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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,300 --> 00:00:13,099 Everything was built on blood. 2 00:00:13,404 --> 00:00:16,605 I seen a shadow run towards the bathroom. 3 00:00:16,607 --> 00:00:19,775 It's almost like a joint poltergeist. 4 00:00:19,777 --> 00:00:22,311 They just keep beating each other. 5 00:00:22,313 --> 00:00:24,113 They were chasing geese across the pond 6 00:00:24,115 --> 00:00:25,547 and ended up drowning. 7 00:00:25,549 --> 00:00:29,351 The attacks become more violent. 8 00:00:29,353 --> 00:00:32,855 I'm hearing, like, "Get out of the house." 9 00:00:32,857 --> 00:00:35,357 The blood is still flowing. 10 00:00:35,359 --> 00:00:38,761 Good energy stops right here. 11 00:00:38,763 --> 00:00:40,663 I just hear death. 12 00:00:40,665 --> 00:00:42,631 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:42,633 --> 00:00:44,266 Ah. God. 14 00:00:44,268 --> 00:00:46,135 It's like, "I'm going to get you." 15 00:00:46,137 --> 00:00:48,637 I see dead people. Her face was all demonic. 16 00:00:48,639 --> 00:00:50,606 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:50,608 --> 00:00:52,241 He's like, "You think you can stop me? 18 00:00:52,243 --> 00:00:54,209 Because you can't." And they speak to me. 19 00:00:54,211 --> 00:00:56,278 - What is he trying to do? - Kill them. 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,181 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real... 21 00:00:59,183 --> 00:01:01,083 Something happened. Bam, bam, bam. 22 00:01:01,085 --> 00:01:02,685 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:02,687 --> 00:01:04,186 I'm Steve di Schiavi. 24 00:01:04,188 --> 00:01:06,055 I'm retired New York City homicide detective. 25 00:01:06,057 --> 00:01:07,323 Am I seeing what I think I'm seeing? 26 00:01:07,325 --> 00:01:11,026 And I know every person, every house, has secrets. 27 00:01:11,028 --> 00:01:13,429 They everywhere. It's my job to reveal them. 28 00:01:13,431 --> 00:01:16,365 This guy's got the markings of a serial killer. 29 00:01:16,367 --> 00:01:18,200 But Steve and I never speak. 30 00:01:18,202 --> 00:01:20,269 We never communicate during an investigation. 31 00:01:20,271 --> 00:01:21,437 Until the very end. 32 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:23,072 Is this Sted guy doing that to her? 33 00:01:23,074 --> 00:01:25,341 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 34 00:01:25,343 --> 00:01:26,775 That's it. 35 00:01:26,777 --> 00:01:29,178 Or time to get out. 36 00:01:29,180 --> 00:01:31,213 Somebody's gonna die over there soon. 37 00:01:31,215 --> 00:01:32,981 Yeah. 38 00:01:33,874 --> 00:01:38,246 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - www.addic7ed.com - 39 00:01:46,964 --> 00:01:50,666 I'm in the city of Magna, Utah just west of Salt Lake City. 40 00:01:50,668 --> 00:01:52,434 Now, I took this case for two reasons. 41 00:01:52,436 --> 00:01:55,003 First, the woman who called us in. 42 00:01:55,005 --> 00:01:57,606 She was crying on the phone and sounded really scared. 43 00:01:57,608 --> 00:02:00,442 Second, there are kids involved, three of them. 44 00:02:00,444 --> 00:02:01,810 And according to their mom 45 00:02:01,812 --> 00:02:04,012 they are being physically and psychologically attacked 46 00:02:04,014 --> 00:02:05,647 by whatever's in that house. 47 00:02:08,886 --> 00:02:11,053 MAN: Before Amy arrives I throw the house 48 00:02:11,055 --> 00:02:13,122 of any leading information. 49 00:02:13,124 --> 00:02:15,190 Family photographs and other personal items 50 00:02:15,192 --> 00:02:17,192 can influence her findings 51 00:02:17,194 --> 00:02:20,095 so it's important I cover or remove them all. 52 00:02:20,097 --> 00:02:21,897 When I'm finished the location will be ready 53 00:02:21,899 --> 00:02:23,632 for tonight's walk. 54 00:02:35,045 --> 00:02:39,181 AMY: Good energy is not making it into this home. 55 00:02:39,183 --> 00:02:41,483 Good energy stops right here. 56 00:02:48,559 --> 00:02:49,858 Unfortunately the people 57 00:02:49,860 --> 00:02:54,129 who've moved into this place, uh, 58 00:02:54,131 --> 00:02:56,432 have not been very stable. 59 00:02:56,434 --> 00:02:57,766 And because of all of 60 00:02:57,768 --> 00:03:02,237 that they're pulling in this negative energy. 61 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:05,340 The dead are attracted to this location 62 00:03:05,342 --> 00:03:09,044 because of all the drama and craziness. 63 00:03:09,046 --> 00:03:12,114 I feel really horrible, sick, sick, sick. 64 00:03:17,922 --> 00:03:20,389 STEVE: So, Jennie, 65 00:03:20,391 --> 00:03:24,092 when we spoke on the phone you sounded really upset. 66 00:03:24,094 --> 00:03:27,629 The reason I took this case is because it involved children. 67 00:03:27,631 --> 00:03:29,064 - Yes. - Your kids are going through 68 00:03:29,066 --> 00:03:32,067 - a rough time here? - Yes, late nights with the kids. 69 00:03:32,069 --> 00:03:33,802 They are not sleeping in their rooms, 70 00:03:33,804 --> 00:03:35,237 they're staying up. 71 00:03:35,239 --> 00:03:39,007 And once I really started seeing my kids go through things... 72 00:03:39,009 --> 00:03:41,410 - Right. - That's when it's hard. 73 00:03:41,412 --> 00:03:43,445 Especially for my youngest. 74 00:03:43,447 --> 00:03:44,713 She is, like, so scared. 75 00:03:44,715 --> 00:03:46,815 She tries running out of the house. 76 00:03:46,817 --> 00:03:50,719 And so that's when you, like, don't know what to do anymore. 77 00:03:50,721 --> 00:03:53,188 It's not anything any kid should have to go through. 78 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:56,225 No, especially when you can't explain anything to them. 79 00:03:56,227 --> 00:03:58,227 Like, when they ask, you know, why or what. 80 00:03:58,229 --> 00:04:01,697 And it's like you don't have really anything for them. 81 00:04:01,699 --> 00:04:02,865 All right. 82 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:04,800 So who exactly lives in the house with you? 83 00:04:04,802 --> 00:04:06,768 That's all of us. 84 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:08,337 All right. So who's here? 85 00:04:08,339 --> 00:04:10,873 This is Lexie, she's 11. 86 00:04:10,875 --> 00:04:13,208 And that's Summer, she's 7. 87 00:04:13,210 --> 00:04:15,644 - Okay. - And then that's me. 88 00:04:15,646 --> 00:04:18,013 That's my son Zeke. He's 12. 89 00:04:18,015 --> 00:04:20,549 - Okay. - And then my husband. 90 00:04:20,551 --> 00:04:22,651 - Okay. - And he's 30. 91 00:04:22,653 --> 00:04:24,453 And then, that's my mom. 92 00:04:24,455 --> 00:04:26,455 So Jennie, has your mom always lived with you? 93 00:04:26,457 --> 00:04:28,891 No, we moved her in 94 00:04:28,893 --> 00:04:30,959 because she was having some surgeries done. 95 00:04:30,961 --> 00:04:32,394 What kind of surgeries? 96 00:04:32,396 --> 00:04:35,597 She's had to have some surgeries to remove her brain tumor. 97 00:04:35,599 --> 00:04:37,866 - Really? - This one was cancer, 98 00:04:37,868 --> 00:04:39,368 - like a stage two. - Okay. 99 00:04:39,370 --> 00:04:41,603 So she's had to go through radiation. 100 00:04:41,605 --> 00:04:43,972 It kinda did a number on her this time. 101 00:04:43,974 --> 00:04:47,142 She still gets really bad headaches sometimes. 102 00:04:51,482 --> 00:04:53,482 I don't like this. 103 00:04:53,484 --> 00:04:54,950 Headaches. 104 00:04:54,952 --> 00:04:57,853 Constant headaches, headaches, headaches, headaches, headaches, 105 00:04:57,855 --> 00:04:59,955 stress, stress. 106 00:04:59,957 --> 00:05:03,458 Constant stress and headaches. 107 00:05:07,898 --> 00:05:09,298 There's abuse. 108 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:14,303 I think it was some time ago. 109 00:05:14,305 --> 00:05:15,671 This person... This is, 110 00:05:15,673 --> 00:05:20,008 like, a safe haven to get away from everything. 111 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:23,412 But there is no really getting away from everything. 112 00:05:23,414 --> 00:05:28,317 Being in here makes it worse. 113 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:29,718 How long have you guys been living here? 114 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,253 Since 2008. 115 00:05:31,255 --> 00:05:33,088 It was a beautiful house, you know, 116 00:05:33,090 --> 00:05:34,957 somewhere nice to raise the kids. 117 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:37,292 So, Jennie, do you know any history on the property? 118 00:05:37,294 --> 00:05:38,927 - Anything? - Not a lot except for 119 00:05:38,929 --> 00:05:40,529 that it's a mining town. 120 00:05:40,531 --> 00:05:41,763 - A mining town? - Yeah. 121 00:05:41,765 --> 00:05:43,332 That's interesting to know. Okay. 122 00:05:43,334 --> 00:05:45,601 Any idea what kind of... what they're mining here? 123 00:05:45,603 --> 00:05:46,702 It might be copper. 124 00:05:46,704 --> 00:05:47,903 Okay. All right, Jennie. 125 00:05:47,905 --> 00:05:49,538 So do me a favor and give me a list of the things 126 00:05:49,540 --> 00:05:51,106 you guys are experiencing. 127 00:05:51,108 --> 00:05:53,241 Bangs, voices 128 00:05:53,243 --> 00:05:55,077 and now things are moving. 129 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:58,146 And we see dark shadows. 130 00:05:58,148 --> 00:06:00,716 And now it's gotten physical. 131 00:06:00,718 --> 00:06:02,217 Okay. Physical with who? 132 00:06:02,219 --> 00:06:03,685 My daughter Lexie. 133 00:06:03,687 --> 00:06:06,121 She got scratched. 134 00:06:06,123 --> 00:06:07,522 That's gotta be killing you. 135 00:06:07,524 --> 00:06:10,792 She's so scared that something's gonna hurt her. 136 00:06:10,794 --> 00:06:13,495 That's the hardest part. 137 00:06:13,497 --> 00:06:15,063 I don't get a lot of sleep. 138 00:06:15,065 --> 00:06:17,633 We do a lot of camping out in the living room. 139 00:06:17,635 --> 00:06:19,434 Have you guys done anything to be proactive? 140 00:06:19,436 --> 00:06:20,936 Like, have you had the house blessed? 141 00:06:20,938 --> 00:06:22,938 - Have you done anything? - Um, we've tried 142 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:24,172 blessing it ourselves. 143 00:06:24,174 --> 00:06:26,508 We went and burned sage through the house... 144 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:28,610 - Okay. - And, you know, salt. 145 00:06:28,612 --> 00:06:29,945 Did it work? 146 00:06:29,947 --> 00:06:32,214 No, it actually got a lot worse. 147 00:06:37,421 --> 00:06:41,356 Somebody did something out here. 148 00:06:41,358 --> 00:06:44,660 Some kind of protection thing. 149 00:06:44,662 --> 00:06:46,128 But it's wrong. 150 00:06:46,130 --> 00:06:48,063 It wasn't done right. 151 00:06:48,065 --> 00:06:54,069 It pushed all the bad, icky [bleep] inside. 152 00:06:54,071 --> 00:06:58,340 It created this, like, suction thing that's sucking in, 153 00:06:58,342 --> 00:07:02,077 uh, crazy [bleep]. 154 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:04,746 And it's keeping good stuff out. 155 00:07:11,321 --> 00:07:14,122 So, Jennie, why'd you take me into the master bedroom? 156 00:07:14,124 --> 00:07:18,293 This is where, um, I have experiences. 157 00:07:18,295 --> 00:07:21,329 One night, I got woken up to the sheets 158 00:07:21,331 --> 00:07:22,898 being moved off of me and, 159 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:26,068 like, somebody just touching me, like, rubbing my shoulder. 160 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:27,402 Now is there any way possible 161 00:07:27,404 --> 00:07:28,704 that your husband coulda been strokin' your arm? 162 00:07:28,706 --> 00:07:32,240 Um, no, he was sleeping facing towards the window. 163 00:07:32,242 --> 00:07:33,508 Okay, physically he couldn't have done it. 164 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:35,177 No. 165 00:07:35,179 --> 00:07:36,378 Anything else? 166 00:07:36,380 --> 00:07:38,346 - I will just be laying in bed... - Okay. 167 00:07:38,348 --> 00:07:40,248 And I will get woken up by a humming 168 00:07:40,250 --> 00:07:42,217 - electric sound. - Okay. 169 00:07:42,219 --> 00:07:43,585 And then all of a sudden these shadows 170 00:07:43,587 --> 00:07:45,487 will come from over there, 171 00:07:45,489 --> 00:07:46,888 from my dresser, and, 172 00:07:46,890 --> 00:07:48,790 like, they will slowly start moving into me. 173 00:07:48,792 --> 00:07:50,726 And they're darker shadows. 174 00:07:50,728 --> 00:07:52,494 And you can hear them whispering. 175 00:07:52,496 --> 00:07:54,696 And so I'm just frozen there with them 176 00:07:54,698 --> 00:07:56,398 just standing over me. 177 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:57,432 You must freak out when you see this thing. 178 00:07:57,434 --> 00:07:58,934 I do. One time 179 00:07:58,936 --> 00:08:00,669 I said, "Okay, just take me." 180 00:08:00,671 --> 00:08:02,104 Like, I'm in full blown panic. 181 00:08:02,106 --> 00:08:03,405 So, like, your heart's racing... 182 00:08:03,407 --> 00:08:04,673 - Right. - You're sweating, 183 00:08:04,675 --> 00:08:06,408 but I can't move, I can't talk. 184 00:08:13,684 --> 00:08:15,450 I see a woman. 185 00:08:15,452 --> 00:08:19,821 She looks like late thirties. 186 00:08:19,823 --> 00:08:25,427 And she is alive, crying. 187 00:08:25,429 --> 00:08:29,064 And she feels very lonely. 188 00:08:29,066 --> 00:08:32,300 She feels like she's been deserted. 189 00:08:32,302 --> 00:08:33,902 A lot of despair. 190 00:08:35,973 --> 00:08:38,507 I saw a younger male. 191 00:08:38,509 --> 00:08:41,076 He's a mess. He's a mess. 192 00:08:41,078 --> 00:08:44,579 He's done a lot of really bad things 193 00:08:44,581 --> 00:08:46,581 in his life. 194 00:08:46,583 --> 00:08:48,617 I think he's a addict. 195 00:08:48,619 --> 00:08:51,887 He's done just terrible things. 196 00:08:51,889 --> 00:08:53,922 And I don't know if he lives here 197 00:08:53,924 --> 00:08:55,357 or if he lived here. 198 00:08:55,359 --> 00:08:57,492 Uh, but I definitely got 199 00:08:57,494 --> 00:09:02,631 that he left a lot of energy behind. 200 00:09:02,633 --> 00:09:04,800 Uh, and there was something about guns. 201 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,140 Seems like Jennie is having a rough time. 202 00:09:12,142 --> 00:09:14,242 - Are you? - Yes. 203 00:09:14,244 --> 00:09:16,278 Tell me about the experiences you've had. 204 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,846 I was walkin' into my room. 205 00:09:17,848 --> 00:09:19,915 I seen clothes swinging 206 00:09:19,917 --> 00:09:22,717 and a shadow run towards the bathroom. 207 00:09:22,719 --> 00:09:23,785 At the same time? 208 00:09:23,787 --> 00:09:25,620 - At the same time. - And you're sure 209 00:09:25,622 --> 00:09:27,255 it wasn't one of the kids running through the bed room? 210 00:09:27,257 --> 00:09:29,357 No, they were all in school. 211 00:09:29,359 --> 00:09:30,859 Okay, anything else? 212 00:09:30,861 --> 00:09:32,294 I walked into the laundry room 213 00:09:32,296 --> 00:09:33,829 and there was somebody standing there. 214 00:09:33,831 --> 00:09:35,397 I asked him, "Who are you? 215 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:36,832 What are you doing here?" 216 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:40,402 He just stood there, blank stare at me and then gone. 217 00:09:40,404 --> 00:09:42,170 He just vanished. 218 00:09:42,172 --> 00:09:43,672 Okay, describe him to me. 219 00:09:43,674 --> 00:09:45,240 Complete black. 220 00:09:45,242 --> 00:09:48,109 Couldn't make out a face or anything. 221 00:09:48,111 --> 00:09:49,311 How do you explain it? 222 00:09:49,313 --> 00:09:51,713 - I can't figure it out. - Okay. 223 00:09:51,715 --> 00:09:52,981 That must've scared the hell outta you. 224 00:09:52,983 --> 00:09:55,917 It scares the [bleep] out of me is what it does. 225 00:10:00,224 --> 00:10:02,090 Somebody was in here. 226 00:10:02,092 --> 00:10:08,296 A living person felt their hairs stand up, turned, 227 00:10:08,298 --> 00:10:12,567 saw a shadow figure move. 228 00:10:15,906 --> 00:10:19,474 More than once they've seen this, more than once. 229 00:10:19,476 --> 00:10:20,942 The drug addict guy 230 00:10:20,944 --> 00:10:23,812 is projecting himself as the shadow figure. 231 00:10:23,814 --> 00:10:25,480 [Shudders] 232 00:10:27,251 --> 00:10:30,218 This is a... not good place. 233 00:10:53,173 --> 00:10:54,940 Let me ask you a question. How old are you? 234 00:10:54,942 --> 00:10:56,608 - I'm 12. - Twelve. 235 00:10:56,610 --> 00:10:59,010 So, Zeke, tell me about what you're seeing. 236 00:10:59,012 --> 00:11:00,879 A green guy. 237 00:11:00,881 --> 00:11:02,080 He comes through the wall 238 00:11:02,082 --> 00:11:04,382 and first you hear a big old bang 239 00:11:04,384 --> 00:11:07,285 and then I wake up and I see him. 240 00:11:07,287 --> 00:11:09,554 - And it's coming from that wall. - Here? 241 00:11:09,556 --> 00:11:11,790 - Yep. - All right. 242 00:11:11,792 --> 00:11:13,258 You're 12. All right. 243 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:15,860 Are you fooling around taking any of mommy and daddy's pills 244 00:11:15,862 --> 00:11:16,895 or anything like that? 245 00:11:16,897 --> 00:11:18,496 - No. - All right. 246 00:11:18,498 --> 00:11:20,765 So you're not hallucinating when you're seeing this stuff? 247 00:11:20,767 --> 00:11:22,033 No. 248 00:11:22,035 --> 00:11:24,336 Are you... are you hearing or seeing anything else? 249 00:11:24,338 --> 00:11:29,541 I'm seeing a guy with a hat. 250 00:11:29,543 --> 00:11:30,709 Okay. 251 00:11:30,711 --> 00:11:33,912 Comes up through my 252 00:11:33,914 --> 00:11:38,483 ceiling in my closet. 253 00:11:38,485 --> 00:11:40,785 Okay, can you see any features on this thing? 254 00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:44,022 - No, just the hat. - All right. So, anything else? 255 00:11:44,024 --> 00:11:49,894 Um, I've heard the chairs moving and the table moving. 256 00:11:49,896 --> 00:11:51,463 Where? In... in the kitchen? 257 00:11:51,465 --> 00:11:53,798 - Yeah. - Okay, so when you heard it move 258 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,300 did you go out there and check it out? 259 00:11:55,302 --> 00:11:56,701 - Yeah. - And what'd you see? 260 00:11:56,703 --> 00:12:00,605 Nothing, I looked just as normal. 261 00:12:00,607 --> 00:12:02,674 The stuff you're seeing is pretty wild for an adult to see. 262 00:12:02,676 --> 00:12:05,844 Um, you realize this is not normal for a 12 year old? 263 00:12:05,846 --> 00:12:07,579 Yeah. 264 00:12:11,618 --> 00:12:14,653 Everybody who's alive in the house, um, 265 00:12:14,655 --> 00:12:16,655 is like beating on each other. 266 00:12:16,657 --> 00:12:20,258 It's almost, like, a joint, 267 00:12:20,260 --> 00:12:23,928 like, poltergeist from all these people. 268 00:12:25,832 --> 00:12:27,866 They're, like, literally taking [bleep] 269 00:12:27,868 --> 00:12:30,869 Down on one another via this poltergeist. 270 00:12:30,871 --> 00:12:32,237 I know they're seeing things 271 00:12:32,239 --> 00:12:36,641 but I can't quite see what they're seeing. 272 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:43,715 I don't know what's going on with the... the ceiling. 273 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:51,790 I'm feeling like a lot of physical assaults here, 274 00:12:51,792 --> 00:12:55,694 and this is from living people to other living people. 275 00:12:55,696 --> 00:12:58,730 It's just a [bleep] mess. 276 00:13:05,739 --> 00:13:07,906 So, Summer, tell me, honey, how old are you? 277 00:13:07,908 --> 00:13:10,241 - Seven. - So, Summer, I understand 278 00:13:10,243 --> 00:13:14,079 that you sleep out here most of the time, is that right? 279 00:13:14,081 --> 00:13:15,980 Okay, because you're afraid of your room? 280 00:13:15,982 --> 00:13:17,515 Mm-hmm. 281 00:13:17,517 --> 00:13:20,752 Okay, do you ever seen anything when you're sleeping out here? 282 00:13:20,754 --> 00:13:23,355 Yeah. I see people. 283 00:13:23,357 --> 00:13:26,858 I... I think they are trying to hurt me. 284 00:13:26,860 --> 00:13:28,226 All right, where do you see them? 285 00:13:28,228 --> 00:13:31,896 In my room, in the kitchen and the bathroom. 286 00:13:31,898 --> 00:13:34,532 Okay, what else are you hearing or seeing? 287 00:13:38,238 --> 00:13:39,504 I freak out. 288 00:13:39,506 --> 00:13:42,307 My parents come upstairs and they check on me 289 00:13:42,309 --> 00:13:44,642 and I wake everybody up. 290 00:13:44,644 --> 00:13:47,912 - Okay. - And I was like, 291 00:13:47,914 --> 00:13:49,347 "Call the cops." 292 00:13:49,349 --> 00:13:51,816 You're scared of this place, huh, honey? 293 00:13:51,818 --> 00:13:53,118 Yeah. 294 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,353 Well, we're here to try to get rid of everything. 295 00:13:55,355 --> 00:13:58,623 Would you like to go sleep in your own room again? 296 00:13:58,625 --> 00:14:00,358 Okay. 297 00:14:02,763 --> 00:14:05,830 I would think that the living here 298 00:14:05,832 --> 00:14:07,499 are experiencing things 299 00:14:07,501 --> 00:14:09,634 like, you know, feeling slapped, 300 00:14:09,636 --> 00:14:13,571 headaches, panic attacks for sure, anxiety, 301 00:14:13,573 --> 00:14:16,808 punched, kicked, 302 00:14:16,810 --> 00:14:20,311 possible sexual assaults... 303 00:14:23,617 --> 00:14:26,518 Very weird. It's weird. 304 00:14:36,430 --> 00:14:37,429 How old are you, honey? 305 00:14:37,431 --> 00:14:39,197 - I'm 11. - Okay. 306 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:42,667 So when I talked to mom, um, she called us in basically 307 00:14:42,669 --> 00:14:44,169 because the stuff you're going through. 308 00:14:44,171 --> 00:14:45,236 Yeah. 309 00:14:45,238 --> 00:14:47,305 - Is that upsetting you? - Yeah. 310 00:14:47,307 --> 00:14:49,908 So I understand you've been having some experiences. 311 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:51,042 Yeah. 312 00:14:51,044 --> 00:14:52,510 Okay, can you mind telling me about them? 313 00:14:52,512 --> 00:14:55,413 Um, I went upstairs. 314 00:14:55,415 --> 00:14:59,484 And I heard my door close, 315 00:14:59,486 --> 00:15:01,486 and then open and then close. 316 00:15:01,488 --> 00:15:03,721 And it went on and on and on. 317 00:15:03,723 --> 00:15:06,758 - Which door is this? - It was that door. 318 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,293 Okay, did you see it open and closing? 319 00:15:08,295 --> 00:15:09,727 Yes. 320 00:15:09,729 --> 00:15:11,830 Yes, but could the window have been open in the bedroom 321 00:15:11,832 --> 00:15:13,331 that caused the door to open and shut? 322 00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:14,799 My dad came in and checked it out 323 00:15:14,801 --> 00:15:16,601 - and there was nothing in here. - Nothing here. 324 00:15:16,603 --> 00:15:18,203 Okay, have you seen or heard anything else? 325 00:15:18,205 --> 00:15:23,608 My dresser and my TV they were both rocking. 326 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:26,678 The dresser started going up and down? 327 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,146 No, it started like... 328 00:15:28,148 --> 00:15:29,180 Teetering back and forth? 329 00:15:29,182 --> 00:15:31,049 Mm-hmm, yeah. 330 00:15:31,051 --> 00:15:32,250 The whole dresser itself? 331 00:15:32,252 --> 00:15:33,485 Yeah. 332 00:15:33,487 --> 00:15:34,719 Did you guys think you were having a earthquake 333 00:15:34,721 --> 00:15:36,120 or something? 334 00:15:36,122 --> 00:15:39,791 No, because I didn't see anything else shaking and... 335 00:15:39,793 --> 00:15:40,825 So it was just these two things? 336 00:15:40,827 --> 00:15:42,861 It was just those two things. 337 00:15:42,863 --> 00:15:44,529 All right. So anything else, honey? 338 00:15:44,531 --> 00:15:50,468 I got scratched right over here. 339 00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:52,370 I was laying in my bed 340 00:15:52,372 --> 00:15:55,373 and my arm was hanging out like that. 341 00:15:55,375 --> 00:15:58,743 And then there was, like, a little... like that. 342 00:15:58,745 --> 00:16:02,046 So this is a silly question but are you scared to be here? 343 00:16:02,048 --> 00:16:05,583 I'm really scared to be here. 344 00:16:05,585 --> 00:16:08,219 Okay. 345 00:16:08,221 --> 00:16:10,955 I'm seeing, like, a teenage girl. 346 00:16:10,957 --> 00:16:13,057 Everybody's being affected. 347 00:16:13,059 --> 00:16:15,093 But it's almost like... like she's really getting, 348 00:16:15,095 --> 00:16:17,428 like, the brunt. 349 00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:21,132 You know what I mean? Like, she's, like, ground zero. 350 00:16:21,134 --> 00:16:24,702 She has a lot of ability. 351 00:16:24,704 --> 00:16:27,639 She might be, uh, 352 00:16:27,641 --> 00:16:33,678 the biggest source 353 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,981 and doesn't even know it, doesn't even know it. 354 00:16:41,855 --> 00:16:43,988 So what do you think would happen, uh, 355 00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:46,090 if this were to continue going on 356 00:16:46,092 --> 00:16:48,159 and nothing was done about it? 357 00:16:48,161 --> 00:16:51,462 I think that the physical attacks 358 00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:55,600 would become more violent, uh, 359 00:16:55,602 --> 00:16:57,402 to where there would be, 360 00:16:57,404 --> 00:16:59,871 um, actual cutting 361 00:16:59,873 --> 00:17:02,874 or scratching involved. 362 00:17:02,876 --> 00:17:05,176 And, uh, possible smothering 363 00:17:05,178 --> 00:17:07,712 or strangulation to occur. 364 00:17:21,459 --> 00:17:23,892 STEVE: Other than a family living in fear, 365 00:17:23,894 --> 00:17:26,929 I don't have much to go off of to do my investigation. 366 00:17:26,931 --> 00:17:31,233 So I'm at the library to see if I can dig anything up. 367 00:17:31,235 --> 00:17:32,568 Searching through old records, 368 00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:34,136 I find one of the original owners 369 00:17:34,138 --> 00:17:37,473 of my clients property lost two young kids. 370 00:17:37,475 --> 00:17:42,344 Turns out they both drowned in an accident. 371 00:17:42,346 --> 00:17:44,680 I'm on my way to meet with a local genealogist 372 00:17:44,682 --> 00:17:46,915 who's looking into this tragedy for me. 373 00:17:46,917 --> 00:17:48,784 She tells me the kids who drowned that day 374 00:17:48,786 --> 00:17:51,987 were direct descendants of a very prominent local man. 375 00:17:57,394 --> 00:17:59,394 So, Christine, before we get to the drownings 376 00:17:59,396 --> 00:18:02,464 you mentioned that the kids were related to somebody famous. 377 00:18:02,466 --> 00:18:05,534 Yes, the children's grandfather was Edward Watkins Clark. 378 00:18:05,536 --> 00:18:07,669 One of the first Mormon settlers here in Utah. 379 00:18:07,671 --> 00:18:09,471 Okay. When did this guy come here? 380 00:18:09,473 --> 00:18:11,640 So, in 1852 he finally settled in Utah 381 00:18:11,642 --> 00:18:12,741 with his first wife. 382 00:18:12,743 --> 00:18:13,976 All right. So when Edward gets here 383 00:18:13,978 --> 00:18:15,744 - what does he do? - He was a farmer. 384 00:18:15,746 --> 00:18:17,613 He was very prominent in the community. 385 00:18:17,615 --> 00:18:19,448 Everyone knew him and his wife, Lucy. 386 00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:21,150 He was actually elected 387 00:18:21,152 --> 00:18:23,252 to justice of the peace out in Santaquin. 388 00:18:23,254 --> 00:18:24,319 Okay, you said his first wife. 389 00:18:24,321 --> 00:18:26,121 Can I assume his first wife died? 390 00:18:26,123 --> 00:18:27,389 No, actually the Mormon church 391 00:18:27,391 --> 00:18:29,725 encouraged polygamy at this time. 392 00:18:29,727 --> 00:18:31,760 And so he was encouraged to take other wives. 393 00:18:31,762 --> 00:18:34,630 And in 1857 he married his second wife, Louisa Miller, 394 00:18:34,632 --> 00:18:35,931 who was 20 years his junior. 395 00:18:35,933 --> 00:18:37,966 She was only 17 when they got married. 396 00:18:37,968 --> 00:18:39,168 Seventeen? 397 00:18:39,170 --> 00:18:41,703 I have a picture of her when she's older. 398 00:18:41,705 --> 00:18:43,272 Now does he have kids with both of them? 399 00:18:43,274 --> 00:18:45,140 - Yes, 18. - Wow. 400 00:18:45,142 --> 00:18:46,575 He had 10 with his first wife, Lucy, 401 00:18:46,577 --> 00:18:48,811 and eight with his second wife, Louisa. 402 00:18:48,813 --> 00:18:50,379 The second youngest is John Edward, 403 00:18:50,381 --> 00:18:52,314 who is the father of the children who died. 404 00:18:52,316 --> 00:18:54,850 Okay. 405 00:18:54,852 --> 00:18:56,118 I'm seeing this woman 406 00:18:56,120 --> 00:19:00,823 and she's married to a much older male. 407 00:19:00,825 --> 00:19:04,393 She was probably in her late 20s 408 00:19:04,395 --> 00:19:06,662 and he was, like, 409 00:19:06,664 --> 00:19:08,931 between 60 and 70 years of age. 410 00:19:08,933 --> 00:19:12,000 He was prestigious. 411 00:19:12,002 --> 00:19:15,337 He was a big time business man. 412 00:19:15,339 --> 00:19:18,440 He kept fighting me because he doesn't want me here. 413 00:19:18,442 --> 00:19:23,312 Uh, he doesn't want anything about him or his family out. 414 00:19:25,082 --> 00:19:30,452 He wants to keep his private life secret. 415 00:19:30,454 --> 00:19:33,422 Uh, and then there's a... 416 00:19:33,424 --> 00:19:35,457 a... a younger female. 417 00:19:35,459 --> 00:19:38,093 And I don't know if it's his step-daughter 418 00:19:38,095 --> 00:19:43,398 or if it's his biological daughter. 419 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:49,605 The girl doesn't look like either one of them at all. 420 00:19:49,607 --> 00:19:52,741 The daughter is like 16 or something. 421 00:19:52,743 --> 00:19:56,812 Um, and he was having an inappropriate relationship 422 00:19:56,814 --> 00:19:58,146 with her 423 00:19:58,148 --> 00:20:01,650 and also very abusive and controlling. 424 00:20:01,652 --> 00:20:05,387 I guess you would wanna keep that quiet. 425 00:20:05,389 --> 00:20:07,022 So I know Edward's son, John, 426 00:20:07,024 --> 00:20:08,523 owned my clients' property at one point. 427 00:20:08,525 --> 00:20:10,092 Do you know when that was? 428 00:20:10,094 --> 00:20:12,961 1923 is when he bought the property out in Magna. 429 00:20:12,963 --> 00:20:15,998 Okay, so now how many kids did he have? 430 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,332 He had eight children in total. 431 00:20:17,334 --> 00:20:19,601 He had three girls and five little boys. 432 00:20:19,603 --> 00:20:21,303 Okay, so take me through the day of the accident. 433 00:20:21,305 --> 00:20:24,539 - What happened? - Uh, it was January 2, 1926. 434 00:20:24,541 --> 00:20:27,009 It was a day a lot like today where the sun is out 435 00:20:27,011 --> 00:20:28,610 and all the snow is on the ground 436 00:20:28,612 --> 00:20:31,246 and the pond probably looked a lot like this, very frozen. 437 00:20:31,248 --> 00:20:33,348 Three of the little boys, Floydd, 438 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:36,551 Morris and Lennis, all take their friend Clarence out. 439 00:20:36,553 --> 00:20:38,887 And they were chasing geese across the pond 440 00:20:38,889 --> 00:20:41,023 but it was too thin and all the boys fell through. 441 00:20:41,025 --> 00:20:42,324 Wow. 442 00:20:42,326 --> 00:20:44,726 And Clarence was able to help Floydd out of the water 443 00:20:44,728 --> 00:20:47,429 but Morris and Lennis ended up drowning. 444 00:20:47,431 --> 00:20:48,697 I have their death certificates. 445 00:20:48,699 --> 00:20:51,733 So this is Morris Ruden, 446 00:20:51,735 --> 00:20:52,968 and his death certificate even says, 447 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:55,570 "Accidental drowning." Okay. 448 00:20:55,572 --> 00:20:58,774 And then Lennis Dean, same thing. 449 00:20:58,776 --> 00:21:00,175 All right, so they lost two kids to drowning. 450 00:21:00,177 --> 00:21:02,678 Tragic. I mean, I can't even imagine losing one 451 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,079 - let alone two. - Yeah. 452 00:21:04,081 --> 00:21:05,614 So what happened with... with John? 453 00:21:05,616 --> 00:21:07,182 I mean, did him and his wife stick around 454 00:21:07,184 --> 00:21:08,483 - after this happened? - They did. 455 00:21:08,485 --> 00:21:10,185 John actually did not release the property 456 00:21:10,187 --> 00:21:12,921 until 1953 is when he sold it actually 457 00:21:12,923 --> 00:21:16,491 a few months before he died, when his heart collapsed. 458 00:21:16,493 --> 00:21:18,827 Okay. 459 00:21:18,829 --> 00:21:22,931 I do see a different house, uh, that was here prior. 460 00:21:22,933 --> 00:21:28,036 This house took up several acres of property. 461 00:21:28,038 --> 00:21:33,675 I'm hearing a woman screaming and crying. 462 00:21:33,677 --> 00:21:37,245 And it's over a death. 463 00:21:37,247 --> 00:21:38,981 She's outside. 464 00:21:44,221 --> 00:21:46,521 It might be in the backyard or something. 465 00:21:46,523 --> 00:21:51,360 This person couldn't get over it. 466 00:21:51,362 --> 00:21:52,627 Uh, can't... 467 00:21:52,629 --> 00:21:55,764 can't get over it. 468 00:21:55,766 --> 00:21:56,999 She's like, "Why? 469 00:21:57,001 --> 00:21:58,767 Why?" 470 00:22:00,804 --> 00:22:02,671 Very dramatic. 471 00:22:02,673 --> 00:22:04,940 Uh, like, her hands are up, like, "Why? 472 00:22:04,942 --> 00:22:09,745 Why? Why? No, no, no." 473 00:22:15,886 --> 00:22:17,219 If you need us to investigate 474 00:22:17,221 --> 00:22:19,121 unexplained activity in your home 475 00:22:19,123 --> 00:22:22,157 go to the Dead Files page at travelchannel.com. 476 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:23,625 Click on "Help me, Dead Files" to submit your story. 477 00:22:23,627 --> 00:22:24,760 And we'll help if we can. 478 00:22:33,418 --> 00:22:34,717 Jennie told me she thought there used 479 00:22:34,719 --> 00:22:36,819 to be a lot of copper mining in the area. 480 00:22:36,821 --> 00:22:39,689 So I made some calls and it turns out she's right. 481 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:42,558 I'm meeting a historian who says mining killed two men 482 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,527 who live on my clients' land. 483 00:22:51,202 --> 00:22:53,669 So, Robert, what can you tell me about the mining industry 484 00:22:53,671 --> 00:22:54,937 in Magna? 485 00:22:54,939 --> 00:22:57,040 Well Magna actually started out as a farming community. 486 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,509 - Okay. - But it wasn't until 1906 487 00:22:59,511 --> 00:23:01,711 that the Utah Copper Company brought in the... 488 00:23:01,713 --> 00:23:04,180 the biggest, uh, refining 489 00:23:04,182 --> 00:23:08,117 and smelting, uh, operation in world history at the time. 490 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,988 Millions of tons of ore was being processed every year. 491 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:13,423 So it's basically all copper? 492 00:23:13,425 --> 00:23:15,391 Mostly copper, that's what they're renowned for. 493 00:23:15,393 --> 00:23:17,226 You can talk about a real dangerous work environment. 494 00:23:17,228 --> 00:23:20,096 It was very dangerous, uh, very toxic environment. 495 00:23:20,098 --> 00:23:22,198 - Okay. - A lot of sulfuric emissions, 496 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,333 heavy metal particulates and even asbestos. 497 00:23:24,335 --> 00:23:26,636 So the odds are stacked against you. 498 00:23:26,638 --> 00:23:28,871 So you had mentioned on the phone, uh, two guys 499 00:23:28,873 --> 00:23:30,339 that lived on my clients' property, uh, 500 00:23:30,341 --> 00:23:32,809 died in connection with the mining. 501 00:23:32,811 --> 00:23:34,210 Tell me about the first guy. 502 00:23:34,212 --> 00:23:36,045 First guys name is Wallace Anderson. 503 00:23:36,047 --> 00:23:37,980 - Okay. - He bought your clients' property 504 00:23:37,982 --> 00:23:39,482 in 1936. 505 00:23:39,484 --> 00:23:40,583 So what happened to him? 506 00:23:40,585 --> 00:23:43,553 Well, by 1944 it catches up to him. 507 00:23:43,555 --> 00:23:45,254 Uh, he's in your clients' house. 508 00:23:45,256 --> 00:23:46,889 He's feeling pain in his lungs. 509 00:23:46,891 --> 00:23:48,091 He's having trouble breathing. 510 00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:49,992 He checks himself into the hospital. 511 00:23:49,994 --> 00:23:51,394 He's there for 12 days. 512 00:23:51,396 --> 00:23:52,795 And he dies. 513 00:23:52,797 --> 00:23:54,831 Okay, so what's the official cause of death? 514 00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:56,833 It's bronchogenic carcinoma. 515 00:23:56,835 --> 00:24:00,436 It's lung cancer. 516 00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:03,139 Pretty common way to go for mine workers back then. 517 00:24:03,141 --> 00:24:04,407 It was. 518 00:24:04,409 --> 00:24:05,508 Now, Robert, you mentioned there was a second guy 519 00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:07,343 that died on my clients' property. 520 00:24:07,345 --> 00:24:08,511 Right. Who, uh, who was that? 521 00:24:08,513 --> 00:24:11,714 His name was Paul William Confer. 522 00:24:11,716 --> 00:24:13,683 He was actually renting the property 523 00:24:13,685 --> 00:24:15,451 from Wallace's widow. 524 00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:17,019 Okay, so what happened? 525 00:24:17,021 --> 00:24:18,754 In 1948, he goes down 526 00:24:18,756 --> 00:24:20,990 inside the mine in a blasting team 527 00:24:20,992 --> 00:24:22,625 - with another fella... - Okay. 528 00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:24,560 And they never came out with the other groups. 529 00:24:24,562 --> 00:24:26,062 And so they sent a search party down there 530 00:24:26,064 --> 00:24:27,630 and discovered that they'd been killed. 531 00:24:27,632 --> 00:24:28,998 They were killed in an explosion. 532 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,134 And here's his death certificate. 533 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,202 Subtotal decapitation, 534 00:24:33,204 --> 00:24:36,339 amputation both arms, puncture wounds both legs. 535 00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:38,774 Did they ever figure out what caused the explosion? 536 00:24:38,776 --> 00:24:41,677 - Either a faulty fuse... - Okay. 537 00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:43,880 Or it was negligence on the part of the miners. 538 00:24:43,882 --> 00:24:46,516 Geez. Are the mines still going on? 539 00:24:46,518 --> 00:24:48,618 Yeah. The mine is still running today. 540 00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:50,753 So I'm assuming it's a cleaner operation today? 541 00:24:50,755 --> 00:24:52,555 It is. In 1994 the EPA 542 00:24:52,557 --> 00:24:56,459 stepped in and declared Magna an environmental disaster zone. 543 00:24:56,461 --> 00:24:59,362 After 100 years of industry, uh, 544 00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:01,197 the water was contaminated. 545 00:25:01,199 --> 00:25:02,965 The soil was contaminated. 546 00:25:02,967 --> 00:25:04,834 What kinds of effects could that have on somebody? 547 00:25:04,836 --> 00:25:07,069 Today still the lung cancer rate 548 00:25:07,071 --> 00:25:09,539 is 50 percent greater than the rest of the state. 549 00:25:09,541 --> 00:25:11,908 And not only cancer but high rates 550 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:14,377 of ADD, autism, delirium 551 00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:16,345 and even hallucinations. 552 00:25:16,347 --> 00:25:19,215 Really? That's interesting. 553 00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:25,888 There's a lot of residual energy here. 554 00:25:25,890 --> 00:25:28,457 I saw on the land 555 00:25:28,459 --> 00:25:32,228 that everything was built on blood. 556 00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:35,431 And I see the blood is still flowing. 557 00:25:37,502 --> 00:25:41,804 Uh, and they said it was built and blood and dirty dealings 558 00:25:41,806 --> 00:25:46,742 and that both of those things are still happening today. 559 00:25:46,744 --> 00:25:49,378 And that's why the blood is still flowing. 560 00:25:49,380 --> 00:25:51,747 [Shudders] 561 00:25:51,749 --> 00:25:53,749 This is a not good place. 562 00:26:00,124 --> 00:26:02,992 Look, if contaminated water can cause hallucinations 563 00:26:02,994 --> 00:26:05,261 it could explain some of the really strange things 564 00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:07,263 Jennie and her family are seeing. 565 00:26:07,265 --> 00:26:09,131 I'm heading back to the house to meet an inspector 566 00:26:09,133 --> 00:26:12,835 who's going to give the water a thorough, scientific test. 567 00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:21,344 - Hey, Jonathan. - How's it goin'? 568 00:26:21,346 --> 00:26:22,678 Thanks for coming by. I appreciate it. 569 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:23,846 Yeah. You bet. 570 00:26:23,848 --> 00:26:25,314 The reason I called you out is my clients 571 00:26:25,316 --> 00:26:27,717 that live in this house, they're telling me 572 00:26:27,719 --> 00:26:29,552 that they're seeing some really off the wall, 573 00:26:29,554 --> 00:26:30,820 bizarre stuff. 574 00:26:30,822 --> 00:26:32,588 Now I know this place in '94 was considered 575 00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:34,957 - a EPA disaster area. - That's correct. 576 00:26:34,959 --> 00:26:36,592 I mean, all along the Wasatch Front 577 00:26:36,594 --> 00:26:38,527 we see a number of locations 578 00:26:38,529 --> 00:26:41,664 that have had some kind of environmental hazards, uh, 579 00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:44,600 primarily due to the proximity of local mines in the area. 580 00:26:44,602 --> 00:26:45,801 Now, could you test to see 581 00:26:45,803 --> 00:26:47,970 if there's any kind of environmental problem 582 00:26:47,972 --> 00:26:49,972 that could cause these people to have hallucinations? 583 00:26:49,974 --> 00:26:51,073 Yeah. Absolutely. 584 00:26:51,075 --> 00:26:52,942 Okay, good. Let me know what you find. 585 00:26:52,944 --> 00:26:54,710 Will do. 586 00:26:57,382 --> 00:27:00,182 I've clients seeing things moving on their own 587 00:27:00,184 --> 00:27:02,618 and green men coming out of the walls 588 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:04,920 which means there are three possibilities. 589 00:27:04,922 --> 00:27:06,255 One, they're lying to me. 590 00:27:06,257 --> 00:27:08,691 But I don't think that's the case. 591 00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:09,959 Two, their soil 592 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,895 or water is contaminated causing them to hallucinate. 593 00:27:12,897 --> 00:27:15,398 Or three, there's something going on that only Amy 594 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,399 can understand. 595 00:27:16,401 --> 00:27:18,200 So, how'd it go? 596 00:27:18,202 --> 00:27:19,769 Well we tested the soil, uh, 597 00:27:19,771 --> 00:27:21,837 the water as well as the paint on the walls 598 00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:23,572 and we didn't find any contaminants. 599 00:27:23,574 --> 00:27:24,640 Really? 600 00:27:24,642 --> 00:27:26,042 So there's no environmental reason 601 00:27:26,044 --> 00:27:27,710 why clients are seeing what the hell they're seeing? 602 00:27:27,712 --> 00:27:29,879 - No. - Okay. 603 00:27:29,881 --> 00:27:31,647 So now I know what it's not. 604 00:27:40,491 --> 00:27:42,325 I saw a lot of disturbing activity 605 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:43,459 during my walk. 606 00:27:43,461 --> 00:27:45,528 But the drug addict who projects himself 607 00:27:45,530 --> 00:27:48,197 as the shadow figure really stood out. 608 00:27:48,199 --> 00:27:49,231 He was young, 609 00:27:49,233 --> 00:27:53,269 I would say between 18 and 24. 610 00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:58,040 He had a very narrow, uh, nose. 611 00:27:58,042 --> 00:28:01,911 He also had very dark eyes, kinda black. 612 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,687 Is this who you saw? 613 00:28:11,689 --> 00:28:13,122 Yes. 614 00:28:33,667 --> 00:28:36,568 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 615 00:28:36,570 --> 00:28:37,702 we're ready to reveal our findings 616 00:28:37,704 --> 00:28:39,638 to each other and our clients 617 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,640 for the first time. 618 00:28:41,642 --> 00:28:44,176 So, Amy, I want you to meet Randall and Jennie. 619 00:28:44,178 --> 00:28:47,279 They're experiencing some pretty bizarre stuff in their house. 620 00:28:47,281 --> 00:28:50,248 But the reason they called us in is because of their kids. 621 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:53,451 We got a photo of the family here. 622 00:28:53,453 --> 00:28:55,520 Now, this is Lexie, she's 11. 623 00:28:55,522 --> 00:28:58,623 This is Summer, she's an adorable 7-year-old. 624 00:28:58,625 --> 00:29:01,226 This is their Zeke, who's 12. 625 00:29:01,228 --> 00:29:03,628 And this is, uh, Jennie's mom, Debbie, 626 00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:04,829 who lives with them. 627 00:29:04,831 --> 00:29:06,498 These guys think that whatever's in the house 628 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:07,999 is going after the kids. 629 00:29:08,001 --> 00:29:09,234 And they promised me they'll do 630 00:29:09,236 --> 00:29:11,169 whatever it takes to keep them safe. 631 00:29:11,171 --> 00:29:13,505 So now that Amy knows a little bit about your family, 632 00:29:13,507 --> 00:29:16,174 I'm going to, uh, ask her to describe her walk. 633 00:29:19,046 --> 00:29:22,781 AMY: Walking up to your home, to the front door, 634 00:29:22,783 --> 00:29:25,584 I saw a male, uh, 635 00:29:25,586 --> 00:29:28,620 doing some kind of ritual 636 00:29:28,622 --> 00:29:31,256 or protection. 637 00:29:31,258 --> 00:29:33,391 Who ever this was, 638 00:29:33,393 --> 00:29:36,895 and whatever he did, was not good. 639 00:29:36,897 --> 00:29:41,566 It created a type of negative suction 640 00:29:41,568 --> 00:29:43,134 into your house. 641 00:29:43,136 --> 00:29:45,203 And unfortunately all good energy 642 00:29:45,205 --> 00:29:48,306 stops right at your front door. 643 00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:50,108 That's weird because I don't know about a male, 644 00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:53,278 but you mentioned to me that you guys did something. 645 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,347 Yeah. Me and my mother-in-law, 646 00:29:55,349 --> 00:29:56,681 we tried to cleanse the house 647 00:29:56,683 --> 00:29:59,618 with, like, sage and salt. 648 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:00,885 Now she's talking about negativity. 649 00:30:00,887 --> 00:30:02,487 Have you guys felt that in the house? 650 00:30:02,489 --> 00:30:04,155 Sometimes when you just come home it just... 651 00:30:04,157 --> 00:30:06,725 just doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel like home. 652 00:30:06,727 --> 00:30:10,161 Wow. 653 00:30:10,163 --> 00:30:12,297 STEVE: So what else did you see? 654 00:30:12,299 --> 00:30:16,134 I encountered an elderly deceased male. 655 00:30:16,136 --> 00:30:18,970 What he was saying to me was that when he was alive 656 00:30:18,972 --> 00:30:21,106 he was very prestigious. 657 00:30:21,108 --> 00:30:23,308 He was a big player. 658 00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:26,044 He absolutely did not want me there. 659 00:30:26,046 --> 00:30:29,981 What I did get was that there were two women, uh, 660 00:30:29,983 --> 00:30:31,583 of importance in his life. 661 00:30:31,585 --> 00:30:34,019 One was his wife. 662 00:30:34,021 --> 00:30:37,989 The wife was much younger than him. 663 00:30:37,991 --> 00:30:39,624 She was in her twenties. 664 00:30:39,626 --> 00:30:42,193 And then one was a younger girl. 665 00:30:42,195 --> 00:30:45,196 And I didn't know if that was his daughter or step-daughter. 666 00:30:45,198 --> 00:30:47,766 And the girl was about 16. 667 00:30:47,768 --> 00:30:49,934 And what I did get 668 00:30:49,936 --> 00:30:52,771 was that there was an inappropriate relationship 669 00:30:52,773 --> 00:30:55,540 between him and the younger girl. 670 00:30:55,542 --> 00:31:00,045 And I felt like that's what he was trying to conceal. 671 00:31:00,047 --> 00:31:02,981 He's very grouchy, very controlling. 672 00:31:02,983 --> 00:31:05,750 And when he is inside of the home 673 00:31:05,752 --> 00:31:11,022 the men of the house may take on these kinds of attitudes. 674 00:31:11,024 --> 00:31:13,525 Well, Jennie, have you noticed that with Randall or Zeke? 675 00:31:13,527 --> 00:31:15,760 Yeah. Big time. 676 00:31:15,762 --> 00:31:17,495 I came across somebody in my research 677 00:31:17,497 --> 00:31:18,530 that might fit the bill. 678 00:31:18,532 --> 00:31:21,032 His name was Edward Watkins Clark. 679 00:31:21,034 --> 00:31:22,767 You had mentioned he was prestigious. 680 00:31:22,769 --> 00:31:26,104 He was a famous pioneer for the Mormon church. 681 00:31:26,106 --> 00:31:28,973 He came over from England in 1852. 682 00:31:28,975 --> 00:31:31,676 He brought his wife Lucy over with his kids. 683 00:31:31,678 --> 00:31:32,911 Now you mentioned a teenage girl 684 00:31:32,913 --> 00:31:35,280 that might be his daughter or a step-daughter. 685 00:31:35,282 --> 00:31:39,784 Well back in those days they preached polygamy. 686 00:31:39,786 --> 00:31:41,486 He was 37. 687 00:31:41,488 --> 00:31:42,654 And he married his girl, Louisa, 688 00:31:42,656 --> 00:31:46,324 who was, uh, 17 at the time. 689 00:31:46,326 --> 00:31:47,826 Now I got a photo of her 690 00:31:47,828 --> 00:31:53,298 but this is from when she was much older. 691 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,800 Now together with his two wives he had 18 kids. 692 00:31:55,802 --> 00:31:58,436 The 17th child, 693 00:31:58,438 --> 00:32:01,373 named John, ended up living on your property. 694 00:32:04,311 --> 00:32:08,613 AMY: The next thing that I saw is a younger male. 695 00:32:08,615 --> 00:32:12,884 And I honestly couldn't tell if he was alive or dead. 696 00:32:12,886 --> 00:32:16,321 If he is deceased it was extremely recent. 697 00:32:16,323 --> 00:32:18,256 He was in the downstairs, 698 00:32:18,258 --> 00:32:20,925 large, downstairs bedroom. 699 00:32:20,927 --> 00:32:22,961 He was very agitated. 700 00:32:22,963 --> 00:32:25,730 He felt like everybody was out to get him. 701 00:32:25,732 --> 00:32:27,899 He felt like he was falling apart. 702 00:32:27,901 --> 00:32:30,802 The living, who would be down there a lot, 703 00:32:30,804 --> 00:32:34,773 would feel this sense of despair or depression. 704 00:32:34,775 --> 00:32:37,709 And I think if you were to see him 705 00:32:37,711 --> 00:32:39,911 it would be a shadow-like figure. 706 00:32:39,913 --> 00:32:42,313 Now, Jennie, you had your own experiences with shadow figures? 707 00:32:42,315 --> 00:32:44,749 - Yeah. - Tell her what you told me. 708 00:32:44,751 --> 00:32:47,652 And I'll just be right there, by my dresser, 709 00:32:47,654 --> 00:32:49,220 and then he'll come towards me. 710 00:32:49,222 --> 00:32:51,689 But then I'm stuck in my bed. And I'm just frozen. 711 00:32:51,691 --> 00:32:56,628 I'm sweating, breathing hard, just can't do anything. 712 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:58,596 Randall, didn't you see another one leering at you 713 00:32:58,598 --> 00:33:00,165 at one point? 714 00:33:00,167 --> 00:33:02,634 I asked him, "Who are you? What do you want?" 715 00:33:02,636 --> 00:33:04,436 - Mm-hmm. - It just looked at me... 716 00:33:04,438 --> 00:33:07,305 - Mm-hmm. - Then gone, just vanished. 717 00:33:07,307 --> 00:33:09,641 STEVE: Did you get anything about this guy in life? 718 00:33:09,643 --> 00:33:13,545 AMY: What I got on him was that he was, I think, 719 00:33:13,547 --> 00:33:14,813 in his twenties. 720 00:33:14,815 --> 00:33:17,382 He claimed to have done a lot of terrible things 721 00:33:17,384 --> 00:33:18,983 during his lifetime. 722 00:33:18,985 --> 00:33:23,755 I just see him with a rifle and a small handgun. 723 00:33:23,757 --> 00:33:26,491 And I did get that he was an addict 724 00:33:26,493 --> 00:33:28,993 and/or fighting addiction. 725 00:33:28,995 --> 00:33:31,329 I got a sense that he did live here. 726 00:33:31,331 --> 00:33:34,265 And like I said, if he still alive, 727 00:33:34,267 --> 00:33:37,735 he essentially left part of himself. 728 00:33:37,737 --> 00:33:39,537 STEVE: Did you get a good look at him? 729 00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:42,073 - I had a sketch done. - Okay. 730 00:33:51,017 --> 00:33:52,383 Maybe you guys can tell me if they... 731 00:33:52,385 --> 00:33:55,153 he looks like anybody that you might know. 732 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,294 - My brother. - Yeah. 733 00:34:03,296 --> 00:34:06,097 My brother's sittin' in jail right now. 734 00:34:06,099 --> 00:34:07,565 What? 735 00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:09,567 Any issues with guns and stuff that she's talking about? 736 00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:13,271 Yeah. He... he loves guns. 737 00:34:13,273 --> 00:34:14,939 This is pretty wild. 738 00:34:14,941 --> 00:34:16,274 So let me get this straight, 739 00:34:16,276 --> 00:34:17,942 it's possible for somebody 740 00:34:17,944 --> 00:34:21,145 who's not dead to haunt the house? 741 00:34:21,147 --> 00:34:24,549 AMY: Sometimes people will really leave a, like, 742 00:34:24,551 --> 00:34:27,819 really a part of themselves there. 743 00:34:27,821 --> 00:34:30,288 This has gotta be tough for you to hear though? 744 00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:32,056 Yeah. Very. 745 00:34:35,161 --> 00:34:37,395 STEVE: So what else? 746 00:34:37,397 --> 00:34:39,497 AMY: I went into the pink room. 747 00:34:39,499 --> 00:34:42,534 And I got a horrible headache. 748 00:34:42,536 --> 00:34:44,235 It was overwhelming. 749 00:34:44,237 --> 00:34:48,006 And I felt like a woman stays there, goes there, 750 00:34:48,008 --> 00:34:49,674 feels like the room is a safe haven 751 00:34:49,676 --> 00:34:50,975 to get away from everything. 752 00:34:50,977 --> 00:34:52,810 But it's not. 753 00:34:52,812 --> 00:34:57,782 And she keeps feeling pain from life loss. 754 00:34:57,784 --> 00:35:00,184 I got loss, abuse and death. 755 00:35:00,186 --> 00:35:02,186 When she's in there, it just 756 00:35:02,188 --> 00:35:06,157 feels like it's all happening again and again. 757 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,493 Well that's the room where Jennie's mom, 758 00:35:08,495 --> 00:35:09,994 Debbie, sleeps. 759 00:35:09,996 --> 00:35:13,131 Um, my mom has had a couple brain surgeries. 760 00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:14,365 Oh, wow. 761 00:35:14,367 --> 00:35:17,435 And the last one was a stage two cancer. 762 00:35:17,437 --> 00:35:19,404 So she does get headaches a lot. 763 00:35:19,406 --> 00:35:21,172 So what she's saying kinda makes sense? 764 00:35:21,174 --> 00:35:22,273 Yeah. 765 00:35:22,275 --> 00:35:25,510 She's been through a lot. 766 00:35:25,512 --> 00:35:28,346 STEVE: Now'd you see anything else? 767 00:35:28,348 --> 00:35:30,214 So the thing I'm most concerned about 768 00:35:30,216 --> 00:35:34,519 is the poltergeist activity in the house. 769 00:35:34,521 --> 00:35:38,756 A poltergeist is usually created 770 00:35:38,758 --> 00:35:41,426 by one living agent who has abilities. 771 00:35:41,428 --> 00:35:44,362 But in your case it's unusual 772 00:35:44,364 --> 00:35:48,566 because you have several people in your home with abilities. 773 00:35:48,568 --> 00:35:50,602 And they're all feeding this poltergeist 774 00:35:50,604 --> 00:35:52,136 without even knowing it. 775 00:35:54,441 --> 00:35:57,875 And what can happen 776 00:35:57,877 --> 00:36:02,413 is that when you get upset with somebody, 777 00:36:02,415 --> 00:36:04,916 the poltergeist will affect that person. 778 00:36:04,918 --> 00:36:06,217 So, suddenly, that person will feel 779 00:36:06,219 --> 00:36:07,986 like they're being smacked, 780 00:36:07,988 --> 00:36:09,387 pinched, punched, 781 00:36:09,389 --> 00:36:11,623 kicked, scratches will appear, 782 00:36:11,625 --> 00:36:13,725 things like that happen. 783 00:36:13,727 --> 00:36:16,194 Also, you'll see strange things. 784 00:36:16,196 --> 00:36:20,565 It's a result of this poltergeist manifestation 785 00:36:20,567 --> 00:36:24,602 from somebody in the house. 786 00:36:24,604 --> 00:36:26,738 Now, she hit on a lot of things you guys are experiencing. 787 00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:28,172 Lexie with the scratch. 788 00:36:28,174 --> 00:36:29,974 Tell Amy what happened. 789 00:36:29,976 --> 00:36:32,276 We were all getting ready to leave, you know, 790 00:36:32,278 --> 00:36:34,212 and she's walking down the hall 791 00:36:34,214 --> 00:36:37,315 and all of a sudden she's just scratched. 792 00:36:37,317 --> 00:36:41,352 Tell her about, uh, pretty wild, there's the door. 793 00:36:41,354 --> 00:36:44,822 Lexie was going into the kitchen to get food. 794 00:36:44,824 --> 00:36:46,190 And she was almost to the kitchen 795 00:36:46,192 --> 00:36:48,026 but her bedroom door was sitting there opening and closing, 796 00:36:48,028 --> 00:36:50,194 like, fully opening and closing. 797 00:36:50,196 --> 00:36:52,897 You were saying people might see strange things? 798 00:36:52,899 --> 00:36:55,266 Now get this, their son Zeke 799 00:36:55,268 --> 00:36:57,393 was telling me some crazy stuff. 800 00:36:57,395 --> 00:37:00,096 I mean, green men coming outta the walls... 801 00:37:00,098 --> 00:37:01,130 - Oh, yeah. - Oh. 802 00:37:01,132 --> 00:37:02,565 Oh, yeah. 803 00:37:02,567 --> 00:37:04,834 STEVE: Could all this activity be from the poltergeist? 804 00:37:04,836 --> 00:37:08,471 Yes, absolutely. 805 00:37:08,473 --> 00:37:09,806 STEVE: All right. Now, there's something you gotta know 806 00:37:09,808 --> 00:37:11,307 about the area that they live in. 807 00:37:11,309 --> 00:37:14,177 It's basically built on a copper mining business. 808 00:37:14,179 --> 00:37:15,912 1994 the EPA came in 809 00:37:15,914 --> 00:37:19,549 and declared the area an environmental disaster zone. 810 00:37:19,551 --> 00:37:21,584 - What? - Now some of the toxins 811 00:37:21,586 --> 00:37:23,252 in the water can cause hallucinations. 812 00:37:23,254 --> 00:37:25,722 So I had everything checked in your house. 813 00:37:25,724 --> 00:37:28,725 I had the soil, the water and paint. 814 00:37:28,727 --> 00:37:31,227 Everything came back negative. 815 00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:34,430 AMY: Yeah. I think the kids are creating the strange visions 816 00:37:34,432 --> 00:37:35,965 to scare each other. 817 00:37:35,967 --> 00:37:37,533 They're torturing each other. 818 00:37:40,105 --> 00:37:41,571 Do they know they're doing that to each other? 819 00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:43,940 No, I don't think they do. 820 00:37:43,942 --> 00:37:45,541 But it's subconsciously they're doing it? 821 00:37:45,543 --> 00:37:47,677 Yes, mm-hmm. 822 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,980 The strongest agent in the house, uh, 823 00:37:50,982 --> 00:37:52,682 of this ability 824 00:37:52,684 --> 00:37:54,817 is Lexie. 825 00:37:54,819 --> 00:37:56,185 Wow. 826 00:37:56,187 --> 00:37:58,488 I... I don't know... I don't know what to say. 827 00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:00,089 I knew she was going through a lot 828 00:38:00,091 --> 00:38:04,060 but I didn't know it was like that. 829 00:38:04,062 --> 00:38:06,095 If this goes unchecked what happens? 830 00:38:06,097 --> 00:38:08,431 AMY: It'll get more and more active, 831 00:38:08,433 --> 00:38:12,802 especially when she starts to go through puberty. 832 00:38:12,804 --> 00:38:16,139 That's when, like, things can really get crazy. 833 00:38:16,141 --> 00:38:17,340 I never in a million years 834 00:38:17,342 --> 00:38:19,575 would have thought that that would be it. 835 00:38:19,577 --> 00:38:21,177 How violent could it get? 836 00:38:21,179 --> 00:38:22,445 There was one case 837 00:38:22,447 --> 00:38:25,515 I did where a woman had over 300 stitches. 838 00:38:25,517 --> 00:38:28,317 Couches I've seen go flying across rooms, 839 00:38:28,319 --> 00:38:30,520 people being dragged, uh, 840 00:38:30,522 --> 00:38:32,688 through the house by their hair. 841 00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:33,956 So this could happen here, potentially? 842 00:38:33,958 --> 00:38:36,526 Yes, potentially. Yeah. 843 00:38:36,528 --> 00:38:38,628 It can get pretty intense. 844 00:38:55,391 --> 00:38:56,958 STEVE: So you guys called us in 845 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,526 because you knew you had a problem. 846 00:38:58,528 --> 00:39:02,530 But I'm sure you never imagined in a million years 847 00:39:02,532 --> 00:39:05,466 that you guys were haunting each other. 848 00:39:05,468 --> 00:39:07,769 To find out how to fix it and stop it, 849 00:39:07,771 --> 00:39:09,270 I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 850 00:39:12,709 --> 00:39:17,612 What I would like to see happen is for a psychic 851 00:39:17,614 --> 00:39:22,250 to come in to do the initial cleansing. 852 00:39:22,252 --> 00:39:26,754 And that person is going to teach you how to do it. 853 00:39:26,756 --> 00:39:28,055 This is one of things 854 00:39:28,057 --> 00:39:31,058 that you and your children 855 00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:34,962 are going to need to do for the rest of your lives. 856 00:39:34,964 --> 00:39:39,901 Over time, it'll remove residual energy and impressions. 857 00:39:39,903 --> 00:39:42,970 So it'll be a lot quieter, a lot more peaceful. 858 00:39:42,972 --> 00:39:46,407 Everybody will feel very chill. 859 00:39:46,409 --> 00:39:49,377 I'm curious about one thing, the protection that went wrong. 860 00:39:49,379 --> 00:39:51,746 Will these cleansings help reverse that? 861 00:39:51,748 --> 00:39:55,817 AMY: Yes, doing the monthly cleansings 862 00:39:55,819 --> 00:40:00,288 will take care of a lot of the bigger issues. 863 00:40:00,290 --> 00:40:03,558 The second thing I would like to see happen would be 864 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,628 for the psychic to remove the deceased people. 865 00:40:07,630 --> 00:40:10,498 That would be the older gentleman, 866 00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:13,134 his main wife 867 00:40:13,136 --> 00:40:15,136 and the second wife, 868 00:40:15,138 --> 00:40:18,806 who is the teenager. 869 00:40:18,808 --> 00:40:20,374 The third thing, 870 00:40:20,376 --> 00:40:22,076 uh, this is again something 871 00:40:22,078 --> 00:40:24,011 that the family will need to do together 872 00:40:24,013 --> 00:40:26,080 and need to keep it up. 873 00:40:26,082 --> 00:40:29,417 One is hatha yoga, and then tai chi. 874 00:40:29,419 --> 00:40:31,652 So that'll decrease the poltergeist activity? 875 00:40:31,654 --> 00:40:33,020 Oh, yes, immensely. 876 00:40:33,022 --> 00:40:34,789 Saw that look on your face 877 00:40:34,791 --> 00:40:36,924 when you started talking about yoga and tai chi. 878 00:40:36,926 --> 00:40:39,760 I... I... I enjoy everything. 879 00:40:39,762 --> 00:40:41,996 Don't matter to me. Let's have fun. 880 00:40:41,998 --> 00:40:44,432 - Okay. - The other thing 881 00:40:44,434 --> 00:40:47,001 that I would like to see happen 882 00:40:47,003 --> 00:40:48,502 is for Lexie 883 00:40:48,504 --> 00:40:52,106 to maybe see a child psychotherapist 884 00:40:52,108 --> 00:40:54,575 for her to learn 885 00:40:54,577 --> 00:40:56,344 how to open up a little bit more, 886 00:40:56,346 --> 00:40:57,778 how to communicate 887 00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:59,814 about her emotions a little bit more, 888 00:40:59,816 --> 00:41:03,484 which will help her learn to kind of ground out 889 00:41:03,486 --> 00:41:05,753 and control her energy. 890 00:41:05,755 --> 00:41:08,489 I think that would be really good for her. 891 00:41:08,491 --> 00:41:11,125 So, Jennie, this is gonna be a life long thing. 892 00:41:11,127 --> 00:41:12,827 You up for that? 893 00:41:12,829 --> 00:41:15,263 I mean, it'll probably get us closer and hopefully 894 00:41:15,265 --> 00:41:16,664 get her to open up. 895 00:41:16,666 --> 00:41:18,799 Is this something you guys are definitely gonna wanna... 896 00:41:18,801 --> 00:41:19,901 Look into and do? Oh, yes. 897 00:41:19,903 --> 00:41:22,403 - Oh, yes. - Oh, definitely. 898 00:41:22,405 --> 00:41:25,139 I have an answer and you're turning a negative 899 00:41:25,141 --> 00:41:26,841 - into a positive... - Right. 900 00:41:26,843 --> 00:41:29,143 For the family, for the house, 901 00:41:29,145 --> 00:41:32,046 for everybody. 902 00:41:32,048 --> 00:41:33,981 AMY: Jennie and Randall have a lot of work 903 00:41:33,983 --> 00:41:36,517 to do if they want to rid their home of the dead 904 00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:38,452 and the poltergeist that they're feeding. 905 00:41:38,454 --> 00:41:41,255 But with the help of a psychic and a therapist, 906 00:41:41,257 --> 00:41:42,757 they can work as a family 907 00:41:42,759 --> 00:41:46,560 to free themselves of the evil that's been tearing them apart. 908 00:41:46,610 --> 00:41:51,160 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 67499

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