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It's an old home with a lot of history.
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I just see a lot of dead
bodies all over the place.
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It was like terror just
kind of took over my body.
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Whoa. (Bleep)
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I got, like, pushed out, and it scared me.
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I was pretty skeptical, but not
now, not after that experience.
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I'm scared to death of
what may happen next.
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She's a bad girl.
Like, she likes to scare people.
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Men lost their lives.
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Some of them were literally incinerated.
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Oh, it was a terrible way to go.
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His head was cracked.
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There's something down there.
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My name.. Is Amy Allan.
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A lot of dead people are here.
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I see dead people.
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This is not good.
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I speak to dead people..
He is very pissed off.
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And they speak to me.
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The house is angry.
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But there's only way to know
if my findings are real.
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He's killed people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Dischiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide Detective.
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He got shot at his house?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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Aren't you terrified, being here?
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It's my job to reveal 'em.
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That sounds like something
out of "The Exorcist."
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But Steve and I never speak..
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We never communicate
during an investigation..
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Until the very end.. It's bad.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay..
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I'd like some answers.
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Or time to get out.
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Amy and I never cross paths
during our investigations.
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I dig into the property's history,
uncovering secrets from its past.
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After we're done, we meet with our
clients and give them answers.
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But we never know if we'll
deliver good news or bad.
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Population.. 856, and that's including me.
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A woman named Debbie called us in because
of some disturbing things happening
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at the Mackay Mansion, where she works.
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This mansion's been turned into a museum,
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and several visitors have run out
of there completely terrified.
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Debbie thinks she may be
crazy for sticking around.
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She's pretty shaken up, and she's
hoping we can find her some answers.
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Before Amy enters a location,
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I clear it of anything that
could be leading information.
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This museum has a lot of photographs.
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So it's important that I remove them all..
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To avoid influencing Amy during her walk.
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There's a fire.
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Somebody help me.
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Okay.
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There's a lot of dead people here.
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So I'd say that this town
is pretty freaking active.
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As soon as I arrived, dozens
of dead people surrounded me,
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all wanting to share their stories.
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I just see a lot of dead
bodies all over the place.
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It's really bad.
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So, Debbie, what's going on here
that you needed to call us in?
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Well, I'm a tour guide, and we seem
to be having some unusual activity
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happening here.
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And it's getting more and more frequent.
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We're hearing things, we're
seeing things, object are moving,
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and it really scares me.
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What exactly is the Mackay Mansion?
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Well, the Mackay Mansion was where
John Mackay had his mining office.
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He made quite a bit of money
up here during his day.
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And this was where all his
businesses took place.
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- And now it's a museum.
- Yes.
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Why are you staying?
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I love this too much.
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And how often in life do you
find a job that you love to do?
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Are you concerned for your safety?
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Yeah, because I don't know who or
what it may be, what it wants, and..
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And it just makes you feel like it..
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What it wants isn't gonna be good.
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Wait a minute.
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There's a little girl..
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Who runs around the place.
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She's got long brown hair, it's
curled and put up with a bow,
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brown eyes, chubby little face.
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I want to say like 7, but,
uh, she's got problems.
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So, Debbie, what's going on in here?
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Well, a lot of people have reported seeing
the spirit of a little girl up here.
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So one night, some friends and I
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decided to come in here and
make contact with her,
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let her know that we know she's here.
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I just kind of said, "you
know, if you're here,"
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"can you give us some kind of sign?"
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And this toy box right here, the lid,
all of a sudden comes falling down.
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This blanket that's right
here starts going up and over
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this guy's shoulder, all on its own.
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He's sitting right in front of the toy box.
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I mean, this is heavy.
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It is.
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And this got pulled up?
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The blanket started coming out.
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I don't know. I think I would've been
outta here in a New York minute.
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I don't think I would've stuck around.
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The little girl's running around, laughing.
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"Ha ha."
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"Hee hee hee hee hee."
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She likes to jump on things.
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She likes to hide in things.
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She's a little rascal.
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People would get nervous from this.
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So do people experience her doing things?
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I would think that they would.
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If you're in bed, you might feel
her, like, crawl on the bed.
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She's in the wardrobe,
and you hear little..
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Tick.. Tick.. Tick..
Tick.. Tick..
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She's bad.
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So, Debbie, what have you
experienced down here?
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I was on a tour, and all of a sudden,
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this shadowy figure just
appeared by the gazebo.
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And..
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It had, like, these glowing eyes.
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It was like terror just kind of took
over my body, and I.. I couldn't move.
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Now have you seen him close?
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Yes.
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Every time it's been seen now, it's
coming closer and closer to the house.
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Oh, there's a big old guy..
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A pretty tall dude.
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Uh, you know, he likes to kinda
freak people out, you know?
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I'm seeing a large dead man
moving within the shadows.
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It feels like he's stalking me,
like he's waiting to attack,
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and I know I'm not the first
person he's done this to.
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Big guy is not so nice.
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Like, evil.
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Probably just looks like a
big, dark, scary thing.
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He works really hard at.. At being seen.
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I don't like this place.
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I don't like it all.
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There's a big old guy..
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Which probably just looks like a big,
dark scary thing, maybe, to most people.
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He likes to freak people out, you know?
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Debbie's told me all
about the bizarre things
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that she's been seeing
at the Mackay Mansion.
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But I can't hang the entire
case on a single eyewitness.
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So I'm going to meet with a woman who
allegedly had a terrifying experience
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while taking a tour at the mansion.
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So, Valerie, when did
you take the tour here?
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I took the tour six months ago.
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What happened on the tour?
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We started to walk, and I was
the last one in the back.
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All of a sudden, I hear what
sounded like footsteps.
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And I just happened to glance
over, and I saw this..
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Tall shadow.. Man.
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And he stopped.
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Turned around and looked at me with
these evil-looking, glowing eyes.
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Did he.. Did he say anything?
Did you hear anything?
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He didn't say anything.
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He just glared me down with these eyes.
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Valerie, after this thing
disappeared, what did you do?
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I dropped to my knees and started crying.
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I was very hysterical and very scared.
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I had nightmares.
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It made me wake up every hour..
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Every night. And I couldn't sleep.
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I want to face my fears,
but at the same time,
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I'm scared to death of
what may happen next.
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What he might do next.
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- You okay?
- Yeah.
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What's going on?
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I felt like a.. Impact.
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Somebody shoving, pushing.
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Okay.
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Something about..
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The ground.
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Because it absorbed a lot of death.
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Mm.
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This is really, really bad.
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Both Debbie and Valerie
have seen a shadow figure
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stalking the grounds of the Mackay Mansion.
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Now I'm on my way to speak
with a third witness
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who says he had a similar encounter.
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So, Tom, when did you take Debbie's tour?
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Uh, it was back in, uh, I
would say November of 2009.
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Okay, what happened on that tour?
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Down by the gazebo there,
I saw a shadow figure.
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So I kind of hung back, you know,
seeing if I could see it again.
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And then all of a sudden, it
felt like I was covered in lead.
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You know, just heavy, you know?
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And, um, trying to move,
and I just couldn't.
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At that point, I was panicking pretty good.
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And I said to it, you know, "let me go,"
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you know, "talk to me or let me go,"
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and it was like a.. Like a light
breeze, it just lifted off of me.
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So I was pretty skeptical, you
know, then, but, uh, not now.
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Not after that experience.
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Whoa. (Bleep)
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(Bleep)
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What's wrong?
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I don't like that room.
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What's wrong with the room?
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It's, like, very dangerous.
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It was, like, I walked
in, and it felt like..
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I got, like, pushed out.
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And there was like this..
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Wall of, like..
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Like a wall of darkness.
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And then I just felt like
I was being pushed out.
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And it scared me.
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I gotta start digging deeper
into the Mackay Mansion's past.
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Especially about the man
who built it, John Mackay.
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And in a town this small, the best place
to start is with a local historian.
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As you know, I'm investigating the
Mackay Mansion in Virginia City.
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Yes.
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What I don't know a lot about
is Virginia City itself.
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By 1859, we had thousands
of people coming in
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with this discovery of gold and silver.
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People from around the world were rushing
over here to make their fortunes.
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Mining's dangerous today.
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How was it then?
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Were there any tragedies
close to the Mackay Mansion?
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Um, there were.
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Um, the.. The way the..
The town is, all the mines are underneath.
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The worst one is the
Yellowjacket Mine fire.
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That was 1868.
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The firemen were trying to save people,
but because of the heat and the smoke,
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ultimately, had to, uh, close off the..
The mine shafts.
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38 people actually died.
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There's like 40 guys.
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They're in a group. They're..
They're panicked.
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Do you know why?
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I think it's work related.
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What can you tell me about John Mackay?
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Well, he was an Irish immigrant who
came to America in the early 1840s.
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Uh, he was broke and had to work
in the mines at $4, um, a day,
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and became one of the
wealthiest men in the world.
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What can you tell me about Mackay's family?
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His wife Louise, her first
husband, he was a dentist,
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but by 1863, he died from an overdose.
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And so left her alone
with a small daughter.
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So how'd she wind up with Mackay?
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His mining partner introduced 'em.
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Okay, and at some point, they must
have lived in the mansion together?
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Yes, and he adopted her, uh, 4-
or 5-year-old daughter that, um,
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had a disability.
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She had to wear braces on her legs.
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Um, but he was wonderful and..
And treated her as his own.
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There's a little girl.
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The same girl as before.
248
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She's a bad girl.
249
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Like, she likes to scare people.
250
00:16:04,396 --> 00:16:05,883
I guess she's just playing?
251
00:16:05,884 --> 00:16:07,914
Uh.. Yeah.
252
00:16:07,915 --> 00:16:13,815
I mean, she is just playing, but
she's out of control, you know?
253
00:16:14,338 --> 00:16:18,358
She looks healthy, but she wasn't.
254
00:16:20,601 --> 00:16:23,122
So when she meets, uh, John
Mackay, he's not wealthy.
255
00:16:23,123 --> 00:16:26,885
But she was accustomed to, I guess, a
lifestyle of living with a Doctor.
256
00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:29,831
She definitely always felt
that she deserved a..
257
00:16:29,832 --> 00:16:31,845
A decent, uh, lifestyle.
258
00:16:31,846 --> 00:16:33,931
She enjoyed the finer things.
259
00:16:33,932 --> 00:16:38,129
So she wanted to live in the big city
and not in a remote mining town.
260
00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:39,551
- Yes.
- You know, what you're telling me,
261
00:16:39,552 --> 00:16:41,943
I'm curious, what kind of
a marriage did they have?
262
00:16:41,944 --> 00:16:43,629
They wanted different things.
263
00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:45,904
He was a miner, and you can
tell that he loved her,
264
00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:49,057
but she just felt that this
was not the town to be in.
265
00:16:49,058 --> 00:16:52,958
So she decided to move to Paris.
266
00:16:54,144 --> 00:16:56,127
Lots of yelling here.
267
00:16:56,128 --> 00:16:57,753
A lot of yelling.
268
00:16:57,754 --> 00:17:02,434
And it's between a woman and a man mostly.
269
00:17:03,555 --> 00:17:04,639
What about the man?
270
00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,840
What is his relationship to her?
271
00:17:07,841 --> 00:17:10,541
They're married.
272
00:17:14,861 --> 00:17:17,436
A lot of hatred.
273
00:17:17,437 --> 00:17:20,462
She leaves a lot, traveling.
274
00:17:20,463 --> 00:17:22,052
She's a nasty..
275
00:17:22,053 --> 00:17:25,533
She's a nasty, nasty lady.
276
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:30,347
There is a cruel woman who
will not leave me alone.
277
00:17:30,348 --> 00:17:33,009
She keeps appearing in front
of me trying to bully me,
278
00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:36,730
and I can tell she enjoys it.
279
00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:39,686
She's, like..
280
00:17:39,687 --> 00:17:41,847
Laughing.
281
00:17:42,185 --> 00:17:44,585
She's cold.
282
00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,664
Physically, like, just.. She's right here.
283
00:17:48,665 --> 00:17:49,465
.
284
00:17:55,450 --> 00:18:00,511
The second I say I don't like this nasty
woman, she gives me an icy touch.
285
00:18:00,512 --> 00:18:04,217
I think she does this to living
people in the house, too.
286
00:18:04,218 --> 00:18:07,038
She's destructive.
287
00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:09,564
I don't like her.
288
00:18:09,565 --> 00:18:12,085
She's creepy.
289
00:18:12,527 --> 00:18:14,858
She doesn't have a soul.
290
00:18:14,859 --> 00:18:17,319
She's empty.
291
00:18:18,838 --> 00:18:22,283
This whole town is connected by
600 miles of underground tunnels
292
00:18:22,284 --> 00:18:25,689
where thousands of miners
died horrible deaths.
293
00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:26,949
So I'm headed over to meet a guy
294
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:30,254
who knows the mining history
in this town inside and out.
295
00:18:30,255 --> 00:18:34,155
There could be a connection here.
296
00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:41,395
So, Ron, I was talking to a local
historian, and, uh, she mentioned that
297
00:18:41,396 --> 00:18:44,127
there was a lot of mining disasters here.
298
00:18:44,128 --> 00:18:45,840
Mining was extremely dangerous.
299
00:18:45,841 --> 00:18:50,722
You were working down as deep as 3,200
or 3,300 feet below the ground.
300
00:18:50,723 --> 00:18:55,283
And in many cases, 135-degree temperatures.
301
00:18:55,684 --> 00:19:00,113
I was wondering, were any of those
disasters close to the Mackay Mansion?
302
00:19:00,114 --> 00:19:04,706
Yes. One about, uh, 100 yards
from the Mackay Mansion.
303
00:19:04,707 --> 00:19:06,095
You've got the Gould Curry shaft.
304
00:19:06,096 --> 00:19:07,758
A fire broke out, and..
305
00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:09,278
Eleven..
306
00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,143
Men lost their lives.
307
00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:13,483
Some of them were literally incinerated.
308
00:19:13,484 --> 00:19:15,036
What caused the fire?
309
00:19:15,037 --> 00:19:17,133
They never determined that.
310
00:19:17,134 --> 00:19:20,882
The air went very quickly, and they
probably died within a matter of hours.
311
00:19:20,883 --> 00:19:22,656
They simply died of suffocation.
312
00:19:22,657 --> 00:19:26,557
So it was a terrible way to go.
313
00:19:26,781 --> 00:19:29,502
Right here. This area. Under the ground.
314
00:19:29,503 --> 00:19:31,873
Something happened in that..
315
00:19:31,874 --> 00:19:34,422
Something on this..
316
00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:37,363
Ground was bad or..
317
00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:41,264
Was worse before.
318
00:19:44,111 --> 00:19:46,975
It was worse. It was worse before.
319
00:19:46,976 --> 00:19:49,872
I just feel, like, a lot of death.
320
00:19:49,873 --> 00:19:54,853
And I also see a lot of
bodies on the ground.
321
00:19:56,493 --> 00:19:59,338
Did you know anyone who died
in these mining disasters?
322
00:19:59,339 --> 00:20:04,585
My great-grandfather died at
3,000-foot level in 1880..
323
00:20:04,586 --> 00:20:05,837
And he was 29.
324
00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:07,147
Can I ask how he died?
325
00:20:07,148 --> 00:20:12,253
Something slipped off of the cage that
hauled, uh, material up and down,
326
00:20:12,254 --> 00:20:15,725
and he was unfortunate enough
to be at the bottom of that.
327
00:20:15,726 --> 00:20:20,132
It decapitated him, and it killed a couple
of other fellas right at that time,
328
00:20:20,133 --> 00:20:22,036
and then another one died later.
329
00:20:22,037 --> 00:20:24,437
Oh, my God.
330
00:20:25,861 --> 00:20:29,881
One guy, he.. Had his head broken.
331
00:20:30,928 --> 00:20:31,693
Yuck.
332
00:20:31,694 --> 00:20:33,734
(Bleep)
333
00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:37,890
Uh, his head was cracked.
334
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:58,022
There's, like, all these men.
335
00:20:58,023 --> 00:21:00,439
There's probably like 40 guys.
336
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,500
They're all in pain.
337
00:21:09,141 --> 00:21:11,516
That's all I can get off of them.
338
00:21:11,517 --> 00:21:15,366
Because nobody's, uh, well enough..
339
00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:17,527
To talk.
340
00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:20,209
These men are still in their death state,
341
00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:24,020
which means they're reliving their
deaths over and over again.
342
00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,985
And they're in too much pain
to communicate with me.
343
00:21:26,986 --> 00:21:29,386
I feel bad.
344
00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:36,278
With so many men dying in
these underground mines,
345
00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,998
Virginia City might as well
be built on a graveyard.
346
00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:41,765
But my witnesses aren't seeing men.
347
00:21:41,766 --> 00:21:45,411
They're seeing a young
girl and a shadow figure.
348
00:21:45,412 --> 00:21:47,348
The girl could be Mackay's stepdaughter.
349
00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:51,009
But how do I I.D. a shadow?
350
00:21:51,858 --> 00:21:55,479
All I can do is keep finding
deaths surrounding this place..
351
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,740
And see if Amy can make sense of it.
352
00:22:12,271 --> 00:22:13,761
It turns out a pretty gruesome murder
353
00:22:13,762 --> 00:22:17,035
took place right next to
the mansion in the 1800s.
354
00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:21,836
The victim..
A prostitute named Julia Bulette.
355
00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:27,929
This Julia Bulette
homicide's got my attention.
356
00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:30,506
According to maps, her body
was discovered in her home,
357
00:22:30,507 --> 00:22:33,407
not far from the Mackay Mansion.
358
00:22:33,408 --> 00:22:35,024
I'm headed over to talk to an historian
359
00:22:35,025 --> 00:22:37,159
who's been obsessed with
this case for years.
360
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,320
I'm hoping she can tell
me exactly what happened.
361
00:22:55,442 --> 00:23:01,342
Julia Bulette was a prostitute that
was murdered in January 20, 1867.
362
00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:08,382
She was a very well-loved
and, uh, famous prostitute.
363
00:23:08,686 --> 00:23:10,472
The motive was robbery.
364
00:23:10,473 --> 00:23:14,197
All of her belongings, uh, were taken.
365
00:23:14,198 --> 00:23:16,653
Being that she was a high-end
prostitute back in those days,
366
00:23:16,654 --> 00:23:20,708
would she have serviced men in her
house or would she go to their home?
367
00:23:20,709 --> 00:23:22,988
She did service a lot of
the men in her house..
368
00:23:22,989 --> 00:23:24,496
Probably a lot of the miner men..
369
00:23:24,497 --> 00:23:30,397
But she probably serviced, uh, many
of the mine superintendents as well.
370
00:23:30,419 --> 00:23:33,486
I know the Mackay Mansion used to be
a boarding house for superintendents
371
00:23:33,487 --> 00:23:35,374
before John Mackay bought it.
372
00:23:35,375 --> 00:23:38,719
And given Julia Bulette's
popularity with the men in town,
373
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,837
I have no doubt that she had her own key.
374
00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:45,318
Yeah, that's very possible.
375
00:23:45,944 --> 00:23:47,897
How old was she at the time of her death?
376
00:23:47,898 --> 00:23:50,298
She was 34.
377
00:23:52,441 --> 00:23:55,579
There was a guy around here.
378
00:23:55,580 --> 00:23:57,656
He wanders around the town.
379
00:23:57,657 --> 00:24:01,077
He wanders around in here.
380
00:24:01,767 --> 00:24:04,887
He was killing ladies.
381
00:24:06,636 --> 00:24:09,827
This one lady he killed was..
382
00:24:09,828 --> 00:24:11,557
30s, 40s.
383
00:24:11,558 --> 00:24:13,939
What do you know about the
actual physical damage to her?
384
00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:17,519
She was found laying on
her left side in the bed.
385
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,019
Um, and she had two, uh, blunt
force traumas to the head.
386
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:24,856
And then she had a pillow
placed over her face.
387
00:24:24,857 --> 00:24:26,298
Was somebody arrested in this case?
388
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:29,996
Yes. There was a gentleman named
John Milleain who was arrested.
389
00:24:29,997 --> 00:24:31,326
Okay, was he a local?
390
00:24:31,327 --> 00:24:35,227
Um, no. He was a French drifter.
391
00:24:36,608 --> 00:24:39,118
He, like, didn't live here.
392
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,456
Uh, or anywhere around here.
393
00:24:41,457 --> 00:24:43,123
He'd travel all over.
394
00:24:43,124 --> 00:24:45,012
He was..
395
00:24:45,013 --> 00:24:46,097
Like a roamer.
396
00:24:46,098 --> 00:24:48,618
He was crazy.
397
00:24:54,466 --> 00:24:55,887
Did Milleain ever go to trial?
398
00:24:55,888 --> 00:24:58,099
Yes. John Milleain, uh, did go to trial.
399
00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:59,897
The trial lasted only two days.
400
00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:01,447
Did he admit to it?
401
00:25:01,448 --> 00:25:05,111
He admitted to having been
there at her property,
402
00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:07,321
uh, but claimed that he was
with two other gentlemen
403
00:25:07,322 --> 00:25:08,770
who actually did the attack.
404
00:25:08,771 --> 00:25:09,662
Was he convicted?
405
00:25:09,663 --> 00:25:13,383
Yes, he was sentenced to hang.
406
00:25:14,738 --> 00:25:16,150
It was quite the spectacle.
407
00:25:16,151 --> 00:25:19,050
I would say the majority
of the town turned out.
408
00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:22,725
There were two days in Virginia City's
history that the bars were closed.
409
00:25:22,726 --> 00:25:24,316
One was the day of her funeral
410
00:25:24,317 --> 00:25:29,777
and the other was the day
that her killer was hanged.
411
00:25:36,150 --> 00:25:38,305
I'm seeing a hanging around here.
412
00:25:38,306 --> 00:25:39,056
Okay.
413
00:25:39,057 --> 00:25:42,007
There's some wacko guy hanging..
414
00:25:42,008 --> 00:25:44,438
Swinging in the breeze.
415
00:25:44,439 --> 00:25:45,904
Swinging in the breeze.
416
00:25:45,905 --> 00:25:47,500
What's he hanging from?
417
00:25:47,501 --> 00:25:49,612
A tree, I think.
418
00:25:49,613 --> 00:25:51,317
I don't know.
419
00:25:51,318 --> 00:25:55,638
It may be symbolic. It's psychic, so..
420
00:25:55,715 --> 00:25:58,662
Images of a hanging are
flashing through my mind.
421
00:25:58,663 --> 00:26:00,514
I'm seeing a picture of what happened here,
422
00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:04,346
and this execution had
everyone's attention.
423
00:26:04,347 --> 00:26:07,587
Something about justice..
424
00:26:08,014 --> 00:26:12,154
Like, I just see the word "justice."
425
00:26:26,313 --> 00:26:29,198
I came across a lot of dead
people during my walk,
426
00:26:29,199 --> 00:26:33,137
but the nasty woman with the
icy-cold touch is standing over me,
427
00:26:33,138 --> 00:26:38,080
and she's demanding that I sketch
her the way she sees herself.
428
00:26:38,081 --> 00:26:40,136
She would be..
429
00:26:40,137 --> 00:26:43,257
Mid 30s to early 40s.
430
00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,615
What shape was her face?
431
00:26:52,055 --> 00:26:54,126
Her face is round.
432
00:26:54,127 --> 00:26:56,422
She has very thin lips.
433
00:26:56,423 --> 00:27:01,158
Was the..
Lower lip as thin as the upper lip?
434
00:27:01,159 --> 00:27:06,019
It's a little bit larger
than the upper lip.
435
00:27:07,546 --> 00:27:10,928
She is really angry, and she..
436
00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:14,058
Wants to look a certain way.
437
00:27:14,059 --> 00:27:16,186
Her hair is dark.
438
00:27:16,187 --> 00:27:19,067
Eyelashes are dark.
439
00:27:22,343 --> 00:27:25,403
Is this who you saw?
440
00:27:25,867 --> 00:27:27,727
Yes.
441
00:27:51,776 --> 00:27:54,903
Over the last several days, Amy
and I have been conducting
442
00:27:54,904 --> 00:27:57,854
completely separate investigations.
443
00:27:57,855 --> 00:28:03,315
Tonight will be the first
time we reveal our findings.
444
00:28:03,693 --> 00:28:06,114
Debbie is the tour guide here.
445
00:28:06,115 --> 00:28:09,426
Uh, she loves this job and she
doesn't want to leave it.
446
00:28:09,427 --> 00:28:13,579
But she's having some experiences
that has her a little frightened.
447
00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:16,662
Valerie, uh, was actually..
Took a tour here,
448
00:28:16,663 --> 00:28:19,490
and during the tour, she was traumatized
449
00:28:19,491 --> 00:28:22,010
to the point where she
didn't sleep for two weeks.
450
00:28:22,011 --> 00:28:24,222
She had nightmares.
451
00:28:24,223 --> 00:28:25,790
She needs answers.
452
00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:28,751
She wants to face her fears and
find out what's going on here,
453
00:28:28,752 --> 00:28:31,345
so that's why they called us in.
454
00:28:31,346 --> 00:28:37,246
So with that being said, maybe Amy
could tell us about her walk.
455
00:28:42,261 --> 00:28:47,598
I saw this crazy guy who was
killing a lot of women.
456
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,592
You know, he did all this..
Strangled these women, mutilated them.
457
00:28:51,593 --> 00:28:54,086
It wasn't just one.. One lady.
458
00:28:54,087 --> 00:28:56,300
He makes me feel sick.
459
00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:59,541
He was, like, a roamer.
460
00:28:59,818 --> 00:29:04,258
He was killing ladies
and he was crazy.
461
00:29:10,673 --> 00:29:14,071
You know, Amy, that sounds a lot
like the Julia Bulette case.
462
00:29:14,072 --> 00:29:17,397
Before John Mackay had lived here, this
was the home for the superintendents.
463
00:29:17,398 --> 00:29:19,567
Most of the time, they didn't
have their wives with them.
464
00:29:19,568 --> 00:29:22,758
So the chances of Julia
Bulette, who was a prostitute
465
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,375
literally a couple of blocks from here,
466
00:29:24,376 --> 00:29:27,127
servicing the men in this
house is pretty good.
467
00:29:27,128 --> 00:29:30,488
Here's a picture of her.
468
00:29:30,733 --> 00:29:35,227
She was 34 when she was murdered,
literally a couple of blocks from here,
469
00:29:35,228 --> 00:29:37,078
uh, by a drifter.
470
00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:37,971
Wow.
471
00:29:37,972 --> 00:29:40,892
She was bludgeoned about the head,
472
00:29:40,893 --> 00:29:43,308
uh, blunt force trauma, and
she was strangled to death.
473
00:29:43,309 --> 00:29:44,335
And when they found her, they had..
474
00:29:44,336 --> 00:29:45,982
There was a pillow over her face also.
475
00:29:45,983 --> 00:29:49,402
So this guy John Milleain, who I have
a photo of, when he murdered her,
476
00:29:49,403 --> 00:29:53,359
I guess he wanted to
make sure she was dead.
477
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,560
It wasn't the first time he did it.
478
00:29:58,455 --> 00:30:00,992
I also saw a hanging.
479
00:30:00,993 --> 00:30:02,853
Hmm.
480
00:30:03,617 --> 00:30:06,272
Hanging from a tree, like swaying.
481
00:30:06,273 --> 00:30:10,353
I did see the.. The word "justice."
482
00:30:10,557 --> 00:30:12,160
That makes sense.
483
00:30:12,161 --> 00:30:13,867
Totally makes sense.
484
00:30:13,868 --> 00:30:16,761
He was convicted in two days of her murder.
485
00:30:16,762 --> 00:30:21,322
But it took a year
before he was hanged.
486
00:30:25,095 --> 00:30:29,987
What I saw was residual energy, like a
piece of a movie replaying over and over.
487
00:30:29,988 --> 00:30:34,035
I saw a man killing women, but I
couldn't make out his features.
488
00:30:34,036 --> 00:30:36,116
I also saw a hanging.
489
00:30:36,117 --> 00:30:39,305
So now this all makes sense.
490
00:30:39,306 --> 00:30:40,328
What else did you see?
491
00:30:40,329 --> 00:30:42,476
This woman..
492
00:30:42,477 --> 00:30:44,577
Who was
493
00:30:44,585 --> 00:30:46,962
extremely angry.
494
00:30:46,963 --> 00:30:49,992
And she was yelling at her husband.
495
00:30:49,993 --> 00:30:53,100
Um, she apparently had..
496
00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:57,343
Had a much better lifestyle
before she moved here.
497
00:30:57,344 --> 00:30:58,737
And went with him.
498
00:30:58,738 --> 00:31:03,298
And she was missing that upscale lifestyle.
499
00:31:03,524 --> 00:31:06,017
And she was standing by me..
500
00:31:06,018 --> 00:31:10,482
And she put her arm on my arm,
and it was, like, ice cold.
501
00:31:10,483 --> 00:31:12,343
Ice.
502
00:31:14,132 --> 00:31:17,045
She's, like, destructive. Um..
503
00:31:17,046 --> 00:31:19,735
I don't like her.
504
00:31:19,736 --> 00:31:20,914
She's right here.
505
00:31:20,915 --> 00:31:21,715
.
506
00:31:25,979 --> 00:31:27,233
Debbie, let me ask you a question, though.
507
00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:30,061
On the tours you do, has anybody
ever described that to you?
508
00:31:30,062 --> 00:31:32,426
Oh, yeah. People all the time will say..
509
00:31:32,427 --> 00:31:34,506
"You know, my God, it's so
freezing cold right here,"
510
00:31:34,507 --> 00:31:39,127
and they'll move one foot, and it's gone.
511
00:31:41,475 --> 00:31:44,620
She used to travel a lot. And..
512
00:31:44,621 --> 00:31:47,365
She was just a nasty..
513
00:31:47,366 --> 00:31:48,641
Nasty lady.
514
00:31:48,642 --> 00:31:51,664
I don't really like her.
515
00:31:51,665 --> 00:31:53,705
Mackay.
516
00:31:54,073 --> 00:31:57,159
The woman you describe sounds
awfully like Louise Mackay,
517
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,769
the wife of John Mackay, who
the mansion's named after.
518
00:31:59,770 --> 00:32:02,350
He lived here.
519
00:32:08,897 --> 00:32:10,344
He's an immigrant from Ireland.
520
00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:12,753
He came here, worked
$4 a day as a miner,
521
00:32:12,754 --> 00:32:15,385
and later on became one of
the richest men in America.
522
00:32:15,386 --> 00:32:19,499
And he married a woman named Louise.
523
00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,263
They lived here, but she
hated Virginia City.
524
00:32:22,264 --> 00:32:24,518
She didn't like it.
She felt she was above it.
525
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,404
Uh, she came from a pretty
upper-class, uh, background,
526
00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:30,779
and the marriage wasn't really much.
527
00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:32,889
I mean, she spent most
of her time in Paris.
528
00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:36,205
Uh, so they didn't really
have a great marriage.
529
00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:37,707
Uh..
530
00:32:37,708 --> 00:32:41,147
Wh.. I see that look on your face.
What is it?
531
00:32:41,148 --> 00:32:45,168
Um, well, actually, I sketched her.
532
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:53,899
All I remember about the sketch is that
she made me do her hair in this, like,
533
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:59,468
ridiculous curly hairstyle that
took forever for the artist to do.
534
00:32:59,469 --> 00:33:01,247
Wh.. What did you mean, she made you?
535
00:33:01,248 --> 00:33:03,408
She was throwing a fit.
536
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:04,334
While you were doing the sketch?
537
00:33:04,335 --> 00:33:06,255
Yeah.
538
00:33:26,863 --> 00:33:30,103
You girls look at this.
539
00:33:33,795 --> 00:33:36,315
(Mouths words)
540
00:33:39,242 --> 00:33:42,062
Not a happy lady.
541
00:33:44,547 --> 00:33:46,499
That's pretty good.
542
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:50,040
It has the same scowl look.
543
00:33:54,645 --> 00:34:00,132
She's got that same look, I mean, in the
eyes, you know, just not.. Not happy.
544
00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:03,120
It's like a combination of both.
Hmm.
545
00:34:03,121 --> 00:34:06,088
And she does not like people here.
546
00:34:06,089 --> 00:34:07,407
Hates it.
547
00:34:07,408 --> 00:34:10,136
Even though she hated the place herself?
548
00:34:10,137 --> 00:34:10,915
Well, yeah.
549
00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:15,356
Anything she thought she owned, she owns.
550
00:34:15,411 --> 00:34:18,310
This was her space.
551
00:34:18,311 --> 00:34:20,935
This woman may have hated
this place in life,
552
00:34:20,936 --> 00:34:23,625
but I'm not surprised she
came back here in death.
553
00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:25,798
The dead often come back to the locations
554
00:34:25,799 --> 00:34:28,683
that had the most meaning in their lives.
555
00:34:28,684 --> 00:34:31,397
So when.. If Debbie comes in with a
tour with somebody like Valerie,
556
00:34:31,398 --> 00:34:32,917
I mean, she doesn't like that.
557
00:34:32,918 --> 00:34:34,718
No.
558
00:34:36,744 --> 00:34:39,095
Amy, what else did you see?
559
00:34:39,096 --> 00:34:40,405
A young girl.
560
00:34:40,406 --> 00:34:44,192
She is very ill, but she doesn't look it.
561
00:34:44,193 --> 00:34:46,833
And she likes..
562
00:34:47,785 --> 00:34:50,785
To freak people out.
563
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:53,276
She likes to get on the beds..
564
00:34:53,277 --> 00:34:55,474
And, um, jump on things.
565
00:34:55,475 --> 00:34:59,195
So, yeah, she's pretty active.
566
00:35:00,425 --> 00:35:02,918
Debbie actually had some..
567
00:35:02,919 --> 00:35:04,426
What would you call it, a test?
568
00:35:04,427 --> 00:35:05,375
We just asked her..
569
00:35:05,376 --> 00:35:07,609
"Can you do something to let
us know that you're here?"
570
00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:10,190
And.. She did.
571
00:35:10,363 --> 00:35:13,294
You know, she closed the toy box lid and..
572
00:35:13,295 --> 00:35:16,377
Made the blanket move, and it
was like, "yeah, here I am."
573
00:35:16,378 --> 00:35:17,685
Wow.
574
00:35:17,686 --> 00:35:20,587
You saw the girl that
obviously Amy knows is here.
575
00:35:20,588 --> 00:35:22,094
Uh, how does that make you feel?
576
00:35:22,095 --> 00:35:24,924
I.. I think the way that
you explained it, Amy,
577
00:35:24,925 --> 00:35:30,355
when you described her, that's the
feeling that I get when I'm up there.
578
00:35:30,356 --> 00:35:34,321
Louise Mackay, she was a widow
whose husband had died.
579
00:35:34,322 --> 00:35:35,613
He was a Doctor.
580
00:35:35,614 --> 00:35:37,374
But they had a young girl, a daughter.
581
00:35:37,375 --> 00:35:38,282
Oh.
582
00:35:38,283 --> 00:35:41,529
And the daughter had braces on her legs.
583
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:45,610
John Mackay adopted her as his own.
584
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,572
So did you see this girl's face?
585
00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:57,728
No. She wouldn't let me.
586
00:35:57,729 --> 00:36:01,199
I hate not knowing if Mackay's
stepdaughter is this little girl,
587
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,167
but at least I know she's not the
one terrorizing people around here.
588
00:36:06,168 --> 00:36:10,177
The other thing that
I saw was, uh..
589
00:36:10,178 --> 00:36:13,718
This really tall, dark mass.
590
00:36:13,817 --> 00:36:17,891
And it was definitely masculine energy.
591
00:36:17,892 --> 00:36:20,563
And this individual
592
00:36:20,564 --> 00:36:23,503
really likes to scare people.
593
00:36:23,504 --> 00:36:29,374
Like, to other people, he looks
very ominous and very scary.
594
00:36:29,375 --> 00:36:31,235
Wow.
595
00:36:32,161 --> 00:36:33,907
Ooh.
596
00:36:33,908 --> 00:36:35,828
What?
597
00:36:38,266 --> 00:36:41,146
Are you all right?
598
00:36:53,205 --> 00:36:55,697
The other thing that I saw was
599
00:36:55,698 --> 00:36:59,238
this really tall, dark mass.
600
00:37:00,357 --> 00:37:02,689
He looks very ominous.
601
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:05,330
And very scary.
602
00:37:07,618 --> 00:37:10,498
Are you all right?
603
00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:18,305
Okay, so..
604
00:37:19,532 --> 00:37:21,410
At the tour..
605
00:37:21,411 --> 00:37:23,463
All of a sudden..
606
00:37:23,464 --> 00:37:27,484
This tall, dark, shadow man figure.
607
00:37:28,528 --> 00:37:32,010
Walks right between us. And..
608
00:37:32,011 --> 00:37:33,922
He stops.
609
00:37:33,923 --> 00:37:39,823
Turns around and looks straight at me
with these evil-looking, glowing eyes.
610
00:37:39,929 --> 00:37:42,389
And he was..
611
00:37:42,517 --> 00:37:44,569
So angry.
612
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:47,417
I literally dropped down to my knees..
613
00:37:47,418 --> 00:37:50,026
And started bawling my eyes out.
614
00:37:50,027 --> 00:37:53,332
After that, two..
For two weeks, every single night..
615
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:55,956
I had nightmares of him.
616
00:37:55,957 --> 00:37:59,497
I had his face in my head.
617
00:38:00,982 --> 00:38:03,336
Now Debby's seen this thing also.
618
00:38:03,337 --> 00:38:06,501
You could feel..
Feel it in the pit of your stomach.
619
00:38:06,502 --> 00:38:08,069
You know, his presence.
620
00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:10,735
And it.. It was terrifying.
621
00:38:10,736 --> 00:38:15,029
And it's always that feeling of dread,
the feeling of "you need to get away"
622
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:19,470
"from wherever he is and away from him."
623
00:38:25,628 --> 00:38:28,235
Both of you have seen the
results of the investigation.
624
00:38:28,236 --> 00:38:30,444
And heard about Amy's walk.
625
00:38:30,445 --> 00:38:33,003
The reason you called us in
is because you wanna know
626
00:38:33,004 --> 00:38:36,649
if it's safe or not to be here or..
Or what it is.
627
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:38,512
I can't answer that. Only Amy can.
628
00:38:38,513 --> 00:38:42,113
So, Amy, if you can, please.
629
00:38:44,564 --> 00:38:49,784
The man that you saw in
the yard cannot hurt you.
630
00:38:51,218 --> 00:38:54,818
He's just a practical joker.
631
00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:00,996
So I think the best way
to approach this..
632
00:39:00,997 --> 00:39:03,796
Is not to fall for it.
633
00:39:03,797 --> 00:39:07,697
Because he thinks it's hilarious.
634
00:39:08,992 --> 00:39:11,163
So basically..
635
00:39:11,164 --> 00:39:13,703
Don't feed into it and he'll..
636
00:39:13,704 --> 00:39:16,164
Wander about.
637
00:39:16,165 --> 00:39:19,755
But there are two other issues
that do need to be dealt with.
638
00:39:19,756 --> 00:39:22,516
And one is the..
639
00:39:22,661 --> 00:39:24,152
The girl.
640
00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:26,948
Um, she should not be here.
641
00:39:26,949 --> 00:39:29,949
She needs to go on.
642
00:39:30,351 --> 00:39:33,296
I hate seeing dead children
stuck in a location.
643
00:39:33,297 --> 00:39:37,551
This little girl needs to
move on to a better place.
644
00:39:37,552 --> 00:39:43,036
The best way for her to do that would
be for another medium to come in..
645
00:39:43,037 --> 00:39:44,428
To talk to her.
646
00:39:44,429 --> 00:39:48,869
And hopefully, for the medium to, um c..
647
00:39:50,337 --> 00:39:56,237
Counsel her into seeing that it's
better if she completely goes.
648
00:39:56,872 --> 00:40:00,558
Unfortunately, I can't do it
because it does take a few days.
649
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,977
But I can definitely interview
anybody that you find
650
00:40:03,978 --> 00:40:06,767
that you feel comfortable with.
651
00:40:06,768 --> 00:40:10,968
Um, and then the other one is this..
652
00:40:11,292 --> 00:40:13,632
Nasty lady.
653
00:40:14,219 --> 00:40:17,695
She just does not need to be here.
654
00:40:17,696 --> 00:40:23,336
The only problem is, that
would have to be done by an..
655
00:40:23,448 --> 00:40:26,208
Through exorcism..
656
00:40:27,995 --> 00:40:31,802
Which is something I very,
very rarely recommend.
657
00:40:31,803 --> 00:40:34,766
You know, Amy, I never even
heard you say that word before.
658
00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:36,634
She does need to leave.
659
00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:39,142
This isn't her domain.
660
00:40:39,143 --> 00:40:41,451
And she doesn't need to
be bothering people.
661
00:40:41,452 --> 00:40:46,365
But it needs to be done by someone
who will make sure that she..
662
00:40:46,366 --> 00:40:49,034
Moves on not out.
663
00:40:49,035 --> 00:40:53,115
- Yeah.
- There's a big difference.
664
00:40:53,858 --> 00:40:57,007
Most people think only
demons need to be exorcised.
665
00:40:57,008 --> 00:41:00,775
But in some extreme cases, dead
people can become so powerful,
666
00:41:00,776 --> 00:41:03,834
it's the only way to drive
them out of a location.
667
00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,001
Let me ask you a question, though.
668
00:41:05,002 --> 00:41:06,985
Are you gonna listen to what
Amy says, and what to do?
669
00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:09,750
Absolutely. I mean, I..
I feel empowered now.
670
00:41:09,751 --> 00:41:11,425
- Good.
- It's not something that I have
671
00:41:11,426 --> 00:41:13,261
to run away from and fear..
672
00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:14,071
- Mm-hmm.
- And that
673
00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,232
gives me the power to not be afraid.
674
00:41:17,233 --> 00:41:18,926
What about you, Valerie? How do you feel?
675
00:41:18,927 --> 00:41:22,083
I was terrified because I
thought that he was evil.
676
00:41:22,084 --> 00:41:24,844
But now I feel..
677
00:41:25,959 --> 00:41:27,248
100 times better.
678
00:41:27,249 --> 00:41:28,355
Alright, good.
679
00:41:28,356 --> 00:41:30,276
Good.
680
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,325
I almost never recommend an exorcism.
681
00:41:33,326 --> 00:41:35,365
But this woman's energy is so negative,
682
00:41:35,366 --> 00:41:40,314
there might never be peace in this
house until they get rid of her.
683
00:41:42,057 --> 00:41:45,777
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