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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:11,471 --> 00:01:12,609 Jesus said? 2 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:18,913 Suffer the little children to come unto me. 3 00:01:19,012 --> 00:01:20,082 Very good. 4 00:01:20,180 --> 00:01:24,390 And now these three remain: faith hope and love. 5 00:01:24,484 --> 00:01:27,226 But the greatest of these is love. 6 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:29,932 For love will not only lead us to each other. 7 00:01:30,023 --> 00:01:33,095 By so doing, it will bring us closer to God. 8 00:01:33,193 --> 00:01:37,869 And even when things seem difficult, as it must for us all at some times, 9 00:01:37,965 --> 00:01:41,742 I tell you, have faith in love. 10 00:01:41,902 --> 00:01:45,111 And remember, that as St. Paul tells us, 11 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:56,191 faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. 12 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:58,393 Let us pray. 13 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:03,031 Holy, holy, holy... 14 00:02:22,943 --> 00:02:24,047 How are you doing back there? 15 00:02:24,411 --> 00:02:26,482 Fine, Mrs. Hannah, thank you. 16 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:59,783 Oh, I know I'm fussing do you think she'll like it? 17 00:03:00,147 --> 00:03:01,490 I think she'll love it. 18 00:03:02,215 --> 00:03:04,695 Oh, that must be Mom and Dad. They said they might stop by. 19 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:05,522 Now? 20 00:03:05,619 --> 00:03:07,428 What could I say? They were excited. 21 00:03:09,456 --> 00:03:10,662 Rob, thank you. 22 00:03:11,191 --> 00:03:14,468 For what? Oh, I love you. 23 00:03:17,230 --> 00:03:19,733 I know. I'm just sorry. 24 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:21,307 Come on, now. 25 00:03:21,401 --> 00:03:22,004 No, I know, 26 00:03:22,102 --> 00:03:24,878 but you know I wanted to give you children 27 00:03:24,971 --> 00:03:28,043 of your own who'd look like you and be loving like you. 28 00:03:28,141 --> 00:03:30,121 They will be our own. 29 00:03:30,510 --> 00:03:31,454 You're sure of that. 30 00:03:31,945 --> 00:03:34,186 Well I'm sure that they need what we have to give. 31 00:03:34,314 --> 00:03:38,091 And even if they don't look like us, they're bound to be loving, 32 00:03:38,185 --> 00:03:39,960 'cause that's just the way kids are. 33 00:03:40,721 --> 00:03:41,529 Hello? 34 00:03:41,722 --> 00:03:42,530 Hello. 35 00:03:45,158 --> 00:03:46,398 Anybody home? 36 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,761 Quiet, Casey. 37 00:03:48,695 --> 00:03:50,800 Hi. 38 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:53,605 Here we are, ready to spoil our grandchildren. 39 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:54,973 They're wonderful. 40 00:03:55,068 --> 00:03:56,513 I told her we should wait. 41 00:03:56,636 --> 00:03:58,240 You two need to be alone when they get here. 42 00:03:58,338 --> 00:04:02,218 Oh, we won't stay long. My first grand kids and they're twins... 43 00:04:02,309 --> 00:04:02,980 Oh... 44 00:04:03,076 --> 00:04:05,613 Well sort of. Come on, let's put these in their rooms. 45 00:04:05,912 --> 00:04:06,390 Dad. 46 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,788 Hi, son, how's it going? 47 00:04:08,348 --> 00:04:09,622 Oh, I can make it. 48 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:10,960 Big day, huh? 49 00:04:11,118 --> 00:04:12,062 It's pins and needles, dad. 50 00:04:12,152 --> 00:04:12,994 Yeah, I'll bet. 51 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:16,624 We're almost there. 52 00:04:19,726 --> 00:04:22,502 Remember. 53 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:24,041 Excuse me, Catherine, did you say something? 54 00:04:25,065 --> 00:04:28,410 Oh, I was just reminding Eric to behave. 55 00:04:29,069 --> 00:04:33,484 If you're nervous, we can talk about it. You nervous, Eric? 56 00:04:36,910 --> 00:04:38,082 No, ma'am. 57 00:04:49,022 --> 00:04:55,667 Rob, they're here. They're here. They're beautiful. 58 00:04:56,029 --> 00:05:01,570 Just like their mother. Come on, Mom, let's go see our kids. 59 00:05:07,274 --> 00:05:08,344 Quiet, Casey. 60 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:11,554 There you are. 61 00:05:12,379 --> 00:05:13,551 Casey, quiet. 62 00:05:15,515 --> 00:05:17,256 Reverend, Mrs. Tyler, 63 00:05:17,417 --> 00:05:20,489 I would like for you to meet Catherine and Eric Krieger. 64 00:05:20,787 --> 00:05:22,460 Hello. I'm Catherine. 65 00:05:22,589 --> 00:05:26,765 Hi, Catherine. I'm Jill. And this is Rob. 66 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:30,071 Is that what you like to be called Catherine? 67 00:05:30,730 --> 00:05:32,368 I prefer Cat. 68 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,308 How about you, Eric? 69 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:42,046 Eric is fine. Shake hands. 70 00:05:45,445 --> 00:05:46,480 Well, shall we go inside? 71 00:05:46,613 --> 00:05:47,648 Can I take that for you? Here you go, Eric. 72 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:48,282 I can't stay long. 73 00:05:48,381 --> 00:05:49,985 Come on. 74 00:05:52,118 --> 00:05:53,062 Well thank you. 75 00:05:57,791 --> 00:05:59,464 Thank you for bringing them on Sunday. 76 00:05:59,726 --> 00:06:00,363 As you know, 77 00:06:00,460 --> 00:06:03,373 Monday and Tuesday are a reverend's weekends 78 00:06:03,463 --> 00:06:07,104 and Rob wanted to spend some extra time with them the first couple of days. 79 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:12,040 I understand. Mrs. Tyler. 80 00:06:12,305 --> 00:06:13,545 Jill, please. 81 00:06:13,740 --> 00:06:15,515 After all our conferences and home visits, 82 00:06:15,609 --> 00:06:16,781 I fell like we're friends. 83 00:06:17,143 --> 00:06:18,053 Thank you. 84 00:06:19,512 --> 00:06:24,222 Remember, this first month is uh just a trial period for all of you. 85 00:06:24,351 --> 00:06:25,386 I understand. 86 00:06:25,585 --> 00:06:28,828 But we've already decided if Cat and Eric want us as parents, 87 00:06:28,922 --> 00:06:30,230 we definitely want them. 88 00:06:36,196 --> 00:06:42,943 Now let's see. Is there anything else? Catherine, Eric, any questions? 89 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:47,742 No? Well, I guess I'll be going. 90 00:06:48,975 --> 00:06:50,010 What is it, Eric? 91 00:06:51,444 --> 00:06:52,946 Can I see your dog? 92 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:54,649 Casey? Sure you can. 93 00:06:56,049 --> 00:06:58,461 I'll leave the pet introductions to you two. 94 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:07,394 Eric, Catherine, the Reverend and Mrs. 95 00:07:07,494 --> 00:07:10,100 Tyler are going to take very good care of you. 96 00:07:10,497 --> 00:07:14,707 I want you to try and remember to be good children. 97 00:07:20,674 --> 00:07:22,585 We want to thank you for all of your help. 98 00:07:22,676 --> 00:07:24,656 Thank you for your willingness to take them both. 99 00:07:24,744 --> 00:07:27,384 Oh, they're wonderful well, I'm nervous. 100 00:07:27,547 --> 00:07:32,326 You'll do just fine. Love and security that's what they need. 101 00:07:32,485 --> 00:07:34,658 Well, that's what they'll get plenty of here. 102 00:07:34,888 --> 00:07:36,333 Please call if you need anything. 103 00:07:42,228 --> 00:07:43,229 Thank you, Doris. 104 00:07:48,768 --> 00:07:53,308 Eric, there's the ball. Throw it. Throw it. Okay, Casey. 105 00:07:53,406 --> 00:07:55,044 Casey, here it is, here it is. 106 00:07:56,776 --> 00:07:59,188 The bathroom's right across the hall. Would you like to see it? 107 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:00,757 No, thank you. 108 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:05,427 Well, you can put your things on the dresser 109 00:08:05,518 --> 00:08:08,431 and there are hangers in the closet. Do you want some help? 110 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:10,695 No, thank you. 111 00:08:19,032 --> 00:08:22,172 Oh, that's Johnny, and some of the other kids who live around here. 112 00:08:22,302 --> 00:08:27,911 Good afternoon, gang. Now look, you tell me. See them? 113 00:08:28,742 --> 00:08:30,119 Eric's going to fall. 114 00:08:30,977 --> 00:08:32,354 Rob'll be careful. 115 00:08:33,013 --> 00:08:34,083 Are their eyes open? 116 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:35,418 Yeah. 117 00:08:35,882 --> 00:08:37,793 Can you hold up your fingers for how many you see? 118 00:08:39,452 --> 00:08:41,489 That's a bird's nest we found the other day. 119 00:08:41,588 --> 00:08:43,499 It's got baby birds in it. You want to see them? 120 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:46,997 No thank you. 121 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:53,572 Okay. Well, I guess I'll uh let you get settled. 122 00:08:59,005 --> 00:09:00,211 I'll call you for dinner. 123 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:15,461 There're four, and we're gonna get to watch them grow and fly away, 124 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:20,504 but except you can't touch them because then the mommy bird won't come back 125 00:09:20,593 --> 00:09:22,595 and take care of them, right? 126 00:09:22,695 --> 00:09:23,639 Right. 127 00:09:24,464 --> 00:09:25,465 I know. 128 00:09:26,499 --> 00:09:27,204 Catherine... 129 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:27,835 Cat. 130 00:09:27,934 --> 00:09:30,505 Cat, would you say grace please? 131 00:09:37,277 --> 00:09:41,623 God is great and God is good, and we thank him for this food. 132 00:09:41,948 --> 00:09:42,551 Amen. 133 00:09:42,649 --> 00:09:46,426 Amen. That's very nice. Where did you learn that? 134 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:48,896 Our third foster home. 135 00:09:51,324 --> 00:09:53,736 No more foster homes. 136 00:09:55,361 --> 00:09:56,863 You're supposed to wait. 137 00:10:03,103 --> 00:10:05,777 That's okay, Cat. We appreciate your good manners. 138 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:07,949 Here you go. Pass that to Rob? 139 00:10:08,475 --> 00:10:10,751 Thank you. 140 00:10:11,511 --> 00:10:12,421 Would you like potatoes? 141 00:10:12,579 --> 00:10:14,252 Thank you. 142 00:10:14,914 --> 00:10:17,121 Now I'm going to leave the night light on in the hall 143 00:10:17,217 --> 00:10:19,561 so if you wake up you know where you are, okay? 144 00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:21,293 And your flashlight is right here. 145 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:23,256 And the door open. 146 00:10:24,023 --> 00:10:26,367 Door open? Sure. Sure. 147 00:10:28,428 --> 00:10:33,844 Can I have a hug and a kiss goodnight? Oh, thank you. 148 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:36,910 I'm really glad you're here and I'm glad you're my little boy. 149 00:10:38,404 --> 00:10:41,044 You sleep good, okay? Goodnight. 150 00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:42,383 Goodnight. 151 00:10:47,780 --> 00:10:50,056 So if you get scared or you need anything, 152 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:51,957 you just knock on our door, okay? 153 00:10:52,352 --> 00:10:55,162 We'll wake you up in the morning, then we'll take you to school. 154 00:10:55,255 --> 00:10:56,233 Goodnight, then. 155 00:10:59,092 --> 00:11:00,070 Where's Jill? 156 00:11:01,261 --> 00:11:03,901 You you don't want me to kiss you goodnight? That's okay. 157 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:05,303 Where's Jill? 158 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:08,274 Did I hear my name? 159 00:11:08,601 --> 00:11:10,274 I think she'd rather have you tuck her in. 160 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:11,144 Well how about both of us? 161 00:11:11,237 --> 00:11:12,807 No, I'll go say goodnight to Eric. 162 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:20,321 Okay. Come on, sweetie, in you go. There you go. Everything okay? Good. 163 00:11:21,047 --> 00:11:25,427 We're really glad you're here, Cat. Goodnight. 164 00:11:25,985 --> 00:11:26,622 Jill? 165 00:11:26,719 --> 00:11:27,925 Yes? 166 00:11:28,588 --> 00:11:31,159 Can I call you mommy sometimes? 167 00:11:31,791 --> 00:11:36,001 I'd like that. I'd like that very much. 168 00:11:42,535 --> 00:11:44,879 Rob, I'm so happy, I can't tell you. 169 00:11:45,071 --> 00:11:45,947 They're wonderful. 170 00:11:46,906 --> 00:11:48,317 She's so precocious. 171 00:11:48,408 --> 00:11:50,513 Verbally. Emotionally, though... 172 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:52,351 Oh, don't take it personally. 173 00:11:52,579 --> 00:11:55,924 I was kind of scared of strange men when I was her age, too. 174 00:11:56,049 --> 00:11:57,289 It's funny, I don't feel strange. 175 00:11:57,383 --> 00:11:59,124 Oh, strangely wonderful. 176 00:11:59,252 --> 00:12:01,755 Well, let's just hope she comes to share her mother's feelings 177 00:12:01,854 --> 00:12:03,299 like mother like daughter. 178 00:12:03,623 --> 00:12:05,193 Oh, we just have to give them time. 179 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:10,238 And us, too, to understand them before we try to change things. 180 00:12:12,465 --> 00:12:14,206 Think of what they've been through. 181 00:12:15,034 --> 00:12:16,638 Three foster homes. 182 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:18,215 And she's had to be the mother the whole time. 183 00:12:18,304 --> 00:12:22,753 Can you imagine? What their life must have been like. 184 00:12:23,343 --> 00:12:29,123 Well, with you as their mom, it's just improved a whole lot. 185 00:12:31,084 --> 00:12:32,757 I love you. 186 00:13:23,536 --> 00:13:24,844 They're gone. 187 00:13:24,937 --> 00:13:28,612 Gone? Are you sure? They can't fly away. Look closer. 188 00:13:30,176 --> 00:13:31,621 They're gone. 189 00:13:31,778 --> 00:13:34,782 Here, let me take a look. 190 00:13:35,548 --> 00:13:38,358 I'm gonna get the ladder. Jill? 191 00:13:47,593 --> 00:13:48,799 I don't. 192 00:14:09,549 --> 00:14:13,087 Shadow, go on, go on, get out of here. 193 00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:17,794 Get out of here, Shadow. Did Shadow do it? 194 00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:21,636 I don't know. There don't seem to be any scratches. 195 00:14:36,528 --> 00:14:37,563 Look the other way, Mom. 196 00:14:38,029 --> 00:14:39,531 Always such a greedy little boy. 197 00:14:39,598 --> 00:14:40,235 Good. 198 00:14:40,332 --> 00:14:41,470 Have you been in my knives again? 199 00:14:41,566 --> 00:14:43,409 Moi? See you in about an hour. 200 00:14:43,502 --> 00:14:44,139 Bye. 201 00:14:44,236 --> 00:14:46,842 I lost more kitchen utensils when he was a boy. 202 00:14:49,574 --> 00:14:52,054 Can I interest you two in something to eat? 203 00:14:53,812 --> 00:14:54,813 Yes, thank you. 204 00:14:54,913 --> 00:14:55,948 There you go. 205 00:14:56,848 --> 00:14:57,883 Don't. 206 00:15:09,161 --> 00:15:10,037 Can I interest you in some more? 207 00:15:10,128 --> 00:15:10,970 Thank you. 208 00:15:11,062 --> 00:15:11,802 Good. 209 00:15:11,897 --> 00:15:14,434 You know, it seems to me we might just have to uh expand Sunday school. 210 00:15:14,533 --> 00:15:15,375 Don't. 211 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:19,748 Jill? 212 00:15:21,006 --> 00:15:26,251 Oh, sorry. Eric, aren't you hungry? 213 00:15:27,045 --> 00:15:28,285 I tole you, don't. 214 00:15:30,682 --> 00:15:31,717 Excuse me. 215 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,630 Catherine, why are you stopping Eric from eating? 216 00:15:38,323 --> 00:15:44,103 I'm not. Am I? See? 217 00:15:44,563 --> 00:15:45,871 I saw you, Catherine. 218 00:15:45,997 --> 00:15:48,273 Now I want you to take your sandwich and go up to your room 219 00:15:48,366 --> 00:15:50,903 and I'll be up in a little while to talk to you about this. 220 00:15:51,303 --> 00:15:56,303 Now, Cat. Catherine. It's okay. That's okay, honey, it's not your fault. 221 00:16:02,948 --> 00:16:06,054 It's okay. You just eat your sandwich, okay? 222 00:16:12,357 --> 00:16:14,064 Sorry about that. Where were we? 223 00:16:14,226 --> 00:16:22,611 No. No, no, no. 224 00:16:23,702 --> 00:16:28,981 Catherine, stop. Catherine, Catherine, stop. 225 00:16:29,107 --> 00:16:32,088 Catherine, stop. Catherine, stop. 226 00:16:32,177 --> 00:16:35,090 No, no. Now let me go. No. 227 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:37,456 Stop it. Catherine. 228 00:16:37,549 --> 00:16:38,687 No. 229 00:16:39,351 --> 00:16:41,126 Catherine. Now stop. 230 00:16:41,219 --> 00:16:44,564 No, let me go. No. Let me go. 231 00:16:44,656 --> 00:16:47,728 Catherine, stop. That's enough. Now stop. 232 00:16:49,628 --> 00:16:54,099 No, stop, no, please stop. 233 00:16:54,266 --> 00:16:56,439 I admit it was a little extreme, 234 00:16:56,968 --> 00:16:59,574 but in my experience a tantrum's a tantrum. 235 00:16:59,738 --> 00:17:01,479 Here one minute, gone the next. 236 00:17:02,874 --> 00:17:03,716 How is she? 237 00:17:03,808 --> 00:17:07,312 Calm. Sweet. Congenial. What set her off? 238 00:17:07,412 --> 00:17:09,050 I did, I guess. 239 00:17:09,281 --> 00:17:12,854 She wouldn't let Eric eat and when I sent her to her room, 240 00:17:13,084 --> 00:17:16,622 it seems like she was punishing me for interfering. 241 00:17:16,755 --> 00:17:18,564 All that from a seven year old? 242 00:17:18,657 --> 00:17:19,658 You think I'm over-reacting. 243 00:17:19,758 --> 00:17:23,205 I think what Mom is saying is just takes time to work things out. 244 00:17:23,695 --> 00:17:24,867 Is that what you're saying? 245 00:17:24,963 --> 00:17:25,805 More or less. 246 00:17:25,897 --> 00:17:28,901 Jill, these emotional outbursts are normal, 247 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,879 especially during a period of adjustment. 248 00:17:32,737 --> 00:17:33,875 Bye, thanks. 249 00:17:33,972 --> 00:17:37,078 Don't worry so much. Bye, darling. 250 00:17:40,345 --> 00:17:44,953 She's right. They're still adjusting. You have to learn to relax, honey. 251 00:17:47,619 --> 00:17:49,724 I know I'm anxious, I admit it. 252 00:17:49,921 --> 00:17:52,401 But Cat and I can't both be Eric's mother. 253 00:17:54,592 --> 00:17:56,162 Will you talk to her with me? 254 00:17:56,594 --> 00:17:57,538 Sure. 255 00:17:58,563 --> 00:18:00,167 Catherine, Cat. 256 00:18:00,332 --> 00:18:02,778 I want to talk to you about what happened. 257 00:18:02,967 --> 00:18:06,073 We're not angry. We just want to understand. 258 00:18:07,038 --> 00:18:11,248 Cat, can you look at Cat, 259 00:18:15,246 --> 00:18:16,987 we know that you've had to take care of Eric, 260 00:18:17,082 --> 00:18:17,856 and we want you to know 261 00:18:17,949 --> 00:18:20,190 that we think you've done a really good job. 262 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:23,658 He messes up a lot. 263 00:18:23,755 --> 00:18:25,325 Well all little boys do. 264 00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:28,130 But you don't have to worry about that now that you're here. 265 00:18:29,294 --> 00:18:31,501 That's why we get sent away. 266 00:18:32,397 --> 00:18:35,935 No one, no one is going to send you away. 267 00:18:36,601 --> 00:18:39,878 We want you to be our little girl. Can you do that? 268 00:18:40,138 --> 00:18:42,311 Let me be the mommy and you be the little girl? 269 00:18:52,917 --> 00:19:00,563 No. Stop. Stop. 270 00:19:45,403 --> 00:19:48,247 I know somebody who's ticklish. 271 00:19:50,675 --> 00:19:51,585 Ow. 272 00:19:51,810 --> 00:19:53,187 I'm sorry, did I hurt you? 273 00:19:53,278 --> 00:19:54,814 Careful, Rob, you might hurt him. 274 00:19:54,913 --> 00:19:56,688 Let me see. Let me take a look. 275 00:19:56,781 --> 00:19:59,955 Come on, come on, let me take a look. It's all right, it's okay, let me look. 276 00:20:03,755 --> 00:20:05,393 Eric, what happened? 277 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,667 I fell. 278 00:20:11,729 --> 00:20:14,039 Got to be careful on that bike, huh. 279 00:20:14,199 --> 00:20:17,840 Oh I know what'll make you feel better. You know what I have? Your cookies. 280 00:20:17,936 --> 00:20:20,348 Look, I have one for you, one for Cat and one for Case. 281 00:20:20,672 --> 00:20:21,707 There you go. 282 00:20:37,822 --> 00:20:42,822 Casey. Come on, look, come out here. Casey, look what I've got. 283 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:50,207 Come on, Casey. 284 00:20:52,270 --> 00:20:56,047 Hello again. I had a feeling I'd find you here. 285 00:20:56,174 --> 00:21:01,174 Here, Casey. Come on. Here. Over here. 286 00:21:31,242 --> 00:21:35,782 Nice Casey. Good Casey. Good doggie. 287 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:43,662 Here. There you go. Eat it. Yes. Nice Casey. Good Casey. 288 00:21:43,922 --> 00:21:51,363 That's it. Look what I got for you. Go ahead, eat it. 289 00:21:58,369 --> 00:21:59,245 He bit me. 290 00:21:59,404 --> 00:22:00,109 What happened? 291 00:22:00,204 --> 00:22:01,774 He bit me. 292 00:22:02,540 --> 00:22:04,520 Well, we'll fix that right up. 293 00:22:04,609 --> 00:22:05,815 Come on, sweetie. 294 00:22:10,181 --> 00:22:11,524 Well that's not so bad. 295 00:22:12,083 --> 00:22:15,121 Tsat's okay, Casey. Take it easy, Rob. 296 00:22:17,355 --> 00:22:18,390 He bit me. 297 00:22:18,823 --> 00:22:20,632 Well, we believe you honey, but how did Case get... 298 00:22:20,725 --> 00:22:21,897 He bit me. 299 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,334 Catherine. 300 00:22:23,428 --> 00:22:25,533 Catherine. Cat, stop. 301 00:22:26,297 --> 00:22:27,799 No. No. 302 00:22:27,966 --> 00:22:30,503 Cat. 303 00:22:40,812 --> 00:22:44,123 That's it. You want a spanking? 304 00:22:44,282 --> 00:22:44,885 Is that what you want? 305 00:22:44,983 --> 00:22:47,657 No, no. 306 00:22:47,752 --> 00:22:48,822 What's wrong? 307 00:22:49,387 --> 00:22:54,336 He bit me. I hate him. I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. 308 00:22:58,963 --> 00:23:06,745 I hate you. Mmm-mmm-mmm. 309 00:23:22,338 --> 00:23:24,818 The vet said it looked as if he had been stabbed by a needle. 310 00:23:24,907 --> 00:23:27,285 If that's what happened. Vets aren't infallible. 311 00:23:28,311 --> 00:23:30,723 But regardless, put yourself in Cat's position. 312 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,188 Even if she was teasing Case, 313 00:23:32,281 --> 00:23:33,624 even if she wasn't telling the whole truth, 314 00:23:33,716 --> 00:23:37,687 is it really and wonder? After all, remember what she said. 315 00:23:37,787 --> 00:23:41,633 She she was afraid that Eric's behavior would make us send them away. 316 00:23:43,059 --> 00:23:44,402 Eric's? 317 00:23:44,494 --> 00:23:47,236 Which is so hard for me to understand because he's so sweet 318 00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:48,468 and easy going.- 319 00:23:48,698 --> 00:23:50,735 Is that why they've been in so many foster homes 320 00:23:50,833 --> 00:23:52,312 because of something Eric's done? 321 00:23:52,802 --> 00:23:55,214 I'm afraid I can't discuss the other placements. 322 00:23:55,338 --> 00:23:57,784 Even if what happened might help us with Catherine? 323 00:23:57,874 --> 00:24:01,481 All I can say is maybe it would be best if you brought them back. 324 00:24:01,911 --> 00:24:03,219 Brought them back. 325 00:24:03,513 --> 00:24:04,787 Well now, we don't want that. 326 00:24:04,881 --> 00:24:07,452 We're just trying to find out if there's something we need to know. 327 00:24:09,252 --> 00:24:14,600 Remember. This is still the trial period and sometimes these things 328 00:24:14,690 --> 00:24:16,135 just don't work out. 329 00:24:16,492 --> 00:24:19,996 Please, Mrs. Hannah Doris that wasn't my intention. 330 00:24:20,096 --> 00:24:23,043 You did encourage us to call if we had any questions. 331 00:24:23,132 --> 00:24:24,702 Now don't punish us for that. 332 00:24:25,168 --> 00:24:29,207 Believe me, that is not my intent. I am merely concerned. 333 00:24:29,372 --> 00:24:31,249 There's no need to be. We can handle them. 334 00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:33,411 Mrs. Hannah, please. 335 00:24:34,410 --> 00:24:37,687 If we are going to be good parents, then we need to know. 336 00:24:38,447 --> 00:24:42,224 Is there something you haven't told us about Catherine, 337 00:24:42,318 --> 00:24:45,060 anything that might help us understand her behavior? 338 00:24:53,996 --> 00:24:56,875 I am in a dilemma here. There are regulations. 339 00:24:56,966 --> 00:24:58,809 I am not allowed to say anything, 340 00:25:00,203 --> 00:25:03,047 but I really think it would be best if you brought them back. 341 00:25:03,206 --> 00:25:05,652 Are you trying to tell us that Catherine may need help? 342 00:25:05,942 --> 00:25:08,582 Any child whose mother dies when she was very very young 343 00:25:08,678 --> 00:25:10,487 would benefit from therapy. 344 00:25:10,580 --> 00:25:14,722 Can you tell us anything about the father? Why didn't he keep them? 345 00:25:20,389 --> 00:25:24,496 He couldn't cope. That's why they were fostered. 346 00:25:25,161 --> 00:25:28,142 When he finally realized that he wasn't prepared to take care 347 00:25:28,231 --> 00:25:29,642 of them properly, 348 00:25:29,832 --> 00:25:33,109 he released them for adoption and I, 349 00:25:35,071 --> 00:25:39,884 I guess I can tell you that Catherine has had similar episodes 350 00:25:41,043 --> 00:25:42,681 in foster placement. 351 00:25:43,145 --> 00:25:44,886 Now please, that's all I can tell you. 352 00:25:50,353 --> 00:25:51,832 Are you saying you don't want them? 353 00:25:52,088 --> 00:25:53,396 No, of course not. 354 00:25:53,556 --> 00:25:55,399 I'm just saying I think we should give it some more time 355 00:25:55,491 --> 00:25:57,198 before we make a final decision. 356 00:25:57,293 --> 00:26:00,001 You sure you're just not looking for a way to justify sending her back? 357 00:26:00,930 --> 00:26:04,070 That's unfair. I'm the one who got us into this. 358 00:26:04,166 --> 00:26:05,736 Since when? We made this decision together. 359 00:26:06,902 --> 00:26:09,143 I don't want you to feel pressured, that's all. 360 00:26:09,272 --> 00:26:10,751 What I'm feeling is, 361 00:26:11,007 --> 00:26:12,645 there's a little girl in there who needs to know 362 00:26:12,742 --> 00:26:14,517 that we're committed to her. They both do. 363 00:26:14,910 --> 00:26:20,883 Indecision is just adding a lot of stress for all of us. 364 00:26:21,517 --> 00:26:24,361 Once we make up our own minds, once she feels secure, 365 00:26:24,654 --> 00:26:25,894 she's gonna be fine. 366 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:28,830 And if she's not? 367 00:26:29,992 --> 00:26:33,462 Then we'll take her to see someone. Honey, Doris is right. 368 00:26:33,829 --> 00:26:37,140 We have a whole lot more to offer her than all those foster homes 369 00:26:37,233 --> 00:26:38,507 that they've been in. 370 00:26:38,734 --> 00:26:41,943 You, you have a lot more to offer. 371 00:26:44,874 --> 00:26:47,718 And you. Both of us, together. 372 00:26:53,516 --> 00:26:55,462 Thank you. 373 00:26:55,785 --> 00:26:58,163 Thank you, and we thank you all for coming to celebrate 374 00:26:58,254 --> 00:26:59,631 our family birthday with us. 375 00:26:59,889 --> 00:27:01,596 Now, without any further ado, 376 00:27:01,957 --> 00:27:08,169 we would like to reintroduce to you our newly adopted, forever son, Eric. 377 00:27:08,864 --> 00:27:10,400 And our forever daughter, Catherine. 378 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:11,373 Cat. 379 00:27:12,935 --> 00:27:15,575 Eric and Catherine Cat Tyler. 380 00:27:27,249 --> 00:27:28,319 Mommy made it. 381 00:27:28,484 --> 00:27:30,691 Oh darling, it is beautiful. 382 00:27:31,287 --> 00:27:33,426 Where's Grandpa Henry? 383 00:27:33,556 --> 00:27:37,231 Well uhm I think I saw him talking to Eric and your daddy. 384 00:27:38,294 --> 00:27:39,136 Thank you. 385 00:27:40,563 --> 00:27:44,477 So, Eric, now that you're officially a member of the family, 386 00:27:44,633 --> 00:27:46,840 can I count on you to take me fishing? 387 00:27:47,103 --> 00:27:48,480 I don't have a ple. 388 00:27:48,838 --> 00:27:50,249 You don't, huh? 389 00:27:50,639 --> 00:27:54,815 Well, it just so happens I happen to have one your dad used to use. 390 00:27:55,244 --> 00:27:58,623 I've been looking all over for you. 391 00:27:58,781 --> 00:28:00,283 Oh you have, have you? 392 00:28:00,383 --> 00:28:02,556 Well, your brother and I have been having us a conversation. 393 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,029 What about? 394 00:28:04,754 --> 00:28:07,200 Grandpa's gonna take me fishing. 395 00:28:07,923 --> 00:28:08,867 Can I go? 396 00:28:08,991 --> 00:28:10,334 It's just for men. 397 00:28:10,593 --> 00:28:11,901 No, no, no. 398 00:28:11,994 --> 00:28:15,498 First you and I go, young fellow, then your sister here and me... 399 00:28:15,598 --> 00:28:17,168 I'm older. 400 00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:19,345 It's okay, honey, you're both gonna get a chance. 401 00:28:19,435 --> 00:28:20,379 It's okay. 402 00:28:21,570 --> 00:28:26,542 Daddy, Mommy told me to tell you to bring Eric inside. 403 00:28:26,709 --> 00:28:30,953 She did. Well, come on, big guy. I guess we've been summoned. 404 00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:35,595 Here we go. That's the way. 405 00:28:37,286 --> 00:28:39,892 Oh, here we go. Atta girl. 406 00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:43,233 Now, what can we talk about? 407 00:28:44,026 --> 00:28:44,902 Us. 408 00:28:45,194 --> 00:28:47,697 Us. What about us? 409 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:50,902 Grandpa Henry, if you let me go fishing first, 410 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,879 you could be my sweet daddy bear. 411 00:28:54,069 --> 00:28:57,050 No, I'm your grandpa hear. You've got a daddy. 412 00:28:57,373 --> 00:29:02,948 Not a daddy, a sweet daddy. And I'll be your little honey. 413 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:09,423 And you could do whatever you want because I'm so hot. 414 00:29:11,420 --> 00:29:12,660 Stop it! 415 00:29:31,907 --> 00:29:34,717 Is this an indication that she could possibly have been molested? 416 00:29:34,944 --> 00:29:37,322 Uh, I'm sure you would have been told about something like 417 00:29:37,413 --> 00:29:38,721 that by the adoption people. 418 00:29:39,348 --> 00:29:42,329 Well, t's not just what she did to her grandfather, 419 00:29:42,418 --> 00:29:45,797 it's the rages and the destructiveness and the lying. 420 00:29:47,223 --> 00:29:48,861 How do you feel about your wife's assessment, 421 00:29:48,958 --> 00:29:50,028 Reverent Tyler? 422 00:29:50,526 --> 00:29:53,735 Well, there's no question that some of Cat's behavior is strange. 423 00:29:53,829 --> 00:29:58,471 But to me, what's important is how much of that is her and how much of that 424 00:29:58,567 --> 00:30:02,310 is her adjustment to a new home and to us. 425 00:30:03,172 --> 00:30:05,846 Well, let me talk to her and we'll see. 426 00:30:06,342 --> 00:30:12,088 My name is Catherine Mary Tyler and I'm uh seven. 427 00:30:12,181 --> 00:30:18,462 Seven. Not a little girl any more. Are you nervous, Catherine? 428 00:30:20,456 --> 00:30:21,457 I understand. 429 00:30:21,657 --> 00:30:22,601 But in here, 430 00:30:22,691 --> 00:30:26,935 you can say whatever you want and it'll be between just you and me. 431 00:30:27,463 --> 00:30:28,601 Do you understand? 432 00:30:30,099 --> 00:30:35,105 Good. Now, can you tell me what you're nervous about? 433 00:30:35,971 --> 00:30:37,917 Mommy and Daddy are mad at me. 434 00:30:38,007 --> 00:30:39,145 They are? 435 00:30:40,543 --> 00:30:44,719 Because I get mad and, and because of Grandpa. 436 00:30:46,181 --> 00:30:48,627 Uh, what happened with Grandpa? 437 00:30:49,218 --> 00:30:50,629 I don't know. 438 00:30:50,886 --> 00:30:54,231 He wanted me to sit on his lap and then when I did, 439 00:30:54,657 --> 00:30:57,365 he got all red in the face and made me get off. 440 00:30:57,693 --> 00:30:59,263 Why do you think he did that? 441 00:30:59,828 --> 00:31:02,934 I don't know. I was just trying to be nice. 442 00:31:05,668 --> 00:31:08,740 I had on the new dress that mommy made for me. 443 00:31:12,508 --> 00:31:16,479 And then he made me get off. Is he mad at me? 444 00:31:16,779 --> 00:31:22,889 I don't want him to be mad at me. I don't want to have to go away again. 445 00:31:32,728 --> 00:31:35,299 Do you think her behavior falls in the normal continuum? 446 00:31:35,397 --> 00:31:37,536 All I'm saying is that we've taken her to see someone. 447 00:31:37,633 --> 00:31:38,270 What do you want to do, 448 00:31:38,367 --> 00:31:40,244 shop around until we find someone else who says that 449 00:31:40,336 --> 00:31:41,542 she is mentally ill? 450 00:31:41,904 --> 00:31:46,284 Rob, your father did not misunderstand. He said that she fondled him. 451 00:31:46,375 --> 00:31:47,513 She's a little girl. 452 00:31:47,676 --> 00:31:49,121 That doesn't mean she's innocent. 453 00:31:49,311 --> 00:31:52,292 I know you want to believe that all children are loving, 454 00:31:52,481 --> 00:31:55,985 and that Cat is; so do I. But we have to face it. 455 00:31:56,085 --> 00:31:58,964 The things that she is doing they're not loving. 456 00:31:59,054 --> 00:32:00,829 Maybe because something happened, 457 00:32:00,923 --> 00:32:03,096 something Doris wants to tell us and she can't. 458 00:32:03,192 --> 00:32:05,729 What Doris will tell us is to bring them back. 459 00:32:05,828 --> 00:32:07,432 Well, we won't. We made that decision. 460 00:32:07,529 --> 00:32:09,338 We did, but the bureaucracy didn't. 461 00:32:09,431 --> 00:32:13,846 Jill, I am telling you the best thing that we can do is assume the doctor 462 00:32:13,936 --> 00:32:16,439 is right and just keep trying to make her feel secure 463 00:32:16,538 --> 00:32:17,516 and part of this family. 464 00:32:17,606 --> 00:32:18,584 Thank you. 465 00:32:21,944 --> 00:32:23,446 Hello. 466 00:32:23,579 --> 00:32:24,455 Hi. 467 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:25,788 Is that good? 468 00:32:25,948 --> 00:32:26,426 Yeah. 469 00:32:26,515 --> 00:32:27,050 Good. 470 00:32:35,891 --> 00:32:37,461 Cat? Cat? 471 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:38,503 Bye, mommy. 472 00:32:38,661 --> 00:32:44,111 Bye, Cat. Hey, how about a kiss? What's the matter? 473 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,378 Nothing. 474 00:32:45,668 --> 00:32:49,980 Let me see. Let me see. Pull your arm out. Come on, come on. 475 00:32:50,139 --> 00:32:55,020 What's the matter? Oh, Eric, who did this? 476 00:32:58,180 --> 00:32:59,955 Eric, tell me, who did this? 477 00:33:00,382 --> 00:33:01,918 My teacher. 478 00:33:05,054 --> 00:33:06,556 So Eric, shall we play a game? 479 00:33:06,822 --> 00:33:12,067 Good. I know that you're afraid to tell me who hurt you. 480 00:33:13,262 --> 00:33:15,139 But I think that it's really important that I know, 481 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:19,576 Because if it wasn't your teacher, then we don't want to hurt her feelings. 482 00:33:20,335 --> 00:33:21,905 So I'll just say some names, 483 00:33:22,371 --> 00:33:24,476 and when I say the name of the person who hurt you, 484 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:31,749 you can just nod your head yes, okay? Okay. Was it uh grandma Bardara. 485 00:33:33,082 --> 00:33:34,026 Was it Daddy? 486 00:33:35,217 --> 00:33:37,823 How about Johnny or one of your other friends? 487 00:33:39,521 --> 00:33:44,698 Hm. Was it Casey? Was it Catherine? 488 00:33:49,565 --> 00:33:53,809 Okay, that's very good. That's very very good, Eric. 489 00:33:54,036 --> 00:33:57,381 Thank you. Would you do me another favor? 490 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:02,784 Could I see your stomach? 491 00:34:09,351 --> 00:34:13,322 Thank you, sweetie. Can I have a hug? 492 00:34:22,598 --> 00:34:27,411 Dear Lord. Please help my heart and my voice heal, not hurt, 493 00:34:27,569 --> 00:34:30,743 help this child to reflect thy loving spirit. 494 00:34:31,306 --> 00:34:33,377 Mommy? Mommy? 495 00:34:33,842 --> 00:34:35,048 In here, Cat. 496 00:34:39,314 --> 00:34:45,788 What's wrong, Mommy? Mommy, what's wrong? 497 00:34:48,557 --> 00:34:50,559 Eric showed me his bruises today. 498 00:34:50,659 --> 00:34:56,575 I was going to tell you. His teacher did that. Isn't it terrible? 499 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,175 No, you did it, Cat. 500 00:35:00,702 --> 00:35:02,978 And then you told him to lie about it, didn't you? 501 00:35:03,172 --> 00:35:04,150 Me? 502 00:35:04,439 --> 00:35:05,543 I'm not angry. 503 00:35:05,774 --> 00:35:09,779 I was angry, very angry, that you would do something like that, 504 00:35:09,912 --> 00:35:12,051 not only to Eric but to his teacher. 505 00:35:12,881 --> 00:35:15,452 She could lose her job over something like that. 506 00:35:16,151 --> 00:35:17,095 Good. 507 00:35:17,419 --> 00:35:25,395 Good? What do you mean? Cat. Cat. 508 00:35:25,994 --> 00:35:27,871 You're going to send me away. 509 00:35:29,198 --> 00:35:30,836 No, sweetheart, we're not going to do that. 510 00:35:30,966 --> 00:35:32,536 I didn't mean to. 511 00:35:32,668 --> 00:35:34,409 Are you telling me the truth? 512 00:35:34,636 --> 00:35:36,411 Why don't you believe me? 513 00:35:36,505 --> 00:35:38,246 I want to, honey, I do. 514 00:35:38,507 --> 00:35:42,045 But it's hard when you do things like you did to Eric and Casey. 515 00:35:42,244 --> 00:35:44,190 He hurt me first. 516 00:35:44,746 --> 00:35:46,487 Were you scared? Is that what happened? 517 00:35:46,648 --> 00:35:50,027 I was just trying to pet him. Take care of him. 518 00:35:50,385 --> 00:35:52,331 Like with Eric and the baby birds. 519 00:35:57,492 --> 00:35:59,403 Did you take the birds out of the nest? 520 00:36:00,229 --> 00:36:03,176 The mommy bird wasn't going to come back anyway. 521 00:36:05,601 --> 00:36:07,808 You sure fooled Dr. Merritt, didn't you? 522 00:36:10,339 --> 00:36:12,945 Well, you're not fooling me or daddy, not any more. 523 00:36:13,208 --> 00:36:15,017 And I don't want you ever to hit your brother again, 524 00:36:15,110 --> 00:36:16,817 do you understand me? 525 00:36:16,979 --> 00:36:18,458 Even when he's bad? 526 00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:20,287 I'm the Mommy, remember? 527 00:36:23,652 --> 00:36:28,726 And you're such a good mommy. Thank you for making my dress. 528 00:36:29,324 --> 00:36:30,928 It's such a pretty dress. 529 00:36:31,026 --> 00:36:32,699 What are you doing? What is wrong with you? 530 00:36:32,794 --> 00:36:35,570 Mommy, you're hurting me. You said you weren't mad. 531 00:36:35,664 --> 00:36:36,335 I was wrong. 532 00:36:36,431 --> 00:36:39,344 When you do the kind of things you do, it makes me very mad. 533 00:36:41,570 --> 00:36:43,572 I'm sorry, Mommy. 534 00:36:45,908 --> 00:36:51,483 Oh, why. Why do you do these things? Are you angry? 535 00:36:53,649 --> 00:36:55,094 Can I go now? 536 00:36:56,785 --> 00:36:58,355 No, you may not go. 537 00:36:58,921 --> 00:37:02,960 I want you to stay in your room and think about things. Think Quietly. 538 00:37:03,158 --> 00:37:07,868 No screaming or breaking things, do you understand? Do you? 539 00:37:11,366 --> 00:37:12,902 I'll call you for dinner. 540 00:37:18,473 --> 00:37:21,454 A whistle can blow if she tries to hurt him. Jill. 541 00:37:21,576 --> 00:37:22,611 He's terrified. 542 00:37:22,711 --> 00:37:24,884 Well that's no reason to reinforce his fears. 543 00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:26,857 Oh, rob, would you stop denying this? 544 00:37:27,015 --> 00:37:28,892 She killed the birds and she's been sneaking around 545 00:37:28,984 --> 00:37:31,555 the house at night and what she does is sly and deliberate 546 00:37:31,653 --> 00:37:32,222 and cruel. 547 00:37:32,321 --> 00:37:33,026 And what's worse, 548 00:37:33,121 --> 00:37:34,862 it doesn't even seem to matter when she's caught. 549 00:37:35,057 --> 00:37:35,762 She was gloating. 550 00:37:35,857 --> 00:37:38,428 She all but admitted that she fooled Dr. Merritt. 551 00:37:38,527 --> 00:37:39,767 Now how could she do that? 552 00:37:39,895 --> 00:37:41,397 Well, I don't know. 553 00:37:41,997 --> 00:37:45,467 Maybe he saw what you wanted to see a sweet, little girl. 554 00:37:45,801 --> 00:37:48,042 But there is no doubt in my mind that it's her behavior 555 00:37:48,136 --> 00:37:50,377 that has had them in so many foster homes, not Eric's. 556 00:37:50,472 --> 00:37:51,280 Oh, no. 557 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,819 How else are we going to find out what we need to know to help her? 558 00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:55,513 Doris won't tell us. 559 00:37:55,610 --> 00:37:56,054 She will. 560 00:37:56,144 --> 00:37:56,679 No, she won't. 561 00:37:56,778 --> 00:37:58,223 What she'll do is take them back. 562 00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:59,120 You heard her. 563 00:37:59,214 --> 00:38:01,956 You heard how careful she was. 564 00:38:02,050 --> 00:38:04,724 She's bound by privacy laws and ethics. 565 00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:09,166 She has to. You don't understand. I'm scared. 566 00:38:09,391 --> 00:38:14,864 Not just of what she might do but Eric is so easy to love, 567 00:38:15,497 --> 00:38:19,411 but Cat I want to love her, I keep trying 568 00:38:19,968 --> 00:38:22,744 but the more things happen the more distant I feel. 569 00:38:25,107 --> 00:38:28,088 I want to love my daughter, and I can't. 570 00:38:34,916 --> 00:38:37,157 Then there definitely is something wrong 571 00:38:39,488 --> 00:38:43,903 because I do not know a more loving woman than you. 572 00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:48,701 Thank you. I needed to hear that. 573 00:38:49,564 --> 00:38:54,564 Mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm. 574 00:39:12,821 --> 00:39:15,825 Do you guys want to go out to dinner or special hamburgers? 575 00:39:16,024 --> 00:39:17,230 Special hamburgers. 576 00:39:17,325 --> 00:39:18,099 You got it. 577 00:39:18,193 --> 00:39:19,365 You want to help me set the table? 578 00:39:19,461 --> 00:39:20,166 Sure. 579 00:39:20,362 --> 00:39:21,306 Daddy? 580 00:39:21,630 --> 00:39:22,472 What is it? 581 00:39:22,864 --> 00:39:24,605 Can I go downstairs and play? 582 00:39:24,833 --> 00:39:26,710 Sure you can, big guy. We'll call you. 583 00:39:34,943 --> 00:39:35,978 Can I go, too? 584 00:39:36,378 --> 00:39:37,413 No. 585 00:39:38,647 --> 00:39:40,456 I thought you were going to help me set the table. 586 00:39:40,882 --> 00:39:42,293 Is it all right, Mommy? 587 00:39:43,051 --> 00:39:44,029 Sure, honey. 588 00:40:17,385 --> 00:40:24,064 No, no. Cat, don't. Stop, Cat. 589 00:40:24,426 --> 00:40:30,206 Please. Mommy. Daddy. Mommy, Daddy. Cat. Stop. 590 00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:39,641 That's enough. Oh, God, Rob, he's bleeding. 591 00:40:39,841 --> 00:40:41,320 Just get him to the hospital. 592 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:42,784 Oh, my God. What about her? 593 00:40:43,011 --> 00:40:45,321 I'll stay with her. Get him to the hospital. 594 00:40:45,814 --> 00:40:49,159 No. Let me go. No. 595 00:40:49,251 --> 00:40:51,231 Cat. Cat. 596 00:40:51,319 --> 00:40:58,760 No, no, Daddy, no. Cat. Cat. Cat. No, no, no. 597 00:40:59,661 --> 00:41:01,572 Cat, Cat. 598 00:41:04,533 --> 00:41:05,841 No, no. 599 00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:08,004 Shh, shh. 600 00:41:08,103 --> 00:41:13,103 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 601 00:41:27,189 --> 00:41:30,659 I didn't mean it, Daddy. didn't mean to hurt him. 602 00:41:30,892 --> 00:41:34,032 I know, honey, I know. He'll be all right. 603 00:41:35,830 --> 00:41:37,605 Was there very much blood? 604 00:41:38,667 --> 00:41:43,548 Well you beat his head on the floor, Cat. 605 00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:54,221 I know. I'm sorry. I'm really sleepy. 606 00:41:56,685 --> 00:42:00,428 Why don't you just stay here and I'll call the hospital. 607 00:42:02,057 --> 00:42:08,975 Okay. Daddy, will you please close the door? 608 00:42:32,554 --> 00:42:41,372 Mmm-mmm-mmm 609 00:42:43,131 --> 00:42:46,772 God, how many times have I wanted to tell parents like you the truth? 610 00:42:47,669 --> 00:42:52,675 To send something anonymously in the mail. 611 00:42:56,177 --> 00:43:02,856 This has been coming a long time. I'm sorry. 612 00:43:03,652 --> 00:43:05,359 We all do the best we know how. 613 00:43:06,254 --> 00:43:07,392 Not always. 614 00:43:08,323 --> 00:43:13,102 Sometimes we hide behind regulations, which are there for a reason. 615 00:43:13,528 --> 00:43:16,941 If parents thought they'd be giving up their privacy along with their children 616 00:43:19,968 --> 00:43:22,881 all I can tell you is what I saw with my own eyes. 617 00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:25,609 Anything, please. 618 00:43:32,981 --> 00:43:36,485 The house was filthy, there was garbage everywhere. 619 00:43:37,152 --> 00:43:39,393 The whole place reeked of urine. 620 00:43:40,422 --> 00:43:42,834 I could hear the screaming all the way outside. 621 00:43:42,957 --> 00:43:44,800 It was Catherine. 622 00:43:45,093 --> 00:43:49,633 Eighteen months old, she'd uh been tied to a table leg. 623 00:43:51,232 --> 00:43:57,012 She was lying in all the filth on the freezing kitchen floor 624 00:43:57,238 --> 00:44:01,414 wearing nothing more than a little sun suit 625 00:44:01,509 --> 00:44:06,083 which was all caked with her own Anyway, 626 00:44:06,181 --> 00:44:10,186 I... l picked her up and tried to comfort her 627 00:44:10,285 --> 00:44:15,667 but she went stiff in my arms and she would not stop screaming. 628 00:44:19,361 --> 00:44:21,500 I've seen some horrors in my time. 629 00:44:25,834 --> 00:44:30,214 Anyway, I walked through the whole house and there was no one there. 630 00:44:33,208 --> 00:44:37,714 It had been the mailman who had called when he heard all the screaming. 631 00:44:40,648 --> 00:44:42,059 And Eric? 632 00:44:43,017 --> 00:44:44,587 He was lying in his crib. 633 00:44:45,019 --> 00:44:48,557 His diaper hadn't been changed for days. 634 00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:50,101 His skin was infected. 635 00:44:50,325 --> 00:44:52,862 There was a bottle of milk lying next to him, 636 00:44:52,961 --> 00:44:55,737 except the milk was so sour it had curdled. 637 00:44:56,865 --> 00:45:03,908 And he had a a strange bulge to his head. 638 00:45:04,406 --> 00:45:06,283 I couldn't figure out what it was 639 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:13,186 until I picked him up and noticed that the back of his head was flat. 640 00:45:16,518 --> 00:45:19,692 Apparently he had been lying like that for weeks. 641 00:45:20,388 --> 00:45:21,765 Where were the parents? 642 00:45:23,725 --> 00:45:25,295 The mother was in the hospital. 643 00:45:26,394 --> 00:45:28,567 When I went to see her, she just stared. 644 00:45:30,432 --> 00:45:31,775 Never said a word. 645 00:45:33,334 --> 00:45:35,473 The nurses told me that she'd been beaten 646 00:45:36,438 --> 00:45:41,114 and that she had refused treatment for pneumonia. 647 00:45:41,843 --> 00:45:45,484 They said they thought she wanted to die. 648 00:45:47,382 --> 00:45:48,884 And she did. 649 00:45:50,318 --> 00:45:51,592 What about the father? 650 00:45:52,287 --> 00:45:53,766 All I can tell you is that 651 00:45:53,855 --> 00:45:56,495 he uh he would take off 652 00:45:56,591 --> 00:46:01,734 and leave the two babies with their thirteen year old sister. 653 00:46:02,363 --> 00:46:05,572 A sister. Do you think she would talk to us? 654 00:46:07,469 --> 00:46:08,447 Maybe. 655 00:46:30,391 --> 00:46:31,301 Stephanie? 656 00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:33,300 What do you want? 657 00:46:34,462 --> 00:46:37,136 This is Jill Tyler. She'd like to talk with you. 658 00:46:37,232 --> 00:46:38,074 Hi. 659 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,941 I don't do women. 660 00:46:43,371 --> 00:46:45,851 My husband and I adopted Catherine and Eric. 661 00:46:46,441 --> 00:46:48,079 Oh, lucky you. 662 00:46:50,712 --> 00:46:52,282 We want to find out what their life was like 663 00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:53,984 what your life was like what happened. 664 00:46:56,618 --> 00:46:58,256 Catherine's very disturbed. 665 00:46:58,786 --> 00:47:02,791 She hurts Eric; she tried to kill him. Please, help us. 666 00:47:10,798 --> 00:47:15,042 Lucky me. 667 00:47:24,646 --> 00:47:28,856 Drinks for the ladies. 668 00:47:38,393 --> 00:47:40,236 Stephanie, no one's blaming you. 669 00:47:41,062 --> 00:47:47,138 Blame who you want. I did what I had to. 670 00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:53,983 He'd get drunk and come in my room, 671 00:47:55,577 --> 00:47:57,215 and when I got bigger I'd fight him. 672 00:48:00,615 --> 00:48:05,587 He'd beat me up, but I'd still fight him. 673 00:48:07,722 --> 00:48:09,929 And after I got to be more trouble than it was worth, 674 00:48:10,024 --> 00:48:11,867 that's when he'd go upstairs. 675 00:48:12,694 --> 00:48:14,367 But she was just a baby. 676 00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:17,603 What do you think I was? 677 00:48:20,134 --> 00:48:22,341 I can still hear her screaming, 678 00:48:24,372 --> 00:48:28,343 and the dog going crazy, except one night she stopped. 679 00:48:32,981 --> 00:48:39,023 I thought she was dead so I snuck upstairs. 680 00:48:41,322 --> 00:48:46,829 Almost. He had passed out. 681 00:48:48,096 --> 00:48:50,736 I had to roll him off of her. 682 00:49:20,662 --> 00:49:21,572 You're out. 683 00:49:22,063 --> 00:49:22,939 It didn't hit me. 684 00:49:23,097 --> 00:49:25,270 Yes, it did. Did, too. You're out. 685 00:49:25,366 --> 00:49:26,970 It did not! 686 00:49:35,476 --> 00:49:36,955 Now you're out. 687 00:49:46,487 --> 00:49:49,366 Catherine, go back to your seat. Catherine. 688 00:49:53,327 --> 00:49:55,000 Hey, you did that on purpose. 689 00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:56,367 Did what? 690 00:49:56,464 --> 00:49:57,772 Okay, you two. 691 00:50:02,804 --> 00:50:03,714 Catherine. 692 00:50:13,414 --> 00:50:14,415 Is Johnny all right? 693 00:50:15,249 --> 00:50:16,956 Well, she just missed his eye. 694 00:50:17,218 --> 00:50:19,596 The whole class and the teacher saw it 695 00:50:19,687 --> 00:50:22,759 and when I asked her why she tried to cut him with the glass, 696 00:50:23,057 --> 00:50:25,799 you know what she said to me? What glass? 697 00:50:26,828 --> 00:50:28,398 Rob, it was more than neglect. 698 00:50:28,496 --> 00:50:31,500 She was abused sexually from the time she was a tiny baby. 699 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,307 A lot of kids are abused but they don't try to kill people. 700 00:50:34,402 --> 00:50:36,348 I don't think it was just the abuse. 701 00:50:38,339 --> 00:50:40,910 I told you, these two children have haunted me. 702 00:50:42,744 --> 00:50:45,247 For years I couldn't do anything except move them 703 00:50:45,346 --> 00:50:47,292 from foster home to foster home, 704 00:50:47,582 --> 00:50:50,290 hoping against hope that something would work. 705 00:50:50,618 --> 00:50:54,998 Then I found this book: Kids Who Kill. 706 00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:57,527 Will it tell us what we're supposed to do? 707 00:50:58,192 --> 00:50:59,569 What did you think of it? 708 00:50:59,827 --> 00:51:00,601 It's chilling. 709 00:51:00,695 --> 00:51:04,609 I feel like I'm reading a description of Cat the amorality, the manipulation. 710 00:51:04,699 --> 00:51:08,306 Her obsession with blood and death her violence. 711 00:51:08,469 --> 00:51:10,608 How many other therapists know about this? 712 00:51:10,805 --> 00:51:11,715 Not many. 713 00:51:12,974 --> 00:51:15,978 Does this work this holding therapy? 714 00:51:16,144 --> 00:51:17,145 I don't know. 715 00:51:17,245 --> 00:51:19,486 I'm ashamed to say I never followed through with it. 716 00:51:20,014 --> 00:51:21,960 We wouldn't have the money to pay for it anyway. 717 00:51:22,083 --> 00:51:23,255 I wonder if we do. 718 00:51:23,751 --> 00:51:25,560 Well, we'll find a way. We have to. 719 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:26,990 I hope so. 720 00:51:27,655 --> 00:51:31,603 Jill, I don't want you to feel that I don't have compassion 721 00:51:31,692 --> 00:51:32,670 for Cat because I do. 722 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,206 I'm still trying to to love her. 723 00:51:35,329 --> 00:51:39,243 But what I got out of that book is that without a conscience, 724 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,904 she's no different than a serial killer. Or a Nazi. 725 00:51:43,137 --> 00:51:49,747 Well that's what she could be if we don't help her. Rob, I'm sorry. 726 00:51:50,077 --> 00:51:51,317 I'm just trying to understand. 727 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,020 I'm sure you can explain her behavior as psychopathic and I know that 728 00:51:57,118 --> 00:51:59,724 she has suffered abuse but to me. 729 00:52:05,126 --> 00:52:09,370 You know what it looks like to me. 730 00:52:10,565 --> 00:52:13,774 It looks like evil and I don't know that you treat evil 731 00:52:13,868 --> 00:52:14,812 and I don't know that you can. 732 00:52:14,902 --> 00:52:17,041 Even the person who wrote that book isn't sure. 733 00:52:17,371 --> 00:52:18,577 She's just seven. 734 00:52:18,773 --> 00:52:21,310 The book said a child of seven can still be helped. 735 00:52:21,409 --> 00:52:22,410 Maybe. 736 00:52:22,944 --> 00:52:26,824 Okay. She's innocent on one hand and and she's evil on the other. 737 00:52:26,914 --> 00:52:28,416 I I mean how about some balance here. 738 00:52:28,516 --> 00:52:29,893 Come on, Jill. 739 00:52:30,017 --> 00:52:31,928 Well I mean what do you want to do, just throw her away? 740 00:52:32,386 --> 00:52:33,660 I never said that. 741 00:52:33,921 --> 00:52:36,060 You're a minister of the gospel, Rob. 742 00:52:36,257 --> 00:52:40,228 Don't you beat me up with religion.Okay. 743 00:52:43,831 --> 00:52:50,715 I believe in redemption; I do. But she's tried to kill twice. 744 00:52:51,973 --> 00:52:55,284 What, what if we can't reach her? 745 00:52:56,777 --> 00:52:58,415 I'll tell you what I believe. 746 00:52:59,013 --> 00:53:02,517 That she was hurt, terribly hurt, 747 00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:06,329 and that pain and rage give access to evil. 748 00:53:06,787 --> 00:53:11,634 And that love and security open us to goodness and to God. 749 00:53:12,126 --> 00:53:14,128 She has love. She has security. 750 00:53:14,562 --> 00:53:19,068 But she can't feel it. She's never been able to feel it. 751 00:53:20,234 --> 00:53:23,647 Then that's the question. Weill she ever? 752 00:53:23,804 --> 00:53:26,751 I don't know. I don't know. 753 00:53:27,108 --> 00:53:29,486 But all I can tell you is what I feel in my heart. 754 00:53:31,112 --> 00:53:33,922 And these children were sent to us for a purpose. 755 00:53:34,448 --> 00:53:37,861 Jill, I'm just going to say this once, because I feel I've got to. 756 00:53:40,788 --> 00:53:43,997 You know we don't have to keep them both We can give Catherine back. 757 00:53:47,728 --> 00:53:49,105 That's the cost per day? 758 00:53:49,196 --> 00:53:50,072 Per hour. 759 00:53:50,164 --> 00:53:53,043 And the insurance said that it won't pay for a preexisting condition. 760 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,612 Air fare alone will use up everything we've saved. 761 00:53:55,803 --> 00:53:57,476 Well, how about a second mortgage? 762 00:53:57,571 --> 00:54:00,347 Not enough equity. What about work? The church? 763 00:54:00,508 --> 00:54:01,714 They need us both there. 764 00:54:01,809 --> 00:54:03,049 Eric, too? 765 00:54:03,144 --> 00:54:05,055 Well, the doctor said if he's not acting out 766 00:54:05,146 --> 00:54:09,322 and our resources are limited, well, then we should concentrate on Cat. 767 00:54:10,151 --> 00:54:14,122 Well I know Mom and Dad will take in Eric and Casey, but, the money. 768 00:54:15,089 --> 00:54:20,163 We borrow. And we use our pension plan. I mean, what choice do we have? 769 00:54:22,229 --> 00:54:24,175 None. None. 770 00:54:28,569 --> 00:54:33,609 As most of you know, one our children, Catherine, has been having some problems. 771 00:54:33,708 --> 00:54:37,383 Uh I know this has been difficult for some of you. 772 00:54:37,645 --> 00:54:40,683 Jill and I would like to apologize. 773 00:54:40,915 --> 00:54:45,523 This next week we'll be taking Catherine to a special clinic for treatment. 774 00:54:45,619 --> 00:54:50,398 We've arranged with the Bishop for a substitute and uh Mary Anne will 775 00:54:50,491 --> 00:54:52,562 be taking over Jill's Sunday School class. 776 00:54:53,060 --> 00:54:57,475 We want to thank you all for your understanding and please, 777 00:54:58,099 --> 00:54:59,942 remember us in your prayers. 778 00:55:00,301 --> 00:55:04,875 Now if you will rise, we will sing hymn 187. 779 00:55:10,077 --> 00:55:15,077 Faith of our Fathers living still, in spite of dungeon, fire and sword. 780 00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:28,090 Oh how our hearts be tied with joy, etc. 781 00:55:34,702 --> 00:55:39,276 Catherine. Such a pretty name. Is that what you want me to call you? 782 00:55:39,507 --> 00:55:40,485 Or Cat? 783 00:55:41,242 --> 00:55:42,482 Just Catherine. 784 00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:48,260 Okay, Catherine, I'm Dr. Myers. How are you feeling, 785 00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:50,955 a bit nervous? Don't worry, I'm not going to hurt you, 786 00:55:51,052 --> 00:55:52,895 I'm just going to ask you a few questions, okay? 787 00:55:54,555 --> 00:56:00,836 Did you do these drawings? Okay. Let me ask you something. 788 00:56:01,028 --> 00:56:05,568 Are you a happy little girl? Do you like your new home? 789 00:56:07,568 --> 00:56:12,847 How about your mommy and your Daddy? How about your brother, Eric? 790 00:56:16,577 --> 00:56:18,716 How about school, do you have friends at school? 791 00:56:24,251 --> 00:56:27,721 Good, good. Sounds like you are a happy girl. 792 00:56:29,223 --> 00:56:34,696 Mm-hmm. 'Sept sometimes Mommy gets mad at me. 793 00:56:34,795 --> 00:56:37,036 Oh, she does? What for? 794 00:56:37,898 --> 00:56:39,844 Oh, you know, 795 00:56:39,934 --> 00:56:43,882 when I don't say my prayers or when I tease Eric. 796 00:56:44,805 --> 00:56:48,014 But then everything's okay? It's all fine again? 797 00:56:54,582 --> 00:56:56,528 I must say I'm disappointed. 798 00:56:57,651 --> 00:57:04,830 I was looking so forward to meeting you, you know. But now, I'm surprised. 799 00:57:05,693 --> 00:57:07,900 School says that you're a terrific little student, 800 00:57:07,995 --> 00:57:08,973 you're a good reader... 801 00:57:09,430 --> 00:57:10,431 I am. 802 00:57:10,564 --> 00:57:11,542 Really? 803 00:57:11,765 --> 00:57:15,770 Huh. Your parents say such interesting things about you, 804 00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:17,372 but I don't know, now that we've talked, 805 00:57:17,471 --> 00:57:20,077 I find you're a really ordinary little girl. 806 00:57:22,977 --> 00:57:25,048 I don't think we have much more to say to each other. 807 00:57:32,419 --> 00:57:37,129 These kids. Are they more interesting than me? I? 808 00:57:37,825 --> 00:57:40,999 Me's okay. Yeah, they're real interesting. 809 00:57:41,095 --> 00:57:48,172 Uh this one is that's Peter, he sets fires. This is Heather. 810 00:57:48,769 --> 00:57:50,749 She pushed a little girl into a pool. 811 00:57:52,373 --> 00:57:53,579 Why? 812 00:57:53,807 --> 00:57:56,014 She said she wanted to see someone drown. 813 00:57:56,710 --> 00:58:01,784 You know, we've got a dog. Want to know what I do to him? 814 00:58:02,082 --> 00:58:03,925 I don't know. Is it interesting? 815 00:58:05,052 --> 00:58:09,797 I stick him with needles. Sharp ones. 'Til he bleeds. 816 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,030 Hmm. 817 00:58:15,496 --> 00:58:17,442 Did they tell you about Eric? 818 00:58:20,467 --> 00:58:23,038 You mean like when you hit his head on the floor? 819 00:58:24,071 --> 00:58:29,680 I pushed him, and smashed his head, and smashed it and smashed it, 820 00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:30,914 and smashed it. 821 00:58:31,545 --> 00:58:33,855 He kept yelling stop, Cat, stop. 822 00:58:34,148 --> 00:58:37,960 But I wouldn't except Mommy and daddy made me. 823 00:58:39,386 --> 00:58:41,366 How did you feel about that? 824 00:58:41,655 --> 00:58:42,633 Mad. 825 00:58:43,157 --> 00:58:44,135 How mad? 826 00:58:44,959 --> 00:58:46,666 I'm going to kill them. 827 00:58:47,895 --> 00:58:49,238 How are you going to do that? 828 00:58:49,396 --> 00:58:57,747 Stab 'em, with a knife. At night. I like night, 'cause it's dark. 829 00:58:58,138 --> 00:59:02,746 And I don't like them to see me do it, but they'll feel me do it. 830 00:59:03,644 --> 00:59:06,215 You are certainly not an ordinary little girl. 831 00:59:07,147 --> 00:59:08,251 I'm not? 832 00:59:11,085 --> 00:59:14,658 Ordinary little girls don't want to kill their parents. 833 00:59:15,322 --> 00:59:16,699 They don't? 834 00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:26,457 I'm glad you brought her. You uh have a very sick little girl. 835 00:59:28,558 --> 00:59:32,506 She shows all the signs of a severely unattached child. 836 00:59:34,263 --> 00:59:38,143 Doctor, we uh, we read your book and that's why we're here. 837 00:59:38,901 --> 00:59:43,941 Uh I'd just like to be sure that we're understanding the... 838 00:59:47,410 --> 00:59:51,222 Bonding is a natural biological and psychological process 839 00:59:51,314 --> 00:59:55,160 that normally occurs between a mother and child just after birth. 840 00:59:56,786 --> 01:00:01,462 If this does not occur, we say that a child fails to attach. 841 01:00:01,791 --> 01:00:03,930 Now this can happen for all sorts of reasons. 842 01:00:04,027 --> 01:00:05,973 Children born to mothers who are addicted to drugs 843 01:00:06,062 --> 01:00:09,100 and alcohol or who come from broken homes, 844 01:00:09,198 --> 01:00:11,269 separated from their mothers at a critical time. 845 01:00:11,367 --> 01:00:15,543 Kids born into poverty and all that that implies. 846 01:00:15,671 --> 01:00:17,241 It's the mother that's important then? 847 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,383 Important, but not vital if there is another caretaker that 848 01:00:21,477 --> 01:00:22,888 the child can bond with. 849 01:00:23,646 --> 01:00:26,126 Well why does this happen to some children and not to others? 850 01:00:26,215 --> 01:00:30,061 I mean Eric has problems but he's not dangerous. 851 01:00:30,186 --> 01:00:32,097 We don't know the answer to that question yet. 852 01:00:32,188 --> 01:00:33,428 It may be genetic. 853 01:00:33,756 --> 01:00:36,396 Uh some children can be more susceptible than others. 854 01:00:36,492 --> 01:00:39,769 It could be the number and severity of breaks and attachment. 855 01:00:39,896 --> 01:00:45,073 But the critical factor is bonding. Learning to bond. 856 01:00:45,168 --> 01:00:48,411 That's how a child develops the ability to trust and to love 857 01:00:48,504 --> 01:00:50,484 and it's when that bond fails that 858 01:00:50,573 --> 01:00:53,486 they often be cine violent and full of rage. 859 01:00:55,278 --> 01:00:56,348 Can you help her? 860 01:00:56,712 --> 01:00:58,851 She's severely, severely disturbed. 861 01:00:58,981 --> 01:01:00,961 I uh I don't want to hold out any false hope. 862 01:01:03,519 --> 01:01:08,093 What we'll be looking for is some sense that Catherine can feel empathy 863 01:01:08,191 --> 01:01:11,695 and compassion for someone else, that she can feel what they feel. 864 01:01:12,095 --> 01:01:14,735 I mean this is one of the things that inhibits us from hurting others. 865 01:01:14,831 --> 01:01:15,639 Trust me. 866 01:01:15,731 --> 01:01:19,679 I will help Catherine as much as I can in the amount of time that I have. 867 01:01:21,003 --> 01:01:24,473 And remember, please, this is a family process. 868 01:01:25,174 --> 01:01:27,677 Together, we will do everything we can. 869 01:01:36,152 --> 01:01:38,598 Come on. Oh, no. 870 01:01:38,688 --> 01:01:41,567 You don't know how good it is just to be able to talk to someone 871 01:01:41,791 --> 01:01:46,035 eah, us, too. Nobody understands. 872 01:01:46,729 --> 01:01:48,936 You can see why they call it a hidden disease. 873 01:01:49,098 --> 01:01:50,702 Yeah, in plain sight. 874 01:01:51,134 --> 01:01:55,014 Like teenagers who murder strangers and then go party. 875 01:01:55,705 --> 01:01:57,981 Or corporate executives that steal millions. 876 01:01:58,141 --> 01:01:59,381 I meant the professionals. 877 01:01:59,475 --> 01:02:02,820 So called. They're blind. All you got to do is look around. 878 01:02:04,947 --> 01:02:06,722 Anyway, everywhere we went, 879 01:02:07,283 --> 01:02:10,230 they made us feel that Justin wasn't the problem, that we were. 880 01:02:10,786 --> 01:02:12,788 Has the holding therapy helped? 881 01:02:13,356 --> 01:02:14,699 He hasn't set any fires. 882 01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:16,030 Since we've been here. 883 01:02:16,993 --> 01:02:18,768 I'm hopeful. 884 01:02:19,695 --> 01:02:21,265 Hm. She's hopeful. I'm broke. 885 01:02:21,597 --> 01:02:25,067 Mike thinks bottom line. He forgets this is about kids. 886 01:02:26,035 --> 01:02:28,037 What about the two we've got waiting at home? 887 01:02:28,471 --> 01:02:29,541 How about them, huh? 888 01:02:46,155 --> 01:02:47,930 How long have you had Justin? 889 01:02:48,424 --> 01:02:55,308 Had him? He's not adopted. It was a late pregnancy. 890 01:02:55,398 --> 01:02:57,275 I was really sick, I nearly died. 891 01:02:58,734 --> 01:03:00,805 It was a month before I could even get home. 892 01:03:02,038 --> 01:03:07,818 But then, he just screamed every time I touched him. 893 01:03:09,278 --> 01:03:14,819 And he got so colicky and nervous that I was afraid to touch him. 894 01:03:17,653 --> 01:03:23,001 I know he wasn't consciously rejecting me or anything, I knew that. 895 01:03:24,093 --> 01:03:28,473 He couldn't help it; he was just a little baby. 896 01:03:30,466 --> 01:03:37,247 But it got so that that I just couldn't wait to get away 897 01:03:37,773 --> 01:03:42,773 from his hurt and his screaming and and get back to work, put him in day care 898 01:03:59,862 --> 01:04:00,772 I'm sorry. 899 01:04:02,632 --> 01:04:03,474 Sorry. 900 01:04:03,633 --> 01:04:06,011 Please, don't be. This is agony. 901 01:04:06,335 --> 01:04:08,576 No, it's the end of the line. 902 01:04:10,106 --> 01:04:12,484 We've tried doctors, shrinks, 903 01:04:13,142 --> 01:04:18,455 acupuncture quacks we've even had the kid exercised. 904 01:04:18,714 --> 01:04:23,686 We aren't even Catholic. We kept thinking love was the answer. 905 01:04:24,787 --> 01:04:29,787 If we could just love him enough. Right. Our kids at home are terrified. 906 01:04:38,434 --> 01:04:42,541 Hell, so am I. Give him another year 907 01:04:42,638 --> 01:04:44,549 and he won't have to set fires to kill us off. 908 01:04:45,441 --> 01:04:51,084 He'll be able to do it with his bare hands. 909 01:04:52,581 --> 01:04:53,423 Goodnight. 910 01:04:59,121 --> 01:05:00,099 What are you doing? 911 01:05:00,256 --> 01:05:02,361 Making sure this door is locked good and tight. 912 01:05:03,025 --> 01:05:04,902 How come I can't sleep with you and Daddy? 913 01:05:05,061 --> 01:05:06,233 Well because you're a big girl, honey. 914 01:05:06,329 --> 01:05:08,366 If you need us you can knock on the door, okay? 915 01:05:08,497 --> 01:05:09,737 Oh, where's your animals? 916 01:05:10,299 --> 01:05:10,777 Here. 917 01:05:10,866 --> 01:05:11,344 Okay. 918 01:05:11,434 --> 01:05:13,436 Tiffany and Grizzley. 919 01:05:13,536 --> 01:05:15,140 Okay, in you go. There you go. 920 01:05:19,575 --> 01:05:20,349 There's your friends. 921 01:05:21,444 --> 01:05:23,617 Goodnight, sweetheart. Goodnight. 922 01:05:29,518 --> 01:05:32,260 You know, Dr. Myers says I'm special. 923 01:05:32,421 --> 01:05:35,868 You certainly are special especially to us. Goodnight. 924 01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:58,556 Is that better? 925 01:05:58,714 --> 01:06:00,159 Mmm, thanks. 926 01:06:01,350 --> 01:06:03,956 I keep wondering if we're going to end up like Mike and Laurel. 927 01:06:04,053 --> 01:06:05,259 No, we won't. 928 01:06:05,755 --> 01:06:07,132 Keep telling me that. 929 01:06:08,290 --> 01:06:10,031 Well, we'll just have to keep loving each other. 930 01:06:12,762 --> 01:06:14,298 Do you think she can get out the windows. 931 01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:16,002 No, she's safe. 932 01:06:16,232 --> 01:06:21,232 No, don't hurt me, stop. No, no, no, don't hurt me, please, no, no, no. 933 01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,854 What we'll be doing is deliberately provoking Catherine's rage. 934 01:07:08,083 --> 01:07:11,724 We'll all be holding her and at first she'll seem very passive, 935 01:07:12,321 --> 01:07:15,825 until she realizes that she can't get up and that's when you'll see the rage. 936 01:07:16,826 --> 01:07:19,636 Now I have to warn you, this is not pleasant to watch. 937 01:07:19,795 --> 01:07:21,297 But you must trust me. 938 01:07:22,331 --> 01:07:27,280 It's only by provoking her rage that we and she will have access 939 01:07:27,369 --> 01:07:29,315 to the pain that's buried so deep. 940 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:32,310 Any questions? 941 01:07:36,278 --> 01:07:39,020 Okay, Cat. You comfy? 942 01:07:39,582 --> 01:07:40,458 I'm fine. 943 01:07:41,183 --> 01:07:42,253 Look at me, honey. 944 01:07:44,019 --> 01:07:46,295 How do you how do you feel when we're holding you like this? 945 01:07:46,489 --> 01:07:47,399 Okay. 946 01:07:47,523 --> 01:07:49,662 Talk to me, honey. Talk to me. 947 01:07:52,561 --> 01:07:53,733 Let me go, I want to get up. 948 01:07:53,863 --> 01:07:56,537 Oh, really? You're the boss now, huh, you're gonna tell me what to do? 949 01:07:56,632 --> 01:07:58,168 Look at me. Atta girl. 950 01:07:58,267 --> 01:07:59,041 Stop! 951 01:07:59,235 --> 01:08:01,237 It doesn't look like you're going anywhere, huh? 952 01:08:01,604 --> 01:08:04,517 Oh come on, my grandmother can kick harder than that. Come on. 953 01:08:04,607 --> 01:08:07,247 Let me go. I let go. Lemme go. 954 01:08:07,343 --> 01:08:08,617 Who's the boss now, Cat, huh? 955 01:08:08,711 --> 01:08:11,123 Can't be Cat because it don't look like she's going anywhere. 956 01:08:11,347 --> 01:08:13,293 Let me go, let me go. 957 01:08:13,749 --> 01:08:14,784 Who's the boss, Cat? 958 01:08:14,884 --> 01:08:18,058 I am. I am. I could do whatever I want. 959 01:08:18,354 --> 01:08:21,164 Oh, you can? Well you can't get up, what kind of a boss is that? 960 01:08:21,257 --> 01:08:22,292 It's not much of a boss, is it? 961 01:08:22,424 --> 01:08:26,895 No, stop, no, no. 962 01:08:26,996 --> 01:08:36,075 Come on. Ssh. I can't hear you. What is it? 963 01:08:36,205 --> 01:08:38,811 I hate your guts, you ugly old bitch. 964 01:08:39,775 --> 01:08:42,585 Good, good. You're getting honest now, huh? 965 01:08:42,711 --> 01:08:44,520 I want you to look at me when you say that. 966 01:08:44,647 --> 01:08:47,491 I want you look at me and I want you to say it real loud, okay? Say it. 967 01:08:47,683 --> 01:08:48,957 I want you to look at me, I want you to say it loud. 968 01:08:49,051 --> 01:08:51,531 Do you understand what I'm saying? Say it loud, come on. Are you scared? 969 01:08:52,288 --> 01:08:54,165 Come on, say it. Come on, loud. 970 01:08:54,256 --> 01:08:56,759 I hate your guts, you ugly old bitch. 971 01:08:56,859 --> 01:08:58,896 Okay, louder. Louder, Cat, louder. 972 01:08:58,994 --> 01:08:59,995 No. 973 01:09:00,095 --> 01:09:00,800 Say it again. 974 01:09:00,896 --> 01:09:03,206 I hate your guts you ugly old bitch. 975 01:09:03,299 --> 01:09:04,972 Okay, one more time, Cat. Say it loud. 976 01:09:05,067 --> 01:09:08,674 You're doing great, kiddo, say it again, one more time. 977 01:09:08,771 --> 01:09:09,715 Come on, one more time. 978 01:09:09,805 --> 01:09:12,843 I hate your guts you ugly old bitch. 979 01:09:12,942 --> 01:09:14,888 Why do you hate me? Why do you hate me? 980 01:09:14,977 --> 01:09:16,456 You won't let me go. 981 01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:19,685 Cat, Cat, honey, when have you felt this way before? Look at me. 982 01:09:19,782 --> 01:09:20,886 I don't know. 983 01:09:20,983 --> 01:09:21,859 How do you feel, honey? 984 01:09:21,951 --> 01:09:24,932 Mommy, Mommy, make her stop. Please, Mommy, I want to get up. 985 01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:25,555 Mommy, Mommy, Mommy. 986 01:09:25,654 --> 01:09:28,794 Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. 987 01:09:30,292 --> 01:09:35,173 Cat, Cat, Cat. Come here. 988 01:09:36,098 --> 01:09:38,374 No, no, don't touch me. 989 01:09:38,534 --> 01:09:41,743 Cat, Cat. Come on, it's okay. Cat, come here. 990 01:09:41,837 --> 01:09:44,374 Mrs. Tyler, please trust this process. 991 01:09:44,473 --> 01:09:47,818 You are terrorizing her. She is horrified. 992 01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:50,249 That's because she's frustrated and she's full of rage 993 01:09:50,346 --> 01:09:52,087 because she's not getting what she wants. 994 01:09:52,648 --> 01:09:56,186 What we have to do is get through that rage into the pain 995 01:09:56,385 --> 01:09:57,887 and through to the empathy. 996 01:09:57,987 --> 01:10:00,331 How can she learn empathy from cruelty? 997 01:10:01,490 --> 01:10:04,630 My intent isn't cruel. Is yours? 998 01:10:05,794 --> 01:10:07,501 This is the only way we know how to do it. 999 01:10:07,630 --> 01:10:08,335 It's the only way. 1000 01:10:08,430 --> 01:10:10,569 Or do you think talk therapy is going to help? 1001 01:10:10,699 --> 01:10:13,009 You have a homicidal child on your hands. 1002 01:10:13,502 --> 01:10:16,039 Let's try to do something before she kills someone. 1003 01:10:16,505 --> 01:10:22,717 Cat, Cat, all right, come on, it's okay, come on, come on. 1004 01:10:22,811 --> 01:10:25,087 Cat, Cat, come on, Cat. 1005 01:10:25,214 --> 01:10:26,955 No, no, stop. I hate her. 1006 01:10:27,049 --> 01:10:34,797 I hate you. No, no, stop, no, no, stop, let me go. 1007 01:10:34,990 --> 01:10:39,871 I want to get up. No, stop. No, no, stop. No. 1008 01:10:39,962 --> 01:10:44,570 You're doing fine. Say it louder. Louder. 1009 01:10:45,607 --> 01:10:49,214 Come on, come on, scream. How are you feeling, Cat? 1010 01:10:49,578 --> 01:10:50,352 Mad. 1011 01:10:50,545 --> 01:10:51,853 You're mad? What are you mad at? 1012 01:10:51,947 --> 01:10:52,652 You. 1013 01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:53,624 Louder, louder. 1014 01:10:53,715 --> 01:10:55,558 Okay, louder, Cat, right at me. Right at me. 1015 01:10:55,717 --> 01:10:58,721 I hate you. I hate you. I'm going to kill you. 1016 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,924 Oh, say why. Why do you want to kill us, Cat? Why? 1017 01:11:02,090 --> 01:11:03,034 I don't know. 1018 01:11:03,358 --> 01:11:04,928 Say why, Cat. Why do you want? 1019 01:11:05,027 --> 01:11:06,506 I don't know, I don't know. 1020 01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:08,939 Let it out, Cat. Come on, let it out. 1021 01:11:09,197 --> 01:11:12,201 I'm gonna choke you to death like the baby birds. 1022 01:11:12,601 --> 01:11:15,605 And Daddy, I'm gonna stab you with a knife. 1023 01:11:15,804 --> 01:11:16,874 With a knife! 1024 01:11:17,372 --> 01:11:18,612 Say why, Cat. Why do you want to kill us? 1025 01:11:18,707 --> 01:11:21,688 You're hurting me. 1026 01:11:24,312 --> 01:11:27,691 All right, Cat, good girl, you're doing good, okay. 1027 01:11:28,250 --> 01:11:29,524 Go on, take her. 1028 01:11:30,318 --> 01:11:34,630 Come on, sweetie, it's okay. It's okay. 1029 01:11:40,829 --> 01:11:43,366 I think this takes as much out of us as it does out of her. 1030 01:11:43,565 --> 01:11:46,842 I know. I wish there was an easier way. 1031 01:11:47,903 --> 01:11:55,117 You ready to go? Oh my goodness, you're so big. 1032 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,760 I think she's starting to feel the pain underneath the rage. 1033 01:12:05,153 --> 01:12:06,564 That's progress. 1034 01:12:07,923 --> 01:12:11,769 I hope so. It's been six weeks. 1035 01:12:13,195 --> 01:12:14,731 Only six weeks. 1036 01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:16,668 Rosemary, we have to go home. 1037 01:12:18,166 --> 01:12:22,137 Oh, no. Oh, please just give me uh just a little more time. 1038 01:12:22,404 --> 01:12:26,614 I know. We've agonized about this but there's just no more money. 1039 01:12:26,875 --> 01:12:28,377 And our son is... 1040 01:12:30,145 --> 01:12:36,426 No, I understand. Uhm, well, I ordinary wouldn't allow this, 1041 01:12:36,518 --> 01:12:38,964 but uh you both have been especially sensitive 1042 01:12:39,054 --> 01:12:40,089 to this training. 1043 01:12:40,555 --> 01:12:44,901 You've learned a lot. I think you can do this work at home. 1044 01:12:45,761 --> 01:12:46,831 But together. 1045 01:12:46,928 --> 01:12:49,135 There must always be two of you to handle the rage. 1046 01:12:50,298 --> 01:12:53,006 I'm available, you can call me day or night. 1047 01:12:54,536 --> 01:12:57,244 You pay for the phone call, I'll pay for my time. 1048 01:12:58,440 --> 01:12:59,646 Thank you. 1049 01:13:07,048 --> 01:13:09,221 Eric says hi. And Grandma and Grandpa. 1050 01:13:09,851 --> 01:13:12,491 Mommy, am I getting better? 1051 01:13:13,188 --> 01:13:14,223 What do you think? 1052 01:13:14,589 --> 01:13:16,091 I think I am. 1053 01:13:16,424 --> 01:13:17,801 How come? 1054 01:13:18,059 --> 01:13:20,266 I haven't done any bad things. 1055 01:13:21,396 --> 01:13:24,172 That's right, you haven't. Do you want to? 1056 01:13:26,968 --> 01:13:30,506 I love you so much. So much. 1057 01:13:30,972 --> 01:13:32,781 I love you, too, Mommy. 1058 01:13:33,175 --> 01:13:34,245 Goodnight. 1059 01:13:34,943 --> 01:13:36,684 Goodnight. 1060 01:13:49,558 --> 01:13:54,558 No, stop, please, no, no, stop, no, no, don't, no, stop, 1061 01:14:01,203 --> 01:14:06,203 don't hurt me, I'm sorry. No, stop, no stop, don't hurt me. 1062 01:14:42,177 --> 01:14:46,353 Mommy, Daddy. Mommy, Daddy, Mommy, Daddy. 1063 01:14:46,448 --> 01:14:49,292 Get that rope! 1064 01:14:52,687 --> 01:14:56,965 Move it! 1065 01:15:10,906 --> 01:15:11,816 Oh, Catherine. 1066 01:15:17,612 --> 01:15:20,286 You left me. You left me. 1067 01:15:20,382 --> 01:15:23,522 No, honey, we didn't. We're here. You're safe. 1068 01:15:24,586 --> 01:15:25,724 You forgot me. 1069 01:15:25,921 --> 01:15:29,528 Cat, we didn't forget you. We just had to go see about the fire. 1070 01:15:31,059 --> 01:15:32,561 Did Justin do it? 1071 01:15:34,195 --> 01:15:35,469 Yes, honey, he did. 1072 01:15:36,765 --> 01:15:38,403 Did he burn anybody? 1073 01:15:38,566 --> 01:15:42,378 No, thank God. Okay, it's time for bed. 1074 01:15:42,537 --> 01:15:46,952 Please, can I sleep here? Please, please, I'm scared. 1075 01:15:48,977 --> 01:15:51,150 All right. Just for tonight. 1076 01:15:54,349 --> 01:15:55,350 Cat. 1077 01:16:01,589 --> 01:16:02,659 Cat, what are you doing? 1078 01:16:09,130 --> 01:16:10,666 I just had to get Grizzley. 1079 01:16:10,765 --> 01:16:19,446 Oh, good idea. Come on. Can you get under there? I love you, Cat. 1080 01:16:20,875 --> 01:16:23,048 'Night, Mommy. 'Night, daddy. 1081 01:16:23,144 --> 01:16:24,179 Goodnight, sweetie. 1082 01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:50,031 Rob! 1083 01:17:50,832 --> 01:17:55,832 No, no, no, no, let me go, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. 1084 01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:06,823 Cat. 1085 01:18:06,915 --> 01:18:08,087 Oh God. 1086 01:18:13,788 --> 01:18:18,032 I can't pretend to know why it happened and happened now, I can only speculate. 1087 01:18:18,526 --> 01:18:22,474 The fire, the rage that came with the panic uh when she felt deserted. 1088 01:18:23,798 --> 01:18:25,835 Of course this work brings up old memories, 1089 01:18:25,934 --> 01:18:26,810 you know. 1090 01:18:27,335 --> 01:18:28,575 But we were talking last night 1091 01:18:28,703 --> 01:18:31,013 and she said she didn't want to do bad things. 1092 01:18:31,406 --> 01:18:32,612 I'm sure she meant it. 1093 01:18:34,442 --> 01:18:38,151 Will she ever change? Well she ever lead a normal life? 1094 01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:41,323 Jill, if you're asking me for a guarantee can't give you one. 1095 01:18:41,449 --> 01:18:44,828 This is not a quick fix. don't trust anybody that tells you it is. 1096 01:18:45,620 --> 01:18:46,496 It's terrifying, 1097 01:18:46,588 --> 01:18:49,398 I know, but we have to teach this child how to access her pain 1098 01:18:49,491 --> 01:18:51,664 and her rage so that she can understand it 1099 01:18:51,759 --> 01:18:53,136 and then she can control it. 1100 01:18:53,595 --> 01:18:55,632 But what if she can't learn? What if she ends up like Justin? 1101 01:18:55,730 --> 01:18:59,576 Do I just sit and wait for her to try to kill Rob or Eric? 1102 01:19:00,869 --> 01:19:03,406 Well, Justin's eleven. 1103 01:19:03,705 --> 01:19:06,379 We don't know enough yet to easily reach a child of that age. 1104 01:19:06,808 --> 01:19:08,310 But there's hope for Catherine. 1105 01:19:08,409 --> 01:19:11,856 Here, or at home as you continue to work with her. 1106 01:19:12,447 --> 01:19:13,892 I don't know if I can. 1107 01:19:14,682 --> 01:19:16,161 Maybe I should take over. 1108 01:19:16,451 --> 01:19:18,692 Well it's better if she bonds with her mother first. 1109 01:19:21,456 --> 01:19:26,769 Jill? We have this last session. Can you do it? 1110 01:19:29,831 --> 01:19:33,176 I'll kill you. I'll kill you. 1111 01:19:33,334 --> 01:19:34,335 Why do you want to kill us? 1112 01:19:34,669 --> 01:19:36,046 You're hurting me. 1113 01:19:36,137 --> 01:19:38,708 No, your birth dad hurt you, Cat, Your birth dad hurt you. 1114 01:19:39,107 --> 01:19:45,319 You hurt me. Don't hurt me. Please, Daddy, don't hurt me. 1115 01:19:45,513 --> 01:19:46,787 Don't hurt me, don't hurt me. 1116 01:19:46,881 --> 01:19:48,758 What do you see? What are you seeing, Cat, What is it? 1117 01:19:48,850 --> 01:19:50,386 He's coming. He's coming. 1118 01:19:50,485 --> 01:19:51,259 What's he doing? 1119 01:19:51,753 --> 01:19:53,198 How do you feel, Cat, how do you feel? 1120 01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:59,632 I'll kill him. I hate him. I'll kill you. 1121 01:19:59,794 --> 01:20:00,829 Tell him, Cat. 1122 01:20:01,396 --> 01:20:06,402 I'll kill you, I'll kill you, I'll kill you. I'll stab you like Casey. 1123 01:20:06,801 --> 01:20:10,613 I'll beat you like Eric. I'll burn you like Justin. 1124 01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:14,282 You'll die and you'll bleed and you'll hurt and you'll die 1125 01:20:14,375 --> 01:20:17,413 and you'll die and you'll die. 1126 01:20:18,112 --> 01:20:19,250 How do you feel, Cat? 1127 01:20:22,584 --> 01:20:30,002 I hurt. Mommy, Mommy, I hurt. I hurt, I hurt. Hold me, 1128 01:20:30,091 --> 01:20:37,441 Mommy, Mommy, hold me. Hold me, Mommy, Mommy I hurt, hold me. 1129 01:20:37,532 --> 01:20:45,474 Okay, sweetie, I got you, sweetheart, I got you. I got you, sweetheart. 1130 01:20:45,673 --> 01:20:49,280 It's okay to hurt and it's okay to be mad. 1131 01:20:49,844 --> 01:20:57,023 Look at me, Cat. Now listen. Your birth dad hurt Baby Cat. 1132 01:20:58,086 --> 01:21:01,863 But this is your daddy and he loves you very much. 1133 01:21:01,956 --> 01:21:06,462 Do you understand that your birth dad hurt Baby Cat 1134 01:21:06,761 --> 01:21:09,537 and that's why she wants to hurt other people. 1135 01:21:10,999 --> 01:21:12,137 Kill them. 1136 01:21:12,934 --> 01:21:15,676 Yeah, kill them. Do you know why? 1137 01:21:17,438 --> 01:21:21,147 Do you want other people to hurt like you hurt? 1138 01:21:21,809 --> 01:21:23,152 And be dead. 1139 01:21:25,713 --> 01:21:28,956 Your birth dad hurt Baby Cat. 1140 01:21:29,617 --> 01:21:32,621 And that's why she wants to hurt and kill. 1141 01:21:33,888 --> 01:21:37,335 But Cat isn't a baby. Not any more. 1142 01:21:37,659 --> 01:21:41,573 She's a big, strong, beautiful girl. 1143 01:21:42,297 --> 01:21:43,401 Big, strong, 1144 01:21:43,498 --> 01:21:47,640 beautiful Catherine can tell Baby Cat to stop. 1145 01:21:48,102 --> 01:21:56,351 Big Catherine can control Baby Cat. And when she does, do you know something. 1146 01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:05,021 That's when the hurting will start to go away. 1147 01:22:14,862 --> 01:22:16,170 Have faith. 1148 01:22:22,049 --> 01:22:26,464 A few months ago, I preached a sermon to you about love. 1149 01:22:26,654 --> 01:22:34,573 I said even when things seem difficult, have faith in love. 1150 01:22:35,229 --> 01:22:38,676 This morning, home again, with my family, 1151 01:22:38,766 --> 01:22:41,508 among those that we love and love us, 1152 01:22:43,404 --> 01:22:45,281 that's what I was going to tell you again. 1153 01:22:46,507 --> 01:22:51,547 Implying that those who have faith live happily ever 1154 01:22:51,645 --> 01:22:54,148 or at least happier ever after. 1155 01:22:58,152 --> 01:22:59,631 But I want to confess to 1156 01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,463 you, her, today, 1157 01:23:04,758 --> 01:23:08,604 that my faith is being tested as it has never been tested before. 1158 01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:12,340 And it breaks my heart, as it breaks my heart 1159 01:23:12,433 --> 01:23:18,975 to know that children can be so thoroughly neglected 1160 01:23:19,306 --> 01:23:24,306 and so brutally abused that they lose their capacity to love 1161 01:23:30,851 --> 01:23:34,731 and to be loved, forever. 1162 01:23:40,394 --> 01:23:45,002 That they must, just to protect themselves, 1163 01:23:46,233 --> 01:23:47,940 wall off their hearts 1164 01:23:48,302 --> 01:23:51,772 and open their souls to evil just to survive. 1165 01:23:52,373 --> 01:24:00,190 That they must abjure conscience, set aside empathy, remorse, compassion, 1166 01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,784 all of the feelings and the emotions that bind us together 1167 01:24:03,884 --> 01:24:06,296 as human beings and as children of God. 1168 01:24:09,023 --> 01:24:17,636 So let us vow to protect every child from neglect and abuse 1169 01:24:17,965 --> 01:24:21,606 and all of the other horrors of the world so that all children, 1170 01:24:21,702 --> 01:24:23,773 everywhere, will always, 1171 01:24:25,406 --> 01:24:30,406 always be open to the love of God and live in God's love forever. 1172 01:24:45,659 --> 01:24:47,969 So it was okay, staying with Grandma and Grandpa? 1173 01:24:48,462 --> 01:24:49,372 Can I go back? 1174 01:24:49,496 --> 01:24:50,668 You sure can. 1175 01:24:50,764 --> 01:24:52,038 You can even go fishing. 1176 01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:53,974 But right now, we'd like you to stay 1177 01:24:54,068 --> 01:24:56,105 with us for a while because we missed you so much. 1178 01:24:56,203 --> 01:24:57,341 Is that okay? 1179 01:24:58,839 --> 01:25:01,115 There's nothing to be afraid of, sweetheart. 1180 01:25:01,208 --> 01:25:02,312 Do you have your whistle? 1181 01:25:04,545 --> 01:25:05,717 You sure do, huh? 1182 01:25:05,813 --> 01:25:07,156 Okay, put it back under there. 1183 01:25:07,781 --> 01:25:08,919 Okay, let's go to bed. 1184 01:25:09,016 --> 01:25:09,756 Sleep tight, son. 1185 01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:10,920 See you in the morning. 1186 01:25:17,925 --> 01:25:18,995 Goodnight, Cat. 1187 01:25:19,593 --> 01:25:20,401 Goodnight, Mom. 1188 01:25:28,035 --> 01:25:29,844 Can I have a hug? 1189 01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:36,953 Goodnight, Cat. 1190 01:25:37,544 --> 01:25:38,454 Goodnight, Dad. 1191 01:25:53,527 --> 01:25:56,337 Oh, Daddy, stop, stop. 1192 01:25:56,430 --> 01:26:02,472 Come on, yeah, you're daddy's baby, aren't you? 1193 01:26:03,904 --> 01:26:05,349 Oh yeah. 1194 01:26:09,610 --> 01:26:12,386 You're so hot for daddy, ain't ya? 1195 01:26:13,647 --> 01:26:14,921 Come on. 1196 01:26:24,625 --> 01:26:27,401 Oh, baby, you're so hot for your daddy. 1197 01:26:45,612 --> 01:26:49,992 No. No. No. 1198 01:26:55,856 --> 01:26:59,235 Come on, little honey. 1199 01:27:00,527 --> 01:27:03,133 No, Daddy, no, no. 1200 01:27:07,234 --> 01:27:10,807 Oh, baby, you're so hot for your Daddy. 1201 01:27:13,874 --> 01:27:15,785 No, Daddy, no, no. 1202 01:27:15,876 --> 01:27:18,152 You're hurting me, you're hurting me. 1203 01:27:18,345 --> 01:27:23,124 No, no, no. 1204 01:27:24,251 --> 01:27:33,933 No... 1205 01:27:36,530 --> 01:27:37,804 I killed him. 1206 01:27:38,332 --> 01:27:39,606 Look, I killed him. 1207 01:27:39,967 --> 01:27:41,071 See, I killed him. 1208 01:27:41,168 --> 01:27:43,079 Look, I killed him. 1209 01:27:43,203 --> 01:27:46,241 See, I killed him. 1210 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,485 I killed him, look. 1211 01:27:49,376 --> 01:27:51,447 I killed him, look. 1212 01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:54,184 I killed him, see. I killed him. 1213 01:27:54,281 --> 01:27:54,884 Cat, come on, it's okay. 1214 01:27:54,982 --> 01:27:56,017 Honey, why don't you get her back to her room. 1215 01:27:56,116 --> 01:27:58,289 It's okay. It's okay. There you go. 1216 01:27:58,385 --> 01:28:00,092 Look, Daddy, I killed him. 1217 01:28:00,187 --> 01:28:01,427 I killed him. 1218 01:28:02,723 --> 01:28:03,861 Jill, will you stop it please. 1219 01:28:03,957 --> 01:28:06,870 It's not your fault, it's not my fault, it's not anybody's. 1220 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:07,802 I wanted them, too. 1221 01:28:07,894 --> 01:28:09,134 I mean I want them. 1222 01:28:09,630 --> 01:28:11,268 We we can't let her do something 1223 01:28:11,365 --> 01:28:13,106 that she'll have to live with the rest of her life. 1224 01:28:13,900 --> 01:28:14,378 I don't understand. 1225 01:28:14,468 --> 01:28:15,412 What are you saying? 1226 01:28:17,504 --> 01:28:20,280 Sitting in church I realized that I can't let her go, 1227 01:28:20,374 --> 01:28:21,682 no matter what she's done. 1228 01:28:22,609 --> 01:28:25,522 And uh if anyone going to be her mother, 1229 01:28:25,612 --> 01:28:27,751 if she's going to bond with anyone, it'll be me. 1230 01:28:28,482 --> 01:28:31,088 So I'll take her. 1231 01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:32,563 Take her? 1232 01:28:32,653 --> 01:28:33,597 What do you mean? 1233 01:28:34,054 --> 01:28:37,263 Look, I didn't adopt these kids just to be separated from my wife. 1234 01:28:37,357 --> 01:28:38,859 Just until she's better. 1235 01:28:39,426 --> 01:28:40,496 And if she isn't? 1236 01:28:40,994 --> 01:28:42,905 If she ends up like Justin, what are we supposed to do, 1237 01:28:42,996 --> 01:28:44,566 just give up our lives together. 1238 01:28:44,798 --> 01:28:46,072 Do you think that's what God wants? 1239 01:28:46,166 --> 01:28:47,338 I don't know what God wants. 1240 01:28:47,501 --> 01:28:48,878 He doesn't talk to me, okay? 1241 01:28:52,306 --> 01:28:55,947 I mean, maybe here's where we're supposed to be missionaries, 1242 01:28:56,043 --> 01:28:56,953 not in Africa. 1243 01:28:57,044 --> 01:28:57,613 Together? 1244 01:28:57,711 --> 01:28:59,554 But no, here, here, with Cat... yes, together. 1245 01:29:00,213 --> 01:29:01,988 We'll be together, just not living together. 1246 01:29:02,082 --> 01:29:03,117 I'll get an apartment. 1247 01:29:03,216 --> 01:29:04,718 You're not leaving. 1248 01:29:04,918 --> 01:29:07,057 And if she does something to hurt you or Eric? 1249 01:29:07,154 --> 01:29:08,292 Or you? 1250 01:29:08,522 --> 01:29:09,557 I'll put an alarm on the door. 1251 01:29:09,656 --> 01:29:10,896 You can do that here. 1252 01:29:11,692 --> 01:29:14,571 And raise Eric in a prison, terrified all the time. 1253 01:29:15,362 --> 01:29:16,898 Rob, listen to me, please. 1254 01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:18,532 Feel what I'm feeling. 1255 01:29:19,366 --> 01:29:22,472 I want to love her as a mother loves a child... 1256 01:29:22,736 --> 01:29:24,716 like you want to love her as a daughter. 1257 01:29:25,706 --> 01:29:26,650 And I don't. 1258 01:29:27,074 --> 01:29:28,052 I can't. 1259 01:29:28,842 --> 01:29:30,879 But I love her with all the compassion in my heart 1260 01:29:30,977 --> 01:29:32,479 and I could no more abandon her 1261 01:29:32,579 --> 01:29:36,994 than I, I could turn away a starving man that God sent to my door for food. 1262 01:29:39,286 --> 01:29:42,597 And neither can you, my love, my beautiful husband. 1263 01:29:42,689 --> 01:29:43,793 Neither can you. 1264 01:29:46,860 --> 01:29:48,430 Let's go and work with our daughter. 1265 01:29:53,700 --> 01:29:54,701 I don't want to. 1266 01:29:55,469 --> 01:29:56,971 Come on, okay, honey. 1267 01:29:57,571 --> 01:29:58,447 Okay, Cat. 1268 01:29:58,638 --> 01:30:00,117 I'm so scared. 1269 01:30:00,207 --> 01:30:01,811 We love you, honey. 1270 01:30:01,908 --> 01:30:07,915 No, no, lemme go. No, stop. 1271 01:30:08,181 --> 01:30:11,094 Let me go. No, I'm a good girl. 1272 01:30:11,251 --> 01:30:12,753 Don't hate me, don't hurt me. 1273 01:30:12,886 --> 01:30:17,801 No, lemme go. I'm good. Stop. 1274 01:30:17,891 --> 01:30:19,768 I'm a good girl, don't hate me. 1275 01:30:19,893 --> 01:30:20,496 Let me go. 1276 01:30:20,594 --> 01:30:25,236 Jill. Jill. Jill. Jill. 1277 01:30:29,169 --> 01:30:36,018 No... 1278 01:30:51,324 --> 01:30:53,429 Tears for Baby Cat? 1279 01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,237 Yes, sweetheart, tears for Baby Cat. 1280 01:30:57,397 --> 01:31:01,004 And for all the other babies hurt in the world who need Mommies 1281 01:31:01,101 --> 01:31:05,140 and Daddies to hold them and to love them. 1282 01:31:05,572 --> 01:31:09,281 Don't cry. Don't cry. 1283 01:31:12,379 --> 01:31:14,086 What are you feeling, Cat? 1284 01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:20,797 Tears. Tears for you, Mommy. 1285 01:31:21,822 --> 01:31:23,768 Tears for you. 1286 01:31:35,802 --> 01:31:37,213 I love you, Mommy. 1287 01:31:37,804 --> 01:31:39,784 I love you, Daddy. 1288 01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:46,355 I love you too. 97900

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