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Would you like
to talk to me? Don’t forget.

One for no and two for yes.

284 Green Street.

Inexplicable events personally
experienced by Maurice Grosse.

One.

Marbles and plastic pieces
seen in high-speed transit.

And there was a chest of
drawers moving towards the door.

Two. A
chair in the bedroom...

A chair which was standing by
Janet’s bed appears to have moved.

I went up the stairs, and as I went
up the stairs, this knock followed me.

Banging on the side of
the walls and on the ceiling.

On the floor.

You know, I’m sure there’s something in
this house trying to kill her. I swear it.

We have got

some entities here.

And we shall have to
consider seriously the possibility

of matter other than normal,

sources of energy
other than normal,

and perhaps even creation ex
nihilo and a fourth dimension.

LBC on 261. Pass it on.

We’re talking about poltergeists

because rather a spooky
story about the family

who’s living in fear
of strange goings-on

that are driving
them from their home.

With me is Mr. Maurice Grosse.

And you’re at pains to mention that it’s not an
evil spirit, but do you believe in the fact...

I mean, I’m thinking of films like
The Exorcist where an evil spirit

can get into a child and make it
do the most extraordinary things.

Does that sort of thing happen?

Round about the 1970s,

there was a gradual buildup
of-of interest in these phenomena.

On the entertainment side, the
subject was becoming more topical.

Somewhere
between science and superstition,

there is another world.

The world of darkness.

It was The Exorcist
movie that’s directly related,

I suppose, in some
sense, to Enfield.

Something
beyond comprehension is happening

to a little girl on this
street, in this house.

No! Please,
don’t! No, please!

Do it!

I wouldn’t tell me wife
to go and see it anyway.

Well, I just found
it really horrible.

I just had to come out.
I couldn’t take anymore.

I believe. I believe.

But the mainstream
view was still

that these phenomena
couldn’t really be real.

Let’s go back to the calls.

We’re talking to the people who’ve
been suffering from these poltergeists.

Next on the line is
Hilda from Wandsworth.

When I came down the stairs,

I-I would be lifted
up and placed down.

I was absolutely
terrified to mention it to...

The milk bottle
lifted itself up and moved,

two or three yards to the settee
and stood straight up on the...

It’s quite possible
that, um, disasters such as

aircraft accidents
could be inspired

by subconsciously wanting
something to happen.

Interesting
call. Maurice Grosse is with us.

He’s a member of the
Society for Psychical Research.

We tried to
investigate it in scientific terms

as far as possible.

And my personal view is that it
won’t be very many years now

before people begin to accept
the paranormal as normal.

We’re only just touching
the tip of the iceberg.

What sort of a
case is this in your experience?

Well, I think this is probably
the best case this century.

In fact, as far as
documentation is concerned,

it may be the best
case of all time.

Fortunately,
we have tape recorders.

Now tape recorders for
the assessment of evidence

is the best instrument you can
possibly have because it is non-selective.

You don’t have to point it,
you don’t have to stay with it,

you turn it on and you leave it.

And whatever you pick up, you hope
you picked up what you were looking for.

The Society for Psychical
Research were interested in the possibility

that there might be evidence
for some new force of nature.

Crikey!

As I asked the question, "Are
you having a game with me?"

The SPR was a
wonderfully... very friendly,

but very fuddy-duddy
organization.

The vast majority of the people
there were elderly men interested

in finding evidence of the
paranormal, evidence of life after death,

evidence that spirits carry on.

When we talk about
assessment of evidence,

I’m now talking about the
assessment of real phenomena.

Not theoretical phenomena.
Real phenomena.

Because that’s what I
specialize in, the real stuff.

- Maurice was...
- absolutely committed.

He really wanted people
to... to know.

You might imagine
there are lots of poltergeists around,

but there aren’t that many.

And when one comes up that
lasts more than a couple of days

and has things that
can potentially be tested,

people rushed off there.

From the SPR’s point of
view, was this a genuine case?

November 1977.

Visit by Tony
Cornell, Alan Gauld,

and Bernard Carr, of the SPR.

I’m not particularly
psychically sensitive,

so I’m not like a medium
that would go into a building

and immediately feel,"
there’s something... something here."

I wasn’t even an experienced
investigator of poltergeists.

I was very young.
I was just a... a beginner.

On the other hand, Tony
Cornell and Alan Gauld

were the most experienced ghost
hunters, if you like, in the world.

Yes, you come up, boys.

As time went on, you
got this complete thoroughfare

of people coming to your home.

You got lots
of people judging you.

Questioning you.
Criticizing you, maybe.

"Well, you didn’t see that."
"How did that happen?"

"You sure that
happened?" Questioning.

That’s gonna be
wearing on anybody.

Right.

What’s happened then?

The... The pillow
just jumped over me.

Janet was laying...

Now how did that... While
you were watching how did the pillow go?

Well, Janet moved, and
the pillow shot right over.

- Like this?
- Yes.

- This?
- Yes.

- We’ll just go outside again...
- Yes.

And listen and see what happens.

During the time I was there
with Tony and Alan, we did hear bumps.

The children were-were falling out of
bed and things were moving around,

but only when none of
us were in-in the room

where the phenomena
were occurring.

And so, we couldn’t be sure
from... from... from the evening

we spent there, that it
wasn’t just the children.

Most of the senior members
of the society were academics.

In the opinion of
many, only academics

were thought capable of carrying
out a decent, impartial investigation.

The academics were
old money, if you like.

Maurice and Guy were, as
they called it in those days, trade.

The establishment
acts like three wise monkeys,

"I see nothing, I hear
nothing, I say nothing."

This time it’s
hit the light very hard,

and the light’s gone out.

The reason Dad got involved

with the Society for
Psychical Research

was because it was the
only scientific institution

that... that was trying to
look into these phenomena.

Dad was always very
interested in science,

that’s the career
he wanted to follow.

And then, of course, the war
took away six very important years.

He was 20 when he joined up.

He was at Dunkirk.

He never really spoke about
what happened in the war.

And when he came out, he went to work
in one of his father’s confectioner shops.

He managed to escape that life.

By chance, he and two
friends won the pools.

£3,000 each.

In the mid-1960s,
it was a lot of money.

Enough for him to get out
of the shop and start his own business.

And that’s what he did.

The dream of all
poster advertisers

is to be able to sell one
space more than once.

He created a poster
advertising machine.

You could have 32
posters in this one box.

He’s no fool.

My opinion is that,

if this was anything other
than a paranormal investigation,

the verdict would be overwhelmingly
in favor of activities of forces unknown.

And as this is a
paranormal investigation,

we must press on for 101% proof.

Well, blow it out, blow ’em out.

- I saw that go.
- What was that?

- I believe the kettle.
- It’s started.

- I’ll wash out the kettle.
- Enfield, November the 10th, 1977.

It’s the... -
Now the chair gone over.

The red chair has
turned over backwards.

Yeah, she-she was...
She was like this on it.

- Like that over it.
- Janet was sit... Janet was sitting on it

at the time it was
thrown over backwards.

I’ll sort it out.

Janet was sitting on the chair,

and the chair moved
across the room.

St-Steady on.
Steady on. Calm down.

And her feet did
not touch the ground.

And she was really,
um, screaming.

It was really scary
but unexplained.

It just threw Janet off
the chair, absolutely in front of me,

and I saw her go
flying off the chair.

At the moment, the people in
the room are Mrs. Nottingham,

Margaret, Janet, Mrs.
Hodgson, Billy, Paul, and myself.

And it’s activating like mad.

It just tipped over the settee

in front of us all
in the room here.

Christ. Come on.

Let’s all calm down, shall we?

It’s so easy for someone
who’s not experienced it

or seen it to say,
"It’s not real."

You... You, particularly. I
want you to calm down, right?

Listen, whatever you are,
we’re not frightened of you.

We’re gonna keep on putting everything
straight every time you do anything.

Well, it’s definitely
worse. It’s the worst I’ve ever seen.

I’ve never...

- No.
- I’ve never seen anything like it.

We have tried
everything in our power

to stop the phenomena
but to no avail.

The situations we are encountering
simply cannot be explained

when referred to the
accepted laws of physics.

At the time of the Enfield case,

physicists, people
like John Hasted

started getting interested
in the phenomena.

At least a few
physicists began to think,

"Well, maybe some of
these anomalous interactions

involving mind and
the physical world,

maybe they can be
described by physics after all."

John Hasted
was Professor of Physics

at Birkbeck College in
the University of London.

I’m Hasted, physicist.

I work on these things,
and I can speak as a person

who thinks that many of these
effects are well on the way to validation.

I think it is going to be absolutely
central in the next 20, 30 years.

Professor Hasted, like
me, wanted to know,

actually, what was going
on, what the physics was.

What is the nature
of physical reality?

That was our key
driving motivation.

John Hasted sprang
on the psychical research scene

with the appearance
of the metal-benders.

So, the camera will
see that, um, there...

- You can see that there’s no pressure.
- None whatsoever.

And I’m doing it on the thin side
of the fork, that if it bends it will...

In the early 1970s,

Uri Geller had
surprised audiences

all around the world with
his paranormal metal bending.

Do you feel anything in yours,

under your fingers,
happening now?

- Wait.
- What’s happening?

I already feel something.

You can feel
it in your fingertips, can you?

Well, I can feel the
metal cracking slowly.

- Well. There it is.
- There it is.

- It’s over there.
- Where is it?

The effect was very dramatic.

I mean, that led
people like John Hasted

and other physicists
to start to investigate.

Not bad. Not bad.

He thought that if
bending metal by the power of the mind

was possible... if
there is any telepathy,

clairvoyance, psychokinesis,
precognition, poltergeist,

any of these things... that
would be dramatic alteration in...

In our understanding of physics.

And I think that’s
what he was expecting

and hoping to find with
the Enfield poltergeist.

Now the other one.

Janet is clearly the epicenter.

Does her mind have
powers we have overlooked?

It was three days ago since Uri

was on Monday’s Blue Peter
and calls are still coming in

from people about strange
things that have been happening

to their knives,
forks and spoons.

We’ve got some people with us today
in the studio with some unusual spoons

and forks that, strange
things have happened to,

like Allison down
there at the end.

What have you got there,
love? You’ve got the fork?

Um, what’s happening
after the program...

Hasted asked whether
I could go up to the house to, um,

be an extra hand to
assist with the case.

Come in, David.

We’re in the living
room now, in 284.

Most people do not
have experience of the paranormal.

It’s very rare.

What, something
like one in a million

can actually do physical things.

The other 999,000 have
got no experience of it at all.

So, what reason have they got
to believe that it actually exists?

We took up a strain gauge that
was attached to a metal spoon,

then that goes to amplifiers...

and then the amplifiers
go to a chart recorder.

It’s basically
measuring any bending.

Small changes in
length of the metal.

What you do is encourage
her to bend the metal.

This went on for
about 20, 25 minutes.

The signals built
up in strength.

The sensor actually physically bent...

then finally broke
without any touch.

Janet could produce the
signals more or less on command.

My impression was that
she was sort of mentally

in touch with what was happening

with some of the
physical phenomena.

It was sort of responsive
to her internal state.

Can the subconscious mind

actively affect its
physical surroundings?

Throw things about?

Bend metal?

Is the mind just a product
of the biology of the brain?

Or is it a quite
separate spiritual entity?

How does
mind fit in a world of matter?

That is the question I think
has threaded all through this.

I think I have studied and
listened to practically every theory

that’s been put forward
over the last century.

But I do not find any
of them very convincing.

My father was a
thinker, something of a philosopher.

He was always interested

in the infinitely small,
the infinitely large.

For example, he created a box
which was only an inch-and-a-half thick,

and you would look into this
box, and you would see into infinity.

It’s a mirror within a
mirror within a mirror within a mirror.

Going back and back and
back and back and back forever.

Just suppose the mind
could control matter.

The implications
would be tremendous.

Imagine if you could explode
an enemy’s atom bombs

merely by concentrating
on the trigger mechanism.

So, some scientists have
taken this subject seriously.

They’ve devised ingenious
experiments to find the truth.

Janet seemed to
be the center of everything.

There’s this force that’s following
her around and doing all this stuff.

And I was sort of thinking, well,
something has to be done definitively

to photograph whatever’s
happening in that house.

A lot of the photographs I
was taking were quite mundane.

I wanted to get the thing moving,
flying, falling over, whatever.

It was almost as if whatever this
thing was was outsmarting you.

You just had to try
and get one step ahead,

but you never did.

I liken this to a game of chess,

where the poltergeist makes a
move, and we make a countermove.

The essence of the phenomena
is a mischievousness.

One night, I set up the
cameras in the corner of the room.

I’m downstairs,

we’re listening to a live
feed on a tape recorder.

And I’ve got a 25-meter cable

that I can hit and
trigger the camera.

Suddenly we heard...

and I’m thinking,
"What the fuck was that?"

I hit the button and taken
a sequence of pictures.

Janet!

Where is she?

It was only by
processing these the following day

that we...
got to realize

the true extent of... of
what was happening.

Where she was actually
flying across the room

and crashing down
just inside the door.

You could see that Janet has
come from prone in the bed,

covered up, to upright.

The thing just runs
six frames a second.

So, when the
pictures were taken,

they were at least a sixth of a
second between... between each frame.

There’s not one picture
of her climbing up

or moving the covers down
to get her legs out, or anything.

She’s gone from that to
that in a sixth of a second.

All I know is I triggered the camera
remotely when I heard the noise.

I wasn’t in the room at
the time. I didn’t see it.

As to what it is, I’ve
absolutely no idea.

Just have to let the pictures
speak for themselves.

Time, ten minutes
past 1:00, 3rd of December.

This time, Janet was thrown
right out of the room, onto the stairs.

- Try and explain to me what happened. Yeah.
- I was in bed, lying down.

And my arms went up like this.

So, then I felt
something pull my arm.

- And I was pulled out of bed...
- You were pulled up by your arms.

- dragged over there, and fe... -
You were dragged along the floor?

- Yeah, and I was lifting... No.
- What, running? Were you running?

- How were you going?
- Dragged.

Dragged. Yeah. To
where? To where?

- Like this. Like-Like this.
- Dragged out.

She’s showing being pulled
forward with her hands together.

It was getting to the point
where they felt it was out of control.

They couldn’t really handle it.

This evening I visited
Professor Hasted for advice.

Although it is very rare for
any person to be seriously hurt

from poltergeist incidents,

I’m concerned that there
could be an accident.

Hasted asked me to
try and find ways to help the family.

The poltergeist
case is a situation

where this particular mental
state becomes intense.

Hasted suggested that it
can actually break through

into something beyond
our physical reality,

and... the energy
from it manifests in a physical way.

- Interview with David Robertson.
- Okay.

Um, yesterday morning I took
Janet up to the top bedroom

where lots of phenomena
appeared to happen.

What’s happened there?

The window!

She described
how she was floating about the room.

She’s still going.

I could hear moving, but I
was outside the room, of course.

What’s happening now?

- I can’t get in.
- There’s a...

A really strong force pushing the door.

Of course, all this time, there
had been a group of people outside

who have actually witnessed
what was happening.

Some of the people outside the house
witnessed Janet levitating horizontally,

up in front of the window,

and the curtains were
billowing into the room.

Following is an
interview with Mrs. Hazel Short

the woman who looks
after crossing of the children.

And that was
followed by a pillow.

Then I see young Janet.

And I could see her
going up and down,

up and down in
front of the window.

She was curved,
as though somebody...

- Picking her up?
- Yeah.

So she was actually
curved. So...

Well, that’s what she looked
like to me ’cause she could...

Remember, I was
standing down here, looking up.

The following
is a statement made to me

by Mr. John Rainbow,
tradesman of Chatsworth Drive,

Enfield, Middlesex.

These are paranormal things

that are happening
in the neighborhood.

There are actual independent
witnesses who saw physical phenomena.

This is evidence not just seen

by people involved in
the case, but by outsiders.

And it all begins
to tie together.

Consider the idea

that we actually exist
in various dimensions.

Perhaps thousands,
millions of dimensions.

I’m beginning to wonder if we live
in many worlds at the same time.

Well, we would have
to conceive of people’s minds

being able to have contact
with these other dimensions.

Because if all of us

believe only in
three dimensions,

then we’ll never see
anything extraordinary.

But once we have contact and
can persuade other minds also

to see this other
parallel universe...

it may just be a
very good formulation

for movement and
disappearance of atoms.

If people
could really spirit objects

merely by thinking about
them, surely, by this time,

spies and bank robbers
would’ve perfected the technique.

Yet if there’s one
thing we’ve learned,

nature never cheats,
but some people do.

They bend the evidence, and that’s
something that scientists often forget.

And there’s no heat
at all. Just touch it.

Saturday, December the 10th.

I arrived at 284 at 7:05 p.m.
to be greeted by whistling.

I... I might be... the trajectory.

This whistling, that’s going
on now, is paranormal whistling.

Absolutely nobody
here is whistling at all.

Billy can’t whistle and
neither can Margaret.

I was 25
years old, a young lawyer.

And before I went off
to work in the morning,

I would come down to breakfast and
my mother and father would be there.

And my father, every
morning, would delight

in telling me what had
happened the night before.

And I went through day
after day of banging’s,

and knocking’s, and screaming,

and shouting, and
things happening.

Time is 10:17.

If there’s any entity
here, you’re welcome.

Please talk directly
into the microphone.

You’re welcome. Please talk
directly into the microphone.

If you cannot do that,
please knock on the table

or make any other
appropriate noise.

He kept on badgering
me. "Why don’t you come?

Why aren’t you interested in coming
to the house to see what’s happening?"

I said, "Dad, I’m
really not interested."

I was what you would
call a complete skeptic.

Then I made a concession to him.

I said, "Look, Dad, if
this thing ever talks,

and can talk to me, I will go."

So one morning, he triumphantly
switched on the tape recorder,

and he said to
me, "Listen to this."

Time is 24
minutes past 10:00.

Saturday, December the 10th.

Right, are we all in bed?

Yes, we are all in bed.

Blimey.

Where’d that noise come from?

By the wall.

Where about?

Where Janet’s sleeping.

Under Janet’s bed.

Yeah.

Seems to be saying it to me.

Where’d that come from?

Over there. Near
your tape recorder.

- Near the tape recorder?
- What it sounded like to me.

From that side of
the room, definitely.

All right, so it didn’t
go anywhere near Janet?

- No.
- Right then.

That last noise...

That bark came
well away from Janet.

At least six foot
away from Janet,

and six foot away from Margaret.

Ooh, I don’t like that noise.

Come on. You whistle. You can bark.
You can speak. I want to hear you speak.

No, come on, you can do
better than barking like a dog.

I want to hear you speak.

Let’s have a name.
Somebody’s name.

Anybody here.

See if you can say
my name, "Maurice."

Maurice!

Is that it?

Come on. Try "Maurice."

Maurice!

I heard this sound.

It went, "Maurice!"
Just like that. "Maurice!"

Try again.

- Grosse!
- It said, "Grosse."

Did it say, "Grosse"?

Grosse!

It spoke.

Now... Now can
you tell me your name?

Tell me what your name is.

I’m Bill.

- Bill.
- Bill?

- I’m getting...
- Scared?

Have you got another name?

Wilkinson.

"Wilkinson."

Now, I’m going to ask
you another question.

Did you die in this house?

Yes!

I was dumbstruck.

And I said to him, "Okay,
Dad. I’ll... I’ll go."

I arrived at this
house in Enfield.

I was then invited
to go upstairs.

The door to the
room was slightly ajar.

I thought to myself,

"I’m gonna look through at Janet

and see what she’s up to."

And as soon as that thought had
gone into my head, the voice said...

Shut the fucking door!

Read my mind.

And then it said to
me, "You can come in,

but you must stand by the
wall and look at the wall."

I’m Bill Wilkinson...

and I died 15 years ago.

I come from Durants
Park graveyard.

I have come
here to see my family.

And I thought,
"I’m having a conversation

with a discarnate
voice, which is strange,

but I suppose it behooves me as a
lawyer to ask him some questions."

Bill?

I want you to tell me

whether you... you remember what
happened to you when you died.

I had an hemorrhage,
and I fell asleep,

and I died in a chair
in a corner downstairs.

And what do you make of that?

Um, that I witnessed
and spoke to a ghost.

- Your name?
- Shut up.

- No, your name?
- Shut up, you. Shut up.

Yeah.

Get out of here, you...

It’s not the children.
It’s too quick. It’s too sharp.

It just doesn’t fit.

There’s a certain change
of tone, from normal tone to this voice.

I come to see my wife
but then she weren’t here...

Though it
appears to come from Janet,

and sometimes Margaret...

when we listen to our
recordings over and over again...

I get the strong impression

that there is another
personality at work.

I don’t know.

I’m doing exercises
on Janet’s bed.

When you hear the voice, and
it comes out, where does it come from?

- Here, your throat?
- No.

- Where do you feel it comes from?
- Back of the neck.

The back of the neck.

And so, it must be as if
it’s somebody else speaking then

- when you hear it?
- Yeah. Behind us.

And do you get the
feeling, when you hear the voice,

that there is a person there?

Yes.

- Yeah.
- Is that the voice now?

Yeah.

Is anybody there?

- Nothing. No.
- No.

It doesn’t always
do it to order.

No, it doesn’t. It
goes in spasms.

Like, we’re talking now. It may
not now, after you’ve said that,

but it won’t do it
when you want it to.

Is anybody there?

Who’s there?

Ghost-chaser’s here.

Tell me about that.

Professor John Hasted

and David Robinson
recorded the voice

on a special thing called a laryngograph.

They found that the
voices were produced

not in the normal way
as we are talking now,

but... from what
are called the false vocals folds

which are a...
bit further up from the larynx.

They discovered that...
these voices were not produced normally.

Janet used to say, "It’s
doing this. It’s doing that."

Something was using her.

I can go on for blinking hours.

Don’t you ever
get a sore throat, Janet?

- No. Yeah.
- Sure?

You never get
pain in the back of the neck

- or something?
- No.

To keep up this particular type
of voice for any length of time

without damage to the vocal
cords is absolutely impossible.

I mean, there must be some
hoarseness attached to it.

But don’t forget, these children don’t
do this for a couple of minutes or so.

They do it for lengths of
periods up to three hours.

And without any hoarseness
or sore throats whatsoever.

What we have
done is amass good evidence

for activity that has no known
physical or psychological explanation.

We now have irrefutable proof
that the majority of the manifestations

encountered are of a nature not
explicable by orthodox science.

The international conference
at Cambridge on the Enfield poltergeist,

presented by Maurice
Grosse and Guy Playfair.

And it was an
excellent presentation,

followed by much
discussion and controversy.

Now, Mr. Grosse
is going to speak first.

Can you hear
all right, by the way?

Can you all hear? Yes? Good.

I’m Maurice Grosse, and my
colleague below is Guy Lyon Playfair.

The annual
SPR conferences were great.

I went to every one for a
couple of decades, at least.

is to
give a brief, brief...

And the Enfield poltergeist,
of course, was...

you know, for a few
years, w-was-was big deal.

On December the 10th, one of
the girls began to speak in a voice

resembling that of an old man.

Each of us subsequently
recorded many hours

of what we tentatively
term, "automatic speech."

Now...
Now, can you tell me your name?

Tell me what your name is.

I’m Bill.

Do you know you’re dead?

Shut up!

Now, tell me, what are
you doing here, and why are you here?

Shall I tell
you really who I am?

I must remind you
that’s an 11-year-old girl.

Yes, I’d...

I wasn’t so
impressed with the voices...

because, I mean, it was a deep voice.

It wasn’t the normal
voice of Janet, for example,

but it wasn’t clear to me that Janet
couldn’t be producing the voice.

Grosse and Playfair
were convinced this was the...

You know, the
case of the century.

Some of the members of the
SPR w-were rather skeptical.

I’d like to answer that one.

We are observers and we are
presenting facts the only way we know.

And we believe this
is the first time ever

that a poltergeist case has
been in-investigated in such depth.

I’ve got my diary, and it says,

"The symposium was
boring. What a shambles.

Tapes of little girls
woofing et cetera, et cetera.

A quick drink and then back to think
about my own paper for tomorrow."

I’m afraid it didn’t make very
much impression on me.

In this case, we
have 1500, at least, episodes.

And I myself... I
will stick my chin out

and say 1490 of them cannot
be called into question at all

unless somebody is
prepared to stand up

and call us either fools
or liars. That’s is all.

It is very interesting in
that clip that Maurice says,

"Are you calling us
either fools or liars."

As far as he’s concerned,
those are the only options.

The real point is you
need investigators

who are going to ask
pertinent questions.

And that’s what
Anita brought to it.

First of all, I think
it’s very, very difficult

to be neutral about
a case like this.

I find it very difficult.

I can’t say, but
I share a feeling

of our very devoted
investigators.

I always got
on really well with Anita.

She had
an interest in psychology.

She had interests in all sorts of
things. But she was very open-minded.

So, look, for instance,
the little dialogue we heard

between Maurice
and whatever it was.

It was an element
of a game in this.

I feel that the investigators,
the subjects, that family

all play a part in somehow
creating this situation.

I have continually challenged
everybody to tell me

how this girl does it if
she does do it deliberately.

And nobody, nobody has been
able to come up with an answer.

I’d like to say,
as Maurice just said

that we are interested
in the genuine stuff,

and some of you simply must accept
the possibility that the phenomenon

for which this society was
founded do actually exist.

- We do.
- Now, if that changes your...

Well, it could be challenged.

Yes, couldn’t we?
I’m sick of it. Yeah.

stop it.
Anyway, we are running out of time.

And...

Anita undoubtedly brought

the kind of psychology
that would be

much more common
nowadays, but then, you know,

she w... she was quite
pioneering in a way.

And saying, "We’ve got to
understand what’s going on in the family,

what’s going on in the
minds of these kids."

And so we are faced with
the big problem of psychic research.

How do we convince the skeptic?

The answer may
be that the only way

people can be
thoroughly persuaded

of the existence of phenomena

is to experience the
activity themselves.

This is a surprise.

Hello.

Hi. How are ya?

Be quiet now.

Hello. - Nice to be here.

This is Mrs. Hodgson...

and Anita Gregory.

"So Tuesday the
20th of December, 1977,

in the evening,
I went to Enfield.

Anita Gregory came,

and events took a
very interesting turn."

Right. Now let’s go
from where we were before.

We know what your name is now.

Tell me something
about yourself.

Anita was a
lecturer in psychology.

Come on, you can talk now.

Bill.

She was the ultimate academic.

My name’s Anita Gregory.

I’m interested in you.

What do you want?

What do you want?
Tell us what you want.

Do you want me to go out?

Are you frightened of me?

No.

Tell me how you are.

Fuck off.

Well, that’s very
good, that’s splendid,

but you haven’t
told me how you are.

You’ve told me where to go,

but you haven’t
told me how you are.

Tell me how you are.
I really want to know.

Shit off!

Didn’t catch that. Say
it again. More distinctly.

Now you’re doing very well.

Say it a bit more
clearly, please.

You tell me how you are. I
really want to know how you are.

How you’re feeling. I want to
know what it feels like to be you.

Shit you!

Really must say
good night now. Bye-bye.

- Okay.
- Bye-bye.

When we went outside,

Anita gave me a
look. Disbelieving look.

"Do you really believe that?"

Friday, December the 23rd.

Arrived at 7:50 p.m.
and was told that both

the goldfish died at the
same time this afternoon.

- My God!
- My...

I came to torment you.

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