long hill
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out of Brampton.
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-Morning, Jimmy.
-Morning, my friend, Martin. How are you?
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-How are you feeling, more to the point?
-Hundred percent.
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Seriously, Jimmy…
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[continues on TV] …it's a rotten morning.It's cold, misty, damp, raining.
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I don't think it's a rotten morning.
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I think it's a marvelous morning
because you can smell the air,
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you can smell the grass,
you can hear all the cows and the sheep.
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[Martin Young] He was running
across the country.
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I think it was a week
that we ran with him.
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We had dinner the first night.
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I started to ask him
about the charity work,
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after all, the run was for charity,
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but I asked him about working
for Leeds hospital, I think it was.
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Anyway, he did hospital duties,
and he did ambulance duties as well.
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And he started to talk
about the crashes and things
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that he'd attended
as an ambulance employee.
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And, um, he told one story
that was bizarre,
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for the first time
you've ever met somebody.
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He said, "Oh, I went to this one and, um,
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it was terrible."
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"We saw the body
and it was definitely dead."
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"It was decapitated."
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And he said,
"It was-- Had rolled under a lorry."
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"So, anyway, I volunteered."
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"I went in under the lorry
and came back with the head."
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And, you know…
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[flustered] "Anybody like another coffee?"
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[chatter, applause]
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During those five days,
the crowds came out.
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You'd have thought it was royalty.
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[cheering, screaming]
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Now then, I'll sign this lot,
then you can get the next lot.
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[train horn sounds]
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[Martin Young] Jimmy Savileis public property.
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He's everybody's cousin,everybody's blood brother.
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He has to be jolly, zany, our Jim.
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-[cheering]
-[Savile] Oh dear, oh Lord.
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Oh!
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-Are you teach?
-Yes.
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-Give us a kiss, teach.
-[kisses]
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-Ooh!
-[cheering]
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[Martin Young] Lorry drivers, autographhunters, television interviewers.
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He takes them all in his stride.
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Somehow, after following himfor three days
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and jog trotting into Newcastle,
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it all seems disturbingly natural.
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A perfectly normal way to spend your time.
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Jim's weird lifestyle rubs off on you.
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[jazz music playing]
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That's interesting. I haven't seen that
since I did it. Since it went out on air.
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I'm quite pleased with the script.
I'd worked hard on that.
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I knew there was something wrong.
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In the quieter moments,
what do you think about as you slog along?
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Slog along?
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[Martin Young] That's Phil Tibenham,
one of the great reporters.
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You're always doing something physical
like cycling or wrestling or something.
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Are you in some way
trying to punish yourself?
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[laughs] Oh, no, not at all.
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The only time you punish yourself
is when you are with young ladies.
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Then you punish yourself
because you're such a villain.
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You should be kind to them,
and you're not kind to them.
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And you squeeze them
and make 'em go "ouch!"
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and things like that.
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Gosh.
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It's made me realize
that there are two people in there.
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One half of the brain
has broken into the other half for once.
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The real persona
has entered the public persona.
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I can't think of anything nicer
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than walking the length
and breadth of this country,
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starting at the top and finishing
when you run out of land. It's marvelous.
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'Scuse me showing my feet,
ladies and gentlemen. Do forgive me.
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-[woman shrieks]
-Then they go…
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Put it down.
Let me have a look. Turn it round.
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Turn it round.
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Yes. Later, later. Take it away.
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[woman giggles]
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You see, a man needs all sorts of things
to get him 700 miles.
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He needs all sorts of things.
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[man] What adventures have you had so far?
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I've had so many adventures, in fact,
my case comes up next Thursday,
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in various parts of the country, uh…
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And we do tend to leave rather quickly
once we've stayed overnight somewhere.
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Because when all the boyfriends
and, uh, brothers and fathers
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come looking for you with the shotguns,
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00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,880
a diesel cloud, and an oil drip,
and that's where you were.
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[man] My dealings with Savile
started years ago.
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My aunt ran this very strange
institution called Duncroft.
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I first started going there
when I was sort of probably six or seven.
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From 1970, we'd regularly visit
maybe once a month.
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You'd approach this mansion
surrounded by high walls,
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uh, which, you know,
looked like a stately home.
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You know, it had a Georgian wing
and a Victorian wing.
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It was very grand, and yet there were bars
on the upstairs windows
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where the girls were at night.
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00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,760
It's all been turned into flats now.
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I remember that. The lawns there…
I mean, the grounds were much bigger.
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They used to run all the way down there,
and my aunt's study is that window there.
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This was called an approved school,
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which was like a prison
for 14-year-old girls
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who'd done bad things.
Some had done very bad things.
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00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,880
At times there were child murderers here
and all sorts of things.
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I found it unnerving.
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00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,840
Some of these girls who'd been accused
of very serious offenses,
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when I was a little kid, I'd come here,
and they would be, like, babysitting me,
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while the adults went and had a few drinks
or a party or something.
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There would always be celebrities there.
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You would have old film stars,
politicians, at a garden party
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raising money so that they could buy
minibuses to take the kids out.
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00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,800
My aunt,
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she was swept up
with the idea of celebrity herself.
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00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,840
So every surface in her house
had pictures of her with celebrities.
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In the middle of this, Savile arrives,
when I'm probably about 16.
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[Savile hums a tune]
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[Meirion Jones] At first, it seemed he was
just another of the celebrities there,
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but he kept turning up.
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Very often when we turned up,
we would see Savile.
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It was the first time
I'd dealt with him face-to-face.
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00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,720
All his phrases, "Now then, now then"
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and all this stuff,
it seemed to be a screen.
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00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,440
So there he was in his shell suit,
making the screen in front of him,
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00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760
and it was like
you couldn't see through it.
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00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640
A lot of the girls
were drugged-up a lot of the time.
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00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Psychiatrists were often over-prescribing
just to keep them quiet.
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I remember seeing him driving off
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with three girls
from the school in the back seats.
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They were very excited.
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They were waving at their friends
up at the windows above.
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I mean, they're locked up.
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00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,960
Suddenly, one of the most famous people
in Britain is turning up.
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00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,400
And that started to become
a bit of an issue for my parents,
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00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,000
who were both teachers,
who would say to my aunt,
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"Why are you letting this guy
hang around with 13-year-old girls?"
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00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440
And she'd say, "It's Jimmy.
He's a friend of the school,
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00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,400
raising money for charity,
481
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,960
helping people."
482
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,280
You know, Jim'll Fix It. This is a man
who can make all your dreams come true.
483
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,880
[man] Jim'll Fix It.
484
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,680
It was 21 years of a working relationshipbetween me and Jimmy Savile.
485
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,680
It was a good talking pointif you were meeting somebody.
486
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,480
[male voice] Six, five, four, three…
487
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,160
[Roger Orish] Suddenly,you couldn't say it anymore.
488
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,960
We do hope you enjoy this program.
489
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,040
You're an important part of it,
so sometimes we ask you to applaud,
490
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760
especially when I introduce to you
Mr. Jimmy Savile!
491
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,920
How could I be so naive?
492
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,080
-[jolly music playing]
-[applause]
493
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,040
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Happy Christmas Eve to one and all.
494
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,040
Hope you're gonna have a splendid holiday.
495
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120
We're gonna have
a splendid Fix It just now.
496
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,400
We're starting in fine style
with this letter.
497
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,560
"Dear Jim, I would like you
to send my sister to the moon."
498
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,760
-[laughter]
-"She is 12 years old and very bossy."
499
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,080
[Roger Ordish] It wasa terribly simple idea, really.
500
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,200
People write in,
501
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,400
tell Jim what they want "fixed,"and he'll make their dreams come true.
502
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,360
[boy] "Dear Jim, please could you fix itfor my duck, Crawford, to fly
503
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,000
because he cannot fly."
504
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720
"All he doesis run up the garden flapping his wings
505
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,440
and just staying on the ground."
506
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,520
[Savile chuckles] An amazing duck.
507
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160
If a duck wants to fly, the first thing
it's got to do is go to the airport.
508
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,360
[duck quacks]
509
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,080
[woman] Morning. I'll take that for you.
You're in seats 2E and F, on the left.
510
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,080
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen…
511
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000
[Roger Ordish] Ideally, you'd laughand have pleasure from watching it,
512
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,480
but you'd also have a tear in your eyeas it was such a sweet, innocent request.
513
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,080
[girl] "Dear Jim, I have always wantedto be an Indian princess and wear a sari."
514
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,440
[man] If you behave like a princess,
with a lot of dignity and poise,
515
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,080
all your dreams will come true.
516
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040
[Savile] Now, a letterfrom Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
517
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,840
"Dear Jim, please can you fix it for me
518
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,120
to ride through a hoop of fireon a motorcycle…"
519
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,320
[motorcycle revs]
520
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440
[Roger Ordish] The responsewas absolutely enormous.
521
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,840
The room was stuffed full of mailbags.
522
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,200
Do you reply to all the letters
you receive?
523
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,800
No, we don't. It would cost us so much
to reply to all those 250,000 letters.
524
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,760
It would cost more
than it costs to make the whole program.
525
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,880
[Savile] "Dear Jimmy,I'd love to swing the ball
526
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,040
that knocks the walls of buildings down."
527
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,320
[Roger Ordish] It was number one
in the television ratings.
528
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,600
[producer] How many viewers
was it getting?
529
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,760
It was 20 million.
530
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,080
[Savile] "Dear Jim, please can you fix it
for me to drive the new James Bond car?"
531
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680
Missiles, four.
532
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Harpoon guns, six.
533
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,600
[man 1] So many kids were writing letters.
It was like a golden ticket.
534
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,880
[man 2] Good luck, 007.
535
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Because kids could see
other dreams being fixed,
536
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,760
they'd think, "Well, maybe, just one day,
Jim might fix something for me."
537
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,880
[boy] "Dear Jim, I would like to takemy teacher, Mrs. Harding, out for a meal,
538
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,200
but I have only got 12p in my money box."
539
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880
"If I save, she will be too old."
540
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,280
[sound continues on TV] "I don't want herto be old. Steven Phillips, age six."
541
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360
[Savile chuckles]
542
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280
[woman] Steven, would you like to bring
your reading books to me, please?
543
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920
[Steven Phillips]
I hadn't asked for the earth.
544
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,720
I just wanted my teacher to be happyand, you know, have a nice meal.
545
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,560
A Rolls Royce turned upat my primary school.
546
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880
We went to the local five-star hotel.
547
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,680
Sir, the wine list to start.
548
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,880
-Mrs. Harding, what would you like?
-What would you recommend?
549
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,080
There you are, Steve.
That's what you ordered, yeah?
550
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,800
Um…
551
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,360
[audience laughs]
552
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360
[Steven Phillips] Suddenly, you're inan environment where everything
553
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760
is centered aroundthis wish that you've asked for.
554
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,600
Look at that!
555
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Oh, I say! Isn't that wonderful.
556
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,200
-Look, Steven, there you are.
-Isn't that lovely!
557
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,880
[Steven Phillips] It was fun. It wasan experience that I've never had since.
558
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,320
It's lovely.
559
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,960
And we've got cherries…
560
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,960
[applause]
561
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,240
We traveled to London.We went into the studio.
562
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,800
Because you must present
this badge to this man-about-town
563
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,000
because he is something else.Thanks.
564
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
[Roger Ordish] The important thingat the end
565
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360
was that you had had your dream come true.
566
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,960
Jim had fixed it for you.
567
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,440
So we had a badge and a red ribbon,
568
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840
and it said, "Jim fixed it for me."
569
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,880
Which, for a time,were quite valuable on eBay.
570
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,120
[Steven Phillips] I did think it was
the Crown Jewels when I got it.
571
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:15,040
Um…
572
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,159
You have to understand that it was a big…
573
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,560
This was a big thing
for children in the 1980s
574
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,600
and the decades around it either side.
575
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,159
-[Savile] Here come their badges.
-[man] Here you go.
576
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,840
-Dear, dear, dear.
-That's it.
577
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,480
[Savile] Wow, look at that!
578
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Come here. There you go there.
579
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:37,920
[Steven Phillips] As a child,
580
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,760
you just thought,this guy can make things happen.
581
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,760
A Father Christmas-type figure, I suppose.
582
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,120
The whole process of writing a letteris very much like Santa Claus.
583
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,720
That's what you'd do as a child,write to Santa and say what you wanted.
584
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960
[Mark Lawson] There's something Jesus-likeabout it.
585
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Jesus crossed with Father Christmas.
586
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,480
Well, that really took some fixing.
But here we are in beautiful Israel.
587
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,920
[choral music playing]
588
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,000
[suspenseful music overlaps]
589
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:30,400
[Mark Lawson] There was an implicationof something miraculous and caring.
590
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
He was seen as someonethat children would listen to.
591
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,080
Trust.
592
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Your Uncle Jim.
593
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,440
[Steven Phillips] He was on our TVsin this family show that families watched.
594
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,640
So he was a safe person.
595
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,920
[Mark Lawson] He wrote the introductionto the American book
596
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680
warning children about stranger danger.
597
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,520
Set out like a little poem.
598
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920
"Here is a bookfor you to read and remember."
599
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,920
"Will you remember a stranger is danger,when you are on your own?"
600
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Welcome back to James and his producer,
Roger Ordish, who've come to see us.
601
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,040
-Hello.
-The team.
602
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,800
Yes, the team. The Fix It team are here,
sifting through a few fix-its.
603
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,600
[Roger Ordish] I don't think you ever
got behind the mask
604
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,520
'cause he was so controlled,
so self-controlled.
605
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,400
The idea of having a wife…
606
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,120
He had an automatic
defense mechanism about that.
607
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,680
"Brain damage."
608
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,440
So the idea was that it would be…
It was one-night stands.
609
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,360
I mean, he would say,
"I met this young lady last night
610
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
and she obliged," or something like that.
611
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,200
You don't think about it
any more than that.
612
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,760
You don't say,
"What?! In what way? What did you do?"
613
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520
He would talk about his conquests,
614
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,960
but you didn't see the person concerned,
and you didn't really think beyond that.
615
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,840
I mean, some people said,
"He's gay really, you know,"
616
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,280
but people say that
about everybody, don't they?
617
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,640
[suspenseful music playing]
618
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,880
[woman] I was The Independent on Sunday's
celebrity interviewer.
619
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,240
For a while I was called Demon Barber,
which was a bit hard, I thought.
620
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,800
More of my interviews were nice
than were bitchy,
621
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,440
but the bitchy ones
were the ones the readers loved.
622
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,360
Before I worked
for The Independent on Sunday,
623
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,680
I worked for the Sunday Express.
624
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,440
I did a series called
"Things I Wish I'd Known at 18."
625
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,560
Jimmy Savile.
626
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,560
I'm not sure what he said
about what he'd wished he'd known at 18,
627
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,200
but I asked him about the fact
he'd never had a girlfriend.
628
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,920
He said that he was so busy
he didn't have time for a girlfriend
629
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480
or children or a proper home.
630
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,160
And he was always traveling.
631
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,720
Sometime after, I asked around the office,
632
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,760
and what was striking
was how many people said to me,
633
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,840
"You know, he likes little girls."
634
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
It was a very widespread rumor.
635
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,480
But it was a feature of Fleet Street
636
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,720
that rumors could go on
going round and round and round,
637
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,000
so you'd hear the same thing
from 20 people,
638
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080
which made them sound plausible.
639
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,720
But then always you had to
try and get some backup.
640
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,920
"Have you any evidence for this?"
641
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,320
And they never did.
642
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,080
[man] In the dark,
dim recesses of the night,
643
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,520
can anything that you read about you,
or hear it said about you, make you wince?
644
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,960
Not really because, you see, I don't--
I've been in the business a long time now.
645
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,720
I run an average weekly audience
of about 40 million people
646
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,240
through things like television,
Sunday People, radio and things like that.
647
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,080
So after many years like that,
648
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,200
you get that people
say all sorts of things about you,
649
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,520
and you get over being hurt, uh,
650
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,920
because maybe the things
that they say are not true.
651
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,040
And it doesn't really matter because
652
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360
you think back
to the words of the Governor,
653
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,760
who said, "Forgive them, Father,
for they know not what they do."
654
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,040
So that's all right.
655
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,640
It's the way it goes.
656
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,600
[man] If you think about all the stories
published about celebrities
657
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,400
in the last 40 years,
658
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,880
there's a much larger volume of stories
which have never been published
659
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,600
and never seen the light of day.
660
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,240
[Savile] This is the world-famousStoke Mandeville Hospital,
661
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600
the most famous spinal unitin the whole world.
662
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,480
[Dominic Carman] Powerful friends
can certainly help.
663
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,600
The British establishment.
664
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,720
A few thousand people
hold influence and power.
665
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:44,480
It is an invisible club in which,
once you become an established member,
666
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,720
you can find yourself afforded
a degree of protection and sympathy
667
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:55,600
that wouldn't be the same were you just
an ordinary person in the street.
668
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,960
At first glance,
Stoke Mandeville Hospital,
669
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,880
or at least this part of it, looks good.
670
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,120
It's only when you begin to look
at some of its not-so-new buildings
671
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,880
that a less favorable image
begins to appear.
672
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,880
[Dominic Carman] People can enter
the establishment from modest backgrounds.
673
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,920
To be taken seriously
by the establishment,
674
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,920
one has to make
a very strong impression on them.
675
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,520
A…
676
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,560
big impression.
677
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,280
[man] Blizzards have tonight
closed many roads.
678
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,800
Snowplows are out on all major routes.
679
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,280
Police have warned
of severe weather conditions
680
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,240
and advised people to stay at home.
681
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,920
[woman] On 2nd January 1980,
we had bad snow.
682
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,000
One of the patients
is laying in bed, can't move,
683
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,920
and the ceiling above his head,
684
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,320
which is what he'd got--
all he'd got to look at for a few months,
685
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,800
was beginning to bulge.
686
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,080
[man] Ceilings of five of the spinal unit
wards have collapsed.
687
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Fortunately, our staff very quickly
moved the patients into the corridors.
688
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,240
[Sylvia Nicol] One of our consultants
phoned Jim and said, "Can you help us?"
689
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,960
And that's the moment
690
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,280
all hell was let loose.
691
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,120
[pipe band playing]
692
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,480
The appeal to rebuild
the National Spinal Injuries Centre.
693
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,000
[crowd] Five, four, three, two, one.
694
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,080
[cheering]
695
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,080
Is that why you're--
Are you raising money tonight?
696
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,240
So I've got time
to try and get hold of £10 million,
697
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,480
with the help
of my lovely friends in Great Britain, uh,
698
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,480
to stop the rain falling on the heads
of my 120 paralyzed boys and girls.
699
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,320
In fact, only three days ago,
700
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,680
a floor collapsed and one of my girls
disappeared through it.
701
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160
-You're getting good publicity--
-It's not publicity.
702
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,440
Publicity is when
you make money for yourself.
703
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,840
That's not publicity. We're doing
a service to the people of this country.
704
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,000
I'm extremely sorry.
I shouldn't have said--
705
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,720
No more chips for saying that.
706
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,600
[laughter]
707
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,840
Ladies and gents,
say thanks to Jimmy Savile.
708
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,440
[brass band music playing]
709
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,000
[whistling]
710
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,360
[Sylvia Nicol]
With Jimmy Savile as our head,
711
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,760
it was in every newspaperyou could think of.
712
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Good to see you. Hello.
713
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
[Sylvia Nicol] 'Cause it was Jim,it was out.
714
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,760
How did you raise it?
715
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,880
[man] All sorts of ways,
but mainly a 24-hour sponsored run.
716
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Thanks on behalf of the patients.
717
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,720
Would you like to meet my team,
then the patients?
718
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,880
-Love to.
-Good.
719
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Oh, there you are. That's me!
720
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,880
Stoke Mandeville keeps me going.
That's why I'm still here now.
721
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640
I was given a life expectancy
of ten years.
722
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,520
And look at the age of me now.
723
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,160
So we needed that hospital.
724
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,280
-Can I give you this check…
-You can indeed.
725
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,440
…on behalf of 120 Squadron RAF Kinloss.
726
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,520
[Roger Ordish] He raised millions.
727
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,800
And it was part of the Fix It thing
that Jim's gonna fix this hospital.
728
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080
-[Savile] We started a week ago.
-[man] Right.
729
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,280
Within 12 hours,
we had got quarter of a million pounds.
730
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,240
I did a deal this morning,
from some super people,
731
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
who said you will benefit
by about £2 million,
732
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,560
so in seven days,
we've done about three million quid.
733
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,720
But it's not bad, is it?
734
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,560
[applause]
735
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,480
[host] Now…
736
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,840
[sound fades]
737
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,560
[Savile] "Dear Jimmy,
please could you fix it for me
738
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,760
to patrol 10 Downing Street
as a police lady?"
739
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,960
10 Downing Street.
740
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,720
Prime minister's.
741
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,640
[man] Here we are.
742
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Your job, along with me today,
743
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,600
is to make sure the prime minister
is well cared for and looked after.
744
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,800
Thank you very much. Shall we close that?
745
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Now, can I just point
something out to you?
746
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,360
Do you see what this says?
747
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,040
-Hello, my dear Jimmy! How are you?
-Good heavens!
748
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,480
[Thatcher] She's done marvelously.And I hope you've had a very happy day.
749
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,880
[man] I worked for five prime ministers,
750
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,760
and Margaret Thatcher
certainly was different.
751
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Are we going to get it on over your hat?
We'll try. No, don't move yet.
752
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520
I think we can try.
One moment. No. Let's put it this way.
753
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,320
See if we can do it
without disturbing anything.
754
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,880
Shall we have her
have a look around, like this?
755
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,120
When I became principal private secretary
to Margaret Thatcher in 1982,
756
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,920
her relationship with Jimmy Savile
had really become quite established.
757
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,520
Well, actually--
758
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,920
I thought you were going to fix
my getting into Number 10?
759
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,440
[Savile] I've already done so.
760
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,200
Then you can give me
a "Jim has fixed it for me."
761
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,280
-Indeed.
-All right.
762
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,600
-Good.
-Come along, Jimmy.
763
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,200
Nice to see you. Wonderful. All right.
764
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520
[Lord Butler] Their relationship
was pretty close.
765
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,000
He was writing letters to her.
766
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,440
She had invited him
767
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,440
to the prime minister's
country residence, Chequers.
768
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,560
Now, these are floribunda.
No, they're not as good as the others.
769
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,160
-What about here?
-Goodness me.
770
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,360
[Lord Butler] Stoke Mandeville
is on the doorstep of Chequers.
771
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,920
It was round the corner.
772
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,760
At the present moment, we're five years
and three months ahead of schedule,
773
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760
which is staggering-- A miracle, really.
774
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,320
[man] It's remarkable.
Over £6 million in two years?
775
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,880
Yes-- Under two years.
776
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,400
[Lord Butler] Margaret Thatcher
particularly liked Jimmy Savile
777
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,320
because he wasn't relying
on what the state could do.
778
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,760
[Savile] The British public and industry
have rallied to this appeal
779
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,680
like they haven't rallied to anything
since the last war.
780
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,400
[Lord Butler] His entrepreneurialism,
781
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,640
his taking the initiative.
782
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,000
[Savile] It will open on August 3rd,
783
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080
and any problems that we get before then
will be resolved by then
784
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,720
'cause we don't understand
the words "can't do."
785
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,960
[Lord Butler] Her vision of society,
a thriving economy,
786
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,400
relying on successful people
787
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,080
who were then able to support the people
who were less fortunate than themselves.
788
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,240
Do as much as you can
for yourself is the aim.
789
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,200
Here we have a very special, unique unit.
Patient in bed…
790
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,200
This place would not be in existence
without Jimmy Savile.
791
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,120
He has been the driving force,
792
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,800
been the focal point, the engineer.
793
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,480
The saint.
794
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,120
I had never seen anyone…
795
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,040
do that much good.
796
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,080
He kept it up,
797
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,560
never faltered.
798
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,160
I just, sort of… I probably loved him.
799
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,640
[laughter]
800
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,320
Prince Charles went to Stoke Mandeville
Hospital in Buckinghamshire today
801
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,560
to open a new unit.
802
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,560
[applause]
803
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,720
[reporter] Prince Charles wassupposed to come alone,
804
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,480
but when Princess Diana turned up as well,the patients were overjoyed.
805
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,560
For Jimmy Savile,who raised the money for the new hospital,
806
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,160
it was a moment of triumph.
807
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,480
[Prince Charles] When I think
that it cost £10 million…
808
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,320
How on earth do you raise
£10 million in three years?
809
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,280
[laughter, applause]
810
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,760
[reporter] "Easy," said Jimmy Savile,
811
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,320
pointing to the teamwho helped him raise the money.
812
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,520
[Sylvia Nicol] Diana came a lot of times
afterwards.
813
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,640
She came on her own. No-- Nobody with her.
814
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,160
[Christine Checkley] She would leave
all her security somewhere up the road.
815
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,320
Jim used to pick her up,
and she used to come to Stoke Mandeville
816
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,880
just to walk around with him.
817
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,400
She was very friendly with him.
818
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,560
There she is.
Why are you lurking over there?
819
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,200
Come here. Come here.
820
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,920
[reporter] Royalty seem to spendmuch of their time these days
821
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,720
being seen with Mr. Jimmy Savile OBE.
822
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,000
They were asking his opinion on things.
823
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,720
Asking his opin-- I used to say,
"I don't know who they think you are."
824
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,400
But they were.
825
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,160
[producer] How did you know?
826
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,720
'Cause we would see them,
or you'd hear them on the phone,
827
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,840
or they would come to Stoke.
828
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,920
[tense music playing]
829
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,320
[Christine Checkley] She said to me,
"What do you do with yourself all day?"
830
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,240
And Jim said, "Oh, they watch porn."
831
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560
I said, "Oh, if only I had the time,"
you know…
832
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,000
[giggles] …and she goes all blushed,
833
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,520
and you know that look she had.
834
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,800
She looked down,
and she started to giggle.
835
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,200
Things happened with Jim
that you accepted as almost normal,
836
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,840
but it was abnormal.
837
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,720
-[laughter]
-[cameras click]
838
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Ta-da!
839
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,840
[applause]
840
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,720
The Duke of Edinburgh jumped in it,
and he went off to the station.
841
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,520
And you've got all the outriders
and all the security absolutely petrified.
842
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,600
They were both like little boys,
Jim and the Duke of Edinburgh,
843
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,080
laughing their heads off.
844
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,680
I'm a cab driver today,
thank you very much indeed.
845
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,080
-I'm ex…
-[background chatter]
846
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600
I'm expecting a very good tip. Thank you.
847
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,160
[woman] Why such a close relationshipwith the royals?
848
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,560
What's your appeal for themand theirs for you?
849
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,240
[Savile] No-go area.
850
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,040
-Next.
-[woman] But there must be something.
851
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,000
You know the royals well,and you're close to them.
852
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,360
[Savile] Next.
853
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,040
[woman] No comment. Is that the secret?
854
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,720
[Savile] Next.
855
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,720
[woman] I was a journalist.
856
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,560
I worked at the Yorkshire Evening Post
as the Savile correspondent,
857
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,400
covering all his news
and charity fundraising antics.
858
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,200
He called me, as a joke,
his "head of media" or "good-news girl."
859
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,200
I did like him. We got on.
I looked forward to seeing him.
860
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,840
It was a thrill to see Jim'll Fix It,
sort of thing.
861
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,880
It was like seeing your childhood hero.
862
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,760
I did know a lot about him, really,
863
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,280
so I was asked by a book publisher
to write his biography.
864
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,640
This is research
I used for writing the book.
865
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,840
I've not been in here for years, actually.
866
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,320
So there's the book I wrote.
867
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,080
It was published in June 2012,
three months before the scandal erupted.
868
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,000
After the scandal,
I was shown all of this stuff.
869
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,040
Lots of letters here. He kept everything,
you know, meticulously.
870
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,440
So there's letters
from the royal family. They…
871
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,440
Including Prince Charles
and Princess Diana.
872
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,200
A letter to Jimmy Savile,
to his London flat, at Park Crescent.
873
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,240
Written on 4th July, 1991.
874
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,440
"Dear Jimmy,
I can't tell you how grateful I am
875
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,160
for the most useful assistance
you provided for my speech,
876
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:13,760
in the Guildhall the other day."
877
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,080
"It really was extremely good of you
878
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,080
to take the trouble
to put together those splendid notes,
879
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,960
and they provided me
with considerable food for thought."
880
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,160
"With renewed and heartfelt thanks,
yours ever, Charles."
881
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,280
"January 2nd, 1989,"
from the Prince of Wales to Jimmy.
882
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,960
"I can't remember
if I have written you a note recently
883
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,760
about morale-boosting visits to projects
that don't get enough attention."
884
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,400
"I have a dreadful feeling
the office doesn't consult you
885
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,280
before each program meeting."
886
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,040
He's asking his advice.
887
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Where should he go and visit?
Who should he see?
888
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,200
So he obviously valued Jimmy's opinion,
which is bizarre, really,
889
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,480
when he's got the big--
You know, the staff.
890
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,560
He's got advisers, and assistant advisers,
891
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,920
and, you know, a big team of people.
892
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,920
"April 1990."
Seeking Jimmy's advice about a speech.
893
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,080
"You are so good at understanding
what makes people operate
894
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,720
and wonderfully skeptical and practical."
895
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,560
"Can you cast an eye over this draft,
896
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,280
and let me know how we can best
appeal to people on this score?"
897
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,320
[horn beeps]
898
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,360
[horn beeps]
899
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,360
[Alison Bellamy] "January 14th, 1987."
900
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,320
"I so want to get to parts of the country
that others don't meet."
901
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,000
"What I really need
is a list of suggestions from you."
902
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,800
"Perhaps I am wrong, but you are the bloke
who knows what's going on."
903
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,160
-It's a few years since I was here.
-Aye.
904
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:39,400
My word, eh?
905
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,480
[Alison Bellamy]
He was still a man of the people.
906
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,560
[applause]
907
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,160
He knew the common folk.
908
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,200
The royal family, they're often seen
as stuffy and out of touch.
909
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,560
Charles had found his link
with the people of Britain.
910
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,880
[Savile] Honorary managers,
911
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,480
with all sincerity,
I've been looking forward to today
912
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,000
for some considerable time.
913
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,240
If only for one reason,
I'm getting more wages for today
914
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,240
than in all the time
I worked down the pit.
915
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,840
[laughter]
916
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,040
[applause]
917
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,560
I mean, there's-- It's not just
a couple, it's not just three or four,
918
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,000
there's absolutely loads--
There's files of it.
919
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,360
"December 22nd, 1989."
920
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,440
"I wonder if you would ever
be prepared to meet my sister-in-law,
921
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,840
the Duchess of York."
922
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,120
"I can't help feeling that it would be
extremely helpful to her if you could."
923
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,720
"I feel she could do with some
of your straightforward common sense."
924
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,800
Fifty-four minutes after they'd taken off,
925
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,840
without warning or distress signal,
926
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880
the airliner started
to disintegrate over Lockerbie.
927
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,240
[Alison Bellamy] "January 27th, 1989."
928
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,600
A month after the Lockerbie disaster.
929
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,120
This is Jimmy
giving PR advice to the royal family
930
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,760
about how to react publicly
when there's a major incident in Britain.
931
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,320
I suppose that, statistically,
932
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,880
something like this has got to happen
at some stage, on a town.
933
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,240
But of course, it only affects
the community in a very small way.
934
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,800
[Alison Bellamy] Jimmy advises
the Queen should be informed
935
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,560
in advance of any proposed action
by family members.
936
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,200
Jimmy suggests they should have
a coordinator, who is "a special person
937
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,320
with considerable experience
in such matters."
938
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,880
"There must be an incident room with
several independent phone lines, etc."
939
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,760
I mean, Jimmy is advising them
how to do it, what they should do,
940
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,560
what they should say,
should they say anything.
941
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,440
So Charles says to Jimmy,
"I attach a copy of my memo on disasters,
942
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,760
which incorporates your points,
and I showed to my father,
943
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,760
and he showed it to Her Majesty."
944
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,600
Jimmy had sent back to Charles
a five-part manualtitled
945
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,480
"Guidelines for members
of the Royal Family and their staff."
946
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,760
Jimmy seems to be a kind of unofficial
chief adviser to the Prince of Wales.
947
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,320
[reporter] Jimmy Savile,suitably gold-braided.
948
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,240
Big smile there for Prince Charles.
949
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,880
[cheering, whistling]
950
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,720
[Lord Butler] 1988.
951
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,320
Jimmy Savile was already an OBE.
952
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,200
There were two steps above that.
953
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,960
CBE. Commander of the British Empire.
954
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,360
The other is a knighthood.
Sir Jimmy Savile.
955
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,280
It represents a recognition
956
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,240
by the state,
by the Queen as head of state,
957
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,560
that you have done
958
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,400
very good public service
in the interest of the nation.
959
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,120
Margaret Thatcher
had started pressing for him
960
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,160
to get a knighthood in the early 1980s.
961
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,640
[Savile] It said in the magazine
the other day
962
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,040
that the only person
she listens to is Jimmy Savile,
963
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,920
which in itself is an oddity.
964
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,080
We'll go down and sit with the PM
over the Christmas period,
965
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,200
and I think that somebody like me
is invited into a family circle like that
966
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,720
because I'm not a political person,
967
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,760
and maybe she just wants
a bit away from politics over Christmas.
968
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,560
[man] What will you do over the weekend?
969
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840
Who knows? We might play games.
I don't know.
970
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,720
[Lord Butler] She had written,
"Please can Jimmy Savile be considered
971
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,000
for a knighthood?"
972
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,840
But there were suddenly
these revelations about his lifestyle.
973
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,240
They were in The Sun newspaper,
974
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,760
and they really were rather extraordinary.
975
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,160
"His is one of the most
familiar faces in Britain."
976
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,280
"But there is another side,
977
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,120
a dark side."
978
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,240
"It is of a ruthless,
calculating Jimmy Savile."
979
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,480
"'The people who work for me
call me the Godfather.'"
980
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,280
"'Nobody messes with the Godfather.'"
981
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000
"'He is the boss, the big man.'"
982
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
He wants to claim,
983
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,720
as well as the soft side,
this rather macho image.
984
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,920
They're such contrasts with each other.
985
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,280
"'If anyone misbehaved in my place,
they got a thick ear.'"
986
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,360
"'I said, let him lie there."
987
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,520
This is when somebody was being beaten up.
988
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,800
"Just make sure his eyes are closed,
989
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,160
and they went outside
and kicked his head in."
990
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,680
"They left him lying there concussed."
991
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:29,040
Well, this is quite a mile away
from the popular saint image,
992
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:35,000
and he himself is, as it were,
bringing it to public attention.
993
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,840
[continues reading]
"I had 107 pro fights as a wrestler,
994
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,560
and I never once lost my temper."
995
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,800
"I don't allow myself
the luxury of personal feelings."
996
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,280
"It's the same with my ladies."
997
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,080
"I like girls, plenty of them."
998
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,720
"Before I go out,
I write my telephone number
999
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,720
half a dozen times on bits of paper
and put them in my pocket."
1000
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,600
[Lord Butler] These revelations,
1001
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,840
The Sun describes them as
1002
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,080
"The dark side of Britain's top DJ,"
1003
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,360
and yet, it wasn't something
that they'd discovered,
1004
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,720
it was something that he seems to have…
1005
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,200
[hesitates]
1006
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,320
…volunteered.
1007
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,040
"Today, for the first time,
the real Jimmy Savile talks."
1008
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,520
He volunteers it.
1009
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,000
Um…
1010
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,640
It's very odd.
1011
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,360
[laughter]
1012
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,120
[woman] I know you usually get
breakfast in bed, but…
1013
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,600
-[giggling]
-Oh my goodness gracious!
1014
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,080
[Lord Butler] My predecessor was chair
of the Main Honours Committee.
1015
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,920
He said, "Mr. Savile
is a strange and complex man."
1016
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,280
"He deserves high praise,
but he has made no attempt to deny
1017
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,400
the accounts in the press
about his private life."
1018
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,040
"Why?"
1019
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,000
[Meirion Jones]
My contact with Duncroft School,
1020
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,160
and, in fact, Jimmy Savile,
really ended in about 1976.
1021
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,040
Duncroft then closed down,
and it was sold off to a developer.
1022
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,320
I got to university, became a journalist,
1023
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,080
and sort of invested my life in it.
1024
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,560
I mean, I always remembered
what I had seen back in the '70s.
1025
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,040
Looking at these cuttings from The Sun,
1026
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:28,280
it's billed as
"The dark side of Britain's top DJ."
1027
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,520
Actually, it's a dark side
that he can live with.
1028
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,880
Uh, it's not a dark side that's gonna
lead to him being prosecuted for anything.
1029
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,000
Gives an impression of him
as being hard but fair.
1030
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,640
By all accounts,
he was quite a tough character
1031
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,040
when he was running around in the clubs
many years earlier.
1032
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,080
Something about lots of different women.
1033
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:51,520
Bit of a lad.
1034
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,400
But nothing illegal.
1035
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,880
These are safe confessions
for him to be associated with,
1036
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,880
and perhaps he then
gets rid of the reporters.
1037
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,440
He's giving them something.
1038
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,120
He's giving the tabloid press
something that will sell papers.
1039
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,200
He's coughed. He's admitted.
1040
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,080
We don't need to look at him anymore.
We can put him away in a box.
1041
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,520
He was very good at distracting people.
1042
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,560
Talk about cuties. Hello, again.
1043
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,160
-Hello. How are you?
-Jimmy's our guest of the day.
1044
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,400
Oh my God.
1045
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,880
-[Selina Scott] Don't look at me like that.
-What's that?
1046
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,320
He's done it
to every woman on the program so far.
1047
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,640
Have you bought
your Christmas presents yet?
1048
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,160
I haven't bought
a Christmas present in the last 20 years
1049
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,800
because I don't have anybody
to buy Christmas presents for.
1050
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,240
Come on. We'll play the violins
in a minute.
1051
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,040
Where are you going for Christmas?
1052
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,920
I haven't made my mind up yet.
Where are you going to go for Christmas?
1053
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,640
-I shall be in the North.
-Will you?
1054
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Will you be in the North?
1055
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,440
-I haven't made my mind up yet.
-Do you want to come round for tea?
1056
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,960
When I was working on breakfast TV,
I knew instinctively what my role was.
1057
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,600
Do you have a family Christmas?
1058
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,880
I haven't got any family.
I'm a single man.
1059
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,960
[giggles]
1060
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,600
[Selina Scott] A bit of glamour.
1061
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,320
The pressures on a woman,
at that time, were immense.
1062
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,840
How could anybody
get tired sitting next to you?
1063
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,600
Any, um, plans for the future, Jimmy?
Are you doing any more fundraising?
1064
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,600
Stick with it, girl. That's it.
1065
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,760
He was odd,
but, you see, he made people laugh,
1066
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,720
and it's a gift to make people laugh.
1067
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,280
And television studios
are desperate for light entertainment.
1068
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,200
Isn't he rude?
1069
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,880
All this schmooze in the morning.
it's really-- I'm unused to it.
1070
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,520
-Lots of schmooze.
-[Frank Bough] His heart rate is rising.
1071
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,240
I'd run like mad. You were very rubbery.
1072
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,280
You're very limber.
Is that 'cause you do--
1073
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:46,760
Oh dear. This…
1074
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,680
I hear tell
the women absolutely besiege you
1075
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,960
at the end of these marathon runs,
these charity runs. Is it true?
1076
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,120
Well, with cooling drinks.
1077
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,560
It's excruciating.
1078
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,560
-TLC.
-[Savile groans]
1079
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,760
[Selina Scott] See? You see?
1080
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,520
Look at the effect you have on women.
1081
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,120
[hesitates] I was as much
an actor in this as he was.
1082
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,160
-And that's…
-[Savile on TV] None whatsoever.
1083
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,280
That's embarrassing.
1084
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,200
-You train with girls?
-Afraid so, yes.
1085
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,240
They're faster than me,
so they run in front of me,
1086
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,240
therefore the pain is intense,
but the view is magnificent.
1087
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,480
[laughter]
1088
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,040
-Jimmy Savile.
-What?
1089
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,440
You always had a marble body?
1090
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,880
And I'm doing the Diana thing,
under the fringe,
1091
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,440
and encouraging this
for as much as it's worth.
1092
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Yes. Why are you hiding
beneath this sleeping bag?
1093
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,520
If I might ask you, Selina,
1094
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,520
if you could hold that hand
with one of your hands, please?
1095
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,040
-I see something opening--
-This one. No.
1096
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,640
I'll make certain
he doesn't step out of line.
1097
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,600
[Selina Scott] Right, okay.
1098
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,240
I know millions of fellas…
1099
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,400
I knew this was going to come!
Jimmy Savile!
1100
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,440
…who wish to hold hands
with Selina Scott in their sleeping bags!
1101
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,400
-Oh, you are a… You're a…
-[Savile] Ah!
1102
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,040
I knew that was gonna happen.
1103
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,920
If this guy was walking down the street,
you wouldn't want to speak to him.
1104
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,040
Or you might be
even afraid to speak to him.
1105
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,600
[laughter]
1106
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:01,520
[Selina Scott] Right.
1107
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,320
I know a lot of fellas who wish
1108
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,960
Selina Scott would pinch
their sleeping bags from them!
1109
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,240
[Selina Scott] You'd think
he might be slightly dangerous,
1110
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,640
something odd about him.
1111
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,440
But, of course,
once he's sitting there on the sofa,
1112
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,280
then he's made human.
1113
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,080
[Selina Scott] The man of the moment
is David Icke.
1114
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,120
The World Open
Squash Championship in Munich
1115
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,360
has been won by Jahangir Khan of Pakistan.
1116
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,880
Have you ever tried squash?
1117
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,240
-I've tried squeeze…
-Yeah.
1118
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,080
…and press but never squash.
1119
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,560
[Selina Scott] He was trying to emit
this kind of sexuality.
1120
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,600
[laughter]
1121
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,280
[Selina Scott]
It wasn't raw sexuality at all.
1122
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,760
Cost you one kiss in public.
1123
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,080
-[Selina Scott] Would it?
-Yes.
1124
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,320
Oh God.
1125
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,680
-[laughter]
-[kisses]
1126
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,360
I know what I was thinking
looking at him there.
1127
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,240
It's a totally different experience
when you're sitting at home
1128
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:53,680
looking at this set.
1129
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,360
[Savile] Doctor, please, save me
from the attentions of this piranha woman.
1130
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,760
It's a weird-- It's…
1131
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,760
[scoffs]
1132
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,600
It's like I'm a liar.
Like I'm sitting here telling fibs.
1133
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,640
And the truth is very different,
'cause a camera never lies, does it?
1134
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,240
A camera never lies.
1135
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,640
So what I'm looking at here
1136
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,040
is something totally different
from what I actually felt at the time.
1137
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,680
So the camera does lie.
1138
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,520
You know, if the camera never lies,
1139
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,600
then the camera
would have picked up on him years ago.
1140
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:30,920
Yep.
1141
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,560
Yes, it's the biggest liar.
1142
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,200
The most influential liar.
1143
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,000
People are doing it wrong. They work
until they're 65, then they retire.
1144
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,760
And I'm looking forward
to getting a job when I'm 65.
1145
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,440
I'm going to be a--
Maybe a caretaker in a girls' school
1146
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,000
or something like that, and…
1147
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,280
[clears throat] He's laughing again.
1148
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,440
[Selina Scott] Look how everyone
reacts positively towards Jimmy Savile.
1149
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520
And if you want to see
more of Jim's work first-hand,
1150
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,880
I had a wonderful day
at Stoke Mandeville recently.
1151
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,240
Thanks for being with us.
1152
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,800
-God bless you.
-Thanks, Jim.
1153
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,720
[Selina Scott] Television protects itself.
1154
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,680
Television can construct
its own performance
1155
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,560
and carry on doing it
over and over and over again, to applause,
1156
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,560
and there's nothing that can stop it.
1157
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,680
Everybody here
will go along with me in saying
1158
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,920
that you do a terrific job,
really marvelous.
1159
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,080
No, that's all front. That's all lies.
1160
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,920
[laughter]
1161
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,160
Talking of where we are,
how was 1987 for you?
1162
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,560
Every day was Christmas,
every night was a birthday,
1163
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,359
and my case comes up next Thursday.
1164
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,520
[laughter]
1165
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,000
[applause]
1166
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,439
[applause fades]
1167
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,080
[Lord Butler] Margaret Thatcher
wasn't giving up.
1168
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,520
A recommendation
for a knighthood for Jimmy Savile.
1169
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,720
She wonders, "how many more times
his name is to be pushed aside."
1170
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,120
[marching band playing]
1171
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,240
[Lord Butler] Summer of 1990,
1172
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,800
he was included on the last list
1173
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,920
that Margaret Thatcher
put forward to the Queen
1174
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,560
before she ceased to be prime minister.
1175
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,880
There was still a feeling of unease.
1176
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:27,240
Are we, if we give him the highest honor
that the system can provide,
1177
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,160
um, are we going to…
1178
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,359
Are we going to live to regret it?
1179
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,880
[reporter] From now on, it should beSir Jim who'll have to fix it.
1180
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,720
Jimmy Savile's been at Buckingham Palace,where he was knighted by the Queen.
1181
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,600
I'm up on a cloud.
1182
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,560
Can you tell me where I am
and can you tell me who I am?
1183
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,000
-[man] You're Sir James Savile.
-Am I really?
1184
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,920
So it was no mistake, after all?
1185
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:51,640
No mistake.
1186
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:54,120
[Lynn Barber]
He'd just been given a knighthood.
1187
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,880
-No, it really is mine.
-You sure?
1188
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,520
It is mine, I'm telling you.
1189
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,560
Tell him it's mine. It is mine.
He thought I'd nicked it.
1190
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,560
I said, "Can I come and interview you?"
and he said, "Yes."
1191
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,640
He was still sort of buzzing.
1192
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,080
Sir James? No, just a minute,
he's not here. Hang on a sec.
1193
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,160
[posh voice] Hello?
1194
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,160
[Lynn Barber] The fact he got a knighthood
was sort of guarantee of respectability.
1195
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,800
I went to his pokey little flat,
near the BBC.
1196
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,360
I had decided that I must
try and ask whether he likes little girls,
1197
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,000
but, you know, couldn't work out how.
1198
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,680
Actually, he gave it me
on a plate, in a way,
1199
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,520
because he said
that getting the knighthood was a relief.
1200
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,600
And I said, "Why was it a relief?"
1201
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,000
And he said, "Oh, 'cause, you know,
there's always been these nasty rumors."
1202
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,200
And so then I was able to say,
1203
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,800
"You mean the rumor
that you like little girls?"
1204
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,600
Still, I was nervous when I told him,
1205
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,160
"What people say
is that you like little girls."
1206
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,200
"He reacted with a flurry
of funny-voice, Jimmy Savile patter,
1207
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,240
which is what he does
when he's getting his bearings."
1208
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,680
"Ah, now, sure. Now then, now then."
1209
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,000
"First of all, I happen to be
in the pop business, which is teenagers,
1210
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,480
that's number one."
1211
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,000
"So when I go anywhere,
it's the young ones that come round me."
1212
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,360
"Now, what the tabloids don't realize
1213
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:26,760
is that the young girls in question
don't gather round me because of me,
1214
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,840
it's because I know
the people they love, the stars."
1215
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,280
[whooping]
1216
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,320
♪ The locomotion ♪
1217
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,640
♪ The locomotion ♪
1218
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,480
♪Everybody's doin'A brand new dance now ♪
1219
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,880
♪ Come on, baby, do the locomotion… ♪
1220
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:47,600
[Lynn Barber] I…
1221
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,760
I thought he answered the question well.
1222
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,240
[cheering]
1223
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,680
[Lynn Barber] I thought,
"Oh yes, that explains it."
1224
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,880
"If they know it,
why haven't they published it?"
1225
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,480
"The Sun or The News of the World
would hardly refuse the chance
1226
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,080
of featuring a Jimmy Savile sex scandal."
1227
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,480
"The fact that the tabloids
have never come up
1228
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,600
with a scintilla of evidence
against Jimmy Savile
1229
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,080
is as near proof as you can ever get."
1230
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:16,720
-[kisses]
-[Savile] Ah!
1231
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,920
Ladies and gentlemen,
what else can we say?
1232
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,640
Look after yourselves for the whole week,
1233
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,720
and see you for some more
Jim'll Fix It next week. Bye-bye!
1234
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,800
♪ Your letter is only the start of it ♪
1235
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,760
♪ One letter… ♪
1236
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,280
[producer] What was the reaction
to your article when it was published?
1237
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,080
[Lynn Barber] Well, I was quite told off
by quite a lot of readers, saying,
1238
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,480
"This wonderful man who does all this work
for charity and is now a knight,
1239
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,520
and you dare to ask him
if he likes little girls?"
1240
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,200
You know,
people were offended by the question.
1241
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,080
There was a feeling it was sort of cheeky.
1242
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,640
Never knew anyone who did that much good.
1243
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:56,800
Simple as that.
1244
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:02,200
[studio applause]
1245
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,520
["This is Your Life" theme playing]
1246
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,400
Well, Sir James Wilson Savile OBE,
this is your life.
1247
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,480
I should say "lives"
because you are a man of many faces.
1248
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,880
Here tonight, as you will have observed,
are friends and colleagues.
1249
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,640
Roger Ordish, producer of Jim'll Fix It,
1250
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,040
you have a closer insight than most people
into the real Jimmy Savile.
1251
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,520
-I think so, but you can't be sure.
-[Savile] Goodbye.
1252
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,360
I know this much, my wife, Susie,
is chief letter reader on Jim'll Fix It,
1253
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:33,720
and the fact that she gets through
about 250,000 of them a year
1254
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,520
is proof, I think,
not only of the popularity of the program,
1255
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,680
but the high regard people have
for the man himself.
1256
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,280
There is one hospital that has
a special place in your affections,
1257
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:45,680
Stoke Mandeville Hospital.
1258
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,160
[woman] Hi there, Jimmy.
Thanks for everything.
1259
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,880
Here's a message
from just a few of your friends here.
1260
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,440
-Well done, Jimmy.
-[Savile] The team!
1261
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,920
How's about that, then?
1262
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,560
[Savile laughs] The team!
1263
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,000
Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
1264
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,160
She's asked me
to read this personal message to you.
1265
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,600
"So many great Britons have had
a touch of eccentricity about them,
1266
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,240
and Jimmy is truly a great Briton."
1267
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,280
"Miner, wrestler, disc jockey,
hospital porter, fundraiser,
1268
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,120
and knight of the realm,
1269
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,520
Jimmy, I and millions more salute you."
1270
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,160
Signed, "Margaret Thatcher."
1271
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,000
[applause]
1272
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,560
[suspenseful music playing]
1273
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,360
[man] Of the many things that you are,what would hurt most if you lost it,
1274
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:35,840
or it was taken away from you?
1275
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,520
[Savile] Oh, uh, freedom.
1276
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:39,320
[man] Freedom?
1277
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,960
[Savile] Yeah.I've got the freedomto do pretty well anything… now.
1278
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,280
[man] What do you do?What is it that really gives you a kick?
1279
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,520
[Savile] You don't know.You are constrained by certain things.
1280
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,040
I'm not in your world.
1281
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,880
I'm not constrained,pretty well, by anything.
1282
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:06,520
[sinister music playing]
1283
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,400
[sing-song] La-la la-la la-la,
ho-ho ho-ho…
1284
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:12,440
[Savile] The tough thing in lifeis ultimate freedom.
1285
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,200
[sing-song]Ho-ho ho-ho ho-ho…
1286
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,080
That's when the battle starts.
1287
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,040
Because you've got to be very strongto stand for ultimate freedom.
1288
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,240
[Savile] Has anybody…
seen Jimmy Savile anywhere?
1289
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,320
[children shout] Over there!
1290
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,240
[Savile] But I'm alone in the world now.
1291
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,360
But I'm quite happybecause I borrow everybody else.
1292
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,800
I borrow their joys.I borrow their sorrows.
1293
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:38,920
I've got 56 million peoplein this country,
1294
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,360
and the countryis like a big front room to me.
1295
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,520
So I'm quite happy with them,
1296
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,080
and it would appearthat they are quite happy with me.
1297
01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:00,040
[Lynn Barber] Insofar as my articlehad any importance,
1298
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,560
it was the first timethat this had actually been in print.
1299
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,360
You know, I'd sort of launchedthat idea on the world, as it were.
1300
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:12,080
This was a key moment.
1301
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,960
When I read that interview
that Lynn Barber had done,
1302
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,680
she was the best interviewer
in the business at that point,
1303
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:19,920
I just thought, "Ooh."
1304
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,880
Suddenly, she's mentioning
these pedophile rumors.
1305
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,480
It's there in black and white.
1306
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,760
It turns out, of course,
1307
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,040
this was far more horrific
than I could ever have imagined.
1308
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,120
[tape rewinds]
1309
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:38,200
-[woman] He fooled everyone.
-The scale of it…
1310
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,680
-He groomed an entire nation.
-This is the stuff of a horror movie.
1311
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,720
[sinister music playing]
1312
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,200
[Meirion Jones] From that moment on,
I was ears open.
1313
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,600
What was the real story
about Jimmy Savile?
1314
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,480
[tape recorder clicking]
1315
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,720
[woman] This interviewis being tape-recorded.
1316
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,920
I'm Detective Constable
[bleep] from Surrey Police.
1317
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,680
[Savile] I'm proud that, in 83 years,I have never ever done anything wrong.
1318
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,200
[detective] Are you sexually attractedto girls under 16?
1319
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,280
[Savile] Impossible and untrue!
1320
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,040
[detective] Have you eversexually assaulted any girl
1321
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,600
under the age of 16?
1322
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,240
[Savile] Never! Never.
1323
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,160
Out of the question. Never 'appened.
1324
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,880
This is starting to soundlike the Mad Hatter's tea party, this.
1325
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,960
["Take a Heart" playing]
1326
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,080
♪ First you take a heart ♪
1327
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,840
♪ Then you break a heart ♪
1328
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,440
♪ But before you do ♪
1329
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,200
♪ You make it fall for you ♪
1330
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,800
♪ Then you give it back ♪
1331
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,640
♪ Ahh, you shouldn't do that ♪
1332
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,120
♪ You seen me walk that floor ♪
1333
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,920
♪ Just a-thinking of you ♪
1334
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,400
♪ You seen me walk that floor, baby ♪
1335
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,680
♪ Right out of my shoes ♪
1336
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,200
♪ Somebody help me, please ♪
1337
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,480
♪ Tell me what to do ♪
1338
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,440
♪ Just send an SOS ♪
1339
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,600
♪ Yeah, my heart's in distress ♪
1340
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,200
♪ Won't somebody please… ♪
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