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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,948 --> 00:00:17,216 I was sickened by what I saw. 2 00:00:17,251 --> 00:00:18,851 A lot of people saw that pee tape. 3 00:00:18,953 --> 00:00:20,219 It was circulating in the streets. 4 00:00:20,254 --> 00:00:23,055 I came across the one with me, him, 5 00:00:23,090 --> 00:00:24,590 and the 14-year-old. 6 00:00:24,625 --> 00:00:28,060 My niece has the same hairstyle she had 7 00:00:28,095 --> 00:00:30,763 when she turned 14. 8 00:00:30,798 --> 00:00:33,565 That was her, for sure. 9 00:00:33,601 --> 00:00:37,169 And that was him, definitely. 10 00:00:37,271 --> 00:00:40,539 Various sexual acts, including urination, oral sex. 11 00:00:40,641 --> 00:00:43,242 For him to do that to her... 12 00:00:48,849 --> 00:00:50,983 Oh, man. 13 00:00:51,018 --> 00:00:52,718 I took it and he never noticed it was gone. 14 00:00:52,820 --> 00:00:56,355 I just didn't know that there was a point in time... 15 00:00:56,457 --> 00:00:59,625 (crying): where they were talk... 16 00:01:01,862 --> 00:01:06,565 where they were talking... about killing me. 17 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:09,468 I should have never introduced her to him. 18 00:01:09,503 --> 00:01:14,006 (crying): I should have never introduced my family to him. 19 00:01:14,041 --> 00:01:16,175 How dare you. 20 00:01:18,012 --> 00:01:20,979 How dare you. (sniffles) 21 00:01:27,855 --> 00:01:29,922 � � 22 00:01:52,012 --> 00:01:54,980 CRAIG WILLIAMS: There was a bedroom in the studio. 23 00:01:55,015 --> 00:01:56,281 Girls everywhere. 24 00:01:56,383 --> 00:01:57,850 15 to 17 to 18. 25 00:01:57,885 --> 00:01:59,184 JOVANTE CUNNINGHAM: We were young. 26 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:00,385 We were naive. 27 00:02:00,421 --> 00:02:02,955 We were easily influenced. 28 00:02:03,057 --> 00:02:06,024 It wasn't just me that was young that he liked. 29 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:08,060 It wasn't a mistake with Aaliyah. 30 00:02:08,095 --> 00:02:11,530 He's sleeping with this young girl. 31 00:02:11,565 --> 00:02:14,500 GEM PRATTS: It's like, uh, cattle that has four acres 32 00:02:14,535 --> 00:02:17,503 and he's the only cattle to graze; it's easy pickins'. 33 00:02:17,538 --> 00:02:20,205 This is somebody who's written this inspirational, 34 00:02:20,241 --> 00:02:22,474 motivational song. 35 00:02:22,576 --> 00:02:23,842 It was just massive. 36 00:02:23,878 --> 00:02:25,744 JAMILAH LEMIEUX: Can he really be the monster? 37 00:02:25,779 --> 00:02:28,180 There's no moral clock there, there's no gage. 38 00:02:28,215 --> 00:02:30,482 I introduced my niece to Robert 39 00:02:30,584 --> 00:02:33,352 and I saw her in the studio by herself. 40 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:36,655 I would walk in like, "What you doing here?" 41 00:02:36,757 --> 00:02:38,190 LISA VAN ALLEN: Him and I both were actually 42 00:02:38,225 --> 00:02:39,525 having sex with her. 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,560 I was unaware, at that time, 44 00:02:41,595 --> 00:02:44,029 of how young she was. 45 00:02:44,064 --> 00:02:46,064 She was actually 14. 46 00:03:04,818 --> 00:03:07,052 When I figured out that 47 00:03:07,087 --> 00:03:10,022 I had had sex with a 14-year-old, 48 00:03:10,124 --> 00:03:13,025 um, it made me feel betrayed, 49 00:03:13,127 --> 00:03:15,260 because he lied to me and told me she was 16, 50 00:03:15,296 --> 00:03:18,697 which would have been close to my age. 51 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:23,202 And it also made me question his motives. 52 00:03:23,304 --> 00:03:27,039 I mean, the fact that he lied about her age to me, told me 53 00:03:27,141 --> 00:03:29,107 that he obviously knew that wasn't okay 54 00:03:29,143 --> 00:03:31,210 for her to be younger. 55 00:03:31,312 --> 00:03:34,846 It-it made me feel, like, sick to my stomach. 56 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:38,550 It made me feel disgusted. 57 00:03:38,652 --> 00:03:44,156 I mean, my daughter is older than she is now. 58 00:03:46,493 --> 00:03:48,794 We didn't have sex with her anymore 59 00:03:48,829 --> 00:03:52,231 after I found out that she was that much younger. 60 00:03:52,333 --> 00:03:56,068 We had sex in his home twice. 61 00:03:56,170 --> 00:03:57,402 I didn't see his wife at the house, 62 00:03:57,504 --> 00:04:00,906 but there was a-a situation, um, 63 00:04:01,008 --> 00:04:04,176 between me, him and the younger woman 64 00:04:04,211 --> 00:04:06,945 where he did tell me that his wife was upstairs 65 00:04:06,981 --> 00:04:08,981 when we were in the-- 66 00:04:09,016 --> 00:04:11,250 I call it the Colorado Room, the one with all the wood, 67 00:04:11,352 --> 00:04:13,619 where the infamous sex tape was filmed-- 68 00:04:13,654 --> 00:04:15,420 that room, when we were down there, 69 00:04:15,522 --> 00:04:18,657 one time, he did tell me that she was upstairs. 70 00:04:24,331 --> 00:04:26,265 PRODUCER: The girls that were seeing the other side of him, 71 00:04:26,367 --> 00:04:27,933 did you notice them? 72 00:04:28,035 --> 00:04:31,270 Do you know how-- Were they young at that time? 73 00:04:31,372 --> 00:04:34,673 No. He never brought any of them around me. 74 00:04:34,708 --> 00:04:37,943 He was never abusive to anybody in front of me. 75 00:04:38,045 --> 00:04:41,280 He was never a person that, you know, like, 76 00:04:41,382 --> 00:04:43,181 "Hey, do y'all hear that in the room next door? 77 00:04:43,217 --> 00:04:44,983 Is that fighting or something?" 78 00:04:45,019 --> 00:04:47,986 I mean, we have to be realistic about the story line, too. 79 00:04:48,022 --> 00:04:50,055 Seeing some (bleep) like that, 80 00:04:50,090 --> 00:04:52,457 you-- we really are not gonna be together, 81 00:04:52,559 --> 00:04:55,727 because you're showing me up front who your monster is, 82 00:04:55,763 --> 00:04:59,631 so I think that he strategically did what he did with me. 83 00:04:59,733 --> 00:05:02,801 He kept it away from me for a reason. 84 00:05:02,903 --> 00:05:04,503 It's like sometimes I often wish 85 00:05:04,538 --> 00:05:07,139 I would have just known up front; I really do. 86 00:05:07,241 --> 00:05:10,042 I wish that I would have been able to see the fullness 87 00:05:10,077 --> 00:05:12,077 of the monster I was dealing with 88 00:05:12,112 --> 00:05:13,979 because it probably would have saved me 89 00:05:14,081 --> 00:05:16,815 years and years of pain. 90 00:05:16,917 --> 00:05:19,117 It would have saved me years of abuse. 91 00:05:19,219 --> 00:05:22,220 It would have saved me years of being alienated from my family 92 00:05:22,256 --> 00:05:24,890 if I just would have known up front 93 00:05:24,925 --> 00:05:28,160 what the hell I'm dealing with. 94 00:05:28,262 --> 00:05:31,196 LISA: When we first started having sex, 95 00:05:31,231 --> 00:05:34,366 Rob was behind the camera, and he pretty much 96 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:36,501 would talk us through the motions. 97 00:05:36,603 --> 00:05:40,706 He would never ask me if, um, it was okay to be filmed, 98 00:05:40,741 --> 00:05:43,542 but he never hid the camera or anything like that. 99 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:49,181 He would just pull-pull out his tripod and his camera. 100 00:05:49,283 --> 00:05:51,350 And he had the whole thing, the lighting. 101 00:05:51,452 --> 00:05:54,786 He'd set it up and he-he liked to-to have control 102 00:05:54,822 --> 00:05:57,356 of the situation because he would tell you 103 00:05:57,458 --> 00:06:01,960 what to do anyways when you were having sex. 104 00:06:01,995 --> 00:06:04,262 When he would put the camera up, he'd just say, 105 00:06:04,298 --> 00:06:06,732 "Make sure you're sitting properly for the camera, 106 00:06:06,767 --> 00:06:08,734 you know, for whatever angle." 107 00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:12,804 And when he'd be done filming, he'd just put it in his bag. 108 00:06:16,777 --> 00:06:19,878 It was 2000, around the same time 109 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:22,547 when I did the "I Wish" video with him. 110 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:26,218 I was in the studio, I was in the room, 111 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,954 and he left the bag in the room with me. 112 00:06:28,989 --> 00:06:31,823 And I just happened to open the bag up, 113 00:06:31,859 --> 00:06:36,561 and I started popping the tapes in to see what was on them. 114 00:06:36,663 --> 00:06:39,765 It was just a whole bunch of different tapes with him 115 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,236 having sex with different young girls, I guess, and women. 116 00:06:44,338 --> 00:06:46,838 But I came across the one 117 00:06:46,874 --> 00:06:49,808 with me, him and the 14-year-old. 118 00:06:54,181 --> 00:06:56,081 I watched it and, 119 00:06:56,183 --> 00:06:59,251 as I fast-forwarded some, I'd see other scenes 120 00:06:59,353 --> 00:07:01,920 with just him and her, without me. 121 00:07:04,525 --> 00:07:05,924 Her face, 122 00:07:06,026 --> 00:07:08,326 her chest, it's just, wherever it was going, 123 00:07:08,362 --> 00:07:12,130 he just was-- as if she was a toilet, he was just peeing. 124 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:14,633 You know, just letting it go wherever. 125 00:07:14,668 --> 00:07:19,304 I thought it was gross and-and weird and, uh, belittling. 126 00:07:19,339 --> 00:07:24,509 In regards to the tapes, Robert taping himself, 127 00:07:24,545 --> 00:07:25,944 he's always did that. 128 00:07:26,046 --> 00:07:28,013 Robert recorded everything. 129 00:07:28,048 --> 00:07:32,517 I mean, R. Kelly tapes his sexual encounters. 130 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:35,153 And he watched his own movies. 131 00:07:35,189 --> 00:07:37,989 Abusers often want trophies 132 00:07:38,025 --> 00:07:41,259 from their criminal acts, 133 00:07:41,361 --> 00:07:44,196 so people will take things 134 00:07:44,231 --> 00:07:48,333 and be able to place memories 135 00:07:48,368 --> 00:07:50,368 and place maybe even sexual feelings 136 00:07:50,404 --> 00:07:53,138 on trophies that they've taken. 137 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,808 And it's power play. You get to actively replay the act. 138 00:07:56,910 --> 00:07:59,711 And when that's not enough, then you make another tape. 139 00:08:01,748 --> 00:08:04,015 LISA: When I saw it, you know, it upset me, 140 00:08:04,051 --> 00:08:06,017 and I didn't want him 141 00:08:06,053 --> 00:08:09,521 to have possession of the tape anymore, 'cause I was on it, 142 00:08:09,556 --> 00:08:13,658 and I took it and kept it on me, and when I got a chance 143 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,460 to go back to my hotel room, 144 00:08:15,562 --> 00:08:18,697 I left it at my hotel room, and he never noticed it was gone. 145 00:08:18,732 --> 00:08:22,901 I actually didn't hold onto the tape that long at all 146 00:08:22,936 --> 00:08:26,605 because I was afraid that he'd find out that I had it. 147 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,708 I had befriended a few of his other artists, 148 00:08:29,743 --> 00:08:31,676 and I actually asked one of them 149 00:08:31,778 --> 00:08:35,614 if they could hold the tape for me. 150 00:08:35,649 --> 00:08:37,449 I remember the first time we were in Detroit 151 00:08:37,484 --> 00:08:40,318 and he came to me and he told me about the videotapes. 152 00:08:40,420 --> 00:08:45,056 He'd say, uh, "Man, you got to help me, man. 153 00:08:45,092 --> 00:08:47,893 "We got to pray, man, 'cause these videos, man, 154 00:08:47,928 --> 00:08:51,863 I can't stop taping myself, man, and..." and so we prayed. 155 00:08:51,965 --> 00:08:57,402 I was privy, and shown, um, videos 156 00:08:57,437 --> 00:09:02,240 while I was still employed and, you know, around, yes. 157 00:09:02,276 --> 00:09:04,609 Um, I never saw the-the bag's videos, 158 00:09:04,645 --> 00:09:06,077 because I think I would've been like, 159 00:09:06,113 --> 00:09:07,379 "Man, what the hell are you doing?" 160 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,581 You know? "What-what are you doing?" 161 00:09:09,616 --> 00:09:12,884 But yes, I-I did see several, several videos. 162 00:09:12,986 --> 00:09:15,220 DEMETRIUS: You know, I didn't know 163 00:09:15,322 --> 00:09:17,489 what was ahead, with those tapes, but Robert did. 164 00:09:17,524 --> 00:09:20,058 And he used to come to me 165 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,928 and he used to talk to me about that. 166 00:09:22,963 --> 00:09:25,230 He'd say, "Man, this is gonna get me in trouble, man. 167 00:09:25,332 --> 00:09:26,398 "I can't seem to stop. 168 00:09:26,500 --> 00:09:29,267 This is gonna destroy me." 169 00:09:34,241 --> 00:09:37,509 the legal affairs reporter 170 00:09:37,644 --> 00:09:39,311 for the Chicago Sun-Times. 171 00:09:39,413 --> 00:09:42,213 Our rock critic, Jim DeRogatis, 172 00:09:42,316 --> 00:09:46,718 got a fax laying out that there was a relationship going on 173 00:09:46,753 --> 00:09:50,188 with R. Kelly and an underage girl. 174 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:52,023 Jim's the one who really heard about 175 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,759 the dynamic that was going on 176 00:09:54,795 --> 00:09:56,861 in which people in R. Kelly's own circle were saying 177 00:09:56,997 --> 00:09:58,396 that there was an issue there 178 00:09:58,432 --> 00:10:01,633 where he was just hanging out with young girls. 179 00:10:01,668 --> 00:10:04,603 And Jim had gotten word that some of these young women 180 00:10:04,638 --> 00:10:06,805 had actually filed suit against him. 181 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,207 You know, he approached me as the legal affairs reporter, 182 00:10:09,343 --> 00:10:10,575 you know, "Can we check this out?" 183 00:10:10,611 --> 00:10:12,310 And, you know, I went and started 184 00:10:12,346 --> 00:10:14,546 pulling lawsuits and, sure enough, there were some. 185 00:10:14,681 --> 00:10:17,148 And they generally settled out of court. 186 00:10:17,184 --> 00:10:21,953 But the allegations were pretty explosive. 187 00:10:21,989 --> 00:10:25,790 We started uncovering a series of lawsuits that had been filed 188 00:10:25,826 --> 00:10:29,094 and settlements that had been reached with-with young women 189 00:10:29,196 --> 00:10:31,396 that claim that-that they had sex 190 00:10:31,531 --> 00:10:33,765 with R. Kelly when they were underage. 191 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,236 Our first story ran December 21, 2000. 192 00:10:38,372 --> 00:10:42,307 And it said that R. Kelly had been sued by all these girls. 193 00:10:42,342 --> 00:10:46,611 The suits, all added together, 194 00:10:46,647 --> 00:10:48,580 seemed to show a pattern of behavior 195 00:10:48,715 --> 00:10:52,283 of him going after very young girls for sexual relationships. 196 00:10:52,319 --> 00:10:56,588 Immediately after our story ran, 197 00:10:56,723 --> 00:10:59,124 -we started getting calls. -(phone ringing) 198 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:00,792 Other girls who said this has happened to them, 199 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:02,927 from girls who said it happened to their friends. 200 00:11:03,063 --> 00:11:04,963 And we-we did follow-up interviews 201 00:11:05,065 --> 00:11:06,698 with as many of them as we could. 202 00:11:06,733 --> 00:11:09,000 A lot of them were very reluctant and shy. 203 00:11:09,036 --> 00:11:10,602 And a lot of times, they wouldn't want to have 204 00:11:10,671 --> 00:11:13,972 their names used or even have their full stories appear. 205 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:15,940 These confidential settlements, you know, 206 00:11:16,076 --> 00:11:18,176 if the girls go public, they-they lose the settlement. 207 00:11:18,211 --> 00:11:19,944 You have to pay it back. So there's 208 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,280 a limit to how much more we're gonna get 209 00:11:22,416 --> 00:11:23,882 from-from people that had already been involved 210 00:11:23,917 --> 00:11:25,216 in-in those sort of suits. 211 00:11:25,252 --> 00:11:27,819 LEMIEUX: These are five, 212 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,854 six-figure settlements. 213 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:32,524 And so, there we see 214 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,360 the beginning of an ecosystem, right? 215 00:11:35,395 --> 00:11:37,529 Like, there's a-- there's a system 216 00:11:37,564 --> 00:11:40,465 of protecting R. Kelly from accountability. 217 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,034 They said they were minors. 218 00:11:43,070 --> 00:11:44,369 -Mm-hmm. -You settled out of court. 219 00:11:44,404 --> 00:11:46,604 -Yeah. -In this country, 220 00:11:46,707 --> 00:11:49,174 many people will assume that means you were guilty. 221 00:11:49,276 --> 00:11:51,042 Why'd you settle? 222 00:11:51,078 --> 00:11:53,812 I really can't go into detail about that particular thing, 223 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,480 because, when I filed the lawsuit, 224 00:11:55,615 --> 00:11:57,882 um, of course, I signed, uh, 225 00:11:57,918 --> 00:11:59,951 a piece of paper saying I couldn't discuss 226 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:01,986 -those particular people in the situation. -So there's a confidentiality 227 00:12:02,122 --> 00:12:04,355 -agreement after the fact. -Exactly. Exactly. 228 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:07,092 TARANA BURKE: The idea that R. Kelly was using 229 00:12:07,127 --> 00:12:09,928 nondisclosure agreements to keep these young girls 230 00:12:09,963 --> 00:12:12,530 and their families quiet, 231 00:12:12,566 --> 00:12:14,199 that means that he is cognizant 232 00:12:14,234 --> 00:12:16,367 of the kind of things that he's doing 233 00:12:16,403 --> 00:12:18,536 and he's trying to protect himself on the front end. 234 00:12:18,638 --> 00:12:21,172 And I think that this is the thing that makes him, to me, 235 00:12:21,308 --> 00:12:22,741 more the-- more of a predator. 236 00:12:25,145 --> 00:12:27,679 LEMIEUX: You can get people to sign NDAs. 237 00:12:27,814 --> 00:12:29,748 We can make people go away with a check. 238 00:12:29,783 --> 00:12:31,416 We don't have to do this in court, 239 00:12:31,451 --> 00:12:33,251 in front of the cameras and in front of, 240 00:12:33,286 --> 00:12:35,453 you know, the paparazzi 241 00:12:35,489 --> 00:12:36,888 and the tabloids. 242 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:39,991 We can make these things go away. 243 00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:42,961 His camp was very unhappy 244 00:12:42,996 --> 00:12:45,430 and pushed back hard and said it was all false. 245 00:12:45,465 --> 00:12:47,866 But they couldn't point 246 00:12:48,001 --> 00:12:50,201 to any part of the story that was actually false, 247 00:12:50,337 --> 00:12:53,404 'cause it was all taken from court documents. 248 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,407 LISA: At this point, there were tapes floating around. 249 00:12:56,443 --> 00:12:59,210 I-I didn't want a sex tape of me floating around 250 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,846 the Internet or on TV or anything, so... 251 00:13:01,948 --> 00:13:04,482 the only thing I could think of doing at that point would be to, 252 00:13:04,518 --> 00:13:09,254 um, to see if Rob could figure out a way to get the tape back. 253 00:13:09,289 --> 00:13:12,824 I actually ended up contacting Rob 254 00:13:12,859 --> 00:13:15,693 and told him that I had took the tape. 255 00:13:16,830 --> 00:13:22,066 He flew me back up to Chicago. 256 00:13:22,202 --> 00:13:23,668 I told him that they probably wouldn't just 257 00:13:23,703 --> 00:13:26,638 give it back to me, that they probably need something, 258 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:27,972 or whatever, to get it back. 259 00:13:30,377 --> 00:13:32,510 And so he arranged for them 260 00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:36,648 to be paid to get him back his tape. 261 00:13:36,683 --> 00:13:39,284 He had them take lie detector tests, well, one of the guys, 262 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:44,155 and me, and, uh, I passed, and the guy did not 263 00:13:44,191 --> 00:13:47,292 because he was lying, he said that he didn't make any copies, 264 00:13:47,327 --> 00:13:49,127 and he actually did. 265 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:53,298 So, um, he ended up giving, you know, like, a little payment 266 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,434 for that copy and then he said, "When you bring the rest back, 267 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:59,404 you'll get, you know, the rest of the money." 268 00:14:01,908 --> 00:14:06,444 Rob said $250,000 was what it was gonna be. 269 00:14:08,014 --> 00:14:11,916 He actually gave the money to his accountant. 270 00:14:12,018 --> 00:14:16,721 You know, he ended up getting the tape, uh, for Rob 271 00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:19,757 on the last, uh, visit that I went up there. 272 00:14:28,435 --> 00:14:33,137 I just didn't know that there was a point in time... 273 00:14:39,246 --> 00:14:41,779 ...where... 274 00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:47,518 ...where they were talking... 275 00:14:50,223 --> 00:14:54,058 ...where they were talking... about killing me. 276 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:15,380 So we started doing the stories, and we'd heard that there was 277 00:15:15,482 --> 00:15:18,549 videotapes out there of R. Kelly with the underage girls, 278 00:15:18,585 --> 00:15:21,286 and we'd let it be known that we'd be happy to, you know, 279 00:15:21,321 --> 00:15:24,188 get those tapes, if they could assist in our reporting. 280 00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:28,126 One day, an anonymous video 281 00:15:28,161 --> 00:15:31,729 was-was dropped off in Jim's mailbox. 282 00:15:31,765 --> 00:15:33,564 So this appeared to be R. Kelly 283 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,934 engaging in sex with an underage girl. 284 00:15:35,969 --> 00:15:39,904 Tongues are really wagging, ears are really burning, 285 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:43,574 because they're like, "Did you hear about this sex tape?" 286 00:15:43,677 --> 00:15:45,543 So that means everything else that we've been hearing, 287 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:47,045 we knew it was true. 288 00:15:47,113 --> 00:15:48,913 That set everything off. 289 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:51,115 MITCHELL: The newsroom was in an uproar. 290 00:15:51,151 --> 00:15:53,785 The editors had to make a decision whether or not 291 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:58,423 this was so important that we could sit and view a tape 292 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,925 and to basically pursue a story 293 00:16:00,961 --> 00:16:04,595 that literally was based in pornography, child pornography. 294 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:11,402 So it was very easy to look at that videotape 295 00:16:11,538 --> 00:16:14,238 and believe that that was R. Kelly on the tape 296 00:16:14,374 --> 00:16:15,573 and that the girl was underage. 297 00:16:15,709 --> 00:16:17,075 She looked like a child. 298 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,446 I got to tell you, 299 00:16:21,548 --> 00:16:24,949 as a mother and as a grandmother and as a black woman, 300 00:16:24,985 --> 00:16:28,353 I was sickened by what I saw. 301 00:16:28,388 --> 00:16:31,956 It contained very graphic, 302 00:16:31,992 --> 00:16:36,127 um... hardcore porn. 303 00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:38,129 If I could just be blunt. 304 00:16:38,164 --> 00:16:41,099 Various sexual acts, including urination, 305 00:16:41,234 --> 00:16:44,135 oral sex, everything that you can name. 306 00:16:44,170 --> 00:16:46,904 PALLASCH: There'd just be denial after denial 307 00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:50,074 from people in the community that knew R. Kelly. 308 00:16:50,176 --> 00:16:51,509 They'd just say, "Oh, it's all wrong, it's all wrong. 309 00:16:51,544 --> 00:16:53,311 These are people out to get R. Kelly." 310 00:16:53,346 --> 00:16:55,213 But, you know, you can't 311 00:16:55,248 --> 00:16:58,216 be dissuaded, you can't be, uh, intimidated out of these things. 312 00:16:58,251 --> 00:16:59,917 We didn't let up our reporting at all. 313 00:17:06,259 --> 00:17:09,127 We were made aware that there was a 14-year-old girl. 314 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:11,729 His bass player's daughter that he was, uh, 315 00:17:11,765 --> 00:17:14,332 having an-an, a sexual relationship with 316 00:17:14,367 --> 00:17:16,167 at that time we were doing the stories. 317 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:22,240 SPARKLE: Chicago Sun-Times contacted me 318 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:27,912 and wanted me to come down to their offices to view tapes 319 00:17:27,947 --> 00:17:30,548 that possibly had, 320 00:17:30,583 --> 00:17:33,985 um, girls on it that I may have known. 321 00:17:34,054 --> 00:17:36,888 On the tape, 322 00:17:36,923 --> 00:17:40,224 my niece has the same hairstyle she had 323 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:43,828 when she turned 14. 324 00:17:43,897 --> 00:17:47,165 That was her, for sure. 325 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:50,001 And that was him, definitely. 326 00:18:03,316 --> 00:18:06,184 My name is Raven, 327 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:09,020 and I was friends with the girl in the tape 328 00:18:09,155 --> 00:18:11,589 since 1997, junior high on. 329 00:18:14,494 --> 00:18:17,061 We bonded over basketball. 330 00:18:17,097 --> 00:18:19,564 She and I were the, you know, star basketball players 331 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:21,566 of our junior high team. 332 00:18:21,601 --> 00:18:23,401 We spent a lot of time together, 333 00:18:23,503 --> 00:18:25,136 both on and off the court. 334 00:18:25,171 --> 00:18:27,138 Her personality was vibrant. 335 00:18:27,173 --> 00:18:28,773 Always happy, 336 00:18:28,808 --> 00:18:32,610 always having a great time, the life of the party. 337 00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:35,913 Just a really fun, wonderful person to be around. 338 00:18:38,017 --> 00:18:39,817 JACQUES CONWAY: Oak Park is a small town, 339 00:18:39,853 --> 00:18:41,652 so you get to know people quite well. 340 00:18:41,688 --> 00:18:44,288 As a coach, I saw her play from junior high 341 00:18:44,324 --> 00:18:47,391 up until she got on my team as a sophomore in high school. 342 00:18:47,527 --> 00:18:50,128 Her parents were very responsible, 343 00:18:50,163 --> 00:18:52,296 like any family in Oak Park River Forest. 344 00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:53,831 You know, two parents who worked, 345 00:18:53,867 --> 00:18:55,833 sent their kid to the same school they went to. 346 00:18:55,869 --> 00:18:58,002 Very supportive of their kids' activities 347 00:18:58,037 --> 00:18:59,904 by attending those events. 348 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:03,474 GENGLER: R. Kelly would come to some basketball games. 349 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:05,409 I would see him in the stands. 350 00:19:05,545 --> 00:19:07,411 It almost seemed like a doting father 351 00:19:07,547 --> 00:19:09,714 when R. Kelly would see her. 352 00:19:11,351 --> 00:19:14,185 CONWAY: It was just strange for me, 353 00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:15,987 to see a-a grown man hanging out at a high school 354 00:19:16,022 --> 00:19:17,421 with high school girls. 355 00:19:20,393 --> 00:19:23,094 SPARKLE: Like, you hear things, 356 00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:26,531 but to see it visually, 357 00:19:26,566 --> 00:19:31,469 and for her to be so young... 358 00:19:31,571 --> 00:19:33,304 it (bleep) me up. 359 00:19:33,339 --> 00:19:37,208 It really did-- like, it's over with, 360 00:19:37,243 --> 00:19:40,344 but it still haunts me. 361 00:19:40,380 --> 00:19:43,514 You know? 362 00:19:43,550 --> 00:19:49,120 And I hate this (bleep), that it happened. 363 00:19:49,255 --> 00:19:52,190 It shouldn't have happened. 364 00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:55,893 I should have never introduced her to him. 365 00:19:55,929 --> 00:20:00,331 I should have never introduced my family to him. 366 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:03,968 Like, how dare you. 367 00:20:04,037 --> 00:20:06,437 How dare you. 368 00:20:13,947 --> 00:20:16,914 (sniffles) 369 00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:19,217 What the (bleep)? 370 00:20:19,252 --> 00:20:21,352 "What are you doing, Robert?" Like, I never thought 371 00:20:21,454 --> 00:20:23,955 he would do this (bleep) to my family. 372 00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:27,258 I don't know how the Sun-Times got the tape. 373 00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:29,260 Who dropped it off, who sent it, 374 00:20:29,295 --> 00:20:33,064 who threw it-- I-I have no idea. 375 00:20:33,099 --> 00:20:38,236 There was a money transaction from Robert to my niece 376 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:40,871 in the beginning of this videotape. 377 00:20:40,907 --> 00:20:46,210 After the money transaction, then there was a transaction... 378 00:20:46,312 --> 00:20:47,778 (laughs softly) 379 00:20:47,814 --> 00:20:50,681 ...if you understand what I'm saying. 380 00:20:50,817 --> 00:20:55,119 A sexual transaction. 381 00:20:55,154 --> 00:20:59,557 And I didn't need to see any more, 382 00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:02,326 'cause I knew it was her. 383 00:21:02,362 --> 00:21:05,429 PALLASCH: We were able to confirm 384 00:21:05,465 --> 00:21:08,799 it was indeed her at a time when she was 14. 385 00:21:08,835 --> 00:21:13,471 R. Kelly and an underage girl having sex. 386 00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:15,306 Here, we have evidence of a felony. 387 00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:17,842 Now, you don't want to become an arm of the prosecution. 388 00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:19,744 Journalists are supposed to be separate and apart from that. 389 00:21:19,846 --> 00:21:23,114 But if you find a body in the lobby of the Sun-Times, 390 00:21:23,149 --> 00:21:24,348 you call the police. 391 00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:26,584 And we ultimately did. 392 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:31,055 Here was a child who was being used by a grown man 393 00:21:31,157 --> 00:21:35,059 for sexual gratification, and obviously, no one cared. 394 00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:38,596 People knew what was going on at his, uh, residence. 395 00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:41,465 They probably saw this girl in and out, 396 00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:43,968 but proving that was a different thing. 397 00:21:44,003 --> 00:21:45,803 It was obvious she was young. 398 00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:48,272 It was on tape. Everybody saw it. 399 00:21:48,308 --> 00:21:49,940 It shows you how rich 400 00:21:50,043 --> 00:21:52,143 and powerful men can get away with a lot of things. 401 00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:54,545 But it also shows the power imbalance 402 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:58,015 between the abuser and the victim, as well. 403 00:22:00,186 --> 00:22:01,986 Ever since this-this tape thing, 404 00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:03,854 this rumor has come out, you know, there's been 405 00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:05,289 a whole lot of people, you know, 406 00:22:05,391 --> 00:22:07,191 uh, it's been a R. Kelly Day, man. 407 00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:09,827 It's been people trying to, you know, say this or say that, 408 00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:11,862 coming out of the woodwork for me, you know, 409 00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:13,030 just trying to get paid. 410 00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,632 I'm not a monster that people, 411 00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:16,967 that people are saying I am, and, uh, 412 00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:20,471 if people out there have a tape of me, and they're saying 413 00:22:20,573 --> 00:22:22,973 it's with me and a young girl, a minor, 414 00:22:23,076 --> 00:22:25,576 then they're sadly mistaken or they're lying. 415 00:22:25,611 --> 00:22:27,144 (film projector clicking) 416 00:22:27,246 --> 00:22:29,013 JOVANTE: In his mind, I think he believes 417 00:22:29,048 --> 00:22:31,449 some of his own sick lies. In his mind, he didn't do it. 418 00:22:31,551 --> 00:22:33,884 He has no level of personal accountability 419 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,886 as it relates to his poor behavior. 420 00:22:35,922 --> 00:22:37,988 His attempt to say it wasn't him is ridiculous. 421 00:22:38,091 --> 00:22:40,324 At one point, he's having sex with this woman, 422 00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:44,295 and somebody is yelling from another room, you know, 423 00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:47,865 "R. Kells, pick up the phone. It's phone for you..." 424 00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:49,300 and, like, yelling his name. 425 00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:51,969 PALLASCH: Eventually, 426 00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:54,472 bootleg copies of the tape start showing up 427 00:22:54,607 --> 00:22:55,840 around the country. 428 00:22:55,942 --> 00:22:57,274 People are watching it in clubs. 429 00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:59,043 MITCHELL: This tape was duplicated 430 00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,045 and was for sale all over the South Side. 431 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,247 So you could drive up to a, 432 00:23:03,282 --> 00:23:06,283 one of these, uh, outdoor flea markets and get a tape 433 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,018 of R. Kelly-- 434 00:23:08,121 --> 00:23:11,689 allegedly R. Kelly-- having sex with an underage girl. 435 00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:14,959 This is before the whole advent of-of sex tapes, 436 00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:18,829 and I think the tape came on VHS. 437 00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:21,632 As a matter of fact, it was a VHS tape. 438 00:23:21,667 --> 00:23:25,102 That tape was rushed to me from Chicago. 439 00:23:25,138 --> 00:23:30,908 I'm looking at this tape, I'm like, "Oh..." 440 00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:37,047 Robert has a problem. 441 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:38,249 A lot of people saw that pee tape. 442 00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:39,650 It was circulating in the streets, 443 00:23:39,685 --> 00:23:41,352 it was, like, a bootleg that went around. 444 00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:42,887 I don't remember what I was thinking at that time, 445 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:44,488 but I'm like, "How did he get away with this?" 446 00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:48,092 BURKE: When I think about 447 00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:51,762 this grown man urinating in the mouth of a child, 448 00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:54,765 and how degrading that is, when I first heard it, 449 00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:58,135 it just really concretized for me 450 00:23:58,171 --> 00:24:00,271 that this person is a monster. 451 00:24:02,842 --> 00:24:04,608 The tape is incredibly graphic. 452 00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:07,077 That makes it almost impossible-- 453 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:09,079 or should have made it impossible-- 454 00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:11,916 for people to pretend that they did not know 455 00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:15,586 that this person had a thing for little girls. 456 00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,755 It's strange. 457 00:24:17,857 --> 00:24:19,657 You have R. Kelly performing at the opening ceremonies 458 00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:23,661 of the Olympics... 459 00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:26,630 at the same time that there was this sex tape. 460 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:29,066 So for R. Kelly to be there, 461 00:24:29,202 --> 00:24:32,136 just speaks to how huge he was. 462 00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:35,139 ANN POWERS: The story of sexual predation 463 00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:39,009 as an inconvenience in popular music 464 00:24:39,045 --> 00:24:42,646 is so old. 465 00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:46,484 It's been going on for decades, centuries. 466 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:51,121 Nobody wants to give up the music they love 467 00:24:51,224 --> 00:24:54,792 and nobody wants to think badly of the artists they love. 468 00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:57,228 And I think that happened with R. Kelly. 469 00:24:57,263 --> 00:24:59,129 SPARKLE: I was pissed. 470 00:24:59,232 --> 00:25:00,631 I'm like, "Who would do this?" 471 00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:04,001 Not only was I pissed at Robert for filming this (bleep), 472 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,170 I was pissed at the person who put this out, 473 00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,139 because I'm like, "Look, this is a little girl on this tape." 474 00:25:09,242 --> 00:25:12,376 "Why would y'all do that?" 475 00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:14,411 CONWAY: I was made aware 476 00:25:14,447 --> 00:25:19,850 by, uh, some students that there was a, a, uh, tape, a sex tape. 477 00:25:19,886 --> 00:25:22,686 One of my basketball players with R. Kelly. 478 00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:26,190 Uh, and they were selling it on the West Side of Chicago. 479 00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:29,793 My specialty was sex crimes against minors 480 00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:31,629 for the Oak Park Police Department, 481 00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:35,332 so I went to the West Side, got a copy of this tape. 482 00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:37,334 And I actually saw it at the police station. 483 00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:39,970 It was just very disheartening, it was very sad. 484 00:25:40,106 --> 00:25:42,806 This was the first victim that I personally knew. 485 00:25:42,942 --> 00:25:45,009 And so, it was very heart-- uh, 486 00:25:45,111 --> 00:25:48,579 heartfelt to-to experience this, to see it, 487 00:25:48,614 --> 00:25:51,115 and felt that something had to be done about it. 488 00:25:52,952 --> 00:25:57,187 Watching the tape and just thinking about, you know, 489 00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:59,723 if that were me or if that were my daughter, 490 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,526 it just, obviously, tears me apart. 491 00:26:02,628 --> 00:26:05,229 I wouldn't want that to happen to any young lady 492 00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:07,197 who's still young, still figuring out life, 493 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:10,100 just looking up to this person who's supposed to be somebody 494 00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:13,804 that you trust and... 495 00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,308 that trust, obviously, being taken complete advantage of. 496 00:26:21,314 --> 00:26:23,113 PRODUCER: When you found out about that tape, 497 00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:25,849 can you tell me how you found out about it? 498 00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:33,624 (quietly): It don't even matter. 499 00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:38,596 It doesn't matter how I found out about that tape. 500 00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:41,298 What matters is that it existed. 501 00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:45,102 It doesn't matter. 502 00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:47,204 Who cares? 503 00:26:49,508 --> 00:26:51,542 Should've never happened. 504 00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:58,882 I love that baby. 505 00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:03,954 Like she was mine. 506 00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:07,625 That was my baby. 507 00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:11,895 And for him to do that to her... 508 00:27:21,374 --> 00:27:22,840 Man... 509 00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:31,215 I had just turned 20 years old. 510 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:36,654 I ended up, um, missing my period and I told Rob 511 00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:38,656 that I thought that I was pregnant. 512 00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:42,726 And he asked me to, um, did I take a pregnancy test? 513 00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:46,997 I told him I did, and, um, after that, he asked me 514 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:52,403 to get another test and then to take that one in front of him. 515 00:27:52,438 --> 00:27:55,472 And I did that, and it came up positive. 516 00:27:55,574 --> 00:27:58,409 And, um, he asked me what did I want to do, 517 00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:00,711 and I told him, "To get an abortion." 518 00:28:00,746 --> 00:28:04,548 He contacted his assistant 519 00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,850 and a week later, 520 00:28:06,952 --> 00:28:11,388 we went to Planned Parenthood and I had my abortion. 521 00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:15,459 It kind of was, like, the only option to me because, um, 522 00:28:15,494 --> 00:28:18,595 I didn't really want to have a kid by him. 523 00:28:18,631 --> 00:28:20,931 I was concerned with if it would be a girl, 524 00:28:20,966 --> 00:28:23,100 what I would have to deal with, so... 525 00:28:23,135 --> 00:28:25,135 I knew she would get older at some point. 526 00:28:25,171 --> 00:28:27,905 There were, there were things that I just had to think about 527 00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:30,407 in my mind, you know, "Okay, he did this 528 00:28:30,443 --> 00:28:32,810 "with someone else's, um, child, 529 00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:36,480 I mean, what would keep him from doing that to mine?" 530 00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,083 PRODUCER: What was he like as a father? 531 00:28:39,118 --> 00:28:41,852 Was he loving with your children? 532 00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:44,855 I think Robert loved our children 533 00:28:44,957 --> 00:28:46,657 the best way he knew how. 534 00:28:46,692 --> 00:28:49,393 He didn't have a father figure in his life, 535 00:28:49,495 --> 00:28:54,164 so he really didn't... know how to be a father. 536 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,633 He just knew how to provide. 537 00:28:58,471 --> 00:29:02,473 MITCHELL: The thing about Andrea Kelly and him marrying her 538 00:29:02,508 --> 00:29:05,309 is that nobody saw her after that. 539 00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,478 It was like she was locked up, 540 00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:10,380 uh, o-on their estate, and she wasn't allowed out. 541 00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:12,049 There were stories about-- 542 00:29:12,151 --> 00:29:14,752 that even if they, she wanted to get her hair done, 543 00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:18,088 or get her makeup done, the people had to come to her, 544 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:20,057 that she was not allowed to come out. 545 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,494 And so it was a real odd, strange situation. 546 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:26,497 People were wondering, especially journalists, 547 00:29:26,532 --> 00:29:28,799 why in the midst of all these allegations 548 00:29:28,834 --> 00:29:31,034 of him having sex with underage girls, 549 00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:33,170 number one, why would she marry him? 550 00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:37,007 And number two, was she really free to ever leave home? 551 00:29:37,042 --> 00:29:39,009 Was she a prisoner in her own home? 552 00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:41,445 Just, what that relationship was all about. 553 00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:43,247 There was a lot of speculation about 554 00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:46,450 what was going on in the Kelly household. 555 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:50,320 ANDREA: I would always hear rumors about, 556 00:29:50,356 --> 00:29:51,455 "Oh, he's being sued by this person, 557 00:29:51,557 --> 00:29:52,990 and sued by that person..." 558 00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:55,926 And it almost seemed like every other week, 559 00:29:56,028 --> 00:29:58,695 he was in the tabloids for something. 560 00:29:58,731 --> 00:30:00,197 Another person's coming forward, 561 00:30:00,232 --> 00:30:02,132 and I'm thinking to myself, like, 562 00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:04,134 "When did you have time? 563 00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:07,104 Are there more--" like, "Do you have a doppelganger around here 564 00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:09,306 that I don't know about?" Like, "When do you have time 565 00:30:09,408 --> 00:30:12,009 "to go to the studio, play basketball, come abuse me, 566 00:30:12,044 --> 00:30:13,877 "be a dad-- when you wanted to-- 567 00:30:13,913 --> 00:30:15,879 "and then go destroy other people's lives, 568 00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,881 and still be on the road and shoot videos?" 569 00:30:17,917 --> 00:30:21,552 Like, it was just, my mind couldn't fathom, like, 570 00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:24,788 "How are you doing all this?" 571 00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:27,224 And why didn't I know anything about it? 572 00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:31,495 And I think the frustration set in because it then became 573 00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:34,631 very real to me: "Drea, the reason why you don't know 574 00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:37,234 and he's able to do it, because he has people helping him." 575 00:30:39,305 --> 00:30:41,171 BURKE: He had to have backup 576 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:44,174 in order to continue this level of behavior that he had. 577 00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:46,543 His predatory behavior was supported 578 00:30:46,579 --> 00:30:49,012 by the people around him, in his camp. 579 00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:51,148 And also, it points, to me, to the person who understands 580 00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:52,950 that they're doing something wrong. 581 00:30:52,985 --> 00:30:54,751 Right? That you know that you're doing something wrong 582 00:30:54,787 --> 00:30:56,220 if you have to create systems 583 00:30:56,255 --> 00:30:58,555 to protect yourself from being exposed. 584 00:30:58,591 --> 00:31:01,859 PRODUCER: Did you ever meet his wife? 585 00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,795 Um, there were times where she'd be checking in 586 00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:06,997 to the same hotel as me at the same time. 587 00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:11,869 She might be with his publicist, and I'd be with his assistant. 588 00:31:11,971 --> 00:31:14,838 He kept us apart. 589 00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:17,040 You have your team, you have your cover-up people. 590 00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:19,476 You have lawyers settling claims out of court. 591 00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:22,246 Not trying to be funny: you don't read and write well, 592 00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:24,047 so you're not booking flights. 593 00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:26,016 Who's booking these flights? 594 00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:29,453 Who's-who's telling the driver to go pick people up? 595 00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:33,257 Who's getting these hotel rooms? He's not doing it on his own. 596 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,027 CRAIG: I tell you, I don't know if the music industry 597 00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,263 in all knew about what was going on with Rob, 598 00:31:39,298 --> 00:31:41,765 but I do know that around Rob's camp, 599 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,235 everyone knew, and nothing was done. 600 00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:47,170 And when you have those type of people 601 00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:51,775 who are your yes-men around you, uh, it will continue to happen. 602 00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,579 And if it wasn't right, it was obviously buried 603 00:31:55,681 --> 00:31:58,615 so that the rest of the world didn't know about it. 604 00:31:58,651 --> 00:32:01,084 DEMETRIUS: That's the way it was. 605 00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:03,053 It was every day, you know? 606 00:32:03,155 --> 00:32:06,189 It's the same routine, because he can have his way. 607 00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:09,159 We work for him, and this is what he wanted 608 00:32:09,194 --> 00:32:13,597 and so this is what we were supposed to get him. 609 00:32:13,699 --> 00:32:16,300 If you're an adult who's around him 610 00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:18,936 and you're aware and you're not saying anything, 611 00:32:19,038 --> 00:32:21,972 you're just as sick as he is. Please understand that. 612 00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,141 It doesn't make you any better because you're not doing it. 613 00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:25,776 If you're aware and you're not saying anything, 614 00:32:25,878 --> 00:32:27,644 you're just as sick. 615 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,181 LEMIEUX: You've had these relations with young girls. 616 00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,183 There's a video. We're not talking about rumors 617 00:32:33,218 --> 00:32:34,851 at this point, we're talking about something 618 00:32:34,887 --> 00:32:38,388 that we can watch, to this day. 619 00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:42,693 So it feels like they're taking a stand against black girls. 620 00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:46,029 It feels like they're taking a stance to say, 621 00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:49,866 "Protecting Robert Kelly and his ability to make music 622 00:32:49,902 --> 00:32:53,503 "and entertain fans means more than what he did 623 00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:56,673 in his private life with these little girls." 624 00:32:56,709 --> 00:33:00,310 (cheering) 625 00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:02,579 R. Kelly has done a really good job 626 00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:06,350 at sort of spreading himself around musically. 627 00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:08,652 So he's got these hypersexual songs 628 00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:10,654 like "Bump n' Grind," and then he's got 629 00:33:10,756 --> 00:33:14,624 the inspirational songs like "I Believe I Can Fly." 630 00:33:14,727 --> 00:33:16,994 And... (scoffs) I mean, you know, 631 00:33:17,096 --> 00:33:20,330 how can the guy who made "I Believe I Can Fly," 632 00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:23,667 which is played on Sunday mornings 633 00:33:23,769 --> 00:33:25,836 in church, in many black churches, 634 00:33:25,938 --> 00:33:30,874 how can that guy be wrong? 635 00:33:30,909 --> 00:33:34,845 One young exec stated, 636 00:33:34,947 --> 00:33:39,549 "I don't care if that is him on that tape, 637 00:33:39,585 --> 00:33:44,554 because we can't afford to lose him." 638 00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:48,558 I was like, "Wow. That's some serious (bleep)." 639 00:33:48,594 --> 00:33:51,428 Can't afford to lose him, 640 00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:57,067 and you don't care if it is him on this tape, with a young girl. 641 00:33:57,102 --> 00:33:59,069 I was like, "That shows what type of... 642 00:33:59,104 --> 00:34:02,172 (scoffs) person you are." 643 00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:04,474 When someone like R. Kelly gets in trouble, 644 00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:07,310 there-there's this knee-jerk instinct to protect him 645 00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:08,912 from "the system." 646 00:34:08,947 --> 00:34:11,915 From the hand of the law, from all these forces 647 00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:14,117 that are at play to make sure that black people-- 648 00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:15,552 black men in particular-- don't succeed. 649 00:34:15,654 --> 00:34:17,054 We have to stand by him. 650 00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:19,189 We have to take care of him. 651 00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:22,659 But his crimes were against black women and girls. 652 00:34:22,694 --> 00:34:27,130 And that was devastating for me, because at this point, 653 00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:30,233 we already knew, but now we know some more. 654 00:34:30,335 --> 00:34:32,869 You know, that this Aaliyah thing was not a moment. 655 00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:36,039 This wasn't, "Oh, my God, she was just so mature, 656 00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:37,808 she was just, I was just spellbound, 657 00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:39,443 there was just something about her." 658 00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:43,580 It wasn't just those rumors about Kenwood. 659 00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:46,416 It's on tape, and it's disgusting. 660 00:34:46,518 --> 00:34:48,318 And the tape is being distributed 661 00:34:48,353 --> 00:34:50,987 in-in barbershops and on porn sites 662 00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:53,256 and it's everywhere. 663 00:34:53,358 --> 00:34:55,659 And people are still not willing to say 664 00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,595 "I can't do this with you anymore." 665 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:12,809 and I told him that I just had seen a tape, 666 00:35:12,845 --> 00:35:16,012 and it showed our niece on it. 667 00:35:16,048 --> 00:35:18,648 You know, I didn't want to bring it to my sister 668 00:35:18,684 --> 00:35:22,185 because I don't know how to bring this to her. 669 00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:25,889 I couldn't really keep my head in the game at this point. 670 00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:29,826 What mattered was me protecting my family 671 00:35:29,862 --> 00:35:33,130 or-or me protecting my niece. You know what I mean? 672 00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:37,200 That's all that mattered to me. 673 00:35:37,236 --> 00:35:40,337 And I was estranged from the family. 674 00:35:40,372 --> 00:35:43,473 They felt like I was tarnishing the family's name. 675 00:35:43,509 --> 00:35:45,475 Tarnishing the family name? No. 676 00:35:45,511 --> 00:35:47,511 Robert tarnished the family's name 677 00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:51,982 by putting our niece, your daughter, out there like that. 678 00:35:52,084 --> 00:35:54,684 He set out to destroy that family. 679 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,686 That's what I believe, in my heart. 680 00:35:56,722 --> 00:35:59,122 I believe he tried to divide 681 00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:02,959 that family with his poor behavior. 682 00:36:03,095 --> 00:36:07,697 Sparkle is my friend, she is my son's godmother. 683 00:36:07,733 --> 00:36:11,401 She has been and is like a mother to me. 684 00:36:11,436 --> 00:36:14,171 I have always been her little girl, 685 00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:18,675 and I will always be her little girl. 686 00:36:20,913 --> 00:36:25,115 And I watched my friend give up her career to save her family. 687 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:26,850 Robert knows what he did. 688 00:36:26,952 --> 00:36:28,952 He's not confused about what he did. 689 00:36:30,489 --> 00:36:32,889 Once I came out publicly, 690 00:36:32,925 --> 00:36:35,225 yeah, there was a lot of blowback. 691 00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:39,596 People were unbelieving, people thought I was hating. 692 00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,898 People thought I was jealous. 693 00:36:41,934 --> 00:36:45,202 People were still able to dismiss Sparkle 694 00:36:45,304 --> 00:36:48,271 because they felt like she's just trying to get money. 695 00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:49,839 What happened to Sparkle is like, 696 00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:52,375 "You are messing with the money, 697 00:36:52,411 --> 00:36:56,680 "you are in violation, you are talking out of turn, 698 00:36:56,815 --> 00:36:59,082 and now we're gonna shut you down." 699 00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:03,286 It run the gamut of loaded and unloaded (bleep) 700 00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:06,122 that people were saying about me, to me, 701 00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:09,092 to-- about my family, you know, about my niece. 702 00:37:09,127 --> 00:37:12,195 Her being a little fast girl, like, come on. 703 00:37:12,331 --> 00:37:13,797 She's 14 years old. 704 00:37:13,832 --> 00:37:17,400 The adult is supposed to know not to touch that. 705 00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:21,705 GENGLER: I just remember being completely blown away, 706 00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:26,543 and for this to be happening not only with a high-profile person 707 00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:28,945 that you look up to and admire, 708 00:37:28,981 --> 00:37:31,815 but also somebody that you were very close with, 709 00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:33,583 and at the time, thought everything was fine. 710 00:37:33,619 --> 00:37:36,386 I felt really upset because at the same time, 711 00:37:36,521 --> 00:37:38,388 I'm like, "Well, why wasn't I there for her? 712 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,890 How did I not know? How could I have been there for her?" 713 00:37:41,026 --> 00:37:43,893 Thinking all these things that I could've done. 714 00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:45,629 (film projector clicking) 715 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:47,397 JOVANTE: He has no moral clock. 716 00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:50,000 And I can only imagine what 717 00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:55,005 his wife and his children have endured and did endure. 718 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,841 I can only imagine. I know what I've seen. 719 00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:00,210 I can only imagine. 720 00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:02,646 I can only imagine. 721 00:38:02,681 --> 00:38:04,614 -ED GORDON: You also have a family. -Yeah. 722 00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,150 How are they dealing with this? You have two children. 723 00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:09,619 Well, my wife is totally behind me, because she knows the truth, 724 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,955 and-and she's in my corner. 725 00:38:13,825 --> 00:38:16,826 ANDREA: He put me on the bus in the middle of the night, 726 00:38:16,862 --> 00:38:20,363 did not tell me why we're going, 727 00:38:20,399 --> 00:38:21,531 what we're going for. 728 00:38:21,566 --> 00:38:23,199 He shipped me off to Florida, 729 00:38:23,235 --> 00:38:25,135 and I'm just staying in this house. 730 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:27,537 I don't know what's going on, I got security at the door, 731 00:38:27,572 --> 00:38:29,172 nobody's telling me anything, like, 732 00:38:29,207 --> 00:38:31,041 "Why are we here, why did we leave Illinois?" 733 00:38:31,076 --> 00:38:33,476 I'm pregnant, I'm supposed to be going to the doctor, 734 00:38:33,578 --> 00:38:35,111 at least once a week at this point. 735 00:38:35,247 --> 00:38:37,347 I should not be traveling. "What is going on?" 736 00:38:37,382 --> 00:38:40,350 No one would tell me anything. 737 00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:42,118 I was just broken. 738 00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:50,093 the allegations had come. 739 00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,295 It was known this tape was there, prior. 740 00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:54,364 It was obviously buried 741 00:38:54,399 --> 00:38:57,334 so that the rest of the world didn't know about it, 742 00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:00,270 until this tape and those allegations popped up. 743 00:39:03,208 --> 00:39:06,876 He put me on the bus in the middle of the night, 744 00:39:06,912 --> 00:39:10,046 did not tell me why we're going, what we're going for. 745 00:39:10,082 --> 00:39:11,715 He shipped me off to Florida, 746 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:13,516 and I'm just staying in this house. 747 00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:15,518 I don't know what's going on, I got security at the door, 748 00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:17,454 nobody's telling me anything, like, 749 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:20,390 "Why are we here, why did we leave Illinois?" I'm pregnant. 750 00:39:24,596 --> 00:39:25,862 I'm supposed to be going to the doctor, 751 00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:27,497 at least once a week at this point. 752 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,666 I should not be traveling. "What is going on?" 753 00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:32,235 No one would tell me anything. 754 00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:37,974 I was under so much stress that when I went to the ob-gyn, 755 00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:40,410 they couldn't find his heartbeat. 756 00:39:40,445 --> 00:39:43,012 And I remember getting to the emergency room 757 00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:44,447 and my best friend Angie was with me 758 00:39:44,483 --> 00:39:46,182 and I just remember coming through the door 759 00:39:46,218 --> 00:39:48,385 and they had papers and signing and people were grabbing me 760 00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,887 and putting stuff in my arm and I'm like, "Wait, wait, 761 00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,822 wait, wait," like, "what are you guys doing?" 762 00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:55,792 And they're like, "We have to induce your labor right away, 763 00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:58,328 because we don't know if the baby's gonna make it." 764 00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:05,969 I just remember them laying me on the bed, 765 00:40:06,004 --> 00:40:07,804 and they were like, "We're gonna give you Pitocin, 766 00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:11,674 we're gonna get this going. Come on, Mom." 767 00:40:11,777 --> 00:40:13,877 And I went through the labor, and I just remember 768 00:40:13,979 --> 00:40:15,612 falling so in love with Little Rob 769 00:40:15,647 --> 00:40:19,282 because he came here so strong, 770 00:40:19,317 --> 00:40:21,384 but I was in that much stress 771 00:40:21,486 --> 00:40:25,588 that it put my unborn child's life in jeopardy. 772 00:40:25,624 --> 00:40:29,125 'Cause here I am, by myself in Florida. 773 00:40:29,161 --> 00:40:34,097 I don't know anybody, I just have my best friend. 774 00:40:34,132 --> 00:40:37,534 And they eventually, again, had to go through ten people 775 00:40:37,636 --> 00:40:40,637 to get him on the phone. (sniffles) 776 00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:43,973 "Mr. Kelly, do you know that they induced your wife's labor? 777 00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:46,309 Like, she just had Little Rob." 778 00:40:46,344 --> 00:40:48,511 (sniffles) He said he was coming back. 779 00:40:48,547 --> 00:40:52,415 But again, I don't know where he is. 780 00:40:52,451 --> 00:40:55,118 And I remember after having him, that's when that day happened. 781 00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:57,787 MAN: Mr. Kelly has been indicted. 782 00:40:57,823 --> 00:40:59,923 There's been a warrant issued for his arrest, 783 00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:02,091 and the Chicago Police Department is currently seeking 784 00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:04,060 to arrest Mr. Kelly. 785 00:41:04,162 --> 00:41:06,463 RICHARD DEVINE: We charge that the acts took place 786 00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:08,264 in Kelly's home in Chicago. 787 00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:11,067 These indictments, hopefully, will send a message 788 00:41:11,169 --> 00:41:15,004 to sexual predators that taking advantage of minors 789 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,008 will not be tolerated and that there are severe penalties. 790 00:41:19,044 --> 00:41:21,044 I'm sitting here with the baby, and then it 791 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,146 comes across the screen, they're like, 792 00:41:23,181 --> 00:41:25,715 "R&B singer R. Kelly has been arrested 793 00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,151 on child pornography," and I just remember 794 00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:31,120 my best friend was with me... and she said 795 00:41:31,223 --> 00:41:33,690 she don't know what happened, but my body went limp, 796 00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:37,627 and she said she caught Little Rob before he hit the floor. 797 00:41:37,729 --> 00:41:42,365 And I remember, like, a buzzing sound. 798 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,634 It almost felt like I couldn't hear. 799 00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:46,369 And I saw the screen, 800 00:41:46,404 --> 00:41:49,005 and they showed his name and the police, and... 801 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,877 I just, I don't even remember a lot after that. 802 00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:56,913 REPORTER: What about the child porn charges? 803 00:41:56,948 --> 00:41:59,382 (women shouting) 74191

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