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on TV on Radio and on your smartphone
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this is talk
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TV tonight on PSG on sensed hundreds of
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people are reportedly killed in an air
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strike on a hospital in Gaza City
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President Biden heads to Israel tomorrow
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as it forces prepare a deadly ground
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Invasion I'll talk live to bassm MF and
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we'll debate how can Israel be
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proportionate about Terror also tonight
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Prof fighter Dylan danis lost his big
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money bouncing bout to the YouTuber
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Logan Paul can he bounce back and what's
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he got to say and how does he look I'll
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talk to him
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exclusively live from the news building
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in London this is Pierce Morgan
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uncensored well good evening from London
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welcome to Piers Morgan on sensor the
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parallels between 911 and last week's
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atrocities in Israel are painfully
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obvious these were murderous terrorists
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religious Fanatics who killed with
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barbaric impunity on Sovereign land as I
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said yesterday the proportion of the
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Israeli population murdered in these
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attacks was equivalent to 30,000
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Americans being killed on us soil it's
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no wonder Israel is expect a strong
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response and Israel as I keep saying has
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every right to defend itself from Hamas
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going forward but the aftermath of 911
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taught us some tough lessons too Across
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the Western World there was a fervor for
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Revenge
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President Bush spoke for many when he
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said
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this I can hear
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you I can hear you the rest of the world
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hears you and the
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people and the people who knock these
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buildings down will hear all of us
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soon with popular rhetoric with that
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yearning for justice to commer America
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and its allies including Britain into a
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trap first G the war on terror in
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Afghanistan lasted 20 years cost more
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than $2 trillion to countless lives and
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ultimately ended with the Taliban back
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in charge of the country next came the
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illegal invasion of Iraq which had
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nothing much to do with Bin Laden or
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Al-Qaeda and turned into a disaster more
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than a million died Iraq became a
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breeding ground for Isis a my superious
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excuse for the war but Saddam Hussein
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had weapons of mass destruction turned
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out to be a credibility slaying lie well
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the situation is very different but the
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potential perils are the same there's no
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dispute that Hamas committed these
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attacks because they they've repulsively
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boasted about it and threatened more but
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a full-blown invasion of Gaza will be
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horribly difficult to execute retired
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General David betrus who commanded
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Allied Forces in Iraq describes it like
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this I almost can't imagine a more
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challenging contextual set of
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circumstances here than what they face
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there are tunnels there will will be
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rooms that will have improvised
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explosive devices you have to clear
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every building every floor every room
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every basement every tunnel civilian
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losses are inevitable and tough Israeli
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losses lie ahead as well well civilian
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deaths are sadly inevitable that is the
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Grim reality of War if Israel gets this
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wrong it could turn into a long deadly
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and much expanded War which fuels the
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next generation of terrorists and
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unleashes Chaos across the whole region
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Palestinian authorities already say that
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more than 3,000 civilians have been
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killed by Israeli air strike since last
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week tonight the Hamas controlled
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authorities in Gaza say a hospital has
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been blown up and what they say was an
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Israeli air strike that up to 500 people
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could have died if it turns out to be
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true and there are conflicting reports
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as I came on air that it may have been a
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misfired Hamas rocket so we'll have to
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wait for verification on this then it
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could be a massive turning point in this
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war every day now the civilian death
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toll is going to climb it will Skyrocket
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of course with any ground Invasion and
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every image like the ones we're seeing
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tonight will pile more pressure on
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Israel to show restraint to be
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proportionate I'll be honest I don't
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know what a proportionate response is to
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what happened on October the 7th how can
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anything be proportionate to the murder
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of babies in their beds to the slaughter
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of 260 people in a music festival to the
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kidnapping of a holocaust Survivor and
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198 other hostages to the burning aive
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of innocent families together in their
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homes I honestly don't have the answer
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to that question but it's one that
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Israel will have to ask your and soon
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well joining me now to discuss the
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conflict in Israel and Gaza it's a TV
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host in Satur Bassam YF Bassam it's
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great to have you back on the program I
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wish it was under different
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circumstances um first of all what is
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your reaction to What happened on
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October the
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7th oh it was terrible of course I mean
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we kind of get our news kind of also
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secondhand because you know my my wife's
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family they live in Gaza they they have
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uh cousins and uncles there um and uh
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their house also was bombed we haven't
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been able to communicate with them for
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the past three days communication are
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lost so we don't know actually what is
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the uh how is like how are they're doing
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but you know we're used to that I mean
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it's it just like it's it's it's very
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repetitive we used to that we used to
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them being bombed every time and moving
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from one place to the other uh you know
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it's just like those Palestinians
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they're very dramatic ah Israel killing
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us but they never die I mean they always
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come back you know they they're very
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difficult to kill very difficult people
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to kill I know because I'm married to
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one I tried many times couldn't kill her
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I mean there's a dark humor there and I
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understand why because no it's not dark
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hum I really I try to get to her every
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time but she uses our kids as human
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Shields I can never take her
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out again I understand the the human but
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I to be serious basam about this tonight
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there is okay I will be serious no I I I
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I will be serious I was watching your
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interview with Ben Shapiro and I'll will
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tell you one thing I think that Ben
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Shapiro is one of the smartest people
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who ever walked this Earth he's very
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very smart I follow him and I believe
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everything he said and when he came out
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on your show his solution was and I
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quote his solution was that the solution
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for this is for Israel to Annex Gaza and
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to kill as many son of [ __ ] as
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possible to make sure that this will
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never happen again and anyone anyone who
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call for a ceasefire will be a terrorist
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sympathizer so God forbid I don't want
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to be labeled as a terrorist sympathizer
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so I agree with Ben shapir I think we
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should kill as many son of [ __ ] as
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possible so
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far so far 3,500 people were killed
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including 5,000 son of [ __ ] in the
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bombing of the Baptist uh uh uh hospital
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as we speak right now onethird of those
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3,500 were children so my question to
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Ben Shapiro is how many more son of
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[ __ ] do we need to kill so Ben
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Shapiro is happy because it changes from
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changes from I'm I'm I'm sorry that
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listen I'm I'm I'm really at a
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disadvantage here I'm looking at a
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camera I don't see you I can hear you on
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my the reason I'm interrupting is I
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think you might be I think I think
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you're conflating different interviews
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with bench ofir he didn't use the phrase
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sons of [ __ ] with me let me play to
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you what he actually said on my he did
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he did good
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go back to your interview he didn't that
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was another interview but let me play
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what he said to me
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here well I frankly I don't believe in
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proportionate response to terrorism I
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believe that the way that you stop
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terrorism is with wildly
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disproportionate response that doesn't
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mean in terms of targeting civilians it
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means in terms of killing as many
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terrorists as humanly possible and
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allowing them to dictate the terms of
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Engagement by hiding behind civilians in
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areas that that they are supposedly
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responsible for means that the only
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option for Israel is to surrender to
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hamas's hatred of its own citizens its
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willingness to use its own children as
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human Shields no no country worth it
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salt could ever do that now that is sign
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substantively different to what you said
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he said right he's talking there
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specifically about agree with him I
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agree I I I agree with him the the thing
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is the question is what is a
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proportionate response because it has
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been different from one tier to other so
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if you look to this graph for example
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this is the death of Israeli and
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Palestinians and it's changing from one
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year to year it's like fluctuating like
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crypto so my question is today what is
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the going rate to day for human lives I
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mean 2014 was a great year for Ben
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chapiro 88 Israelis were died and there
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was
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2329 Palestinians killed on the other
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side that is one Israeli for 27 uh
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Palestinian that is a very good exchange
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rate what I'm saying is what is the
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exchange rate for today so you guys will
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be happy that's my question well it's
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not me it's not me guys I I I'm not on
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either side not you like when I say you
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guys I say like the people on the other
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side of that I know that you you don't
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think like that appears you one of the
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good guys but let me tell you something
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I mean I'm the reason that I'm I'm using
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this is that I mean I could I can't
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remember what happened in 2014 and there
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was no music festival but there there
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must be something I mean they must do
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something it is their fault it has to be
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something I mean 2018 300 Palestinian
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died ah who's counting you know so the
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thing is what my question is let's find
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what is the exchange rate for human life
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today so we know expect the fure future
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death of Palestinians and will be happy
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to it my my response to that would be
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this B I thought carefully about this
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because I think it's very tricky for
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people like me to immerse ourselves into
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a conflict where we're not directly
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involved and I thought carefully about
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what I feel about this I feel that the
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scale of what Hamas did on October the
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7th supersedes anything else I've seen
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in this conflict really ever that the
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the savagery The Butchery the slaughter
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of 1300 people the shooting of babies
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the kidnapping of grandmother and so on
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so if if we can agree on that which I
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think is inarguable then the question
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then becomes again about proportion I I
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don't disagree that there's been a lot
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of bad stuff on both sides going back
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historically for decades but if we agree
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that this was on a different level
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altogether quite deliberately by Hamas
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designed designed to provoke designed to
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here my question let me ask you a
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question and and the question you you
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raised it earlier about proportion I
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honestly don't know what the
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proportionate response is uh I I I
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honestly don't I I don't I've been
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watching the air strik what's your
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question well I was asked I well I would
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ask you if you were Israel what would
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you was Israel if you were Israel and
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that had happened to you what would you
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think would be the appropriate way for
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the country to respond I would do
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exactly like Israel did Kill as many
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people as possible since the the the
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word is letting me do it I mean I I can
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do it because I can you know but but the
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thing is you know what I agree with you
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and you know what I'm going to be even
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ahead of you because I see the question
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coming do you condemn Hames for the atro
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yes I condemn Hames I condemn Hamas I
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condemn Hamas is the source of all evil
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there for and you know what let's for a
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minute imagine a world without Hamas
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right what will this word look like
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let's give this word a name and let's
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name this word the West Bank Hamas has
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absolutely no control in the West Bank
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and since the beginning of this stre
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only through August 37 pales kids were
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killed no music festival no paragliding
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no Hamas since the occupation of the
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West Bank 7,000 Palestinians were killed
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no music festival no paragliding no
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Hamas I can go on and on and on and
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on because in a way in a way you're
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preaching to the choir i' I've followed
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this crisis Oh no you're not preaching
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so the thing is like sense I know I know
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that what you're saying has validity of
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course of course Pier Pierce by the way
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Pier Pierce Pierce I am at a
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disadvantage here I can hear you I
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cannot see you I am in a claustrophobic
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room and so please cut me some slack and
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don't interrupt me and interrupt my
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points sure so because this this this
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has to be fair because if you want to
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only hear your opinion I can just
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condemn Hames and go home I can do that
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so if you do you want to do that or do
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you have a much more Nuance conversation
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no I absolutely want to have a Nuance
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conversation I wasn't aware I was
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interrupting you I amazing so let's I
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mean I mean I would say I would say I
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really applaud Israel for doing one
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thing that no military force in the
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world does because I heard I heard Ben
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Shapiro and I heard Rond santis and they
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said they said Israel is the only
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military force in the world that warns
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civilians before bombing them I mean how
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[ __ ] cute that is so nice of them
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because with this logic if Russian
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troops started warning ukrainians before
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bombing their houses we're cool with
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Putin right I mean okay Habibi you have
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warned them go invade it's fine you have
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done your job job I mean the thing is
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and I understand and I also heard Ben
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Shapiro talking about uh about human
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shield so you remember my wife's family
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they live in Gaza so I asked them I told
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them when Israel give you the nice
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warning the cute warning does Hamas
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force you to stay in your home so you
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can be bombed and use a as as human
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shield you know what Hass here my my
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wife's uh my wife's cousin he's a he's
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he's a loser you know he he told me you
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know when I asked him does that happen
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he told me no the lying son of a [ __ ]
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lied to me I told him you don't
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understand Ben Shapiro and Rond santis
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keep saying that Israel warns you and
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Hamas asked you to keep to stay put so I
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I I told you he's a loser he never kept
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a job he even like failed in all of the
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interviews to become like a human shield
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I I I would believe Ben shapir let ask
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so let's go with that no no no let's no
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no let me ask you at some point I must
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be to ask question it's
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not if we agree if we agree the the 14th
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,000 casualties I mean who's counting
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are human shield does that mean that
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every single one of those civilians was
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standing obscuring a military Target
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behind them because that's a lot of
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weapons I mean Hamas is packing no of
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course it doesn't and look I you know it
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do so so so there is some collateral
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damage lots of collateral damage yes
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it's fine yeah you kill you kill some to
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save some and then kill some more yeah I
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agree yeah yeah yeah I would let me ask
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you this again it comes back to
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proportionate response when the world
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when the world decided it had to get rid
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of Isis because of the appalling
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Butchery they were carrying out uh it
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did so by by also killing very sadly a
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lot of civilians along the way by doing
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air strikes against places which killing
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civilians are in said that in the
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beginning point it's inevitable but once
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Israel once Israel has decided that they
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want to get rid of Hamas and Hamas is
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embedded with cilian population I'm very
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concerned about what's going to happen
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next I've written a column tonight
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saying I remember
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which I oppos right I remember all this
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so my question for you is what would be
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what would you think would be an
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appropriate response by Israel to what
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happened well well the these are years
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of disproportionate responses of Israel
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did it solve the solution did it solve
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the problem did did it work before so it
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will what what will be the surprise this
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time what will be the twist that will
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make this work this time what what will
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be different this time seriously I mean
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like this is only the last 15 years I
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mean because it's too too many PE papers
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I just got this but what how will this
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will be different and the thing is it I
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am so glad in the introduction that you
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mentioned the Iraq War I applaud you
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Pier for saying that because you were
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honest about it you said that spreading
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lies like wmds make people look at those
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people as less of humans and they would
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accept the death of a million Iraqi
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whether by sh sanctions or by Invasion
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right you are you you are a good man
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this is amazing and you know what is
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similar is when you spread the lies of
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40 decapitated babies although it was
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refuted so what happens when people hear
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that you know killing babies is horrible
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but when you say decapitated 40 babies
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you are planting a certain image a
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certain trigger in people's mind who has
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said that who has said 4 said that you
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have said 40 decapitate who has said
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that you have you have repeat no no I
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haven't what I've never said that you
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haven't said on your show 40 decapitated
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babies never Ben Pi didn't say it Ronda
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Sanz didn't say it nobody has said okay
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P nobody said it no oh okay okay maybe I
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am wrong decapitated here you're wrong
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I've never said that the thing what
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happened what yeah well no you're you're
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wrong but the thing is when Iraq the
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thing is the same thing is happening in
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Iraq Ben Shapiro once tweeted not even
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about Gaza about the West Bank when
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Israel continued to build the illegal
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set he said 2017 Israel likes to build
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things and Arabs not Palestine not Hamas
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Arabs like the bomb crap and live in
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open sewage yeah I thought that was very
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very isra the Israeli defense the isra
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defense minister he said those are human
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animals and the thing is Ben shapir
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should know better because you know long
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before the Holocaust before Jewish
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people were thrown in the gas
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Chambers the Nazi propaganda called them
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rats now as a human being I will never
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accept that another human being being
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thrown in a into a g chamber but a rat
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kill a 10 kill a thand 3,500 they are
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son of a bit they are human animals who
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live in open sewage and decapitate
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babies and because of that propaganda Mr
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Morgan that guy in Illinois the 71 years
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old guy he killed stabbing the six years
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old Palestinian kid in Ino 26 times and
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he used to play with him they used to be
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friends but he went in marching into
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their apartment stabbing his mother and
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killing him shouting all Muslims could
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die it took you8 years to change one
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word from Jewish to Muslim and then you
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transferred your guilt to us and took
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away our land let me ask let me ask you
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a question that deal sucks man let me
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ask you a question uh how do we get from
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where we are now to
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peace well first of all you need to
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change the perception uh Nikki Haley the
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American presidential candidate said we
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are in Israel in this because it's a
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fight between EV Good and Evil now if
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you already decided someone is good he
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can do no evil and if you decided
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someone is evil it's good to kill them
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killing them is good you see the thing
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is it is it is not like something new I
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mean I I I look at history and I see I'm
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sorry to say and I'm sorry to say this
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but westerners has always dealt like
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this with indigenous people you first
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treated them like Savages you know
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Native American First Nation Aboriginal
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they're Savages kill all the Savages and
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then when they almost extinct you start
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feeling sorry for them you know like
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animals so maybe maybe the solution is
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that we kill as many Palestinians as
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possible so the few of them that remains
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do not bother you and maybe talking for
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another 100 years become a tree hugger
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let me just challenge you on this and he
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will campaign for for preserving the
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keep talking about westerners like me
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okay so let me return the favor okay
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Hamas is dedicated to the complete
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eradication of Jewish people I am not
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the spokesman for H why do you why do
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you spokesman [ __ ] hate them [ __ ]
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ham are you happy you're missing my
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point you're talking in a generalized
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way about people in the west who always
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talk about Arabs as Savages I don't no
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no no I'm
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talking actually the campaign I led the
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media campaign in this country against
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the Iraq War okay so I don't see I don't
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see people in the Middle East savages
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the good ones but what I say talking
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about you you're great no no it's not
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about me being it's about it's about the
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way Hamas behaved on October the 7th was
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like Savages like a pack of savages it
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was the worst atrocity against Jewish
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people since the Holocaust there has to
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be of there has to be a response and my
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question beic my question for you ising
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the history B what is the proportionate
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response but I don't know but there's no
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Hamas in the West Bank and there's still
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lying there so what's your excuse I
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don't have any
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excuse okay what's what's your
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explanation sorry sorry uh my earpiece
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went down I I listen I don't make any
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pretense that this hasn't been a massive
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problem okay between Palestine and
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Israel going back to the mid-40s we all
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know this right I I'm I'm I'm yeah yeah
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yeah Pierce Pierce Pierce listen I'm not
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saying that you're making excus but if
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you are adopting a certain point of view
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you have to at least defend it I'm
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telling you there is no Hamas in the
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West Bank what is what is the excuse not
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your excuse what is the excuse to kill
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those
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people well it's listen this question of
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proportionality is one that no no no
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answer my question I've been answering
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your question you answer mine it's
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actually not my job to answer your
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questions it's not okay not your not
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your job I I I agree with you I'm more
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interested in you who has family in Gaza
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who's an A in the Middle East right I'm
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more interested in what you have to say
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okay I'm telling you I'm telling you
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think Hamas is the problem okay now
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let's say Hamas is removed let's ham
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yeah I I I'm agreeing with everything
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about I you want me to go Hamas I will
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condemn Hamas hus Hass everybody guys
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say wait I can't hear you the uh the
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earpiece damn okay
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oops okay yeah uh I I do need I think I
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think just go go back is he there you go
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back you go back go back okay go thank
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you guys can you hear yeah yeah now I
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can hear so here's the thing can you
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hear okay so is let's say for example
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Hamas ceased to exist okay do you hear
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me yes yeah Hamas ceased to exist today
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now right now in Palestine in West Bank
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and and uh and Gaza 20% of Palestinians
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go through Israeli prison system whether
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imprisonment whether interrogation
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whether torture and the rest of them
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they live a life of daily loss of land
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of homes of life and they are they are
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suffocated by the so let me ask you
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something if you are a Palestinian
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living into these conditions for decades
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would you would you sympathize with your
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oppressor or sympathize with the people
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who claim they resist them even if they
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are terrorists I have made I have made
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no secret that I think the conditions
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Palestinians have had to exist under are
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completely unacceptable I've said that
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for years so the question then becomes
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how do you forge peace between two
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Waring parts of that region who for
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decades have approached peace in my view
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with mutual sledgehammers with no actual
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desire to have peace and I think it
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comes down in the end to great
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leadership and I I don't think there's
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great leadership I don't think well hang
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on let me make my point I don't think
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there's great leadership on either side
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where is the Nelson Mandela figure here
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to come through all this hat on both
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Mandela where is that
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Mandela NE Nelson Mandela actually have
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criticized Israel for being a horrible
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State all of the South African activist
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have actually Israel my point is about
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how he how he responded to a country
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that was so divided is a temp is a
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template is a template for how you get
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to peace isn't it I I I I haven't met
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Danon Mandela so I wouldn't know but
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like I I I there is a point there's a
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there's a very important Point here you
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know I want to understand what is the
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logic of Israel carpet boming Gaza I
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mean if there's a logic if there's a
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good if this will make Israel safe I
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want to hear the logic so if they
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continue bombing what are they hoping to
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achieve we know what their we know what
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their stated aim is their stated aim is
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to eradicate and wipe out Hamas they
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believe Hamas are living are living
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predominantly in Northern Gaza they also
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are aware they're living amongst
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civilians so it's an incredibly
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difficult thing as I said as I said in
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my you know it is very very difficult to
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see how they do this without massive
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collateral damage
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so if I can understand this correctly
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basically Israel is doing this to
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pressure the Palestinian community in
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Gaza to turn against Hamas is that right
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I'm sure that's part of it yes that's
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part of it so this is exactly what
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terrorist organization do because
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terrorist organizations will have no
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chance beating a whole nation in battle
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so they terrorize and they kill the
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civilians in order to spread fear and
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Terror so they can turn against their
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government to change their policy or to
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resign you have just compared Israel
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with Isis no I haven't I don't I don't
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see any comparison between it's going to
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be the headlines tomorrow Israel is Isis
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only only amongst people who weren't
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listening the comparison which is more
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apite is Isis and Hamas they are both
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nihilistic Terror groups intent on
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killing as many Jewish people and others
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as they can possibly kill and you can't
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you can't you can't get peace with
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people like that absolutely you know
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what I'm going to do something that
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nobody done on your television you know
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what I'm going to do on your episode I'm
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I'm going to do I'm going to pretend
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that I'm an Israeli citizen I'm going to
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put my my myself in the in the place of
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an Israeli settler in the kaputs and I
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want to speak to my prime minister
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Benyamin nany Mr Benyamin Netanyahu I
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have voted for you because you have
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promised us peace and prosperity and
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security on the 7th of October those son
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of [ __ ] Hamas they went into defense
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that is regularly heavy heavily guarded
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usually usually if there's like a dove
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that comes close to it it will be shot
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those people went in and they went for
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six hours before IDF forces was deployed
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killing our friends our families
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kidnapping our grandmothers and babies
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and went in I want to ask you Mr Prime
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Minister after you have fractured the
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Israeli community and you have [ __ ]
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our courts our Supreme Courts what are
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you doing with the money being given to
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you to the United States also you are
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carpet bombing Gaza with absolutely no
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regard to our hostages our people I
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heard a rumor in the kaputs that you're
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doing that as an you let that happen to
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as an excuse to carpet bomb Gaza so you
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push them into Sinai and I didn't
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believe that I like not my prime
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minister he can never do that and then I
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watched an interview for Danny Alon he
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was your Chief advisor he was also the
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Israeli ambassador to the United States
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and you know what he said Mr Prime
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Minister he said that the solution for
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those Palestinians is to go into a vast
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land of Sinai and live into tent cities
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temporarily huh temporarily wink wink
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until we build Gaza again and then we
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invite you
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back we've seen this movie before so and
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I and when I saw this I couldn't explain
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to my fellows in the Kuts how come our
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Israeli government is trading human
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lives for another piece of land so as an
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Israeli citizen I need to hold my
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Israeli government accountable and as an
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American citizen I want to know all of
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these money that we are giving to Israel
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we giving them $4 billion every year Joe
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Biden said it's the best investment they
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ever America ever done well I if I am in
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the in the place of Joe Biden I would
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say sorry don't speak
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uh I I would I would say if I was Joe
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Biden I would go down and whisper in the
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ears of Nano and tell them I hate bad
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Investments they haunt me you know like
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little finger in Game of Thrones but the
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thing is the thing I think is this is
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the problem Israel always victimizes
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itself and I have never seen a victim
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putting their oppressor Under Siege and
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bombing them 24/7 Israel wants you to
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believe that they are the victim dealing
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with Israel is so difficult it's like
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being in a relationship with a
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narcissistic psychopath he [ __ ] you up
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and then he makes you think it's your
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fault you look at Israel as Superman but
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they're really homelander they are like
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they they are
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shooting and they are annoyed with the
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splashes B I want to say two things one
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if you could just slightly Mound your
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language we are uncensored but if you
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keep swearing we have to apologize to
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viewers you may be offended by that but
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I understand passions Run High so let's
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not get too bugged down about the oldd
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swear I apologize to the viewers I
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apologize to the viewers for my language
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my second question is this after site of
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of dead civilian after the break we have
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the managing director of The Daily wire
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which is Ben Shapiro's company we were
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going to interview him on his own but
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he's happy to come on and talk with you
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directly if you are prepared to stay
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well of course I I I can stay but again
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I am [ __ ]
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this I am in a disadvantage and I would
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like to have my space to respond okay
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we'll come back after the break I I I
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because because because here's the thing
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there we got to go to a break when we
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come back from the break be you and
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Jeremy B my my I have new we're taking a
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short break B I'll be
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[Music]
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back
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[Applause]
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welcome back to on senson for more on
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the situation in Israel I'm joined now
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by the CEO and co-founder of the daily
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wi Ben Shapiro's partner Jeremy boring
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uh Jeremy thank you very much indeed for
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joining me I'm sorry we demoted you
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earlier to Mia MD you are the CEO and
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co-founder uh you know Ben Shapiro
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better than anyone really I did a big
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interview with Ben obviously the other
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night um which went around the world um
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and has sparked a big reaction including
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from uh Our Guest Bassam youf who's
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still with us first of all you've been
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listening to to Bassam and what he's
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been saying what's your
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response well first of all I make it a
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point not to speak for Ben Shapiro he's
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got a 20 IQ points on me and speaks for
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a living professionally so he's much
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better prepared to defend himself but as
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his business partner as his best friend
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I I do feel like I have to respond to
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the things that bosam was just saying
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uh first of all the question of how many
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sons of [ __ ] have to be killed in
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order to end this conflict I suppose
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that the answer is as many of them as it
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takes that doesn't mean that I or Ben or
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any decent person in their right mind is
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happy with the killing of civilians uh I
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posted at the very beginning of this
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conflict that a a woman or a child blown
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apart in Gaza is just as tragic as a
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Jewish baby killed in one of the
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settlements that doesn't mean that
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Israel's actions and the actions of
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Hamas are morally equivalent you know
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the tragedy is the tragedy but the moral
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equivalency is nonsense if you if you
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entered Israel with the express purpose
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of targeting and murdering civilians
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with your own hands and cold blood that
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is not comparable to Israel bombing
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targets and the Gaza Strip and killing
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civilians is a terrible tragic
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consequence war war is terrible war is
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an awful thing that's why decent people
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don't lightly engage in War and why
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Hamas should not have incited this war
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you know we can talk about the history
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of the Israeli conflict I'm not a
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professional political commentator I'm a
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I'm a CEO I'm a
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screenwriter uh and I'm certainly not
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Ben Shapiro I'm not here to discuss the
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history of the Israeli Palestinian
834
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conflict but we all saw what happened on
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October 7th and the idea that Israel was
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not going to react severely to that or
837
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that Israel should not react severely to
838
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that is ludicrous and the let
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Meo should be a moderating voice that
840
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Ben Shapiro should be what saying no
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Israel should not respond in the
842
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situation that's nonsense let me ask you
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though Jeremy what I mean the question
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which I think is the big question what
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is a proportionate response to that
846
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outrage on October the 7th which is the
847
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worst attack on Jewish people since the
848
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Holocaust what is proportionate if it's
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true as reports are suggesting tonight
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that there may have been a hospital hit
851
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by an Israeli strike and up to 500
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people or more have died that would seem
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to me if that is verified and it's not
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verified yet you know we don't know
855
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exactly what has happened other than
856
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
there's been a hit on this hospital but
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if that is verified to have been an
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Israeli strike that will strike many
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people as
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disproportionate certainly well first of
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all I don't know what a proportionate
862
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response is or why we would want it I
863
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suppose a proportionate response would
864
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be for 3,000 Israelis to go through the
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fence gun down innocent Palestinian
866
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women and children burn their bodies
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burn them alive take hostages rape their
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women no one wants a proportionate
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response no no moral person could
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possibly call for a proportionate
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response the purpose of war is to defeat
872
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your enemy the West W has in my lifetime
873
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forgotten the purpose of War because the
874
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true cost of war is so terrible the last
875
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time the West engaged in war and won it
876
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was World War II and they did it through
877
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incredible brutality they did it by
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bringing their enemies to heal that is
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not a thing to that's not a thing to rah
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rah about that's not a thing to look
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forward to as I said all decent people
882
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should avoid war but I think the sort of
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lie of the postor War II the post-war
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consensus lie is that somehow War uh in
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which you kill a bunch of people and
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don't secure Victory is morally Superior
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to war where you do secure Victory I
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would say that the only way to morally
889
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,800
justify a war is to win it otherwise
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your AR the very argument that brought
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00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,640
you into the war this enemy must be
892
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:46,760
defeated ends up being proven a lie I
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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,880
mean Afghanistan I think America had
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every right to go into Afghanistan uh
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the Taliban was harboring Osama Bin
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Laden and al- Qaeda al- Qaeda flew
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planes into buildings in the United
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00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,960
States killed thousands of our citizens
899
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,119
brought the nation into Untold Agony
900
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,160
pain and horror America had every right
901
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,920
morally to go in and destroy the Taliban
902
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,440
and Destroy al- Qaeda but I would ARG
903
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the Taliban now but the Taliban now
904
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,280
rules in Afghanistan the war was not won
905
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but that's my point actually I've done a
906
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column about this tonight uh for the sun
907
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here in the UK which is I I was editor
908
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,960
of a newspaper when the Iraq War
909
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,640
happened I uh opposed it very
910
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:25,319
aggressively as the editor of the paper
911
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,240
um and sadly we were borne out by events
912
00:37:25,319 --> 00:37:29,520
it was a complete disaster the Iraq War
913
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,960
in my view it was illegally contested I
914
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think um and the consequences were
915
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480
appalling in terms of loss of life a
916
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,440
million people in terms of Isis being
917
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,920
allowed to breed and create their merry
918
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hell around the world in terms of
919
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,839
complete dismantling of of Iraq itself
920
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,160
as a as a functioning country uh and I
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think Afghanistan again 20 years of you
922
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know attacking an enemy which is now
923
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,119
running the country again seemed to me
924
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:56,880
again to be kind of pointless and I do
925
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:59,040
wonder whether Israel in its Blind Fury
926
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which I completely understand has
927
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,160
thought through the consequences of
928
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:07,680
actually launching a full air ground and
929
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,000
sea offensive into Gaza as to actually
930
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,520
what happens at the end of that well I
931
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,160
suppose Israel wasn't really given the
932
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,640
opportunity to fully contemplate what
933
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,480
the consequences of that action might be
934
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,960
because Israel didn't instigate this war
935
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,599
this war was instigated by a horrible
936
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,079
terrorist attack on Israel and a state
937
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:26,680
is put in a position where it has to
938
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:28,040
respond now one might argue that the
939
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,880
very fact that Israel has yet to
940
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,680
actually launch their ground Invasion
941
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,319
means that they are actually making a
942
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,839
calculation about what the cost will be
943
00:38:33,319 --> 00:38:38,720
what victory looks like any rational
944
00:38:36,839 --> 00:38:40,480
person any decent person can engage in a
945
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,359
conversation about what is the
946
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,599
appropriate response for Israel of
947
00:38:42,359 --> 00:38:46,040
course they can but this sort of moral
948
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,400
equivalency thing I don't think is a
949
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,280
sign of decency to engage in a
950
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,200
conversation about moral equivalency let
951
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,480
me bring uh bassim back in you've been
952
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,839
listening to this Bassin what's your
953
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,960
response to what Jeremy's been saying
954
00:38:54,839 --> 00:38:59,359
I'm I'm sorry I didn't catch gentleman's
955
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,880
name it's Jeremy boring he's the chief
956
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:04,760
executive of the daily wire co-founder
957
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,760
with Ben Shapiro of the daily wire hi
958
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,280
Jeremy please say hello to Ben Shapiro
959
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,920
and please tell him that I do think he
960
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,040
is the smartest person to ever walk the
961
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,000
earth thank you so much so as response
962
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,280
to Jeremy uh I I I I I agree with
963
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,839
everything you said I mean what is
964
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,960
disproportionate I mean that you he just
965
00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:23,880
used the uh examples from second world
966
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:27,200
war in America showing that civilian
967
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:30,240
casualty is a I mean I I heard his voice
968
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:32,240
he was very sad and he as he was telling
969
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:34,160
us it is so inevitable to kill so many
970
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,359
civilians because it's something that we
971
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,280
cannot avoid I hear the sadness in his
972
00:39:36,359 --> 00:39:40,240
voice and I know that it's a very
973
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,960
difficult decision to kill all of these
974
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,680
civilians because that's for a higher
975
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,400
cast and I understand but my question I
976
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,000
I have two questions the question is how
977
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,359
can you justify The Killing In The West
978
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:54,599
Bank where Hamas does not exist and if
979
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:57,480
the disproportionate response during the
980
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:59,920
all of these years have actually worked
981
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,040
what will be new this time that did not
982
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:05,640
happen before I just want to that that
983
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:09,119
that was my question okay that question
984
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:11,760
I'm so so so now so now now if I ask the
985
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:15,280
question can I can I say something on my
986
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,839
side B with respect you Bassam with
987
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,880
respect I gave you half the show to have
988
00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:20,160
your side Jeremy's had a lot less time
989
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,800
uh I'm going to have to you want me to
990
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,200
leave B I'm going to have to I'm going
991
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,839
to have to let you go because we've been
992
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,760
on there with you for 40 minutes okay
993
00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:27,880
bye bye but listen byebye I would like
994
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,280
to talk to you again and thank you for
995
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,440
joining the program I appreciate it oh
996
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,839
by by by the way my my my wife's family
997
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,800
is is all right and they send us a house
998
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:38,040
it's it's bombed it's beautiful it's
999
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,920
it's going to be a good uh uh like
1000
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,400
Halloween theme so well I'm very sorry
1001
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,440
for what your family are going through
1002
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,440
in Gaza and I mean by the way I don't
1003
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,680
know I I don't know my I don't know him
1004
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,480
by the way I don't I haven't actually
1005
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,680
met them they didn't even come to my
1006
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,640
wedding they couldn't because they are
1007
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,839
stuck in Gaza and she never saw them
1008
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,359
because you know Gaza is not a
1009
00:40:53,839 --> 00:40:58,040
destination we hear their voices and
1010
00:40:56,359 --> 00:41:00,079
it's uh they they die it's fine it's
1011
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,400
fine Bassam I wish your family all the
1012
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,040
very best thank you for joining me I
1013
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,440
appreciate it I I don't thank you
1014
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,839
Jeremy's going to stay with us and we're
1015
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,400
going to be joined by the pack after the
1016
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:10,520
break and we'll talk to Jeremy about
1017
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,520
some other stuff connected with this
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[Music]
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story good evening I'm P Morgan
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uncensored in New York City King pi and
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00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:31,800
King C I think there's only room for one
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00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:33,720
king man you know what I'm saying he's
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00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,240
mocked your weight Trump yeah look at
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00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:38,960
him fail not working just cuz they're
1025
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:40,760
skin folk don't mean they're kin folk do
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00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,160
you believe you can win this war you
1027
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,599
making me cry again they're trying to
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00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,680
force you out yes I feel betray keep it
1029
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:50,319
awardwinning m Lucy Ley will die behind
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00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,160
bars and a senior Doctor Who first
1031
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:54,040
raised concerns about Ley once NHS
1032
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,880
manages to be regulated we needed
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00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,240
answers a lot sooner this is what 7
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00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,800
years down the line I mean it's it's
1035
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,520
completely ludicrous he was clearly
1036
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,760
something of the face of the ward so
1037
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,599
even more Unthinkable if this nurse had
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00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,680
misgendered somebody on a ward she'd
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have been out the door when they first
1040
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,079
got together there were press stories
1041
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,319
weighty Katy that would make her a
1042
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:15,440
better princess of wealth cuz you're not
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00:42:13,319 --> 00:42:17,520
just marrying the man you're marrying
1044
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,400
the job that resonates with people gay
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00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Maxwell agreed to be interviewed for the
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very first time oh he wish I'd never met
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him the conservative party can certainly
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win the next election can we lab 29 in
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00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:36,000
the can we did he say yes I have taken
1050
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,200
drugs and they bent the rules or lied on
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the visa application form and therefore
1052
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,920
got it there needs to be an intervention
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00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:46,200
around abortion laws Parliament is
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00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Sovereign Parliament can determine these
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00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:52,079
things the rest of the world has watched
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00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,800
on in sort of mounting horror as this
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00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:57,079
story has unraveled for you it was
1058
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:01,079
incredibly personal the death toll from
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00:42:57,079 --> 00:43:04,240
the Titanic tragedy has risen to 1522
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and may God Rest their
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[Music]
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souls Let It
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[Music]
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Roll if we stop producing oil the knock
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00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:21,839
on effect is far larger than just CO2 I
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00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,880
nearly have empathy when I'm speaking to
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00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,640
them I know now you're probably going to
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00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,160
boot me off CH and
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00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,359
this about Mark some of them they're
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00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,400
easily
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lit you can kiss my American
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ass thank you very much very nice of you
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Twitter you sons of can you please
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reinstate my account thank you that's a
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00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,240
threat that you'd be worried of it so
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are you saying that you're being
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overwhelmed that you're inundated we are
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really working hard for you we're just
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asking patients to be patient with
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us we're now in Barbie world you weren't
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asked to give evidence to the Grand
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jurry I'm the only one that has been
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telling the truth you don't drink never
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taken drugs you're stinking Rich should
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you be
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concerned if it's on your mind it's on
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talk TV it's about you and your opinions
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if you're thinking about it we're
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talking about
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it it's all about me that a
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[Music]
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joke this is talk
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TV
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welcome back to on S we still with me is
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the CEO and co-founder of the daily wide
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Jeremy boring I'm joined by my pack the
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author and socialist Grace Blakeley to
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to a contributor Paul Ron Adrian and the
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journalist and author Hillary Freeman
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who I'll come to all three of you in a
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moment Jeremy I just want to talk to you
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just pivot slightly I read a column for
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the New York Post yesterday about this
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kind of fical situation in America where
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universities like Harvard who were
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literally just named the worst school in
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America for failure to ex exercise free
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speech on campus now saying that the
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reason they allowed their students to
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all sign this absurdly offensive letter
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in the immediate aftermath of these
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attacks effectively siding with Hamas uh
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was because of their Devotion to free
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speech and the reason I think it's
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relevant for you to answer that is I
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know that you as a company you're
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producing your own children's content to
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counter the left and woke propaganda and
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so on so it kinds to me there's a
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there's a neat link here but what are
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you making of what's been happening in
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these universities in America I think
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that the universities are in many ways
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00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,000
victims of their own rhetoric you one of
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the dangerous things to do in life is to
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say things out loud because pretty soon
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you'll have to defend them and soon
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after that you'll start to believe them
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and Harvard has been preaching this sort
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of intersectional hierarchy now for at
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least a decade and maybe more the
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problem with the intersectional
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hierarchy is that someone has to be on
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the bottom in the in the sort of name of
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00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:56,000
equality or fostering some sort of
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00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,880
better sense of equality they've created
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a situation where you know people who
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they see as having been historically in
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places of power now are at the very
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bottom and have been completely
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dehumanized and one of the funny quirks
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is they think that that is sort of
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anti-majoritarian
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anti-patriarchy you know in America it's
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00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,319
anti- Christian white male in
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00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,440
particular and that it protects
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00:46:15,319 --> 00:46:18,960
minorities but of course one of the
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smallest minorities in the world is the
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Jews and unfortunately in every other
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00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,240
way they seem to fit more in positions
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00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,680
of power they tend to excel acad Al they
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tend to excel in business they're
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disproportionately represented in media
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in education in science you know in
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traditionally white collar and
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governmental type roles and so the
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intersectional hierarchy being preached
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by these schools has left them in a
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position where you know the most
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probably hard done by minority of the
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20th and 21st century somehow has been
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dehumanized by them and they don't know
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how to get out of the way of their own
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bad extraord there was actually a
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professor at Cornell who was called on
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camera doing
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this I think we have it Hamas has
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shifted the balance of power
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yeah Hamas has
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punctured the
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illusion of
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invincibility that's what they've done
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it was
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exhilarating resistance life it was
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exhilarating it was energizing
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exhilarating and energizing that's a
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professor at a top American University
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and I found that completely shocking a
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that he would have that thought process
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but be you would be so brazenly free to
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do it in public like that well sure I
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mean if what that Professor had said
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instead is that gender and biological
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sex are inextricably linked he'd be out
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on the streets by now and never work
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00:47:47,319 --> 00:47:50,480
again instead he says that it's
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exhilarating to watch children murdered
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in their homes because of some sort of
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bizarre academic theory about power
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structures here's here's the thing
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strength does not necessarily connote
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virtue but strength also does not
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necessarily connote a lack of virtue
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weakness does not confer upon a person
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virtue any more than weakness confers
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upon a person a lack of virtue there are
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wonderful Jews in the world and there
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are terrible Jews in the world there are
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wonderful Muslims in the world and there
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are terrible Muslims in the world there
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are wonderful people in positions of
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strength I think the West is an a
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relatively extraordinary job compared to
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other societies throughout human history
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and there are terrible people in
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positions of we need only look to the
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ruling regime in China among others to
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know that when you collectivism is you
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forget about the individual right we
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00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,880
know a lot of this obviously starts from
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childhood you as a company have decided
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to take on this what you see is the
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indoctrination by the woke left of kids
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tell me just briefly about that yeah
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well I think that one of the things that
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we at the daily wire feel is that
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childhood uh has been sort of distorted
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on one hand we have this University
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system as you were just discussing that
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infantilizes adults we refer to 23
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three-year-olds as college kids and we
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treat them like that like kids who
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aren't responsible who have no agency
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who can't be held accountable for their
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own actions on the other hand we have
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actual children actual kids and instead
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of letting them live in a world of
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imagination and adventure and joy and
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00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,119
wonder we want to use them as political
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props we want to March them in our
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rallies uh we want to hold them up as
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some sort of symbol of the struggle
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against you know entrenched power
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00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,640
structures or whatever the the invogue
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00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,119
terms are and what we believe at the
1236
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,319
daily wire is actually why don't we let
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adults be adults incl including 23 year
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00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:29,040
olds and why don't we let children be
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00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
children and so we've launched this
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00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,160
initiative bent key which is our new
1241
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,920
company our new app and it's just
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00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,920
entertainment for kids it's not overtly
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00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,079
political we're overtly political as a
1244
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,280
company of course but our content at
1245
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:43,319
bent key is not it really is just a
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00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,359
place where kids can sit down actually
1247
00:49:43,319 --> 00:49:47,440
enjoy entertaining content and parents
1248
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:50,319
don't have to worry about having these
1249
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:53,480
sort of destructive ideas you know
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00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:56,400
Jeremy I've got four kids and I I say
1251
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hurrah to that honestly do I'm sick and
1252
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,079
tired of these kids getting grabbed by
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00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,319
people who think they know what's best
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00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:04,319
for what these kids should be thinking
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and doing it's it's ridiculous uh I've
1256
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got to leave it there Jeremy you've been
1257
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brilliant thank you very much indeed for
1258
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,880
rolling with the the punches earlier you
1259
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came on to talk about this and we then
1260
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brought you into to respond to what
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Bassam mus said I think that was
1262
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important and I I really appreciate
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00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,160
thank you very much thank you okay uh
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Hillary welcome first time we've had you
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on um Bassam mus have very fired up I
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mean a lot of people who are pro
1267
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Palestinian historically are very fired
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up about this tonight as we came on air
1269
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this as yet unverified in terms of who's
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responsible but it's it the Hamas are
1271
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claiming uh that this is an Israeli air
1272
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strike on a Hospital May killed 500
1273
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people it comes back to proportion for
1274
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me what is the correct response to the
1275
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:55,040
outrage of October the 7th I don't know
1276
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what the correct response is but I don't
1277
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believe that Israel would be stupid
1278
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enough to bomb a hospital the day before
1279
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Biden can I just say Israel has released
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00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,319
a statement already saying that they
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warned civilians to evacuate the
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00:51:05,319 --> 00:51:09,119
hospital not true that's been that's
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been taken down by Al jazer already it
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wasn't true there's a lot of stuff
1285
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,079
flying around there's a lot of people
1286
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putting videos they claim Hamas
1287
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:18,119
misfiring a rocket others are saying
1288
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:20,240
it's definitely Israeli I think we need
1289
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to wait for absolute Clarity on this
1290
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,920
what is indisputable is a hospital has
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been here and it appears hundreds and
1292
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,720
hundreds of people have died it it feels
1293
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to me with President Biden arriving
1294
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:31,720
tomorrow this is a bit of a gamech
1295
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,000
changer yeah yeah which is why I don't
1296
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:34,799
believe it was deliberate because it
1297
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,880
just seems it just doesn't make sense
1298
00:51:34,799 --> 00:51:37,640
that they would do that but is it the
1299
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kind of thing which you would say that
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if you're bombing the hell out of Gaza
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00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,760
and this happens is collateral damage
1302
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:46,319
and you have to suck it up I don't think
1303
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,000
Israel has ever targeted hospitals it
1304
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:49,839
would always avoid hospitals if it
1305
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,200
possibly could so no of course I don't
1306
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:52,960
think that it's good to I mean Israel
1307
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,599
has already targeted hospitals by saying
1308
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,960
that it was shutting off power and water
1309
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which resulted in hospitals overflowing
1310
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,839
with patients that were effectively
1311
00:51:58,359 --> 00:52:01,960
untreatable that was considered a war
1312
00:52:00,839 --> 00:52:03,440
crime many people have called that out
1313
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,960
was a war crime just to be clear the
1314
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,359
Reuters news agency is now reporting
1315
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,839
comments from the Israeli military
1316
00:52:06,359 --> 00:52:09,960
saying its intelligence shows a
1317
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:12,040
Palestinian Islamic Jihad group is
1318
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responsible for the hospital attack at a
1319
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,960
rocket barrage from Gaza intended for
1320
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:19,799
Israel pass near the Gaza hospital and
1321
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:22,480
is hereit we don't know you we don't
1322
00:52:19,799 --> 00:52:24,480
know let's talk about what we do know
1323
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,160
shall we okay we know that the Israeli
1324
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,920
state has committed war crimes we know
1325
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,599
that they have instituted a basically a
1326
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,599
regime of collective punishment we know
1327
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:33,480
now that they've used white phosphorus
1328
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:35,400
in uh civilian areas which is considered
1329
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,280
a war crime we know that this comes on
1330
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,359
the back of the brutalization for many
1331
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,079
many years now of the
1332
00:52:40,359 --> 00:52:44,359
Palestinian
1333
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over already
1334
00:52:44,359 --> 00:52:50,240
6,400 Palestinians have died inations
1335
00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:52,440
with troops since 2008 including 1,400
1336
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,359
children we also know that Hamas just
1337
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,559
perpetrated one of the worst Terror
1338
00:52:54,359 --> 00:52:58,000
attacks in modern history and the worst
1339
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:59,440
attack on Jewish people since the
1340
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Holocaust and so I can answer your
1341
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,520
question I can answer your question
1342
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about proportionality because
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international law tells us what the
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answer is in relation to proportionality
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it tells us that we have a right to
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defend ourselves it tells us that we
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have a right whilst defending ourselves
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to ensure that the outcome is Ultimate
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peace and that is what as far as I'm
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concerned we have not witnessed even in
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the minute that we've been on and if and
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if we were to ensure that the rule of
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law was applied which is what I hope Joe
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Biden is going to be um reinforcing when
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he visits and when Rishi sunak visits I
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hope that that's what they're going to
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reinforce this is quite clearly though
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not what many people within the Israeli
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government want one Israeli Minister
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said that he wanted to unleash a second
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NABA do you guys know what that means
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you know what the NABA was right the
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official position of the Israeli state
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for a long time has been there was no
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NAA there was no catastrophe this didn't
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00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,119
happen this foundational Act of VI
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00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,480
violence that really led up in many ways
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to the conflict we're seeing today to
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Min is's minister of National Security
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Ben says are the only thing that should
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enter Gaza until the hostages are
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released are hundreds of tons of
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explosives from the Israeli Air Force
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not an ounce of humanitarian Aid now
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that strikes me as a statement which
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doesn't care about international law
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clearly clearly right benav is apping
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00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,000
and problem isn't the problem Netanyahu
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00:54:22,359 --> 00:54:25,599
has he's packed his cabinet for
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political self expedience
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he's packed the cabinet with a bunch of
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00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,559
right-wing Headbangers say stuff that
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00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,640
have' been saying stuff like this for a
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00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:34,280
long time this year absolutely and that
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00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,520
has a part of the reason why this has
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00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:40,040
happened um but you can't blame Israel
1387
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,799
again for what Hamas did it's again
1388
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,640
people trying to justify Palestinians
1389
00:54:41,799 --> 00:54:46,079
all Palestinians for what Hamas has done
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00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,880
that is what many actually we've seen
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00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,040
now IDF soldiers we've seen people
1392
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,720
saying this is a war with Palestinian
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00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,559
civan do you agree that hamash should be
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00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:56,119
removed P piss you know my answer to
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00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,319
that question and it's so frustrating
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00:54:56,119 --> 00:55:00,040
the way that whenever anyone comes on
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00:54:57,319 --> 00:55:01,400
these show and talks about the
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horrendous loss of life that has been
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inflicted on Palestinian for many many
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years there this idea there's this idea
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that you can ask this question should we
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00:55:06,839 --> 00:55:11,880
condone Hass should we condone should we
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00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:13,440
condone Hass and what that does should
1404
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,000
be removed breaks of course Hamas should
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00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,559
be removed nobody seriously doubt as
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soon as you respond to the question I
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00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:22,319
said Israel has committed more crimes
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and you respond by saying should should
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we R the implications
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SYM my question is how do you remove
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them what you okay well what do we know
1412
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about Hamas we know that actually
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00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:36,119
Netanyahu has said in the past that he
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wanted to strengthen Hamas because that
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00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,640
was the only way that he could ever get
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00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,720
rid of the Palestinian State he has said
1417
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that outright we have evidence that he
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knew about these Terror attacks shinb
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00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:48,079
knew about these Terror we have we have
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evidence that shinb said this was an
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00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,680
immense intelligence failure and that
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00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,880
was there was Intelligence that
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00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,079
suggested that this was going to happen
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00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,880
there's there's no question
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would allow this to happen to his people
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00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,359
there is absolutely no way that's a
1427
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:04,599
conspiracy theory the head of shin as
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00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:06,640
said this was an extraordinary askary as
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00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:09,039
a Jewish person yeah this has been a
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00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,079
nightmare 10 days yes but as a
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00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,039
Palestinian person right now in Gaza
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00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:14,079
they're going through if they're an
1433
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:16,160
innocent Palestinian civilian they are
1434
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:18,039
going through utter hell too do you feel
1435
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,480
empathy for them I feel absolute empathy
1436
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:22,280
for them and all the Jewish people I
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00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,240
know nobody wants Palestinian people to
1438
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,960
suffer nobody does we want to get rid of
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00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,920
Hamas and we want our hostage is back
1440
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,520
and so to answer P's question how to
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00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,960
remove remove her mask is it going to
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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,440
happen by a ground wall
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00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,920
is that is the only way you can possibly
1444
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,359
do it but the consequences could be
1445
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,839
disastrous we've got to leave it there
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00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:40,400
we run out of time thank you all very
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00:56:38,839 --> 00:56:42,600
much indeed that's it for me whatever
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00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:49,609
you're up to keep been uncensored good
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[Music]
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