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- [birds chirping]
- [dog barks distantly]
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[suspenseful music plays]
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Anhydrous hydrazine.
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Ammonium nitrate.
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Nitromethane.
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Nitromethane.
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Ammonium nitrate.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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Oh, shit.
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Shit.
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[door slams open]
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[suspenseful music plays]
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[man] Come on,
man. We gotta go.
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[door opens and closes]
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[suspenseful music plays]
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[theme music plays]
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[Dan] Defense calls
FBI Supervisory
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Special Agent Gary
Noesner to the stand.
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[people murmuring]
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[Dan] As the lead
negotiator for the FBI,
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how many hours did you spend
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on the phone with the Davidians?
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[Gary] Uh, it's hard to
say, definitively. Hundreds.
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[Dan] Seems like you got to
know them pretty well then.
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[Gary] I guess so.
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[Dan] Well enough to get
some of them to come out.
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Yes.
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Uh, 35 people came
out during the siege
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including 21 children.
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How did you do that?
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Get so many people out?
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You build trust over time.
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You start small, you
give them something,
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in return they give something.
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You compromise.
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Trust.
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Uh-hmm.
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[Dan] Was it difficult
to build that trust
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when other members of your team
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were cutting the power
to the Davidians' home,
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or rolling tanks
over their cars,
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or using sleep
deprivation techniques,
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like, uh, blasting floodlights
or music throughout the night?
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Yeah, my team, the
negotiation team,
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worked in conjunction with
the tactical team, HRT.
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And although our efforts
were coordinated,
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sometimes we took
different approaches.
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And that relationship with HRT,
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would you describe it as, um...
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- adversarial?
- [chuckles]
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But just remember, the
ATF's not gonna be around
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- to take the blame this time.
- I don't give a shit!
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Uh, it could get heated,
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but we always had
the same objective.
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To get everyone out safely.
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[Dan] Now, days
before the final raid,
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you had reached an
agreement with the Davidians
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regarding their
surrender, correct?
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David had promised to come
out before and never did.
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It's not uncommon in
situations like this
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for people to say one
thing and do another.
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So the FBI didn't believe
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the Davidians were
gonna come out
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and a decision
was made to go in.
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Who made that decision?
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The Attorney General.
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[Dan] In a meeting
on April 12th?
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[Gary] Sure.
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Were you at that meeting?
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I was not.
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[Dan] Was anyone from the
negotiations team there?
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- No.
- [Dan] Why not?
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If you were a team,
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why wasn't half the team at
this very important meeting?
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[breathes hard] You'd
have to ask them.
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But you supported the
decision they came to,
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to raid Mount
Carmel on the 19th?
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Leadership felt it
was the best way
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to avoid more loss of life.
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[Dan] I'm not asking
what leadership thought.
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I'm asking for your
personal opinion.
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Be careful, Mr. Cogdell.
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[sucks teeth]
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On April 16th,
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do you remember Steve Schneider
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asking you for a computer?
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Yes.
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[Dan] And why did he want that?
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Uh, he said it would help Koresh
write the Seven Seals out,
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and once that was
done, they'd come out.
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This is a request you
made for the computer.
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Is that your signature
there at the bottom?
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Yes.
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And the date next
to the signature?
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April 16th.
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So, four days after a
decision had been made
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to conduct the raid
on Mount Carmel,
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you requested a new computer
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- for Steve Schneider?
- [Gary] Yes.
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And how long does
it normally take
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for a request like
that to go through?
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- A week or so.
- [Dan] A week.
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So you ordered a new computer
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knowing that it wouldn't
arrive until after the raid?
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- Well...
- [Dan] Why do that?
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Why order something
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knowing that it wouldn't
arrive until after the raid?
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Unless you didn't know
the raid was coming.
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I don't recall exactly when
I was told about the raid.
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You didn't know.
They didn't tell you
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because they knew
you'd be against it.
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Leadership made a
tactical decision.
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It wasn't a tactical decision,
it was an emotional one.
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They were getting
embarrassed on national TV
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and they were sick of it.
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No, they just felt Koresh
wasn't serious about coming out
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and they believed they
were out of options.
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Because you failed?
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I don't believe
negotiators ever fail.
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We either solve a situation
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or we create more time
for HRT to prepare.
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HRT cited and I quote,
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"Once negotiations failed,
we were left with no choice."
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That wasn't my assessment
of the situation.
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They gave you 51
days, didn't they?
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That's a pretty long run
to wind up with nothing.
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I wouldn't call it nothing.
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We got 35 people out.
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And who knows?
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Maybe you could've
gotten another 35
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if you weren't running
over their cars.
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- That wasn't us.
- That wasn't the FBI?
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No, it was the FBI,
but it wasn't my team.
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Oh, so that doesn't count?
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For Christ's sake, why
don't you just ask it?
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Excuse me?
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I know where you're
heading with all this.
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Cut to the chase,
just ask the question.
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Uhm, what question would
you like me to ask?
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[Bill] Objection!
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[Judge Smith] Overruled.
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You wanna know if
it was inevitable,
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if they were planning
to die all along.
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So you should just ask me.
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Was it inevitable?
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No, it was not.
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[people murmuring]
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They were running out
of water and resolve.
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And I believe that without
the tactical maneuvers
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and a little more time,
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we could have gotten a
lot more of them out,
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perhaps all of them.
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[Dan] Did you tell
that to leadership?
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[Gary] I did.
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And that's why they
didn't bring me
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to meet the Attorney General.
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That's why I was rotated out.
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Some FBI leaders were
tired of the press
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and the attention.
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The American public
was tired of it.
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Everyone was tired.
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The FBI wanted it
over at any cost.
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Holy shit.
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Uh, no further
questions, Your Honor.
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[Dramatic music plays]
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[floor creaks]
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- [Carol grunts]
- [men grunting]
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[dog barking]
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I have one question for you
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and I better like your answer.
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Why were you in Andy's trailer?
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That was yours?
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That was Andy's?
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I mean, I didn't...
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I was... I was... I'm
stupid, I was high
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and then I just went
into the wrong trailer.
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When I realized I was in
the wrong place, I left.
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Is that a crime?
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Go ahead. Search me.
Go search my stuff.
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I didn't take nothin'.
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[Suspenseful music plays]
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[Andy] What's the downside
of killing her right here?
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I know she saw
something in my trailer
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- she shouldn't have.
- [guns cocking]
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- [dog barking]
- [whispering]
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[suspenseful music plays]
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[indistinct whispering]
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[dog barking]
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- [gunshot]
- Hey, no!
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You might hit the dogs!
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Auf! Auf!
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Blind 'em, I swear to
God! These are good dogs,
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but call them or
I'll fuck them up!
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Come on here!
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[Suspenseful music plays]
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[gunshots]
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[Wayne on tape] There
are 75 ATF agents
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around our building and
they're shooting at us!
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There's women and
children in here,
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and they're... call it off!
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[Sheriff Harwell] This
is Sheriff Harwell.
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- [Wayne] Sheriff!
- [Sheriff Harwell] Wayne.
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[Wayne] We got women
and children in danger!
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- [Sheriff Harwell] Wayne!
- [Wayne] Tell them to pull back!
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That call was placed
by Wayne Martin
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moments after the
ATF raid began.
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Wayne Martin isn't here
to tell you about it today
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because he was burned
alive 51 days later.
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Every case,
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every trial asks a question...
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and it's up to you the jury
to answer that question
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for the rest of the world.
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I thought I knew what the
question of this trial was.
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See, I thought the
question of this trial was,
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"Does the United
States government
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have the right to attack
its own citizens?"
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It's a scary question
when you say it out loud.
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But that's not the question.
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Because the government
already believes
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it has that right.
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The real question
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that you the jury are tasked
with answering today is this,
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"When the United
States government
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comes for you and your family
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with no plan for
peaceful surrender,
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do you have the right
to defend yourselves?"
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That is what's at
stake here today.
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For you...
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for all of us.
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[Dramatic music plays]
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[Gary] You are really brave.
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Well, I'm a badass,
Gary. What can I say?
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Do you know what
tipped them off to you?
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No, I don't know.
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Maybe they saw me
at Andy's house.
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What? Wait.
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You went to Andy
the German's house?
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Yeah, I snuck in there
when no one was looking.
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- [chuckles]
- You shouldn't have done that.
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Well, I found something,
so you're welcome.
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He had a notebook, okay?
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With a bunch of science-type
stuff like chemicals.
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What kind of chemicals?
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Nitromethane... [sighs]
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anhyzahydrizone.
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Anhydrous hydrazine?
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That's racing fuel.
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And adaman... admantium...
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[sighs] Nitrous...
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[Angie] Ammonium nitrate.
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[snaps fingers] That's it.
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- Fertilizer.
- Racing fuel and fertilizer.
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That's the same combination
they use in The Turner Diaries
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to build their bomb.
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[Tense music plays]
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[man] Robert Kling.
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Hey, happy early birthday.
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[Tim] What?
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April 19th, coming up quick.
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[rock music plays over radio]
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[- suspenseful music plays]
-[indistinct chatter]
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There you go.
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You boys drive safe.
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[David] I received
another vision from God.
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That's wonderful.
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Well, I'm not sure everyone
will agree with you.
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What He's asking...
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a lot of people
might say it's wrong.
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We don't judge you for
what He asks you to do.
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Thanks, Clive. That's
very comforting.
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[Dramatic music plays]
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[door opens]
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[prison guard]
Clive Doyle, get up.
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The verdict's in.
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[Dramatic music plays]
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[Karen] Dad, can I
ask you something?
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Of course.
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[Karen] Is everything
David says the word of God?
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Or sometimes is he wrong?
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David hears the voice of God.
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And you believe
everything he says,
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even when it's
something strange?
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[bailiff] All rise.
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Has the jury reached a verdict?
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We have, Your Honor.
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[people murmuring]
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[Judge Smith] The
jury rules as follows.
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On the first count,
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conspiracy to murder
federal agents,
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the jury finds all
four defendants...
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not guilty.
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[all gasp]
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On the second count of aiding
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and abetting the murder
of federal agents,
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the jury finds all
four defendants...
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- not guilty.
- [all exclaim]
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On the count of using
an illegal firearm
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in the commission of a crime,
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the jury finds Paul Fatta,
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Livingstone Fagan,
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and Ruth Riddle...
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guilty.
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[all gasp]
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[dramatic music plays]
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What does that mean?
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It means you've been
cleared of all charges.
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You'll be free to go
in a couple of hours.
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[Clive] But what
about the others?
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[Judge Smith] Order
in the court. Order.
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[Dan] It just doesn't...
There's something.
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Your Honor,
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we'd like to ask the court to
reconsider that last verdict.
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On what grounds?
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On the grounds that it
doesn't make a lick of sense
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to be convicted of
using an illegal firearm
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to commit a crime
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when you weren't convicted
of the actual crime.
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Well, that's not for us to say.
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- The jury ruled...
- [Rocket] Hang on. Hang on.
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Hang on. Mr. Cogdell is right.
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How can I be guilty
of using a weapon
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during a crime if that
crime never happened?
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Interesting legal paradox.
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But... I agree
with the defense.
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I'm vacating the convictions
on the firearms charges.
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The defendants are
to be released.
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- Yes.
- [all exclaim]
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[dramatic music plays]
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[Clive] Are you sure?
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I'll tell David.
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David. David.
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George Roden has been
put in a mental hospital,
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because of his
outburst in court.
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[Upbeat rock music plays]
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You know what that means?
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[all] I think there's
something you should know
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I think it's time I told you so
338
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There's something
deep inside of me
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There's someone
else I've got to be
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Take back your
picture in a frame
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Take back your
singing in the rain
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I just hope you understand
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Sometimes the clothes
do not make the man
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All we have to do now
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Is take these lies
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And make them true somehow
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All we have to see
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Is that I don't belong to you
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And you don't belong
to me yeah, yeah
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Freedom
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Freedom
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- Freedom...
- [music stops]
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[exhales sharply]
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[David] God has
given me this land
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and everything on it.
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I'll give you all ten minutes
to get off my property.
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Or what?
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Or we do this mean.
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We're gonna live
here by God's laws,
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not by man's weakness anymore.
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Those of you who
wanna stay, can stay.
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But there's gonna
be some new rules.
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No drugs, no drinking,
no smoking, no sex.
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If you stay, you stay
to study your Bible,
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to find a new way, a better way.
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And if that doesn't
interest you,
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well, it's time you found
a new doorway to darken.
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[Gary] Oh, excuse me.
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Hey, Mitch.
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I got nothing to say to you.
371
00:23:18,370 --> 00:23:20,170
Okay. Look, I know
you're pissed.
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I need your support
on something.
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Yeah, well, you can't have it.
374
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:24,260
Please, just hear me out.
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You took internal
bureau discussions
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and you aired it
to the world, Gary,
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you made us look like amateurs.
378
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Indecisive, spiteful little...
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- I told the truth.
- You made us weaker.
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People don't expect the
government to be perfect, okay?
381
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But they do expect
us to be accountable.
382
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You think I'm not accountable?
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You think I'm not accountable?
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You had the luxury
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of criticizing from
the sidelines, Gary.
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You got to leave.
387
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,330
I didn't. I stayed,
388
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made the tough call, and
watched those people die.
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00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:54,690
And I got to live with that.
390
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:56,410
What, you think
you're the only one
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00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:58,116
still dealing with the
consequences of Waco?
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I still dream about
it every night, Gary.
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[shouts] So do I!
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But you know what, Mitch?
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I think that's what we deserve.
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What happened at Waco,
it affected all of us.
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It affected the entire country.
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And I know you understand
what I'm talking about.
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We both saw the protesters
at Mount Carmel.
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We saw the increased
militia presence
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and that has only gotten
worse since the fire.
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And I believe that these people
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are planning an
attack, something big.
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00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:40,110
And I need the bureau's
support to look deeper into it,
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00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:42,330
but I can't get it alone.
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00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:45,340
I need your help.
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What do you mean by attack?
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00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:52,430
The advantage that we've had
in dealing with these groups
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is handling them
one at a time, sir.
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00:24:55,530 --> 00:24:56,640
If Gary's right
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and they started
communicating with each other
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through extensive fax networks,
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00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,056
there's a real chance
they could morph
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into some kind of headless
terrorist network.
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00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,280
If Gary's intel is good,
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I think we need to
take a closer look.
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00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:13,320
If the Intel is good.
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00:25:14,620 --> 00:25:16,580
That's a pretty big "if."
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You're asking me to go
way out on a limb here
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based on the word
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00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:24,570
of an unsanctioned
CI nobody has met.
422
00:25:24,770 --> 00:25:26,170
Well, I think the intel is good.
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00:25:26,250 --> 00:25:28,740
- I trust her.
- [Alan] I know you trust her.
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00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:30,930
But before I go
deeper into this,
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00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:34,390
I need to meet her myself.
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00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,060
Okay.
427
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:50,900
You're gonna do great.
428
00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:58,940
So you're this mystery CI
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00:25:59,130 --> 00:26:01,370
I've heard so much about.
430
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,330
Yes, sir. Nice to meet you.
431
00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:06,670
And how did you get
to know this group?
432
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:08,920
The Aryan Brotherhood?
433
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,780
Uh, well, I was dating this guy.
434
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:12,630
His name was Wild Bill.
435
00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:15,180
Uh, he liked to rob
banks, do all kinds
436
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:16,830
of crazy shit like that.
437
00:26:17,030 --> 00:26:20,350
Um, yeah, but then one night
we got into an argument
438
00:26:20,550 --> 00:26:21,850
and he beat me up pretty bad.
439
00:26:22,050 --> 00:26:25,270
I still can't see super good
out of this eye, you know.
440
00:26:25,470 --> 00:26:28,460
And that, that pissed me off.
441
00:26:28,660 --> 00:26:30,440
So I narced on him.
442
00:26:31,650 --> 00:26:33,240
No offense.
443
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:36,350
None taken. We're not narcs.
444
00:26:36,550 --> 00:26:37,550
We're Feds.
445
00:26:37,650 --> 00:26:40,120
Oh, yeah, that's much better,
446
00:26:40,780 --> 00:26:42,120
sort of.
447
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:45,410
So, this place,
this Elohim City,
448
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,250
you think they're building
a bomb of some kind?
449
00:26:52,170 --> 00:26:53,340
Yes.
450
00:26:53,710 --> 00:26:56,390
Uh, they... there-there
was a bunch of chemicals
451
00:26:56,590 --> 00:26:58,066
that could be used
to build a bomb
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00:26:58,090 --> 00:27:00,250
written down in Andy
the German's notebook.
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00:27:00,450 --> 00:27:02,060
Um, and they talk a lot
454
00:27:02,260 --> 00:27:06,100
about making the government
pay for what happened at Waco.
455
00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:08,700
Have you been in
contact with Wild Bill
456
00:27:08,850 --> 00:27:10,610
since he was arrested?
457
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:14,720
No, sir. [chuckles]
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00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,260
That's over.
459
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:17,460
[Alan] Hmm.
460
00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:19,256
So if I told you that
I had the phone logs
461
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,410
from Arkansas
State Penitentiary,
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00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:24,620
where Wild Bill is incarcerated,
463
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:26,660
would that change your answer?
464
00:27:33,670 --> 00:27:35,206
I might have called
him a few times.
465
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:36,896
- [Alan] How many?
- Um, I don't know for sure.
466
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,256
- More than five?
- [Carol] Maybe.
467
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,010
- More than ten?
- [Carol] Maybe.
468
00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:42,000
[Alan] This Aryan Brotherhood,
469
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,750
they just let you live there
470
00:27:43,950 --> 00:27:48,140
and read their notebooks
with no problem.
471
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:49,920
No.
472
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,760
They almost killed
me. I had to run.
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00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,070
[Alan] Did anyone see this?
474
00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:58,150
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did.
- Huh.
475
00:27:58,740 --> 00:28:00,436
You know, there's
been a lot of chatter
476
00:28:00,460 --> 00:28:01,740
from groups like these,
477
00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:03,080
you know, saying things,
478
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,710
like, um, they wish
the FBI would dare
479
00:28:06,910 --> 00:28:08,750
try something like
we did at Waco.
480
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:10,590
Have you heard any
of those people
481
00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:12,400
saying anything like that?
482
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,200
I-I don't know.
483
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:16,030
Not-not-not in
those words exactly.
484
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:18,160
[Alan] Did they ask
you to tell us this?
485
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:19,880
Why would they? I
don't understand.
486
00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:22,060
[Alan] To goad us into
maybe another conflict.
487
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:25,370
You know, something they
can all rally around.
488
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:27,520
Did they ask you
to tell us this?
489
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,110
No, I'm telling
the truth. Okay?
490
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:34,400
Hey. Uh, could we
have a moment, please?
491
00:28:35,860 --> 00:28:37,740
Come on. What,
what are you doing?
492
00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:40,010
She's been through a lot for us.
493
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:42,010
- For you.
- No, for all of us.
494
00:28:42,210 --> 00:28:43,390
She's a good kid.
495
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:45,550
If I knew you were gonna
berate her like this...
496
00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:46,610
It does not matter
497
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:48,270
if everything she says is true
498
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:50,350
if she can't hold it
together on the stand.
499
00:28:50,540 --> 00:28:53,060
Well, I can work with her.
I can get her to calm down.
500
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,130
We cannot afford another Waco.
501
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,720
It's over.
502
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,720
I gave you your time.
503
00:29:14,350 --> 00:29:17,150
[sighs]
504
00:29:18,650 --> 00:29:20,740
They're not gonna pursue it.
505
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:25,410
Did I screw up?
506
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:27,580
No.
507
00:29:28,660 --> 00:29:30,000
No, he had his mind made up
508
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,830
before we even
walked in the room.
509
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,420
You have somewhere to go?
510
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:42,630
No, I don't.
511
00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:49,140
You know, you asked me once
512
00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:51,080
how a nice girl like me wound up
513
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,710
in a place like Elohim City.
514
00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:55,110
Was easy.
515
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:57,820
They're the only
ones that wanted me.
516
00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:01,990
And, Gary, if we ever
cross paths again,
517
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:04,160
you act like you don't know me,
518
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,820
safer that way, okay?
519
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,290
Good luck to you, Carol.
520
00:30:16,790 --> 00:30:19,630
[sighs deeply]
521
00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:24,010
[upbeat blues music playing]
522
00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:26,470
[lock buzzes]
523
00:30:50,490 --> 00:30:54,210
[singer] I've spent too long
524
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:57,920
Away from home
525
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,260
Did all the things
526
00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:06,340
I could have done...
527
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:10,430
[both laugh]
528
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:15,170
- [Clive] Oh.
- [Ruth] Oh.
529
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:17,820
- Let me get four more.
- Yeah.
530
00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:19,300
Hey, is Jocelyn working tonight?
531
00:31:19,390 --> 00:31:21,470
She, she usually works Tuesdays.
532
00:31:21,670 --> 00:31:22,900
- The waitress?
- Yeah.
533
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:24,860
She quit this morning.
534
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:29,080
And I was gonna propose
to her tonight. [chuckles]
535
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,850
Yeah. She seemed cool,
536
00:31:31,050 --> 00:31:32,180
kind of came out of nowhere.
537
00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:34,380
She begged for the job
a couple of months back.
538
00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:35,960
- Yeah.
- Then just up and quit.
539
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,866
Wait, when did you say she
started working here again?
540
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:40,380
Just after New Year's, I think.
541
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,090
Like January 7th, like when
we started working here?
542
00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:45,920
Could have been.
543
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:48,950
[mutters] That son of a bitch.
544
00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:50,910
- Excuse me, Mr. Cogdell.
- What? Oh, yeah.
545
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:52,600
You have a call up front.
546
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:55,440
Hello.
547
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Yeah, what's up?
548
00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:00,420
The judge did what?
549
00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:02,900
[singer] But their streets
550
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:05,610
Did not feel
551
00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:08,780
Like mine
552
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:10,970
So long...
553
00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:13,660
What do you say we
get out of here?
554
00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:15,580
It sounds good to me.
555
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,020
[singer] Goin' home...
556
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:19,860
[sighs]
557
00:32:20,060 --> 00:32:21,580
[both sigh]
558
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:26,010
Wait a sec. Wait a sec.
559
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:27,210
Stop.
560
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:28,780
- What's wrong?
- What's going on?
561
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Need to take you back inside,
562
00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:31,970
your release has been delayed.
563
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Delayed? What do you...
What do you mean?
564
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,960
- No, it's over.
- No, they, they said
565
00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:38,040
- she was not guilty.
- Hands behind your back.
566
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,420
- No.
- Sir, the-the judge
567
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:41,980
- already said that she...
- No. No.
568
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:43,460
No, no, but I'm free.
569
00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:45,780
- You can't do this. I'm free.
- Let's go.
570
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:47,376
- I'm free!
- We'll figure it out, Ruth,
571
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,720
- it's...
- I'm free.
572
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,680
No.
573
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,430
[grunting] I'm free!
574
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:57,190
I'm free!
575
00:32:57,390 --> 00:32:58,460
I'm free!
576
00:32:58,660 --> 00:33:00,326
[Judge Smith] I have
had some time to reflect
577
00:33:00,350 --> 00:33:03,550
and I believe now
I was too hasty
578
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:06,240
in my initial decision
to vacate the convictions
579
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,660
on the weapons charges.
580
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:11,100
Thus, I am reinstating
them now and we'll move on
581
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:12,470
- to sentencing.
- What?
582
00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:14,396
Your Honor, this seems
wildly outside of the...
583
00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:17,120
Please don't interrupt
me, Mr. Cogdell.
584
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
But you're finding them guilty
of a... of a non-existent crime,
585
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,306
of a crime that you yourself
were willing to vacate.
586
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:24,706
There is no reason to set aside
these guilty findings merely
587
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:27,680
because the verdicts cannot
be rationally reconciled.
588
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:28,950
I'm sorry, are you serious?
589
00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:30,260
You're supporting a decision
590
00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:32,020
that you're admitting
is irrational?
591
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:33,180
If they were found guilty
592
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:35,256
of using a weapon in the
commission of a crime
593
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,370
then by that verdict,
594
00:33:36,570 --> 00:33:39,060
they must also be
guilty of the crime
595
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:40,650
the weapon was used in.
596
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:44,370
But they were found not
guilty of that crime.
597
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,880
I have made my
decision. Take a seat.
598
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,346
But that doesn't make any sense.
599
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:49,950
[Judge Smith] I
said I am ready
600
00:33:50,150 --> 00:33:52,170
to move on to sentencing.
601
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:04,920
The only person
602
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,706
to show any contrition
was Ruth Riddle,
603
00:34:06,730 --> 00:34:08,900
and as someone who was
clearly manipulated
604
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:10,100
by Mr. Koresh,
605
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:12,010
you're not entirely to blame
606
00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:13,210
for your actions.
607
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:15,830
Therefore, I am ordering you
608
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:17,230
to be committed to the custody
609
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:18,540
of the US Bureau of Prisons
610
00:34:18,740 --> 00:34:21,000
- for a term of five years.
- [people murmuring]
611
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,150
- Five years?
- [Judge Smith] Paul Fatta.
612
00:34:23,350 --> 00:34:25,900
I'm ordering you
committed to the custody
613
00:34:26,100 --> 00:34:27,180
of the US Bureau of Prisons
614
00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:28,550
for a term of 15 years.
615
00:34:28,750 --> 00:34:30,556
- But I wasn't even there!
- [Judge Smith] Quiet.
616
00:34:30,580 --> 00:34:32,500
- I-I wasn't even there!
- [Judge Smith] Quiet!
617
00:34:32,690 --> 00:34:36,080
Livingstone Fagan, 40 years.
618
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,040
- Forty? What?
- [Dan] Your Honor,
619
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:40,790
there's no way this outcome
was the jury's intention.
620
00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:43,046
They made their intention
clear with their verdict.
621
00:34:43,070 --> 00:34:44,696
[Dan] You know what?
This isn't justice.
622
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:47,440
This is the government
demanding their pound of flesh.
623
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,170
They, they can't stand to
let our clients walk away
624
00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:52,306
and they're getting you
to do their dirty work.
625
00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:54,746
Another word and I will fine you
a thousand dollars, Mr. Cogdell.
626
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:56,410
I'm already broke.
You can't get blood
627
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:58,046
- from a stone.
- [Judge Smith] Don't be so sure.
628
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:59,216
That just cost you
a thousand dollars.
629
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:00,520
[Dan] People will remember this.
630
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,406
This will be the first line
on your obituary someday.
631
00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:03,736
Don't you wanna be on
the right side of this?
632
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,560
Another grand. The
next time you speak,
633
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,980
I will ask the
bailiff to remove you
634
00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:09,840
from the courtroom.
635
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,220
Okay, okay.
636
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:14,460
All right. Okay.
637
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:18,370
[Judge Smith] Furthermore,
Paul Fatta, Livingstone Fagan,
638
00:35:18,570 --> 00:35:21,060
and Ruth Riddle,
upon your release,
639
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:23,480
you must pay the US
government restitution
640
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,150
in the amount of $1,131,687...
641
00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:28,000
Oh, that is bullshit.
642
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,030
The people decided
this was wrong
643
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:32,070
that what the government
did was wrong.
644
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:34,680
If you answer that judgment
by steamrolling them,
645
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,706
you're just asking to
have this happen again!
646
00:35:36,730 --> 00:35:39,240
- I am applying the law.
- The law is supposed to be fair!
647
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,330
I decide what is fair!
648
00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:44,100
It is not my job to cater
to the moral fringe...
649
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:45,520
It's not your job
650
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,426
- to subvert the will of society!
- [Judge Smith] Bailiff, please
651
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:48,806
take Mr. Cogdell
out of my courtroom.
652
00:35:48,830 --> 00:35:50,860
Who got to you? We need
to be asking questions
653
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:52,070
about how this had to go.
654
00:35:52,270 --> 00:35:53,686
We need to question
the government...
655
00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:55,556
- Order! Order!
- And the people that made
656
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:57,280
the decisions that
led to this tragedy.
657
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,410
Who got to you? Who got to you?
658
00:35:59,610 --> 00:36:03,050
[Dramatic music plays]
659
00:36:07,890 --> 00:36:09,290
Ladies and gentlemen,
660
00:36:09,490 --> 00:36:11,246
my decision is made and
my decision is final.
661
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:13,820
- [gavel bangs]
- [Judge Smith] Court adjourned.
662
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:21,700
[Bill] Hell of a
case, wasn't it?
663
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,560
Are you here to rub it in?
664
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,290
Because I'm happy to add
an assault charge to this.
665
00:36:29,490 --> 00:36:32,210
No. No, I'm not here for that.
666
00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:35,130
You were a worthy opponent.
667
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:38,320
Well, that's a nice consolation,
668
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,490
seeing as the wheels of justice
669
00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:43,350
just ran right over my clients.
670
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,290
Everything I did
was above board.
671
00:36:47,490 --> 00:36:49,890
Oh, really? Even Jocelyn?
672
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,050
- Who?
- The pretty waitress at the bar.
673
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:54,650
Don't tell me she wasn't a spy.
674
00:36:54,850 --> 00:36:57,306
Well, I honestly don't know
what you're talking about.
675
00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:58,990
But if she was,
she wasn't with us.
676
00:36:59,190 --> 00:37:01,200
Man, what do you want?
677
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,440
I'd like to prosecute
the ATF for perjury.
678
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,860
And I could use someone
from outside the system
679
00:37:10,050 --> 00:37:11,250
to help me.
680
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:16,960
I might be able to make
a little time for that.
681
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:02,800
[birds chirping]
682
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:05,086
[David] You might think
that what you see here
683
00:38:05,110 --> 00:38:09,330
is a rundown old shell of
what this place used to be.
684
00:38:09,530 --> 00:38:12,060
But your eyes lie to you.
685
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:14,770
I alone see the truth.
686
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:18,530
This land right here
under your feet,
687
00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:21,070
it's not land at all.
688
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:22,780
It's a doorway
689
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:25,990
through which we will
change the whole world.
690
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:29,620
When I look around at
these old broken buildings,
691
00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:32,080
I see the building
blocks of one giant house
692
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,830
that we will build
right here together.
693
00:38:35,580 --> 00:38:39,960
One giant house that we will
all live in together as one.
694
00:38:41,170 --> 00:38:44,010
You believe it, don't you?
695
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:49,370
You believe it still.
696
00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:51,040
Don't you, Clive?
697
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,480
[Dramatic music plays]
698
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,020
Yes...
699
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:00,980
I do.
700
00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:15,290
So now the FBI's sending agents
to spy on us as we mourn?
701
00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:18,130
No. I'm not here for the FBI.
702
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:20,040
I'm here for me.
703
00:39:20,590 --> 00:39:22,920
I care about what
happened to you.
704
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:26,840
That's why I'm here today.
705
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,520
Maybe you could say some
words to that effect.
706
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,900
Okay.
707
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:46,400
I was the lead
negotiator here at Waco.
708
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,410
Sometimes I feel
like I never left.
709
00:39:52,450 --> 00:39:53,890
This place,
710
00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:55,950
these events...
711
00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:58,500
will stay with me forever.
712
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,380
Now, I know there may be
some of you here today
713
00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:04,450
and there's others that
believe that the FBI came here
714
00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:09,930
and just wanted to purposely
see everybody get killed.
715
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:13,220
We didn't want that.
716
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:17,890
None of us wanted that.
717
00:40:21,860 --> 00:40:25,320
So if we didn't want it
to turn out this way,
718
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,090
and neither did you,
719
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:29,680
then how could it,
720
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,070
when nobody wanted it?
721
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:34,770
A religious friend
of mine proposed once
722
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:38,130
that maybe it was evil
that made it happen.
723
00:40:38,330 --> 00:40:40,650
And I suppose he was right,
724
00:40:40,850 --> 00:40:44,340
but not necessarily
in the way he meant,
725
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,570
because I believe that
the whole idea of evil,
726
00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:53,430
it keeps us from
seeing a thing clearly.
727
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:55,870
It blinds us,
728
00:40:56,070 --> 00:41:00,520
because the evil is
never on our side.
729
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:03,190
It's always the other guys.
730
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:10,680
I think what's
closer to the truth
731
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,320
is that we were scared,
732
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,200
and you were scared.
733
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:20,110
And then we called you evil
734
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:21,420
and you called us evil,
735
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:24,630
and then we both stopped
seeing each other
736
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:27,000
and communicating.
737
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,630
And that's when
the tragedy came.
738
00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:35,910
And now, it keeps
me awake at night
739
00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:38,810
worrying that if we
cannot find a better way
740
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:41,290
to remember that,
that even though
741
00:41:41,490 --> 00:41:43,310
we might disagree
742
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:47,520
or be on opposite
sides of a thing,
743
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:51,860
we are all fallible people.
744
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:56,490
I make mistakes and so do you.
745
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:02,650
We're more the same
than we are different.
746
00:42:02,850 --> 00:42:05,880
A great divide
opened here among us
747
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,550
and I'm here today to
push against that divide.
748
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:11,590
And I hope...
749
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:16,220
that each and every one of you
can help me in that effort...
750
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:21,520
or I don't know
what will happen.
751
00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:29,930
[guard] Your last meal request.
752
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,240
Any particular channel?
753
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,530
Yeah.
754
00:42:36,740 --> 00:42:38,240
The news.
755
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,860
Miami Beach police are
looking for a man in his 20s.
756
00:42:45,060 --> 00:42:47,730
The shooting took place in
front of several witnesses.
757
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:50,050
[Clive] Please join us
for a moment of silence,
758
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:52,490
as we toll the bell one time
759
00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:55,050
for each life that was lost.
760
00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:04,600
[bell tolling]
761
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:14,150
[suspenseful music plays]
762
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:40,300
[grunts]
763
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:46,310
[sighs]
764
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:49,270
[police siren chirps]
765
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,650
[grunts]
766
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,490
[panicked breathing]
767
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:29,480
[kids singing indistinctly]
768
00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:59,090
[explosion roars]
769
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:02,740
[explosion rumbles]
770
00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:06,350
[car alarm beeping]
771
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:13,730
[dog barking in distance]
772
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,860
[suspenseful music plays]
773
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:30,120
- [people screaming]
- [car horns honking]
774
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,780
[people screaming]
775
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:43,220
[sirens approaching]
776
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,260
[dramatic music plays]
777
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:56,460
[applause]
778
00:47:00,550 --> 00:47:03,710
[cheering, whistling]
779
00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,270
[President Clinton on radio]
The bombing in Oklahoma City
780
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:57,540
was an attack on
innocent children
781
00:47:57,740 --> 00:47:59,730
and defenseless citizens.
782
00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:05,320
It was an act of
cowardice, and it was evil.
783
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:08,830
The United States
will not tolerate it,
784
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and I will not allow the
people of this country
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to be intimidated
by evil cowards.
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I have met with our team
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00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:21,050
which we assembled to
deal with this bombing,
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and I have determined to
take the following steps
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to ensure the strongest
response to this situation.
790
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:29,450
First, I have deployed
a crisis-management team
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00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:32,270
under the leadership of the FBI,
792
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:35,890
working with the
Department of Justice...
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[Theme music plays]
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