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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:11,339 --> 00:00:15,543 ♪ MTV 4 00:00:43,237 --> 00:00:46,307 We shouldn't concentrate too much on superstar, you know? 5 00:00:48,609 --> 00:00:50,578 It's a very dangerous thing to talk about. 6 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:54,915 I know--I know a lot of superstars... 7 00:00:55,015 --> 00:00:57,050 - Yeah. - And I look back 8 00:00:57,150 --> 00:00:59,287 and I see--I don't see them now, you know? 9 00:00:59,387 --> 00:01:01,088 So the same could happen with us. 10 00:01:03,757 --> 00:01:05,993 ♪ Girl, you know it, girl, you know it ♪ 11 00:01:06,093 --> 00:01:08,195 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 12 00:01:15,936 --> 00:01:18,339 Milli Vanilli, the striking European duo, 13 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:20,741 has made it big in America. 14 00:01:20,841 --> 00:01:23,877 First album went six times platinum in 1989. 15 00:01:23,977 --> 00:01:25,913 It's quite a weird story. 16 00:01:26,013 --> 00:01:27,381 One minute, Milli Vanilli were there... 17 00:01:27,481 --> 00:01:28,716 - Milli Vanilli. - Milli Vanilli. 18 00:01:28,816 --> 00:01:29,750 - Milli-- - Milli-- 19 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:31,819 - Milli-- - Vanilli! 20 00:01:31,919 --> 00:01:33,287 And the next minute, they weren't. 21 00:01:38,892 --> 00:01:41,228 New weasel boys of the record world. 22 00:01:41,329 --> 00:01:45,032 Everybody participated, but they were the scapegoats. 23 00:01:45,132 --> 00:01:48,602 Record companies are oddly silent on the whole issue. 24 00:01:48,702 --> 00:01:50,971 People don't understand 25 00:01:51,071 --> 00:01:54,007 the machine that is underneath a pop act. 26 00:01:54,107 --> 00:01:57,110 We want to say thank you to our producer. 27 00:01:57,210 --> 00:01:59,012 The evil genius, I guess we could call him. 28 00:01:59,112 --> 00:02:01,515 If it wasn't for him, this would not even take place. 29 00:02:01,615 --> 00:02:02,916 You get something, 30 00:02:03,016 --> 00:02:04,952 but for that, you make a pact with the devil. 31 00:02:09,523 --> 00:02:10,458 Imagine you have everything... 32 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:15,228 The fame, the fortune. 33 00:02:15,329 --> 00:02:16,997 They were in a dream. 34 00:02:17,097 --> 00:02:18,966 And suddenly, everybody turns against you 35 00:02:19,066 --> 00:02:20,834 and you have nothing. Overnight. 36 00:02:22,403 --> 00:02:24,472 How do you handle that? 37 00:02:24,572 --> 00:02:26,774 It cost them everything. 38 00:02:26,874 --> 00:02:29,309 There is not another story like this 39 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:30,978 in pop music history. 40 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:34,908 It's been a while. 41 00:03:35,008 --> 00:03:37,044 Oh! 42 00:03:37,811 --> 00:03:41,048 Yeah, man, we were young and fresh, man. 43 00:03:41,148 --> 00:03:45,786 That's a normal tank top but I think he just pulled on it. 44 00:03:45,886 --> 00:03:48,722 You know, I mean, we were fashion forward. 45 00:03:54,127 --> 00:03:56,764 That was a big show in Germany. 46 00:03:56,864 --> 00:03:59,066 Yeah, that was a cool vibe. 47 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:04,037 Hmm. 48 00:04:05,372 --> 00:04:08,509 You know, Rob Pilatus doesn't look right in this photo. 49 00:04:08,609 --> 00:04:11,679 I can see the decline. 50 00:04:11,779 --> 00:04:15,382 'Cause that's not what Rob looked like 51 00:04:15,483 --> 00:04:17,885 or was supposed to look like. 52 00:04:17,985 --> 00:04:20,821 He was extremely strong, 53 00:04:20,921 --> 00:04:26,827 but you can tell that life took a toll on him. 54 00:04:35,268 --> 00:04:39,306 Becoming friends was inevitable. 55 00:04:42,142 --> 00:04:43,811 I grew up in Paris. 56 00:04:45,979 --> 00:04:52,686 When I turned 18, I went to Munich, Germany, 57 00:04:52,786 --> 00:04:54,755 ran out of money, 58 00:04:54,855 --> 00:05:00,093 ended up being homeless for a couple weeks. 59 00:05:00,193 --> 00:05:03,997 It was cold so I had to sleep in the train station, 60 00:05:04,097 --> 00:05:06,634 but I was able to get some jobs 61 00:05:06,734 --> 00:05:09,503 teaching classes with dance school, 62 00:05:09,603 --> 00:05:11,839 'cause that was my background in Paris. 63 00:05:13,306 --> 00:05:16,910 And then one day, I went to a party in Munich 64 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:19,479 and there he was, Mr. Rob Pilatus. 65 00:05:21,448 --> 00:05:22,883 He was a break-dancer. 66 00:05:22,983 --> 00:05:25,152 He was onstage doing the helicopter. 67 00:05:29,289 --> 00:05:30,490 At the end, 68 00:05:30,591 --> 00:05:32,560 when everybody gave him his props and everything, 69 00:05:32,660 --> 00:05:34,227 he saw me and he was like, 70 00:05:34,327 --> 00:05:36,897 "Who the hell are you? That's my turf!" 71 00:05:36,997 --> 00:05:38,498 Because there were not many Black people 72 00:05:38,599 --> 00:05:39,833 in Munich at the time. 73 00:05:42,202 --> 00:05:44,738 Rob and I were the only dark-skinned people. 74 00:05:44,838 --> 00:05:47,174 There were none. 75 00:05:47,274 --> 00:05:50,143 Rob was older than me by two years. 76 00:05:50,243 --> 00:05:51,645 He had an infectious laugh-- 77 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,649 Like, really loud, you know? 78 00:05:55,749 --> 00:05:57,150 I was socially awkward. 79 00:05:57,250 --> 00:06:01,221 You know, I was shy and I was not fluent in German. 80 00:06:01,321 --> 00:06:03,791 It was like big brother, little brother. 81 00:06:05,826 --> 00:06:08,428 He became my best friend. 82 00:06:08,528 --> 00:06:10,998 But I felt like there was something inside of him 83 00:06:11,098 --> 00:06:13,634 that was--that was missing. 84 00:07:16,764 --> 00:07:20,200 Every time we talked about that period of his life, 85 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:22,836 it was kind of like taboo, 86 00:07:22,936 --> 00:07:26,606 but I understood his pain. 87 00:07:26,707 --> 00:07:30,243 Growing up, my family was so dysfunctional. 88 00:07:30,343 --> 00:07:33,881 It was an abusive environment, 89 00:07:33,981 --> 00:07:37,617 and I ran away. 90 00:07:37,718 --> 00:07:39,953 So, just like me, 91 00:07:40,053 --> 00:07:41,689 he was looking for a family. 92 00:07:44,925 --> 00:07:49,629 We moved in together in an attic of a friend of his. 93 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:53,734 Rob would take the bed, I would take the sofa. 94 00:07:53,834 --> 00:07:56,636 But there was, like, a stereo system, 95 00:07:56,737 --> 00:07:58,505 and that thing was on all day. 96 00:08:01,274 --> 00:08:03,911 Music always pulled us together. 97 00:08:05,746 --> 00:08:07,647 We both liked dancing, 98 00:08:07,748 --> 00:08:10,217 we were very social people, 99 00:08:10,317 --> 00:08:12,585 so we started throwing parties together. 100 00:08:14,287 --> 00:08:15,622 And they were packed. 101 00:08:15,723 --> 00:08:17,524 The girls were beautiful. 102 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:19,126 You know, we had a DJ, 103 00:08:19,226 --> 00:08:21,461 and we brought the vibe. 104 00:08:23,030 --> 00:08:24,932 You know, a circle would be happening. 105 00:08:25,032 --> 00:08:26,967 Rob doing break dancing, and when he was done, 106 00:08:27,067 --> 00:08:29,036 I would come in and I would pop, lock, 107 00:08:29,136 --> 00:08:30,771 bam, bam, bam! 108 00:08:30,871 --> 00:08:33,373 And it brought a lot of attention. 109 00:08:33,473 --> 00:08:38,345 So we started doing shows in this club, Piantz. 110 00:08:38,445 --> 00:08:40,814 We loved to entertain people, like, 111 00:08:40,914 --> 00:08:43,483 make people like, "Aw, yeah!" 112 00:08:43,583 --> 00:08:46,219 We loved that energy, that roar, 113 00:08:46,319 --> 00:08:49,022 and we wanna do more of this. 114 00:08:49,122 --> 00:08:51,058 And the dream was to do what we did in the club, 115 00:08:51,158 --> 00:08:54,427 sing, perform, live the life, 116 00:08:54,527 --> 00:08:58,565 to become the biggest pop stars in the world! 117 00:08:58,665 --> 00:09:00,700 ♪ Hot girl, hot girl 118 00:09:00,801 --> 00:09:02,335 ♪ I'm satisfaction, baby 119 00:09:02,435 --> 00:09:04,271 ♪ Hot girl, hot girl 120 00:09:04,371 --> 00:09:07,040 We started dancing for this TV show. 121 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:08,441 ♪ Hot girl 122 00:09:08,541 --> 00:09:12,980 We danced behind pop stars of the '80s. 123 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,048 We ended up modeling as well. 124 00:09:16,683 --> 00:09:18,752 We did some catalog. 125 00:09:18,852 --> 00:09:21,588 We were making a lot of noise in Munich at that time, 126 00:09:21,688 --> 00:09:24,724 but it was like, how do we get to the next level? 127 00:09:26,626 --> 00:09:30,197 In order to become pop stars, we had to have the look, 128 00:09:30,297 --> 00:09:34,201 so we had to study what makes a superstar. 129 00:09:34,301 --> 00:09:36,937 And one thing we noticed was the hair. 130 00:09:38,338 --> 00:09:39,940 I know Elvis' hair. 131 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:41,541 I know Bob Marley's hair. 132 00:09:41,641 --> 00:09:44,377 Marilyn Monroe. Michael Jackson. 133 00:09:44,477 --> 00:09:47,214 You could put, like, a shadow, and you knew who that was. 134 00:09:47,314 --> 00:09:49,983 We were like, "Hell yeah, we're doing this." 135 00:09:50,083 --> 00:09:51,151 And the hair came... 136 00:09:51,251 --> 00:09:54,187 Like that. 137 00:09:54,287 --> 00:09:57,024 Hoo! The reactions were amazing. 138 00:09:57,124 --> 00:09:58,591 Every time we went to the clubs, 139 00:09:58,691 --> 00:10:01,628 girls loved the hair, loved the clothing-- 140 00:10:01,728 --> 00:10:03,030 they loved Rob and Fab. 141 00:10:03,130 --> 00:10:05,365 ♪ Go to the dance floor, dansez ♪ 142 00:10:05,465 --> 00:10:08,168 ♪ Voulez vous, dansez 143 00:10:08,268 --> 00:10:10,003 We put a band together, 144 00:10:10,103 --> 00:10:12,105 Empire Bizarre... 145 00:10:12,205 --> 00:10:14,007 ♪ Hey 146 00:10:14,107 --> 00:10:15,909 And we played a few gigs. 147 00:10:16,009 --> 00:10:17,777 We gave tapes to people. 148 00:10:17,878 --> 00:10:19,246 We knew we were gonna be big. 149 00:10:19,346 --> 00:10:20,480 ♪ Dansez 150 00:10:44,071 --> 00:10:45,805 Since we were spreading the word 151 00:10:45,906 --> 00:10:48,075 of us getting into the music industry, 152 00:10:48,175 --> 00:10:50,643 we were starting to get approached by people. 153 00:10:52,445 --> 00:10:55,748 So one day, this guy came to Rob and said, "Hey, you know, 154 00:10:55,849 --> 00:10:57,150 we're gonna connect you with Frank Farian." 155 00:10:59,552 --> 00:11:02,022 Rob played cool to the dude, 156 00:11:02,122 --> 00:11:04,391 but to me, he was like, "Oh, my God! 157 00:11:04,491 --> 00:11:07,427 Oh, Frank Farian! You know this?" I didn't know. 158 00:11:09,329 --> 00:11:11,598 Rob told me, "Hey, Frank Farian, 159 00:11:11,698 --> 00:11:13,133 he did Boney M." 160 00:11:13,233 --> 00:11:16,236 I was like, "Oh, wow, that's--that's big" 161 00:11:16,336 --> 00:11:19,306 because Boney M., obviously, was a huge group. 162 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:30,450 ♪ There lived a certain man in Russia long ago ♪ 163 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:34,922 ♪ He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow ♪ 164 00:11:35,022 --> 00:11:38,358 Boney M. were a big hit disco group in the '70s... 165 00:11:38,458 --> 00:11:39,659 Boney M.! 166 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:42,295 - And they were huge worldwide. - Huge! 167 00:11:42,395 --> 00:11:46,066 ♪ He could preach the Bible like a preacher ♪ 168 00:11:46,166 --> 00:11:47,667 ♪ Full of ecstasy 169 00:11:47,767 --> 00:11:49,436 Boney M. sold 80 million records. 170 00:11:49,536 --> 00:11:51,471 They had a number of number one hits. 171 00:11:51,571 --> 00:11:53,006 "Rivers of Babylon." 172 00:11:53,106 --> 00:11:54,507 - "Daddy Cool." - "Sunny." 173 00:11:54,607 --> 00:11:55,842 I love the song "Ma Baker." 174 00:11:55,943 --> 00:11:57,377 Ra, ra, Rasputin. 175 00:11:57,477 --> 00:12:01,014 ♪ Ra, ra, Rasputin, lover of the Russian queen ♪ 176 00:12:01,114 --> 00:12:03,716 A bananas song and it's about Rasputin. 177 00:12:03,816 --> 00:12:06,686 Mysterious figure in czarist Russia. 178 00:12:06,786 --> 00:12:08,288 When you watch video of Boney M. 179 00:12:08,388 --> 00:12:09,957 and you see Bobby Farrell, you're like, 180 00:12:10,057 --> 00:12:12,159 "Wow, that dude is awesome." 181 00:12:12,259 --> 00:12:14,227 It was on the radio, at parties. 182 00:12:14,327 --> 00:12:16,496 Boney M. made music that you could dance to 183 00:12:16,596 --> 00:12:19,632 and get drunk to and have fun. 184 00:12:19,732 --> 00:12:23,403 But how did you four people get together to form Boney M.? 185 00:12:23,503 --> 00:12:27,975 Well, it all came about from our producer Frank Farian. 186 00:12:31,144 --> 00:12:33,780 If you work with Frank Farian, 187 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,549 that's a high level guy. 188 00:12:36,649 --> 00:12:40,753 We realized that this could be the one we've been waiting for, 189 00:12:40,853 --> 00:12:42,622 so we went to Frankfurt. 190 00:12:46,459 --> 00:12:50,563 Frank Farian's compound was huge. 191 00:12:50,663 --> 00:12:52,932 And when they opened the door, 192 00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:57,170 we were greeted by all those gold records on the wall, 193 00:12:57,270 --> 00:12:59,472 and it was amazing. 194 00:12:59,572 --> 00:13:02,209 It was the kind of stuff that you saw with Quincy Jones. 195 00:13:04,277 --> 00:13:09,416 100 tracks, Neve console, microphones. 196 00:13:09,516 --> 00:13:12,419 It was incredible! 197 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,489 Frank and his secretary, Ingrid Segieth, 198 00:13:16,589 --> 00:13:18,658 they said, "We're working on a project 199 00:13:18,758 --> 00:13:20,827 and we're thinking that you could be good for it," 200 00:13:20,927 --> 00:13:22,495 if we were interested. 201 00:13:22,595 --> 00:13:25,698 Hell, yeah, we were interested. 202 00:13:25,798 --> 00:13:29,236 Ingrid brought in the recording contract, 203 00:13:29,336 --> 00:13:32,139 and we never really attempted to read it. 204 00:13:32,239 --> 00:13:36,876 We were not trying to say no to this powerful producer. 205 00:13:36,976 --> 00:13:40,947 Also, we would get, like, 1,500 deutschmark each, 206 00:13:41,048 --> 00:13:45,185 and we were like, "Oh, hell yeah. Where? OK." 207 00:13:48,321 --> 00:13:51,324 When we signed that contract, 208 00:13:51,424 --> 00:13:52,825 we toasted. 209 00:13:55,228 --> 00:13:56,996 We were, like, breaking bread. 210 00:13:59,132 --> 00:14:03,070 But then Frank leaned over to Rob and told him, 211 00:14:03,170 --> 00:14:06,005 "Don't fuck with me. 212 00:14:06,106 --> 00:14:07,940 Don't ever fuck with me." 213 00:14:15,382 --> 00:14:19,719 Several months went by. 214 00:14:19,819 --> 00:14:24,357 They never gave us any information. 215 00:14:24,457 --> 00:14:25,692 That was driving us crazy. 216 00:14:25,792 --> 00:14:27,627 Like, why don't they tell us, like, 217 00:14:27,727 --> 00:14:31,098 a date where we can come to do the vocals, 218 00:14:31,198 --> 00:14:34,134 or like, when do we get started? 219 00:14:37,270 --> 00:14:39,772 Finally, Ingrid called. 220 00:14:39,872 --> 00:14:42,509 "Come to studio. It's gonna be good." 221 00:14:42,609 --> 00:14:45,512 Oh, man, we were pumped. 222 00:14:45,612 --> 00:14:48,981 We went straight to the studio. 223 00:14:49,082 --> 00:14:52,018 And then once everyone is in the room, 224 00:14:52,119 --> 00:14:54,020 he plays a tune. 225 00:15:04,497 --> 00:15:08,801 I couldn't believe that this music was for us. 226 00:15:14,341 --> 00:15:15,442 I saw colors. 227 00:15:15,542 --> 00:15:18,311 I saw us onstage 228 00:15:18,411 --> 00:15:20,913 singing in front of a crowd. 229 00:15:21,013 --> 00:15:22,649 And then when the music stopped... 230 00:15:22,749 --> 00:15:25,352 It was like, wow. 231 00:15:25,452 --> 00:15:27,487 You could still hear those bells-- 232 00:15:27,587 --> 00:15:30,056 ding, ding, ding, ding. 233 00:15:32,292 --> 00:15:35,528 He turned, and then, 234 00:15:35,628 --> 00:15:38,498 you know, "folgen Sie mir." You know, "follow me." 235 00:15:42,269 --> 00:15:43,370 It felt serious. 236 00:15:45,772 --> 00:15:48,808 And then we end up in this dark room. 237 00:15:48,908 --> 00:15:52,479 Rob and Frank start talking really fast in German, 238 00:15:52,579 --> 00:15:54,947 so I can't really understand everything, 239 00:15:55,047 --> 00:15:57,617 but I can tell, like, it's getting intense. 240 00:15:57,717 --> 00:16:00,153 Like, they raise their voices. 241 00:16:00,253 --> 00:16:02,522 Rob is looking at me with his green eyes. 242 00:16:02,622 --> 00:16:04,090 Like, he looks pissed. 243 00:16:05,858 --> 00:16:08,995 Frank leaves and screams, 244 00:16:09,095 --> 00:16:11,764 and then Rob turns to me, saying, 245 00:16:11,864 --> 00:16:14,467 "They don't want us to sing on this record." 246 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:16,469 And I'm like, like-- 247 00:16:16,569 --> 00:16:18,405 So, I'm trying to speak. 248 00:16:18,505 --> 00:16:19,539 I'm trying to talk to him 249 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:20,907 and trying to get as much information, 250 00:16:21,007 --> 00:16:22,742 but he was like, "Just wait, wait. 251 00:16:22,842 --> 00:16:24,944 "They don't want us to sing! 252 00:16:25,044 --> 00:16:27,280 They want us to lip-sync the song." 253 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:28,748 I'm like, "What?" 254 00:16:28,848 --> 00:16:31,718 Why in the hell? Like, he's playing us a song. 255 00:16:31,818 --> 00:16:34,387 I'm trying to understand, like, what do you mean? 256 00:16:34,487 --> 00:16:35,955 I don't get it. 257 00:16:36,055 --> 00:16:38,090 And that's where I--I-- I black out. 258 00:16:43,196 --> 00:16:45,298 I remember thinking, "This is weird. 259 00:16:45,398 --> 00:16:47,900 Like, we don't want to lip-sync." 260 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,605 That's when Ingrid gave us the options. 261 00:16:54,207 --> 00:16:58,645 What she conveyed to us clearly is that 262 00:16:58,745 --> 00:17:02,682 we signed the contract, we got money-- 263 00:17:02,782 --> 00:17:06,052 if we didn't want to take part, 264 00:17:06,152 --> 00:17:08,421 we have to pay them back. 265 00:17:08,521 --> 00:17:10,089 But Ingrid said, 266 00:17:10,189 --> 00:17:13,192 "It's not just the advance that we paid you, 267 00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:15,194 "but also all the money that we gave you 268 00:17:15,295 --> 00:17:17,564 through the months." 269 00:17:17,664 --> 00:17:20,132 We developed a debt towards Frank Farian. 270 00:17:22,569 --> 00:17:25,037 We were scared as hell. 271 00:17:25,137 --> 00:17:28,541 I was 21 years old and Rob was 24. 272 00:17:32,312 --> 00:17:34,747 We had nowhere to go. 273 00:17:34,847 --> 00:17:37,684 So we thought, OK, it's one song. 274 00:17:37,784 --> 00:17:39,986 You do that and you're out. 275 00:17:56,736 --> 00:17:59,706 ♪ Sunny 276 00:17:59,806 --> 00:18:04,544 ♪ Yesterday, my life was filled with rain ♪ 277 00:18:04,644 --> 00:18:07,213 ♪ Sunny 278 00:18:07,314 --> 00:18:12,285 ♪ You smiled at me and really eased the pain ♪ 279 00:18:12,385 --> 00:18:13,586 ♪ Sunny 280 00:18:22,695 --> 00:18:25,532 Hold on. 281 00:18:25,632 --> 00:18:28,935 I should not be so funny. 282 00:18:29,035 --> 00:18:31,203 Serious. 283 00:18:34,341 --> 00:18:36,275 This is serious. 284 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:38,878 Thank you, schatzi. 285 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:41,481 Interview, "Milli." Take one. 286 00:18:41,581 --> 00:18:43,683 Camera A and B, mark. 287 00:18:43,783 --> 00:18:46,319 I've heard that the name Milli Vanilli 288 00:18:46,419 --> 00:18:47,887 is because of you. 289 00:18:47,987 --> 00:18:49,389 - Oh. - Is that true? 290 00:18:49,489 --> 00:18:50,657 That's true. 291 00:18:52,925 --> 00:18:55,027 I was Frank's girlfriend. 292 00:19:07,674 --> 00:19:11,143 I wrote the checks because I was the financial controller 293 00:19:11,243 --> 00:19:13,713 of Frank's company. 294 00:19:19,552 --> 00:19:20,853 When they came into the studio, 295 00:19:20,953 --> 00:19:23,155 they looked fantastic. 296 00:19:23,255 --> 00:19:26,292 I never saw people like that so well-dressed 297 00:19:26,393 --> 00:19:27,994 and good-looking and braids, 298 00:19:28,094 --> 00:19:30,663 and Rob's eyes, green-- 299 00:19:30,763 --> 00:19:32,465 You couldn't stop looking at him. 300 00:19:47,647 --> 00:19:50,917 But they were such good dancers. 301 00:20:01,728 --> 00:20:03,930 Frank needed American singer like me. 302 00:20:04,030 --> 00:20:05,465 He said, "I'm gonna make a project 303 00:20:05,565 --> 00:20:07,434 and you'll be the lead singer." 304 00:20:07,534 --> 00:20:09,068 I said, "OK, let's do it." 305 00:20:14,474 --> 00:20:16,543 I'm from Houston, Texas. 306 00:20:16,643 --> 00:20:18,411 Frank says, "I have a new project. 307 00:20:18,511 --> 00:20:19,646 Can you rap it?" 308 00:20:19,746 --> 00:20:22,549 He wrote me a check for $12,000. 309 00:20:22,649 --> 00:20:24,417 Just keep your mouth shut. 310 00:20:24,517 --> 00:20:27,787 Frank said, "Linda, we're gonna need backing vocalists." 311 00:20:27,887 --> 00:20:29,422 So I brought in my twin sister Jodie. 312 00:20:29,522 --> 00:20:31,223 And I looked at her, I said, "If this is 'oohs' and 'ahs' 313 00:20:31,323 --> 00:20:33,460 and 'I love you,' I'm gonna shoot you." 314 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,727 I said, "Shut up." 315 00:20:34,827 --> 00:20:36,496 He hits it, he says, "I want you to sing this." 316 00:20:36,596 --> 00:20:38,097 both: * Ooh, ooh, ooh 317 00:20:38,197 --> 00:20:39,265 - * I love you - I said, "Don't say it!" 318 00:20:48,407 --> 00:20:52,479 The song is ready, and the two guys--perfect. 319 00:20:55,815 --> 00:20:57,750 When they're told they're gonna lip-sync, 320 00:20:57,850 --> 00:20:59,351 what's their reaction? 321 00:20:59,452 --> 00:21:00,820 No problem at all. 322 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,791 They agreed and said, "OK, when can we start?" 323 00:21:04,891 --> 00:21:07,460 It was never an--an-- an argument. 324 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,896 Never ever. Never! 325 00:21:09,996 --> 00:21:13,199 So you didn't have to convince them to lip-sync? 326 00:21:13,299 --> 00:21:14,801 No! Why? 327 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:19,238 They want to have success and... 328 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:30,783 Was there ever a point you said, 329 00:21:30,883 --> 00:21:33,319 give us the advance back that we gave you. 330 00:21:33,419 --> 00:21:34,621 Gosh. No. 331 00:21:34,721 --> 00:21:35,822 - No? - No. 332 00:21:35,922 --> 00:21:37,857 - You didn't ask-- - No, no, no. 333 00:21:37,957 --> 00:21:42,428 This is not Frank's art-- artwork, yeah. 334 00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:45,064 If they would refuse, they can go back to Munich 335 00:21:45,164 --> 00:21:46,799 and can... 336 00:21:46,899 --> 00:21:48,467 go for... 337 00:21:49,569 --> 00:21:51,203 or something like that. 338 00:21:58,010 --> 00:22:00,146 Well, I, uh... 339 00:22:00,246 --> 00:22:05,818 The first time I went to share my side, uh, 340 00:22:05,918 --> 00:22:07,153 I was young. 341 00:22:07,253 --> 00:22:10,422 And if you're a young artist, 342 00:22:10,523 --> 00:22:14,994 you can only tell what they want you to tell. 343 00:22:15,094 --> 00:22:17,697 But now, fuck it. 344 00:22:19,331 --> 00:22:22,301 I ain't keeping my mouth shut for nobody. 345 00:22:24,136 --> 00:22:28,775 Frank Farian, he was just a-- 346 00:22:28,875 --> 00:22:34,380 a genius of his art of making money. 347 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,084 He knew exactly what he was doing. 348 00:22:38,184 --> 00:22:40,653 You know, it's not the first time. 349 00:22:40,753 --> 00:22:43,255 The same game was played with Boney M. 350 00:22:46,826 --> 00:22:50,697 Bobby was not a singer. 351 00:22:50,797 --> 00:22:51,864 He was a dancer. 352 00:22:54,867 --> 00:22:56,468 He was a dancer. 353 00:23:03,542 --> 00:23:05,244 And who sung? 354 00:23:05,344 --> 00:23:06,078 Frank. 355 00:23:11,751 --> 00:23:14,286 And it sold 356 00:23:14,386 --> 00:23:16,188 how many platinums, how many golds, 357 00:23:16,288 --> 00:23:17,556 you know what I'm saying? 358 00:23:25,632 --> 00:23:29,135 You're looking at him as a producer 359 00:23:29,235 --> 00:23:32,972 that made most his money on Black artists, 360 00:23:33,072 --> 00:23:35,007 and it worked. 361 00:23:35,107 --> 00:23:36,809 Then years later, he came back 362 00:23:36,909 --> 00:23:39,946 and did it again with Milli Vanilli. 363 00:23:43,482 --> 00:23:45,685 He took my voice, 364 00:23:45,785 --> 00:23:49,856 he took their faces, 365 00:23:49,956 --> 00:23:53,125 he put the project together, 366 00:23:53,225 --> 00:23:56,528 he put it on the market, 367 00:23:56,629 --> 00:23:58,798 and he got rich off it. 368 00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:06,205 Milli Vanilli was delivered by Frank Farian, 369 00:24:06,305 --> 00:24:09,075 and we were the distributor. 370 00:24:09,175 --> 00:24:14,013 We only saw the pictures of the both guys and the song. 371 00:24:15,982 --> 00:24:17,483 Was nice-looking guys. 372 00:24:17,583 --> 00:24:20,419 Internationally, they could be sold because they were colored 373 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:22,955 and everything was--every-- it fits together. 374 00:24:23,055 --> 00:24:25,124 The product was great. The music was great. 375 00:24:25,224 --> 00:24:27,727 The whole project is fantastic. 376 00:24:31,798 --> 00:24:32,965 No, we didn't know it. 377 00:24:33,065 --> 00:24:34,901 I got tapes where-- 378 00:24:35,001 --> 00:24:40,639 me, I was told that it's Rob and Fab singing. 379 00:24:46,012 --> 00:24:47,346 One day, we're at a friend's house 380 00:24:47,446 --> 00:24:50,116 watching "Formel Eins," this TV show... 381 00:24:52,451 --> 00:24:55,154 And then we see Milli Vanilli. 382 00:24:55,254 --> 00:24:58,190 Milli Vanilli, "Girl You Know It's True." 383 00:24:58,290 --> 00:25:01,761 Our name on television on "Formel Eins." 384 00:25:01,861 --> 00:25:03,763 We used to dance behind the stars 385 00:25:03,863 --> 00:25:05,397 who would come on this show, 386 00:25:05,497 --> 00:25:08,801 and suddenly, we're in the charts. 387 00:25:08,901 --> 00:25:10,402 I mean, we went crazy. 388 00:25:10,502 --> 00:25:13,773 Running, like, we even broke stuff. 389 00:25:13,873 --> 00:25:16,542 The song starts to blow up, 390 00:25:16,642 --> 00:25:18,711 and it happens so fast. 391 00:25:18,811 --> 00:25:20,546 Like, every week, it was going up. 392 00:25:20,646 --> 00:25:22,148 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 393 00:25:22,248 --> 00:25:25,184 boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, pow! 394 00:25:25,284 --> 00:25:26,853 And the song just takes off. 395 00:25:26,953 --> 00:25:28,387 It becomes a huge hit in Germany. 396 00:25:32,658 --> 00:25:35,061 Nobody knew it was gonna be a hit. 397 00:25:35,161 --> 00:25:36,829 Not even Frank. 398 00:25:36,929 --> 00:25:39,031 But once he's seen it was rising, 399 00:25:39,131 --> 00:25:41,433 then he started putting more promotion into it. 400 00:25:41,533 --> 00:25:43,369 Suddenly, we were in "Bravo," 401 00:25:43,469 --> 00:25:47,639 a youth magazine in Germany, selling millions every week. 402 00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:50,176 People that were not taking us seriously 403 00:25:50,276 --> 00:25:53,145 were suddenly like, "Hey." 404 00:25:53,245 --> 00:25:55,547 And now it's going through Europe. 405 00:25:55,647 --> 00:25:59,251 So we travel up and down Europe on television. 406 00:26:00,586 --> 00:26:01,988 We were nervous. 407 00:26:02,088 --> 00:26:03,555 "Can you drop your mic a little bit?" 408 00:26:03,655 --> 00:26:05,391 No, I'm gonna keep it there. 409 00:26:07,293 --> 00:26:11,063 But nervousness translated into excitement. 410 00:26:15,868 --> 00:26:18,570 A minute ago, we didn't want to do this, 411 00:26:18,670 --> 00:26:21,273 but now, we want more. 412 00:26:21,373 --> 00:26:23,075 We were so pumped. 413 00:26:23,175 --> 00:26:25,978 You're in Italy, you're in Spain, 414 00:26:26,078 --> 00:26:27,579 you're in Holland. 415 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:30,216 And then all of a sudden, it hits the States. 416 00:26:31,050 --> 00:26:32,084 Bam. 417 00:26:37,589 --> 00:26:39,725 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 418 00:26:39,826 --> 00:26:42,261 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 419 00:26:42,361 --> 00:26:44,797 ♪ And when you pack a smile in everything you do ♪ 420 00:26:44,897 --> 00:26:47,133 ♪ Don't you understand, girl, this love is true ♪ 421 00:26:47,233 --> 00:26:50,736 They came in, braids swinging... 422 00:26:50,837 --> 00:26:52,771 Chest bumping... 423 00:26:52,872 --> 00:26:54,540 with tights on. 424 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,210 It was two Black dudes with dreads coming into pop. 425 00:26:58,310 --> 00:27:01,213 That alone was the shock factor. 426 00:27:01,313 --> 00:27:04,817 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 427 00:27:04,917 --> 00:27:07,887 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 428 00:27:07,987 --> 00:27:10,957 The hair and the bandannas and the shoulder pads. 429 00:27:11,057 --> 00:27:12,658 ♪ Yes, you know it's true 430 00:27:12,758 --> 00:27:14,593 It was a totally different style. 431 00:27:14,693 --> 00:27:17,196 both: ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 432 00:27:17,296 --> 00:27:18,965 - That's all we knew. - They had it all. 433 00:27:19,065 --> 00:27:20,666 Like, their visuals were on point. 434 00:27:20,766 --> 00:27:22,801 I mean, they were just eye candy. 435 00:27:22,902 --> 00:27:25,404 It was yummy, yummy, yummy. 436 00:27:28,674 --> 00:27:30,676 "Girl You Know It's True" becomes the number two hit 437 00:27:30,776 --> 00:27:31,844 in the United States. 438 00:27:31,944 --> 00:27:33,612 "Girl You Know It's True," number two. 439 00:27:33,712 --> 00:27:36,148 Oh, my God. 440 00:27:36,248 --> 00:27:40,652 It became a top five hit in 23 countries around the world. 441 00:27:40,752 --> 00:27:44,023 That's Michael Jackson level success. 442 00:27:44,123 --> 00:27:45,624 Ah! 443 00:27:46,893 --> 00:27:48,627 Great music, it just rises. 444 00:27:48,727 --> 00:27:52,531 When those special ones come, they come. 445 00:27:52,631 --> 00:27:55,767 As much as it wasn't the right thing to do, 446 00:27:55,868 --> 00:27:58,370 the power of "Girl You Know It's True"... 447 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:00,139 ♪ I'm so in love, girl 448 00:28:00,239 --> 00:28:01,240 Was pulling on us. 449 00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:02,841 ♪ I'm so in love, girl 450 00:28:04,410 --> 00:28:08,547 This energy, this hype... - Do you want to party? 451 00:28:08,647 --> 00:28:11,850 The love... 452 00:28:11,951 --> 00:28:15,187 So from that point on, 453 00:28:15,287 --> 00:28:18,324 we embraced the lie. 454 00:28:46,885 --> 00:28:48,754 - What's up? - Running. 455 00:28:48,854 --> 00:28:50,589 Yeah. 456 00:28:50,689 --> 00:28:53,392 Number one. 457 00:28:53,492 --> 00:28:54,526 Every time we were around people 458 00:28:54,626 --> 00:28:55,995 or, like, taking pictures... 459 00:28:56,095 --> 00:28:57,396 OK. 460 00:28:58,397 --> 00:29:00,666 We knew, you know, you know. 461 00:29:00,766 --> 00:29:02,534 They don't know. Do they know? I don't know. 462 00:29:05,804 --> 00:29:08,907 But it was too difficult to say no to this new life. 463 00:29:12,611 --> 00:29:16,682 "Girl You Know It's True" just unveiled the beast in us. 464 00:29:22,621 --> 00:29:23,722 Yeah. 465 00:29:29,661 --> 00:29:31,897 We came from nothing and now we were tasting 466 00:29:31,998 --> 00:29:34,000 this pop star life. 467 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:36,568 To be adored, to be loved, 468 00:29:36,668 --> 00:29:39,871 that became very addictive. 469 00:30:02,894 --> 00:30:04,263 I was nervous. 470 00:30:04,363 --> 00:30:10,402 Being caught was something that was always, always very aware. 471 00:30:10,502 --> 00:30:13,005 So, when will we have your LP? 472 00:30:13,105 --> 00:30:15,607 Gonna come out in two weeks. 473 00:30:15,707 --> 00:30:20,479 It's just like very pop dance orientated music. 474 00:30:20,579 --> 00:30:22,781 Are you ready here? 475 00:30:24,883 --> 00:30:28,687 For us, it was a surprise that it developed immediately. 476 00:30:28,787 --> 00:30:30,989 It was worthwhile thinking about what you can do. 477 00:30:31,090 --> 00:30:34,160 Do we need an album? Yes, we need an album. 478 00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:37,329 Do we need a second single? Yes, we need a second single. 479 00:30:43,335 --> 00:30:45,537 I get the call. 480 00:30:45,637 --> 00:30:47,106 "Frank needs to talk to you." 481 00:30:48,607 --> 00:30:51,243 So I goes up to the studio, 482 00:30:51,343 --> 00:30:54,580 Ingrid opened the door, I go in. 483 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:55,814 Sit in the kitchen and wait. 484 00:30:58,817 --> 00:31:03,255 He came out--took his time, fixed him a coffee-- 485 00:31:03,355 --> 00:31:05,724 and then he said, 486 00:31:05,824 --> 00:31:08,894 "I told you, keep your mouth shut." 487 00:31:12,231 --> 00:31:16,368 He says to me, um, "They found out in Munich, 488 00:31:16,468 --> 00:31:18,904 "from your promotion manager or whoever, 489 00:31:19,004 --> 00:31:21,873 "that you're the voice. 490 00:31:21,973 --> 00:31:23,975 Don't want to see you here anymore." 491 00:31:24,076 --> 00:31:25,844 We didn't talk anymore. 492 00:31:25,944 --> 00:31:29,581 That's it. 493 00:31:29,681 --> 00:31:34,520 I was kicked to the curb. 494 00:31:37,489 --> 00:31:40,092 One night, Frank Farian called me up. 495 00:31:40,192 --> 00:31:43,061 He said, "John, I've got a project I'm working on." 496 00:31:44,963 --> 00:31:49,735 "I had a rapper, Charles Shaw, who tried the situation 497 00:31:49,835 --> 00:31:53,872 and he was not good so can you come to the studio?" 498 00:31:56,308 --> 00:31:58,510 So that's what I did. 499 00:31:58,610 --> 00:32:00,879 He said, "You got 10,000 D-marks," 500 00:32:00,979 --> 00:32:02,948 and I said, "Wow." 501 00:32:03,048 --> 00:32:06,051 He said, "You're gonna do the whole album with me." 502 00:32:06,152 --> 00:32:09,721 Frank said, "We're gonna be doing more songs." 503 00:32:09,821 --> 00:32:11,957 We always asked, "Where is Rob and Fab? 504 00:32:12,057 --> 00:32:14,025 When are they gonna start singing?" 505 00:32:14,126 --> 00:32:16,362 Frank said, "They're gonna record in the evening 506 00:32:16,462 --> 00:32:17,929 when you guys are done." 507 00:32:36,682 --> 00:32:39,318 I used to have to go through the back door 508 00:32:39,418 --> 00:32:41,387 because Frank didn't want nobody know 509 00:32:41,487 --> 00:32:43,689 I was the lead singer. 510 00:32:43,789 --> 00:32:46,091 This is run like a tight military operation. 511 00:32:46,192 --> 00:32:48,660 It's on a need-to-know basis. 512 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,096 It was smoke and mirrors. 513 00:32:51,197 --> 00:32:55,634 David Copperfield couldn't have done it better. 514 00:32:55,734 --> 00:32:58,937 We like it hot, don't we? 515 00:32:59,037 --> 00:33:01,640 You want to get down with Milli Vanilli? 516 00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:04,310 They're coming. It's a hit. Shake your booty. 517 00:33:04,410 --> 00:33:06,945 "Girl You Know It's True." 518 00:33:17,789 --> 00:33:18,990 - One, mark. - Mark. 519 00:33:21,527 --> 00:33:23,762 Make sure everyone's phone's on silent. 520 00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:25,264 That's a good idea. 521 00:33:31,036 --> 00:33:34,573 Clive is a-- is a gift-seeker. 522 00:33:34,673 --> 00:33:38,510 He is like the Yoda of talent. 523 00:33:38,610 --> 00:33:40,145 He knows. 524 00:33:40,246 --> 00:33:42,514 He just knows. 525 00:33:42,614 --> 00:33:45,917 With Milli Vanilli, Clive saw dollar signs. 526 00:33:46,017 --> 00:33:48,086 "Girl You Know It's True" is big now. 527 00:33:48,186 --> 00:33:51,089 How can we cash in on the immediate moment? 528 00:33:51,189 --> 00:33:54,360 Well, we moved everything up as fast as possible. 529 00:33:54,460 --> 00:33:57,195 Clive would say every week that we're missing, 530 00:33:57,296 --> 00:33:59,498 we're missing, like, a million dollars. 531 00:33:59,598 --> 00:34:02,734 So we had to put an album in motion. 532 00:34:02,834 --> 00:34:06,004 But the album that's out in Europe, "All or Nothing," 533 00:34:06,104 --> 00:34:10,075 was not strong enough to release in America. 534 00:34:10,175 --> 00:34:12,644 Clive called up Diane Warren. 535 00:34:12,744 --> 00:34:14,480 Diane Warren is one of the biggest songwriters 536 00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:15,747 there are in the country. 537 00:34:15,847 --> 00:34:17,916 I had written "Blame It On The Rain" 538 00:34:18,016 --> 00:34:19,485 when I was scheduled to see Clive, 539 00:34:19,585 --> 00:34:21,853 and he goes, I want you to hear this new group I have. 540 00:34:21,953 --> 00:34:23,422 And he played me "Girl You Know It's True." 541 00:34:23,522 --> 00:34:24,723 I'm like, "This is so crazy 542 00:34:24,823 --> 00:34:26,024 "'cause the song I'm bringing you 543 00:34:26,124 --> 00:34:27,526 really sounds like the follow-up to that." 544 00:34:27,626 --> 00:34:28,927 It's even the same rhythm. 545 00:34:29,027 --> 00:34:31,430 "Girl You Know It's True," "Blame It On The Rain." 546 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:33,198 I played him the song and he loved it. 547 00:34:33,299 --> 00:34:36,034 He sent it to Frank Farian and they recorded it. 548 00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:41,707 Normally, when you've given the producer 549 00:34:41,807 --> 00:34:44,543 some repertoire for them to record, 550 00:34:44,643 --> 00:34:47,613 you want to be there to make sure it gets done. 551 00:34:47,713 --> 00:34:49,681 In the case of Frank, though, 552 00:34:49,781 --> 00:34:52,451 he didn't want anyone in the studio. 553 00:34:55,354 --> 00:34:59,591 It was very weird for us to find the songs, 554 00:34:59,691 --> 00:35:01,192 send them to Frank, 555 00:35:01,293 --> 00:35:06,865 and then have them produce it without any of our presence. 556 00:35:06,965 --> 00:35:11,303 But the speculation that we were somehow aware of 557 00:35:11,403 --> 00:35:14,406 what was going on behind the scenes in Germany 558 00:35:14,506 --> 00:35:17,909 is simply not the case. 559 00:35:18,009 --> 00:35:22,781 If an outside producer sends in all the album credits, 560 00:35:22,881 --> 00:35:24,383 you have to take it on faith 561 00:35:24,483 --> 00:35:27,919 that represents what actually happened in the studio. 562 00:35:28,019 --> 00:35:30,221 There was no reason to think not. 563 00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:36,962 Ah, there it is. 564 00:35:37,062 --> 00:35:40,198 So this is the European version of the album "All or Nothing." 565 00:35:40,298 --> 00:35:43,435 You see Rob and Fab on the cover, the first album. 566 00:35:43,535 --> 00:35:45,771 That's their, like, running man logo. 567 00:35:45,871 --> 00:35:46,905 There they are on the back, 568 00:35:47,005 --> 00:35:49,841 shirtless, of course, 'cause why not? 569 00:35:49,941 --> 00:35:54,746 And let's see who's credited on this album. 570 00:35:57,683 --> 00:36:00,752 So it says musicians here, 571 00:36:00,852 --> 00:36:04,923 and I don't see Rob and Fab on here at all. 572 00:36:05,023 --> 00:36:10,529 So, backing vocals, Jodie and Linda Rocco, Charles Shaw-- 573 00:36:10,629 --> 00:36:12,063 produced by Frank Farian. 574 00:36:12,163 --> 00:36:15,501 But this is the truth in advertising version 575 00:36:15,601 --> 00:36:17,235 that doesn't have them on it. 576 00:36:17,335 --> 00:36:20,506 If I'm at a record label and I'm putting out this record, 577 00:36:20,606 --> 00:36:23,909 and I look at the vocalists and the guys who are on the cover 578 00:36:24,009 --> 00:36:26,645 are not listed in the liner notes, 579 00:36:26,745 --> 00:36:28,079 I'm gonna have some questions, you know? 580 00:36:28,179 --> 00:36:31,349 Like, that is a giant red flag for me. 581 00:36:36,121 --> 00:36:38,457 That was the name of the European album. 582 00:36:41,693 --> 00:36:43,929 Really? OK. I didn't know that. 583 00:36:44,029 --> 00:36:47,132 - So that's-- 584 00:36:53,171 --> 00:36:54,372 I-- 585 00:36:54,473 --> 00:36:55,373 I don't know what to say to that. 586 00:36:58,043 --> 00:37:00,812 Yeah, but we didn't release that record, so-- 587 00:37:05,584 --> 00:37:08,053 Really? I forgot about that. 588 00:37:16,294 --> 00:37:20,031 ♪ Woo, blame it on the rain 589 00:37:20,131 --> 00:37:22,468 - * Rain - * Yeah, yeah 590 00:37:22,568 --> 00:37:24,870 ♪ Blame it on the stars 591 00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:26,404 - * Stars - * Ooh 592 00:37:26,505 --> 00:37:28,406 Rob Pilatus, my brother, 593 00:37:28,507 --> 00:37:31,242 he loved "Blame It On The Rain" because that was-- 594 00:37:31,342 --> 00:37:34,513 that was his thing. 595 00:37:34,613 --> 00:37:35,947 ♪ You said you didn't need her ♪ 596 00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:39,217 "Blame It On The Rain" is number one hit in 1989. 597 00:37:39,317 --> 00:37:42,087 They released "Baby Don't Forget My Number," number one. 598 00:37:42,187 --> 00:37:45,023 "Girl I'm Gonna Miss You" is the third number one song. 599 00:37:45,123 --> 00:37:47,025 They have three number one smashes off that record. 600 00:37:47,125 --> 00:37:48,694 That feels impossible. 601 00:37:48,794 --> 00:37:50,929 ♪ To satisfy your pride 602 00:37:51,029 --> 00:37:54,032 And once you have three big hit singles, 603 00:37:54,132 --> 00:37:57,102 you're gonna sell a lot of albums. 604 00:37:57,202 --> 00:38:00,706 If an artist sells 500,000 and went gold, that's terrific. 605 00:38:02,541 --> 00:38:05,977 ♪ You let her walk away 606 00:38:06,077 --> 00:38:08,780 If an artist sells a million albums, that's something. 607 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,281 ♪ Got to blame it on something ♪ 608 00:38:10,381 --> 00:38:11,917 But 8 million? 609 00:38:12,017 --> 00:38:14,119 It's one of the biggest debuts of all time. 610 00:38:14,219 --> 00:38:19,324 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 611 00:38:19,424 --> 00:38:22,694 ♪ Blame it on the stars that didn't shine that night ♪ 612 00:38:22,794 --> 00:38:24,162 To just come out of nowhere 613 00:38:24,262 --> 00:38:26,765 and have a number one debut album for seven weeks, 614 00:38:26,865 --> 00:38:29,200 well, that just was unheard of at the time. 615 00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:33,271 ♪ Blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah ♪ 616 00:38:33,371 --> 00:38:37,342 Debut album, hot right out of the gate. 617 00:38:37,442 --> 00:38:38,777 "Here's Milli Vanilli. 618 00:38:38,877 --> 00:38:40,211 What do you want to do with it?" 619 00:38:40,311 --> 00:38:42,147 Well, we want to play it. We want to dance to it. 620 00:38:42,247 --> 00:38:43,649 We want to have fun with them. 621 00:38:43,749 --> 00:38:46,384 Can we get them in the studio? We want to meet them. 622 00:38:46,484 --> 00:38:51,523 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 623 00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:53,291 ♪ Blame it on the stars 624 00:38:53,391 --> 00:38:55,460 At that point, what are we gonna do? 625 00:38:55,561 --> 00:38:58,830 Should we bring them over? Should they do the MTV tour? 626 00:38:58,930 --> 00:39:01,132 Then that all kicks in. 627 00:39:01,232 --> 00:39:03,268 ♪ Blame it on the rain 628 00:39:03,368 --> 00:39:06,204 Labels saw we were growing in the charts in America. 629 00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:07,973 ♪ Blame it on the rain 630 00:39:08,073 --> 00:39:10,576 Our presence was needed. 631 00:39:12,377 --> 00:39:16,047 But Frank didn't want us to go to America. 632 00:39:16,147 --> 00:39:17,683 Frank was apprehensive 633 00:39:17,783 --> 00:39:20,151 because of the big secret, obviously. 634 00:39:20,251 --> 00:39:23,388 Frank was concerned that they would go to America 635 00:39:23,488 --> 00:39:26,057 and fuck up everything. 636 00:39:26,157 --> 00:39:29,194 America had our heart. 637 00:39:29,294 --> 00:39:33,464 "We want to go to the US. USA! USA!" 638 00:39:38,203 --> 00:39:40,071 Coming to LA for us was like 639 00:39:40,171 --> 00:39:42,674 we're living the dream, we're doing things. 640 00:39:42,774 --> 00:39:44,009 - A'ight? - Kick it. 641 00:39:44,109 --> 00:39:46,945 Hollywood, Malibu. 642 00:39:47,045 --> 00:39:49,615 The girls are hot there, too. Oof. 643 00:39:51,817 --> 00:39:53,351 ♪ Cold coolin' at a bar 644 00:39:53,451 --> 00:39:55,821 We got a manager, Sandy Gallin... 645 00:39:55,921 --> 00:39:57,155 ♪ But like Mick Jagger said ♪ 646 00:39:57,255 --> 00:39:58,690 He was like a big player. 647 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:59,991 ♪ I can't get no satisfaction ♪ 648 00:40:00,091 --> 00:40:01,559 He had Michael Jackson at the time, 649 00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:03,962 Dolly Parton--tons of people. 650 00:40:04,062 --> 00:40:05,130 That's why he had us, 651 00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:06,632 to handle people like Milli Vanilli. 652 00:40:06,732 --> 00:40:09,167 ♪ Funky Cold Medina 653 00:40:09,267 --> 00:40:11,436 I was truly, in the beginning, a fan. 654 00:40:11,536 --> 00:40:13,571 I said to them, "You know, I've never been 655 00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:15,073 a manager before," 656 00:40:15,173 --> 00:40:19,210 and Rob said, "Well, we've never been pop stars before." 657 00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:22,280 I was like, "OK, here we go." 658 00:40:25,516 --> 00:40:29,487 My first job was putting them on the MTV tour. 659 00:40:29,587 --> 00:40:32,123 It was gonna be our first tour in America-- 660 00:40:32,223 --> 00:40:35,727 a 107 city tour in eight months-- 661 00:40:35,827 --> 00:40:37,929 so we had to put a band together. 662 00:40:40,231 --> 00:40:42,000 I was the band leader then. 663 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,870 We had rehearsed, we were flawless. 664 00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:47,438 Everybody was really invested in this gig 665 00:40:47,538 --> 00:40:50,709 'cause it was the new hottest shit, you know? 666 00:40:50,809 --> 00:40:52,878 After we had been approved, 667 00:40:52,978 --> 00:40:56,948 Rob and Fab disappeared. They were gone. 668 00:40:57,048 --> 00:41:00,686 So we were just rehearsing with no artist. 669 00:41:00,786 --> 00:41:05,056 And I start going, "These guys must be really, really good. 670 00:41:05,156 --> 00:41:07,258 "They don't rehearse, they don't fucking do nothing. 671 00:41:07,358 --> 00:41:10,896 They-- what the hell's going on?" 672 00:41:10,996 --> 00:41:12,530 We started asking more questions. 673 00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:15,366 We got to realize, this musical director at the time 674 00:41:15,466 --> 00:41:19,771 is programming this Oberheim. There's where the vocals are. 675 00:41:19,871 --> 00:41:23,508 And then we understood, "Oh, they're lip-syncing." 676 00:41:23,608 --> 00:41:26,211 So we said, "OK, we're in a lip-sync band." 677 00:41:27,779 --> 00:41:29,815 They said, "Don't say anything about this to anybody else." 678 00:41:29,915 --> 00:41:31,016 "Fine." 679 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:38,356 The show would play to packed arenas. 680 00:41:38,456 --> 00:41:43,494 Rob and Fab were two sexy performers selling hits, 681 00:41:43,594 --> 00:41:46,698 and they did a really bloody good job at it. 682 00:42:04,916 --> 00:42:11,256 Yeah! 683 00:42:11,356 --> 00:42:14,960 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 684 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:21,099 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 685 00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,168 ♪ Yes, you know it's true 686 00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:29,007 The audience loved them. 687 00:42:29,107 --> 00:42:31,843 Yeah! 688 00:42:31,943 --> 00:42:34,179 It was very powerful. 689 00:42:34,279 --> 00:42:36,281 ♪ Girl, you know it's, girl, you know it's ♪ 690 00:42:36,381 --> 00:42:38,683 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 691 00:42:38,784 --> 00:42:41,119 ♪ Girl, you know it's, yes, you know it's ♪ 692 00:42:41,219 --> 00:42:44,722 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 693 00:42:44,823 --> 00:42:48,593 Performing is a drug. 694 00:42:48,693 --> 00:42:53,799 That euphoric feeling allowed us to just forget everything. 695 00:43:06,711 --> 00:43:08,646 Milli Vanilli, the European duo, 696 00:43:08,746 --> 00:43:10,748 now one of the hottest groups in America, 697 00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:13,952 made a special trip to the Disney MGM Studios theme parks 698 00:43:14,052 --> 00:43:15,020 where we arranged for them to have 699 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,587 an exclusive interview session 700 00:43:16,687 --> 00:43:18,824 with some of their most loyal fans. 701 00:43:18,924 --> 00:43:20,325 Wherever you've performed, 702 00:43:20,425 --> 00:43:23,494 has anything really embarrassing happened to you? 703 00:43:23,594 --> 00:43:24,796 Yeah. 704 00:43:34,439 --> 00:43:36,541 It was super hot that day. 705 00:43:36,641 --> 00:43:40,912 "Downtown" Julie Brown introduces us as usual. 706 00:43:47,919 --> 00:43:49,487 I decided to take a break-- 707 00:43:49,587 --> 00:43:52,623 the show had been going now for a few months-- 708 00:43:52,723 --> 00:43:55,560 and it was while I was in my trailer 709 00:43:55,660 --> 00:44:00,265 I heard the crowd, like, getting a little bit rowdy. 710 00:44:02,433 --> 00:44:04,970 The vocals that were being cued from the emulator 711 00:44:05,070 --> 00:44:06,237 started repeating. 712 00:44:06,337 --> 00:44:07,705 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- 713 00:44:07,805 --> 00:44:10,141 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- girl, you know it's-- ♪ 714 00:44:10,241 --> 00:44:12,010 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- 715 00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:14,779 It was like-- 716 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,847 Shit! 717 00:44:18,449 --> 00:44:22,320 As I open my door, I saw Rob go flying by. 718 00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:25,390 Rob and Fab were gone, and I'm onstage still with 719 00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:27,392 the guitar player and the drummer going "What the fuck? 720 00:44:27,492 --> 00:44:29,861 Do we continue the song on or what are we doing here?" 721 00:44:31,596 --> 00:44:32,864 So, of course, there was outrage. 722 00:44:32,964 --> 00:44:34,132 I was furious. 723 00:44:34,232 --> 00:44:36,834 "What the fuck, you know? Find him!" 724 00:44:36,935 --> 00:44:39,971 Rob was pissed. He was like, "Fuck that!" 725 00:44:40,071 --> 00:44:42,240 He lost his cool. 726 00:44:42,340 --> 00:44:44,876 Rob had gotten hold of me to say, 727 00:44:44,976 --> 00:44:46,044 "I don't know what to do." 728 00:44:46,144 --> 00:44:47,778 You know, he was scared. 729 00:44:50,181 --> 00:44:51,482 He kind of exploded. 730 00:44:51,582 --> 00:44:57,288 It was the moment where it just burst open. 731 00:44:57,388 --> 00:44:59,057 And at that time, we didn't know 732 00:44:59,157 --> 00:45:03,128 what pressure he was feeling because we didn't know 733 00:45:03,228 --> 00:45:04,930 the load they were carrying. 734 00:45:33,524 --> 00:45:36,928 ♪ On the rain that was falling ♪ 735 00:45:37,028 --> 00:45:38,029 When Milli Vanilli blew up, 736 00:45:38,129 --> 00:45:39,530 I was a program director at 737 00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:44,435 WILD radio station, Boston. 1090 on the AM dial. 738 00:45:44,535 --> 00:45:49,240 The only Black station within miles 739 00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:51,742 of Boston, Massachusetts. 740 00:45:53,278 --> 00:45:56,547 The guys came to our radio station for our morning show. 741 00:45:56,647 --> 00:45:57,915 And I remember them sitting there, 742 00:45:58,016 --> 00:45:59,517 and when I heard them talk for the first time, 743 00:45:59,617 --> 00:46:02,020 I'm like, "Oh, they sound very different 744 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,255 than they do on the record." 745 00:46:05,556 --> 00:46:07,925 Please welcome Milli Vanilli. 746 00:46:11,129 --> 00:46:13,664 Once they started doing promotional dates, 747 00:46:13,764 --> 00:46:16,401 it became pretty clear that something was strange. 748 00:46:16,501 --> 00:46:18,036 Fab, how are you finding Australia? 749 00:46:18,136 --> 00:46:19,470 You enjoying it? 750 00:46:22,173 --> 00:46:23,774 Sydney? 751 00:46:23,874 --> 00:46:25,676 Syd-ney. Syd-ney. 752 00:46:26,311 --> 00:46:30,015 Melbourne. Melbourne. 753 00:46:31,516 --> 00:46:35,220 It just seemed that they weren't comfortable 754 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,455 communicating in English. 755 00:46:37,555 --> 00:46:40,191 Who inspired you the most, Rob? 756 00:46:40,291 --> 00:46:42,693 Uh, diff--difficult. 757 00:46:42,793 --> 00:46:45,330 You could tell they were sweating bullets. 758 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:46,464 People were starting to, you know, 759 00:46:46,564 --> 00:46:48,133 giggle a little bit on the sides. 760 00:46:48,233 --> 00:46:49,734 Fab, you speak English, right? 761 00:46:49,834 --> 00:46:52,470 - Yeah, I can, too. - Who are your-- 762 00:46:52,570 --> 00:46:54,905 And it was easy to kind of latch on to that 763 00:46:55,006 --> 00:46:55,973 and make them a joke. 764 00:46:56,074 --> 00:47:00,178 You are Germany, and I'm from French. 765 00:47:00,278 --> 00:47:02,047 Oh. 766 00:47:03,881 --> 00:47:06,551 There's a way that I think some people knew. 767 00:47:06,651 --> 00:47:10,788 ♪ Blame it on the rain 768 00:47:10,888 --> 00:47:12,990 Arsenio Hall is someone who had been around the business 769 00:47:13,091 --> 00:47:15,393 a long time and had seen a lot. 770 00:47:15,493 --> 00:47:17,395 Man, I think Milli Vanilli doing crack. 771 00:47:17,495 --> 00:47:18,796 I don't think-- 772 00:47:18,896 --> 00:47:20,665 It seemed bad to a lot of these folks. 773 00:47:20,765 --> 00:47:23,134 Those pants too tight. They going-- 774 00:47:23,234 --> 00:47:24,969 They knew something was up. 775 00:47:27,605 --> 00:47:29,574 Privately, I thought, like, 776 00:47:29,674 --> 00:47:32,543 you know, "Did they really sing everything?" 777 00:47:32,643 --> 00:47:34,445 Girls! crowd: Girls! 778 00:47:34,545 --> 00:47:37,148 Hey, boys! crowd: Hey, boys! 779 00:47:37,248 --> 00:47:40,118 Yeah! crowd: Yeah! 780 00:47:40,218 --> 00:47:43,788 ♪ Girl, you know it's-- girl, you know it's true ♪ 781 00:47:43,888 --> 00:47:45,823 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh 782 00:47:45,923 --> 00:47:48,393 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 783 00:47:48,493 --> 00:47:50,461 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 784 00:47:50,561 --> 00:47:53,098 We didn't sing on those records. 785 00:47:53,198 --> 00:47:55,466 ♪ Don't you understand, girl, this love is true ♪ 786 00:47:55,566 --> 00:47:57,835 We didn't even sound like those records. 787 00:48:00,205 --> 00:48:02,973 We were lying. 788 00:48:13,284 --> 00:48:15,153 Lies are taking the elevators 789 00:48:15,253 --> 00:48:18,123 while the truth takes the stairs. 790 00:48:21,859 --> 00:48:24,995 I knew that at some point, the truth would rise. 791 00:48:27,198 --> 00:48:30,135 They were gonna catch us at some point or another. 792 00:48:40,278 --> 00:48:43,681 This load on our shoulders, 793 00:48:43,781 --> 00:48:46,817 it was getting heavy and heavy and heavy. 794 00:49:24,689 --> 00:49:26,957 I was a little bit tired by it, yeah. 795 00:49:36,734 --> 00:49:40,371 We drank more, took more drugs, 796 00:49:40,471 --> 00:49:43,508 to be able to, like, numb out. 797 00:50:03,127 --> 00:50:05,596 I think next time, next time, maybe-- 798 00:50:05,696 --> 00:50:07,164 should we ask them to sing next time? 799 00:50:18,008 --> 00:50:20,077 Um... 800 00:50:20,177 --> 00:50:23,581 This, uh... 801 00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:50,468 They got double platinum. They got gold records. 802 00:51:53,203 --> 00:51:55,506 Everybody else got a gold record of my voice 803 00:51:55,606 --> 00:51:57,007 on their walls. 804 00:51:58,743 --> 00:52:02,112 That's my voice! 805 00:52:02,212 --> 00:52:03,914 You end up drinking, 806 00:52:04,014 --> 00:52:07,485 you end up taking drugs to not think about 807 00:52:07,585 --> 00:52:10,087 what's really happening in reality. 808 00:52:10,187 --> 00:52:13,223 Then my manager that I had at that time said, 809 00:52:13,324 --> 00:52:15,192 "Well, you know what? 810 00:52:15,292 --> 00:52:19,397 We're gonna do interviews. You're gonna go live." 811 00:52:19,497 --> 00:52:21,065 I was singing before Milli Vanilli 812 00:52:21,165 --> 00:52:23,300 even thought about becoming stars. 813 00:52:23,401 --> 00:52:27,004 I went abroad and said it in a TV show, 814 00:52:27,104 --> 00:52:28,339 it's my voice. 815 00:52:28,439 --> 00:52:32,377 Music is from Frank Farian and not from Milli Vanilli. 816 00:52:40,485 --> 00:52:43,220 And Frank denied it all. 817 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,457 His words were--I can remember them to the day-- 818 00:52:46,557 --> 00:52:49,427 "This artist is a liar. 819 00:52:49,527 --> 00:52:52,196 "Look the way he's dressed. 820 00:52:52,296 --> 00:52:54,131 "The Black guy. 821 00:52:54,231 --> 00:52:55,666 He's just trying to make money." 822 00:53:09,113 --> 00:53:10,214 Ingrid! 823 00:53:10,314 --> 00:53:11,949 She said, "Frank don't want you to be 824 00:53:12,049 --> 00:53:15,185 "talking out there to nobody. Keep your mouth shut." 825 00:53:15,285 --> 00:53:16,554 "How could you say that? 826 00:53:16,654 --> 00:53:19,590 You're just trying to get publicity." 827 00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:22,393 Milli Vanilli fans? Oh, man. 828 00:53:22,493 --> 00:53:24,429 Death threats. 829 00:53:24,529 --> 00:53:29,634 "Your next show, this and this is gonna happen to you." 830 00:53:29,734 --> 00:53:31,736 The phone rang and it was Charles Shaw. 831 00:53:31,836 --> 00:53:33,471 And I didn't know who he was, 832 00:53:33,571 --> 00:53:35,506 and he said, "I'm the real singer of Milli Vanilli 833 00:53:35,606 --> 00:53:37,608 and you have to help me." 834 00:53:37,708 --> 00:53:39,644 So I called Sandy right away 835 00:53:39,744 --> 00:53:41,779 and I said, "I just got this weird call from this guy. 836 00:53:41,879 --> 00:53:42,980 He says he's the real voice." 837 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,484 "Ah, just a crazy person. Just ignore it." 838 00:53:46,584 --> 00:53:49,253 It didn't interest anybody. 839 00:53:50,154 --> 00:53:54,391 You get tired of trying to 840 00:53:54,492 --> 00:53:57,462 lead a jackass to water 841 00:53:57,562 --> 00:53:59,430 and make him drink it. 842 00:54:21,986 --> 00:54:24,088 People wanted to believe 843 00:54:24,188 --> 00:54:25,856 they are really singing these songs 844 00:54:25,956 --> 00:54:27,925 because it was a good production. 845 00:54:28,025 --> 00:54:29,794 It was entertainment. 846 00:54:31,428 --> 00:54:34,198 It's a magic trick pulled off in front of you onstage, 847 00:54:34,298 --> 00:54:36,400 and the audience usually wants to be deceived 848 00:54:36,501 --> 00:54:38,002 in a magic show. 849 00:54:38,102 --> 00:54:41,506 So if everyone benefits from a scam like that, 850 00:54:41,606 --> 00:54:42,973 including the audience, 851 00:54:43,073 --> 00:54:45,676 it's very easy to look the other way. 852 00:54:45,776 --> 00:54:46,911 Everyone got his bonus, 853 00:54:47,011 --> 00:54:49,246 everyone was happy to be successful, 854 00:54:49,346 --> 00:54:52,149 and the people are happy to have this record. 855 00:54:52,249 --> 00:54:57,387 We all together were in a very nice flow of success. 856 00:55:00,424 --> 00:55:02,192 ♪ Mo-mo-mo-money rules the world ♪ 857 00:55:02,292 --> 00:55:04,161 ♪ It's still the same old greed ♪ 858 00:55:04,261 --> 00:55:06,797 Successful music is a great money machine. 859 00:55:06,897 --> 00:55:09,299 Their videos are hot, their songs are hot. 860 00:55:09,399 --> 00:55:11,235 Singles, albums, maxi singles... 861 00:55:11,335 --> 00:55:12,469 Buy it now. 862 00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:15,139 The album made $580 million. 863 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,275 They had sold approximately 46 million records, global. 864 00:55:18,375 --> 00:55:20,444 There was merchandise, keychains, 865 00:55:20,545 --> 00:55:21,679 ticket sales to the concerts. 866 00:55:21,779 --> 00:55:23,714 It's Milli Vanilli. Milli Vanilli! 867 00:55:23,814 --> 00:55:25,783 What a show. What a night. 868 00:55:25,883 --> 00:55:27,585 We're going to a Milli Vanilli concert. 869 00:55:27,685 --> 00:55:31,789 They could've recorded the alphabet, the phonebook. 870 00:55:31,889 --> 00:55:34,058 You name it, they were selling it. 871 00:55:34,158 --> 00:55:35,359 Their logo is the running man 872 00:55:35,459 --> 00:55:38,295 and it symbolizes the pursuit of success. 873 00:55:38,395 --> 00:55:40,097 If they do any better next year, 874 00:55:40,197 --> 00:55:42,232 they're gonna have to find a new logo. 875 00:55:42,332 --> 00:55:44,334 At that time, Frank Farian was worth 876 00:55:44,434 --> 00:55:46,103 almost half a billion. 877 00:55:46,203 --> 00:55:49,306 ♪ Money rules the world and don't you love that cash? ♪ 878 00:55:49,406 --> 00:55:51,809 They continued to steamroll through the end of the year. 879 00:55:51,909 --> 00:55:54,344 And the winner is... Milli Vanilli. 880 00:55:54,444 --> 00:55:55,880 They won three American Music Awards... 881 00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:57,514 Milli Vanilli. 882 00:55:58,115 --> 00:55:59,784 Milli Vanilli! 883 00:55:59,884 --> 00:56:01,819 This train was moving. 884 00:56:01,919 --> 00:56:05,022 Thank you to our producer, Frank Farian, 885 00:56:05,122 --> 00:56:06,757 to our manager, Sandy Gallin. 886 00:56:06,857 --> 00:56:08,893 We'd like to thank Clive Davis. 887 00:56:08,993 --> 00:56:10,961 ♪ Money rules the world 888 00:56:11,061 --> 00:56:12,997 Arista, BMG, 889 00:56:13,097 --> 00:56:16,601 they were cashing in the bucks. 890 00:56:16,701 --> 00:56:18,168 ♪ Money, money 891 00:56:18,268 --> 00:56:20,070 And the whole thing with Milli Vanilli 892 00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:21,438 would have kept going if 893 00:56:21,538 --> 00:56:25,009 they had not been nominated for the Grammys. 894 00:56:27,945 --> 00:56:30,347 Well, because-- no, but, see, 895 00:56:30,447 --> 00:56:34,151 most everybody knew the secret, and I didn't. 896 00:56:34,251 --> 00:56:35,720 They never told me this, 897 00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:38,823 so I just assumed they sang, you know? 898 00:56:40,424 --> 00:56:43,160 So we're at a conference meeting and I said, 899 00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:45,262 "I think Milli Vanilli could get nominated for a Grammy." 900 00:56:45,362 --> 00:56:47,364 I thought "Blame It On The Rain" was a Grammy song. 901 00:56:47,464 --> 00:56:49,433 They laughed at me and they're like, "Trust me, 902 00:56:49,533 --> 00:56:52,703 Milli Vanilli's never gonna get nominated for a Grammy." 903 00:56:52,803 --> 00:56:54,672 So I called National Academy of 904 00:56:54,772 --> 00:56:56,206 Recording Arts and Sciences. 905 00:56:56,306 --> 00:56:57,975 They put me right through to Mike Greene's office, 906 00:56:58,075 --> 00:57:00,577 the president of NARAS. 907 00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:03,513 I had no idea how somebody actually does get nominated, 908 00:57:03,614 --> 00:57:05,515 and he said, "Oh, you just put it on 909 00:57:05,616 --> 00:57:07,618 "your management company letterhead, 910 00:57:07,718 --> 00:57:10,755 'please consider Milli Vanilli for a Grammy.'" 911 00:57:10,855 --> 00:57:13,991 So I typed it up and faxed it off to the Academy. 912 00:57:14,091 --> 00:57:16,393 Never thought another thing about it. 913 00:57:16,493 --> 00:57:20,130 So when that ballot came out and Milli Vanilli was on it, 914 00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:23,333 like, just everything hit the fan. 915 00:57:23,433 --> 00:57:25,970 Clive called Sandy and threw a hissy fit, 916 00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:28,706 and then Sandy called me absolutely furious, 917 00:57:28,806 --> 00:57:30,808 like, "Look what you've done!" 918 00:57:30,908 --> 00:57:32,476 I'm like, 919 00:57:32,576 --> 00:57:34,712 "why doesn't anybody want them to have a Grammy award?" 920 00:57:42,186 --> 00:57:45,155 If Milli Vanilli had been nominated for 921 00:57:45,255 --> 00:57:47,424 the lip-sync awards, that would've been fine, 922 00:57:47,524 --> 00:57:52,062 but they got nominated for this prestigious musical award 923 00:57:52,162 --> 00:57:54,098 and they were up against people who produce music 924 00:57:54,198 --> 00:57:56,100 and write music and sing. 925 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,567 They were up against the Indigo Girls... 926 00:57:57,668 --> 00:58:01,806 ♪ Closer I am to fine 927 00:58:01,906 --> 00:58:03,774 This incredible folk duo who sang 928 00:58:03,874 --> 00:58:06,043 these beautiful, deep songs. 929 00:58:07,277 --> 00:58:08,846 They were up against Tone Loc. 930 00:58:08,946 --> 00:58:10,480 ♪ Funky Cold Medina 931 00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:13,483 Tone Loc made brilliantly constructed records, 932 00:58:13,583 --> 00:58:16,186 full of incredibly clever rhythmic artifice. 933 00:58:16,286 --> 00:58:18,288 - * Sweetness - Neneh Cherry, who had 934 00:58:18,388 --> 00:58:21,391 a really interesting debut album and had a lot to say. 935 00:58:21,491 --> 00:58:22,993 ♪ We always hang in a buffalo stance ♪ 936 00:58:23,093 --> 00:58:25,162 ♪ Back to life 937 00:58:25,262 --> 00:58:29,499 Soul II Soul changed the way R&B music sounded. 938 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,136 They changed the way music moved. 939 00:58:32,236 --> 00:58:35,072 And so, if I'm one of those artists, 940 00:58:35,172 --> 00:58:36,606 I'm like, "These guys?" 941 00:58:39,509 --> 00:58:44,414 We knew that the Grammys were the highest standard. 942 00:58:47,384 --> 00:58:51,555 Then here we were, you know, Rob and Fab. 943 00:58:51,655 --> 00:58:56,593 Not only that, they want us to perform live. 944 00:58:56,693 --> 00:59:00,497 I thought, how the hell are they going to do the Grammys 945 00:59:00,597 --> 00:59:02,099 when it's all live? 946 00:59:06,603 --> 00:59:08,638 Live-sing. 947 00:59:21,251 --> 00:59:24,421 Michael Greene was the head of NARAS at the time. 948 00:59:24,521 --> 00:59:29,159 I remember taking a picture with him, and him saying, 949 00:59:29,259 --> 00:59:31,962 "Be sure you do it right tonight." 950 00:59:34,164 --> 00:59:36,300 Money, money, money makes the world go 'round. 951 00:59:43,707 --> 00:59:45,309 We're at the Shrine. 952 00:59:45,409 --> 00:59:49,179 I remember getting out of the car and going in. 953 00:59:49,279 --> 00:59:51,515 On that day, it was pressure. 954 00:59:52,716 --> 00:59:53,517 Ladies and gentlemen, 955 00:59:53,617 --> 00:59:56,120 Mr. Mike Greene. - Thank you. 956 00:59:56,220 --> 00:59:57,922 This is a great night for music! 957 00:59:59,689 --> 01:00:01,458 Yeah, boy! 958 01:00:01,558 --> 01:00:04,528 All the stars are in the building. 959 01:00:04,628 --> 01:00:06,663 Woo-hoo! 960 01:00:07,998 --> 01:00:11,101 Finally, it was our turn to be on that stage. 961 01:00:11,201 --> 01:00:13,503 Cold sweat. 962 01:00:13,603 --> 01:00:15,172 Well, girl, you know it's true. 963 01:00:15,272 --> 01:00:18,375 It can only mean Milli Vanilli. 964 01:00:21,846 --> 01:00:23,280 Hit it! 965 01:00:32,556 --> 01:00:34,758 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 966 01:00:34,859 --> 01:00:37,294 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 967 01:00:37,394 --> 01:00:39,663 ♪ And when you pack a smile in everything you do ♪ 968 01:00:39,763 --> 01:00:41,231 Performing in front of the Grammys 969 01:00:41,331 --> 01:00:44,468 with all those artists, that was nerve wracking. 970 01:00:44,568 --> 01:00:47,972 - * And this is true - * Girl, you know it's true 971 01:00:48,072 --> 01:00:51,876 All those people who spent years of their lives 972 01:00:51,976 --> 01:00:53,410 to get to this point, 973 01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:55,412 and we got here pretty fast. 974 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:11,695 I remember sitting there, 975 01:01:11,795 --> 01:01:14,398 and I think the entire industry knew at that time 976 01:01:14,498 --> 01:01:16,433 that it wasn't them singing. 977 01:01:16,533 --> 01:01:17,935 That was great. 978 01:01:18,035 --> 01:01:20,104 I was actually--I was supposed to be in that number. 979 01:01:20,204 --> 01:01:22,472 I don't know what-- 980 01:01:23,307 --> 01:01:25,209 When he called out the nominees, 981 01:01:25,309 --> 01:01:27,577 you know, it was like, "Man." 982 01:01:27,677 --> 01:01:29,479 This year, the nominees for Best New Artist 983 01:01:29,579 --> 01:01:31,949 are making all kinds of music. 984 01:01:32,049 --> 01:01:34,919 Each one of them express themself in a unique way 985 01:01:35,019 --> 01:01:37,187 that commands attention. 986 01:01:37,287 --> 01:01:40,324 Now, the nominees for Best New Artist are... 987 01:01:41,225 --> 01:01:43,894 Do Rob and Fab deserve the Grammy? 988 01:01:43,994 --> 01:01:45,829 Neneh Cherry. 989 01:01:45,930 --> 01:01:47,998 That's a tough one. 990 01:01:48,966 --> 01:01:51,135 We didn't sing on the record, so... 991 01:01:51,235 --> 01:01:52,369 Indigo Girls. 992 01:01:53,570 --> 01:01:54,804 No. 993 01:01:55,572 --> 01:01:56,306 But... 994 01:01:59,743 --> 01:02:00,978 Milli Vanilli. 995 01:02:01,078 --> 01:02:03,914 For the pain and everything that we suffered... 996 01:02:04,014 --> 01:02:05,415 Soul II Soul. 997 01:02:05,515 --> 01:02:07,985 And the hard work that we put into, 998 01:02:08,085 --> 01:02:09,319 do we deserve it? 999 01:02:09,419 --> 01:02:10,720 Tone Loc. 1000 01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:16,226 A very small part of me says yes. 1001 01:02:18,262 --> 01:02:20,497 And the Best New Artist is... 1002 01:02:20,597 --> 01:02:23,567 Rob and Fab deserved the Grammy. 1003 01:02:24,168 --> 01:02:25,235 Milli Vanilli. 1004 01:02:35,379 --> 01:02:36,880 "Oh, my God." 1005 01:02:36,981 --> 01:02:39,916 Frank goes, "Now, everybody's watching." 1006 01:02:51,695 --> 01:02:53,363 Uh, we want to say thank you very much, 1007 01:02:53,463 --> 01:02:56,100 but we want to say there are a lot of artists 1008 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,767 here in this room, 1009 01:02:57,867 --> 01:03:00,570 there are a lot of artists outside in the world 1010 01:03:00,670 --> 01:03:03,707 who could achieve the same award that we achieved today, 1011 01:03:03,807 --> 01:03:05,875 and it's an award for all artists in the world. 1012 01:03:05,976 --> 01:03:07,311 Thank you very much. 1013 01:03:08,979 --> 01:03:11,415 Thank you. 1014 01:03:11,515 --> 01:03:13,417 It was a joke that went too far. 1015 01:03:13,517 --> 01:03:16,486 And once they crossed that line into 1016 01:03:16,586 --> 01:03:20,657 something that people really care about, 1017 01:03:20,757 --> 01:03:23,827 that was the beginning of the end for Rob and Fab. 1018 01:03:25,495 --> 01:03:27,797 Once they won the Grammy... 1019 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,803 Once they won the Grammy, 1020 01:03:33,903 --> 01:03:36,340 they hung they selves. 1021 01:03:49,719 --> 01:03:52,422 The afterparty for the Grammys, 1022 01:03:52,522 --> 01:03:54,924 oh, man, we were already faded. 1023 01:03:59,729 --> 01:04:03,067 I remember having to listen to Mr. Clive Davis. 1024 01:04:05,402 --> 01:04:07,571 We were so high 1025 01:04:07,671 --> 01:04:09,439 that it took a lot of energy 1026 01:04:09,539 --> 01:04:12,209 to just keep the stuff together. 1027 01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:19,716 Frankly, Rob and Fab didn't do themselves any favors. 1028 01:04:22,152 --> 01:04:26,056 They were just acting arrogant and, frankly, obnoxious. 1029 01:04:39,836 --> 01:04:42,772 "I have no time. Who's Paul McCartney?" 1030 01:04:45,709 --> 01:04:49,713 When they won, Rob and Fab were way up here, 1031 01:04:49,813 --> 01:04:51,981 these big stars that just won a Grammy. 1032 01:04:52,082 --> 01:04:53,150 And the bigger they got, 1033 01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:55,852 the more celebrity they became. 1034 01:04:57,487 --> 01:04:59,689 They had to have Avión in the limousine, 1035 01:04:59,789 --> 01:05:01,525 sushi in the dressing room. 1036 01:05:01,625 --> 01:05:04,328 They wanted for nothing. 1037 01:05:04,428 --> 01:05:06,963 The stardom made them crazy. 1038 01:05:07,063 --> 01:05:09,766 Rob said, "Oh, can you turn on my voice?" 1039 01:05:09,866 --> 01:05:12,669 And Frank said, "It's not your voice!" 1040 01:05:12,769 --> 01:05:15,505 Believe it. It's Brad Howell's voice. 1041 01:05:15,605 --> 01:05:19,276 He was singing with my voice during playback 1042 01:05:19,376 --> 01:05:21,411 and believing that's his own voice. 1043 01:05:21,511 --> 01:05:23,580 They were believing this. 1044 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,616 They started to forget the reality 1045 01:05:26,716 --> 01:05:28,518 that they didn't sing. 1046 01:05:30,654 --> 01:05:32,055 So they were doing this interview one time 1047 01:05:32,156 --> 01:05:33,790 and they said they were better than The Beatles. 1048 01:05:38,695 --> 01:05:40,464 Think about waking up every day and knowing that 1049 01:05:40,564 --> 01:05:41,965 you don't sing any of the vocals, 1050 01:05:42,065 --> 01:05:43,800 and then saying you're better than The Beatles. 1051 01:05:46,136 --> 01:05:48,738 I mean, that takes, like, giant stones. 1052 01:05:48,838 --> 01:05:52,242 You've really gotta believe your own bullshit to say that. 1053 01:05:52,342 --> 01:05:55,745 They got caught up in it. 1054 01:05:55,845 --> 01:05:58,148 At that point, they thought they had the power, 1055 01:05:58,248 --> 01:05:59,783 and they did, to some degree. 1056 01:05:59,883 --> 01:06:02,319 They said, you know, "We're in control now." 1057 01:06:04,688 --> 01:06:06,690 Millions and millions of dollars were at stake 1058 01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:10,059 and people depended on them. 1059 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,396 Frank depended on them. 1060 01:06:12,496 --> 01:06:14,598 Clive depended on them. 1061 01:06:14,698 --> 01:06:18,235 Everybody depended on Milli Vanilli doing their job. 1062 01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:23,607 Frank Farian was already preparing album number two, 1063 01:06:23,707 --> 01:06:25,309 "Keep On Running," and they wanted us 1064 01:06:25,409 --> 01:06:31,648 to get back to Germany to go promote the second album. 1065 01:06:31,748 --> 01:06:36,019 But Rob and Fab were done. 1066 01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:38,522 We wanted to sing. 1067 01:06:38,622 --> 01:06:41,124 We wanted to come out as singers. 1068 01:06:45,629 --> 01:06:49,433 At Arista, we had a weekly luncheon 1069 01:06:49,533 --> 01:06:52,302 in the conference room. 1070 01:06:52,402 --> 01:06:55,905 One day, Clive got a call and he walked into the kitchen. 1071 01:06:58,475 --> 01:07:00,210 And then came back out and he goes, 1072 01:07:00,310 --> 01:07:04,281 "They want to sing on the second album." 1073 01:07:04,381 --> 01:07:08,552 And I remember him saying, "That's not gonna happen." 1074 01:07:16,393 --> 01:07:18,695 "Oh, but I would like to sing." 1075 01:07:18,795 --> 01:07:20,730 "Yeah, Rob, it's impossible. 1076 01:07:20,830 --> 01:07:22,799 "You cannot sing and Fab cannot sing, 1077 01:07:22,899 --> 01:07:24,768 so please stop talking." 1078 01:07:26,403 --> 01:07:30,740 We couldn't continue to be his marionette. 1079 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,942 Hey, listen. 1080 01:07:33,042 --> 01:07:34,711 Done with this. 1081 01:07:34,811 --> 01:07:37,347 So we started to lawyer up, 1082 01:07:37,447 --> 01:07:39,549 and then that's when we found out 1083 01:07:39,649 --> 01:07:44,087 we signed a contract for multiple albums. 1084 01:07:44,187 --> 01:07:46,022 We had no clue. 1085 01:07:46,122 --> 01:07:50,260 So to get out of under the thumb of Frank Farian, 1086 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,162 we played a game of cat and mouse. 1087 01:07:54,798 --> 01:07:58,201 Our MO was to hurt him. 1088 01:07:58,302 --> 01:08:01,271 Let's push him to a brink where he's gonna break, 1089 01:08:01,371 --> 01:08:04,073 and then he's gonna say, "You know what? I'm tired. 1090 01:08:04,173 --> 01:08:06,075 Go away." 1091 01:08:06,175 --> 01:08:07,711 You know, we didn't show up to the video of 1092 01:08:07,811 --> 01:08:09,813 "Keep On Running." 1093 01:08:09,913 --> 01:08:13,483 And we told him, "More money. More money." 1094 01:08:13,583 --> 01:08:15,184 He's like, "No, I'm not doing that! 1095 01:08:15,285 --> 01:08:16,986 What else do you want?" 1096 01:08:24,328 --> 01:08:27,397 They told Frank, "If you don't give us 150,000, 1097 01:08:27,497 --> 01:08:29,599 "we will go to the producer and telling them that 1098 01:08:29,699 --> 01:08:32,268 we are not the guys who singing on the tape." 1099 01:09:02,766 --> 01:09:05,502 The story broke in "The Los Angeles Times" 1100 01:09:05,602 --> 01:09:06,536 and all hell broke loose. 1101 01:09:16,846 --> 01:09:18,915 Frank threw Rob and Fab under the bus. 1102 01:09:19,015 --> 01:09:22,652 ♪ I knew it from the start, you would break my heart ♪ 1103 01:09:22,752 --> 01:09:25,922 ♪ But still, I had to play this painful part ♪ 1104 01:09:26,022 --> 01:09:28,425 ♪ You wrapped me around your little bitty finger ♪ 1105 01:09:44,974 --> 01:09:46,876 He basically brushed it off and said, 1106 01:09:46,976 --> 01:09:48,144 "You know, yeah, they didn't sing..." 1107 01:09:48,244 --> 01:09:51,314 ♪ I just don't know what I should do ♪ 1108 01:09:51,415 --> 01:09:53,116 "And who cares?" 1109 01:09:58,555 --> 01:10:00,023 Very quickly after that, 1110 01:10:00,123 --> 01:10:02,492 the whole train came off the tracks. 1111 01:10:02,592 --> 01:10:09,198 ♪ It's a tragedy for me to see the dream is over ♪ 1112 01:10:09,298 --> 01:10:13,136 ♪ And I never will forget the day we met ♪ 1113 01:10:13,236 --> 01:10:14,771 ♪ Girl, I'm gonna miss you 1114 01:10:18,274 --> 01:10:20,710 The pop music world's in shock tonight-- 1115 01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:22,345 With the revelation that pop duo-- 1116 01:10:22,446 --> 01:10:23,680 Milli Vanilli didn't sing. 1117 01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:25,148 So, girl, you know it's not true. 1118 01:10:25,248 --> 01:10:28,117 Well, I am shocked. 1119 01:10:28,217 --> 01:10:30,920 It was the lead-in story on all the news. 1120 01:10:31,020 --> 01:10:32,088 More embarrassment today 1121 01:10:32,188 --> 01:10:33,990 for the pop singing group Milli Vanilli. 1122 01:10:34,090 --> 01:10:38,662 Milli Vanilli turns out to be a lot of phony baloney. 1123 01:10:38,762 --> 01:10:41,765 And it didn't just hit America; 1124 01:10:41,865 --> 01:10:43,232 it hit worldwide. 1125 01:10:51,941 --> 01:10:53,943 One pop group this week has been involved in 1126 01:10:54,043 --> 01:10:55,545 a feverish controversy. 1127 01:10:55,645 --> 01:10:57,313 And then NARAS got involved. 1128 01:10:57,413 --> 01:10:59,849 There's too many doubts that have been cast now 1129 01:10:59,949 --> 01:11:02,986 for us not to go forward and try to find out the truth. 1130 01:11:03,086 --> 01:11:06,890 The credibility of the Grammy depends on it. 1131 01:11:06,990 --> 01:11:09,993 Having to give back their Grammy, 1132 01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:15,331 it's the only time that has happened in music history. 1133 01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:18,334 There was no recovering from that. 1134 01:11:18,434 --> 01:11:22,772 The only way that that could be ridden was to own it. 1135 01:11:26,843 --> 01:11:30,079 Robert Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan. 1136 01:11:34,584 --> 01:11:36,285 Come together. Come together. 1137 01:11:36,385 --> 01:11:38,488 - Come together, guys! - Right here! Right here! 1138 01:11:38,588 --> 01:11:41,057 - Right here. - Straight ahead. 1139 01:11:41,157 --> 01:11:43,693 Fabrice and me, we lived together in a project 1140 01:11:43,793 --> 01:11:46,262 with two other musicians in Munich. 1141 01:11:46,362 --> 01:11:48,798 We--we had nothing to eat. We weren't happy. 1142 01:11:48,898 --> 01:11:52,001 We wanted to be stars. We want to get up on top. 1143 01:11:52,101 --> 01:11:54,103 So suddenly, this guy gave us a chance and we took it. 1144 01:11:54,203 --> 01:11:55,772 He gave us a little bit money. 1145 01:11:55,872 --> 01:11:59,442 We were young, naive, and we believed him. 1146 01:11:59,543 --> 01:12:01,310 It was an opportunity for us. 1147 01:12:01,410 --> 01:12:04,380 We feel really, really sorry about our fans, 1148 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:08,918 but we just hope that they understand that we were young, 1149 01:12:09,018 --> 01:12:11,454 that we just wanted to live the life the American way. 1150 01:12:19,195 --> 01:12:20,897 Of course. Yeah. 1151 01:12:20,997 --> 01:12:22,932 You're absolutely right. I was seduced. 1152 01:12:23,032 --> 01:12:24,834 You have to understand we were seduced, 1153 01:12:24,934 --> 01:12:27,837 we were abused, and we felt very guilty, 1154 01:12:27,937 --> 01:12:29,005 and we're happy that it's over, you know? 1155 01:12:29,105 --> 01:12:31,207 We don't understand that it's us, 1156 01:12:31,307 --> 01:12:33,142 the two little guys from Germany, 1157 01:12:33,242 --> 01:12:35,344 the victims who has to play suddenly 1158 01:12:35,444 --> 01:12:38,081 the crux of a trial that we are not. 1159 01:12:46,022 --> 01:12:48,291 I will describe it like this. 1160 01:12:48,391 --> 01:12:49,458 You get something, 1161 01:12:49,559 --> 01:12:51,494 but for that, you make a pact with the devil. 1162 01:12:56,065 --> 01:12:57,867 I think you should go with this tape. 1163 01:12:57,967 --> 01:12:59,168 We give you each a tape. 1164 01:12:59,268 --> 01:13:01,404 You can take it to a scientist-- 1165 01:13:01,504 --> 01:13:03,673 But you could-- 1166 01:13:03,773 --> 01:13:04,908 OK, I demonstrate! 1167 01:13:05,008 --> 01:13:08,077 Fuck it. I do it. Let's do it. 1168 01:13:08,177 --> 01:13:11,581 ♪ Girl, you know it's true 1169 01:13:11,681 --> 01:13:16,085 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 1170 01:13:16,185 --> 01:13:18,287 ♪ I'm in love with you, girl, 'cause you're on my mind ♪ 1171 01:13:18,387 --> 01:13:20,556 ♪ You're the one I think about most every time ♪ 1172 01:13:20,657 --> 01:13:23,259 ♪ When you crack a smile in everything you do ♪ 1173 01:13:27,631 --> 01:13:29,265 Yeah, I understand-- I really understand them. 1174 01:13:29,365 --> 01:13:31,267 I have to say I understand them. 1175 01:13:38,141 --> 01:13:41,077 - That's a good question, but-- - A lot of your fans-- 1176 01:13:41,177 --> 01:13:43,980 a lot of your fans will be very upset by the fact 1177 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:47,150 that the only way you can explain the charade, 1178 01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:50,119 the farce, the fakery of the last year, two years, 1179 01:13:50,219 --> 01:13:52,188 is money. - It's not. 1180 01:13:52,288 --> 01:13:53,890 This is fame-- - There's no other reason. 1181 01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:56,325 That's the only pressure that Farian put on you, 1182 01:13:56,425 --> 01:13:58,161 was financial-- - Do you live in a project? 1183 01:13:58,261 --> 01:13:59,996 Did you live in a project? 1184 01:14:00,096 --> 01:14:03,166 We had no money, we wanted to be stars. 1185 01:14:03,266 --> 01:14:06,435 We think we are talented. We love to be onstage. 1186 01:14:06,535 --> 01:14:08,604 That's our first aim. It wasn't money. 1187 01:14:08,705 --> 01:14:11,240 If we wouldn't have accept that at the start, 1188 01:14:11,340 --> 01:14:13,076 we knew we would be still in Munich. 1189 01:14:13,176 --> 01:14:14,477 I would still work at the McDonalds. 1190 01:14:15,745 --> 01:14:17,280 OK, thank you very much. 1191 01:14:17,647 --> 01:14:19,282 Thank you very much. 1192 01:14:42,138 --> 01:14:44,573 They ate 'em up like sharks. 1193 01:14:45,474 --> 01:14:48,111 They were the town spectacle. 1194 01:14:50,113 --> 01:14:52,248 New weasel boys of the record world. 1195 01:14:52,348 --> 01:14:54,517 Did you know they were exposed for not actually appearing on 1196 01:14:54,617 --> 01:14:55,985 their Grammy-award winning record album? 1197 01:14:56,085 --> 01:14:57,386 They do not sing... 1198 01:14:57,486 --> 01:14:58,955 - Do not sing on it at all. - On their own record. 1199 01:14:59,055 --> 01:15:01,691 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, you are through ♪ 1200 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:07,463 The response was swift and it was harsh. 1201 01:15:09,165 --> 01:15:11,034 They stopped playing on radio, 1202 01:15:11,134 --> 01:15:13,169 Arista Records took it out of circulation, 1203 01:15:13,269 --> 01:15:14,738 and then, to top it all off, 1204 01:15:14,838 --> 01:15:17,173 there were, like, two dozen class action lawsuits 1205 01:15:17,273 --> 01:15:18,875 from fans who were just pissed. 1206 01:15:18,975 --> 01:15:21,845 A California woman who bought the album for her son 1207 01:15:21,945 --> 01:15:23,679 is suing to get a refund. 1208 01:15:23,780 --> 01:15:24,981 When I listened to the music, 1209 01:15:25,081 --> 01:15:27,150 I would sort of picture them singing, 1210 01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:28,952 and that's--that's how I looked up to them. 1211 01:15:29,052 --> 01:15:31,287 They sued them for fraud and racketeering. 1212 01:15:31,387 --> 01:15:32,989 Listen carefully to this important message 1213 01:15:33,089 --> 01:15:34,357 about a pending Milli Vanilli lawsuit 1214 01:15:34,457 --> 01:15:37,293 that may affect your rights. 1215 01:15:37,393 --> 01:15:40,129 I remember being surprised by the animosity, 1216 01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:41,931 and the amount of anger behind that 1217 01:15:42,031 --> 01:15:44,000 seemed outsized for what happened. 1218 01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:45,835 I mean, Milli Vanilli, to be clear, 1219 01:15:45,935 --> 01:15:48,304 had a largely white audience, 1220 01:15:48,404 --> 01:15:51,507 so a part of the betrayal that was felt was, 1221 01:15:51,607 --> 01:15:53,276 "I can't believe I listened to these Black guys 1222 01:15:53,376 --> 01:15:54,510 singing these songs and it really wasn't them." 1223 01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:55,979 You're gonna have a movie now, 1224 01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:58,381 "The Milli Vanilli Story." Is that beautiful? 1225 01:15:58,481 --> 01:16:00,917 I play Fab, one of the dudes in Milli Vanilli. 1226 01:16:01,017 --> 01:16:04,754 - * Girl, I love you - * I love you 1227 01:16:04,854 --> 01:16:08,257 It was really ugly to see that sort of hostility 1228 01:16:08,357 --> 01:16:11,027 directed at Rob and Fab. 1229 01:16:11,127 --> 01:16:12,762 Rob Pilatus told "The LA Times" that 1230 01:16:12,862 --> 01:16:16,833 his family back in Germany was getting harassed as well. 1231 01:16:21,237 --> 01:16:23,572 Management was gone. 1232 01:16:23,672 --> 01:16:26,242 Label was gone. 1233 01:16:26,342 --> 01:16:28,611 No representative of a major record company 1234 01:16:28,711 --> 01:16:32,949 would discuss them with CNN on camera. 1235 01:16:33,049 --> 01:16:35,618 Frank came out of it unscathed. 1236 01:16:48,531 --> 01:16:52,235 Rob and Fab deserved to be called out, certainly. 1237 01:16:52,335 --> 01:16:54,838 But it was weird that people didn't come down on 1238 01:16:54,938 --> 01:16:57,874 Frank and Arista and Clive 1239 01:16:57,974 --> 01:17:00,443 in the way that you would think. 1240 01:17:00,543 --> 01:17:02,278 There was plausible deniability, I think, 1241 01:17:02,378 --> 01:17:03,746 for Arista, anyway. 1242 01:17:03,847 --> 01:17:06,482 I mean, it was easy for them to say, "We didn't know," 1243 01:17:06,582 --> 01:17:08,717 and nobody could prove that they knew it, 1244 01:17:08,818 --> 01:17:10,920 so they got off the hook. 1245 01:17:27,370 --> 01:17:29,005 I mean, I just know personally, 1246 01:17:29,105 --> 01:17:30,473 that we knew before the Grammys, 1247 01:17:30,573 --> 01:17:32,575 so there's no--there was no question about it. 1248 01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:35,344 Yeah, maybe six months before. 1249 01:17:40,884 --> 01:17:43,086 "Why didn't anybody from the label speak out," 1250 01:17:43,186 --> 01:17:44,820 is that what you're asking me? 1251 01:17:44,921 --> 01:17:46,389 Yeah. 1252 01:17:46,489 --> 01:17:48,324 That's a-- that's a good question. 1253 01:17:48,424 --> 01:17:50,326 I mean, I can't-- 1254 01:17:52,428 --> 01:17:53,930 I have to answer truthfully, 1255 01:17:54,030 --> 01:17:56,665 and I would have to say that, 1256 01:17:56,765 --> 01:18:00,503 that, yeah, I believe that Clive felt that this 1257 01:18:00,603 --> 01:18:02,605 not only wasn't good for Arista, 1258 01:18:02,705 --> 01:18:05,508 but wasn't really good for his reputation 1259 01:18:05,608 --> 01:18:07,877 and for his, you know, history. 1260 01:18:09,946 --> 01:18:13,382 The record company and industry has all of the power, 1261 01:18:13,482 --> 01:18:15,584 so they're gonna use everything they can 1262 01:18:15,684 --> 01:18:19,188 to point the direction at Rob and Fab. 1263 01:18:19,288 --> 01:18:20,924 "Don't look at, we sold these million records. 1264 01:18:21,024 --> 01:18:24,560 "Don't look at the fact that someone inside of our industry 1265 01:18:24,660 --> 01:18:27,296 "had to have known this was going on. 1266 01:18:27,396 --> 01:18:31,034 "No, it's these two guys who barely speak English. 1267 01:18:31,134 --> 01:18:33,369 It's their fault." 1268 01:18:48,284 --> 01:18:50,019 Not only did Frank have no problem 1269 01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:52,421 exploiting Rob and Fab, 1270 01:18:52,521 --> 01:18:56,159 but he also seemed to think them foolish 1271 01:18:56,259 --> 01:18:59,528 and beneath him. 1272 01:18:59,628 --> 01:19:01,897 And just like his lineage of 1273 01:19:01,998 --> 01:19:06,369 treating Black artists as disposable, 1274 01:19:06,469 --> 01:19:11,240 he chose to get what he needed and disposed of them. 1275 01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:12,741 - We regret it. - We regretted it... 1276 01:19:12,841 --> 01:19:14,177 200,000 times. 1277 01:19:14,277 --> 01:19:15,945 Lying in front of my mom, 1278 01:19:16,045 --> 01:19:17,313 lying in front of the job. 1279 01:19:17,413 --> 01:19:18,781 - Everybody. - Lying in front of everybody. 1280 01:19:18,881 --> 01:19:21,985 They were young, just like me, 1281 01:19:22,085 --> 01:19:25,021 looking to achieve something 1282 01:19:25,121 --> 01:19:27,356 in the music branch, 1283 01:19:27,456 --> 01:19:29,692 just like me. 1284 01:19:29,792 --> 01:19:32,328 So what do you do? 1285 01:19:34,163 --> 01:19:39,302 You followed the light, but it's the wrong light. 1286 01:19:39,402 --> 01:19:43,006 At the end of the tunnel, the light goes out, 1287 01:19:43,106 --> 01:19:46,142 and what happens? 1288 01:19:46,242 --> 01:19:49,012 Don't nobody care. 1289 01:19:51,180 --> 01:19:54,750 It's just another scandal. 1290 01:19:54,850 --> 01:19:57,486 And the number one new job for Milli Vanilli, "Who cares? 1291 01:19:57,586 --> 01:20:00,589 Just as long as we don't hear from them ever again." 1292 01:21:02,185 --> 01:21:04,253 Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be 1293 01:21:04,353 --> 01:21:05,688 another twist to the story-- 1294 01:21:17,866 --> 01:21:20,836 So, you know, the thing about Frank, 1295 01:21:20,936 --> 01:21:22,838 he's always a step ahead of everybody, right? 1296 01:21:25,408 --> 01:21:27,576 He had already recorded the second record, 1297 01:21:27,676 --> 01:21:29,145 and he dropped it, 1298 01:21:29,245 --> 01:21:31,280 like, right after this whole thing blew up. 1299 01:21:34,750 --> 01:21:36,685 Frank Farian called me up and said, 1300 01:21:36,785 --> 01:21:40,323 "John, now you and Brad are gonna be stars of the show." 1301 01:21:40,423 --> 01:21:42,591 ♪ Elaborate on the microphone 1302 01:21:42,691 --> 01:21:44,493 ♪ Pumping some knowledge 'cause my brain ain't stoned ♪ 1303 01:21:44,593 --> 01:21:46,129 It's called The Real Milli Vanilli, 1304 01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:48,464 "The Moment of Truth." 1305 01:21:48,564 --> 01:21:52,435 But again, it's all another facade. 1306 01:21:52,535 --> 01:21:54,036 This guy was never in the band. 1307 01:21:54,137 --> 01:21:56,839 He's just another guy who Frank recruited. 1308 01:21:56,939 --> 01:21:58,941 That girl had nothing to do with the first album, 1309 01:21:59,041 --> 01:22:01,344 she had nothing to do with the second album. 1310 01:22:01,444 --> 01:22:04,980 We are still on that album, Jodie and I. 1311 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,452 But Frank said, no touring, no video, no being seen. 1312 01:22:09,552 --> 01:22:11,720 ♪ Listen to what he says 1313 01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:12,955 "Linda, hope you understand. 1314 01:22:13,055 --> 01:22:14,357 "I have a certain look that I want. 1315 01:22:14,457 --> 01:22:15,858 You're not Black." 1316 01:22:15,958 --> 01:22:18,060 ♪ I'm not into bragging, strutting, or bigotry ♪ 1317 01:22:18,161 --> 01:22:19,928 ♪ Or bigotry 1318 01:22:20,028 --> 01:22:22,465 Don't ask me how I felt. Well, go ahead, ask me. 1319 01:22:22,565 --> 01:22:24,333 - Yeah, how did you feel? - I felt horrible! 1320 01:22:24,433 --> 01:22:26,135 Oh, I was incensed. 1321 01:22:26,235 --> 01:22:29,872 ♪ Keep on running, baby 1322 01:22:29,972 --> 01:22:32,241 You've got to be kidding me. 1323 01:22:32,341 --> 01:22:35,043 It was almost as big a lie as the first Milli Vanilli. 1324 01:22:35,144 --> 01:22:36,645 ♪ Keep on running 1325 01:22:36,745 --> 01:22:39,148 - This was Frank's MO. - * Baby 1326 01:22:39,248 --> 01:22:41,083 He already did Boney M., 1327 01:22:41,184 --> 01:22:44,853 and then Milli Vanilli, and he's like, "Hey, man, 1328 01:22:44,953 --> 01:22:46,889 this is my 'Fast and Furious 10'." 1329 01:22:46,989 --> 01:22:48,391 I'm just gonna keep making these things 1330 01:22:48,491 --> 01:22:50,493 because you love 'em," 1331 01:22:50,593 --> 01:22:54,197 so why would he change his stripes? 1332 01:22:58,267 --> 01:23:01,370 Do you know what they are doing now, Rob and Fab? 1333 01:23:01,470 --> 01:23:03,105 Well, they have a new single out-- 1334 01:23:03,206 --> 01:23:05,374 - It's not out yet. - It's not out actually. 1335 01:23:05,474 --> 01:23:06,909 They don't-- they don't have a label. 1336 01:23:07,009 --> 01:23:09,011 A lot of record companies are scared to touch them right now 1337 01:23:09,111 --> 01:23:11,280 because, well, if you know somebody can't sing, 1338 01:23:11,380 --> 01:23:12,581 why produce them? 1339 01:23:12,681 --> 01:23:15,083 So you want to sing a little bit for us? 1340 01:23:15,184 --> 01:23:17,586 Yeah, we come in here with our live band 1341 01:23:17,686 --> 01:23:18,687 and we would love to sing. 1342 01:23:18,787 --> 01:23:20,155 No, how about right now? 1343 01:23:20,256 --> 01:23:21,557 Sing something off your album. 1344 01:23:21,657 --> 01:23:24,026 - Um... 1345 01:23:24,126 --> 01:23:25,928 Some of the verse from the first single? 1346 01:23:26,028 --> 01:23:28,531 Uh, yeah, OK. 1347 01:23:28,631 --> 01:23:31,133 ♪ Girl Back together. 1348 01:23:31,234 --> 01:23:32,435 ♪ Girl 1349 01:23:32,535 --> 01:23:36,672 both: ♪ Do you want to get it on 1350 01:23:36,772 --> 01:23:40,776 ♪ Then tell me now 1351 01:23:42,077 --> 01:23:44,447 Now Rob and Fab are courageously trying to 1352 01:23:44,547 --> 01:23:47,049 make a comeback, real voices and all. 1353 01:23:47,149 --> 01:23:50,353 both: * I just want to be your everything ♪ 1354 01:23:50,453 --> 01:23:52,955 For the last year, they've been working on a new album, 1355 01:23:53,055 --> 01:23:55,458 on the dance steps, and on the singing. 1356 01:23:55,558 --> 01:23:57,726 They've got a new sexy video. 1357 01:23:57,826 --> 01:24:01,697 ♪ Girl, can you tell me now 1358 01:24:01,797 --> 01:24:04,333 ♪ Straight up what's up 1359 01:24:04,433 --> 01:24:06,469 ♪ So what's a man supposed to do ♪ 1360 01:24:06,569 --> 01:24:11,874 ♪ Oh - * Do you want to get it on 1361 01:24:13,075 --> 01:24:15,711 So this is the "We Can Get It On" 1362 01:24:15,811 --> 01:24:19,382 12 inch LP single by Rob & Fab. 1363 01:24:19,482 --> 01:24:21,517 They're just, like, badasses, you know? 1364 01:24:21,617 --> 01:24:23,552 They're like, "Yeah, we're hot. We know it." 1365 01:24:26,255 --> 01:24:30,192 The expectation of the record was based on curiosity alone 1366 01:24:30,293 --> 01:24:33,862 they could sell a million copies of the record. 1367 01:24:33,962 --> 01:24:39,001 But the Rob & Fab album sold 2,000 copies worldwide, 1368 01:24:39,101 --> 01:24:42,871 which is not good. 1369 01:24:42,971 --> 01:24:45,841 By the time the Rob & Fab record came out, 1370 01:24:45,941 --> 01:24:48,176 people were just not that interested 1371 01:24:48,277 --> 01:24:49,478 in the spectacle anymore. 1372 01:25:07,863 --> 01:25:14,537 That's when we... grew apart. 1373 01:25:14,637 --> 01:25:18,841 Rob was going in his own tunnel 1374 01:25:18,941 --> 01:25:21,744 and didn't want to come out, really. 1375 01:25:39,728 --> 01:25:44,299 The team Rob and Fab had fractured. 1376 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:49,772 He didn't see me as-- as his brother anymore. 1377 01:25:49,872 --> 01:25:52,140 And that hurt. 1378 01:26:24,373 --> 01:26:26,241 Now, where have you been for the past six years? 1379 01:26:26,341 --> 01:26:28,176 Well, the past six years, I was in Los Angeles 1380 01:26:28,276 --> 01:26:29,778 undercover, you know, doing my thing. 1381 01:26:29,878 --> 01:26:31,346 You have an accent. Where are you from? 1382 01:26:31,447 --> 01:26:32,347 I'm from Paris. I'm French. 1383 01:26:32,448 --> 01:26:33,682 - From Paris. - Yeah. 1384 01:26:33,782 --> 01:26:35,418 Now, listen, you've got some new music... 1385 01:26:35,518 --> 01:26:36,785 That's true, yeah. 1386 01:26:36,885 --> 01:26:38,954 And you are actually singing on this damn thing. 1387 01:26:39,054 --> 01:26:40,823 - That's right. - Yeah. 1388 01:26:40,923 --> 01:26:43,025 Put it together for Fabrice Morvan. 1389 01:26:44,927 --> 01:26:47,896 ♪ Come on, children 1390 01:26:47,996 --> 01:26:50,633 both: ♪ If you see what I see 1391 01:26:50,733 --> 01:26:53,035 ♪ And you know what I feel 1392 01:26:53,135 --> 01:26:55,170 For me, performing was vindication. 1393 01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:58,807 both: ♪ And we'll find a solution 1394 01:26:58,907 --> 01:27:01,910 I was able to, like, blossom as a singer 1395 01:27:02,010 --> 01:27:04,246 and do what I was supposed to do in the first place. 1396 01:27:04,346 --> 01:27:10,453 ♪ Everybody, join the love revolution ♪ 1397 01:27:12,755 --> 01:27:14,457 - Lovely! - Come on. 1398 01:27:14,557 --> 01:27:15,824 - Hi, baby. - Hi. 1399 01:27:15,924 --> 01:27:18,293 Hey, listen. Do you ever see Rob anymore? 1400 01:27:18,393 --> 01:27:20,629 Well, we don't talk as much as we used to 1401 01:27:20,729 --> 01:27:21,764 because he's doing his own thing, 1402 01:27:21,864 --> 01:27:22,898 I'm doing my own thing, you know? 1403 01:27:22,998 --> 01:27:24,332 We kind of went apart, you know? 1404 01:27:24,433 --> 01:27:26,201 Bands broke up and they do their own thing. 1405 01:27:26,301 --> 01:27:27,536 - Sure. - That's what happened. 1406 01:27:27,636 --> 01:27:28,837 You done joined the love revolution. 1407 01:27:28,937 --> 01:27:30,739 - That's right. - Where do I sign up? 1408 01:27:35,844 --> 01:27:40,182 I was at The Viper Room. 1409 01:27:40,282 --> 01:27:42,985 I was outside. 1410 01:27:43,085 --> 01:27:47,690 I see a dude stumbling across the way. 1411 01:27:47,790 --> 01:27:50,693 As he was falling, his body turned 1412 01:27:50,793 --> 01:27:52,995 and I looked into his eyes and I was like, 1413 01:27:53,095 --> 01:27:55,430 "Oh, my God. This is not true." 1414 01:27:58,066 --> 01:28:01,837 I'm looking at Rob Pilatus. 1415 01:28:01,937 --> 01:28:03,606 So I crossed the street, 1416 01:28:03,706 --> 01:28:04,940 I picked him up, 1417 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:09,344 and I said, "Hey, Rob. It's Fab." 1418 01:28:10,946 --> 01:28:12,715 "Rob, it's Fab. 1419 01:28:12,815 --> 01:28:15,083 Where do you live?" 1420 01:28:15,183 --> 01:28:18,286 And then he said, "There. 1421 01:28:19,688 --> 01:28:22,224 So we ring the doorbell. 1422 01:28:22,324 --> 01:28:23,892 We're like, "Hey, we're there with Rob. 1423 01:28:23,992 --> 01:28:26,762 Like, this is where he live, yes?" 1424 01:28:26,862 --> 01:28:29,164 "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bring him in. 1425 01:28:29,264 --> 01:28:30,833 "It's our boy, man. We--you know, 1426 01:28:30,933 --> 01:28:33,268 he--sometimes, he just wanders." 1427 01:28:33,368 --> 01:28:35,538 And I'm like, "Oh, that looks like 1428 01:28:35,638 --> 01:28:36,805 a crack house to me, man." 1429 01:28:39,107 --> 01:28:43,478 They were doing heavy drugs in that--in that room. 1430 01:28:45,247 --> 01:28:49,885 I'm not surprised 'cause I heard 1431 01:28:49,985 --> 01:28:52,555 that's what he's been doing for a long time. 1432 01:28:52,655 --> 01:28:55,457 But to actually see 1433 01:28:55,558 --> 01:28:58,694 my brother in the street 1434 01:28:58,794 --> 01:29:01,129 looking like this, 1435 01:29:01,229 --> 01:29:04,833 and looking back at my dude in his prime... 1436 01:29:08,971 --> 01:29:12,708 Man, it was like, "Phew." 1437 01:29:12,808 --> 01:29:16,378 I didn't know what to say. 1438 01:29:57,485 --> 01:29:59,688 What'd they do? They just pulled you over? 1439 01:29:59,788 --> 01:30:01,256 Yeah, they pulled me over, man. 1440 01:30:01,356 --> 01:30:02,625 Unfortunately. 1441 01:30:13,268 --> 01:30:16,371 He was lost. Everything had failed. 1442 01:30:16,471 --> 01:30:19,574 He had not been satisfied with anything that he'd ever done. 1443 01:31:27,142 --> 01:31:30,578 He came back from Oberberg Clinic 1444 01:31:30,679 --> 01:31:35,583 and he stayed at a hotel close to my house. 1445 01:31:35,684 --> 01:31:38,553 Next morning, 10:00, I called, no answer. 1446 01:31:38,653 --> 01:31:39,788 11:00, no answer. 1447 01:31:39,888 --> 01:31:41,623 12:00, no answer. 1448 01:31:43,325 --> 01:31:46,161 At 2:00, I said, "I'm going to the hotel right now." 1449 01:31:46,261 --> 01:31:50,165 And we go to his door 1450 01:31:50,265 --> 01:31:52,835 and the chain was from inside, 1451 01:31:52,935 --> 01:31:56,404 so the house master has to open it. 1452 01:31:58,741 --> 01:32:03,078 And--and he was laying there on--on the floor, 1453 01:32:03,178 --> 01:32:07,082 just with shorts. 1454 01:32:09,885 --> 01:32:11,353 Yeah. 1455 01:32:11,453 --> 01:32:12,821 And I was... 1456 01:32:53,095 --> 01:32:54,830 The call came in. 1457 01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:57,132 "Rob is dead." 1458 01:32:58,133 --> 01:33:00,268 I was like, "Wow." 1459 01:33:00,368 --> 01:33:04,672 And then I went into, like, a state of shock. 1460 01:33:04,773 --> 01:33:08,610 And I didn't move for a long time. 1461 01:34:29,391 --> 01:34:31,826 I lost a family member. 1462 01:34:34,129 --> 01:34:35,964 I lost a brother. 1463 01:34:39,267 --> 01:34:43,838 I lost someone that was there with me, walking in my shoes. 1464 01:34:48,343 --> 01:34:50,812 You know? 1465 01:34:54,716 --> 01:34:56,351 That's it. 1466 01:35:14,036 --> 01:35:18,140 When I went to Holland, 1467 01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,409 I was running away from my past. 1468 01:35:24,846 --> 01:35:28,250 He'd introduced himself as Fabrice, 1469 01:35:28,350 --> 01:35:31,553 but I didn't know who he was. 1470 01:35:33,588 --> 01:35:35,390 He had such short hair, 1471 01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:39,327 and he has a different face when he has short hair. 1472 01:35:39,427 --> 01:35:41,096 So in the beginning, actually, when we were dating, 1473 01:35:41,196 --> 01:35:42,764 people were like, "Hey, Tessa, hey, Tessa." 1474 01:35:42,864 --> 01:35:44,899 "Hey, I'll see you tomorrow," and, you know, 1475 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:46,368 I was the one being recognized. 1476 01:35:46,468 --> 01:35:51,739 So there was no signs that he was Milli Vanilli. 1477 01:35:54,042 --> 01:35:55,443 We had just fun together, 1478 01:35:55,543 --> 01:35:56,911 and we were working out together, 1479 01:35:57,012 --> 01:35:59,447 and we had those dates. 1480 01:35:59,547 --> 01:36:01,516 I start to really like this guy, 1481 01:36:01,616 --> 01:36:03,251 and you talk with your friends about, 1482 01:36:03,351 --> 01:36:06,488 you know, your new dating experience. 1483 01:36:06,588 --> 01:36:08,856 One of them said, "Dude, that's Milli Vanilli. 1484 01:36:08,957 --> 01:36:10,358 Hello." 1485 01:36:10,458 --> 01:36:11,926 And I was like, "Well, OK. 1486 01:36:12,027 --> 01:36:13,561 "If that's Milli Vanilli, fine, 1487 01:36:13,661 --> 01:36:15,597 because I like Fabrice, so..." 1488 01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:24,739 I didn't think she would, like, want to be with me. 1489 01:36:24,839 --> 01:36:29,277 I had to tell her, "Listen, my life is not great." 1490 01:36:29,377 --> 01:36:32,147 I was like, "Well, don't worry, you know? 1491 01:36:32,247 --> 01:36:33,915 I got you." 1492 01:36:38,987 --> 01:36:40,122 You already, Sach? 1493 01:36:40,222 --> 01:36:41,289 Drum roll. 1494 01:36:41,389 --> 01:36:43,891 One, two, and three. 1495 01:36:43,992 --> 01:36:46,828 Flip! - Oh! 1496 01:36:46,928 --> 01:36:49,031 When Sacha came, 1497 01:36:49,131 --> 01:36:51,366 when Solange came, 1498 01:36:51,466 --> 01:36:56,704 and now Vince and Paris came, 1499 01:36:56,804 --> 01:36:59,507 then things started flourishing all around me. 1500 01:36:59,607 --> 01:37:01,376 What? - Hey, Sacha, look! 1501 01:37:01,476 --> 01:37:02,877 He's holding the bottle. 1502 01:37:02,977 --> 01:37:04,512 That's a first. 1503 01:37:04,612 --> 01:37:06,748 Look at that. - Cute. 1504 01:37:09,351 --> 01:37:11,653 It's amazing 1505 01:37:11,753 --> 01:37:14,989 to realize that there is another side 1506 01:37:15,090 --> 01:37:17,125 at the end of the tunnel. 1507 01:37:17,225 --> 01:37:18,993 - Together. - Together? 1508 01:37:19,094 --> 01:37:22,264 - Pink. - You want pink? OK. 1509 01:37:22,364 --> 01:37:24,532 It changed everything for me, 1510 01:37:24,632 --> 01:37:26,934 and that part was like, "Hey..." 1511 01:37:27,035 --> 01:37:28,436 Well done, Sach. 1512 01:37:28,536 --> 01:37:32,207 "You don't have to be ashamed about nothing." 1513 01:37:39,981 --> 01:37:41,549 Because of the way human beings and 1514 01:37:41,649 --> 01:37:44,686 their minds are built, 1515 01:37:44,786 --> 01:37:49,891 Milli Vanilli's legacy is they deceived the public 1516 01:37:49,991 --> 01:37:53,828 and tried to get away with it, and then they didn't. 1517 01:37:53,928 --> 01:37:58,166 But what it should be is a cautionary tale. 1518 01:38:01,169 --> 01:38:04,372 All of the answers about how pop music is made 1519 01:38:04,472 --> 01:38:08,042 rest in this story. 1520 01:38:08,143 --> 01:38:12,314 What we want to believe our pop musicians to be 1521 01:38:12,414 --> 01:38:13,848 versus what they actually are. 1522 01:38:17,685 --> 01:38:22,824 Show business is all part of an illusion. 1523 01:38:22,924 --> 01:38:26,328 But that is what pop music is supposed to do. 1524 01:38:26,428 --> 01:38:29,131 It's supposed to take us to an elsewhere. 1525 01:38:31,633 --> 01:38:35,303 Even if we say, "These people deceived the public," 1526 01:38:35,403 --> 01:38:37,038 so fucking what? 1527 01:38:39,174 --> 01:38:40,742 Who was this harming? 1528 01:38:45,413 --> 01:38:48,650 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, I love you 1529 01:38:48,750 --> 01:38:51,219 I've met people that told me, 1530 01:38:51,319 --> 01:38:53,655 "Because of your voice, 1531 01:38:53,755 --> 01:38:56,224 my daughter's here today." 1532 01:38:57,759 --> 01:39:01,062 It was such a big thing for a lot of people. 1533 01:39:01,163 --> 01:39:05,333 So many people went to their high school prom with that. 1534 01:39:05,433 --> 01:39:08,203 That was good music, 1535 01:39:08,303 --> 01:39:09,704 and it's good music today. 1536 01:39:12,207 --> 01:39:14,376 There's no real crime here, 1537 01:39:14,476 --> 01:39:15,477 if we're being honest. 1538 01:39:19,281 --> 01:39:21,183 But it cost a life. 1539 01:39:24,686 --> 01:39:29,824 It also cost both of them lives that they could have had. 1540 01:39:33,828 --> 01:39:38,400 And the heartbreaking thing is that their legacy then became 1541 01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:40,835 that of a punch line. 1542 01:39:48,176 --> 01:39:54,582 There was a time when I would avoid going in public 1543 01:39:54,682 --> 01:39:59,821 because when I heard someone laugh, 1544 01:39:59,921 --> 01:40:03,090 I always thought it was directed to me. 1545 01:40:06,394 --> 01:40:12,033 But now I've reached a point where I've embraced the past. 1546 01:40:15,069 --> 01:40:19,207 I'm proud of being Milli Vanilli. 1547 01:40:19,307 --> 01:40:21,943 I'm proud of being who I am. 1548 01:40:29,784 --> 01:40:32,820 We're going back down memory lane with some more. 1549 01:40:35,357 --> 01:40:37,925 ♪ Woo 1550 01:40:39,861 --> 01:40:42,163 ♪ Got to blame it on something ♪ 1551 01:40:42,264 --> 01:40:45,767 ♪ Got to blame it on something, come on ♪ 1552 01:40:45,867 --> 01:40:50,738 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 1553 01:40:50,838 --> 01:40:55,843 ♪ Blame it on the stars that didn't shine that night ♪ 1554 01:40:55,943 --> 01:41:00,882 ♪ Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you ♪ 1555 01:41:00,982 --> 01:41:04,686 ♪ Blame it on the rain, yeah, yeah ♪ 1556 01:41:04,786 --> 01:41:06,721 When people think of Milli Vanilli... 1557 01:41:06,821 --> 01:41:08,155 ♪ You can blame it on the rain ♪ 1558 01:41:08,256 --> 01:41:10,958 The one thing I want people to think of is that 1559 01:41:11,058 --> 01:41:11,893 when you fall... 1560 01:41:11,993 --> 01:41:13,495 ♪ And the rain don't care 1561 01:41:13,595 --> 01:41:14,896 You can stand back up. 1562 01:41:14,996 --> 01:41:18,366 ♪ You got to blame it on something ♪ 1563 01:41:18,466 --> 01:41:20,368 ♪ Blame it on the rain 1564 01:41:20,468 --> 01:41:24,706 And Rob is part of that. 1565 01:41:24,806 --> 01:41:28,376 I am honoring his name every time I perform onstage. 1566 01:41:28,476 --> 01:41:32,847 ♪ Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you ♪ 1567 01:41:32,947 --> 01:41:36,284 You fall, you stand back up, and you reinvent yourself. 1568 01:41:36,384 --> 01:41:40,722 ♪ Yeah, yeah 1569 01:41:40,822 --> 01:41:43,157 That's the legacy. 1570 01:41:43,257 --> 01:41:48,363 ♪ Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling ♪ 1571 01:41:48,463 --> 01:41:50,532 crowd: ♪ Blame it on the stars 1572 01:41:50,632 --> 01:41:53,134 ♪ That didn't shine that night ♪ 1573 01:41:53,234 --> 01:41:58,540 ♪ Whatever you do, don't put the blame on you ♪ 1574 01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,176 ♪ Blame it on the rain 1575 01:42:02,276 --> 01:42:07,649 ♪ Yeah, yeah 1576 01:42:38,846 --> 01:42:41,015 ♪ Baby, don't be shy when you're holding my hand ♪ 1577 01:42:41,115 --> 01:42:43,485 ♪ 'Cause as time goes by, you got to understand ♪ 1578 01:42:43,585 --> 01:42:45,319 ♪ It's you 1579 01:42:45,420 --> 01:42:48,089 ♪ That it's with you 1580 01:42:48,189 --> 01:42:50,592 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes I see it so clearly ♪ 1581 01:42:50,692 --> 01:42:54,095 ♪ That our love is so strong and you never go wrong ♪ 1582 01:42:54,195 --> 01:42:57,865 - * Baby - * I did the best for you 1583 01:42:57,965 --> 01:43:00,167 ♪ So when you're in doubt and you're needing someone ♪ 1584 01:43:00,267 --> 01:43:03,771 ♪ Baby, call my line, call me anytime ♪ 1585 01:43:03,871 --> 01:43:06,207 - * Baby - * I'll be there for you 1586 01:43:08,476 --> 01:43:13,448 ♪ I've been searching high - * High 1587 01:43:13,548 --> 01:43:15,683 ♪ I've been searching low 1588 01:43:17,519 --> 01:43:18,720 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1589 01:43:18,820 --> 01:43:22,557 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1590 01:43:22,657 --> 01:43:26,961 ♪ Don't forget my number 1591 01:43:27,061 --> 01:43:32,166 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba baby ♪ 1592 01:43:32,266 --> 01:43:36,638 ♪ Love is stronger than thunder ♪ 1593 01:43:36,738 --> 01:43:41,576 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba, ba-ba-ba-ba baby ♪ 1594 01:43:41,676 --> 01:43:46,481 ♪ Don't forget my number 1595 01:43:46,581 --> 01:43:50,785 ♪ Love will see you through 1596 01:43:50,885 --> 01:43:55,523 ♪ I've been searching high 1597 01:43:55,623 --> 01:44:00,962 ♪ I've been searching low 1598 01:44:01,062 --> 01:44:04,365 ♪ Want to spend my life 1599 01:44:04,466 --> 01:44:08,369 ♪ With you 1600 01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:10,605 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1601 01:44:10,705 --> 01:44:13,007 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1602 01:44:13,107 --> 01:44:15,510 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1603 01:44:15,610 --> 01:44:17,779 ♪ And I dance with you 1604 01:44:17,879 --> 01:44:20,081 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1605 01:44:20,181 --> 01:44:22,617 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1606 01:44:22,717 --> 01:44:24,786 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1607 01:44:24,886 --> 01:44:28,422 ♪ Love will see you through 1608 01:44:28,523 --> 01:44:31,025 ♪ Ba-ba-ba baby, in your eyes I can it so good ♪ 1609 01:44:31,125 --> 01:44:34,462 ♪ That our love is so strong and you never go wrong ♪ 1610 01:44:34,562 --> 01:44:38,165 - * Baby - * I do my best for you 1611 01:44:38,265 --> 01:44:40,434 ♪ So when you're in doubt and you're needing someone ♪ 1612 01:44:40,535 --> 01:44:44,138 ♪ Baby, call my line, call me anytime ♪ 1613 01:44:44,238 --> 01:44:46,474 - * Baby - * I'll be there for you 1614 01:44:46,574 --> 01:44:48,743 ♪ You, you 1615 01:44:48,843 --> 01:44:53,447 ♪ I've been searching high - * High 1616 01:44:53,548 --> 01:44:57,852 - * I've been searching low - * Low 1617 01:44:57,952 --> 01:44:58,853 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1618 01:44:58,953 --> 01:45:02,890 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1619 01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:07,428 ♪ Don't forget my number 1620 01:45:07,529 --> 01:45:08,696 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1621 01:45:08,796 --> 01:45:12,399 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1622 01:45:12,500 --> 01:45:16,804 ♪ Love is stronger than thunder ♪ 1623 01:45:16,904 --> 01:45:18,072 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba 1624 01:45:18,172 --> 01:45:22,043 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1625 01:45:22,143 --> 01:45:26,748 ♪ Don't forget my number 1626 01:45:26,848 --> 01:45:30,985 ♪ Love will see you through 1627 01:45:31,085 --> 01:45:34,221 ♪ I've been searching high 1628 01:45:35,890 --> 01:45:41,529 ♪ I've been searching low 1629 01:45:41,629 --> 01:45:44,666 ♪ Want to spend my life 1630 01:45:44,766 --> 01:45:48,703 ♪ With you 1631 01:45:48,803 --> 01:45:50,972 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1632 01:45:51,072 --> 01:45:53,474 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba ba-ba 1633 01:45:53,575 --> 01:45:55,209 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba 1634 01:45:55,309 --> 01:45:59,747 ♪ Love will see you through 1635 01:45:59,847 --> 01:46:04,118 ♪ [vocalizing] 1636 01:46:04,218 --> 01:46:06,654 ♪ Baby, call my line, baby, call my line ♪ 1637 01:46:06,754 --> 01:46:08,923 ♪ [vocalizing] 1638 01:46:09,023 --> 01:46:11,593 ♪ Call me anytime 1639 01:46:11,693 --> 01:46:13,027 ♪ [vocalizing] 1640 01:46:13,127 --> 01:46:17,031 ♪ Ba-ba-ba-ba baby 1641 01:46:17,131 --> 01:46:21,803 ♪ Don't forget my number 1642 01:46:21,903 --> 01:46:24,739 ♪ Love will see you through 1643 01:46:24,839 --> 01:46:26,974 - Is Eddie OK? - I don't know. 119914

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