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Then the house spit out this entity.
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There was a silhouette, just all black,
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- standing in the doorway.
- Ow.
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Her face had been bludgeoned
till she was unrecognizable.
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This thing does not
[bleep] like this person.
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I need to know that my family is safe.
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This person's in trouble.
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It's saying, "I'm gonna make you pay."
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my God.
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This is going to kill us.
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I'm in Delaware, Ohio,
about 35 minutes north of Columbus.
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I got a call from a newlywed mother of two
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who just moved into her new husband's home.
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You would think this would be
the happiest time of her life,
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but she says she's in a living hell.
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She's convinced the house is haunted
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and that her and her two
kids are in serious danger.
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She practically begged me
and Amy to come out here,
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and I'm hoping we can help her out.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I clear the house of
any leading information.
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Once family photos,
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religious and personal items
are covered or removed,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: I'm having problems with this lady
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'cause she feels like it's
hell for her to be here.
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But I think she had money and nice things,
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but her husband made
them move here to farm,
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and things did not go well.
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She thought that the land was bad.
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Then, she says she is gonna give
him a taste of his own medicine.
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STEVE: Amy, you sounded
really bad on the phone
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as far as the activity here.
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What's happening?
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Well, I moved here about four months ago,
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with my two children, after I got married.
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And it's escalated to the
point where it's pure hell
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living here.
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It's just not what I expected
from being newly married.
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Did you guys buy this place together?
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- What happened?
- We did not.
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Phil actually purchased this house,
um, a few months
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before we met a couple years ago.
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Okay. So, who exactly lives in the house?
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I have a picture here.
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Um, this is my husband, Phil, and myself.
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There is my older child, Jerrick.
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He's 15.
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My younger child, Matthias,
who is on the autism spectrum,
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he is 10. So, Amy,
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what kind of things are you
guys experiencing in the house?
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We have, um, heard things.
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Doors will open and close on their own.
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We have seen shadows and apparitions.
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And it's even escalated to the point
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where people have been touched.
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I need to know that my family is safe,
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and I'm not sure that's the case right now.
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Is everybody in the house
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having the same amount of experiences?
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I personally feel like I
have a lot of experiences.
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My older son, Jerrick,
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has had quite a bit of the
bulk of experiences, as well.
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Okay. How's he handling all this?
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Not very well.
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He's... He's incredibly frustrated.
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Um, at times, he gets angry.
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Wants it to stop,
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and, quite frankly, if it doesn't stop,
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- he doesn't want to live here.
- Really?
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I have, at times,
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shouted at whatever this
is in a very loud voice.
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I've just told it that my God
is a lot stronger than you.
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Did it stop for a little bit?
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I think I made it more angry.
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I feel like it's evil
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and definitely does not
want me and my kids here.
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This woman is complaining
about her mother-in-law.
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So, this older woman,
she hates the daughter-in-law.
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She didn't take care of her family.
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She didn't take pride in the family.
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What I'm seeing, um,
in these rooms and stuff... mm...
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doesn't look like this place.
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- Okay.
- Um, she's freaking out now.
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It's like she's all hyper now.
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It's making me anxious.
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Oh!
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I saw her looking like a corpse.
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This is a really,
really creepy place down here.
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I don't like to come down here.
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- Neither does anyone else.
- Okay.
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So, why are you creeped out by it?
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You constantly feel like
you're being watched.
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So, right now, you have that feeling?
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- Yes.
- Anything else?
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Well, the... the most terrifying experience
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was when I was pushed down
the stairs quite forcefully.
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Okay. So, how hard did you get pushed?
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Pretty hard, because, I mean, it sent me...
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Here. Just hit me.
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No, no. Just hit my chest.
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Show me. Like that.
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With both hands, or was it just one?
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Yeah. I mean, it was forceful enough
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to send me flying down into the wall.
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- I'm scared now...
- Yeah.
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'Cause I don't know if
it's gonna happen again.
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There are two people running down there,
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and they're yelling, and they're scared.
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Yeah, they're all...
bunch of people cowering in the corner.
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How many?
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10 to 15.
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They're all balled up,
hunched down, and like that.
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I think that people would
feel uncomfortable here.
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They would feel, uh, fear, uh,
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but it's from these people.
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STEVE: Okay. So, what's going on in here?
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I have seen a shadow figure
standing right beside of my bed,
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looking down at me.
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He was tall.
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I'm gonna guess close to 6'.
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Couldn't give you distinct facial features
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other than he was very thin.
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Was it dark in the room?
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There was just enough light that...
that you could see.
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Did you sleep the rest of the night?
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Off and on.
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I didn't sleep very well,
and I haven't really ever since.
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What the [bleep]
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[Sighs] I don't like it up here.
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I don't feel good up here.
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Something runs around...
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something dark, fast.
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Something's dripping off of it.
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- Can people see it, too?
- Oh, yeah.
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This is the thing that
they're encountering big-time.
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They can't sleep.
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They're having, like,
apparently out-of-body experiences.
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[Breathes sharply]
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It's making me nervous and panicky,
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and it touches people.
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They, uh... They can feel it.
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It gives you, like, the chills.
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[Breathes deeply]
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Now, has anything else
happened to you up here?
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Yes. In my office next door,
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- I was typing at my computer.
- Okay.
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And the next minute,
I was on the floor screaming,
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and my son had called
911 because I had fallen.
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The chair landed on top of me,
and I was unconscious briefly.
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What the hell happened?
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It's almost as if my chair was
flipped over with me in it,
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is... is kind of how it looked and felt.
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Have you ever experienced
fainting spells in the past?
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Yes.
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But you don't think this is that?
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You think it's paranormal?
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I do think it's paranormal.
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I had no warning.
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I didn't feel weird that day.
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Everything was fine,
and it was with enough force
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that I landed across the room
with my head into the wall.
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I don't know that I'm so convinced
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that that's paranormal,
but I think we'll figure it out.
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Okay.
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Have you thought about leaving?
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If they're in danger... I mean,
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I would move tonight if...
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if I thought my kids were not safe.
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This thing is here most
of the time in this room.
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This woman with, like, light hair...
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Like, is she being grabbed?
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She can feel it.
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Being grabbed in the
back of the neck, hard.
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Like, I feel her neck hurts.
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Like, her spine in her neck, you know?
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Then, it, like, slams her forward
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so she's, like, sitting,
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and it just goes...
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Like, all of a sudden, she's just like...
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Oh, my God.
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Ah.
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STEVE: Now, Phil, when I talked to Amy,
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she was talking about
how you bought this place
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before you guys even met.
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- Mm-hmm.
- Okay.
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So, how long were you here
before she actually moved in?
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About 2 1/2 years.
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So, did you notice anything
unusual when you first moved in?
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Honestly, I never really saw
much in those 2 1/2 years.
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After Amy and the kids moved in, um, I...
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it just... Things escalated from there.
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- What happened?
- One night, I was sleeping.
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And around 3:30 in the morning,
I just was restless.
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And I kind of rolled over
and looked over my shoulder,
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and in the doorway was a...
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like, a silhouette, just all black,
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standing in the doorway.
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I stared at it for about five seconds.
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The eyes were clear.
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Everything else was black.
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And, after five seconds,
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I looked away, looked
back, and it was gone.
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- That's when I was convinced.
- Okay.
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So, have you experienced anything else?
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Doors opening and closing.
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I'd be downstairs,
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and you would hear one of the
bedroom door's latch click.
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And then, it would pause for a second.
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Then, you'd hear it closed again.
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And you can go up and press the doors,
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and they're locked.
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So, you've gone up to investigate?
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- Absolutely.
- Okay.
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Are you sure the kids ain't up there?
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Positive.
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Amy's gonna do her walk,
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and she may say, "Listen,
you need to move from here."
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How... How would you feel about that?
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- I love the house.
- Right.
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But I love my wife and kids a lot more.
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This thing causes a lot of anxiety.
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It's almost like, if the doors were closed,
this thing would,
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like, run back and forth and,
like, slam into the door,
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trying to get in.
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They hear it.
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It, like...
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can go into people's bodies a little bit,
257
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and it definitely takes
energy away from people.
258
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And then, it... it makes them do things.
259
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Like what?
260
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Picks people for the
person to get angry at.
261
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So it's not, like, a generalized anger.
262
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It's specific.
263
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Like, it plants very specific thoughts.
264
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Like, "You're gonna get
angry at this person."
265
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Somehow, it's associated with the house.
266
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I see it, like, pulling things
from the past and eating it.
267
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STEVE: Jerrick, how old are you?
268
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JERRICK: 15.
269
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So, I was talking to Mom and Phil.
270
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Seems like things are pretty bad here.
271
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Yeah, our attitudes change a lot.
272
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I'll be just sitting down,
just having a great day.
273
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And then, out of nowhere,
I'll just be angry
274
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and just get angry at
the world for no reason.
275
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And it's just... It's really weird.
276
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Anything else?
277
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I'm a firm believer that
there's three shadow figures
278
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in this house... a taller one,
279
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big, black, probably about
5'10" to, like, 6' tall,
280
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and two shorter ones, more childlike.
281
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Where do you see that?
282
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You'll see it out of the
corner of your eye.
283
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You'll see something,
284
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like, smaller peeking around
the corner of the stairs at you.
285
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I mean, how are you dealing with this?
286
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I don't sleep well.
287
00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:47,970
If something happens,
I'll either ignore it or...
288
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I'm not usually really
quick to challenge it
289
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because I don't like challenging things
290
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that I can't fight back to,
291
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- 'cause I can't see them.
- Anything else?
292
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One time, I was sitting up in my room,
watching TV,
293
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and something came over
294
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and just slammed its hand down on my leg,
295
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with more force than that.
296
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What do you think is here?
297
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I feel that whatever's in this house
298
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doesn't really like people
who are devout Christians.
299
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Whoo!
300
00:14:15,699 --> 00:14:19,034
This thing does not
[bleep] like this person
301
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and, like, is, like, choking them bad.
302
00:14:22,273 --> 00:14:24,807
Like, holy [bleep]
303
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Like, cannot breathe.
304
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This is very focused, which is strange
305
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because this thing doesn't
have one consciousness.
306
00:14:35,319 --> 00:14:38,587
This person is somehow triggering something
307
00:14:38,589 --> 00:14:39,955
in this thing
308
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that's making it want to
kill this [bleep] person.
309
00:14:46,263 --> 00:14:48,530
- So it could?
- Yeah.
310
00:14:48,532 --> 00:14:53,602
I-I don't know how that hasn't happened.
311
00:14:53,604 --> 00:14:55,704
Ooh, it's so bad.
312
00:14:55,706 --> 00:14:57,773
This person's in trouble.
313
00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,475
[Bell tolling]
314
00:15:14,579 --> 00:15:16,645
Phil and Amy don't have
a clue about the history
315
00:15:16,647 --> 00:15:18,214
of their property,
316
00:15:18,216 --> 00:15:21,033
so I reached out to
several local historians.
317
00:15:21,035 --> 00:15:23,436
I just got a call back from a genealogist.
318
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He tells me the original owners
of their land ended up broke,
319
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alone, and insane.
320
00:15:34,632 --> 00:15:35,798
STEVE: Russ, you mentioned on the phone
321
00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,501
that the original owners
of my clients' land
322
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had a pretty tough time there
323
00:15:40,004 --> 00:15:41,370
and that they actually went insane.
324
00:15:41,372 --> 00:15:43,389
- Is that right?
- Yes, they did.
325
00:15:43,391 --> 00:15:44,740
There were two gentlemen.
326
00:15:44,742 --> 00:15:47,309
There was a prominent Pittsburgh
judge named Henry Baldwin.
327
00:15:47,311 --> 00:15:49,311
And I have a picture of Baldwin here.
328
00:15:49,313 --> 00:15:52,047
He inherited the property,
about 16,000 acres...
329
00:15:52,049 --> 00:15:53,849
- Okay...
- in about 1807,
330
00:15:53,851 --> 00:15:55,551
but he didn't want to come to Delaware.
331
00:15:55,553 --> 00:15:58,671
So he hired Moses Bixby
to manage the property.
332
00:15:58,673 --> 00:16:01,207
He was a local businessman
in the Delaware area.
333
00:16:01,209 --> 00:16:04,226
A year later,
Henry Baldwin sold Bixby the land.
334
00:16:04,228 --> 00:16:05,428
How does it go for him?
335
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:08,097
In 1816, his daughter Lucy
336
00:16:08,099 --> 00:16:10,599
dies of unknown causes at the age of 27.
337
00:16:10,601 --> 00:16:13,369
1821, his wife, also named Lucy...
338
00:16:13,371 --> 00:16:16,005
She dies at the age of 61.
339
00:16:16,007 --> 00:16:17,173
Okay.
340
00:16:17,175 --> 00:16:19,241
So Bixby suffered a lot
during his time there.
341
00:16:19,243 --> 00:16:21,811
But you said the two
original owners went insane.
342
00:16:21,813 --> 00:16:24,196
Who went crazy first... Bixby or Baldwin?
343
00:16:24,198 --> 00:16:25,648
Baldwin.
344
00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:27,967
Actually,
he was appointed to Congress in 1822.
345
00:16:27,969 --> 00:16:29,635
Shortly after taking his seat,
346
00:16:29,637 --> 00:16:32,354
he steps down because of mental illness.
347
00:16:32,356 --> 00:16:34,173
He ends up coming back to Delaware,
348
00:16:34,175 --> 00:16:36,258
and he's wanting his property back.
349
00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:38,461
The property that he sold to Bixby?
350
00:16:38,463 --> 00:16:39,462
- Correct, yes.
- All right.
351
00:16:39,464 --> 00:16:40,513
So, what does he do?
352
00:16:40,515 --> 00:16:42,097
He ends up taking Bixby to court.
353
00:16:42,099 --> 00:16:43,933
Bixby does win the case
354
00:16:43,935 --> 00:16:47,586
because Baldwin did sell him the property.
355
00:16:47,588 --> 00:16:51,574
Even though Bixby won the case,
it took a big toll on him.
356
00:16:51,576 --> 00:16:55,344
Later on that year, he is declared insane,
357
00:16:55,346 --> 00:16:58,214
and the state legislature
appoints guardians to keep him.
358
00:16:58,216 --> 00:17:01,784
Here's an article to that effect.
359
00:17:01,786 --> 00:17:04,286
Okay. So now, he's being watched
by these state guardians.
360
00:17:04,288 --> 00:17:06,272
- How does it go?
- It doesn't go well.
361
00:17:06,274 --> 00:17:10,109
Two years later, in 1826,
Bixby escapes the house
362
00:17:10,111 --> 00:17:12,194
and runs into the Olentangy River,
363
00:17:12,196 --> 00:17:14,213
and he dies a few days later of pneumonia.
364
00:17:14,215 --> 00:17:15,998
And here's his obit.
365
00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,603
All right. So, we see
how it ends for Bixby.
366
00:17:20,605 --> 00:17:21,971
What about Baldwin?
367
00:17:21,973 --> 00:17:23,606
It doesn't go well for him either.
368
00:17:23,608 --> 00:17:25,608
He ends up dying penniless and alone
369
00:17:25,610 --> 00:17:27,510
in a hotel in Philadelphia.
370
00:17:33,084 --> 00:17:37,820
I think this thing makes people act funny.
371
00:17:37,822 --> 00:17:40,523
So, what is this thing exactly?
372
00:17:40,525 --> 00:17:42,791
It's from the house.
373
00:17:42,793 --> 00:17:46,462
Over time, the house collected
all of these energies
374
00:17:46,464 --> 00:17:48,113
from people.
375
00:17:48,115 --> 00:17:49,532
Maybe the land was bad.
376
00:17:49,534 --> 00:17:51,400
And then, this, you know,
377
00:17:51,402 --> 00:17:55,304
collected that negative
energy from living people.
378
00:17:55,306 --> 00:18:00,042
And then, the house, like,
spit out this, like, entity.
379
00:18:02,246 --> 00:18:04,213
Like, almost like PK?
380
00:18:04,215 --> 00:18:06,081
Something like that.
381
00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:10,352
PK or entities created by
psychokinesis are very powerful
382
00:18:10,354 --> 00:18:12,821
and can physically
influence their environment.
383
00:18:12,823 --> 00:18:14,523
What's freaking me out about this one
384
00:18:14,525 --> 00:18:17,776
is that it was created by the
house instead of a person,
385
00:18:17,778 --> 00:18:21,530
and that's something
I've never seen before.
386
00:18:21,532 --> 00:18:24,300
It's definitely getting stronger, um,
387
00:18:24,302 --> 00:18:26,402
so that makes me concerned.
388
00:18:29,774 --> 00:18:31,106
STEVE: So far, I've got clients
389
00:18:31,108 --> 00:18:33,809
that have been physically
assaulted by unseen forces
390
00:18:33,811 --> 00:18:36,512
and two former property
owners who went insane.
391
00:18:36,514 --> 00:18:38,180
But I've still got to see
if there's anything else
392
00:18:38,182 --> 00:18:41,016
that could help my case.
393
00:18:41,018 --> 00:18:43,218
Searching through old records,
I find a woman
394
00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:47,056
who killed her husband
during a forced baptism
395
00:18:47,058 --> 00:18:48,991
right next to Amy and Phil's property.
396
00:18:52,246 --> 00:18:54,096
Heading over to meet with a local pastor
397
00:18:54,098 --> 00:18:56,131
who agreed to look into this case for me.
398
00:19:02,857 --> 00:19:04,106
STEVE: Jason, thanks for meeting me.
399
00:19:04,108 --> 00:19:05,574
I appreciate it. In all my time
400
00:19:05,576 --> 00:19:07,376
on the police department
and working homicides,
401
00:19:07,378 --> 00:19:12,498
I never had a case involving
a murder with baptism.
402
00:19:12,500 --> 00:19:14,083
And the reason I'm interested in his death
403
00:19:14,085 --> 00:19:16,251
is because it happened right
near my client's property.
404
00:19:16,253 --> 00:19:18,020
So, what do you know about this guy?
405
00:19:18,022 --> 00:19:19,371
William McCoy.
406
00:19:19,373 --> 00:19:22,825
He joined the National Guard
right before World War I,
407
00:19:22,827 --> 00:19:24,126
so it'd be 1917.
408
00:19:24,128 --> 00:19:26,629
He ended up going to Europe and serving.
409
00:19:26,631 --> 00:19:28,130
And while he was there,
410
00:19:28,132 --> 00:19:29,248
his battalion,
411
00:19:29,250 --> 00:19:32,868
or his squad,
got bombed by the Germans with gas.
412
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:35,537
And he ended up having to come back.
413
00:19:35,539 --> 00:19:37,456
He was honorably discharged,
414
00:19:37,458 --> 00:19:40,309
and because of the damage to his lungs,
415
00:19:40,311 --> 00:19:42,244
tuberculosis sets in.
416
00:19:42,246 --> 00:19:43,545
Okay. So, what happens?
417
00:19:43,547 --> 00:19:46,799
He ends up actually meeting a lady,
Bertha Wilson.
418
00:19:46,801 --> 00:19:48,417
This is Bertha.
419
00:19:48,419 --> 00:19:52,021
And I guess they fell in love,
and they get married.
420
00:19:52,023 --> 00:19:56,592
By 1925, McCoy's lungs
have deteriorated so badly
421
00:19:56,594 --> 00:19:59,294
that he's being treated at
this hospital in Dayton,
422
00:19:59,296 --> 00:20:01,930
and they basically send him home to die.
423
00:20:01,932 --> 00:20:03,399
Okay.
424
00:20:03,401 --> 00:20:07,369
And they send him, basically,
to his foster parents' house
425
00:20:07,371 --> 00:20:08,737
here in Delaware.
426
00:20:08,739 --> 00:20:13,242
They called in a local Grace
Methodist Episcopal pastor
427
00:20:13,244 --> 00:20:15,678
to baptize him,
428
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,180
but he does it by pouring or sprinkling.
429
00:20:18,182 --> 00:20:20,916
Bertha demands a different type of baptism.
430
00:20:20,918 --> 00:20:22,217
The only way in her eyes
431
00:20:22,219 --> 00:20:25,554
that he could truly know that
his soul was gonna be saved
432
00:20:25,556 --> 00:20:28,991
is if he was immersed in full baptism.
433
00:20:28,993 --> 00:20:30,926
She calls in this Reverend Pennell.
434
00:20:30,928 --> 00:20:33,145
They pull him off of his deathbed
435
00:20:33,147 --> 00:20:35,964
and immerse him in the water.
436
00:20:35,966 --> 00:20:39,001
He died very soon after the immersion.
437
00:20:39,003 --> 00:20:40,035
Okay.
438
00:20:40,037 --> 00:20:43,372
This is his death certificate.
439
00:20:43,374 --> 00:20:45,724
Now, was she ever officially charged?
440
00:20:45,726 --> 00:20:46,725
No.
441
00:20:46,727 --> 00:20:48,610
There's never charges filed.
442
00:20:48,612 --> 00:20:50,879
Mainly, the sheriff and so forth said,
443
00:20:50,881 --> 00:20:53,849
"Hey, he was gonna die in hours,
444
00:20:53,851 --> 00:20:55,350
or days at the most."
445
00:20:55,352 --> 00:20:59,088
Now, how did this sit
with the foster parents?
446
00:20:59,090 --> 00:21:01,457
Well, I mean, they were opposed to it.
447
00:21:01,459 --> 00:21:02,841
They were opposed to the immersion.
448
00:21:02,843 --> 00:21:04,960
They... They didn't want that to happen.
449
00:21:08,165 --> 00:21:10,949
I'm seeing the angry young woman again.
450
00:21:10,951 --> 00:21:16,455
She told me it was 1910, 1915, and 1925...
451
00:21:16,457 --> 00:21:20,509
were very important years for her.
452
00:21:20,511 --> 00:21:25,631
She and the mother-in-law... You know,
they had issues.
453
00:21:25,633 --> 00:21:27,316
They butted heads.
454
00:21:27,318 --> 00:21:29,768
The daughter-in-law didn't
want to be here anymore,
455
00:21:29,770 --> 00:21:32,821
and she didn't want to live that life.
456
00:21:32,823 --> 00:21:37,059
I think she did, you know,
some pretty bad stuff.
457
00:21:37,061 --> 00:21:40,763
She's blaming the land for her actions
458
00:21:40,765 --> 00:21:43,365
and how she became.
459
00:21:43,367 --> 00:21:48,654
Maybe that the land brings
out the worst in people
460
00:21:48,656 --> 00:21:52,224
is kind of, I think,
what she's trying to say.
461
00:21:52,226 --> 00:21:54,359
So, yeah, I think it's her husband,
and I think...
462
00:21:54,361 --> 00:21:55,394
I think she killed him.
463
00:22:13,022 --> 00:22:15,156
STEVE: I never know how wide Amy will open,
464
00:22:15,158 --> 00:22:18,893
so I look into the property and
the surrounding neighborhood.
465
00:22:18,895 --> 00:22:21,596
Now, during my research,
one thing caught my eye...
466
00:22:21,598 --> 00:22:24,365
a teenage kid who brutally
murdered his girlfriend
467
00:22:24,367 --> 00:22:27,451
right near Amy and Phil's property.
468
00:22:27,453 --> 00:22:29,620
I'm heading over to meet with
a Delaware police captain
469
00:22:29,622 --> 00:22:31,939
who said that killer is now a free man.
470
00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,318
STEVE: So, Captain, the reason
I asked you to help me out is,
471
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,954
I found that article about
a homicide back in '53.
472
00:22:46,956 --> 00:22:48,589
Involved a young girl, uh,
473
00:22:48,591 --> 00:22:49,857
who was murdered less than a mile
474
00:22:49,859 --> 00:22:51,192
from my clients' property.
475
00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:53,744
What do you know about the
victim in the case itself?
476
00:22:53,746 --> 00:22:57,265
Well, she was a former
Ohio Wesleyan student.
477
00:22:57,267 --> 00:22:59,300
Her name was Cynthia Pfeil,
478
00:22:59,302 --> 00:23:02,370
and she was 18 years old.
479
00:23:02,372 --> 00:23:04,071
STEVE: Okay.
480
00:23:04,073 --> 00:23:06,307
ADAM: The gentleman that
murdered her and was convicted
481
00:23:06,309 --> 00:23:11,679
of her murder was a gentleman
by the name of Roy Schinagle.
482
00:23:11,681 --> 00:23:13,381
STEVE: What was their relationship?
483
00:23:13,383 --> 00:23:18,019
They had, uh,
dated for approximately two years.
484
00:23:18,021 --> 00:23:19,670
So, how does the murder take place?
485
00:23:19,672 --> 00:23:21,389
- What happens?
- Well, what we know is,
486
00:23:21,391 --> 00:23:24,308
on September 16, 1953,
487
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:28,195
Cynthia's lifeless body was found along
"a lonely road,"
488
00:23:28,197 --> 00:23:30,248
I believe, is the way it was referred to.
489
00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:31,616
Okay.
490
00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:35,336
Her body showed that she had
been strangled or choked.
491
00:23:35,338 --> 00:23:37,972
Her face had been
bludgeoned to such an extent
492
00:23:37,974 --> 00:23:41,375
that she was unrecognizable.
493
00:23:41,377 --> 00:23:43,511
Wow.
494
00:23:43,513 --> 00:23:46,047
He, uh, confessed to the crime,
495
00:23:46,049 --> 00:23:48,916
that he had choked her
and also bludgeoned her.
496
00:23:48,918 --> 00:23:51,736
So, was she choked to death,
and then he beats her?
497
00:23:51,738 --> 00:23:53,588
I mean, do we have any idea what happened?
498
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:55,690
We really don't know for sure,
499
00:23:55,692 --> 00:23:56,857
but it's been surmised
500
00:23:56,859 --> 00:24:00,411
that he possibly bludgeoned
her at that point
501
00:24:00,413 --> 00:24:02,763
to prevent her from being recognized.
502
00:24:02,765 --> 00:24:04,632
And we don't know what the motive was?
503
00:24:04,634 --> 00:24:05,766
Right.
504
00:24:05,768 --> 00:24:08,686
It was reported that Roy
and her had an argument.
505
00:24:08,688 --> 00:24:09,870
I believe he's quoted
506
00:24:09,872 --> 00:24:12,206
as referring to it as a
"silly little thing"
507
00:24:12,208 --> 00:24:13,507
they argued over.
508
00:24:13,509 --> 00:24:14,675
All right. So, now, what happens?
509
00:24:14,677 --> 00:24:16,811
He gives the confession.
510
00:24:16,813 --> 00:24:18,980
He was indicted for a
first-degree murder trial
511
00:24:18,982 --> 00:24:20,948
and found guilty of second-degree murder
512
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:24,085
on October 24, 1953.
513
00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:26,420
He served 10 years and was paroled.
514
00:24:26,422 --> 00:24:29,607
That's extraordinary
how quick that happened.
515
00:24:29,609 --> 00:24:30,691
Yes.
516
00:24:30,693 --> 00:24:32,693
Mr. Schinagle is... is alive.
517
00:24:32,695 --> 00:24:34,362
He's 81 years old,
518
00:24:34,364 --> 00:24:38,916
and he's still living somewhere in...
in the state.
519
00:24:45,775 --> 00:24:47,642
Something happened.
520
00:24:47,644 --> 00:24:50,945
Um... I don't know.
521
00:24:54,617 --> 00:24:57,518
I just see some chick getting beat up.
522
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,353
Mm.
523
00:24:59,355 --> 00:25:01,422
She's just getting hit in the head.
524
00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:05,042
The brunette...
The brunette gets knocked down.
525
00:25:05,044 --> 00:25:06,627
She blacked out.
526
00:25:06,629 --> 00:25:09,163
Doesn't even know what
[bleep] hit her, you know?
527
00:25:09,165 --> 00:25:10,665
But, like, there's a male.
528
00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:12,566
She knows this guy. She knows this guy.
529
00:25:12,568 --> 00:25:15,169
I don't know how old they are.
530
00:25:15,171 --> 00:25:16,170
I don't know.
531
00:25:16,172 --> 00:25:19,040
Probably between [bleep]
532
00:25:19,042 --> 00:25:21,275
I don't know, 17 to 20s.
533
00:25:21,277 --> 00:25:23,611
- I don't know.
- Okay.
534
00:25:23,613 --> 00:25:26,931
Feeling choked.
535
00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:28,683
Like, pressure on my neck.
536
00:25:31,387 --> 00:25:37,191
I hear a male voice saying,
537
00:25:37,193 --> 00:25:41,896
"I'm gonna make you pay."
538
00:25:44,467 --> 00:25:47,868
And then, I hear "[bleep]"
539
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:49,637
Oh, my God.
540
00:25:59,382 --> 00:26:00,498
During my walk,
541
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,918
I saw a dead young woman
who was extremely angry.
542
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,419
I'm meeting with a sketch artist
543
00:26:05,421 --> 00:26:09,040
to describe how she appeared in life.
544
00:26:09,042 --> 00:26:13,310
She's probably about 17 years old.
545
00:26:13,312 --> 00:26:16,247
Her eyes are deep-set,
546
00:26:16,249 --> 00:26:20,735
and she has pretty thick eyebrows.
547
00:26:20,737 --> 00:26:23,003
Next, I described a living person
548
00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:26,006
being attacked by this thing.
549
00:26:26,008 --> 00:26:30,077
It looks like it came out of a swamp.
550
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:35,616
It was, like,
putting its hand over the person's face.
551
00:26:35,618 --> 00:26:38,786
And it was putting the other hand,
like, here.
552
00:26:44,927 --> 00:26:46,694
Is this what you saw?
553
00:26:50,416 --> 00:26:52,900
Yes, that's what I saw.
554
00:27:13,151 --> 00:27:16,352
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
555
00:27:16,354 --> 00:27:17,653
we're ready to reveal our findings
556
00:27:17,655 --> 00:27:21,491
to each other and our
clients for the first time.
557
00:27:21,493 --> 00:27:24,694
Amy, I want you to meet Phil and Amy.
558
00:27:24,696 --> 00:27:26,846
They're newlyweds,
but their life's been anything
559
00:27:26,848 --> 00:27:28,264
but a honeymoon.
560
00:27:28,266 --> 00:27:30,666
Now, Amy moved in here
about four months ago
561
00:27:30,668 --> 00:27:31,934
with her two kids.
562
00:27:31,936 --> 00:27:34,871
And this is a photo of
the whole family here.
563
00:27:34,873 --> 00:27:37,707
- This is Jerrick, who's 15...
- AMY: Oh. Okay.
564
00:27:37,709 --> 00:27:39,792
And Matthias, who is 10.
565
00:27:39,794 --> 00:27:42,979
The weird thing is that until
Amy moved in here with the kids,
566
00:27:42,981 --> 00:27:44,947
the place was relatively quiet.
567
00:27:44,949 --> 00:27:47,233
And then, all hell broke loose.
568
00:27:47,235 --> 00:27:48,785
Amy's very religious,
569
00:27:48,787 --> 00:27:52,288
and her priorities in
life are God and her kids,
570
00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:53,956
but she doesn't think
either one of those things
571
00:27:53,958 --> 00:27:55,958
are welcome here.
572
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,761
So, now that Amy knows a little
bit about your family dynamics,
573
00:27:58,763 --> 00:28:00,730
I'm gonna ask her to
tell us about her walk.
574
00:28:03,334 --> 00:28:04,934
So, the first person that I met
575
00:28:04,936 --> 00:28:06,869
was a female who was telling me
576
00:28:06,871 --> 00:28:12,191
how she felt like this was
hell for her to be here.
577
00:28:12,193 --> 00:28:14,677
She looked nice.
578
00:28:14,679 --> 00:28:19,899
A very well-dressed, uh,
attractive woman, young.
579
00:28:19,901 --> 00:28:23,986
Her husband made her come here,
580
00:28:23,988 --> 00:28:26,773
and it was all, like, dirt.
581
00:28:26,775 --> 00:28:32,361
Her mother-in-law was here,
and they did not get along.
582
00:28:32,363 --> 00:28:34,030
The younger lady
583
00:28:34,032 --> 00:28:38,534
was talking about how she was really pissed
584
00:28:38,536 --> 00:28:40,420
that her husband brought her here,
585
00:28:40,422 --> 00:28:43,072
that she couldn't be fancy anymore.
586
00:28:43,074 --> 00:28:45,775
And then, she was saying how she was gonna,
587
00:28:45,777 --> 00:28:48,945
uh, give him a taste of his own medicine.
588
00:28:48,947 --> 00:28:55,418
I kind of thought that
maybe she killed him.
589
00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:57,653
She gave me three very specific years...
590
00:28:57,655 --> 00:29:01,224
1910, 1915, and 1925.
591
00:29:01,226 --> 00:29:05,561
She said that these were
very important years for her.
592
00:29:05,563 --> 00:29:08,097
I got an idea who you
might be talking about.
593
00:29:08,099 --> 00:29:11,367
Now, you said the young woman
mentioned 1910, 1915, 1925.
594
00:29:11,369 --> 00:29:15,188
Yes. Well,
I don't know anything about 1910 or 1915,
595
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:18,541
but 1925 is definitely significant.
596
00:29:18,543 --> 00:29:20,843
That year, an incredibly strange death
597
00:29:20,845 --> 00:29:22,245
took place next to your property.
598
00:29:22,247 --> 00:29:25,848
In the early 1920s,
a woman from here named Bertha Wilson
599
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:29,519
married a World War I vet,
this guy, William McCoy.
600
00:29:29,521 --> 00:29:33,523
McCoy winded up getting gassed
by the Germans in World War I
601
00:29:33,525 --> 00:29:35,091
and developed TB from it.
602
00:29:35,093 --> 00:29:38,794
In 1925, his condition got really bad.
603
00:29:38,796 --> 00:29:40,530
He was sent home to basically die,
604
00:29:40,532 --> 00:29:43,616
and he was sent home to his foster parents,
605
00:29:43,618 --> 00:29:45,701
who lived right next door.
606
00:29:45,703 --> 00:29:47,470
Because he only had days to live,
his parents
607
00:29:47,472 --> 00:29:50,056
had a Methodist minister come
in and do a baptism for him...
608
00:29:50,058 --> 00:29:52,942
what they call a sprinkling.
609
00:29:52,944 --> 00:29:55,211
But Bertha,
610
00:29:55,213 --> 00:29:58,614
she wanted her husband to be
baptized in a full submersion.
611
00:29:58,616 --> 00:30:01,350
Problem was,
his foster parents were against that
612
00:30:01,352 --> 00:30:03,753
because his health was so bad.
613
00:30:03,755 --> 00:30:08,925
Despite the arguing between
Bertha and McCoy's parents,
614
00:30:08,927 --> 00:30:10,459
on April 9, 1925,
615
00:30:10,461 --> 00:30:14,564
she hired a minister to come
in and perform this baptism.
616
00:30:14,566 --> 00:30:18,751
And within minutes after him
going into this tub of water,
617
00:30:18,753 --> 00:30:21,120
he dies.
618
00:30:21,122 --> 00:30:22,371
Now, according to the death certificate,
619
00:30:22,373 --> 00:30:25,308
they say he dies from tuberculosis.
620
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:26,893
Now, I got a newspaper article here
621
00:30:26,895 --> 00:30:30,680
that shows there was a coroner's inquest,
622
00:30:30,682 --> 00:30:36,068
and they put the blame on
Bertha and the minister.
623
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:37,853
Bertha was never charged.
624
00:30:37,855 --> 00:30:40,223
I guess they were thinking
he was gonna die anyway,
625
00:30:40,225 --> 00:30:42,058
but they never charge her.
626
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,493
I've got a photo of her.
627
00:30:44,495 --> 00:30:48,231
This is her. This is Bertha Wilson.
628
00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:50,516
Huh.
629
00:30:50,518 --> 00:30:52,301
Is it possible that might
be the woman you saw?
630
00:30:52,303 --> 00:30:56,556
Well, I-I did have a sketch done of her.
631
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,397
Looks like her.
632
00:31:06,751 --> 00:31:09,201
Mm-hmm. You can definitely...
633
00:31:09,203 --> 00:31:11,454
Even the eyebrows and everything
kind of looks the same.
634
00:31:11,456 --> 00:31:12,705
PHIL: The brows, definitely.
635
00:31:12,707 --> 00:31:15,558
So, this lady's in my house.
636
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,326
Yes.
637
00:31:19,397 --> 00:31:22,298
Is it possible she's doing bad things now?
638
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,133
Yeah.
639
00:31:24,135 --> 00:31:25,768
Well, she kept showing me horrible things
640
00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,937
she did throughout her life.
641
00:31:27,939 --> 00:31:29,839
She was a sociopath.
642
00:31:31,943 --> 00:31:33,843
STEVE: Anything else?
643
00:31:33,845 --> 00:31:35,778
Then, I went into the basement,
644
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:37,780
and there were these two people
645
00:31:37,782 --> 00:31:42,451
that ran past me down the stairs.
646
00:31:42,453 --> 00:31:44,487
And finally, when I got down in there,
647
00:31:44,489 --> 00:31:48,591
I saw the group of people that were,
like, hunched down.
648
00:31:48,593 --> 00:31:53,462
As far as the living picking
up on this would be, you know,
649
00:31:53,464 --> 00:31:59,135
these transient feelings of extreme fear,
uh, panic,
650
00:31:59,137 --> 00:32:00,970
or anxiety.
651
00:32:00,972 --> 00:32:02,104
You hate the basement.
652
00:32:02,106 --> 00:32:03,506
Mm-hmm.
653
00:32:03,508 --> 00:32:07,293
When I go down there,
I don't ever feel like I'm alone.
654
00:32:07,295 --> 00:32:09,178
I feel like there's someone watching.
655
00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:10,846
Did you say something before about...
656
00:32:10,848 --> 00:32:12,932
At the top of the stairs,
people went past you?
657
00:32:12,934 --> 00:32:15,051
- Yeah.
- Tell Amy what happened.
658
00:32:15,053 --> 00:32:17,003
I was going down the stairs
659
00:32:17,005 --> 00:32:21,524
and went flying completely down the stairs,
660
00:32:21,526 --> 00:32:24,377
felt like I was bumped or pushed...
661
00:32:24,379 --> 00:32:27,063
- Okay...
- and landed up against the wall,
662
00:32:27,065 --> 00:32:30,383
and I laid there and
screamed for several minutes.
663
00:32:30,385 --> 00:32:32,968
Now, with all the stuff that's
going on in the basement,
664
00:32:32,970 --> 00:32:34,403
could that have caused her fall?
665
00:32:34,405 --> 00:32:37,423
Actually, I think it could be the woman.
666
00:32:37,425 --> 00:32:41,143
I just feel like it's something
she would be capable of.
667
00:32:41,145 --> 00:32:43,679
It explains a lot of things.
668
00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:45,047
See, what I don't get is,
669
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:47,616
you're very devout. Right.
670
00:32:47,618 --> 00:32:51,103
This woman, in my opinion,
was a zealot, but...
671
00:32:51,105 --> 00:32:53,823
I don't think that she was a good person.
672
00:32:53,825 --> 00:32:55,057
It actually scares me
673
00:32:55,059 --> 00:32:58,828
'cause I don't know what
else she's capable of doing.
674
00:32:58,830 --> 00:33:01,297
Is she gonna start targeting my kids?
675
00:33:03,401 --> 00:33:04,567
So, what else happened?
676
00:33:04,569 --> 00:33:05,735
Did you stay in the basement?
677
00:33:05,737 --> 00:33:06,769
No.
678
00:33:06,771 --> 00:33:08,087
So, I went upstairs,
679
00:33:08,089 --> 00:33:13,142
and actually, everything kind of changed.
680
00:33:13,144 --> 00:33:15,344
It was not good.
681
00:33:15,346 --> 00:33:20,783
There was this very bizarre
thing that I was seeing.
682
00:33:20,785 --> 00:33:23,719
This thing is very physical.
683
00:33:23,721 --> 00:33:25,287
One of the things I saw it doing
684
00:33:25,289 --> 00:33:28,474
was moving very quickly in the hallway area
685
00:33:28,476 --> 00:33:33,879
and, uh, touch on the doors,
you know, bang them.
686
00:33:33,881 --> 00:33:37,333
I think that people would hear this.
687
00:33:37,335 --> 00:33:40,236
It looked like it came out of a swamp
688
00:33:40,238 --> 00:33:42,671
because, like,
things were hanging off of it.
689
00:33:42,673 --> 00:33:44,039
It's very dark.
690
00:33:44,041 --> 00:33:46,575
Um, you know, it has, like,
a head and arms and stuff,
691
00:33:46,577 --> 00:33:48,577
but it's, like, different.
692
00:33:48,579 --> 00:33:51,647
Well, Amy and her son Jerrick
693
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:54,633
see this shadow figure all the time.
694
00:33:54,635 --> 00:33:57,153
And it does move in the hallway,
back and forth,
695
00:33:57,155 --> 00:33:58,854
back and forth, back and forth.
696
00:33:58,856 --> 00:34:00,206
Do you ever hear the banging on the door?
697
00:34:00,208 --> 00:34:01,974
Yes. Our doors will slam.
698
00:34:01,976 --> 00:34:03,809
We'll hear doorknobs rattle,
699
00:34:03,811 --> 00:34:08,197
and I've seen it standing
beside my bed at night
700
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,566
almost, like, towering over me.
701
00:34:13,137 --> 00:34:15,204
And you saw the same thing?
702
00:34:15,206 --> 00:34:16,272
Yeah. I just saw...
703
00:34:16,274 --> 00:34:18,324
It was just jet black.
704
00:34:18,326 --> 00:34:20,042
But what scared me the most
705
00:34:20,044 --> 00:34:22,111
is, you can see right through its eyes.
706
00:34:22,113 --> 00:34:25,214
- Oh.
- Distinctive.
707
00:34:25,216 --> 00:34:26,549
And what else can this thing do?
708
00:34:26,551 --> 00:34:33,222
What I saw in the smaller bedroom,
709
00:34:33,224 --> 00:34:35,752
so I'm assuming your
younger son's bedroom.
710
00:34:35,777 --> 00:34:36,442
Mm-hmm.
711
00:34:36,444 --> 00:34:38,861
When he's asleep
712
00:34:38,863 --> 00:34:42,164
is when it has its interactions with him.
713
00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:47,336
And it was putting its hand into his face.
714
00:34:47,338 --> 00:34:50,656
[Sighs]
715
00:34:50,658 --> 00:34:52,491
He won't sleep in his room.
716
00:34:52,493 --> 00:34:54,810
He is scared to death of his room.
717
00:34:54,812 --> 00:34:58,214
Matthias is autistic, as well.
718
00:34:58,216 --> 00:35:02,051
Unfortunately,
the influence of this thing is,
719
00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:06,322
people being prone to anger and rage,
bursts of it.
720
00:35:06,324 --> 00:35:12,161
So it'll pick a person, uh,
for you to get angry at.
721
00:35:12,163 --> 00:35:14,363
You bicker now like you never did before.
722
00:35:14,365 --> 00:35:15,898
- Right.
- Unfortunately, yeah.
723
00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:17,633
We love each other a lot,
724
00:35:17,635 --> 00:35:20,419
but we have arguments about things
725
00:35:20,421 --> 00:35:23,506
that never would have
become an argument before.
726
00:35:23,508 --> 00:35:25,090
Jerrick's mood has changed, right?
727
00:35:25,092 --> 00:35:26,342
His personality a little bit?
728
00:35:26,344 --> 00:35:28,344
He has less of a tolerance.
729
00:35:28,346 --> 00:35:29,845
With his brother being autistic,
730
00:35:29,847 --> 00:35:32,097
he's quick to get more irritable with him.
731
00:35:32,099 --> 00:35:33,816
Okay.
732
00:35:33,818 --> 00:35:35,184
Interesting.
733
00:35:35,186 --> 00:35:37,820
One incident that I saw in the main...
734
00:35:37,822 --> 00:35:39,071
the master bedroom,
735
00:35:39,073 --> 00:35:43,459
uh, was of an encounter with a female.
736
00:35:43,461 --> 00:35:45,127
I feel her neck hurts.
737
00:35:45,129 --> 00:35:48,163
Like, her spine in her neck, you know?
738
00:35:48,165 --> 00:35:50,900
Then, it, like, slams her.
739
00:35:53,437 --> 00:35:54,570
Tell her what happened.
740
00:35:54,572 --> 00:35:56,155
One second, I was writing.
741
00:35:56,157 --> 00:35:58,657
The next second, I wake up on the floor.
742
00:35:58,659 --> 00:35:59,909
I had been unconscious.
743
00:35:59,911 --> 00:36:02,511
I had hit my head and
sustained a concussion.
744
00:36:02,513 --> 00:36:06,098
But where I landed was so far
away from where I was sitting
745
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:08,901
that it wasn't like I simply passed out
746
00:36:08,903 --> 00:36:10,252
and fell out of my chair.
747
00:36:10,254 --> 00:36:13,038
And they did have to put
me in a cervical collar.
748
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,624
I was up in the air about
it being paranormal.
749
00:36:15,626 --> 00:36:18,594
Yeah, I don't think you believed it.
750
00:36:18,596 --> 00:36:20,563
Is that something this thing could do?
751
00:36:20,565 --> 00:36:24,366
Oh, yeah. I think so, yeah.
752
00:36:24,368 --> 00:36:28,337
The place where it made me really,
really nervous
753
00:36:28,339 --> 00:36:30,306
was in the middle bedroom.
754
00:36:30,308 --> 00:36:32,241
That's Jerrick's room.
755
00:36:32,243 --> 00:36:36,245
What I felt was, like,
a hand around your throat.
756
00:36:36,247 --> 00:36:38,964
It was, like, a pressure, like, on my neck
757
00:36:38,966 --> 00:36:41,951
and then a pressure, like, on my chest.
758
00:36:41,953 --> 00:36:46,121
I did have a sketch done of that.
759
00:36:53,864 --> 00:36:55,598
Ah, geez.
760
00:36:58,052 --> 00:36:59,835
I'm sorry.
761
00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:07,443
[Sniffles]
762
00:37:07,944 --> 00:37:09,533
_
763
00:37:22,568 --> 00:37:26,269
I did have a sketch done of that.
764
00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:35,845
STEVE: Ah, geez.
765
00:37:38,033 --> 00:37:39,049
I'm sorry.
766
00:37:43,255 --> 00:37:44,521
[Sniffles]
767
00:37:44,545 --> 00:37:47,444
_
768
00:37:54,266 --> 00:37:56,700
Okay. Sorry.
769
00:37:56,702 --> 00:38:00,136
No, don't be sorry. It's your son.
770
00:38:00,138 --> 00:38:03,423
Has he ever relayed that
kind of feeling to you?
771
00:38:03,425 --> 00:38:08,211
He wakes up feeling awful almost every day.
772
00:38:08,213 --> 00:38:09,646
He did convey to me,
773
00:38:09,648 --> 00:38:11,348
when I interviewed him that,
uh, he was sitting on the bed,
774
00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:13,099
watching TV.
775
00:38:13,101 --> 00:38:15,001
And it felt like a man's hand
776
00:38:15,003 --> 00:38:17,487
had slapped him right across the thigh.
777
00:38:17,489 --> 00:38:19,973
That would be similar...
along the lines of...
778
00:38:19,975 --> 00:38:22,025
of what this thing can do.
779
00:38:24,196 --> 00:38:25,929
I don't want that to happen to Jerrick.
780
00:38:25,931 --> 00:38:28,798
I don't want it to happen
to anybody in this house,
781
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,352
but I didn't expect to
see something like that.
782
00:38:32,354 --> 00:38:34,104
STEVE: What does this thing want?
783
00:38:34,106 --> 00:38:38,758
It has a real disdain for your son.
784
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,511
It definitely wants to harm him...
785
00:38:43,081 --> 00:38:44,781
without a doubt.
786
00:38:49,554 --> 00:38:51,888
Amy, remember when you told
me that whatever is here
787
00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:53,690
is evil and doesn't want
you or the kids here?
788
00:38:53,692 --> 00:38:55,275
- Yes.
- Well, unfortunately,
789
00:38:55,277 --> 00:38:56,860
you were right.
790
00:38:56,862 --> 00:38:59,429
Now, the big question is,
can you get rid of this thing,
791
00:38:59,431 --> 00:39:01,881
protect your kids,
and live the life that you guys
792
00:39:01,883 --> 00:39:03,583
want to live here as a family?
793
00:39:03,585 --> 00:39:05,869
So, for that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
794
00:39:07,939 --> 00:39:12,676
Well, this case is cause for concern.
795
00:39:12,678 --> 00:39:14,310
So, basically,
796
00:39:14,312 --> 00:39:16,830
what we have is an
environment that has created
797
00:39:16,832 --> 00:39:20,917
a semi-functioning PK manifestation.
798
00:39:20,919 --> 00:39:22,686
What it did, seemingly,
799
00:39:22,688 --> 00:39:26,089
was, over time,
the house absorbed personalities,
800
00:39:26,091 --> 00:39:30,110
situations, memories,
things that it witnessed
801
00:39:30,112 --> 00:39:35,498
and then, eventually, spit out an entity.
802
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,618
Now, usually, PKs are formed by people.
803
00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:42,706
This is the first time I've
seen one formed by a house.
804
00:39:42,708 --> 00:39:45,041
And the reason it's become so active
805
00:39:45,043 --> 00:39:50,046
since you've moved in is your son.
806
00:39:50,048 --> 00:39:53,216
I believe he has PK abilities.
807
00:39:53,218 --> 00:39:55,285
[Sighs]
808
00:39:57,439 --> 00:40:00,657
I think that, because there was already
809
00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:04,060
a semi-functioning PK manifestation here
810
00:40:04,062 --> 00:40:05,979
and he came in,
811
00:40:05,981 --> 00:40:09,115
it was the perfect storm.
812
00:40:09,117 --> 00:40:13,069
And I think that he really needs help.
813
00:40:15,741 --> 00:40:18,074
I knew something bad was going on here.
814
00:40:18,076 --> 00:40:20,443
I knew something did not want us here.
815
00:40:22,514 --> 00:40:26,783
Well, the problem is that there's not a lot
816
00:40:26,785 --> 00:40:29,919
that can be done about this.
817
00:40:29,921 --> 00:40:34,290
But if you take him away
from this location,
818
00:40:34,292 --> 00:40:38,294
any attacks would cease.
819
00:40:38,296 --> 00:40:43,366
But this thing will still exist here,
which is unfortunate.
820
00:40:43,368 --> 00:40:44,434
But in the interim,
821
00:40:44,436 --> 00:40:46,102
- Jerrick's not safe.
- No.
822
00:40:46,104 --> 00:40:48,838
And you guys aren't safe.
823
00:40:52,194 --> 00:40:55,361
Honestly, I would leave.
824
00:40:55,363 --> 00:40:57,247
AMY: When a PK is formed by people,
825
00:40:57,249 --> 00:40:59,582
there are things they can
do to protect themselves.
826
00:40:59,584 --> 00:41:02,118
But, in this case,
when it's formed by the house,
827
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,656
there are only two options...
tear it down or get out.
828
00:41:06,658 --> 00:41:10,310
I've already been assaulted twice, I feel.
829
00:41:10,312 --> 00:41:13,062
And seeing what's happened to my son,
830
00:41:13,064 --> 00:41:14,647
they're both gonna be sleeping with me
831
00:41:14,649 --> 00:41:18,501
until we can figure out
a way to get out of here.
832
00:41:18,503 --> 00:41:21,321
That's gonna be something
that we'll have to talk about.
833
00:41:21,323 --> 00:41:24,741
No.
834
00:41:24,743 --> 00:41:27,010
I'm their mom. My job's to protect them.
835
00:41:27,012 --> 00:41:30,380
It's just not a chance I'm willing to take.
836
00:41:30,382 --> 00:41:34,184
- Okay.
- It's just the way it is.
837
00:41:34,186 --> 00:41:36,186
So, it sounds like your wife
already made up her mind.
838
00:41:36,188 --> 00:41:38,471
PHIL: Yeah. It's a shock.
839
00:41:38,473 --> 00:41:40,390
We knew something was going on...
840
00:41:40,392 --> 00:41:44,260
- Right...
- but not to this extent.
841
00:41:46,248 --> 00:41:48,515
Yeah. We'll be... We'll be leaving.
842
00:41:48,517 --> 00:41:50,033
Okay.
843
00:41:50,035 --> 00:41:52,235
AMY: It breaks my heart
to tell Amy and Phil
844
00:41:52,237 --> 00:41:54,587
that I believe they
should leave their home.
845
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:56,172
But if they don't, I fear this house
846
00:41:56,174 --> 00:41:58,274
and the PK manifestation it's created
847
00:41:58,276 --> 00:42:01,511
could put them and their
children in serious danger.
848
00:42:01,561 --> 00:42:06,111
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