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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,861 --> 00:00:14,326 Then the house spit out this entity. 2 00:00:14,966 --> 00:00:16,999 There was a silhouette, just all black, 3 00:00:17,001 --> 00:00:19,869 - standing in the doorway. - Ow. 4 00:00:19,871 --> 00:00:23,539 Her face had been bludgeoned till she was unrecognizable. 5 00:00:23,541 --> 00:00:27,643 This thing does not [bleep] like this person. 6 00:00:27,645 --> 00:00:30,246 I need to know that my family is safe. 7 00:00:30,248 --> 00:00:33,382 This person's in trouble. 8 00:00:33,384 --> 00:00:37,754 It's saying, "I'm gonna make you pay." 9 00:00:37,756 --> 00:00:40,423 Something bad's going to happen. 10 00:00:40,425 --> 00:00:43,326 My name is Amy Allan. 11 00:00:43,328 --> 00:00:44,694 There's panic. 12 00:00:44,696 --> 00:00:46,129 And it's almost like a butchering. 13 00:00:46,131 --> 00:00:47,196 I see dead people. 14 00:00:47,198 --> 00:00:49,332 They all died horribly. 15 00:00:49,334 --> 00:00:51,033 I speak to dead people. 16 00:00:51,035 --> 00:00:52,435 Get out of here. 17 00:00:52,437 --> 00:00:54,070 And they speak to me. 18 00:00:54,072 --> 00:00:56,105 Vicious. 19 00:00:56,107 --> 00:00:59,242 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 20 00:00:59,244 --> 00:01:00,943 It doesn't matter where you are. I'll find you. 21 00:01:00,945 --> 00:01:02,512 I rely on my partner. 22 00:01:02,514 --> 00:01:04,147 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 23 00:01:04,149 --> 00:01:06,048 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 24 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:07,750 This guy's a real piece of work. 25 00:01:07,752 --> 00:01:11,420 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 26 00:01:11,422 --> 00:01:12,922 I feel like I live in a house of Hell. 27 00:01:12,924 --> 00:01:14,090 It's my job to reveal them. 28 00:01:14,092 --> 00:01:16,359 This is not good. 29 00:01:16,361 --> 00:01:18,094 But Steve and I never speak... 30 00:01:18,096 --> 00:01:20,129 We never communicate during an investigation. 31 00:01:20,131 --> 00:01:21,898 Until the very end... 32 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:23,366 I want my life back. 33 00:01:23,368 --> 00:01:25,568 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 34 00:01:25,570 --> 00:01:27,370 - Is he trying to kill her? - [Sobs] 35 00:01:27,372 --> 00:01:28,638 Or time to get out. 36 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,139 Oh, my God. 37 00:01:30,141 --> 00:01:31,641 This is going to kill us. 38 00:01:32,833 --> 00:01:37,318 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - www.addic7ed.com - 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,242 I'm in Delaware, Ohio, about 35 minutes north of Columbus. 40 00:01:49,244 --> 00:01:51,611 I got a call from a newlywed mother of two 41 00:01:51,613 --> 00:01:53,996 who just moved into her new husband's home. 42 00:01:53,998 --> 00:01:55,965 You would think this would be the happiest time of her life, 43 00:01:55,967 --> 00:01:58,301 but she says she's in a living hell. 44 00:01:58,303 --> 00:02:00,319 She's convinced the house is haunted 45 00:02:00,321 --> 00:02:03,072 and that her and her two kids are in serious danger. 46 00:02:03,074 --> 00:02:05,308 She practically begged me and Amy to come out here, 47 00:02:05,310 --> 00:02:07,176 and I'm hoping we can help her out. 48 00:02:11,182 --> 00:02:12,515 MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives, 49 00:02:12,517 --> 00:02:16,118 I clear the house of any leading information. 50 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:17,687 Once family photos, 51 00:02:17,689 --> 00:02:21,157 religious and personal items are covered or removed, 52 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:23,492 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 53 00:02:32,136 --> 00:02:36,339 AMY: I'm having problems with this lady 54 00:02:36,341 --> 00:02:41,844 'cause she feels like it's hell for her to be here. 55 00:02:41,846 --> 00:02:44,814 But I think she had money and nice things, 56 00:02:44,816 --> 00:02:48,584 but her husband made them move here to farm, 57 00:02:48,586 --> 00:02:50,887 and things did not go well. 58 00:02:50,889 --> 00:02:54,323 She thought that the land was bad. 59 00:02:54,325 --> 00:02:59,245 Then, she says she is gonna give him a taste of his own medicine. 60 00:03:08,506 --> 00:03:10,206 STEVE: Amy, you sounded really bad on the phone 61 00:03:10,208 --> 00:03:12,008 as far as the activity here. 62 00:03:12,010 --> 00:03:13,409 What's happening? 63 00:03:13,411 --> 00:03:15,811 Well, I moved here about four months ago, 64 00:03:15,813 --> 00:03:19,048 with my two children, after I got married. 65 00:03:19,050 --> 00:03:21,751 And it's escalated to the point where it's pure hell 66 00:03:21,753 --> 00:03:23,336 living here. 67 00:03:23,338 --> 00:03:28,391 It's just not what I expected from being newly married. 68 00:03:28,393 --> 00:03:29,725 Did you guys buy this place together? 69 00:03:29,727 --> 00:03:30,993 - What happened? - We did not. 70 00:03:30,995 --> 00:03:33,095 Phil actually purchased this house, um, a few months 71 00:03:33,097 --> 00:03:35,564 before we met a couple years ago. 72 00:03:35,566 --> 00:03:38,217 Okay. So, who exactly lives in the house? 73 00:03:38,219 --> 00:03:39,885 I have a picture here. 74 00:03:39,887 --> 00:03:43,606 Um, this is my husband, Phil, and myself. 75 00:03:43,608 --> 00:03:45,508 There is my older child, Jerrick. 76 00:03:45,510 --> 00:03:46,943 He's 15. 77 00:03:46,945 --> 00:03:50,663 My younger child, Matthias, who is on the autism spectrum, 78 00:03:50,665 --> 00:03:52,214 he is 10. So, Amy, 79 00:03:52,216 --> 00:03:54,250 what kind of things are you guys experiencing in the house? 80 00:03:54,252 --> 00:03:58,020 We have, um, heard things. 81 00:03:58,022 --> 00:04:01,824 Doors will open and close on their own. 82 00:04:01,826 --> 00:04:05,328 We have seen shadows and apparitions. 83 00:04:05,330 --> 00:04:07,530 And it's even escalated to the point 84 00:04:07,532 --> 00:04:09,515 where people have been touched. 85 00:04:09,517 --> 00:04:11,534 I need to know that my family is safe, 86 00:04:11,536 --> 00:04:14,320 and I'm not sure that's the case right now. 87 00:04:14,322 --> 00:04:15,755 Is everybody in the house 88 00:04:15,757 --> 00:04:18,057 having the same amount of experiences? 89 00:04:18,059 --> 00:04:21,744 I personally feel like I have a lot of experiences. 90 00:04:21,746 --> 00:04:23,145 My older son, Jerrick, 91 00:04:23,147 --> 00:04:27,350 has had quite a bit of the bulk of experiences, as well. 92 00:04:27,352 --> 00:04:29,402 Okay. How's he handling all this? 93 00:04:29,404 --> 00:04:30,553 Not very well. 94 00:04:30,555 --> 00:04:32,571 He's... He's incredibly frustrated. 95 00:04:32,573 --> 00:04:35,241 Um, at times, he gets angry. 96 00:04:35,243 --> 00:04:36,442 Wants it to stop, 97 00:04:36,444 --> 00:04:38,728 and, quite frankly, if it doesn't stop, 98 00:04:38,730 --> 00:04:41,314 - he doesn't want to live here. - Really? 99 00:04:41,316 --> 00:04:42,698 I have, at times, 100 00:04:42,700 --> 00:04:47,053 shouted at whatever this is in a very loud voice. 101 00:04:47,055 --> 00:04:49,839 I've just told it that my God is a lot stronger than you. 102 00:04:49,841 --> 00:04:51,841 Did it stop for a little bit? 103 00:04:51,843 --> 00:04:53,793 I think I made it more angry. 104 00:04:53,795 --> 00:04:55,761 I feel like it's evil 105 00:04:55,763 --> 00:04:59,081 and definitely does not want me and my kids here. 106 00:05:01,552 --> 00:05:05,654 This woman is complaining about her mother-in-law. 107 00:05:05,656 --> 00:05:13,062 So, this older woman, she hates the daughter-in-law. 108 00:05:13,064 --> 00:05:14,797 She didn't take care of her family. 109 00:05:14,799 --> 00:05:17,433 She didn't take pride in the family. 110 00:05:17,435 --> 00:05:22,438 What I'm seeing, um, in these rooms and stuff... mm... 111 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,440 doesn't look like this place. 112 00:05:24,442 --> 00:05:28,778 - Okay. - Um, she's freaking out now. 113 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:30,379 It's like she's all hyper now. 114 00:05:30,381 --> 00:05:32,248 It's making me anxious. 115 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:33,349 Oh! 116 00:05:33,351 --> 00:05:36,419 I saw her looking like a corpse. 117 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,595 This is a really, really creepy place down here. 118 00:05:46,597 --> 00:05:47,763 I don't like to come down here. 119 00:05:47,765 --> 00:05:49,698 - Neither does anyone else. - Okay. 120 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:51,450 So, why are you creeped out by it? 121 00:05:51,452 --> 00:05:53,869 You constantly feel like you're being watched. 122 00:05:53,871 --> 00:05:55,254 So, right now, you have that feeling? 123 00:05:55,256 --> 00:05:58,891 - Yes. - Anything else? 124 00:05:58,893 --> 00:06:01,093 Well, the... the most terrifying experience 125 00:06:01,095 --> 00:06:06,732 was when I was pushed down the stairs quite forcefully. 126 00:06:06,734 --> 00:06:09,318 Okay. So, how hard did you get pushed? 127 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,986 Pretty hard, because, I mean, it sent me... 128 00:06:10,988 --> 00:06:12,288 Here. Just hit me. 129 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:13,372 No, no. Just hit my chest. 130 00:06:13,374 --> 00:06:14,707 Show me. Like that. 131 00:06:14,709 --> 00:06:16,075 With both hands, or was it just one? 132 00:06:16,077 --> 00:06:17,610 Yeah. I mean, it was forceful enough 133 00:06:17,612 --> 00:06:20,062 to send me flying down into the wall. 134 00:06:20,064 --> 00:06:21,530 - I'm scared now... - Yeah. 135 00:06:21,532 --> 00:06:23,499 'Cause I don't know if it's gonna happen again. 136 00:06:26,871 --> 00:06:30,039 There are two people running down there, 137 00:06:30,041 --> 00:06:32,341 and they're yelling, and they're scared. 138 00:06:33,044 --> 00:06:37,346 Yeah, they're all... bunch of people cowering in the corner. 139 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:43,085 How many? 140 00:06:43,087 --> 00:06:44,520 10 to 15. 141 00:06:44,522 --> 00:06:48,991 They're all balled up, hunched down, and like that. 142 00:06:48,993 --> 00:06:54,280 I think that people would feel uncomfortable here. 143 00:06:54,282 --> 00:06:58,801 They would feel, uh, fear, uh, 144 00:06:58,803 --> 00:07:00,669 but it's from these people. 145 00:07:09,814 --> 00:07:11,747 STEVE: Okay. So, what's going on in here? 146 00:07:11,749 --> 00:07:18,037 I have seen a shadow figure standing right beside of my bed, 147 00:07:18,039 --> 00:07:19,421 looking down at me. 148 00:07:19,423 --> 00:07:20,506 He was tall. 149 00:07:20,508 --> 00:07:22,791 I'm gonna guess close to 6'. 150 00:07:22,793 --> 00:07:24,577 Couldn't give you distinct facial features 151 00:07:24,579 --> 00:07:26,879 other than he was very thin. 152 00:07:26,881 --> 00:07:28,297 Was it dark in the room? 153 00:07:28,299 --> 00:07:31,851 There was just enough light that... that you could see. 154 00:07:31,853 --> 00:07:33,435 Did you sleep the rest of the night? 155 00:07:33,437 --> 00:07:34,937 Off and on. 156 00:07:34,939 --> 00:07:38,307 I didn't sleep very well, and I haven't really ever since. 157 00:07:40,545 --> 00:07:44,246 What the [bleep] 158 00:07:44,248 --> 00:07:46,248 [Sighs] I don't like it up here. 159 00:07:46,250 --> 00:07:48,884 I don't feel good up here. 160 00:07:48,886 --> 00:07:51,520 Something runs around... 161 00:07:51,522 --> 00:07:55,958 something dark, fast. 162 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,994 Something's dripping off of it. 163 00:07:58,996 --> 00:08:01,363 - Can people see it, too? - Oh, yeah. 164 00:08:01,365 --> 00:08:05,267 This is the thing that they're encountering big-time. 165 00:08:05,269 --> 00:08:06,635 They can't sleep. 166 00:08:06,637 --> 00:08:10,306 They're having, like, apparently out-of-body experiences. 167 00:08:10,308 --> 00:08:11,874 [Breathes sharply] 168 00:08:11,876 --> 00:08:16,912 It's making me nervous and panicky, 169 00:08:16,914 --> 00:08:20,816 and it touches people. 170 00:08:20,818 --> 00:08:23,419 They, uh... They can feel it. 171 00:08:23,421 --> 00:08:25,404 It gives you, like, the chills. 172 00:08:26,224 --> 00:08:27,923 [Breathes deeply] 173 00:08:27,925 --> 00:08:31,727 Now, has anything else happened to you up here? 174 00:08:31,729 --> 00:08:35,164 Yes. In my office next door, 175 00:08:35,166 --> 00:08:37,600 - I was typing at my computer. - Okay. 176 00:08:37,602 --> 00:08:41,370 And the next minute, I was on the floor screaming, 177 00:08:41,372 --> 00:08:45,774 and my son had called 911 because I had fallen. 178 00:08:45,776 --> 00:08:50,079 The chair landed on top of me, and I was unconscious briefly. 179 00:08:50,081 --> 00:08:51,547 What the hell happened? 180 00:08:51,549 --> 00:08:55,317 It's almost as if my chair was flipped over with me in it, 181 00:08:55,319 --> 00:08:58,354 is... is kind of how it looked and felt. 182 00:08:58,356 --> 00:09:00,606 Have you ever experienced fainting spells in the past? 183 00:09:00,608 --> 00:09:01,690 Yes. 184 00:09:01,692 --> 00:09:03,609 But you don't think this is that? 185 00:09:03,611 --> 00:09:05,177 You think it's paranormal? 186 00:09:05,179 --> 00:09:08,063 I do think it's paranormal. 187 00:09:08,065 --> 00:09:09,064 I had no warning. 188 00:09:09,066 --> 00:09:11,183 I didn't feel weird that day. 189 00:09:11,185 --> 00:09:14,603 Everything was fine, and it was with enough force 190 00:09:14,605 --> 00:09:18,440 that I landed across the room with my head into the wall. 191 00:09:18,442 --> 00:09:19,858 I don't know that I'm so convinced 192 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:22,611 that that's paranormal, but I think we'll figure it out. 193 00:09:22,613 --> 00:09:24,213 Okay. 194 00:09:24,215 --> 00:09:25,848 Have you thought about leaving? 195 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:27,950 If they're in danger... I mean, 196 00:09:27,952 --> 00:09:29,618 I would move tonight if... 197 00:09:29,620 --> 00:09:31,954 if I thought my kids were not safe. 198 00:09:35,860 --> 00:09:40,863 This thing is here most of the time in this room. 199 00:09:40,865 --> 00:09:43,866 This woman with, like, light hair... 200 00:09:43,868 --> 00:09:45,467 Like, is she being grabbed? 201 00:09:45,469 --> 00:09:47,102 She can feel it. 202 00:09:47,104 --> 00:09:52,374 Being grabbed in the back of the neck, hard. 203 00:09:52,376 --> 00:09:54,076 Like, I feel her neck hurts. 204 00:09:54,078 --> 00:09:57,179 Like, her spine in her neck, you know? 205 00:09:57,181 --> 00:10:02,418 Then, it, like, slams her forward 206 00:10:02,420 --> 00:10:03,485 so she's, like, sitting, 207 00:10:03,487 --> 00:10:05,254 and it just goes... 208 00:10:05,256 --> 00:10:07,156 Like, all of a sudden, she's just like... 209 00:10:10,328 --> 00:10:11,910 Oh, my God. 210 00:10:12,596 --> 00:10:13,929 Ah. 211 00:10:35,847 --> 00:10:37,313 STEVE: Now, Phil, when I talked to Amy, 212 00:10:37,315 --> 00:10:39,515 she was talking about how you bought this place 213 00:10:39,517 --> 00:10:40,916 before you guys even met. 214 00:10:40,918 --> 00:10:42,301 - Mm-hmm. - Okay. 215 00:10:42,303 --> 00:10:43,919 So, how long were you here before she actually moved in? 216 00:10:43,921 --> 00:10:45,287 About 2 1/2 years. 217 00:10:45,289 --> 00:10:47,790 So, did you notice anything unusual when you first moved in? 218 00:10:47,792 --> 00:10:52,328 Honestly, I never really saw much in those 2 1/2 years. 219 00:10:52,330 --> 00:10:56,232 After Amy and the kids moved in, um, I... 220 00:10:56,234 --> 00:10:58,901 it just... Things escalated from there. 221 00:10:58,903 --> 00:11:01,537 - What happened? - One night, I was sleeping. 222 00:11:01,539 --> 00:11:05,374 And around 3:30 in the morning, I just was restless. 223 00:11:05,376 --> 00:11:08,244 And I kind of rolled over and looked over my shoulder, 224 00:11:08,246 --> 00:11:11,564 and in the doorway was a... 225 00:11:11,566 --> 00:11:13,933 like, a silhouette, just all black, 226 00:11:13,935 --> 00:11:15,618 standing in the doorway. 227 00:11:15,620 --> 00:11:18,454 I stared at it for about five seconds. 228 00:11:18,456 --> 00:11:19,521 The eyes were clear. 229 00:11:19,523 --> 00:11:21,290 Everything else was black. 230 00:11:21,292 --> 00:11:22,825 And, after five seconds, 231 00:11:22,827 --> 00:11:24,810 I looked away, looked back, and it was gone. 232 00:11:24,812 --> 00:11:27,963 - That's when I was convinced. - Okay. 233 00:11:27,965 --> 00:11:30,499 So, have you experienced anything else? 234 00:11:30,501 --> 00:11:31,934 Doors opening and closing. 235 00:11:31,936 --> 00:11:33,369 I'd be downstairs, 236 00:11:33,371 --> 00:11:36,388 and you would hear one of the bedroom door's latch click. 237 00:11:36,390 --> 00:11:37,756 And then, it would pause for a second. 238 00:11:37,758 --> 00:11:38,874 Then, you'd hear it closed again. 239 00:11:38,876 --> 00:11:40,743 And you can go up and press the doors, 240 00:11:40,745 --> 00:11:42,544 and they're locked. 241 00:11:42,546 --> 00:11:43,879 So, you've gone up to investigate? 242 00:11:43,881 --> 00:11:45,147 - Absolutely. - Okay. 243 00:11:45,149 --> 00:11:46,515 Are you sure the kids ain't up there? 244 00:11:46,517 --> 00:11:47,983 Positive. 245 00:11:47,985 --> 00:11:49,351 Amy's gonna do her walk, 246 00:11:49,353 --> 00:11:51,170 and she may say, "Listen, you need to move from here." 247 00:11:51,172 --> 00:11:52,755 How... How would you feel about that? 248 00:11:52,757 --> 00:11:53,872 - I love the house. - Right. 249 00:11:53,874 --> 00:11:58,627 But I love my wife and kids a lot more. 250 00:11:58,629 --> 00:12:03,132 This thing causes a lot of anxiety. 251 00:12:03,134 --> 00:12:05,534 It's almost like, if the doors were closed, this thing would, 252 00:12:05,536 --> 00:12:08,971 like, run back and forth and, like, slam into the door, 253 00:12:08,973 --> 00:12:10,272 trying to get in. 254 00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:15,060 They hear it. 255 00:12:15,062 --> 00:12:17,529 It, like... 256 00:12:17,531 --> 00:12:21,717 can go into people's bodies a little bit, 257 00:12:21,719 --> 00:12:25,220 and it definitely takes energy away from people. 258 00:12:25,222 --> 00:12:27,439 And then, it... it makes them do things. 259 00:12:27,441 --> 00:12:28,958 Like what? 260 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,127 Picks people for the person to get angry at. 261 00:12:32,129 --> 00:12:34,930 So it's not, like, a generalized anger. 262 00:12:34,932 --> 00:12:36,598 It's specific. 263 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,852 Like, it plants very specific thoughts. 264 00:12:39,854 --> 00:12:44,290 Like, "You're gonna get angry at this person." 265 00:12:44,292 --> 00:12:48,644 Somehow, it's associated with the house. 266 00:12:48,646 --> 00:12:54,516 I see it, like, pulling things from the past and eating it. 267 00:13:02,893 --> 00:13:03,892 STEVE: Jerrick, how old are you? 268 00:13:03,894 --> 00:13:06,095 JERRICK: 15. 269 00:13:06,097 --> 00:13:07,830 So, I was talking to Mom and Phil. 270 00:13:07,832 --> 00:13:09,465 Seems like things are pretty bad here. 271 00:13:09,467 --> 00:13:11,850 Yeah, our attitudes change a lot. 272 00:13:11,852 --> 00:13:15,604 I'll be just sitting down, just having a great day. 273 00:13:15,606 --> 00:13:18,240 And then, out of nowhere, I'll just be angry 274 00:13:18,242 --> 00:13:20,159 and just get angry at the world for no reason. 275 00:13:20,161 --> 00:13:22,745 And it's just... It's really weird. 276 00:13:22,747 --> 00:13:24,163 Anything else? 277 00:13:24,165 --> 00:13:26,348 I'm a firm believer that there's three shadow figures 278 00:13:26,350 --> 00:13:28,133 in this house... a taller one, 279 00:13:28,135 --> 00:13:32,388 big, black, probably about 5'10" to, like, 6' tall, 280 00:13:32,390 --> 00:13:34,923 and two shorter ones, more childlike. 281 00:13:34,925 --> 00:13:36,108 Where do you see that? 282 00:13:36,110 --> 00:13:37,693 You'll see it out of the corner of your eye. 283 00:13:37,695 --> 00:13:39,078 You'll see something, 284 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,731 like, smaller peeking around the corner of the stairs at you. 285 00:13:42,733 --> 00:13:44,466 I mean, how are you dealing with this? 286 00:13:44,468 --> 00:13:45,868 I don't sleep well. 287 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:47,970 If something happens, I'll either ignore it or... 288 00:13:47,972 --> 00:13:49,805 I'm not usually really quick to challenge it 289 00:13:49,807 --> 00:13:51,223 because I don't like challenging things 290 00:13:51,225 --> 00:13:52,474 that I can't fight back to, 291 00:13:52,476 --> 00:13:54,777 - 'cause I can't see them. - Anything else? 292 00:13:54,779 --> 00:13:57,379 One time, I was sitting up in my room, watching TV, 293 00:13:57,381 --> 00:13:58,480 and something came over 294 00:13:58,482 --> 00:13:59,832 and just slammed its hand down on my leg, 295 00:13:59,834 --> 00:14:01,950 with more force than that. 296 00:14:01,952 --> 00:14:03,118 What do you think is here? 297 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,537 I feel that whatever's in this house 298 00:14:05,539 --> 00:14:09,258 doesn't really like people who are devout Christians. 299 00:14:12,229 --> 00:14:15,697 Whoo! 300 00:14:15,699 --> 00:14:19,034 This thing does not [bleep] like this person 301 00:14:19,036 --> 00:14:22,271 and, like, is, like, choking them bad. 302 00:14:22,273 --> 00:14:24,807 Like, holy [bleep] 303 00:14:24,809 --> 00:14:28,977 Like, cannot breathe. 304 00:14:28,979 --> 00:14:32,598 This is very focused, which is strange 305 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,317 because this thing doesn't have one consciousness. 306 00:14:35,319 --> 00:14:38,587 This person is somehow triggering something 307 00:14:38,589 --> 00:14:39,955 in this thing 308 00:14:39,957 --> 00:14:43,725 that's making it want to kill this [bleep] person. 309 00:14:46,263 --> 00:14:48,530 - So it could? - Yeah. 310 00:14:48,532 --> 00:14:53,602 I-I don't know how that hasn't happened. 311 00:14:53,604 --> 00:14:55,704 Ooh, it's so bad. 312 00:14:55,706 --> 00:14:57,773 This person's in trouble. 313 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,475 [Bell tolling] 314 00:15:14,579 --> 00:15:16,645 Phil and Amy don't have a clue about the history 315 00:15:16,647 --> 00:15:18,214 of their property, 316 00:15:18,216 --> 00:15:21,033 so I reached out to several local historians. 317 00:15:21,035 --> 00:15:23,436 I just got a call back from a genealogist. 318 00:15:23,438 --> 00:15:27,022 He tells me the original owners of their land ended up broke, 319 00:15:27,024 --> 00:15:28,891 alone, and insane. 320 00:15:34,632 --> 00:15:35,798 STEVE: Russ, you mentioned on the phone 321 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,501 that the original owners of my clients' land 322 00:15:38,503 --> 00:15:40,002 had a pretty tough time there 323 00:15:40,004 --> 00:15:41,370 and that they actually went insane. 324 00:15:41,372 --> 00:15:43,389 - Is that right? - Yes, they did. 325 00:15:43,391 --> 00:15:44,740 There were two gentlemen. 326 00:15:44,742 --> 00:15:47,309 There was a prominent Pittsburgh judge named Henry Baldwin. 327 00:15:47,311 --> 00:15:49,311 And I have a picture of Baldwin here. 328 00:15:49,313 --> 00:15:52,047 He inherited the property, about 16,000 acres... 329 00:15:52,049 --> 00:15:53,849 - Okay... - in about 1807, 330 00:15:53,851 --> 00:15:55,551 but he didn't want to come to Delaware. 331 00:15:55,553 --> 00:15:58,671 So he hired Moses Bixby to manage the property. 332 00:15:58,673 --> 00:16:01,207 He was a local businessman in the Delaware area. 333 00:16:01,209 --> 00:16:04,226 A year later, Henry Baldwin sold Bixby the land. 334 00:16:04,228 --> 00:16:05,428 How does it go for him? 335 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:08,097 In 1816, his daughter Lucy 336 00:16:08,099 --> 00:16:10,599 dies of unknown causes at the age of 27. 337 00:16:10,601 --> 00:16:13,369 1821, his wife, also named Lucy... 338 00:16:13,371 --> 00:16:16,005 She dies at the age of 61. 339 00:16:16,007 --> 00:16:17,173 Okay. 340 00:16:17,175 --> 00:16:19,241 So Bixby suffered a lot during his time there. 341 00:16:19,243 --> 00:16:21,811 But you said the two original owners went insane. 342 00:16:21,813 --> 00:16:24,196 Who went crazy first... Bixby or Baldwin? 343 00:16:24,198 --> 00:16:25,648 Baldwin. 344 00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:27,967 Actually, he was appointed to Congress in 1822. 345 00:16:27,969 --> 00:16:29,635 Shortly after taking his seat, 346 00:16:29,637 --> 00:16:32,354 he steps down because of mental illness. 347 00:16:32,356 --> 00:16:34,173 He ends up coming back to Delaware, 348 00:16:34,175 --> 00:16:36,258 and he's wanting his property back. 349 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:38,461 The property that he sold to Bixby? 350 00:16:38,463 --> 00:16:39,462 - Correct, yes. - All right. 351 00:16:39,464 --> 00:16:40,513 So, what does he do? 352 00:16:40,515 --> 00:16:42,097 He ends up taking Bixby to court. 353 00:16:42,099 --> 00:16:43,933 Bixby does win the case 354 00:16:43,935 --> 00:16:47,586 because Baldwin did sell him the property. 355 00:16:47,588 --> 00:16:51,574 Even though Bixby won the case, it took a big toll on him. 356 00:16:51,576 --> 00:16:55,344 Later on that year, he is declared insane, 357 00:16:55,346 --> 00:16:58,214 and the state legislature appoints guardians to keep him. 358 00:16:58,216 --> 00:17:01,784 Here's an article to that effect. 359 00:17:01,786 --> 00:17:04,286 Okay. So now, he's being watched by these state guardians. 360 00:17:04,288 --> 00:17:06,272 - How does it go? - It doesn't go well. 361 00:17:06,274 --> 00:17:10,109 Two years later, in 1826, Bixby escapes the house 362 00:17:10,111 --> 00:17:12,194 and runs into the Olentangy River, 363 00:17:12,196 --> 00:17:14,213 and he dies a few days later of pneumonia. 364 00:17:14,215 --> 00:17:15,998 And here's his obit. 365 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,603 All right. So, we see how it ends for Bixby. 366 00:17:20,605 --> 00:17:21,971 What about Baldwin? 367 00:17:21,973 --> 00:17:23,606 It doesn't go well for him either. 368 00:17:23,608 --> 00:17:25,608 He ends up dying penniless and alone 369 00:17:25,610 --> 00:17:27,510 in a hotel in Philadelphia. 370 00:17:33,084 --> 00:17:37,820 I think this thing makes people act funny. 371 00:17:37,822 --> 00:17:40,523 So, what is this thing exactly? 372 00:17:40,525 --> 00:17:42,791 It's from the house. 373 00:17:42,793 --> 00:17:46,462 Over time, the house collected all of these energies 374 00:17:46,464 --> 00:17:48,113 from people. 375 00:17:48,115 --> 00:17:49,532 Maybe the land was bad. 376 00:17:49,534 --> 00:17:51,400 And then, this, you know, 377 00:17:51,402 --> 00:17:55,304 collected that negative energy from living people. 378 00:17:55,306 --> 00:18:00,042 And then, the house, like, spit out this, like, entity. 379 00:18:02,246 --> 00:18:04,213 Like, almost like PK? 380 00:18:04,215 --> 00:18:06,081 Something like that. 381 00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:10,352 PK or entities created by psychokinesis are very powerful 382 00:18:10,354 --> 00:18:12,821 and can physically influence their environment. 383 00:18:12,823 --> 00:18:14,523 What's freaking me out about this one 384 00:18:14,525 --> 00:18:17,776 is that it was created by the house instead of a person, 385 00:18:17,778 --> 00:18:21,530 and that's something I've never seen before. 386 00:18:21,532 --> 00:18:24,300 It's definitely getting stronger, um, 387 00:18:24,302 --> 00:18:26,402 so that makes me concerned. 388 00:18:29,774 --> 00:18:31,106 STEVE: So far, I've got clients 389 00:18:31,108 --> 00:18:33,809 that have been physically assaulted by unseen forces 390 00:18:33,811 --> 00:18:36,512 and two former property owners who went insane. 391 00:18:36,514 --> 00:18:38,180 But I've still got to see if there's anything else 392 00:18:38,182 --> 00:18:41,016 that could help my case. 393 00:18:41,018 --> 00:18:43,218 Searching through old records, I find a woman 394 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:47,056 who killed her husband during a forced baptism 395 00:18:47,058 --> 00:18:48,991 right next to Amy and Phil's property. 396 00:18:52,246 --> 00:18:54,096 Heading over to meet with a local pastor 397 00:18:54,098 --> 00:18:56,131 who agreed to look into this case for me. 398 00:19:02,857 --> 00:19:04,106 STEVE: Jason, thanks for meeting me. 399 00:19:04,108 --> 00:19:05,574 I appreciate it. In all my time 400 00:19:05,576 --> 00:19:07,376 on the police department and working homicides, 401 00:19:07,378 --> 00:19:12,498 I never had a case involving a murder with baptism. 402 00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:14,083 And the reason I'm interested in his death 403 00:19:14,085 --> 00:19:16,251 is because it happened right near my client's property. 404 00:19:16,253 --> 00:19:18,020 So, what do you know about this guy? 405 00:19:18,022 --> 00:19:19,371 William McCoy. 406 00:19:19,373 --> 00:19:22,825 He joined the National Guard right before World War I, 407 00:19:22,827 --> 00:19:24,126 so it'd be 1917. 408 00:19:24,128 --> 00:19:26,629 He ended up going to Europe and serving. 409 00:19:26,631 --> 00:19:28,130 And while he was there, 410 00:19:28,132 --> 00:19:29,248 his battalion, 411 00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:32,868 or his squad, got bombed by the Germans with gas. 412 00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:35,537 And he ended up having to come back. 413 00:19:35,539 --> 00:19:37,456 He was honorably discharged, 414 00:19:37,458 --> 00:19:40,309 and because of the damage to his lungs, 415 00:19:40,311 --> 00:19:42,244 tuberculosis sets in. 416 00:19:42,246 --> 00:19:43,545 Okay. So, what happens? 417 00:19:43,547 --> 00:19:46,799 He ends up actually meeting a lady, Bertha Wilson. 418 00:19:46,801 --> 00:19:48,417 This is Bertha. 419 00:19:48,419 --> 00:19:52,021 And I guess they fell in love, and they get married. 420 00:19:52,023 --> 00:19:56,592 By 1925, McCoy's lungs have deteriorated so badly 421 00:19:56,594 --> 00:19:59,294 that he's being treated at this hospital in Dayton, 422 00:19:59,296 --> 00:20:01,930 and they basically send him home to die. 423 00:20:01,932 --> 00:20:03,399 Okay. 424 00:20:03,401 --> 00:20:07,369 And they send him, basically, to his foster parents' house 425 00:20:07,371 --> 00:20:08,737 here in Delaware. 426 00:20:08,739 --> 00:20:13,242 They called in a local Grace Methodist Episcopal pastor 427 00:20:13,244 --> 00:20:15,678 to baptize him, 428 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,180 but he does it by pouring or sprinkling. 429 00:20:18,182 --> 00:20:20,916 Bertha demands a different type of baptism. 430 00:20:20,918 --> 00:20:22,217 The only way in her eyes 431 00:20:22,219 --> 00:20:25,554 that he could truly know that his soul was gonna be saved 432 00:20:25,556 --> 00:20:28,991 is if he was immersed in full baptism. 433 00:20:28,993 --> 00:20:30,926 She calls in this Reverend Pennell. 434 00:20:30,928 --> 00:20:33,145 They pull him off of his deathbed 435 00:20:33,147 --> 00:20:35,964 and immerse him in the water. 436 00:20:35,966 --> 00:20:39,001 He died very soon after the immersion. 437 00:20:39,003 --> 00:20:40,035 Okay. 438 00:20:40,037 --> 00:20:43,372 This is his death certificate. 439 00:20:43,374 --> 00:20:45,724 Now, was she ever officially charged? 440 00:20:45,726 --> 00:20:46,725 No. 441 00:20:46,727 --> 00:20:48,610 There's never charges filed. 442 00:20:48,612 --> 00:20:50,879 Mainly, the sheriff and so forth said, 443 00:20:50,881 --> 00:20:53,849 "Hey, he was gonna die in hours, 444 00:20:53,851 --> 00:20:55,350 or days at the most." 445 00:20:55,352 --> 00:20:59,088 Now, how did this sit with the foster parents? 446 00:20:59,090 --> 00:21:01,457 Well, I mean, they were opposed to it. 447 00:21:01,459 --> 00:21:02,841 They were opposed to the immersion. 448 00:21:02,843 --> 00:21:04,960 They... They didn't want that to happen. 449 00:21:08,165 --> 00:21:10,949 I'm seeing the angry young woman again. 450 00:21:10,951 --> 00:21:16,455 She told me it was 1910, 1915, and 1925... 451 00:21:16,457 --> 00:21:20,509 were very important years for her. 452 00:21:20,511 --> 00:21:25,631 She and the mother-in-law... You know, they had issues. 453 00:21:25,633 --> 00:21:27,316 They butted heads. 454 00:21:27,318 --> 00:21:29,768 The daughter-in-law didn't want to be here anymore, 455 00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:32,821 and she didn't want to live that life. 456 00:21:32,823 --> 00:21:37,059 I think she did, you know, some pretty bad stuff. 457 00:21:37,061 --> 00:21:40,763 She's blaming the land for her actions 458 00:21:40,765 --> 00:21:43,365 and how she became. 459 00:21:43,367 --> 00:21:48,654 Maybe that the land brings out the worst in people 460 00:21:48,656 --> 00:21:52,224 is kind of, I think, what she's trying to say. 461 00:21:52,226 --> 00:21:54,359 So, yeah, I think it's her husband, and I think... 462 00:21:54,361 --> 00:21:55,394 I think she killed him. 463 00:22:13,022 --> 00:22:15,156 STEVE: I never know how wide Amy will open, 464 00:22:15,158 --> 00:22:18,893 so I look into the property and the surrounding neighborhood. 465 00:22:18,895 --> 00:22:21,596 Now, during my research, one thing caught my eye... 466 00:22:21,598 --> 00:22:24,365 a teenage kid who brutally murdered his girlfriend 467 00:22:24,367 --> 00:22:27,451 right near Amy and Phil's property. 468 00:22:27,453 --> 00:22:29,620 I'm heading over to meet with a Delaware police captain 469 00:22:29,622 --> 00:22:31,939 who said that killer is now a free man. 470 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,318 STEVE: So, Captain, the reason I asked you to help me out is, 471 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,954 I found that article about a homicide back in '53. 472 00:22:46,956 --> 00:22:48,589 Involved a young girl, uh, 473 00:22:48,591 --> 00:22:49,857 who was murdered less than a mile 474 00:22:49,859 --> 00:22:51,192 from my clients' property. 475 00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:53,744 What do you know about the victim in the case itself? 476 00:22:53,746 --> 00:22:57,265 Well, she was a former Ohio Wesleyan student. 477 00:22:57,267 --> 00:22:59,300 Her name was Cynthia Pfeil, 478 00:22:59,302 --> 00:23:02,370 and she was 18 years old. 479 00:23:02,372 --> 00:23:04,071 STEVE: Okay. 480 00:23:04,073 --> 00:23:06,307 ADAM: The gentleman that murdered her and was convicted 481 00:23:06,309 --> 00:23:11,679 of her murder was a gentleman by the name of Roy Schinagle. 482 00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:13,381 STEVE: What was their relationship? 483 00:23:13,383 --> 00:23:18,019 They had, uh, dated for approximately two years. 484 00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:19,670 So, how does the murder take place? 485 00:23:19,672 --> 00:23:21,389 - What happens? - Well, what we know is, 486 00:23:21,391 --> 00:23:24,308 on September 16, 1953, 487 00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:28,195 Cynthia's lifeless body was found along "a lonely road," 488 00:23:28,197 --> 00:23:30,248 I believe, is the way it was referred to. 489 00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:31,616 Okay. 490 00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:35,336 Her body showed that she had been strangled or choked. 491 00:23:35,338 --> 00:23:37,972 Her face had been bludgeoned to such an extent 492 00:23:37,974 --> 00:23:41,375 that she was unrecognizable. 493 00:23:41,377 --> 00:23:43,511 Wow. 494 00:23:43,513 --> 00:23:46,047 He, uh, confessed to the crime, 495 00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:48,916 that he had choked her and also bludgeoned her. 496 00:23:48,918 --> 00:23:51,736 So, was she choked to death, and then he beats her? 497 00:23:51,738 --> 00:23:53,588 I mean, do we have any idea what happened? 498 00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:55,690 We really don't know for sure, 499 00:23:55,692 --> 00:23:56,857 but it's been surmised 500 00:23:56,859 --> 00:24:00,411 that he possibly bludgeoned her at that point 501 00:24:00,413 --> 00:24:02,763 to prevent her from being recognized. 502 00:24:02,765 --> 00:24:04,632 And we don't know what the motive was? 503 00:24:04,634 --> 00:24:05,766 Right. 504 00:24:05,768 --> 00:24:08,686 It was reported that Roy and her had an argument. 505 00:24:08,688 --> 00:24:09,870 I believe he's quoted 506 00:24:09,872 --> 00:24:12,206 as referring to it as a "silly little thing" 507 00:24:12,208 --> 00:24:13,507 they argued over. 508 00:24:13,509 --> 00:24:14,675 All right. So, now, what happens? 509 00:24:14,677 --> 00:24:16,811 He gives the confession. 510 00:24:16,813 --> 00:24:18,980 He was indicted for a first-degree murder trial 511 00:24:18,982 --> 00:24:20,948 and found guilty of second-degree murder 512 00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:24,085 on October 24, 1953. 513 00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:26,420 He served 10 years and was paroled. 514 00:24:26,422 --> 00:24:29,607 That's extraordinary how quick that happened. 515 00:24:29,609 --> 00:24:30,691 Yes. 516 00:24:30,693 --> 00:24:32,693 Mr. Schinagle is... is alive. 517 00:24:32,695 --> 00:24:34,362 He's 81 years old, 518 00:24:34,364 --> 00:24:38,916 and he's still living somewhere in... in the state. 519 00:24:45,775 --> 00:24:47,642 Something happened. 520 00:24:47,644 --> 00:24:50,945 Um... I don't know. 521 00:24:54,617 --> 00:24:57,518 I just see some chick getting beat up. 522 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,353 Mm. 523 00:24:59,355 --> 00:25:01,422 She's just getting hit in the head. 524 00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:05,042 The brunette... The brunette gets knocked down. 525 00:25:05,044 --> 00:25:06,627 She blacked out. 526 00:25:06,629 --> 00:25:09,163 Doesn't even know what [bleep] hit her, you know? 527 00:25:09,165 --> 00:25:10,665 But, like, there's a male. 528 00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:12,566 She knows this guy. She knows this guy. 529 00:25:12,568 --> 00:25:15,169 I don't know how old they are. 530 00:25:15,171 --> 00:25:16,170 I don't know. 531 00:25:16,172 --> 00:25:19,040 Probably between [bleep] 532 00:25:19,042 --> 00:25:21,275 I don't know, 17 to 20s. 533 00:25:21,277 --> 00:25:23,611 - I don't know. - Okay. 534 00:25:23,613 --> 00:25:26,931 Feeling choked. 535 00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:28,683 Like, pressure on my neck. 536 00:25:31,387 --> 00:25:37,191 I hear a male voice saying, 537 00:25:37,193 --> 00:25:41,896 "I'm gonna make you pay." 538 00:25:44,467 --> 00:25:47,868 And then, I hear "[bleep]" 539 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:49,637 Oh, my God. 540 00:25:59,382 --> 00:26:00,498 During my walk, 541 00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,918 I saw a dead young woman who was extremely angry. 542 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,419 I'm meeting with a sketch artist 543 00:26:05,421 --> 00:26:09,040 to describe how she appeared in life. 544 00:26:09,042 --> 00:26:13,310 She's probably about 17 years old. 545 00:26:13,312 --> 00:26:16,247 Her eyes are deep-set, 546 00:26:16,249 --> 00:26:20,735 and she has pretty thick eyebrows. 547 00:26:20,737 --> 00:26:23,003 Next, I described a living person 548 00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:26,006 being attacked by this thing. 549 00:26:26,008 --> 00:26:30,077 It looks like it came out of a swamp. 550 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:35,616 It was, like, putting its hand over the person's face. 551 00:26:35,618 --> 00:26:38,786 And it was putting the other hand, like, here. 552 00:26:44,927 --> 00:26:46,694 Is this what you saw? 553 00:26:50,416 --> 00:26:52,900 Yes, that's what I saw. 554 00:27:13,151 --> 00:27:16,352 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 555 00:27:16,354 --> 00:27:17,653 we're ready to reveal our findings 556 00:27:17,655 --> 00:27:21,491 to each other and our clients for the first time. 557 00:27:21,493 --> 00:27:24,694 Amy, I want you to meet Phil and Amy. 558 00:27:24,696 --> 00:27:26,846 They're newlyweds, but their life's been anything 559 00:27:26,848 --> 00:27:28,264 but a honeymoon. 560 00:27:28,266 --> 00:27:30,666 Now, Amy moved in here about four months ago 561 00:27:30,668 --> 00:27:31,934 with her two kids. 562 00:27:31,936 --> 00:27:34,871 And this is a photo of the whole family here. 563 00:27:34,873 --> 00:27:37,707 - This is Jerrick, who's 15... - AMY: Oh. Okay. 564 00:27:37,709 --> 00:27:39,792 And Matthias, who is 10. 565 00:27:39,794 --> 00:27:42,979 The weird thing is that until Amy moved in here with the kids, 566 00:27:42,981 --> 00:27:44,947 the place was relatively quiet. 567 00:27:44,949 --> 00:27:47,233 And then, all hell broke loose. 568 00:27:47,235 --> 00:27:48,785 Amy's very religious, 569 00:27:48,787 --> 00:27:52,288 and her priorities in life are God and her kids, 570 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:53,956 but she doesn't think either one of those things 571 00:27:53,958 --> 00:27:55,958 are welcome here. 572 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,761 So, now that Amy knows a little bit about your family dynamics, 573 00:27:58,763 --> 00:28:00,730 I'm gonna ask her to tell us about her walk. 574 00:28:03,334 --> 00:28:04,934 So, the first person that I met 575 00:28:04,936 --> 00:28:06,869 was a female who was telling me 576 00:28:06,871 --> 00:28:12,191 how she felt like this was hell for her to be here. 577 00:28:12,193 --> 00:28:14,677 She looked nice. 578 00:28:14,679 --> 00:28:19,899 A very well-dressed, uh, attractive woman, young. 579 00:28:19,901 --> 00:28:23,986 Her husband made her come here, 580 00:28:23,988 --> 00:28:26,773 and it was all, like, dirt. 581 00:28:26,775 --> 00:28:32,361 Her mother-in-law was here, and they did not get along. 582 00:28:32,363 --> 00:28:34,030 The younger lady 583 00:28:34,032 --> 00:28:38,534 was talking about how she was really pissed 584 00:28:38,536 --> 00:28:40,420 that her husband brought her here, 585 00:28:40,422 --> 00:28:43,072 that she couldn't be fancy anymore. 586 00:28:43,074 --> 00:28:45,775 And then, she was saying how she was gonna, 587 00:28:45,777 --> 00:28:48,945 uh, give him a taste of his own medicine. 588 00:28:48,947 --> 00:28:55,418 I kind of thought that maybe she killed him. 589 00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:57,653 She gave me three very specific years... 590 00:28:57,655 --> 00:29:01,224 1910, 1915, and 1925. 591 00:29:01,226 --> 00:29:05,561 She said that these were very important years for her. 592 00:29:05,563 --> 00:29:08,097 I got an idea who you might be talking about. 593 00:29:08,099 --> 00:29:11,367 Now, you said the young woman mentioned 1910, 1915, 1925. 594 00:29:11,369 --> 00:29:15,188 Yes. Well, I don't know anything about 1910 or 1915, 595 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:18,541 but 1925 is definitely significant. 596 00:29:18,543 --> 00:29:20,843 That year, an incredibly strange death 597 00:29:20,845 --> 00:29:22,245 took place next to your property. 598 00:29:22,247 --> 00:29:25,848 In the early 1920s, a woman from here named Bertha Wilson 599 00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:29,519 married a World War I vet, this guy, William McCoy. 600 00:29:29,521 --> 00:29:33,523 McCoy winded up getting gassed by the Germans in World War I 601 00:29:33,525 --> 00:29:35,091 and developed TB from it. 602 00:29:35,093 --> 00:29:38,794 In 1925, his condition got really bad. 603 00:29:38,796 --> 00:29:40,530 He was sent home to basically die, 604 00:29:40,532 --> 00:29:43,616 and he was sent home to his foster parents, 605 00:29:43,618 --> 00:29:45,701 who lived right next door. 606 00:29:45,703 --> 00:29:47,470 Because he only had days to live, his parents 607 00:29:47,472 --> 00:29:50,056 had a Methodist minister come in and do a baptism for him... 608 00:29:50,058 --> 00:29:52,942 what they call a sprinkling. 609 00:29:52,944 --> 00:29:55,211 But Bertha, 610 00:29:55,213 --> 00:29:58,614 she wanted her husband to be baptized in a full submersion. 611 00:29:58,616 --> 00:30:01,350 Problem was, his foster parents were against that 612 00:30:01,352 --> 00:30:03,753 because his health was so bad. 613 00:30:03,755 --> 00:30:08,925 Despite the arguing between Bertha and McCoy's parents, 614 00:30:08,927 --> 00:30:10,459 on April 9, 1925, 615 00:30:10,461 --> 00:30:14,564 she hired a minister to come in and perform this baptism. 616 00:30:14,566 --> 00:30:18,751 And within minutes after him going into this tub of water, 617 00:30:18,753 --> 00:30:21,120 he dies. 618 00:30:21,122 --> 00:30:22,371 Now, according to the death certificate, 619 00:30:22,373 --> 00:30:25,308 they say he dies from tuberculosis. 620 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:26,893 Now, I got a newspaper article here 621 00:30:26,895 --> 00:30:30,680 that shows there was a coroner's inquest, 622 00:30:30,682 --> 00:30:36,068 and they put the blame on Bertha and the minister. 623 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:37,853 Bertha was never charged. 624 00:30:37,855 --> 00:30:40,223 I guess they were thinking he was gonna die anyway, 625 00:30:40,225 --> 00:30:42,058 but they never charge her. 626 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,493 I've got a photo of her. 627 00:30:44,495 --> 00:30:48,231 This is her. This is Bertha Wilson. 628 00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:50,516 Huh. 629 00:30:50,518 --> 00:30:52,301 Is it possible that might be the woman you saw? 630 00:30:52,303 --> 00:30:56,556 Well, I-I did have a sketch done of her. 631 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,397 Looks like her. 632 00:31:06,751 --> 00:31:09,201 Mm-hmm. You can definitely... 633 00:31:09,203 --> 00:31:11,454 Even the eyebrows and everything kind of looks the same. 634 00:31:11,456 --> 00:31:12,705 PHIL: The brows, definitely. 635 00:31:12,707 --> 00:31:15,558 So, this lady's in my house. 636 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,326 Yes. 637 00:31:19,397 --> 00:31:22,298 Is it possible she's doing bad things now? 638 00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,133 Yeah. 639 00:31:24,135 --> 00:31:25,768 Well, she kept showing me horrible things 640 00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,937 she did throughout her life. 641 00:31:27,939 --> 00:31:29,839 She was a sociopath. 642 00:31:31,943 --> 00:31:33,843 STEVE: Anything else? 643 00:31:33,845 --> 00:31:35,778 Then, I went into the basement, 644 00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:37,780 and there were these two people 645 00:31:37,782 --> 00:31:42,451 that ran past me down the stairs. 646 00:31:42,453 --> 00:31:44,487 And finally, when I got down in there, 647 00:31:44,489 --> 00:31:48,591 I saw the group of people that were, like, hunched down. 648 00:31:48,593 --> 00:31:53,462 As far as the living picking up on this would be, you know, 649 00:31:53,464 --> 00:31:59,135 these transient feelings of extreme fear, uh, panic, 650 00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:00,970 or anxiety. 651 00:32:00,972 --> 00:32:02,104 You hate the basement. 652 00:32:02,106 --> 00:32:03,506 Mm-hmm. 653 00:32:03,508 --> 00:32:07,293 When I go down there, I don't ever feel like I'm alone. 654 00:32:07,295 --> 00:32:09,178 I feel like there's someone watching. 655 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:10,846 Did you say something before about... 656 00:32:10,848 --> 00:32:12,932 At the top of the stairs, people went past you? 657 00:32:12,934 --> 00:32:15,051 - Yeah. - Tell Amy what happened. 658 00:32:15,053 --> 00:32:17,003 I was going down the stairs 659 00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:21,524 and went flying completely down the stairs, 660 00:32:21,526 --> 00:32:24,377 felt like I was bumped or pushed... 661 00:32:24,379 --> 00:32:27,063 - Okay... - and landed up against the wall, 662 00:32:27,065 --> 00:32:30,383 and I laid there and screamed for several minutes. 663 00:32:30,385 --> 00:32:32,968 Now, with all the stuff that's going on in the basement, 664 00:32:32,970 --> 00:32:34,403 could that have caused her fall? 665 00:32:34,405 --> 00:32:37,423 Actually, I think it could be the woman. 666 00:32:37,425 --> 00:32:41,143 I just feel like it's something she would be capable of. 667 00:32:41,145 --> 00:32:43,679 It explains a lot of things. 668 00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:45,047 See, what I don't get is, 669 00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:47,616 you're very devout. Right. 670 00:32:47,618 --> 00:32:51,103 This woman, in my opinion, was a zealot, but... 671 00:32:51,105 --> 00:32:53,823 I don't think that she was a good person. 672 00:32:53,825 --> 00:32:55,057 It actually scares me 673 00:32:55,059 --> 00:32:58,828 'cause I don't know what else she's capable of doing. 674 00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:01,297 Is she gonna start targeting my kids? 675 00:33:03,401 --> 00:33:04,567 So, what else happened? 676 00:33:04,569 --> 00:33:05,735 Did you stay in the basement? 677 00:33:05,737 --> 00:33:06,769 No. 678 00:33:06,771 --> 00:33:08,087 So, I went upstairs, 679 00:33:08,089 --> 00:33:13,142 and actually, everything kind of changed. 680 00:33:13,144 --> 00:33:15,344 It was not good. 681 00:33:15,346 --> 00:33:20,783 There was this very bizarre thing that I was seeing. 682 00:33:20,785 --> 00:33:23,719 This thing is very physical. 683 00:33:23,721 --> 00:33:25,287 One of the things I saw it doing 684 00:33:25,289 --> 00:33:28,474 was moving very quickly in the hallway area 685 00:33:28,476 --> 00:33:33,879 and, uh, touch on the doors, you know, bang them. 686 00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:37,333 I think that people would hear this. 687 00:33:37,335 --> 00:33:40,236 It looked like it came out of a swamp 688 00:33:40,238 --> 00:33:42,671 because, like, things were hanging off of it. 689 00:33:42,673 --> 00:33:44,039 It's very dark. 690 00:33:44,041 --> 00:33:46,575 Um, you know, it has, like, a head and arms and stuff, 691 00:33:46,577 --> 00:33:48,577 but it's, like, different. 692 00:33:48,579 --> 00:33:51,647 Well, Amy and her son Jerrick 693 00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:54,633 see this shadow figure all the time. 694 00:33:54,635 --> 00:33:57,153 And it does move in the hallway, back and forth, 695 00:33:57,155 --> 00:33:58,854 back and forth, back and forth. 696 00:33:58,856 --> 00:34:00,206 Do you ever hear the banging on the door? 697 00:34:00,208 --> 00:34:01,974 Yes. Our doors will slam. 698 00:34:01,976 --> 00:34:03,809 We'll hear doorknobs rattle, 699 00:34:03,811 --> 00:34:08,197 and I've seen it standing beside my bed at night 700 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,566 almost, like, towering over me. 701 00:34:13,137 --> 00:34:15,204 And you saw the same thing? 702 00:34:15,206 --> 00:34:16,272 Yeah. I just saw... 703 00:34:16,274 --> 00:34:18,324 It was just jet black. 704 00:34:18,326 --> 00:34:20,042 But what scared me the most 705 00:34:20,044 --> 00:34:22,111 is, you can see right through its eyes. 706 00:34:22,113 --> 00:34:25,214 - Oh. - Distinctive. 707 00:34:25,216 --> 00:34:26,549 And what else can this thing do? 708 00:34:26,551 --> 00:34:33,222 What I saw in the smaller bedroom, 709 00:34:33,224 --> 00:34:35,752 so I'm assuming your younger son's bedroom. 710 00:34:35,777 --> 00:34:36,442 Mm-hmm. 711 00:34:36,444 --> 00:34:38,861 When he's asleep 712 00:34:38,863 --> 00:34:42,164 is when it has its interactions with him. 713 00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:47,336 And it was putting its hand into his face. 714 00:34:47,338 --> 00:34:50,656 [Sighs] 715 00:34:50,658 --> 00:34:52,491 He won't sleep in his room. 716 00:34:52,493 --> 00:34:54,810 He is scared to death of his room. 717 00:34:54,812 --> 00:34:58,214 Matthias is autistic, as well. 718 00:34:58,216 --> 00:35:02,051 Unfortunately, the influence of this thing is, 719 00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:06,322 people being prone to anger and rage, bursts of it. 720 00:35:06,324 --> 00:35:12,161 So it'll pick a person, uh, for you to get angry at. 721 00:35:12,163 --> 00:35:14,363 You bicker now like you never did before. 722 00:35:14,365 --> 00:35:15,898 - Right. - Unfortunately, yeah. 723 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,633 We love each other a lot, 724 00:35:17,635 --> 00:35:20,419 but we have arguments about things 725 00:35:20,421 --> 00:35:23,506 that never would have become an argument before. 726 00:35:23,508 --> 00:35:25,090 Jerrick's mood has changed, right? 727 00:35:25,092 --> 00:35:26,342 His personality a little bit? 728 00:35:26,344 --> 00:35:28,344 He has less of a tolerance. 729 00:35:28,346 --> 00:35:29,845 With his brother being autistic, 730 00:35:29,847 --> 00:35:32,097 he's quick to get more irritable with him. 731 00:35:32,099 --> 00:35:33,816 Okay. 732 00:35:33,818 --> 00:35:35,184 Interesting. 733 00:35:35,186 --> 00:35:37,820 One incident that I saw in the main... 734 00:35:37,822 --> 00:35:39,071 the master bedroom, 735 00:35:39,073 --> 00:35:43,459 uh, was of an encounter with a female. 736 00:35:43,461 --> 00:35:45,127 I feel her neck hurts. 737 00:35:45,129 --> 00:35:48,163 Like, her spine in her neck, you know? 738 00:35:48,165 --> 00:35:50,900 Then, it, like, slams her. 739 00:35:53,437 --> 00:35:54,570 Tell her what happened. 740 00:35:54,572 --> 00:35:56,155 One second, I was writing. 741 00:35:56,157 --> 00:35:58,657 The next second, I wake up on the floor. 742 00:35:58,659 --> 00:35:59,909 I had been unconscious. 743 00:35:59,911 --> 00:36:02,511 I had hit my head and sustained a concussion. 744 00:36:02,513 --> 00:36:06,098 But where I landed was so far away from where I was sitting 745 00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,901 that it wasn't like I simply passed out 746 00:36:08,903 --> 00:36:10,252 and fell out of my chair. 747 00:36:10,254 --> 00:36:13,038 And they did have to put me in a cervical collar. 748 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,624 I was up in the air about it being paranormal. 749 00:36:15,626 --> 00:36:18,594 Yeah, I don't think you believed it. 750 00:36:18,596 --> 00:36:20,563 Is that something this thing could do? 751 00:36:20,565 --> 00:36:24,366 Oh, yeah. I think so, yeah. 752 00:36:24,368 --> 00:36:28,337 The place where it made me really, really nervous 753 00:36:28,339 --> 00:36:30,306 was in the middle bedroom. 754 00:36:30,308 --> 00:36:32,241 That's Jerrick's room. 755 00:36:32,243 --> 00:36:36,245 What I felt was, like, a hand around your throat. 756 00:36:36,247 --> 00:36:38,964 It was, like, a pressure, like, on my neck 757 00:36:38,966 --> 00:36:41,951 and then a pressure, like, on my chest. 758 00:36:41,953 --> 00:36:46,121 I did have a sketch done of that. 759 00:36:53,864 --> 00:36:55,598 Ah, geez. 760 00:36:58,052 --> 00:36:59,835 I'm sorry. 761 00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:07,443 [Sniffles] 762 00:37:07,944 --> 00:37:09,533 _ 763 00:37:22,568 --> 00:37:26,269 I did have a sketch done of that. 764 00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:35,845 STEVE: Ah, geez. 765 00:37:38,033 --> 00:37:39,049 I'm sorry. 766 00:37:43,255 --> 00:37:44,521 [Sniffles] 767 00:37:44,545 --> 00:37:47,444 _ 768 00:37:54,266 --> 00:37:56,700 Okay. Sorry. 769 00:37:56,702 --> 00:38:00,136 No, don't be sorry. It's your son. 770 00:38:00,138 --> 00:38:03,423 Has he ever relayed that kind of feeling to you? 771 00:38:03,425 --> 00:38:08,211 He wakes up feeling awful almost every day. 772 00:38:08,213 --> 00:38:09,646 He did convey to me, 773 00:38:09,648 --> 00:38:11,348 when I interviewed him that, uh, he was sitting on the bed, 774 00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:13,099 watching TV. 775 00:38:13,101 --> 00:38:15,001 And it felt like a man's hand 776 00:38:15,003 --> 00:38:17,487 had slapped him right across the thigh. 777 00:38:17,489 --> 00:38:19,973 That would be similar... along the lines of... 778 00:38:19,975 --> 00:38:22,025 of what this thing can do. 779 00:38:24,196 --> 00:38:25,929 I don't want that to happen to Jerrick. 780 00:38:25,931 --> 00:38:28,798 I don't want it to happen to anybody in this house, 781 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,352 but I didn't expect to see something like that. 782 00:38:32,354 --> 00:38:34,104 STEVE: What does this thing want? 783 00:38:34,106 --> 00:38:38,758 It has a real disdain for your son. 784 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,511 It definitely wants to harm him... 785 00:38:43,081 --> 00:38:44,781 without a doubt. 786 00:38:49,554 --> 00:38:51,888 Amy, remember when you told me that whatever is here 787 00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:53,690 is evil and doesn't want you or the kids here? 788 00:38:53,692 --> 00:38:55,275 - Yes. - Well, unfortunately, 789 00:38:55,277 --> 00:38:56,860 you were right. 790 00:38:56,862 --> 00:38:59,429 Now, the big question is, can you get rid of this thing, 791 00:38:59,431 --> 00:39:01,881 protect your kids, and live the life that you guys 792 00:39:01,883 --> 00:39:03,583 want to live here as a family? 793 00:39:03,585 --> 00:39:05,869 So, for that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to Amy. 794 00:39:07,939 --> 00:39:12,676 Well, this case is cause for concern. 795 00:39:12,678 --> 00:39:14,310 So, basically, 796 00:39:14,312 --> 00:39:16,830 what we have is an environment that has created 797 00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:20,917 a semi-functioning PK manifestation. 798 00:39:20,919 --> 00:39:22,686 What it did, seemingly, 799 00:39:22,688 --> 00:39:26,089 was, over time, the house absorbed personalities, 800 00:39:26,091 --> 00:39:30,110 situations, memories, things that it witnessed 801 00:39:30,112 --> 00:39:35,498 and then, eventually, spit out an entity. 802 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,618 Now, usually, PKs are formed by people. 803 00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:42,706 This is the first time I've seen one formed by a house. 804 00:39:42,708 --> 00:39:45,041 And the reason it's become so active 805 00:39:45,043 --> 00:39:50,046 since you've moved in is your son. 806 00:39:50,048 --> 00:39:53,216 I believe he has PK abilities. 807 00:39:53,218 --> 00:39:55,285 [Sighs] 808 00:39:57,439 --> 00:40:00,657 I think that, because there was already 809 00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:04,060 a semi-functioning PK manifestation here 810 00:40:04,062 --> 00:40:05,979 and he came in, 811 00:40:05,981 --> 00:40:09,115 it was the perfect storm. 812 00:40:09,117 --> 00:40:13,069 And I think that he really needs help. 813 00:40:15,741 --> 00:40:18,074 I knew something bad was going on here. 814 00:40:18,076 --> 00:40:20,443 I knew something did not want us here. 815 00:40:22,514 --> 00:40:26,783 Well, the problem is that there's not a lot 816 00:40:26,785 --> 00:40:29,919 that can be done about this. 817 00:40:29,921 --> 00:40:34,290 But if you take him away from this location, 818 00:40:34,292 --> 00:40:38,294 any attacks would cease. 819 00:40:38,296 --> 00:40:43,366 But this thing will still exist here, which is unfortunate. 820 00:40:43,368 --> 00:40:44,434 But in the interim, 821 00:40:44,436 --> 00:40:46,102 - Jerrick's not safe. - No. 822 00:40:46,104 --> 00:40:48,838 And you guys aren't safe. 823 00:40:52,194 --> 00:40:55,361 Honestly, I would leave. 824 00:40:55,363 --> 00:40:57,247 AMY: When a PK is formed by people, 825 00:40:57,249 --> 00:40:59,582 there are things they can do to protect themselves. 826 00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:02,118 But, in this case, when it's formed by the house, 827 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,656 there are only two options... tear it down or get out. 828 00:41:06,658 --> 00:41:10,310 I've already been assaulted twice, I feel. 829 00:41:10,312 --> 00:41:13,062 And seeing what's happened to my son, 830 00:41:13,064 --> 00:41:14,647 they're both gonna be sleeping with me 831 00:41:14,649 --> 00:41:18,501 until we can figure out a way to get out of here. 832 00:41:18,503 --> 00:41:21,321 That's gonna be something that we'll have to talk about. 833 00:41:21,323 --> 00:41:24,741 No. 834 00:41:24,743 --> 00:41:27,010 I'm their mom. My job's to protect them. 835 00:41:27,012 --> 00:41:30,380 It's just not a chance I'm willing to take. 836 00:41:30,382 --> 00:41:34,184 - Okay. - It's just the way it is. 837 00:41:34,186 --> 00:41:36,186 So, it sounds like your wife already made up her mind. 838 00:41:36,188 --> 00:41:38,471 PHIL: Yeah. It's a shock. 839 00:41:38,473 --> 00:41:40,390 We knew something was going on... 840 00:41:40,392 --> 00:41:44,260 - Right... - but not to this extent. 841 00:41:46,248 --> 00:41:48,515 Yeah. We'll be... We'll be leaving. 842 00:41:48,517 --> 00:41:50,033 Okay. 843 00:41:50,035 --> 00:41:52,235 AMY: It breaks my heart to tell Amy and Phil 844 00:41:52,237 --> 00:41:54,587 that I believe they should leave their home. 845 00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:56,172 But if they don't, I fear this house 846 00:41:56,174 --> 00:41:58,274 and the PK manifestation it's created 847 00:41:58,276 --> 00:42:01,511 could put them and their children in serious danger. 848 00:42:01,561 --> 00:42:06,111 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 63766

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