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Agent Ballesteros,

can you walk us through
what happened

as you approached the compound
on the morning of February 28th?

Yeah. Um...

my team was assigned to approach
the, uh, front entrance, here.

And what happened
as you approached?

As we got close,

David Koresh opened the door
and stood there in the doorway.

And it was a double door?

Yes, a double door.

The left one was shut,
Koresh had opened the right.

Did you announce
yourself as you approached?

Yes. I yelled, "Police,"

and I said that
we had a search warrant.

And-and what did he do?

There are women
and children in here!

When I was
about 15 feet from the door,

he smirked,

then turned, went back inside,
and shut the door behind him.

And then what happened?

Then I heard a male voice say,
"Get that SOB off the porch."

Then they just started shooting.

Heavy, like someone took
a string of firecrackers

and dropped them all around me.

Shots ripped through the door.

Splintered the wood.

One struck my right hand
so I, uh...

I dove over the fence

and into the dog pit, here.

So they shot first?

Meaning the Branch Davidians

shot through the door first?

Yes.

Agent Ballesteros,

when you were in the dog pit,

were you alone?

Uh, initially,
and then I was joined by, uh...

Agent Willis
who had also been shot.

And where had
Agent Willis been shot?

All over.

The wounds he had sustained
were bleeding heavily.

I pulled him over,
trying to get us both flat

to avoid the shots
coming from the second floor.

We couldn't move.

You were pinned there?

Yes.

The medic was trying to reach us
and pull Willis back...

the gunfire was relentless...

automatic, high caliber rounds.

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And how long
were you pinned there?

How long were
the Branch Davidians

firing on you?

Two and a half hours.

I eventually looked down
at Willis and he, uh...

Um, so I yelled over
to the medic.

I basically told him there was
no use coming any further.

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Oh.

...over there.

And we picked up
the hoses and...

Welcome home! [chuckles]

How was it?

It was wonderful.

Oh.

Come here, you.

Oh.

Honey, I missed you.

Oh, you too.

Israel's beautiful.

Can't wait
to show it to you someday.

When the Lord came

For to carry
my love away...

We're glad you're back,
you were missed.

You guys hungry?

Not really.

Thank you, though. Mm.

You seem different somehow.

Boy, you sure
don't miss a thing, do you?

Oh, quit being humble.

Tell 'em.

Vernon started seeing visions

when we were in Jerusalem.

Oh.
- Vernon has become

a vessel for the Lord.

Oh, that's incredible.
- Oh.

Yeah, well, I'm just grateful

that you gave me
the opportunity to go.

Seemed like
the right thing to do.

Well, tell us all about it.

Well, we're still working out
what it is exactly,

what it exactly means.

But when the time is right,
we'll share with everybody.

You know, it was a long flight
and I sure am tired.

I think I'll, uh, go lay down
for a while.

Yeah, I'm--I'm tired myself.

I think I'll do the same.

Ruth.

Clive.

Will the circle

Be unbroken...

You ever wonder
what that would feel like?

By and by...

Hmm? What what would be like?

Have the gift of prophecy?

I bet it'd be scary at first.

How do you know
you're not going crazy?

Oh, looks like
Lois left her suitcase.

I'll just run it over to her.

I'll be right back.

Hide my sorrow

When they laid her

In the grave

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Are we sure
there's anybody in here?

Well, Carol told us
Wild Bill and his buddies

stayed here
the night before the robbery.

And it figures there's still
someone in there

who was helping them.

Well, I'm not sure why we had
to be here at the crack of dawn.

You got somewhere else
you gotta be?

Yeah, asleep.

Just like I'm sure
these knuckleheads are.

Here we go.

Hands up!
Get down! Freeze! Freeze!

Freeze! Get down!
Down!

On the ground!
Get down!

On the ground!

Roger on Unit 121.

Clear!

Hmm.

Yeah,
you were clear. Were you clear?

Hey, excuse me. Do you mind?

Thank you.

Ah.

Huh. Turner Diaries.

Well, well, well.

Why would anyone
need six fax machines?

Beats me.

Maybe it's to, uh, help
spread propaganda, you know?

Something's queued up
to print here.

Let's see.

Taking Aim.

Militia of Montana.

Why would bank robbers
in Arkansas

want a militia newsletter
from Montana?

That is a good question.

You know,
the FBI's current position

is that these militia groups
don't get along,

so they don't communicate,
but maybe that's changing.

There's a whole box of them.

Hey, what's
the oldest one in there?

May '93.
Yeah.

That's right after Waco.

Pretty smooth.

You'll need help.

I cannot be involved
in something like this.

Not directly.

Then maybe someone else?

No...

no one here.

Then I can do it on my own.

No, you can't.

You need help.

One lone soldier
never won a war.

Do you have any friends
that can help you?

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Hey, it's Tim.

McVeigh.
I'm in your neighborhood.

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"Let the Federal
government be warned.

True Patriots will refresh
the tree of liberty

with your blood,

as you have spilled blood

at Ruby Ridge and Waco."

You think this is enough
to run his phone records?

Uh, no.

First Amendment,
he's got the right to say

whatever dumb thing
pops into his head.

But that's not
really my concern.

I keep thinking about that
bank of fax machines we found.

If this newsletter
is getting out

to even a handful
of these groups,

it could be amplifying
the message exponentially.

I wonder what kind of readership
this rag gets.

Well, we can just call and ask.

They put their phone number out
on the back of this thing.

Taking Aim.

Yeah, I run a small arms
manufacturing business

in Oklahoma

and I read your newsletter

at a friend's place
the other day.

I wanted to commend you

on your support
of the Second Amendment.

Uh, I also wanted to inquire

about advertising
in your newsletter.

Yeah?

Uh, but the thing is,
my business partners,

they're not so keen
on the idea of advertising

in such a local paper.

Local?

No. We have a broader reach

than your partners
may realize.

That so?

We ship to 43 states
and counting.

Well, you know, we have a fairly
sizable advertising budget.

We were looking to go
pretty small with you, guys,

but if you have
that kind of reach--

Offering a deal.

You take out an ad now
and keep it running,

we'll lock in the rate
based on today's readership.

We're doubling
our subscribers

every six months.

Every six months?
That's impressive.

So, uh,
what's your readership at now?

Couple hundred?

No. Over 50,000 readers
per issue.

Well, Ballesteros hurt us,

there's no getting around that.

Which is why
we should go at him,

get into his past cases.

Was there something
in his personal history, uh,

a domestic dispute or something?

Slow down there, cowboy.
Careful, that's spicy.

Rocket, I love your enthusiasm,

but Ballesteros watched
his buddy die in his arms.

There's no way the jury
is gonna see him as the bad guy.

Agreed. Any air time
we give Ballesteros

is just a loss for us,
so we should just tell him

to have a nice day and move on.

Well, you know,
I'm not saying that either.

Ballesteros will never be
the bad guy.

Not after what
he's been through.

We're not gonna win that.

And our clients will never
be the heroes either 'cause...

well, the jury
doesn't like them.

Hell, the whole world
doesn't like them.

We need to show the jury

that this is a story
about failed leadership,

on both sides.

How long did you train
for the raid on February 28th?

About a week.

And during that week,
did you ever prepare

for a peaceful entry

or-or ways in which
you might avoid violence?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Well, what I mean is that
the-the warrant you obtained

was a knock and serve warrant,

which means you're supposed
to knock on the door

and-and serve a search warrant.

My question is, is why wasn't
that part of your plan?

We had information
that suggested that

the residents at Mount Carmel

might try to kill themselves
if Koresh was arrested.

We were trying to go in with
speed and force to avoid that.

What?

And, uh,
what was the operation

to raid Mount Carmel called?

Operation Trojan Horse.

Is that what you called it?

How did you refer
to the raid internally

among the other agents
during training?

Operation Showtime.

Operation Showtime?

Well, that's interesting.

Why Showtime?

Were there--
were there cameras there?

There was someone filming, yes.

Oh. Well, that's great.

Why are we even arguing
about what happened?

We, we should just
watch the tape.

Can we see the tape,
Agent Ballesteros?

No.

No? Why not?

Because it was lost.

It was lost?

Well, that's unfortunate.

Does the, uh--does the ATF
film a lot of its raids?

I couldn't answer that.

Well, have you been involved
in other raids that were filmed?

Not that I remember.

And how long did it take
for the EMTs to arrive

to help your wounded?

How long?
- Yeah. How long?

Hours. Not until
after the ceasefire.

Didn't your leaders
make any contingencies

for you and your men
in case there was a problem?

No.

No?

No, there was
no contingency plan for us.

Well, what about Happy Meals?

McDonald's Happy Meals.

Did your leaders make any plans
to have Happy Meals on hand?

Yes.

And how many Happy Meals
were brought on this raid?

A hundred.

A hundred Happy Meals,

but not one ambulance,
just in case?

Why the Happy Meals?

They thought
it would look good on camera

after the raid
to-to show the world

that we were treating
these kids.

On camera?
- Yes.

The cameras that were lost
after everything went haywire?

Yes.

Now, you testified that

the Davidians shot first.

Yeah, I did. They, they did.

And then you and Willis
took cover in the dog pen?

Right.

Boy, those dogs
must have been mad

the way you guys
were attacking their home.

Objection. Argumentative.

Sustained.
Watch yourself, counselor.

Were you scared of the dogs?

No.
- No?

Why not?

The dogs were dead.

They were dead?
- Yeah.

They'd been shot?
- Yes.

So when you say
the Davidians shot first,

what you really mean is
that the Davidians shot

after you charged in
and started shooting,

killing their dogs?

You don't have to answer
right now

because you already did
about ten months ago.

Uh, in an interview
you gave to the Texas Rangers

a few weeks after the incident,

you talked about hearing gunfire

as you approached
the front door,

is that correct?

Well, I'm-I'm not sure.

I don't remember
what I said in that interview.

It was a long time ago.

Well,
let-let me remind you.

It says here you heard shots

as you exited the trailer

and assumed
it was the "dog team"

who went in first
to shoot the dogs

so they wouldn't attack anyone
during the raid.

Does that sound about right?

I-I may have said that before,

but I don't believe it
to be true now.

The first shots were the ones

that came through
the door at us.

The shots you jumped away from
into a pit

that had dead dogs in it?

Yeah.

I wanna thank you
for your service.

Thank you.

I'm just sorry you served
under the kinds of leaders

who thought of everything
that would look good on the news

and nothing
about their own men's safety.

Objection!
- No need. I'm done here.

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Hey, Terry.

If I was gonna do something,

I mean something big,

would you help me?

Like, what kind of thing?

There's a couple more
depositions we found.

But don't work too hard.

We did good today, huh?

Do you know what this is?

It's discovery
for tomorrow's witnesses.

In other words,
it's all the evidence

the prosecutors have
pertaining to the witnesses

they're gonna call
tomorrow in court.

Now, usually the defense gets
that weeks before the trial.

But in this case,
I get it at 5:00 p.m.

the day before,
which means I have to stay up

until 2:00 a.m. every night
trying to find something

I can use in order
to do my job defending you.

But none of that matters
if the jury doesn't like you.

I don't--I don't understand.

It means I need you
to tell your buddy Ruth here

to stop scoffing
at the witnesses

and I need her
to wear the damn dress.

Today, I have
a special treat for y'all.

I have asked Vernon
to lead the lesson.

Vernon?

The antediluvians
were great sinners.

And they did everything
they could

to misrepresent
the image of God, Paul tells us.

But then, God made a system...

so simple, to be saved, that...

all they had to do was get
on that ark to be rescued.

It was that simple.

Rachel, hand me my Bible.

And now, we look back on that
with amazement,

thinking how foolish
those antediluvians were.

But the thing of it is,

we're far greater sinners
than they ever were.

So how do we know
we're not missing our own signs,

our own opportunity to be saved?

When God tells us,

"Get in that ark, Clive Doyle!"

How many of us say,

"Well, maybe give me
a minute there, God.

I got all these really
important things I'm doing here.

I got this laundry
I'm doing.

The carburetor's leakin'.

Man, there's
this real good episode

of Dukes of Hazzard on the TV.

Maybe I'll get on that ark
after that.

Maybe I can pencil it in
for next Tuesday?"

When I had my vision
in Israel and God told me,

"Boy, get those dang people
into that ark,"

I'm paraphrasing here.

I told Him I'd do anything
for you people here.

Even die for you,
if it came down to it.

He's catching people's eyes.

Better be careful.

He has a gift.
It's nothing to fear.

You moving?
- Didn't you hear?

They're shutting down
our undercover unit.

Shutting you down?
- Yup.

After Waco, our bosses,
in their infinite wisdom,

decided that domestic terrorism
is no longer a primary concern

for us as an agency.

That we should focus
on foreign enemies.

Uh-hmm.
- Ironically,

Waco also fueled
the very problem

they're trying real hard
not to see.

You know, I would say,
"No offense intended,"

but I would be lying.

Yeah. All right.

Yeah, I got a question for you.
- Yeah.

Do you know who this fella is?

Yup.
That is Pappy Millar.

Hmm.
- Scary dude.

Religious extremist,

founded Elohim City
in Oklahoma,

mentored multiple people
who went on to kill cops,

federal agents.

I would steer clear.
- Uh-hmm.

Hey.

You know where this photo
was taken?

Uh-hmm.

That is
the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous.

Happened just after Ruby Ridge.

It was like a meeting
of the five families,

but white supremacist version.

Huh. [sniffles]

Bunch of Nazis, KKK,
all these assholes,

they got together for a picnic.

They decided on a new strategy.

Apparently,
they didn't like the way

they were being portrayed
in the media,

so they decided to start
calling themselves "Patriots."

Guess it sounded better
than Klansmen or Nazis.

Uh-hmm.

Well, you know what Patriots do.

They overthrow a tyranny.

I just had a bank robber
from Elohim City

who must have used
that word 14 times.

I found this photo in his room.

He mentioned there's some
kind of payback for Waco coming.

I would take that one seriously.

You coming, Cogdell?

Uh, no. I'm gonna work
a little longer.

Yeah.
You wanna just talk

to that waitress, don't you?

Whatever happens, happens.

All right, man.
Good night.

Good night.

Oh. Hey, Jocelyn,
can I get one more of those?

Yeah. I got you.
- All right.

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What you doing there, padre?

I've been watching the trial

and researching
what happened at Waco.

You're doing a good job.

Always nice to meet a fan.

But you need to go harder
at the government.

Listen, I,
I appreciate the critique,

but, uh, I'd like to get
a little privacy here,

if that's all right.

You need to pursue
the cover-up

with the same energy
that you're pursuing

the incident itself.

You're missing a big story here

because, ironically,

you don't believe
your own argument.

Man, what are you talking about?

You are trying so hard

to make the Davidians look
like they were victims.

They were victims,

during the siege
and every day since.

You're talking
about how the ATF shot first,

but you're not talking
about the bullet holes

in the front door
that would prove it.

The doors burned up in the fire.

No. No, they didn't.

Those were metal doors,
the Feds are just hiding them.

No, they were wood.
It's in all the reports

and I'm not having
a conversation about it

with some paranoid
conspiracy theorist

in the men's room, so--
- William Colby,

former director of the CIA
told me personally

that US Federal Agents
were picking off Koresh's people

during the siege, and then,

he was found drowned, so...

Okay.

Please unlock the door

and get out of the way
before I throw a punch

and embarrass both of us.

This is bigger than you think.

There is so much more
I can tell you.

Information I have,
photos, documents.

I...I just wanna help.

While we enjoy
this delicious meal,

I wanted to share something
with you all.

I received another message...

a vision from God.

He told me I was to take a wife.

And he was specific, too,
with who that wife should be.

He showed me her face in the sky

with a million shining suns
behind her.

And he told me that together,

she and I would birth
the first of the Elders

spoken of in Revelation,

who will one day sit in judgment
over the end times.

And her name...

was Rachel.

The Lord has commanded
I take you as my bride.

You see it now?

You must be misinterpreting
your vision.

She's just a girl.

The prophecy was clear.

Then your own desires
must be getting in the way.

Believe me,

I don't like this
any better than you do.

But God has spoken,

and I must follow His dictates
where they lead.

You used me.

You just think I'm an old fool.

Did you ever even love me?

You snake!
Oh!

Clive, get the bus!

Get out! Get out! Quick!

Come on!

On the bus, let's go!
Come on!

Quickly! Get on the bus!

Go with them! Go with them!

Come on! Fast!

Vernon, you... [panting]

Don't!
- Come with us.

I can't. I can't leave Lois.

It's okay.
God told me I'll be back here.

All right, let's go.

Put your heads down!

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Thank you.

God will resurrect them.

David...

everyone we lost.

We'll all be together
again someday.

I don't wanna be in a jail cell
when that happens.

We'll do our best.

The, uh--the front doors
to Mount Carmel,

they were wood, right?

No, metal.

All the doors were metal.

Why?

No.

What's this?

Well, that's a newsletter
from the Militia of Montana,

and this is a lovely book
called The Turner Diaries.

We found both of them at that

Aryan Nation flophouse
in Arkansas.

Now, we've also found copies
of this book in raids

in Florida, Nevada, Michigan,
Montana, and California.

Hm.

We're not the book police, Gary.
This is still America.

People can read
what they want to.

You know what this book's about?

It's about trying to ignite

a new Civil War in America.

And the hero of this book begins

by using a truck bomb

to blow up FBI headquarters.

And by the end,
they're storming the US Capitol

to kill specific legislators
to overthrow the government.

That's a little farfetched,

don't you think?
- No.

Not to mention,
this thing was published

almost 20 years ago.

So how is this suddenly
an emergency?

Because I believe
that these groups

are using this book to help
coordinate their efforts.

These militias,
they used to be separate,

you know, little pockets
here and there,

we could deal with them.

But now, Waco...

has done something to them.

It's--it's united them.

And they're starting
to look more

like a foreign terrorist network

than anything we've ever seen
in the US before.

All these separate
individual cells

united by a common ideology...

a common enemy, us.

Okay. Look, Gary...

I know you feel shitty
about what happened at Waco.

Hell, we all feel shitty
about it.

It was a shitty situation
all around.

But it's done,
you cannot undo it.

I'm not trying to undo it.

I'm trying to stop it
from happening again.

And so am I.

The decision's
already been made, Gary,

above my pay grade.

The bureau is now
gonna concentrate

all of its efforts
on foreign terrorism.

Never mind. Okay.

You know what? I-I, uh...

I kept quiet after Waco,
you know?

I played nice.
I kept my mouth shut.

But I'm telling you now, Alan,
in no uncertain terms,

if you won't let me look
into this new "Patriot Movement"

and they do something stupid,

I'm not gonna be quiet about it.

Not again.

If something terrible happens,

I'm gonna have to tell the world

that I warned you
specifically today.

Two weeks.

But if you do anything
even remotely reckless,

I will not wait for the DOJ
review to come back, Gary.

I will fire you myself.

Do you understand?
- Yes, sir.

So how's a nice girl like you
end up a neo-Nazi?

Oh. [chuckles]

Wow, you get right to it, huh?

Yeah.

Yeah, I was reading your file.

It looks like you went
to some good schools,

honor student,
champion horseback rider.

A regular debutante.

I was also a pole dancer
at Lady Godiva's.

Did it say that in there?
- Uh-hmm.

Well, that's quite
a lateral move,

pole dancing to joining
the Aryan Republican Army,

isn't it?

I don't know.

I was mostly in it
for Wild Bill.

What can I say?
I guess I like the bad boys...

...and they just love me.

I guess
what I'm getting at is,

did you join just for Bill

or are you a true believer?

I'm not sure a true believer

would be having milkshakes
with a Fed.

Right.

What's this about, Gary?

How would you feel about going
back to Elohim City...

for us?

Like an informant?
Yeah, an informant.

Bad.

I feel bad about that.

Those guys are crazy.

They ever found out
I ratted out Wild Bill,

well, they'd kill me.

They found out
I was working with you all?

Well, they'd kill me real mean.

Well, what are they gonna think
if you disappear

now that Wild Bill
has been arrested?

Hmm? That's gonna look
pretty suspicious, too.

If you help us,
we can protect you.

You won't be on your own.

Just like you guys protected
Vicki Weaver?

Or like you protected
those people down at Waco?

No, thank you.

I don't need the FBI
protecting me.

I've been on my own
my whole life.

Don't try to find me again.

This is
a CBS News Special Report.

John Roberts at the CBS News
headquarters in New York.

Some six hours after the FBI
launched an operation

trying to bring
the 51-day standoff...

People like us were
in that building.

The kinds of people
nobody cares about.

If we burned
right alongside them,

if your wife and son
burned in there,

nobody would have given
a shit about them either.

Nobody cares about us,

because they don't fear us.

...when
the main building caught fire

and flames quickly spread

leaving behind
a devastating aftermath...

But they will.

I'm in.

Whatever it is you're doing...

I'm in.

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