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[Peggy]

[Grosse]

[Peggy]

[Bill] Here.
We should have a little talk.

I come to see my wife

but then she weren’t here...

and I found out she was dead.

I’m Bill...

I’m a G-H-O-S-T.

[director] Mark it.

[beeping]

And action.

Think of yourselves
as a jury now.

I come along to you, and I say,
"A girl has levitated.

She seemed to float
round the room."

You say, "Right.
You’re hallucinating."

That’s the usual thing.
"You’re hallucinating."

You know?
"You’re going round the bend.
No such thing can happen."

But...

[Robertson]
What’s happening now?

[Robertson] I can’t get in.
There’s a really strong
force pushing the door.

What’s happening? What? What?

[children whimpering, screaming]

[distorted audio]

- [screaming, breathing heavily]
- [Peggy] Janet. Janet.

- [Billy crying]
- And I could see her going up

and down, up and down.

[Morris] She’s gone
from that to that
in a sixth of a second.

Dragged. Like this.
Like-Like this.

[Grosse] She’s showing
being pulled forward
with her hands together.

The chair, which was standing
by Janet’s bed,
appears to have moved.

[Grosse] The chair’s
been thrown nine feet.

[Janet] Help!

[Peggy] Now the chair gone over.

[Bill] I’m Bill Wilkinson.

I come from Durants
Park graveyard.

I had an hemorrhage,
and I fell asleep,

and I died in a chair
in a corner downstairs.

Now, that is what I call
first-class evidence.

[Gregory] Maurice Grosse
seems to imagine that
the often barely audible

and very noisy sound recordings,
of which he plays
snatches at meetings,

constitute facts
that others have to disprove

if they are to challenge
paranormality at Enfield.

Now can you say,
"Anita Gregory"?

Come on. "Anita Gregory."

[Gregory] I have visited
the house on four occasions.

Come on. Come on, try.
I know it’s hard.
Say, "Anita Gregory."

The extremely
uncritical attitude

of Maurice Grosse
and Guy Playfair

seems to me to cast doubt
on their reliability

as interpreters of experience.

[Grosse] The cry
that I so often hear is,

"You want to believe,
so you believe."

We’re talking about
assessing the evidence

because this is very,
very important.

First of all, a deep, gruff,
male staccato voice

coming from the child,
Janet, 11 years--

[Carr] The Enfield case
had been going on
for about six months.

It was already very famous.

It had been reported
in the media and on television.

[members chattering]

Quite a lot of people were
critical of the investigations,

and I know that Maurice and Guy
were certainly upset by that.

From their perspective,

they were spending
all their time on this case.

And yet, here they saw these,
you know, rather dry,

academic types in the SPR
who were just
expressing skepticism.

[Grosse] Janet didn’t even know
what a poltergeist was.

How is it that she spoke
in the same manner
as poltergeists

were reported two centuries ago?

How does a child
of 11 years old cope
with this sort of voice?

- [person on TV, indistinct]
- [audience cheering]

[Grosse] Janet still
maintains that the only
thing she feels when it talks

is a vibration
in the back of her
head and neck.

I’ve explained to her
that she is talking
in this voice,

but she maintains
she is unaware of it.

I have, as yet, found no reason
to disbelieve what she says.

[Grosse]
We’ve seen, quite clearly,
time and time again,

that the voice talks
through her without any
movement of her lips whatsoever.

I mean, people who
should know better say,
"Well, that’s ventriloquism."

Well, you produce me
the ventriloquist who can
talk without even a tremor

on his lips
and articulate correctly.

I’d like to see it.

I mean, absolutely impossible.

I mean, if she
was a ventriloquist,

she’d be world’s number one.

Mr. Ray Alan.

[audience cheering]

[Alan as Lord Charles, slurring]
Thank you so much for having me.

Ladies and gentlemen,
I apologize. I’ve had a couple.

[audience chuckling]

[Morris]
One evening we’re at the house.

I’ve looked out the window,

and this unbelievably
expensive car has pitched
up outside.

This chap got out.
I thought... [sighs]
..."I recognize him."

Yes, it was TV
ventriloquist Ray Alan.

Ventriloquist.

What is going on? [chuckles]

[Bence] The managing editor of
the Mirror sent Ray Alan round.

I can only assume
the motivation was to
discredit that whole saga.

I was horrified
when I found out.

[Morris] He was there
to work out whether it
was physically possible

for Janet to make those voices.

[Bence] Ray Alan
was a very funny man,

but if you were choosing
a team of people
to gather evidence,

you wouldn’t
put Ray Alan in the team.

He wouldn’t
have been sympathetic.

[Morris] He took them off
into a room on their own,

so no one ever knew what
was said in there.

[Bence] I think the family
were looked down on.

All national newspapers
were skeptical, I think,
of paranormal stories.

[reporters chattering]

The Mirror was under pressure.

If you want to knock it
as a story, you’ll knock it.

The story was run
that Ray Alan said they
put on the voices themselves.

They giggled
and laughed about it.

You know, they’d play tricks.

[Grosse] Friday, March the 31st.

This morning,
Mrs. Hodgson phoned me

about the article
in the Daily Mirror
printed yesterday.

She said that Margaret
was most disturbed
at the accusations.

I reached the family
at 12:00 noon.

Now, Janet,
please come over here.

Ja-Janet, please pay attention.

Come on. Look,
this is very serious.

Now, listen. Did you, Janet,

say to them that
you had faked the voices?

So--
No.

No, because they didn’t ask me,
and I haven’t faked ’em anyway.

How did he get that idea then?
I mean, what exactly happened?

Said that he’d
been up here... [stammers]

...and that you’d, uh,
given them a long confession
to practically everything.

Margaret. Will you
come over here, Margaret dear?

What did he
say to you, Margaret?

Come on, Margaret.
This is terribly important.

You must tell me.

Come on, don’t worry about it.
What did he say to you?

He was saying-- [stammers]

I don’t know what he
was talking about.

He was just saying things
I didn’t understand.

[Grosse]
What was he saying? Sa--

Well, you see,
words I didn’t understand.

You didn’t understand
what he was saying, Margaret?

- [Margaret] No.
- And so what did you say to him?

I was just daydreaming,
thinking about what I need
for school tomorrow.

I wasn’t listening
to him at all.
I was thinking what I need.

And I’m going like
this all the time.

- Yeah.
- Nodding, that’s all.

Okay, so you were
nodding your head?

- That’s right.
- Yeah.

- I was just daydreaming. [sighs]
- [Grosse] I see.

Now, listen,
I’m going to ask you a question.

He said that you said you
and Janet had got together
to fake the voices.

- Now, is that true? Yes or no?
- No.

[Grosse] You definitely
did not say it?

I did not say
that even if I nodded.

- You definitely didn’t say it?
- I didn’t say it
with my own mouth, no.

- You didn’t say it
with your own mouth.
- No.

Do you think the voice
might have said it?
As far as you know--

My voice didn’t speak
once while they was in here,

so I don’t know
why they picked on me.

Well, listen, Mr. Grosse
and I have got to know
absolutely everything

- that wasn’t quite genuine,
you know?
- [Grosse sighs]

Otherwise, it’s gonna make
a lot of m-mess in our work.

You must understand it from
our point of view, you know?

That we’re trying to defend you
against these people,

so we’ve got
to be absolutely certain.

[Margaret] I was always
a nervous child.

I was never that strong.

I always cry at a bat
of an eyelid if someone
said something wrong to me.

I remember approaching
teenage years and being
very scared and frightened.

And I couldn’t understand
why this was going on

and what it could be.

And that really
emotionally upset me.

Now, Margaret,
have you at any time
faked the voice at all?

No. Never.
You absolutely never?

You have not?
Yeah, I’m quite sure.

Now, do you think that Janet
has ever faked the voice?

- Not that I know of, no. No.
- Not that you know of.

Have you ever faked
any of the physical
things that have happened?

[Margaret] No.

Definitely not?
Definitely not.

Not even one of them?

No. On my life.

On your life. Right. Thank you.

Why would I say it was a fake?

How could I say it was a fake?
I-I can’t.

[Grosse] Come on, Margaret.
I said you can go
to sleep as well.

Go on then. Good girl.

[Richard]
My father had three children,
and we were all quite naughty.

And we played games,
and he knew--

knew perfectly well when a child
was playing a game.

[Grosse through recorder]
No, thank you.

I don’t want you
turning my tape recorder
as far as...

[Richard] For someone
to come along and say
that everything was a game.

That, uh, Janet was
the greatest ventriloquist
in the world.

[inhales deeply] Uh, that she,
um, was the greatest magician
in the world.

Uh, that the two of these girls
were so brilliant

at their deception capabilities,
that they could, um--
They could fool, um,

you know, professionals
in-- [stammers]

Of every standing, um,
is, frankly, laughable.

[Margaret] Things escalated
with the press quite fast.

- [typewriter keys clacking]
- It was disturbing.

Papers were coming after us.
They were saying
different things.

Some was okay, some weren’t.

There was all different people
coming in the house,
and that scared me.

[Grosse] Hello?

[Bence] When the story became
more well-known
in the United States,

there was a lot of pressure,

and they were very fragile,
this family.

[radio host]

[Grosse]

[speaks indistinctly]

[Peggy]

Something that we didn’t
understand at first.

[Margaret] Before we knew it,
different countries
were phoning us.

[interviewer speaking French]

[interviewer speaking Dutch]

[Margaret] People from
all over the world just wanted
to know what was going on.

The more it escalated,
the more press,

the more people wanted
to come and see.

This is what they’re saying
in the paper today.

- "The guttural voice...
- [Peggy chuckles]

...like that
of an old man, swears,

threats and growls
like an animal.

’It is the voice
of the devil’"--

[Bence] The Warrens
were a couple of ghost hunters.

[television presenter]
For those who lived
through The Amityville Horror,

the emotional shock
still lingers.

The Warrens have investigated
many disturbed houses.

And they examined
the empty house...

Whenever you got
these odd things reported,

um, they would
be banging on the door.

If we say that we
hear voices, uh,
of a supernatural nature,

such as in
the Enfield home in England,

- they can’t go to the police.
- [interviewer]
All on a level. No baloney.

When we say
somebody levitates...

[Lorraine] You’ll have
to find out.
- ...there’s no scientist

in the world today

who could dispute the evidence
that we have

in regards to the preternatural
and the supernatural

and possession of individuals.

Let’s face it.
So, whatever I say
is only conjecture.

When I came on this case,
it was obvious to me it
was genuine.

It had all the hallmarks
of a poltergeist case

as soon as I walked
into the house.

And of course,
first thing we looked for
is fraud, but I didn’t find any.

- Right.
- But we certainly have had

the children motivated,
apparently motivated,

- to do things
against their will.
- Mm-hmm.

- [Grosse] Now-- Yes, instructed.
- Instructed.

Now, I believe that in
lots of poltergeist cases

where people have walked in
and seen children do
the things, they’ve said,

- "That’s a fake. That’s a f"--
- Well, we call it oppression.

- Uh, the--
the child is oppressed.
- Mmm. Being instructed--

Their thoughts are oppressed
to explain something...

- [Lorraine] Mmm.
- ...and immediately
they are the culprit.

The inexperienced
investigator will say,

- "Well, it’s all fraud."
- Fraud.

[Grosse] That’s it.
Good. Good. I’m delighted
to hear you say this.

- We’ve seen this time
and time again.
- Yes, we’ve heard it many times.

- Of course not.
- [Ed] We understand--

Well, I’m glad you do
because I have had
rather a few arguments here

with people I-I should’ve
thought would know better.

Of course.
But the man who will say
that it is not so, Mr. Grosse,

we find to be a man
who spends most
of the time in the lab...

- Mmm. Mmm. Mmm.
- ...and very little time
in the field.

[Grosse]
Psychic phenomena are elusive.

They do not conform
to the dictates

of our very limited knowledge
of the universe.

The hardened skeptics
may dismiss the evidence
out of hand,

but if anything,
I’ve been over-cautious
and over-careful in my approach.

[Grosse] If you’re looking
at a poltergeist case,

it’s no good taking
this bit and saying,
"The kids played around here."

And this bit saying,
"Mr. what’s-name did this

and Mrs. what’s-name"--

You gotta look
at the whole area.

[SPR member] Can I ask you
on the ethical front,
how far are you willing to go?

You’re in this
girl’s bedrooms, uh--

- [Grosse] Mmm.
- You know,
how far are you going here?

If you say this happened,
and then someone says it didn’t,

that’s a challenge
to your integrity.

[Grosse] With respect,
you can pull each scene apart,

but you gotta take
the whole thing collectively.

What-What-What
are we looking for?

He could argue.

At the end of the day,
you have got to say

whether you think
it’s a genuine case
or not a genuine case.

It’s as simple
and as difficult as that.

And if he felt
someone affronted him...

he would fight his corner.

[Grosse through recorder]
I may be--
I may be too dogmatic,

but I-- All right,
then you give me
somebody who can speak

with their mouths closed,
and I’ll give you £500.
In my d--

[SPR members murmur]

Dad... [chuckles]
...was quite opinionated
and quite argumentative.

[Grosse] I’ve offered £1,000
to anybody who can
produce a girl

under similar circumstances,
and it’s never been taken up.

[Richard] He’s confident,
he’s tenacious,
and he’s pugnacious.

Undaunted. Single-minded.

All right, time is,
uh, ten o’clock.

[Grosse hums]

[Grosse sighs]

What’s that for?

[Janet mumbling]

As far as I can see,

the tape is absolutely,
completely sealed
over her mouth.

Now, just a minute,
before we do
anything else, Janet,

try and say, "Daisy, Daisy,
give me your answer do."

[Janet mumbles]

- Try.
- [Peggy] Just try.

[mumbles]

- Why can’t you do it?
- [mumbles]

’Cause the plaster
is sticking your lips together?

Right. And that’s why I used
this particular type of plaster.

[Grosse] No, she can breathe
through her mouth all right.

[Grosse through headphones]
We’re going to try
and record the voice.

Are you there, Bill?

Bill, can’t you talk
when Janet’s got her
mouth taped up?

[mumbles]

Janet, don’t you say anything.
Just let him talk.

Come on, Bill. Come on.
What have you got
to say for yourself?

- I’m-I’m facing the wall now,
like you--
- [Bill growls]

- What’s that? What did you say?
- [Bill growls]

Listen, can you--
can you say something
clearly to me?

Can you say to me,
"Shut the door"?

[Bill growls]

[Grosse]
No, that’s not very good.

You can do better than that.
Say it.

[Bill] Shut the door.

[Grosse] Oh, that was good.
Okay, say something else.

What else can you say?

Say, "Hello, Mr. Grosse."

[Bill] Hello, Mr. Grosse.

[Grosse] Well,
that’s impossible, isn’t it?

That is fantastic.
The voice was pretty
clear there.

So, I’m going to try
something else now.

- Right, take the water
into your mouth.
- [Peggy, Margaret chattering]

I want to see how
much water you take, all right?

Now hold that amount of water
in your mouth, all right? Right.

Now, off we go again.

I challenge you to talk.

Come on. I’m waiting for you.

[exhaling sharply]

What’s the matter?
What does that mean?

You can’t do it, hey?
I’m surprised.
I thought you could do it.

[exhales sharply]

What’d you say?
You can? Well, do it then.

[Paul] I remember
feeling uncomfortable...

but as a kid,
you don’t know what’s going on.

Say, "Daisy, Daisy,
give me your answer do."

Or something else.
I don’t mind what you say.

Anything you like,
but I want proper words.

Bill. Bill, you know
that you’re famous, don’t you?

You’re very famous now.

[echoing] Will you say
a sentence for me?
Come on now.

I say that you can’t talk
when Janet’s got her
mouth full of water.

Go-- Go on then. I’m wondering
if you can say it now. Come on.

Bill. Bill.

[Janet chokes]

[Bill] Daisy. Daisy.

- [coughing]
- [Grosse] Janet.

No. Janet, why didn’t you
spit the water out
until I told you?

- [Janet] You always--
- No, I-I don’t want you
to do anything

until I tell you.

You spat the water out too soon.

- [Janet] He made me.
- I know he made you do it.

I know he made you do it,
but you mustn’t do it--

You must wait
until I get in. You--

I can’t help it.

[Grosse] Janet,
please try and cooperate
with me, all right?

- Mmm.
- [Grosse] You did very,
very well then.

You did very well indeed,
and so did he.

He did very well.

[Paul] I’m not gonna go
with hindsight.

I’m saying at the time,
to me, it was real.

In a field where deception
and self-deception

are the rule.

A field where
the imagination may, in fact,

play an active and creative part

in producing that which
is being investigated.

How does one justify
a claim to knowledge?

To reasonable belief?

What degree of certainty
is it reasonable to demand?

[Blackmore] The SPR was full
of people who were hunting
for phenomena

to prove psychic things happen,

without being really
interested in how we
could understand the phenomena

in-in other ways.

Anita Gregory
was very intelligent.

And she valued openness
and honesty,

and listening to
the evidence in science.

[Janet screaming]

[Janet cries]

[Grosse] Right, back into bed.

[thuds]

- She’s on the bed this time.
- [Janet crying]

- [gasps] You didn’t get that?
- Stop where you are. Oh.

Uh, Anita Gregory. Hi.

[Grosse] Go on,
in-in you go. In you go.

Saw with your eyes,
she was right on
the bed that time.

Billy, I don’t want
any more crying.

[Janet]
God, I was pulled out that time.

- Were you there when she was--
- Yes. Yes.

Janet, how do you feel
this time?

Is it doing the same
to you this time
as it does before?

- [Janet] Yeah.
- Tell them how
it gets hold of you.

It pulls you up by the hands?

Does it feel as if
it’s holding you all the way

- when you go through the air?
- [Janet] Yes.

- Yes. Yes.
- [Grosse] Are you sure?

[Janet]

What about the blankets?

- What does it do about those?
- What do you mean about them?

[Gregory] Well, uh,
they push you back
quite a bit, don’t they?

Mmm.

Does it push them
along with you?

[Janet] Nah.

[Bill] Get out. You old slut.

That old cow,
I don’t like her.

[Grosse] Who’s that?

[Bill] Anita Gregory.

[Grosse]
Why don’t you like her?

[Bill]
’Cause she don’t believe me.

She will when I
pull her pants down.

[Blackmore] I think it is
not at all surprising

that when Anita went there,

much less happened
than when Maurice was there.

If you ask me
what a poltergeist is...
[inhales sharply]

...I-- [stammers, exclaims]

I-I don’t know,
a collection of phenomena

driven by, usually,
a family situation.

I mean, there’s usually
children involved, not always.

Um, there’s usually
all kinds of tensions
and things going on.

[Gregory] The trouble is
that this sort of case

is an unwholesome
and painful mixture

of personal
and social pathology...

[typewriter bell dings]

...play-acting,
group interaction,

self-deception,
trickery, ego-tripping,

and conceivably,
some authentic paranormality.

The real problem
is disentangling them.

[knocking]

[knocking]

- I saw you banging
on the floor, Janet.
- [Janet] I didn’t.

[Grosse] I saw you.

- I saw you bang.
- [Janet] I didn’t bang.

[Grosse] I saw you bang.

I didn’t bang.

I saw you bang.

You may not have
known you banged,

but I know you banged
’cause I saw you.

- All right?
- No, I’m not all right.

[Grosse] Control yourself.
Control yourself.

- I can’t control myself.
- [Grosse] Or control it.

Control it to stop you banging.

[Janet] I’m not gonna control.

- Huh?
- I’m not gonna control it.

- It’s not my fault.
- It is if you don’t control it.

I can’t!

Can’t what?

Can’t say.

[whispers] All right.

[Bill] Silly old sod.

[Bill through recorder]
Silly old sod.
Fucking old bastard.

[Grosse] I’ve often wondered
how many paranormal cases

have failed to be recognized

because the investigator
saw a childish prank?

[Grosse through recorder]
Did anybody touch
this tape recorder?

- [Janet] No.
- [Peggy] Nope.

[Grosse] I personally
would be surprised if
the children from time to time

had not attempted
to copy events.

[through recorder]
Will you all close your eyes

and go to sleep now, please.
Stop looking for things.

The more you look for things,
the more they’re gonna happen.

[Grosse]
Because they’re so boisterous
at the moment,

I’m ignoring
all present phenomena
as evidence.

[overlapping chatter,
through recorder]

[Roz] I was definitely,
um, on the alert.

I didn’t automatically
believe everything.

But then I didn’t
automatically dismiss it.

- [Grosse]
Did you just write this?
- [Bill] What?

[Roz] Janet used to say,
"it’s doing this,"
"it’s doing that."

- [Grosse] Did you just write it?
- You couldn’t tell

whether some of it
was coming from the conscious
or unconscious minds

of Janet and-and Margaret.
You just couldn’t tell.

[Janet muttering, sobbing]

[Peggy] What’s the matter?

[sobbing]

- [Peggy] Tell me.
- [breathing shakily]

[Janet]
I don’t wanna sleep in here.

Do you know why that is,
’cause she’s being watched.

[Janet] I wanna get out of here!

[cries]

[sobbing]
I wanna get out of here.

[Grosse] What’s the matter
with Janet?

[Peggy] She said she’s gonna
kill someone in a minute.

Excuse me, Janet.
Excuse me, Janet.
Come out, Janet.

As it happens,
there’s one knife
missing downstairs.

- Janet. [shushes]
- [Janet mutters]

[Grosse] I can’t hear
what you’re saying, darling.

No good talking like that.
Now, tell me what you’re saying.

[Janet]
I don’t wanna sleep in here.

Why not, Janet?

I’m being watched all the time.

Who’s watching you?

- [sobbing continues]
- Who’s watching you?

- [Janet] I will
fucking kill him.
- [Grosse shushes]

Here, stop swearing.

Janet, turn round
and let me look at you, come on.

Come on, get your head up.
Come on.

Nobody’s watching you
and nobody’s blaming you.

Goodness me, Janet,
you’ve known me long enough now.

Nobody’s blaming you at all.

Being where?

Now listen.
Well, because it’s using you,

you’re the only one who can try
and stop it doing this.
All right?

I’m trying to make it
so that it doesn’t worry
you all the time,

that’s what I’m trying to do.

And it’s a very hard job, Janet,
I’m trying to do.

I know it’s very nasty
for you as well.

It’s very nasty for your mum,
it’s very nasty for Margaret
and Billy.

Do you understand that?
I’m doing it to help you, Janet.

[clicks tongue]

[Janet through recorder]
Mom. [crying]

[Peggy] Christ!
What’s the matter?

[Peggy] What’s the matter?

[Janet] I can’t tell you.

- [crying continues]
- [child Margaret]
Sit down, sit down.

[Margaret] I remember
being very, very scared
for Janet, you know. [mumbles]

- [Janet] I can’t tell you!
- [child Margaret] Just tell us.

[child Janet crying,
speaks indistinctly]

When the things was happening,
I didn’t understand fully
what was going on.

And then we
had questions at school.

Children coming after Janet.

Some kids coming round the house
shouting outside the window.

Uh, pointing at us
in the streets,

some calling Janet possessed,
some calling me a witch.

"Ghosty, are you in there?"
and run off and all that.

I get very tearful over it,
even now and I get very upset.

- [interviewer]
There was nowhere--
- [gasps] To run.

’Cause inside you’ve...
[stammers] ...experienced
all this,

I wasn’t getting...

in my mind,
anywhere away from it.

[Peggy] Can you tell Mr. Grosse
what you actually saw, Janet?

You said you saw
a face on the wall.

[Grosse] Okay,
what sort of face?

A man’s face.

- [Grosse] Can you describe it?
- Yeah.

- He had gray hair.
- [Grosse] Yeah?

- And he was all wrinkled.
- Mmm.

And he had brown eyes.

Is it the sort of face
you’d seen before?
Have you seen him before?

No.

[Bill] Bill wants to come now.

Turn around.

[screams]

[Grosse] Try not
to be frightened by it.

- Some of the-- You have--
- I’m not frightened for myself.

No, you’re frightened for Janet,
and I appreciate that.

Myself. I’m more frightened
for Janet.

Margaret said
to me the other day,

and then she said there’s
something wrong with Janet.

She’s very peculiar lately.

Janet’s full of hate.

And this is her
when she’s on her own.
I’ll show you.

She never does it
when anyone’s here.

Continually.

Mrs. Hodgson is sitting
on the, uh, settee.

She’s rocking backwards
and forwards and rubbing
her hands round and round.

- This is Janet. She’s like this.
- Yes, I’ve seen Janet do that.

- I’ve seen Janet do that.
- Yeah.

[Peggy] She did say
to me the other week,

she said "this thing,
this thing"
she kept saying.

She knows there’s
something there.

[screams]

[Pincott] "In the evening
I went to Enfield

by the Piccadilly line
and 1-0-7 bus.

Maurice Grosse, Guy Playfair
and David Robertson were there.

The talking poltergeist,
in quotes, was much improved.
Very fluent."

[Pincott] Bill, can David--
David Robertson come in?
Can he come in?

[Bill groans] Yeah.

The girls were getting still
quite a lot of disturbances
at night,

being thrown out of bed,
that kind of thing.

[whispering indistinctly]

And the voice
was very strong at that time.

[Bill] David, come in.

Hello, Davey boy.

Hello.
- Hello.

Can I turn around to face you?

No, you’ll scare me.

I want you to tell me something.

Go on then.

[Bill] I wanna know
about periods for girls.

Would you like to talk
with someone else?

[Bill] No, you.
You’re a boy, you’ll know.

- When you earl-earlier on--
- Don’t change the subject!

I wanna talk about periods!

Being dirty,
why can’t you stop being dirty?

[Robertson] Do you want
to take over?
Come on, it’s all right.

- [Pincott] All right,
I will, if you want.
- Great.

[Janet]
He’s being a bit dirty now.

[Pincott]
Oh, so we heard it, yeah.

Why do girls have periods?

Let me see if I can explain.

You probably know that um,
inside little girls, uh--

Big girls.

Or big girls, yes.

There is a little egg
and it comes out--

Ou-out of a certain part
of the body.

And, um,
this happens every month.

And you can’t keep
these eggs there permanently
because they go stale.

So what you have to do
is to provide a new
one every month.

Does that help
about the periods?

Why...

Do...

[Hugh] Why do what?

Men...

[Robertson] Why do men what?

[Bill] Wear...

Those things?

What things?

What-What things?

[Pincott] What things, Bill?

Those things.

[Pincott]
What do they look like?

What do you mean clothes?

[Bill] No.

What then?

[Bill] Plastic things.

[Pincott] Plastic things?

[Bill] In bed with a woman.

Aah, yes. Well, that’s--
that’s fairly simple.

[Grosse] Is my tape going?
The one on the wall.

Yes. Righto.

[Pincott]
Don’t go away, will you?

We’ll do our best to answer.

[Blackmore] They were mostly men
who did these investigations.

And I think they didn’t take

enough account
of the psychology of children.

[Bill] How do girls have babies?

Now never mind about babies.
Will you forget about sex?

Is there anything
else you want to know?
There must be something else.

Well, I’ll tell you what,
I’ll ask you a question.

Bill? Bill, stop bouncing
on the bed, Bill.
Come on, Bill. Pack it up.

On the whole, women then,
especially talking
that long ago,

when-when most children
were looked after
mostly by their mothers,

and most mothers didn’t work,

and most women would have
been much more familiar
with ’kids play’

and why and what they’re like
and so on.

Pack it up. All right,
all right, all right, okay.

- Okay, Bill.
[speaks indistinctly]
- [Blackmore] And these were

well-educated male scientists
with very little experience
of young kids.

Not realizing that
that was relevant.

[Playfair] You know
that there are people

who consider that you
don’t exist at all,

you’re simply a fragment
of Janet’s subconscious.

What do you think
of that sort of theory?

[Bill] What do you mean?

Well, as we know,
people have a consciousness

and some people think
that people like you

are, in fact, part of the
consciousness of,
in this case, Janet.

Are you Janet?

[Janet] There was always
a feeling like,

before anything really
sort of surfaced properly,
I think, you know?

Yeah, looking back, yeah.

It was like there
was something there,
but you couldn’t explain it.

And I was at that age
where you’re just
finding yourself.

Mum and Dad had divorced.

I’d left primary school
and I was starting
secondary school.

And that is an unsettling time.

It is difficult to work out
who you are then.

And then when you were
at school, you think
"what am I going home to?

I don’t know where I wanna be."

You just feel so confused
in what’s gonna happen
when I do get home.

I felt used and possessed.

The voice was using me.

It was a feeling like
it was behind me.

And it was like a-a gruff--
Very gruff deep voice.

Horrible experience.

[child Janet screaming]

[Grosse] Janet,
tell me what’s the matter.

- [screaming, straining]
- [Peggy] Janet.

[Grosse]
Tell me what’s the matter.

- [Peggy] Janet?
- [Grosse] Listen to me.

- No, it’s only me,
it’s only me.
- [Peggy] Janet.

[Grosse] I think she’s angry.

[screaming, straining continues]

[Janet] Now when I saw--
Go over in my mind
the things that did happen,

it makes me go cold.

And it was like a-a force.

[Grosse] It’s all right,

[Peggy] We need a doctor.

[screaming]

[Margaret] Janet was totally
in a different place.
It was frightening.

- And one evening we
couldn’t get her back.
- [screaming, mumbles]

[Grosse] Yes?

[Janet] Get off me! [crying]

- Who-- Who do you want?
- Graham.

- Graham’s here. He’s here.
- [Janet breathing heavily,
whimpering]

[Morris]
She was thrashing about,
and she was gonna hurt herself.

[Peggy] Christ.

- [Morris shushes]
- Steady. Steady.

Steady on. Steady on.
There’s a good girl.
There’s a good girl.

[Margaret]
Maurice was doing
everything he could,

- and my mum was crying.
I was scared.
- [screams]

[Janet]

Yes, Daddy’s here.

[grunts, groans]

[Grosse]
I-- We’re here. We’re here.

We are-- I’m here.

[shushes]
[screaming]

All right, all right. Nobody’s--

Yes, yes.
All right, it’s all right.

Nobody’s hurting--
Nobody is hurting you,
Janet. Nobody is hurting you.

[Peggy] That’s the impression
she’s giving me.
That she’s being hurt.

[Morris] The doctor
was called and he ended up
giving her a tranquilizer

which he said
would knock out a horse.

[screaming] You’re hurting me.

You’re hurting me.
You’re hurting me. [crying]

I just remember the doctor
being there and giving her
this shot and it--

it didn’t work. It was horrible.

[Janet screams]

Yeah, she calmed down eventually.

[Janet crying]

[Grosse] All right.
Yes. All right.

[Grosse]
If anybody should ask me
if I was frightened

in the course
of my investigations,

I would definitely
say "yes" to this phenomenon
of apparent possession.

Especially when
it is accompanied
by a show of violence

that verges
on the self-destructive.

The first time I saw this
at Enfield, I was really scared.

Not for myself, but for what
might happen to that child.

[indistinct chattering]

[doctor] Who’s that--
Who’s that child--

[Grosse] It’s Janet.
Now, here you are.
Janet, Janet Hodgson.

[Morris] Later, I’m downstairs.
I heard a crash from upstairs.

First person in there
was John Burcombe, her uncle.

And there’s a big old radio.

And Janet is up
on top of the whole--
of the whole thing,

lying-lying across it.

Asleep or just coming round.

[Playfair]

- I mean he’s--
- [Janet] Maurice cared about us.

[Playfair]

[Janet] He did come
to try and help

but he probably never
experienced anything
on this scale before.

Everything had gone,
normality and normal life.

Because of what was happening.

That’s the only thing.
Well, I mean, you have
to make it-- [stammers]

Do-Do what we can
to try and stop it.

And if that fails,
the only way that
never fails is to--

is to split up, you know,
because then only one
of you can get it.

Um, I should think
probably it would be Janet.

[Peggy] She seems
to be more susceptible

because she was more
susceptible than Margaret
to begin with I think.

- Oh, much more.
- Definitely.

Yes, this just won’t stop.

We just have to use
drastic methods, you know?

It’s gonna be
a bit rough on everybody.

It gets a bit dicey.

It means separating
the family, you know.

It’s the only way.

[Peggy] I’ll be honest with you,

I don’t think this
is gonna stop.

I think it’s just gonna go on,
and on, and on.

We will have to separate
the children,
this is my opinion.

Yeah, but where do we go?

Well, if it won’t stop,
you would have to be taken
to a special home.

What sticks out in me mind now,
in my-my later years, is my mum.

She did what she could,
but it wasn’t easy for her.

Mum and Dad
weren’t together anymore.

The upset of me brother
Johnny going away to school.

Poor Johnny.

There was only a year
between me and him.

Mum would-wouldn’t really say
too much about the problem.

But I know he
was quite a handful

and I think they thought
it would be best
if he went away.

And then the family
s-sort of split up.

You know there was six of us
and then suddenly
there was, like,

just Mum and the three of us.

Now, you know,
she had to make a choice

for me to go
into a children’s home.

[Grosse] The time is now
ten past nine and this
is Peggy Nottingham.

And she’s just going
to tell about Mrs. Hodgson
coming into her house

this morning and how she felt.

She’s really gone through
a lot, ain’t she?

- [Grosse] Mmm.
- She really has.

And I think she’s
put up with a lot.

Too much for anyone.

She just sat there
and broke down.

And she said,
"I got up this morning

and I see some tablets
in the cupboard,
bottle of tablets,"

she said, "and I got hold
of them in me hand

and I thought of the children."

she said, otherwise,
she said, "If it hadn’t been
for my children,"

she said, "I would have
took the lot of them."

I always find it’s always
the bad things that stick
in your mind.

Strangest part about it,
I can always remember
the bad things

more than anything else.

Johnny going away was
the biggest heartbreak
of the lot,

I’ll never forget that day.

Ooh, you don’t know
what a wrench it is.

A seven-year-old child,
going away like that.

[stammers]
I can see him now on that coach.

I’ll never forget that.

I don’t know,
I never thought we’d
wind up like we are,

a really broken family.

[Janet] For me, it was like,

"Oh, my God,
where am I gonna land,
you know?"

"What’s going to happen to me?"

"Am I gonna be left alone
after this, you know?"

["This Angry Silence" playing]