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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:12,040 [applause] 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,600 Ladies and gentlemen, it so happens that 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,640 I've spent the greater part of my life fixing things for people, you see. 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,920 So the BBC decided, why not put it all on film? 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,760 Which is why we call it Jim'll Fix It, 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,960 'cause we've been getting all sorts of letters. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,360 We've got about 9,000 letters up to press. 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:32,960 -Go on. -"Dear Jim." 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:39,680 "Please will you fix it to fly like Peter Pan." 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,760 [Savile] You want to fly around with Peter Pan? 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,400 [magical music playing] 12 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:46,320 [whooping, cheering] 13 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,160 [Savile] But we did it, 'cause there's nothing we can't do. 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,040 [man 1] As a child, you just thought, "This guy can make things happen." 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 [Savile] "Dear Jimmy, I have one person in life who I would love to meet." 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,120 "He is Captain Kirk of the program Star Trek." 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,080 Welcome aboard The Enterprise. 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,200 [Savile] "Dear Jim, please could you fix it…" 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,600 [children's voices overlap] "Dear Jim, please could you fix it…" 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,160 …20,000 letters a week. 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,680 If you misbehave at the BBC, they put you on opening the Jim'll Fix It mail. 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,400 [laughter] 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Come along, folks. 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,720 [reporter] Jimmy Savile can't help attracting his own special kind 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,880 of private pandemonium. 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,200 [man 2] Jimmy Savile is public property. 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,880 Our Jim. 28 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,920 [woman 1] I had never seen anyone 29 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:42,720 do that much good. 30 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:47,680 How on earth do you raise £10 million in three years? 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,480 [woman 2] Everyone was bedazzled by him. 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,480 He was like a conjurer. 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,040 He mesmerized people. 34 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,240 We trusted him. 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,280 -There we go. -That's lovely, Jim. 36 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,240 Can I thank you for everything you do, for every good cause. 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,840 [suspenseful music playing] 38 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:13,040 [static crackling] 39 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,760 [screaming, cheering] 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,360 This is the legendary Jimmy Savile. 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,840 [static crackling] 42 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,080 [man 1] We've received over 400 lines of information from the public. 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,480 We are investigating major crime here. 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,360 We've got this case, which is really quite extraordinary if it's true. 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,560 [man 2] Stephen King would struggle to come up with something like this. 46 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,880 [woman 1] It is disturbing and horrible. 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,840 [man 3] He was at it from 1955 to 2009. 48 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,000 [man 4] What that man did was just so, so wrong. 49 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,400 The allegations are completely appalling 50 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,560 and, I think, are shocking the entire country. 51 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,360 [woman 2] Why did it take that long for this to all come out? 52 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,960 [man 5] All the clues were there, in plain sight. 53 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,160 [Savile] I never, ever thought that I was clever. 54 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,600 Tricky, yes. I'm a very tricky fella. 55 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:43,600 If you are clever, you can slip up. 56 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,600 You never slip up if you're tricky. 57 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,640 [inhales] 58 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,600 Big question I get asked is, "When did it all start?" 59 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,000 That's the pop scene of mine. And "Why?" 60 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,920 And it all started-- very quickly, I won't bore you-- 61 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,200 uh, some years ago, 62 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:26,680 when I wondered what to do, and I wasn't quite sure what to do. 63 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,240 So I started working things out for myself. 64 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,360 "I'll work it the other way around." 65 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,200 "Instead of thinking of something to do, i.e. a job, 66 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,400 I will work out the things that I like and the things that suit me, 67 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,040 I'll see if there's any jobs around those things." 68 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:48,560 "I like lights. I like records, pop music." 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,280 "I like girls." 70 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,160 [gentle guitar music playing] 71 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,280 [man 1] Jimmy Savile was such a well-known figure in Britain, 72 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,800 it's very difficult now to imagine just who he was. 73 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,760 [host] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. 74 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,480 Welcome to the Poll Winners Concert here at Wembley. 75 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,080 [cheering] 76 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,760 [man 1] He'd been there since everybody's childhood. 77 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:24,240 It seemed like he'd never been anywhere else. 78 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,520 A man who you have voted Britain's top disc jockey, 79 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,520 ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Savile! 80 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,840 [cheering, whistling] 81 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,520 Morning, ladies and gentlemen. 82 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,320 Let's just have a little look. 83 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,800 How's about, keep the ball rolling, no time for talking, music all the way, 84 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,760 and we are now very, very honored 85 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:57,400 to present to you somebody we know very well as… 86 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Let's hear it for The Rolling Stones! 87 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,160 -[cheering] -Hello. 88 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,600 [cheering, whistling] 89 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Bow to the Queen. 90 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,920 [man 2] He was strange, but we knew he was strange. 91 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,200 Britain's most popular disc jockey for the second year in succession, 92 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:20,120 Jimmy Savile. 93 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,680 [tense music playing] 94 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,840 [man 2] That was part of his appeal to people, 95 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,440 that he was an unusual character. 96 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,080 Top disc jockey again, fourth year in succession, very fine of you. 97 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Got the award here. Look in your radio sets to see what it's all about. 98 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,880 How about that? Isn't that marvelous? Thanks a lot. A million thanks. 99 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,320 I think it's obviously because the people of this country have got great taste 100 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,040 and discernment, 101 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,440 and they can tell a good thing when they see one. 102 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,840 [hums a tune] 103 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,560 [man 3] Famously, a lot of radio broadcasters 104 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,600 could not adapt to TV. 105 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,440 -Shall I tell you something? -Yes. 106 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,160 -You're on the telly, look. -Ooh, no. 107 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,600 Yes, you are, and there's millions of people watching you as well. 108 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,520 Yeah. 109 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,640 [man 3] Savile, he did have skill as a broadcaster. 110 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,920 I'd sort of forgotten about that 111 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,800 or chosen to ignore it because of the later depravity. 112 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,280 One of the difficult things on television is to get nice, lovely, ordinary people 113 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,680 to be natural when you shove a camera at them. 114 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,640 Just round this corner, in actual fact, is Auntie Nora's fish shop, 115 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,040 and she's got a great theory about lady fish and gentlemen fish. 116 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,040 Good morning. 117 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,920 [Mark Lawson] Most broadcasters wore their Sunday best, 118 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,320 got their hair cut, and spoke in a quite posh way. 119 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,840 [Savile] Where's Auntie Nora? Good morning, sweetheart. How's things? 120 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,600 -Oh, all right, love. -Give us a kiss, baby. How are you? 121 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,680 I'm all right, love, now I've seen you. You've made my day. 122 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,600 -Have I? -Yeah. 123 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,120 [Mark Lawson] Jimmy Savile, a working-class former miner, 124 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,400 and, crucially, northerner. 125 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,720 Northern voices are regarded as more authentic in Britain. 126 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,000 Should've had my hair done, shouldn't I? 127 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,040 [Mark Lawson] Warmth. 128 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,400 You're on telly. 129 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,240 -[Mark Lawson] Trustworthiness. -How lovely. 130 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,920 Ah, this is lovely. 131 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,560 Can you tell everyone on the television 132 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,320 the difference between a lady fish and a gentleman? 133 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,400 Gentlemen fish has a tail on the end-- 134 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,320 -[Savile] Right. -A lady has just a little flat piece. 135 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,120 -Just a little flat piece? -Hey, give up. He's taking-- 136 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,679 [Jimmy laughs] 137 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:40,159 [applause, laughter] 138 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,520 [Mark Lawson] He understood that there was a connection you could have 139 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,720 with people through a TV screen. 140 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,080 You stay there. Put the camera on her legs, and I'll drink my tea. 141 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,000 -There you go. There we go. -[laughter] 142 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,400 So, we've got to go. Any time now they'll be pulling the plug out, 143 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,880 and we'll disappear from view. 144 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,720 [sound on TV] So we'll see you next week. God bless… 145 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,800 [Mark Lawson] A man of the people is allowed near the people. 146 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Terrible, terrible things happened because of that. 147 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:14,280 [Savile] The hair is, you might say, a gimmick. 148 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,440 I call it smoke screen. 149 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:22,400 Being easily recognizable, with all the hair and things like that, 150 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,280 immediately people see you, they switch on to who you are, 151 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:33,040 and because of image on television, 99.999%, 152 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,720 and I haven't met the other .1% yet, people are very friendly. 153 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,400 [man] Right, quiet please. We're on the clock. 154 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,760 [applause] 155 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,720 Ten, nine, eight, 156 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,840 seven, six, 157 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,720 five, four, three… 158 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,600 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Top of the Pops. 159 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,720 ["Nut Rocker" playing] 160 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,280 [song continues through TV] 161 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,360 I'm on this one. 162 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,920 [chuckles] 163 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,480 [song continues] 164 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:05,400 There I am. 165 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,680 In green. Pale green. 166 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:16,240 [song continues] 167 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,280 I started working at the BBC in 1971. 168 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,720 The first thing I wanted to do was go to Top of the Pops. 169 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,000 I was 19. I had my diary full of girls who wanted to come with me. 170 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,240 I used to book the tickets with a certain department. 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,520 I'd put down, "Please could I go when Jim was there." 172 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,800 He was just completely unique. 173 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,480 We're just having a little game from upstairs, 174 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,200 to see which camera they can catch me on, but they can't catch me. 175 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,760 I've got eyes all over the head. At 17 in the Hit Parade, 176 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,320 would you believe, it's the one and only Mr Stevie Wonder. 177 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,000 It's called, "He's Misstra Know-It-All," and it's coming up any second now. 178 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,920 They're trying to catch me out, you see. 179 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 [Tina Davey] If you were on Top of the Pops with Jimmy Savile… 180 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,240 ♪ Where's your mama gone? ♪ 181 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,520 …it was awesome. It was a magic world. 182 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,160 ♪ Little baby Don ♪ 183 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,760 ♪ Little baby Don ♪ 184 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,200 ♪ Far, far away… ♪ 185 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,240 [Savile] How about if I jump round like this 186 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,120 and I say to you that, right behind me, 187 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,480 it's "Down on the Beach Tonight" with the one and only The Drifters! 188 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:26,400 [applause] 189 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,520 ["Down on the Beach Tonight" playing] 190 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,440 ♪ Hey, honey ♪ 191 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,160 ♪ You know you're too young To break your heart over one guy… ♪ 192 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,200 [Tina Davey] Jim was the top, top man. 193 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,080 ♪ Say you'll meet me Down on the beach tonight ♪ 194 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,520 ♪ Where you and I could dance… ♪ 195 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,760 He knew everybody. 196 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,440 The Rolling Stones. 197 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,480 The Beatles. 198 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,040 He was always keen to talk about… 199 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,920 [Savile] The four Beatles and myself, we had to do a sketch. 200 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,200 They were mountaineers, 201 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,720 and I was an abominable snowman, 202 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,720 dressed in a big, hairy, shaggy-looking thing. 203 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,240 And I captured The Beatles, one by one, and ate them. 204 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,960 ♪ We're gonna have an all-night party… ♪ 205 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,160 [Tina Davey] When I knew him, he was 40, 45. 206 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Smart, intelligent. 207 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,160 He headed up so many programs in the BBC. 208 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,040 Welcome, indeed, to the first of 19 programs for childminders. 209 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,600 ♪ You know it had to end ♪ 210 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,560 ♪ You might as well come down and have… ♪ 211 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,120 [Tina Davey] I saw an advertisement to work on one of Jim's programs. 212 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,800 Even though I was just a secretary there, 213 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,360 he didn't treat me like I was just someone who had typed a letter or something. 214 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,480 He got me. 215 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,240 He's very, very intuitive. 216 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:56,880 Which means 217 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,800 he understood everyone. 218 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:05,360 [uneasy music playing] 219 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,360 It was magic to listen to his stories. 220 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,320 He used to come into the office, 221 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,480 started telling us how he was at Buckingham Palace. 222 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,120 Stay onboard. Get inside. 223 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Get inside because we mustn't keep HRH waiting, as it 'appens. 224 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,520 [sing-song] Hi-he hi-he hi. 225 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,120 And it's the big house, which the… 226 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,560 It's like in old, whitish stone, all right? 227 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,760 [uneasy music playing] 228 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,080 [Tina Davey] He was a very clever man. 229 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,160 He knew that fame bought power. 230 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,680 [reporter] Investiture at Buckingham Palace, London. 231 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,760 The well-known disc jockey, Jimmy Savile, received the OBE. 232 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,240 -One more time. -[man] Jim! 233 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,560 -How about that, then? -Jim, look over here now. 234 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,160 [Tina Davey] His level of fame 235 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:12,280 gave him every door open. 236 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,160 He wanted his fame to go beyond anything and anybody. 237 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,280 [producer] So he didn't talk about his emotional life? 238 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,480 He didn't have one. 239 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,680 He didn't have-- He wasn't emotional about anything. 240 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,440 He told me, it was the most profound statement, 241 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,640 "I'm a machine." 242 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,640 And he was. 243 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,360 The only time, 244 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,440 one-and-only time, I saw him show any emotion, 245 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,120 he had lost his mum. 246 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,320 I said to him, "I'm so sorry." 247 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:01,920 He did cry. 248 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,360 Never seen it since or before. 249 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,960 Deep down, he wasn't on the same road as a lot of us, 250 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:17,000 in terms of boyfriends, girlfriends, moving on to husband, wife, and children. 251 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,880 He really wasn't in that road. 252 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,840 [cheering] 253 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,320 [host] And he's here again, Jimmy Savile! 254 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,040 [cheering, whistling] 255 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:37,800 [rock music playing] 256 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,720 [Tina Davey] He didn't talk about his personal life. 257 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,920 [cheering, whistling] 258 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,560 He was a complete… 259 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,720 [screaming] 260 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,160 …enigma. 261 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,960 [suspenseful music playing] 262 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,400 This is the final program in the present series 263 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,840 about paperbacks out in your shops this week. 264 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,800 Jimmy Savile OBE has just brought out this book, 265 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,200 Love is an Uphill Thing, and is sitting beside me. 266 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,520 I enjoyed it enormously. 267 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,280 Did you make up your mind to be totally honest? 268 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,600 Were there things you weren't going to say? 269 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,480 The bits that I didn't say 270 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,360 are only those which I forgot, which I've got enough for another book. 271 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,720 I like writing. I think-- I call it the magic of the empty page. 272 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,120 Which is a tremendous thing because you can make people laugh, 273 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,760 you can make them cry, 274 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,880 you can make them happy, sad, whichever. 275 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,360 I think that's a tremendous power, that you've got a hand, a pen, 276 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,000 and an empty page, and you can do anything with people. 277 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,000 To my mind, the best part of the book is the anecdotes, which were very funny, 278 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,040 and I hope in the next one you're going to tell a lot of anecdotes. 279 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,560 I'd probably finish up doing about 15 years in the nick if I did that. 280 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,240 -[man] It's worth suffering. -[Savile laughs] 281 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,960 -[host] Jacky? -The other thing-- 282 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,760 Yes, I enjoyed the anecdotes, but I did feel 283 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,520 that I still didn't really know you at the end of the book. I felt as though-- 284 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,240 [Savile] What are you doing after the show? 285 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:09,440 [chuckles] 286 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,400 -[host] I think that shocked-- -Come on. Don't sidestep. 287 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:13,760 Um… 288 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,599 Do you-- I felt as though you described a person that we, the public, know. 289 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:19,599 -[Savile] Yes. -Um… 290 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,599 Is there a private core you really don't want us to know about? 291 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,680 No, not at all. Not at all. Uh… 292 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,359 I have no ego trip that I keep things secret from anybody. 293 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,760 I don't think, for instance, that people are really bothered about me personally. 294 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Thank you all very much for all your letters. 295 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,960 We'll be back some time with more books. Goodnight. 296 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:38,920 Thank you. 297 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,760 [background chatter] 298 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,520 [silence] 299 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,080 [high-pitched tone] 300 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,080 [gentle music playing] 301 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,000 [Savile] I've managed all my life strictly on my own, as a one-man band. 302 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,800 I've got no agent, no manager, no secretary, no… Nothing. 303 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,360 [man] Where do you live? 304 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,520 -[Savile] Anywhere. -You must live somewhere. 305 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,240 [Savile] It's all the same to me, whether I wake up under a hedge, 306 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,840 or in strange surroundings. 307 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,920 [man] You must have a definite pad of your own. 308 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,800 [Savile] Oh, I've got several pads, yes, but I consider them, uh, bases. 309 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,880 I've got bases scattered all over the country. 310 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,480 Houses, flats, and things like that. And I slide about and, uh… 311 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,400 I don't ever think of where I'm going or what I'm doing, really. 312 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,320 [siren blares] 313 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,600 [Savile] I work two days a week as a porter at Leeds Infirmary. 314 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,600 Just as a porter. Not as a special porter, 315 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,920 not as an odd porter, a peculiar porter, just a porter. 316 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,640 And it's really wonderful. 317 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,760 I work in various departments. 318 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,080 There will be a patient on ward 21 has to be carried to be X-rayed, 319 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,480 so I take a trolley and go shovel 'em into bed, 320 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,480 then all day ferrying backwards and forwards. 321 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,200 One, two, three, up we go. 322 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,280 There's marvelous chat you get on the wards. 323 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,800 When I go into a women's ward with my trolley, 324 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,280 to take someone down to X-ray or theater, and I say, 325 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,560 "Who's a lucky girl today, then?" 326 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,520 And this is a payoff of having a well-known face. 327 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,440 Are you warm? 328 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,040 -[patient] Mm-hm. -All right? 329 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Away, Joseph. Let us away to the woods. 330 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,120 [woman] Did you start it off as a gimmick? 331 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,840 [Savile] If it is, it's the world's longest-running gimmick. 332 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,280 [man 1] I think we must press you a little more on this. 333 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,360 You chose this section of the population, 334 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,600 and I don't think you've told us quite why. 335 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:42,800 [uneasy music playing] 336 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,160 [man 2] Working in the hospitals, 337 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,920 that seemed to be a great thing. 338 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,160 He was prepared to push a trolley and go out with the ambulance. 339 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,280 [cheering] 340 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,800 His charity work 341 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,160 obviously went down very well 342 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,800 because people thought, "He's putting a bit back in." 343 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,760 -Hang on! -Jimmy! 344 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,160 See you later. See you later, my friends. 345 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,080 [reporter] Day two of Savile's run begins at the foot of a long, long hill 346 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,080 out of Brampton. 347 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,800 -Morning, Jimmy. -Morning, my friend, Martin. How are you? 348 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,080 -How are you feeling, more to the point? -Hundred percent. 349 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,240 Seriously, Jimmy… 350 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,760 [continues on TV] …it's a rotten morning. It's cold, misty, damp, raining. 351 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,520 I don't think it's a rotten morning. 352 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,480 I think it's a marvelous morning because you can smell the air, 353 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,760 you can smell the grass, you can hear all the cows and the sheep. 354 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,920 [Martin Young] He was running across the country. 355 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,320 I think it was a week that we ran with him. 356 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,000 We had dinner the first night. 357 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000 I started to ask him about the charity work, 358 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,320 after all, the run was for charity, 359 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,160 but I asked him about working for Leeds hospital, I think it was. 360 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,760 Anyway, he did hospital duties, and he did ambulance duties as well. 361 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,680 And he started to talk about the crashes and things 362 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,680 that he'd attended as an ambulance employee. 363 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,120 And, um, he told one story that was bizarre, 364 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,480 for the first time you've ever met somebody. 365 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,800 He said, "Oh, I went to this one and, um, 366 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:17,640 it was terrible." 367 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,920 "We saw the body and it was definitely dead." 368 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,280 "It was decapitated." 369 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,400 And he said, "It was-- Had rolled under a lorry." 370 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,640 "So, anyway, I volunteered." 371 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,480 "I went in under the lorry and came back with the head." 372 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,920 And, you know… 373 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,200 [flustered] "Anybody like another coffee?" 374 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,040 [chatter, applause] 375 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,760 During those five days, the crowds came out. 376 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,880 You'd have thought it was royalty. 377 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,800 [cheering, screaming] 378 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,040 Now then, I'll sign this lot, then you can get the next lot. 379 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:52,280 [train horn sounds] 380 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,440 [Martin Young] Jimmy Savile is public property. 381 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,640 He's everybody's cousin, everybody's blood brother. 382 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,520 He has to be jolly, zany, our Jim. 383 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,560 -[cheering] -[Savile] Oh dear, oh Lord. 384 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,880 Oh! 385 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,200 -Are you teach? -Yes. 386 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,760 -Give us a kiss, teach. -[kisses] 387 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,000 -Ooh! -[cheering] 388 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,720 [Martin Young] Lorry drivers, autograph hunters, television interviewers. 389 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,760 He takes them all in his stride. 390 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,760 Somehow, after following him for three days 391 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,920 and jog trotting into Newcastle, 392 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,120 it all seems disturbingly natural. 393 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,720 A perfectly normal way to spend your time. 394 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,480 Jim's weird lifestyle rubs off on you. 395 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,280 [jazz music playing] 396 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:35,720 That's interesting. I haven't seen that since I did it. Since it went out on air. 397 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,880 I'm quite pleased with the script. I'd worked hard on that. 398 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,600 I knew there was something wrong. 399 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,360 In the quieter moments, what do you think about as you slog along? 400 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,280 Slog along? 401 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,600 [Martin Young] That's Phil Tibenham, one of the great reporters. 402 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,520 You're always doing something physical like cycling or wrestling or something. 403 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,280 Are you in some way trying to punish yourself? 404 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,600 [laughs] Oh, no, not at all. 405 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,720 The only time you punish yourself is when you are with young ladies. 406 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,280 Then you punish yourself because you're such a villain. 407 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,880 You should be kind to them, and you're not kind to them. 408 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,240 And you squeeze them and make 'em go "ouch!" 409 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,480 and things like that. 410 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,120 Gosh. 411 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,720 It's made me realize that there are two people in there. 412 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,560 One half of the brain has broken into the other half for once. 413 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,960 The real persona has entered the public persona. 414 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,440 I can't think of anything nicer 415 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,840 than walking the length and breadth of this country, 416 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,400 starting at the top and finishing when you run out of land. It's marvelous. 417 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,600 'Scuse me showing my feet, ladies and gentlemen. Do forgive me. 418 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,320 -[woman shrieks] -Then they go… 419 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Put it down. Let me have a look. Turn it round. 420 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,560 Turn it round. 421 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,920 Yes. Later, later. Take it away. 422 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,320 [woman giggles] 423 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,760 You see, a man needs all sorts of things to get him 700 miles. 424 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,160 He needs all sorts of things. 425 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,760 [man] What adventures have you had so far? 426 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,040 I've had so many adventures, in fact, my case comes up next Thursday, 427 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,160 in various parts of the country, uh… 428 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,640 And we do tend to leave rather quickly once we've stayed overnight somewhere. 429 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,920 Because when all the boyfriends and, uh, brothers and fathers 430 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,880 come looking for you with the shotguns, 431 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,880 a diesel cloud, and an oil drip, and that's where you were. 432 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,840 [man] My dealings with Savile started years ago. 433 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,560 My aunt ran this very strange institution called Duncroft. 434 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,880 I first started going there when I was sort of probably six or seven. 435 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,800 From 1970, we'd regularly visit maybe once a month. 436 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,080 You'd approach this mansion surrounded by high walls, 437 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,560 uh, which, you know, looked like a stately home. 438 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,800 You know, it had a Georgian wing and a Victorian wing. 439 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,360 It was very grand, and yet there were bars on the upstairs windows 440 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,320 where the girls were at night. 441 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,760 It's all been turned into flats now. 442 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,720 I remember that. The lawns there… I mean, the grounds were much bigger. 443 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:27,160 They used to run all the way down there, and my aunt's study is that window there. 444 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,280 This was called an approved school, 445 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,600 which was like a prison for 14-year-old girls 446 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,400 who'd done bad things. Some had done very bad things. 447 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,880 At times there were child murderers here and all sorts of things. 448 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,600 I found it unnerving. 449 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,840 Some of these girls who'd been accused of very serious offenses, 450 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:51,680 when I was a little kid, I'd come here, and they would be, like, babysitting me, 451 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,160 while the adults went and had a few drinks or a party or something. 452 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,800 There would always be celebrities there. 453 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,800 You would have old film stars, politicians, at a garden party 454 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,320 raising money so that they could buy minibuses to take the kids out. 455 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,800 My aunt, 456 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,480 she was swept up with the idea of celebrity herself. 457 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,840 So every surface in her house had pictures of her with celebrities. 458 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,520 In the middle of this, Savile arrives, when I'm probably about 16. 459 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,880 [Savile hums a tune] 460 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,480 [Meirion Jones] At first, it seemed he was just another of the celebrities there, 461 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,920 but he kept turning up. 462 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,680 Very often when we turned up, we would see Savile. 463 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,680 It was the first time I'd dealt with him face-to-face. 464 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,720 All his phrases, "Now then, now then" 465 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,960 and all this stuff, it seemed to be a screen. 466 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,440 So there he was in his shell suit, making the screen in front of him, 467 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 and it was like you couldn't see through it. 468 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640 A lot of the girls were drugged-up a lot of the time. 469 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,440 Psychiatrists were often over-prescribing just to keep them quiet. 470 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,880 I remember seeing him driving off 471 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,240 with three girls from the school in the back seats. 472 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,960 They were very excited. 473 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840 They were waving at their friends up at the windows above. 474 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,400 I mean, they're locked up. 475 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,960 Suddenly, one of the most famous people in Britain is turning up. 476 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,400 And that started to become a bit of an issue for my parents, 477 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,000 who were both teachers, who would say to my aunt, 478 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,360 "Why are you letting this guy hang around with 13-year-old girls?" 479 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440 And she'd say, "It's Jimmy. He's a friend of the school, 480 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,400 raising money for charity, 481 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,960 helping people." 482 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,280 You know, Jim'll Fix It. This is a man who can make all your dreams come true. 483 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,880 [man] Jim'll Fix It. 484 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,680 It was 21 years of a working relationship between me and Jimmy Savile. 485 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,680 It was a good talking point if you were meeting somebody. 486 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,480 [male voice] Six, five, four, three… 487 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,160 [Roger Orish] Suddenly, you couldn't say it anymore. 488 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,960 We do hope you enjoy this program. 489 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,040 You're an important part of it, so sometimes we ask you to applaud, 490 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760 especially when I introduce to you Mr. Jimmy Savile! 491 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,920 How could I be so naive? 492 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,080 -[jolly music playing] -[applause] 493 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,040 Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Happy Christmas Eve to one and all. 494 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,040 Hope you're gonna have a splendid holiday. 495 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120 We're gonna have a splendid Fix It just now. 496 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,400 We're starting in fine style with this letter. 497 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,560 "Dear Jim, I would like you to send my sister to the moon." 498 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,760 -[laughter] -"She is 12 years old and very bossy." 499 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,080 [Roger Ordish] It was a terribly simple idea, really. 500 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,200 People write in, 501 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,400 tell Jim what they want "fixed," and he'll make their dreams come true. 502 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,360 [boy] "Dear Jim, please could you fix it for my duck, Crawford, to fly 503 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,000 because he cannot fly." 504 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,720 "All he does is run up the garden flapping his wings 505 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,440 and just staying on the ground." 506 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,520 [Savile chuckles] An amazing duck. 507 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160 If a duck wants to fly, the first thing it's got to do is go to the airport. 508 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,360 [duck quacks] 509 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,080 [woman] Morning. I'll take that for you. You're in seats 2E and F, on the left. 510 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,080 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen… 511 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000 [Roger Ordish] Ideally, you'd laugh and have pleasure from watching it, 512 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,480 but you'd also have a tear in your eye as it was such a sweet, innocent request. 513 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:03,080 [girl] "Dear Jim, I have always wanted to be an Indian princess and wear a sari." 514 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,440 [man] If you behave like a princess, with a lot of dignity and poise, 515 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,080 all your dreams will come true. 516 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040 [Savile] Now, a letter from Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. 517 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,840 "Dear Jim, please can you fix it for me 518 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,120 to ride through a hoop of fire on a motorcycle…" 519 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,320 [motorcycle revs] 520 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440 [Roger Ordish] The response was absolutely enormous. 521 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,840 The room was stuffed full of mailbags. 522 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,200 Do you reply to all the letters you receive? 523 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,800 No, we don't. It would cost us so much to reply to all those 250,000 letters. 524 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,760 It would cost more than it costs to make the whole program. 525 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,880 [Savile] "Dear Jimmy, I'd love to swing the ball 526 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,040 that knocks the walls of buildings down." 527 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,320 [Roger Ordish] It was number one in the television ratings. 528 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,600 [producer] How many viewers was it getting? 529 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,760 It was 20 million. 530 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,080 [Savile] "Dear Jim, please can you fix it for me to drive the new James Bond car?" 531 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,680 Missiles, four. 532 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,200 Harpoon guns, six. 533 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,600 [man 1] So many kids were writing letters. It was like a golden ticket. 534 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,880 [man 2] Good luck, 007. 535 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,680 Because kids could see other dreams being fixed, 536 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,760 they'd think, "Well, maybe, just one day, Jim might fix something for me." 537 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,880 [boy] "Dear Jim, I would like to take my teacher, Mrs. Harding, out for a meal, 538 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,200 but I have only got 12p in my money box." 539 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,880 "If I save, she will be too old." 540 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,280 [sound continues on TV] "I don't want her to be old. Steven Phillips, age six." 541 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,360 [Savile chuckles] 542 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280 [woman] Steven, would you like to bring your reading books to me, please? 543 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 [Steven Phillips] I hadn't asked for the earth. 544 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,720 I just wanted my teacher to be happy and, you know, have a nice meal. 545 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,560 A Rolls Royce turned up at my primary school. 546 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,880 We went to the local five-star hotel. 547 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,680 Sir, the wine list to start. 548 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,880 -Mrs. Harding, what would you like? -What would you recommend? 549 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,080 There you are, Steve. That's what you ordered, yeah? 550 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,800 Um… 551 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,360 [audience laughs] 552 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,360 [Steven Phillips] Suddenly, you're in an environment where everything 553 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760 is centered around this wish that you've asked for. 554 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,600 Look at that! 555 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,320 Oh, I say! Isn't that wonderful. 556 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,200 -Look, Steven, there you are. -Isn't that lovely! 557 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,880 [Steven Phillips] It was fun. It was an experience that I've never had since. 558 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,320 It's lovely. 559 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,960 And we've got cherries… 560 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,960 [applause] 561 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,240 We traveled to London. We went into the studio. 562 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,800 Because you must present this badge to this man-about-town 563 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,000 because he is something else. Thanks. 564 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200 [Roger Ordish] The important thing at the end 565 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,360 was that you had had your dream come true. 566 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,960 Jim had fixed it for you. 567 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,440 So we had a badge and a red ribbon, 568 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840 and it said, "Jim fixed it for me." 569 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,880 Which, for a time, were quite valuable on eBay. 570 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,120 [Steven Phillips] I did think it was the Crown Jewels when I got it. 571 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:15,040 Um… 572 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,159 You have to understand that it was a big… 573 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,560 This was a big thing for children in the 1980s 574 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,600 and the decades around it either side. 575 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,159 -[Savile] Here come their badges. -[man] Here you go. 576 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,840 -Dear, dear, dear. -That's it. 577 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,480 [Savile] Wow, look at that! 578 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,600 Come here. There you go there. 579 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:37,920 [Steven Phillips] As a child, 580 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,760 you just thought, this guy can make things happen. 581 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,760 A Father Christmas-type figure, I suppose. 582 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,120 The whole process of writing a letter is very much like Santa Claus. 583 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,720 That's what you'd do as a child, write to Santa and say what you wanted. 584 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,960 [Mark Lawson] There's something Jesus-like about it. 585 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440 Jesus crossed with Father Christmas. 586 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,480 Well, that really took some fixing. But here we are in beautiful Israel. 587 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,920 [choral music playing] 588 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,000 [suspenseful music overlaps] 589 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:30,400 [Mark Lawson] There was an implication of something miraculous and caring. 590 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600 He was seen as someone that children would listen to. 591 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,080 Trust. 592 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,520 Your Uncle Jim. 593 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,440 [Steven Phillips] He was on our TVs in this family show that families watched. 594 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,640 So he was a safe person. 595 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,920 [Mark Lawson] He wrote the introduction to the American book 596 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,680 warning children about stranger danger. 597 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,520 Set out like a little poem. 598 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920 "Here is a book for you to read and remember." 599 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,920 "Will you remember a stranger is danger, when you are on your own?" 600 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,040 Welcome back to James and his producer, Roger Ordish, who've come to see us. 601 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,040 -Hello. -The team. 602 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,800 Yes, the team. The Fix It team are here, sifting through a few fix-its. 603 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,600 [Roger Ordish] I don't think you ever got behind the mask 604 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,520 'cause he was so controlled, so self-controlled. 605 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,400 The idea of having a wife… 606 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,120 He had an automatic defense mechanism about that. 607 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,680 "Brain damage." 608 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,440 So the idea was that it would be… It was one-night stands. 609 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,360 I mean, he would say, "I met this young lady last night 610 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600 and she obliged," or something like that. 611 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,200 You don't think about it any more than that. 612 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,760 You don't say, "What?! In what way? What did you do?" 613 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520 He would talk about his conquests, 614 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,960 but you didn't see the person concerned, and you didn't really think beyond that. 615 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,840 I mean, some people said, "He's gay really, you know," 616 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,280 but people say that about everybody, don't they? 617 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:23,640 [suspenseful music playing] 618 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,880 [woman] I was The Independent on Sunday's celebrity interviewer. 619 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,240 For a while I was called Demon Barber, which was a bit hard, I thought. 620 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,800 More of my interviews were nice than were bitchy, 621 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,440 but the bitchy ones were the ones the readers loved. 622 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,360 Before I worked for The Independent on Sunday, 623 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,680 I worked for the Sunday Express. 624 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,440 I did a series called "Things I Wish I'd Known at 18." 625 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,560 Jimmy Savile. 626 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,560 I'm not sure what he said about what he'd wished he'd known at 18, 627 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,200 but I asked him about the fact he'd never had a girlfriend. 628 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,920 He said that he was so busy he didn't have time for a girlfriend 629 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,480 or children or a proper home. 630 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,160 And he was always traveling. 631 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,720 Sometime after, I asked around the office, 632 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,760 and what was striking was how many people said to me, 633 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,840 "You know, he likes little girls." 634 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440 It was a very widespread rumor. 635 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,480 But it was a feature of Fleet Street 636 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,720 that rumors could go on going round and round and round, 637 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,000 so you'd hear the same thing from 20 people, 638 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,080 which made them sound plausible. 639 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,720 But then always you had to try and get some backup. 640 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,920 "Have you any evidence for this?" 641 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,320 And they never did. 642 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,080 [man] In the dark, dim recesses of the night, 643 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,520 can anything that you read about you, or hear it said about you, make you wince? 644 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,960 Not really because, you see, I don't-- I've been in the business a long time now. 645 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,720 I run an average weekly audience of about 40 million people 646 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,240 through things like television, Sunday People, radio and things like that. 647 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,080 So after many years like that, 648 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,200 you get that people say all sorts of things about you, 649 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,520 and you get over being hurt, uh, 650 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,920 because maybe the things that they say are not true. 651 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,040 And it doesn't really matter because 652 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,360 you think back to the words of the Governor, 653 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,760 who said, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." 654 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,040 So that's all right. 655 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,640 It's the way it goes. 656 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,600 [man] If you think about all the stories published about celebrities 657 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,400 in the last 40 years, 658 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,880 there's a much larger volume of stories which have never been published 659 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,600 and never seen the light of day. 660 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,240 [Savile] This is the world-famous Stoke Mandeville Hospital, 661 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600 the most famous spinal unit in the whole world. 662 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,480 [Dominic Carman] Powerful friends can certainly help. 663 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,600 The British establishment. 664 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,720 A few thousand people hold influence and power. 665 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:44,480 It is an invisible club in which, once you become an established member, 666 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,720 you can find yourself afforded a degree of protection and sympathy 667 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:55,600 that wouldn't be the same were you just an ordinary person in the street. 668 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,960 At first glance, Stoke Mandeville Hospital, 669 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,880 or at least this part of it, looks good. 670 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,120 It's only when you begin to look at some of its not-so-new buildings 671 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,880 that a less favorable image begins to appear. 672 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,880 [Dominic Carman] People can enter the establishment from modest backgrounds. 673 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,920 To be taken seriously by the establishment, 674 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,920 one has to make a very strong impression on them. 675 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:21,520 A… 676 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,560 big impression. 677 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,280 [man] Blizzards have tonight closed many roads. 678 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,800 Snowplows are out on all major routes. 679 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,280 Police have warned of severe weather conditions 680 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,240 and advised people to stay at home. 681 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,920 [woman] On 2nd January 1980, we had bad snow. 682 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,000 One of the patients is laying in bed, can't move, 683 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,920 and the ceiling above his head, 684 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,320 which is what he'd got-- all he'd got to look at for a few months, 685 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,800 was beginning to bulge. 686 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:02,080 [man] Ceilings of five of the spinal unit wards have collapsed. 687 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,480 Fortunately, our staff very quickly moved the patients into the corridors. 688 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:12,240 [Sylvia Nicol] One of our consultants phoned Jim and said, "Can you help us?" 689 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,960 And that's the moment 690 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,280 all hell was let loose. 691 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,120 [pipe band playing] 692 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,480 The appeal to rebuild the National Spinal Injuries Centre. 693 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,000 [crowd] Five, four, three, two, one. 694 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,080 [cheering] 695 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,080 Is that why you're-- Are you raising money tonight? 696 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,240 So I've got time to try and get hold of £10 million, 697 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,480 with the help of my lovely friends in Great Britain, uh, 698 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,480 to stop the rain falling on the heads of my 120 paralyzed boys and girls. 699 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,320 In fact, only three days ago, 700 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,680 a floor collapsed and one of my girls disappeared through it. 701 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,160 -You're getting good publicity-- -It's not publicity. 702 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,440 Publicity is when you make money for yourself. 703 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,840 That's not publicity. We're doing a service to the people of this country. 704 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,000 I'm extremely sorry. I shouldn't have said-- 705 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,720 No more chips for saying that. 706 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,600 [laughter] 707 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,840 Ladies and gents, say thanks to Jimmy Savile. 708 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,440 [brass band music playing] 709 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,000 [whistling] 710 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,360 [Sylvia Nicol] With Jimmy Savile as our head, 711 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,760 it was in every newspaper you could think of. 712 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,600 Good to see you. Hello. 713 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680 [Sylvia Nicol] 'Cause it was Jim, it was out. 714 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,760 How did you raise it? 715 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,880 [man] All sorts of ways, but mainly a 24-hour sponsored run. 716 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,480 Thanks on behalf of the patients. 717 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,720 Would you like to meet my team, then the patients? 718 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,880 -Love to. -Good. 719 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,520 Oh, there you are. That's me! 720 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,880 Stoke Mandeville keeps me going. That's why I'm still here now. 721 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640 I was given a life expectancy of ten years. 722 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,520 And look at the age of me now. 723 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,160 So we needed that hospital. 724 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,280 -Can I give you this check… -You can indeed. 725 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,440 …on behalf of 120 Squadron RAF Kinloss. 726 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,520 [Roger Ordish] He raised millions. 727 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,800 And it was part of the Fix It thing that Jim's gonna fix this hospital. 728 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,080 -[Savile] We started a week ago. -[man] Right. 729 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,280 Within 12 hours, we had got quarter of a million pounds. 730 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,240 I did a deal this morning, from some super people, 731 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200 who said you will benefit by about £2 million, 732 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,560 so in seven days, we've done about three million quid. 733 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,720 But it's not bad, is it? 734 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,560 [applause] 735 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,480 [host] Now… 736 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,840 [sound fades] 737 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,560 [Savile] "Dear Jimmy, please could you fix it for me 738 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,760 to patrol 10 Downing Street as a police lady?" 739 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,960 10 Downing Street. 740 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:00,720 Prime minister's. 741 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,640 [man] Here we are. 742 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,040 Your job, along with me today, 743 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,600 is to make sure the prime minister is well cared for and looked after. 744 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,800 Thank you very much. Shall we close that? 745 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,840 Now, can I just point something out to you? 746 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,360 Do you see what this says? 747 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,040 -Hello, my dear Jimmy! How are you? -Good heavens! 748 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,480 [Thatcher] She's done marvelously. And I hope you've had a very happy day. 749 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,880 [man] I worked for five prime ministers, 750 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,760 and Margaret Thatcher certainly was different. 751 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,040 Are we going to get it on over your hat? We'll try. No, don't move yet. 752 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,520 I think we can try. One moment. No. Let's put it this way. 753 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,320 See if we can do it without disturbing anything. 754 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,880 Shall we have her have a look around, like this? 755 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,120 When I became principal private secretary to Margaret Thatcher in 1982, 756 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,920 her relationship with Jimmy Savile had really become quite established. 757 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,520 Well, actually-- 758 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,920 I thought you were going to fix my getting into Number 10? 759 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,440 [Savile] I've already done so. 760 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,200 Then you can give me a "Jim has fixed it for me." 761 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,280 -Indeed. -All right. 762 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,600 -Good. -Come along, Jimmy. 763 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,200 Nice to see you. Wonderful. All right. 764 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,520 [Lord Butler] Their relationship was pretty close. 765 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,000 He was writing letters to her. 766 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,440 She had invited him 767 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,440 to the prime minister's country residence, Chequers. 768 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,560 Now, these are floribunda. No, they're not as good as the others. 769 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,160 -What about here? -Goodness me. 770 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,360 [Lord Butler] Stoke Mandeville is on the doorstep of Chequers. 771 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,920 It was round the corner. 772 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,760 At the present moment, we're five years and three months ahead of schedule, 773 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,760 which is staggering-- A miracle, really. 774 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,320 [man] It's remarkable. Over £6 million in two years? 775 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,880 Yes-- Under two years. 776 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,400 [Lord Butler] Margaret Thatcher particularly liked Jimmy Savile 777 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,320 because he wasn't relying on what the state could do. 778 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,760 [Savile] The British public and industry have rallied to this appeal 779 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,680 like they haven't rallied to anything since the last war. 780 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,400 [Lord Butler] His entrepreneurialism, 781 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,640 his taking the initiative. 782 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,000 [Savile] It will open on August 3rd, 783 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,080 and any problems that we get before then will be resolved by then 784 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,720 'cause we don't understand the words "can't do." 785 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,960 [Lord Butler] Her vision of society, a thriving economy, 786 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,400 relying on successful people 787 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,080 who were then able to support the people who were less fortunate than themselves. 788 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,240 Do as much as you can for yourself is the aim. 789 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,200 Here we have a very special, unique unit. Patient in bed… 790 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,200 This place would not be in existence without Jimmy Savile. 791 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,120 He has been the driving force, 792 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,800 been the focal point, the engineer. 793 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,480 The saint. 794 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,120 I had never seen anyone… 795 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,040 do that much good. 796 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,080 He kept it up, 797 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,560 never faltered. 798 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,160 I just, sort of… I probably loved him. 799 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,640 [laughter] 800 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,320 Prince Charles went to Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire today 801 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,560 to open a new unit. 802 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,560 [applause] 803 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,720 [reporter] Prince Charles was supposed to come alone, 804 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,480 but when Princess Diana turned up as well, the patients were overjoyed. 805 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,560 For Jimmy Savile, who raised the money for the new hospital, 806 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,160 it was a moment of triumph. 807 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:40,480 [Prince Charles] When I think that it cost £10 million… 808 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,320 How on earth do you raise £10 million in three years? 809 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,280 [laughter, applause] 810 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,760 [reporter] "Easy," said Jimmy Savile, 811 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,320 pointing to the team who helped him raise the money. 812 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,520 [Sylvia Nicol] Diana came a lot of times afterwards. 813 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,640 She came on her own. No-- Nobody with her. 814 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,160 [Christine Checkley] She would leave all her security somewhere up the road. 815 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:12,320 Jim used to pick her up, and she used to come to Stoke Mandeville 816 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,880 just to walk around with him. 817 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,400 She was very friendly with him. 818 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,560 There she is. Why are you lurking over there? 819 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,200 Come here. Come here. 820 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,920 [reporter] Royalty seem to spend much of their time these days 821 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,720 being seen with Mr. Jimmy Savile OBE. 822 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,000 They were asking his opinion on things. 823 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,720 Asking his opin-- I used to say, "I don't know who they think you are." 824 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,400 But they were. 825 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,160 [producer] How did you know? 826 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,720 'Cause we would see them, or you'd hear them on the phone, 827 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,840 or they would come to Stoke. 828 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,920 [tense music playing] 829 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,320 [Christine Checkley] She said to me, "What do you do with yourself all day?" 830 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,240 And Jim said, "Oh, they watch porn." 831 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,560 I said, "Oh, if only I had the time," you know… 832 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,000 [giggles] …and she goes all blushed, 833 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,520 and you know that look she had. 834 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,800 She looked down, and she started to giggle. 835 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,200 Things happened with Jim that you accepted as almost normal, 836 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,840 but it was abnormal. 837 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,720 -[laughter] -[cameras click] 838 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,120 Ta-da! 839 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,840 [applause] 840 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,720 The Duke of Edinburgh jumped in it, and he went off to the station. 841 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,520 And you've got all the outriders and all the security absolutely petrified. 842 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,600 They were both like little boys, Jim and the Duke of Edinburgh, 843 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,080 laughing their heads off. 844 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,680 I'm a cab driver today, thank you very much indeed. 845 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,080 -I'm ex… -[background chatter] 846 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,600 I'm expecting a very good tip. Thank you. 847 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,160 [woman] Why such a close relationship with the royals? 848 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:16,560 What's your appeal for them and theirs for you? 849 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,240 [Savile] No-go area. 850 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,040 -Next. -[woman] But there must be something. 851 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,000 You know the royals well, and you're close to them. 852 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,360 [Savile] Next. 853 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,040 [woman] No comment. Is that the secret? 854 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:34,720 [Savile] Next. 855 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:45,720 [woman] I was a journalist. 856 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,560 I worked at the Yorkshire Evening Post as the Savile correspondent, 857 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,400 covering all his news and charity fundraising antics. 858 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,200 He called me, as a joke, his "head of media" or "good-news girl." 859 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,200 I did like him. We got on. I looked forward to seeing him. 860 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,840 It was a thrill to see Jim'll Fix It, sort of thing. 861 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,880 It was like seeing your childhood hero. 862 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,760 I did know a lot about him, really, 863 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,280 so I was asked by a book publisher to write his biography. 864 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,640 This is research I used for writing the book. 865 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,840 I've not been in here for years, actually. 866 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,320 So there's the book I wrote. 867 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:37,080 It was published in June 2012, three months before the scandal erupted. 868 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,000 After the scandal, I was shown all of this stuff. 869 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,040 Lots of letters here. He kept everything, you know, meticulously. 870 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,440 So there's letters from the royal family. They… 871 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,440 Including Prince Charles and Princess Diana. 872 00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,200 A letter to Jimmy Savile, to his London flat, at Park Crescent. 873 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,240 Written on 4th July, 1991. 874 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,440 "Dear Jimmy, I can't tell you how grateful I am 875 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,160 for the most useful assistance you provided for my speech, 876 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:13,760 in the Guildhall the other day." 877 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,080 "It really was extremely good of you 878 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,080 to take the trouble to put together those splendid notes, 879 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,960 and they provided me with considerable food for thought." 880 00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,160 "With renewed and heartfelt thanks, yours ever, Charles." 881 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,280 "January 2nd, 1989," from the Prince of Wales to Jimmy. 882 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,960 "I can't remember if I have written you a note recently 883 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,760 about morale-boosting visits to projects that don't get enough attention." 884 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,400 "I have a dreadful feeling the office doesn't consult you 885 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,280 before each program meeting." 886 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,040 He's asking his advice. 887 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,640 Where should he go and visit? Who should he see? 888 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,200 So he obviously valued Jimmy's opinion, which is bizarre, really, 889 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,480 when he's got the big-- You know, the staff. 890 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,560 He's got advisers, and assistant advisers, 891 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,920 and, you know, a big team of people. 892 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,920 "April 1990." Seeking Jimmy's advice about a speech. 893 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,080 "You are so good at understanding what makes people operate 894 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,720 and wonderfully skeptical and practical." 895 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,560 "Can you cast an eye over this draft, 896 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,280 and let me know how we can best appeal to people on this score?" 897 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,320 [horn beeps] 898 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,360 [horn beeps] 899 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,360 [Alison Bellamy] "January 14th, 1987." 900 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,320 "I so want to get to parts of the country that others don't meet." 901 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,000 "What I really need is a list of suggestions from you." 902 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,800 "Perhaps I am wrong, but you are the bloke who knows what's going on." 903 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,160 -It's a few years since I was here. -Aye. 904 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:39,400 My word, eh? 905 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,480 [Alison Bellamy] He was still a man of the people. 906 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,560 [applause] 907 00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,160 He knew the common folk. 908 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,200 The royal family, they're often seen as stuffy and out of touch. 909 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,560 Charles had found his link with the people of Britain. 910 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,880 [Savile] Honorary managers, 911 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,480 with all sincerity, I've been looking forward to today 912 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,000 for some considerable time. 913 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,240 If only for one reason, I'm getting more wages for today 914 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,240 than in all the time I worked down the pit. 915 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,840 [laughter] 916 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,040 [applause] 917 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,560 I mean, there's-- It's not just a couple, it's not just three or four, 918 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,000 there's absolutely loads-- There's files of it. 919 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,360 "December 22nd, 1989." 920 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,440 "I wonder if you would ever be prepared to meet my sister-in-law, 921 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,840 the Duchess of York." 922 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,120 "I can't help feeling that it would be extremely helpful to her if you could." 923 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,720 "I feel she could do with some of your straightforward common sense." 924 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,800 Fifty-four minutes after they'd taken off, 925 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,840 without warning or distress signal, 926 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880 the airliner started to disintegrate over Lockerbie. 927 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,240 [Alison Bellamy] "January 27th, 1989." 928 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,600 A month after the Lockerbie disaster. 929 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,120 This is Jimmy giving PR advice to the royal family 930 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,760 about how to react publicly when there's a major incident in Britain. 931 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,320 I suppose that, statistically, 932 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,880 something like this has got to happen at some stage, on a town. 933 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,240 But of course, it only affects the community in a very small way. 934 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,800 [Alison Bellamy] Jimmy advises the Queen should be informed 935 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,560 in advance of any proposed action by family members. 936 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,200 Jimmy suggests they should have a coordinator, who is "a special person 937 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,320 with considerable experience in such matters." 938 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,880 "There must be an incident room with several independent phone lines, etc." 939 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,760 I mean, Jimmy is advising them how to do it, what they should do, 940 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,560 what they should say, should they say anything. 941 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,440 So Charles says to Jimmy, "I attach a copy of my memo on disasters, 942 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,760 which incorporates your points, and I showed to my father, 943 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,760 and he showed it to Her Majesty." 944 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,600 Jimmy had sent back to Charles a five-part manual titled 945 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,480 "Guidelines for members of the Royal Family and their staff." 946 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,760 Jimmy seems to be a kind of unofficial chief adviser to the Prince of Wales. 947 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,320 [reporter] Jimmy Savile, suitably gold-braided. 948 00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,240 Big smile there for Prince Charles. 949 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,880 [cheering, whistling] 950 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,720 [Lord Butler] 1988. 951 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,320 Jimmy Savile was already an OBE. 952 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,200 There were two steps above that. 953 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,960 CBE. Commander of the British Empire. 954 00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,360 The other is a knighthood. Sir Jimmy Savile. 955 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,280 It represents a recognition 956 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,240 by the state, by the Queen as head of state, 957 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,560 that you have done 958 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,400 very good public service in the interest of the nation. 959 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,120 Margaret Thatcher had started pressing for him 960 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,160 to get a knighthood in the early 1980s. 961 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,640 [Savile] It said in the magazine the other day 962 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,040 that the only person she listens to is Jimmy Savile, 963 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,920 which in itself is an oddity. 964 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,080 We'll go down and sit with the PM over the Christmas period, 965 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,200 and I think that somebody like me is invited into a family circle like that 966 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,720 because I'm not a political person, 967 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,760 and maybe she just wants a bit away from politics over Christmas. 968 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,560 [man] What will you do over the weekend? 969 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840 Who knows? We might play games. I don't know. 970 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,720 [Lord Butler] She had written, "Please can Jimmy Savile be considered 971 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,000 for a knighthood?" 972 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,840 But there were suddenly these revelations about his lifestyle. 973 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,240 They were in The Sun newspaper, 974 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,760 and they really were rather extraordinary. 975 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,160 "His is one of the most familiar faces in Britain." 976 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,280 "But there is another side, 977 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,120 a dark side." 978 00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,240 "It is of a ruthless, calculating Jimmy Savile." 979 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,480 "'The people who work for me call me the Godfather.'" 980 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,280 "'Nobody messes with the Godfather.'" 981 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,000 "'He is the boss, the big man.'" 982 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440 He wants to claim, 983 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,720 as well as the soft side, this rather macho image. 984 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,920 They're such contrasts with each other. 985 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,280 "'If anyone misbehaved in my place, they got a thick ear.'" 986 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,360 "'I said, let him lie there." 987 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,520 This is when somebody was being beaten up. 988 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,800 "Just make sure his eyes are closed, 989 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,160 and they went outside and kicked his head in." 990 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,680 "They left him lying there concussed." 991 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:29,040 Well, this is quite a mile away from the popular saint image, 992 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:35,000 and he himself is, as it were, bringing it to public attention. 993 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,840 [continues reading] "I had 107 pro fights as a wrestler, 994 00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,560 and I never once lost my temper." 995 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,800 "I don't allow myself the luxury of personal feelings." 996 00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,280 "It's the same with my ladies." 997 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,080 "I like girls, plenty of them." 998 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,720 "Before I go out, I write my telephone number 999 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,720 half a dozen times on bits of paper and put them in my pocket." 1000 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,600 [Lord Butler] These revelations, 1001 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,840 The Sun describes them as 1002 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,080 "The dark side of Britain's top DJ," 1003 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,360 and yet, it wasn't something that they'd discovered, 1004 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,720 it was something that he seems to have… 1005 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,200 [hesitates] 1006 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,320 …volunteered. 1007 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,040 "Today, for the first time, the real Jimmy Savile talks." 1008 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,520 He volunteers it. 1009 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,000 Um… 1010 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,640 It's very odd. 1011 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,360 [laughter] 1012 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,120 [woman] I know you usually get breakfast in bed, but… 1013 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,600 -[giggling] -Oh my goodness gracious! 1014 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,080 [Lord Butler] My predecessor was chair of the Main Honours Committee. 1015 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,920 He said, "Mr. Savile is a strange and complex man." 1016 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,280 "He deserves high praise, but he has made no attempt to deny 1017 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,400 the accounts in the press about his private life." 1018 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,040 "Why?" 1019 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,000 [Meirion Jones] My contact with Duncroft School, 1020 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,160 and, in fact, Jimmy Savile, really ended in about 1976. 1021 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,040 Duncroft then closed down, and it was sold off to a developer. 1022 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,320 I got to university, became a journalist, 1023 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,080 and sort of invested my life in it. 1024 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,560 I mean, I always remembered what I had seen back in the '70s. 1025 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,040 Looking at these cuttings from The Sun, 1026 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:28,280 it's billed as "The dark side of Britain's top DJ." 1027 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,520 Actually, it's a dark side that he can live with. 1028 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,880 Uh, it's not a dark side that's gonna lead to him being prosecuted for anything. 1029 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,000 Gives an impression of him as being hard but fair. 1030 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,640 By all accounts, he was quite a tough character 1031 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,040 when he was running around in the clubs many years earlier. 1032 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,080 Something about lots of different women. 1033 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:51,520 Bit of a lad. 1034 01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,400 But nothing illegal. 1035 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,880 These are safe confessions for him to be associated with, 1036 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,880 and perhaps he then gets rid of the reporters. 1037 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,440 He's giving them something. 1038 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,120 He's giving the tabloid press something that will sell papers. 1039 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,200 He's coughed. He's admitted. 1040 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,080 We don't need to look at him anymore. We can put him away in a box. 1041 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,520 He was very good at distracting people. 1042 01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:21,560 Talk about cuties. Hello, again. 1043 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,160 -Hello. How are you? -Jimmy's our guest of the day. 1044 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,400 Oh my God. 1045 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,880 -[Selina Scott] Don't look at me like that. -What's that? 1046 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,320 He's done it to every woman on the program so far. 1047 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,640 Have you bought your Christmas presents yet? 1048 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,160 I haven't bought a Christmas present in the last 20 years 1049 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,800 because I don't have anybody to buy Christmas presents for. 1050 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,240 Come on. We'll play the violins in a minute. 1051 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,040 Where are you going for Christmas? 1052 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,920 I haven't made my mind up yet. Where are you going to go for Christmas? 1053 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,640 -I shall be in the North. -Will you? 1054 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,040 Will you be in the North? 1055 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,440 -I haven't made my mind up yet. -Do you want to come round for tea? 1056 01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,960 When I was working on breakfast TV, I knew instinctively what my role was. 1057 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,600 Do you have a family Christmas? 1058 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,880 I haven't got any family. I'm a single man. 1059 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,960 [giggles] 1060 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:08,600 [Selina Scott] A bit of glamour. 1061 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,320 The pressures on a woman, at that time, were immense. 1062 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,840 How could anybody get tired sitting next to you? 1063 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,600 Any, um, plans for the future, Jimmy? Are you doing any more fundraising? 1064 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,600 Stick with it, girl. That's it. 1065 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,760 He was odd, but, you see, he made people laugh, 1066 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,720 and it's a gift to make people laugh. 1067 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,280 And television studios are desperate for light entertainment. 1068 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:35,200 Isn't he rude? 1069 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,880 All this schmooze in the morning. it's really-- I'm unused to it. 1070 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,520 -Lots of schmooze. -[Frank Bough] His heart rate is rising. 1071 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,240 I'd run like mad. You were very rubbery. 1072 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,280 You're very limber. Is that 'cause you do-- 1073 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:46,760 Oh dear. This… 1074 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,680 I hear tell the women absolutely besiege you 1075 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,960 at the end of these marathon runs, these charity runs. Is it true? 1076 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,120 Well, with cooling drinks. 1077 01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,560 It's excruciating. 1078 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,560 -TLC. -[Savile groans] 1079 01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,760 [Selina Scott] See? You see? 1080 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,520 Look at the effect you have on women. 1081 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,120 [hesitates] I was as much an actor in this as he was. 1082 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,160 -And that's… -[Savile on TV] None whatsoever. 1083 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,280 That's embarrassing. 1084 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,200 -You train with girls? -Afraid so, yes. 1085 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,240 They're faster than me, so they run in front of me, 1086 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,240 therefore the pain is intense, but the view is magnificent. 1087 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,480 [laughter] 1088 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,040 -Jimmy Savile. -What? 1089 01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,440 You always had a marble body? 1090 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,880 And I'm doing the Diana thing, under the fringe, 1091 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,440 and encouraging this for as much as it's worth. 1092 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,160 Yes. Why are you hiding beneath this sleeping bag? 1093 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,520 If I might ask you, Selina, 1094 01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,520 if you could hold that hand with one of your hands, please? 1095 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,040 -I see something opening-- -This one. No. 1096 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,640 I'll make certain he doesn't step out of line. 1097 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:41,600 [Selina Scott] Right, okay. 1098 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,240 I know millions of fellas… 1099 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,400 I knew this was going to come! Jimmy Savile! 1100 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,440 …who wish to hold hands with Selina Scott in their sleeping bags! 1101 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,400 -Oh, you are a… You're a… -[Savile] Ah! 1102 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,040 I knew that was gonna happen. 1103 01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,920 If this guy was walking down the street, you wouldn't want to speak to him. 1104 01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,040 Or you might be even afraid to speak to him. 1105 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,600 [laughter] 1106 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:01,520 [Selina Scott] Right. 1107 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,320 I know a lot of fellas who wish 1108 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,960 Selina Scott would pinch their sleeping bags from them! 1109 01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,240 [Selina Scott] You'd think he might be slightly dangerous, 1110 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,640 something odd about him. 1111 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,440 But, of course, once he's sitting there on the sofa, 1112 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,280 then he's made human. 1113 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,080 [Selina Scott] The man of the moment is David Icke. 1114 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,120 The World Open Squash Championship in Munich 1115 01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,360 has been won by Jahangir Khan of Pakistan. 1116 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,880 Have you ever tried squash? 1117 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,240 -I've tried squeeze… -Yeah. 1118 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,080 …and press but never squash. 1119 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,560 [Selina Scott] He was trying to emit this kind of sexuality. 1120 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,600 [laughter] 1121 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,280 [Selina Scott] It wasn't raw sexuality at all. 1122 01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:41,760 Cost you one kiss in public. 1123 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:43,080 -[Selina Scott] Would it? -Yes. 1124 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,320 Oh God. 1125 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,680 -[laughter] -[kisses] 1126 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,360 I know what I was thinking looking at him there. 1127 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,240 It's a totally different experience when you're sitting at home 1128 01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:53,680 looking at this set. 1129 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,360 [Savile] Doctor, please, save me from the attentions of this piranha woman. 1130 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,760 It's a weird-- It's… 1131 01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,760 [scoffs] 1132 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,600 It's like I'm a liar. Like I'm sitting here telling fibs. 1133 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,640 And the truth is very different, 'cause a camera never lies, does it? 1134 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,240 A camera never lies. 1135 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,640 So what I'm looking at here 1136 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,040 is something totally different from what I actually felt at the time. 1137 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:20,680 So the camera does lie. 1138 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,520 You know, if the camera never lies, 1139 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,600 then the camera would have picked up on him years ago. 1140 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:30,920 Yep. 1141 01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,560 Yes, it's the biggest liar. 1142 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,200 The most influential liar. 1143 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,000 People are doing it wrong. They work until they're 65, then they retire. 1144 01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,760 And I'm looking forward to getting a job when I'm 65. 1145 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,440 I'm going to be a-- Maybe a caretaker in a girls' school 1146 01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,000 or something like that, and… 1147 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,280 [clears throat] He's laughing again. 1148 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,440 [Selina Scott] Look how everyone reacts positively towards Jimmy Savile. 1149 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520 And if you want to see more of Jim's work first-hand, 1150 01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,880 I had a wonderful day at Stoke Mandeville recently. 1151 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,240 Thanks for being with us. 1152 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,800 -God bless you. -Thanks, Jim. 1153 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:06,720 [Selina Scott] Television protects itself. 1154 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,680 Television can construct its own performance 1155 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,560 and carry on doing it over and over and over again, to applause, 1156 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,560 and there's nothing that can stop it. 1157 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,680 Everybody here will go along with me in saying 1158 01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,920 that you do a terrific job, really marvelous. 1159 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,080 No, that's all front. That's all lies. 1160 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,920 [laughter] 1161 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,160 Talking of where we are, how was 1987 for you? 1162 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,560 Every day was Christmas, every night was a birthday, 1163 01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,359 and my case comes up next Thursday. 1164 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,520 [laughter] 1165 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,000 [applause] 1166 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,439 [applause fades] 1167 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,080 [Lord Butler] Margaret Thatcher wasn't giving up. 1168 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,520 A recommendation for a knighthood for Jimmy Savile. 1169 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,720 She wonders, "how many more times his name is to be pushed aside." 1170 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,120 [marching band playing] 1171 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,240 [Lord Butler] Summer of 1990, 1172 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,800 he was included on the last list 1173 01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:14,920 that Margaret Thatcher put forward to the Queen 1174 01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,560 before she ceased to be prime minister. 1175 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,880 There was still a feeling of unease. 1176 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:27,240 Are we, if we give him the highest honor that the system can provide, 1177 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,160 um, are we going to… 1178 01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,359 Are we going to live to regret it? 1179 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,880 [reporter] From now on, it should be Sir Jim who'll have to fix it. 1180 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,720 Jimmy Savile's been at Buckingham Palace, where he was knighted by the Queen. 1181 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,600 I'm up on a cloud. 1182 01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,560 Can you tell me where I am and can you tell me who I am? 1183 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,000 -[man] You're Sir James Savile. -Am I really? 1184 01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:49,920 So it was no mistake, after all? 1185 01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:51,640 No mistake. 1186 01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:54,120 [Lynn Barber] He'd just been given a knighthood. 1187 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,880 -No, it really is mine. -You sure? 1188 01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,520 It is mine, I'm telling you. 1189 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,560 Tell him it's mine. It is mine. He thought I'd nicked it. 1190 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,560 I said, "Can I come and interview you?" and he said, "Yes." 1191 01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:05,640 He was still sort of buzzing. 1192 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,080 Sir James? No, just a minute, he's not here. Hang on a sec. 1193 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:10,160 [posh voice] Hello? 1194 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,160 [Lynn Barber] The fact he got a knighthood was sort of guarantee of respectability. 1195 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,800 I went to his pokey little flat, near the BBC. 1196 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:28,360 I had decided that I must try and ask whether he likes little girls, 1197 01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,000 but, you know, couldn't work out how. 1198 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,680 Actually, he gave it me on a plate, in a way, 1199 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,520 because he said that getting the knighthood was a relief. 1200 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,600 And I said, "Why was it a relief?" 1201 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,000 And he said, "Oh, 'cause, you know, there's always been these nasty rumors." 1202 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,200 And so then I was able to say, 1203 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,800 "You mean the rumor that you like little girls?" 1204 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,600 Still, I was nervous when I told him, 1205 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,160 "What people say is that you like little girls." 1206 01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,200 "He reacted with a flurry of funny-voice, Jimmy Savile patter, 1207 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,240 which is what he does when he's getting his bearings." 1208 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,680 "Ah, now, sure. Now then, now then." 1209 01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,000 "First of all, I happen to be in the pop business, which is teenagers, 1210 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,480 that's number one." 1211 01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,000 "So when I go anywhere, it's the young ones that come round me." 1212 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,360 "Now, what the tabloids don't realize 1213 01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:26,760 is that the young girls in question don't gather round me because of me, 1214 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,840 it's because I know the people they love, the stars." 1215 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,280 [whooping] 1216 01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,320 ♪ The locomotion ♪ 1217 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,640 ♪ The locomotion ♪ 1218 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,480 ♪Everybody's doin' A brand new dance now ♪ 1219 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,880 ♪ Come on, baby, do the locomotion… ♪ 1220 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:47,600 [Lynn Barber] I… 1221 01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,760 I thought he answered the question well. 1222 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,240 [cheering] 1223 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,680 [Lynn Barber] I thought, "Oh yes, that explains it." 1224 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,880 "If they know it, why haven't they published it?" 1225 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,480 "The Sun or The News of the World would hardly refuse the chance 1226 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,080 of featuring a Jimmy Savile sex scandal." 1227 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,480 "The fact that the tabloids have never come up 1228 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,600 with a scintilla of evidence against Jimmy Savile 1229 01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,080 is as near proof as you can ever get." 1230 01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:16,720 -[kisses] -[Savile] Ah! 1231 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,920 Ladies and gentlemen, what else can we say? 1232 01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,640 Look after yourselves for the whole week, 1233 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,720 and see you for some more Jim'll Fix It next week. Bye-bye! 1234 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,800 ♪ Your letter is only the start of it ♪ 1235 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:29,760 ♪ One letter… ♪ 1236 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,280 [producer] What was the reaction to your article when it was published? 1237 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:37,080 [Lynn Barber] Well, I was quite told off by quite a lot of readers, saying, 1238 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,480 "This wonderful man who does all this work for charity and is now a knight, 1239 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,520 and you dare to ask him if he likes little girls?" 1240 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,200 You know, people were offended by the question. 1241 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,080 There was a feeling it was sort of cheeky. 1242 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,640 Never knew anyone who did that much good. 1243 01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:56,800 Simple as that. 1244 01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:02,200 [studio applause] 1245 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,520 ["This is Your Life" theme playing] 1246 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,400 Well, Sir James Wilson Savile OBE, this is your life. 1247 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,480 I should say "lives" because you are a man of many faces. 1248 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,880 Here tonight, as you will have observed, are friends and colleagues. 1249 01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,640 Roger Ordish, producer of Jim'll Fix It, 1250 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,040 you have a closer insight than most people into the real Jimmy Savile. 1251 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,520 -I think so, but you can't be sure. -[Savile] Goodbye. 1252 01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,360 I know this much, my wife, Susie, is chief letter reader on Jim'll Fix It, 1253 01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:33,720 and the fact that she gets through about 250,000 of them a year 1254 01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,520 is proof, I think, not only of the popularity of the program, 1255 01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,680 but the high regard people have for the man himself. 1256 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,280 There is one hospital that has a special place in your affections, 1257 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:45,680 Stoke Mandeville Hospital. 1258 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,160 [woman] Hi there, Jimmy. Thanks for everything. 1259 01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,880 Here's a message from just a few of your friends here. 1260 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,440 -Well done, Jimmy. -[Savile] The team! 1261 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:54,920 How's about that, then? 1262 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,560 [Savile laughs] The team! 1263 01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,000 Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. 1264 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,160 She's asked me to read this personal message to you. 1265 01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:05,600 "So many great Britons have had a touch of eccentricity about them, 1266 01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,240 and Jimmy is truly a great Briton." 1267 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,280 "Miner, wrestler, disc jockey, hospital porter, fundraiser, 1268 01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,120 and knight of the realm, 1269 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,520 Jimmy, I and millions more salute you." 1270 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,160 Signed, "Margaret Thatcher." 1271 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,000 [applause] 1272 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,560 [suspenseful music playing] 1273 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,360 [man] Of the many things that you are, what would hurt most if you lost it, 1274 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:35,840 or it was taken away from you? 1275 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,520 [Savile] Oh, uh, freedom. 1276 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:39,320 [man] Freedom? 1277 01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,960 [Savile] Yeah. I've got the freedom to do pretty well anything… now. 1278 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,280 [man] What do you do? What is it that really gives you a kick? 1279 01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,520 [Savile] You don't know. You are constrained by certain things. 1280 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,040 I'm not in your world. 1281 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,880 I'm not constrained, pretty well, by anything. 1282 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:06,520 [sinister music playing] 1283 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,400 [sing-song] La-la la-la la-la, ho-ho ho-ho… 1284 01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:12,440 [Savile] The tough thing in life is ultimate freedom. 1285 01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,200 [sing-song] Ho-ho ho-ho ho-ho… 1286 01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,080 That's when the battle starts. 1287 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,040 Because you've got to be very strong to stand for ultimate freedom. 1288 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,240 [Savile] Has anybody… seen Jimmy Savile anywhere? 1289 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,320 [children shout] Over there! 1290 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,240 [Savile] But I'm alone in the world now. 1291 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,360 But I'm quite happy because I borrow everybody else. 1292 01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,800 I borrow their joys. I borrow their sorrows. 1293 01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:38,920 I've got 56 million people in this country, 1294 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,360 and the country is like a big front room to me. 1295 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,520 So I'm quite happy with them, 1296 01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,080 and it would appear that they are quite happy with me. 1297 01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:00,040 [Lynn Barber] Insofar as my article had any importance, 1298 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,560 it was the first time that this had actually been in print. 1299 01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,360 You know, I'd sort of launched that idea on the world, as it were. 1300 01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:12,080 This was a key moment. 1301 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,960 When I read that interview that Lynn Barber had done, 1302 01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,680 she was the best interviewer in the business at that point, 1303 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:19,920 I just thought, "Ooh." 1304 01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,880 Suddenly, she's mentioning these pedophile rumors. 1305 01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,480 It's there in black and white. 1306 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,760 It turns out, of course, 1307 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,040 this was far more horrific than I could ever have imagined. 1308 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,120 [tape rewinds] 1309 01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:38,200 -[woman] He fooled everyone. -The scale of it… 1310 01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,680 -He groomed an entire nation. -This is the stuff of a horror movie. 1311 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,720 [sinister music playing] 1312 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,200 [Meirion Jones] From that moment on, I was ears open. 1313 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,600 What was the real story about Jimmy Savile? 1314 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,480 [tape recorder clicking] 1315 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,720 [woman] This interview is being tape-recorded. 1316 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,920 I'm Detective Constable [bleep] from Surrey Police. 1317 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,680 [Savile] I'm proud that, in 83 years, I have never ever done anything wrong. 1318 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,200 [detective] Are you sexually attracted to girls under 16? 1319 01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,280 [Savile] Impossible and untrue! 1320 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,040 [detective] Have you ever sexually assaulted any girl 1321 01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,600 under the age of 16? 1322 01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,240 [Savile] Never! Never. 1323 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,160 Out of the question. Never 'appened. 1324 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,880 This is starting to sound like the Mad Hatter's tea party, this. 1325 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,960 ["Take a Heart" playing] 1326 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,080 ♪ First you take a heart ♪ 1327 01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,840 ♪ Then you break a heart ♪ 1328 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,440 ♪ But before you do ♪ 1329 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,200 ♪ You make it fall for you ♪ 1330 01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,800 ♪ Then you give it back ♪ 1331 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,640 ♪ Ahh, you shouldn't do that ♪ 1332 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,120 ♪ You seen me walk that floor ♪ 1333 01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,920 ♪ Just a-thinking of you ♪ 1334 01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,400 ♪ You seen me walk that floor, baby ♪ 1335 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,680 ♪ Right out of my shoes ♪ 1336 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,200 ♪ Somebody help me, please ♪ 1337 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,480 ♪ Tell me what to do ♪ 1338 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,440 ♪ Just send an SOS ♪ 1339 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,600 ♪ Yeah, my heart's in distress ♪ 1340 01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,200 ♪ Won't somebody please… ♪ 108806

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