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well joining me now to discuss the
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conflict in Israel and Gaz it's a TV
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host in Satur is Bassam youf Bassam it's
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great to have you back on the program I
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wish it was under different
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circumstances um first of all what is
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your reaction to What happened on
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October the
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7th oh it was terrible of course I mean
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we kind of get our news kind of also
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secondhand because you know my my wife's
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family they live in Gaza they they have
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uh cousins and uncles there um and uh
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their house also was bombed we haven't
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been able to communicate with them for
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the past three days communication are
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lost so we don't know actually what is
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the uh how is like how are they're doing
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but you know we used to that I mean it's
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it just like it's it's it's very
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repetitive we used to that we used to
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them being bombed every time and moving
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from one place to the other uh you know
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it's just like those Palestinians
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they're very dramatic ah Israel killing
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us but they never die I mean they always
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come back you know they they're very
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difficult to kill very difficult people
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to kill I know because I'm married to
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one I tried many times couldn't kill her
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I mean there's a dark humor there and I
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understand why because no it's not dark
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humor I really I try to get to her every
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time but she uses our kids as human
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Shields I can never take her
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out again I understand the the humor but
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I to be serious basam about this tonight
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there is okay I will be serious no I I I
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I will be serious I was watching your
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interview with Ben Shapiro and I'll will
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tell you one thing I think that Ben
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Shapiro is one of the smartest people
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who ever walked this Earth he's very
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very smart I follow him and I believe
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everything he said and when he came out
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on your show his solution was and I
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quote his solution was that the solution
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for this is for Israel to Annex Gaza and
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to kill as many son of [ __ ] as
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possible to make sure that this will
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never happen again and anyone anyone who
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call for a ceasefire will be a terrorist
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Sy Aizer so God forbid I don't want to
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be labeled as a terrorist sympathizer so
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I agree with Ben shapir I think we
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should kill as many son of [ __ ] as
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possible let
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me so far 3,500 people were killed
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including 5,000 son of [ __ ] in the
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bombing of the Baptist uh uh uh hospital
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as we speak right now onethird of those
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3,500 were children so my question to
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Ben Shapiro is how many more son of
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[ __ ] do we need to kill so Beno is
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happy because it changes from changes
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from I'm I'm I'm sorry that list I'm I'm
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I'm I'm really at a disadvantage here
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I'm looking at a camera I don't see you
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I can hear you on my the reason I'm
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interrupting is I think you might be I
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think I think you're conflating
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different interviews with Ben Shapiro he
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didn't use the phrase sons of [ __ ]
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with me let me play to you what he
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actually said on my did he did he did go
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back go back to your interview he didn't
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that was another interview but let me
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play what he said to me
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here well I frankly I I don't believe in
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proportionate response to terrorism I
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believe that the way that you stop
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terrorism is with wildly
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disproportionate response that doesn't
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mean in terms of targeting civilians it
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means in terms of killing as many
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terrorists as humanly possible and
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allowing them to dictate the terms of
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Engagement by hiding behind civilians in
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areas that that they are supposedly
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responsible for means that the only
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option for Israel is to surrender to
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hamas's hatred of its own citizens its
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willingness to use its own children as
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human Shields no no country worth it
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salt could ever do that now that is sign
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substantively different to what you said
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he said right he's talking there
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specifically about I agree I I I agree
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with him the the thing is the question
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is what is a proportionate response
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because it has been different from one
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tier to other so if you look to this
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graph for example this is the death of
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Israeli and Palestinians and it's
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changing from one year to year it's like
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fluctuating like crypto so my question
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is today what is the going rate today
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for human lives I mean 2014 was a great
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year for Ben Shapiro 88 Israelis were
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died and there was 2,000 329
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Palestinians killed on the other side
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that is one Israeli for 27 Palestinian
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that is a very good exchange rate what
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I'm saying is what is the exchange rate
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for today so you guys will be happy
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that's my question well it's not me it's
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not me guys I I I'm not on either side
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no no not you like when I say you guys I
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say like the people on the other side of
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that I know that you you don't think
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like that appear you one of the good
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guys but let me tell you something I
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mean I'm the reason that I'm I'm using
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this is that I mean I I can't remember
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what happened in 2014 and there was no
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music festival but there there must be
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something I mean they must do something
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it is their fault it has to be something
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I mean 2018 300 Palestinian died ah
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who's counting you know so the thing is
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what my question is let's find what is
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the exchange rate for human life today
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so we know expect the future death of
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Palestinians and will be happy to it my
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my response to that would be this B I
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thought carefully about this because I
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think I think it's very tricky for
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people like me to immerse ourselves into
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a conflict where we're not directly
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involved and I thought carefully about
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what I feel about this I feel that the
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scale of what Hamas did on October the
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7th supersedes anything else I've seen
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in this conflict really ever that the
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the savagery The Butchery the slaughter
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of 1300 people the shooting of babies
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the kidnapping a grandmother and so on
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so if if we can agree on that which I
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think is inarguable then the question
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then becomes again about proportion I I
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don't disagree that there's been a lot
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of bad stuff on both sides going back
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historically for decades but if we agree
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that this was on a different level altoe
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quite deliberately by Hamas designed
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designed to provoke designed to here's
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my question let me ask you a question
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and and the question you you raised it
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earlier about proportion I honestly
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don't know what the proportionate
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response is uh I I honestly don't I I
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don't I've been watching the air strik
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we question well I was ask I well I
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would ask you if you were
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Israel what would you was Israel if you
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were Israel and that had happened to you
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what would you think would be the
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appropriate way for the country to
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respond I would do exactly like Israel
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did Kill as many people as possible
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since the the the word is letting me do
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it I mean I I can do it because I can
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you know but the thing is you know what
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I agree with you and you know what I'm
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going to be even ahead of you because I
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see the question coming do you condemn
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hamz for the atro yes I condemn Hamas I
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condemn Hamas I condemn Hamas is the
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source of all evil there for and you
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know what let's for a minute imagine a
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world without Hamas right what will this
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word look like let's give this word a
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name and let's name this word the West
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Bank Hamas has absolutely no control in
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the West Bank and since the beginning of
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this only through August 37 Palestinian
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kids were killed no music festival no
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paragliding no Hamas since the
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occupation of the the West Bank 7,000
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Palestinians were killed no music
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festival no paragliding no Hamas I can
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go on and on and on and on no no but you
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don't you don't need to because in a way
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in a way you're preaching to the choir
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i' I follow this crisis Oh no you're not
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preaching so the thing is like I in
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sense I know I know that what you're
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saying has validity of course of course
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Pier Pierce by the way Pierce Pierce
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Pierce I am at a disadvantage here I can
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hear you I cannot see you I am in a
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don't interrupt me and interrupt my
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points sure so because this this this
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has to be fair because if you want to
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only hear your opinion I can just
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condemn ham and go home I can do that so
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if do you want to do that or do you have
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a much more Nuance conversation no I
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absolutely want to have a Nuance
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conversation I wasn't aware I was
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interrupting you I thought I was let
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amazing so let's I mean I mean I would
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say I would say I really applaud Israel
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for doing one thing that no military
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force in the word does because I heard I
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heard Ben Shapiro and I heard Ronda
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santis and they said said they said
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Israel is the only military force in the
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world that warns civilians before
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bombing them I mean how [ __ ] cute
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that is so nice of them because with
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this logic if Russian troops started
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warning ukrainians before bombing their
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houses we're cool with Putin right I
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mean okay Habibi you have warned them go
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invade it's fine you have done your job
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I mean the thing is and I understand and
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I also heard Ben Shapiro talking about
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uh about human she so you remember my
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wife's family they live in Gaza so I
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asked them I told them when Israel give
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you the nice warning the cute warning
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does Hamas force you to stay in your
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home so you can be bombed and use a as
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as human shield you know what Hassen
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here my my wife's uh my wife's cousin
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he's a he's he's a loser you know he he
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told me you know when I asked him does
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that happen he told me no the lying son
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of a [ __ ] lied to me I told him you
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don't understand Ben Shapiro and R the
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santis keep saying that Israel warns you
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and Hamas ask you to keep to stay put so
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I I I told you he's a loser he never
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kept a job he even like failed in all of
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the interviews to become like a human
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shield I I I would believe Ben shapir so
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let's go with that no no no let's no no
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let me ask at some point I must be able
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to ask you questions it's not we age if
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we agree if we agree the the 14,000
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casualties I mean who's counting are
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human shield does that mean that every
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single one of those civilians was
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standing obscuring a military Target
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behind them because that's a lot of
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weapons I mean Hamas is packing no of
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course it doesn't and look I you know so
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so so there is some collateral damage
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lots of collateral damage yes it's fine
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yeah you kill you kill some to save some
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and then kill some more yeah I agree
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yeah yeah yeah I agre I would let me ask
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you this again it comes back to
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proportionate response when the world
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when the world decided it had to get rid
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of Isis because of the appalling
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Butchery they were carrying out uh it
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did so by by also killing very sadly a
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lot of civilians along the way by doing
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air strikes against places which killing
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civilans are inevitable you said that in
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the beginning it's inevitable but once
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Israel once Israel has decided that they
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want to get rid of Hamas and Hamas is
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embedded with civilian population I'm
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very concerned about what's going to
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happen next I've written a column
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tonight saying I remember the Iraq which
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I opposed right I remember all this so
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my question to you is I know what would
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be what would you think would be in
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response by Israel to what happened well
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well the these are years of
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disproportionate responses of Israel did
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it solve the solution did it solve the
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problem did did it work before so it
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will what what will be the surprise this
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time what will be the twist that will
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make this work this time what what will
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be different this time seriously I mean
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like this is only the last 15 years I
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mean because it's too too many papers I
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just got this but what how will this
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will be different and the thing is it I
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am so glad in the introduction that you
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mentioned the Iraq War I applaud you
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pierce for saying that because you were
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honest about it you said that spreading
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lies like wmds make people look at those
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people as less of humans and they would
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accept the death of a million Iraqi
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whether by sh sanctions or by Invasion
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right you are you you are a good man
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this is amazing and you know what is
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similar is when you spread the lies of
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40 decapitated babies although it was
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refuted so what happened happens when
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people hear that you know killing babies
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is horrible but when you say decapitated
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40 babies you are planting a certain
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image trigger in people's mind who has
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said that who has said 4 who said that
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you said 40 decapitated who has said
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that you have you have repeat no no I
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haven't what I've never said that you
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haven't said on your show 40 decapitated
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babies never Ben shapir didn't say it
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Ronda Sanz didn't say it nobody has said
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okay P nobody said it no oh okay okay
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maybe I am wrong decapitated here the
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you're wrong I've never said that the
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thing what happened what yeah well no
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you're you're wrong but the thing is
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when Iraq the thing is the same thing is
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happening in Iraq Ben Shapiro once
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tweeted not even about Gaza about the
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West Bank when Israel continued to build
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the illegal setem he said 2017 Israel
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likes to build things and Arabs not
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Palestine not Hamas Arabs like the bomb
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crap and live in open sewage yeah I
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thought that was very very the Israeli
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the Israeli defense the isra defense
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minister he said those are human animals
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and the thing is Ben shapir should know
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better because you know long before the
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Holocaust before Jewish people were
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thrown in the gas
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Chambers the Nazi propaganda called them
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rats now as a human being I will never
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accept that another human being being
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thrown in a into a g chamber but a rat
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kill 10 kill a th000 3,500 they are son
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of aitu they are human animals who live
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in open seage and decapitate babies and
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because of that propaganda Mr Morgan
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that guy in Illinois the 71 years old
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guy he killed stabbing the six years old
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Palestinian kid in Ino 26 times and he
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used to play with him they used to be
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friends but he went in marching into
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their apartment stabbing his mother and
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killing him shouting all Muslims could
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die it took you 8 years to change one
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word from Jewish to Muslim and then you
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transferred your guilt to us and took
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away our land let me ask let me ask you
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a question that deal sucks man let me
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ask you a question uh how do we get from
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where we are now to
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peace well first of all you need to
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change the perception uh Nikki Haley the
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American presidential candidate said we
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are in Israel in this because it's a
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fight between EV good and evil now if
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you already decided someone is good he
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can do no evil and if you decid that
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someone is evil it's good to kill them
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killing them is good you see the thing
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is it is it is not like something new I
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mean I I I look at history and I see I'm
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sorry to say and I'm sorry to say this
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but westerners has always dealt like
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this with indigenous people you first
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treated them like Savages you know
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Native American First Nation Aboriginal
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they're Savages kill all the Savages and
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then when they're almost extinct you
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start feeling sorry for them you know
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like animals so maybe maybe the solution
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is that we kill as many pal Ians as
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possible so the few of them that remains
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do not bother you and
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maybe for another years become a tree
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hugger let me just challeng you on this
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and he will campaign for for preserving
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the keep talking about westerners like
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me okay so let me return the favor okay
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Hamas is dedicated to the complete
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eradication of Jewish people I am not
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the spokesman for ham why do you why do
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you spokesman [ __ ] hate them [ __ ]
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H are you happy you're missing my point
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you're talking in a generalized way
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about people in the west who always talk
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about Arabs as Savages I don't no no no
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I'm
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talking the campaign I led the media
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campaign in this country against the
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Iraq War okay so I don't see I don't see
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people in the Middle East Savages say
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the goodes but what I say talking about
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you you're great no no it's not about me
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being it's about it's about the way Hass
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behaved on October the 7th was like
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Savages like a pack of savages it was
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the worst atrocity against Jewish people
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the Holocaust there has to be of course
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there has to be a response and my
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question beic my question for you ising
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the history B what is the proportionate
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response but I don't know but there's no
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Hamas in the West Bank and they're still
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dying there so what's your excuse I
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don't have any
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excuse okay what's what's your
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explanation sorry sorry uh my earpiece
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went down I I listen I don't make any
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pretense that this hasn't been a massive
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problem okay between Palestine and
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Israel going back to the mid-40s we all
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know this right I I'm I'm I'm yeah yeah
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yeah Pierce Pierce Pierce listen I'm not
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saying that you're making excuse but if
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you are adopting a certain point of view
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you have to at least defend it I'm
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telling you there is no Hamas in the
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West Bank what is what is the excuse not
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your excuse what is the accuse to kill
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those
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people well it's listen this question of
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proportionality is one that no no no
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answer my question I've been answering
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your question you answer mine it's
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actually not my job to answer your
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questions it's not okay not your not
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your job I I I agree with you I'm more
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interested in you who has family in Gaza
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I'll who's an Egyptian in the Middle
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East right I'm more interested in what
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you have to say okay I'm telling you I'm
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telling you I think Hamas is the problem
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okay now let's say Hames is removed
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let's ham yeah I I I'm agreeing with
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everything about you want me to go ham I
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will condemn ham H Hass everybody guys
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so wait I can't hear you the uh the
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earpiece damn okay
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oops okay yeah uh I I do need I think I
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think just go back is he there you go
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back you go back go back okay go thank
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you guys can you hear B yeah yeah now I
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can hear so here's the thing can you
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hear okay so Isa let's say for example
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Hamas ceased to exist okay do you hear
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me yes yeah Hamas ceased to exist today
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now right now in Palestine in West Bank
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and and uh and Gaza 20% of Palestinians
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go through Israeli prison system whether
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imprisonment whether interrogation
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whether torture and the rest of them
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they live a life of daily loss of land
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of homes of life and they are they are
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suffocated by the so let me ask you
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something if you are a Palestinian
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living into these conditions for decades
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would you would you sympathize with your
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oppressor or sympathize with the people
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who claim they resist them even if they
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are terrorist I have made I have made no
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secret that I think the conditions
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Palestinians have had to exist under are
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completely unacceptable I've said that
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for years so the question then becomes
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how do you forge peace between two
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Waring parts of that region who for
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decades have approached peace in my view
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with Mutual sledgehammers with no actual
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desire to have peace and I think it
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comes down in the end to great
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leadership and I I don't think there's
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great I don't think well hang on let me
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make my point I don't think there's
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great leadership on either side where is
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the Nelson Mandela figure here to come
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through all this
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nelsonon Mandel is that nson
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Mandela NE Nelson Mandela actually have
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criticized Israel for being a horrible
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State all of the South African activist
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have actually isra my point is how he
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how he responded to a country that was
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so divided is a temp is a temp is a
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template for how you get to peace isn't
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it I I I I haven't met Danon Mandela so
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I wouldn't know but like I I I there is
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a point there's a there's a very
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important Point here you know I want to
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understand what is the logic of Israel
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carpet bombing Gaza I mean if there's a
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logic if there's a good if this will
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make Israel safe I want to hear the
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logic so if they continue bombing what
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are they hoping to achieve we know what
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their we know what their stated aim is
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their stated aim is to eradicate and
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wipe out Hamas they believe Hamas are
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living are living predominantly in
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Northern Gaza they also are aware
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they're living amongst civilians so it's
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an incredibly difficult thing as I said
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as I said in my mon you know it is very
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very difficult to see how they do this
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without massive collateral damage so if
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I can understand this correctly
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basically Israel is doing this to
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pressure the Palestinian community in
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Gaza to turn against Hamas is that right
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I'm sure that's part of it yes that's
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part of it so this is exactly what
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terrorist organization do because
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terrorist organizations will have no
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chance beating a whole nation in battle
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so they terrorize and they kill the
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civilians in order to spread fear and
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Terror so they can turn against their
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government to change their policy or to
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resign you have just compared Israel
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with Isis no I haven't I don't I don't
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see any comparison between it's going to
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be the headlines tomorrow p is Isis only
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amongst people who weren't listening the
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comparison which is more apite is Isis
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and Hamas they are both nistic Terror
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groups intent on killing as many Jewish
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people and others as they can possibly
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kill and you can't you can't you can't
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get people like that absolutely you know
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what I'm going to do something that
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nobody done on your television you know
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what I'm going to do on your episode I'm
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going to do I'm going to pretend that
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I'm an Israeli citizen I'm going to put
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my my myself in the in the place of an
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Israeli settler in the kaputs and I want
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to speak to my prime minister Benyamin
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Netanyahu Mr bamin Netanyahu I have
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voted for you because you have promised
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us peace and prosperity and security on
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the 7th of October those son of bites
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Hamas they went into defense that is
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regularly heavy heavily guarded usually
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if there's like a a dove that comes
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close to it it will be shot those people
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went in and they went for 6 hours before
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IDF forces was deployed killing our
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friends our families kidnapping our
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grandmothers and babies and went in I
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want to ask you Mr Prime Minister after
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you have fractured the Israeli community
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and you have [ __ ] our courts our
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Supreme Courts what are you doing with
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the money being given to you to the
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United States also you are carpet
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bombing Gaza with absolutely no regard
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to our hostages our people I heard a
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rumor in the kapo
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that you're doing that as an you let
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that happen to as an excuse to carpet
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bomb Gaza so you push them into Sinai
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and I didn't believe that I like not my
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prime minister he can never do that and
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then I watched an interview for Danny
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Alon he was your Chief advisor he was
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also the Israeli ambassador to the
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United States and you know what he said
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Mr Prime Minister he said that the
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solution for those Palestinians is to go
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into a vast land of Sinai and live into
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10 cities temporarily huh temporary wink
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wink until we build Gaza again and then
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we invite you
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back we've seen this movie before so
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yeah and I and when I saw this I
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couldn't explain to my fellows in the
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Kuts how come our Israeli government is
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trading human lives for another piece of
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land so as an Israeli citizen I need to
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hold my Israeli government accountable
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and as an American citizen I want to
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know all of these money that we are
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giving to Israel we giving them $4
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billion every year Joe Biden said it's
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the best investment they ever America
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ever done well I if I am in the in the
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place of Joe Biden I would say sorry
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don't speak
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uh I I would I would say if I was Joe
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Biden I would go down and whisper in the
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ears of Netanyahu and tell them I hate
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bad Investments they haunt me you know
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like little finger in Game of Thrones
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but the thing is the thing is this is
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the problem Israel always victimizes
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itself and I have never seen a victim
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putting their oppressor Under Siege and
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24/7 Israel wants you to believe that
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they are the victim is dealing with
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Israel is so difficult it's like being
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in a relationship with a narcissistic
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psychopath he [ __ ] you up and then he
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makes you think it's your fault you look
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at Israel as Superman but they're really
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homelander they are like they they are
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shooting and they are annoyed with the
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splashes bass I want to say two things
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one if you could just slightly man your
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language we are uncensored but if you
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keep swearing Sor we have to apologize
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to viewers you may be offended by that I
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apologize I understand passion Run High
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so let's not get too bogged down about
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the odd swe I apologize to the viewers I
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apologize to the viewers for my language
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my second question is this after site of
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of dead civilian after the break we have
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the managing director of The Daily wire
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which is Ben Shapiro's company we were
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going to interview him on his own but
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he's happy to come on and talk with you
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directly if you are prepared to
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stay well of course I I I can stay but
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again I am [ __ ] this I am in a
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disadvantage and I would like to have my
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space to respond okay we'll come back
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after the break I I because because
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here's the thing there we got to go to a
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break when we come back from the break
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be you and Jeremy B my my I have news
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we're taking a short break B I'll be
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back welcome back toon for more on the
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situation in Israel I'm joined now by
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the CEO and co-founder of the daily wi
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Ben Shapiro's partner Jeremy boring uh
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Jeremy thank you very much indeed for
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joining me I'm sorry we demoted you
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earlier to M MD you are the CEO and Co
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co-founder uh you know Ben Shapiro
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better than anyone really I did a big
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interview with Ben obviously the other
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night um which went around the world um
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and has sparked a big reaction including
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from uh Our Guest Bassam Yousef who's
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still with us first of all you've been
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listening to to Bassam and what he's
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been saying what's your
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response well first of all I make it a
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point not to speak for Ben Shapiro he's
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got a 20 IQ points on me and speaks for
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a living professionally so he's much
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better prepared to defend himself but as
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his business partner as his best friend
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I I do feel like I have to respond to
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the things that bosam was just saying
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first of all the question of how many
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sons of [ __ ] have to be killed in
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order to end this conflict I suppose
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that the answer is as many of them as it
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takes that doesn't mean that I or Ben or
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any decent person in their right mind is
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happy with the killing of civilians uh I
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posted at the very beginning of this
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conflict that a a woman or a child blown
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apart in Gaza is just as tragic as a
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Jewish baby killed in one of the
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settlements that doesn't mean that
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Israel's actions and the actions of
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Hamas are morally equivalent you know
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the tragedy is the tragedy but the moral
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equivalency is nonsense if you if you
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entered Israel with the express purpose
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of targeting and murdering civilians
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with your own hands and cold blood that
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is not comparable to Israel bombing
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Targets in the Gaza Strip and killing
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civilians as a terrible tragic
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consequence war war is terrible war is
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an awful thing that's why decent people
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don't lightly engage in War and why
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hamash should not have incited this war
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you know we can talk about the history
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of the Israeli conflict I'm not a
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professional political commentator I'm a
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I'm a CEO I'm a screenwriter uh and I'm
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certainly not Ben Shapiro I'm not here
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to discuss the history of the Israeli
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Palestinian conflict but we all saw what
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happened on October 7th and the idea
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that Israel was not going to react
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severely to that or that Israel should
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not react severely to that is ludicrous
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and
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Theo should be a moderating voice that
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bapiro should be what saying no Israel
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should not respond in this situation
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that's nonsense let me ask you though
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Jeremy what I mean the question which I
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think is the big question what is a
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proportionate response to that outrage
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on October the 7th which is the worst
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attack on Jewish people since the
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Holocaust what is proportionate if it's
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true as reports are suggesting tonight
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that there may have been a hospital hit
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by an Israeli strike and up to 500
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people or more have died that would seem
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to me if that is verified and it's not
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verified yet you know we don't know
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exactly what has happened other than
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there's been a hit on this hospital but
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if that is verified to have been an
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Israeli strike that will strike many
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people as disproportionate certainly
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well first of all I don't know what a
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proportionate response is or why we
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would want it I suppose a proportionate
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response would be for 3,000 Israelis to
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go through the fence gun down innocent
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Palestinian women and children burn
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their bodies burn them alive take
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hostages rape their women no one wants a
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proportionate response no no moral
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person could possibly call for a
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proportionate response the purpose of
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war is to defeat your enemy the West has
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in my lifetime forgotten the purpose of
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War because the true cost of war is so
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terrible the last time the West engaged
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in war and won it was World War II and
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they did it through incredible brutality
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they did it by bringing their enemies to
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heal that is not a thing to that's not a
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thing to rah rah about that's not a
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thing to look forward to as I said all
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decent people should avoid war but I
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think the sort of lie of the post World
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War II the post-war consensus lie is
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that somehow War uh in which you kill a
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bunch of people and don't secure Victory
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is morally Superior to war where you do
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secure Victory I would say that the only
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way to morally justify a war is to win
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it otherwise your AR the very argument
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that brought you into the war this enemy
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must be defeated ends up being proven a
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lie I mean Afghanistan I think America
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had every right to go into Afghanistan
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uh the Taliban was harboring Osama Bin
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Laden and al- Qaeda al- Qaeda flew
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planes into buildings in the United
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States killed thousands of our citizens
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uh brought the nation into Untold Agony
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pain and horror America had every right
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morally to go in and destroy the Taliban
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and Destroy al- Qaeda but I would argue
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the Taliban now but the Taliban now
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rules in Afghan the war was not won but
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that's my point actually I've done a
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column about this tonight uh for the sun
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here in the UK which is I I was editor
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of a newspaper when the Iraq War
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happened I uh opposed it very
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aggressively as the editor of paper um
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and sadly we were born out by events it
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was a complete disaster the Iraq War in
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my view it was illegally contested I
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think um and the consequences were
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appalling in terms of loss of life a
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million people in terms of Isis being
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allowed to breed and create their merry
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hell around the world in terms of
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complete dismantlement of of Iraq itself
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as a as a functioning country uh and I
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think Afghanistan again 20 years of you
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know attacking an enemy which is now
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running the country again seemed to me
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again to be kind of pointless and I do
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Wonder
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whether Israel in its Blind Fury which I
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completely understand has thought
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through the consequences of actually
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launching a full air ground and sea
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offensive into Gaza as to actually what
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happens at the end of that well I
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suppose Israel wasn't really given the
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opportunity to fully contemplate what
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the consequences of that action might be
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because Israel didn't instigate this war
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this war was instigated by a horrible
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terrorist attack on Israel and a state
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is put in a position where it has to
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respond now one might argue that the
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very fact that Israel has yet to
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actually launch their ground Invasion
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means that they are actually making a
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calculation about what the cost will be
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what victory looks like any rational
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person any decent person can engage in a
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conversation about what is the
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appropriate response for Israel of
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course they can but this sort of moral
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equivalency thing I don't think is a
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sign of decency to engage in a
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conversation about moral equivalency let
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me bring uh bassim back in you've been
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listening to this bassim what's your
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response to what Jeremy's been say I'm
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I'm sorry I didn't catch the gentleman's
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name it's Jeremy boring he's the chief
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executive of the daily wire co-founder
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with Ben Shapiro of a Del wire hi Jeremy
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please say hello to Ben Shapiro and
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please tell him that I do think he is
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the smartest person to ever walk the
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earth thank you so much so as response
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to Jeremy uh I I I I I agree with
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everything you said I mean what is
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disproportionate I mean that you he just
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used the uh examples from second world
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war and America showing that civilian
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casualty is a I mean I I heard his voice
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he was very sad and he as he was telling
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us it is so inevitable to kill so many
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civilians because it's something that we
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cannot avoid I hear the sadness in his
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voice and I know that it's a very
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difficult decision to kill all of these
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civilians because that's for a higher
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cast and I understand but my question I
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I have two questions the question is how
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can you justify The Killing In The West
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Bank where Hamas does not exist and if
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the disproportionate response
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during the all of these years have
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actually worked what will be new this
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time that did not happen before I just
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want to that that that was my question
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that was my question I'm so so so now so
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now now if I ask the question can I can
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I say something on my side a little B
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with respect personal Bassam with
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respect I gave you half the show to have
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your side Jeremy's had a lot less time
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uh I'm going to have to you want me to
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I'm going to have to I'm going to have
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to let you go because been on there with
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you for 40 minutes okay bye bye but
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listen bye bye I'd like to talk to you
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again and thank you for joining the
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program I appreciate it oh by by by the
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way my my my wife's family is is all
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right and they send us a house it's it's
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bombed it's beautiful it's it's going to
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be a good uh uh like Halloween theme so
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well I'm very sorry for what your family
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are going through in Gaza and I mean
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very by the way I don't know I I don't
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know my I don't know him by the way I
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don't I haven't actually met them they
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didn't even come to my wedding they
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couldn't because they are stuck in Gaza
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and she never saw them because you know
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Gaza is not a destination
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we hear their voices and it's they they
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die it's fine it's fine bassim I wish
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your family all the very best thank you
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for joining me I appreciate it I I don't
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thank
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you
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