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It hurts to be in here.
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I don't know how to protect my family.
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AMY: If you go in that barn,
you're gonna die.
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I hate this house.
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I love my house, but I love my family more.
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Ow! [Bleep]!
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This is worse than a prison.
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That's very, very, very bad
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and there's blood.
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I think that the living
are caught in a war zone.
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"You're mine. You can't escape."
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My name is Amy Allan.
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[Crying] What's happening?
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I see dead people.
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It seems like a devil.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's pissed off.
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And they speak to me.
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I felt real fear.
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But there's only one way to
know if my findings are real.
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I think she's being murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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Serial killer pops in my head.
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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Nobody believes me.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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- Do you think there's still bodies there?
- I do.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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You got problems. I got news for you.
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When we uncover if it's
safe for you to stay...
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This is our house,
whether they like it or not.
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Or time to get out.
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This is their house, the house of the dead.
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- Sync and corrected by TheDelta -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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I'm in Chester Springs, Pennsylvania.
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It's an upscale community about
40 minutes outside of Philly.
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Amy and I were called in
by a woman named Carol.
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Now she told me the activity
in her dream home is so bad
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it's ruining her health and
tearing her family apart.
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She got real emotional on the phone
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and begged us to come out.
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She says we're her last hope.
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MATT: Before Amy arrives,
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I look for anything that
might influence her findings.
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This house has a lot of family photos.
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Once they're covered or removed,
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the location will be
ready for tonight's walk.
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AMY: I think I'm feeling, like, sick.
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I have a fever.
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Hot and cold at the same time
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and heart's pounding.
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I'm also getting this woman.
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I think she causes...[Scoffs]
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sickness and, um,
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extreme nausea.
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But she always is moving
all over the [bleep] place.
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She literally looks like a [bleep] blur.
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And she likes to move things around.
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Redecorating is what she thinks she's doing.
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And she's very strange-looking.
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She has spider arms and spider legs,
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and then her head is more... just,
like, a skull.
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She's scary and she scares people.
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Uh, so, Carol, I'm glad I'm here.
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You sounded really upset on the phone
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and it sounds like you're
going through a tough time.
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Yeah, I called you in
'cause I really need help.
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I'm concerned for our physical safety,
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emotional safety,
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and I don't know how to protect my family.
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Now how long have you lived here?
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12 years.
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Now who lives in the house with you now?
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My husband and my son.
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My daughter, who's in college,
used to, uh, be here.
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And the older daughter
lives about 20 minutes away
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with her daughter.
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Now tell me what's going on in the house.
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Noises, things being moved around,
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seeing shadows,
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and I definitely think
it impacts how you feel.
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Within the first year of living here,
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I ended up getting sick...
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uh, fibromyalgia,
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chronic fatigue, migraines.
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You seem to think it has
to do with the house.
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I think it can all be tied in.
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Doctors, when they would test,
would say I look great on paper.
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Okay, 'cause to look at you,
you look healthy.
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Why don't you just move?
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It's our home, and I don't wanna leave.
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But I'm very fearful for my family,
for my kids,
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and my grandchild.
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AMY: The living, yeah, they totally see her,
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the woman from outside.
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I think they see her, like...
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- like if the light was shining on her...
- Right.
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and then there's a shadow.
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Oh, she's goes [bleep] nuts in here, man.
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She really makes you not feel good,
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and the thing heart and the...fever.
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You know, she just does... it's terrible.
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She has too much energy.
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What does that do to the living?
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Probably give you a heart attack. Mm-hmm.
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STEVE: Okay, Carol,
so why are we up in this part of the house?
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Upstairs here is when I
first came face-to-face
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with a black mass.
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Came up to about my waist level.
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I came up on it from behind,
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and the top of it turned
around and looked at me.
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Okay, have... have you seen it again?
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I've seen a shadow figure.
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I think it's the same thing.
It's just in a different form.
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More like a male adult, around 6-feet-9.
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Now is anything else going on?
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One of the things is that
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the door will just close on its own.
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You're talking about these doors right here?
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Just... [Door creaks]
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- outta nowhere?
- Yes.
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Do you hear it?
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No. You don't hear it closing,
you don't hear it latching shut,
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but it's closed.
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Okay. Now what about it being on a tilt?
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This is not off-kilter or anything?
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No. It has a latch handle,
so you think you would hear it.
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[Latch clicking]
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[Door creaks]
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Like that. You'd hear that.
You would hear that.
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I can't explain it.
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Well, that's gotta scare the hell outta ya,
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you turn around and see the door closed.
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Yeah, I don't sleep very well.
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There's somebody else in the house, uh,
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that the woman from outside doesn't like.
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Uh, and I think he kinda
torments her a little bit.
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[Door creaks] He is...
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always looking for her
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and won't let her alone.
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She says that dude is up the stairs.
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He's like a bull in a china shop.
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He's not aware of, you know, his strength.
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He's like, you think about a door,
and a door slams...
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and then all the [bleep] doors slam.
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But it's not like he meant to.
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Do you know how he might
appear to the living?
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I think they see him a
like a big black mist.
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They might see him, like,
hovering over them,
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like, lurking in the corner.
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He's like,
"I'm trying to take care of that [bleep].
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I'm trying to [bleep] control her ass."
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Uh, he says that she
causes all the problems.
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All the problems. Not him. It's her.
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Sure as [bleep] wants to break things.
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She doesn't wanna [bleep] be here anymore.
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She's tired of the [bleep]
crazy-ass guy who's here,
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[bleep] tortures her.
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Uh, so she gets out occasionally.
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Uh, but then, you know,
she ends up back here,
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and then there he is, and she's upset.
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STEVE: Okay.
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You had an experience here?
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CAROL: Yeah.
At one point, I did have horses. Okay.
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So to help with, uh,
mice that come in with the food grain,
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I had purchased some cats.
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And to keep the wildlife out,
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we would put cat food in a container.
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And to make sure they
couldn't get into that,
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we put a cinder block on top.
Okay, what happened?
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One time, my son came out to feed the cats.
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One of our cats was dead within the bin.
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Inside the bin?
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And the cinder block was on top.
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Okay.
He must've been shocked when he saw that.
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Yeah. Me, too.
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It just floored me.
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Is there any chance the cat
jumped in before he closed it
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and didn't see the cat and
maybe suffocated this thing?
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It's not a real deep food bin.
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All right, so he would've seen the cat.
He would've seen it.
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Well, I got news for you.
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- If that's supernatural, you got a problem.
- Yeah.
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I know you got issues here,
but what are you...
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what are you trying to get out
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of the investigation we're gonna do?
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I need to find out what's going on here
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for the safety of my family.
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I think whatever this entity is,
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it can impact people's personalities,
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like the behavior of Kelly in the past.
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- Kelly's your daughter?
- Kelly's my daughter.
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What are we talking about?
What kind of behavior?
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When we moved in here,
she became just atrocious...
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the things that she would say
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and her physical violence against me.
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It was almost as if
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it wasn't even my daughter
saying the things she was
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and doing the things she was.
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But why do you think that's paranormal
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and not just teenage nonsense?
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Well, because when she then
moved out of the house...
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we actually asked her to
leave because her personality,
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the way she was acting
jeopardized my marriage,
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jeopardized the rest of
the children in the house.
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Okay.
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And when we asked her to leave,
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then she's done a complete turnaround.
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Really?
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No more explosive outbursts.
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It's completely different.
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[Door creaks]
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I'm feeling that same woman.
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Something, uh, she, uh...
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She has been saying,
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"Oh,
don't go in there 'cause you'll all die!
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You'll all die!"
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She's saying there's
something in here that's, uh,
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not good.
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It's done harm.
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She thinks that no one
can take care of this.
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[Scoffs] That's very, very, very bad.
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It's been here a long time.
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This thing is, uh...
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a blob.
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It came...
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like a snake
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that, uh...
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may be influencing people.
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Because it talks to them?
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It's made a lot of people...
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angry.
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It can make you do bad things.
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But it does... it causes damage.
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[Whispers] A lot of damage.
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I don't like it in here.
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It hurts to be in here.
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So, Rob, I was talking to your wife,
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and, uh, it was upsetting listening to her.
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So, uh, how you taking all this?
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It's been very stressful.
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I'm an engineer, so, you know,
I believe in science
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and I look for facts and I look for proof.
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Things just kept happening
and happening that
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I really couldn't explain.
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It's very disconcerting,
and especially because of
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all the different kinds of
things that have happened.
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Have you had any experiences
while you've been here?
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I've heard footsteps.
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Laying in bed,
I've heard things outside in the hallway.
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Now the footsteps... you sure it wasn't
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- one of the kids walking around?
- Yeah.
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Positive?
258
00:11:46,043 --> 00:11:47,611
Yeah. Sure. Positive. Absolutely.
259
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Okay, so now anything else happen to you?
260
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I had an episode where I
woke up in the morning,
261
00:11:52,717 --> 00:11:55,953
took a shower, and my back burned.
262
00:11:55,955 --> 00:11:59,526
And I felt to the back,
and I had scratches on my back.
263
00:11:59,528 --> 00:12:03,396
And my wife said,
"You have big gouges on your back."
264
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And she actually ended up
taking a picture of 'em.
265
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This is your back? That's my back.
266
00:12:09,238 --> 00:12:12,204
Show me where these scratches would've been
267
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and how you could've did it.
268
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It would've been...
269
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like...right here.
270
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I-I mean... And I would've had to,
essentially,
271
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- just do like that.
- Oh, I see where it was.
272
00:12:23,849 --> 00:12:26,350
It was, like,
right into the meaty part of my back.
273
00:12:26,352 --> 00:12:27,751
It is possible? Yeah.
274
00:12:27,753 --> 00:12:30,220
But it's kinda pushing it
that you did it yourself.
275
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I mean,
it's almost like you were in a straitjacket.
276
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What do you think is going on in this house?
277
00:12:34,726 --> 00:12:37,058
There's some sort of...
278
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uh... haunting.
279
00:12:39,731 --> 00:12:42,897
You know, I love my house,
but I love my family more.
280
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And I'll... if I... if I need to move,
I'll move.
281
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AMY: She's pissed. Oh, she's pissed.
282
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[Exhales deeply]
283
00:12:52,947 --> 00:12:54,447
_
284
00:12:55,210 --> 00:12:57,577
He keeps saying he doesn't
mean to hurt anybody.
285
00:12:57,579 --> 00:13:00,079
I think he, like, cuts people.
286
00:13:01,914 --> 00:13:04,148
That's what sh... wait.
287
00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:06,184
I think that's what she's saying.
288
00:13:06,186 --> 00:13:09,123
So who the [bleep] knows who's cuttin' who?
289
00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,726
I'm caught in the middle of a war
290
00:13:11,728 --> 00:13:13,759
between the dead man and woman.
291
00:13:13,761 --> 00:13:15,993
Both are telling me
completely different stories,
292
00:13:15,995 --> 00:13:19,260
and it's impossible to know
who's telling the truth.
293
00:13:19,262 --> 00:13:22,595
He's like, "I'm the one trying to protect."
294
00:13:22,597 --> 00:13:25,200
He tries to stop her from
doing her crazy [bleep].
295
00:13:25,202 --> 00:13:28,342
He's more... worried about her,
296
00:13:28,344 --> 00:13:33,917
because she physically effects the living.
297
00:13:37,754 --> 00:13:41,223
That's what he's trying to stop.
298
00:13:41,225 --> 00:13:45,093
He feels like the problems he causes
299
00:13:45,095 --> 00:13:48,731
are far less than if he was not here
300
00:13:48,733 --> 00:13:51,568
and she was running amok.
301
00:13:58,868 --> 00:14:00,567
So, Kelly,
I'm glad I got a chance to speak to you.
302
00:14:00,569 --> 00:14:02,068
I was talking to mom,
303
00:14:02,070 --> 00:14:03,670
and she told me you were having a...
304
00:14:03,672 --> 00:14:05,438
kind of a tough time in this house.
305
00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,376
I hate this house. Hate it.
It's just negative.
306
00:14:09,378 --> 00:14:11,606
But she thought that
307
00:14:11,608 --> 00:14:14,342
whatever's in this house
definitely influenced you.
308
00:14:14,344 --> 00:14:16,546
I think it had an influence.
309
00:14:16,548 --> 00:14:18,781
We were always just at each others' necks.
310
00:14:18,783 --> 00:14:21,685
Even the little mistakes would
turn into a total blowup.
311
00:14:21,687 --> 00:14:24,353
- You got violent.
- Yeah. It was bad.
312
00:14:24,355 --> 00:14:26,222
Sometimes you just get so mad and,
like, black out
313
00:14:26,224 --> 00:14:28,994
and not really be able
to put 2 and 2 together
314
00:14:28,996 --> 00:14:31,365
about what just happened.
315
00:14:31,367 --> 00:14:32,633
Let me just ask you.
Do you think it was the house
316
00:14:32,635 --> 00:14:34,735
and what's in this house that did it to you?
317
00:14:34,737 --> 00:14:35,971
Or do you think it was just
318
00:14:35,973 --> 00:14:37,273
you were being a pain in the ass teenager?
319
00:14:37,275 --> 00:14:40,441
Um, 100% believe with everything in me
320
00:14:40,443 --> 00:14:42,779
that there is something here.
321
00:14:45,383 --> 00:14:49,119
She's telling me everything that she does,
uh, to people.
322
00:14:49,121 --> 00:14:53,123
She kind of harassed
someone that lived here.
323
00:14:55,392 --> 00:14:58,028
There's a young girl... teenager, I think...
324
00:14:58,030 --> 00:15:00,866
that she didn't have respect for her mom.
325
00:15:00,868 --> 00:15:03,403
She had very bad thoughts
326
00:15:03,405 --> 00:15:05,973
that were not good, pure.
327
00:15:05,975 --> 00:15:07,507
She really, really hated her.
328
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:09,675
And she...
329
00:15:09,677 --> 00:15:11,712
kind of really let her have it.
330
00:15:11,714 --> 00:15:13,148
What did she do?
331
00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:15,015
She kinda always jumped her a lot.
332
00:15:17,952 --> 00:15:21,588
And it would make the kid very sick.
333
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:24,126
I think she kinda possessed her.
334
00:15:26,794 --> 00:15:28,294
Why'd you wanna meet me in this room?
335
00:15:28,296 --> 00:15:30,527
This actually used to be my first room here
336
00:15:30,529 --> 00:15:31,863
when we first moved in,
337
00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:35,004
and this is where I had my
first experience in the house.
338
00:15:35,006 --> 00:15:37,639
Okay, what was that?
339
00:15:37,641 --> 00:15:39,408
Uh, actually, this door right here.
340
00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:41,411
Um, very first night we had moved in,
341
00:15:41,413 --> 00:15:45,277
um, just, like, banging and knocking.
342
00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,278
Now are we talking about like...
343
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,614
banging like a person was doing it?
As if there was
344
00:15:50,616 --> 00:15:54,284
literally somebody stuck on the other side
345
00:15:54,286 --> 00:15:55,851
trying to get through.
346
00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:57,184
So...
347
00:15:57,186 --> 00:15:59,352
- [Bangs loudly]
- Like that.
348
00:15:59,354 --> 00:16:00,521
Exactly like that.
349
00:16:00,523 --> 00:16:02,322
I'm 51 years old.
350
00:16:02,324 --> 00:16:04,158
That would scare the hell
outta me if I heard that.
351
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,659
Yeah.
352
00:16:05,661 --> 00:16:08,696
I don't have an explanation for it.
353
00:16:08,698 --> 00:16:10,432
Anything else?
354
00:16:10,434 --> 00:16:12,902
Most recently, my daughter actually was,
355
00:16:12,904 --> 00:16:15,639
like, pushed down the stairs.
356
00:16:17,142 --> 00:16:18,510
Legs went over her head,
357
00:16:18,512 --> 00:16:21,281
and she landed on her head.
358
00:16:21,283 --> 00:16:24,918
I... of course, like, complete shock.
Freaked out.
359
00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,223
I was bawling my eyes out.
360
00:16:27,225 --> 00:16:29,627
I wouldn't want her to
experience the things I have.
361
00:16:29,629 --> 00:16:32,828
I worry about that every day.
362
00:16:34,497 --> 00:16:40,266
He's not really aware of the space,
you know, around him.
363
00:16:40,268 --> 00:16:43,372
Indirectly, I think he could hurt people,
364
00:16:43,374 --> 00:16:46,207
like by trying to move them out of the way.
365
00:16:49,079 --> 00:16:51,547
I think that the living are...
366
00:16:51,549 --> 00:16:53,381
kinda caught in a war zone.
367
00:17:07,188 --> 00:17:09,390
Some cases I've gotta do a lot of digging
368
00:17:09,392 --> 00:17:11,359
before I find a death on the property.
369
00:17:11,361 --> 00:17:14,129
Not this one. Took one phone call.
370
00:17:14,197 --> 00:17:16,600
I'm on my way to meet
with a sheriff who said
371
00:17:16,602 --> 00:17:19,507
there was a murder right inside
of Rob and Carol's house.
372
00:17:24,046 --> 00:17:26,814
Turns out there was a homicide
in the house I'm investigating.
373
00:17:26,816 --> 00:17:29,383
Yes. Andrew Fedyck was killed in the house
374
00:17:29,385 --> 00:17:32,183
in January of 1939.
375
00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:34,653
So now what do we know about
this guy Andrew himself?
376
00:17:34,655 --> 00:17:38,086
Andrew and his Bessie
were Austrian immigrants.
377
00:17:38,088 --> 00:17:41,257
They moved into the house in 1929.
378
00:17:41,259 --> 00:17:45,493
They were the parents of
five girls and one boy.
379
00:17:45,495 --> 00:17:46,960
Andrew was a farmer,
380
00:17:46,962 --> 00:17:49,228
and he was known to have a drinking problem.
381
00:17:49,230 --> 00:17:50,796
The night of the homicide,
382
00:17:50,798 --> 00:17:54,066
Andrew came in, and allegedly he was drunk
383
00:17:54,068 --> 00:17:56,169
and had been drinking for several days.
384
00:17:56,171 --> 00:17:58,938
And he was very abusive and boisterous and,
uh,
385
00:17:58,940 --> 00:18:02,744
angry with his wife and
whoever else was in the house.
386
00:18:02,746 --> 00:18:05,481
And, uh, the son, Michael, came in.
387
00:18:05,483 --> 00:18:06,882
And when Michael came in,
388
00:18:06,884 --> 00:18:10,385
it's alleged that his dad
came after him with a knife.
389
00:18:10,387 --> 00:18:12,686
- Okay, so now how old was Michael?
- Michael was 19.
390
00:18:12,688 --> 00:18:14,521
Now I do have a picture of Michael.
391
00:18:14,523 --> 00:18:19,291
A struggle ensues,
and Michael is able to disarm his dad.
392
00:18:19,293 --> 00:18:22,728
But at the time,
then his father turned his rage
393
00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:25,066
toward Bessie, his wife.
394
00:18:25,068 --> 00:18:27,769
She picks up a 12 gauge shotgun.
395
00:18:27,771 --> 00:18:29,504
She gives him a warning.
396
00:18:29,506 --> 00:18:30,504
In fact, she gives him several warnings
397
00:18:30,506 --> 00:18:32,305
and asked him to back off.
398
00:18:32,307 --> 00:18:34,106
He proceeds to come after her,
399
00:18:34,108 --> 00:18:37,610
and she shoots once and
hits him in the chest.
400
00:18:37,612 --> 00:18:40,679
I do have a copy of the death certificate
401
00:18:40,681 --> 00:18:42,613
declaring him dead that night,
402
00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:46,617
with information that he
died from a shotgun blast.
403
00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:49,524
Okay. Homicide, murder by gunshot wounds.
404
00:18:49,526 --> 00:18:52,291
I have the newspaper account.
It was headline news.
405
00:18:52,293 --> 00:18:55,529
The newspaper report
said an autopsy performed
406
00:18:55,531 --> 00:18:58,835
revealed that 156 pellets
of the shotgun shell
407
00:18:58,837 --> 00:19:01,073
had pierced his chest.
408
00:19:01,075 --> 00:19:03,145
So, sheriff, did she get arrested for this?
409
00:19:03,147 --> 00:19:05,183
That night, she's taken into custody
410
00:19:05,185 --> 00:19:08,918
and she's charged with both
homicide and manslaughter.
411
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,290
She's released on bail,
and three months later,
412
00:19:12,292 --> 00:19:14,159
she appears in front of a grand jury.
413
00:19:14,161 --> 00:19:16,895
- Okay.
- She alleges self-defense.
414
00:19:16,897 --> 00:19:21,065
The grand jury believes that
and they don't indict her.
415
00:19:23,637 --> 00:19:25,670
Matt: Did they have a relationship in life?
416
00:19:25,672 --> 00:19:30,205
Yes. I'm gonna say she knew
him when she was alive.
417
00:19:30,207 --> 00:19:32,975
I don't know if they were related.
418
00:19:32,977 --> 00:19:35,448
With all this fighting going on,
it's hard to know
419
00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:37,951
how this man and woman
knew each other in life.
420
00:19:37,953 --> 00:19:39,486
But one thing's for sure...
421
00:19:39,488 --> 00:19:41,921
they can't stand each other in death.
422
00:19:41,923 --> 00:19:44,255
She seems afraid of him some,
423
00:19:44,257 --> 00:19:46,657
thinking that he can do [bleep] to her.
424
00:19:46,659 --> 00:19:48,562
Or has done [bleep] to her, you know.
425
00:19:48,564 --> 00:19:51,264
I don't know if he, like,
beats her up or what,
426
00:19:51,266 --> 00:19:53,399
but she tries to get the
[bleep] out of the way.
427
00:19:56,603 --> 00:19:58,502
I am seeing a... it's a funeral.
428
00:20:02,342 --> 00:20:04,176
A wife shoots and kills her husband,
429
00:20:04,178 --> 00:20:06,479
and a grand jury does not indict her.
430
00:20:06,481 --> 00:20:09,915
That just seems odd to me,
especially because it's 1939.
431
00:20:09,917 --> 00:20:11,917
I'm heading over to meet
with a professor in Philly
432
00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,588
who'll look into the case for me.
433
00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:23,602
Well, Dr. Ruchti, thanks for meeting me.
I appreciate it.
434
00:20:23,604 --> 00:20:24,871
My pleasure.
435
00:20:24,873 --> 00:20:27,574
All right,
so the reason I asked you to help me out
436
00:20:27,576 --> 00:20:28,741
was that I found it odd,
437
00:20:28,743 --> 00:20:29,741
especially as a homicide investigator,
438
00:20:29,743 --> 00:20:32,045
that this woman did not get indicted
439
00:20:32,047 --> 00:20:33,314
for murder charges.
440
00:20:33,316 --> 00:20:35,249
Steve, it is a really interesting case
441
00:20:35,251 --> 00:20:38,118
for the time period, given the fact that
442
00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,221
the status of women was subordinate to men
443
00:20:41,223 --> 00:20:42,821
during that time.
444
00:20:42,823 --> 00:20:44,488
And... and that's why I thought it odd
445
00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:45,922
that she didn't get indicted... Right.
446
00:20:45,924 --> 00:20:47,657
'cause I figured, it's 1939.
447
00:20:47,659 --> 00:20:50,396
There was no domestic violence
laws on the books yet.
448
00:20:50,398 --> 00:20:51,732
No, there absolutely was not.
449
00:20:51,734 --> 00:20:53,532
In fact, domestic violence wasn't even
450
00:20:53,534 --> 00:20:55,831
part of our language at that point.
451
00:20:55,833 --> 00:20:57,901
We just called these things "family feuds."
452
00:20:57,903 --> 00:20:59,905
Well, it had to be pretty compelling
'cause I'm assuming
453
00:20:59,907 --> 00:21:01,940
that it had to be an all-male grand jury.
454
00:21:01,942 --> 00:21:03,441
Absolutely.
455
00:21:03,443 --> 00:21:07,347
When you think of somebody as unequal to men,
less than men,
456
00:21:07,349 --> 00:21:09,449
you might think of them as childlike,
457
00:21:09,451 --> 00:21:12,118
not making the same decisions
that you would make.
458
00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,489
And they're... looking at
her as if she was a kid.
459
00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:17,425
- And how do you indict a kid?
- Right.
460
00:21:17,427 --> 00:21:20,129
Maybe this grand jury just thought,
you know,
461
00:21:20,131 --> 00:21:22,032
"Well,
she just didn't know what she was doing.
462
00:21:22,034 --> 00:21:23,933
Maybe she lost her mind."
463
00:21:23,935 --> 00:21:25,332
We still see some of this still today,
464
00:21:25,334 --> 00:21:28,905
the argument that women are...
are crazy or irrational.
465
00:21:28,907 --> 00:21:30,273
So, I mean, what's your opinion on it?
466
00:21:30,275 --> 00:21:32,608
- What do you think about it?
- I think it's very clear
467
00:21:32,610 --> 00:21:37,380
that she was being abused by
her husband severely over time.
468
00:21:37,382 --> 00:21:39,081
She's trying to protect herself.
469
00:21:39,083 --> 00:21:41,117
She's trying to protect her children.
470
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,219
And did not want to hurt or
harm or even kill anyone,
471
00:21:47,221 --> 00:21:50,225
let alone her husband,
but felt she had no other choice
472
00:21:50,227 --> 00:21:53,928
because he was coming for her.
473
00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:57,296
He's like, "She was really angry."
474
00:21:57,298 --> 00:21:59,965
I think he...
475
00:21:59,967 --> 00:22:01,833
privately disliked her.
476
00:22:03,471 --> 00:22:05,308
He thought she was nuts.
477
00:22:10,115 --> 00:22:13,151
Yeah, she's done some bad things.
478
00:22:13,153 --> 00:22:15,622
He gets angry at her.
479
00:22:15,624 --> 00:22:17,424
He says that she's crazy.
480
00:22:29,746 --> 00:22:32,012
STEVE: So far,
I've got a family being terrorized
481
00:22:32,014 --> 00:22:33,345
by unexplained activity
482
00:22:33,347 --> 00:22:36,149
and a property that's been
the site of a homicide.
483
00:22:36,151 --> 00:22:38,919
But there's gotta be something
else that can help my case,
484
00:22:38,921 --> 00:22:41,457
so I'm at the local library.
485
00:22:43,127 --> 00:22:45,193
Searching through old records,
I find a scandal
486
00:22:45,195 --> 00:22:48,933
involving brutal mistreatment
of kids at an orphanage.
487
00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:50,604
Turns out it's right next to
488
00:22:50,606 --> 00:22:53,340
my client's original property lines.
489
00:22:53,342 --> 00:22:55,311
I called the local historian,
490
00:22:55,313 --> 00:22:58,982
and she says it was a scene of neglect,
abuse, and death.
491
00:23:05,657 --> 00:23:08,258
Well, Dr. Giesberg, thanks for meeting me.
I appreciate that.
492
00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:10,125
So the article I came across, uh,
493
00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:12,496
mentioned scandal and abuse in an orphanage
494
00:23:12,498 --> 00:23:14,730
not far from the property I'm investigating.
495
00:23:14,732 --> 00:23:16,864
Uh, what can you tell me about the place?
496
00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:19,469
It opened up, um, in 1868 on the property
497
00:23:19,471 --> 00:23:22,371
of a former Revolutionary War-era hospital.
498
00:23:22,373 --> 00:23:23,637
Oh. Okay.
499
00:23:23,639 --> 00:23:27,476
And here's a photograph
of the school in 1870.
500
00:23:28,778 --> 00:23:32,048
The orphanage in Chester
Springs was one of 35
501
00:23:32,050 --> 00:23:35,251
- operating in the state of Pennsylvania.
- Wow.
502
00:23:35,253 --> 00:23:38,156
Now the article I saw was
sometime in the 1880s.
503
00:23:38,158 --> 00:23:40,224
So when did the scandal actually break?
504
00:23:40,226 --> 00:23:41,892
There were a series of articles, actually,
505
00:23:41,894 --> 00:23:43,861
- published in the 1880s...
- Okay.
506
00:23:43,863 --> 00:23:46,430
uh, reporting abuse at the schools.
507
00:23:46,432 --> 00:23:49,134
- Okay.
- Here are a couple of examples here.
508
00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,373
One of these talking about,
uh, kids getting, um,
509
00:23:52,375 --> 00:23:53,808
you know, water tortured
510
00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:57,576
so they can confess to
pulling a prank at the school.
511
00:23:57,578 --> 00:24:01,750
Another one, um, alleging, um, sexual abuse
512
00:24:01,752 --> 00:24:03,919
- at the schools.
- Okay.
513
00:24:03,921 --> 00:24:05,186
This is another article
514
00:24:05,188 --> 00:24:06,652
that was published in a national newspaper
515
00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:08,618
that talked about the
kids not being provided
516
00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:10,850
with adequate food or clothing,
517
00:24:10,852 --> 00:24:14,624
uh, children being neglected
without medical care
518
00:24:14,626 --> 00:24:16,025
and dying in their cells.
519
00:24:16,027 --> 00:24:17,924
- This is worse than a prison.
- Oh, yeah, sure.
520
00:24:17,926 --> 00:24:19,591
The news stories, um,
521
00:24:19,593 --> 00:24:22,959
reported deaths at many of these
schools in... over the years.
522
00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:24,726
So what happens next?
523
00:24:24,728 --> 00:24:27,329
This becomes a political hot potato.
524
00:24:27,331 --> 00:24:29,429
So all the abuse and all
this is still going on?
525
00:24:29,431 --> 00:24:31,761
- That's right.
- All right, so what happens?
526
00:24:31,763 --> 00:24:34,131
So around 1906, um,
527
00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,633
the Chester Springs, uh,
Civil War Orphan Home
528
00:24:36,635 --> 00:24:38,801
is finally closed.
529
00:24:38,803 --> 00:24:41,472
Here's our article talking
about its last commencement.
530
00:24:41,474 --> 00:24:43,539
Okay. Did anybody go to prison?
531
00:24:43,541 --> 00:24:46,040
Or was it just basically
"you're out of a job now"?
532
00:24:46,042 --> 00:24:47,074
These guys mostly just lost their jobs.
533
00:24:47,076 --> 00:24:48,874
- That's it.
- That's right.
534
00:24:53,244 --> 00:24:55,144
_
535
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:58,019
There's, like, some...
536
00:24:58,021 --> 00:24:59,986
boys?
537
00:24:59,988 --> 00:25:04,459
These guys are, like, beating up this, uh...
538
00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:06,792
you know, they're kids, though.
They're kids.
539
00:25:06,794 --> 00:25:08,394
They're beatin' the [bleep] outta this guy.
540
00:25:10,164 --> 00:25:12,598
Beatin' the [bleep] out of him.
541
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,436
This is bad over here.
542
00:25:16,409 --> 00:25:20,010
Ow! [Bleep]!
543
00:25:20,012 --> 00:25:21,848
Ohh.
544
00:25:23,018 --> 00:25:24,486
Whoa, that hurt.
545
00:25:24,488 --> 00:25:26,088
Somebody lost their hearing.
546
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,520
His whole body's on the ground.
547
00:25:27,522 --> 00:25:29,320
I think he's dehydrated.
548
00:25:29,322 --> 00:25:30,988
And there's blood.
549
00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:32,122
He's young. He's young.
550
00:25:32,124 --> 00:25:34,390
[Exhales sharply, groans]
551
00:25:34,392 --> 00:25:36,559
He's, like, a kid.
552
00:25:36,561 --> 00:25:39,130
Oh, that [bleep] hurt, man.
553
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,333
[Grunts] I think he's delirious.
554
00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:54,844
AMY: During my walk,
I was caught in the middle
555
00:25:54,846 --> 00:25:57,313
of a feud between a dead man and woman.
556
00:25:57,315 --> 00:25:58,881
I'm meeting with an artist to describe
557
00:25:58,883 --> 00:26:02,018
how their battles affect the living.
558
00:26:02,020 --> 00:26:04,054
Dead lady is kind of on the wall.
559
00:26:04,056 --> 00:26:07,420
And she's weird. Very strange-looking.
560
00:26:07,422 --> 00:26:11,589
She pretty much has a skull for a face.
561
00:26:14,959 --> 00:26:18,460
And there's a dead man across the room,
screaming at her.
562
00:26:20,462 --> 00:26:23,296
The living lady is freaking out.
563
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,166
Amy, is this what you saw?
564
00:26:28,168 --> 00:26:31,104
Yes, that's what I saw.
565
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,280
STEVE: Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
566
00:26:55,282 --> 00:26:57,414
we're ready to reveal our
findings to each other
567
00:26:57,416 --> 00:27:00,318
and our clients for the first time.
568
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,987
Well, Amy, you're sitting across from, uh,
569
00:27:01,989 --> 00:27:03,752
what I consider a family in crisis.
570
00:27:03,754 --> 00:27:06,489
Uh, this is Rob, that's his wife Carol,
571
00:27:06,491 --> 00:27:09,558
and this is their daughter Kelly,
their oldest.
572
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,093
Now Kelly doesn't live here anymore.
573
00:27:11,095 --> 00:27:13,198
And these are their other two children.
574
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,102
This is Heather, who's away at college,
575
00:27:16,104 --> 00:27:17,938
uh, and this is Kyle, who's...14 now?
576
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:19,442
- ROB: 14.
- CAROL: Yep.
577
00:27:19,444 --> 00:27:21,512
STEVE: He still lives here.
578
00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:23,714
You should know that the
activity is so bad here,
579
00:27:23,716 --> 00:27:26,018
it's ruining Carol's health,
580
00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:29,454
and it's basically tearing the family apart.
581
00:27:29,456 --> 00:27:31,488
And they told me that
we are their last hope.
582
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:34,790
So now that Amy knows a
little bit about... [Exhales]
583
00:27:34,792 --> 00:27:35,958
what's going on here,
584
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,995
I'm gonna ask her to
describe her walk for us.
585
00:27:37,997 --> 00:27:44,001
When I first got here,
I encountered a female.
586
00:27:44,003 --> 00:27:48,771
Her energy is just... off the charts.
587
00:27:48,773 --> 00:27:51,707
She's absolutely in constant motion.
588
00:27:51,709 --> 00:27:54,243
She looks... strange.
589
00:27:54,245 --> 00:27:57,410
Her face was basically just a skull.
590
00:27:57,412 --> 00:28:01,348
Her arms and legs were extraordinarily long
591
00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,750
and kind of spiderlike.
592
00:28:03,752 --> 00:28:05,085
Definitely one of the...
593
00:28:05,087 --> 00:28:07,253
the major things that I got from her
594
00:28:07,255 --> 00:28:09,455
is that she can make the living by sick.
595
00:28:11,493 --> 00:28:14,664
She... latched on to me.
596
00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:18,764
I was sweating and I felt, like, the fever.
597
00:28:18,766 --> 00:28:21,905
And I felt like I had, you know, a flu.
598
00:28:21,907 --> 00:28:23,841
[Breathes deeply]
599
00:28:23,843 --> 00:28:26,208
Oh. This is the...
one of the main reasons we're here,
600
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:28,211
because your health has deteriorated
601
00:28:28,213 --> 00:28:29,913
since she's moved in.
602
00:28:29,915 --> 00:28:33,251
Now you look at her,
she... she looks like the epitome of fit.
603
00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:34,453
- Right?
- Mm-hmm.
604
00:28:34,455 --> 00:28:36,488
And even the doctors, on paper, say you...
605
00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:37,689
there's nothing wrong.
606
00:28:37,691 --> 00:28:39,422
I look great on paper.
607
00:28:39,424 --> 00:28:42,893
But I just feel pains... migraines,
608
00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:45,062
random pain, sometimes out of the blue.
609
00:28:45,064 --> 00:28:46,230
Interesting.
610
00:28:46,232 --> 00:28:49,533
And what about severe anxiety,
hyperactivity,
611
00:28:49,535 --> 00:28:52,571
then feeling extremely drained?
612
00:28:52,573 --> 00:28:54,041
- I would say that's...
- Kelly has a lot of anxiety.
613
00:28:54,043 --> 00:28:55,845
that's actually more Kelly.
614
00:28:55,847 --> 00:28:58,680
That sound right, Kel?
615
00:28:58,682 --> 00:29:01,985
Yeah. [Chuckles nervously]
It's just hard to hear it.
616
00:29:01,987 --> 00:29:06,557
The living should not be at all
interacting with this female
617
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,592
because her energy is so severe
618
00:29:09,594 --> 00:29:13,030
and there's so much death
entangled in her energy.
619
00:29:13,032 --> 00:29:15,966
At one point, I almost had to stop the walk
620
00:29:15,968 --> 00:29:19,836
because I felt like I was gonna
have a [bleep] heart attack.
621
00:29:19,838 --> 00:29:25,806
Carol gets these intense
chest pains from time to time.
622
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:28,745
Told Rob about 'em. He took me to the E.R.
623
00:29:28,747 --> 00:29:31,180
Well, that's a smart move.
624
00:29:31,182 --> 00:29:32,980
So it is a real threat
625
00:29:32,982 --> 00:29:38,685
because she really can induce that.
626
00:29:38,687 --> 00:29:40,151
Wow.
627
00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:43,453
So that is making me very nervous.
628
00:29:43,455 --> 00:29:46,424
Now would the living be able to see her?
629
00:29:46,426 --> 00:29:51,262
Yes. They would see her
like a brown misty thing.
630
00:29:51,264 --> 00:29:54,799
I've seen it as the mist now.
631
00:29:54,801 --> 00:30:00,137
I've seen it as a, like,
2 to 3 foot mass upstairs,
632
00:30:00,139 --> 00:30:03,540
and I've seen it as a shadow figure walking.
633
00:30:03,542 --> 00:30:04,874
Wow.
634
00:30:04,876 --> 00:30:07,573
The other thing was,
the woman was talking about
635
00:30:07,575 --> 00:30:10,208
torturing this... this girl.
636
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:13,772
Uh, she was saying it was because
637
00:30:13,774 --> 00:30:19,043
she was disrespectful and
didn't have any manners,
638
00:30:19,045 --> 00:30:21,508
so she was trying to teach her a lesson.
639
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:24,279
She kind of looked like you.
640
00:30:25,516 --> 00:30:26,747
Yeah.
641
00:30:26,749 --> 00:30:28,981
Those words hit it right on the head,
I'd say.
642
00:30:28,983 --> 00:30:32,384
Yeah, our relationship deteriorated a lot
643
00:30:32,386 --> 00:30:34,051
for several years...
644
00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:36,018
- Mm-hmm.
- once we moved in here.
645
00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:40,086
And a lot of times,
Rob would... it made it difficult
646
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:43,321
because he would ask
perhaps what I perhaps did
647
00:30:43,323 --> 00:30:45,690
to set things off with Kelly.
648
00:30:45,692 --> 00:30:49,760
Do you feel like she was
being kind of different
649
00:30:49,762 --> 00:30:55,502
or overly controlling or
overly aggressive with you?
650
00:30:55,504 --> 00:30:58,105
Obviously,
you guys are being influenced like crazy
651
00:30:58,107 --> 00:30:59,672
by her.
652
00:30:59,674 --> 00:31:02,875
And it affected your marriage as well, right?
The whole thing?
653
00:31:02,877 --> 00:31:08,283
Un, during that time,
it affected the entire family.
654
00:31:08,285 --> 00:31:09,817
It came to the point
655
00:31:09,819 --> 00:31:12,118
where you guys actually asked her to leave.
656
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,389
Or basically told her to leave, right?
657
00:31:14,391 --> 00:31:15,725
CAROL: I didn't want to do it.
658
00:31:15,727 --> 00:31:17,893
[Sighs deeply]
659
00:31:17,895 --> 00:31:19,927
I-I love my daughter,
660
00:31:19,929 --> 00:31:22,164
but it was overwhelming.
661
00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:23,699
- Here, baby.
- [Sniffles]
662
00:31:23,701 --> 00:31:25,369
[Whispers] Thank you.
663
00:31:27,607 --> 00:31:31,012
Neither of them could figure
out a way to not escalate
664
00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:34,450
from the smallest argument to a big,
gigantic...
665
00:31:34,452 --> 00:31:35,719
nuclear war.
666
00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:38,221
And as the dad,
I was caught in the middle of it.
667
00:31:38,223 --> 00:31:41,125
It's just scary to think that, like...
668
00:31:41,127 --> 00:31:44,796
something you can't explain
or you can't really see,
669
00:31:44,798 --> 00:31:47,198
you don't know what it is,
can affect you that way.
670
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,466
Mm-hmm.
671
00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:54,903
So one of the things
672
00:31:54,905 --> 00:31:58,574
that this dead woman was indicating to me
673
00:31:58,576 --> 00:32:01,044
was that...
674
00:32:01,046 --> 00:32:04,648
she's being tortured by
another dead person here.
675
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:08,885
This deceased male,
she absolutely hates him.
676
00:32:08,887 --> 00:32:13,390
I saw him standing at the top of the stairs,
677
00:32:13,392 --> 00:32:16,427
by the master bedroom, just watching me.
678
00:32:16,429 --> 00:32:18,997
I could hear doors slamming.
679
00:32:18,999 --> 00:32:20,663
He does this.
680
00:32:20,665 --> 00:32:23,268
That happens a lot.
681
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:26,305
The other thing... um,
you would also see him
682
00:32:26,307 --> 00:32:29,540
as a large, black mist.
683
00:32:29,542 --> 00:32:34,581
And she came back and was
saying how she hated him.
684
00:32:34,583 --> 00:32:36,882
She's like, "He scratches people.
685
00:32:36,884 --> 00:32:39,688
He's worse because he scratches people.
He torments me."
686
00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:42,657
He's calling her a liar.
She's calling him a liar.
687
00:32:42,659 --> 00:32:46,396
You know,
I don't know who... who to b... who to believe.
688
00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:47,731
Well, your walk is nailing
689
00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,701
about everything that's
going on in this house.
690
00:32:50,703 --> 00:32:52,503
Rob, do me a favor
691
00:32:52,505 --> 00:32:54,640
and just tell Amy how you
think you got these marks.
692
00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:58,708
One morning, I came out of the shower
693
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,642
and I turned around, and Carol said,
694
00:33:00,644 --> 00:33:03,913
"You've got big scratches on your back.
How did that happen?"
695
00:33:03,915 --> 00:33:08,484
Could this thing also bruise?
Like, cause bruises?
696
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:12,389
Yeah. And the feeling of being shoved,
pushed, pulled,
697
00:33:12,391 --> 00:33:13,958
you know...
698
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,061
does that resonate with you?
699
00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:19,366
Tell Amy exactly what happened,
700
00:33:19,368 --> 00:33:21,569
because the way you described
it to me did not sound normal.
701
00:33:21,571 --> 00:33:23,104
Mnh-mnh.
702
00:33:23,106 --> 00:33:25,341
Lila, my daughter,
703
00:33:25,343 --> 00:33:28,143
we were going down the stairs
on that side of the house,
704
00:33:28,145 --> 00:33:31,182
and it literally looked like someone, like,
705
00:33:31,184 --> 00:33:33,187
put both hands, like,
on the back of her shoulders
706
00:33:33,189 --> 00:33:35,286
and shoved her down, and, like...
707
00:33:35,288 --> 00:33:39,992
she, like,
flipped and landed on her head on the stairs.
708
00:33:39,994 --> 00:33:42,595
I... completely lost it.
709
00:33:42,597 --> 00:33:48,067
That is probably coming from her.
710
00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:50,438
- It explains a lot, actually.
- A lot.
711
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,173
Yeah, a lot.
712
00:33:52,175 --> 00:33:56,612
Well, these two dead people
really hate each other.
713
00:33:56,614 --> 00:34:01,084
Unfortunately,
you guys get caught in the middle,
714
00:34:01,086 --> 00:34:05,858
and some physical trauma is
caused by them inadvertently.
715
00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:07,760
I had a-a sketch artist draw
716
00:34:07,762 --> 00:34:10,732
kind of an example of a situation,
717
00:34:10,734 --> 00:34:13,305
specifically in the master bedroom.
718
00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:22,187
[Drawing rustles]
719
00:34:22,189 --> 00:34:24,489
Oh, [bleep]. [Bleep].
720
00:34:24,491 --> 00:34:26,057
ROB: Holy crap.
721
00:34:30,495 --> 00:34:31,996
It's creepy.
722
00:34:31,998 --> 00:34:33,868
Kinda makes you feel sick.
723
00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:37,106
STEVE: Now how would they feel
724
00:34:37,108 --> 00:34:38,672
with them two fight...
the two dead fighting...
725
00:34:38,674 --> 00:34:41,109
Just like when I'm... like, they would feel,
726
00:34:41,111 --> 00:34:43,677
you know, unsettled, uncomfortable, anxious.
727
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,245
It would kinda explain why I don't...
728
00:34:46,247 --> 00:34:48,449
I don't feel at rest.
729
00:34:48,451 --> 00:34:49,951
I'm never comfortable.
730
00:34:49,953 --> 00:34:52,754
I always feel like there's eyes on me.
731
00:34:52,756 --> 00:34:53,987
Mm-hmm.
732
00:34:53,989 --> 00:34:55,653
Now did get anything from
when they were alive?
733
00:34:55,655 --> 00:34:59,825
They somehow knew each other
when they were both alive.
734
00:35:01,061 --> 00:35:05,129
He always... felt that she was a bitch,
735
00:35:05,131 --> 00:35:07,197
that she was very mean to people.
736
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,966
But, you know,
she definitely has a fear of him
737
00:35:10,968 --> 00:35:13,801
because he beat her when she was alive.
738
00:35:13,803 --> 00:35:16,601
Well, listening to
everything you had to say,
739
00:35:16,603 --> 00:35:18,803
I kinda have an idea already
who you're talking about.
740
00:35:18,805 --> 00:35:22,041
In 1929, Andrew and Bessie Fedyck
741
00:35:22,043 --> 00:35:25,611
moved into your house with their kids.
742
00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:29,381
Andrew was a laborer and rumored
to be a pretty bad drunk.
743
00:35:29,383 --> 00:35:31,383
There is evidence that suggests
744
00:35:31,385 --> 00:35:33,586
that he may have been
pretty abusive as well.
745
00:35:33,588 --> 00:35:36,988
On January 3, 1939,
746
00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:39,927
Andrew came home drunk and
got into an altercation,
747
00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:41,697
and his son came home... Michael.
748
00:35:41,699 --> 00:35:45,798
And the fight he got into
with his son escalated
749
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,037
where Andrew had a knife
and tried to attack his son.
750
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,775
Michael was able to get the knife away,
751
00:35:51,777 --> 00:35:56,011
and Andrew turned his rage
towards his wife Bessie.
752
00:35:56,013 --> 00:35:59,381
Now she picks up a 12 gauge shotgun
753
00:35:59,383 --> 00:36:01,182
and begs him to stop.
754
00:36:01,184 --> 00:36:03,884
He continues coming at her...
755
00:36:03,886 --> 00:36:08,059
and she fires one round...
12 gauge shotgun...
756
00:36:08,061 --> 00:36:09,493
into his chest.
757
00:36:09,495 --> 00:36:11,094
[Whispers] Wow.
758
00:36:11,096 --> 00:36:13,395
STEVE:
That happened right here in this house.
759
00:36:13,397 --> 00:36:15,163
Wow.
760
00:36:15,165 --> 00:36:17,430
I have his death certificate here.
761
00:36:17,432 --> 00:36:20,202
Now this homicide was front page news.
762
00:36:20,204 --> 00:36:23,602
I actually have an article
about what happened.
763
00:36:25,538 --> 00:36:27,739
Bessie was immediately arrested.
764
00:36:27,741 --> 00:36:30,173
She testifies at the grand jury,
765
00:36:30,175 --> 00:36:32,141
and they don't indict her.
766
00:36:32,143 --> 00:36:33,642
Self-defense?
767
00:36:33,644 --> 00:36:34,909
Yeah, basically.
768
00:36:34,911 --> 00:36:37,977
You know,
in my experience working domestic violence
769
00:36:37,979 --> 00:36:40,313
for over 20 years on the streets,
770
00:36:40,315 --> 00:36:41,915
this is not something that just happened.
771
00:36:41,917 --> 00:36:45,247
This was abuse going on for years.
772
00:36:45,249 --> 00:36:47,616
This may sound just ridiculous,
773
00:36:47,618 --> 00:36:53,351
but I was actually hoping
that there was something...
774
00:36:53,353 --> 00:36:54,518
factual that could explain
775
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,823
a lot of this nutsy stuff that's going on.
776
00:36:56,825 --> 00:36:59,993
I'm just shocked,
and that they're still fighting
777
00:36:59,995 --> 00:37:01,161
and it's still happening
778
00:37:01,163 --> 00:37:02,662
and they're still influencing people.
779
00:37:06,705 --> 00:37:08,805
STEVE: So anything else?
780
00:37:08,807 --> 00:37:10,172
Just a quick question.
781
00:37:10,174 --> 00:37:11,607
I mean, did you spend a
lot of time in the barn
782
00:37:11,609 --> 00:37:14,744
or around the barn when you were younger?
783
00:37:14,746 --> 00:37:16,880
Um, yeah, 'cause we had horses.
784
00:37:16,882 --> 00:37:19,216
- Okay. I got it.
- [Paper rustles]
785
00:37:19,218 --> 00:37:22,621
[Whispers] Okay.
786
00:37:22,623 --> 00:37:25,490
There's something else that's
also influencing this area,
787
00:37:25,492 --> 00:37:28,027
and... and that might have something to do
788
00:37:28,029 --> 00:37:30,129
with what happened here.
789
00:37:30,131 --> 00:37:32,563
I was drawn right to the barn,
790
00:37:32,565 --> 00:37:35,167
and the dead lady actually wrapped her...
791
00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:38,105
her arms around my waist and pulled me back.
792
00:37:38,107 --> 00:37:41,139
And she's like,
"You don't wanna go in there."
793
00:37:42,475 --> 00:37:44,043
And she goes, "You know,
if you go in that barn,
794
00:37:44,045 --> 00:37:46,245
you're gonna die."
795
00:37:46,247 --> 00:37:48,179
I did feel very unnerved.
796
00:37:48,181 --> 00:37:50,247
She was telling me that, um,
797
00:37:50,249 --> 00:37:52,184
there was something in the barn, uh,
798
00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:54,487
that has done a great deal of harm,
799
00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,753
that it absolutely was not good.
800
00:37:56,755 --> 00:38:00,355
What I saw was like this small black ball.
801
00:38:01,857 --> 00:38:03,090
And then I saw it, like,
802
00:38:03,092 --> 00:38:05,592
kind of go into, like, a snake form.
803
00:38:05,594 --> 00:38:08,429
It did then take the shape
804
00:38:08,431 --> 00:38:12,399
of a very solid kind of shadow person,
805
00:38:12,401 --> 00:38:13,632
but it's not a shadow person.
806
00:38:15,868 --> 00:38:17,669
What I would call it is a demon.
807
00:38:20,772 --> 00:38:22,372
[Bleep].
808
00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:36,586
It did take the shape
809
00:38:36,588 --> 00:38:40,823
of a very solid kind of shadow person,
810
00:38:40,825 --> 00:38:42,158
but it's not a shadow person.
811
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,267
What I would call it is a demon.
812
00:38:50,804 --> 00:38:52,337
[Bleep].
813
00:38:52,339 --> 00:38:54,573
The thing is, is that by you being, like,
814
00:38:54,575 --> 00:38:56,943
so out there all the time,
815
00:38:56,945 --> 00:38:58,978
like, it's something
that could've absolutely
816
00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:00,314
influenced your behavior
817
00:39:00,316 --> 00:39:03,451
and could've taken over slightly even.
818
00:39:03,453 --> 00:39:08,224
Uh, it is something that could
have influenced these people.
819
00:39:13,802 --> 00:39:15,469
[Sniffles]
820
00:39:17,172 --> 00:39:18,373
[Sniffles]
821
00:39:18,375 --> 00:39:20,275
Not feeling good about
what's going on right now.
822
00:39:20,277 --> 00:39:21,376
No.
823
00:39:21,378 --> 00:39:23,780
It's like Grand Central Station for evil.
824
00:39:23,782 --> 00:39:27,280
Its mission here is to destroy
as many people as possible.
825
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:28,547
[Bleep].
826
00:39:28,549 --> 00:39:31,784
Now do you think the demon in the barn
827
00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:33,186
was attached to Kelly?
828
00:39:33,188 --> 00:39:34,721
- Yes, I think it was.
- You do.
829
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:40,330
Well, Lila spends a lot of time by the barn.
830
00:39:40,332 --> 00:39:44,233
Al the time. She loves following the cats.
831
00:39:44,235 --> 00:39:45,800
I think I'm in shock.
832
00:39:49,873 --> 00:39:51,974
Well, guys,
your family's been plagued with questions
833
00:39:51,976 --> 00:39:53,709
for years now.
834
00:39:53,711 --> 00:39:54,744
Why have you been so sick, Carol?
835
00:39:54,746 --> 00:39:56,980
Why did you act out, Kelly?
836
00:39:56,982 --> 00:39:59,517
And, Rob, you know, why you got scratched.
837
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,018
At least you have answers now.
838
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:03,854
But the big question is, can you stay here
839
00:40:03,856 --> 00:40:06,055
in a calm, peaceful environment
840
00:40:06,057 --> 00:40:07,390
and live your lives happily
841
00:40:07,392 --> 00:40:10,458
and have you granddaughter
come over and be safe?
842
00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:12,760
For that answer,
I'm gonna turn it over to my partner Amy
843
00:40:12,762 --> 00:40:14,396
and see if she has a resolution for us.
844
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,936
There are several things that you need to do
845
00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:21,504
in order to make this a safer environment.
846
00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:28,277
So in order to remove the
demon in the barn area,
847
00:40:28,279 --> 00:40:31,986
I would like there to be a
Catholic priest who comes in.
848
00:40:31,988 --> 00:40:37,392
He's going to do an exorcism
of the barn and the property.
849
00:40:37,394 --> 00:40:42,500
He does need to make a very firm statement
850
00:40:42,502 --> 00:40:45,535
that he is not including
851
00:40:45,537 --> 00:40:50,041
the removal of any dead people
852
00:40:50,043 --> 00:40:51,676
from this location.
853
00:40:51,678 --> 00:40:56,949
So my hope is that he actually
gets rid of this thing,
854
00:40:56,951 --> 00:40:58,478
but he may not.
855
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,549
Uh, he may just get rid
of it from your property.
856
00:41:03,551 --> 00:41:07,784
The next day, I want there to
be a physical medium that comes
857
00:41:07,786 --> 00:41:11,481
to remove the deceased male
and female from the house.
858
00:41:11,483 --> 00:41:13,417
It could take several days,
859
00:41:13,419 --> 00:41:15,514
uh, for it to happen
860
00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:18,517
just because there's going
to be a lot of arguing
861
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:23,822
between the medium and probably
both of the dead people.
862
00:41:23,824 --> 00:41:25,389
Now with all that said and done,
863
00:41:25,391 --> 00:41:27,325
will she start feeling better and...
864
00:41:27,327 --> 00:41:29,828
Yes. The difference will be insane.
[Chuckles]
865
00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:33,865
It'll be a huge, huge difference.
866
00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:38,671
We're all highly motivated
to move all this on.
867
00:41:38,673 --> 00:41:41,039
It'd be so nice to be able to come home
868
00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,042
and feel like it's a home,
869
00:41:43,044 --> 00:41:45,715
because I don't have that feeling.
870
00:41:47,284 --> 00:41:49,417
It's nice to have some answers.
871
00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:52,553
Kinda gives you some closure
to that chapter of your life.
872
00:41:52,555 --> 00:41:55,626
AMY: I really hope Carol
and Rob follow my advice
873
00:41:55,628 --> 00:41:58,627
and deal with the entities
terrorizing their family.
874
00:41:58,629 --> 00:42:00,629
With the help of a priest and a medium,
875
00:42:00,631 --> 00:42:02,032
they should be able to free themselves
876
00:42:02,034 --> 00:42:04,703
of the darkness surrounding their home.
877
00:42:04,753 --> 00:42:09,303
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