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AMY: They're just messing with her...
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touching her and manhandling her.
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I've seen... we call it the shadow man.
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He definitely pushes the living away.
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I've got a bone-chilling fear
for the safety of our kids.
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This room is bad, bad.
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I feel like there's evil in here.
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Why the [bleep] is he torturing this girl?
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Something bad's going to happen.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's panic.
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And it's almost like a butchering.
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I see dead people.
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They all died horribly.
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I speak to dead people.
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Get out of here.
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And they speak to me.
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Vicious.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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It doesn't matter where you are.
I'll find you.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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This guy's a real piece of work.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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I feel like I live in a house of Hell.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This is not good.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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Until the very end...
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I want my life back.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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- Is he trying to kill her?
- [Sobs]
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Or time to get out.
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Oh, my God.
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This is going to kill us.
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I'm down here in Macon, Georgia.
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Amy and I got called in
by a guy named Jeff.
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He says his entire
family's being terrorized
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by activity in the house,
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but he's most concerned
about his youngest daughter,
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who's being physically attacked
and can barely sleep at night.
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Now, he's a man of faith,
and he tried prayer,
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but it seems to be getting worse.
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He told me we were his last hope.
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MATTHEW: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for anything that
can influence her findings.
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Family photos and other personal items
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need to be covered or removed.
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When I'm finished,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: Coming up, my body wanted to run...
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like an instinct, you know,
when you're being hunted.
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I definitely get that
there's a lot of chaos
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going on around here.
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It's extremely distracting.
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I feel extremely ill...
really bad... and very painful.
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It's bad.
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STEVE: When we spoke on the phone,
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it sounded like you were at your wits' end.
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Last couple of years,
it's been hell to live here.
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What are you and your family going through?
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We're talking about anywhere
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from footsteps to shadow figures...
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Okay.
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To hitting, scratching.
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Who all lives in the house?
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It's myself, my wife,
Tami, Jessica, my child,
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and my son, Hunter.
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You mentioned that you
were really concerned
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about your youngest daughter.
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Correct.
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We've just always been
real protective of her,
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and she seems to be the one
that mostly gets attacked.
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And, of course,
she's coming downstairs to us, crying.
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There's no way for me to protect her.
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All you can do is hold her and
tell her it'll be all right,
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although you don't know.
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That would drive me crazy.
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It hurts.
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The house looks pretty new.
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How long have you guys been here?
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We've been here 23 years... '91.
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We built the house.
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Did you guys have experiences
from the beginning?
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Just mischievous stuff...
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nothing alarming, nothing frightening.
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Okay, so why are you calling us now?
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About a year and a half ago,
it started getting ugly.
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Have you guys tried anything
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to try to stop what's happening here?
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A lot of prayer, a lot of shared prayer.
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Nothing's helped.
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I can't physically protect my family.
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I need help.
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So, there's this older man here.
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He's talking about two bedrooms...
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two bedrooms that are important here.
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There's a male and a
female in these two rooms
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that are having the problems.
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But then there's this other guy who's,
like, younger.
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The younger guy is accusing
him of being abusive.
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There's a relationship there.
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I'm thinking father/son
or grandfather/grandson.
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There's a lot of anger and tension here,
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and it's a lot between these two men.
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It's completely unhealthy.
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It's very, very stressful.
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You know, you can really feel it.
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So, why'd you bring me
into the living room?
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This is where most of my
stuff has taken place.
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Like what?
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Me and my son came in the other afternoon.
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We were walking through the living room.
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The fireplace pokers started doing this,
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shaking all about.
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Did it stop?
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It stopped.
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We came back, walked back and forth,
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jumped all around in the room.
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It doesn't move.
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So we didn't do that.
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You guys didn't have a
violent storm or anything,
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with hard thunder, or anything like that?
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No, no.
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Anything else like that ever happen?
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- We came in from church one Sunday...
- Okay.
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The whole family together.
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This sofa's pulled out from the wall.
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The other sofa behind me is
pulled out from the wall.
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The recliner is turned around,
facing the window.
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And you definitely weren't broken into,
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and nothing was breached?
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Nothing moved.
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Nothing but those three items were moved.
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Hm.
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As far as in here,
I'm seeing movement issues.
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I am seeing leaving a room, and it's...
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something's set up...
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say the balls are set up
a certain way coming back
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and everything's...
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scattered.
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But I don't know who
the [bleep] is doing it.
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Nobody's copping to it.
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So, Tami,
I was talking to your husband, Jeff,
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about stuff that's going on in the house.
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Curious how you're handling things.
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TAMI: You know, it's just day to day.
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I've got just a bone-chilling fear
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for the safety of our kids at this point.
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And, Tami, when I talked to Jeff,
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he seemed to think that whatever's here's
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kind of picking on Jessica.
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Is that accurate?
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Oh, I would definitely agree with that.
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There's a lot more activity with Jessica
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that's a lot more physical.
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That's got to kill you, as a mom.
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It breaks my heart.
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You're constantly scared.
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You don't know what's gonna
happen next to your children.
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Now, what about yourself?
What about your experiences?
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Have you had any?
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I was sleeping on my
side of the bed one night
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and felt someone sit on
the side of the bed,
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and it was, like, someone heavy.
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I mean, you could feel the mattress go down
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to the point that it
pulled the covers tight
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on the bottom part of my leg.
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And you're sure it wasn't a dream?
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Positive it wasn't a dream.
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- Anything else?
- Yes.
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There is a presence in
this corner periodically.
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It's always in the corner,
by the gun cabinet.
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And you immediately know
you're being watched.
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What do you think this is?
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I have no idea, Steve.
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All I know is it's dangerous,
it's threatening,
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and it seems to be getting worse.
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This older man is definitely
causing people to be afraid.
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If they irritate him at all,
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he does creepy [bleep] to
kind of freak them out.
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What does he do to them?
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He'll come at night
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and, like, move around like a
big spider on the floor...
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on all fours.
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But they're seeing, like,
this dark thing, you know,
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moving around the floor and the room,
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going under the bed,
and this freaks people out.
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Or stand in the corner and watch people.
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It is creepy, and people do see,
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like, this black thing in the corner.
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Do you know what this old
man wants with the living?
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He wants to control them
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like he controlled the
people when he was alive.
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STEVE: So, Hunter,
I was talking to your parents,
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and they were telling me
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you're having a pretty tough time here.
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HUNTER: Yeah.
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I feel very unwanted in the house.
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Okay. What are you going through?
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I see... we call it the shadow man.
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I've seen it, you know,
20-plus times, easy.
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And it's most of the time
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right in between those windows right there.
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Is it possible that it's a shadow
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reflected from outside at all?
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I keep my blinds down.
They're blackout blinds.
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You can't see through them.
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Really?
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I know your sister's
going through some stuff.
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You and her discuss this.
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I try to keep it to myself, honestly.
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She's already on edge.
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You know, I've had probably
up to 10 calls from her...
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"Hey, are you in the house?"
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"No, I'm not even at the house."
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She said, "I'm the only one home.
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There's somebody in the house."
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It's definitely attracted to her,
for some reason,
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and I don't know why.
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AMY: I think the two bedrooms
the old man was talking about...
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they're upstairs.
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Mmm, there's a male here,
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and there's some kind of
bonding between this person
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and the female in the other room.
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There's something about the windows.
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Uh... I didn't like the windows.
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The female...
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This room is, like, bad, bad.
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STEVE: So, Jessica,
I was talking to Mom, Dad,
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and your brother, Hunter,
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and it seems like whatever's
here is kind of targeting you.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay, what are some of the
things that are happening?
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Well, a lot of times,
my drawers open by themselves.
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They just open, all of them.
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They're almost to the point
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where they're falling out of the dresser.
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- That far out?
- Yes.
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Is there anything else
moving around in the room.
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Well, I've actually seen
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what I thought was a man in my room.
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It was in front of my bed,
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and it was actually going
through my paperwork
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on my table.
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I heard the paper shuffling,
so that's why I woke up.
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I called out to him, and he didn't answer,
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so I turned to turn on the light,
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and I came back, and the papers were moved.
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They were open,
when originally they were closed.
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Okay.
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How are you sleeping at night?
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I do have nightmares all the time,
and I sleepwalk.
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Give me an example of what you're dreaming.
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I'd be outside.
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The sky was red,
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and everything had almost a red tint.
261
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Okay.
262
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People would be dancing.
263
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And then everyone would stop
and just turn their head
264
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like they were looking at something.
265
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But then I'd wake up,
266
00:12:42,658 --> 00:12:44,658
so I never saw what they were looking at.
267
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Okay.
268
00:12:49,313 --> 00:12:53,015
This female... she has horrible nightmares,
269
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horrible [bleep] nightmares...
270
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some she remembers, some she doesn't.
271
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Like,
I see her waking up outside the house like,
272
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"What the [bleep] What the [bleep]"
273
00:13:02,554 --> 00:13:06,306
But I don't know if
these are just nightmares
274
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that she's having.
275
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When she's having these experiences,
276
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I think there's another force here,
277
00:13:16,465 --> 00:13:21,534
and it's causing a lot
of physical phenomena.
278
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What the [bleep]
279
00:13:25,059 --> 00:13:27,109
What's going on?
280
00:13:27,115 --> 00:13:29,949
She does see the older man. He watches.
281
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He calls himself "The Watcher"
when all the [bleep] going on.
282
00:13:34,722 --> 00:13:36,488
Why the [bleep] is he torturing this girl?
283
00:13:40,457 --> 00:13:41,456
They'll touch me.
284
00:13:41,460 --> 00:13:43,093
I've been doing my hair before,
285
00:13:43,098 --> 00:13:47,050
and it just grabbed it right
here and just snatched it.
286
00:13:47,061 --> 00:13:50,396
And they were big fingers,
287
00:13:50,405 --> 00:13:52,455
so I felt like it was more of a man.
288
00:13:52,461 --> 00:13:53,877
Wow.
289
00:13:53,882 --> 00:13:55,382
From that point, it only got worse.
290
00:13:55,388 --> 00:13:59,456
At one point,
something actually laid down behind me.
291
00:13:59,466 --> 00:14:02,434
It almost felt like it was spooning.
292
00:14:02,443 --> 00:14:04,943
It had its head, like, on me.
293
00:14:04,950 --> 00:14:06,450
I mean, I was terrified.
294
00:14:06,455 --> 00:14:07,521
I couldn't move.
295
00:14:07,526 --> 00:14:08,691
I couldn't speak.
296
00:14:08,695 --> 00:14:10,028
I couldn't even cry.
297
00:14:10,033 --> 00:14:12,734
And then it finally just got up,
and I heard it walk out.
298
00:14:12,742 --> 00:14:16,744
And at that point, I just started crying.
299
00:14:16,755 --> 00:14:18,588
Like, I bawled my eyes out.
300
00:14:18,594 --> 00:14:20,561
Okay.
301
00:14:20,567 --> 00:14:22,900
And I've woken up with scratches.
302
00:14:22,907 --> 00:14:24,157
Okay.
303
00:14:24,162 --> 00:14:25,945
You guys have a cat, right?
304
00:14:25,950 --> 00:14:27,082
Oh, my cat's declawed.
305
00:14:28,274 --> 00:14:30,591
How often is that happening...
the scratches?
306
00:14:30,598 --> 00:14:33,065
The scratches only
happened like three times.
307
00:14:33,073 --> 00:14:34,205
Only three times?
308
00:14:34,209 --> 00:14:35,525
You hear what you're saying?
309
00:14:35,530 --> 00:14:36,996
I have a daughter 23 years old.
310
00:14:37,001 --> 00:14:39,302
I couldn't imagine her coming to me
311
00:14:39,309 --> 00:14:41,626
and telling me the stuff you're saying.
312
00:14:41,633 --> 00:14:44,000
That would kill me.
313
00:14:44,007 --> 00:14:47,742
I feel like there's evil in here.
314
00:14:47,752 --> 00:14:50,119
I want it to leave.
315
00:14:50,126 --> 00:14:52,159
I want our lives back.
316
00:14:53,621 --> 00:14:54,870
Okay.
317
00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,884
There's these little,
dark things, like children.
318
00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:05,200
They're black.
319
00:15:05,207 --> 00:15:11,478
They're around the bed
and touching her feet.
320
00:15:11,493 --> 00:15:12,993
They're climbing on the bed.
321
00:15:12,999 --> 00:15:14,798
They're climbing on her.
322
00:15:14,803 --> 00:15:17,671
They're incapacitating
her so she can't move.
323
00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,047
She can't yell. She can't do anything.
324
00:15:20,054 --> 00:15:23,756
She's like... [gasps]
325
00:15:23,766 --> 00:15:27,034
Like, the air gets sucked out.
326
00:15:27,043 --> 00:15:30,077
I feel uncomfortable.
327
00:15:30,085 --> 00:15:31,618
Oh [bleep]
328
00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:34,291
I'm getting chills. Okay, I'm freaking out.
329
00:15:47,088 --> 00:15:49,588
When I get to a new town,
I put my feelers out
330
00:15:49,595 --> 00:15:51,762
to cops, historians, local professors.
331
00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:53,435
In this case, it paid off.
332
00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:57,175
I'm on my way to meet
with a local genealogist
333
00:15:57,184 --> 00:15:59,984
who says all the early owners
of Jeff and Tami's property
334
00:15:59,992 --> 00:16:01,158
were slave owners.
335
00:16:01,162 --> 00:16:03,262
Now,
I don't know if it's gonna help my case,
336
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:05,770
but it's something I
definitely want to check out.
337
00:16:13,234 --> 00:16:14,877
So, Cecil, you mentioned on the phone
338
00:16:14,981 --> 00:16:16,431
that some of the early owners
339
00:16:16,436 --> 00:16:18,836
of the property I'm
investigating had slaves.
340
00:16:18,843 --> 00:16:19,926
CECIL: That's correct.
341
00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:21,179
Okay, what can you tell me about them?
342
00:16:21,184 --> 00:16:23,317
Well, the earliest guy
that we have recorded
343
00:16:23,324 --> 00:16:24,390
was named John Martin.
344
00:16:24,394 --> 00:16:26,945
He shows up in 1830 census.
345
00:16:26,953 --> 00:16:30,237
And it shows that he owned 33 slaves.
346
00:16:30,246 --> 00:16:31,245
33?
347
00:16:31,249 --> 00:16:32,382
33.
348
00:16:32,386 --> 00:16:35,971
He was a slave trader
for the area of Macon,
349
00:16:35,981 --> 00:16:37,864
as well as he was a farmer.
350
00:16:37,870 --> 00:16:39,552
I guess that would explain why so many.
351
00:16:39,557 --> 00:16:40,790
Yes.
352
00:16:40,794 --> 00:16:42,440
Okay, so, now,
how long does he have the property?
353
00:16:42,544 --> 00:16:45,230
Well,
we have record that he sold the property
354
00:16:45,336 --> 00:16:48,437
in 1837 to a guy named Alexander Hunt.
355
00:16:48,446 --> 00:16:49,779
Okay, so now he moves there.
356
00:16:49,784 --> 00:16:50,916
Is he a slave owner, too?
357
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,988
The 1850 census right here shows
358
00:16:53,997 --> 00:16:56,931
that Alexander has 38 slaves,
359
00:16:56,939 --> 00:16:59,106
so he has a few more than John Martin did.
360
00:16:59,113 --> 00:17:01,714
Wow. All right, so...
361
00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:04,021
for some reason,
this property has an abundance of slaves.
362
00:17:04,028 --> 00:17:05,761
Right.
363
00:17:11,603 --> 00:17:13,119
[Sighs]
364
00:17:13,124 --> 00:17:15,291
Okay, there's another man down here.
365
00:17:15,297 --> 00:17:18,164
He's got issues.
366
00:17:19,644 --> 00:17:23,213
He is very angry.
367
00:17:23,222 --> 00:17:25,122
Probably like six foot.
368
00:17:25,129 --> 00:17:26,461
He's a big guy,
369
00:17:26,465 --> 00:17:30,000
big, round dude... like, chubby and built.
370
00:17:30,010 --> 00:17:37,249
He's, like, sweating,
and he's really angry, and hot.
371
00:17:40,844 --> 00:17:42,844
He's very protective of his space.
372
00:17:42,851 --> 00:17:45,518
He doesn't really want
anybody else down here.
373
00:17:45,525 --> 00:17:49,227
So he definitely pushes the living away.
374
00:17:49,237 --> 00:17:53,072
People would feel him like a wall, like,
375
00:17:53,083 --> 00:17:56,051
coming up behind them, like,
just kind of pushing them out.
376
00:18:00,172 --> 00:18:02,606
The property's then sold to Joshua Harris.
377
00:18:02,613 --> 00:18:05,146
Okay, now, what about him,
as far as slaves go?
378
00:18:05,154 --> 00:18:06,854
According to the records,
he only has six slaves.
379
00:18:06,859 --> 00:18:08,893
Okay, so how's it go for Joshua?
380
00:18:08,900 --> 00:18:10,616
Everything seems to be going pretty well
381
00:18:10,621 --> 00:18:11,737
until the Civil War comes,
382
00:18:11,742 --> 00:18:13,842
and in 1862,
383
00:18:13,848 --> 00:18:15,581
one of his sons joins the Confederate Army.
384
00:18:15,587 --> 00:18:16,653
His name's James.
385
00:18:16,657 --> 00:18:17,756
Okay.
386
00:18:17,761 --> 00:18:19,510
Do we have any idea how old that kid was?
387
00:18:19,515 --> 00:18:20,665
James was 20.
388
00:18:20,670 --> 00:18:22,036
After he was in,
389
00:18:22,041 --> 00:18:23,507
just north of Atlanta, he was captured,
390
00:18:23,512 --> 00:18:24,744
and he was held prisoner of war.
391
00:18:24,749 --> 00:18:27,600
Joshua Harris had another son
392
00:18:27,608 --> 00:18:29,558
that was just a year younger,
named Franklin.
393
00:18:29,564 --> 00:18:30,763
Franklin, I would assume,
394
00:18:30,768 --> 00:18:32,335
did the same thing as his brother.
395
00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:33,739
No, Franklin did not join.
396
00:18:33,744 --> 00:18:35,477
Why not?
397
00:18:35,483 --> 00:18:37,366
I get the impression that
his dad encouraged him
398
00:18:37,372 --> 00:18:38,488
and wanted him to,
399
00:18:38,492 --> 00:18:39,825
but you know how sometimes children are...
400
00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:41,212
no matter what you ask them to do,
401
00:18:41,217 --> 00:18:42,333
they do just the opposite.
402
00:18:42,338 --> 00:18:44,672
There's always a rebellious
one in the crowd.
403
00:18:44,679 --> 00:18:46,278
So, now, the war ends.
404
00:18:46,283 --> 00:18:48,183
What happens with Joshua and the farm?
405
00:18:48,189 --> 00:18:50,189
Well,
Joshua was able to hold onto the property,
406
00:18:50,195 --> 00:18:51,928
whereas many landowners were not able to.
407
00:18:51,934 --> 00:18:54,435
Okay, so does he stay there,
or does he move on?
408
00:18:54,443 --> 00:18:58,278
He stays there until he dies
in 1895 at the age of 85.
409
00:18:58,288 --> 00:19:00,655
Okay, what happened to his son James?
410
00:19:00,662 --> 00:19:03,029
James is released as a prisoner of war
411
00:19:03,036 --> 00:19:04,669
when the war's over, and he comes back.
412
00:19:04,675 --> 00:19:08,277
What about the son, Franklin,
that never went off to war?
413
00:19:08,286 --> 00:19:11,420
Well, sometime after 1895,
after his dad's death,
414
00:19:11,429 --> 00:19:14,180
Franklin and two of the sisters leave,
415
00:19:14,188 --> 00:19:17,322
and we find record of
them in 1899 in Texas.
416
00:19:17,331 --> 00:19:20,583
Okay,
so did Franklin inherit any of the land?
417
00:19:20,592 --> 00:19:23,459
Either he wasn't left any,
or maybe he sold his part.
418
00:19:23,467 --> 00:19:25,033
Okay.
419
00:19:27,045 --> 00:19:32,115
I'm seeing the older and younger man again.
420
00:19:32,128 --> 00:19:34,529
And they're fighting.
421
00:19:34,536 --> 00:19:36,769
It's uncomfortable.
422
00:19:36,776 --> 00:19:38,709
That younger guy was saying
423
00:19:38,715 --> 00:19:44,152
that this older man was abusive,
physically abusive...
424
00:19:44,165 --> 00:19:46,966
you know,
that he was [bleep] torturing the family.
425
00:19:46,975 --> 00:19:49,342
[Man groans]
426
00:19:49,349 --> 00:19:52,217
He ruled with an iron fist.
427
00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:58,128
And I heard words, which was,
"father," "landowner," "slave."
428
00:19:58,143 --> 00:20:02,546
The younger man doesn't
have anything in common
429
00:20:02,557 --> 00:20:04,523
with this older man.
430
00:20:04,529 --> 00:20:05,729
He doesn't like him.
431
00:20:05,734 --> 00:20:07,467
There's a lot of anger
and resentment there.
432
00:20:07,473 --> 00:20:11,842
The older man's perspective
to the younger man,
433
00:20:11,853 --> 00:20:16,555
there's a sense of disappointment.
434
00:20:16,567 --> 00:20:19,869
And do you know if they have any kind
435
00:20:19,878 --> 00:20:22,745
of connection to this property?
436
00:20:22,753 --> 00:20:24,186
Definitely the land.
437
00:20:26,014 --> 00:20:28,848
The younger man just kept
talking about the land.
438
00:20:28,857 --> 00:20:33,910
He was talking about a massacre,
something about a war.
439
00:20:33,922 --> 00:20:38,257
He said that there were
a lot of innocent people.
440
00:20:38,269 --> 00:20:41,537
He also said something about murders.
441
00:20:41,546 --> 00:20:44,147
He said the dead weren't respected here.
442
00:20:57,718 --> 00:20:59,818
STEVE: So far,
I've got a family being terrorized
443
00:20:59,824 --> 00:21:01,123
by unexplained activity
444
00:21:01,128 --> 00:21:03,708
and a property that was
home to dozens of slaves.
445
00:21:05,001 --> 00:21:07,202
But I need to see if there's anything else
446
00:21:07,209 --> 00:21:08,408
that will help my case.
447
00:21:10,686 --> 00:21:12,887
Searching through old records,
I find a battle
448
00:21:12,894 --> 00:21:15,344
that broke out between Union
and Confederate soldiers
449
00:21:15,351 --> 00:21:17,034
right on my client's property.
450
00:21:20,050 --> 00:21:22,751
Obviously,
I need to know more about this fight,
451
00:21:22,758 --> 00:21:25,058
so I reached out to a
local Civil War expert
452
00:21:25,065 --> 00:21:26,598
who says it was a bloody battle
453
00:21:26,604 --> 00:21:29,171
and the information will
definitely help my case.
454
00:21:36,067 --> 00:21:38,018
STEVE: So, Michael,
why'd you want to meet here?
455
00:21:38,122 --> 00:21:41,282
Joshua Harris,
who owned your client's property
456
00:21:41,389 --> 00:21:42,855
during the American Civil War...
457
00:21:42,861 --> 00:21:44,261
- Yeah?
- is buried right here.
458
00:21:46,339 --> 00:21:49,239
And how close is this spot
to my client's property?
459
00:21:49,247 --> 00:21:51,615
Probably 800, 900 yards.
460
00:21:51,622 --> 00:21:52,787
Okay.
461
00:21:52,792 --> 00:21:54,342
Now, you mentioned on the phone
462
00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,863
that there was a bloody battle
463
00:21:55,869 --> 00:21:57,602
that took place right on the property.
464
00:21:57,607 --> 00:21:58,806
- Yes.
- What happened?
465
00:21:58,811 --> 00:22:01,812
Steve,
I'm sure you've heard of Sherman's March.
466
00:22:01,820 --> 00:22:03,286
I have.
467
00:22:03,292 --> 00:22:06,794
Troops moving from Atlanta to Savannah,
468
00:22:06,803 --> 00:22:10,538
wreaking havoc along the way...
tearing up rail road tracks,
469
00:22:10,548 --> 00:22:14,000
stealing crops, livestock, burning barns,
470
00:22:14,010 --> 00:22:16,093
things of military value.
471
00:22:16,099 --> 00:22:19,517
And this is a period
etching that an artist did
472
00:22:19,526 --> 00:22:22,243
depicting some of that destruction.
473
00:22:22,251 --> 00:22:26,404
The Confederates knew that
Sherman was approaching,
474
00:22:26,415 --> 00:22:28,715
so they sent various units out
475
00:22:28,722 --> 00:22:31,172
to establish defensive positions,
476
00:22:31,179 --> 00:22:32,846
one of them right here.
477
00:22:32,852 --> 00:22:35,352
Okay, so what happened?
478
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,760
On November 20, 1864,
479
00:22:37,768 --> 00:22:41,569
Sherman's cavalry came right
down this road out here.
480
00:22:41,579 --> 00:22:44,647
The Confederate troops were lying in wait
481
00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:47,122
in the heavily wooded area
on each side of the road
482
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:48,429
on your client's property.
483
00:22:48,434 --> 00:22:49,567
Okay.
484
00:22:49,571 --> 00:22:52,939
And as the first soldiers got close enough,
485
00:22:52,948 --> 00:22:54,781
the Confederates charged.
486
00:22:54,787 --> 00:22:56,120
Okay,
so they got attacked and ambushed here.
487
00:22:56,125 --> 00:22:57,324
Yes.
488
00:22:57,329 --> 00:23:00,931
And when the smoke of
battle began to dissipate,
489
00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:03,674
seven Confederates lay dead.
490
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,587
What about the Union side...
any casualties?
491
00:23:07,595 --> 00:23:10,045
The records do not tell
us that information,
492
00:23:10,052 --> 00:23:11,835
but it is certainly possible,
493
00:23:11,841 --> 00:23:16,777
and if we did have dead
Federal soldiers here,
494
00:23:16,790 --> 00:23:19,591
most likely, the Confederates would have
495
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:22,100
interred them in a mass grave.
496
00:23:22,107 --> 00:23:26,709
Steve, I think the real kicker,
for Harris in particular...
497
00:23:26,721 --> 00:23:29,722
earlier in 1864, Georgia's governor
498
00:23:29,730 --> 00:23:32,998
had ordered a census statewide.
499
00:23:33,007 --> 00:23:36,342
He wanted to capture the
names and locations
500
00:23:36,352 --> 00:23:39,853
of all male citizens
eligible to be called up
501
00:23:39,862 --> 00:23:42,446
into the service of the militia.
502
00:23:42,454 --> 00:23:43,704
Okay.
503
00:23:43,708 --> 00:23:47,309
Guess whose name appears on that list.
504
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:49,052
Our guy, Joshua Harris.
505
00:23:49,058 --> 00:23:50,691
Wow.
506
00:23:50,696 --> 00:23:54,064
So I think there is a very good possibility
507
00:23:54,074 --> 00:23:55,991
he was fighting on his own property.
508
00:23:58,153 --> 00:24:01,688
AMY: I am seeing a lot of activity.
509
00:24:01,698 --> 00:24:06,334
There's a lot of men in
both of these directions.
510
00:24:09,589 --> 00:24:11,756
That group is very large.
511
00:24:11,763 --> 00:24:14,831
That one's the big one.
512
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:16,038
That's a lot of men.
513
00:24:16,043 --> 00:24:18,577
That's, like, you know, war.
514
00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:23,624
Like, I'm definitely feeling,
you know, panic and stress,
515
00:24:23,633 --> 00:24:25,467
and, you know, it's loud.
516
00:24:25,473 --> 00:24:30,993
And there's... that's very sneaky.
517
00:24:31,007 --> 00:24:32,706
It was very sneaky.
518
00:24:32,712 --> 00:24:34,095
It was planned.
519
00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:37,001
There was a lot of yelling between them.
520
00:24:37,009 --> 00:24:39,776
I think that they were being hunted,
521
00:24:39,784 --> 00:24:41,818
and that's why they're
freaking the [bleep] out
522
00:24:41,824 --> 00:24:43,290
and trying to hide [bleep]
523
00:24:43,296 --> 00:24:46,297
Then I'm getting the
[bleep] pain in my head
524
00:24:46,305 --> 00:24:47,905
like a son of a [bleep]
525
00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:50,327
It hurts a lot.
526
00:24:57,105 --> 00:25:00,223
I encountered several dead
people during my walk,
527
00:25:00,232 --> 00:25:03,083
but the dark things
surrounding a living girl's bed
528
00:25:03,091 --> 00:25:05,258
had me the most concerned.
529
00:25:05,265 --> 00:25:07,632
There was a thing.
530
00:25:07,639 --> 00:25:13,109
It was actually standing
to the side of her.
531
00:25:13,123 --> 00:25:17,692
Same body shape as the child.
532
00:25:17,703 --> 00:25:21,505
It had its hand over her mouth,
533
00:25:21,516 --> 00:25:24,601
and the way that the arm
and the hand looked
534
00:25:24,609 --> 00:25:26,892
was not normal.
535
00:25:29,140 --> 00:25:30,472
Is this what you saw?
536
00:25:31,597 --> 00:25:33,714
Yes, that's what I saw.
537
00:25:53,580 --> 00:25:56,364
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
538
00:25:56,372 --> 00:25:58,506
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
539
00:25:58,512 --> 00:26:01,246
and our clients for the first time.
540
00:26:01,555 --> 00:26:04,122
Amy, I'd like you to meet
two very worried parents,
541
00:26:04,129 --> 00:26:06,329
Jeff and Tami.
542
00:26:06,336 --> 00:26:08,870
Everybody in the house
is having experiences,
543
00:26:08,877 --> 00:26:11,878
including their son, Hunter,
who I have a picture of here.
544
00:26:12,924 --> 00:26:14,423
AMY: Okay.
545
00:26:14,428 --> 00:26:16,895
Now, the main reason we're here
is their daughter, Jessica.
546
00:26:16,903 --> 00:26:19,737
She's going through hell.
547
00:26:19,745 --> 00:26:21,278
And it's killing Jeff and Tami
548
00:26:21,283 --> 00:26:23,350
that they can't do nothing to help her.
549
00:26:23,357 --> 00:26:24,857
And we're their last hope.
550
00:26:25,732 --> 00:26:28,049
So now that Amy knows who you guys are,
551
00:26:28,056 --> 00:26:30,539
I'm gonna have her tell us about her walk.
552
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:36,180
AMY: So, when I was outside,
553
00:26:36,186 --> 00:26:39,054
the first thing that I
saw was a lot of chaos.
554
00:26:39,062 --> 00:26:42,063
There was some kind of big battle.
555
00:26:42,072 --> 00:26:43,605
There was a lot of men.
556
00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:47,011
There was some general who was,
like, pacing around.
557
00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:50,188
Something about a massacre,
558
00:26:50,197 --> 00:26:56,468
and I could feel there's so
much stress in this area.
559
00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:58,566
STEVE: I think I know
what you might have seen.
560
00:26:58,571 --> 00:27:01,022
I wasn't shocked to find
that there was gonna be
561
00:27:01,030 --> 00:27:04,531
Civil War activity in this area,
562
00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,607
but what I was shocked about
is that you had a battle
563
00:27:06,614 --> 00:27:09,098
that took place right on your property.
564
00:27:09,105 --> 00:27:11,939
Now, what happened is in 1864,
565
00:27:11,947 --> 00:27:14,848
General Sherman led the
Union Army on a march.
566
00:27:14,856 --> 00:27:16,388
It started it Atlanta,
567
00:27:16,394 --> 00:27:17,827
and he was going through the whole state.
568
00:27:17,832 --> 00:27:20,566
I got an artist's
depiction of what happened.
569
00:27:20,574 --> 00:27:23,008
They destroyed everything.
570
00:27:23,015 --> 00:27:25,315
Now, on November 20th of that year,
571
00:27:25,322 --> 00:27:28,490
the Union Army came right
across your property here,
572
00:27:28,499 --> 00:27:30,065
where they got ambushed.
573
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:33,272
But it turned out worse
for the Confederate side,
574
00:27:33,281 --> 00:27:35,614
'cause they were badly outgunned.
575
00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:38,088
They wound up killing
seven Confederate soldiers
576
00:27:38,095 --> 00:27:39,562
right here on your land.
577
00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:40,666
Wow.
578
00:27:40,671 --> 00:27:42,804
Now, did you guys know about the battle?
579
00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:44,376
- No.
- No idea.
580
00:27:44,382 --> 00:27:46,816
We knew there was Civil
War activity around here,
581
00:27:46,823 --> 00:27:48,907
but we had no idea a battle took place.
582
00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:54,576
So, what else did you see?
583
00:27:54,582 --> 00:27:59,385
As soon as I walked in,
I saw this older male.
584
00:27:59,397 --> 00:28:02,865
He would show himself
585
00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:05,976
dressed in, like,
a black cloak and black hat.
586
00:28:05,984 --> 00:28:10,787
He was extremely tall, and he was angry.
587
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,766
The other thing he made known
588
00:28:12,772 --> 00:28:15,707
was that he likes to make people feel fear.
589
00:28:15,715 --> 00:28:19,049
I was actually in the master bedroom,
590
00:28:19,058 --> 00:28:23,060
and he slid into the
corner and was watching,
591
00:28:23,071 --> 00:28:25,005
and that's part of his thing,
592
00:28:25,011 --> 00:28:28,846
is he likes to watch people a lot.
593
00:28:29,398 --> 00:28:33,133
I also got him, like,
squatting down like a spider
594
00:28:33,143 --> 00:28:38,179
and, like,
moving around the floor very quickly.
595
00:28:38,191 --> 00:28:41,326
There's a presence in my room,
in the corner,
596
00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:45,270
that I'll wake up and I know
immediately I'm being watched,
597
00:28:45,281 --> 00:28:47,948
and it's interesting that you said
598
00:28:47,955 --> 00:28:50,789
about him getting small
and towards the floor,
599
00:28:50,798 --> 00:28:53,783
because Jeff and I have
recently talked about how
600
00:28:53,791 --> 00:28:55,407
we'll go to get in the bed,
601
00:28:55,412 --> 00:28:56,711
and it's almost like you're a kid
602
00:28:56,716 --> 00:28:58,099
and you're afraid for your feet
603
00:28:58,104 --> 00:28:59,670
to get close to the edge of the bed.
604
00:28:59,676 --> 00:29:00,725
Mm-hmm.
605
00:29:00,729 --> 00:29:02,613
54 years old, I'm a grown man,
606
00:29:02,619 --> 00:29:06,437
and sometimes you feel like a
kid running to jump in the bed.
607
00:29:06,447 --> 00:29:07,613
Mm-hmm.
608
00:29:07,618 --> 00:29:08,717
JESSICA: I see the shadow person
609
00:29:08,721 --> 00:29:11,355
usually in the middle of the floor.
610
00:29:11,363 --> 00:29:13,596
It was looking through my papers,
like it was nosy.
611
00:29:13,603 --> 00:29:17,789
But Hunter sees him more than I do.
612
00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:22,557
Wow. Okay.
613
00:29:22,565 --> 00:29:24,031
When I look into my brother's eyes,
614
00:29:24,036 --> 00:29:26,269
I can tell he's scared.
615
00:29:26,276 --> 00:29:29,378
I'm supposed to be the
protector of my home,
616
00:29:29,387 --> 00:29:31,387
and there's nothing I can do.
617
00:29:36,509 --> 00:29:38,158
STEVE: Any idea who this
guy might have been
618
00:29:38,163 --> 00:29:39,279
when he was living?
619
00:29:39,284 --> 00:29:44,888
Most of the information I got about him
620
00:29:44,902 --> 00:29:48,987
was actually through another person...
a younger man.
621
00:29:48,998 --> 00:29:52,950
The younger man has a lot
of anger and resentment
622
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,028
towards this older man,
so I kind of got, like,
623
00:29:56,037 --> 00:29:57,670
there was some kind of
family connection here,
624
00:29:57,675 --> 00:30:02,177
whether this was father and son
or grandfather and grandson.
625
00:30:02,189 --> 00:30:06,191
The older man,
the only thing that came from him
626
00:30:06,202 --> 00:30:08,152
was his disappointment in the younger man,
627
00:30:08,158 --> 00:30:09,574
which the younger man
doesn't give a [bleep] about.
628
00:30:09,579 --> 00:30:11,012
He's like, "I don't care."
629
00:30:11,017 --> 00:30:18,956
And I heard three words... "father,"
"landowner," "slave."
630
00:30:20,714 --> 00:30:22,381
STEVE: One thing you got to
know about the property...
631
00:30:22,386 --> 00:30:24,202
the earliest owners all had slaves.
632
00:30:25,764 --> 00:30:27,714
There was three different
owners that owned your land
633
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,603
that had slaves before
the Civil War broke out.
634
00:30:29,609 --> 00:30:31,325
The last slave owner who lived on the land
635
00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:33,782
was a guy named Joshua Harris,
who came here in 1858.
636
00:30:33,789 --> 00:30:36,573
Big reason I'm thinking it's him
637
00:30:36,581 --> 00:30:39,098
is because of the
relationship with his son.
638
00:30:39,105 --> 00:30:40,238
This guy, Joshua Harris,
639
00:30:40,243 --> 00:30:41,875
was a big supporter of the Confederacy.
640
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,297
It was where we lived, obviously.
641
00:30:43,302 --> 00:30:44,417
Now, I have a census here
642
00:30:44,422 --> 00:30:47,457
that says he was a reserve militia
643
00:30:47,465 --> 00:30:49,431
for the Confederate army.
644
00:30:49,438 --> 00:30:50,738
This guy was in his mid-'50s,
645
00:30:50,742 --> 00:30:52,775
so that'll give you an idea
of how supportive he was.
646
00:30:52,782 --> 00:30:56,550
Now, he had a son named James who was 20,
647
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,027
and he enlisted in the Confederate Army.
648
00:30:58,032 --> 00:31:00,399
Now, he had another son,
Franklin, who was 19,
649
00:31:00,406 --> 00:31:02,539
who refused to go off and fight.
650
00:31:02,546 --> 00:31:06,315
Now, the genealogist I spoke
to about the Harris family
651
00:31:06,325 --> 00:31:08,091
said that it probably
caused a lot of tension
652
00:31:08,097 --> 00:31:09,430
within the family.
653
00:31:09,435 --> 00:31:12,536
That's the only guy I can
think of that fits that bill.
654
00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:15,914
Yeah.
655
00:31:15,922 --> 00:31:17,321
Sounds like them.
656
00:31:17,326 --> 00:31:21,145
Now,
the thing about this Joshua Harris guy...
657
00:31:21,155 --> 00:31:22,854
he's actually buried right
here on the property.
658
00:31:22,859 --> 00:31:24,943
Oh, my God.
659
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,650
You could probably throw a
rock how far he is from here.
660
00:31:27,658 --> 00:31:31,160
Wow. Oh, my gosh.
661
00:31:31,169 --> 00:31:32,585
Wow.
662
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:34,974
We had absolutely no
idea he was over there.
663
00:31:40,566 --> 00:31:44,334
AMY: So,
when I was talking to the older man,
664
00:31:44,344 --> 00:31:48,230
he showed me that there
were two rooms in the house
665
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,558
that were the most active,
666
00:31:51,567 --> 00:31:53,633
and these were two bedrooms,
male and a female.
667
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,811
And when I walked upstairs,
I knew exactly the two bedrooms,
668
00:31:59,826 --> 00:32:02,927
and that this was, in fact,
what he showed me.
669
00:32:02,936 --> 00:32:06,938
So I went into the room where the boy was,
670
00:32:06,948 --> 00:32:10,083
and a lot of the chaos in there
671
00:32:10,092 --> 00:32:14,294
was the extreme amount of noise...
672
00:32:14,305 --> 00:32:15,521
movement.
673
00:32:15,526 --> 00:32:18,076
The window's what I got
was making the female
674
00:32:18,083 --> 00:32:23,020
in the other room feel,
like, sad and isolated,
675
00:32:23,033 --> 00:32:26,367
because the boy had kind of pulled away
676
00:32:26,376 --> 00:32:29,928
from being so close.
677
00:32:32,094 --> 00:32:34,261
STEVE: Is what she's saying
making any sense to you?
678
00:32:34,268 --> 00:32:35,567
JESSICA: She's nailing it.
679
00:32:35,572 --> 00:32:38,573
That's exactly how I feel all the time.
680
00:32:38,581 --> 00:32:43,618
It's like he's really distanced
himself from everybody.
681
00:32:43,631 --> 00:32:48,934
Well, then I went into the other room,
682
00:32:48,948 --> 00:32:55,319
and what I was seeing was
horrible nightmares...
683
00:32:55,334 --> 00:32:57,434
horrible.
684
00:32:57,441 --> 00:33:05,113
And I saw, like, you waking up
occasionally in strange places.
685
00:33:05,131 --> 00:33:09,300
STEVE: We talked about that...
how you sleepwalk.
686
00:33:09,311 --> 00:33:11,945
Yeah. I know that I woke up
in my brother's room before.
687
00:33:11,953 --> 00:33:15,321
Tell Amy about some of
those dreams you had.
688
00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:19,032
Well, there were a bunch of people outside.
689
00:33:19,042 --> 00:33:21,042
Everything just had this red...
690
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:23,082
- Glow?
- tint, yes.
691
00:33:23,088 --> 00:33:25,055
And everybody was dancing,
692
00:33:25,061 --> 00:33:29,029
and then they all looked
up like they saw somebody,
693
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,175
but when I would look,
I would just wake up.
694
00:33:32,183 --> 00:33:33,816
Interesting.
695
00:33:33,822 --> 00:33:35,839
It was very weird.
696
00:33:35,845 --> 00:33:37,578
Hm.
697
00:33:37,584 --> 00:33:42,203
So, what I saw was,
during some of these nightmares,
698
00:33:42,215 --> 00:33:45,082
that there was actually
phenomena going on...
699
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:49,610
like, lights flickering,
doors opening and closing,
700
00:33:49,622 --> 00:33:52,472
objects moving, things of that nature.
701
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,482
When I was younger, it
was just minor stuff,
702
00:33:56,493 --> 00:33:57,659
like drawers pulling out.
703
00:33:57,663 --> 00:33:59,163
I remember that my whole life.
704
00:33:59,168 --> 00:34:01,134
JEFF: Me and Hunter walked through one day,
705
00:34:01,141 --> 00:34:02,774
just a couple of weeks ago,
706
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:05,347
and the fireplace pokers about fell over.
707
00:34:05,355 --> 00:34:08,222
Okay.
708
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:12,099
What I was seeing was you were in the bed,
709
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:18,146
and I saw these three things
that were surrounding the bed.
710
00:34:18,161 --> 00:34:22,513
And at first I thought,
"Okay, those are children,"
711
00:34:22,525 --> 00:34:26,761
'cause they're little,
all-black, like black shadow,
712
00:34:26,772 --> 00:34:28,855
but solid.
713
00:34:28,861 --> 00:34:33,164
Then I saw that one was
actually grabbing your feet,
714
00:34:33,176 --> 00:34:37,645
and the other one, up by your head,
715
00:34:37,656 --> 00:34:40,056
had its hand over your mouth.
716
00:34:40,063 --> 00:34:43,131
What they were doing was manhandling you,
717
00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:48,210
basically incapacitating you...
718
00:34:48,223 --> 00:34:49,889
holding you down,
719
00:34:49,895 --> 00:34:53,363
and they were laughing at
you because you were afraid.
720
00:34:55,579 --> 00:34:58,130
The other thing I saw in your room
721
00:34:58,137 --> 00:34:59,753
was the old man again,
722
00:34:59,759 --> 00:35:03,661
and he loves when this is going on.
723
00:35:03,671 --> 00:35:05,805
He thinks it's absolutely fascinating.
724
00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:07,094
And that's why he goes up
725
00:35:07,098 --> 00:35:09,348
and he'll watch when this is all happening.
726
00:35:09,355 --> 00:35:12,557
STEVE: She's got some stuff going on.
727
00:35:12,566 --> 00:35:14,032
She feels like she's being spooned in bed.
728
00:35:14,037 --> 00:35:16,070
[Gasps] Yes.
729
00:35:16,077 --> 00:35:19,695
I woke up,
and I could feel something behind me,
730
00:35:19,705 --> 00:35:23,324
spooning me, and its head was,
like, right here,
731
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:24,916
and I couldn't move.
732
00:35:24,922 --> 00:35:26,738
I couldn't breathe. I couldn't cry.
733
00:35:26,744 --> 00:35:31,680
I couldn't turn my light on.
And it scratched me.
734
00:35:31,692 --> 00:35:35,861
I've woken up with scratches on my back.
735
00:35:35,872 --> 00:35:38,039
Oh, man.
736
00:35:38,046 --> 00:35:39,696
You kind of gasped when you heard
737
00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:41,185
that she was spooned in bed.
738
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:43,156
Well, that happened to me.
739
00:35:45,319 --> 00:35:49,471
It was the second night after the walk.
740
00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:51,816
I was in my bed,
741
00:35:51,823 --> 00:35:57,327
and I felt someone from
behind was holding me,
742
00:35:57,340 --> 00:36:02,509
and it felt very uncomfortable
and inappropriate.
743
00:36:02,523 --> 00:36:06,092
And I believe it's the old man.
744
00:36:06,101 --> 00:36:10,687
I think he's kind of a predator.
745
00:36:13,257 --> 00:36:15,591
TAMI: I've begged it to leave her alone.
746
00:36:15,598 --> 00:36:17,564
JEFF: I wish I could go up there
747
00:36:17,570 --> 00:36:22,440
and slap the [bleep] out of it,
honestly, and make it leave.
748
00:36:22,452 --> 00:36:25,620
I don't even want it to
see that I'm afraid,
749
00:36:25,629 --> 00:36:28,596
'cause in a way, that means it wins.
750
00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:35,115
Well, I did do a sketch of
what I saw in the bedroom.
751
00:36:43,419 --> 00:36:46,019
STEVE: [Sighs]
752
00:36:46,026 --> 00:36:48,260
I got to show it to you.
753
00:36:53,383 --> 00:36:56,151
[Crying]
754
00:36:58,867 --> 00:37:00,117
I've seen that.
755
00:37:12,683 --> 00:37:16,651
AMY: I did do a sketch of
what I saw in the bedroom.
756
00:37:24,721 --> 00:37:26,487
STEVE: [Sighs]
757
00:37:26,493 --> 00:37:29,194
I got to show it to you.
758
00:37:34,318 --> 00:37:37,819
JESSICA: [Crying]
759
00:37:39,617 --> 00:37:41,434
I've seen that.
760
00:37:49,365 --> 00:37:51,432
The reason I know I've seen that...
761
00:37:51,439 --> 00:37:53,956
that's what was trying to touch me.
762
00:38:00,098 --> 00:38:01,748
STEVE: When I got here, I told you guys
763
00:38:01,754 --> 00:38:03,237
I never know what Amy's gonna see,
764
00:38:03,242 --> 00:38:05,609
and I'm sure you weren't expecting
765
00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:07,916
to hear what she told us tonight.
766
00:38:07,923 --> 00:38:09,389
I wasn't expecting it.
767
00:38:09,394 --> 00:38:11,278
At least now you know
what you're dealing with.
768
00:38:11,284 --> 00:38:12,867
The big question is how do you fix it.
769
00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:16,574
For that answer, I'll turn it over to Amy.
770
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,628
AMY: The first thing
that I want to focus on
771
00:38:22,637 --> 00:38:26,505
are the dead individuals
that you have in the house.
772
00:38:26,515 --> 00:38:29,216
Obviously, the older man needs to go.
773
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:35,862
So I would like for you to bring
in an older, male medium.
774
00:38:35,878 --> 00:38:40,981
I want him to have a lot of
confidence in what he does,
775
00:38:40,994 --> 00:38:43,328
and I do want him to have a certain amount
776
00:38:43,335 --> 00:38:46,836
of, like, gruff, I guess you would say.
777
00:38:46,846 --> 00:38:51,549
This probably isn't going to
be a very pleasant situation
778
00:38:51,561 --> 00:38:54,562
for the medium or this old man,
779
00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:58,872
and there's probably going to
be a lot of fighting happening.
780
00:39:00,990 --> 00:39:03,040
The thing with removing the older man
781
00:39:03,047 --> 00:39:07,033
is that his son is going to go immediately.
782
00:39:07,043 --> 00:39:09,877
Once the medium moves on
the older man and his son,
783
00:39:09,885 --> 00:39:12,285
I want you to take this tar water
784
00:39:12,293 --> 00:39:14,727
and put it on all of the windowsills
785
00:39:14,734 --> 00:39:16,467
and all of the doorways.
786
00:39:16,473 --> 00:39:18,940
This is gonna keep all of
the dead out from now on,
787
00:39:18,947 --> 00:39:22,782
so you'll know there's
no dead people anymore.
788
00:39:22,792 --> 00:39:27,895
But you might still have experiences.
789
00:39:30,684 --> 00:39:32,183
JEFF: What do you mean?
790
00:39:32,188 --> 00:39:35,323
Well, I'm saying that there's
a possibility of aliens...
791
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:44,345
because that thing I
saw was not a dead thing.
792
00:39:44,361 --> 00:39:45,760
It's not a demon.
793
00:39:45,765 --> 00:39:49,267
It's something that was visiting
794
00:39:49,276 --> 00:39:52,043
and taking you...
795
00:39:52,051 --> 00:39:53,083
and your brother.
796
00:39:56,666 --> 00:39:58,966
Personally,
I have a lot of issues with this,
797
00:39:58,973 --> 00:40:03,242
but when I looked and did my
own research of this area,
798
00:40:03,253 --> 00:40:06,921
it was something that
I couldn't not discuss.
799
00:40:06,931 --> 00:40:08,431
STEVE: Let me get this straight.
800
00:40:08,436 --> 00:40:12,238
You're telling me she's being abducted...
her and her brother?
801
00:40:12,248 --> 00:40:15,182
I'm saying it's a very large possibility.
802
00:40:15,191 --> 00:40:17,458
Oh, gosh.
803
00:40:18,903 --> 00:40:20,769
I don't... I wouldn't even know
804
00:40:20,775 --> 00:40:22,858
how you would begin to
fight something like that.
805
00:40:22,864 --> 00:40:26,683
That's a whole nother level
806
00:40:26,694 --> 00:40:29,929
of what the [bleep] do you do with that.
807
00:40:32,512 --> 00:40:35,579
STEVE: Now,
is this something they can put a stop to,
808
00:40:35,588 --> 00:40:36,754
or is it something that
they just kind of manage it?
809
00:40:36,758 --> 00:40:39,159
They kind of manage it.
810
00:40:42,242 --> 00:40:44,076
What I would recommend is keeping a journal
811
00:40:44,082 --> 00:40:48,284
and kind of just documenting,
like, any dreams you have,
812
00:40:48,295 --> 00:40:50,261
or any further experiences,
813
00:40:50,267 --> 00:40:53,235
so that you have as much
recall as possible.
814
00:40:53,244 --> 00:40:57,856
And it's really up to you
how you want to handle this.
815
00:40:57,889 --> 00:41:00,816
It's not gonna be something
that's on a regular basis.
816
00:41:00,922 --> 00:41:02,187
That would be highly unusual.
817
00:41:02,192 --> 00:41:04,055
So you can live with it.
818
00:41:04,061 --> 00:41:05,325
How do you feel, Jess?
819
00:41:05,330 --> 00:41:06,695
I mean, you're the one
that's the main focus
820
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:07,699
of what's going on.
821
00:41:09,241 --> 00:41:12,377
I didn't really want to believe
822
00:41:12,386 --> 00:41:15,186
that it was something
from another dimension
823
00:41:15,194 --> 00:41:17,293
or anything like that,
824
00:41:17,299 --> 00:41:20,098
but I have no choice but to
believe what Amy tells me
825
00:41:20,106 --> 00:41:22,073
and to do what she tells me to do.
826
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,251
To me, this sounds pretty simple,
827
00:41:25,259 --> 00:41:28,057
as far as getting rid of
the spirits that are here
828
00:41:28,065 --> 00:41:31,938
and knowing that we can
prevent any more coming in.
829
00:41:31,949 --> 00:41:35,482
The other we'll just have
to tackle as a family,
830
00:41:35,491 --> 00:41:38,861
as we do other things, and
we'll work through it somehow.
831
00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:43,874
I honestly feel hat God gives us the tools
832
00:41:43,886 --> 00:41:46,354
to do whatever we need to do.
833
00:41:46,362 --> 00:41:47,695
He led us to y'all.
834
00:41:49,906 --> 00:41:53,073
AMY: I wish I had better news
for Jeff and his family,
835
00:41:53,082 --> 00:41:56,183
as dealing with alien
activity can be terrifying.
836
00:41:56,192 --> 00:41:58,760
But I believe if they follow my advice,
837
00:41:58,767 --> 00:42:00,500
they'll be able to manage it,
838
00:42:00,506 --> 00:42:02,274
and with the help of a medium,
839
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,248
the dead will no longer
torment them in their home.
840
00:42:05,298 --> 00:42:09,848
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