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Cool funky music.
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When you talk about,
like, our differences,
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Brock doesn't care about things
in the way that I care about
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them.
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Like, we're... we're not
aligned on how we see the world,
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like how we envision the future.
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I am pretty radical.
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Like, I'm basically a Marxist.
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I'm liberal, but
I'm not Marxist.
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You're a very...
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traditional guy, I'm a
very non-traditional person,
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and, like, that's not tenable!
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If I say one wrong thing,
like, we are launching into the
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stratosphere of argument.
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- No, no, no!
- Just say it!
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That's what you told
me you wanted to do!
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- No, that's not what I said!
- You're beating around the bush
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- here!
- But even if it's part of it...
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That's not what I said!-
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I'm not gonna be a
guru and kiss your ring!
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I just want you to finally...
It's like if I've actually done
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- my job, you will be with me!
- Oh my gosh, Kristi!
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Our parents chose the
church over their children!
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Our parents chose their
children in the construct of the
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church!
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It sounds shitty but, like,
your opinion doesn't hold as
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much weight to me!
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Well, then, yeah,
like, we have a problem.
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The way I grew up, like,
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homogeneity meant safety,
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and meant that you would be
together with your family
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forever.
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And so for you to
think differently...
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like, I didn't grow up where
that was okay.
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You know?
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Cool ethereal music.
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One of the things
people have to deal with is the
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otherness of their partner.
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I mean, often people
then try to deny it
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or control it.
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What are your politics of how
do you negotiate difference?
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So for now, her
politics of working that through
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are to try to get him
to change, to submit.
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Yeah.
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She's not allowing
herself to actually see him,
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but she keeps kind
of pressuring him.
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So we just signed a
lease on a new apartment...
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together.
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Yup.
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Not now; it'll
happen in a few months.
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Uh-huh.
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- Yeah.
- So...
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- Excited...
- And now, we're like...
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- Also nervous.
- Nervous.
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Very nervous.
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But can we just
backtrack a little bit?
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So...
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the decision to move
back in together...
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Mm-hm.
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Tell me about that.
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I think that, like...
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I mean, have you
been talking about it?
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Not really, honestly.
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Not really.
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But, like, honestly, a lot
of it's financially driven.
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Mm-hm.
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Which... actually, that... like,
that's the primary motivating
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- force for me too.
- Yeah.
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And that's a little scary that
that's the motivating force.
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- Mm-hm.
- Yeah.
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That freaks me out a little bit.
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- Mm-hm.
- Mm-hm.
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I'm thinking a lot about,
like, this feeling I've had of
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independence, right?
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Of freedom.
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Like, how do I
maintain that now...
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- Mm-hm.
- In a shared space?
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And so, like, I felt good
about the unit... I liked it...
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But I definitely saw in my
head separate living spaces.
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Like, I... I saw that.
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What do you mean?
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Like, a place for me to
go at night and sleep,
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and, like, have
my night routine.
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And that's why we kind of
argued... we were arguing
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yesterday, 'cause I
really wanted a Murphy bed.
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Mm-hm.
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I want a bed that
I can pull down,
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- and it's my bed, right?
- Mm-hm.
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But it's still a one-bedroom;
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It's still not a ton of space.
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Like, I don't know if I want a
Murphy bed taking up a quarter
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of the one shared
living space, and...
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Yeah.
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I was kind of
envisioning that, like,
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we sleep in the same bed again.
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Like, if you don't
wanna live me with,
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then why are we getting
this one-bedroom apartment?
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Like...
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Well, I do wanna live with you,
but I don't really see a problem
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with having a separate...
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bed space.
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Yeah...
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I dunno.
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Well...
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Are you open to
being flexible on that?
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Or is it "I can only
sign the lease if we're... ".
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No! I just don't think
that makes a lot of...
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I don't know, I just don't...
I just don't...
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That just doesn't make
a lot of sense to me.
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Like, are we
coming together or not?
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Are you... can you tell
something about how you're
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feeling about what Brock is
saying... that he's suggesting
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that you sleep separately?
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How are you feeling about it?
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I'm feeling sad...
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that, like, you're not excited.
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It sounds like this is
gonna be like, what?
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You...
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plugging your nose and
swallowing this decision down?
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Like, I didn't think that
it would be this, like...
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huge negotiation to, like,
sleep in the same fucking bed!
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Well, try...
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I mean, you're getting mad...
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But you're saying
that underneath,
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it sounds like you're hurt?
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Yeah!
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Because you're understanding it
as a statement that Brock is...
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I mean, it definitely
feels like a rejection.
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Obviously.
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A rejection of?
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Being with me?
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Loving me?
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Wanting to be in
partnership with me?
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Mm-hm.
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I understand that when
you interpret something as
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rejecting,
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it can make you kind of tight
and protective of yourself,
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but I don't know if
that's what's going on.
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Mm-hm.
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So...
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maybe you can ask,
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openly, if that's
what it's about.
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I... yeah.
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Is... I know... it feels
stupid to even ask 'cause I know
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you're gonna say
that's not what it's about,
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that you literally... it's
so surface level for you,
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that you just wanna
sleep in your own space.
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- Well...
- Wait, ask!
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- Damn!
- Ask!
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- Damn, girl!
- Okay!
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- That's quite an assumption!
- Is that what's it about?
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No.
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But what it is about is...
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like, the last
couple years, like,
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I have...
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I feel like I've grown so
much as an individual...
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And I know that you have too...
In our own spaces.
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And part of it is me kind
of just being afraid...
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Of, like...
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like, losing that.
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And so, it's not a
rejection of you.
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Like, I'm trying to, like...
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I'm really trying
to preserve, like,
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that part.
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Does that make sense?
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Yeah, it makes sense;
It's what I th... yeah!
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But I'm saying that, like,
moving into a one-bedroom
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apartment with me...
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feels like us both compromising,
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us both agreeing to give
up our individual spaces
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to come together!
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And it feels like I'm
willing to do that,
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but you're not!
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And so I'm, like,
here now being like,
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"What gives?!"
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I'm just confused.
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Wait, do you feel like
you're giving up autonomy too?
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Yes, yes, uh-huh!
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Willingly!
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But do you... would
you like to have that?
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Because...
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No, I'm giving some up to
move into an apartment with you!
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And it feels like you don't
wanna do that same thing!
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Because we don't have
to make that sacrifice.
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So I don't really see it as
a sacrifice because it's not
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something we have to make.
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Oh my God...
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I don't... I...
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I have a really hard
time understanding,
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because it's like...
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Well, I wish you woulda thought
of this before we went through...
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I did!
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- No, Kristi...
- Hold on a second.
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I did think about it!
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Hold on a
second, hold on a second.
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Kristi, I...
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I wanna help you...
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figure this out together, but...
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this contempt is defensive.
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It's not gonna help you.
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Try to have a
conversation without the...
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Yeah, I can try, but he,
like... but I also feel like,
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Brock, you d... I feel like I
have to fight so hard for,
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like, the validity of, like,
my preferences and opinions
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because...
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you devalue them!
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So it's just like I'm over
here fighting for my life,
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- like, trying to, like...
- Listen, listen.
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I don't hear it exactly; it
sounds to me like you have two
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different visions of how you
want this one-bedroom to feel
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like and look like.
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Yeah, apparently.
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But that's...
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this business of difference.
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What is difficult for you
about what Brock is wanting for
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himself?
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It's something about the
way the apartment will look?
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Or maybe something
about the meaning of this?
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Yeah!
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Basically...
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it's just hard to just so
not see this the same way!
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I'm thinking of, like...
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the story of our
life as a couple...
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is in boxes above
your bedroom right now.
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And I was so excited to, like,
finally move into a space where
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we could bring that
down and onto the walls!
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- That's all up in boxes!
- Yeah.
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And so when I
looked at that apartment,
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I was like, "Here's a space
where we can... that can finally"
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feel like home.
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Like, finally feel like home!
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This is a coming together, and
it's making a home together.
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"Like, it's going to feel
like our first apartment!"
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Do you kind
of see it as a restart?
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- Kind of.
- Yeah.
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So it's like if you
don't want that again...
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it feels like you don't want us.
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And now I get it.
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Mellow ethereal music.
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As fucked up as
my childhood was,
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you...
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trying to explore that with me
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has bothered the f...
The shit out of me.
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Like, all week, I'm like,
"What was she trying to get at?"
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It was bothering me that
I didn't understand...
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Mm-hm.
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Like, 'cause it...
It felt like a...
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You know, there's
the things you know,
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the things you know
you don't know,
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and the things you
don't know you don't know.
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Right.
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It sat in a place that I
don't know I don't know.
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Yeah.
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And it was driving me crazy.
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So I'm, like, sitting there...
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That's a really
good way of putting it.
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Yeah.
258
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One thing that happens is when
there's a very intense thing
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that gets triggered
in the relationship,
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often it comes not only
from what's going on,
261
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let's say,
between the two of you,
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but also fueled by
things from your past.
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Yup.
264
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And the pain and
loneliness that you described,
265
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it was such a palpable
description and it was so alive
266
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the way you
described it that it...
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it had a feeling that you're...
268
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almost like you're
channeling something
269
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that's way beyond
the two of you.
270
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Yeah.
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You know, something that kept
replaying in my head this past
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week was, um, these very small
micro moments throughout my
273
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- childhood, like...
- Tell me!
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I went really long periods of
time where my mom and my dad
275
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- were separating...
- Mm-hm.
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- I couldn't see my dad.
- Mm!
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And my dad was my best friend.
278
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Mm-hm.
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Like, I loved my dad,
I looked up to my dad,
280
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he was like a superhero to me.
281
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Like, if I could be half
the father my dad was,
282
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like... I'm... I wanna cry
right now thinking about it.
283
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Mm-hm.
284
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But, like, if I could be
half the father my dad was,
285
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I... I'd be proud of
myself, because my dad,
286
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against...
287
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He didn't... he could've
been like any of his peers.
288
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Mm-hm.
289
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My dad grew up in the
projects of Brooklyn,
290
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and there's many, many other
fathers that just decided not to
291
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- be in their...
- Right.
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Their children's lives,
especially in an adversary like
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my mother.
294
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But my dad, by any means,
made sure he was in my life.
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He would sneak me a
phone and be like,
296
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"This is how I'm gonna call
you, I'll meet you here at this
297
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time," bring me
an Easter basket.
298
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You know, like, he would do
these things that really meant a
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lot to me.
300
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So when I was
able to explore it,
301
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it made me realize that
feeling of loneliness stems from
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the moments where I h... my...
303
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I felt like I was
being kept from my dad.
304
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Mm-hm.
305
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That's... I really appreciate the
way you're talking about it and
306
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following your own process.
307
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,300
And did you also allow yourself
to get connected to these
308
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feelings of, like, longing
and loneliness and abandonment?
309
00:14:08,650 --> 00:14:09,470
Yeah.
310
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Yeah, I think...
311
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the f...
312
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I... I don't think I
resolved them in the way that...
313
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No!
314
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But I think I
understood them a bit more.
315
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Mm-hm.
316
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But I think at the same time,
317
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I feel justified
in what I feel...
318
00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:24,220
- Yeah!
- In my relationship...
319
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My current relationship
with Natasha.
320
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Like, I feel justified...
321
00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,830
Well, the thi... of
course you're justified!
322
00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:31,660
Let's say, I
don't know, Natasha,
323
00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:33,336
I don't know if you have
any thoughts about this...
324
00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,250
How this connects to
your dynamic... but...
325
00:14:36,450 --> 00:14:37,676
I think if I was
to look at it from, like,
326
00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:39,170
a "therapy" perspective...
327
00:14:39,370 --> 00:14:40,420
Mm-hm, mm-hm.
328
00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:42,670
Is that if he is
feeling in any way,
329
00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:45,840
like, a parallel
with his father,
330
00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,320
anything that
happens between us,
331
00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:48,850
I become a
parallel to his mother.
332
00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:49,550
Mm-hm.
333
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:53,520
And that could be really
tough to... to reconcile with,
334
00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,270
- right?
- Yeah.
335
00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:56,310
And so it may be
really easy to go back there.
336
00:14:56,510 --> 00:14:58,116
I mean, this might
sound a little strange,
337
00:14:58,140 --> 00:15:01,360
but one thought I'm having is
that it's almost like Natasha,
338
00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:02,690
you're...
339
00:15:02,890 --> 00:15:06,530
by withholding your...
340
00:15:06,730 --> 00:15:09,530
warmth and intimacy,
341
00:15:09,730 --> 00:15:13,700
you're the mom
holding back the dad...
342
00:15:13,900 --> 00:15:15,210
Oh, yikes.
343
00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:17,370
From Josh.
344
00:15:17,570 --> 00:15:19,210
You're holding
back the good stuff.
345
00:15:19,410 --> 00:15:21,250
Yeah.
346
00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:23,880
Wow.
347
00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,560
- I could see that connection.
- Yeah.
348
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:28,640
And, like, to be that in any
capacity is sort of like...
349
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:29,200
shocking.
350
00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,890
Like, I kinda just
wanna push it away.
351
00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:32,236
It's not a
comfortable thought to have.
352
00:15:32,260 --> 00:15:33,930
Mm-hm.
353
00:15:34,220 --> 00:15:36,480
That's intr... you
know, that's really interesting.
354
00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,826
I just feel like... I feel like
another door opened inside my
355
00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:39,060
- brain.
- Mm-hm.
356
00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:41,150
I'm like, "Okay, I gotta...
357
00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:41,710
you know."
358
00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:43,400
Like, there's these
rooms in my brain,
359
00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,906
and they're, like,
nice and organized and
360
00:15:44,930 --> 00:15:46,030
compartmentalized...
361
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:47,576
And I'm like, "I did
all this work in there."
362
00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,130
And I'm like, "Oh..."
363
00:15:48,330 --> 00:15:50,410
Like, I moved the bookshelf
and there's another door,
364
00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:51,916
and I'm like, "Where the
fuck did this door come from?
365
00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:52,450
It's hella dusty.
366
00:15:52,650 --> 00:15:54,650
And I opened it, and it's
just fucked up and messy!
367
00:15:54,740 --> 00:15:55,290
And I'm like, "Ahh!"
368
00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:57,410
"There's just a little
much work to do in there!"
369
00:15:57,450 --> 00:15:58,040
Uh-huh.
370
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,096
That's what it feels like just
happened at this very moment.
371
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,750
I'm like...
372
00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,250
Yeah.
373
00:16:04,450 --> 00:16:09,460
Cool mellow music.
374
00:16:39,490 --> 00:16:42,790
I'm finding it very
difficult for them to break up.
375
00:16:42,990 --> 00:16:43,590
Yeah.
376
00:16:43,790 --> 00:16:46,800
Part of it is I'm aware of the
fact that I'm charmed by them.
377
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,050
Mm-hm.
378
00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:50,720
And like spending
time with them together.
379
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,640
I have this fantasy
in my mind, "Okay,
380
00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,470
well, break up for a few
years, and then come back."
381
00:16:56,670 --> 00:17:01,680
It's possible that this
isn't really about their not...
382
00:17:03,100 --> 00:17:04,310
being a good match,
383
00:17:04,510 --> 00:17:07,570
but maybe things are being
acted out right now...
384
00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:08,230
Mm-hm.
385
00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:11,150
That are destructive,
but it doesn't mean that,
386
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:15,490
with some analysis, it
can't be sorted through.
387
00:17:15,690 --> 00:17:18,330
Yes, so that's what I
guess I wanted your minds on,
388
00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:22,500
because it has another layer of
resonance and meaning for me to
389
00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:26,840
be working with them because of
this kind of tortured part of
390
00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,320
the Earth that we all come from.
391
00:17:28,370 --> 00:17:29,370
Mm-hm.
392
00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:31,510
Just... it's all
about the Middle East!
393
00:17:31,710 --> 00:17:34,050
It's... it's like...
394
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:37,350
Yeah, I could cry saying that.
395
00:17:37,550 --> 00:17:40,350
They're the only couple that
every time they walk in and
396
00:17:40,550 --> 00:17:42,100
leave, we hug.
397
00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:43,440
Mm!
398
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,020
It's like...
399
00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:46,650
Mm!
400
00:17:46,850 --> 00:17:48,536
So is this what it's... I don't
know what it's like for you
401
00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,780
guys, but just with working
with people who are like you,
402
00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:55,370
who look like you, who
are going through...
403
00:17:55,570 --> 00:17:59,700
But they're like me, yet
we're separated by this horrible
404
00:17:59,900 --> 00:18:00,390
divide.
405
00:18:00,590 --> 00:18:03,120
It's our army that's
responsible for the bombs that
406
00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,910
- she... traumatized her.
- Yeah.
407
00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:09,380
But maybe that's why you're so
invested in keeping the two of
408
00:18:09,580 --> 00:18:11,050
- them together.
- Yes.
409
00:18:11,250 --> 00:18:14,380
It triggers kind of a
layer of fantasy that...
410
00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:17,140
"Oh my God, here, we
can all get along!"
411
00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:19,470
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
412
00:18:19,670 --> 00:18:21,600
Mm-hm.
413
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,060
- How are the animals?
- So good.
414
00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:28,260
They miss you.
415
00:18:28,350 --> 00:18:28,920
How do you know?
416
00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:32,900
Um, because, like, I feel like
you're better at giving cuddles
417
00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:34,100
than I am.
418
00:18:34,270 --> 00:18:35,070
How sad!
419
00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:36,070
Well, I mean, I
think it's normal.
420
00:18:36,270 --> 00:18:37,496
I think they've had two years...
421
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,910
Oh, yeah, yeah.
422
00:18:40,110 --> 00:18:40,580
Hello!
423
00:18:40,780 --> 00:18:41,830
- Hi.
- Hi!
424
00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:43,580
- Hi, baby!
- Hey!
425
00:18:43,780 --> 00:18:45,790
Happy to see you!
426
00:18:46,290 --> 00:18:48,750
So I've started
sleeping at a different place.
427
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:52,090
But I'm also still paying
rent to where we live together.
428
00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:55,430
I think space has been
instrumental in improving my
429
00:18:55,630 --> 00:18:56,340
mental health.
430
00:18:56,540 --> 00:18:58,260
I feel, like, 20 times better.
431
00:18:58,460 --> 00:18:59,010
Mm-hm.
432
00:18:59,210 --> 00:19:01,850
But on Friday, and I came
over, and I got really upset,
433
00:19:02,050 --> 00:19:03,270
and I was, like, yelling.
434
00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:06,310
- I lost my temper.
- About what?
435
00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:10,270
Do...
436
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:11,470
Yeah?
437
00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:12,570
Do I talk about it?
438
00:19:12,770 --> 00:19:13,916
I don't know what
you're talking about.
439
00:19:13,940 --> 00:19:15,950
Oh, okay, well, I
guess let's talk about it.
440
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:17,700
When I found that thing.
441
00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:19,370
Oh!
442
00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:20,570
Oh! Okay.
443
00:19:20,650 --> 00:19:21,120
I remember.
444
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,120
We had a
little bit of a "sitiation"...
445
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:24,810
God...
446
00:19:25,010 --> 00:19:29,630
Where, um, Christine
happened upon one of my bags,
447
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:31,290
thought she saw something...
448
00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:33,710
Well, it... it was
still not great.
449
00:19:33,910 --> 00:19:34,910
Okay, well...
450
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:35,340
Well, I'm just...
451
00:19:35,540 --> 00:19:37,300
Why are we so
mysterious about this?
452
00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:38,720
No, it...
453
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,050
- No, she found something...
- Can we just say it?
454
00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:42,486
- Can we get to the point?
- No!
455
00:19:42,510 --> 00:19:43,640
Oh, okay.
456
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,730
Something related to sex.
457
00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:46,980
Not for us.
458
00:19:47,180 --> 00:19:49,150
So then, she um...
459
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:50,980
Got mad! I got mad.
460
00:19:51,180 --> 00:19:53,820
That's an example of the things
that I don't wanna see and stuff
461
00:19:54,020 --> 00:19:55,496
- that I struggle with.
- And I totally understand.
462
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,800
So when I found the sex thing...
463
00:19:56,940 --> 00:19:57,940
Mm-hm.
464
00:19:58,100 --> 00:19:59,580
She went and looked
through my things.
465
00:19:59,650 --> 00:20:01,336
- I didn't even use said thing.
- But Nadine...
466
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,666
So then she's
yelling at me, I'm like,
467
00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:03,990
"What is happening?"
468
00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:06,256
And she didn't say anything
about the thing that she saw
469
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,676
because she knew
that that probably w...
470
00:20:07,700 --> 00:20:09,000
- What was she yelling?
- Uh...
471
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,170
- Oh, I feel like...
- I checked out.
472
00:20:11,370 --> 00:20:13,000
Nadine keeps
downplaying everything,
473
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,760
saying, like, "No,
you should stay here!
474
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:16,186
You won't even know
when I'm seeing her!"
475
00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:16,780
This and that.
476
00:20:16,980 --> 00:20:19,300
But I was like, "I don't wanna
see you come and go with the
477
00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:20,680
other person."
478
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,100
But you're arguing for the
two of you to continue living
479
00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:24,100
- together?
- Yes.
480
00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:25,606
- And I'm like...
- Hold... hold...
481
00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:27,026
"It's bad for my
mental health, girl!"
482
00:20:27,050 --> 00:20:28,430
Hold on, sister!
483
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:29,940
Um...
484
00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:32,860
what I was sugge... I was
saying that I want you to know,
485
00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:34,580
like, I'm okay with,
like, you staying.
486
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,780
Like, we can figure
whatever you wanna figure out.
487
00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:38,706
But she was, like, just
getting really upset,
488
00:20:38,730 --> 00:20:39,860
and it felt like...
489
00:20:40,060 --> 00:20:41,490
I didn't know what set her off...
490
00:20:41,690 --> 00:20:45,030
But she's getting upset because
you're saying you don't like to
491
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:48,450
be... for things to be in your
face what Nadine is doing.
492
00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:49,210
Yes!
493
00:20:49,410 --> 00:20:52,250
So why still live together?
494
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,540
I love her.
495
00:20:54,740 --> 00:20:57,056
If anything, I feel more love,
more... probably 'cause of the
496
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:58,080
- space and...
- Mm-hm.
497
00:20:58,210 --> 00:20:59,650
- All of that, right?
- Mm-hm, mm-hm.
498
00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:02,110
Um, so it's like my feelings
aren't necessarily diminishing,
499
00:21:02,170 --> 00:21:03,730
they're going in the
opposite direction.
500
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,560
And, to be fair,
sister, to be fair,
501
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,640
she was still very inclined
to, like, come home.
502
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,066
She'd be like,
"Oh, I forgot this!"
503
00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:10,890
And then, like,
would come home...
504
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:12,980
Well, I also love you too!
505
00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:14,180
I agree!
506
00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:15,480
"I forgot a hair, um..."
507
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,326
- Yeah, she'll be like...
- "At the apartment."
508
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:18,150
- "I need to come in."
- "I left a hair tie."
509
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:18,880
Yeah.
510
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,746
I'm like, "Girl, you don't
even wear hair ties but okay."
511
00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:22,160
Um, so, like,
512
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:22,950
it's also like that.
513
00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:25,710
Like, clearly, there's some part
of you that wants to be here too
514
00:21:25,780 --> 00:21:26,310
- so, like...
- Yeah, of course.
515
00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:29,410
I don't see... uh, I mean,
there's obviously
516
00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:31,170
- real issues...
- You're not suffering?
517
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,750
Uh, not in the same way.
518
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:35,006
No, that's not true, because
these outbursts and these
519
00:21:35,030 --> 00:21:35,460
things, everything's tough.
520
00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:37,090
You suffer
when there's an outburst.
521
00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:39,090
Yeah, but otherwise, um, I...
522
00:21:39,290 --> 00:21:40,690
But if Christine
would keep it in...
523
00:21:40,790 --> 00:21:41,790
Was okay...
524
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,840
You wouldn't suffer?
525
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,340
Yeah.
526
00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:45,260
But Christine is suffering.
527
00:21:45,460 --> 00:21:46,890
Yes.
528
00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:51,100
Why would both of you ask to be
in a situation where one of you
529
00:21:51,300 --> 00:21:53,440
needs to ignore
something that's happening?
530
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,020
Thank you.
531
00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:58,270
That's kinda
crazy-making for both of you.
532
00:21:58,470 --> 00:22:00,440
I think it's I grew up
in spaces and, like,
533
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,786
was comfortable
being uncomfortable,
534
00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:02,340
and, like, I'm
good at, like, just, like,
535
00:22:02,540 --> 00:22:04,950
ffp-ffp-ffp, like, turning
certain things off and, like...
536
00:22:05,150 --> 00:22:07,200
- That's not good for you!
- I agree, yeah.
537
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,450
- Mm-hm.
- It's not good for you.
538
00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:10,870
It just makes me super sad.
539
00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:13,210
Yeah, I'm sad too.
540
00:22:13,410 --> 00:22:15,630
- Um...
- Say?
541
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:18,040
Oh, it's so sad, so sad.
542
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,426
I hate that we're
not living together.
543
00:22:19,450 --> 00:22:22,130
I hate, like, knowing
that you're near...
544
00:22:22,330 --> 00:22:22,900
and, like, not here.
545
00:22:23,100 --> 00:22:25,890
I hate, like, that we have
animals and we're not together.
546
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:27,530
It really bums me
out big time, yeah.
547
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:28,970
Yeah, yeah.
548
00:22:29,170 --> 00:22:31,060
Um...
549
00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:33,180
yeah.
550
00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:36,770
I hear ya.
551
00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:39,980
But Nadine, you mention that you
want to have a relationship with
552
00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:41,980
this other... or
whoever else, and already,
553
00:22:42,190 --> 00:22:43,550
you're treating
the other person...
554
00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:44,150
Yeah.
555
00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:46,166
With more respect and
consideration than you treated
556
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:47,830
me, which is another
reason why I'm angry.
557
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:48,430
Mm-hm.
558
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:50,336
But of course, good for
her, wonderful person,
559
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:51,830
but... what the heck?!
560
00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:53,910
- Yeah.
- I deserve the same!
561
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:54,690
Mm.
562
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:58,170
Like, I... I don't understand
why you think that you can step
563
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:59,840
all over me!
564
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,510
It hurts my feelings that I know
you have the capacity to move
565
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:06,510
through relationships
with consideration!
566
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:10,510
Baby, I do have a capacity,
and I think that I was trying to
567
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:12,190
move... you need to
understand, like,
568
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:14,850
when I'm in a state of feeling
like somebody's all over me,
569
00:23:15,050 --> 00:23:17,250
when I'm in a state of feeling
like no matter what I do,
570
00:23:17,390 --> 00:23:20,360
it's gonna be a problem, when
I'm in a state of feeling...
571
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,360
- I was in legit panic.
- -like, panic...
572
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,360
Um, in our dynamic often times.
573
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,536
Like, I would just get... like,
even the way you're looking at
574
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,120
- me right now makes me nervous.
- Oh...
575
00:23:29,230 --> 00:23:30,030
And so...
576
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:31,230
Um...
577
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,950
Panic that you're being caught?
578
00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:35,950
- I'm in trou... like...
- You're in trouble.
579
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:38,210
I recreated my stepmom, I think.
580
00:23:38,410 --> 00:23:38,940
Yeah.
581
00:23:39,140 --> 00:23:42,710
Like, I recreated a very
specific parental
582
00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:43,960
- dynamic...
- Mm-hm.
583
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,630
That was not in service of me.
584
00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:51,220
So can you spend a couple of
weeks without seeing each other?
585
00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:52,560
Mm-hm.
586
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,080
Sad.
587
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,810
And focus on the
fact that you are...
588
00:23:56,010 --> 00:23:59,350
breaking up as partners,
589
00:23:59,550 --> 00:24:02,980
and see what that
actually feels like.
590
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,400
- Two weeks apart?
- Two weeks apart.
591
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,650
And let's meet after that,
see how you're feeling.
592
00:24:11,950 --> 00:24:14,256
Can you just send me pictures
of the cats every now and then
593
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:14,720
- and the animals?
- 100 percent.
594
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,000
Okay, thanks, I just
wanna know they're alive.
595
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:20,250
Maybe you don't even need that.
596
00:24:21,030 --> 00:24:22,590
The cats are alive,
they look the same.
597
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,260
Okay, okay.
598
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:27,596
- She's coming' for you!
- Yeah.
599
00:24:27,620 --> 00:24:29,930
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
600
00:24:35,550 --> 00:24:37,850
Ooh oh.
601
00:24:38,050 --> 00:24:40,520
Ooh oh oh.
602
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,940
Ooh oh.
603
00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:45,610
Oh oh.
604
00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:48,190
Last time I walked in this room.
605
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:50,780
Didn't want to wrongly assume.
606
00:24:50,980 --> 00:24:54,650
Could've sworn
there was more light.
607
00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:58,950
Thorns were out,
they were bristling.
608
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,120
Didn't know how
much I was risking.
609
00:25:02,330 --> 00:25:05,670
Didn't mean to pick a fight.
610
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:09,880
Ooh oh.
611
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,470
Ooh oh oh.
612
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:14,890
Ooh oh.
613
00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:17,970
Oh oh.
614
00:25:18,170 --> 00:25:20,640
Ooh oh.
615
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,150
Ooh oh oh.
616
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:25,480
Ooh oh.
617
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,820
Oh oh.
618
00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:31,240
Ooh oh.
619
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,160
Ooh oh oh.
620
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,490
Ooh oh.
621
00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:39,160
Ooh oh oh.
622
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,500
Ooh oh.
623
00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:49,420
Oh oh
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