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Everything was built on blood.
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I seen a shadow run
towards the bathroom.
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It's almost like a joint poltergeist.
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They just keep beating each other.
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They were chasing geese across the pond
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and ended up drowning.
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The attacks become more violent.
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I'm hearing, like,
"Get out of the house."
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The blood is still flowing.
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Good energy stops right here.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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Ah. God.
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It's like, "I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people. Her
face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's like, "You think you can stop me?
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Because you can't."
And they speak to me.
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- What is he trying to do?
- Kill them.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real...
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Something happened. Bam, bam, bam.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve di Schiavi.
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I'm retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house, has secrets.
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They everywhere. It's
my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the
markings of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Is this Sted guy doing that to her?
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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Or time to get out.
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Somebody's gonna die over there soon.
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Yeah.
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- Sync and corrected by TheDelta -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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I'm in the city of Magna, Utah
just west of Salt Lake City.
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Now, I took this case for two reasons.
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First, the woman who called us in.
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She was crying on the phone
and sounded really scared.
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Second, there are kids
involved, three of them.
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And according to their mom
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they are being physically
and psychologically attacked
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by whatever's in that house.
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MAN: Before Amy arrives
I throw the house
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of any leading information.
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Family photographs and
other personal items
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can influence her findings
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so it's important I
cover or remove them all.
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When I'm finished the
location will be ready
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for tonight's walk.
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AMY: Good energy is not
making it into this home.
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Good energy stops right here.
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Unfortunately the people
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who've moved into this place, uh,
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have not been very stable.
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And because of all of
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that they're pulling
in this negative energy.
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The dead are attracted to this location
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because of all the drama and craziness.
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I feel really horrible,
sick, sick, sick.
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STEVE: So, Jennie,
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when we spoke on the phone
you sounded really upset.
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The reason I took this case is
because it involved children.
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- Yes.
- Your kids are going through
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- a rough time here?
- Yes, late nights with the kids.
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They are not sleeping in their rooms,
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they're staying up.
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And once I really started seeing
my kids go through things...
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- Right.
- That's when it's hard.
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Especially for my youngest.
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She is, like, so scared.
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She tries running out of the house.
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And so that's when you, like,
don't know what to do anymore.
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It's not anything any kid
should have to go through.
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No, especially when you can't
explain anything to them.
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Like, when they ask,
you know, why or what.
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And it's like you don't have
really anything for them.
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All right.
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So who exactly lives
in the house with you?
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That's all of us.
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All right. So who's here?
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This is Lexie, she's 11.
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And that's Summer, she's 7.
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- Okay.
- And then that's me.
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That's my son Zeke. He's 12.
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- Okay.
- And then my husband.
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- Okay.
- And he's 30.
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And then, that's my mom.
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So Jennie, has your mom
always lived with you?
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No, we moved her in
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because she was having
some surgeries done.
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What kind of surgeries?
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She's had to have some surgeries
to remove her brain tumor.
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- Really?
- This one was cancer,
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- like a stage two.
- Okay.
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So she's had to go through radiation.
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It kinda did a number on her this time.
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She still gets really
bad headaches sometimes.
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I don't like this.
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Headaches.
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Constant headaches, headaches,
headaches, headaches, headaches,
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stress, stress.
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Constant stress and headaches.
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There's abuse.
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I think it was some time ago.
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This person... This is,
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like, a safe haven to
get away from everything.
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But there is no really
getting away from everything.
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Being in here makes it worse.
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How long have you guys been living here?
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Since 2008.
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It was a beautiful house, you know,
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somewhere nice to raise the kids.
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So, Jennie, do you know
any history on the property?
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- Anything?
- Not a lot except for
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that it's a mining town.
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- A mining town?
- Yeah.
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That's interesting to know. Okay.
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Any idea what kind of...
what they're mining here?
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It might be copper.
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Okay. All right, Jennie.
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So do me a favor and give
me a list of the things
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you guys are experiencing.
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Bangs, voices
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and now things are moving.
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And we see dark shadows.
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And now it's gotten physical.
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Okay. Physical with who?
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My daughter Lexie.
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She got scratched.
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That's gotta be killing you.
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She's so scared that
something's gonna hurt her.
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That's the hardest part.
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I don't get a lot of sleep.
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We do a lot of camping
out in the living room.
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Have you guys done
anything to be proactive?
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Like, have you had the house blessed?
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- Have you done anything?
- Um, we've tried
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blessing it ourselves.
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We went and burned sage
through the house...
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- Okay.
- And, you know, salt.
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Did it work?
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No, it actually got a lot worse.
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Somebody did something out here.
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Some kind of protection thing.
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But it's wrong.
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It wasn't done right.
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It pushed all the bad,
icky [bleep] inside.
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It created this, like, suction
thing that's sucking in,
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uh, crazy [bleep].
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And it's keeping good stuff out.
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So, Jennie, why'd you take
me into the master bedroom?
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This is where, um, I have experiences.
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One night, I got woken up to the sheets
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being moved off of me and,
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like, somebody just touching
me, like, rubbing my shoulder.
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Now is there any way possible
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that your husband coulda
been strokin' your arm?
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Um, no, he was sleeping
facing towards the window.
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Okay, physically he
couldn't have done it.
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No.
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Anything else?
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- I will just be laying in bed...
- Okay.
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And I will get woken up by a humming
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- electric sound.
- Okay.
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And then all of a sudden these shadows
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will come from over there,
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from my dresser, and,
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like, they will slowly
start moving into me.
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And they're darker shadows.
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And you can hear them whispering.
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And so I'm just frozen there with them
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just standing over me.
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You must freak out
when you see this thing.
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I do. One time
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I said, "Okay, just take me."
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Like, I'm in full blown panic.
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So, like, your heart's racing...
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- Right.
- You're sweating,
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but I can't move, I can't talk.
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I see a woman.
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She looks like late thirties.
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And she is alive, crying.
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And she feels very lonely.
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She feels like she's been deserted.
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A lot of despair.
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I saw a younger male.
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He's a mess. He's a mess.
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He's done a lot of really bad things
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in his life.
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I think he's a addict.
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He's done just terrible things.
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And I don't know if he lives here
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or if he lived here.
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Uh, but I definitely got
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that he left a lot of energy behind.
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Uh, and there was something about guns.
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Seems like Jennie is
having a rough time.
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- Are you?
- Yes.
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Tell me about the
experiences you've had.
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I was walkin' into my room.
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I seen clothes swinging
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and a shadow run towards the bathroom.
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At the same time?
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- At the same time.
- And you're sure
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it wasn't one of the kids
running through the bed room?
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No, they were all in school.
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Okay, anything else?
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I walked into the laundry room
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and there was somebody standing there.
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I asked him, "Who are you?
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What are you doing here?"
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He just stood there, blank
stare at me and then gone.
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He just vanished.
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Okay, describe him to me.
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Complete black.
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Couldn't make out a face or anything.
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How do you explain it?
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- I can't figure it out.
- Okay.
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That must've scared the hell outta you.
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It scares the [bleep]
out of me is what it does.
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Somebody was in here.
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A living person felt their
hairs stand up, turned,
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saw a shadow figure move.
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More than once they've
seen this, more than once.
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The drug addict guy
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is projecting himself
as the shadow figure.
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[Shudders]
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This is a... not good place.
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Let me ask you a
question. How old are you?
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- I'm 12.
- Twelve.
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So, Zeke, tell me about
what you're seeing.
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A green guy.
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He comes through the wall
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and first you hear a big old bang
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and then I wake up and I see him.
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- And it's coming from that wall.
- Here?
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- Yep.
- All right.
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You're 12. All right.
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Are you fooling around taking
any of mommy and daddy's pills
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or anything like that?
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- No.
- All right.
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So you're not hallucinating
when you're seeing this stuff?
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No.
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Are you... are you hearing
or seeing anything else?
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I'm seeing a guy with a hat.
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Okay.
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Comes up through my
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ceiling in my closet.
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Okay, can you see any
features on this thing?
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- No, just the hat.
- All right. So, anything else?
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Um, I've heard the chairs
moving and the table moving.
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Where? In...
in the kitchen?
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- Yeah.
- Okay, so when you heard it move
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did you go out there and check it out?
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- Yeah.
- And what'd you see?
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Nothing, I looked just as normal.
261
00:12:00,607 --> 00:12:02,674
The stuff you're seeing is
pretty wild for an adult to see.
262
00:12:02,676 --> 00:12:05,844
Um, you realize this is not
normal for a 12 year old?
263
00:12:05,846 --> 00:12:07,579
Yeah.
264
00:12:11,618 --> 00:12:14,653
Everybody who's alive in the house, um,
265
00:12:14,655 --> 00:12:16,655
is like beating on each other.
266
00:12:16,657 --> 00:12:20,258
It's almost, like, a joint,
267
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like, poltergeist from all these people.
268
00:12:25,832 --> 00:12:27,866
They're, like, literally taking [bleep]
269
00:12:27,868 --> 00:12:30,869
Down on one another
via this poltergeist.
270
00:12:30,871 --> 00:12:32,237
I know they're seeing things
271
00:12:32,239 --> 00:12:36,641
but I can't quite see
what they're seeing.
272
00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:43,715
I don't know what's going
on with the... the ceiling.
273
00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:51,790
I'm feeling like a lot
of physical assaults here,
274
00:12:51,792 --> 00:12:55,694
and this is from living
people to other living people.
275
00:12:55,696 --> 00:12:58,730
It's just a [bleep] mess.
276
00:13:05,739 --> 00:13:07,906
So, Summer, tell me,
honey, how old are you?
277
00:13:07,908 --> 00:13:10,241
- Seven.
- So, Summer, I understand
278
00:13:10,243 --> 00:13:14,079
that you sleep out here most
of the time, is that right?
279
00:13:14,081 --> 00:13:15,980
Okay, because you're
afraid of your room?
280
00:13:15,982 --> 00:13:17,515
Mm-hmm.
281
00:13:17,517 --> 00:13:20,752
Okay, do you ever seen anything
when you're sleeping out here?
282
00:13:20,754 --> 00:13:23,355
Yeah. I see people.
283
00:13:23,357 --> 00:13:26,858
I... I think they
are trying to hurt me.
284
00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:28,226
All right, where do you see them?
285
00:13:28,228 --> 00:13:31,896
In my room, in the
kitchen and the bathroom.
286
00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:34,532
Okay, what else are
you hearing or seeing?
287
00:13:38,238 --> 00:13:39,504
I freak out.
288
00:13:39,506 --> 00:13:42,307
My parents come upstairs
and they check on me
289
00:13:42,309 --> 00:13:44,642
and I wake everybody up.
290
00:13:44,644 --> 00:13:47,912
- Okay.
- And I was like,
291
00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:49,347
"Call the cops."
292
00:13:49,349 --> 00:13:51,816
You're scared of this place, huh, honey?
293
00:13:51,818 --> 00:13:53,118
Yeah.
294
00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,353
Well, we're here to try
to get rid of everything.
295
00:13:55,355 --> 00:13:58,623
Would you like to go sleep
in your own room again?
296
00:13:58,625 --> 00:14:00,358
Okay.
297
00:14:02,763 --> 00:14:05,830
I would think that the living here
298
00:14:05,832 --> 00:14:07,499
are experiencing things
299
00:14:07,501 --> 00:14:09,634
like, you know, feeling slapped,
300
00:14:09,636 --> 00:14:13,571
headaches, panic attacks
for sure, anxiety,
301
00:14:13,573 --> 00:14:16,808
punched, kicked,
302
00:14:16,810 --> 00:14:20,311
possible sexual assaults...
303
00:14:23,617 --> 00:14:26,518
Very weird. It's weird.
304
00:14:36,430 --> 00:14:37,429
How old are you, honey?
305
00:14:37,431 --> 00:14:39,197
- I'm 11.
- Okay.
306
00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:42,667
So when I talked to mom, um,
she called us in basically
307
00:14:42,669 --> 00:14:44,169
because the stuff you're going through.
308
00:14:44,171 --> 00:14:45,236
Yeah.
309
00:14:45,238 --> 00:14:47,305
- Is that upsetting you?
- Yeah.
310
00:14:47,307 --> 00:14:49,908
So I understand you've been
having some experiences.
311
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:51,042
Yeah.
312
00:14:51,044 --> 00:14:52,510
Okay, can you mind
telling me about them?
313
00:14:52,512 --> 00:14:55,413
Um, I went upstairs.
314
00:14:55,415 --> 00:14:59,484
And I heard my door close,
315
00:14:59,486 --> 00:15:01,486
and then open and then close.
316
00:15:01,488 --> 00:15:03,721
And it went on and on and on.
317
00:15:03,723 --> 00:15:06,758
- Which door is this?
- It was that door.
318
00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,293
Okay, did you see it open and closing?
319
00:15:08,295 --> 00:15:09,727
Yes.
320
00:15:09,729 --> 00:15:11,830
Yes, but could the window
have been open in the bedroom
321
00:15:11,832 --> 00:15:13,331
that caused the door to open and shut?
322
00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:14,799
My dad came in and checked it out
323
00:15:14,801 --> 00:15:16,601
- and there was nothing in here.
- Nothing here.
324
00:15:16,603 --> 00:15:18,203
Okay, have you seen
or heard anything else?
325
00:15:18,205 --> 00:15:23,608
My dresser and my TV
they were both rocking.
326
00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:26,678
The dresser started going up and down?
327
00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,146
No, it started like...
328
00:15:28,148 --> 00:15:29,180
Teetering back and forth?
329
00:15:29,182 --> 00:15:31,049
Mm-hmm, yeah.
330
00:15:31,051 --> 00:15:32,250
The whole dresser itself?
331
00:15:32,252 --> 00:15:33,485
Yeah.
332
00:15:33,487 --> 00:15:34,719
Did you guys think you
were having a earthquake
333
00:15:34,721 --> 00:15:36,120
or something?
334
00:15:36,122 --> 00:15:39,791
No, because I didn't see
anything else shaking and...
335
00:15:39,793 --> 00:15:40,825
So it was just these two things?
336
00:15:40,827 --> 00:15:42,861
It was just those two things.
337
00:15:42,863 --> 00:15:44,529
All right. So anything else, honey?
338
00:15:44,531 --> 00:15:50,468
I got scratched right over here.
339
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:52,370
I was laying in my bed
340
00:15:52,372 --> 00:15:55,373
and my arm was hanging out like that.
341
00:15:55,375 --> 00:15:58,743
And then there was, like,
a little... like that.
342
00:15:58,745 --> 00:16:02,046
So this is a silly question
but are you scared to be here?
343
00:16:02,048 --> 00:16:05,583
I'm really scared to be here.
344
00:16:05,585 --> 00:16:08,219
Okay.
345
00:16:08,221 --> 00:16:10,955
I'm seeing, like, a teenage girl.
346
00:16:10,957 --> 00:16:13,057
Everybody's being affected.
347
00:16:13,059 --> 00:16:15,093
But it's almost like...
like she's really getting,
348
00:16:15,095 --> 00:16:17,428
like, the brunt.
349
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:21,132
You know what I mean? Like,
she's, like, ground zero.
350
00:16:21,134 --> 00:16:24,702
She has a lot of ability.
351
00:16:24,704 --> 00:16:27,639
She might be, uh,
352
00:16:27,641 --> 00:16:33,678
the biggest source
353
00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,981
and doesn't even know
it, doesn't even know it.
354
00:16:41,855 --> 00:16:43,988
So what do you think would happen, uh,
355
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:46,090
if this were to
continue going on
356
00:16:46,092 --> 00:16:48,159
and nothing was done about it?
357
00:16:48,161 --> 00:16:51,462
I think that the physical attacks
358
00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:55,600
would become more violent, uh,
359
00:16:55,602 --> 00:16:57,402
to where there would be,
360
00:16:57,404 --> 00:16:59,871
um, actual cutting
361
00:16:59,873 --> 00:17:02,874
or scratching involved.
362
00:17:02,876 --> 00:17:05,176
And, uh, possible smothering
363
00:17:05,178 --> 00:17:07,712
or strangulation to occur.
364
00:17:21,459 --> 00:17:23,892
STEVE: Other than a
family living in fear,
365
00:17:23,894 --> 00:17:26,929
I don't have much to go off
of to do my investigation.
366
00:17:26,931 --> 00:17:31,233
So I'm at the library to
see if I can dig anything up.
367
00:17:31,235 --> 00:17:32,568
Searching through old records,
368
00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:34,136
I find one of the original owners
369
00:17:34,138 --> 00:17:37,473
of my clients property
lost two young kids.
370
00:17:37,475 --> 00:17:42,344
Turns out they both
drowned in an accident.
371
00:17:42,346 --> 00:17:44,680
I'm on my way to meet
with a local genealogist
372
00:17:44,682 --> 00:17:46,915
who's looking into this tragedy for me.
373
00:17:46,917 --> 00:17:48,784
She tells me the kids
who drowned that day
374
00:17:48,786 --> 00:17:51,987
were direct descendants of
a very prominent local man.
375
00:17:57,394 --> 00:17:59,394
So, Christine, before
we get to the drownings
376
00:17:59,396 --> 00:18:02,464
you mentioned that the kids
were related to somebody famous.
377
00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:05,534
Yes, the children's grandfather
was Edward Watkins Clark.
378
00:18:05,536 --> 00:18:07,669
One of the first Mormon
settlers here in Utah.
379
00:18:07,671 --> 00:18:09,471
Okay. When did this guy come here?
380
00:18:09,473 --> 00:18:11,640
So, in 1852 he finally settled in Utah
381
00:18:11,642 --> 00:18:12,741
with his first wife.
382
00:18:12,743 --> 00:18:13,976
All right. So when Edward gets here
383
00:18:13,978 --> 00:18:15,744
- what does he do?
- He was a farmer.
384
00:18:15,746 --> 00:18:17,613
He was very prominent in the community.
385
00:18:17,615 --> 00:18:19,448
Everyone knew him and his wife, Lucy.
386
00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:21,150
He was actually elected
387
00:18:21,152 --> 00:18:23,252
to justice of the
peace out in Santaquin.
388
00:18:23,254 --> 00:18:24,319
Okay, you said his first wife.
389
00:18:24,321 --> 00:18:26,121
Can I assume his first wife died?
390
00:18:26,123 --> 00:18:27,389
No, actually the Mormon church
391
00:18:27,391 --> 00:18:29,725
encouraged polygamy at this time.
392
00:18:29,727 --> 00:18:31,760
And so he was encouraged
to take other wives.
393
00:18:31,762 --> 00:18:34,630
And in 1857 he married his
second wife, Louisa Miller,
394
00:18:34,632 --> 00:18:35,931
who was 20 years his junior.
395
00:18:35,933 --> 00:18:37,966
She was only 17 when they got married.
396
00:18:37,968 --> 00:18:39,168
Seventeen?
397
00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:41,703
I have a picture of
her when she's older.
398
00:18:41,705 --> 00:18:43,272
Now does he have kids with both of them?
399
00:18:43,274 --> 00:18:45,140
- Yes, 18.
- Wow.
400
00:18:45,142 --> 00:18:46,575
He had 10 with his first wife, Lucy,
401
00:18:46,577 --> 00:18:48,811
and eight with his second wife, Louisa.
402
00:18:48,813 --> 00:18:50,379
The second youngest is John Edward,
403
00:18:50,381 --> 00:18:52,314
who is the father of
the children who died.
404
00:18:52,316 --> 00:18:54,850
Okay.
405
00:18:54,852 --> 00:18:56,118
I'm seeing this woman
406
00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:00,823
and she's married to a much older male.
407
00:19:00,825 --> 00:19:04,393
She was probably in her late 20s
408
00:19:04,395 --> 00:19:06,662
and he was, like,
409
00:19:06,664 --> 00:19:08,931
between 60 and 70 years of age.
410
00:19:08,933 --> 00:19:12,000
He was prestigious.
411
00:19:12,002 --> 00:19:15,337
He was a big time business man.
412
00:19:15,339 --> 00:19:18,440
He kept fighting me because
he doesn't want me here.
413
00:19:18,442 --> 00:19:23,312
Uh, he doesn't want anything
about him or his family out.
414
00:19:25,082 --> 00:19:30,452
He wants to keep his
private life secret.
415
00:19:30,454 --> 00:19:33,422
Uh, and then
there's a...
416
00:19:33,424 --> 00:19:35,457
a... a younger female.
417
00:19:35,459 --> 00:19:38,093
And I don't know if
it's his step-daughter
418
00:19:38,095 --> 00:19:43,398
or if it's his biological daughter.
419
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:49,605
The girl doesn't look like
either one of them at all.
420
00:19:49,607 --> 00:19:52,741
The daughter is like 16 or something.
421
00:19:52,743 --> 00:19:56,812
Um, and he was having an
inappropriate relationship
422
00:19:56,814 --> 00:19:58,146
with her
423
00:19:58,148 --> 00:20:01,650
and also very abusive and controlling.
424
00:20:01,652 --> 00:20:05,387
I guess you would wanna keep that quiet.
425
00:20:05,389 --> 00:20:07,022
So I know Edward's son, John,
426
00:20:07,024 --> 00:20:08,523
owned my clients' property at one point.
427
00:20:08,525 --> 00:20:10,092
Do you know when that was?
428
00:20:10,094 --> 00:20:12,961
1923 is when he bought
the property out in Magna.
429
00:20:12,963 --> 00:20:15,998
Okay, so now how many kids did he have?
430
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,332
He had eight children in total.
431
00:20:17,334 --> 00:20:19,601
He had three girls and five little boys.
432
00:20:19,603 --> 00:20:21,303
Okay, so take me through
the day of the accident.
433
00:20:21,305 --> 00:20:24,539
- What happened?
- Uh, it was January 2, 1926.
434
00:20:24,541 --> 00:20:27,009
It was a day a lot like
today where the sun is out
435
00:20:27,011 --> 00:20:28,610
and all the snow is on the ground
436
00:20:28,612 --> 00:20:31,246
and the pond probably looked
a lot like this, very frozen.
437
00:20:31,248 --> 00:20:33,348
Three of the little boys, Floydd,
438
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:36,551
Morris and Lennis, all take
their friend Clarence out.
439
00:20:36,553 --> 00:20:38,887
And they were chasing
geese across the pond
440
00:20:38,889 --> 00:20:41,023
but it was too thin and
all the boys fell through.
441
00:20:41,025 --> 00:20:42,324
Wow.
442
00:20:42,326 --> 00:20:44,726
And Clarence was able to
help Floydd out of the water
443
00:20:44,728 --> 00:20:47,429
but Morris and Lennis ended up drowning.
444
00:20:47,431 --> 00:20:48,697
I have their death certificates.
445
00:20:48,699 --> 00:20:51,733
So this is Morris Ruden,
446
00:20:51,735 --> 00:20:52,968
and his death certificate even says,
447
00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:55,570
"Accidental drowning." Okay.
448
00:20:55,572 --> 00:20:58,774
And then Lennis Dean, same thing.
449
00:20:58,776 --> 00:21:00,175
All right, so they lost
two kids to drowning.
450
00:21:00,177 --> 00:21:02,678
Tragic. I mean, I can't
even imagine losing one
451
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,079
- let alone two.
- Yeah.
452
00:21:04,081 --> 00:21:05,614
So what happened
with... with John?
453
00:21:05,616 --> 00:21:07,182
I mean, did him and
his wife stick around
454
00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:08,483
- after this happened?
- They did.
455
00:21:08,485 --> 00:21:10,185
John actually did not
release the property
456
00:21:10,187 --> 00:21:12,921
until 1953 is when he sold it actually
457
00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:16,491
a few months before he died,
when his heart collapsed.
458
00:21:16,493 --> 00:21:18,827
Okay.
459
00:21:18,829 --> 00:21:22,931
I do see a different house,
uh, that was here prior.
460
00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:28,036
This house took up
several acres of property.
461
00:21:28,038 --> 00:21:33,675
I'm hearing a woman
screaming and crying.
462
00:21:33,677 --> 00:21:37,245
And it's over a death.
463
00:21:37,247 --> 00:21:38,981
She's outside.
464
00:21:44,221 --> 00:21:46,521
It might be in the
backyard or something.
465
00:21:46,523 --> 00:21:51,360
This person couldn't get over it.
466
00:21:51,362 --> 00:21:52,627
Uh,
can't...
467
00:21:52,629 --> 00:21:55,764
can't get over it.
468
00:21:55,766 --> 00:21:56,999
She's like, "Why?
469
00:21:57,001 --> 00:21:58,767
Why?"
470
00:22:00,804 --> 00:22:02,671
Very dramatic.
471
00:22:02,673 --> 00:22:04,940
Uh, like, her hands are up, like, "Why?
472
00:22:04,942 --> 00:22:09,745
Why? Why? No, no, no."
473
00:22:15,886 --> 00:22:17,219
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474
00:22:17,221 --> 00:22:19,121
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475
00:22:19,123 --> 00:22:22,157
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476
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:23,625
Click on "Help me, Dead
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477
00:22:23,627 --> 00:22:24,760
And we'll help if we can.
478
00:22:33,418 --> 00:22:34,717
Jennie told me she thought there used
479
00:22:34,719 --> 00:22:36,819
to be a lot of copper
mining in the area.
480
00:22:36,821 --> 00:22:39,689
So I made some calls and
it turns out she's right.
481
00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:42,558
I'm meeting a historian who
says mining killed two men
482
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,527
who live on my clients' land.
483
00:22:51,202 --> 00:22:53,669
So, Robert, what can you tell
me about the mining industry
484
00:22:53,671 --> 00:22:54,937
in Magna?
485
00:22:54,939 --> 00:22:57,040
Well Magna actually started
out as a farming community.
486
00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,509
- Okay.
- But it wasn't until 1906
487
00:22:59,511 --> 00:23:01,711
that the Utah Copper
Company brought in the...
488
00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:04,180
the biggest, uh, refining
489
00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:08,117
and smelting, uh, operation
in world history at the time.
490
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,988
Millions of tons of ore was
being processed every year.
491
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:13,423
So it's basically all copper?
492
00:23:13,425 --> 00:23:15,391
Mostly copper, that's
what they're renowned for.
493
00:23:15,393 --> 00:23:17,226
You can talk about a real
dangerous work environment.
494
00:23:17,228 --> 00:23:20,096
It was very dangerous,
uh, very toxic environment.
495
00:23:20,098 --> 00:23:22,198
- Okay.
- A lot of sulfuric emissions,
496
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,333
heavy metal particulates
and even asbestos.
497
00:23:24,335 --> 00:23:26,636
So the odds are stacked against you.
498
00:23:26,638 --> 00:23:28,871
So you had mentioned on
the phone, uh, two guys
499
00:23:28,873 --> 00:23:30,339
that lived on my clients' property, uh,
500
00:23:30,341 --> 00:23:32,809
died in connection with the mining.
501
00:23:32,811 --> 00:23:34,210
Tell me about the first guy.
502
00:23:34,212 --> 00:23:36,045
First guys name is Wallace Anderson.
503
00:23:36,047 --> 00:23:37,980
- Okay.
- He bought your clients' property
504
00:23:37,982 --> 00:23:39,482
in 1936.
505
00:23:39,484 --> 00:23:40,583
So what happened to him?
506
00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:43,553
Well, by 1944 it catches up to him.
507
00:23:43,555 --> 00:23:45,254
Uh, he's in your clients' house.
508
00:23:45,256 --> 00:23:46,889
He's feeling pain in his lungs.
509
00:23:46,891 --> 00:23:48,091
He's having trouble breathing.
510
00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:49,992
He checks himself into the hospital.
511
00:23:49,994 --> 00:23:51,394
He's there for 12 days.
512
00:23:51,396 --> 00:23:52,795
And he dies.
513
00:23:52,797 --> 00:23:54,831
Okay, so what's the
official cause of death?
514
00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:56,833
It's bronchogenic carcinoma.
515
00:23:56,835 --> 00:24:00,436
It's lung cancer.
516
00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:03,139
Pretty common way to go
for mine workers back then.
517
00:24:03,141 --> 00:24:04,407
It was.
518
00:24:04,409 --> 00:24:05,508
Now, Robert, you mentioned
there was a second guy
519
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:07,343
that died on my clients' property.
520
00:24:07,345 --> 00:24:08,511
Right. Who, uh, who was that?
521
00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:11,714
His name was Paul William Confer.
522
00:24:11,716 --> 00:24:13,683
He was actually renting the property
523
00:24:13,685 --> 00:24:15,451
from Wallace's widow.
524
00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:17,019
Okay, so what happened?
525
00:24:17,021 --> 00:24:18,754
In 1948, he goes down
526
00:24:18,756 --> 00:24:20,990
inside the mine in a blasting team
527
00:24:20,992 --> 00:24:22,625
- with another fella...
- Okay.
528
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,560
And they never came out
with the other groups.
529
00:24:24,562 --> 00:24:26,062
And so they sent a
search party down there
530
00:24:26,064 --> 00:24:27,630
and discovered that they'd been killed.
531
00:24:27,632 --> 00:24:28,998
They were killed in an explosion.
532
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,134
And here's his death certificate.
533
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,202
Subtotal decapitation,
534
00:24:33,204 --> 00:24:36,339
amputation both arms,
puncture wounds both legs.
535
00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:38,774
Did they ever figure out
what caused the explosion?
536
00:24:38,776 --> 00:24:41,677
- Either a faulty fuse...
- Okay.
537
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:43,880
Or it was negligence on
the part of the miners.
538
00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:46,516
Geez. Are the mines still going on?
539
00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:48,618
Yeah. The mine is still running today.
540
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:50,753
So I'm assuming it's a
cleaner operation today?
541
00:24:50,755 --> 00:24:52,555
It is. In 1994 the EPA
542
00:24:52,557 --> 00:24:56,459
stepped in and declared Magna
an environmental disaster zone.
543
00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:59,362
After 100 years of industry, uh,
544
00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:01,197
the water was contaminated.
545
00:25:01,199 --> 00:25:02,965
The soil was contaminated.
546
00:25:02,967 --> 00:25:04,834
What kinds of effects
could that have on somebody?
547
00:25:04,836 --> 00:25:07,069
Today still the lung cancer rate
548
00:25:07,071 --> 00:25:09,539
is 50 percent greater
than the rest of the state.
549
00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:11,908
And not only cancer but high rates
550
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:14,377
of ADD, autism, delirium
551
00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:16,345
and even hallucinations.
552
00:25:16,347 --> 00:25:19,215
Really? That's interesting.
553
00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:25,888
There's a lot of residual energy here.
554
00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:28,457
I saw on the land
555
00:25:28,459 --> 00:25:32,228
that everything was built on blood.
556
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:35,431
And I see the blood is still flowing.
557
00:25:37,502 --> 00:25:41,804
Uh, and they said it was built
and blood and dirty dealings
558
00:25:41,806 --> 00:25:46,742
and that both of those things
are still happening today.
559
00:25:46,744 --> 00:25:49,378
And that's why the
blood is still flowing.
560
00:25:49,380 --> 00:25:51,747
[Shudders]
561
00:25:51,749 --> 00:25:53,749
This is a not good place.
562
00:26:00,124 --> 00:26:02,992
Look, if contaminated water
can cause hallucinations
563
00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:05,261
it could explain some of
the really strange things
564
00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:07,263
Jennie and her family are seeing.
565
00:26:07,265 --> 00:26:09,131
I'm heading back to the
house to meet an inspector
566
00:26:09,133 --> 00:26:12,835
who's going to give the water
a thorough, scientific test.
567
00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:21,344
- Hey, Jonathan.
- How's it goin'?
568
00:26:21,346 --> 00:26:22,678
Thanks for coming by. I appreciate it.
569
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,846
Yeah. You bet.
570
00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:25,314
The reason I called
you out is my clients
571
00:26:25,316 --> 00:26:27,717
that live in this
house, they're telling me
572
00:26:27,719 --> 00:26:29,552
that they're seeing
some really off the wall,
573
00:26:29,554 --> 00:26:30,820
bizarre stuff.
574
00:26:30,822 --> 00:26:32,588
Now I know this place
in '94 was considered
575
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:34,957
- a EPA disaster area.
- That's correct.
576
00:26:34,959 --> 00:26:36,592
I mean, all along the Wasatch Front
577
00:26:36,594 --> 00:26:38,527
we see a number of locations
578
00:26:38,529 --> 00:26:41,664
that have had some kind of
environmental hazards, uh,
579
00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:44,600
primarily due to the proximity
of local mines in the area.
580
00:26:44,602 --> 00:26:45,801
Now, could you test to see
581
00:26:45,803 --> 00:26:47,970
if there's any kind of
environmental problem
582
00:26:47,972 --> 00:26:49,972
that could cause these
people to have hallucinations?
583
00:26:49,974 --> 00:26:51,073
Yeah. Absolutely.
584
00:26:51,075 --> 00:26:52,942
Okay, good. Let me know what you find.
585
00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:54,710
Will do.
586
00:26:57,382 --> 00:27:00,182
I've clients seeing
things moving on their own
587
00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:02,618
and green men coming out of the walls
588
00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,920
which means there are
three possibilities.
589
00:27:04,922 --> 00:27:06,255
One, they're lying to me.
590
00:27:06,257 --> 00:27:08,691
But I don't think that's the case.
591
00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:09,959
Two, their soil
592
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,895
or water is contaminated
causing them to hallucinate.
593
00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:15,398
Or three, there's something
going on that only Amy
594
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,399
can understand.
595
00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:18,200
So, how'd it go?
596
00:27:18,202 --> 00:27:19,769
Well we tested the soil, uh,
597
00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,837
the water as well as
the paint on the walls
598
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:23,572
and we didn't find any contaminants.
599
00:27:23,574 --> 00:27:24,640
Really?
600
00:27:24,642 --> 00:27:26,042
So there's no environmental reason
601
00:27:26,044 --> 00:27:27,710
why clients are seeing what
the hell they're seeing?
602
00:27:27,712 --> 00:27:29,879
- No.
- Okay.
603
00:27:29,881 --> 00:27:31,647
So now I know what it's not.
604
00:27:40,491 --> 00:27:42,325
I saw a lot of disturbing activity
605
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:43,459
during my walk.
606
00:27:43,461 --> 00:27:45,528
But the drug addict who projects himself
607
00:27:45,530 --> 00:27:48,197
as the shadow figure really stood out.
608
00:27:48,199 --> 00:27:49,231
He was young,
609
00:27:49,233 --> 00:27:53,269
I would say between 18 and 24.
610
00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:58,040
He had a very narrow, uh, nose.
611
00:27:58,042 --> 00:28:01,911
He also had very dark eyes, kinda black.
612
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,687
Is this who you saw?
613
00:28:11,689 --> 00:28:13,122
Yes.
614
00:28:33,667 --> 00:28:36,568
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
615
00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:37,702
we're ready to reveal our findings
616
00:28:37,704 --> 00:28:39,638
to each other and our clients
617
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640
for the first time.
618
00:28:41,642 --> 00:28:44,176
So, Amy, I want you to
meet Randall and Jennie.
619
00:28:44,178 --> 00:28:47,279
They're experiencing some pretty
bizarre stuff in their house.
620
00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:50,248
But the reason they called us
in is because of their kids.
621
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:53,451
We got a photo of the family here.
622
00:28:53,453 --> 00:28:55,520
Now, this is Lexie, she's 11.
623
00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:58,623
This is Summer, she's
an adorable 7-year-old.
624
00:28:58,625 --> 00:29:01,226
This is their Zeke, who's 12.
625
00:29:01,228 --> 00:29:03,628
And this is, uh, Jennie's mom, Debbie,
626
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:04,829
who lives with them.
627
00:29:04,831 --> 00:29:06,498
These guys think that
whatever's in the house
628
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:07,999
is going after the kids.
629
00:29:08,001 --> 00:29:09,234
And they promised me they'll do
630
00:29:09,236 --> 00:29:11,169
whatever it takes to keep them safe.
631
00:29:11,171 --> 00:29:13,505
So now that Amy knows a
little bit about your family,
632
00:29:13,507 --> 00:29:16,174
I'm going to, uh, ask
her to describe her walk.
633
00:29:19,046 --> 00:29:22,781
AMY: Walking up to your
home, to the front door,
634
00:29:22,783 --> 00:29:25,584
I saw a male, uh,
635
00:29:25,586 --> 00:29:28,620
doing some kind of ritual
636
00:29:28,622 --> 00:29:31,256
or protection.
637
00:29:31,258 --> 00:29:33,391
Who ever this was,
638
00:29:33,393 --> 00:29:36,895
and whatever he did, was not good.
639
00:29:36,897 --> 00:29:41,566
It created a type of negative suction
640
00:29:41,568 --> 00:29:43,134
into your house.
641
00:29:43,136 --> 00:29:45,203
And unfortunately all good energy
642
00:29:45,205 --> 00:29:48,306
stops right at your front door.
643
00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:50,108
That's weird because I
don't know about a male,
644
00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:53,278
but you mentioned to me
that you guys did something.
645
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,347
Yeah. Me and my
mother-in-law,
646
00:29:55,349 --> 00:29:56,681
we tried to cleanse the house
647
00:29:56,683 --> 00:29:59,618
with, like, sage and salt.
648
00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:00,885
Now she's talking about negativity.
649
00:30:00,887 --> 00:30:02,487
Have you guys felt that in the house?
650
00:30:02,489 --> 00:30:04,155
Sometimes when you just
come home it just...
651
00:30:04,157 --> 00:30:06,725
just doesn't feel right.
It doesn't feel like home.
652
00:30:06,727 --> 00:30:10,161
Wow.
653
00:30:10,163 --> 00:30:12,297
STEVE: So what else did you see?
654
00:30:12,299 --> 00:30:16,134
I encountered an elderly deceased male.
655
00:30:16,136 --> 00:30:18,970
What he was saying to me
was that when he was alive
656
00:30:18,972 --> 00:30:21,106
he was very prestigious.
657
00:30:21,108 --> 00:30:23,308
He was a big player.
658
00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:26,044
He absolutely did not want me there.
659
00:30:26,046 --> 00:30:29,981
What I did get was that
there were two women, uh,
660
00:30:29,983 --> 00:30:31,583
of importance in his life.
661
00:30:31,585 --> 00:30:34,019
One was his wife.
662
00:30:34,021 --> 00:30:37,989
The wife was much younger than him.
663
00:30:37,991 --> 00:30:39,624
She was in her twenties.
664
00:30:39,626 --> 00:30:42,193
And then one was a younger girl.
665
00:30:42,195 --> 00:30:45,196
And I didn't know if that was
his daughter or step-daughter.
666
00:30:45,198 --> 00:30:47,766
And the girl was about 16.
667
00:30:47,768 --> 00:30:49,934
And what I did get
668
00:30:49,936 --> 00:30:52,771
was that there was an
inappropriate relationship
669
00:30:52,773 --> 00:30:55,540
between him and the younger girl.
670
00:30:55,542 --> 00:31:00,045
And I felt like that's what
he was trying to conceal.
671
00:31:00,047 --> 00:31:02,981
He's very grouchy, very controlling.
672
00:31:02,983 --> 00:31:05,750
And when he is inside of the home
673
00:31:05,752 --> 00:31:11,022
the men of the house may take
on these kinds of attitudes.
674
00:31:11,024 --> 00:31:13,525
Well, Jennie, have you noticed
that with Randall or Zeke?
675
00:31:13,527 --> 00:31:15,760
Yeah. Big time.
676
00:31:15,762 --> 00:31:17,495
I came across somebody in my research
677
00:31:17,497 --> 00:31:18,530
that might fit the bill.
678
00:31:18,532 --> 00:31:21,032
His name was Edward Watkins Clark.
679
00:31:21,034 --> 00:31:22,767
You had mentioned he was prestigious.
680
00:31:22,769 --> 00:31:26,104
He was a famous pioneer
for the Mormon church.
681
00:31:26,106 --> 00:31:28,973
He came over from England in 1852.
682
00:31:28,975 --> 00:31:31,676
He brought his wife
Lucy over with his kids.
683
00:31:31,678 --> 00:31:32,911
Now you mentioned a teenage girl
684
00:31:32,913 --> 00:31:35,280
that might be his daughter
or a step-daughter.
685
00:31:35,282 --> 00:31:39,784
Well back in those days
they preached polygamy.
686
00:31:39,786 --> 00:31:41,486
He was 37.
687
00:31:41,488 --> 00:31:42,654
And he married his girl, Louisa,
688
00:31:42,656 --> 00:31:46,324
who was, uh, 17 at the time.
689
00:31:46,326 --> 00:31:47,826
Now I got a photo of her
690
00:31:47,828 --> 00:31:53,298
but this is from when
she was much older.
691
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,800
Now together with his
two wives he had 18 kids.
692
00:31:55,802 --> 00:31:58,436
The 17th child,
693
00:31:58,438 --> 00:32:01,373
named John, ended up
living on your property.
694
00:32:04,311 --> 00:32:08,613
AMY: The next thing that
I saw is a younger male.
695
00:32:08,615 --> 00:32:12,884
And I honestly couldn't
tell if he was alive or dead.
696
00:32:12,886 --> 00:32:16,321
If he is deceased it
was extremely recent.
697
00:32:16,323 --> 00:32:18,256
He was in the downstairs,
698
00:32:18,258 --> 00:32:20,925
large, downstairs bedroom.
699
00:32:20,927 --> 00:32:22,961
He was very agitated.
700
00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:25,730
He felt like everybody
was out to get him.
701
00:32:25,732 --> 00:32:27,899
He felt like he was falling apart.
702
00:32:27,901 --> 00:32:30,802
The living, who would
be down there a lot,
703
00:32:30,804 --> 00:32:34,773
would feel this sense
of despair or depression.
704
00:32:34,775 --> 00:32:37,709
And I think if you were to see him
705
00:32:37,711 --> 00:32:39,911
it would be a shadow-like figure.
706
00:32:39,913 --> 00:32:42,313
Now, Jennie, you had your own
experiences with shadow figures?
707
00:32:42,315 --> 00:32:44,749
- Yeah.
- Tell her what you told me.
708
00:32:44,751 --> 00:32:47,652
And I'll just be right
there, by my dresser,
709
00:32:47,654 --> 00:32:49,220
and then he'll come towards me.
710
00:32:49,222 --> 00:32:51,689
But then I'm stuck in my
bed. And I'm just frozen.
711
00:32:51,691 --> 00:32:56,628
I'm sweating, breathing
hard, just can't do anything.
712
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:58,596
Randall, didn't you see
another one leering at you
713
00:32:58,598 --> 00:33:00,165
at one point?
714
00:33:00,167 --> 00:33:02,634
I asked him, "Who are
you? What do you want?"
715
00:33:02,636 --> 00:33:04,436
- Mm-hmm.
- It just looked at me...
716
00:33:04,438 --> 00:33:07,305
- Mm-hmm.
- Then gone, just vanished.
717
00:33:07,307 --> 00:33:09,641
STEVE: Did you get anything
about this guy in life?
718
00:33:09,643 --> 00:33:13,545
AMY: What I got on him
was that he was, I think,
719
00:33:13,547 --> 00:33:14,813
in his twenties.
720
00:33:14,815 --> 00:33:17,382
He claimed to have done
a lot of terrible things
721
00:33:17,384 --> 00:33:18,983
during his lifetime.
722
00:33:18,985 --> 00:33:23,755
I just see him with a
rifle and a small handgun.
723
00:33:23,757 --> 00:33:26,491
And I did get that he was an addict
724
00:33:26,493 --> 00:33:28,993
and/or fighting addiction.
725
00:33:28,995 --> 00:33:31,329
I got a sense that he did live here.
726
00:33:31,331 --> 00:33:34,265
And like I said, if he still alive,
727
00:33:34,267 --> 00:33:37,735
he essentially left part of himself.
728
00:33:37,737 --> 00:33:39,537
STEVE: Did you get a good look at him?
729
00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:42,073
- I had a sketch done.
- Okay.
730
00:33:51,017 --> 00:33:52,383
Maybe you guys can
tell me if they...
731
00:33:52,385 --> 00:33:55,153
he looks like anybody
that you might know.
732
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,294
- My brother.
- Yeah.
733
00:34:03,296 --> 00:34:06,097
My brother's sittin' in jail right now.
734
00:34:06,099 --> 00:34:07,565
What?
735
00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:09,567
Any issues with guns and
stuff that she's talking about?
736
00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:13,271
Yeah. He...
he loves guns.
737
00:34:13,273 --> 00:34:14,939
This is pretty wild.
738
00:34:14,941 --> 00:34:16,274
So let me get this straight,
739
00:34:16,276 --> 00:34:17,942
it's possible for somebody
740
00:34:17,944 --> 00:34:21,145
who's not dead to haunt the house?
741
00:34:21,147 --> 00:34:24,549
AMY: Sometimes people
will really leave a, like,
742
00:34:24,551 --> 00:34:27,819
really a part of themselves there.
743
00:34:27,821 --> 00:34:30,288
This has gotta be tough
for you to hear though?
744
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:32,056
Yeah. Very.
745
00:34:35,161 --> 00:34:37,395
STEVE: So what else?
746
00:34:37,397 --> 00:34:39,497
AMY: I went into the pink room.
747
00:34:39,499 --> 00:34:42,534
And I got a horrible headache.
748
00:34:42,536 --> 00:34:44,235
It was overwhelming.
749
00:34:44,237 --> 00:34:48,006
And I felt like a woman
stays there, goes there,
750
00:34:48,008 --> 00:34:49,674
feels like the room is a safe haven
751
00:34:49,676 --> 00:34:50,975
to get away from everything.
752
00:34:50,977 --> 00:34:52,810
But it's not.
753
00:34:52,812 --> 00:34:57,782
And she keeps feeling
pain from life loss.
754
00:34:57,784 --> 00:35:00,184
I got loss, abuse and death.
755
00:35:00,186 --> 00:35:02,186
When she's in there, it just
756
00:35:02,188 --> 00:35:06,157
feels like it's all
happening again and again.
757
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,493
Well that's the room where Jennie's mom,
758
00:35:08,495 --> 00:35:09,994
Debbie, sleeps.
759
00:35:09,996 --> 00:35:13,131
Um, my mom has had a
couple brain surgeries.
760
00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:14,365
Oh, wow.
761
00:35:14,367 --> 00:35:17,435
And the last one was a stage two cancer.
762
00:35:17,437 --> 00:35:19,404
So she does get headaches a lot.
763
00:35:19,406 --> 00:35:21,172
So what she's saying kinda makes sense?
764
00:35:21,174 --> 00:35:22,273
Yeah.
765
00:35:22,275 --> 00:35:25,510
She's been through a lot.
766
00:35:25,512 --> 00:35:28,346
STEVE: Now'd you see anything else?
767
00:35:28,348 --> 00:35:30,214
So the thing I'm most concerned about
768
00:35:30,216 --> 00:35:34,519
is the poltergeist
activity in the house.
769
00:35:34,521 --> 00:35:38,756
A poltergeist is usually created
770
00:35:38,758 --> 00:35:41,426
by one living agent who has abilities.
771
00:35:41,428 --> 00:35:44,362
But in your case it's unusual
772
00:35:44,364 --> 00:35:48,566
because you have several people
in your home with abilities.
773
00:35:48,568 --> 00:35:50,602
And they're all feeding this poltergeist
774
00:35:50,604 --> 00:35:52,136
without even knowing it.
775
00:35:54,441 --> 00:35:57,875
And what can happen
776
00:35:57,877 --> 00:36:02,413
is that when you get
upset with somebody,
777
00:36:02,415 --> 00:36:04,916
the poltergeist will affect that person.
778
00:36:04,918 --> 00:36:06,217
So, suddenly, that person will feel
779
00:36:06,219 --> 00:36:07,986
like they're being smacked,
780
00:36:07,988 --> 00:36:09,387
pinched, punched,
781
00:36:09,389 --> 00:36:11,623
kicked, scratches will appear,
782
00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:13,725
things like that happen.
783
00:36:13,727 --> 00:36:16,194
Also, you'll see strange things.
784
00:36:16,196 --> 00:36:20,565
It's a result of this
poltergeist manifestation
785
00:36:20,567 --> 00:36:24,602
from somebody in the house.
786
00:36:24,604 --> 00:36:26,738
Now, she hit on a lot of things
you guys are experiencing.
787
00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:28,172
Lexie with the scratch.
788
00:36:28,174 --> 00:36:29,974
Tell Amy what happened.
789
00:36:29,976 --> 00:36:32,276
We were all getting
ready to leave, you know,
790
00:36:32,278 --> 00:36:34,212
and she's walking down the hall
791
00:36:34,214 --> 00:36:37,315
and all of a sudden
she's just scratched.
792
00:36:37,317 --> 00:36:41,352
Tell her about, uh, pretty
wild, there's the door.
793
00:36:41,354 --> 00:36:44,822
Lexie was going into
the kitchen to get food.
794
00:36:44,824 --> 00:36:46,190
And she was almost to the kitchen
795
00:36:46,192 --> 00:36:48,026
but her bedroom door was sitting
there opening and closing,
796
00:36:48,028 --> 00:36:50,194
like, fully opening and closing.
797
00:36:50,196 --> 00:36:52,897
You were saying people
might see strange things?
798
00:36:52,899 --> 00:36:55,266
Now get this, their son Zeke
799
00:36:55,268 --> 00:36:57,393
was telling me some crazy stuff.
800
00:36:57,395 --> 00:37:00,096
I mean, green men
coming outta the walls...
801
00:37:00,098 --> 00:37:01,130
- Oh, yeah.
- Oh.
802
00:37:01,132 --> 00:37:02,565
Oh, yeah.
803
00:37:02,567 --> 00:37:04,834
STEVE: Could all this activity
be from the poltergeist?
804
00:37:04,836 --> 00:37:08,471
Yes, absolutely.
805
00:37:08,473 --> 00:37:09,806
STEVE: All right. Now, there's
something you gotta know
806
00:37:09,808 --> 00:37:11,307
about the area that they live in.
807
00:37:11,309 --> 00:37:14,177
It's basically built on
a copper mining business.
808
00:37:14,179 --> 00:37:15,912
1994 the EPA came in
809
00:37:15,914 --> 00:37:19,549
and declared the area an
environmental disaster zone.
810
00:37:19,551 --> 00:37:21,584
- What?
- Now some of the toxins
811
00:37:21,586 --> 00:37:23,252
in the water can cause hallucinations.
812
00:37:23,254 --> 00:37:25,722
So I had everything
checked in your house.
813
00:37:25,724 --> 00:37:28,725
I had the soil, the water and paint.
814
00:37:28,727 --> 00:37:31,227
Everything came back negative.
815
00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:34,430
AMY: Yeah. I think the kids
are creating the strange visions
816
00:37:34,432 --> 00:37:35,965
to scare each other.
817
00:37:35,967 --> 00:37:37,533
They're torturing each other.
818
00:37:40,105 --> 00:37:41,571
Do they know they're
doing that to each other?
819
00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:43,940
No, I don't think they do.
820
00:37:43,942 --> 00:37:45,541
But it's subconsciously
they're doing it?
821
00:37:45,543 --> 00:37:47,677
Yes, mm-hmm.
822
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,980
The strongest agent in the house, uh,
823
00:37:50,982 --> 00:37:52,682
of this ability
824
00:37:52,684 --> 00:37:54,817
is Lexie.
825
00:37:54,819 --> 00:37:56,185
Wow.
826
00:37:56,187 --> 00:37:58,488
I... I don't know... I
don't know what to say.
827
00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:00,089
I knew she was going through a lot
828
00:38:00,091 --> 00:38:04,060
but I didn't know it was like that.
829
00:38:04,062 --> 00:38:06,095
If this goes unchecked what happens?
830
00:38:06,097 --> 00:38:08,431
AMY: It'll get more and more active,
831
00:38:08,433 --> 00:38:12,802
especially when she starts
to go through puberty.
832
00:38:12,804 --> 00:38:16,139
That's when, like, things
can really get crazy.
833
00:38:16,141 --> 00:38:17,340
I never in a million years
834
00:38:17,342 --> 00:38:19,575
would have thought
that that would be it.
835
00:38:19,577 --> 00:38:21,177
How violent could it get?
836
00:38:21,179 --> 00:38:22,445
There was one case
837
00:38:22,447 --> 00:38:25,515
I did where a woman
had over 300 stitches.
838
00:38:25,517 --> 00:38:28,317
Couches I've seen go
flying across rooms,
839
00:38:28,319 --> 00:38:30,520
people being dragged, uh,
840
00:38:30,522 --> 00:38:32,688
through the house by their hair.
841
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:33,956
So this could happen here, potentially?
842
00:38:33,958 --> 00:38:36,526
Yes, potentially. Yeah.
843
00:38:36,528 --> 00:38:38,628
It can get pretty intense.
844
00:38:55,391 --> 00:38:56,958
STEVE: So you guys called us in
845
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,526
because you knew you had a problem.
846
00:38:58,528 --> 00:39:02,530
But I'm sure you never
imagined in a million years
847
00:39:02,532 --> 00:39:05,466
that you guys were haunting each other.
848
00:39:05,468 --> 00:39:07,769
To find out how to fix it and stop it,
849
00:39:07,771 --> 00:39:09,270
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
850
00:39:12,709 --> 00:39:17,612
What I would like to see
happen is for a psychic
851
00:39:17,614 --> 00:39:22,250
to come in to do the initial cleansing.
852
00:39:22,252 --> 00:39:26,754
And that person is going
to teach you how to do it.
853
00:39:26,756 --> 00:39:28,055
This is one of things
854
00:39:28,057 --> 00:39:31,058
that you and your children
855
00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:34,962
are going to need to do
for the rest of your lives.
856
00:39:34,964 --> 00:39:39,901
Over time, it'll remove
residual energy and impressions.
857
00:39:39,903 --> 00:39:42,970
So it'll be a lot quieter,
a lot more peaceful.
858
00:39:42,972 --> 00:39:46,407
Everybody will feel very chill.
859
00:39:46,409 --> 00:39:49,377
I'm curious about one thing,
the protection that went wrong.
860
00:39:49,379 --> 00:39:51,746
Will these cleansings help reverse that?
861
00:39:51,748 --> 00:39:55,817
AMY: Yes, doing the monthly cleansings
862
00:39:55,819 --> 00:40:00,288
will take care of a lot
of the bigger issues.
863
00:40:00,290 --> 00:40:03,558
The second thing I would
like to see happen would be
864
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,628
for the psychic to remove
the deceased people.
865
00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:10,498
That would be the older gentleman,
866
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,134
his main wife
867
00:40:13,136 --> 00:40:15,136
and the second wife,
868
00:40:15,138 --> 00:40:18,806
who is the teenager.
869
00:40:18,808 --> 00:40:20,374
The third thing,
870
00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:22,076
uh, this is again something
871
00:40:22,078 --> 00:40:24,011
that the family will need to do together
872
00:40:24,013 --> 00:40:26,080
and need to keep it up.
873
00:40:26,082 --> 00:40:29,417
One is hatha yoga, and then tai chi.
874
00:40:29,419 --> 00:40:31,652
So that'll decrease the
poltergeist activity?
875
00:40:31,654 --> 00:40:33,020
Oh, yes, immensely.
876
00:40:33,022 --> 00:40:34,789
Saw that look on your face
877
00:40:34,791 --> 00:40:36,924
when you started talking
about yoga and tai chi.
878
00:40:36,926 --> 00:40:39,760
I... I... I
enjoy everything.
879
00:40:39,762 --> 00:40:41,996
Don't matter to me. Let's have fun.
880
00:40:41,998 --> 00:40:44,432
- Okay.
- The other thing
881
00:40:44,434 --> 00:40:47,001
that I would like to see happen
882
00:40:47,003 --> 00:40:48,502
is for Lexie
883
00:40:48,504 --> 00:40:52,106
to maybe see a child psychotherapist
884
00:40:52,108 --> 00:40:54,575
for her to learn
885
00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,344
how to open up a little bit more,
886
00:40:56,346 --> 00:40:57,778
how to communicate
887
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:59,814
about her emotions a little bit more,
888
00:40:59,816 --> 00:41:03,484
which will help her learn
to kind of ground out
889
00:41:03,486 --> 00:41:05,753
and control her energy.
890
00:41:05,755 --> 00:41:08,489
I think that would be
really good for her.
891
00:41:08,491 --> 00:41:11,125
So, Jennie, this is gonna
be a life long thing.
892
00:41:11,127 --> 00:41:12,827
You up for that?
893
00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:15,263
I mean, it'll probably
get us closer and hopefully
894
00:41:15,265 --> 00:41:16,664
get her to open up.
895
00:41:16,666 --> 00:41:18,799
Is this something you guys
are definitely gonna wanna...
896
00:41:18,801 --> 00:41:19,901
Look into and do? Oh, yes.
897
00:41:19,903 --> 00:41:22,403
- Oh, yes.
- Oh, definitely.
898
00:41:22,405 --> 00:41:25,139
I have an answer and
you're turning a negative
899
00:41:25,141 --> 00:41:26,841
- into a positive...
- Right.
900
00:41:26,843 --> 00:41:29,143
For the family, for the house,
901
00:41:29,145 --> 00:41:32,046
for everybody.
902
00:41:32,048 --> 00:41:33,981
AMY: Jennie and Randall
have a lot of work
903
00:41:33,983 --> 00:41:36,517
to do if they want to
rid their home of the dead
904
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,452
and the poltergeist
that they're feeding.
905
00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:41,255
But with the help of a
psychic and a therapist,
906
00:41:41,257 --> 00:41:42,757
they can work as a family
907
00:41:42,759 --> 00:41:46,560
to free themselves of the evil
that's been tearing them apart.
908
00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:51,160
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