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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,281 --> 00:00:14,220 It hurts to be in here. 2 00:00:15,628 --> 00:00:18,291 I don't know how to protect my family. 3 00:00:18,293 --> 00:00:21,286 AMY: If you go in that barn, you're gonna die. 4 00:00:21,288 --> 00:00:22,929 I hate this house. 5 00:00:22,931 --> 00:00:25,442 I love my house, but I love my family more. 6 00:00:25,444 --> 00:00:27,862 Ow! [Bleep]! 7 00:00:27,864 --> 00:00:29,068 This is worse than a prison. 8 00:00:29,070 --> 00:00:31,288 That's very, very, very bad 9 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:32,696 and there's blood. 10 00:00:32,698 --> 00:00:36,388 I think that the living are caught in a war zone. 11 00:00:36,390 --> 00:00:39,410 "You're mine. You can't escape." 12 00:00:39,412 --> 00:00:42,627 My name is Amy Allan. 13 00:00:42,629 --> 00:00:44,735 [Crying] What's happening? 14 00:00:44,737 --> 00:00:45,841 I see dead people. 15 00:00:45,843 --> 00:00:48,290 It seems like a devil. 16 00:00:48,292 --> 00:00:50,778 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:50,780 --> 00:00:51,948 He's pissed off. 18 00:00:51,950 --> 00:00:53,117 And they speak to me. 19 00:00:53,119 --> 00:00:55,290 I felt real fear. 20 00:00:55,292 --> 00:00:58,279 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 21 00:00:58,281 --> 00:01:00,295 I think she's being murdered. 22 00:01:00,297 --> 00:01:01,906 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:01,908 --> 00:01:03,177 I'm Steve Di Schiavi. 24 00:01:03,179 --> 00:01:05,185 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 25 00:01:05,187 --> 00:01:07,295 Serial killer pops in my head. 26 00:01:07,297 --> 00:01:10,497 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 27 00:01:10,499 --> 00:01:11,698 Nobody believes me. 28 00:01:11,700 --> 00:01:13,168 It's my job to reveal them. 29 00:01:13,170 --> 00:01:15,449 - Do you think there's still bodies there? - I do. 30 00:01:15,451 --> 00:01:17,195 But Steve and I never speak... 31 00:01:17,197 --> 00:01:19,235 We never communicate during an investigation. 32 00:01:19,237 --> 00:01:20,439 ...until the very end. 33 00:01:20,441 --> 00:01:22,215 You got problems. I got news for you. 34 00:01:22,217 --> 00:01:24,428 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 35 00:01:24,430 --> 00:01:26,508 This is our house, whether they like it or not. 36 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:28,279 Or time to get out. 37 00:01:28,281 --> 00:01:30,487 This is their house, the house of the dead. 38 00:01:30,511 --> 00:01:35,440 - Sync and corrected by TheDelta - - www.addic7ed.com - 39 00:01:45,495 --> 00:01:47,464 I'm in Chester Springs, Pennsylvania. 40 00:01:47,466 --> 00:01:50,638 It's an upscale community about 40 minutes outside of Philly. 41 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,316 Amy and I were called in by a woman named Carol. 42 00:01:53,318 --> 00:01:57,189 Now she told me the activity in her dream home is so bad 43 00:01:57,191 --> 00:01:59,660 it's ruining her health and tearing her family apart. 44 00:01:59,662 --> 00:02:01,499 She got real emotional on the phone 45 00:02:01,501 --> 00:02:02,870 and begged us to come out. 46 00:02:02,872 --> 00:02:04,806 She says we're her last hope. 47 00:02:08,913 --> 00:02:10,282 MATT: Before Amy arrives, 48 00:02:10,284 --> 00:02:14,420 I look for anything that might influence her findings. 49 00:02:14,422 --> 00:02:17,359 This house has a lot of family photos. 50 00:02:17,361 --> 00:02:19,262 Once they're covered or removed, 51 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:21,932 the location will be ready for tonight's walk. 52 00:02:33,854 --> 00:02:35,888 AMY: I think I'm feeling, like, sick. 53 00:02:35,890 --> 00:02:38,260 I have a fever. 54 00:02:38,262 --> 00:02:41,102 Hot and cold at the same time 55 00:02:41,104 --> 00:02:43,538 and heart's pounding. 56 00:02:43,540 --> 00:02:45,739 I'm also getting this woman. 57 00:02:45,741 --> 00:02:48,243 I think she causes...[Scoffs] 58 00:02:48,245 --> 00:02:51,146 sickness and, um, 59 00:02:51,148 --> 00:02:52,647 extreme nausea. 60 00:02:52,649 --> 00:02:55,453 But she always is moving all over the [bleep] place. 61 00:02:57,359 --> 00:02:59,160 She literally looks like a [bleep] blur. 62 00:02:59,162 --> 00:03:01,031 And she likes to move things around. 63 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:04,304 Redecorating is what she thinks she's doing. 64 00:03:04,306 --> 00:03:06,708 And she's very strange-looking. 65 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:09,849 She has spider arms and spider legs, 66 00:03:09,851 --> 00:03:12,589 and then her head is more... just, like, a skull. 67 00:03:12,591 --> 00:03:14,725 She's scary and she scares people. 68 00:03:25,507 --> 00:03:26,640 Uh, so, Carol, I'm glad I'm here. 69 00:03:26,642 --> 00:03:28,611 You sounded really upset on the phone 70 00:03:28,613 --> 00:03:30,380 and it sounds like you're going through a tough time. 71 00:03:30,382 --> 00:03:33,350 Yeah, I called you in 'cause I really need help. 72 00:03:33,352 --> 00:03:36,723 I'm concerned for our physical safety, 73 00:03:36,725 --> 00:03:38,294 emotional safety, 74 00:03:38,296 --> 00:03:41,064 and I don't know how to protect my family. 75 00:03:41,066 --> 00:03:42,666 Now how long have you lived here? 76 00:03:42,668 --> 00:03:44,335 12 years. 77 00:03:44,337 --> 00:03:45,938 Now who lives in the house with you now? 78 00:03:45,940 --> 00:03:47,742 My husband and my son. 79 00:03:47,744 --> 00:03:52,847 My daughter, who's in college, used to, uh, be here. 80 00:03:52,849 --> 00:03:55,551 And the older daughter lives about 20 minutes away 81 00:03:55,553 --> 00:03:56,887 with her daughter. 82 00:03:56,889 --> 00:03:58,923 Now tell me what's going on in the house. 83 00:03:58,925 --> 00:04:02,695 Noises, things being moved around, 84 00:04:02,697 --> 00:04:05,568 seeing shadows, 85 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:10,471 and I definitely think it impacts how you feel. 86 00:04:10,473 --> 00:04:13,307 Within the first year of living here, 87 00:04:13,309 --> 00:04:15,541 I ended up getting sick... 88 00:04:15,543 --> 00:04:17,176 uh, fibromyalgia, 89 00:04:17,178 --> 00:04:19,947 chronic fatigue, migraines. 90 00:04:19,949 --> 00:04:22,283 You seem to think it has to do with the house. 91 00:04:22,285 --> 00:04:23,917 I think it can all be tied in. 92 00:04:23,919 --> 00:04:26,721 Doctors, when they would test, would say I look great on paper. 93 00:04:26,723 --> 00:04:28,989 Okay, 'cause to look at you, you look healthy. 94 00:04:28,991 --> 00:04:31,190 Why don't you just move? 95 00:04:31,192 --> 00:04:34,026 It's our home, and I don't wanna leave. 96 00:04:34,028 --> 00:04:38,629 But I'm very fearful for my family, for my kids, 97 00:04:38,631 --> 00:04:41,064 and my grandchild. 98 00:04:44,568 --> 00:04:48,100 AMY: The living, yeah, they totally see her, 99 00:04:48,102 --> 00:04:50,099 the woman from outside. 100 00:04:50,101 --> 00:04:51,401 I think they see her, like... 101 00:04:51,403 --> 00:04:53,237 - like if the light was shining on her... - Right. 102 00:04:53,239 --> 00:04:54,806 and then there's a shadow. 103 00:04:56,073 --> 00:04:57,971 Oh, she's goes [bleep] nuts in here, man. 104 00:04:59,372 --> 00:05:02,574 She really makes you not feel good, 105 00:05:02,576 --> 00:05:05,576 and the thing heart and the...fever. 106 00:05:05,578 --> 00:05:08,981 You know, she just does... it's terrible. 107 00:05:08,983 --> 00:05:10,350 She has too much energy. 108 00:05:10,352 --> 00:05:11,952 What does that do to the living? 109 00:05:11,954 --> 00:05:14,283 Probably give you a heart attack. Mm-hmm. 110 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:21,951 STEVE: Okay, Carol, so why are we up in this part of the house? 111 00:05:21,953 --> 00:05:24,886 Upstairs here is when I first came face-to-face 112 00:05:24,888 --> 00:05:26,887 with a black mass. 113 00:05:26,889 --> 00:05:29,655 Came up to about my waist level. 114 00:05:29,657 --> 00:05:31,992 I came up on it from behind, 115 00:05:31,994 --> 00:05:35,529 and the top of it turned around and looked at me. 116 00:05:35,531 --> 00:05:37,998 Okay, have... have you seen it again? 117 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,701 I've seen a shadow figure. 118 00:05:39,703 --> 00:05:43,205 I think it's the same thing. It's just in a different form. 119 00:05:43,207 --> 00:05:47,811 More like a male adult, around 6-feet-9. 120 00:05:47,813 --> 00:05:49,413 Now is anything else going on? 121 00:05:49,415 --> 00:05:50,746 One of the things is that 122 00:05:50,748 --> 00:05:52,747 the door will just close on its own. 123 00:05:52,749 --> 00:05:55,815 You're talking about these doors right here? 124 00:05:55,817 --> 00:05:57,050 Just... [Door creaks] 125 00:05:57,052 --> 00:05:58,852 - outta nowhere? - Yes. 126 00:05:58,854 --> 00:06:00,388 Do you hear it? 127 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:04,228 No. You don't hear it closing, you don't hear it latching shut, 128 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:05,561 but it's closed. 129 00:06:05,563 --> 00:06:07,830 Okay. Now what about it being on a tilt? 130 00:06:07,832 --> 00:06:09,732 This is not off-kilter or anything? 131 00:06:09,734 --> 00:06:12,706 No. It has a latch handle, so you think you would hear it. 132 00:06:12,708 --> 00:06:14,807 [Latch clicking] 133 00:06:14,809 --> 00:06:16,107 [Door creaks] 134 00:06:16,109 --> 00:06:18,379 Like that. You'd hear that. You would hear that. 135 00:06:18,381 --> 00:06:19,713 I can't explain it. 136 00:06:19,715 --> 00:06:20,914 Well, that's gotta scare the hell outta ya, 137 00:06:20,916 --> 00:06:22,382 you turn around and see the door closed. 138 00:06:22,384 --> 00:06:24,250 Yeah, I don't sleep very well. 139 00:06:28,723 --> 00:06:32,195 There's somebody else in the house, uh, 140 00:06:32,197 --> 00:06:35,533 that the woman from outside doesn't like. 141 00:06:35,535 --> 00:06:38,399 Uh, and I think he kinda torments her a little bit. 142 00:06:38,401 --> 00:06:40,401 [Door creaks] He is... 143 00:06:40,403 --> 00:06:42,739 always looking for her 144 00:06:42,741 --> 00:06:45,542 and won't let her alone. 145 00:06:46,878 --> 00:06:50,921 She says that dude is up the stairs. 146 00:06:50,923 --> 00:06:53,355 He's like a bull in a china shop. 147 00:06:54,188 --> 00:06:58,795 He's not aware of, you know, his strength. 148 00:06:58,797 --> 00:07:03,200 He's like, you think about a door, and a door slams... 149 00:07:03,202 --> 00:07:04,703 and then all the [bleep] doors slam. 150 00:07:04,705 --> 00:07:07,003 But it's not like he meant to. 151 00:07:07,005 --> 00:07:09,504 Do you know how he might appear to the living? 152 00:07:09,506 --> 00:07:13,808 I think they see him a like a big black mist. 153 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:17,079 They might see him, like, hovering over them, 154 00:07:17,081 --> 00:07:19,315 like, lurking in the corner. 155 00:07:19,317 --> 00:07:21,349 He's like, "I'm trying to take care of that [bleep]. 156 00:07:21,351 --> 00:07:23,486 I'm trying to [bleep] control her ass." 157 00:07:23,488 --> 00:07:25,891 Uh, he says that she causes all the problems. 158 00:07:25,893 --> 00:07:28,125 All the problems. Not him. It's her. 159 00:07:33,365 --> 00:07:36,466 Sure as [bleep] wants to break things. 160 00:07:36,468 --> 00:07:38,301 She doesn't wanna [bleep] be here anymore. 161 00:07:38,303 --> 00:07:40,971 She's tired of the [bleep] crazy-ass guy who's here, 162 00:07:40,973 --> 00:07:42,439 [bleep] tortures her. 163 00:07:42,441 --> 00:07:44,172 Uh, so she gets out occasionally. 164 00:07:44,174 --> 00:07:46,542 Uh, but then, you know, she ends up back here, 165 00:07:46,544 --> 00:07:50,013 and then there he is, and she's upset. 166 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,687 STEVE: Okay. 167 00:08:00,689 --> 00:08:02,289 You had an experience here? 168 00:08:02,291 --> 00:08:05,826 CAROL: Yeah. At one point, I did have horses. Okay. 169 00:08:05,828 --> 00:08:09,432 So to help with, uh, mice that come in with the food grain, 170 00:08:09,434 --> 00:08:11,466 I had purchased some cats. 171 00:08:11,468 --> 00:08:12,800 And to keep the wildlife out, 172 00:08:12,802 --> 00:08:14,803 we would put cat food in a container. 173 00:08:14,805 --> 00:08:16,305 And to make sure they couldn't get into that, 174 00:08:16,307 --> 00:08:19,007 we put a cinder block on top. Okay, what happened? 175 00:08:19,009 --> 00:08:21,276 One time, my son came out to feed the cats. 176 00:08:21,278 --> 00:08:23,578 One of our cats was dead within the bin. 177 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:25,413 Inside the bin? 178 00:08:25,415 --> 00:08:27,484 And the cinder block was on top. 179 00:08:27,486 --> 00:08:28,885 Okay. He must've been shocked when he saw that. 180 00:08:28,887 --> 00:08:30,387 Yeah. Me, too. 181 00:08:30,389 --> 00:08:32,021 It just floored me. 182 00:08:32,023 --> 00:08:34,489 Is there any chance the cat jumped in before he closed it 183 00:08:34,491 --> 00:08:36,757 and didn't see the cat and maybe suffocated this thing? 184 00:08:36,759 --> 00:08:38,492 It's not a real deep food bin. 185 00:08:38,494 --> 00:08:40,694 All right, so he would've seen the cat. He would've seen it. 186 00:08:40,696 --> 00:08:42,027 Well, I got news for you. 187 00:08:42,029 --> 00:08:44,864 - If that's supernatural, you got a problem. - Yeah. 188 00:08:44,866 --> 00:08:46,034 I know you got issues here, but what are you... 189 00:08:46,036 --> 00:08:47,202 what are you trying to get out 190 00:08:47,204 --> 00:08:48,571 of the investigation we're gonna do? 191 00:08:48,573 --> 00:08:50,271 I need to find out what's going on here 192 00:08:50,273 --> 00:08:52,907 for the safety of my family. 193 00:08:52,909 --> 00:08:55,743 I think whatever this entity is, 194 00:08:55,745 --> 00:08:58,513 it can impact people's personalities, 195 00:08:58,515 --> 00:09:01,214 like the behavior of Kelly in the past. 196 00:09:01,216 --> 00:09:03,416 - Kelly's your daughter? - Kelly's my daughter. 197 00:09:03,418 --> 00:09:05,453 What are we talking about? What kind of behavior? 198 00:09:05,455 --> 00:09:09,556 When we moved in here, she became just atrocious... 199 00:09:09,558 --> 00:09:11,592 the things that she would say 200 00:09:11,594 --> 00:09:14,896 and her physical violence against me. 201 00:09:14,898 --> 00:09:16,164 It was almost as if 202 00:09:16,166 --> 00:09:17,967 it wasn't even my daughter saying the things she was 203 00:09:17,969 --> 00:09:20,137 and doing the things she was. 204 00:09:20,139 --> 00:09:21,305 But why do you think that's paranormal 205 00:09:21,307 --> 00:09:23,238 and not just teenage nonsense? 206 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,675 Well, because when she then moved out of the house... 207 00:09:25,677 --> 00:09:29,513 we actually asked her to leave because her personality, 208 00:09:29,515 --> 00:09:32,983 the way she was acting jeopardized my marriage, 209 00:09:32,985 --> 00:09:36,017 jeopardized the rest of the children in the house. 210 00:09:36,019 --> 00:09:37,184 Okay. 211 00:09:37,186 --> 00:09:38,418 And when we asked her to leave, 212 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:41,119 then she's done a complete turnaround. 213 00:09:41,121 --> 00:09:42,387 Really? 214 00:09:42,389 --> 00:09:44,388 No more explosive outbursts. 215 00:09:44,390 --> 00:09:46,255 It's completely different. 216 00:09:49,826 --> 00:09:52,795 [Door creaks] 217 00:09:52,797 --> 00:09:55,265 I'm feeling that same woman. 218 00:09:55,267 --> 00:09:59,166 Something, uh, she, uh... 219 00:09:59,168 --> 00:10:00,499 She has been saying, 220 00:10:00,501 --> 00:10:03,366 "Oh, don't go in there 'cause you'll all die! 221 00:10:03,368 --> 00:10:05,068 You'll all die!" 222 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:08,006 She's saying there's something in here that's, uh, 223 00:10:08,008 --> 00:10:09,172 not good. 224 00:10:09,174 --> 00:10:10,505 It's done harm. 225 00:10:11,841 --> 00:10:15,647 She thinks that no one can take care of this. 226 00:10:15,649 --> 00:10:18,582 [Scoffs] That's very, very, very bad. 227 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:20,486 It's been here a long time. 228 00:10:20,488 --> 00:10:22,987 This thing is, uh... 229 00:10:22,989 --> 00:10:24,222 a blob. 230 00:10:24,224 --> 00:10:26,158 It came... 231 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,393 like a snake 232 00:10:28,395 --> 00:10:30,325 that, uh... 233 00:10:30,327 --> 00:10:33,360 may be influencing people. 234 00:10:33,362 --> 00:10:35,431 Because it talks to them? 235 00:10:36,367 --> 00:10:39,370 It's made a lot of people... 236 00:10:39,372 --> 00:10:40,504 angry. 237 00:10:40,506 --> 00:10:42,807 It can make you do bad things. 238 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:44,843 But it does... it causes damage. 239 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:46,108 [Whispers] A lot of damage. 240 00:10:46,110 --> 00:10:48,005 I don't like it in here. 241 00:10:48,007 --> 00:10:50,775 It hurts to be in here. 242 00:11:12,172 --> 00:11:13,904 So, Rob, I was talking to your wife, 243 00:11:13,906 --> 00:11:16,442 and, uh, it was upsetting listening to her. 244 00:11:16,444 --> 00:11:18,444 So, uh, how you taking all this? 245 00:11:18,446 --> 00:11:19,843 It's been very stressful. 246 00:11:19,845 --> 00:11:22,413 I'm an engineer, so, you know, I believe in science 247 00:11:22,415 --> 00:11:24,915 and I look for facts and I look for proof. 248 00:11:24,917 --> 00:11:27,719 Things just kept happening and happening that 249 00:11:27,721 --> 00:11:29,489 I really couldn't explain. 250 00:11:29,491 --> 00:11:31,827 It's very disconcerting, and especially because of 251 00:11:31,829 --> 00:11:34,793 all the different kinds of things that have happened. 252 00:11:34,795 --> 00:11:37,094 Have you had any experiences while you've been here? 253 00:11:37,096 --> 00:11:39,031 I've heard footsteps. 254 00:11:39,033 --> 00:11:42,067 Laying in bed, I've heard things outside in the hallway. 255 00:11:42,069 --> 00:11:43,202 Now the footsteps... you sure it wasn't 256 00:11:43,204 --> 00:11:44,872 - one of the kids walking around? - Yeah. 257 00:11:44,874 --> 00:11:46,041 Positive? 258 00:11:46,043 --> 00:11:47,611 Yeah. Sure. Positive. Absolutely. 259 00:11:47,613 --> 00:11:49,215 Okay, so now anything else happen to you? 260 00:11:49,217 --> 00:11:52,715 I had an episode where I woke up in the morning, 261 00:11:52,717 --> 00:11:55,953 took a shower, and my back burned. 262 00:11:55,955 --> 00:11:59,526 And I felt to the back, and I had scratches on my back. 263 00:11:59,528 --> 00:12:03,396 And my wife said, "You have big gouges on your back." 264 00:12:03,398 --> 00:12:06,500 And she actually ended up taking a picture of 'em. 265 00:12:06,502 --> 00:12:09,236 This is your back? That's my back. 266 00:12:09,238 --> 00:12:12,204 Show me where these scratches would've been 267 00:12:12,206 --> 00:12:14,072 and how you could've did it. 268 00:12:14,074 --> 00:12:16,975 It would've been... 269 00:12:16,977 --> 00:12:19,343 like...right here. 270 00:12:19,345 --> 00:12:21,379 I-I mean... And I would've had to, essentially, 271 00:12:21,381 --> 00:12:23,847 - just do like that. - Oh, I see where it was. 272 00:12:23,849 --> 00:12:26,350 It was, like, right into the meaty part of my back. 273 00:12:26,352 --> 00:12:27,751 It is possible? Yeah. 274 00:12:27,753 --> 00:12:30,220 But it's kinda pushing it that you did it yourself. 275 00:12:30,222 --> 00:12:32,855 I mean, it's almost like you were in a straitjacket. 276 00:12:32,857 --> 00:12:34,724 What do you think is going on in this house? 277 00:12:34,726 --> 00:12:37,058 There's some sort of... 278 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:39,729 uh... haunting. 279 00:12:39,731 --> 00:12:42,897 You know, I love my house, but I love my family more. 280 00:12:42,899 --> 00:12:45,766 And I'll... if I... if I need to move, I'll move. 281 00:12:49,669 --> 00:12:52,238 AMY: She's pissed. Oh, she's pissed. 282 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:52,747 [Exhales deeply] 283 00:12:52,947 --> 00:12:54,447 _ 284 00:12:55,210 --> 00:12:57,577 He keeps saying he doesn't mean to hurt anybody. 285 00:12:57,579 --> 00:13:00,079 I think he, like, cuts people. 286 00:13:01,914 --> 00:13:04,148 That's what sh... wait. 287 00:13:04,150 --> 00:13:06,184 I think that's what she's saying. 288 00:13:06,186 --> 00:13:09,123 So who the [bleep] knows who's cuttin' who? 289 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:11,726 I'm caught in the middle of a war 290 00:13:11,728 --> 00:13:13,759 between the dead man and woman. 291 00:13:13,761 --> 00:13:15,993 Both are telling me completely different stories, 292 00:13:15,995 --> 00:13:19,260 and it's impossible to know who's telling the truth. 293 00:13:19,262 --> 00:13:22,595 He's like, "I'm the one trying to protect." 294 00:13:22,597 --> 00:13:25,200 He tries to stop her from doing her crazy [bleep]. 295 00:13:25,202 --> 00:13:28,342 He's more... worried about her, 296 00:13:28,344 --> 00:13:33,917 because she physically effects the living. 297 00:13:37,754 --> 00:13:41,223 That's what he's trying to stop. 298 00:13:41,225 --> 00:13:45,093 He feels like the problems he causes 299 00:13:45,095 --> 00:13:48,731 are far less than if he was not here 300 00:13:48,733 --> 00:13:51,568 and she was running amok. 301 00:13:58,868 --> 00:14:00,567 So, Kelly, I'm glad I got a chance to speak to you. 302 00:14:00,569 --> 00:14:02,068 I was talking to mom, 303 00:14:02,070 --> 00:14:03,670 and she told me you were having a... 304 00:14:03,672 --> 00:14:05,438 kind of a tough time in this house. 305 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,376 I hate this house. Hate it. It's just negative. 306 00:14:09,378 --> 00:14:11,606 But she thought that 307 00:14:11,608 --> 00:14:14,342 whatever's in this house definitely influenced you. 308 00:14:14,344 --> 00:14:16,546 I think it had an influence. 309 00:14:16,548 --> 00:14:18,781 We were always just at each others' necks. 310 00:14:18,783 --> 00:14:21,685 Even the little mistakes would turn into a total blowup. 311 00:14:21,687 --> 00:14:24,353 - You got violent. - Yeah. It was bad. 312 00:14:24,355 --> 00:14:26,222 Sometimes you just get so mad and, like, black out 313 00:14:26,224 --> 00:14:28,994 and not really be able to put 2 and 2 together 314 00:14:28,996 --> 00:14:31,365 about what just happened. 315 00:14:31,367 --> 00:14:32,633 Let me just ask you. Do you think it was the house 316 00:14:32,635 --> 00:14:34,735 and what's in this house that did it to you? 317 00:14:34,737 --> 00:14:35,971 Or do you think it was just 318 00:14:35,973 --> 00:14:37,273 you were being a pain in the ass teenager? 319 00:14:37,275 --> 00:14:40,441 Um, 100% believe with everything in me 320 00:14:40,443 --> 00:14:42,779 that there is something here. 321 00:14:45,383 --> 00:14:49,119 She's telling me everything that she does, uh, to people. 322 00:14:49,121 --> 00:14:53,123 She kind of harassed someone that lived here. 323 00:14:55,392 --> 00:14:58,028 There's a young girl... teenager, I think... 324 00:14:58,030 --> 00:15:00,866 that she didn't have respect for her mom. 325 00:15:00,868 --> 00:15:03,403 She had very bad thoughts 326 00:15:03,405 --> 00:15:05,973 that were not good, pure. 327 00:15:05,975 --> 00:15:07,507 She really, really hated her. 328 00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:09,675 And she... 329 00:15:09,677 --> 00:15:11,712 kind of really let her have it. 330 00:15:11,714 --> 00:15:13,148 What did she do? 331 00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:15,015 She kinda always jumped her a lot. 332 00:15:17,952 --> 00:15:21,588 And it would make the kid very sick. 333 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:24,126 I think she kinda possessed her. 334 00:15:26,794 --> 00:15:28,294 Why'd you wanna meet me in this room? 335 00:15:28,296 --> 00:15:30,527 This actually used to be my first room here 336 00:15:30,529 --> 00:15:31,863 when we first moved in, 337 00:15:31,865 --> 00:15:35,004 and this is where I had my first experience in the house. 338 00:15:35,006 --> 00:15:37,639 Okay, what was that? 339 00:15:37,641 --> 00:15:39,408 Uh, actually, this door right here. 340 00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:41,411 Um, very first night we had moved in, 341 00:15:41,413 --> 00:15:45,277 um, just, like, banging and knocking. 342 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,278 Now are we talking about like... 343 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,614 banging like a person was doing it? As if there was 344 00:15:50,616 --> 00:15:54,284 literally somebody stuck on the other side 345 00:15:54,286 --> 00:15:55,851 trying to get through. 346 00:15:55,853 --> 00:15:57,184 So... 347 00:15:57,186 --> 00:15:59,352 - [Bangs loudly] - Like that. 348 00:15:59,354 --> 00:16:00,521 Exactly like that. 349 00:16:00,523 --> 00:16:02,322 I'm 51 years old. 350 00:16:02,324 --> 00:16:04,158 That would scare the hell outta me if I heard that. 351 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,659 Yeah. 352 00:16:05,661 --> 00:16:08,696 I don't have an explanation for it. 353 00:16:08,698 --> 00:16:10,432 Anything else? 354 00:16:10,434 --> 00:16:12,902 Most recently, my daughter actually was, 355 00:16:12,904 --> 00:16:15,639 like, pushed down the stairs. 356 00:16:17,142 --> 00:16:18,510 Legs went over her head, 357 00:16:18,512 --> 00:16:21,281 and she landed on her head. 358 00:16:21,283 --> 00:16:24,918 I... of course, like, complete shock. Freaked out. 359 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,223 I was bawling my eyes out. 360 00:16:27,225 --> 00:16:29,627 I wouldn't want her to experience the things I have. 361 00:16:29,629 --> 00:16:32,828 I worry about that every day. 362 00:16:34,497 --> 00:16:40,266 He's not really aware of the space, you know, around him. 363 00:16:40,268 --> 00:16:43,372 Indirectly, I think he could hurt people, 364 00:16:43,374 --> 00:16:46,207 like by trying to move them out of the way. 365 00:16:49,079 --> 00:16:51,547 I think that the living are... 366 00:16:51,549 --> 00:16:53,381 kinda caught in a war zone. 367 00:17:07,188 --> 00:17:09,390 Some cases I've gotta do a lot of digging 368 00:17:09,392 --> 00:17:11,359 before I find a death on the property. 369 00:17:11,361 --> 00:17:14,129 Not this one. Took one phone call. 370 00:17:14,197 --> 00:17:16,600 I'm on my way to meet with a sheriff who said 371 00:17:16,602 --> 00:17:19,507 there was a murder right inside of Rob and Carol's house. 372 00:17:24,046 --> 00:17:26,814 Turns out there was a homicide in the house I'm investigating. 373 00:17:26,816 --> 00:17:29,383 Yes. Andrew Fedyck was killed in the house 374 00:17:29,385 --> 00:17:32,183 in January of 1939. 375 00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:34,653 So now what do we know about this guy Andrew himself? 376 00:17:34,655 --> 00:17:38,086 Andrew and his Bessie were Austrian immigrants. 377 00:17:38,088 --> 00:17:41,257 They moved into the house in 1929. 378 00:17:41,259 --> 00:17:45,493 They were the parents of five girls and one boy. 379 00:17:45,495 --> 00:17:46,960 Andrew was a farmer, 380 00:17:46,962 --> 00:17:49,228 and he was known to have a drinking problem. 381 00:17:49,230 --> 00:17:50,796 The night of the homicide, 382 00:17:50,798 --> 00:17:54,066 Andrew came in, and allegedly he was drunk 383 00:17:54,068 --> 00:17:56,169 and had been drinking for several days. 384 00:17:56,171 --> 00:17:58,938 And he was very abusive and boisterous and, uh, 385 00:17:58,940 --> 00:18:02,744 angry with his wife and whoever else was in the house. 386 00:18:02,746 --> 00:18:05,481 And, uh, the son, Michael, came in. 387 00:18:05,483 --> 00:18:06,882 And when Michael came in, 388 00:18:06,884 --> 00:18:10,385 it's alleged that his dad came after him with a knife. 389 00:18:10,387 --> 00:18:12,686 - Okay, so now how old was Michael? - Michael was 19. 390 00:18:12,688 --> 00:18:14,521 Now I do have a picture of Michael. 391 00:18:14,523 --> 00:18:19,291 A struggle ensues, and Michael is able to disarm his dad. 392 00:18:19,293 --> 00:18:22,728 But at the time, then his father turned his rage 393 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:25,066 toward Bessie, his wife. 394 00:18:25,068 --> 00:18:27,769 She picks up a 12 gauge shotgun. 395 00:18:27,771 --> 00:18:29,504 She gives him a warning. 396 00:18:29,506 --> 00:18:30,504 In fact, she gives him several warnings 397 00:18:30,506 --> 00:18:32,305 and asked him to back off. 398 00:18:32,307 --> 00:18:34,106 He proceeds to come after her, 399 00:18:34,108 --> 00:18:37,610 and she shoots once and hits him in the chest. 400 00:18:37,612 --> 00:18:40,679 I do have a copy of the death certificate 401 00:18:40,681 --> 00:18:42,613 declaring him dead that night, 402 00:18:42,914 --> 00:18:46,617 with information that he died from a shotgun blast. 403 00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:49,524 Okay. Homicide, murder by gunshot wounds. 404 00:18:49,526 --> 00:18:52,291 I have the newspaper account. It was headline news. 405 00:18:52,293 --> 00:18:55,529 The newspaper report said an autopsy performed 406 00:18:55,531 --> 00:18:58,835 revealed that 156 pellets of the shotgun shell 407 00:18:58,837 --> 00:19:01,073 had pierced his chest. 408 00:19:01,075 --> 00:19:03,145 So, sheriff, did she get arrested for this? 409 00:19:03,147 --> 00:19:05,183 That night, she's taken into custody 410 00:19:05,185 --> 00:19:08,918 and she's charged with both homicide and manslaughter. 411 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,290 She's released on bail, and three months later, 412 00:19:12,292 --> 00:19:14,159 she appears in front of a grand jury. 413 00:19:14,161 --> 00:19:16,895 - Okay. - She alleges self-defense. 414 00:19:16,897 --> 00:19:21,065 The grand jury believes that and they don't indict her. 415 00:19:23,637 --> 00:19:25,670 Matt: Did they have a relationship in life? 416 00:19:25,672 --> 00:19:30,205 Yes. I'm gonna say she knew him when she was alive. 417 00:19:30,207 --> 00:19:32,975 I don't know if they were related. 418 00:19:32,977 --> 00:19:35,448 With all this fighting going on, it's hard to know 419 00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:37,951 how this man and woman knew each other in life. 420 00:19:37,953 --> 00:19:39,486 But one thing's for sure... 421 00:19:39,488 --> 00:19:41,921 they can't stand each other in death. 422 00:19:41,923 --> 00:19:44,255 She seems afraid of him some, 423 00:19:44,257 --> 00:19:46,657 thinking that he can do [bleep] to her. 424 00:19:46,659 --> 00:19:48,562 Or has done [bleep] to her, you know. 425 00:19:48,564 --> 00:19:51,264 I don't know if he, like, beats her up or what, 426 00:19:51,266 --> 00:19:53,399 but she tries to get the [bleep] out of the way. 427 00:19:56,603 --> 00:19:58,502 I am seeing a... it's a funeral. 428 00:20:02,342 --> 00:20:04,176 A wife shoots and kills her husband, 429 00:20:04,178 --> 00:20:06,479 and a grand jury does not indict her. 430 00:20:06,481 --> 00:20:09,915 That just seems odd to me, especially because it's 1939. 431 00:20:09,917 --> 00:20:11,917 I'm heading over to meet with a professor in Philly 432 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,588 who'll look into the case for me. 433 00:20:21,867 --> 00:20:23,602 Well, Dr. Ruchti, thanks for meeting me. I appreciate it. 434 00:20:23,604 --> 00:20:24,871 My pleasure. 435 00:20:24,873 --> 00:20:27,574 All right, so the reason I asked you to help me out 436 00:20:27,576 --> 00:20:28,741 was that I found it odd, 437 00:20:28,743 --> 00:20:29,741 especially as a homicide investigator, 438 00:20:29,743 --> 00:20:32,045 that this woman did not get indicted 439 00:20:32,047 --> 00:20:33,314 for murder charges. 440 00:20:33,316 --> 00:20:35,249 Steve, it is a really interesting case 441 00:20:35,251 --> 00:20:38,118 for the time period, given the fact that 442 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,221 the status of women was subordinate to men 443 00:20:41,223 --> 00:20:42,821 during that time. 444 00:20:42,823 --> 00:20:44,488 And... and that's why I thought it odd 445 00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:45,922 that she didn't get indicted... Right. 446 00:20:45,924 --> 00:20:47,657 'cause I figured, it's 1939. 447 00:20:47,659 --> 00:20:50,396 There was no domestic violence laws on the books yet. 448 00:20:50,398 --> 00:20:51,732 No, there absolutely was not. 449 00:20:51,734 --> 00:20:53,532 In fact, domestic violence wasn't even 450 00:20:53,534 --> 00:20:55,831 part of our language at that point. 451 00:20:55,833 --> 00:20:57,901 We just called these things "family feuds." 452 00:20:57,903 --> 00:20:59,905 Well, it had to be pretty compelling 'cause I'm assuming 453 00:20:59,907 --> 00:21:01,940 that it had to be an all-male grand jury. 454 00:21:01,942 --> 00:21:03,441 Absolutely. 455 00:21:03,443 --> 00:21:07,347 When you think of somebody as unequal to men, less than men, 456 00:21:07,349 --> 00:21:09,449 you might think of them as childlike, 457 00:21:09,451 --> 00:21:12,118 not making the same decisions that you would make. 458 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,489 And they're... looking at her as if she was a kid. 459 00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:17,425 - And how do you indict a kid? - Right. 460 00:21:17,427 --> 00:21:20,129 Maybe this grand jury just thought, you know, 461 00:21:20,131 --> 00:21:22,032 "Well, she just didn't know what she was doing. 462 00:21:22,034 --> 00:21:23,933 Maybe she lost her mind." 463 00:21:23,935 --> 00:21:25,332 We still see some of this still today, 464 00:21:25,334 --> 00:21:28,905 the argument that women are... are crazy or irrational. 465 00:21:28,907 --> 00:21:30,273 So, I mean, what's your opinion on it? 466 00:21:30,275 --> 00:21:32,608 - What do you think about it? - I think it's very clear 467 00:21:32,610 --> 00:21:37,380 that she was being abused by her husband severely over time. 468 00:21:37,382 --> 00:21:39,081 She's trying to protect herself. 469 00:21:39,083 --> 00:21:41,117 She's trying to protect her children. 470 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,219 And did not want to hurt or harm or even kill anyone, 471 00:21:47,221 --> 00:21:50,225 let alone her husband, but felt she had no other choice 472 00:21:50,227 --> 00:21:53,928 because he was coming for her. 473 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:57,296 He's like, "She was really angry." 474 00:21:57,298 --> 00:21:59,965 I think he... 475 00:21:59,967 --> 00:22:01,833 privately disliked her. 476 00:22:03,471 --> 00:22:05,308 He thought she was nuts. 477 00:22:10,115 --> 00:22:13,151 Yeah, she's done some bad things. 478 00:22:13,153 --> 00:22:15,622 He gets angry at her. 479 00:22:15,624 --> 00:22:17,424 He says that she's crazy. 480 00:22:29,746 --> 00:22:32,012 STEVE: So far, I've got a family being terrorized 481 00:22:32,014 --> 00:22:33,345 by unexplained activity 482 00:22:33,347 --> 00:22:36,149 and a property that's been the site of a homicide. 483 00:22:36,151 --> 00:22:38,919 But there's gotta be something else that can help my case, 484 00:22:38,921 --> 00:22:41,457 so I'm at the local library. 485 00:22:43,127 --> 00:22:45,193 Searching through old records, I find a scandal 486 00:22:45,195 --> 00:22:48,933 involving brutal mistreatment of kids at an orphanage. 487 00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:50,604 Turns out it's right next to 488 00:22:50,606 --> 00:22:53,340 my client's original property lines. 489 00:22:53,342 --> 00:22:55,311 I called the local historian, 490 00:22:55,313 --> 00:22:58,982 and she says it was a scene of neglect, abuse, and death. 491 00:23:05,657 --> 00:23:08,258 Well, Dr. Giesberg, thanks for meeting me. I appreciate that. 492 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:10,125 So the article I came across, uh, 493 00:23:10,127 --> 00:23:12,496 mentioned scandal and abuse in an orphanage 494 00:23:12,498 --> 00:23:14,730 not far from the property I'm investigating. 495 00:23:14,732 --> 00:23:16,864 Uh, what can you tell me about the place? 496 00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:19,469 It opened up, um, in 1868 on the property 497 00:23:19,471 --> 00:23:22,371 of a former Revolutionary War-era hospital. 498 00:23:22,373 --> 00:23:23,637 Oh. Okay. 499 00:23:23,639 --> 00:23:27,476 And here's a photograph of the school in 1870. 500 00:23:28,778 --> 00:23:32,048 The orphanage in Chester Springs was one of 35 501 00:23:32,050 --> 00:23:35,251 - operating in the state of Pennsylvania. - Wow. 502 00:23:35,253 --> 00:23:38,156 Now the article I saw was sometime in the 1880s. 503 00:23:38,158 --> 00:23:40,224 So when did the scandal actually break? 504 00:23:40,226 --> 00:23:41,892 There were a series of articles, actually, 505 00:23:41,894 --> 00:23:43,861 - published in the 1880s... - Okay. 506 00:23:43,863 --> 00:23:46,430 uh, reporting abuse at the schools. 507 00:23:46,432 --> 00:23:49,134 - Okay. - Here are a couple of examples here. 508 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:52,373 One of these talking about, uh, kids getting, um, 509 00:23:52,375 --> 00:23:53,808 you know, water tortured 510 00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:57,576 so they can confess to pulling a prank at the school. 511 00:23:57,578 --> 00:24:01,750 Another one, um, alleging, um, sexual abuse 512 00:24:01,752 --> 00:24:03,919 - at the schools. - Okay. 513 00:24:03,921 --> 00:24:05,186 This is another article 514 00:24:05,188 --> 00:24:06,652 that was published in a national newspaper 515 00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:08,618 that talked about the kids not being provided 516 00:24:08,620 --> 00:24:10,850 with adequate food or clothing, 517 00:24:10,852 --> 00:24:14,624 uh, children being neglected without medical care 518 00:24:14,626 --> 00:24:16,025 and dying in their cells. 519 00:24:16,027 --> 00:24:17,924 - This is worse than a prison. - Oh, yeah, sure. 520 00:24:17,926 --> 00:24:19,591 The news stories, um, 521 00:24:19,593 --> 00:24:22,959 reported deaths at many of these schools in... over the years. 522 00:24:22,961 --> 00:24:24,726 So what happens next? 523 00:24:24,728 --> 00:24:27,329 This becomes a political hot potato. 524 00:24:27,331 --> 00:24:29,429 So all the abuse and all this is still going on? 525 00:24:29,431 --> 00:24:31,761 - That's right. - All right, so what happens? 526 00:24:31,763 --> 00:24:34,131 So around 1906, um, 527 00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,633 the Chester Springs, uh, Civil War Orphan Home 528 00:24:36,635 --> 00:24:38,801 is finally closed. 529 00:24:38,803 --> 00:24:41,472 Here's our article talking about its last commencement. 530 00:24:41,474 --> 00:24:43,539 Okay. Did anybody go to prison? 531 00:24:43,541 --> 00:24:46,040 Or was it just basically "you're out of a job now"? 532 00:24:46,042 --> 00:24:47,074 These guys mostly just lost their jobs. 533 00:24:47,076 --> 00:24:48,874 - That's it. - That's right. 534 00:24:53,244 --> 00:24:55,144 _ 535 00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:58,019 There's, like, some... 536 00:24:58,021 --> 00:24:59,986 boys? 537 00:24:59,988 --> 00:25:04,459 These guys are, like, beating up this, uh... 538 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:06,792 you know, they're kids, though. They're kids. 539 00:25:06,794 --> 00:25:08,394 They're beatin' the [bleep] outta this guy. 540 00:25:10,164 --> 00:25:12,598 Beatin' the [bleep] out of him. 541 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,436 This is bad over here. 542 00:25:16,409 --> 00:25:20,010 Ow! [Bleep]! 543 00:25:20,012 --> 00:25:21,848 Ohh. 544 00:25:23,018 --> 00:25:24,486 Whoa, that hurt. 545 00:25:24,488 --> 00:25:26,088 Somebody lost their hearing. 546 00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,520 His whole body's on the ground. 547 00:25:27,522 --> 00:25:29,320 I think he's dehydrated. 548 00:25:29,322 --> 00:25:30,988 And there's blood. 549 00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:32,122 He's young. He's young. 550 00:25:32,124 --> 00:25:34,390 [Exhales sharply, groans] 551 00:25:34,392 --> 00:25:36,559 He's, like, a kid. 552 00:25:36,561 --> 00:25:39,130 Oh, that [bleep] hurt, man. 553 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,333 [Grunts] I think he's delirious. 554 00:25:52,110 --> 00:25:54,844 AMY: During my walk, I was caught in the middle 555 00:25:54,846 --> 00:25:57,313 of a feud between a dead man and woman. 556 00:25:57,315 --> 00:25:58,881 I'm meeting with an artist to describe 557 00:25:58,883 --> 00:26:02,018 how their battles affect the living. 558 00:26:02,020 --> 00:26:04,054 Dead lady is kind of on the wall. 559 00:26:04,056 --> 00:26:07,420 And she's weird. Very strange-looking. 560 00:26:07,422 --> 00:26:11,589 She pretty much has a skull for a face. 561 00:26:14,959 --> 00:26:18,460 And there's a dead man across the room, screaming at her. 562 00:26:20,462 --> 00:26:23,296 The living lady is freaking out. 563 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,166 Amy, is this what you saw? 564 00:26:28,168 --> 00:26:31,104 Yes, that's what I saw. 565 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,280 STEVE: Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 566 00:26:55,282 --> 00:26:57,414 we're ready to reveal our findings to each other 567 00:26:57,416 --> 00:27:00,318 and our clients for the first time. 568 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,987 Well, Amy, you're sitting across from, uh, 569 00:27:01,989 --> 00:27:03,752 what I consider a family in crisis. 570 00:27:03,754 --> 00:27:06,489 Uh, this is Rob, that's his wife Carol, 571 00:27:06,491 --> 00:27:09,558 and this is their daughter Kelly, their oldest. 572 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,093 Now Kelly doesn't live here anymore. 573 00:27:11,095 --> 00:27:13,198 And these are their other two children. 574 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,102 This is Heather, who's away at college, 575 00:27:16,104 --> 00:27:17,938 uh, and this is Kyle, who's...14 now? 576 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:19,442 - ROB: 14. - CAROL: Yep. 577 00:27:19,444 --> 00:27:21,512 STEVE: He still lives here. 578 00:27:21,514 --> 00:27:23,714 You should know that the activity is so bad here, 579 00:27:23,716 --> 00:27:26,018 it's ruining Carol's health, 580 00:27:26,020 --> 00:27:29,454 and it's basically tearing the family apart. 581 00:27:29,456 --> 00:27:31,488 And they told me that we are their last hope. 582 00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:34,790 So now that Amy knows a little bit about... [Exhales] 583 00:27:34,792 --> 00:27:35,958 what's going on here, 584 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,995 I'm gonna ask her to describe her walk for us. 585 00:27:37,997 --> 00:27:44,001 When I first got here, I encountered a female. 586 00:27:44,003 --> 00:27:48,771 Her energy is just... off the charts. 587 00:27:48,773 --> 00:27:51,707 She's absolutely in constant motion. 588 00:27:51,709 --> 00:27:54,243 She looks... strange. 589 00:27:54,245 --> 00:27:57,410 Her face was basically just a skull. 590 00:27:57,412 --> 00:28:01,348 Her arms and legs were extraordinarily long 591 00:28:01,350 --> 00:28:03,750 and kind of spiderlike. 592 00:28:03,752 --> 00:28:05,085 Definitely one of the... 593 00:28:05,087 --> 00:28:07,253 the major things that I got from her 594 00:28:07,255 --> 00:28:09,455 is that she can make the living by sick. 595 00:28:11,493 --> 00:28:14,664 She... latched on to me. 596 00:28:14,666 --> 00:28:18,764 I was sweating and I felt, like, the fever. 597 00:28:18,766 --> 00:28:21,905 And I felt like I had, you know, a flu. 598 00:28:21,907 --> 00:28:23,841 [Breathes deeply] 599 00:28:23,843 --> 00:28:26,208 Oh. This is the... one of the main reasons we're here, 600 00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:28,211 because your health has deteriorated 601 00:28:28,213 --> 00:28:29,913 since she's moved in. 602 00:28:29,915 --> 00:28:33,251 Now you look at her, she... she looks like the epitome of fit. 603 00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:34,453 - Right? - Mm-hmm. 604 00:28:34,455 --> 00:28:36,488 And even the doctors, on paper, say you... 605 00:28:36,490 --> 00:28:37,689 there's nothing wrong. 606 00:28:37,691 --> 00:28:39,422 I look great on paper. 607 00:28:39,424 --> 00:28:42,893 But I just feel pains... migraines, 608 00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:45,062 random pain, sometimes out of the blue. 609 00:28:45,064 --> 00:28:46,230 Interesting. 610 00:28:46,232 --> 00:28:49,533 And what about severe anxiety, hyperactivity, 611 00:28:49,535 --> 00:28:52,571 then feeling extremely drained? 612 00:28:52,573 --> 00:28:54,041 - I would say that's... - Kelly has a lot of anxiety. 613 00:28:54,043 --> 00:28:55,845 that's actually more Kelly. 614 00:28:55,847 --> 00:28:58,680 That sound right, Kel? 615 00:28:58,682 --> 00:29:01,985 Yeah. [Chuckles nervously] It's just hard to hear it. 616 00:29:01,987 --> 00:29:06,557 The living should not be at all interacting with this female 617 00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:09,592 because her energy is so severe 618 00:29:09,594 --> 00:29:13,030 and there's so much death entangled in her energy. 619 00:29:13,032 --> 00:29:15,966 At one point, I almost had to stop the walk 620 00:29:15,968 --> 00:29:19,836 because I felt like I was gonna have a [bleep] heart attack. 621 00:29:19,838 --> 00:29:25,806 Carol gets these intense chest pains from time to time. 622 00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:28,745 Told Rob about 'em. He took me to the E.R. 623 00:29:28,747 --> 00:29:31,180 Well, that's a smart move. 624 00:29:31,182 --> 00:29:32,980 So it is a real threat 625 00:29:32,982 --> 00:29:38,685 because she really can induce that. 626 00:29:38,687 --> 00:29:40,151 Wow. 627 00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:43,453 So that is making me very nervous. 628 00:29:43,455 --> 00:29:46,424 Now would the living be able to see her? 629 00:29:46,426 --> 00:29:51,262 Yes. They would see her like a brown misty thing. 630 00:29:51,264 --> 00:29:54,799 I've seen it as the mist now. 631 00:29:54,801 --> 00:30:00,137 I've seen it as a, like, 2 to 3 foot mass upstairs, 632 00:30:00,139 --> 00:30:03,540 and I've seen it as a shadow figure walking. 633 00:30:03,542 --> 00:30:04,874 Wow. 634 00:30:04,876 --> 00:30:07,573 The other thing was, the woman was talking about 635 00:30:07,575 --> 00:30:10,208 torturing this... this girl. 636 00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:13,772 Uh, she was saying it was because 637 00:30:13,774 --> 00:30:19,043 she was disrespectful and didn't have any manners, 638 00:30:19,045 --> 00:30:21,508 so she was trying to teach her a lesson. 639 00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:24,279 She kind of looked like you. 640 00:30:25,516 --> 00:30:26,747 Yeah. 641 00:30:26,749 --> 00:30:28,981 Those words hit it right on the head, I'd say. 642 00:30:28,983 --> 00:30:32,384 Yeah, our relationship deteriorated a lot 643 00:30:32,386 --> 00:30:34,051 for several years... 644 00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:36,018 - Mm-hmm. - once we moved in here. 645 00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:40,086 And a lot of times, Rob would... it made it difficult 646 00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:43,321 because he would ask perhaps what I perhaps did 647 00:30:43,323 --> 00:30:45,690 to set things off with Kelly. 648 00:30:45,692 --> 00:30:49,760 Do you feel like she was being kind of different 649 00:30:49,762 --> 00:30:55,502 or overly controlling or overly aggressive with you? 650 00:30:55,504 --> 00:30:58,105 Obviously, you guys are being influenced like crazy 651 00:30:58,107 --> 00:30:59,672 by her. 652 00:30:59,674 --> 00:31:02,875 And it affected your marriage as well, right? The whole thing? 653 00:31:02,877 --> 00:31:08,283 Un, during that time, it affected the entire family. 654 00:31:08,285 --> 00:31:09,817 It came to the point 655 00:31:09,819 --> 00:31:12,118 where you guys actually asked her to leave. 656 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,389 Or basically told her to leave, right? 657 00:31:14,391 --> 00:31:15,725 CAROL: I didn't want to do it. 658 00:31:15,727 --> 00:31:17,893 [Sighs deeply] 659 00:31:17,895 --> 00:31:19,927 I-I love my daughter, 660 00:31:19,929 --> 00:31:22,164 but it was overwhelming. 661 00:31:22,166 --> 00:31:23,699 - Here, baby. - [Sniffles] 662 00:31:23,701 --> 00:31:25,369 [Whispers] Thank you. 663 00:31:27,607 --> 00:31:31,012 Neither of them could figure out a way to not escalate 664 00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:34,450 from the smallest argument to a big, gigantic... 665 00:31:34,452 --> 00:31:35,719 nuclear war. 666 00:31:35,721 --> 00:31:38,221 And as the dad, I was caught in the middle of it. 667 00:31:38,223 --> 00:31:41,125 It's just scary to think that, like... 668 00:31:41,127 --> 00:31:44,796 something you can't explain or you can't really see, 669 00:31:44,798 --> 00:31:47,198 you don't know what it is, can affect you that way. 670 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,466 Mm-hmm. 671 00:31:53,070 --> 00:31:54,903 So one of the things 672 00:31:54,905 --> 00:31:58,574 that this dead woman was indicating to me 673 00:31:58,576 --> 00:32:01,044 was that... 674 00:32:01,046 --> 00:32:04,648 she's being tortured by another dead person here. 675 00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:08,885 This deceased male, she absolutely hates him. 676 00:32:08,887 --> 00:32:13,390 I saw him standing at the top of the stairs, 677 00:32:13,392 --> 00:32:16,427 by the master bedroom, just watching me. 678 00:32:16,429 --> 00:32:18,997 I could hear doors slamming. 679 00:32:18,999 --> 00:32:20,663 He does this. 680 00:32:20,665 --> 00:32:23,268 That happens a lot. 681 00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:26,305 The other thing... um, you would also see him 682 00:32:26,307 --> 00:32:29,540 as a large, black mist. 683 00:32:29,542 --> 00:32:34,581 And she came back and was saying how she hated him. 684 00:32:34,583 --> 00:32:36,882 She's like, "He scratches people. 685 00:32:36,884 --> 00:32:39,688 He's worse because he scratches people. He torments me." 686 00:32:39,690 --> 00:32:42,657 He's calling her a liar. She's calling him a liar. 687 00:32:42,659 --> 00:32:46,396 You know, I don't know who... who to b... who to believe. 688 00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:47,731 Well, your walk is nailing 689 00:32:47,733 --> 00:32:50,701 about everything that's going on in this house. 690 00:32:50,703 --> 00:32:52,503 Rob, do me a favor 691 00:32:52,505 --> 00:32:54,640 and just tell Amy how you think you got these marks. 692 00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:58,708 One morning, I came out of the shower 693 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,642 and I turned around, and Carol said, 694 00:33:00,644 --> 00:33:03,913 "You've got big scratches on your back. How did that happen?" 695 00:33:03,915 --> 00:33:08,484 Could this thing also bruise? Like, cause bruises? 696 00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:12,389 Yeah. And the feeling of being shoved, pushed, pulled, 697 00:33:12,391 --> 00:33:13,958 you know... 698 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,061 does that resonate with you? 699 00:33:17,965 --> 00:33:19,366 Tell Amy exactly what happened, 700 00:33:19,368 --> 00:33:21,569 because the way you described it to me did not sound normal. 701 00:33:21,571 --> 00:33:23,104 Mnh-mnh. 702 00:33:23,106 --> 00:33:25,341 Lila, my daughter, 703 00:33:25,343 --> 00:33:28,143 we were going down the stairs on that side of the house, 704 00:33:28,145 --> 00:33:31,182 and it literally looked like someone, like, 705 00:33:31,184 --> 00:33:33,187 put both hands, like, on the back of her shoulders 706 00:33:33,189 --> 00:33:35,286 and shoved her down, and, like... 707 00:33:35,288 --> 00:33:39,992 she, like, flipped and landed on her head on the stairs. 708 00:33:39,994 --> 00:33:42,595 I... completely lost it. 709 00:33:42,597 --> 00:33:48,067 That is probably coming from her. 710 00:33:48,069 --> 00:33:50,438 - It explains a lot, actually. - A lot. 711 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,173 Yeah, a lot. 712 00:33:52,175 --> 00:33:56,612 Well, these two dead people really hate each other. 713 00:33:56,614 --> 00:34:01,084 Unfortunately, you guys get caught in the middle, 714 00:34:01,086 --> 00:34:05,858 and some physical trauma is caused by them inadvertently. 715 00:34:05,860 --> 00:34:07,760 I had a-a sketch artist draw 716 00:34:07,762 --> 00:34:10,732 kind of an example of a situation, 717 00:34:10,734 --> 00:34:13,305 specifically in the master bedroom. 718 00:34:20,219 --> 00:34:22,187 [Drawing rustles] 719 00:34:22,189 --> 00:34:24,489 Oh, [bleep]. [Bleep]. 720 00:34:24,491 --> 00:34:26,057 ROB: Holy crap. 721 00:34:30,495 --> 00:34:31,996 It's creepy. 722 00:34:31,998 --> 00:34:33,868 Kinda makes you feel sick. 723 00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:37,106 STEVE: Now how would they feel 724 00:34:37,108 --> 00:34:38,672 with them two fight... the two dead fighting... 725 00:34:38,674 --> 00:34:41,109 Just like when I'm... like, they would feel, 726 00:34:41,111 --> 00:34:43,677 you know, unsettled, uncomfortable, anxious. 727 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,245 It would kinda explain why I don't... 728 00:34:46,247 --> 00:34:48,449 I don't feel at rest. 729 00:34:48,451 --> 00:34:49,951 I'm never comfortable. 730 00:34:49,953 --> 00:34:52,754 I always feel like there's eyes on me. 731 00:34:52,756 --> 00:34:53,987 Mm-hmm. 732 00:34:53,989 --> 00:34:55,653 Now did get anything from when they were alive? 733 00:34:55,655 --> 00:34:59,825 They somehow knew each other when they were both alive. 734 00:35:01,061 --> 00:35:05,129 He always... felt that she was a bitch, 735 00:35:05,131 --> 00:35:07,197 that she was very mean to people. 736 00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,966 But, you know, she definitely has a fear of him 737 00:35:10,968 --> 00:35:13,801 because he beat her when she was alive. 738 00:35:13,803 --> 00:35:16,601 Well, listening to everything you had to say, 739 00:35:16,603 --> 00:35:18,803 I kinda have an idea already who you're talking about. 740 00:35:18,805 --> 00:35:22,041 In 1929, Andrew and Bessie Fedyck 741 00:35:22,043 --> 00:35:25,611 moved into your house with their kids. 742 00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:29,381 Andrew was a laborer and rumored to be a pretty bad drunk. 743 00:35:29,383 --> 00:35:31,383 There is evidence that suggests 744 00:35:31,385 --> 00:35:33,586 that he may have been pretty abusive as well. 745 00:35:33,588 --> 00:35:36,988 On January 3, 1939, 746 00:35:36,990 --> 00:35:39,927 Andrew came home drunk and got into an altercation, 747 00:35:39,929 --> 00:35:41,697 and his son came home... Michael. 748 00:35:41,699 --> 00:35:45,798 And the fight he got into with his son escalated 749 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,037 where Andrew had a knife and tried to attack his son. 750 00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,775 Michael was able to get the knife away, 751 00:35:51,777 --> 00:35:56,011 and Andrew turned his rage towards his wife Bessie. 752 00:35:56,013 --> 00:35:59,381 Now she picks up a 12 gauge shotgun 753 00:35:59,383 --> 00:36:01,182 and begs him to stop. 754 00:36:01,184 --> 00:36:03,884 He continues coming at her... 755 00:36:03,886 --> 00:36:08,059 and she fires one round... 12 gauge shotgun... 756 00:36:08,061 --> 00:36:09,493 into his chest. 757 00:36:09,495 --> 00:36:11,094 [Whispers] Wow. 758 00:36:11,096 --> 00:36:13,395 STEVE: That happened right here in this house. 759 00:36:13,397 --> 00:36:15,163 Wow. 760 00:36:15,165 --> 00:36:17,430 I have his death certificate here. 761 00:36:17,432 --> 00:36:20,202 Now this homicide was front page news. 762 00:36:20,204 --> 00:36:23,602 I actually have an article about what happened. 763 00:36:25,538 --> 00:36:27,739 Bessie was immediately arrested. 764 00:36:27,741 --> 00:36:30,173 She testifies at the grand jury, 765 00:36:30,175 --> 00:36:32,141 and they don't indict her. 766 00:36:32,143 --> 00:36:33,642 Self-defense? 767 00:36:33,644 --> 00:36:34,909 Yeah, basically. 768 00:36:34,911 --> 00:36:37,977 You know, in my experience working domestic violence 769 00:36:37,979 --> 00:36:40,313 for over 20 years on the streets, 770 00:36:40,315 --> 00:36:41,915 this is not something that just happened. 771 00:36:41,917 --> 00:36:45,247 This was abuse going on for years. 772 00:36:45,249 --> 00:36:47,616 This may sound just ridiculous, 773 00:36:47,618 --> 00:36:53,351 but I was actually hoping that there was something... 774 00:36:53,353 --> 00:36:54,518 factual that could explain 775 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,823 a lot of this nutsy stuff that's going on. 776 00:36:56,825 --> 00:36:59,993 I'm just shocked, and that they're still fighting 777 00:36:59,995 --> 00:37:01,161 and it's still happening 778 00:37:01,163 --> 00:37:02,662 and they're still influencing people. 779 00:37:06,705 --> 00:37:08,805 STEVE: So anything else? 780 00:37:08,807 --> 00:37:10,172 Just a quick question. 781 00:37:10,174 --> 00:37:11,607 I mean, did you spend a lot of time in the barn 782 00:37:11,609 --> 00:37:14,744 or around the barn when you were younger? 783 00:37:14,746 --> 00:37:16,880 Um, yeah, 'cause we had horses. 784 00:37:16,882 --> 00:37:19,216 - Okay. I got it. - [Paper rustles] 785 00:37:19,218 --> 00:37:22,621 [Whispers] Okay. 786 00:37:22,623 --> 00:37:25,490 There's something else that's also influencing this area, 787 00:37:25,492 --> 00:37:28,027 and... and that might have something to do 788 00:37:28,029 --> 00:37:30,129 with what happened here. 789 00:37:30,131 --> 00:37:32,563 I was drawn right to the barn, 790 00:37:32,565 --> 00:37:35,167 and the dead lady actually wrapped her... 791 00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:38,105 her arms around my waist and pulled me back. 792 00:37:38,107 --> 00:37:41,139 And she's like, "You don't wanna go in there." 793 00:37:42,475 --> 00:37:44,043 And she goes, "You know, if you go in that barn, 794 00:37:44,045 --> 00:37:46,245 you're gonna die." 795 00:37:46,247 --> 00:37:48,179 I did feel very unnerved. 796 00:37:48,181 --> 00:37:50,247 She was telling me that, um, 797 00:37:50,249 --> 00:37:52,184 there was something in the barn, uh, 798 00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:54,487 that has done a great deal of harm, 799 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,753 that it absolutely was not good. 800 00:37:56,755 --> 00:38:00,355 What I saw was like this small black ball. 801 00:38:01,857 --> 00:38:03,090 And then I saw it, like, 802 00:38:03,092 --> 00:38:05,592 kind of go into, like, a snake form. 803 00:38:05,594 --> 00:38:08,429 It did then take the shape 804 00:38:08,431 --> 00:38:12,399 of a very solid kind of shadow person, 805 00:38:12,401 --> 00:38:13,632 but it's not a shadow person. 806 00:38:15,868 --> 00:38:17,669 What I would call it is a demon. 807 00:38:20,772 --> 00:38:22,372 [Bleep]. 808 00:38:35,253 --> 00:38:36,586 It did take the shape 809 00:38:36,588 --> 00:38:40,823 of a very solid kind of shadow person, 810 00:38:40,825 --> 00:38:42,158 but it's not a shadow person. 811 00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:48,267 What I would call it is a demon. 812 00:38:50,804 --> 00:38:52,337 [Bleep]. 813 00:38:52,339 --> 00:38:54,573 The thing is, is that by you being, like, 814 00:38:54,575 --> 00:38:56,943 so out there all the time, 815 00:38:56,945 --> 00:38:58,978 like, it's something that could've absolutely 816 00:38:58,980 --> 00:39:00,314 influenced your behavior 817 00:39:00,316 --> 00:39:03,451 and could've taken over slightly even. 818 00:39:03,453 --> 00:39:08,224 Uh, it is something that could have influenced these people. 819 00:39:13,802 --> 00:39:15,469 [Sniffles] 820 00:39:17,172 --> 00:39:18,373 [Sniffles] 821 00:39:18,375 --> 00:39:20,275 Not feeling good about what's going on right now. 822 00:39:20,277 --> 00:39:21,376 No. 823 00:39:21,378 --> 00:39:23,780 It's like Grand Central Station for evil. 824 00:39:23,782 --> 00:39:27,280 Its mission here is to destroy as many people as possible. 825 00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:28,547 [Bleep]. 826 00:39:28,549 --> 00:39:31,784 Now do you think the demon in the barn 827 00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:33,186 was attached to Kelly? 828 00:39:33,188 --> 00:39:34,721 - Yes, I think it was. - You do. 829 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:40,330 Well, Lila spends a lot of time by the barn. 830 00:39:40,332 --> 00:39:44,233 Al the time. She loves following the cats. 831 00:39:44,235 --> 00:39:45,800 I think I'm in shock. 832 00:39:49,873 --> 00:39:51,974 Well, guys, your family's been plagued with questions 833 00:39:51,976 --> 00:39:53,709 for years now. 834 00:39:53,711 --> 00:39:54,744 Why have you been so sick, Carol? 835 00:39:54,746 --> 00:39:56,980 Why did you act out, Kelly? 836 00:39:56,982 --> 00:39:59,517 And, Rob, you know, why you got scratched. 837 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,018 At least you have answers now. 838 00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:03,854 But the big question is, can you stay here 839 00:40:03,856 --> 00:40:06,055 in a calm, peaceful environment 840 00:40:06,057 --> 00:40:07,390 and live your lives happily 841 00:40:07,392 --> 00:40:10,458 and have you granddaughter come over and be safe? 842 00:40:10,460 --> 00:40:12,760 For that answer, I'm gonna turn it over to my partner Amy 843 00:40:12,762 --> 00:40:14,396 and see if she has a resolution for us. 844 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,936 There are several things that you need to do 845 00:40:18,938 --> 00:40:21,504 in order to make this a safer environment. 846 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:28,277 So in order to remove the demon in the barn area, 847 00:40:28,279 --> 00:40:31,986 I would like there to be a Catholic priest who comes in. 848 00:40:31,988 --> 00:40:37,392 He's going to do an exorcism of the barn and the property. 849 00:40:37,394 --> 00:40:42,500 He does need to make a very firm statement 850 00:40:42,502 --> 00:40:45,535 that he is not including 851 00:40:45,537 --> 00:40:50,041 the removal of any dead people 852 00:40:50,043 --> 00:40:51,676 from this location. 853 00:40:51,678 --> 00:40:56,949 So my hope is that he actually gets rid of this thing, 854 00:40:56,951 --> 00:40:58,478 but he may not. 855 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,549 Uh, he may just get rid of it from your property. 856 00:41:03,551 --> 00:41:07,784 The next day, I want there to be a physical medium that comes 857 00:41:07,786 --> 00:41:11,481 to remove the deceased male and female from the house. 858 00:41:11,483 --> 00:41:13,417 It could take several days, 859 00:41:13,419 --> 00:41:15,514 uh, for it to happen 860 00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:18,517 just because there's going to be a lot of arguing 861 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:23,822 between the medium and probably both of the dead people. 862 00:41:23,824 --> 00:41:25,389 Now with all that said and done, 863 00:41:25,391 --> 00:41:27,325 will she start feeling better and... 864 00:41:27,327 --> 00:41:29,828 Yes. The difference will be insane. [Chuckles] 865 00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:33,865 It'll be a huge, huge difference. 866 00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:38,671 We're all highly motivated to move all this on. 867 00:41:38,673 --> 00:41:41,039 It'd be so nice to be able to come home 868 00:41:41,041 --> 00:41:43,042 and feel like it's a home, 869 00:41:43,044 --> 00:41:45,715 because I don't have that feeling. 870 00:41:47,284 --> 00:41:49,417 It's nice to have some answers. 871 00:41:49,419 --> 00:41:52,553 Kinda gives you some closure to that chapter of your life. 872 00:41:52,555 --> 00:41:55,626 AMY: I really hope Carol and Rob follow my advice 873 00:41:55,628 --> 00:41:58,627 and deal with the entities terrorizing their family. 874 00:41:58,629 --> 00:42:00,629 With the help of a priest and a medium, 875 00:42:00,631 --> 00:42:02,032 they should be able to free themselves 876 00:42:02,034 --> 00:42:04,703 of the darkness surrounding their home. 877 00:42:04,753 --> 00:42:09,303 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 66838

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