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* [singing]
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One can't help but notice the
rhythms of-or the pulse that was
here, that is here, been here.
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The feel of Native American
is in a lot of rock 'n' roll.
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A lot of R&B musicians
and blues musicians talked
about having Native blood.
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The one group that hasn't
really been investigated
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in terms of their contribution
is the Native Americans.
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[crowd cheering]
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* [three-chord
introduction to Rumble] *
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It's interesting how much of
the Native American element
just filters through.
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* [three-chord riff]
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The mixture of cultures;
you never know what's
gonna come with it.
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And from that sometimes it's
very interesting artistic
things happen, you know?
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From Charlie Patton to
Link Wray; Robbie Robertson
invented the genre.
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Jimi Hendrix, the best in
his field, you know; Jesse Ed
Davis, everybody wanted him.
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Well, that's
interesting isn't it?
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* [three-chord riff]
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Our peoples were part of the
origin story of blues and jazz
and rock of American music,
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but we're left out of the story
consistently from the beginning.
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* [three-chord riff]
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Figuring out that these
people were Indians and then
we started to ask ourselves
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why didn't anyone
else know that?
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**
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It's an American story.
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It's a human story;
don't break it apart.
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Pay the respect that is due.
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**
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**
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**
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It was that-the sound of
that guitar is the key.
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Link Wray and that aggression.
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The sound of his guitar
embodied all my aspirations.
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It was the sound of freedom.
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Link Wray.
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Oh, boy. I've wanted to
meet you for a long time.
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There might not be a Who were
there no Link Wray;
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there might not be a
Jeff Beck Group... were
there no Link Wray.
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There might not be a
Led Zeppelin if there
were no Link Wray.
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Pete Townsend thought Link
Wray was one of the great
guitar players of all time,
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that this guy had
invented the power chord.
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Pete made it new; he
put more colour on it,
put more weight on it.
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Turned it into I
Can See For Miles .
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**
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**
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* Link Wray sings:
I was born down in the country
Down where the cotton grows *
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This is Jim Pewter with, uh,
Link and, uh, Black River Swamp
is, uh, really a nice tune.
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You know that's about a
place where I was born,
down in North Carolina.
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Oh, yeah?
-Yeah.
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I'm from North Carolina.
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And I'm out in the
country of Dunn.
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And Dunn's a real small place
but I lived in the country
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in this place
called Black River.
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* There's a place down
in the country. *
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* where the pine
trees grow so tall *
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And they struggled;
they were very poor
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and I'm sure he
probably fished in the pond
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to try to get food because,
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um, you know it was-times
were really rough.
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* Stretchin' across
Black River Swamp *
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He's got Shawnee on
there; Native American.
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You didn't go around
telling everybody you
were Native American;
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everybody hid it because
of the way other people
looked down on them.
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Link said that he hid
under the bed one day
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because they could hear
the KKK coming through;
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because, like all cowards,
they would come at night
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and they would terrorize people
when they least expected it.
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* I can hear them
bullfrogs croaking *
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The Ku Klux Klan was after
anybody who wasn't white.
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* in the blackness
of the night *
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And if you were known
to be an Indian,
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uh, you were just as susceptible
as any African-American person.
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* [church singing]
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My Shawnee mommy, she went
out into the fields and was
preaching to the blacks
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and to the Cherokee Indians
and poor whites saying,
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"You keep your morals high;
believe in God." You know.
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And me and my brothers we
were singing, you know,
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Will The Circle Be Unbroken
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and all those gospel songs
behind my mom you know,
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when she was out
there preaching.
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* [singing]
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I was, uh, taught by a black
man called Hambone who was
raised up in the circus
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and he could play
everything, you know.
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And, uh, he taught me how to
play the blues, you know,
and I started off from there
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and then I started paying
bands, you know, to let
me sit in with them
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so I could get better,
you know.
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Were there early, um,
rock 'n' roll influences?
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I mean you were among
some of the--
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There was no rock
'n' roll then.
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I was doing this hop at this
record hop in Fredericksburg,
Virginia in 1957.
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The kids were gathered
around in this arena
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and they were yelling
for, uh, the stroll.
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Link says, "I don't
know a stroll."
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I said, "I don't know a stroll."
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And Doug said, "I know
the beat behind one.
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[imitates beat tapping
on guitar]
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Ba-bow" And you thi-you know.
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So I said, "OK." Then
I went like this.
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And then my God, man,
they're watching me.
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You know. He said, "Bam!"
I went (plays guitar).
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* [three chord riff]
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**
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It's in the middle of the night
and the radio's on and here
comes this sound, you know,
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that makes you levitate
out of bed about four feet.
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**
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What is he doing?
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There's no sound like
that nowhere on the air.
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**
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It changed everything.
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Rumble made an indelible mark
on the whole evolution of where
rock 'n' roll was gonna go.
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And then I found out
that he was an Indian.
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That was the rawest form
of the kind of guitar
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that a lot of the guys
that I listen to-
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it's where it started. You know?
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And it even still sounds better
when he does it. You know?
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**
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I was in the cafeteria and on
the university P.A. system
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I heard "Bam, bam, bam; domp,
domp, domp, domp."
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I said, "What? Whoa,
what is that?"
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Rumble had the power to
push me over the edge and
it did help me say,
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"Fuck it. I'm gonna
be a musician."
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**
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I think Link Wray purely loved
rock 'n' roll and felt
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pissed off and annoyed
and disappointed
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that in some ways because he
was Shawnee, half-Shawnee,
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and his family had
been treated so badly
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he took that bitterness and
created something that was
not reductive but proactive.
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**
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And the idea Rumble just
from a superficial, almost
reactionary level
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is like the fight, right?
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But for me it means to
disrupt, to roar, to be active.
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**
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So Link Wray announced with
the Rumb that there was
a shift happening in culture.
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You know, this is not going
to be the bop and the stroll
it's going to be the Rumble .
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**
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Here comes Link Wray
with the theme song
of juvenile delinquency.
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You know. "Hey, rumble."
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**
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I was surprised it
got any airplay.
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And to be honest I mean I'm
not surprised it was banned.
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* [piece ends]
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[cheers]
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He is the only person who has an
instrumental - no words - banned
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for fear it would incite
teenage gang violence.
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It was the sound, the
chord progressions;
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that was the thing.
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It was the way they didn't
understand the feedback;
it was the groove.
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It was-it was so many things
that turned people off.
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You know, everybody can't be Pat
Boone. You know what I mean?
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His influence was so immense.
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Every musician in the
world loves Link Wray.
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I don't know why the rest of the
world hasn't figured that out.
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* Kick out the jams,
motherfucker! *
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* [punk rock]
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In the MC5, we would do
these recording sessions and the
engineers would always say,
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"Oh, it's all distorted, man.
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You punks-aw, you're
playing the amp too loud."
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And I'd say, "Yes, I want it
distorted; that's what I want."
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"No, no; you want it clean like
at Motown so it goes 'chink'."
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I said, "No, I want it
to go (makes distorted
sound) like Link Wray.
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You know, I want that-that
fuzz; I want the distortion."
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Link Wray's certainly one
of the architects of my
sound and the MC5 sound,
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and a thousand other rock
guitar players since then.
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I mean, you know, if you
trace-if you connect the
dots back, you know ...
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so you can trace heavy
metal and punk rock and
all that back to The Clash
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and The Ramones; uh,
the New York Dolls, The
MC5 and a few others.
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And then before that,
who was there, you know?
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And he was one of the first
that really had a tone that
pointed a way to the future.
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Link Wray is huge on all
modern electric guitar players.
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If they're saying
he didn't influence,
uh, they're lying.
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[cheering]
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Thank you very much!
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[paddling]
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In the whole southeast area what
we all know, what we've heard
through our own families,
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is that back when first
contact happened,
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we had a very specific
style of singing.
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* [strong voices in unison]
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* [strong voices in unison]
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And you can hear the spirit
of some of the old music
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before plantations and slavery
and so forth, and colonization.
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People are really shocked
when they hear the traditional
music of the southeast.
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They're, like, "That's
Indian music? I thought
that was African music."
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* [harmonizing]
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The land of the southeast
itself informs the sound.
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We hear the birds here.
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We hear the water here, the
rivers, the canoe sounds.
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And that informs what
comes out of our mouth.
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All of American music that came
from the south was informed by
our land and therefore by us.
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[birdsong]
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A music by Native people
presented a threat,
was seen as dangerous.
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And people were arrested,
singers and dancers incarcerated
for performing this music;
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treaty-guaranteed rations
withheld from them.
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The Federal government begins
passing law after law in an
effort to control Native people
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in every way that
you can imagine.
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**
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They went after every
part of our culture
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so of course they're
gonna go after the music
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because it's an integral
aspect of our culture.
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Because back in that time, in
those times, everybody had a
morning song to greet the day.
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They were songs of ancestry;
they were songs of the old way.
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They went after our culture.
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It was genocide and they
wanted to erase every
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cultural perception of
reality that we had.
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On December 29th, 1890,
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the U.S. Army surrounded
a number of Ghost Dancers
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at Wounded Knee and slaughtered
over three hundred,
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mostly women and
children, but also men
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who were participating
in the Ghost Dance.
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And this is essentially the
beginning of the banning
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of Native music in
the United States.
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When I hear stories about Wovoka
creating the Ghost Dance,
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the dance that would make the
Native Americans invulnerable to
the bullets of the white man
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so that they could rise up
from the reservations
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and kill off their oppressors;
they were that desperate.
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Was what music the blues?
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It might not have sounded
like it, but baby, that
was the blues.
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That was the blues.
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[fireworks explosions]
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* [marching band]
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Most people in America, what
little they have of Mardi Gras
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is drunken white people
on Bourbon Street
packed wall-to-wall
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hollering at some woman
to show her tits. You know?
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This doesn't have anything
to do with Mardi Gras.
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**
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If you want to witness
and participate in the
real Mardi Gras,
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you have to go to the the
heart of the ghetto;
that's the staging area.
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[percussion instruments
and shouts]
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**
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When my family came up from my
home in Louisiana, they migrated
during the time when, uh,
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you know, things was
rough for the Indians so
they came to New Orleans
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and they passed off as black
because they was dark-skinned.
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And they never even talked
about it; they'd never mention
it because, you know,
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they were scared because
they didn't want to get
sent to the reservation.
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* [shouts and percussion]
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Big Chief! Big Chief!
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Hey boy! What they say!
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Mardi Gras more than
a hell of a day.
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But Mardi Gras morning
when Indians come
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we all gonna get
together to have some fun.
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[shouts]
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* I'm gonna take 'em downtown!
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* Early in the mornin'!
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[shouts]
246
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* I'm gonna take 'em downtown!
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Early in the mornin'!
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Seeing the Indians at Carnival
was getting to know who I was.
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That was the only time that
black men could put on feathers.
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[shouts and percussion]
251
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We're all a combination of
indigenous people and
indigenous people of Africa.
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**
253
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It was a Muscogeeon
village through this area.
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Our music is called Stomp
Dance and what you hear
first is the calling,
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a call and response
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where the leader calls out
and then the men answer.
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**
258
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When you hear that up
against blues, rock, jazz,
it's part of the origin.
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* [singing]
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Everybody in the neighbourhood,
everybody has grown up on this;
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they've been doing this a
hundred and fifty years.
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**
263
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Basically they're in
there masking as black
people in daily life.
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Because the Indians were treated
even worse than the slaves.
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**
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When European settlers came
here, they first enslaved
the Indians, lots of them.
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And they figured out the
best way to do this is to
ship the men elsewhere.
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Being hunter-gatherer societies
uh, they knew how to escape and
how to evade the raiders
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and how to come back and
fight. So, you ship them
into the Caribbean ships,
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some of them to Africa,
keep the women here.
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And then later on,
bring in African slaves.
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Ninety percent of the people in
the ships coming from Africa on
some of those ships were men.
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Who did they have children with?
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And this is why eighty-five
percent of African-Americans who
have been in this country
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before the Civil War claim
Native American ancestry.
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And all of them almost
say great-grandmother
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on the mother's line.
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**
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And runaway slaves
would be taken in
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on different
Indian reservations.
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They're like, aw, come on,
man, you know, you can hang
out with us; we'll hide you.
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And the next thing you knew,
there was these little black
Indians running around.
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Everyone that
was not white,
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was classified
as "coloured,"
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so whether you were Indian or
black, you became coloured.
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If you had ten percent African,
you're considered black.
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You'd be ninety percent Indian,
but you're considered black.
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Why? Well, because it prevents
Native Americans from making
claims to the land...
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and taking back what was stolen.
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And if they claimed their
land and claimed Indian,
they could be shot.
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b
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* [live band
performing zydeco] *
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When the African poly
rhythms and a Native American,
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four on the floor
came together.
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That was the beginning of
what became American music.
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**
297
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To me, I think of-of gumbo,
which is the quintessential
New Orleans food.
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When I was growing up, gumbo
was you put everything you
had in a pot.
299
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All that stuff together
makes this great meal.
300
00:22:58,978 --> 00:23:06,819
I'm part Native American,
part African by way of Haiti,
part French, part Italian,
301
00:23:06,853 --> 00:23:14,494
and that's kind of what
New Orleans is, and it
comes out so flavourful.
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Giacomo Fina Ne is what they
say, Big Chief coming,
303
00:23:17,464 --> 00:23:19,632
so tell them, better
get out the way.
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New Orleans, the home of the
strong, home of the brave,
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00:23:21,834 --> 00:23:23,903
so don't bother nobody with a
feather in their head.
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They bring lightning in the
morning, they won't bow down,
307
00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:30,109
tambourine rain is such
a beautiful sound.
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00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:31,978
Uptown lightning
it comes down
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00:23:32,011 --> 00:23:33,646
when my Chief on
the street steps
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the thunder all
beneath his feet.
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His suit can't be beat,
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00:23:36,783 --> 00:23:38,618
That child wild from
the sun to the night
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And when he opens
such a beautiful sight.
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* Here comes the end
Just let 'em through *
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00:23:44,557 --> 00:23:47,660
**
316
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* [solo female voice]
317
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* [other voices join]
318
00:24:08,648 --> 00:24:19,992
* [other voices join]
319
00:24:20,026 --> 00:24:24,030
For me it was just a huge
revelation that the banjo
is an African instrument.
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00:24:24,063 --> 00:24:28,635
The banjo for the first
hundred years of its existence
was not a white instrument,
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00:24:28,668 --> 00:24:30,136
you know, at all, it was a
plantation instrument.
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00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:40,179
**
323
00:24:40,212 --> 00:24:50,256
**
324
00:24:50,256 --> 00:24:59,532
**
325
00:24:59,566 --> 00:25:03,102
Our music is very much
what you would hear.
326
00:25:03,135 --> 00:25:06,172
It's-I've heard people
call it pre-blues.
327
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And so it really sounds
very much like the
roots of blues music.
328
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**
329
00:25:25,658 --> 00:25:35,702
**
330
00:25:35,702 --> 00:25:41,040
**
331
00:25:42,775 --> 00:25:47,279
[train tracks clattering]
332
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* [blues
fingerstyle guitar] *
333
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**
334
00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:18,711
**
335
00:26:18,745 --> 00:26:21,848
* Baby, saddle my pony
336
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* Hitch up my black mare
337
00:26:27,186 --> 00:26:30,256
* Baby, saddle up my pony
338
00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:35,862
* Hitch up my black mare
339
00:26:35,895 --> 00:26:41,634
Blues buffs, blues scholars,
although they can't
really agree on anything,
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if they were forced
into a room and they had
to identify, you know,
341
00:26:45,805 --> 00:26:53,045
perhaps the most singularly
important blues guitarist,
singer, songwriter,
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00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:58,384
the whole package,
the greatest one that ever was
um, in the early 20th Century,
343
00:26:58,417 --> 00:27:02,321
if you tried to convince them to
come up with that answer, they'd
probably say Charley Patton.
344
00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:12,364
**
345
00:27:12,398 --> 00:27:17,069
He was the grandfather to all
of the Delta Blues guys.
346
00:27:17,103 --> 00:27:20,873
No matter how rough those
recordings are or how hard
it is to listen to,
347
00:27:20,907 --> 00:27:23,743
there's nothing as immediate
as listening to that stuff.
348
00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:27,980
It's like a bomb went off. I
mean, his sound is so guttural,
349
00:27:28,014 --> 00:27:34,186
it sounds like what I imagine
that time must have felt like.
350
00:27:34,220 --> 00:27:37,156
Like he's just, he's
just getting it out.
351
00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:43,029
You know, he's not even trying
to make it pretty. (laugh) It's
just as raw as it gets.
352
00:27:51,237 --> 00:27:56,776
He was a profound influence
on Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton,
Jack White, Bonnie Raitt,
353
00:27:56,809 --> 00:27:58,978
the list goes on and on and on.
354
00:27:59,011 --> 00:28:01,413
Charley Patton was an Indian.
355
00:28:01,447 --> 00:28:04,784
And he was the baddest
mother-fucker in the world.
356
00:28:04,817 --> 00:28:06,118
Howlin Wolf.
357
00:28:06,152 --> 00:28:09,121
**
358
00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:12,091
He was from the area of
the Mississippi Delta,
359
00:28:12,124 --> 00:28:15,762
which is an area that is
rich in Blues history.
360
00:28:15,795 --> 00:28:18,230
It's not far from
the Choctaw country.
361
00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:21,934
It's very likely that Charley
Patton was of Choctaw ancestry.
362
00:28:21,968 --> 00:28:33,379
**
363
00:28:33,412 --> 00:28:36,148
Charley Patton's family
has an oral tradition
364
00:28:36,182 --> 00:28:38,885
of Native ancestry,
of white ancestry,
365
00:28:38,918 --> 00:28:41,854
Creole ancestry,
African-American ancestry.
366
00:28:41,888 --> 00:28:44,356
All of those people
made Patton who he was.
367
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:53,265
* [Charley Patton song]
368
00:28:53,299 --> 00:28:54,466
[laugh]
369
00:28:59,271 --> 00:29:04,176
See, so when I hear this, it's
Indian music to me, you know.
370
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:08,447
And that rhythm...
371
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,820
[clapping]
372
00:29:13,853 --> 00:29:17,156
I love Charley Patton, his
spirit and his music,
373
00:29:17,189 --> 00:29:19,892
it just connects
me right back
374
00:29:19,926 --> 00:29:25,264
to where I come from, you
know? I can hear all those
old traditional songs.
375
00:29:26,866 --> 00:29:28,167
Do you hear it?
376
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:37,543
[laughs and sings along]
377
00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:39,812
* [new song]
378
00:29:39,846 --> 00:29:50,556
[sings along]
379
00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:53,025
That's Indian music.
380
00:29:53,059 --> 00:29:54,961
With a guitar, you know.
381
00:29:54,994 --> 00:29:59,165
That's where it went, you
know? That's where
traditional music went.
382
00:29:59,198 --> 00:30:01,433
It went like this.
383
00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:07,073
**
384
00:30:07,106 --> 00:30:08,407
I hear it in the singing.
385
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,077
I hear it in the singing and
I hear it in the rhythm
386
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:12,544
because he plays the
guitar like a drum.
387
00:30:12,578 --> 00:30:16,348
**
388
00:30:16,382 --> 00:30:21,020
It was illegal to own a drum
in plantation slavery America.
389
00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:23,022
You could not own a drum.
390
00:30:23,055 --> 00:30:26,425
Or you will be killed
because a drum was an
insurrectionary instrument.
391
00:30:26,458 --> 00:30:31,263
You could communicate to people,
you could organize people
over distances for rebellion,
392
00:30:31,297 --> 00:30:35,601
You know? So that's why
Charley Patton had to
play drum on his guitar.
393
00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:42,074
**
394
00:30:42,108 --> 00:30:47,613
Patton was born during some
of the worst racial violence
in the United States,
395
00:30:47,646 --> 00:30:50,582
so one of the ways that
you could perhaps get away
396
00:30:50,616 --> 00:30:53,986
from some of the worst
of the racial violence
397
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:57,423
was to be secure inside of a
world such as here at Dockery.
398
00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:02,128
It was a place where people
could go and make money.
399
00:31:02,161 --> 00:31:04,463
The Dockery Plantation
offered people more
400
00:31:04,496 --> 00:31:08,267
than they were getting in their
home communities in Mississippi.
401
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,269
And that's why Patton's
family moved there
402
00:31:10,302 --> 00:31:13,639
because they could have a
better life for themselves.
403
00:31:13,672 --> 00:31:16,342
* [singing]
404
00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:17,910
There were Choctaw
folks that moved there;
405
00:31:17,944 --> 00:31:20,679
there were
African-American folks;
406
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:23,115
there were Europeans
that worked there.
407
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:27,019
Charley Patton would have heard
a combination of influences
408
00:31:27,053 --> 00:31:30,189
that led to the emergence of
his guitar playing style.
409
00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:34,293
**
410
00:31:34,326 --> 00:31:38,931
He was not very much
into farm labour,
411
00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:41,467
but you didn't have too
many other opportunities.
412
00:31:48,374 --> 00:31:54,646
They would do gigs. It
would be, you know, Saturday
night at somebody's house,
413
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,218
somebody's back porch. Play
all night, play for some drinks.
414
00:31:59,251 --> 00:32:00,987
Maybe somebody
would fry some fish.
415
00:32:03,155 --> 00:32:05,157
After they got out of the
church, even the reverends
416
00:32:05,191 --> 00:32:06,558
would go take their girls
417
00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:10,296
and go to the juke
joints, you know, where
they had sex and food
418
00:32:10,329 --> 00:32:12,965
and gambling and
all that stuff.
419
00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:16,502
Back then, rich and poor
had to go to juke joints if
they wanted to party.
420
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:24,476
Son House would say, you
know, Patton would throw
the guitar up in the air
421
00:32:24,510 --> 00:32:27,079
and catch it and, you
know, not miss a beat.
422
00:32:32,384 --> 00:32:35,021
And just think, he's been
working all week;
423
00:32:35,054 --> 00:32:38,357
and you ain't heard nothing but
lightning and birds and wind.
424
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:40,726
And all of a sudden,
you hear somebody go
425
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:43,329
(imitating guitar sound).
426
00:32:43,362 --> 00:32:46,032
And I mean, the hair's
probably standing up on
the back of your neck.
427
00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:50,102
* [guitar and voice]
428
00:32:50,136 --> 00:32:52,738
He was doing Jimi Hendrix
long before Jimi.
429
00:32:52,771 --> 00:32:55,341
Charley Patton may have started
the whole showmanship thing.
430
00:32:55,374 --> 00:32:58,010
But, you know, they
had to find their own identity;
431
00:32:58,044 --> 00:32:59,711
they had to separate themselves
from the other guys.
432
00:32:59,745 --> 00:33:02,348
I mean, there was probably a
lot of guys out there trying
433
00:33:02,381 --> 00:33:05,551
to not have to work
in the cotton field,
you know what I mean?
434
00:33:05,584 --> 00:33:11,457
It's like, same as today, OK?
We're all trying to not work
in that cotton field, right?
435
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:19,365
**
436
00:33:19,398 --> 00:33:23,169
The big deal about Dockery
is that Charley was here
for such a long time
437
00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:26,772
that people came to him
and he took the time to
teach them how to play.
438
00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:29,308
He taught Pop Staples how
to play when he was a child.
439
00:33:29,341 --> 00:33:31,477
Sun House was another one
that came here and played.
440
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:33,179
That Howlin' Wolf came
here as a youngster.
441
00:33:33,212 --> 00:33:39,418
**
442
00:33:39,451 --> 00:33:44,556
A man came through the
plantation picking a guitar
called Charley Patton,
443
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:47,426
and I liked his sound.
444
00:33:47,459 --> 00:33:51,530
Every night that I'd get off
from work, I'd go to his house
445
00:33:51,563 --> 00:33:55,267
and he'd learn me how
to pick the guitar. So
I got good with it.
446
00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:10,716
Wolf was the guy who
basically took Patton's music
into the electric realm.
447
00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:13,552
The Stones got
Howlin' Wolf to come.
448
00:34:13,585 --> 00:34:16,122
You can see Brian Jones' face.
449
00:34:16,155 --> 00:34:20,392
He's just like, "Oh my God, we
actually pulled this scam off
450
00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:24,396
and we got Howlin' Wolf
to do this show."
451
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:26,198
Tell us something
about him, Brian.
452
00:34:26,232 --> 00:34:27,733
Well, when we first
started playing together
453
00:34:27,766 --> 00:34:30,136
we started playing because we
wanted to play Rhythm and Blues
454
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:32,338
and Howlin' Wolf was one
of our greatest idols
455
00:34:32,371 --> 00:34:37,476
and it's a great
pleasure to find he's been
booked on this show tonight.
456
00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:40,346
So I think it's
time we shut up and
had Howlin' Wolf onstage!
457
00:34:40,379 --> 00:34:41,813
[audience starts screaming]
458
00:34:41,847 --> 00:34:44,250
Yeah I agree, let's get him
out, Howlin' Wolf, bring him on!
459
00:34:44,283 --> 00:34:56,862
**
460
00:34:56,895 --> 00:35:04,236
* How many more years
Do I have to let you
dog me around? *
461
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:06,905
**
462
00:35:06,938 --> 00:35:14,780
* How many more years
Do I have to let you
dog me around? *
463
00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:16,915
**
464
00:35:16,948 --> 00:35:19,885
* I would rather be dead
465
00:35:19,918 --> 00:35:23,855
And once again, that mystery of
what it is and how awesome it is
466
00:35:23,889 --> 00:35:27,259
goes right back down to Charley
Patton and Dockery Farms.
467
00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:39,405
**
468
00:35:39,438 --> 00:35:44,443
America didn't let the blues
reach the white kids until the
British guys started playing it,
469
00:35:44,476 --> 00:35:48,280
then they thought it was
something new the British
guys was bringing here.
470
00:35:48,314 --> 00:35:51,883
The Stones, the Beatles
and whoever else was
picking up a guitar.
471
00:35:51,917 --> 00:36:00,459
* [song ends]
472
00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:05,597
There's a definite thread from
Charley Patton, Howlin Wolf
to Led Zeppelin, you know,
473
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:07,466
it went like that basically.
474
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,501
Jimmy Page will tell you
that if you ask him.
475
00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:12,571
* [thirties big band
swing jazz] *
476
00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:14,806
* [Mildred Bailey singing]
477
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,509
* I'm gonna leave you
cause it's high time *
478
00:36:17,543 --> 00:36:20,612
* Somebody else is
beatin' my time *
479
00:36:20,646 --> 00:36:22,781
* But you never hear me cry
480
00:36:22,814 --> 00:36:25,451
* As long as you live,
you'll be dead if you die *
481
00:36:25,484 --> 00:36:26,652
[she starts next
verse but stops]
482
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,854
[band member shouts]
483
00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:30,222
Mildred: Well, I
can't help it.
484
00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:31,223
[band stops]
485
00:36:31,257 --> 00:36:32,791
Oh fuck, I don't
know how it goes.
486
00:36:32,824 --> 00:36:34,893
It's all the same; I can't
tell where to come in.
487
00:36:34,926 --> 00:36:36,528
[band counts the song back in]
488
00:36:36,562 --> 00:36:38,930
* I'm gonna leave you
cause it's high time *
489
00:36:38,964 --> 00:36:41,600
* Somebody else is
beatin' my time *
490
00:36:41,633 --> 00:36:46,505
Mildred began singing
in speakeasies, and she
became big in speakeasies.
491
00:36:46,538 --> 00:36:51,009
In this little speakeasy that
she and Benny the Bootlegger
had, she brewed her own beer.
492
00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:55,347
* [song continues]
493
00:36:55,381 --> 00:36:56,782
But when Mildred Bailey
came to New York
494
00:36:56,815 --> 00:36:58,950
in the late
'20s, early '30s
495
00:36:58,984 --> 00:37:01,920
uh, everything was
completely segregated.
496
00:37:01,953 --> 00:37:05,757
She knew who the great musicians
were and she started recording
with black musicians
497
00:37:05,791 --> 00:37:07,493
almost from the
moment she got here.
498
00:37:07,526 --> 00:37:10,829
* [song continues]
499
00:37:10,862 --> 00:37:12,998
Mildred was a cornerstone.
500
00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:16,702
She serves as a cornerstone in
the direction that jazz took.
501
00:37:16,735 --> 00:37:21,006
* [song ends]
502
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:31,049
* [single drone]
503
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:36,855
* [single drone]
504
00:37:36,888 --> 00:37:43,028
This was her mother's land for
generations before Mildred
505
00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:51,503
and my grandmother was the
recipient of ancient music.
506
00:37:51,537 --> 00:37:58,477
* [single female voice]
507
00:37:58,510 --> 00:38:04,783
On the Coeur D'Alene
Reservation, there was no social
gathering without singing.
508
00:38:04,816 --> 00:38:09,421
* [pure high notes]
509
00:38:09,455 --> 00:38:20,899
**
510
00:38:20,932 --> 00:38:27,038
The way the notes are
stretched and condensed and
move over the bar lines.
511
00:38:27,072 --> 00:38:28,907
Mildred sings from
Lover, Come Back to Me
512
00:38:28,940 --> 00:38:34,613
* I remember every little
thing you used to do *
513
00:38:34,646 --> 00:38:39,551
When Mildred Bailey does
it, it's hard not to look at the
way those glides are used
514
00:38:39,585 --> 00:38:43,822
in the traditional songs of
the region where she grew up.
515
00:38:43,855 --> 00:38:52,097
* Every road I walk along
I've walked along with you *
516
00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:57,869
When asked how she came to be
the singer that she became,
517
00:38:57,903 --> 00:39:00,105
she pointed to the Indian
songs of her youth.
518
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:09,047
**
519
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,854
* Old rockin' chair's got me
520
00:39:15,887 --> 00:39:19,958
She was one of the great
improvisers of jazz.
521
00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:24,396
You know, you say,
(sings) "Old rocking
chair's got me."
522
00:39:24,430 --> 00:39:26,932
You sing it, maybe it's written
that way, but it always says,
523
00:39:26,965 --> 00:39:29,635
(sings) "Old rocking
chair's got me," you know.
524
00:39:29,668 --> 00:39:33,805
You just change it,
you know, whatever you
feel at the moment.
525
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:37,976
It's something that you
can't learn in school.
526
00:39:38,009 --> 00:39:46,151
I'm eighty years old, you know,
what am I talking about, I'm
eighty-eight and uh (laughter)
527
00:39:46,184 --> 00:39:50,589
from sixteen to twenty
years old, I was working
as a singing waiter
528
00:39:50,622 --> 00:39:56,562
in Astoria, Long Island here and
that's the only thing I listened
to, was Mildred Bailey.
529
00:39:56,595 --> 00:39:59,931
I was completely influenced
by Mildred Bailey.
530
00:39:59,965 --> 00:40:03,101
She sang perfect, for me.
531
00:40:03,134 --> 00:40:06,772
Radio announcer: And here's
your rocking chair lady,
Mildred Bailey!
532
00:40:06,805 --> 00:40:11,643
Hi everybody, come right in and
cut yourself a share of kicks
around that old rocking chair.
533
00:40:11,677 --> 00:40:13,979
* [forties big band swing]
534
00:40:14,012 --> 00:40:16,615
* Noah, Noah, let me come in
535
00:40:16,648 --> 00:40:19,685
* Doors all fastened and the
windows pinned... *
536
00:40:19,718 --> 00:40:23,922
She's the first female
band singer, period.
537
00:40:23,955 --> 00:40:27,125
And the first female
to have a radio show.
538
00:40:27,158 --> 00:40:30,662
* Noah said you done
lost your track. *
539
00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:36,201
Frank Sinatra went up to
Julia Rinker at a recording
session in the '70s and said,
540
00:40:36,234 --> 00:40:41,673
"I knew your aunt, and
she is one of the most
significant people
541
00:40:41,707 --> 00:40:47,646
in terms of how I learned to
sing and who I emulate to this
day." Frank Sinatra said that.
542
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,049
* Keep your hand on
the plow, hold on! *
543
00:40:51,082 --> 00:40:56,655
Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday,
Bing Crosby, she had a hand
in shaping jazz vocal style.
544
00:40:56,688 --> 00:40:59,891
* Wanna get to heaven,
I'll tell you how *
545
00:40:59,925 --> 00:41:02,928
* Keep your hand on
the gospel plow! *
546
00:41:02,961 --> 00:41:08,900
It's important not just to
re-situate Mildred Bailey
in that jazz narrative,
547
00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:14,740
but by doing that, we bring
the story of the Native
American perspective
548
00:41:14,773 --> 00:41:16,207
into that jazz narrative.
549
00:41:16,241 --> 00:41:20,111
[song ends / applause]
550
00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:25,617
[whistles]
551
00:41:25,651 --> 00:41:28,987
Loudspeaker: Seeing as this is
an unlawful assembly. Disperse.
552
00:41:32,858 --> 00:41:40,165
[screams]
553
00:41:40,198 --> 00:41:42,100
* [folk guitar strumming]
554
00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:52,143
[Buffy Saint Marie sings Now
that the Buffalo's Gone]
555
00:41:52,177 --> 00:41:59,685
[Buffy Saint Marie sings Now
that the Buffalo's Gone]
556
00:41:59,718 --> 00:42:05,557
* Can you remember the time
557
00:42:05,591 --> 00:42:09,795
* That you have held
your head high? *
558
00:42:09,828 --> 00:42:13,164
* And told all of your friends
of your Indian claim *
559
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:17,603
* Proud good lady
and proud good man *
560
00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:20,972
I went to Greenwich Village
and I was not in show business.
561
00:42:21,006 --> 00:42:25,110
I was a college girl on her
way to India and I thought I
would try my luck at singing.
562
00:42:25,143 --> 00:42:26,978
And it was folk music time.
563
00:42:27,012 --> 00:42:32,718
* Oh, it's written in
books and in songs *
564
00:42:32,751 --> 00:42:38,156
* That we've been
mistreated and wronged *
565
00:42:38,189 --> 00:42:42,861
All of a sudden the streets
were just alive with people
566
00:42:42,894 --> 00:42:46,665
with broader minds than
the generation before.
567
00:42:46,698 --> 00:42:50,702
And it was just the perfect
time for me, you know.
568
00:42:50,736 --> 00:42:53,639
If it had been a different
time, I probably never
would have had a career.
569
00:42:53,672 --> 00:42:57,643
* And you feel you're a
part of these ones... *
570
00:42:57,676 --> 00:43:01,847
At the essence, folk music is
telling the stories of the day.
571
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:07,285
And it's telling stories of the
day or the people who are most
of the time the most excluded,
572
00:43:07,318 --> 00:43:11,723
the most-the most uh,
the trampled-upon.
573
00:43:11,757 --> 00:43:19,798
This is a song about a human
being who is also an Indian
574
00:43:19,831 --> 00:43:22,400
and if you don't
remember his name,
575
00:43:22,433 --> 00:43:28,940
I think you may after this
song. It's called Ira Hayes.
576
00:43:28,974 --> 00:43:34,212
The first folk singer signed
at Columbia was not Bob
Dylan, it was Peter La Farge.
577
00:43:34,245 --> 00:43:39,951
* For a thousand years
The sparkling water rushed *
578
00:43:39,985 --> 00:43:43,288
* Till the white man stole
their water rights *
579
00:43:43,321 --> 00:43:47,092
For natives, for the
singer-songwriter, Peter
La Farge was the man.
580
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:51,362
He was addressing the
reality we were going through
and our attitude towards it.
581
00:43:51,396 --> 00:43:53,899
We were listening to
each other's music.
582
00:43:53,932 --> 00:43:58,136
There was a real protest
movement going on about Vietnam.
583
00:43:58,169 --> 00:44:02,107
Universal Soldier on, you know,
I mean, she was an activist;
584
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:06,745
she was the first woman of of
activism that had an audience.
585
00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:11,750
* He's five-foot-two and
he's six-feet-four *
586
00:44:11,783 --> 00:44:15,353
* He fights with missiles
and with spears *
587
00:44:15,386 --> 00:44:19,257
She was very instrumental
in making those images
588
00:44:19,290 --> 00:44:26,131
and those points clear to a very
open and willing audience.
589
00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:34,840
* And he's fighting in Canada
He's fighting in France
He's fighting in the USA *
590
00:44:34,873 --> 00:44:40,345
Unlike my peers in show
business uh, who had never
been to a reservation,
591
00:44:40,378 --> 00:44:51,156
and unlike my peers on
the reservation who had no
clout or power or voice um,
592
00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:53,258
I had those two.
593
00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:56,227
* This is not the way we
put an end to war. *
594
00:44:56,261 --> 00:45:04,235
[song ends/applause]
595
00:45:08,206 --> 00:45:14,212
* Old Custer he split his men
Well, he won't do that again. *
596
00:45:14,245 --> 00:45:18,149
* The general, he don't
ride well anymore. *
597
00:45:18,183 --> 00:45:22,320
Johnny Cash wanted to
make a folk record and he
had seen La Farge before.
598
00:45:22,353 --> 00:45:26,825
And he said, "I have
to meet this musician." And
Johnny Cash felt very connected,
599
00:45:26,858 --> 00:45:30,228
and then they hung out and
spoke and he said, "I want to
take some of your songs
600
00:45:30,261 --> 00:45:32,798
and turn them into a record."
601
00:45:32,831 --> 00:45:35,400
He was in an extremely
high moment in his career
602
00:45:35,433 --> 00:45:39,204
coming off the success
of Ring of Fire.
603
00:45:39,237 --> 00:45:44,242
* I went down, down, down
And the flames went higher *
604
00:45:44,275 --> 00:45:50,949
* And it burns, burns, burns The
ring of fire, the ring of fire *
605
00:45:50,982 --> 00:45:55,053
And even at that moment, riding
the high of these giant hits,
606
00:45:55,086 --> 00:45:59,124
Columbia Records are still
trying to block him
from making this record.
607
00:45:59,157 --> 00:46:01,559
Johnny was fighting and
ready to throw his career away
608
00:46:01,592 --> 00:46:03,361
if they wouldn't put
this record out.
609
00:46:03,394 --> 00:46:06,231
He was going to put it out, you
know, no matter what they said.
610
00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:09,167
He knew this album was
essentially censored and banned.
611
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,505
So Johnny Cash decides to write
a letter about his displeasure.
612
00:46:14,539 --> 00:46:19,177
Line after line of
scathing indictment of
the record industry.
613
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:23,048
And he himself putting the
letter in the record sleeve
614
00:46:23,081 --> 00:46:26,351
and then personally not
just mailing the record
to the specific DJs,
615
00:46:26,384 --> 00:46:31,022
but appearing in the city when
he was performing to the DJ with
the record and saying,
616
00:46:31,056 --> 00:46:32,523
"Just give it a chance."
617
00:46:32,557 --> 00:46:35,426
I've got very little
Indian blood in me myself,
618
00:46:35,460 --> 00:46:38,196
except in my heart I've got
100% for you tonight.
619
00:46:38,229 --> 00:46:42,433
[applause and whistles]
620
00:46:42,467 --> 00:46:46,571
* Gather round me people
There's a story I would tell *
621
00:46:46,604 --> 00:46:50,876
* About a brave young Indian
That we should remember well *
622
00:46:50,909 --> 00:46:53,111
* From the tribe of
the Pima Indian *
623
00:46:53,144 --> 00:46:55,546
* A proud and peaceful band...
624
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:57,983
Well, I asked the DJs, "Why
don't you play Bitter Tears?"
625
00:46:58,016 --> 00:47:01,152
And then it was the same
answer, "Well, it makes
you feel guilty, you know."
626
00:47:01,186 --> 00:47:03,421
"Uh, I didn't
wreck your damn life."
627
00:47:03,454 --> 00:47:06,324
"You know, I didn't
take away your damn
land, it wasn't me."
628
00:47:06,357 --> 00:47:08,393
I'm, "Well, so what?"
629
00:47:08,426 --> 00:47:10,328
"I'm not telling you did,
why don't you put..."
630
00:47:10,361 --> 00:47:11,429
"Well, we can't do
that."
631
00:47:11,462 --> 00:47:21,139
**
632
00:47:21,172 --> 00:47:23,108
Here they were.
633
00:47:23,141 --> 00:47:27,545
They were all hunted down,
up this canyon as far
as those pine trees are,
634
00:47:27,578 --> 00:47:31,549
across the creek over there.
635
00:47:31,582 --> 00:47:33,651
By America banning
that album,
636
00:47:33,684 --> 00:47:37,322
it just closed
everyone's conscience
637
00:47:37,355 --> 00:47:41,192
of the American Indian
and their struggles.
638
00:47:44,629 --> 00:47:48,166
I was no longer a marginalized
person writing Universal Soldier
639
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,536
or talking about Native American
issues in a coffee house.
640
00:47:51,569 --> 00:47:55,240
All of a sudden I was
talking about those things
on big-time television.
641
00:47:55,273 --> 00:47:58,443
And all of a sudden
everything disappeared.
642
00:47:58,476 --> 00:48:00,245
All of a sudden there
was no interest.
643
00:48:04,282 --> 00:48:08,419
And it was only twenty,
twenty-five years later
that in Toronto,
644
00:48:08,453 --> 00:48:12,590
a radio broadcaster started an
interview by apologizing to me
645
00:48:12,623 --> 00:48:16,094
for having gone along
with letters written on
White House stationery
646
00:48:16,127 --> 00:48:20,131
commending them for
supressing my music, which
"deserved to be suppressed."
647
00:48:20,165 --> 00:48:23,634
And that's the way he
started the interview
648
00:48:23,668 --> 00:48:28,606
Apparently, I had FBI files
and got blacklisted, although
I didn't know it at the time.
649
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:32,277
And later on it was the
CIA as well, I understand.
650
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:35,146
They went after Buffy and they
went after a lot of people
651
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:37,382
at that time just to kind
of keep them silenced.
652
00:48:40,618 --> 00:48:45,256
Buffy: I think I could have been
more effective had I not
been gagged in the US.
653
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:47,525
But who was it who
owned the newspapers?
654
00:48:47,558 --> 00:48:49,094
Who owned the
television stations?
655
00:48:49,127 --> 00:48:50,395
Who owned the radio stations?
656
00:48:50,428 --> 00:48:53,264
Were they going to play
Buffy Sainte-Marie? No!
657
00:48:53,298 --> 00:48:55,066
It was the oil companies.
658
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,003
It was people who were digging
for uranium, stealing uranium,
659
00:48:58,036 --> 00:48:59,570
transferring it
into private hands.
660
00:48:59,604 --> 00:49:01,039
That's who owned all that.
661
00:49:01,072 --> 00:49:05,043
You think that they were
going to be making me a star?
I don't think so.
662
00:49:05,076 --> 00:49:17,288
* [soft piano]
663
00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:33,004
* [acoustic blues]
664
00:49:33,038 --> 00:49:43,014
* [acoustic blues]
665
00:49:43,048 --> 00:49:45,583
Well, what Jimi was
doing when he was playing
Hear My Train A Comin',
666
00:49:45,616 --> 00:49:48,286
it was for a television
show, I think.
667
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:53,458
No amps, no pedals, no
wah-wah's, no tricks, no dancing
and no playing with his teeth.
668
00:49:53,491 --> 00:49:58,396
And he's just bringing
pure-the power of the earth
and history through him.
669
00:49:58,429 --> 00:50:03,268
* Waitin' for the train, yeah
670
00:50:03,301 --> 00:50:07,038
He's bringing the Charley
Patton, you know, he's
bringing uh, the Link Wray,
671
00:50:07,072 --> 00:50:10,741
he's bringing all those
things up through him.
672
00:50:10,775 --> 00:50:18,516
Well, I knew he had music in
him, because when he was small,
his daddy bought him a guitar,
673
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:24,122
an old guitar for him to
play on, you know,
around with the boys
674
00:50:24,155 --> 00:50:27,092
and so I knew he was musical.
675
00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:30,795
But I didn't know that he had
that much music in him, you see.
676
00:50:30,828 --> 00:50:34,199
**
677
00:50:34,232 --> 00:50:36,201
My grandma lived to be a
hundred years old,
678
00:50:36,234 --> 00:50:38,103
which is um, amazing
feat to itself but um,
679
00:50:38,136 --> 00:50:41,839
her father was slave, freed.
680
00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:47,445
Her mother was half
Cherokee, and she grew
up on the reservation.
681
00:50:47,478 --> 00:50:50,581
So she always kept
that um, memory
682
00:50:50,615 --> 00:50:56,421
of being proud of
being Cherokee.
683
00:50:56,454 --> 00:50:58,223
Being part Native was very
meaningful to my grandmother.
684
00:50:58,256 --> 00:51:03,094
She talked about that a lot
and really instilled that in
all of us, but especially Jimi.
685
00:51:06,431 --> 00:51:10,568
She was a-a singer, a dancer,
and she was in Vaudeville.
686
00:51:10,601 --> 00:51:15,373
**
687
00:51:15,406 --> 00:51:22,480
She had this beautiful
trunk, and it had feathers
and boas and velvet,
688
00:51:22,513 --> 00:51:25,783
and Jimi used to love
to play in this trunk.
689
00:51:25,816 --> 00:51:29,320
Try on the vests, try on the
hats with a huge feather
690
00:51:29,354 --> 00:51:33,090
and beautiful tan suede coats
that were full of fringe.
691
00:51:36,561 --> 00:51:40,231
Back then, my room was
covered with Jimi posters.
692
00:51:40,265 --> 00:51:43,901
And I used to have to
kind of laugh because
some of the posters,
693
00:51:43,934 --> 00:51:48,906
they made Jimi really dark,
like really like super dark.
694
00:51:48,939 --> 00:51:51,776
And I was just like,
he wasn't that dark.
695
00:51:51,809 --> 00:51:58,849
And he was very, very fair and
he had caramel coloured skin and
beautiful almond-shaped eyes,
696
00:51:58,883 --> 00:52:03,254
and you could definitely
tell he had various cultures
that he was born with.
697
00:52:03,288 --> 00:52:10,261
* [electric guitar riffs]
698
00:52:10,295 --> 00:52:15,866
The package that was Jimi
Hendrix was that indigenous
quality that he had in him
699
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,536
that a lot of people don't know
that he had in him.
700
00:52:18,569 --> 00:52:22,473
But, you know, to bring that
to the stage and celebrate
it through his music
701
00:52:22,507 --> 00:52:25,510
and his presence, you know,
that adds to the power, man.
702
00:52:25,543 --> 00:52:40,458
**
703
00:52:40,491 --> 00:52:42,827
So during that period of
time, now Indians are in.
704
00:52:46,264 --> 00:52:48,233
The hippies, the flower
children emerging.
705
00:52:48,266 --> 00:52:49,834
So they want to be
Indians themselves.
706
00:52:59,944 --> 00:53:03,814
When he went up to Woodstock
you have the beautiful
white jacket with fringe,
707
00:53:03,848 --> 00:53:06,484
with turquoise beading.
708
00:53:06,517 --> 00:53:11,256
Part of it is, yes, it is the
'60s, but for him it was much
more meaningful than that.
709
00:53:11,289 --> 00:53:16,494
When we reached the site
of the Woodstock Festival,
710
00:53:16,527 --> 00:53:19,230
Mitch Mitchell, the
drummer, looked out he
says, "Oh my goodness!"
711
00:53:19,264 --> 00:53:20,598
he'd never seen
that many people before.
712
00:53:20,631 --> 00:53:23,734
And I said, "What is it,
Mitch?" And I looked out
and said, "Oh no!"
713
00:53:23,768 --> 00:53:25,703
[roaring crowd]
714
00:53:25,736 --> 00:53:30,575
And then Jimi looked out
and said, "Hm," with all
the wisdom that he had,
715
00:53:30,608 --> 00:53:32,843
I don't know where he got this
wisdom, but he said,
716
00:53:32,877 --> 00:53:36,981
"You know, those people
are sending a lot of
energy up on stage,
717
00:53:37,014 --> 00:53:41,819
so let us take that
energy, utilize it, and
send it back to them."
718
00:53:41,852 --> 00:53:46,391
[cheers and appluse]
719
00:53:46,424 --> 00:53:52,963
I see that we meet again.
Hmm. Well, well, well.
720
00:53:52,997 --> 00:53:56,401
And when he's doing
the Star Spangled
Banner at Woodstock
721
00:53:56,434 --> 00:54:01,872
it just sounded like
everything that had happened
up to that point in his life,
722
00:54:01,906 --> 00:54:04,809
in his family's life, it
was this amazing collision
723
00:54:04,842 --> 00:54:11,582
of putting what the country was
going through or or his
generation to sound.
724
00:54:11,616 --> 00:54:13,884
You know, it was a
pretty amazing moment.
725
00:54:13,918 --> 00:54:27,598
* [Star Spangled Banner]
726
00:54:27,632 --> 00:54:30,968
I think he was including
all of his frustration
727
00:54:31,001 --> 00:54:33,971
with civil rights,
with racism,
728
00:54:34,004 --> 00:54:37,775
with the war in Vietnam,
with political oppression,
729
00:54:37,808 --> 00:54:39,944
and I think they all
come out in his playing.
730
00:54:39,977 --> 00:54:42,680
I mean, you hear it. He's
painting a picture for you.
731
00:54:42,713 --> 00:54:44,048
All you gotta do is listen.
732
00:54:44,081 --> 00:54:54,825
**
733
00:54:54,859 --> 00:54:57,928
Some people thought at that
time it was sacrilegious.
734
00:54:57,962 --> 00:55:03,401
And my dad got really tense
and he wasn't breathing and
I was like, "Are you OK?"
735
00:55:03,434 --> 00:55:05,903
And he said (shakes her head).
736
00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:09,907
He kept looking over at the
police officer and he said, "I
really..." once it was over,
737
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:13,578
he could breathe, because he
thought the police officer
was going to arrest him,
738
00:55:13,611 --> 00:55:15,813
because you just
didn't do that then.
739
00:55:15,846 --> 00:55:17,348
**
740
00:55:17,382 --> 00:55:20,685
He was very proud.
741
00:55:20,718 --> 00:55:27,358
I mean, he was very proud of
being Native and being African
American and being Scottish.
742
00:55:27,392 --> 00:55:31,696
It's part of your legacy;
it's part of your heritage;
it's part of who you are
743
00:55:31,729 --> 00:55:33,798
and what you want to
reflect and represent.
744
00:55:38,903 --> 00:55:41,706
It's kind of the American
superhero in a way.
745
00:55:41,739 --> 00:55:46,611
It's like, he's a little bit
of everything and uh, and,
but none of it's diluted.
746
00:55:46,644 --> 00:55:50,147
It's like he's more
powerful because of it.
747
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:54,084
**
748
00:55:57,154 --> 00:55:58,689
[car horn honking]
749
00:55:58,723 --> 00:56:08,733
* [rock 'n' roll]
750
00:56:08,766 --> 00:56:15,506
* [rock 'n' roll]
751
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:23,581
Yonge Street from when
I was very young, it
was a centre of music
752
00:56:23,614 --> 00:56:26,451
that I didn't know
how things were
753
00:56:26,484 --> 00:56:30,555
in Chicago or
Detroit of New York,
754
00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:33,624
but Yonge Street was on fire.
755
00:56:33,658 --> 00:56:42,500
**
756
00:56:42,533 --> 00:56:45,703
You'd try to listen
through the doors or
peek through the windows,
757
00:56:45,736 --> 00:56:48,439
and then somebody would
go in one of these places
758
00:56:48,473 --> 00:56:50,675
and you would hear the
music come flooding out
759
00:56:50,708 --> 00:56:55,646
and it would be like, "Oh,
did you hear that?" you know,
just those few seconds.
760
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:02,720
* [Bo-Diddley]
761
00:57:02,753 --> 00:57:07,091
When I was sixteen,
Ronnie Hawkins hired me
to play in the Hawks.
762
00:57:07,124 --> 00:57:11,228
**
763
00:57:11,261 --> 00:57:13,598
All of a sudden, they
were our Beatles.
764
00:57:13,631 --> 00:57:16,667
These guys could do no wrong.
They just killed me.
765
00:57:16,701 --> 00:57:21,572
* Hey, Bo Diddley!
766
00:57:21,606 --> 00:57:24,642
And Robbie was just outrageous.
767
00:57:24,675 --> 00:57:32,216
He'd launch into a solo and we'd
just stand there and think, "Oh
my God, listen to this guy play.
768
00:57:32,249 --> 00:57:33,818
How does he do that?"
769
00:57:33,851 --> 00:57:38,022
* [solo guitar]
770
00:57:38,055 --> 00:57:43,494
Robbie came up with
something that I hadn't
heard anybody else do.
771
00:57:43,528 --> 00:57:46,897
He just didn't play
like anybody else.
772
00:57:46,931 --> 00:57:50,735
**
773
00:58:01,278 --> 00:58:06,784
* [bluegrass band]
774
00:58:06,817 --> 00:58:12,957
**
775
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:19,930
My real guitar lessons were at
the Six Nation Indian Reserve.
776
00:58:19,964 --> 00:58:28,038
All my cousins, uncles,
aunts, everybody, seemed like
they could play an instrument.
777
00:58:28,072 --> 00:58:40,017
* Oh, sometimes I can see
The things you wanted me to be *
778
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:47,592
This mix between a
Native kind of music and a
country kind of music.
779
00:58:47,625 --> 00:58:50,294
So I thought, well, this
is just what you do.
780
00:58:50,327 --> 00:58:54,732
I've got to learn how
to do this. I've got to
get into this club.
781
00:58:54,765 --> 00:58:58,669
And there was this
key expression,
782
00:58:58,703 --> 00:59:02,607
"Be proud you're an
Indian, but be careful
who you tell."
783
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,911
**
784
00:59:06,944 --> 00:59:10,180
And I used to tell everybody
that one of these days
785
00:59:10,214 --> 00:59:13,684
I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna
play music all over the world.
786
00:59:13,718 --> 00:59:19,790
And they'd be like, "You
know, we don't want to see
you get a broken heart,
787
00:59:19,824 --> 00:59:22,359
because that doesn't
happen to people like us."
788
00:59:22,392 --> 00:59:26,764
**
789
00:59:26,797 --> 00:59:32,102
I was like, "No, no, no, you
can't spoil my dream. I'm in the
middle of it." You know.
790
00:59:32,136 --> 00:59:34,371
"Don't wake me up now."
791
00:59:34,404 --> 00:59:37,975
And so I went and I
pursued these things.
792
00:59:38,008 --> 00:59:43,380
And then joining up with
Bob Dylan, and then we're
in a musical revolution now.
793
00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:46,851
Now we're doing something
that has reverberations
around the world.
794
00:59:46,884 --> 00:59:48,786
Don't boo me anymore.
795
00:59:48,819 --> 00:59:52,356
Don't boo me, God they're
booing, I can't stand it.
796
00:59:52,389 --> 00:59:55,192
Oh my God, it's hard to get
in tune when they're booing!
797
00:59:55,225 --> 00:59:59,396
When Bob decided to take a
band out, he chose the Hawks.
798
00:59:59,429 --> 01:00:01,331
Just as the folk
world's starting to
799
01:00:01,365 --> 01:00:04,902
finally relate to
him, he leaves.
800
01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:09,606
He plugs in, causing
enormous reactions.
801
01:00:14,244 --> 01:00:17,347
That group considered
electrified rock
and roll commercial.
802
01:00:19,984 --> 01:00:22,753
And therefore, a
betrayal politically.
803
01:00:22,787 --> 01:00:25,389
And I think they
caught the brunt of it.
804
01:00:25,422 --> 01:00:30,761
I think then Dylan says, "Play
it fuckin' loud." And they
played Like a Rolling Stone.
805
01:00:30,795 --> 01:00:34,732
And Robbie is there
literally, I think he said,
"Play it fuckin' loud."
806
01:00:34,765 --> 01:00:36,000
Bang! He turned it up.
807
01:00:36,033 --> 01:00:47,077
* [Like a Rolling Stone]
808
01:00:47,111 --> 01:00:49,246
And they were
phenomenal, all right.
809
01:00:49,279 --> 01:00:52,883
This is one of the
greatest--the band's greatest
tours ever in history.
810
01:00:52,917 --> 01:00:56,887
**
811
01:00:56,921 --> 01:00:58,756
And people would boo.
812
01:00:58,789 --> 01:01:10,234
[boos mixed with applause]
813
01:01:10,267 --> 01:01:16,406
Every night in every place
we'd play, people would
boo and throw stuff at you.
814
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,977
You'd pack up your equipment and
you'd go on to the next place
815
01:01:20,010 --> 01:01:22,980
and people would boo you
and throw stuff at you.
816
01:01:23,013 --> 01:01:27,351
And you'd think, "What
a strange way to make a
buck, you know."
817
01:01:27,384 --> 01:01:31,922
Robbie Robertson told me,
he says, "We started
taping the shows to listen
818
01:01:31,956 --> 01:01:34,491
in the hotel room because we're
like, what are we missing here?
819
01:01:34,524 --> 01:01:37,427
Why-why-why are we-why
are they booing this?
820
01:01:37,461 --> 01:01:40,164
Because this sounds
pretty good to me."
821
01:01:40,197 --> 01:01:44,334
But after a while, we got so
we were doing it really well,
822
01:01:44,368 --> 01:01:47,905
and there was an attitude
towards the music.
823
01:01:47,938 --> 01:01:55,212
And uh, a violence and a
dynamic and something that you
just didn't hear anywhere else.
824
01:01:55,245 --> 01:02:01,318
And as that grew, I started to
think, which is pretty bold,
825
01:02:01,351 --> 01:02:04,121
we're right, and
the world is wrong.
826
01:02:04,154 --> 01:02:07,024
* [The Band: Cripple Creek]
827
01:02:07,057 --> 01:02:09,293
* That's when that
little love of mine *
828
01:02:09,326 --> 01:02:13,130
* Dips her donut in my tea
829
01:02:13,163 --> 01:02:16,433
* Up on Cripple Creek
she sends me *
830
01:02:16,466 --> 01:02:19,970
* If I spring a leak,
she mends me *
831
01:02:20,004 --> 01:02:23,307
* I don't have to
speak; she defends me *
832
01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:30,147
* A drunkard's dream if
I ever did see one. *
833
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:35,853
The entire industry got
right back to song-writing
and Robbie Robertson,
834
01:02:35,886 --> 01:02:39,857
one of the great song
writers of all time, had
effectuated that change
835
01:02:39,890 --> 01:02:43,527
by his own sensibility and
the band's sensibility.
836
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,331
**
837
01:02:47,364 --> 01:02:50,200
It seems like at a time when
everything was psychedelic
and all this stuff,
838
01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:55,239
then The Band came out
and they kind of brought
everything back to earth.
839
01:02:55,272 --> 01:02:57,808
I mean, Clapton wanted
to be in The Band.
840
01:02:57,842 --> 01:02:59,476
And George Harrison
wanted to be in The Band.
841
01:02:59,509 --> 01:03:00,911
Everybody wanted
to be in The Band.
842
01:03:06,350 --> 01:03:11,288
They became instant
classics, and they were
milestones in American music,
843
01:03:11,321 --> 01:03:12,857
because it was a new standard.
844
01:03:15,625 --> 01:03:20,264
We wanted it to be more than
just a concert, we wanted
it to be a celebration.
845
01:03:20,297 --> 01:03:22,499
He said that The Band is gonna
give its last performance
846
01:03:22,532 --> 01:03:25,402
and they're gonna have
all these guests.
847
01:03:25,435 --> 01:03:27,237
Everyone from Van Morrison
and Muddy Waters
848
01:03:27,271 --> 01:03:31,475
to Joni Mitchell, Neil Young,
you know, Ronnie Hawkins.
849
01:03:31,508 --> 01:03:37,614
I said, "Well, forget it." I
said, "This has somehow
gotta be recorded."
850
01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:43,320
* The night they drove
Old Dixie down *
851
01:03:43,353 --> 01:03:46,156
* And all the people were
singing, they went *
852
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:49,626
* Nah nah nah nah nah
853
01:03:49,659 --> 01:03:52,162
Listen to the lyrics of The
Night They Drove Old Dixie Down
854
01:03:52,196 --> 01:03:54,098
over and over again and still
find something new.
855
01:03:54,131 --> 01:03:58,168
It's still, when you hear their
music, it's not of the past.
856
01:03:58,202 --> 01:03:59,403
It's of the present.
857
01:04:05,509 --> 01:04:09,379
[cheering]
858
01:04:20,624 --> 01:04:26,630
[hum of the city]
859
01:04:26,663 --> 01:04:31,035
My name is B. Mitchell
Reid and I'm talking here
with Jesse Ed Davis.
860
01:04:31,068 --> 01:04:33,037
How'd you pick up a guitar?
861
01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:35,339
Jimmy Reed and Elvis
Presley came on.
862
01:04:35,372 --> 01:04:36,941
That really did it for me.
863
01:04:36,974 --> 01:04:46,984
**
864
01:04:47,017 --> 01:04:53,323
**
865
01:04:53,357 --> 01:04:57,928
I can't say enough about how
valuable Jesse Davis was.
866
01:05:02,099 --> 01:05:08,538
He had a special touch, special
sound for the blues, which
I love the way he played.
867
01:05:08,572 --> 01:05:12,242
When I listen to his solo to
this day I hear every note.
868
01:05:12,276 --> 01:05:15,512
But with Jesse Ed you
always felt like there was
more in his back pocket.
869
01:05:15,545 --> 01:05:18,983
You never felt like you
got everything he had.
870
01:05:19,016 --> 01:05:28,258
**
871
01:05:28,292 --> 01:05:32,496
I particularly fell in
love with Jesse Edwin Davis
because he was with Taj Mahal,
872
01:05:32,529 --> 01:05:37,001
and Taj's album is what
spurred me to rock more.
873
01:05:37,034 --> 01:05:38,535
That-that touched
something inside of me.
874
01:05:38,568 --> 01:05:44,608
**
875
01:05:44,641 --> 01:05:48,979
So we're playing live
at the Whisky a Go Go.
876
01:05:49,013 --> 01:05:51,615
I usually played my harmonica
with my eyes closed.
877
01:05:51,648 --> 01:05:55,119
And I happened to open
them up in the middle and
looked down on the floor
878
01:05:55,152 --> 01:06:02,392
and there's Mick Jagger dancing;
there's Brian Jones dancing;
there is Keith Richards dancing.
879
01:06:02,426 --> 01:06:04,261
And it was just one
of the best times.
880
01:06:04,294 --> 01:06:06,130
It was just--it couldn't
have been better.
881
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:21,445
And somewhere along the last
part of November, eight tickets
came to our manager's office.
882
01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:25,149
First-class round trip
tickets on BOAC to London.
883
01:06:25,182 --> 01:06:28,052
And to be asked to
the Rolling Stones.
884
01:06:28,085 --> 01:06:29,219
The rest is history.
885
01:06:29,253 --> 01:06:33,323
**
886
01:06:33,357 --> 01:06:37,127
I don't think Taj was selling
a lot of records at that point,
887
01:06:37,161 --> 01:06:40,397
but then they went to
England and did the
Rock and Roll Circus.
888
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:50,774
**
889
01:06:50,807 --> 01:06:53,610
And Jesse met John Lennon.
890
01:06:53,643 --> 01:06:56,513
And they hit it off
like long lost brothers.
891
01:06:56,546 --> 01:06:59,049
And so of course John just
fell in love with this guy.
892
01:06:59,083 --> 01:07:03,653
**
893
01:07:03,687 --> 01:07:08,258
When Jesse went over and they
found out that he was Native,
894
01:07:08,292 --> 01:07:12,229
they were so enthralled
with that, they took to
him right away.
895
01:07:12,262 --> 01:07:17,501
I gotta commend him for being
bold enough to come right out
and being proud of his culture
896
01:07:17,534 --> 01:07:20,337
and proud of his blood line.
897
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:23,207
Jesse had a bit of
exotic about him too.
898
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:32,482
He was Native American, he was
a cool dresser, and he played
great, tight, dynamic blues.
899
01:07:32,516 --> 01:07:37,554
And the British rock
aristocracy, they
loved this, you know.
900
01:07:37,587 --> 01:07:40,657
This is something they
can't get naturally.
901
01:07:40,690 --> 01:07:42,392
They have to import it.
902
01:07:42,426 --> 01:07:45,529
So that's why Jesse
became such a go-to guy.
903
01:07:45,562 --> 01:07:48,298
John Lennon loved
Jesse Ed over the moon.
904
01:07:48,332 --> 01:07:52,369
He thought he was one
of the greatest guitar
players he's ever heard.
905
01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:54,804
That's how I got into
the Bangladesh concert.
906
01:07:54,838 --> 01:07:59,809
About two days before the
concert, Eric Clapton
came down really sick
907
01:07:59,843 --> 01:08:02,879
and George called me up and
said, "Look, will you play?"
908
01:08:02,912 --> 01:08:05,149
And of course I said yes.
909
01:08:05,182 --> 01:08:06,483
I just jumped at the chance.
910
01:08:06,516 --> 01:08:08,252
This is Jesse Ed Davis.
911
01:08:08,285 --> 01:08:11,655
[applause]
912
01:08:11,688 --> 01:08:13,523
Everybody wanted to
use him at that point.
913
01:08:13,557 --> 01:08:17,894
Here he is with the
Beatles, Clapton, you
know uh, the biggest,
914
01:08:17,927 --> 01:08:21,798
most important musicians in
the world, they all wanted him.
915
01:08:21,831 --> 01:08:26,170
When I was making my first
record I thought, you know,
like I get Jesse Ed to play,
916
01:08:26,203 --> 01:08:30,707
and I called him and he
listened to the song I had in
mind for him to play
917
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:33,810
and he said, "I don't really
hear myself playing on this.
918
01:08:33,843 --> 01:08:35,745
You got
anything else?"
919
01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:41,718
I said, "Yeah, well, okay,
cue up that other song."
920
01:08:41,751 --> 01:08:46,323
And uh, and that other song
was the song that he wound up
playing on Doctor my Eyes.
921
01:08:46,356 --> 01:08:49,893
He played it once. He listened
to it for a minute and he said,
922
01:08:49,926 --> 01:08:52,396
"Okay, I can play this.
this. I can play on this."
923
01:08:52,429 --> 01:08:58,468
And he says, "Just cue it
up and I--" he goes out and
he's tuning his guitar.
924
01:08:58,502 --> 01:09:00,103
I mean, I wound up
just recording everything.
925
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:05,875
I said, "You better record
everything." So he tunes up as
he's getting to the solo
926
01:09:05,909 --> 01:09:08,312
and he says, "OK,
that's the solo? OK."
927
01:09:08,345 --> 01:09:12,516
And he didn't do the whole
length of it or anything like
that, he's like, "OK."
928
01:09:12,549 --> 01:09:14,851
And he played this solo once.
929
01:09:14,884 --> 01:09:24,861
* [solo from Doctor, My Eyes]
930
01:09:24,894 --> 01:09:30,867
My record comes out and he's
shocked to find out that it's a
hit; it's like a top ten hit.
931
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:35,539
Like, he's all over the
place; everybody's saying,
"Who is that guitar player?"
932
01:09:35,572 --> 01:09:39,909
And people still want
to play that solo if
they play that song.
933
01:09:39,943 --> 01:09:46,383
* Doctor, my Eyes
Cannot see the sky *
934
01:09:53,423 --> 01:09:57,561
He was hanging out with
some very important people,
big rock 'n' roll people,
935
01:09:57,594 --> 01:10:02,966
who were very into heroin.
And they just did it.
936
01:10:02,999 --> 01:10:06,002
It was like, "Want
to try some of this?"
-"Sure."
937
01:10:06,035 --> 01:10:10,840
The Jesse Ed that I knew
before he left on the, uh, Rod
Stewart and Faces tour
938
01:10:10,874 --> 01:10:12,976
was not the Jesse
that came home.
939
01:10:15,312 --> 01:10:19,249
He came back from that tour a
junkie, and he wasn't before.
940
01:10:21,785 --> 01:10:27,457
He went and checked into
yet another rehab for Indian
people: the Eagle Lodge.
941
01:10:27,491 --> 01:10:29,759
And by then I was done.
942
01:10:29,793 --> 01:10:34,798
I'm, like, "Show me a year; I
want to see that one year chip
or don't bother coming home."
943
01:10:34,831 --> 01:10:39,469
In 1985 I was speaking
at Cal State Long Beach and
Jesse was in a halfway house,
944
01:10:39,503 --> 01:10:41,838
the Eagle Lodge Halfway
House in Long Beach
945
01:10:41,871 --> 01:10:45,542
and so that whole crew from
that halfway house came to
my speaking thing.
946
01:10:45,575 --> 01:10:49,946
And then Jesse introduced
himself and the first thing
he did was he me his name
947
01:10:49,979 --> 01:10:53,517
and the second thing he
said to me was he could
make music from my words.
948
01:10:53,550 --> 01:10:56,820
See, and I had been
looking for two years
for somebody to do that.
949
01:10:56,853 --> 01:10:58,555
* Grafitti Man's got
something to say *
950
01:10:58,588 --> 01:11:00,990
*
951
01:11:01,024 --> 01:11:02,426
* Message in a scrawl
952
01:11:02,459 --> 01:11:03,793
* Message on the wall
953
01:11:03,827 --> 01:11:06,363
* Put on blinders!
954
01:11:06,396 --> 01:11:12,969
Grafitti Man with John Trudell;
I thought this was so original
955
01:11:13,002 --> 01:11:19,609
and there was something just
beautiful about what
they were doing together.
956
01:11:19,643 --> 01:11:25,882
And Bob Dylan got a copy of
it and he did this interview
with Rolling Stone
957
01:11:25,915 --> 01:11:28,051
and he said it was the
best album of the year.
958
01:11:28,084 --> 01:11:30,420
He's the one that
got attention to us.
959
01:11:33,423 --> 01:11:36,960
This is '85 when they did
the first record and he
was completely sober
960
01:11:36,993 --> 01:11:39,796
the entire time he was doing it.
961
01:11:39,829 --> 01:11:43,533
I know he was because I'm
the Sobriety Sargent-at-Arms,
and so is John.
962
01:11:43,567 --> 01:11:45,835
[laughs]
963
01:11:45,869 --> 01:11:49,739
When he showed up in my
life, ex-drug-addict; he's
fightin' a habit
964
01:11:49,773 --> 01:11:52,842
and I'm an ex-kicked out
militant political activist.
965
01:11:52,876 --> 01:11:55,078
You know, there's no
demographic for us. Fuck.
966
01:11:55,111 --> 01:11:56,446
[laugh]
967
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,448
I mean in reality who's
gonna take us on?
968
01:11:58,482 --> 01:12:00,083
Because there's no
demographic for that.
969
01:12:00,116 --> 01:12:07,357
**
970
01:12:07,391 --> 01:12:12,896
I'm real proud to be playing
with John Trudell and I'm
real proud to be an Indian.
971
01:12:12,929 --> 01:12:18,902
And this is, uh, something I
hope that doesn't go by you,
what we're trying to do.
972
01:12:18,935 --> 01:12:22,806
**
973
01:12:22,839 --> 01:12:28,778
What Jesse did was he brought
me music, he gave me a band;
974
01:12:28,812 --> 01:12:31,014
he dressed me up as a
rock 'n' roller.
975
01:12:31,047 --> 01:12:35,485
He put me on stage, helped
me learn how to be on stage,
and then he checked out.
976
01:12:35,519 --> 01:12:36,986
(chuckles)
That's what Jesse did.
977
01:12:37,020 --> 01:12:38,755
I mean that's the
way I look at it.
978
01:12:38,788 --> 01:12:42,726
**
979
01:12:42,759 --> 01:12:46,796
Now here's a guy who can play
guitar; can make you cry
980
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:50,434
and make you laugh
and make you think.
981
01:12:50,467 --> 01:12:57,073
Yet he was self-medicating
himself to a degree; he must
have been in so much pain
982
01:12:57,106 --> 01:13:00,544
that he was taking so
much medicine that it
eventually killed him.
983
01:13:00,577 --> 01:13:04,180
And they found him dead on
the floor of the laundry
room of his apartment building
984
01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,850
in Culver City with
a needle in his arm.
985
01:13:06,883 --> 01:13:09,886
So the demons came back.
986
01:13:09,919 --> 01:13:12,889
If he had been cleaned up,
something got him back.
987
01:13:12,922 --> 01:13:16,660
It broke my heart.
988
01:13:16,693 --> 01:13:21,865
We thought our contribution
was really very positive.
989
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:26,936
We walked the land, played
the music that we loved.
990
01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:32,008
And, uh, some of us
lived to talk about it.
(chuckle)
991
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:44,020
* [Doctor, My Eyes solo]
992
01:13:44,053 --> 01:13:46,723
There's nobody who
plays like him.
993
01:13:46,756 --> 01:13:49,859
He's not gone;
he is everywhere.
994
01:13:49,893 --> 01:13:53,997
I can't put a radio on,
I can't go to the market...
anywhere-he's everywhere.
995
01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:58,835
**
996
01:13:58,868 --> 01:14:03,573
I want that music to
continue to bring joy and
blow people's minds always,
997
01:14:03,607 --> 01:14:05,942
and it always will.
998
01:14:05,975 --> 01:14:12,181
* Doctor, my eyes
Cannot see the sky *
999
01:14:12,215 --> 01:14:19,523
* Is this the prize For
having learned how
not to cry? *
1000
01:14:28,164 --> 01:14:30,867
That's why Pat and Lolly Vegas
ask you, Do you want to dance?
1001
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:39,042
**
1002
01:14:39,075 --> 01:14:42,646
* Do you wanna dance
and hold my hand? *
1003
01:14:42,679 --> 01:14:45,181
* Tell me I'm your lovin' man
1004
01:14:45,214 --> 01:14:49,653
* Oh baby, do you wanna dance?
1005
01:14:49,686 --> 01:14:51,220
My grandfather had a guitar.
1006
01:14:51,254 --> 01:14:53,957
He set it above the armoire,
you know, and he said,
1007
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:56,225
"When you can reach that
guitar you can have it."
1008
01:14:56,259 --> 01:14:59,128
And, uh-so I stood on
a chair and took it. (laugh)
1009
01:14:59,162 --> 01:15:02,131
* Do you wanna dance?
1010
01:15:02,165 --> 01:15:03,833
I just got the bug, you know.
1011
01:15:03,867 --> 01:15:06,169
Once I got it, that
was it; it was over.
1012
01:15:06,202 --> 01:15:08,772
That's all I wanted
to do, you know.
1013
01:15:08,805 --> 01:15:12,208
My brother and I, we
said we're either gonna
go to New York or L.A.
1014
01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:15,779
to pursue the music, to
pursue the dream, you know?
1015
01:15:15,812 --> 01:15:17,947
And, uh, we flipped a
coin; it came out L.A.
1016
01:15:17,981 --> 01:15:23,720
**
1017
01:15:23,753 --> 01:15:27,023
Was it hard? Like, when you
guys first came to Hollywood,
1018
01:15:27,056 --> 01:15:29,158
two guys from northern
California; you know, dark skin.
1019
01:15:29,192 --> 01:15:32,095
I know it must have
been hard for you to
get jobs and shit so.
1020
01:15:32,128 --> 01:15:33,529
Yeah, 'cause they
weren't hiring.
1021
01:15:33,563 --> 01:15:38,267
The Sunset Strip and
Hollywood wasn't hiring
anybody that was ethnic.
1022
01:15:38,301 --> 01:15:42,706
Like black or brown. You
had to be strictly white.
1023
01:15:42,739 --> 01:15:48,845
Announcer: Now? Another
Gazzarri hotspot! Hollywood A
Go-Go on the Sunset Strip!
1024
01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:53,249
These are the lucky ones;
they got inside. Not
everyone was so fortunate.
1025
01:15:53,282 --> 01:15:56,786
We went and played at
Gazzarri's on the Strip. It
used to be a block, two blocks
1026
01:15:56,820 --> 01:16:00,223
down the street waiting
to get in every night,
seven days a week.
1027
01:16:00,256 --> 01:16:02,191
Did they have all sorts of
different bands rotating out?
1028
01:16:02,225 --> 01:16:05,028
No, just one band.
Headlining Vegas.
1029
01:16:05,061 --> 01:16:11,100
* Oh, baby! Do you
wanna dance? *
1030
01:16:11,134 --> 01:16:14,938
We were wearing really
nice mohair suits
with nice black shoes.
1031
01:16:14,971 --> 01:16:17,306
* Do you, do you, do
you wanna dance? *
1032
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:21,244
And we did our Cajun set
and we wore bib overalls.
1033
01:16:21,277 --> 01:16:25,649
I had to keep changing so I
had to do something that we
could actually hold onto
1034
01:16:25,682 --> 01:16:28,217
and it would be ours.
1035
01:16:28,251 --> 01:16:32,055
Jimi was one of the people
that supported us the most.
1036
01:16:32,088 --> 01:16:37,160
He's the one that told us
in the very beginning, "Do
the Indian thing, man."
1037
01:16:37,193 --> 01:16:41,097
To see them on Midnight Special
doing Come And Get Your Love
1038
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:43,633
in full regalia
1039
01:16:43,667 --> 01:16:47,804
doing the drum chants before
they would go into one of
their hit records...
1040
01:16:47,837 --> 01:16:51,007
That was actually-that
was pretty heavy.
1041
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:56,145
* [chanting]
1042
01:16:56,179 --> 01:16:58,414
Pat: We used to mic
the floor, you know.
1043
01:16:58,447 --> 01:17:02,351
So when we came out, the
stomping sounded like a
herd of buffalo coming.
1044
01:17:02,385 --> 01:17:04,087
You know what I mean?
It really sounded loud.
1045
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,323
**
1046
01:17:07,356 --> 01:17:13,129
There we were, uh, four young
Native Americans doing these
chants, these primitive chants
1047
01:17:13,162 --> 01:17:15,832
and then all of a sudden
going to this rock 'n' roll.
1048
01:17:15,865 --> 01:17:19,202
And then put the two together
and the people would just say,
1049
01:17:19,235 --> 01:17:22,038
"Wow, what's going on?
What's going on here?"
1050
01:17:22,071 --> 01:17:28,277
[song changes to pop tune]
1051
01:17:28,311 --> 01:17:39,122
* Hell, hell, what's the
matter with your head? *
1052
01:17:39,155 --> 01:17:40,556
They couldn't believe it.
1053
01:17:40,589 --> 01:17:45,228
Here they are, these four
Indians, with you know,
garb and moccasins
1054
01:17:45,261 --> 01:17:49,298
and all the things that
they've seen in film actually
playing rock, you know.
1055
01:17:49,332 --> 01:17:53,737
And our album came out
and it just took off
and it went crazy.
1056
01:17:53,770 --> 01:17:58,141
You know Come And
Get Your Love , it's in
Guardians of the Galaxy .
1057
01:17:58,174 --> 01:18:05,749
* Hell, hell what the matter
with your head yeah *
1058
01:18:05,782 --> 01:18:11,220
When the hero is marching
through the alien landscape
knocking off monsters
1059
01:18:11,254 --> 01:18:14,057
and all this stuff, he's
strutting to Redbone.
1060
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:19,729
**
1061
01:18:19,763 --> 01:18:22,732
There's a real conqueror's
vibe to that song.
1062
01:18:22,766 --> 01:18:26,235
It's a great track;
it's a great song and
they were a great band.
1063
01:18:26,269 --> 01:18:27,904
And they're great
artists, you know.
1064
01:18:27,937 --> 01:18:37,346
Uh, it's not easy to come up
with a really accessible,
funky, heartfelt hit single;
1065
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:39,749
that's not an easy thing
to do and they did it.
1066
01:18:39,783 --> 01:18:47,991
* Come and get your love
Come and get your love *
1067
01:18:48,024 --> 01:18:53,897
You can be explicitly political
and make an important point,
1068
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:57,500
but ultimately getting
through is the best revenge.
1069
01:18:57,533 --> 01:19:00,503
You want to do it with class;
you want to do it with dignity.
1070
01:19:00,536 --> 01:19:02,405
And Redbone did that.
1071
01:19:02,438 --> 01:19:05,341
They had the class; they had
the dignity; they had the hooks.
1072
01:19:05,374 --> 01:19:06,442
And they got through.
1073
01:19:06,475 --> 01:19:08,011
So they win.
1074
01:19:08,044 --> 01:19:10,246
**
1075
01:19:10,279 --> 01:19:14,283
[cheers]
1076
01:19:26,062 --> 01:19:29,498
I come from, uh, East
Los Angeles, California,
living in the barrios.
1077
01:19:29,532 --> 01:19:31,267
I lived in the barrios.
You did? Where?
1078
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:32,902
I was in east L.A.
on Geraghty.
1079
01:19:32,936 --> 01:19:34,170
Dude, I lived in
Boyle Heights-Dogtown.
1080
01:19:34,203 --> 01:19:35,104
I was in Geraghty, dude.
1081
01:19:35,138 --> 01:19:36,305
Wow!
1082
01:19:36,339 --> 01:19:37,640
Yes, East L.A.
Represent, Dude.
1083
01:19:41,044 --> 01:19:44,147
Bass line off of your
song it mirrors, uh,
the song we had, uh,
1084
01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:46,315
calledLet's Get It Started
that we did in 2003.
1085
01:19:46,349 --> 01:19:48,051
Yeah, I loved that.
1086
01:19:48,084 --> 01:19:50,386
Yeah, it's got that-it's
got that haunting, like,
walking, like,
1087
01:19:50,419 --> 01:19:52,922
* domp, domp, domp, domp, domp,
domp, domp, domp, domp, *
Ghost Spirit.
1088
01:19:52,956 --> 01:20:04,100
**
1089
01:20:04,133 --> 01:20:05,969
You got twenty-five thousand
people in an audience
1090
01:20:06,002 --> 01:20:07,536
singing Let's Get It Started ,
1091
01:20:07,570 --> 01:20:10,874
dancing to that bass line and
people are going bananas.
1092
01:20:14,143 --> 01:20:17,180
The Black Eyed Peas sold
sixty million records
around the world.
1093
01:20:20,349 --> 01:20:25,354
I grew up understanding
my Mexican roots more
than my Native roots.
1094
01:20:25,388 --> 01:20:28,357
There has to be something
that sparks you and some
people will be, like,
1095
01:20:28,391 --> 01:20:33,596
"Well, it was my dad or
my mom." But honestly for
me it was my grandma.
1096
01:20:33,629 --> 01:20:36,565
When I went to my
grandmother as I got older,
1097
01:20:36,599 --> 01:20:40,403
she would start breaking out
the old old photo albums.
1098
01:20:40,436 --> 01:20:45,441
By bringing me into her culture,
which was, uh, Shoshone,
1099
01:20:45,474 --> 01:20:50,113
it set me into understanding
where I come from.
1100
01:20:50,146 --> 01:20:51,814
It started making sense to him.
1101
01:20:51,847 --> 01:20:56,419
Like, "Why do I feel this way?
Why do I hear things this way?
Why do I dance this way?
1102
01:20:56,452 --> 01:21:00,890
And can fit these
rhythms in that are
neither black nor white.
1103
01:21:00,924 --> 01:21:04,527
I started realizing how
important and how beautiful
1104
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,963
being Shoshone and
being Mexican were.
1105
01:21:06,996 --> 01:21:20,243
* [mix of new piece and Come
and Get your Love] *
1106
01:21:20,276 --> 01:21:24,147
When you hear something
that you sparked off and
inspired so many people
1107
01:21:24,180 --> 01:21:26,983
and you weren't aware of
that and it just takes you
by surprise-
1108
01:21:27,016 --> 01:21:28,551
Yeah. Yeah. It
was inspiring.
1109
01:21:28,584 --> 01:21:30,186
You know, I-I want
to do another one.
1110
01:21:30,219 --> 01:21:32,655
[laughter]
1111
01:21:32,688 --> 01:21:35,959
You know, I love that you and I
come from the same background.
1112
01:21:35,992 --> 01:21:41,497
Our stories are similar and
it's good to see positive
brothers trying to inspire.
1113
01:21:41,530 --> 01:21:45,568
That just lifts me up;
I'm off the ground
right now, you know.
1114
01:21:45,601 --> 01:21:47,503
That's a beautiful
thing for me.
1115
01:21:47,536 --> 01:21:50,639
**
1116
01:21:57,446 --> 01:22:03,519
* [heavy metal]
1117
01:22:03,552 --> 01:22:11,227
* [Motley Crue's Girls,
Girls, Girls!] *
1118
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:21,404
**
1119
01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:24,607
Rock 'n' roll !
Heavy metal !
Party!
Rock's bitchin!
1120
01:22:28,444 --> 01:22:30,746
I moved to L.A. in 1985.
1121
01:22:30,779 --> 01:22:35,051
The Sunset Strip back then was
packed and crazy every night.
1122
01:22:35,084 --> 01:22:39,755
All the girls had like
no clothes on; all the
guys had crazy hair.
1123
01:22:39,788 --> 01:22:43,993
You'd be in front of
the Roxy and you'd see
Axl, Slash, Matt Sorum,
1124
01:22:44,027 --> 01:22:47,696
you'd see all these guys who
were pretty much gonna be
the future of rock 'n' roll,
1125
01:22:47,730 --> 01:22:50,766
I mean everybody was there.
1126
01:22:50,799 --> 01:22:54,670
I wanted to be a rock
star; I didn't want to be
like an "Indian rock star"
1127
01:22:54,703 --> 01:22:56,505
I wanted just to be a rock star.
1128
01:22:56,539 --> 01:22:59,542
I was homeless, I was
broke, but I knew I
was going to have to
1129
01:22:59,575 --> 01:23:02,578
come up with some kind of
of identity if I was
going to make it.
1130
01:23:02,611 --> 01:23:07,083
In L.A., I really didn't
fit in because I wasn't
black and I wasn't white.
1131
01:23:07,116 --> 01:23:10,319
So I was a rock guy but I
really loved black music.
1132
01:23:10,353 --> 01:23:14,123
I was playing with George
Clinton and Bootsy Collins
1133
01:23:14,157 --> 01:23:16,559
and everyone in town
thought I was this super
funk guitar player.
1134
01:23:16,592 --> 01:23:19,762
But the truth is they
wouldn't even let me play any
funk on their records at all;
1135
01:23:19,795 --> 01:23:22,098
they'd only let me play rock.
1136
01:23:22,131 --> 01:23:24,467
But I'd watch them and
I'd learn, because those
guys could play funk
1137
01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:27,770
like on a whole other level.
1138
01:23:27,803 --> 01:23:30,706
Then I'd get around my white
friends and I'd play some funk
1139
01:23:30,739 --> 01:23:33,576
and then my funk would blow
their funk away, right,
1140
01:23:33,609 --> 01:23:36,045
so to them they all thought I
was this funk guy.
1141
01:23:36,079 --> 01:23:39,148
All of the sudden I'm at
the Philadelphia Spectrum
playing in front of
1142
01:23:39,182 --> 01:23:42,351
25, 000 people with Rod
Stewart rupping a solo
on the song Dynamite .
1143
01:23:42,385 --> 01:23:49,325
**
1144
01:23:49,358 --> 01:23:53,229
I mean this whole thing was
madness to me. I mean, my last
band was my high school band.
1145
01:24:00,303 --> 01:24:03,106
Stevie Salas: bad rock
'n' roller; rock star.
1146
01:24:03,139 --> 01:24:06,342
You got to have balls and that's
what it takes for rock 'n' roll.
1147
01:24:19,222 --> 01:24:23,226
So I'm on a private jet;
I'm making tons of money
and I have all these women,
1148
01:24:23,259 --> 01:24:26,629
but pretty soon I don't
know who I am anymore.
1149
01:24:26,662 --> 01:24:31,334
Randy Castillo, he befriended me
knowing I was a Native American
1150
01:24:31,367 --> 01:24:34,770
and he met me right when I was
finishing the Rod Stewart tour.
1151
01:24:34,803 --> 01:24:39,808
I was going deeper and deeper
into alcohol and partying and
which girl I could be with
1152
01:24:39,842 --> 01:24:43,412
and how much money I could
make or house I could buy,
1153
01:24:43,446 --> 01:24:46,382
and he could tell I
was losing my mind.
1154
01:24:46,415 --> 01:24:49,652
He said to me, "I'm going
to take you to New Mexico".
1155
01:24:49,685 --> 01:24:57,393
[crickets]
1156
01:24:57,426 --> 01:25:07,436
**
1157
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:20,916
**
1158
01:25:20,949 --> 01:25:24,453
I'm taking John Trudell
with me up to Taos.
1159
01:25:24,487 --> 01:25:30,626
We want to get together and have
a little bit of a talk about our
departed friend Randy Castillo.
1160
01:25:30,659 --> 01:25:32,161
Mr. Randy Castillo!
1161
01:25:32,195 --> 01:25:36,632
* [drum solo]
1162
01:25:36,665 --> 01:25:37,800
Randy Castillo.
1163
01:25:37,833 --> 01:25:39,668
Randy Castillo from New Mexico.
1164
01:25:39,702 --> 01:25:42,305
He'd be like playing his
drums. I remember he
always did this thing
1165
01:25:42,338 --> 01:25:44,307
where he hit the kick
drum: boom, boom, boom.
1166
01:25:44,340 --> 01:25:47,643
Mega-star.
1167
01:25:47,676 --> 01:25:48,877
Mega-star.
1168
01:25:48,911 --> 01:25:50,179
Cover of every magazine.
1169
01:25:50,213 --> 01:25:51,814
* [song ends]
1170
01:25:51,847 --> 01:25:54,183
Mr. Randy Castillo!
1171
01:25:58,821 --> 01:26:06,695
**
1172
01:26:06,729 --> 01:26:10,733
I was in Los Angeles and
spent my time then going
fucking nuts, right?
1173
01:26:10,766 --> 01:26:14,937
You know, just every
actress I could see, every
Playboy bunny I could get;
1174
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:17,506
every cocktail I could drink.
1175
01:26:17,540 --> 01:26:20,609
Me and Randy started
becoming friends and he says,
"You're pretty fucked up."
1176
01:26:20,643 --> 01:26:22,845
He goes, "I need to
take you to Indian country."
1177
01:26:22,878 --> 01:26:24,313
Right.
1178
01:26:24,347 --> 01:26:25,848
I didn't really ever
have heard that phrase.
1179
01:26:25,881 --> 01:26:27,850
Indian country? He
brought me here.
1180
01:26:38,361 --> 01:26:40,996
The secret to Indian country
is when you're losing your mind
1181
01:26:41,029 --> 01:26:44,400
only lose the parts
that need losing.
1182
01:26:44,433 --> 01:26:45,968
Right it is.
Right.I'll tell you.
1183
01:26:46,001 --> 01:26:52,908
**
1184
01:26:52,941 --> 01:26:58,013
The last thing you
wanted to be when you were my
great-great-grandfather
1185
01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:02,985
was an Indian because
only bad things were
happening to Indians.
1186
01:27:03,018 --> 01:27:07,990
The Mexicans could chase
the Apache into America
without permission...
1187
01:27:08,023 --> 01:27:11,460
if they they were in pursuit
of killing Apache.
1188
01:27:11,494 --> 01:27:13,962
The Americans could cross into
Mexico without permission
1189
01:27:13,996 --> 01:27:17,232
if they were chasing Apache
and killing Apache.
1190
01:27:21,337 --> 01:27:23,739
It depended where you
were at in the land.
1191
01:27:23,772 --> 01:27:27,910
Some places they would rather
be an Indian than a Mexican.
1192
01:27:27,943 --> 01:27:31,814
And in some places they'd rather
be a Mexican than an Indian.
1193
01:27:31,847 --> 01:27:33,782
All right?
1194
01:27:33,816 --> 01:27:36,619
Uh, and in some places,
they didn't want to be
either but they were
1195
01:27:36,652 --> 01:27:38,987
so some of them would be
calling themselves Hispanic.
1196
01:27:42,825 --> 01:27:50,599
Randy Castillo was confident and
loved being an Indian, heads up
loud and proud and representing,
1197
01:27:50,633 --> 01:27:55,037
He was just such a beautiful
man and a great ambassador
for the American Indians.
1198
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:58,941
He was just such a
great drummer, number one.
1199
01:27:58,974 --> 01:28:03,379
And he was an amazing showman.
1200
01:28:03,412 --> 01:28:08,917
Randy's roots, his Native
American roots, his New Mexican
roots, made him stand out.
1201
01:28:08,951 --> 01:28:12,054
He was like a spirit;
that's what you sensed
coming into the room.
1202
01:28:12,087 --> 01:28:14,690
You know, if you walked into
a room and he was there
1203
01:28:14,723 --> 01:28:16,892
and even if you didn't see
him, you knew he was there.
1204
01:28:16,925 --> 01:28:21,096
[cheers]
1205
01:28:21,129 --> 01:28:25,801
He was just out there and
he was putting it out there
and he was like a magnet.
1206
01:28:25,834 --> 01:28:29,672
I mean, he knew exactly
who he was, exactly
who he was gonna be.
1207
01:28:29,705 --> 01:28:31,640
We were really close.
1208
01:28:31,674 --> 01:28:34,910
When we had a day off
we'd spend it together;
we'd go to a nightclub.
1209
01:28:34,943 --> 01:28:37,012
He rapidly became one
of my best friends.
1210
01:28:37,045 --> 01:28:37,880
[chanting]
1211
01:28:37,913 --> 01:28:43,786
Ozzy! Ozzy! Ozzy!
1212
01:28:43,819 --> 01:28:47,623
Here's a song dedicated to Mr.
Randy Castillo, it's a number
called Tattooed Dancer.
1213
01:28:47,656 --> 01:28:52,561
**
1214
01:28:52,595 --> 01:28:58,701
Well, Randy had become one of
the most influential heavy
metal drummers in the world,
1215
01:28:58,734 --> 01:29:00,603
uh, because of his
work with Ozzy.
1216
01:29:00,636 --> 01:29:05,508
**
1217
01:29:05,541 --> 01:29:12,815
And Ozzy always said he
loved working with indigenous
people, Hispanic people.
1218
01:29:12,848 --> 01:29:17,085
It was like he had a
connection with them 'cause he
felt they had better rhythm.
1219
01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:20,556
And he always mentioned Randy
as being a direct connection
1220
01:29:20,589 --> 01:29:25,127
to that indigenous energy and
that rhythm that he loved.
1221
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:30,933
* [indigenous singing]
1222
01:29:30,966 --> 01:29:40,976
**
1223
01:29:41,009 --> 01:29:47,650
**
1224
01:29:47,683 --> 01:29:51,119
Oh say...my brothers.
1225
01:29:51,153 --> 01:29:52,120
How are you, man?
1226
01:29:52,154 --> 01:29:53,021
Good to see you.
1227
01:29:53,055 --> 01:29:54,590
How are you?
1228
01:29:54,623 --> 01:30:04,633
[singing and drumming]
1229
01:30:04,667 --> 01:30:09,672
[singing and drumming]
1230
01:30:09,705 --> 01:30:13,942
It was always in Randy's
blood because...
being Apache you know,
1231
01:30:13,976 --> 01:30:17,613
but he took it to a different
level and went higher,
1232
01:30:17,646 --> 01:30:20,816
became one of the best
drummers in the world.
1233
01:30:20,849 --> 01:30:24,987
I know when he saw
Benito's drums he wanted a
whole trap set like that.
1234
01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:26,889
You know.
1235
01:30:26,922 --> 01:30:29,592
And too bad we didn't get to
do that, you know, for him.
1236
01:30:29,625 --> 01:30:40,636
**
1237
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:46,108
He had a style that was
obviously influenced by
his roots,
1238
01:30:46,141 --> 01:30:49,612
kind of Indian drumming thing
that was going underneath it;
1239
01:30:49,645 --> 01:30:52,080
he didn't drum like
a normal person.
1240
01:30:52,114 --> 01:30:55,651
Normal people would
just-you know, they just
play drums like this.
1241
01:30:55,684 --> 01:30:58,687
But there was this
(makes crashing sound)
1242
01:30:58,721 --> 01:31:01,156
it was just this pounding
thing that was going
through everything.
1243
01:31:11,534 --> 01:31:14,637
It was his heartbeat;
Randy's playing the
heartbeat and that's it.
1244
01:31:14,670 --> 01:31:15,938
It's it; it's Indian
country right there.
1245
01:31:15,971 --> 01:31:17,272
Bam!
1246
01:31:17,305 --> 01:31:23,278
**
1247
01:31:23,311 --> 01:31:27,282
A lot of that funk,
it's from the earth;
it's organic, you know.
1248
01:31:27,315 --> 01:31:32,154
It's-it comes from
the war dances and there's
something tribal about it.
1249
01:31:32,187 --> 01:31:37,860
[crowd screaming]
1250
01:31:37,893 --> 01:31:39,227
It's very primal.
1251
01:31:39,261 --> 01:31:41,964
And that I always
equate to his roots.
1252
01:31:41,997 --> 01:31:46,802
You know he had, uh, a
grandmother who was a
curandero, a healer.
1253
01:31:46,835 --> 01:31:50,539
And he was very much in
touch with that kind of
spiritual thinking
1254
01:31:50,573 --> 01:31:53,576
and his indigenous ancestry.
1255
01:31:53,609 --> 01:31:58,914
He transcended all of the
civil stuff that you see on a
day-to-day level.
1256
01:31:58,947 --> 01:32:01,917
He sort of had this little
jump over where he had a path
1257
01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:05,921
that went back to that and he
was constantly tapping into that
1258
01:32:05,954 --> 01:32:08,924
and bringing that in
through his music, through
the way he played.
1259
01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:27,576
And one day we were going
somewhere and I went to pick
him up and he said,
1260
01:32:27,610 --> 01:32:30,278
"Hey, you know I found something
over here; I've got this
little thing over here."
1261
01:32:30,312 --> 01:32:31,914
and I go, "What's that?"
1262
01:32:31,947 --> 01:32:34,249
And he goes, "Well, it's
like a little bump."
1263
01:32:34,282 --> 01:32:37,052
And I said, "Well, it's
probably you're picking
at your, you know,
1264
01:32:37,085 --> 01:32:39,221
whiskers all the time or
whatever it is you're doing."
1265
01:32:39,254 --> 01:32:41,724
He goes, "No, it's underneath."
1266
01:32:41,757 --> 01:32:44,827
And I said, "Well, you know,
I don't know; maybe you
should get it checked out."
1267
01:32:44,860 --> 01:32:49,598
And he sort of neglected
it for a while and...
and one day he goes,
1268
01:32:49,632 --> 01:32:52,801
"Well, uh, I went to the
doctor about that today."
1269
01:32:52,835 --> 01:32:54,770
Then he said, uh, "I'm
just gonna go home."
1270
01:32:54,803 --> 01:32:56,304
And I go, "What's going on?"
1271
01:32:56,338 --> 01:33:02,044
And he goes, "Well, um-uh,
that thing that I've got
on my neck, it's cancer."
1272
01:33:05,413 --> 01:33:10,853
Just went from being this huge
personality to just this waif
1273
01:33:10,886 --> 01:33:13,321
of a memory of something
that once was.
1274
01:33:13,355 --> 01:33:22,898
* [piano]
1275
01:33:22,931 --> 01:33:30,706
[cheering]
1276
01:33:30,739 --> 01:33:36,078
I run into Hispanics,
Native Americans today
that come up to me
1277
01:33:36,111 --> 01:33:40,315
and ask me about Randy
Castillo, you know.
1278
01:33:40,348 --> 01:33:44,086
He's a celebrated hero
amongst that community.
1279
01:33:44,119 --> 01:33:52,695
**
1280
01:33:52,728 --> 01:33:54,362
Just keep on practicing
like a maniac.
1281
01:33:54,396 --> 01:33:56,832
Practice. Practice.
1282
01:33:56,865 --> 01:34:00,969
And listen and try to
play with other people as
much as you possibly can
1283
01:34:01,003 --> 01:34:03,839
because you can learn a
lot faster that way.
1284
01:34:03,872 --> 01:34:06,341
And, uh, the whole idea
is to play with a band.
1285
01:34:06,374 --> 01:34:09,712
You know you can lock
yourself up in your room
and practice forever
1286
01:34:09,745 --> 01:34:13,716
but if you don't play with
somebody then, uh, you're
gonna sound that way.
1287
01:34:13,749 --> 01:34:19,387
So, uh, stick with it, you
know and, uh, you'll do it
if you want it bad enough.
1288
01:34:22,958 --> 01:34:26,061
**
1289
01:34:26,094 --> 01:34:28,964
* Stand up, stand up!
1290
01:34:28,997 --> 01:34:30,833
* [chanting]
1291
01:34:30,866 --> 01:34:32,434
* Stand up, stand up!
1292
01:34:32,467 --> 01:34:40,809
**
1293
01:34:40,843 --> 01:34:44,046
When you're surrounded by
beautiful people that come
from the Nations,
1294
01:34:44,079 --> 01:34:47,449
and they're proud of
their heritage; it just
inspires everybody.
1295
01:34:47,482 --> 01:34:51,153
* We've been fightin' for our
freedom since the Nina and the
Pinta and the Santa Maria *
1296
01:34:51,186 --> 01:34:55,690
* Stand up! Like Geronimo,
Sitting Bull, Red Cloud,
Crazy Horse, Leonard Peltier *
1297
01:34:58,761 --> 01:35:01,163
Indigenous people being left
out of the story of music
1298
01:35:01,196 --> 01:35:03,732
of course has everything
to do with the land.
1299
01:35:03,766 --> 01:35:09,371
It has to do with the way
of imagining the American Dream,
1300
01:35:09,404 --> 01:35:12,374
which was a land cleared
of indigenous people.
1301
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:16,979
* [Buffy Saint Marie sings]
1302
01:35:17,012 --> 01:35:20,983
* Don't stand between the
reservations
and the corporate banks *
1303
01:35:21,016 --> 01:35:29,524
* They'll send in federal tanks
It isn't nice but it's reality *
1304
01:35:29,557 --> 01:35:34,062
* Bury my Heart at
Wounded Knee *
1305
01:35:36,064 --> 01:35:40,535
It's been a long time but
we're still here; we're still
alive and we're singing.
1306
01:35:40,568 --> 01:35:44,807
* Cover me with pretty lies
1307
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,775
* Bury my Heart at
Wounded Knee *
1308
01:35:46,809 --> 01:35:50,445
They tried to erase it
but it didn't get erased.
1309
01:35:50,478 --> 01:35:53,281
If they had erased
it, we wouldn't be able
to pick up the pieces.
1310
01:35:53,315 --> 01:35:55,984
* They got these energy
companies who want the land *
1311
01:35:56,018 --> 01:35:59,121
* And they've got
churches by the dozens *
1312
01:35:59,154 --> 01:36:03,091
Yeah, you wouldn't let me
talk about it before; well,
now I'm gonna talk real loud.
1313
01:36:03,125 --> 01:36:10,065
* want to guide our hand and
sing our mother earth over to
pollution, war and greed *
1314
01:36:10,098 --> 01:36:13,335
* Bury my Heart at
Wounded Knee *
1315
01:36:13,368 --> 01:36:15,938
The big racket's been
around for a long time.
1316
01:36:15,971 --> 01:36:20,475
And anybody who really wants
to be effective learns how
not to fight it...
1317
01:36:20,508 --> 01:36:24,146
'cause they'll outgun
you - but how to work
around it, through it,
1318
01:36:24,179 --> 01:36:27,950
how to even heal it up.
1319
01:36:27,983 --> 01:36:31,219
We carry a medicine in
us, you know, especially
the medicine of the arts.
1320
01:36:31,253 --> 01:36:35,423
* Bury my Heart at
Wounded Knee! *
1321
01:36:35,457 --> 01:36:45,467
* [line repeats]
1322
01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:52,841
* [line repeats]
1323
01:36:52,875 --> 01:37:02,450
[song ends]
1324
01:37:02,484 --> 01:37:05,888
[wild cheering]
1325
01:37:10,959 --> 01:37:11,026
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