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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,315 --> 00:00:09,398 (projector whirring) 2 00:00:14,072 --> 00:00:17,572 (slow instrumental music) 3 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:25,950 - [Pauline] The first time I saw a movie on my parents' lap 4 00:00:25,950 --> 00:00:28,553 in a little theater in Petaluma, California, 5 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,527 I knew that was for me. 6 00:00:33,003 --> 00:00:37,120 - [Child] How did you become a film critic? 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,630 - [Pauline] I was lucky I was able to write 8 00:00:39,630 --> 00:00:41,490 about movies in a way that people were 9 00:00:41,490 --> 00:00:42,727 willing to pay me for. 10 00:00:43,783 --> 00:00:45,120 - [Child] What was the first story 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,600 you ever wrote about movies? 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,590 - [Pauline] It was a review 13 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:50,637 of Charlie Chaplin's film "Limelight". 14 00:00:51,509 --> 00:00:56,467 It was con, someone else wrote a review that was pro. 15 00:00:57,820 --> 00:00:59,943 - [Child] How many books did you write? 16 00:01:00,980 --> 00:01:01,813 - [Pauline] 13. 17 00:01:02,740 --> 00:01:06,364 - [Child] What was your favorite story or book 18 00:01:06,364 --> 00:01:08,522 when you were little? 19 00:01:08,522 --> 00:01:11,260 - [Pauline] I loved the Oz books. 20 00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:14,380 I loved all the characters because they didn't 21 00:01:14,380 --> 00:01:16,247 have any message for us they just 22 00:01:16,247 --> 00:01:18,243 were there for our pleasure. 23 00:01:20,675 --> 00:01:25,563 - [Child] What big thing are you most proudest of? 24 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:28,383 - That I survived. 25 00:01:32,580 --> 00:01:37,230 The process is simply thinking, really. 26 00:01:37,230 --> 00:01:42,120 I mean writing is simply putting down what you think. 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,870 And to be paid for thinking and to know 28 00:01:45,870 --> 00:01:48,010 that you're doing something that may even 29 00:01:48,010 --> 00:01:50,770 have some value that some other people might 30 00:01:50,770 --> 00:01:53,590 enjoy that process and share it with you. 31 00:01:53,590 --> 00:01:56,400 I mean that's a marvelous way to live. 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,750 I mean I can't think of any better way to live. 33 00:02:03,580 --> 00:02:05,920 People don't tend to like a good critic. 34 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,520 They tend to hate your guts. 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,860 - Was it something I said? 36 00:02:08,860 --> 00:02:09,770 - If they like you, 37 00:02:09,770 --> 00:02:11,923 I think you should start getting worried. 38 00:02:11,923 --> 00:02:14,610 - It's hard to talk seriously about movies 39 00:02:14,610 --> 00:02:16,340 without mentioning Pauline Kael. 40 00:02:16,340 --> 00:02:19,690 Since 1968, Pauline Kael has written film criticism 41 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:20,540 for The New Yorker. 42 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:22,320 - [Man] She is one of the first movie critics 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,480 to achieve real influence throughout the movie world. 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,130 - [Man] Reading her, one reviewer said, 45 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:28,290 is better than going to the movies. 46 00:02:28,290 --> 00:02:30,090 - [Man] Timeout calls her ludicrous. 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,750 - [Man] Miss Kael, why did you say 48 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:35,230 I had just about given up hope that 49 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:37,970 it was really possible to be a movie critic? 50 00:02:37,970 --> 00:02:39,470 - There had been so much pressure 51 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:41,420 from the movie companies that I wasn't 52 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:43,960 allowed into screenings. 53 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,430 I'd pretty much been forced out of every job 54 00:02:46,430 --> 00:02:49,560 either by editors to cooperate with advertisers. 55 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,393 - You're fired. 56 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,500 - Reader pressure. 57 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:54,440 And I really had thought, well maybe 58 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,070 there's just no way to do it. 59 00:02:56,070 --> 00:02:58,880 - Something you want you ain't got, maybe? 60 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,850 - Yeah. 61 00:02:59,850 --> 00:03:02,950 - She was a woman coming into this boys' club 62 00:03:02,950 --> 00:03:04,620 and shooting from the hip. 63 00:03:04,620 --> 00:03:06,420 - She was writing when a film critic 64 00:03:06,420 --> 00:03:07,990 could create such waves. 65 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:09,550 - She shaped that American New Wave 66 00:03:09,550 --> 00:03:11,030 as much as any filmmaker. 67 00:03:11,030 --> 00:03:13,260 - And if she could make people mad, great. 68 00:03:13,260 --> 00:03:14,539 She would say tough shit. 69 00:03:14,539 --> 00:03:18,010 - Either I'm gonna kill her or I'm beginning to like her! 70 00:03:18,010 --> 00:03:19,520 - Pauline Kael had a voice, 71 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,263 and I understood her voice, 72 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:25,870 - We grew up reading Pauline Kael. 73 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:28,410 - You know no critic has that kind of importance 74 00:03:28,410 --> 00:03:30,470 and relevance that Kael had. 75 00:03:30,470 --> 00:03:33,930 - [Greil] Pauline fell in love with movies, 76 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:35,604 and moments in movies, 77 00:03:35,604 --> 00:03:37,387 and faces in movies, 78 00:03:37,387 --> 00:03:39,890 and the way an actress might turn 79 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:42,030 her head for just a second, 80 00:03:42,030 --> 00:03:44,083 and that's what it was all for. 81 00:03:45,970 --> 00:03:50,730 - Pauline was the first person that I was aware of 82 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:54,443 that was making sense and celebrating these new movies 83 00:03:54,443 --> 00:03:57,403 that were coming out by these unknown directors. 84 00:03:58,550 --> 00:04:00,710 - [Lili] Pauline made Scorsese 85 00:04:00,710 --> 00:04:02,220 with her review of "Mean Streets". 86 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:05,147 She made Spielberg with her review of "Sugarland Express". 87 00:04:06,250 --> 00:04:08,825 - [Man] She brought a real exhilaration to the movies, 88 00:04:08,825 --> 00:04:10,390 and you bought The New Yorker every week 89 00:04:10,390 --> 00:04:12,043 to see what she had to say. 90 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:15,210 - She turned the movie review, 91 00:04:15,210 --> 00:04:17,410 which is this kind of flimsy vehicle, 92 00:04:17,410 --> 00:04:19,780 it's a thumbs up or thumbs down endeavor, 93 00:04:19,780 --> 00:04:21,630 into this expressive art form. 94 00:04:21,630 --> 00:04:22,870 I mean, it was as expressive as 95 00:04:22,870 --> 00:04:24,785 the short story or the sonnet. 96 00:04:24,785 --> 00:04:27,785 (people applauding) 97 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:32,510 - Pauline would write about something 98 00:04:32,510 --> 00:04:34,320 and you would not only love reading it, 99 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,350 but then you would wanna see what she wrote about 100 00:04:36,350 --> 00:04:37,580 so you could argue with her 101 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:38,830 or you could relive it with her. 102 00:04:38,830 --> 00:04:41,570 You could see it through her eyes. 103 00:04:41,570 --> 00:04:44,140 - It would be hard to be as engaged with the world 104 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:47,530 as Pauline was in terms of her energy, 105 00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:50,720 in terms of her intellectual curiosity, 106 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,603 in terms of her capacity for outrage and love. 107 00:04:59,460 --> 00:05:01,410 - [Narrator] The modern west I grew up in, 108 00:05:01,410 --> 00:05:03,690 the ludicrous real west, 109 00:05:03,690 --> 00:05:06,690 the incongruities of Cadillacs and cattle, 110 00:05:06,690 --> 00:05:08,600 crickets and transistor radios, 111 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,850 jukeboxes, Dr. Pepper signs, paperback books, 112 00:05:12,850 --> 00:05:15,630 all emphasizing the standardization of culture 113 00:05:15,630 --> 00:05:18,360 in the loneliness of vast spaces 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,620 our Sonoma County ranch was very much like this one 115 00:05:21,620 --> 00:05:24,910 with my father and older brothers charging over dirt roads 116 00:05:24,910 --> 00:05:27,740 and the Saturday nights in a dead little town. 117 00:05:27,740 --> 00:05:29,570 This was the small-town west I, 118 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:32,110 and so many of my friends, came out of. 119 00:05:32,110 --> 00:05:35,733 Escaping from the swaggering small-town hotshots like Hud. 120 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,700 - She remembered seeing silent films. 121 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:42,060 She could tell you what it was like 122 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:46,530 to go to a cinema in the 20s, in the 30s and 40s, 123 00:05:46,530 --> 00:05:47,793 and see these movies. 124 00:05:49,330 --> 00:05:52,700 - Well, my mother had a great love of 30s movies 125 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:56,333 particularly, the tough dames. 126 00:05:58,190 --> 00:06:00,690 I think she like to emulate that a little bit 127 00:06:00,690 --> 00:06:03,430 suggest that she had that in herself. 128 00:06:03,430 --> 00:06:05,060 - I won't marry you. 129 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:05,930 - Is that a promise? 130 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:08,210 - [Narrator] In the 30s, the girls we in the audience 131 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:10,204 loved were delivering wisecracks. 132 00:06:10,204 --> 00:06:11,358 - I sort of like him. 133 00:06:11,358 --> 00:06:12,191 He's got a lot of charm. 134 00:06:12,191 --> 00:06:13,500 - Well, he comes by it naturally 135 00:06:13,500 --> 00:06:15,290 his grandfather was a snake. 136 00:06:15,290 --> 00:06:16,560 - [Narrator] They were funny and lovely 137 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,400 because they were funny. 138 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,273 A whole group of them with wonderful frogs in their throats. 139 00:06:21,273 --> 00:06:22,106 (hiccups) 140 00:06:22,106 --> 00:06:23,260 - This is the fourth show in two months 141 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:25,063 that I've been in of and out of. 142 00:06:25,063 --> 00:06:27,840 - They close before they open. 143 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:29,360 - [Narrator] The comic spirit of the 30s 144 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,250 had been happily self-critical about America. 145 00:06:32,250 --> 00:06:33,940 The happiness born of the knowledge that 146 00:06:33,940 --> 00:06:37,830 in no other country were movies so free to be self-critical. 147 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:41,860 It was the comedy of a country that didn't yet hate itself. 148 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:44,400 - C'mon, let's get up and look for work. 149 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,540 I hate starving in bed. 150 00:06:46,540 --> 00:06:48,830 - There's a certain kind of colloquial voice 151 00:06:48,830 --> 00:06:50,400 that Pauline Kael had. 152 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,560 Back to Dorothy Parker, kind of snappish sound. 153 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,460 Ann Landers is an example of it, okay. 154 00:06:56,460 --> 00:06:57,835 You know, "Wake up and smell the coffee." 155 00:06:57,835 --> 00:06:59,660 - Say wiseguy stop trying to prove 156 00:06:59,660 --> 00:07:00,650 the hand's quicker than the eye. 157 00:07:00,650 --> 00:07:02,890 - [Woman] She just had this great slangy, 158 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:05,893 husky, breathy, Ann Sheridan voice. 159 00:07:05,893 --> 00:07:08,150 - Haven't you heard about throwing good money after bad? 160 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:09,712 - [Narrator] There was an unusual sequence 161 00:07:09,712 --> 00:07:11,950 in "Christopher Strong". 162 00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:14,710 An arch, high-strung, sickeningly noble 163 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:17,690 Katharine Hepburn movie back in 1933. 164 00:07:17,690 --> 00:07:19,410 But one of the rare movies told from 165 00:07:19,410 --> 00:07:21,680 a woman's sexual point of view. 166 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,727 Hepburn played a famous, record-breaking aviatrix 167 00:07:24,727 --> 00:07:27,033 who fell in love with a married man, 168 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:29,790 but as soon as they went to bed together 169 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:32,010 he insisted that she not fly in the match 170 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:33,400 she was entered in. 171 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,770 - [Christopher] Give up this altitude flight. 172 00:07:34,770 --> 00:07:36,123 For me. 173 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,720 - [Cynthia] All right, darling. 174 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:39,553 I'll give it up. 175 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:43,200 - [Narrator] It was clear that the man wasn't a bastard, 176 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,490 nevertheless, the heroine's acquiescence destroyed her. 177 00:07:47,490 --> 00:07:49,290 - Only I'd rather die than hurt you. 178 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:52,550 - [Narrator] It is the intelligent woman's 179 00:07:52,550 --> 00:07:54,523 primal post-coital scene. 180 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:57,210 Probably it got there because the movie 181 00:07:57,210 --> 00:07:59,310 was written by a woman, Zoe Akins, 182 00:07:59,310 --> 00:08:01,893 and directed by a woman, Dorothy Arzner. 183 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:05,167 I think I was the only girl on 184 00:08:05,167 --> 00:08:07,360 the labor board at Berkeley. 185 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,140 We were trying to get the minimum wage 186 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:12,120 on the campus raised to 40 cents an hour. 187 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,630 - You women make me sick! 188 00:08:13,630 --> 00:08:15,817 C'mon, c'mon, how much?! 189 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:19,760 - [Narrator] On dates my enthusiasm would often 190 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,010 be condescended to by the fella. 191 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:24,410 He would think it was his mission to straighten me out, 192 00:08:24,410 --> 00:08:27,070 and you know if you hold forth about why something's 193 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:29,870 great with a guy who just wants you to calm down, 194 00:08:29,870 --> 00:08:32,170 it's a flattening experience. 195 00:08:32,170 --> 00:08:35,090 You learn to shut up or you find another guy, 196 00:08:35,090 --> 00:08:36,060 or you don't. 197 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:36,940 - Just a minute. 198 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:38,320 - Shut up. 199 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,153 - Are you so drunk with your own importance 200 00:08:39,153 --> 00:08:41,542 you think you can make your own rules? 201 00:08:41,542 --> 00:08:42,693 Well, you're a fake. 202 00:08:42,693 --> 00:08:44,600 - I think it's very difficult, 203 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,740 for a woman particularly, 204 00:08:46,740 --> 00:08:50,500 to go out with a man that she disagrees with 205 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:53,228 sharply in matters of taste. 206 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:57,430 Because it really does offend all his macho sense. 207 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:59,830 And particularly, say, 20 or 30 years ago, 208 00:08:59,830 --> 00:09:01,700 if he was buying the tickets, 209 00:09:01,700 --> 00:09:03,210 and if he was paying the date, 210 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:06,810 even if he liked you to be bright and sharp and funny, 211 00:09:06,810 --> 00:09:09,700 he didn't like any basic disagreement. 212 00:09:09,700 --> 00:09:13,380 Now, I broke up over "West Side Story". 213 00:09:13,380 --> 00:09:16,110 - Because tonight is the real beginning of my life 214 00:09:16,110 --> 00:09:18,180 as a young lady of America. 215 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,440 - I don't think she was that wild about being a student. 216 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,750 They may have been formative years 217 00:09:24,750 --> 00:09:27,770 but I think the forming was done on her own. 218 00:09:27,770 --> 00:09:29,890 - [Narrator] When I got interested in an author, 219 00:09:29,890 --> 00:09:32,040 I always read everything of his I could get 220 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,740 a hold of and everything about him I could find 221 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:36,793 before I went on to something else. 222 00:09:38,190 --> 00:09:40,290 I could live without movies much more easily than 223 00:09:40,290 --> 00:09:42,120 I could live without books 224 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,453 which would almost seem like a form of death. 225 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,300 - Pauline didn't set out to be a critic. 226 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:52,470 Pauline set out to be an artist. 227 00:09:52,470 --> 00:09:54,531 She wrote some plays. 228 00:09:54,531 --> 00:09:57,520 I've read some of them, they're not very good. 229 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:58,820 - And it's wild to read them 230 00:09:58,820 --> 00:10:00,810 because they're very stilted. 231 00:10:00,810 --> 00:10:02,160 They are inert. 232 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,120 They're derivative 233 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,820 and they have none of that swing of her movie writing. 234 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:10,460 - [Narrator] I can't do it, I've tried, and I simply can't. 235 00:10:10,460 --> 00:10:12,790 Does seem so absurd that I'd been so snooty 236 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:14,570 about books for a very long time 237 00:10:14,570 --> 00:10:16,740 and here I can't do this. 238 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:18,560 Tell me that I can play this game through 239 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,070 that I can be smart enough and attractive enough 240 00:10:21,070 --> 00:10:22,580 and good enough. 241 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:24,150 Besides the whole sex business, 242 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:26,730 there's the past and there is New York luxury 243 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:28,940 and money and dancers and sororities, 244 00:10:28,940 --> 00:10:32,240 and there's me and what I am. 245 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,468 No artist, no beauty, no nothing, 246 00:10:34,468 --> 00:10:38,340 no obscenity, absolutely. 247 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:40,930 - She worked as a nanny on Park Avenue, 248 00:10:40,930 --> 00:10:44,610 and she wrote 20 or 30 pages about that experience. 249 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:46,500 It was not a pleasant experience. 250 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,240 She was a poor girl working for rich people. 251 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,760 - She had had to work as a maid or something, 252 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,170 and as a seamstress. 253 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:57,610 - [Man] She worked writing copy, advertising copy. 254 00:10:57,610 --> 00:10:59,910 - [Narrator] The day they were putting up the partition 255 00:10:59,910 --> 00:11:01,960 and putting my name on the door, 256 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,710 I went in and quit in tears because 257 00:11:04,710 --> 00:11:08,580 I suddenly saw myself behind that partition for years 258 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:10,220 and I didn't want that. 259 00:11:10,220 --> 00:11:11,620 I wanted to write. 260 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:15,093 The main thing is fighting off the successes that trap you. 261 00:11:23,534 --> 00:11:25,770 (speaking in a foreign language) 262 00:11:25,770 --> 00:11:28,400 When "Shoeshine" opened in 1947 263 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,580 I went to see it alone after one of those 264 00:11:30,580 --> 00:11:32,303 terrible lover's quarrels. 265 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:35,990 I came out of the theater and walked up the street 266 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:38,360 no longer certain whether my tears were 267 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,280 for the tragedy on the screen 268 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,713 or the hopelessness I felt for myself. 269 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:46,360 My identification with those two lost boys 270 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,003 had become so strong. 271 00:11:49,790 --> 00:11:51,560 Later, I learned that the man with whom 272 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:53,730 I had quarreled had gone the same night 273 00:11:53,730 --> 00:11:56,000 and had also emerged in tears. 274 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,750 Yet our tears for each other did not bring us together. 275 00:12:18,790 --> 00:12:19,790 - [Man] It was a very big deal 276 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:22,073 in 1948 to be a single mother. 277 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:26,050 - [Narrator] Having a child made a difference 278 00:12:26,050 --> 00:12:27,800 because it made me want to make something 279 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,733 of myself for my child's sake. 280 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,450 - I always felt that my mother had 281 00:12:35,450 --> 00:12:37,000 a great love for my father. 282 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,323 He was an absence in my life. 283 00:12:42,150 --> 00:12:44,020 I'm not sure how she really explained it. 284 00:12:44,020 --> 00:12:45,183 He wasn't there. 285 00:12:47,451 --> 00:12:50,618 (lively violin music) 286 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,330 - After going to see "Limelight", 287 00:12:58,330 --> 00:13:03,330 she went to a cafe with the people she had gone with 288 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,710 and they were arguing about it, 289 00:13:05,710 --> 00:13:09,140 and she was very forceful about how she didn't like it. 290 00:13:09,140 --> 00:13:11,550 One of the people who was editing 291 00:13:11,550 --> 00:13:13,780 the Citylights Bookstore's Journal 292 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:15,700 came over to her and said well why don't 293 00:13:15,700 --> 00:13:17,830 you write this for us, and she did. 294 00:13:17,830 --> 00:13:20,200 And that was her first review. 295 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,203 - It's no use. 296 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:23,163 I'm finished. 297 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:25,352 Through. 298 00:13:26,474 --> 00:13:28,229 - You're too great an artist. 299 00:13:28,229 --> 00:13:30,735 Now is the time to show them what you're made of. 300 00:13:30,735 --> 00:13:32,680 Now is the time to fight. 301 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:34,810 - [Narrator] A storyline of the most self-pitying 302 00:13:34,810 --> 00:13:37,630 and self-glorifying daydream variety. 303 00:13:37,630 --> 00:13:40,100 Calvero's gala benefit in which he shows 304 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:41,900 the unbelievers, who think him finished, 305 00:13:41,900 --> 00:13:45,110 that he is still the greatest performer of them all 306 00:13:45,110 --> 00:13:48,670 his death in the wings as the applause fades. 307 00:13:48,670 --> 00:13:51,800 This is surely the richest hunk of satisfaction 308 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,663 since Huck and Tom attended their own funeral. 309 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:57,490 - Chaplin doesn't get to you even in the-- 310 00:13:57,490 --> 00:13:59,160 - I hated when he gets to me. 311 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,250 I despised him when I was a child 312 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:02,960 in things like "City Lights". 313 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,740 I don't like to have tears pulled out of me. 314 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:09,260 I mean, that to me is atrocious, maudlin, comedy. 315 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:12,130 I like it when he's being a rather nasty, bawdy 316 00:14:12,130 --> 00:14:14,570 drunken bum, then he's wonderful. 317 00:14:14,570 --> 00:14:18,720 - She sort of fell into movie criticism almost by accident, 318 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,630 and something just clicked. 319 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:24,270 What she couldn't achieve in art 320 00:14:24,270 --> 00:14:28,920 she was able to achieve in movie reviews. 321 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:29,950 - [Narrator] When I started writing 322 00:14:29,950 --> 00:14:31,310 for magazines in the 50s, 323 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:33,410 I was dissatisfied with the academic 324 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:35,500 tone of my first pieces. 325 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,362 I was trying for the freedom 326 00:14:36,362 --> 00:14:39,383 of an American talking about movies. 327 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:43,200 I worked to loosen my style, 328 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,580 to get away from the term paper pomposity 329 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:47,470 that we learn at college. 330 00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:50,020 I wanted sentences to breathe, 331 00:14:50,020 --> 00:14:52,223 to have the sound of a human voice. 332 00:14:53,550 --> 00:14:57,060 - [Pauline] I may be a terrible blasphemer but I writhed 333 00:14:57,060 --> 00:14:59,580 with discomfort during "Hiroshima Mon Amour" 334 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:01,593 and made numerous wisecracks. 335 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:07,370 The picture opened badly for me. 336 00:15:07,370 --> 00:15:10,370 There were those intertwined nude bodies, 337 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:12,990 and what was that stuff they were covered with? 338 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:16,520 Beach sand, gold dust, ashes? 339 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,820 Finally, I accepted it as symbolic bomb ash, 340 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:21,810 but I wasn't happy with it. 341 00:15:21,810 --> 00:15:24,360 Then the French girl said she had seen everything 342 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,360 in Hiroshima and the Japanese man told her 343 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,010 she had seen nothing in Hiroshima. 344 00:15:30,010 --> 00:15:32,440 Then, they said the same things over again 345 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,250 and again, and perhaps again, 346 00:15:35,250 --> 00:15:37,270 and I lost patience. 347 00:15:37,270 --> 00:15:39,620 I have never understood why writers assume 348 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:41,810 that repetition creates a lyric mood 349 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:44,570 or underlines meaning with profundity. 350 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:46,100 My reaction is simply okay, 351 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:47,250 I got it the first time, 352 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:48,740 let's get on with it. 353 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:51,739 My principle objection to this oddly confused film 354 00:15:51,739 --> 00:15:54,150 is that it aims to make you feel that 355 00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:56,770 if you love "Hiroshima Mon Amour" you are 356 00:15:56,770 --> 00:15:59,190 somehow acting for peace, 357 00:15:59,190 --> 00:16:02,870 or to put it more crudely, but in its own terms, 358 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:06,733 if you buy "Hiroshima Mon Amour" you're buying peace. 359 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:09,610 As for the qualities of the film, 360 00:16:09,610 --> 00:16:11,920 that have been described as Proustian 361 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,630 and its supposed destruction of time, 362 00:16:14,630 --> 00:16:18,380 I can only say that it certainly destroyed my sense of time. 363 00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:20,833 I thought its 88 minutes were forever. 364 00:16:21,813 --> 00:16:24,670 (dramatic music) 365 00:16:24,670 --> 00:16:27,410 We all know the obvious reason why the pictures 366 00:16:27,410 --> 00:16:28,658 have been so big. 367 00:16:28,658 --> 00:16:29,597 Why they've been spectacles, 368 00:16:29,597 --> 00:16:33,060 and why they've been on Cinemascope screens 369 00:16:33,060 --> 00:16:36,600 because competition with television makes this necessary. 370 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,513 The big picture is almost necessarily the bad picture. 371 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,110 - Movies are the impure art. 372 00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:44,880 I think she called them the great bastard 373 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,647 cross-fertilized super art. 374 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,440 She was writing those reviews that 375 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,910 she was then speaking on the radio. 376 00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:54,450 Performing her reviews. 377 00:16:54,450 --> 00:16:56,990 And I think it freed something up in her. 378 00:16:56,990 --> 00:16:59,350 She was able to cut loose and let it rip. 379 00:16:59,350 --> 00:17:01,070 - [Narrator] It was hell in some ways because 380 00:17:01,070 --> 00:17:04,010 I didn't have any money and they didn't pay at all. 381 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:06,340 They didn't even pay my way into movies. 382 00:17:06,340 --> 00:17:08,600 - One of the people who hears her 383 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,690 is a man named Edward Landberg, 384 00:17:10,690 --> 00:17:15,690 and she winds up being married to Edward Landberg. 385 00:17:15,883 --> 00:17:19,060 I don't think it was really much of a romance ever. 386 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:20,650 They were really drawn together by 387 00:17:20,650 --> 00:17:22,710 their common interest in film. 388 00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:24,550 - And my impression was that it was kind of a short-lived 389 00:17:24,550 --> 00:17:27,050 marriage and basically convenience. 390 00:17:27,050 --> 00:17:29,380 I think he described it as a business arrangement. 391 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:32,000 - [Gina] I think Ed Landberg was not treated 392 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,183 with very much respect by people. 393 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:38,510 - [Pauline] I went around the house mumbling 394 00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:41,250 what am I going to talk about on the radio. 395 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:43,540 The movies are all dull in different ways 396 00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:45,460 there's nothing to link them together. 397 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,299 I've got to get an idea. 398 00:17:47,299 --> 00:17:50,040 The only really good evening I had in the theater 399 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,890 was at a play, "The Dance of Death Part One" 400 00:17:52,890 --> 00:17:55,220 presented by The Actors' Workshop. 401 00:17:55,220 --> 00:17:57,390 And there my enjoyment was almost wrecked 402 00:17:57,390 --> 00:18:01,010 by an audience so solemnly serious and uncomprehending 403 00:18:01,010 --> 00:18:04,280 that they turned disapproving looks every time I laughed. 404 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,400 I began to feel as if I were the only person 405 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,660 in the audience who had ever been married. 406 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:10,548 - Don't you see how everybody shuns us?! 407 00:18:10,548 --> 00:18:11,434 - Oh what do I care?! 408 00:18:11,434 --> 00:18:12,267 (loud tapping) 409 00:18:12,267 --> 00:18:13,214 There's the answer! 410 00:18:13,214 --> 00:18:14,371 (yelling) 411 00:18:14,371 --> 00:18:16,030 Oh be quiet! 412 00:18:16,030 --> 00:18:17,910 - [Pauline] Is it possible that it's this kind 413 00:18:17,910 --> 00:18:19,560 of perception and expression that 414 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,880 people still can't assimilate. 415 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,100 The comedy that grows out of carrying people's 416 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:26,712 most deeply felt conflicts too far. 417 00:18:26,712 --> 00:18:29,470 Is it that critics and audiences don't really 418 00:18:29,470 --> 00:18:32,081 understand what this kind of work is about 419 00:18:32,081 --> 00:18:34,593 or that they want to pretend that they don't? 420 00:18:36,962 --> 00:18:39,295 (screaming) 421 00:18:42,825 --> 00:18:44,992 (screams) 422 00:18:46,050 --> 00:18:47,634 - Apart from the Los Angeles Times, 423 00:18:47,634 --> 00:18:51,670 there was no film critic world in California. 424 00:18:51,670 --> 00:18:52,960 - I think being from the west 425 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,740 it made her just more independent. 426 00:18:54,740 --> 00:18:57,800 She didn't believe in just deference to authority. 427 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,530 - Pauline was, obviously, a west coast girl. 428 00:19:00,530 --> 00:19:01,967 And she saw herself as that 429 00:19:01,967 --> 00:19:05,350 and that was one of the tools she used 430 00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:08,963 to maintain her feistiness and not part of their club. 431 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:12,640 - [Pauline] Many people react to movies in terms 432 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,760 of what they have read about it. 433 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,877 For example, if Bosley Crowther says that 434 00:19:16,877 --> 00:19:21,220 "The Moment of Truth" is a movie for bullfight aficionados 435 00:19:21,220 --> 00:19:24,220 they go see it and they think it's a bullfight movie. 436 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:26,840 People don't see that it's an attack on Spain 437 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,353 and an attack on bullfighting. 438 00:19:31,905 --> 00:19:33,840 (women laughing) 439 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,763 - Pauline is quarreling, fighting with, 440 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,260 condemning, attacking, 441 00:19:40,260 --> 00:19:43,170 and she loved to set up New York critics 442 00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:46,170 as straw men and then knock them down. 443 00:19:46,170 --> 00:19:47,955 - The world is really divided, I guess, 444 00:19:47,955 --> 00:19:51,080 between the people who get deep pleasure 445 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,327 from doing a good job 446 00:19:52,327 --> 00:19:54,880 and the ones who are just trying to get through the day. 447 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,327 And there are a great many critics 448 00:19:56,327 --> 00:19:58,120 who are just trying to get through the day, 449 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:00,330 who know they're second rate and who are scared 450 00:20:00,330 --> 00:20:02,459 of their editors, and scared of their readers, 451 00:20:02,459 --> 00:20:04,810 and scared of the movie companies, 452 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:06,700 and with some justification, 453 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:09,790 but are never good enough to conquer their fears. 454 00:20:09,790 --> 00:20:12,260 And so the point would be, really, to try 455 00:20:12,260 --> 00:20:14,560 to strengthen your own writing style 456 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,540 and develop more courage 457 00:20:16,540 --> 00:20:18,693 because then you're in a better position. 458 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,610 - [Andrew] The second premise of the Auteur Theory 459 00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:34,380 is the distinguishable personality of the director 460 00:20:34,380 --> 00:20:36,940 as a criterion of value. 461 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:39,110 A director must exhibit certain recurrent 462 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:43,290 characteristics of style which serve as his signature. 463 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:45,910 The way a film looks and feels should have 464 00:20:45,910 --> 00:20:49,423 some relationship to the way a director thinks and feels. 465 00:20:52,490 --> 00:20:56,390 - She had attacked him in that "Circles and Squares" article 466 00:20:56,390 --> 00:21:01,390 in a very personal and sort of almost slanderous way. 467 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,630 - [Narrator] The smell of a skunk is more distinguishable 468 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:08,600 than the perfume of a rose 469 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,170 does that make it better? 470 00:21:10,170 --> 00:21:14,060 Hitchcock's personality is certainly more distinguishable. 471 00:21:14,060 --> 00:21:16,160 If for no other reason than because Hitchcock 472 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,873 repeats his subject matter. 473 00:21:19,670 --> 00:21:21,630 Often the works in which we are most aware 474 00:21:21,630 --> 00:21:24,653 of the personality of the director are his worst films. 475 00:21:26,010 --> 00:21:27,890 When he falls back on the devices 476 00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:30,023 he has already done to death. 477 00:21:30,927 --> 00:21:32,827 - Jesus, help me. 478 00:21:32,827 --> 00:21:33,723 Help me. 479 00:21:33,723 --> 00:21:35,090 - I thought she wrote a very unfair piece, 480 00:21:35,090 --> 00:21:37,040 but I enjoyed reading it because it was 481 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,610 so beautifully written. 482 00:21:38,610 --> 00:21:41,510 - Pauline didn't believe in categories 483 00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:43,410 and she didn't believe in absolutes. 484 00:21:43,410 --> 00:21:48,410 - She was very much against a kind of snobbish 485 00:21:48,457 --> 00:21:51,700 arthouse cinema attitude towards film. 486 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:55,410 - Up till then, criticism had been a rather stuffy affair. 487 00:21:55,410 --> 00:21:57,496 And she embraced popular cinema. 488 00:21:57,496 --> 00:22:01,180 - Only bad critics impose an academic formula 489 00:22:01,180 --> 00:22:04,600 and one does not need to rationalize one's instincts. 490 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,820 One's instincts are the sum total 491 00:22:06,820 --> 00:22:09,550 of one's mind and responses. 492 00:22:09,550 --> 00:22:11,533 - What Pauline called the gentleman critics. 493 00:22:11,533 --> 00:22:15,369 Which is a sort of distancing oneself 494 00:22:15,369 --> 00:22:17,873 and being amused by movies. 495 00:22:17,873 --> 00:22:20,900 - It's the opposite of the way that Pauline wrote. 496 00:22:20,900 --> 00:22:24,307 She wrote as someone who in order to see a movie 497 00:22:24,307 --> 00:22:25,850 had to go to a movie theater, 498 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:27,360 and pay to buy a ticket, 499 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,310 and go in and find a seat and sit down. 500 00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:33,960 When she writes about a movie she also writes 501 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,930 about the audience around her. 502 00:22:35,930 --> 00:22:39,170 She writes as part of an audience, 503 00:22:39,170 --> 00:22:42,610 and she's listening to the catcalls and the wisecracks, 504 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:44,210 the sound of boredom, 505 00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:46,560 or the sound of excitement and engagement. 506 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,910 And all that goes into her writing. 507 00:22:48,910 --> 00:22:51,910 (people applauding) 508 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:54,860 - I think a lot people are funny. 509 00:22:54,860 --> 00:22:56,360 It's not that they sit down and go now 510 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,060 I'm gonna figure out how to be funny. 511 00:22:58,060 --> 00:22:59,920 They just know how to say it and it's funny. 512 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,733 And I think that that was true of her. 513 00:23:02,733 --> 00:23:04,326 (giggles) 514 00:23:04,326 --> 00:23:06,537 - Just a masterpiece of satire is the 515 00:23:06,537 --> 00:23:09,088 "The Come-Dressed-As-the Sick-Soul-of-Europe Parties". 516 00:23:09,088 --> 00:23:12,810 What Kael was attacking were the films I adored. 517 00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:15,360 All these foreign films with the people migrating 518 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:16,860 from one bad party to another. 519 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,950 Pauline Kael, in her attack on those films, 520 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:24,917 captures exactly what it was I loved about the films. 521 00:23:24,917 --> 00:23:27,280 - [Narrator] "La Dolce Vita", "La Notte", 522 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,440 and "Last Year at Marienbad" are all about people 523 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,960 who are bored, successful, and rich. 524 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,610 Nothing seems more self indulgent and shallow 525 00:23:35,610 --> 00:23:38,400 than the dissatisfaction of the innervated rich. 526 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,577 Nothing is easier to attack or expose. 527 00:23:41,577 --> 00:23:43,770 "La Notte" is supposed to be a study 528 00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:45,623 in the failure of communication. 529 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:54,120 But what new perceptions of this problem 530 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:56,100 do we get by watching people on the screen 531 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:57,970 who can't communicate 532 00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:59,870 if we are never given any insight 533 00:23:59,870 --> 00:24:01,290 into what they would have to say 534 00:24:01,290 --> 00:24:03,033 if they could talk to each other? 535 00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:06,600 And there is the repeated view of Jeanne Moreau 536 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,460 walking away from the camera. 537 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,200 What are we to make of this camera 538 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,840 fixation on her rear? 539 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,750 Obviously, we're supposed to be interested 540 00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:15,620 in her thoughts and feelings while 541 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:17,920 we look at her from the back. 542 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Is the delicate movement of the derriere supposed 543 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,923 to reveal her angst or merely her ennui? 544 00:24:26,610 --> 00:24:29,141 - I was reading Pauline long before 545 00:24:29,141 --> 00:24:32,018 I knew who she was or cared. 546 00:24:32,018 --> 00:24:36,420 I was reading her program notes to the Cinema Guild 547 00:24:36,420 --> 00:24:39,630 where my wife and I would go two, three times a week 548 00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:42,690 to see every conceivable classic film 549 00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:44,630 in these little rickety theaters that 550 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:46,580 she had on Telegraph Avenue. 551 00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:48,780 So, you felt if you weren't seeing whatever 552 00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:50,210 was playing that night, 553 00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:52,970 and there were always two or three or four movies playing, 554 00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:54,280 you were missing something. 555 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,590 - [Craig] Her program notes start to be pinned 556 00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:59,953 to the refrigerators of people all over the Bay Area. 557 00:24:59,953 --> 00:25:02,482 - [Gina] She kind of threw herself into it 558 00:25:02,482 --> 00:25:07,482 and all-consuming, very passionate, devoted way. 559 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:09,360 She made sure the films were picked up. 560 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,430 She did all the communication with the distributors 561 00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:14,350 and then she wrote about the films. 562 00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:17,050 The theater phone rang in our house. 563 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:19,920 It was usually my mother but often I had to do it too. 564 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,960 I'd have to give the showtimes. 565 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,560 And of course, because people realized 566 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,480 it was a person who really knows something, 567 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,330 then people would start asking her about the movies, too. 568 00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:31,790 Many of the people that she employed in the theater 569 00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:33,440 she became friends with. 570 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,830 - She had a young man. 571 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:37,470 My fantasy was that she liked me 572 00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:39,517 because she wanted me to go to bed with her, 573 00:25:39,517 --> 00:25:41,110 but that was my own fantasy. 574 00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:43,403 But she really liked young people. 575 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,700 - Joyride. 576 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,853 Neon blinking traffic light. 577 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,477 - Berkeley was a hotbed of intellectual activity 578 00:25:52,477 --> 00:25:54,323 and creative activity. 579 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:59,240 This was not the drug age, 580 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,380 this was the cigarette and glass of wine age 581 00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:07,000 where people gathered and talked and discussed 582 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,160 politics and poetry and art, and et cetera. 583 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,320 Apparently, this was like an open-door policy 584 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,513 everybody was here. 585 00:26:16,850 --> 00:26:18,290 - The living room was set up 586 00:26:18,290 --> 00:26:21,570 and she had black-out curtains on all the windows 587 00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:25,500 so she could show movies constantly in the living room. 588 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,092 - [Carol] She always had a cigarette in her month 589 00:26:27,092 --> 00:26:29,888 and her eyes were always just gleaming. 590 00:26:29,888 --> 00:26:31,047 - [Steven] And it's bobbing up and down, 591 00:26:31,047 --> 00:26:32,990 and the ashes are falling all over, 592 00:26:32,990 --> 00:26:34,700 and the smoke is getting in her eyes, 593 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:37,670 and she's weeping, and she's talking a mile a minute. 594 00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:39,530 - The living room wasn't that large 595 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:42,380 but she invited a lot of people, 596 00:26:42,380 --> 00:26:44,210 and she knew a lot of people knew her, 597 00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:47,160 and so she had a record player 598 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,883 and we danced to music for hours. 599 00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:56,040 - [Ortrun] When Pauline got here, the walls were probably 600 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,260 had already started to crumble. 601 00:26:58,260 --> 00:27:01,070 This was a good project for Jess to take on. 602 00:27:01,070 --> 00:27:04,980 He had already done five other homes in the area, 603 00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:06,840 but this one happened to be the only one 604 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,653 that's still intact. 605 00:27:10,050 --> 00:27:12,013 She loved Jean Renoir. 606 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:16,290 On the ceiling as you come up the stairs 607 00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:19,130 is a wonderful painting of an image 608 00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:21,160 that looks like a sand painting. 609 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,410 A Jean Renoir movie, "The River". 610 00:27:24,410 --> 00:27:28,060 The other one taken from the film, "The Golden Coach", 611 00:27:28,060 --> 00:27:31,810 starring Anna Magnani, is in the back bedroom. 612 00:27:31,810 --> 00:27:34,123 Beautiful Carnivale patterns. 613 00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:39,780 - [Gina] My mother had a deep love and responsiveness 614 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:41,888 to art, to music, to theater. 615 00:27:41,888 --> 00:27:46,430 When I was growing up, she had a lot of jazz and blues. 616 00:27:46,430 --> 00:27:49,830 She like gospel music and listening to Mahalia Jackson, 617 00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:52,973 and the countertenor Russell Oberlin singing Handel. 618 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,133 She was a great lover of many kinds and forms of beauty. 619 00:28:00,170 --> 00:28:02,750 - Sometimes the kids working at the theater 620 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:05,800 came to help babysit Gina. 621 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,930 I understand that life was pretty tough for Gina here 622 00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:11,580 with all these adults running around. 623 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:15,570 - For me, in terms of growing up with a critic, 624 00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:18,403 making judgments, being judgmental, 625 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:22,130 she couldn't not be critical. 626 00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:24,173 She was always criticizing. 627 00:28:25,290 --> 00:28:27,910 - [Pauline] Today, or most Valentine's Day, 628 00:28:27,910 --> 00:28:30,530 seems a good time for something I've never done, 629 00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:33,640 a full half hour of listeners' letters. 630 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,580 Here is a letter from a manly man. 631 00:28:36,580 --> 00:28:38,230 Dear Miss Kael, 632 00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:41,440 since you know so much about the art of the film 633 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,300 why don't you spend your time making it? 634 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:45,940 But first you will need a pair 635 00:28:45,940 --> 00:28:48,450 of B blank, blank, blank, blank. 636 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:49,800 End quote. 637 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,643 Mister Do-Do, 638 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,833 you don't have to lay an egg to know if it tastes good. 639 00:28:56,210 --> 00:29:00,250 - [Carr] Some men you just can't reach. 640 00:29:00,250 --> 00:29:03,800 - Why at this point are you still having 641 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,620 to defend being a female? 642 00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:07,800 - In the arts women are accepted, 643 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,393 they've always been accepted in the theater. 644 00:29:10,393 --> 00:29:15,391 But criticism, since it involves analytic intelligence 645 00:29:15,391 --> 00:29:19,820 and the rational use of one's intellect, 646 00:29:19,820 --> 00:29:22,890 that hits exactly where men have always 647 00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:26,640 wanted to believe that women were less gifted. 648 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,200 It's one thing to show sensitivity and talent. 649 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,920 I mean, men like that in women. 650 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,050 But it is very, very difficult for men to accept 651 00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,553 the idea that women can argue reasonably. 652 00:29:40,747 --> 00:29:43,370 "Lawrence of Arabia" is the most literate, 653 00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:46,930 and intelligent and tasteful, and the most beautiful 654 00:29:46,930 --> 00:29:49,967 of the modern expensive spectacle films, 655 00:29:49,967 --> 00:29:52,083 and I wish it had never been made. 656 00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:55,900 I want my T.E. Lawrence back. 657 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:57,910 The Lawrence I first got interested in 658 00:29:57,910 --> 00:30:01,320 from R.P. Blackmur's essay in "The Expense of Greatness" 659 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,670 and whom I then followed through his writing, 660 00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:06,490 especially his extraordinary letters. 661 00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:08,890 I came to know Lawrence from his books. 662 00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:11,600 So I assume have the filmmakers. 663 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,360 But their image of him is so different from mine, 664 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,000 and now I'm not sure I can keep mine. 665 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,960 Already I feel I must restore it 666 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,823 by rereading the books trying to dislodge their images. 667 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,270 These are men of immense talent. 668 00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:28,260 Why couldn't they just have written a story 669 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:30,440 about the desert and filmed it? 670 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560 Why must they muck up the past, 671 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,280 oversimplify history, 672 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,580 and use their post-Freudian insights 673 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:39,640 to turn a great leader of men, and a great writer, 674 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,830 into a narcissist and sadist with a Christ complex. 675 00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:47,400 To the listeners I say goodbye as a guest of this station. 676 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,270 If they pay me, I'll be back. 677 00:30:49,270 --> 00:30:50,990 If not, not. 678 00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:53,120 After a million words for love, 679 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,280 I think I should turn professional. 680 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,040 This is my last free broadcast. 681 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,560 I no longer care to have a cup 682 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,470 of coffee with the management. 683 00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:04,720 If they want me back on the air, they can pay me. 684 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,780 - The last few years that we were in California 685 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:11,093 my mother, I believe, was very, very frustrated. 686 00:31:12,850 --> 00:31:15,990 She really did not have places to publish. 687 00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:18,770 We were very, very short on money. 688 00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:23,770 And she really, I think, she needed to make a change. 689 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,860 - I said the Mark Chaffey who was a colleague, 690 00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:35,807 I said there's a book coming out called, 691 00:31:35,807 --> 00:31:37,220 "I Lost It At the Movies", 692 00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:39,550 it would make a terrific paperback book. 693 00:31:39,550 --> 00:31:43,630 And Mark went out to Berkeley and met her, 694 00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:45,170 and we bought the book, 695 00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:48,510 and so Pauline came to New York. 696 00:31:48,510 --> 00:31:50,193 And we became great friends. 697 00:31:51,210 --> 00:31:53,030 - [Narrator] In 1965, it took a lot 698 00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:54,740 of writing to pay the rent. 699 00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:57,330 That year I was on a plane going to give a lecture 700 00:31:57,330 --> 00:31:59,210 and a husband and wife were sitting 701 00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:00,760 across the aisle from me. 702 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,800 She was reading me in Mademoiselle 703 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,860 and he was reading me in Holiday, 704 00:32:04,860 --> 00:32:06,500 and then they swapped magazines. 705 00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:08,310 It was very cheering. 706 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:10,890 - Gradually, Pauline began to be noticed. 707 00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:14,650 She was offered a job at McCall's, 708 00:32:14,650 --> 00:32:18,940 a very, very, widely-read mainstream women's magazine. 709 00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:21,650 But the editors decided that she was 710 00:32:21,650 --> 00:32:23,560 out of step with their readership. 711 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,253 She was just not in sync with mainstream taste. 712 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,400 - [Narrator] Wasn't there, perhaps, one Von Trapp 713 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,340 who didn't want to sing his head off? 714 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:33,790 Or who screamed that he wouldn't 715 00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:36,800 act out little glockenspiel routines? 716 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,440 It's the sugar-coated lie that 717 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,320 people seem to want to eat, 718 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,000 and the phenomenon at the center, Julie Andrews. 719 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,540 Sexless, inhumanly happy. 720 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:48,950 The sparkling maid, a mind as clean 721 00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:51,420 and well-brushed as her teeth. 722 00:32:51,420 --> 00:32:53,710 The success of a movie like "The Sound of Music" 723 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:55,310 makes it more difficult for anyone 724 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:57,690 to try to do anything worth doing. 725 00:32:57,690 --> 00:33:00,920 Nothing could be safer, nothing could be surer. 726 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,520 Whom could it offend? 727 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,210 Only those of us who, despite the fact that we may respond, 728 00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:08,763 loathe being manipulated in this way. 729 00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:14,050 - [Woman] What's wrong with a heroine being 730 00:33:14,050 --> 00:33:16,210 good, happy and clean-minded? 731 00:33:16,210 --> 00:33:18,840 She's the kind of girl I pray my daughter would be 732 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,030 or my son would marry. 733 00:33:21,030 --> 00:33:23,490 - [Woman] Please take my name off your mailing list 734 00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:25,160 and use it to start a fund to have 735 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,170 Pauline Kael's head examined. 736 00:33:27,170 --> 00:33:29,800 - [Woman] Please, dear woman, give up. 737 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,650 - [Woman] Her so-called writing reflects no love 738 00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:34,853 of nature, music, or feeling of loyalty to country. 739 00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:37,530 - I got dropped. 740 00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:39,810 Suddenly, there was an ad for McCall's 741 00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:41,420 listed in The New York Times 742 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:43,900 and they had a list of their writers for the next issue 743 00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:45,320 and I wasn't listed. 744 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,498 And that was how I knew I was finished. 745 00:33:47,498 --> 00:33:50,550 (typewriter keys tapping) 746 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:54,500 - [Man] Then she got another job with "The New Republic" 747 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:56,240 but she got very angry with them 748 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,290 because they were rewriting her copy. 749 00:33:59,290 --> 00:34:00,910 - She would do pieces and then she'd 750 00:34:00,910 --> 00:34:03,170 see sentences she hadn't written, 751 00:34:03,170 --> 00:34:06,460 word substitutions made without consulting her. 752 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:09,460 - She really had the shit kicked out of her. 753 00:34:09,460 --> 00:34:11,500 - [Narrator] I quit the magazine in some despair 754 00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:13,940 and had no idea what to do. 755 00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:15,660 I had come to the conclusion that 756 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:18,070 it was just about impossible to make a living 757 00:34:18,070 --> 00:34:19,193 as a movie critic. 758 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:22,800 While American enthusiasm for movies 759 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,390 has never been so high. 760 00:34:24,390 --> 00:34:28,240 American movies have never been so contemptible. 761 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,302 - How do you like that? 762 00:34:29,302 --> 00:34:30,158 (laughs) 763 00:34:30,158 --> 00:34:30,991 - Oh! 764 00:34:30,991 --> 00:34:32,050 - [Narrator] In other parts of the world 765 00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:34,150 there's been a new Golden Age. 766 00:34:34,150 --> 00:34:37,680 Great talents have fought their way through in Japan, 767 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,180 India, Sweden, Italy, France. 768 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,310 Even in England there's been something 769 00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:49,670 that passes for a renaissance, but not here. 770 00:34:49,670 --> 00:34:53,060 American enthusiasm is fed largely by foreign films, 771 00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:54,920 memories, and innocence. 772 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,310 - If you want to stay with your husband, 773 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:59,779 then I think you should decide to do without sex. 774 00:34:59,779 --> 00:35:02,362 (upbeat music) 775 00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:07,710 Goddard is the F. Scott Fitzgerald of the movie world 776 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:10,770 and movies are to the 60s a synthesis of what 777 00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:14,430 the arts were for the post-World War I generation. 778 00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:18,910 Rebellion, romance, a new style of life. 779 00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:22,363 Goddard holds his cards face up to the audience. 780 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:32,440 all over the world recognize his liberation of the movies. 781 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,630 They know that he has opened up a new kind of moviemaking. 782 00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:38,870 That he has brought a new sensibility into film. 783 00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:42,170 That like Joyce he is both kinds of master, 784 00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:44,220 both innovator and artist. 785 00:35:44,220 --> 00:35:47,030 There is a disturbing quality in Goddard's work. 786 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:50,040 His characters don't seem to have any future. 787 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,410 They are most alive just because they don't conceive 788 00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:55,033 of the day after tomorrow. 789 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,010 - The one review Pauline Kael wrote that 790 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:07,650 ended up meaning something to me in a big way 791 00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:10,630 was for a "Band of Outsiders". 792 00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:14,426 She said, it was as if a bunch of movie mad 793 00:36:14,426 --> 00:36:17,820 young French boys had taken a banal 794 00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:21,540 American crime novel and translated the poetry 795 00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:23,718 that they had read between the lines. 796 00:36:23,718 --> 00:36:25,260 (gun fires) 797 00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:30,260 It was like that is my aesthetic right there. 798 00:36:30,316 --> 00:36:32,873 That's what I hope I can do. 799 00:36:34,260 --> 00:36:36,400 - [Pauline] All those kids who used 800 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,120 to go into the other arts, 801 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,680 the brightest kids in America, 802 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,780 the ones who used to become the architect, 803 00:36:41,780 --> 00:36:43,960 and the writers and the poets, 804 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,660 they're now going into movies. 805 00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:47,040 And I think they're going to bring 806 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,562 new more complex kinds of sensibility into movies. 807 00:36:50,562 --> 00:36:51,693 - Look watch. 808 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,130 - I've seen an awful lot of movies in my life 809 00:36:56,130 --> 00:36:58,657 and I love the excitement of something new. 810 00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:07,390 - She created a tremendous amount of attention 811 00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:11,200 both to herself and to "Bonnie and Clyde" with her review, 812 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,250 which changed the face of reviewing. 813 00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:17,440 The first reviews of the movie were so bad everywhere 814 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,360 that you just thought, well, that's it for this movie. 815 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,780 - [Man] It's smothered in the cradle 816 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,220 as soon as it comes out. 817 00:37:23,220 --> 00:37:25,331 - Bosley Crowther just dumps on it. 818 00:37:25,331 --> 00:37:27,320 Totally pans it in The New York Times. 819 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,490 And I think the movie would've just disappeared. 820 00:37:30,490 --> 00:37:34,650 - And then Pauline reviewed in such a spectacular way 821 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,590 that it caused a counter reaction. 822 00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:40,060 - Newman had started the American New Wave. 823 00:37:40,060 --> 00:37:41,857 I think it was his movie, it was "Bonnie and Clyde" 824 00:37:41,857 --> 00:37:43,460 but it was also her review. 825 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:46,640 Which was a sensation and phenomenon on its own. 826 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,320 - Even if you've seen the movie, 827 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,310 it's like you haven't seen the movie. 828 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:52,090 You're seeing it for the first time 829 00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:53,963 as you're reading the review. 830 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:57,350 - Ain't you ashamed 831 00:37:57,350 --> 00:38:00,100 for trying to steal an old lady's automobile? 832 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:01,690 - [Narrator] During the first part of the movie, 833 00:38:01,690 --> 00:38:05,297 a woman in my row was gleefully assuring her companions, 834 00:38:05,297 --> 00:38:08,517 "It's a comedy, it's a comedy." 835 00:38:09,775 --> 00:38:11,570 (gun fires) 836 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:13,603 After a while she didn't say anything. 837 00:38:14,507 --> 00:38:16,410 "Bonnie and Clyde" needs violence. 838 00:38:16,410 --> 00:38:18,400 Violence is meaning. 839 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,730 But because of the quality of American life 840 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:22,280 at the present time, 841 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,980 perhaps there can be no real comedy 842 00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:27,210 without true horror in it. 843 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:29,050 - This is in the middle of the Vietnam War. 844 00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:32,430 Where people are becoming inured to death, 845 00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:34,663 to carnage, to blood. 846 00:38:35,574 --> 00:38:38,160 - Hey, isn't that Malcolm there? 847 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,717 - I will never forget the last line of that piece. 848 00:38:41,717 --> 00:38:46,717 "By making us care about these outlaw lovers, 849 00:38:47,647 --> 00:38:50,927 "this movie has put the sting back into death. 850 00:38:50,927 --> 00:38:51,947 "Wham!" 851 00:38:51,947 --> 00:38:55,114 (guns firing rapidly) 852 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,830 The movie ends in complete silence. 853 00:39:04,830 --> 00:39:08,093 And the theater is left in complete silence. 854 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:13,810 Everything you'd been watching on the news every night 855 00:39:13,810 --> 00:39:18,810 from Vietnam has suddenly been made unreal by this movie. 856 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,890 That's the great inversion that happens in art. 857 00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:26,383 That happens and that criticism can help make happen. 858 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,860 - Her review was rejected by The New Republic 859 00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:32,690 because it's against the tide, 860 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:34,030 and then The New Yorker publishes 861 00:39:34,030 --> 00:39:36,430 her review of "Bonnie and Clyde", 862 00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:39,750 and then she gets hired to be The New Yorker's film critic. 863 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:42,820 And she was the major voice there for a long time. 864 00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:46,290 - When she finally was offered the job at The New Yorker 865 00:39:46,290 --> 00:39:48,000 that was heaven to her. 866 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,623 Having some success was really, really good for her. 867 00:39:52,623 --> 00:39:53,780 I think she looked better. 868 00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:55,270 She thrived on it. 869 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:58,010 - [Man] It was a real jolt to a lot 870 00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:59,980 of the readers of The New Yorker 871 00:39:59,980 --> 00:40:04,630 who were used to this rather gentile, rolling prose 872 00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:07,020 She didn't want her sentences straightened out. 873 00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:09,980 She didn't want them made more elegant. 874 00:40:09,980 --> 00:40:11,751 - [Man] You'd get to The Current Cinema 875 00:40:11,751 --> 00:40:14,020 and it was like a jet taking off. 876 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:18,483 - William Shawn was a very old school gentleman. 877 00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:23,420 He came from a time when publishing in New York City 878 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:25,770 was really a gentleman's profession. 879 00:40:25,770 --> 00:40:27,864 - She had a great deal of respect for him. 880 00:40:27,864 --> 00:40:30,310 And I think it was mutual love hatred. 881 00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:32,650 They saw how brilliant the other one was 882 00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:35,479 and at the same time it was like philosophically 883 00:40:35,479 --> 00:40:38,490 they came from very different points of view. 884 00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:41,930 - Shawn was the bane of her existence 885 00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:43,830 and he was also her benefactor. 886 00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:46,610 - She would fight tooth and nail not to weaken 887 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:49,460 or as she once said, "Not to chop the balls off a piece." 888 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,720 - [Narrator] As Henry Moon Nicholson keeps working his mouth 889 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,430 with the tongue darting out and dangling lewdly, 890 00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:59,940 he's like a commercial for cunnilingus. 891 00:40:59,940 --> 00:41:01,540 - [William] This has to come out. 892 00:41:01,540 --> 00:41:04,020 We can't or won't print it. 893 00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:05,600 - [Narrator] Cinematographer, Victor Kemper, 894 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,200 makes every interior look like a cold latrine. 895 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,870 - [William] Here we go again. 896 00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:12,670 After all, the world is full of things 897 00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:14,370 other than latrines. 898 00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:15,790 Why, why? 899 00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:18,420 - She provoked him on purpose, I'm sure of it. 900 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:19,750 In fact, she said so. 901 00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:22,560 She'd say, oh Bill's really gonna love this. 902 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,870 - [Narrator] I remember getting a letter from an eminent 903 00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:27,320 New Yorker writer suggesting that I was tramping 904 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,840 through the pages of the magazine 905 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,800 with cowboy boots covered with dung 906 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,490 and that I should move on out with my cowboy boots. 907 00:41:34,490 --> 00:41:37,010 - A lot mail that came to me in the first years 908 00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:38,937 at The New Yorker was, "Why don't you get a job 909 00:41:38,937 --> 00:41:41,190 "on the sports page and learn how to write." 910 00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:46,190 - She conducted a debate between filmmakers and herself. 911 00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:49,800 We were all under surveillance 912 00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:53,670 and she kept us on our toes. 913 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:55,930 - We're not talking about film criticism here, 914 00:41:55,930 --> 00:41:57,180 we're talking about Pauline Kael 915 00:41:57,180 --> 00:42:00,975 and in the end of the game what 916 00:42:00,975 --> 00:42:03,670 Pauline Kael promoted wasn't film, 917 00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:05,140 it was her. 918 00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:08,230 - I think all art and cinema are subjective. 919 00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:11,920 And I think she was a master of contradiction, 920 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,290 and the films that she spoke about 921 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:17,040 were filled with contradiction. 922 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,710 And often, her tastes were full of contradiction. 923 00:42:19,710 --> 00:42:22,300 - I think some people make a mistake 924 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:25,210 of wanting to drop on everything if it's 925 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,480 saying not as great as Eisenstein, 926 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,151 when the important thing is to see 927 00:42:29,151 --> 00:42:31,680 how movies are used by people 928 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,310 and what needs they satisfy. 929 00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,033 Some of the greatest pleasures I've had 930 00:42:35,033 --> 00:42:37,283 have been from pretty terrible pictures. 931 00:42:38,168 --> 00:42:39,510 (gun fires) 932 00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:40,343 - [Vincent] You must see it with 933 00:42:40,343 --> 00:42:41,560 your own eyes to believe it. 934 00:42:43,041 --> 00:42:45,010 (moaning) 935 00:42:45,010 --> 00:42:46,850 - [Narrator] I don't trust anyone who doesn't admit 936 00:42:46,850 --> 00:42:49,040 to having, at some time, in his life enjoyed 937 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,210 trashy American movies. 938 00:42:51,210 --> 00:42:54,090 Seeing trash can liberate the spectator. 939 00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:57,543 We might as well relax and enjoy it freely for what it is. 940 00:42:57,543 --> 00:43:00,070 - [Man] Stupid, stupid! 941 00:43:00,070 --> 00:43:01,970 - Just what is it that you want to do? 942 00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:03,593 - Well, we wanna be free! 943 00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:07,630 And we wanna get loaded. 944 00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:08,890 - [Crowd] Yeah! 945 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:13,890 - Trash, Art, and the Movies was highly influential to me. 946 00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:16,100 I knew the difference between what was art 947 00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,000 and what was trash, 948 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,970 but her distinction between what 949 00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:23,410 is good trash and bad trash, 950 00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:26,720 populist movies that are done really well 951 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,170 but do not aspire, necessarily, to be art 952 00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:32,010 are still to be cherished and tried for. 953 00:43:32,010 --> 00:43:34,603 It's what the business of the studio is. 954 00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:37,440 And you don't have to do it by pandering 955 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,100 to the lowest common denominator you can do it well 956 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:42,640 without necessarily making art. 957 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,680 - I've got information, man. 958 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,030 New shit has come to light. 959 00:43:50,279 --> 00:43:51,900 - [Narrator] The movie doesn't have to be great 960 00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:53,400 it can be stupid and empty 961 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,940 and you can still have the joy of a good performance, 962 00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,103 or the joy in just a good lie. 963 00:44:00,215 --> 00:44:01,432 - Say it, say it! 964 00:44:01,432 --> 00:44:03,950 - It's a man! 965 00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:05,540 - You ain't gonna do shit. 966 00:44:05,540 --> 00:44:08,670 - Do you have to use so many cuss words? 967 00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:11,100 - [Narrator] A dirty remark that someone tosses off 968 00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:12,710 with a mock innocent face. 969 00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:15,787 - I see you shiver with anticipation. 970 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,260 - [Narrator] And the world makes a little bit of sense. 971 00:44:22,260 --> 00:44:23,550 The world doesn't work the way 972 00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:24,760 the schoolbooks said it did, 973 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,560 and we are different from what our parents 974 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,630 and teachers expected us to be. 975 00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:31,950 Movies are our cheap and easy expression. 976 00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:35,010 The sullen art of displaced persons. 977 00:44:35,010 --> 00:44:37,970 Because we feel low we sink in the boredom, 978 00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:41,300 relax in the irresponsibility and maybe grin for a minute 979 00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,560 when the gunman lines up three men and kills 980 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,530 them with a single bullet. 981 00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:48,670 Which is no more real to us than the nursery school 982 00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:50,613 story of the brave little tailor. 983 00:44:52,060 --> 00:44:53,960 - Does anybody ever call you or write 984 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,790 to you and say thank you? 985 00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:57,180 I learn from you, I'm an actor-- 986 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:58,907 - They also say a lot of other things. 987 00:44:58,907 --> 00:44:59,740 - [Interviewer] No, I assume that. 988 00:44:59,740 --> 00:45:02,610 But does anybody ever say I learned from you Pauline Kael? 989 00:45:02,610 --> 00:45:03,960 - Yes. 990 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,450 I also get a considerable amount of hate mail. 991 00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:08,360 - [Interviewer] Have you ever gotten a death threat? 992 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,050 - Yes, people have described exactly 993 00:45:11,050 --> 00:45:12,250 how they're going to cut me up 994 00:45:12,250 --> 00:45:14,810 and what they're going to do with each part of me. 995 00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:17,020 - There are time when people will tell me something 996 00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:18,700 that she said to them, 997 00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:20,740 and I think that's impossible. 998 00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:23,320 And then, I realize they couldn't have made it up 999 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,540 because it is just shocking. 1000 00:45:26,540 --> 00:45:30,910 - Pauline could be very combative and very provocative. 1001 00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:35,190 And she could be cruel for no reason. 1002 00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:38,430 - There's a kind of, I'm not quite sure what they call 1003 00:45:38,430 --> 00:45:41,323 themselves, but it's a critics circle. 1004 00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:44,570 - [John] New York Critics Circle invited 1005 00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:47,010 David Lean to come for lunch. 1006 00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,548 - They're very good with their tongues. 1007 00:45:48,548 --> 00:45:50,490 And I was there for about two hours 1008 00:45:52,774 --> 00:45:56,191 and Pauline Kael is pretty sharp-tongued. 1009 00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:00,500 - And she just let into him. 1010 00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:01,527 Why did you make this movie? 1011 00:46:01,527 --> 00:46:03,310 And the poor guy thought he'd come 1012 00:46:03,310 --> 00:46:05,260 for a sort of social meeting, 1013 00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:06,730 and it was anything but. 1014 00:46:06,730 --> 00:46:10,740 - She got up and trashed his films. 1015 00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:13,276 And he was shattered by it. 1016 00:46:13,276 --> 00:46:14,976 - And in the end I remember saying 1017 00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:18,480 I don't think you ladies and gentlemen 1018 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,334 will be satisfied until I do a film in 16 millimeter 1019 00:46:23,334 --> 00:46:25,513 and in black and white. 1020 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,363 And Pauline Kael said that no you can have color, 1021 00:46:31,364 --> 00:46:32,600 and that's the end of it. 1022 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,300 - She took him apart. 1023 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:37,980 - It really quite had an awful affect on me 1024 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:42,600 and I thought, why on Earth am I making films? 1025 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,653 I don't have to. 1026 00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:47,800 And I didn't for a bit. 1027 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,183 It shakes one's confidence, you know, terribly. 1028 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:54,920 - [Narrator] It's a bad, bad sign when 1029 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,460 a movie director begins to think 1030 00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:58,233 of himself as a myth maker. 1031 00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:00,980 - [Man] It has been said of Pauline that 1032 00:47:00,980 --> 00:47:05,810 she had the greatest bullshit detector of anyone around. 1033 00:47:05,810 --> 00:47:10,810 - She pointed out this huge fraudulent aspect to the story 1034 00:47:11,090 --> 00:47:13,670 that you had just glided right by. 1035 00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:15,640 And the thing that made you mad 1036 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,690 is she just kind of destroyed the movie for you 1037 00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:18,930 because she pointed out something 1038 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:20,463 that was obviously there. 1039 00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:24,987 - [David] As soon as you thought, 1040 00:47:24,987 --> 00:47:27,440 I know she's gonna like this movie, 1041 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,163 she would just pull the rug out from under you. 1042 00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:33,930 - [Narrator] And this limp myth of a grand plan 1043 00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:36,830 that justifies slaughter and ends with resurrection 1044 00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:38,433 has been around before. 1045 00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:42,820 Kubrick's storyline accounting for evolution 1046 00:47:42,820 --> 00:47:45,810 by an extra terrestrial intelligence is probably 1047 00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:49,210 the most gloriously redundant plot of all time. 1048 00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:51,737 And although his intentions may have been different, 1049 00:47:51,737 --> 00:47:55,283 "2001" celebrates the end of man. 1050 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,360 - I agreed with her position on "2001". 1051 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,193 It's all subjective. 1052 00:48:00,193 --> 00:48:02,290 And that's the best opinion you can have about movies 1053 00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:04,267 is that it's subjective. 1054 00:48:04,267 --> 00:48:05,833 - [HAL 9000] My mind is going. 1055 00:48:05,833 --> 00:48:07,240 - A critic should stimulate you to develop 1056 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,590 to develop your own opinion. 1057 00:48:09,590 --> 00:48:13,503 You're not there to be converted to the critic's viewpoint. 1058 00:48:14,337 --> 00:48:17,520 - [Narrator] "2001" is a celebration of a cop-out. 1059 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,710 It says man is just a tiny nothing 1060 00:48:19,710 --> 00:48:21,820 on the stairway of paradise. 1061 00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:23,660 There is an intelligence out there 1062 00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:27,460 in space controlling your destiny from ape to angel. 1063 00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:29,283 So, just follow the slab. 1064 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,860 - For Pauline everything was a conversation. 1065 00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:37,583 She always wanted to know first off, what did you think? 1066 00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:39,500 Have you seen? 1067 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:40,530 Did you hear? 1068 00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:41,600 Did you read? 1069 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,870 Pauline had a reaction to everything 1070 00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:45,799 and she expected other people to have 1071 00:48:45,799 --> 00:48:48,340 a reaction to everything because 1072 00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:51,660 it might make her think of something she hadn't thought of. 1073 00:48:51,660 --> 00:48:53,790 It might give her an idea. 1074 00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:55,430 It might outrage her because 1075 00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:58,550 it was so obviously wrong-headed. 1076 00:48:58,550 --> 00:49:00,380 It might lead her somewhere else. 1077 00:49:00,380 --> 00:49:03,850 - Even the angry mail is interesting 1078 00:49:03,850 --> 00:49:06,760 because you know you're touching a nerve in some way. 1079 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,600 For example, on the film "Mean Streets", which I love, 1080 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,350 which did not do terribly well, 1081 00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:13,860 but the critical response to it helped 1082 00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:16,890 Martin Scorsese get going in his career. 1083 00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:19,270 That film, which I felt was innovative 1084 00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:20,370 and was doing something 1085 00:49:20,370 --> 00:49:22,880 and wrote about with great enthusiasm, 1086 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,430 a number of people were very hostile to. 1087 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:27,720 And that response tells you something. 1088 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,350 It tells you that there's something 1089 00:49:29,350 --> 00:49:31,103 interesting in that movie. 1090 00:49:31,103 --> 00:49:33,400 (laughing) 1091 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,850 - [Narrator] It's about American life here and now 1092 00:49:35,850 --> 00:49:37,970 and it doesn't look like an American movie 1093 00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:40,050 or feel like one. 1094 00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:41,740 - Hey, there ain't nothing wrong with me, my friend. 1095 00:49:41,740 --> 00:49:42,573 I'm feeling fine. 1096 00:49:42,573 --> 00:49:43,840 - [Man] Keep your mouth shut. 1097 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,453 - You tell me that in front of this asshole. 1098 00:49:45,453 --> 00:49:46,420 - [Man] All right, all right. 1099 00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:47,980 We're not gonna pay. 1100 00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:49,810 - [Narrator] Johnny Boy flouts all the rules 1101 00:49:49,810 --> 00:49:51,843 he just won't behave. 1102 00:49:51,843 --> 00:49:52,676 - I don't have the guts? 1103 00:49:52,676 --> 00:49:54,261 C'mon, asshole, come over here, come over here. 1104 00:49:54,261 --> 00:49:56,520 I'll put this up your ass. 1105 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,350 - [Narrator] He's fearless, gleefully self-destructive, 1106 00:49:59,350 --> 00:50:02,250 cracked, moonstruck but not really crazy. 1107 00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:05,270 When you're growing up, if you know someone crazy, daring, 1108 00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:08,130 and half admirable, and maybe most of us do, 1109 00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:10,590 you don't wonder how the beautiful nut got that way. 1110 00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:11,423 - You dirty, two-faced, fucking fag, 1111 00:50:11,423 --> 00:50:13,590 don't ever hit me again! 1112 00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:15,720 - [Narrator] He seems to spring up full-blown 1113 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,090 and whirling and you watch the fireworks 1114 00:50:18,090 --> 00:50:20,844 and feel crumbly cautious in your sanity. 1115 00:50:20,844 --> 00:50:23,050 (bomb explodes) 1116 00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:24,210 - [Controller] Hello, Houston, 1117 00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:26,533 the Endeavor is on station with cargo. 1118 00:50:28,990 --> 00:50:33,010 - [Man] As the 70s evolved, this incredible 1119 00:50:33,010 --> 00:50:35,854 period of moviemaking took off. 1120 00:50:35,854 --> 00:50:37,390 (man yells) 1121 00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:39,250 - [Man] It was a tsunami of films that 1122 00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:40,290 suddenly started coming. 1123 00:50:40,290 --> 00:50:41,900 And films like we had never seen before. 1124 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:43,430 - His will be done. 1125 00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:47,350 - People whom she felt had talent that was not 1126 00:50:47,350 --> 00:50:51,140 necessarily fully appreciated by other critics. 1127 00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:53,200 She would champion them. 1128 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,730 - [Man] Ironically, since she had written that piece 1129 00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:57,774 against auteurism, one of her greatest 1130 00:50:57,774 --> 00:51:02,774 impacts was in making Sam Peckinpah, Martin Scorsese, 1131 00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:06,535 Coppola, Brian De Palma into heroes 1132 00:51:06,535 --> 00:51:09,067 of cinema for young people. 1133 00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:11,100 - She wasn't some witness of the American New Wave. 1134 00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:12,660 She wasn't just some chronicler of it. 1135 00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:14,540 She was riding the New Wave. 1136 00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:15,373 That was her. 1137 00:51:15,373 --> 00:51:16,390 That was her, too. 1138 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:18,660 - [Man] She could make people's lives and careers. 1139 00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:21,670 - [Man] That's when she became the go-to critic. 1140 00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:23,960 - [Man] Opinion is divided to say the least of it. 1141 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,470 - [Man] The best respected film critic. 1142 00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:28,350 - [Man] America's most formidable and acerbic film critic. 1143 00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:30,120 - [Man] Her collected movie criticism reads 1144 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,150 as a history of popular culture. 1145 00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:35,597 After three books, Miss Kael's fourth, "Deeper Into Movies", 1146 00:51:35,597 --> 00:51:37,860 was a winner of the National Book Award. 1147 00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:40,093 Soon, she'll publish her fifth collection. 1148 00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:47,150 - [Man] I think she was dazzled by Brian De Palma. 1149 00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:49,800 I think she was in love with the sort of 1150 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,820 sensuousness of his style. 1151 00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:52,930 - [Jaime] I think with De Palma, 1152 00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:55,490 all this color from the blood and everything, 1153 00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:57,210 was really a turn on for her. 1154 00:51:57,210 --> 00:52:00,103 - [Woman] You know she was the one who discovered him. 1155 00:52:00,980 --> 00:52:02,870 - [Narrator] The visual poetry of "The Fury" 1156 00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:05,360 is so strong that its narrative and verbal 1157 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,760 inadequacies do not matter. 1158 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,740 He has such a grip on his technique 1159 00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:11,430 that you get the sense of a director 1160 00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:13,710 who cares about little else. 1161 00:52:13,710 --> 00:52:17,350 The finale is the greatest finish for any villain ever. 1162 00:52:17,350 --> 00:52:21,730 One can imagine Welles, Peckinpah, Scorsese, and Spielberg 1163 00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:25,423 still stunned bowing to the ground choking with laughter. 1164 00:52:26,962 --> 00:52:28,077 (laughing) 1165 00:52:28,077 --> 00:52:28,910 (beeping) 1166 00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:31,160 (laughing) 1167 00:52:33,576 --> 00:52:36,723 - This is nuts. 1168 00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:44,000 - She drew a lot of readers to The New Yorker. 1169 00:52:45,363 --> 00:52:46,832 - No, no! 1170 00:52:46,832 --> 00:52:50,207 (car explodes) 1171 00:52:50,207 --> 00:52:53,860 - But if she had a film that she really cared about, 1172 00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:55,958 like "The Godfather" films then 1173 00:52:55,958 --> 00:52:59,960 she couldn't wait to write. 1174 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:01,520 - Let me say that I swear 1175 00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:05,713 on the souls of my grandchildren. 1176 00:53:07,730 --> 00:53:09,750 - [Narrator] The role of Don Vito allows Brando 1177 00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:11,980 to release more of the gentleness that was 1178 00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:15,520 so seductive and unsettling in his braggart roles. 1179 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,090 The rasp in his voice is particularly effective 1180 00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:20,420 after Don Vito has been wounded. 1181 00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:22,620 One almost feels that the bullets cracked it 1182 00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:25,380 and wishes it hadn't been cracked before. 1183 00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:28,220 His Don is a primitive, sacred monster 1184 00:53:28,220 --> 00:53:30,560 and the more powerful because he suggests 1185 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,710 not the strapping sacred monsters of movies but actual ones. 1186 00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:37,250 Those old men who carry never-ending grudges 1187 00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:40,290 and ancient hatreds inside a frail frame. 1188 00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:42,770 Those monsters who remember minute details 1189 00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:44,260 of old business deals when they 1190 00:53:44,260 --> 00:53:46,493 can no longer tie their shoelaces. 1191 00:53:49,550 --> 00:53:51,910 Don Vito's son, Michael, the young king 1192 00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:53,870 rots before our eyes, 1193 00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:56,260 and there is something about actually seeing 1194 00:53:56,260 --> 00:53:58,820 the generations of a family in counterpoint 1195 00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:01,690 that is emotionally overpowering. 1196 00:54:01,690 --> 00:54:04,450 It's as if the movie satisfied an impossible 1197 00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:07,510 but basic human desire to see what our parents 1198 00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:09,260 were like before we were born 1199 00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:12,483 and to see what they did that affected what we became. 1200 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,920 The whole picture is infused with such a complex 1201 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,830 sense of the intermingling of good and evil 1202 00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:22,080 and of the inability to foresee the effect 1203 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,833 of our love upon our children. 1204 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,750 - She seemed to notice everything. 1205 00:54:28,750 --> 00:54:31,350 - Going to movies for Pauline was a very social thing. 1206 00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:32,910 - [Man] She made so many noises. 1207 00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:34,430 They almost asked her to leave. 1208 00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:36,570 - She was sighing very audibly. 1209 00:54:36,570 --> 00:54:38,920 - Really just sitting there and kept this little pencil 1210 00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,753 and paper and writing. 1211 00:54:39,753 --> 00:54:41,390 You hear little notes all the time. 1212 00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:44,440 - We could feel her rolling her eyes. 1213 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,310 - [Woman] She would kind of sometimes (clears her throat). 1214 00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:49,270 - The most intimidating part was afterwards 1215 00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:51,630 when she asked you what you thought about it. 1216 00:54:51,630 --> 00:54:54,420 - That was one of the reasons that she tended 1217 00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:55,873 to get her own screenings. 1218 00:54:55,873 --> 00:54:57,260 (chuckles) 1219 00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:59,334 - They didn't like the movies she liked. 1220 00:54:59,334 --> 00:55:00,167 You could not be good friends. 1221 00:55:00,167 --> 00:55:02,070 - She had fantastic recall. 1222 00:55:02,070 --> 00:55:06,850 She could remember scenes going back 50-60 years. 1223 00:55:06,850 --> 00:55:09,930 They would just anchor themselves in her mind. 1224 00:55:09,930 --> 00:55:11,910 I remember when I showed her the recut 1225 00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:13,120 of a "Touch of Evil". 1226 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,840 She knew exactly where it had been altered 1227 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,490 and she hadn't seen the movie in 30 years. 1228 00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:21,760 - Her daughter Gina would type what she had written up 1229 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,180 then Pauline would go through it again 1230 00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:26,450 and make penciled corrections, 1231 00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:27,940 and then Gina would retype. 1232 00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:32,690 - My mother always wrote in longhand her whole life. 1233 00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:34,290 She never learned to type 1234 00:55:34,290 --> 00:55:38,540 and she was having such trouble rounding up typists. 1235 00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:41,830 I decided I would just learn to type because I was there 1236 00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:44,420 and it seemed like something that needed doing. 1237 00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:47,130 I didn't realize it then I would end up 1238 00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:49,693 continuing to do that for many, many years. 1239 00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:54,910 I knew the way her mind worked so well. 1240 00:55:54,910 --> 00:55:59,170 I could tell if she hadn't quite said what she meant to say. 1241 00:55:59,170 --> 00:56:00,220 - [George] She wouldn't rewrite. 1242 00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:01,743 She would press for clarity. 1243 00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:05,130 - [Lili] The Current Cinema column was not Pauline's alone, 1244 00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:05,963 not initially. 1245 00:56:05,963 --> 00:56:08,570 She shared it with Penelope Gilliatt. 1246 00:56:08,570 --> 00:56:10,550 Six months on, six months off. 1247 00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:13,225 The New Yorker was not paying her a living wage 1248 00:56:13,225 --> 00:56:16,000 so she had to supplement her income. 1249 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,470 Lectures, speaking engagements, and other essays 1250 00:56:19,470 --> 00:56:21,310 including "Raising Kane". 1251 00:56:21,310 --> 00:56:24,380 Which I think was her finest piece of writing. 1252 00:56:24,380 --> 00:56:25,310 - [David] She loved the film 1253 00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:30,100 and I don't think she intended to rile people 1254 00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:31,850 the way that people were riled. 1255 00:56:31,850 --> 00:56:34,560 - [Announcer] Raising Kane, a two-part article 1256 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,250 about Orson Welles and the writing and filming 1257 00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:40,700 of "Citizen Kane" by Pauline Kael. 1258 00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:43,110 Appearing now in The New Yorker, 1259 00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:45,053 yes The New Yorker. 1260 00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,120 - I thought it was a very, very cruel, mean-spirited 1261 00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:07,604 and essentially destructive job. 1262 00:57:07,604 --> 00:57:10,940 I think the thing was a perfectly clear 1263 00:57:10,940 --> 00:57:12,950 attempt to assassinate Orson. 1264 00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:13,920 - He can't do this to me. 1265 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,680 - The piece I wrote "Raising Kane" was the introduction 1266 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,080 to the publication of the script 1267 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,030 and so, naturally, I wanted know who had written the script, 1268 00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:28,150 and going back over it it became clear 1269 00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:31,263 that Mankiewicz was the important force in the writing. 1270 00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:44,840 - [Narrator] Mankiewicz's script, in large part, 1271 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,190 was an adaptation of the material of Hearst's life. 1272 00:57:48,190 --> 00:57:50,520 His life was so full of knavery and perversity 1273 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,430 that Mankiewicz simply sorted out the plums. 1274 00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:55,910 Mankiewicz had been a reporter on the Pulitzer paper 1275 00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:58,160 where Hearts, himself, had worked for a time. 1276 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,260 - Almost like short story writing, 1277 00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:03,927 inserting Herman Mankiewicz into this 1278 00:58:03,927 --> 00:58:05,593 almost character out of a novel. 1279 00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:09,330 - [Paul] You know, her argument was against the grain 1280 00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:11,270 of what everybody was saying. 1281 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:13,260 - In critical history it was a turning point 1282 00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:16,110 for Welles being discussed again. 1283 00:58:16,110 --> 00:58:18,970 - I really think I did justice to Welles 1284 00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:22,090 who I have enormous respect for as a director 1285 00:58:22,090 --> 00:58:23,060 and as a actor. 1286 00:58:23,060 --> 00:58:24,870 And I love the movie and I love his work. 1287 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:26,330 I love his other movies. 1288 00:58:26,330 --> 00:58:29,080 But here's this great historical figure 1289 00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,903 who had been lost sight of who wrote the script. 1290 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,330 - [Interviewer] Why have North Americans become so violent 1291 00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:43,400 in their reactions to "Last Tango in Paris"? 1292 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,410 - [Pauline] The film was compared to hardcore pornography. 1293 00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:48,400 Which I don't think was true in any sense. 1294 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,800 - No male critic has as much testosterone as Pauline. 1295 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,130 So, this is what I think was sort of always shocking 1296 00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:59,170 and kind of sexy about her writing that 1297 00:58:59,170 --> 00:59:01,770 nobody else could get away with writing that way. 1298 00:59:01,770 --> 00:59:03,950 I was in awe of it. 1299 00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:05,660 - She often used the sexual metaphor 1300 00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:07,030 in the titles of her books. 1301 00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:09,830 But I had the feeling like she could be having sex 1302 00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:12,160 with the movie, as it were, and enjoying it 1303 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,880 and at the same time sort of providing 1304 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,267 a running commentary on it like, "Oh, that's good, 1305 00:59:16,267 --> 00:59:18,070 "that is really good." 1306 00:59:18,070 --> 00:59:19,710 - [Dick] Who else is good in the--? 1307 00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:21,190 - Pauline Kael. 1308 00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:22,023 - [Dick] Yeah. 1309 00:59:22,023 --> 00:59:24,350 - She's never said a good thing about me yet. 1310 00:59:24,350 --> 00:59:25,767 That dirty old broad. 1311 00:59:25,767 --> 00:59:28,620 (audience laughing) 1312 00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:32,570 But she's probably the most qualified critic in the world 1313 00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:34,110 'cause she cares about film 1314 00:59:34,110 --> 00:59:35,810 and those that are involved in it. 1315 00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:40,273 - Last Tango was surely gonna be provocative. 1316 00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:42,669 It's a movie like "Breathless", 1317 00:59:42,669 --> 00:59:45,427 the film is still wet. 1318 00:59:45,427 --> 00:59:49,360 It's still fresh out of the camera. 1319 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,170 - I saw the movie and obviously it was pretty exciting. 1320 00:59:53,170 --> 00:59:56,560 Went to the head of the New York Film Festival 1321 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,770 and I said I will give you "Last Tango in Paris", 1322 00:59:58,770 --> 01:00:02,320 Bernard's movie, which will probably be X-rated, 1323 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,689 to open the New York Film Festival on one condition. 1324 01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:06,522 He said, "What's that?" 1325 01:00:06,522 --> 01:00:09,222 And I said, nobody will screen this picture 1326 01:00:09,222 --> 01:00:12,003 and see it before opening night. 1327 01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:16,390 - [Narrator] Bernardo Bertolucci's "Last Tango in Paris" 1328 01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:18,180 was presented on the closing night 1329 01:00:18,180 --> 01:00:23,180 of the New York Film Festival, October 14, 1972. 1330 01:00:23,330 --> 01:00:24,780 - Pauline had bought a ticket 1331 01:00:25,630 --> 01:00:28,250 because they didn't give out tickets to critics. 1332 01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:29,940 She bought a ticket and she was in the audience. 1333 01:00:29,940 --> 01:00:31,553 We had no idea she was there. 1334 01:00:32,410 --> 01:00:34,270 - [Narrator] That date should be become a landmark 1335 01:00:34,270 --> 01:00:38,740 in movie history comparable to May 29, 1913 1336 01:00:38,740 --> 01:00:40,370 the night "The Rite of Spring" 1337 01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:43,170 was performed in music history. 1338 01:00:43,170 --> 01:00:45,450 There was no riot and no one threw anything 1339 01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:47,570 at the screen but I think it's fair to say 1340 01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:50,510 that the audience was in a state of shock. 1341 01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:52,391 Because "Last Tango in Paris" has the same 1342 01:00:52,391 --> 01:00:55,990 kind of hypnotic excitement as The Rite. 1343 01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:59,350 The same primitive force and the same thrusting, 1344 01:00:59,350 --> 01:01:00,824 jabbing eroticism. 1345 01:01:00,824 --> 01:01:04,530 - Her review became the campaign for the movie. 1346 01:01:04,530 --> 01:01:06,290 Double truck, two pages. 1347 01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:08,900 Spread across the Sunday New York Times. 1348 01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:11,833 They were lined up from the morning of the first day. 1349 01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:16,843 - I don't know. 1350 01:01:16,843 --> 01:01:18,230 Don't open it. 1351 01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:21,424 - I don't understand why she went to the mat for that film. 1352 01:01:21,424 --> 01:01:24,910 To this day, that movie was horrible, okay? 1353 01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:27,700 I thought it was so artificial, forced, 1354 01:01:27,700 --> 01:01:31,530 calculated, ugly, unerotic. 1355 01:01:31,530 --> 01:01:33,780 - I was recently on a big talk show 1356 01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:37,260 and the host told me on the air 1357 01:01:37,260 --> 01:01:39,690 how appalled he was by my review 1358 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:42,110 and how it was a very poor movie, 1359 01:01:42,110 --> 01:01:43,710 and how could I say those things. 1360 01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:45,870 And in the commercial break the producer 1361 01:01:45,870 --> 01:01:47,357 came over to me and whispered, 1362 01:01:47,357 --> 01:01:48,267 "He loved the movie. 1363 01:01:48,267 --> 01:01:50,690 "He's just afraid to say so." 1364 01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:53,893 - She was influential to other critics, 1365 01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:57,870 and I think her ideas were picked up by other critics. 1366 01:01:57,870 --> 01:02:01,230 And of course, you know the Paulettes, as they were called, 1367 01:02:01,230 --> 01:02:03,930 the critics who followed her slavishly. 1368 01:02:03,930 --> 01:02:06,003 - She got me into UCLA in the fall of '68, 1369 01:02:07,268 --> 01:02:09,461 and then, she got me a job at the 1370 01:02:09,461 --> 01:02:11,300 L.A. Free Press as a critic 1371 01:02:11,300 --> 01:02:13,890 because she was collecting a group 1372 01:02:13,890 --> 01:02:15,820 of young critics at that time. 1373 01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:17,410 - She wanted to expand her influence 1374 01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:20,910 and she got to know editors at all the different papers 1375 01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:23,579 so if Paul Schrader, or Roger Ebert, or somebody 1376 01:02:23,579 --> 01:02:27,520 was up for a job she would try to get them in a place 1377 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:28,820 where she could then get in touch with, 1378 01:02:28,820 --> 01:02:30,880 or hey we got get behind this movie. 1379 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,940 - Whenever a particular film came along, 1380 01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:36,950 that she felt we should get behind, she would call. 1381 01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:38,930 You say, "La Chinoise". 1382 01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:40,710 Great film, we gotta get behind it. 1383 01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:41,880 Even if you were on the fence, 1384 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,740 you owed it to her to get behind it. 1385 01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:46,120 Maybe you could disagree once or twice, 1386 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,130 but if you disagreed all the time, 1387 01:02:48,130 --> 01:02:49,710 those calls would stop coming. 1388 01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:52,577 There was like a first generation of Paulettes 1389 01:02:52,577 --> 01:02:54,170 and a second, and a third. 1390 01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:56,900 - My attitude from the beginning was 1391 01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:58,660 well I'd rather be called a Paulette 1392 01:02:58,660 --> 01:03:01,470 than an Andrew Sarris-ite. 1393 01:03:01,470 --> 01:03:03,890 - I reject that term violently. 1394 01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:07,170 I am not a Paulette, I'm a Paulinista. 1395 01:03:07,170 --> 01:03:10,880 Meaning that I have learned from her approach 1396 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,680 and attempt to apply it in my own work. 1397 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,040 - And movie opinions at the time, 1398 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,440 you have to understand, these were the late 60s, 1399 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,220 early 70s they were very important, 1400 01:03:19,220 --> 01:03:23,380 and there was a huge change in the industry coming, 1401 01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:25,960 and she was sort of presiding over it. 1402 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,220 - If you did agree on a film, 1403 01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:28,900 the support was somewhat undercut because 1404 01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:31,280 it was seen as being all Pauline 1405 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,660 and not these individual people. 1406 01:03:32,660 --> 01:03:37,360 And I thought that was unfortunate and destructive thing. 1407 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,870 - I was at the Village Voice 1408 01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:41,280 and she invited me to visit her at The New Yorker. 1409 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,190 Now that was very problematic 1410 01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:46,040 because at the Village Voice I was writing 1411 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,610 alongside Andrew Sariss who 1412 01:03:47,610 --> 01:03:49,950 had this long-standing antipathy. 1413 01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:52,970 And in fact, I had several colleagues phone me 1414 01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:55,923 and say you really wanna keep your distance. 1415 01:03:57,275 --> 01:03:59,120 A, she'll eat you alive 1416 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,880 and B, you don't wanna be 1417 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,360 branded as one of her circle, 1418 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,850 getting opinions from her from on high. 1419 01:04:06,850 --> 01:04:10,270 And I thought about it and I thought, 1420 01:04:10,270 --> 01:04:12,282 fuck it's Pauline Kael. 1421 01:04:12,282 --> 01:04:14,420 I'd love to hang out with her. 1422 01:04:14,420 --> 01:04:16,530 - She's on everybody's radar 1423 01:04:16,530 --> 01:04:20,450 because when she would pick somebody like Robert Altman, 1424 01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:23,490 those people whom she felt had talent that 1425 01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:27,700 was not necessarily fully appreciated by other critics, 1426 01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:28,533 she would champion them. 1427 01:04:28,533 --> 01:04:30,210 - What did you come here for? 1428 01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:32,010 - Well, I heard you had the fanciest whorehouse 1429 01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:34,060 in the whole territory up here. 1430 01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:37,530 Gee, it's been so long since I've had a piece of ass. 1431 01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:39,830 - The studios aren't so short of money 1432 01:04:39,830 --> 01:04:41,840 that they're throwing pictures into theaters 1433 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,680 now without enough advance publicity 1434 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,670 and one picture that got thrown in this way 1435 01:04:48,670 --> 01:04:52,490 about 10 days ago was a film called, "McCabe & Mrs. Miller" 1436 01:04:52,490 --> 01:04:54,750 that I think is a beautiful film 1437 01:04:54,750 --> 01:04:57,140 and I don't think the good reviews will 1438 01:04:57,140 --> 01:04:59,740 have time to catch up with it. 1439 01:04:59,740 --> 01:05:01,840 - You're the best looking woman I ever saw 1440 01:05:03,690 --> 01:05:05,596 and I ain't never tried to do nothing 1441 01:05:05,596 --> 01:05:08,013 but put a smile on your face. 1442 01:05:10,150 --> 01:05:13,240 - You have to feel your way into it and it takes a while, 1443 01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,650 but if you go with it, 1444 01:05:14,650 --> 01:05:17,410 I think the rewards are much richer. 1445 01:05:17,410 --> 01:05:21,370 Right now, it may die because of such strange things 1446 01:05:21,370 --> 01:05:23,650 as an attack by Rona Barrett 1447 01:05:23,650 --> 01:05:25,470 and an attack by Rex Reed. 1448 01:05:25,470 --> 01:05:28,070 Gossip columnists attacked it for obscenity. 1449 01:05:28,070 --> 01:05:30,630 People whose own livelihood is based 1450 01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:33,370 on prying into other people's affairs 1451 01:05:33,370 --> 01:05:38,370 are the first to defend American morality. 1452 01:05:39,570 --> 01:05:41,630 And I think in this case, Robert Altman has 1453 01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:43,560 done something really innovative, 1454 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,700 and I think it's the fact that his approach is different 1455 01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:48,613 that is throwing the press off. 1456 01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,230 Pictures like "Nashville", "The Long Goodbye", 1457 01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:54,160 and "McCabe & Mrs. Miller", 1458 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,710 nobody has ever made movies like those 1459 01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:59,350 with that kind of technique and perception, 1460 01:05:59,350 --> 01:06:01,910 and with that deep affection for people in them. 1461 01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:08,240 - [Narrator] I have never seen a movie 1462 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,120 I loved in quite this way. 1463 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,660 I sat there smiling at the screen in complete happiness. 1464 01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:15,870 We float while watching because Altman 1465 01:06:15,870 --> 01:06:17,603 never lets us see the sweat. 1466 01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:21,340 He can put unhappy characters on the screen 1467 01:06:21,340 --> 01:06:23,810 and you don't wish you didn't have to watch them. 1468 01:06:23,810 --> 01:06:26,573 You accept the unhappiness as a piece of the day. 1469 01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:30,950 For the viewer, "Nashville" is a constant 1470 01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:33,223 discovery of overlapping connections. 1471 01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:37,523 The picture says this is what America is and I'm part of it. 1472 01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:42,817 - You'd make a fine governor in this state. 1473 01:06:42,817 --> 01:06:44,220 - [Narrator] "Nashville" arrives at a time 1474 01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:46,470 when America is congratulating itself for 1475 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:48,270 having got rid of the bad guys who were 1476 01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:50,950 pulling the wool over people's eyes. 1477 01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:53,740 The movie says that it isn't only the politicians 1478 01:06:53,740 --> 01:06:55,120 who live the big lie. 1479 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,583 The big lie is something we're all capable of trying for. 1480 01:06:59,420 --> 01:07:01,320 - [Robert] Very few people had as much 1481 01:07:02,671 --> 01:07:05,050 influence in my life as Pauline had. 1482 01:07:05,050 --> 01:07:06,750 Whether she took a shot at me, 1483 01:07:06,750 --> 01:07:09,811 or whether she praised me, really was incidental. 1484 01:07:09,811 --> 01:07:11,260 (gun fires) 1485 01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:14,362 (crowd screaming) 1486 01:07:14,362 --> 01:07:16,435 (screaming) 1487 01:07:16,435 --> 01:07:18,890 (screaming) 1488 01:07:18,890 --> 01:07:22,150 - Horror films have reached this kind of rut. 1489 01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:23,570 I don't enjoy them anymore. 1490 01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:25,320 Partly that's because eight years of living 1491 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,540 in New York makes you so fearful and nervous anyway 1492 01:07:29,540 --> 01:07:32,560 that horror films just really scare the hell out of me. 1493 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,394 I can't stand them anymore. 1494 01:07:34,394 --> 01:07:37,561 (banging on the door) 1495 01:07:42,750 --> 01:07:44,410 I mean, I don't want anything to add 1496 01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:46,450 to the nightmare atmosphere of New York 1497 01:07:46,450 --> 01:07:48,610 where you're afraid you're not gonna make it home safe 1498 01:07:48,610 --> 01:07:50,810 anyway, particularly a middle-aged, dumpy, 1499 01:07:50,810 --> 01:07:54,704 little woman who's just perfect for somebody to knock over. 1500 01:07:54,704 --> 01:07:56,240 I haven't taken to sneakers yet. 1501 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,702 - [Interviewer] Oh, you're so vain. 1502 01:07:57,702 --> 01:07:58,710 (laughing) 1503 01:07:58,710 --> 01:08:00,500 - [Gina] In New York there's this oppressiveness. 1504 01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:02,310 This kind of claustrophobia. 1505 01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:04,530 Just always feeling surrounded by buildings. 1506 01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:08,210 But I think we both had some urges to get out. 1507 01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:10,970 - She bought her wonderful, huge house 1508 01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:13,560 in Great Barrington for not very much. 1509 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:17,430 She and Gina spent a long time refurbishing it. 1510 01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:19,870 She would come down to New York for a week 1511 01:08:19,870 --> 01:08:22,900 and then she would go back to Great Barrington for a week. 1512 01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:25,430 - [Narrator] I'm naturally gregarious as all hell. 1513 01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:27,370 Living in the country calms me down. 1514 01:08:27,370 --> 01:08:28,930 In the country I can have a house 1515 01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:30,140 and spread papers out, 1516 01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:31,700 I don't have to clear the work away 1517 01:08:31,700 --> 01:08:33,673 in order to set the table for dinner. 1518 01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,733 Everything seems simple when you get outside New York City. 1519 01:08:39,165 --> 01:08:40,294 (loud knocking) 1520 01:08:40,294 --> 01:08:41,127 - [Girl] Mother! 1521 01:08:41,127 --> 01:08:41,960 Mother! 1522 01:08:44,770 --> 01:08:46,890 - [Narrator] For many years, some of us alarmists 1523 01:08:46,890 --> 01:08:48,640 have been saying things like 1524 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,810 suppose people get used to constant visceral excitement 1525 01:08:51,810 --> 01:08:54,570 will they still respond to the work of artists? 1526 01:08:54,570 --> 01:08:56,270 How can people who have been pummeled 1527 01:08:56,270 --> 01:08:59,943 and deafened be expected to respond to a quiet picture? 1528 01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:03,240 Hits like "The Exorcist" give most of the audience 1529 01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,960 just what it wants and expects. 1530 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,300 The way hardcore porn does. 1531 01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:11,030 The hits have something in common blatancy. 1532 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:13,260 They are films that deliver. 1533 01:09:13,260 --> 01:09:15,842 - I think Pauline Kael, for example, needs an enema. 1534 01:09:15,842 --> 01:09:18,187 (audience laughing) 1535 01:09:18,187 --> 01:09:20,658 - I did not read her review, did she-- 1536 01:09:20,658 --> 01:09:24,210 - Her review is, her reviews always are so full 1537 01:09:24,210 --> 01:09:28,890 of personal poison attacks upon the makers of films. 1538 01:09:28,890 --> 01:09:30,030 What do you say about a woman 1539 01:09:30,030 --> 01:09:33,720 who thinks that "Psycho" was a playful film. 1540 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,060 I mean, this is a serious study for psychiatrists, I think. 1541 01:09:38,060 --> 01:09:40,660 - [Interviewer] Do men in film take your criticism 1542 01:09:40,660 --> 01:09:43,549 as though it had been aimed at crouch level? 1543 01:09:43,549 --> 01:09:44,830 - Sometimes they do. 1544 01:09:44,830 --> 01:09:48,020 I think Mailer did on my review of his book. 1545 01:09:48,020 --> 01:09:50,450 He reacted as if I were some sort of cat 1546 01:09:50,450 --> 01:09:52,550 waiting to scratch him. 1547 01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:55,110 - Pauline Kael said it was a rip-off with genius. 1548 01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:56,423 Which I considered about as attractive as 1549 01:09:56,423 --> 01:09:59,260 most of the things that Pauline says 1550 01:09:59,260 --> 01:10:02,053 but I couldn't take true offense 'cause after all 1551 01:10:02,053 --> 01:10:03,531 I had once called her Lady Vinegar. 1552 01:10:03,531 --> 01:10:04,986 (audience laughing) 1553 01:10:04,986 --> 01:10:07,410 And I also did call her the first 1554 01:10:07,410 --> 01:10:09,590 frigid of the film critics. 1555 01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:10,423 - [Dick] That's right. 1556 01:10:10,423 --> 01:10:12,010 Aren't you ashamed of the way you talk? 1557 01:10:12,010 --> 01:10:14,240 - No, 'cause I knew she was gonna call me a bum, 1558 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,640 and arrogant, and cold-blooded, and a liar. 1559 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,365 - You couldn't have known that ahead of time. 1560 01:10:18,365 --> 01:10:19,198 - [Norman] Of course, I would. 1561 01:10:19,198 --> 01:10:21,470 - How, do you have clairvoyance? 1562 01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:23,243 - Well, I know Pauline. 1563 01:10:24,834 --> 01:10:27,470 - And I don't go to the publicity shebangs 1564 01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:29,040 where stars will be 1565 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,710 so the people I do meet are the ones 1566 01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:35,384 who call me after my reviews are out and want to talk. 1567 01:10:35,384 --> 01:10:38,196 I mean, actors, directors, writers. 1568 01:10:38,196 --> 01:10:41,113 (soft piano music) 1569 01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:48,040 - [Steven] 1,000 reviews later you are 1570 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,337 the only writer who understood "Jaws". 1571 01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:56,790 - [Jessica] Perhaps you can understand how anxiously 1572 01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:58,830 I awaited your review of "King Kong". 1573 01:10:58,830 --> 01:11:01,930 I will always treasure your kind words. 1574 01:11:01,930 --> 01:11:03,740 - [Carol] I just want you to know your 1575 01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:05,430 review was on the nose. 1576 01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:07,850 I'm grateful for your support. 1577 01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:09,650 - [George Roy Hill] Listen you miserable bitch. 1578 01:11:09,650 --> 01:11:11,510 You didn't like the sound say so 1579 01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:13,170 but cut out that bullshit about how you 1580 01:11:13,170 --> 01:11:15,693 know where it was done and where it was made. 1581 01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:19,310 - [Gregory] You may well have cost me good roles 1582 01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:22,320 during the productive years of my career. 1583 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,420 I suppose one day we shall meet. 1584 01:11:24,420 --> 01:11:27,150 We may have a civil exchange, or not. 1585 01:11:27,150 --> 01:11:29,453 I will make that determination. 1586 01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:32,030 - [Marlene] Dear Miss Kael, 1587 01:11:32,030 --> 01:11:35,630 please help me to receive The New Yorker here in Paris. 1588 01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:38,803 I am quite lost without your opinions on films. 1589 01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:43,200 - [Kevin] Sorry, you didn't find "Footloose" more enjoyable. 1590 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,000 I hope you like the next one better. 1591 01:11:45,902 --> 01:11:48,950 - [Woody] Nobody does a labor of love the way you do. 1592 01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:50,833 Hope we can get together for lunch. 1593 01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:55,330 - If a director had completed and he wanted her to see it, 1594 01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:57,870 this is after she had stopped working, 1595 01:11:57,870 --> 01:12:00,180 he would send it out to Great Barrington 1596 01:12:00,180 --> 01:12:01,583 to be screened for her. 1597 01:12:03,490 --> 01:12:05,120 - She was very generous. 1598 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,043 She was probably one of the most generous persons 1599 01:12:07,043 --> 01:12:09,870 I've ever known with young people, 1600 01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:12,220 people she wanted to encourage. 1601 01:12:12,220 --> 01:12:14,570 - [Gina] When she read something that she liked, 1602 01:12:14,570 --> 01:12:17,550 she would immediately pick up the phone 1603 01:12:17,550 --> 01:12:21,000 and try to track down the author to let them know. 1604 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,730 It was a very generous impulse on her part. 1605 01:12:23,730 --> 01:12:26,700 Though it has come to seem, to some people, 1606 01:12:26,700 --> 01:12:29,200 controlling and masterminding. 1607 01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,810 But I think she knew how hard it could be 1608 01:12:31,810 --> 01:12:35,149 to make a living and to get published. 1609 01:12:35,149 --> 01:12:37,130 (tires screeching) 1610 01:12:37,130 --> 01:12:39,640 - I got published in Film Comment because 1611 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,270 she encouraged me to send a piece there. 1612 01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:45,210 She had read it and helped me to shape it, 1613 01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:46,323 and she called the editor. 1614 01:12:46,323 --> 01:12:48,540 I said yes please, thank Pauline for me 1615 01:12:48,540 --> 01:12:51,000 and send it in and he published it. 1616 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,540 When it came out, it was a surprise to everyone 1617 01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:56,830 and Pauline had made copies of the essay 1618 01:12:56,830 --> 01:12:58,230 and anybody who came through the door 1619 01:12:58,230 --> 01:12:59,250 she would give them copies. 1620 01:12:59,250 --> 01:13:01,230 She liked to really promote her friends 1621 01:13:01,230 --> 01:13:03,093 and people who she liked. 1622 01:13:04,206 --> 01:13:07,410 - And she made a valiant effort to wade 1623 01:13:07,410 --> 01:13:11,340 through enormous quantities of material. 1624 01:13:11,340 --> 01:13:16,120 Of letters, of screenplays, of stories and novels 1625 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,420 that were sent to her over the years. 1626 01:13:18,420 --> 01:13:21,340 And if she said she would do something, 1627 01:13:21,340 --> 01:13:22,850 she always did it. 1628 01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:23,683 - [Interviewer] Would you go with her 1629 01:13:23,683 --> 01:13:25,710 to see one of your own movies? 1630 01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:26,860 - I would, sure, oh sure. 1631 01:13:26,860 --> 01:13:30,360 We've agreed and disagreed on my own movies 1632 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,740 as well as other films. 1633 01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:33,700 Sure, I would. 1634 01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:35,370 - [Narrator] Woody Allen appears before us 1635 01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:38,160 as the battered adolescent scarred forever, 1636 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,300 a little too nice and much too threatened 1637 01:13:40,300 --> 01:13:42,900 to allow himself to be aggressive. 1638 01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:45,520 He has the city-wise effrontery of a shrimp 1639 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,090 who began by using language to protect himself 1640 01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:50,610 and then discovered that language has a life of its own. 1641 01:13:50,610 --> 01:13:52,080 - I'm a philosophy major. 1642 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,924 - [Woody] Are you, that's a wonderful subject. 1643 01:13:53,924 --> 01:13:54,757 - Yeah, yeah. 1644 01:13:54,757 --> 01:13:56,067 - That's a wonderful thing. 1645 01:13:56,067 --> 01:13:56,900 What is the meaning of life and death 1646 01:13:56,900 --> 01:13:57,840 and why are we here and everything. 1647 01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,700 And you like Chinese food? 1648 01:13:59,700 --> 01:14:01,240 - [Narrator] We felt if we stuck with him 1649 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:02,683 failure could succeed. 1650 01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:05,410 - All I'm doing when I make a film 1651 01:14:05,410 --> 01:14:08,050 is try and make a film that I think is funny. 1652 01:14:08,050 --> 01:14:11,660 About subjects that interest me personally. 1653 01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:15,010 - I think his comic character is enormously appealing 1654 01:14:15,010 --> 01:14:20,010 to people partly because he's the smart, urban guy 1655 01:14:20,230 --> 01:14:24,440 who at the same is intelligent, is vulnerable, 1656 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:27,670 and somehow by his intelligence he triumphs. 1657 01:14:27,670 --> 01:14:28,647 - What do you want me to say? 1658 01:14:28,647 --> 01:14:30,530 I don't want to make funny movies anymore. 1659 01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:32,100 They can't force me to. 1660 01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:33,730 - [Narrator] In "Stardust Memories" 1661 01:14:33,730 --> 01:14:36,100 Woody Allen degrades the people who respond 1662 01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:39,230 to his work and presents himself as their victim. 1663 01:14:39,230 --> 01:14:41,540 These pushy fans who treat him in such 1664 01:14:41,540 --> 01:14:44,570 an over familiar way are gross or big-nosed 1665 01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:46,930 and have funny Jewish names. 1666 01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:49,200 - I especially like your early funny ones. 1667 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,730 - [Narrator] They're turned into their noses. 1668 01:14:50,730 --> 01:14:53,490 They leer into the lens shoving 1669 01:14:53,490 --> 01:14:55,688 their snouts at Sandy Bates. 1670 01:14:55,688 --> 01:14:56,521 - This is my friend Libby. 1671 01:14:56,521 --> 01:14:57,540 She thinks you're a genius. 1672 01:14:57,540 --> 01:14:59,260 - [Narrator] If Woody Allen finds success 1673 01:14:59,260 --> 01:15:02,520 very upsetting and wishes the public would go away, 1674 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,133 this picture should stop him worrying. 1675 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,360 - She was hard on him. 1676 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:13,240 He had a distrust of some of his own gifts at his peak 1677 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,840 and she felt he was moving in the wrong direction, 1678 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,770 and she wrote about it. 1679 01:15:17,770 --> 01:15:22,770 - I cannot just make films that will appeal to everybody. 1680 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:24,950 I make films that appeal to me 1681 01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:26,690 and hope everybody will like them. 1682 01:15:26,690 --> 01:15:28,870 And I will not compromise. 1683 01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:32,090 That's why when I spend that long on a film 1684 01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:35,160 and I get blasted, it hurts. 1685 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,490 I can't deny it but from some people it hurts 1686 01:15:37,490 --> 01:15:38,800 and from some people it doesn't. 1687 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:39,783 There are critics that if they blast me 1688 01:15:39,783 --> 01:15:41,970 I couldn't care less, such as Pauline Kael. 1689 01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:43,833 I couldn't care less whether she blasts me or not. 1690 01:15:43,833 --> 01:15:44,666 - [Interviewer] Why not? 1691 01:15:44,666 --> 01:15:46,670 - Because she's totally a subjective reviewer 1692 01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:49,410 and she, many years ago, wanted to see Gatsby 1693 01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:51,180 and her time, 1694 01:15:51,180 --> 01:15:52,840 they split at The New Yorker, 1695 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,610 it ends March 15th. 1696 01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:57,060 Penelope Gilliatt reviews for six months and Pauline. 1697 01:15:57,060 --> 01:15:59,157 And Gatsby was opening March 14th, 1698 01:15:59,157 --> 01:16:01,030 and I refused to let her see the picture 1699 01:16:01,030 --> 01:16:02,570 so Penelope could review it. 1700 01:16:02,570 --> 01:16:04,740 At least I thought I would get a more honest call. 1701 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:07,320 And it killed her, she was furious. 1702 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,210 That was one picture she wanted close her season out with, 1703 01:16:09,210 --> 01:16:11,060 I didn't let her do it. 1704 01:16:11,060 --> 01:16:13,060 - [Francis] Yes, I did meet her a couple of times 1705 01:16:13,060 --> 01:16:15,960 before I tried to make "Apocalypse Now", 1706 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,050 and I remember very, very vividly that she 1707 01:16:19,050 --> 01:16:24,050 warned me to not use the Wagner "Ride of the Valkyries" 1708 01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:26,750 for the helicopter battle because 1709 01:16:26,750 --> 01:16:30,097 it had been used also in Lina Wertmuller's film 1710 01:16:30,097 --> 01:16:31,430 "Seven Beauties", 1711 01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:35,100 and she said that it was so effective in that 1712 01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:36,670 that you'd be making a big mistake 1713 01:16:36,670 --> 01:16:38,510 to use it because people just whenever 1714 01:16:38,510 --> 01:16:41,400 they saw it they would refer to "Seven Beauties". 1715 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:46,200 And I said, I don't know maybe but it depends. 1716 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,790 If it works as planned then when they 1717 01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:51,798 think of it they'll think of "Apocalypse Now". 1718 01:16:51,798 --> 01:16:54,270 ("Ride of the Valkyries" by Richard Wagner) 1719 01:16:54,270 --> 01:16:56,530 - [Narrator] Part of the widespread anticipation 1720 01:16:56,530 --> 01:16:59,980 was, I think, our readiness for a visionary, 1721 01:16:59,980 --> 01:17:02,123 climactic summing up movie. 1722 01:17:03,090 --> 01:17:05,900 We felt that the terrible rehash of pop culture 1723 01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:08,090 couldn't go on, mustn't go on 1724 01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:10,800 that something new was needed. 1725 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,863 Coppola must've felt that too but he couldn't supply it. 1726 01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:16,620 His film was posited on great 1727 01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:18,283 thoughts arriving at the end. 1728 01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:22,280 - Horror has a face 1729 01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:27,430 and you must make a friend of horror. 1730 01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:30,240 - [Narrator] A confrontation and a revelation. 1731 01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,680 Trying to say something big, Coppola got tied up 1732 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,500 in a big knot of American self-hatred and guilt 1733 01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:39,590 and what the picture boiled down to was 1734 01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:41,313 white man, he devil. 1735 01:17:42,910 --> 01:17:45,363 - [Bill] I love the smell of napalm in the morning. 1736 01:17:48,460 --> 01:17:49,810 - [Lili] It was always mysterious to me 1737 01:17:49,810 --> 01:17:51,230 that episode in her life. 1738 01:17:51,230 --> 01:17:55,260 In 1979 she leaves The New Yorker to go to Hollywood 1739 01:17:55,260 --> 01:17:57,160 and it's at the behest of Warren Beatty 1740 01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,097 and it's to produce "Love & Money" 1741 01:17:59,097 --> 01:18:01,430 the second feature of Jim Toback. 1742 01:18:01,430 --> 01:18:05,500 - [Pauline] I agreed to do a series of movies for Beatty, 1743 01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:08,820 and the first one will probably be a film 1744 01:18:08,820 --> 01:18:11,120 that I've had a hand in writing. 1745 01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,490 - She left off reviewing for a while 1746 01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:16,560 to work on the production side of the movie business 1747 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,710 with Warren Beatty and with Paramount Pictures. 1748 01:18:18,710 --> 01:18:20,570 - What happened was I was facing another 1749 01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:22,950 six months off from The New Yorker 1750 01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:26,336 and I'd become a little fed up with 1751 01:18:26,336 --> 01:18:29,603 the weekly reviewing because the pictures were so bad. 1752 01:18:31,324 --> 01:18:33,500 (screaming) 1753 01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:36,270 - Warren Beatty, a rather sly fox, 1754 01:18:36,270 --> 01:18:39,960 literally paid for her and was putting her up in an office. 1755 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,167 - [Man] And she was a virgin who 1756 01:18:42,167 --> 01:18:44,480 was very happy to be seduced. 1757 01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:46,640 - And also, she was never getting paid 1758 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,150 a living wage by The New Yorker. 1759 01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:50,930 - You have to be willing to smash heads together. 1760 01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:53,620 You have to be willing to argue everyday 1761 01:18:53,620 --> 01:18:54,850 to get things right. 1762 01:18:54,850 --> 01:18:57,156 And I saw that it was going to be months 1763 01:18:57,156 --> 01:18:59,890 of fighting ahead of me. 1764 01:18:59,890 --> 01:19:03,090 - [Woman] She thought her role with Warren 1765 01:19:03,090 --> 01:19:05,530 was going to be different than it was 1766 01:19:05,530 --> 01:19:09,120 and I think she felt that she couldn't be a free person. 1767 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,380 - I withdrew before the picture got into production 1768 01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:14,303 and turned to consulting instead. 1769 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,710 - And she'd be reporting to Head of Production 1770 01:19:19,710 --> 01:19:21,560 Don Simpson. 1771 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,173 Nobody embodies the 80s more than Don Simpson. 1772 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:27,650 Movies that you can sell with a tagline 1773 01:19:27,650 --> 01:19:29,520 that look like rock videos. 1774 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,380 - [Woman] That's pretty crazy. 1775 01:19:30,380 --> 01:19:32,180 If they put her together with Don Simpson, 1776 01:19:32,180 --> 01:19:34,010 they wanted her to fail. 1777 01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:35,140 - I don't think he was gonna let anything 1778 01:19:35,140 --> 01:19:36,890 she suggested get through. 1779 01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:38,800 Except for David Lynch's "Elephant Man". 1780 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,873 - Mr. Treves, why do you help me? 1781 01:19:43,770 --> 01:19:45,060 - [Man] I think she was instrumental 1782 01:19:45,060 --> 01:19:46,900 in getting that up and going. 1783 01:19:46,900 --> 01:19:48,690 She was a huge fan of David Lynch. 1784 01:19:48,690 --> 01:19:51,730 - She kept saying that she missed writing. 1785 01:19:51,730 --> 01:19:53,200 - She was unhappy. 1786 01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:58,200 - I just still look back on that with admiration. 1787 01:19:59,300 --> 01:20:02,833 She took a flyer, and she took a real chance. 1788 01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:06,440 - I guess it was July 1980 1789 01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:09,840 because I remember it being incredibly hot, 1790 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,980 I remember having read a Renata Adler piece 1791 01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:16,790 in The New York Review of Books that was 1792 01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:20,750 a surgical strike on Pauline. 1793 01:20:20,750 --> 01:20:22,293 - She took it very hard. 1794 01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:25,380 It was a very hard piece. 1795 01:20:25,380 --> 01:20:28,340 - [Renata] It is to my surprise, not simply jarringly 1796 01:20:28,340 --> 01:20:31,860 line by line without interruption, worthless. 1797 01:20:31,860 --> 01:20:34,490 It turns out to embody something appalling 1798 01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:36,310 and widespread in the culture. 1799 01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:40,310 She seems, at times, to have a form of prose hypochondria, 1800 01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:43,800 palpating herself all over to see if she has a thought 1801 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,130 and publishing every word of the process 1802 01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:49,550 by which she checks to see whether or not she has one. 1803 01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:52,970 It is also equally true that she can hardly 1804 01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:57,573 resist any form of hyperbole, superlative, exaggeration. 1805 01:21:01,130 --> 01:21:05,140 She has, in principle, four things she likes. 1806 01:21:05,140 --> 01:21:06,880 Versions of horror, 1807 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,350 physical violence depicted in explicit detail, 1808 01:21:10,350 --> 01:21:13,720 sex scenes, so long as they have an ingredient of cruelty 1809 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,400 and involve partners who know each other casually 1810 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,730 or under perverse circumstances, 1811 01:21:18,730 --> 01:21:21,750 and fantasies of invasion or subjugation 1812 01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:26,750 of or by apes, pods, teens, body snatchers, 1813 01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:29,530 and extra terrestrials. 1814 01:21:29,530 --> 01:21:33,033 The pervasive overbearing and presumptuous V. 1815 01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:35,900 The intrusive U. 1816 01:21:35,900 --> 01:21:36,920 The questions, 1817 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,690 the debased note of righteousness. 1818 01:21:39,690 --> 01:21:41,060 - Hey! 1819 01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:42,940 - [Renata] The whole verbal apparatus 1820 01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:47,540 promotes and relies upon the incapacity to read. 1821 01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:50,490 The writing falls somewhere between huckster copy 1822 01:21:50,490 --> 01:21:52,500 and ideological pamphleteering. 1823 01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:54,130 - My life has value! 1824 01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:57,400 - [Renata] Denouncing exhortations, code words, 1825 01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:01,220 excommunications, programs, threats. 1826 01:22:01,220 --> 01:22:03,470 - I know what you're thinking. 1827 01:22:03,470 --> 01:22:06,070 - I felt that Renata Adler was being a little mean. 1828 01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:08,350 - Who is really out of touch, Renata or Pauline? 1829 01:22:08,350 --> 01:22:11,640 - She was trying to out Pauline Kael Pauline Kael. 1830 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,920 - [Pauline] There are a lot of purists like Renata Adler 1831 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,300 on The New York Times now who says 1832 01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:18,290 the critic's role is not propaganda. 1833 01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:20,010 Well, I think she's basically mistaken. 1834 01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:22,970 Every good critic has always been a propagandist. 1835 01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:24,560 There's no other way to play the game. 1836 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,100 - She did not respond in print. 1837 01:22:27,100 --> 01:22:30,203 She did not reply or refer to it ever. 1838 01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:33,520 - She rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. 1839 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,920 They want somehow to believe that she was a bad person 1840 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,620 not simply that she was a critic that they 1841 01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:41,950 really disagreed with. 1842 01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:44,690 But there was something morally and ethically 1843 01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:46,350 corrupt about her. 1844 01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:48,080 - [Ridley] I'm still angry. 1845 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,750 That she destroyed the film in three and a half 1846 01:22:50,750 --> 01:22:55,070 full pages of The New Yorker without mercy. 1847 01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:56,856 And I think, you know what, I'll never read 1848 01:22:56,856 --> 01:22:59,190 another piece of criticism about me. 1849 01:22:59,190 --> 01:23:01,300 I've never read press since. 1850 01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:03,750 She was so fucking wrong. 1851 01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:05,110 She was wrong to do that. 1852 01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:10,110 Also, what's wrong about critique is I can't reply. 1853 01:23:13,030 --> 01:23:17,030 - Yeah, she was famous for lying in wait on her reviews. 1854 01:23:17,030 --> 01:23:18,080 She never really wanted to be 1855 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,670 the first one out for something. 1856 01:23:19,670 --> 01:23:23,960 She'd sit back and figure out which way 1857 01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,140 the reviews are gonna go and then she'd 1858 01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:29,043 find a weakness and angle and go right in at it. 1859 01:23:34,017 --> 01:23:37,500 - "Shoah" came out and it was a nine-hour movie 1860 01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:40,230 about the German death camps 1861 01:23:40,230 --> 01:23:42,420 and it got a lot of press. 1862 01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:44,323 It was very impressive in many ways. 1863 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,700 - And the final solution you see is really final 1864 01:23:50,700 --> 01:23:54,360 because people who are converted can yet be 1865 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,033 in secret Jews. 1866 01:23:56,890 --> 01:24:00,153 People who are expelled can yet return. 1867 01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,993 But people who are dead will not reappear. 1868 01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:08,460 - She happened to be out in San Francisco 1869 01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:10,340 to give a lecture, I believe, 1870 01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:12,520 and I saw her after the lecture, 1871 01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,240 and she was fit to be tied. 1872 01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,770 She was quivering. 1873 01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:16,860 Pauline quivered a lot. 1874 01:24:16,860 --> 01:24:20,100 She said, Shawn is holding my "Shoah" review. 1875 01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:22,000 And she was very, very angry. 1876 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,180 He was freaked out about it 1877 01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:28,015 because Pauline really had disliked the movie. 1878 01:24:28,015 --> 01:24:30,890 She didn't think it was a good piece of filmmaking. 1879 01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:33,330 - [Narrator] Claude Lanzmann's nine-hour documentary 1880 01:24:33,330 --> 01:24:36,220 epic, "Shoah", is made up of interviews with people 1881 01:24:36,220 --> 01:24:39,460 who have knowledge of the Nazi extermination. 1882 01:24:39,460 --> 01:24:42,370 I ask the forbearance of readers for a dissenting view 1883 01:24:42,370 --> 01:24:45,870 of a film that is widely regarded as a masterpiece. 1884 01:24:45,870 --> 01:24:49,367 I found "Shoah" exhausting right from the start. 1885 01:24:49,367 --> 01:24:53,450 (speaking in a foreign language) 1886 01:24:54,727 --> 01:24:56,730 - There was uniform praise for this film. 1887 01:24:56,730 --> 01:24:58,370 People reviewed it on their knees. 1888 01:24:58,370 --> 01:25:00,410 - The greatest use of film I've ever seen 1889 01:25:00,410 --> 01:25:02,227 in the sense of the good that it does. 1890 01:25:02,227 --> 01:25:03,780 - There, I agree with you Gene. 1891 01:25:03,780 --> 01:25:06,020 - And it was great that there was somebody who 1892 01:25:06,020 --> 01:25:08,450 was looking for something different in documentary. 1893 01:25:08,450 --> 01:25:11,050 - And she didn't feel that she was wrong 1894 01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:12,800 or that she had made a mistake. 1895 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,290 - In her essential argument, in her "Shoah" piece, 1896 01:25:15,290 --> 01:25:17,500 that a movie's subject matter doesn't 1897 01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:19,070 make it sacrosanct, right? 1898 01:25:19,070 --> 01:25:20,950 It's not outside the bounds of criticism. 1899 01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:23,020 - When she said it, I disagreed 1900 01:25:23,020 --> 01:25:24,610 with certain things she said. 1901 01:25:24,610 --> 01:25:26,730 - [Narrator] Sitting on a theater seat for a film 1902 01:25:26,730 --> 01:25:28,760 as full of dead space is as this one 1903 01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,440 seems to me a form of self punishment. 1904 01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:33,840 - Okay, it was a little insensitive. 1905 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,430 - [Narrator] Lanzmann is not very fussy 1906 01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:37,010 about the subjects. 1907 01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:39,560 In some of the passages he seems to be conducting 1908 01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,070 the interviews at Woody Allen's 1909 01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:43,230 convention of village idiots. 1910 01:25:43,230 --> 01:25:45,870 But what doesn't seem valid is the significance 1911 01:25:45,870 --> 01:25:48,040 that the film confers on them. 1912 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,850 The lack of moral complexity in Lanzmann's approach 1913 01:25:50,850 --> 01:25:52,713 keeps it from being great. 1914 01:25:53,610 --> 01:25:57,383 The film is exhausting to watch because it closes your mind. 1915 01:25:58,490 --> 01:26:02,020 - The outcry, I thought, was mystifying. 1916 01:26:02,020 --> 01:26:04,180 - [Craig] There were attacks by Jim Hoberman. 1917 01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:08,070 Hoberman actually used the word antisemitism. 1918 01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:09,850 - [Lili] She got a lot grief for that review 1919 01:26:09,850 --> 01:26:12,620 and I think she was called a self-hating Jew. 1920 01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:14,990 - [Craig] And the attacks were really unfortunate. 1921 01:26:14,990 --> 01:26:16,170 - [Lili] You know, and I loved that review. 1922 01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:17,980 She refused to be intimidated. 1923 01:26:17,980 --> 01:26:19,250 I mean, she wasn't gonna back down 1924 01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:21,400 because this was a movie about the Holocaust. 1925 01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,350 - Well, what else does a critic work with, 1926 01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:25,240 if he's honest, but his own response. 1927 01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,130 The other thing is academic opinion 1928 01:26:27,130 --> 01:26:28,730 or consensus opinion 1929 01:26:28,730 --> 01:26:30,910 which means letting other people tell you what you think 1930 01:26:30,910 --> 01:26:32,350 which means you're a damn fool 1931 01:26:32,350 --> 01:26:34,433 and serve no purpose whatsoever. 1932 01:26:41,730 --> 01:26:44,500 - I think if I had to choose one favorite 1933 01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:46,250 Pauline Kael review it would be her 1934 01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:49,670 review of Brian De Palma's "Casualties of War". 1935 01:26:49,670 --> 01:26:51,400 Pauline saw it. 1936 01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,140 She came out for it in this way that was 1937 01:26:55,140 --> 01:26:59,973 very bold and definitive and passionate. 1938 01:27:00,820 --> 01:27:02,300 - [Narrator] This new film is the kind 1939 01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:04,160 that makes you feel protective. 1940 01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:05,730 When you leave the theater you'll probably 1941 01:27:05,730 --> 01:27:07,810 find that you're not ready to talk about it. 1942 01:27:07,810 --> 01:27:10,540 You may also find it hard to talk about anything. 1943 01:27:10,540 --> 01:27:15,540 - She approached it in this really intensely human way. 1944 01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:18,620 That's what she was about at her best. 1945 01:27:18,620 --> 01:27:20,310 - [Narrator] We in the audience are put 1946 01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:21,860 in the man's position. 1947 01:27:21,860 --> 01:27:25,550 We're made to feel the awfulness of being ineffectual. 1948 01:27:25,550 --> 01:27:29,218 This lifelike defeat is central to the movie. 1949 01:27:29,218 --> 01:27:31,860 One hot day on my first trip to New York City, 1950 01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:34,830 I walked passed a group of men on a tenement stoop. 1951 01:27:34,830 --> 01:27:37,420 One of them in a sweaty, sleeveless T-shirt 1952 01:27:37,420 --> 01:27:40,700 stood shouting at a screaming, weeping little boy 1953 01:27:40,700 --> 01:27:41,677 perhaps eight months old. 1954 01:27:41,677 --> 01:27:42,510 - Ha, ha! 1955 01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:45,170 - [Narrator] The man must've caught a glimpse 1956 01:27:45,170 --> 01:27:47,157 of my stricken face because he called out, 1957 01:27:47,157 --> 01:27:48,627 "You don't like it, lady?! 1958 01:27:48,627 --> 01:27:49,950 "Then how do you like this?!" 1959 01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:52,590 And he picked up a bottle of pink soda pop 1960 01:27:52,590 --> 01:27:55,870 from the sidewalk and poured it on the baby's head. 1961 01:27:55,870 --> 01:27:58,330 Wailing sounds much louder than before 1962 01:27:58,330 --> 01:28:00,770 followed me down the street. 1963 01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:04,610 What makes the movie so eerily affecting? 1964 01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:07,050 Possibly it's the girl's last moment of life. 1965 01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:10,357 The needle-sharp presentation of her frailty and strength 1966 01:28:10,357 --> 01:28:12,900 and how they intertwine. 1967 01:28:12,900 --> 01:28:14,980 When she falls to her death, 1968 01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:18,770 the image is otherworldly, lacerating. 1969 01:28:18,770 --> 01:28:20,797 It's the supreme violation. 1970 01:28:20,797 --> 01:28:23,610 (guns firing rapidly) 1971 01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:27,763 I hear that baby's cries after almost 50 years. 1972 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,070 - It's an interesting question to think about how 1973 01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:44,970 her work would be received today in the critical community 1974 01:28:44,970 --> 01:28:46,850 in so far as it exists. 1975 01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:48,980 First of all, it's been fragmented, 1976 01:28:48,980 --> 01:28:51,390 as everything else has been, by the internet 1977 01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:54,510 so people are weighing in every different way 1978 01:28:54,510 --> 01:28:55,940 from every different angle. 1979 01:28:55,940 --> 01:28:58,950 - There's a strange feeling that everything's available 1980 01:28:58,950 --> 01:29:00,930 which then weirdly leads to the feeling 1981 01:29:00,930 --> 01:29:03,520 that you don't really pay attention to anything. 1982 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:04,820 - [Daniel] Nobody, I think, 1983 01:29:04,820 --> 01:29:07,050 could hold down centerfield 1984 01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:10,120 so to speak, the way that she did. 1985 01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,100 Even The New Yorker is not as culturally 1986 01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:13,930 central as it used to be. 1987 01:29:13,930 --> 01:29:14,980 It can't be. 1988 01:29:14,980 --> 01:29:17,730 - Yet more proof that video games don't translate well. 1989 01:29:19,170 --> 01:29:20,631 - I am Andre and this is my-- 1990 01:29:20,631 --> 01:29:21,911 - Hello. 1991 01:29:21,911 --> 01:29:24,661 (people talking) 1992 01:29:28,237 --> 01:29:30,190 - [Michael] People just hit Rotten Tomatoes 1993 01:29:30,190 --> 01:29:32,803 and they'll see some compilation of critics maybe. 1994 01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:37,250 - I always think that she would've been great 1995 01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:40,040 in this era because she could write these really 1996 01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,281 short descriptions of movies that 1997 01:29:42,281 --> 01:29:44,220 were stripped to their atomic weight, 1998 01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:45,337 but told you everything that 1999 01:29:45,337 --> 01:29:46,987 you wanted to know about a movie. 2000 01:29:49,441 --> 01:29:52,024 (upbeat music) 2001 01:29:59,550 --> 01:30:02,310 - [Pauline] I shall always be grateful to Stanley Kramer 2002 01:30:02,310 --> 01:30:04,670 for either intentionally or unintentionally 2003 01:30:04,670 --> 01:30:07,662 including that beautiful moment when Gregory Peck, 2004 01:30:07,662 --> 01:30:10,920 after spurning Ava Gardner's advances, 2005 01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,972 returns to find her in a wheat field 2006 01:30:12,972 --> 01:30:14,520 and asks-- 2007 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:15,690 - Is your invitation to spread 2008 01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:17,293 a little fertilizer still open? 2009 01:30:18,340 --> 01:30:21,950 - Without critics you have nothing but advertisers. 2010 01:30:21,950 --> 01:30:23,800 So, it's the job of a critic, 2011 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,290 in terms of a social function, 2012 01:30:26,290 --> 01:30:29,790 to try to alert people and interest them in anything 2013 01:30:29,790 --> 01:30:31,810 that's really new or innovative, 2014 01:30:31,810 --> 01:30:34,520 that spells the future of an art form. 2015 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,510 Because without a few critics doing that, 2016 01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:40,270 the advertisers will keep everything stagnant 2017 01:30:40,270 --> 01:30:42,250 because if they can sell anything, 2018 01:30:42,250 --> 01:30:44,760 if there are no dissenting voices, 2019 01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,020 movies will not advance in any way. 2020 01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:50,290 - Critics are forced to mute their criticisms 2021 01:30:50,290 --> 01:30:53,427 of the goose that lays the golden egg in the movie business. 2022 01:30:53,427 --> 01:30:56,291 And there's very few critics who have the guts 2023 01:30:56,291 --> 01:31:00,300 and have the conviction and have the ethic 2024 01:31:00,300 --> 01:31:03,110 to go out there and write an honest review of a bad movie. 2025 01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:04,873 'Cause the business has sent you a signal 2026 01:31:04,873 --> 01:31:06,853 just don't say anything bad. 2027 01:31:12,561 --> 01:31:15,662 - [Child] What was your favorite movie your entire life? 2028 01:31:15,662 --> 01:31:17,162 - [Pauline] In my entire life? 2029 01:31:18,610 --> 01:31:23,610 Well, there's a French movie, "Menilmontant". 2030 01:31:23,921 --> 01:31:26,721 It was a silent movie by Kirsanoff. 2031 01:31:26,721 --> 01:31:29,054 I was absolutely mad for it. 2032 01:31:30,891 --> 01:31:33,902 - [Child] What is your favorite treasures? 2033 01:31:33,902 --> 01:31:37,303 - [Pauline] My daughter and my grandson. 2034 01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:42,570 - [Child] What was your favorite time of your life? 2035 01:31:43,620 --> 01:31:44,953 - [Pauline] Now. 2036 01:31:49,690 --> 01:31:51,350 And that week when I quit 2037 01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:53,200 I hadn't planned on it, 2038 01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,760 but I wrote up a couple of movies 2039 01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,200 and I read what I'd written 2040 01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,003 and I was so discouraged. 2041 01:32:01,730 --> 01:32:05,510 It's very hard to have so much emotional investment 2042 01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:08,870 in praising people that when you have 2043 01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:11,810 to pan the same people a few years later 2044 01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:14,863 it really tears your spirits apart. 2045 01:32:15,980 --> 01:32:18,673 And I thought I've got nothing to share from this. 2046 01:32:26,490 --> 01:32:28,910 - When she retired from The New Yorker, 2047 01:32:28,910 --> 01:32:32,300 I, of course, wrote about it as though 2048 01:32:32,300 --> 01:32:34,153 the athlete had hung up his number. 2049 01:32:35,790 --> 01:32:37,740 - [Pauline] I think we're getting too much noise. 2050 01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:39,319 Let me see if I can control 2051 01:32:39,319 --> 01:32:42,923 my Parkinson's hand better, just a minute. 2052 01:32:54,330 --> 01:32:57,010 - [Gina] Pauline expressed an almost child-like naivete 2053 01:32:57,010 --> 01:33:00,860 and hopefulness that her health would have to get better 2054 01:33:00,860 --> 01:33:04,160 and even when it did seem impossible to her 2055 01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,730 that movies would also somehow get better. 2056 01:33:06,730 --> 01:33:09,670 (people laughing) 2057 01:33:09,670 --> 01:33:12,690 - [Craig] She was funny and lethal right up to the end. 2058 01:33:12,690 --> 01:33:14,400 One day, when she was near death, 2059 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,030 and I was at her bedside trying 2060 01:33:16,030 --> 01:33:18,197 to divert her with chatter I said, 2061 01:33:18,197 --> 01:33:20,607 "It never ceases to amaze me how many people 2062 01:33:20,607 --> 01:33:24,220 "who call themselves writers actually can't write," 2063 01:33:24,220 --> 01:33:28,927 and she said, very weakly, "Yes, they say things like 2064 01:33:28,927 --> 01:33:31,041 "It never ceases to amaze me." 2065 01:33:31,041 --> 01:33:33,250 (people laughing) 2066 01:33:33,250 --> 01:33:36,113 - A couple of weeks before my mother's memorial, 2067 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:41,080 which was scheduled for November of 2001, 2068 01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:46,080 I decided that I wanted to say some words myself. 2069 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,390 I felt compelled to say something 2070 01:33:48,390 --> 01:33:50,563 I wasn't sure what it would turn into. 2071 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,740 Pauline's greatest weakness became her great strength. 2072 01:33:56,740 --> 01:33:59,200 Her liberation as a writer and critic. 2073 01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,530 She truly believed that what she did was 2074 01:34:01,530 --> 01:34:04,120 for everyone else's good and that because 2075 01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,593 she meant well she had no negative effects. 2076 01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:14,900 This lack of introspection, self-awareness, restraint, 2077 01:34:14,900 --> 01:34:18,790 or hesitation, gave Pauline a supreme freedom 2078 01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:21,290 to speak up, to speak her mind, 2079 01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:23,123 to find her honest voice. 2080 01:34:24,810 --> 01:34:28,063 She turned her lack of self-awareness into a triumph. 2081 01:34:33,870 --> 01:34:35,850 - [Narrator] Perhaps no work of art is possible 2082 01:34:35,850 --> 01:34:38,710 without belief in the audience. 2083 01:34:38,710 --> 01:34:40,620 The kind of belief that has nothing to do 2084 01:34:40,620 --> 01:34:42,750 with facts and figures about what people 2085 01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:45,230 actually buy or enjoy but comes out 2086 01:34:45,230 --> 01:34:47,814 of the individual artist's absolute conviction 2087 01:34:47,814 --> 01:34:50,084 that only the best he can do 2088 01:34:50,084 --> 01:34:53,103 is fit to be offered to others. 2089 01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:56,900 - [Lili] Pauline's mistake was in believing 2090 01:34:56,900 --> 01:34:58,250 that she needed the movies. 2091 01:35:02,410 --> 01:35:03,803 But the movies needed her. 2092 01:35:08,197 --> 01:35:11,697 (soft instrumental music) 2093 01:36:03,090 --> 01:36:04,430 - [Man] Pauline Kael. 2094 01:36:04,430 --> 01:36:06,950 - [Pauline] As my last word, I'd like to revert 2095 01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:10,490 to that question of do I believe in progress. 2096 01:36:10,490 --> 01:36:15,490 I see in the Perspective issue here of letters to the editor 2097 01:36:15,586 --> 01:36:16,419 (a man laughs) 2098 01:36:16,419 --> 01:36:18,067 a gentleman writes, that 2099 01:36:18,067 --> 01:36:20,370 "People should shed a tear for her," 2100 01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:21,657 that means me, 2101 01:36:21,657 --> 01:36:24,238 "who spews the pulp of sour grape 2102 01:36:24,238 --> 01:36:25,340 "to stain an empty bear--" 2103 01:36:25,340 --> 01:36:27,190 - [Man] We should explain these are letters 2104 01:36:27,190 --> 01:36:29,210 in reply to a piece you wrote on the film 2105 01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:30,660 in a prior issue of Perspective. 2106 01:36:30,660 --> 01:36:31,493 Go ahead, I'm sorry. 2107 01:36:31,493 --> 01:36:33,240 - [Pauline] You know this is the new Victorianism. 2108 01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,740 Do you remember in the Victorian period 2109 01:36:35,740 --> 01:36:37,300 women were not supposed to think, 2110 01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:39,230 they were supposed to leave the thinking to the men. 2111 01:36:39,230 --> 01:36:41,310 In the neo-Freudian period, 2112 01:36:41,310 --> 01:36:44,210 if women do any writing or speaking in public, 2113 01:36:44,210 --> 01:36:45,353 it is supposed to demonstrate that 2114 01:36:45,353 --> 01:36:47,640 they are sexually deprived. 2115 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:48,760 They have an empty bed. 2116 01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:49,830 If their bed were full, 2117 01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:52,220 they would not bother to care about movies. 2118 01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:54,440 - [Man] Or go to the movies. 2119 01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:55,820 - [Man] I really don't think we're gonna have 2120 01:36:55,820 --> 01:36:57,100 that feminism in Chicago, though. 2121 01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:58,840 I don't think we're gonna have that feminism in Chicago. 2122 01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:00,960 (Pauline laughing) 2123 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,750 Aren't you really deep in underestimating 2124 01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:05,161 a great portion of the audience-- 2125 01:37:05,161 --> 01:37:07,689 - [Pauline] I hope that's true. 2126 01:37:07,689 --> 01:37:10,670 But you see if I really didn't believe in the audience 2127 01:37:10,670 --> 01:37:12,030 I wouldn't go to the trouble of trying 2128 01:37:12,030 --> 01:37:14,950 to address it either in print or on the air. 2129 01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:16,760 I mean I have some feeling that perhaps 2130 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,960 one can reach somebody out there somewhere. 2131 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,460 (soft instrumental music) 166949

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