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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:31,363 --> 00:00:33,031 Well, now, with just a slight skip of the heart, 2 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:35,666 we have, I think, got through to Chicago and Muhammad Ali. 3 00:00:35,668 --> 00:00:38,936 Are you hearing us from London, Muhammad? -Yes, sir. Loud and clear. 4 00:00:38,938 --> 00:00:42,273 How are you doing today? -Very well. Thank you. Welcome to the show. 5 00:00:42,275 --> 00:00:47,645 Thank you for allowing me to come to you live by Early Bird satellite. 6 00:00:47,647 --> 00:00:50,815 Now, let me just get a few facts straight with you. 7 00:00:50,817 --> 00:00:53,618 You're a professional fighter, right? 8 00:00:53,620 --> 00:00:57,789 I am a minister of the religion of Islam also. 9 00:00:57,791 --> 00:00:59,824 A professional fighter and a minister as well. 10 00:00:59,826 --> 00:01:05,063 Yes, sir. -David Susskind would like to ask you some questions. David. 11 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:06,431 Well, I don't know where to begin. 12 00:01:06,433 --> 00:01:12,003 I find nothing amusing or interesting or tolerable about this man. 13 00:01:12,005 --> 00:01:15,406 He's a disgrace to his country, his race... 14 00:01:15,408 --> 00:01:18,609 and what he laughingly describes as his profession. 15 00:01:18,611 --> 00:01:22,013 He is a convicted felon in the United States. 16 00:01:22,015 --> 00:01:24,515 He has been found guilty. 17 00:01:24,516 --> 00:01:25,484 He is out on bail. 18 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:28,786 He will inevitably go to prison, as well he should. 19 00:01:28,788 --> 00:01:32,623 He's a simplistic fool and a pawn. 20 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,728 Muhammad Ali. 21 00:01:38,831 --> 00:01:41,499 One of the greatest athletes of all time. 22 00:01:41,501 --> 00:01:45,903 As the first three-time heavyweight boxing champion of the world, 23 00:01:45,905 --> 00:01:49,040 he thrilled, entertained and inspired us. 24 00:01:49,042 --> 00:01:52,743 He was given the Medal of Freedom... 25 00:01:52,745 --> 00:01:54,779 by the president of the United States. 26 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:58,883 The American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali... 27 00:01:58,885 --> 00:02:01,819 one of our own. 28 00:02:07,426 --> 00:02:13,064 What does it mean, the Medal of Freedom? 29 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:14,599 We bring you up. Oh, yes. 30 00:02:14,601 --> 00:02:20,104 This is Muhammad Ali, the great fighter, the great humanitarian, 31 00:02:20,106 --> 00:02:22,140 the great Muslim. 32 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:23,608 Years ago, 33 00:02:23,610 --> 00:02:26,544 Ali came and sat right here. 34 00:02:26,546 --> 00:02:29,413 And Ali looked at me. 35 00:02:29,415 --> 00:02:34,318 He said, "Still a nigger." 36 00:02:35,487 --> 00:02:37,755 I said, "Oh, Ali. 37 00:02:37,757 --> 00:02:40,591 Don't talk like that." 38 00:02:40,593 --> 00:02:44,795 He said, "Still a nigger." 39 00:02:45,964 --> 00:02:49,400 What did my brother mean? 40 00:03:11,890 --> 00:03:14,559 Olympic champion, and the flag is going... 41 00:03:18,531 --> 00:03:20,798 And I'm standing so proud. 42 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,999 I just hear the man say, 43 00:03:22,001 --> 00:03:26,737 "Champion of the whole world... Cassius Clay." 44 00:03:27,172 --> 00:03:29,240 Olympic champion of the world... 45 00:03:29,241 --> 00:03:30,042 ...from Kentucky. 46 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:33,811 Southern boy raised poor becoming a gold medal winner, oh, man. 47 00:03:33,813 --> 00:03:37,014 Oh! I still get excited. 48 00:03:37,516 --> 00:03:42,153 Me, my mother, my father were standing at the terminal 49 00:03:42,155 --> 00:03:44,322 when he came off the plane. 50 00:03:44,324 --> 00:03:45,723 I was so happy. 51 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:48,459 It was beautiful. Beautiful. 52 00:03:52,965 --> 00:03:55,032 Any ideas now as to whom you might sign with? 53 00:03:55,034 --> 00:03:58,769 I would like to get with a nice, honest crowd. Nice, clean people. 54 00:03:58,771 --> 00:04:02,106 And with the right backing, I believe I'll have a chance... 55 00:04:02,108 --> 00:04:03,774 to become the world's heavyweight champion. 56 00:04:03,776 --> 00:04:08,846 It's best to be with somebody you know and from your own town if possible. 57 00:04:16,888 --> 00:04:21,024 I'm Gordon B. Davidson, attorney for the Louisville Sponsoring Group, 58 00:04:21,026 --> 00:04:22,563 owner of Cassius Clay 59 00:04:22,564 --> 00:04:26,064 and the hired hand to keep the group and Cassius Clay together. 60 00:04:26,065 --> 00:04:30,768 We had a contract with Ali for six years. 61 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:35,806 We were as powerful a group as you could put together in Louisville. 62 00:04:35,808 --> 00:04:38,776 These were all capitalists. 63 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:43,047 I'm Bill Faversham, vice president of Brown-Foreman, 64 00:04:43,049 --> 00:04:45,983 and one of the founders of the group of Cassius Clay. 65 00:04:45,985 --> 00:04:48,552 I'm also his manager. 66 00:04:50,722 --> 00:04:51,989 I'm W.L. Lyons Brown, 67 00:04:51,991 --> 00:04:55,660 chairman of the board of Brown-Foreman Distillers Corporation. 68 00:04:55,662 --> 00:04:58,062 I'm also a farmer and in the oil business. 69 00:04:58,064 --> 00:05:01,866 The original group, they're all deceased. 70 00:05:01,868 --> 00:05:04,235 I'm the only survivor. 71 00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:10,574 The reason for the group was to aid, assist and protect... 72 00:05:10,576 --> 00:05:13,844 this fine Louisville athlete. 73 00:05:13,846 --> 00:05:17,815 He was a young fellow who wanted to be great. 74 00:05:19,785 --> 00:05:22,355 Cassius, you say you're gonna be 75 00:05:22,356 --> 00:05:24,056 champion by the time you're 21. Is that right? 76 00:05:24,057 --> 00:05:29,193 As you know, today is the jet age. Everybody's trying to break records. 77 00:05:29,195 --> 00:05:33,297 There's the man who says that he'll be on the moon by 1970. 78 00:05:33,299 --> 00:05:36,233 They're gonna make cars that will run by sunlight. 79 00:05:36,235 --> 00:05:39,003 Well, those are pretty game predictions. 80 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:41,672 I wouldn't want to do too much bragging about it, 81 00:05:41,674 --> 00:05:44,512 but everybody that watches me, 82 00:05:44,513 --> 00:05:48,113 they say that I'm the greatest that they've ever seen. 83 00:05:48,114 --> 00:05:51,615 But did I think he would be the heavyweight champion? 84 00:05:51,617 --> 00:05:53,984 I had doubts about it. 85 00:05:54,119 --> 00:05:55,753 And I think the group had doubts about it... 86 00:05:55,755 --> 00:05:59,357 because the odds, it's like winning the Kentucky Derby. 87 00:05:59,359 --> 00:06:03,361 You have a horse, and the horse looks pretty good, 88 00:06:03,363 --> 00:06:06,464 but it is gonna win the Derby? 89 00:06:06,598 --> 00:06:09,667 He never had a doubt about it. 90 00:06:09,801 --> 00:06:13,037 For me to say it was a civic thing... 91 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:15,005 ...it was. 92 00:06:15,774 --> 00:06:19,710 This is the house behind us that Muhammad and I were raised in... 93 00:06:19,712 --> 00:06:22,880 for the first 13 years of our life. 94 00:06:27,619 --> 00:06:30,921 Who's the champ? I'm the champ. 95 00:06:30,923 --> 00:06:32,490 - Come on. - You come on. 96 00:06:32,492 --> 00:06:35,960 I was good, but he was more gifted than I. 97 00:06:36,928 --> 00:06:38,562 Left jab, 98 00:06:38,564 --> 00:06:39,897 right cross, 99 00:06:39,899 --> 00:06:41,332 hook. 100 00:06:42,901 --> 00:06:46,904 And we shared a room together. It had twin beds. 101 00:06:46,906 --> 00:06:48,739 He had a bed on one side on the room. 102 00:06:48,741 --> 00:06:51,041 I had a bed on the side of the room. 103 00:06:53,678 --> 00:06:56,414 And from Mom, we got kindness, 104 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:59,884 gentleness, sweetness and affection, love. 105 00:06:59,886 --> 00:07:02,386 All the good things from Mom. 106 00:07:02,388 --> 00:07:05,790 My father, his name was Cassius M. Clay Sr. 107 00:07:05,792 --> 00:07:08,392 As I understand, I'm Cassius Marcellus Clay VI. 108 00:07:08,394 --> 00:07:12,029 Well, Cassius Marcellus Clay is a great name in Kentucky. 109 00:07:12,031 --> 00:07:14,131 Cassius Marcellus Clay... 110 00:07:14,133 --> 00:07:16,333 the old guy, the white guy, 111 00:07:16,335 --> 00:07:18,836 for whom Cassius was named... 112 00:07:18,838 --> 00:07:22,206 he was a very strong abolitionist. 113 00:07:22,208 --> 00:07:27,812 I did talk to the Clays a lot. Always a very friendly relationship. 114 00:07:27,814 --> 00:07:33,384 The father was kind of an in-and-out sort of fellow... 115 00:07:33,652 --> 00:07:38,255 who painted signs and other things for a living. 116 00:07:38,990 --> 00:07:43,994 My father was painting the churches here in Louisville. 117 00:08:00,946 --> 00:08:03,647 My dad painted this beautiful portrait of 118 00:08:03,649 --> 00:08:06,650 Jesus Christ rescuing Peter. 119 00:08:07,018 --> 00:08:11,856 Peter started denying to believe in Christ and he started sinking. 120 00:08:11,858 --> 00:08:13,858 When I went to church on Sunday, 121 00:08:13,860 --> 00:08:15,092 and I always asked my mother, 122 00:08:15,094 --> 00:08:16,894 "How come is everything white?" 123 00:08:16,896 --> 00:08:21,465 I said, "Why is Jesus white with blond hair and blue eyes? 124 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:22,633 Angels are white." 125 00:08:22,635 --> 00:08:26,337 I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't pinpoint it. 126 00:08:27,706 --> 00:08:31,275 They had a lawyer whose name was Alberta Jones. 127 00:08:31,277 --> 00:08:36,013 She was an African-American lawyer and a very good one. 128 00:08:36,015 --> 00:08:41,952 He had little regard for money, except he wanted to have it to spend. 129 00:08:41,954 --> 00:08:43,521 When the group had him, 130 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:49,193 the top rate for income tax was 91%. 131 00:08:49,195 --> 00:08:50,794 It's now 35. 132 00:08:50,796 --> 00:08:56,901 So the more he made, the more he paid to the government. 133 00:08:56,903 --> 00:08:58,569 To solve that problem, 134 00:08:58,571 --> 00:09:01,038 the group paid for everything... 135 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,609 so he could just concentrate on his boxing. 136 00:09:08,113 --> 00:09:10,347 Cassius, do you believe that a fighter... 137 00:09:10,349 --> 00:09:12,283 actually tries to kill another fighter? 138 00:09:12,285 --> 00:09:14,885 Does he get that vicious? Do you get that vicious? 139 00:09:14,887 --> 00:09:18,322 Every time I enter a ring, I intend to down him. 140 00:09:18,324 --> 00:09:19,490 And if he should fall, he falls. 141 00:09:19,492 --> 00:09:24,662 Well, that's everybody's intention or we wouldn't go in. 142 00:09:26,665 --> 00:09:33,070 We had a fund that we fondly jokingly called "The Orange Juice Fund." 143 00:09:33,072 --> 00:09:37,007 When he was in Florida, we would get the bills... 144 00:09:37,009 --> 00:09:40,444 and they would be in the range of, say, 145 00:09:40,446 --> 00:09:43,914 2,000 gallons worth of orange juice. 146 00:09:43,916 --> 00:09:49,753 And we knew that he wasn't drinking 2,000 gallons of orange juice. 147 00:09:49,755 --> 00:09:55,125 But the entourage managed to get a little one way or another. 148 00:09:55,127 --> 00:09:59,163 We could not foresee the difficulties that would lie ahead... 149 00:09:59,165 --> 00:10:06,165 as far as military service and, of course, the Muslim affiliation. 150 00:10:09,074 --> 00:10:12,610 This is the corner where I met Cassius Clay in 1961. 151 00:10:12,612 --> 00:10:19,416 I'm standing on the corner of Second Avenue and Sixth Street in Miami, Florida. 152 00:10:19,418 --> 00:10:22,353 I was selling the Muhammad Speaks newspaper... 153 00:10:22,355 --> 00:10:25,923 to propagate the faith of Islam. 154 00:10:27,525 --> 00:10:30,527 We tried to clean our people up. 155 00:10:31,997 --> 00:10:36,934 We were trying to be the best citizens that American had. 156 00:10:36,936 --> 00:10:39,236 People trying to be righteous. 157 00:10:40,071 --> 00:10:44,074 We didn't smoke. We didn't use drugs. 158 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:47,144 We respected our women. 159 00:10:47,146 --> 00:10:52,449 We train our children to be the same way. This is what he saw. 160 00:10:52,451 --> 00:10:54,952 Cassius Clay holler across the street at me. 161 00:10:54,954 --> 00:10:59,256 He say, "Hey, brother, why are we called Negroes?" 162 00:10:59,258 --> 00:11:01,392 Why are we called Negroes? 163 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:03,160 "Why are we blind, deaf and dumb?" 164 00:11:03,162 --> 00:11:05,996 Why are we deaf, dumb and blind? 165 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:08,399 Why is everybody making progress... 166 00:11:08,401 --> 00:11:12,536 and yet we lag so far behind? 167 00:11:14,205 --> 00:11:17,141 I say, "Hey, man. You hip to the teachings then." 168 00:11:17,143 --> 00:11:18,175 He say, "Yeah, man." 169 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:22,379 Well, I took it on myself to program him, we might say, 170 00:11:22,381 --> 00:11:27,184 keep after him to become a Muslim in the Nation of Islam. 171 00:11:27,186 --> 00:11:28,485 But I wasn't the first one he heard it from, 172 00:11:28,487 --> 00:11:33,957 'cause he heard it mainly from that record Minister Farrakhan put out... 173 00:11:33,959 --> 00:11:37,394 "White Man's Heaven is a Black Man's Hell." 174 00:11:39,130 --> 00:11:43,967 ♪ When the slave master wanted to have some sport ♪ 175 00:11:43,969 --> 00:11:49,373 ♪ He would heap on our parents cruelties of the worst sort ♪ 176 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:51,408 ♪ Burn them at stake ♪ 177 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:53,243 ♪ Hang them on trees ♪ 178 00:11:53,245 --> 00:11:57,114 ♪ His ears were deaf to our parents' pleas ♪ 179 00:11:57,116 --> 00:12:01,051 ♪ Oh, my friend, it's easy to tell ♪ 180 00:12:01,053 --> 00:12:05,489 ♪ White man heaven is a black man hell ♪♪ 181 00:12:05,491 --> 00:12:09,493 When Cassius Marcellus Clay heard the song... 182 00:12:09,495 --> 00:12:13,097 "A White Man's Heaven is a Black Man's Hell"... 183 00:12:13,099 --> 00:12:16,667 which is still true to this very day... 184 00:12:16,669 --> 00:12:19,903 then he wanted to become a part of a movement... 185 00:12:19,905 --> 00:12:25,442 that would free the minds and hearts and spirit of our people. 186 00:12:25,444 --> 00:12:30,647 So he became a follower of the Nation of Islam. 187 00:12:31,616 --> 00:12:33,684 Black people at that time were tremendously vulnerable. 188 00:12:33,686 --> 00:12:38,622 Remember, we had no... There was really no advocate for the black community... 189 00:12:38,624 --> 00:12:42,726 other than Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. 190 00:12:42,728 --> 00:12:47,164 But we wanted to overcome yesterday, not someday. 191 00:12:47,166 --> 00:12:49,366 So the whole civil rights motif... 192 00:12:49,367 --> 00:12:50,335 was not attractive to us. 193 00:12:50,336 --> 00:12:56,540 The overalls and the Southern agrarian accoutrement... 194 00:12:56,542 --> 00:12:58,108 that they were fond of, 195 00:12:58,110 --> 00:12:59,476 this rubbed us the wrong way. 196 00:12:59,478 --> 00:13:01,645 I mean, we were city guys, you know. 197 00:13:01,647 --> 00:13:04,248 We wanted to look cool and urbane. 198 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:08,352 We didn't want to act as if we were farm workers, you know. 199 00:13:08,354 --> 00:13:13,290 1962, I took Cassius Clay to Detroit. 200 00:13:13,292 --> 00:13:16,226 I kind of introduced him to Malcolm at that time. 201 00:13:17,496 --> 00:13:21,098 It is time for you and me to stand up for ourselves. 202 00:13:21,100 --> 00:13:25,269 The Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us... 203 00:13:25,271 --> 00:13:27,337 don't let the white man speak for you... 204 00:13:27,339 --> 00:13:30,140 and don't let the white man fight for you. 205 00:13:32,377 --> 00:13:34,778 I think Malcolm X was absolutely critical... 206 00:13:34,780 --> 00:13:37,481 to bringing Ali in to the Nation of Islam. 207 00:13:37,483 --> 00:13:41,218 He was charismatic and Ali was equally charismatic. 208 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:43,687 And Ali was not very sophisticated politically. 209 00:13:43,689 --> 00:13:49,493 I think Malcolm simply bowled him over with his wisdom and his eloquence. 210 00:13:49,495 --> 00:13:51,695 Egypt was judged for enslaving the Hebrews. 211 00:13:51,697 --> 00:13:55,165 God destroyed them. This was the Judgment Day in their day. 212 00:13:55,167 --> 00:13:56,566 Today, America's faced with the same thing. 213 00:13:56,568 --> 00:13:58,070 If she doesn't let us go with 214 00:13:58,071 --> 00:13:59,571 the Honorable Elijah Muhammad out of this country, 215 00:13:59,572 --> 00:14:04,541 then America will be destroyed just as surely as Egypt was destroyed... 216 00:14:04,543 --> 00:14:07,077 and Babylon was destroyed. 217 00:14:09,848 --> 00:14:16,086 I came into the Nation of Islam in 1950. 218 00:14:16,088 --> 00:14:19,189 The minister was talking about... 219 00:14:19,191 --> 00:14:22,192 this cross... 220 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:25,729 that black people had been nailed to. 221 00:14:27,265 --> 00:14:33,203 Said their hands had been nailed to the cross where they couldn't use them... 222 00:14:33,205 --> 00:14:35,539 to work for themselves. 223 00:14:35,673 --> 00:14:39,810 Their feet had been nailed to this cross... 224 00:14:39,812 --> 00:14:43,814 where they couldn't travel as free men. 225 00:14:44,082 --> 00:14:49,219 A crown of thorns had been crushed into their brain... 226 00:14:49,221 --> 00:14:54,157 where they were unable to think for themselves. 227 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,760 And at that moment, 228 00:14:56,762 --> 00:14:58,595 it appeared as though that... 229 00:14:58,597 --> 00:15:00,898 you know, when you turn a light on... 230 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:04,501 bling, it clicked on in my head. 231 00:15:04,503 --> 00:15:09,206 The Nation of Islam will say, "Well, this is white America. 232 00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:10,474 Why should they include you? 233 00:15:10,476 --> 00:15:17,476 This is their country. Um, don't expect to be included in their mythology. 234 00:15:17,716 --> 00:15:20,550 Create your own mythology." 235 00:15:22,754 --> 00:15:24,521 One of the reasons why we could never progress... 236 00:15:24,523 --> 00:15:29,626 is because we had been indoctrinated by a culture that demeaned us. 237 00:15:29,628 --> 00:15:34,431 Christianity was widely interpreted to be a slave-making religion. 238 00:15:34,433 --> 00:15:37,567 Islam was seen to be a slave-breaking religion. 239 00:15:37,569 --> 00:15:39,369 Greetings to you. 240 00:15:39,371 --> 00:15:45,175 I'm Elijah Muhammad, the preacher of freedom, justice and equality... 241 00:15:45,177 --> 00:15:50,213 for my people who has been lost and now found. 242 00:15:50,215 --> 00:15:53,016 If you are a free man, don't say 243 00:15:53,018 --> 00:15:57,087 "I wanna make you treat me right" and you have made a slave 244 00:15:57,089 --> 00:16:03,293 out of my fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers for 400 years. 245 00:16:03,294 --> 00:16:03,528 No. 246 00:16:03,529 --> 00:16:09,066 I don't want to make you do nothing but let me go! 247 00:16:10,335 --> 00:16:13,804 Do you feel that integration is meaningless? 248 00:16:13,806 --> 00:16:17,407 I think integration is completely sin 249 00:16:17,409 --> 00:16:20,544 ...to the black man and white man. 250 00:16:20,546 --> 00:16:24,081 Separatism is the only solution. 251 00:16:24,083 --> 00:16:26,717 I don't think many members of the Nation of Islam... 252 00:16:26,719 --> 00:16:32,122 were concerned really with the intricacies of the religion itself. 253 00:16:32,124 --> 00:16:36,860 Elijah Muhammad reinterpreted Islam as part of a liberatory ideology. 254 00:16:36,862 --> 00:16:40,030 And that's the way it was presented to the Nation of Islam. 255 00:16:40,032 --> 00:16:43,867 I said the earth belongs to the black man. 256 00:16:48,373 --> 00:16:50,741 I don't know. There's some mysterious force there. 257 00:16:50,743 --> 00:16:52,542 Because he wasn't really a charismatic guy. 258 00:16:52,544 --> 00:16:56,580 But yet he had this amazing attraction to some of the... 259 00:16:56,582 --> 00:16:59,483 the meanest and most sociopathic 260 00:16:59,485 --> 00:17:00,951 members of the community, 261 00:17:00,953 --> 00:17:03,820 as well as righteous folk. 262 00:17:03,822 --> 00:17:07,657 He was indeed a majestic leader. 263 00:17:07,859 --> 00:17:10,994 When I first went to Miami training for a professional fight, 264 00:17:10,996 --> 00:17:12,462 I went to a Muslim meeting. 265 00:17:12,464 --> 00:17:17,467 And as soon as I heard it, I knew this is what I've been looking for all of my life. 266 00:17:17,469 --> 00:17:20,470 Well, the man proved to me that I was not a Negro, 267 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:21,571 that Cassius Clay was not my name, 268 00:17:21,573 --> 00:17:24,708 and I didn't know my language or my culture, my religion. 269 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,811 Today, few Negro leaders... militant or moderate... 270 00:17:27,813 --> 00:17:32,783 feel that the Negro masses will accept the Black Muslim social doctrine. 271 00:17:32,785 --> 00:17:35,952 I'm convinced that a doctrine of black supremacy... 272 00:17:35,954 --> 00:17:39,222 is as dangerous as a doctrine of white supremacy. 273 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,893 Fear of the secret dark. 274 00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:43,895 They are black Muslims, 275 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:48,732 a national religious cult that says it will take over the United States... 276 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:50,267 and eventually the world. 277 00:17:50,269 --> 00:17:54,471 Black capitalists... they preach "build black, buy black." 278 00:17:54,473 --> 00:18:00,043 The Muslims operate 47 schools of their own in the United States, 279 00:18:00,045 --> 00:18:04,781 including the University of Islam in Chicago. 280 00:18:05,416 --> 00:18:10,854 Growing up in the Nation of Islam was extraordinary. 281 00:18:10,856 --> 00:18:15,792 We were living in a nation within a nation, 282 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:18,395 which is this nation. 283 00:18:18,729 --> 00:18:22,399 Cassius Marcellus Clay came to Chicago... 284 00:18:22,401 --> 00:18:27,571 to visit the Honorable Elijah Muhammad's empire. 285 00:18:27,573 --> 00:18:29,973 He said, "This Elijah Muhammad, 286 00:18:29,975 --> 00:18:36,046 he called white men the devil and... I mean, that's pretty bold. 287 00:18:36,048 --> 00:18:38,949 I want to meet this powerful man." 288 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:40,851 And that's where I was at. 289 00:18:40,853 --> 00:18:44,688 I was in the school, and I was 10 years old. 290 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:49,559 Clay, he was introduced to the whole masses in the auditorium. 291 00:18:49,561 --> 00:18:53,163 And he stood up there and said to us... 292 00:18:53,498 --> 00:18:57,570 "I'm gonna be heavyweight champion before I'm 21. 293 00:18:57,571 --> 00:19:00,071 So get your autographs now." 294 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,876 So he came to me. He says, "Hey, little girl"... 295 00:19:05,878 --> 00:19:07,544 And he was scribbling his name... 296 00:19:07,546 --> 00:19:11,915 I says, "Brother, I'm gonna tell you something." 297 00:19:12,016 --> 00:19:14,818 And as I'm telling him this, I'm tearing up the autograph. 298 00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:19,956 "And you learn who you are and you don't have the white man's name... 299 00:19:19,958 --> 00:19:21,925 the slave name, you know... 300 00:19:21,927 --> 00:19:23,827 then you can come back to me and we'll talk." 301 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:28,098 And I opened up his hand and put the paper in his hand. 302 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:31,635 And he froze. And he said, 303 00:19:31,836 --> 00:19:38,008 "What? Who is she?" And I walked away. 304 00:19:55,627 --> 00:19:57,694 55,000 people came that night. 305 00:19:57,696 --> 00:20:00,597 You should have seen the people. One layer. 306 00:20:00,599 --> 00:20:06,937 Two layers. 10,000 on each layer. 15,000, 20,000 on some. 307 00:20:06,939 --> 00:20:08,572 Four layers and a fifth layer. 308 00:20:08,574 --> 00:20:10,540 People were looking down on the ring. 309 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:13,243 55,000 and Cleopatra was at ringside. 310 00:20:13,245 --> 00:20:16,012 We don't believe it. The fifth round came. 311 00:20:16,014 --> 00:20:18,014 I hit him. 312 00:20:18,016 --> 00:20:20,750 Yeah, I said, "Come on, sucker." 313 00:20:20,752 --> 00:20:24,087 And he said, "Break it up." I said, "There he is." 314 00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:26,656 Let me see you close your mouth and just keep it closed. 315 00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:29,092 - Well, you know that's impossible. - No, no, now keep it closed. 316 00:20:29,094 --> 00:20:31,228 You know that's impossible. I'm the greatest. 317 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:32,996 And I'm knocking out all bums. 318 00:20:32,998 --> 00:20:37,133 And if you get too smart, I'll knock you out. 319 00:20:40,938 --> 00:20:46,843 Cassius Clay was training for the Sonny Liston fight. 320 00:20:46,845 --> 00:20:49,012 For the heavyweight championship. 321 00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:52,415 I wanted him to be a registered Muslim. 322 00:20:52,550 --> 00:20:55,585 When you come into Islam, we write a letter... 323 00:20:55,587 --> 00:20:57,520 saying we believe in the teachings. 324 00:20:57,522 --> 00:21:00,056 And we put our slave name in the letter. 325 00:21:00,058 --> 00:21:04,761 Those were the names the slave master had when they owned our ancestors. 326 00:21:04,763 --> 00:21:07,931 So he wrote his letter and sent if off to Chicago... 327 00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:12,202 and then they sent back what we called "X." 328 00:21:12,204 --> 00:21:14,104 He became Cassius X. 329 00:21:14,106 --> 00:21:21,044 And then the promoters, they was trying to get Ali to denounce the religion. 330 00:21:21,046 --> 00:21:22,212 And they told Ali, 331 00:21:22,214 --> 00:21:26,049 "You got to get rid of them Muslim kooks... 332 00:21:26,051 --> 00:21:27,884 and Captain Sam"... That's me... 333 00:21:27,886 --> 00:21:31,021 "and denounce that religion, otherwise there ain't gonna be no fight." 334 00:21:31,023 --> 00:21:35,692 Well, Ali had been training all his life for a fight for the heavyweight championship. 335 00:21:35,694 --> 00:21:38,862 So that summer scare a man to death. 336 00:21:39,930 --> 00:21:42,666 I said, "Man, don't believe that." 337 00:21:42,668 --> 00:21:44,134 I said, "Money's the white man's god." 338 00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:47,037 And I said, "You the only one who can make any money for 'em." 339 00:21:47,038 --> 00:21:47,838 I said, "Hold to your belief." 340 00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:52,842 Ali was packing up his bus to leave Miami, and they ran over there. 341 00:21:52,844 --> 00:21:54,611 "Uh, where you goin', Champ?" 342 00:21:54,613 --> 00:21:56,079 He said, "I'm fin to go to Louisville." 343 00:21:56,081 --> 00:21:58,148 They said, "Wait a minute. The fight's on. The fight's on. 344 00:21:58,150 --> 00:22:01,785 You just don't say you're a Muslim. We ain't gonna say it neither." 345 00:22:01,787 --> 00:22:04,788 Ali said, "All right, I won't talk about it." 346 00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:12,529 Cassius Clay had no right to be in a ring with Sonny Liston. 347 00:22:18,836 --> 00:22:23,640 He had never beaten anybody of importance. 348 00:22:23,641 --> 00:22:24,208 He was untried. 349 00:22:24,209 --> 00:22:27,277 Jerry, I'm the greatest fighter that ever stepped foot in the ring. 350 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,748 But I'm getting ready to participate in the biggest fight of all time. 351 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:32,849 More money will be lost that night. 352 00:22:32,851 --> 00:22:37,087 This will be the biggest upset in the century of all boxing. 353 00:22:37,089 --> 00:22:38,888 I think you're a big bag of wind. 354 00:22:38,890 --> 00:22:41,725 Now, just hear me out. Wait a minute. Hold it a second. 355 00:22:41,727 --> 00:22:43,960 - I think that, one... - Bodyguards. 356 00:22:43,962 --> 00:22:45,395 Hold it. 357 00:22:45,397 --> 00:22:48,365 I think that you're the damnedest showman that ever lived, 358 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:49,766 - and you ain't kidding anybody. - People... 359 00:22:49,768 --> 00:22:53,103 Will you let me finish and shut your mouth for one minute. 360 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:56,508 Cassius, Sonny Liston said that 361 00:22:56,509 --> 00:22:58,709 you should be arrested for impersonating a fighter. 362 00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:02,712 He said you should be turned over his knee and spanked. 363 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,783 The odds were 7-to-1. It's very big odds... 364 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:09,018 for a heavyweight championship fight. 365 00:23:09,020 --> 00:23:12,689 I'm just ready to fight. And I'm glad it'll be here... 366 00:23:12,691 --> 00:23:15,058 where all these bigmouth people here in Miami... 367 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:17,694 talking about I talk too much and Liston's gonna whup me. 368 00:23:17,696 --> 00:23:20,098 Well, I want all of them to be there. 369 00:23:20,099 --> 00:23:21,699 And I'm gonna shut up all of you's mouths. 370 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:26,035 The challenger from Louisville, Kentucky... 371 00:23:26,037 --> 00:23:28,037 Cassius Clay. 372 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:31,975 - Clay. - Cassius Marcellus Clay, 22 years of age. 373 00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:34,010 Going for all the marbles in the boxing business. 374 00:23:34,012 --> 00:23:38,214 In my opinion, fights are always won with fists and not with mouth talk. 375 00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:39,916 I pick Liston to win by the fifth round. 376 00:23:39,918 --> 00:23:43,086 - It has to be Liston. - Liston is a much bigger puncher. 377 00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:45,889 - The fifth round. - Oh, I think in the third. 378 00:23:45,891 --> 00:23:49,492 I'm not quite sure that anything human can hurt Sonny Liston. 379 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,670 Cassius Clay on the move as we see. 380 00:24:01,639 --> 00:24:04,674 The right hand! The best punch of the fight so far! 381 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:07,710 It was not a heavyweight championship fight physically. 382 00:24:07,711 --> 00:24:08,412 There was more to it than that. 383 00:24:08,413 --> 00:24:12,816 I looked at all of the historic things that were taking place on this earth, 384 00:24:12,818 --> 00:24:17,821 and to me, time itself was on Cassius's side. 385 00:24:18,923 --> 00:24:24,060 Seconds remaining in the sixth. 386 00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:29,332 The crowd now cheering the challenger. 387 00:24:29,334 --> 00:24:32,769 What do you think is going on in Sonny's mind at this point? 388 00:24:32,771 --> 00:24:34,571 Well, I think Sonny's beginning to worry now. 389 00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:36,673 At least his corner's beginning to worry. 390 00:24:36,675 --> 00:24:42,178 They might be stopping it. That might be all, ladies and gentlemen. 391 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:45,081 It's a technical knockout. 392 00:24:48,052 --> 00:24:50,954 Okay, get Cassius Clay... Wait! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! 393 00:24:50,956 --> 00:24:53,823 At the black Muslims convention in Chicago, 394 00:24:53,825 --> 00:24:57,095 Elijah Muhammad came closer than anyone so far 395 00:24:57,096 --> 00:24:58,796 in proclaiming Clay a member. 396 00:24:58,797 --> 00:25:01,297 Clay has hinted that he is at least on the fringe. 397 00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:04,767 Elijah Muhammad all but pushed him across. 398 00:25:04,769 --> 00:25:06,736 The enemy wanted him 399 00:25:06,738 --> 00:25:10,273 to come out all blasted. 400 00:25:10,975 --> 00:25:13,343 They had said the he would- 401 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,412 Liston would tear up that pretty face of yours. 402 00:25:20,084 --> 00:25:23,486 But Allah and myself said, "No, no." 403 00:25:26,490 --> 00:25:29,192 God's with me! Can't nobody be against me! 404 00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:30,593 I shook up the world! 405 00:25:30,595 --> 00:25:33,496 I know God! I know the real God! 406 00:25:33,498 --> 00:25:36,399 You must listen to me! 407 00:25:37,902 --> 00:25:40,270 You tell it, boy. 408 00:25:40,272 --> 00:25:44,340 The morning after, he was very subdued. 409 00:25:44,342 --> 00:25:47,076 I don't have to talk no more. I done proved my point. 410 00:25:47,078 --> 00:25:51,047 All I have to do is just be a nice, clean gentleman. That's all. 411 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:53,350 Nice, clean gentleman. 412 00:25:53,351 --> 00:25:59,055 At that moment, all the older reporters walked away. 413 00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:00,924 And then one young reporter said, 414 00:26:00,926 --> 00:26:05,562 "What about the rumor that you're a card-carrying Muslim?" 415 00:26:05,564 --> 00:26:09,165 And he... What... You know, what does that mean? 416 00:26:09,167 --> 00:26:11,134 I like everybody. 417 00:26:11,136 --> 00:26:12,936 I treat everybody right. 418 00:26:12,937 --> 00:26:14,204 "What about segregation? 419 00:26:14,205 --> 00:26:17,841 Don't you want to be part of the civil rights struggle? Integration?" 420 00:26:17,842 --> 00:26:18,542 He said, "No." 421 00:26:18,543 --> 00:26:21,911 I don't have to be what you want me to be. 422 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,181 I'm free to be what I want to be and think what I want to think. 423 00:26:25,183 --> 00:26:28,451 That was kind of his Declaration of Independence. 424 00:26:28,453 --> 00:26:32,288 This is complete freedom, not just a cup of coffee or a seat in a school... 425 00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:35,058 or a token... This is real. 426 00:26:37,027 --> 00:26:39,731 The Honorable Elijah Muhammad say 427 00:26:39,732 --> 00:26:42,032 he was too big of a man to carry that "X"... 428 00:26:42,033 --> 00:26:45,101 and named him Muhammad Ali. 429 00:26:45,369 --> 00:26:48,204 I remember the exact moment we told my dad and mom. 430 00:26:48,206 --> 00:26:52,909 We said, "The Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave us our name." 431 00:26:52,911 --> 00:26:54,277 They became very angry. 432 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,045 They said, "What in the world do you mean?" 433 00:26:56,047 --> 00:27:02,051 My brother said, "Dad, I'm Muhammad Ali." You got to accept it. 434 00:27:02,052 --> 00:27:02,920 What does it mean? 435 00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:08,124 "Muhammad" means "worthy of all praises" and "Ali" means "most high." 436 00:27:09,026 --> 00:27:13,262 At the New York Times, the top editor felt... 437 00:27:13,264 --> 00:27:14,330 we met you as Cassius Clay. 438 00:27:14,332 --> 00:27:20,403 Until you go into a court of law and change your name, you are Cassius Clay. 439 00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:22,105 And it really kind of bothered me. 440 00:27:22,107 --> 00:27:25,875 Nobody asked John Wayne or Rock Hudson what their names were. 441 00:27:25,877 --> 00:27:28,444 But I tried to slip it in when I could. 442 00:27:28,446 --> 00:27:34,217 I usually ended up writing "Muhammad Ali, a.k.a. Cassius Clay." 443 00:27:34,219 --> 00:27:37,353 His change of name, what did it threaten? 444 00:27:37,355 --> 00:27:41,357 If he was white, they would be referring to him as the All-American boy. 445 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,526 It was an affront to many Americans... 446 00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,428 that the heavyweight champion of the world... 447 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:48,898 would reject American identity and all of that entails... 448 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:53,102 for something as obscure and cultish as the Nation of Islam. 449 00:27:53,104 --> 00:27:56,039 Cassius, you're... -I'm not Cassius. You still calling me... 450 00:27:56,041 --> 00:27:59,509 - Or Muhammad, you're talking... - I'm not no white man. 451 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:03,046 So you want to keep calling me a white man's name. I'm not white. 452 00:28:03,048 --> 00:28:05,682 I don't want to be called after your name no more. 453 00:28:05,684 --> 00:28:09,285 I'm not no slave. I'm Muhammad Ali. 454 00:28:14,258 --> 00:28:16,626 I was working in the bakery... 455 00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:20,296 and he would go in and he would say, 456 00:28:20,298 --> 00:28:24,600 "I know your name. I know your name." 457 00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:29,972 And I'd say, "Well, whoop-de-do." I says that. 458 00:28:29,974 --> 00:28:36,512 He says, "And I got a name of culture now. My name is Muhammad Ali." 459 00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:44,153 Now that he gave me the beautiful name of Muhammad Ali... 460 00:28:44,155 --> 00:28:46,989 and took away that slave name of Cassius Clay, 461 00:28:46,991 --> 00:28:48,624 now I can go all over the world. 462 00:28:48,626 --> 00:28:52,662 All over the world! 463 00:28:53,263 --> 00:28:57,934 Muslims all over the world who never followed boxing said, 464 00:28:57,936 --> 00:28:59,402 "Ooh! Look. 465 00:28:59,404 --> 00:29:06,042 There's a Muslim in America named Muhammad Ali. 466 00:29:06,044 --> 00:29:11,214 Those are big, big names in the Islamic world. 467 00:29:11,715 --> 00:29:16,052 His international appeal, it was vast. 468 00:29:16,053 --> 00:29:16,520 Welcome. 469 00:29:16,521 --> 00:29:19,522 The young people of Ghana want to welcome you. 470 00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:22,625 Ghana, Nigeria, Pakistan and Turkey, 471 00:29:22,627 --> 00:29:26,062 they call me their champion too. 472 00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:29,398 I was surprised. The whole world was watching it. 473 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,001 - They sure were. - Yeah. 474 00:29:44,915 --> 00:29:47,150 What kind of impression do you try to leave... 475 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:48,684 on the nations you visit over there? 476 00:29:48,686 --> 00:29:54,090 Well, uh, just as a clean-living Muslim. 477 00:29:54,092 --> 00:29:57,627 Letting them know they have hundreds and thousands of brothers 478 00:29:57,628 --> 00:29:58,228 here in America. 479 00:29:58,229 --> 00:30:00,797 All of these are Muslim countries that I've been to. 480 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:02,698 He's in a better position than anyone else... 481 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:07,336 to restore the racial pride to not only our people in this country, 482 00:30:07,338 --> 00:30:08,571 but all over the world. 483 00:30:08,573 --> 00:30:12,241 As-salaam alaikum. 484 00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:15,244 I've been all over into the deepest parts of Africa... 485 00:30:15,246 --> 00:30:21,150 and Egypt, and everybody knows and are talking about the Muslims in America. 486 00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:23,686 Everybody. 487 00:30:24,121 --> 00:30:28,658 And if it was not for the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad... 488 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,093 not bragging, but a man in my position... 489 00:30:31,095 --> 00:30:34,230 that would be the last place I would go is Africa and Egypt. 490 00:30:34,232 --> 00:30:39,569 The first stop would have been Paris, London, France, like the rest of them. 491 00:30:47,644 --> 00:30:52,348 He hired Elijah Muhammad's son to be his "manager." 492 00:30:52,350 --> 00:30:56,054 But it was very clear that he didn't really mean 493 00:30:56,055 --> 00:30:58,155 manager like the Louisville Sponsoring Group. 494 00:30:58,156 --> 00:30:59,755 How many managers do you have? 495 00:30:59,757 --> 00:31:04,093 Oh, I have 11 backers. I don't... I have one manager. 496 00:31:04,095 --> 00:31:05,194 They flattered him. 497 00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:11,200 They treated him as a very important person, which, of course, he was. 498 00:31:11,202 --> 00:31:13,336 They made him a hero. 499 00:31:13,338 --> 00:31:14,570 He didn't live in Louisville anymore. 500 00:31:14,572 --> 00:31:19,475 But he was never introduced as anything except from Louisville, Kentucky. 501 00:31:19,477 --> 00:31:24,347 To a boxer, that's not a small thing, how you're announced. 502 00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:30,086 Ali kept his word on every fight that we made for him. 503 00:31:30,088 --> 00:31:36,926 And he never argued about black or white problems with us. 504 00:31:36,928 --> 00:31:39,161 I think Ali probably told the Muslims 505 00:31:39,163 --> 00:31:43,065 don't mess with the Louisville Sponsoring Group. 506 00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:45,434 Leave them alone. 507 00:31:46,403 --> 00:31:50,806 I understand that you're headed to meet with Elijah Muhammad. 508 00:31:50,808 --> 00:31:53,609 - Yes, sir. Having dinner with him. - Uh-huh. 509 00:31:53,611 --> 00:31:56,846 One of the main reasons is your friendship with Malcolm X. 510 00:31:56,848 --> 00:32:00,483 - He's a friend of yours now, isn't he? - Yeah. He is a brother of mine. 511 00:32:00,485 --> 00:32:03,519 He's my brother. Whatever he do, he's my brother. -Uh-huh. 512 00:32:03,521 --> 00:32:04,620 Now that he's split away from the... 513 00:32:04,622 --> 00:32:08,758 I don't know about splitting. I'll have to see the higher authority on that. 514 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,793 There's been great publicity given to the fact... 515 00:32:10,795 --> 00:32:14,330 that heavyweight champion Cassius Clay is one of your followers. 516 00:32:14,332 --> 00:32:16,632 Well, Cassius is following Elijah Muhammad. 517 00:32:16,634 --> 00:32:22,838 And, uh, I'm no longer a follower of Elijah Muhammad myself. 518 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,907 And I think that the black Muslim movement, 519 00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:28,711 if it doesn't adopt the Sunni practice of Islam, 520 00:32:28,713 --> 00:32:31,614 that it will disintegrate and fall apart. 521 00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:34,517 There's no organization in this country... 522 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,954 that could do more for the struggling black man... 523 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:41,757 than the black Muslim movement if it wanted to. 524 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,560 But it has gotten into the possession... 525 00:32:44,562 --> 00:32:46,429 of a man who's become senile, 526 00:32:46,431 --> 00:32:49,732 and then he has surrounded himself by his children... 527 00:32:49,734 --> 00:32:53,369 who are now in power and want nothing but luxury... 528 00:32:53,371 --> 00:32:56,472 and will do anything to safeguard their own interests. 529 00:32:56,474 --> 00:33:03,474 People like myself and Ali, we were in the valley of decision. 530 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:07,717 Should I follow a man that taught me... 531 00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:12,788 or should I follow the teacher of the man who taught me? 532 00:33:12,790 --> 00:33:15,691 Elijah Muhammad called all of his officials... 533 00:33:15,693 --> 00:33:18,594 national officials to Chicago in October... 534 00:33:18,596 --> 00:33:24,367 and ordered them to kill or maim any of his followers... 535 00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:26,736 who leave him to follow me. 536 00:33:26,738 --> 00:33:29,005 Does this split disturb you that's been reported? 537 00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:33,175 No. What Malcolm X does is his business. He's one man. 538 00:33:33,343 --> 00:33:38,881 Muhammad Ali chose to go with the establishment, so to speak. 539 00:33:38,883 --> 00:33:43,819 Elijah Muhammad has given his blessing to a new recruiter... 540 00:33:43,821 --> 00:33:46,355 Cassius Muhammad Ali Clay. 541 00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:49,592 We are the greatest! 542 00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:51,494 Clay is no Malcolm X, 543 00:33:51,496 --> 00:33:55,531 but he has become an idol for youngsters. 544 00:33:55,699 --> 00:33:58,300 A lot of Malcolmites who were following Malcolm... 545 00:33:58,302 --> 00:34:01,604 were really not equally attracted to the Nation of Islam. 546 00:34:01,606 --> 00:34:05,307 They were attracted to Malcolm's audacity, his eloquence... 547 00:34:05,309 --> 00:34:08,079 and his vision, which, in some ways, 548 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,780 elaborated the vision of the Nation of Islam. 549 00:34:09,781 --> 00:34:14,850 I pray that God will bless you in everything that you do. 550 00:34:15,352 --> 00:34:18,888 I pray that you will grow intellectually... 551 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,690 so that you can understand the problems of the world... 552 00:34:21,692 --> 00:34:25,928 and where you fit into in that world picture. 553 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:37,940 He's a hero to me. He stood out among all black people. 554 00:34:37,942 --> 00:34:39,442 He showed the white man where it was at. 555 00:34:39,444 --> 00:34:41,710 Who do you believe is responsible for Malcolm X's death? 556 00:34:41,712 --> 00:34:42,912 The white power structure is America is behind it. 557 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:47,950 And they're quick to capitalize on it by saying that one of his own kind did it. 558 00:34:47,952 --> 00:34:50,586 But they put it up to be done. 559 00:34:55,725 --> 00:34:59,063 Now, I give him credit for the good work he done 560 00:34:59,064 --> 00:35:00,864 when he was with the Nation of Islam. 561 00:35:00,865 --> 00:35:03,365 We didn't have nobody better. 562 00:35:03,934 --> 00:35:07,203 But Elijah Muhammad made him. 563 00:35:07,471 --> 00:35:08,737 When Malcolm was a good man... 564 00:35:08,739 --> 00:35:11,740 preaching the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, 565 00:35:11,742 --> 00:35:14,477 I would have gave my life for him. 566 00:35:14,479 --> 00:35:16,579 But when he turned viciously... 567 00:35:16,581 --> 00:35:18,747 against the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, 568 00:35:18,749 --> 00:35:22,618 if I could have got a hold of him, I might have killed him myself. 569 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,553 But we didn't kill him. 'Cause you know why? 570 00:35:24,555 --> 00:35:26,989 Because we took orders from the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. 571 00:35:26,991 --> 00:35:29,758 He told us not to touch him. Let him just go. 572 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,029 Malcolm is the victim of his own preaching. 573 00:35:34,031 --> 00:35:36,765 He preached violence, and so he become the victim of it. 574 00:35:36,767 --> 00:35:40,636 So many things have been said wrong about Malcolm X. 575 00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:45,474 Malcolm X was a very nice person. 576 00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:49,812 The Bible says "He without sin cast the first stone." 577 00:35:49,814 --> 00:35:51,580 That's a strong statement. 578 00:35:54,952 --> 00:35:57,686 The night that Malcolm X was killed, 579 00:35:57,688 --> 00:36:02,391 there was a fire in Ali's apartment. 580 00:36:03,026 --> 00:36:06,829 The implication was that it was arson. 581 00:36:07,464 --> 00:36:10,666 That it was some sort of revenge. 582 00:36:10,668 --> 00:36:11,934 Uh, I don't know. 583 00:36:11,936 --> 00:36:17,940 I think there's no question that Ali had to have been scared himself. 584 00:36:17,942 --> 00:36:19,909 Malcolm, in many ways, 585 00:36:19,911 --> 00:36:24,146 was a more important political figure than Muhammad Ali. 586 00:36:24,148 --> 00:36:30,553 I mean, if you could waste him, you could certainly waste Ali. 587 00:36:30,555 --> 00:36:32,888 He was still just a boxer. 588 00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:38,127 I feel for his life because the condition the world is in today. 589 00:36:38,129 --> 00:36:41,163 And, uh, you never know what's going to happen... 590 00:36:41,165 --> 00:36:43,165 when you're in public life like he is. 591 00:36:43,167 --> 00:36:48,137 And I'm much concerned about the fire that started in his apartment. 592 00:36:48,139 --> 00:36:51,907 And I do wish that he would withdraw from this movement... 593 00:36:51,909 --> 00:36:55,010 because I am awful worried about him. 594 00:36:55,012 --> 00:36:57,046 We raised him to be a Christian... 595 00:36:57,048 --> 00:37:00,883 and took him to church every Sunday when he was small... 596 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:05,187 on up till he got out, you know, in the world on his own. 597 00:37:05,189 --> 00:37:09,225 And then he got in this organization which we do not approve of at all. 598 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:12,661 Your mother was quoted yesterday in Louisville as saying... 599 00:37:12,663 --> 00:37:14,096 that she felt you ought to leave the Muslim movement. 600 00:37:14,098 --> 00:37:15,599 How do you feel about... 601 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,500 It's natural for a mother to be worried about her son... 602 00:37:17,501 --> 00:37:21,537 with the press writing all of these things about somebody's life's in danger. 603 00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:22,871 You know how the press can blow things up... 604 00:37:22,873 --> 00:37:26,275 and make it look like we in a war with some black people. 605 00:37:26,277 --> 00:37:28,744 We not at war with nobody. 606 00:37:28,812 --> 00:37:31,513 And I'm walking the streets daily by myself. 607 00:37:31,515 --> 00:37:35,217 And, uh, if anybody want me, they can find me. 608 00:37:35,219 --> 00:37:39,121 Malcolm X and anybody else who attacks, uh... 609 00:37:39,123 --> 00:37:42,258 talks about attacking Elijah Muhammad will die. 610 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:47,060 No man can oppose the message of Almighty God, 611 00:37:47,061 --> 00:37:49,261 uh, verbally or physically... 612 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:51,700 and get away with it. 613 00:37:59,709 --> 00:38:05,082 Floyd Patterson didn't think that there should be a Muslim 614 00:38:05,083 --> 00:38:06,283 heavyweight champion. 615 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:11,020 Refused to call Ali by his new name. 616 00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:13,922 Cassius Clay doesn't fully understand... 617 00:38:13,924 --> 00:38:17,126 what the black Muslim stands for. 618 00:38:17,994 --> 00:38:20,029 It's like the Ku Klux Klan. 619 00:38:20,031 --> 00:38:24,566 I think that hurts the championship quite a bit. 620 00:38:27,871 --> 00:38:30,005 Oh, I'm gonna have to give him a good whipping. 621 00:38:30,007 --> 00:38:32,312 And I have entitled it 622 00:38:32,313 --> 00:38:36,713 "A Floyd Patterson Humiliation Punishment." 623 00:38:45,689 --> 00:38:49,090 Floyd was kind of a hero to us at one point. 624 00:38:49,092 --> 00:38:49,960 You know, 625 00:38:49,961 --> 00:38:51,961 a black heavyweight champion is always a big hit in the black community. 626 00:38:51,962 --> 00:38:55,964 But when he came up against Muhammad Ali, 627 00:38:55,966 --> 00:38:58,267 he was fighting the fight of America... 628 00:38:58,269 --> 00:39:01,737 doing the job of slaying the militant Negro. 629 00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:03,906 I was at the Floyd Patterson fight. 630 00:39:03,908 --> 00:39:08,177 The man was bent over like somebody with osteoporosis. 631 00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:13,649 He couldn't really defend himself. The fight should have been stopped. 632 00:39:13,651 --> 00:39:17,720 One or two good combinations and he'd be gone. 633 00:39:17,722 --> 00:39:23,058 I think he carried Floyd Patterson just so that he could inflict the punishment. 634 00:39:23,060 --> 00:39:27,763 The champion continues to be on target. 635 00:39:28,498 --> 00:39:30,733 It was disgusting. 636 00:39:30,735 --> 00:39:34,169 Muhammad Ali had prolonged the punishment... 637 00:39:34,171 --> 00:39:37,172 to make sure Patterson understood his offense. 638 00:39:37,174 --> 00:39:40,809 It perfectly harmonized with our feelings about Floyd Patterson. 639 00:39:40,811 --> 00:39:44,113 So Muhammad Ali became even more heroic. 640 00:39:45,816 --> 00:39:49,351 It was a truly terrible moment in boxing, 641 00:39:49,353 --> 00:39:52,988 as was the way he took apart Ernie Terrell. 642 00:39:52,990 --> 00:39:54,289 I don't usually make predictions, 643 00:39:54,291 --> 00:39:57,860 but I see Clay with such limited ability... 644 00:39:57,862 --> 00:39:59,395 that I'm predicting that I will knock him out. 645 00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:02,067 My name is Muhammad Ali, 646 00:40:02,068 --> 00:40:05,068 and you will announce it right there in the center of that ring... 647 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:07,169 after the fight if you don't do it now. 648 00:40:07,171 --> 00:40:11,173 You are acting just like an old Uncle Tom. 649 00:40:11,175 --> 00:40:14,343 In this age of beatification of Muhammad Ali, 650 00:40:14,345 --> 00:40:18,280 we forget just how great a fighter he was. 651 00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:22,553 And I don't think it's possible to be a great fighter 652 00:40:22,554 --> 00:40:24,954 unless you have a mean streak. 653 00:40:24,954 --> 00:40:25,889 He had it. 654 00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:29,291 Ali continues to scream at Terrell. 655 00:40:29,293 --> 00:40:31,326 He beat the hell out of those 656 00:40:31,328 --> 00:40:33,762 who didn't want to use his name. 657 00:40:33,764 --> 00:40:38,400 "My name is Muhammad Ali. What's my name?" Bam, bam, bam. 658 00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:43,071 And that's the bell. 659 00:40:43,073 --> 00:40:44,907 Ali continues his taunts. 660 00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:48,243 Ali was exemplifying a freedom... 661 00:40:48,245 --> 00:40:51,880 that most black people did not enjoy. 662 00:40:54,351 --> 00:41:00,422 So that made him loved by some and hated by others. 663 00:41:00,424 --> 00:41:04,359 There's a rule in boxing. They say this fella has a killer instinct... 664 00:41:04,361 --> 00:41:05,961 or he don't have a killer instinct. 665 00:41:05,963 --> 00:41:11,066 But I call it aggressive... aggressive instinct. 666 00:41:11,068 --> 00:41:13,168 Uh, we're not out to kill nobody. 667 00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:20,170 I don't know if my conscience would let me live if I even killed someone. 668 00:41:27,951 --> 00:41:31,220 This is really war. 669 00:41:31,287 --> 00:41:33,922 It is guided by North Vietnam. 670 00:41:33,924 --> 00:41:38,894 Its goal is to defeat American power. 671 00:41:41,164 --> 00:41:43,899 Muhammad Ali gets a phone call. 672 00:41:43,901 --> 00:41:47,870 And he runs in, answers the phone, 673 00:41:47,872 --> 00:41:50,472 comes back and he is wild. 674 00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:57,179 And he tells me that he had just been reclassified 1-A. 675 00:41:58,414 --> 00:42:00,315 And another thing I don't understand... 676 00:42:00,317 --> 00:42:06,722 is why me, a man who pays the salary of at least 50,000 men in Vietnam, 677 00:42:06,724 --> 00:42:09,094 a man who the government 678 00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:11,895 takes six million dollars from a year out in two fights, 679 00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:17,266 a man who can pay, in two fights, for three bomber planes, 680 00:42:17,268 --> 00:42:20,536 why would you take and seek out and be anxious... 681 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:23,872 to call me out of 30 men who you could have called? 682 00:42:23,874 --> 00:42:25,507 And I'm fighting for the government every day. 683 00:42:25,509 --> 00:42:28,411 In other words, you think they called you 684 00:42:28,412 --> 00:42:29,512 only because you're the heavyweight champion... 685 00:42:29,513 --> 00:42:33,248 And a Muslim too. Ever since I've joined the Muslim religion, 686 00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:34,449 I've been catching hell from here... 687 00:42:34,451 --> 00:42:37,853 Somebody said, "So, you could be drafted... 688 00:42:37,855 --> 00:42:41,790 and you're gonna go in the army and you're gonna go to Vietnam... 689 00:42:41,792 --> 00:42:43,458 and you're gonna be on the front lines... 690 00:42:43,460 --> 00:42:45,093 and you're gonna have to kill Vietcong. 691 00:42:45,095 --> 00:42:47,162 I mean, how do you feel about all of this?" 692 00:42:47,164 --> 00:42:51,433 And he said, "I ain't got nothing against them Vietcong." 693 00:42:51,534 --> 00:42:58,373 I mean, that... that was carved in the stone facade of history. 694 00:42:58,375 --> 00:43:00,309 And then later on, 695 00:43:00,311 --> 00:43:01,410 it was embellished... 696 00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:04,479 "I ain't got no quarrel with them Vietcong." 697 00:43:04,481 --> 00:43:08,083 "No Vietcong ever called me nigger." 698 00:43:08,217 --> 00:43:12,588 I'm asking you if you apologize for the unpatriotic remarks that you made. 699 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:15,624 I'm not apologizing for nothing like that because I don't have to. 700 00:43:15,626 --> 00:43:20,529 I'm just apologizing for what I said to the newspapers and to the press. 701 00:43:20,531 --> 00:43:25,233 - Mr. Clay... - Muhammad Ali, sir. 702 00:43:25,235 --> 00:43:28,971 - Or Mr. Muhammad Ali, either one. - Yes, sir. Just Muhammad Ali. 703 00:43:28,973 --> 00:43:32,040 When you appeared before this commission before, 704 00:43:32,042 --> 00:43:33,208 if I recall correctly, 705 00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:36,878 you said you were the people's champion? -Yes, sir. 706 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,849 Do you think that you're acting like a people's champion? 707 00:43:40,851 --> 00:43:43,051 Yes, sir. 708 00:43:47,457 --> 00:43:53,095 Members of the group went to various reserve units, uh, in the community... 709 00:43:53,097 --> 00:43:59,001 to see whether or not they would take him in in the National Guard... 710 00:43:59,003 --> 00:44:02,337 or the Navy Reserve or whatever. 711 00:44:02,339 --> 00:44:03,905 They all said they would. 712 00:44:03,907 --> 00:44:08,043 We felt that he would be a Joe Louis. 713 00:44:08,645 --> 00:44:11,113 Joe Louis served and never carried a gun. 714 00:44:11,115 --> 00:44:13,448 But he boxed, wore the uniform... 715 00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:16,985 and did a fine service to his country. 716 00:44:21,257 --> 00:44:24,292 I got a call and Ali said, 717 00:44:24,294 --> 00:44:29,231 "If I went to war, I would probably be in one of them boxing things like Joe Louis. 718 00:44:29,233 --> 00:44:31,400 I wouldn't be really fighting in the war." 719 00:44:31,402 --> 00:44:33,235 I says, "That's not the point. 720 00:44:33,237 --> 00:44:39,107 You have to understand that once you sign your name to that army, 721 00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:43,645 then you are their slave forever. 722 00:44:43,647 --> 00:44:45,080 Okay? 723 00:44:45,082 --> 00:44:48,150 So just say hell no, you ain't gonna go. 724 00:44:48,152 --> 00:44:51,119 Rhyme it. Do what you do best. 725 00:44:51,121 --> 00:44:55,357 Those people over there in Vietnam did not lynch you, 726 00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,226 did not break up your family. 727 00:44:58,228 --> 00:45:02,030 Those Vietnamese people are your brothers. 728 00:45:02,032 --> 00:45:05,033 This was a wrongful war. 729 00:45:05,035 --> 00:45:07,602 War is wrong. Period. 730 00:45:12,241 --> 00:45:15,977 War is made from the devil." 731 00:45:22,285 --> 00:45:26,321 I was sitting in my office in Louisville and the phone rang... 732 00:45:26,322 --> 00:45:27,256 and it was Angelo Dundee. 733 00:45:27,257 --> 00:45:33,528 And he said the champ is gonna announce he's gonna be a conscientious objector, 734 00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:37,065 and he's not gonna take that step forward. 735 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,068 And I said, "Oh." 736 00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:43,472 I said, uh, "I'll be right up there." 737 00:45:45,975 --> 00:45:51,113 The conscientious objector thing was a complete shock. 738 00:45:53,616 --> 00:45:56,318 A conscientious objector, as a matter of law, 739 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:03,320 was that if you believed that you should not kill somebody or carry a weapon... 740 00:46:03,627 --> 00:46:08,663 or participate in an activity which would result in death, 741 00:46:08,665 --> 00:46:12,234 that you did not have to serve. 742 00:46:12,236 --> 00:46:14,569 I personally told him... 743 00:46:14,571 --> 00:46:19,374 that this was gonna cost him millions of dollars. 744 00:46:19,376 --> 00:46:21,476 And then I went over, chapter and verse, 745 00:46:21,478 --> 00:46:25,180 the contracts that were on my desk to be signed... 746 00:46:25,182 --> 00:46:29,084 would not be offered to him again. 747 00:46:29,185 --> 00:46:32,154 If he had not become Muhammad Ali, 748 00:46:32,156 --> 00:46:33,455 he'd have been Cassius Clay, 749 00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:35,557 and he would have went into that army. 750 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,125 'Cause he asked me straight up. 751 00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:40,195 He said, "What would you do if you was in my shoes?" 752 00:46:40,197 --> 00:46:41,630 I said, "I'd do what Elijah Muhammad done." 753 00:46:41,632 --> 00:46:44,666 He said, "What would he did?" I said, "He went to jail." 754 00:46:44,668 --> 00:46:49,404 Elijah Muhammad went to prison for five years. 755 00:46:49,406 --> 00:46:53,074 For sedition and draft dodging, 756 00:46:53,076 --> 00:46:55,110 they called it. 757 00:46:55,112 --> 00:46:58,213 He set the standard. 758 00:46:58,948 --> 00:47:00,415 The contract with the 759 00:47:00,417 --> 00:47:03,451 Louisville Sponsoring Group was expiring. 760 00:47:03,453 --> 00:47:05,754 The group... they were disappointed, 761 00:47:05,756 --> 00:47:09,224 and one or two didn't want to be affiliated with... 762 00:47:09,226 --> 00:47:14,262 It was more of the draft business than it was the Muslim business. 763 00:47:14,264 --> 00:47:16,731 Although that was part of it. 764 00:47:16,733 --> 00:47:21,736 He called all members to say thanks and shake hands, 765 00:47:21,738 --> 00:47:25,607 and au revoir. 766 00:47:34,450 --> 00:47:38,687 And I will say here boldly now on television... 767 00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:39,689 no. 768 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:44,159 I will not go 10,000 miles from here... 769 00:47:44,161 --> 00:47:49,197 to help murder and kill another poor people... 770 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:53,468 simply to continue the domination... 771 00:47:53,470 --> 00:48:00,242 of white slave masters over the darker people of the earth. 772 00:48:00,409 --> 00:48:04,179 You fight when you have something to fight for. 773 00:48:04,181 --> 00:48:05,413 But what are we fighting for? 774 00:48:05,415 --> 00:48:10,418 To tell me that I'm fighting for America... 775 00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:12,821 and her way of life. 776 00:48:12,823 --> 00:48:15,957 What is her way of life? 777 00:48:16,492 --> 00:48:18,827 To come back home to injustice... 778 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:22,564 with all these medals on our chest? 779 00:48:22,565 --> 00:48:23,432 Hell, no. 780 00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:26,902 Mr. Muhammad Ali has just refused to be inducted... 781 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:28,737 into the United States Armed Forces. 782 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:33,441 Notification of his refusal is being made to the United States Attorney... 783 00:48:33,443 --> 00:48:35,477 and the local Selective Service Board... 784 00:48:35,479 --> 00:48:37,412 for whatever action deem to be appropriate. 785 00:48:37,414 --> 00:48:43,385 And so it is all over for the heavyweight champion of the world, Muhammad Ali. 786 00:48:43,387 --> 00:48:45,887 What happens now to his title? 787 00:48:45,889 --> 00:48:47,522 He will doubtless be stripped of it... 788 00:48:47,524 --> 00:48:50,292 by every state boxing commission in this country... 789 00:48:50,294 --> 00:48:51,927 and by the World Boxing Association. 790 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,496 All type of moves have been made against me... 791 00:48:54,498 --> 00:48:56,898 that's never been made before in the history of boxing. 792 00:48:56,900 --> 00:49:01,503 Regardless of the ultimate disposition of his case legally, 793 00:49:01,505 --> 00:49:05,173 he will no longer be the champion. 794 00:49:10,313 --> 00:49:13,484 Well, now that they've taken Cassius Clay's title away, 795 00:49:13,485 --> 00:49:15,885 do you think they should have? 796 00:49:15,886 --> 00:49:18,687 Well, I don't know. I think they should, yes. 797 00:49:18,689 --> 00:49:21,623 I think that any man who don't wanna fight for his country, 798 00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:24,526 I don't think he should have the honor of being champion. 799 00:49:24,527 --> 00:49:25,294 The tragedy to me is... 800 00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:30,532 that Cassius has made millions of dollars off of the American public. 801 00:49:30,534 --> 00:49:34,502 And now he's not willing to show his appreciation. 802 00:49:34,504 --> 00:49:36,071 Hurts the morale of a lot of 803 00:49:36,073 --> 00:49:38,473 young Negro soldiers over in Vietnam. 804 00:49:38,475 --> 00:49:39,841 You won't fight for your country? 805 00:49:39,843 --> 00:49:42,610 - You refuse to go into the... - I'm a minister. My religion. 806 00:49:42,612 --> 00:49:43,845 This country has laws for ministers. 807 00:49:43,847 --> 00:49:45,747 - Are you an ordained minister? - By my leader. 808 00:49:45,749 --> 00:49:50,885 The Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Almighty God Allah fights battles for us. 809 00:49:50,887 --> 00:49:53,822 We are forbidden to carry anything like a weapon. 810 00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:55,690 We are peaceful people. 811 00:49:55,692 --> 00:49:57,459 Do you think there's anything wrong... 812 00:49:57,461 --> 00:50:01,896 in someone like Cassius Clay, Muhammad Ali, in refusing induction? 813 00:50:01,898 --> 00:50:02,898 Yes, sir, I certainly do. 814 00:50:02,899 --> 00:50:05,000 - Why? - 'Cause he's no better than the rest of us. 815 00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:07,302 I got a wife and three kids I'd like to stay here with, 816 00:50:07,304 --> 00:50:08,603 but if they need me, I reckon I'll go. 817 00:50:08,605 --> 00:50:11,439 Simply because Muhammad Ali has these beliefs, 818 00:50:11,441 --> 00:50:15,110 there's no reason why people should go against him. 819 00:50:21,083 --> 00:50:23,485 It took an all-white jury less than a half hour... 820 00:50:23,487 --> 00:50:27,889 to find Muhammad Ali guilty of all charges and specifications. 821 00:50:27,891 --> 00:50:31,826 He was sentenced to the maximum five years in prison... 822 00:50:31,828 --> 00:50:34,696 and was fined $10,000. 823 00:50:34,864 --> 00:50:39,401 To have a heavyweight champion refuse to be inducted, 824 00:50:39,403 --> 00:50:40,502 that was almost blasphemous. 825 00:50:40,504 --> 00:50:45,373 This would mean, of course, that you stand the chance of going to jail... 826 00:50:45,375 --> 00:50:47,609 as a result of not going into service. 827 00:50:47,611 --> 00:50:48,910 Well, whatever the punishment, 828 00:50:48,912 --> 00:50:53,281 whatever the persecution is for standing up for my religious beliefs, 829 00:50:53,283 --> 00:50:55,884 even if it mean facing machine gun fire that day, 830 00:50:55,886 --> 00:51:01,689 I will face it before denouncing Elijah Muhammad and the religion of Islam. 831 00:51:01,691 --> 00:51:02,991 I'm ready to die. 832 00:51:02,993 --> 00:51:07,896 I was happy that this black man, he actually stood up... 833 00:51:07,898 --> 00:51:10,365 and did what a Muslim would do. 834 00:51:10,367 --> 00:51:13,568 And that took a lot of balls. 835 00:51:16,672 --> 00:51:17,739 And he would come into my... 836 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:22,544 He would try to, you know... try to get to me, but he couldn't. 837 00:51:22,546 --> 00:51:25,580 And he would be trying to look for me. 838 00:51:25,582 --> 00:51:28,349 But by us having all the white unis on, 839 00:51:28,351 --> 00:51:31,386 he had to try to look at your face because he couldn't tell. 840 00:51:31,388 --> 00:51:33,621 So he would always eye at me in the mosque... 841 00:51:33,623 --> 00:51:37,892 and keep his eyes and all that... you know, flirting like. 842 00:51:37,894 --> 00:51:40,929 I knew he was mine. He was mine then. 843 00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:43,932 When I find out that's who he was gonna marry, 844 00:51:43,933 --> 00:51:44,567 I jumped for joy. 845 00:51:44,568 --> 00:51:48,770 It was a big blessing to him. She was a virgin. 846 00:51:48,772 --> 00:51:50,672 To marry a virgin... 847 00:51:50,674 --> 00:51:56,411 I said, "Boy, you hit the jackpot." That's what I told him. 848 00:51:56,413 --> 00:51:57,512 And she was young and pretty. 849 00:51:57,514 --> 00:52:04,085 Khalilah... one of a kind. She's the female Muhammad Ali. 850 00:52:04,087 --> 00:52:06,121 Sweet, kind, good lady. 851 00:52:06,123 --> 00:52:10,358 He loved the fact that I stuck with him when he didn't have anything. 852 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,827 I tried to keep everything positive... 853 00:52:12,829 --> 00:52:15,530 and started a family, and that was a good thing. 854 00:52:15,532 --> 00:52:17,932 I'm not having no trouble out of you. 855 00:52:17,934 --> 00:52:19,601 There ain't but one big mouth in this family. 856 00:52:19,603 --> 00:52:21,803 I said, "Brother, let me tell you something. 857 00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:27,442 If you keep your body in shape and keep your mind clear, you will win this fight." 858 00:52:27,444 --> 00:52:31,179 The government fight has cost nearly some $200,000... 859 00:52:31,181 --> 00:52:33,516 plus my living expenses... my mother, 860 00:52:33,517 --> 00:52:35,017 my father, my brother, my wife, my children. 861 00:52:35,018 --> 00:52:39,154 Boxing commissions around the country wouldn't sanction his fights. 862 00:52:39,156 --> 00:52:43,558 I'm just about broke. I'm not allowed to work here now in America. 863 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,693 I'm not allowed to leave America. 864 00:52:45,695 --> 00:52:48,463 Is there any chance of you boxing? 865 00:52:48,465 --> 00:52:49,964 I really don't know. 866 00:52:49,966 --> 00:52:51,833 One day we might. I'm not too sure. 867 00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:55,803 I tried to get him back into the ring... 868 00:52:55,805 --> 00:53:01,075 and get governors to allow him to fight in their state. 869 00:53:01,077 --> 00:53:03,878 Alabama. 870 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,079 Utah. 871 00:53:05,081 --> 00:53:07,015 Jackson, Mississippi. 872 00:53:07,017 --> 00:53:10,518 The white man told me to get back on the airplane. 873 00:53:12,154 --> 00:53:13,888 I tried Alcatraz Island. 874 00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:16,791 I tried every place that I could think of. 875 00:53:16,793 --> 00:53:19,861 The only answer to the beleaguerments of Muhammad Ali... 876 00:53:19,863 --> 00:53:24,866 might be the stripped jet plane sailing above all local jurisdictions... 877 00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:27,101 with two fighters and 200 fans. 878 00:53:27,103 --> 00:53:31,139 They had tried to put a ring inside a 757. 879 00:53:31,141 --> 00:53:35,009 Wilt, there's been rumors that you are ready to fight Cassius Clay. 880 00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:35,945 Are any of these rumors true? 881 00:53:35,946 --> 00:53:38,947 Actually fighting Muhammad Ali was not a rumor. 882 00:53:38,949 --> 00:53:42,550 That was a plan. But right now it's all down the drain. 883 00:53:43,252 --> 00:53:46,387 We start doing the speaking engagements. 884 00:53:46,555 --> 00:53:51,059 That was the circuit that really sustained him. 885 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:51,994 He got paid. 886 00:53:51,995 --> 00:53:55,863 Black and white are opposite of one another. 887 00:53:55,865 --> 00:53:58,132 The opposite of good is bad. 888 00:53:58,134 --> 00:54:00,034 The opposite of hot is cold. 889 00:54:00,036 --> 00:54:03,805 In the beginning, he was terrible. 890 00:54:03,807 --> 00:54:06,774 And the opposite of black is white. 891 00:54:06,776 --> 00:54:09,244 He would go into Muslim dogma. 892 00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:12,747 What is it that the Muslims believe? 893 00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:18,586 Number one, we're gonna say a few things on what the Muslims want. 894 00:54:18,588 --> 00:54:21,990 Remember, he was 12 years old... 895 00:54:21,992 --> 00:54:24,759 when he committed himself to boxing. 896 00:54:24,761 --> 00:54:28,062 Suddenly, you're in this tunnel of your talent. 897 00:54:28,064 --> 00:54:33,868 You just concentrate on being this great boxer, which he became. 898 00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:38,373 You wave through so many of the tollbooths of life. 899 00:54:39,675 --> 00:54:44,279 So now suddenly, it's 1967. 900 00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,482 He has refused to step forward. 901 00:54:47,484 --> 00:54:49,984 He's 25 years old. 902 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,689 He's out on his own. He's on college campuses. 903 00:54:54,691 --> 00:54:57,692 He thought all these kids were really smart kids out there. 904 00:54:57,694 --> 00:54:59,560 They were going to ask him really tough questions, 905 00:54:59,562 --> 00:55:01,729 which, to a great extent, they did. 906 00:55:01,731 --> 00:55:05,533 In time of peace, would you allow yourself to be drafted? 907 00:55:05,535 --> 00:55:08,503 - Would you? - Yes, sir. 908 00:55:09,105 --> 00:55:10,105 Why? 909 00:55:10,106 --> 00:55:14,642 Do you think that the United States will eventually separate... 910 00:55:14,644 --> 00:55:17,278 into two different societies, black and white? 911 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,816 Well, the latest government fact-finding committee... 912 00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:24,285 said that this is what it's coming to be... 913 00:55:24,287 --> 00:55:26,554 and this is what it's shaping up to be. 914 00:55:26,556 --> 00:55:28,990 I'd like to ask you why you're still a Muslim... 915 00:55:28,992 --> 00:55:33,661 since it's a far-gone conclusion that the Muslim... Muslims... 916 00:55:33,663 --> 00:55:36,230 or two or three... I don't know which... 917 00:55:36,232 --> 00:55:38,800 did assassinate Malcolm X. 918 00:55:38,802 --> 00:55:41,002 Anybody that'd assassinate anybody... 919 00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:43,938 or anybody that carry weapons are not Muslims. 920 00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:46,307 A Muslim wouldn't carry a weapon, 921 00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:48,142 and a Muslim wouldn't assassinate nobody. 922 00:55:48,144 --> 00:55:53,981 Muslims have always been under surveillance all our lives. 923 00:55:54,583 --> 00:55:57,585 You see, Elijah Muhammad has taught us about Big Brother. 924 00:55:57,587 --> 00:55:59,887 Brother Government was always watching us... 925 00:55:59,889 --> 00:56:04,792 to find anything they can to put these Muslims down or out. 926 00:56:04,794 --> 00:56:08,463 They're there waiting for that moment. 927 00:56:17,606 --> 00:56:21,309 I did a lot of those spots with Ali. 928 00:56:21,311 --> 00:56:23,878 He got exposure, being free. 929 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,416 And away from being coached, 930 00:56:28,418 --> 00:56:32,220 I just watched him grow up to become a man. 931 00:56:32,222 --> 00:56:38,092 Well, I would say Black Power would be the same thing to me that White Power is, 932 00:56:38,094 --> 00:56:39,994 but leave out the brutality. 933 00:56:39,996 --> 00:56:42,730 Like this is White Power... 934 00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:46,734 your own schools, your airports, your jet planes. 935 00:56:46,736 --> 00:56:50,271 Being independent and not dependent on others. 936 00:56:50,273 --> 00:56:52,707 Building your own houses, factories and hospitals. 937 00:56:52,709 --> 00:56:57,079 I think that he's teaching the black people to hate white, 938 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,280 and I think that's very wrong. 939 00:56:58,281 --> 00:57:00,848 I was opposed to his views before he came here, 940 00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:02,383 and I still am opposed to his views... 941 00:57:02,385 --> 00:57:04,118 because I feel if he wants American rights, 942 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,887 then he should assume responsibility of the draft. 943 00:57:05,889 --> 00:57:09,323 Somebody would come out of nowhere... 944 00:57:09,325 --> 00:57:12,927 and say, "You draft-dodger nigger, go home." 945 00:57:12,929 --> 00:57:14,762 Well, he didn't like that at all. 946 00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,664 I said, "We have to do this for a living, man. 947 00:57:16,666 --> 00:57:20,268 Don't worry about what people say about you. You got to keep going." 948 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:21,702 And then he'd talk back at me and says, 949 00:57:21,704 --> 00:57:23,572 "You're not out there getting embarrassed. 950 00:57:23,573 --> 00:57:24,973 I'm out there getting embarrassed. 951 00:57:24,974 --> 00:57:27,842 What would you do if somebody did that to you?" 952 00:57:27,844 --> 00:57:30,912 I'm not gonna help nobody get something that Negroes don't have. 953 00:57:30,914 --> 00:57:34,015 If I'm gonna die, I'll die now right here fighting you. 954 00:57:34,016 --> 00:57:34,783 You my enemy. 955 00:57:34,784 --> 00:57:38,820 My enemy is the white people, not Vietcong or Chinese or Japanese. 956 00:57:38,822 --> 00:57:41,122 You my opposer when I want freedom. 957 00:57:41,124 --> 00:57:42,890 You my opposer when I want justice. 958 00:57:42,892 --> 00:57:44,058 You my opposer when I want equality. 959 00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:47,795 You won't even stand up for me in America for my religious beliefs, 960 00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:49,330 and you want me to go somewhere and fight, 961 00:57:49,332 --> 00:57:52,033 but you won't even stand up for me here at home. 962 00:57:54,103 --> 00:57:58,239 The exiled years was the worst years... 963 00:57:58,241 --> 00:58:01,375 of me and Ali's life. 964 00:58:02,678 --> 00:58:09,083 In Islam we feel like we're being attacked unjustly. 965 00:58:09,085 --> 00:58:13,988 We feel like there's a trial period for us, 966 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:18,793 and if we stand on righteousness and truth, 967 00:58:18,795 --> 00:58:20,761 God gonna bring us through it. 968 00:58:20,763 --> 00:58:23,564 And that's the way I saw Ali. 969 00:58:23,566 --> 00:58:27,201 I suffered with my brother. He suffered. I suffered. We're like that. 970 00:58:27,203 --> 00:58:30,204 I felt the way he felt. 971 00:58:30,206 --> 00:58:34,408 I share my brother's pain. I share his... 972 00:58:45,487 --> 00:58:47,255 You got to forgive me. 973 00:58:47,257 --> 00:58:51,259 I'm very emotional when it comes to this. 974 00:58:51,261 --> 00:58:53,861 He paid the price. 975 00:59:05,541 --> 00:59:08,142 He did what he had to do. 976 00:59:08,977 --> 00:59:11,078 He's the champ. 977 00:59:15,985 --> 00:59:18,920 The country was beginning to pull apart. 978 00:59:18,922 --> 00:59:23,891 This was a time when the ideals of rebellion were spreading. 979 00:59:23,893 --> 00:59:29,864 Urban insurrections and violence were popping out in cities across the country. 980 00:59:29,866 --> 00:59:32,333 Violence is a part of America's culture. 981 00:59:32,335 --> 00:59:35,002 It is as American as cherry pie. 982 00:59:35,004 --> 00:59:37,572 America taught the black people to be violent. 983 00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:42,577 We will use that violence to rid ourselves of oppression if necessary. 984 00:59:42,579 --> 00:59:44,912 When the white race attack the black people, 985 00:59:44,914 --> 00:59:47,882 you don't ask us what's our religion or what's our belief. 986 00:59:47,884 --> 00:59:49,317 You just start whupping black heads. 987 00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:50,985 They don't say are you a Catholic, are you a Baptist, 988 00:59:50,987 --> 00:59:54,121 are you a black Muslim, are you a Martin Luther King follower, 989 00:59:54,123 --> 00:59:55,423 are you with Whitney Young. 990 00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:58,693 They just go... 991 00:59:58,827 --> 01:00:01,662 There is no need for us to go anywhere and fight for democracy. 992 01:00:01,664 --> 01:00:05,933 We working for our liberation, and it's gonna be in this country. 993 01:00:05,935 --> 01:00:08,235 And what we gonna say across this country, 994 01:00:08,237 --> 01:00:13,174 from Muhammad Ali to a little black boy in Cardozo High School, 995 01:00:13,176 --> 01:00:16,510 "Hell, no. We won't go." 996 01:00:18,314 --> 01:00:20,214 Hell, no! We won't go! 997 01:00:20,216 --> 01:00:23,217 I'm not here to talk and say I don't agree with Stokely. 998 01:00:23,218 --> 01:00:24,086 I don't agree with Rap Brown. 999 01:00:24,087 --> 01:00:26,921 We're all black people who are fighting for freedom, justice and equality. 1000 01:00:26,923 --> 01:00:29,223 Everybody have their approach. One man believe in integrating. 1001 01:00:29,225 --> 01:00:32,994 One day we all be white, he say. Look like white people after 200 years. 1002 01:00:32,996 --> 01:00:35,129 One believes that education and politics will solve it. 1003 01:00:35,131 --> 01:00:38,366 One believes shooting and looting and burning up the country will solve it. 1004 01:00:38,368 --> 01:00:39,934 One man believes integration will solve it. 1005 01:00:39,936 --> 01:00:42,570 And we believe separation, somewhere to ourselves, will solve it. 1006 01:00:42,572 --> 01:00:46,040 You were quoted as saying on one occasion, "All whites are devils." 1007 01:00:46,042 --> 01:00:48,643 - But that's not true, is it? - Elijah Muhammad teaches us... 1008 01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:51,545 that God told him that all whites are devils. 1009 01:00:51,547 --> 01:00:53,314 Well, God was wrong on that occasion, wasn't he? 1010 01:00:53,316 --> 01:00:54,649 - You don't... - I believe every word of it. 1011 01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:57,551 But you don't actually believe that all whites are devils. -I believe every word... 1012 01:00:57,553 --> 01:01:00,021 Yes, sir. I believe everything he preach. 1013 01:01:00,023 --> 01:01:01,455 - I mean, I just... - You said "all," didn't you? 1014 01:01:01,457 --> 01:01:04,992 Yeah. I'm trying... -I really believe that all white people are devils. 1015 01:01:04,994 --> 01:01:09,230 I'm not gonna be no phony. I done gave up $10 million in fighting. 1016 01:01:09,232 --> 01:01:11,165 I'll go to jail for five years. 1017 01:01:11,167 --> 01:01:15,169 And you think I'm gonna get on this TV show and deny what I believe? 1018 01:01:15,171 --> 01:01:17,571 - No. - I believe every bit of it. 1019 01:01:17,573 --> 01:01:18,573 From my point of view, 1020 01:01:18,574 --> 01:01:24,111 what Elijah Muhammad is doing to you is diseasing your mind. 1021 01:01:24,113 --> 01:01:26,647 And you have the nerve to be on a TV show... 1022 01:01:26,649 --> 01:01:28,149 and look at me like I'm wrong... 1023 01:01:28,151 --> 01:01:30,451 for saying, Elijah Muhammad is poisoning you... 1024 01:01:30,453 --> 01:01:32,420 by telling you that we're your enemies. 1025 01:01:32,422 --> 01:01:33,521 And I feel it and see it every day. 1026 01:01:33,523 --> 01:01:36,390 And every black man watching this show know you our enemies, 1027 01:01:36,392 --> 01:01:38,359 and you have the nerve to stand up here... 1028 01:01:38,361 --> 01:01:40,327 and say Elijah Muhammad is poisoning my mind. 1029 01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:43,964 He cannot teach us that you our enemy. You taught us. 1030 01:01:43,966 --> 01:01:48,102 And Ali liked intimidating you, pissing you off. 1031 01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:51,138 He loved that. That's his comfort zone. 1032 01:01:51,140 --> 01:01:53,174 And when you're in your comfort zone, 1033 01:01:53,176 --> 01:01:55,576 nobody in the world can penetrate you, 1034 01:01:55,578 --> 01:01:57,378 and you can be who you wanna be. 1035 01:01:57,380 --> 01:02:01,182 I'd like to start off by saying, As-salaam alaikum. 1036 01:02:01,184 --> 01:02:03,651 Wa alaikum. 1037 01:02:03,653 --> 01:02:05,052 Ooh. You all... 1038 01:02:05,054 --> 01:02:09,290 I didn't know you all knew that up here. 1039 01:02:09,292 --> 01:02:10,491 Within a year of this, 1040 01:02:10,493 --> 01:02:13,928 he was a much more attractive character. 1041 01:02:13,930 --> 01:02:16,330 And once you find out who you are, 1042 01:02:16,332 --> 01:02:20,101 then you're start saying, "I am the greatest." 1043 01:02:23,505 --> 01:02:28,142 To those people who think that I lost so much... 1044 01:02:28,144 --> 01:02:30,077 by not taking the step, 1045 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:32,613 I haven't lost one thing. 1046 01:02:32,615 --> 01:02:36,150 I have gained a lot. 1047 01:02:36,152 --> 01:02:39,420 Number one... 1048 01:02:43,725 --> 01:02:48,496 Number one, I have gained a peace of mind. 1049 01:02:48,498 --> 01:02:52,066 Yeah! 1050 01:02:52,068 --> 01:02:55,569 I have gained a peace of heart. 1051 01:02:55,571 --> 01:02:58,773 I now know that I'm in content... 1052 01:02:58,775 --> 01:03:02,643 with Almighty God himself. 1053 01:03:02,744 --> 01:03:05,780 And there are those who are seeking... 1054 01:03:05,782 --> 01:03:11,118 to equate dissent with disloyalty. 1055 01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,287 It is my hope... 1056 01:03:13,289 --> 01:03:16,357 that every young man in this country... 1057 01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:22,763 who finds this war objectionable and abominable and unjust... 1058 01:03:22,765 --> 01:03:26,767 would file as a conscientious objector. 1059 01:03:26,769 --> 01:03:30,104 And no matter what you think... 1060 01:03:30,106 --> 01:03:34,542 of Mr. Muhammad Ali's religion, 1061 01:03:34,544 --> 01:03:40,347 you certainly have to admire his courage. 1062 01:03:52,627 --> 01:03:56,831 Our great leaders like Martin Luther King, to bump him off. 1063 01:03:56,833 --> 01:04:01,402 And when the white man can just bump us off like nothing, 1064 01:04:01,404 --> 01:04:03,771 then what chance does the common man have? 1065 01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:05,706 He just don't care. He sees no future... 1066 01:04:05,708 --> 01:04:09,677 because his hope, his inspiration are wiped out like nothing. 1067 01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:12,215 Muhammad Ali's making statements 1068 01:04:12,216 --> 01:04:14,516 about what was happening in his life and his world... 1069 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:15,616 in this society in which we live, 1070 01:04:15,618 --> 01:04:20,454 and you gonna crucify him and take his means to support his family away? 1071 01:04:20,456 --> 01:04:23,224 Oh, it was wrong. Simple as that. 1072 01:04:23,758 --> 01:04:27,194 The United States leads the Olympics in medal awards... 1073 01:04:27,196 --> 01:04:29,797 and is just about supreme in the sprint races, 1074 01:04:29,799 --> 01:04:33,267 thanks to men like Tommie Smith and John Carlos. 1075 01:04:33,269 --> 01:04:36,303 They came in first and third. 1076 01:04:36,305 --> 01:04:39,340 Any time they have an Olympic Games... 1077 01:04:39,342 --> 01:04:42,810 or any time they do a national anthem at a football game, 1078 01:04:42,812 --> 01:04:44,144 that's politics right there. 1079 01:04:44,146 --> 01:04:46,780 We felt that as young individual athletes... 1080 01:04:46,782 --> 01:04:50,517 that we could make a significant difference in society. 1081 01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:53,687 I said, "Look, Tommie, I wanna make a statement." 1082 01:04:57,994 --> 01:05:02,162 "Let's put a black glove on and say although we're proud to be Americans, 1083 01:05:02,164 --> 01:05:04,665 we're prouder to be black Americans." 1084 01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:07,735 I had a black shirt on to cover up my U.S.A... 1085 01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:09,536 because I was ashamed of America... 1086 01:05:09,538 --> 01:05:12,840 the way America has been all these years. 1087 01:05:12,842 --> 01:05:14,475 We have a great history in this country. 1088 01:05:14,477 --> 01:05:18,712 But at the same time, we have a history that we should be ashamed of. 1089 01:05:18,714 --> 01:05:20,381 The number-one statement in my mind... 1090 01:05:20,383 --> 01:05:25,719 was to have Muhammad Ali vindicated from all the nonsense, negativities... 1091 01:05:25,721 --> 01:05:27,254 that they try and put around him... 1092 01:05:27,256 --> 01:05:30,157 and give him the right to be the champion that he deserve. 1093 01:05:30,159 --> 01:05:32,693 Wanna let the whole world know... 1094 01:05:32,695 --> 01:05:36,530 that we are going to pick our heroes from today on. 1095 01:05:36,532 --> 01:05:39,366 And brother Tommie Smith, brother John Carlos... 1096 01:05:39,368 --> 01:05:40,634 join the rank of brother Muhammad Ali... 1097 01:05:40,636 --> 01:05:44,139 because we want black people who are concerned with us first 1098 01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:45,540 and with sports second. 1099 01:05:45,541 --> 01:05:47,541 - Yeah! - Yea! 1100 01:05:47,543 --> 01:05:50,678 When you refused to be drafted, 1101 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,347 do you think that it set a mark in history... 1102 01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:55,849 as one black person who just out and out refused to... 1103 01:05:55,851 --> 01:05:58,786 Many have done it before me, but they were not famous cases. 1104 01:05:58,788 --> 01:06:03,290 And I just don't think I should go 10,000 miles from here... 1105 01:06:03,292 --> 01:06:05,559 and shoot some black people who never called me "nigger," 1106 01:06:05,561 --> 01:06:07,795 never lynched me, never put dogs on me, 1107 01:06:07,797 --> 01:06:09,964 never raped my mama, enslaved me... 1108 01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:13,400 and deprived me of freedom, justice and equality. 1109 01:06:13,402 --> 01:06:15,569 And he's black too. I just can't shoot him. 1110 01:06:15,571 --> 01:06:19,239 And with this in mind, and plus my religious beliefs too, 1111 01:06:19,241 --> 01:06:21,408 which is the legal reason I'm not going, 1112 01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:24,445 I just can't go over there and shoot them people... 1113 01:06:24,447 --> 01:06:27,581 and come back home I'm still a nigger. 1114 01:06:27,583 --> 01:06:32,319 It has been said that I have two alternatives... 1115 01:06:32,321 --> 01:06:36,423 either go to jail or go to the army. 1116 01:06:36,425 --> 01:06:40,594 But I would like to say that there is another alternative. 1117 01:06:40,596 --> 01:06:45,432 And that alternative is justice. 1118 01:06:52,507 --> 01:06:55,342 I came to work for Justice Harlan... 1119 01:06:55,344 --> 01:06:58,812 in the summer of 1970, 1120 01:06:58,814 --> 01:07:00,781 which during the term I was there... 1121 01:07:00,783 --> 01:07:03,283 that the Vietnam Veterans Against the War... 1122 01:07:03,285 --> 01:07:06,320 sat in on the steps of the Supreme Court. 1123 01:07:06,322 --> 01:07:08,489 No! 1124 01:07:12,661 --> 01:07:14,661 There was controversy... 1125 01:07:14,663 --> 01:07:18,365 just surrounding every corner of life. 1126 01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:23,570 Black Power! 1127 01:07:23,572 --> 01:07:26,473 Ship all niggers back! 1128 01:07:27,575 --> 01:07:31,512 It was during that year that Clay against United States... 1129 01:07:31,514 --> 01:07:32,780 came up to the Supreme Court. 1130 01:07:32,782 --> 01:07:37,451 The justices probably thought Ali wouldn't win. 1131 01:07:37,453 --> 01:07:40,754 He could argue about it, but he had a fair shot below... 1132 01:07:40,756 --> 01:07:42,756 when reasonable judges had said no. 1133 01:07:42,758 --> 01:07:45,959 And he didn't present any unique or unusual issues, 1134 01:07:45,961 --> 01:07:48,495 and so they were just gonna let the case go away. 1135 01:07:48,497 --> 01:07:50,264 As they were about to announce, 1136 01:07:50,266 --> 01:07:52,032 the solicitor general came in and said... 1137 01:07:52,034 --> 01:07:55,069 we just learned that there was an illegal wiretap... 1138 01:07:55,071 --> 01:07:59,475 during which the F.B.I. overheard Muhammad Ali 1139 01:07:59,476 --> 01:08:01,776 talking to Reverend Martin Luther King. 1140 01:08:01,777 --> 01:08:05,612 We are all victims of the same system of oppression. 1141 01:08:05,614 --> 01:08:09,983 And even though we may have different religious beliefs, 1142 01:08:09,985 --> 01:08:14,755 this does not at all bring about a difference in terms of our concerns. 1143 01:08:14,757 --> 01:08:16,857 We're still brothers. 1144 01:08:17,092 --> 01:08:19,860 So they just did what was routine in those days. 1145 01:08:19,862 --> 01:08:22,596 We're sending this back down to the trial judge... 1146 01:08:22,598 --> 01:08:25,732 to determine whether anything needs to be done. 1147 01:08:25,734 --> 01:08:30,003 I didn't think it would take so long... three and a half years... 1148 01:08:30,005 --> 01:08:31,905 but I did think he would be back. 1149 01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:34,641 And he was always doing something interesting. 1150 01:08:34,643 --> 01:08:37,911 He was in a Broadway show, Big Time Buck White. 1151 01:08:37,913 --> 01:08:42,182 It was wonderful and terrible. 1152 01:08:47,889 --> 01:08:52,392 You know, I first came here some 400 long years ago. 1153 01:08:52,394 --> 01:08:53,494 Yes. Right on, Big Time. 1154 01:08:53,496 --> 01:08:56,730 - I came as a first-class passenger... - Yes! 1155 01:08:56,732 --> 01:09:01,435 ...on a cold, nasty, muddy, wet prison of death. 1156 01:09:01,437 --> 01:09:04,705 - Yes! Yes! - A slave ship. 1157 01:09:04,707 --> 01:09:07,374 ♪ We came in chains ♪ 1158 01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:08,143 Yeah! 1159 01:09:08,144 --> 01:09:10,878 - ♪ We came in misery ♪ - Uh-huh. 1160 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:16,650 ♪ Now all our suffering and pains are part of history ♪ 1161 01:09:16,651 --> 01:09:17,619 Right on! 1162 01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:19,319 - ♪ We came in chains ♪ - Oh, yes! 1163 01:09:19,321 --> 01:09:22,189 Do you feel in a way that you're not really acting up there? 1164 01:09:22,191 --> 01:09:24,725 No, I'm not acting at all. I'm real. 1165 01:09:24,727 --> 01:09:26,160 We may have a little music in the background, 1166 01:09:26,162 --> 01:09:29,696 but everything that I do, I look at it as being real. 1167 01:09:29,698 --> 01:09:31,732 ♪ Chains, chains, chains ♪ 1168 01:09:31,734 --> 01:09:33,400 ♪ We came in chains ♪ 1169 01:09:33,402 --> 01:09:34,568 ♪ Four hundred years ♪ 1170 01:09:34,570 --> 01:09:37,171 ♪ No justice No freedom No equality ♪ 1171 01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:39,506 ♪ Worked from sunup to sundown ♪ 1172 01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:41,608 ♪ 1970, still in chains ♪ 1173 01:09:41,610 --> 01:09:44,611 ♪ Financial chains Economical chains ♪ 1174 01:09:44,613 --> 01:09:46,480 ♪ Chains, chains, chains ♪ 1175 01:09:46,482 --> 01:09:48,081 ♪ America chains ♪ 1176 01:09:48,083 --> 01:09:51,485 ♪ Chains Look at these chains ♪ 1177 01:09:51,487 --> 01:09:55,622 ♪ Chains ♪ 1178 01:09:55,624 --> 01:09:58,792 ♪ Chains ♪ ♪ 1179 01:10:04,098 --> 01:10:06,800 Meanwhile, a group of Atlanta blacks and whites... 1180 01:10:06,802 --> 01:10:10,904 managed to get Clay a license and bring the fight to Atlanta. 1181 01:10:10,906 --> 01:10:13,207 No other city has done this. 1182 01:10:13,209 --> 01:10:19,012 We put Mr. Clay, Muhammad Ali, back into the ring. 1183 01:10:19,847 --> 01:10:21,848 I don't see how this fight could take place... 1184 01:10:21,850 --> 01:10:23,483 anywhere in the United States of America... 1185 01:10:23,485 --> 01:10:27,621 by a man that has denounced his country's uniform... 1186 01:10:27,623 --> 01:10:30,090 and refused to be inducted. 1187 01:10:30,658 --> 01:10:33,527 There are no state laws in Georgia... 1188 01:10:33,528 --> 01:10:34,229 covering the boxing industry. 1189 01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:40,133 We have secured from the city of Atlanta the boxing permit, the license. 1190 01:10:40,135 --> 01:10:42,202 We've covered everything. 1191 01:10:42,204 --> 01:10:45,472 Muhammad Ali, or Cassius Clay, or both... 1192 01:10:45,474 --> 01:10:48,175 will return to the boxing ring in Atlanta, Georgia. 1193 01:10:48,177 --> 01:10:50,711 Governor Maddox does not like it. 1194 01:10:50,713 --> 01:10:51,713 But he can't stop it. 1195 01:10:51,714 --> 01:10:53,714 I've called for a day of mourning because of this, 1196 01:10:53,716 --> 01:10:57,251 that this tragic thing has happened in this United States of America... 1197 01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:59,055 where men have fought so long 1198 01:10:59,056 --> 01:11:01,856 and their wives and children have sacrificed so much. 1199 01:11:01,857 --> 01:11:05,993 But there are a lot of people who feel as Governor Maddox does. 1200 01:11:05,995 --> 01:11:09,496 But Clay has his license and will fight. 1201 01:11:09,498 --> 01:11:11,765 Your greatest trial may not be in the ring. 1202 01:11:11,767 --> 01:11:12,799 It may be with the American public, 1203 01:11:12,801 --> 01:11:18,639 most of whom deeply resent your stance with regard to military induction. 1204 01:11:19,207 --> 01:11:22,509 Because Ali was such a visible public figure, 1205 01:11:22,511 --> 01:11:27,714 Justice Brennan thought we just can't let a case like this go... 1206 01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:28,915 without explaining why. 1207 01:11:28,917 --> 01:11:31,618 So we caught the case on the bounce back. 1208 01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:34,023 The Supreme Court agreed today 1209 01:11:34,024 --> 01:11:36,924 to review heavyweight fighter Muhammad Ali's conviction... 1210 01:11:36,925 --> 01:11:38,692 for refusing induction into the army. 1211 01:11:38,694 --> 01:11:42,195 Ali claims he cannot be drafted for religious reasons, 1212 01:11:42,197 --> 01:11:45,999 and now the high court will decide whether he's right. 1213 01:11:46,001 --> 01:11:47,301 Is your client a pacifist? 1214 01:11:47,303 --> 01:11:51,038 A pacifist is, uh... is... is, uh, strict language. 1215 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,641 A pacifist means, um... uh, a Quaker, 1216 01:11:54,643 --> 01:11:58,545 one who does not engage in any kind of violence. 1217 01:11:58,547 --> 01:12:01,715 It would hardly classify him as a pacifist. 1218 01:12:01,717 --> 01:12:04,618 Of course there's this incredible irony... 1219 01:12:04,620 --> 01:12:11,591 that you have this big, powerful heavyweight champion of the world... 1220 01:12:11,593 --> 01:12:14,995 saying he's a conscientious objector. 1221 01:12:15,997 --> 01:12:19,733 Justice Thurgood Marshall recused himself from the case. 1222 01:12:19,735 --> 01:12:22,102 He was largely removing himself from any case... 1223 01:12:22,104 --> 01:12:24,504 where the N.A.A.C.P. Legal Defense Fund, 1224 01:12:24,506 --> 01:12:27,808 of which he used to be the head, was representing a party. 1225 01:12:27,810 --> 01:12:30,210 The fact that Marshall was not in the case... 1226 01:12:30,212 --> 01:12:31,812 meant there were only eight justices. 1227 01:12:31,814 --> 01:12:37,617 So there was always the risk that this case would come out 4:4. 1228 01:12:37,619 --> 01:12:43,323 If the justices vote 4:4, the decision below is affirmed. 1229 01:12:43,325 --> 01:12:45,892 Ali would go to jail. 1230 01:12:45,894 --> 01:12:49,162 Earlier this year Ali began retempering the steel... 1231 01:12:49,164 --> 01:12:52,866 that lay beneath the starchy lecture-circuit lunches. 1232 01:12:52,868 --> 01:12:54,101 All this is to me is a job. 1233 01:12:54,103 --> 01:12:58,372 It means that I have a chance to earn a living and take care of my family. 1234 01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,607 That's all it means to me. 1235 01:13:01,109 --> 01:13:02,809 In exhibitions like this, 1236 01:13:02,811 --> 01:13:06,012 sometimes he floated like a butterfly in galoshes. 1237 01:13:06,014 --> 01:13:08,648 But there were moments when a live youth... 1238 01:13:08,650 --> 01:13:12,052 broke through the rusty layers. 1239 01:13:13,187 --> 01:13:15,756 Many critics say it's impossible... 1240 01:13:15,758 --> 01:13:18,592 for a man to be off three years and a half... 1241 01:13:18,594 --> 01:13:19,693 and with a six-week notice be in shape. 1242 01:13:19,695 --> 01:13:26,695 It's impossible for him to have his wind, his timing, his speed and his legs. 1243 01:13:26,769 --> 01:13:28,969 People are wondering what can I do, 1244 01:13:28,971 --> 01:13:33,907 and we won't know until the pressure's put on me. 1245 01:13:34,075 --> 01:13:36,243 A man should be entitled to do his job. 1246 01:13:36,245 --> 01:13:39,746 He was convicted of a felony, but he's not in jail. 1247 01:13:39,748 --> 01:13:41,314 And as long as he's free, 1248 01:13:41,316 --> 01:13:45,652 he should be entitled to make his living. 1249 01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:54,094 Win or lose, he's got the appeal of his conviction to worry about... 1250 01:13:54,096 --> 01:13:57,764 and the possibility of five years in prison. 1251 01:14:04,206 --> 01:14:05,206 Time! 1252 01:14:05,207 --> 01:14:08,408 When the case was argued to the justices, 1253 01:14:08,410 --> 01:14:11,411 almost all the analysis turned on the question... 1254 01:14:11,413 --> 01:14:14,347 of whether he was a selective conscientious objector. 1255 01:14:14,349 --> 01:14:20,187 That is, he had a conscientious objection to this war but not another one. 1256 01:14:20,189 --> 01:14:24,257 There is in this record a basis, in fact, 1257 01:14:24,259 --> 01:14:25,659 for the conclusion... 1258 01:14:25,661 --> 01:14:28,161 that the petitioner's objection, 1259 01:14:28,163 --> 01:14:30,464 though religious, is selective. 1260 01:14:30,466 --> 01:14:32,799 - As-salaam alaikum. - Wa as-salaam. 1261 01:14:32,801 --> 01:14:35,902 That he is, in fact, oppose to fighting... 1262 01:14:35,904 --> 01:14:38,638 what he regards as "the white man's wars," 1263 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,943 although having no religious or conscientious scruples... 1264 01:14:42,945 --> 01:14:45,045 against participation in war... 1265 01:14:45,047 --> 01:14:48,982 which would defend the black man's interests. 1266 01:14:49,951 --> 01:14:52,419 The court voted 5:3 against Ali. 1267 01:14:52,421 --> 01:14:54,955 It was all over but the writing. 1268 01:14:54,957 --> 01:15:01,495 Metaphorically, Ali had one foot and three toes in prison. 1269 01:15:19,013 --> 01:15:24,284 The chief justice assigned the opinion to Justice Harlan. 1270 01:15:24,418 --> 01:15:29,856 Justice Harlan... he was in very good health, with one exception. 1271 01:15:29,858 --> 01:15:30,891 His eyesight was horrible. 1272 01:15:30,893 --> 01:15:35,395 He had had something that was like a stroke of the eyes. 1273 01:15:35,763 --> 01:15:41,034 Part of the job of being Justice Harlan's law clerk was to read to him. 1274 01:15:41,036 --> 01:15:42,335 And I told Justice Harlan... 1275 01:15:42,337 --> 01:15:44,938 I might have said it more times than is really polite... 1276 01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:49,175 "When you go back and you read The Message to the Blackman... " 1277 01:15:49,177 --> 01:15:51,511 Every one of you should have this book in your study. 1278 01:15:51,513 --> 01:15:54,848 "...and you read The Autobiography of Malcolm X, 1279 01:15:54,850 --> 01:15:56,416 the Nation of Islam people were saying... 1280 01:15:56,418 --> 01:15:59,386 if Allah summons us to war, then we will go to war. 1281 01:15:59,388 --> 01:16:03,023 If you really took the law literally seriously, 1282 01:16:03,025 --> 01:16:08,361 you cannot distinguish Jehovah's Witnesses from the Nation of Islam... 1283 01:16:08,363 --> 01:16:10,263 on this particular issue." 1284 01:16:10,265 --> 01:16:13,333 And so we've got legal precedent. 1285 01:16:13,335 --> 01:16:17,938 What the Supreme Court had said about the Jehovah's Witnesses... 1286 01:16:17,940 --> 01:16:20,140 was even though they're willing to fight... 1287 01:16:20,142 --> 01:16:22,409 in some hypothetical war declared by God, 1288 01:16:22,411 --> 01:16:26,580 it doesn't mean that you're not a conscientious objector. 1289 01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:30,951 Congress meant to exempt people who, in good conscience, 1290 01:16:30,953 --> 01:16:37,157 couldn't participate in a person-to-person bombs-and-bullets war. 1291 01:16:37,159 --> 01:16:42,162 "We believe that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims... 1292 01:16:42,164 --> 01:16:47,601 shall not participate in wars which take the lives of human beings." 1293 01:16:47,603 --> 01:16:49,836 Justice Harlan sent a memorandum 1294 01:16:49,837 --> 01:16:50,404 essentially saying, 1295 01:16:50,405 --> 01:16:53,206 "Now that I've look more carefully at the record, 1296 01:16:53,208 --> 01:16:55,408 I think we were wrong in our vote, 1297 01:16:55,410 --> 01:16:59,913 and I am voting to reverse the conviction." 1298 01:16:59,915 --> 01:17:01,414 And now we had a problem. 1299 01:17:01,416 --> 01:17:04,985 How are we going to keep staffing that war machine... 1300 01:17:04,987 --> 01:17:08,521 if it turns out that everybody who joins the Nation of Islam... 1301 01:17:08,523 --> 01:17:10,624 gets a free pass out of the draft? 1302 01:17:10,626 --> 01:17:15,328 In war, the intention is to kill, kill, kill, kill... 1303 01:17:15,330 --> 01:17:18,131 and continue killing innocent people. 1304 01:17:18,133 --> 01:17:21,334 But there is one hell of a lot of difference... 1305 01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:25,805 in fighting in the ring and going to war in Vietnam. 1306 01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:32,445 From Louisville, Kentucky, 1307 01:17:32,447 --> 01:17:35,382 return of the champion, 1308 01:17:35,384 --> 01:17:37,651 Muhammad Ali. 1309 01:17:44,125 --> 01:17:49,829 The Quarry fight was really exciting outside the ring. 1310 01:17:49,831 --> 01:17:54,467 Everybody who was somebody came to that fight. 1311 01:17:54,469 --> 01:17:57,871 Cadillacs, gangster style. 1312 01:17:57,873 --> 01:18:01,908 Cats with minks and diamonds. 1313 01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:04,310 It was the fight night. 1314 01:18:05,146 --> 01:18:09,916 That left jab is finding its mark. 1315 01:18:14,889 --> 01:18:19,592 It was a total explosion of blackness... 1316 01:18:20,327 --> 01:18:23,029 from the highest levels of civil rights... 1317 01:18:23,031 --> 01:18:29,502 I want to say that you're not only our champion in the boxing area, 1318 01:18:29,504 --> 01:18:35,208 but you're also a champion of justice and peace and human dignity. 1319 01:18:35,210 --> 01:18:36,309 Thank you. 1320 01:18:36,311 --> 01:18:39,979 You're the living example of soul power. 1321 01:18:39,981 --> 01:18:44,250 This was the March on Washington all in two fists. 1322 01:18:44,252 --> 01:18:47,353 - Thank you. - Thank you. You're so kind. 1323 01:18:47,922 --> 01:18:50,056 Ali's case exposed... 1324 01:18:50,058 --> 01:18:52,525 how awkward the legal system was... 1325 01:18:52,527 --> 01:18:56,429 and how arbitrary and capricious it was in many respects. 1326 01:18:56,431 --> 01:18:59,999 Justice Stewart dug further into the record... 1327 01:19:00,001 --> 01:19:02,402 and found an obscure technical point... 1328 01:19:02,404 --> 01:19:05,672 on which the court could reverse Ali's conviction. 1329 01:19:05,674 --> 01:19:09,476 But this ground for reversal applied only to Muhammad Ali. 1330 01:19:09,478 --> 01:19:11,945 It didn't apply to anybody else. 1331 01:19:12,146 --> 01:19:19,146 The technicality was that the government had denied Ali due process of law. 1332 01:19:19,921 --> 01:19:21,621 At the first stage of this case, 1333 01:19:21,623 --> 01:19:24,324 the government had told the Louisville draft board... 1334 01:19:24,326 --> 01:19:28,228 that not only was Ali not opposed to all wars... 1335 01:19:28,230 --> 01:19:31,631 but that he was insincere in claiming this. 1336 01:19:31,633 --> 01:19:33,366 Then when they got to the Supreme Court, 1337 01:19:33,368 --> 01:19:37,737 Justice Douglas, at the very end of the oral argument by the government, 1338 01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,439 turned to the solicitor general and said... 1339 01:19:39,441 --> 01:19:42,542 "You don't question his sincerity?" 1340 01:19:42,544 --> 01:19:44,511 No, Mr. Justice, we do not. 1341 01:19:44,513 --> 01:19:47,113 That's a denial of due process. 1342 01:19:47,115 --> 01:19:53,052 The government isn't allowed to tell a judge Ali was insincere... 1343 01:19:53,054 --> 01:19:55,188 and the next day sincere... 1344 01:19:55,190 --> 01:19:57,390 in order to sustain a conviction. 1345 01:19:57,392 --> 01:20:03,663 This little procedural point turning this big case into a peewee case... 1346 01:20:03,665 --> 01:20:06,332 immediately got you five votes, 1347 01:20:06,334 --> 01:20:10,203 and other people then started coming over to the opinion. 1348 01:20:10,205 --> 01:20:13,406 So the final outcome was a unanimous victory. 1349 01:20:13,408 --> 01:20:19,579 They wrote a case that, insofar as precedent is concerned... 1350 01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:21,548 the way I say it... is so thin... 1351 01:20:21,550 --> 01:20:26,085 that if you turn it sideways, it doesn't even cast a shadow. 1352 01:20:27,021 --> 01:20:29,589 The Supreme Court ruled 8:0 today... 1353 01:20:29,591 --> 01:20:31,558 that Muhammad Ali is indeed sincere... 1354 01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,560 in his Muslim beliefs against war. 1355 01:20:33,562 --> 01:20:37,130 That overturns Ali's conviction for refusing induction... 1356 01:20:37,132 --> 01:20:39,165 and removes the threat of five years in jail. 1357 01:20:39,167 --> 01:20:42,569 When Ali heard the news, he said, "Thanks be to Allah." 1358 01:20:42,571 --> 01:20:44,537 I was on 79th Street on the south side... 1359 01:20:44,539 --> 01:20:45,872 and just bought me an orange in a grocery store. 1360 01:20:45,874 --> 01:20:48,309 And the grocery owner came out 1361 01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:50,610 and grabbed me and hugged me with tears in his eyes... 1362 01:20:50,611 --> 01:20:52,048 a little black fella... 1363 01:20:52,049 --> 01:20:55,249 and told me that you've just been vindicated and you're free. 1364 01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:57,984 Eight judges all voted in your favor. 1365 01:20:57,986 --> 01:21:00,320 Only God did it, buddy. 1366 01:21:00,322 --> 01:21:02,422 The God of heaven and earth, these stars - 1367 01:21:02,424 --> 01:21:05,825 He changed hearts. 1368 01:21:05,827 --> 01:21:07,360 Whew! 1369 01:21:07,361 --> 01:21:07,828 Hit me hard. 1370 01:21:07,829 --> 01:21:11,130 Well, all I have to say is what's concerning my case. 1371 01:21:11,132 --> 01:21:13,566 I don't know what's happening to this moment. 1372 01:21:13,568 --> 01:21:15,768 I don't know who will be assassinated tonight. 1373 01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:18,204 I don't know who will be enslaved or mistreated. 1374 01:21:18,206 --> 01:21:23,042 I don't who will be deprived of some other justice or equality. 1375 01:21:26,413 --> 01:21:29,315 Well, I think everybody's looking for truth. 1376 01:21:32,086 --> 01:21:35,188 Everybody's trying to find himself. 1377 01:21:35,190 --> 01:21:36,322 People sit back now in their old age... 1378 01:21:36,324 --> 01:21:41,527 and reflect on the crossroads of their life. "Did I make the right choices?" 1379 01:21:41,529 --> 01:21:46,399 Muhammad Ali stood fast and never denied what he stood for. 1380 01:21:48,002 --> 01:21:50,904 The first time that I understood the importance 1381 01:21:50,905 --> 01:21:51,639 of who my father was, 1382 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,506 I was around three years old. 1383 01:21:53,508 --> 01:21:56,709 We had to be lifted out some way of this massive crowd. 1384 01:21:56,711 --> 01:22:02,282 People were crying. They were on their knees. They had their hands crossed. 1385 01:22:03,851 --> 01:22:05,418 In a strange sort of way, 1386 01:22:05,420 --> 01:22:10,556 I don't think that he totally transcended boxing... 1387 01:22:10,558 --> 01:22:12,325 until he went back to boxing, 1388 01:22:12,327 --> 01:22:16,462 until he went back on that platform. 1389 01:22:18,632 --> 01:22:21,567 This is an incredible scene. 1390 01:22:21,569 --> 01:22:23,136 The place is going wild. 1391 01:22:23,138 --> 01:22:26,906 Muhammad Ali has won! Muhammad Ali has won! 1392 01:22:26,908 --> 01:22:28,775 Naturally when you're young, 1393 01:22:28,777 --> 01:22:30,610 you want your father all to yourself. 1394 01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:32,645 My father would go off on trips, 1395 01:22:32,647 --> 01:22:35,782 going to China or Libya or wherever, 1396 01:22:35,784 --> 01:22:37,583 and I would cry. 1397 01:22:37,585 --> 01:22:41,387 He said to me one time, "You know, Hana, I'm your daddy, 1398 01:22:41,389 --> 01:22:42,822 but I'm also the daddy to the world." 1399 01:22:42,824 --> 01:22:45,959 And I said, "You're not my daddy. You're Muhammad Ali." 1400 01:22:45,961 --> 01:22:49,228 Whenever he would leave, he was Muhammad Ali. 1401 01:22:49,396 --> 01:22:51,664 I'll always gonna be one black one... 1402 01:22:51,666 --> 01:22:54,500 who got big on your white televisions, 1403 01:22:54,502 --> 01:22:56,803 on your white newspapers, on your satellites... 1404 01:22:56,805 --> 01:23:00,506 and 100% stay with and represent my people. 1405 01:23:00,508 --> 01:23:02,875 That was my purpose, and that's why I'm happy. 1406 01:23:02,877 --> 01:23:04,544 I'm here, and I'm showing the world... 1407 01:23:04,546 --> 01:23:08,448 that you can be here and still free and stay yourself... 1408 01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:11,484 and get respect from the world. 1409 01:23:12,453 --> 01:23:14,120 When Elijah Muhammad died in '75, 1410 01:23:14,122 --> 01:23:20,226 the decision of the leadership was to name Wallace Muhammad, Elijah's son, 1411 01:23:20,228 --> 01:23:21,327 as the new leader. 1412 01:23:21,329 --> 01:23:23,663 We've arrived here. The trip was successful. 1413 01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:29,635 He began to change the Nation to something more akin to traditional Islam. 1414 01:23:29,637 --> 01:23:32,305 Less attention to black nationalism. 1415 01:23:32,307 --> 01:23:33,539 Less attention to race. 1416 01:23:33,541 --> 01:23:37,677 Muhammad Ali became a follower of Wallace Muhammad. 1417 01:23:37,679 --> 01:23:39,979 Most members went along with them at first. 1418 01:23:39,981 --> 01:23:42,982 And then eventually, people in the Nation convinced 1419 01:23:42,984 --> 01:23:44,384 Louis Farrakhan to break away... 1420 01:23:44,386 --> 01:23:49,555 and reform Elijah Muhammad's race-oriented version. 1421 01:23:49,557 --> 01:23:51,090 And that's been that way ever since. 1422 01:23:51,092 --> 01:23:55,261 In the early days of the religion, they have black separatism. 1423 01:23:55,263 --> 01:23:57,263 In those days, you were the devil. 1424 01:23:57,265 --> 01:23:59,799 The white man was the devil. That's right. 1425 01:23:59,801 --> 01:24:02,702 Ali was constantly evolving, 1426 01:24:02,704 --> 01:24:05,505 constantly growing... 1427 01:24:05,507 --> 01:24:08,608 from the narrow view... 1428 01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:12,712 of the Nation of Islam in its infancy... 1429 01:24:12,714 --> 01:24:15,782 to the broad universal view... 1430 01:24:15,784 --> 01:24:20,620 of Islam in its fullest development. 1431 01:24:20,622 --> 01:24:22,555 That's Ali. 1432 01:24:23,824 --> 01:24:25,324 I'm a Muslim, 1433 01:24:25,326 --> 01:24:28,661 and I'm against killing, violence, 1434 01:24:28,663 --> 01:24:32,265 and all Muslims are against it. 1435 01:24:32,533 --> 01:24:37,837 I think the people should know the real truth about Islam. 1436 01:24:37,839 --> 01:24:41,541 And I wouldn't be here to represent Islam... 1437 01:24:41,543 --> 01:24:45,078 if it was really like the terrorists made it look. 1438 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:49,082 I think that all the people should know the truth... 1439 01:24:49,084 --> 01:24:56,084 and come to recognize the truth because Islam is peace. 1440 01:24:56,557 --> 01:25:01,627 Ali... he has made more people examine Islam. 1441 01:25:01,629 --> 01:25:04,831 And they find that Islam ain't what the government... 1442 01:25:04,833 --> 01:25:09,469 and the enemies of Islam trying to make it out to be. 1443 01:25:10,004 --> 01:25:11,004 Since 9/11, 1444 01:25:11,005 --> 01:25:15,775 Islam has acquired so many layers and dimensions and textures. 1445 01:25:15,777 --> 01:25:18,911 When the Nation of Islam was considered as a threatening religion, 1446 01:25:18,913 --> 01:25:23,749 traditional Islam was seen as a gentle alternative. 1447 01:25:23,751 --> 01:25:26,686 And now quite the contrary. 1448 01:25:26,688 --> 01:25:29,989 The Nation of Islam is seen as a tame domestic version... 1449 01:25:29,991 --> 01:25:33,993 and traditional Islam is seen as the threatening thing. 1450 01:25:33,995 --> 01:25:37,096 Muhammad Ali occupies a weird kind of place... 1451 01:25:37,098 --> 01:25:41,534 in that shifting interpretation of Islam. 1452 01:25:42,636 --> 01:25:46,639 He'll always be the greatest fighter ever. 1453 01:25:46,641 --> 01:25:49,442 But I just outgrew him. 1454 01:25:52,146 --> 01:25:54,747 My father's first marriage was to Sonji Roi, 1455 01:25:54,749 --> 01:25:57,950 and it didn't last long, about a year. 1456 01:25:57,952 --> 01:26:01,354 His second wife, he had four kids with. 1457 01:26:04,391 --> 01:26:07,126 His third wife, Veronica Porsche, my mother, 1458 01:26:07,128 --> 01:26:10,096 he had myself and my sister, Laila. 1459 01:26:10,098 --> 01:26:11,931 And his current wife, Lonnie, 1460 01:26:11,933 --> 01:26:13,933 they adopted together one child. 1461 01:26:13,935 --> 01:26:17,837 And my father has two children by women he was not married to. 1462 01:26:17,839 --> 01:26:20,373 So there's nine of us, and we're one big happy family... 1463 01:26:20,375 --> 01:26:23,509 'cause he brought us together in the summers every year. 1464 01:26:23,511 --> 01:26:28,381 Probably drove my mother crazy and everybody else crazy. We had a ball. 1465 01:26:29,917 --> 01:26:34,020 I see him at certain family events. 1466 01:26:34,022 --> 01:26:36,522 It hurts sometimes to look at him too long. 1467 01:26:36,524 --> 01:26:41,360 I can be around for a few minutes and then I have to walk away. 1468 01:26:41,362 --> 01:26:45,565 But then I see there's a good aura there. 1469 01:26:45,567 --> 01:26:48,668 Then I'll penetrate it with some good memories. 1470 01:26:48,670 --> 01:26:53,272 And then I fall in love with him all over again. 1471 01:26:54,074 --> 01:26:56,209 All the wealth of the universe... 1472 01:26:56,211 --> 01:27:03,211 and all the wealth on earth is equal to mosquitoes... 1473 01:27:03,751 --> 01:27:06,852 compared to what you get in the next life. 1474 01:27:06,854 --> 01:27:09,025 Some who know him believe 1475 01:27:09,026 --> 01:27:12,226 that all those blows to the head damaged his brain, 1476 01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:15,628 that he is no longer the man he was inside. 1477 01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:19,131 He has Parkinson's, as the world knows. 1478 01:27:19,133 --> 01:27:20,566 But he's healthy otherwise. 1479 01:27:20,568 --> 01:27:24,804 He is happy being Muhammad Ali. He enjoys who he is. 1480 01:27:24,806 --> 01:27:25,905 He's not in any pain. 1481 01:27:25,907 --> 01:27:28,741 He believes that everything has a purpose and a time. 1482 01:27:28,743 --> 01:27:31,611 And, you know, he's... he's happy. 1483 01:27:31,613 --> 01:27:34,981 When you do the right thing, man, you will prevail at the end. 1484 01:27:34,983 --> 01:27:37,717 It's just a matter of you being out there in the front... 1485 01:27:37,719 --> 01:27:41,621 of the people who haven't caught up with you yet. 1486 01:27:46,827 --> 01:27:53,165 When he lit the Olympic torch in '96, 1487 01:27:53,167 --> 01:27:55,568 I felt tears in my eyes. 1488 01:28:01,009 --> 01:28:05,244 The greatest of all time! 1489 01:28:05,246 --> 01:28:09,515 But to see him carry that, 1490 01:28:09,517 --> 01:28:13,953 uh, it was a big-time howdy. 1491 01:28:13,955 --> 01:28:17,223 It was a perfect poetic moment. 1492 01:28:19,726 --> 01:28:23,829 If anybody should've lit the torch in any Olympic Games, 1493 01:28:23,831 --> 01:28:27,533 it should have been Muhammad Ali. 1494 01:28:27,535 --> 01:28:29,568 In the '60s and '70s, 1495 01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:34,674 he was the most recognizable face in the world. 1496 01:28:34,676 --> 01:28:37,810 We created a symbol. 1497 01:28:38,211 --> 01:28:44,550 Muhammad Ali has long since been supplanted... 1498 01:28:44,552 --> 01:28:48,621 by what we believe he is. 1499 01:28:48,623 --> 01:28:51,157 One more time! Who's the champ of the world? 1500 01:28:51,158 --> 01:28:52,092 Muhammad Ali! 1501 01:28:52,093 --> 01:28:55,161 There are so many ways of looking at him... 1502 01:28:55,163 --> 01:28:58,297 that have only to do with us... 1503 01:28:58,299 --> 01:29:03,069 and have nothing to do with him. 1504 01:29:03,870 --> 01:29:08,574 When Muhammad Ali took that stand... 1505 01:29:09,976 --> 01:29:13,279 - That was a hell of a stand. - It certainly was. 1506 01:29:13,281 --> 01:29:16,649 And my father was always more than a boxer. 1507 01:29:16,651 --> 01:29:18,951 To me, he's the eighth wonder of the world. 1508 01:29:18,953 --> 01:29:20,219 That's the one title I'm waiting for. 1509 01:29:20,221 --> 01:29:24,190 Muhammad Ali... the eighth wonder of the world. 1510 01:29:28,595 --> 01:29:31,197 I love you, champ. 1511 01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:32,832 You're my soul and my heart. 1512 01:29:32,834 --> 01:29:35,101 Only brother I got. Love you. 1513 01:29:37,003 --> 01:29:39,038 I love you. Peace. 1514 01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:26,539 Published 01/22/2014 @ www.podnapisi.net 131438

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