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More of that in a moment,
but here's Jill with something else.
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Struggling away, hello.
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Uh…
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[Jill Dando] Television in some way had
always fascinated me from the year dot.
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I was about eight years old
and I'd have my four library tickets
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and go to the library
and get books about television.
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[female reporter] Good morning.
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You're watching
the BBC's Breakfast News at 6:30.
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It took me I suppose, um,
until I was about 25 to get inside.
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[woman 1] Jill Dando.
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[man 1] Jill was the most famous
TV presenter on British television.
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[woman 2] The golden girl
of British television,
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murdered on her doorstep
in broad daylight.
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That just does not happen.
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[woman 3] I think anyone
who has got a little bit of fame
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knows that there are two sides to it.
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You get a lot of unwanted attention.
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Strange people. Obsessive.
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You kind of look over your shoulder a bit.
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People all over are joining again
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to solve some of Britain's
most difficult and serious crimes.
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[woman 2] Crimewatch
had a fantastic reputation
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for putting information out there
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and getting people to ring in
with critical pieces of evidence.
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If you harbor any suspicions, do call.
So many clues and so much anguish.
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Do you ever get worried about the things
you see on Crimewatch?
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Oh. Yes, you do. But the crimes
that we show are so rare.
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It's not something that
you walk into the street
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and think, "The same thing's
going to happen to me."
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[woman 3] There was reason to be scared.
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[man 2] It takes a certain sort of person,
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a brutal sadistic psychopath,
to shoot a gun into a head.
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This was one of the largest
murder investigations
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the Metropolitan Police ever had to face.
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[man 1] It's been 22 years
and it's unsolved.
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Whoever did it is still out there.
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[theme music playing]
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One of Britain's most popular television
presenters has been murdered
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in what could be a professional hit.
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The tributes here on the flowers echo
the overriding reaction of shock…
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[man 1] Even the Queen has been moved
to comment, saying she is shocked…
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[man 2] Police say there are many
possible motives for the murder.
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[man 3] …responsible for
solving so many crimes
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may have created enemies in the process.
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[woman 1] The Crimewatch presenter
may have been assassinated in retaliation
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for the NATO bombing of the Belgrade.
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[man 4] Detectives confirm that Jill Dando
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had claimed of being followed
by a stalker.
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[woman 2] A man who has gone
on trial in London
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had an obsession with celebrities
and was fascinated with firearms.
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[man 5] Detectives say they're not
ruling out any line of inquiry.
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Some believe the killer
may have got away with murder.
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[somber music playing]
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[phone ringing]
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[man] Ambulance service, hello?
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[woman] Hello, ambulance?
I'm walking along Gowan Avenue.
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It looks like, um,
there's somebody collapsed.
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And, confidentially,
it looks like it's Jill Dando.
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And she's collapsed on her doorstep.
There's a lot of blood.
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[man] Can you approach
and check that she's breathing?
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-[woman] Doesn't look like she is.
-[man] Right.
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[woman] Blood's coming
from her nose, her arms are blue.
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[man] I need to find out
if she needs… if she's breathing.
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Is the lady's chest going up and down?
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[woman] Oh, my God.
No. I don't think she's alive.
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-[man] Okay.
-I'm sorry.
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[man] Don't worry. I'll get help for you.
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[woman] Please.
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[man] I was on call for
the central London murder group.
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[phone ringing]
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We had been busy, we were under-resourced.
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And I was told by my detective sergeant
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that there had been a stabbing
down in Fulham.
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[siren wailing]
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Fulham was a well-to-do, wealthy area.
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So it was unusual for that reason.
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Very unusual.
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I was driving down there
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and I got a phone call
from my chief superintendent.
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[cell phone ringing]
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And he said to me, "That case,
that's going to be Jill Dando."
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In most homicide cases,
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the detectives would not have known
their victim at all,
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but in this case,
almost everybody knew of Jill Dando.
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[ambulance siren wailing]
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There was an ambulance coming up
the Fulham Road as we were going down,
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and I realized that was her
being taken away from the scene.
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[woman] It was a lovely spring day…
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and I was reading the bulletins,
the news summaries.
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The next scheduled bulletin is at 2:40.
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I had put on a rather nice blue suit.
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Well, one actually that came
from the designers
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that Jill and I used to go to together.
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[indistinct chatter]
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And everything was fine in the newsroom,
which is a buzzy, noisy, vibrant place.
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[man] …page 45.
Tell me what promos you're running?
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And then the news came in
that a woman had been killed.
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And these rumors started going
around the newsroom that it was Jill.
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And it went terribly quiet.
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-[siren wailing]
-[gripping music playing]
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[indistinct police radio chatter]
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[Hamish Campbell] When I arrived,
I was briefed by the uniformed officers.
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And they told me that no one had seen
what had actually happened to Jill.
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But they had already identified
two witnesses
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who had seen a man leaving the scene.
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And they described this white man,
dark hair, thick-set,
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wearing a coat, a dark coat,
wasn't masked, wasn't wearing gloves.
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So the real focus right there
was how the person
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who had been seen running away
was to be caught.
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Uniformed officers were told
to spread out and search the area.
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We were waiting for information
from the hospital
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because there was no confirmation
that Jill had died.
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That changed very quickly
when I stood on the pavement
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and just looked from the gate,
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up to the front door of Jill's house.
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And I could see
the bullet and casing on the doorstep.
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Jill Dando had been shot in the head.
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It was immediately sort of unfathomable.
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The concept of any woman
being shot in the head in London,
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yet alone a celebrity,
was rare in the extreme.
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[indistinct chatter]
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The media are already up
at the top cordon.
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I knew then that the media interest
was going to be extraordinary.
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[ambulance siren wailing]
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[male doctor] Jill Dando arrived here
by ambulance at 12:30 p.m.
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Despite all efforts by ambulance
paramedics and hospital medical staff,
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she was certified dead at 1:03 p.m.
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The newsroom was cold with… with shock.
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Real shock.
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We're people who are used to reporting
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on all sorts of deaths, disasters, wars.
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But to have one of your own…
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[laughing] I'm sorry. It's just I was…
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[Jennie] One of your very, very own,
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killed in that manner on her own doorstep
was just too awful to believe.
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[somber music playing]
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And I… I had to read it.
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[man] Jill was 37.
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[Jennie] I remember a boss saying to me,
"Are you going to be okay doing this?"
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And I said, yeah, I'll be okay.
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[man] Jill was 37.
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Pete, I'm telling you she was 37.
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All right.
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[man] I told her, she was 37.
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She was exactly two years
younger than me. She was 37.
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What shall I say?
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[man] I'm telling you,
she was definitely 37. Definitely.
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Here we go.
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Within the past few minutes,
police have confirmed
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that the BBC television presenter
Jill Dando has been stabbed to death
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outside her west London home.
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She died in the ambulance
on her way to hospital.
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There are no more details at the moment.
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The next scheduled bulletin is at 2:40.
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[intriguing music playing]
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I was working in the, uh, Bristol office
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of the Bristol Evening Post.
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And our newsroom had a bank of TV screens.
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Our BBC colleague Jill Dando has died
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after being attacked
outside her London home.
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[Nigel] Reports were coming out
that she had died.
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I clicked into sort of automatic mode.
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I thought I need to protect
my dad from this.
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I rushed down to Weston-super-Mare.
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He was obviously devastated.
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I was wondering how we were going
to cope with all this.
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About half an hour
after I had got down to Weston,
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the TV reporter from BBC Points West
knocked on the door. I knew him.
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And I sort of slipped back
into journalistic mode.
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I gave him an interview.
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[man] When did you last see her? Was it…
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I saw her on, um… Easter Sunday.
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It would've been about two,
three weeks ago.
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Yeah, she was on good form.
Um, looking forward to her wedding.
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It was a sense of emptiness
and a sense of despair.
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And I had to explain to my dad
what had happened,
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what was going to happen.
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That we were kind of going to be
in the eye of a storm.
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[helicopter hovering]
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[tense music playing]
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[male reporter] The police search
is well underway now, Alan.
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There are a minimum of 30 detectives.
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You can see behind me
the operation in front of Jill's home.
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[Hamish] All the resources came.
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The ballistics experts, the blood experts,
the scene photographers.
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The scene itself had been
heavily contaminated.
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Because there had been
attempts to resuscitate.
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But everything was picked up,
relevant or not, scrapings, gravel.
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Fingerprint marks from the gate.
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Fibers.
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We had a bullet
and a cartridge casing on the doorstep.
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The ballistics expert told me
it was a single shot
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to the left side of her head.
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Some thought
like a professional execution.
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And that bullet and casing on the doorstep
were from a 9mm caliber weapon.
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The search teams arrived.
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The whole of Gowan Avenue was searched.
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Bins, gardens, flowerbeds, shrubs.
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Looking to see if the gun had been
discarded or anything had been discarded.
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We identified some of the key witnesses.
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The postman, a sort of
Mediterranean-looking man,
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just after ten o'clock on the opposite
side of the road to Jill's house,
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and a witness claimed
he saw a man running across the road
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and he stopped at the bus stop.
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And he was sweating.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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There was a traffic warden,
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and she was about to give a ticket
to the driver of a blue Range Rover,
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and as she was starting
to write the ticket out,
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he brushed her off and he drove away.
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So, I didn't know at the time
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whether there was
one person involved or two or three.
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Everybody in that street on that day
had to be eliminated out
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as much as possible.
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[vehicles honking]
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[birds squawking]
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[gripping music playing]
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The next day's newspapers were absolutely
rammed with stories about the murder.
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It was the only story in town.
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On a sad morning,
we'll be talking about poor Jill Dando.
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The shocking loss of one of Britain's
best-known personalities
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drew many tributes.
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In London,
police are investigating a murder
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that has shocked
the television-viewing public.
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[reporter 1] Jill Dando was,
in the opinion of many in Britain,
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second only to Princess Diana
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in terms of public affection.
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Jill Dando was someone who was known
to, virtually, everybody in this country.
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[reporter 2] Even the Queen
has been moved to comment,
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saying she is shocked and saddened.
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[woman] Following the death
of Princess Diana,
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I would say that Jill Dando's murder
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was the biggest story
that we will ever report on.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Female journalists of my generation
were shaken by it
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because we saw ourselves in Jill.
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Jill had been a journalist.
She loved the press.
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She was good to us, she respected us,
she knew we were doing a job
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and we wanted as much as the police
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to find out who did it
because she was one of us.
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[gripping music playing]
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I was the crime correspondent
at the Daily Mirror.
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I can remember discussing it
with… with my news editor.
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And him saying to me,
"So, what do you think about this?"
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He said, it must be
something with Crimewatch.
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Well, not necessarily, hold your horses.
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One of the pieces of information coming in
from one of our reporters on the ground
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was that they'd found a neighbor
to Jill's house in Gowan Avenue
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who'd heard a scream.
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-[reporter] Did you hear a man's voice?
-No man's voice at all.
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-Did you hear a shot or did you--
-There was no shots.
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From what I'd say was a shot,
I didn't think there was a shot, no.
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[reporter] From your assessment,
what did you hear?
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I did hear… a scream.
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I had a private conversation
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with one of the members
of the murder squad.
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He said we cannot find
any witnesses, any neighbors,
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anybody who was in the area at the time
who actually heard a gunshot.
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We don't have the gun.
We don't have anybody who saw the gun.
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But this weapon could have
had a silencer on it.
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Unlike in the movies,
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a silencer on a gun is a very rare
piece of equipment in real life.
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So, automatically, that suggestion
steered us in the direction
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that maybe this was a professional job.
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Somebody asked the question,
is this an assassination?
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Is this an execution?
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Like a political murder
or an organized crime murder?
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So all the theories about, you know,
the who, the what, the why,
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were starting to stack up.
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[male reporter] Jill Dando was left dying
on the doorstep of her home.
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Revenge, perhaps, for her role as a crime
reporter who helps jail top criminals.
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Everyone had a view on how Jill Dando
was murdered and who was responsible.
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[intriguing music playing]
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Back to the office,
I held a meeting with the team.
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I said, there's a danger of us
being swept up with the media hype.
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And reminded them that,
with any murder investigation,
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the victim was a key element
to try to solve the case.
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So we needed to look at Jill's life.
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Who is Jill
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and who were the persons
closest to her and nearer to her?
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I don't, I'm afraid.
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I'm one of these people
who what you see is what you get.
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I don't think I've got
any skeletons in the cupboard.
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[audience laughing]
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[children chattering]
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[Nigel] I was nine years old
when Jill was born in 1961.
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Quite often on a Sunday as a family,
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we'd go down for a picnic on the beach.
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Do you remember those
sand-blown lettuce sandwiches?
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[laughs]
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They were part of the staple diet
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of summers growing up
in Weston-super-Mare.
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[nostalgic music playing]
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There wasn't much money around.
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We didn't have exotic holidays like that.
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I wonder whether
she actually had a passport
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before she was offered the job
as, uh, presenting the Holiday program.
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[imperceptible]
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It was almost preordained
that she was going to become a journalist.
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Well, she was interested in words
and, um, she was more outgoing than I was.
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I'd whisper in her ear occasionally
saying, "Why are you still in Weston?"
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"Why don't you look for jobs
around the place?"
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Thirty years ago,
a computer capable of similar calculations
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wouldn't have fitted
into a building this size.
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It would have been full of…
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[Nigel] She got a job as a journalist
on BBC Spotlight, based in Plymouth.
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And then became a presenter.
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They do mention the ethics committee
refusing this idea.
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They've said no more sisters
are going to be donors.
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[Nigel] She was so polished
and so professional.
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…Fisherman depend
is in deep financial trouble.
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[Nigel] But at the same time
retaining a natural warmth about her.
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[laughing]
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Sort of a twinkle in her eye.
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Her performances on Spotlight
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caught the attention
of the producers at BBC Breakfast.
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[man] …television made, is going up
the line to Breakfast Time.
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[Nigel] The world by then was her oyster.
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-I must just--
-How many times have I done this now?
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Thank you very much. Oh, God. [laughs]
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-We wish you well, my darling.
-Thank you.
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You better say goodnight
for the last time.
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Good night from here
and good morning from London on Monday.
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[producer] Page 45. Now, would you tell me
what promos you're running?
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Give me that. Just hold on a second.
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No, Bob, I've got to know now.
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Run the first one. I'll confirm
in a couple of seconds.
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I'm Bob Wheaton.
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At that time, I was, uh,
running the six o'clock news.
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I can remember.
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There I was sitting at the desk.
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I'm ready to get the six o'clock news
of the day prepared.
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And there on, um, BBC Breakfast Time…
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-Dementia has found more evidence…
-…was Jill.
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…possible link with aluminum levels…
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[Bob] Hadn't seen her before.
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[Jill] The study, published in…
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She had a good face for television.
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While Frank Bruno's been preparing
for his fight…
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[Bob] Her voice, beautiful,
a classless English voice.
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…tussling with a
television crew in Canada.
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She was a total natural.
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Winds of up to 100 miles an hour…
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[Bob] She shone and I knew
she was gonna go places.
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But I think how you look does matter.
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And she'd arrived from provinces
looking like a regional girl.
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I'd looked at her and said to her,
"You need to sort the way your hair is,
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you need to wear the right clothes."
She'd put on a lot of weight.
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And, you know, she was advised
that she needed to look right.
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At the time she had curly, permed hair.
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Um, brown.
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And she wanted a different look.
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I think I suggested that we cut this short
and, uh, see where we go with it.
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And she said, "I'm going to be
on television. Should I ask my producer?"
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And I went, "No,
probably not a good idea."
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[indistinct chatter]
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[device beeping]
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The government's £3.25 billion package
to keep down the poll tax
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has been welcomed
by Conservative backbenchers.
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[Martyn] It became
quite a signature look.
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And in many ways
I think people saw Jill as a TV Diana.
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[indistinct chatter]
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At that time, Diana would come down
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and we would probably do
the occasional blow-dry.
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[male interviewer]
Who had the haircut first?
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Jill.
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[Bob] Her hair was right.
She had lost a lot of weight.
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Her diction was perfect. She had a charm
about the way she presented the news.
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Well, a fine weekend in prospects.
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And people regarded her
as a girl next door
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who was giving them, uh, the authority
of BBC News and it was a good package.
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I suppose in celebrating
the success, we got closer.
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And, uh, eventually we became involved.
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[Jennie] Jill got involved
with Bob very early on,
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so that was always quite--
I don't want to say this on camera.
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It was a difficult situation. She was…
She was with the boss.
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I think the top will probably be
South Africa again.
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Today, or rather today…
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[Jon] I always thought it was
a very strange relationship
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because she was so freewheeling…
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Just hanging fine…
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And he was quite a control freak,
but in a very quiet way.
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There was no bad word said,
it was like I, you know…
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"Shh. Let me explain. This is what it is."
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It was that kind of relationship.
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…section which has got library film
and graphics and so on.
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Jill was at the top of her game.
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She'd choose what she wanted to do.
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[crowd cheering, applauding]
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I was brought in as a young journalist,
I think I was about 23.
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[pensive music playing]
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I really looked up to Jill.
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Um, she was absolutely
where I wanted to end up.
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The headlines this morning…
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[Anastasia] But it was really hard.
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It was difficult
not to feel a bit of an imposter.
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[Jill] Could we have?
I wouldn't mind some scripts.
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[Anastasia] Sitting next to
these alpha males,
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sometimes she was made to feel inferior.
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So often when he's talking
to ladies who say
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it's harder for us in broadcasting.
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And I keep thinking,
absolute nonsense, I mean, you know,
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if you're a good-looking woman,
then it is not difficult.
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-It, well…
-It is easier.
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No. I think people expect more of women,
that's the trouble, you know…
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As Jill's, uh, career is advancing,
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one of the problems that she had,
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all the women had, was that it was
a very male-dominated company.
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To be absolutely honest,
it was quite misogynistic.
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All sorts of men
will be regarded as controlling
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because men are especially…
Tough editors are tough sometimes.
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But controlling in a way
which is detrimental to the relationship
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or to the person, not at all.
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[intriguing music playing]
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The reality is, most people are killed
by someone they know.
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The people in her inner circle
were Alan Farthing, her fiancé.
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Her previous partner for, who had been
her partner for some years, seven years.
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Mr. Wheaton.
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And her business agent, Mr. Roseman.
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They had to be seen and interviewed
and eliminated primarily by alibi.
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If you could show you were somewhere else
on the 26th of April, in that time frame,
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you can't be the murderer.
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But it doesn't necessarily remove yourself
from somehow arranging for her murder,
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if that was the situation.
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[indistinct chatter]
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First of all I wanted to ask
how you're coping at the moment.
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I think I'm coping in the same way as
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anybody else would cope
under the circumstances.
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I'm devastated.
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Everybody around me is devastated.
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-[indistinct clamoring]
-Hi.
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[indistinct conversation]
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[Alan] I cannot understand
why they would want to kill
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-somebody as gentle…
-This was my mother's…
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…kind, well-meaning and
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as perfect a person as Jill.
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Yes.
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The best daytime television program.
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[Nigel] I'll always remember it.
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We were in the back of a limousine
following Jill's coffin.
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There were just
thousands of people who'd come out.
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Weston just stopped.
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[melancholy music playing]
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I didn't know her personally,
but I thought I'd like to be here.
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[woman] Diana was our rose,
but Jill was our sunflower.
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I can't say any more.
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[male reporter] A hundred or so people
were invited to the church.
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Many of her friends worked
with her at the BBC.
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The coffin arrived
at the church at three o'clock.
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It was accompanied by her brother, Nigel.
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Her father, Jack.
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And, of course, by the man
she would have married this September,
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her fiancé, Alan Farthing.
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[Martyn] When Jill met Alan, it was quite
a life-changing moment for her.
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A moment that she'd thought about
and had dreams of for quite a while.
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She'd announced her engagement.
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She should have been in a church
getting married, you know,
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and here she was
in a church being buried.
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[priest] Life was entering a new,
exciting, fulfilling age.
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Until that fateful moment,
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Jill, the beautiful girl next door,
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known to every family in the country,
was shot dead.
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And then everyone was asking
the question, "Why?"
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[Hamish] Some of my key thinking
about it was,
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if someone deliberately
set out to kill her,
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why would they choose to kill her?
What was to be gained from that?
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What benefit would anybody accrue
from killing Jill Dando?
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And then Alan Farthing mentioned
that a large sum of money,
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over £30,000, £35,000,
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was given by Jill to Mr. Wheaton.
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[intriguing music playing]
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So, that had to be investigated as to why
that sum of money had been given over.
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[Bob] After the funeral,
the police came to see me.
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And one of the policemen goes,
"Well, we've had this report
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that you owed her quite a lot of money,
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um, and you still owed it to her
when she died."
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"Uh, would you like to explain that?"
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I said, "Yeah. Yeah.
I'm quite happy to do that."
479
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,720
[intriguing music playing]
480
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,760
And you sort of feel, gosh,
you know, the light is on me here.
481
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600
They wanted to know about how we met,
482
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,640
um, how long we'd been together,
uh, how did we break up.
483
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,720
And yes, she had contributed towards me
buying my house by the river.
484
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,880
I said, I had a mortgage, um,
but there was a small shortfall.
485
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800
I could've had a bigger mortgage,
but she wanted to share
486
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,520
because we were then
sharing the house together.
487
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,480
And by the way, I do not need
that much money that badly.
488
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,680
I can show you the evidence of why,
and I took him to my computer,
489
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,800
went into my bank account and showed him,
um, that I had quite a lot of money.
490
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,920
She was generous to everybody,
including me.
491
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,120
We loved each other.
492
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720
I wouldn't have ever thought
of doing something like that.
493
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:42,360
To have lost somebody with whom,
uh, I had spent valuable, interesting,
494
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,320
important and enjoyable years
was a massive blow.
495
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440
[pensive music playing]
496
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800
[Hamish] Well, the things
that are innocuous can appear suspicious.
497
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,120
I think it was just a gift
from Jill to Mr. Wheaton.
498
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,480
You know, you talk about things in detail
499
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440
but when following death,
things can emerge,
500
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,520
but they're almost tittle-tattle,
gossip, salacious or otherwise.
501
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,240
But it doesn't move you into the realm
of responsibility for killing someone.
502
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,560
We concluded that he was…
503
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,840
he had nothing to do
with the murder at all.
504
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,560
And we needed to sift out all that noise
505
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,880
and try to really focus
on basic principles
506
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,520
before getting carried away further
and further down different avenues.
507
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160
Jill didn't live at 29 Gowan Avenue.
508
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,880
She lived with her fiancé,
further out in West London.
509
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,320
We knew she visited Gowan Avenue rarely
and stayed overnight even more rarely.
510
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,520
So to know that Jill would turn up
at 29 Gowan Avenue
511
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,040
on Monday morning by 11:30,
512
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,800
you would have to have been following her.
513
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280
-[suspenseful music playing]
-[device beeping]
514
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,120
[detective inspector] I was
the deputy on the inquiry.
515
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,760
It was a painstaking process.
516
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,720
Two officers going through
517
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,960
the many hundreds of hours of CCTV.
518
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,200
There were thousands of people
to eliminate from the inquiry.
519
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Nothing would be discounted
until each had been evaluated
520
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,920
to a degree by one of the team.
521
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,720
There was over 190 CCTV and cameras
in the surrounding streets.
522
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Four hundred and thirty hours
of viewing time.
523
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,640
And from that we established
Jill's movements on the 26th of April.
524
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Started from Alan Farthing's home.
525
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600
[suspenseful music playing]
526
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,600
She stopped at a petrol station.
527
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,360
Filled the car with petrol.
528
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,320
And then she left the petrol station
and she went into Hammersmith town center.
529
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Went to at least two shops, maybe three,
to buy some fax paper or copying paper.
530
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,680
She returned to her car.
531
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Then she left Hammersmith
and travelled south down to Fulham Road.
532
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,880
Then she got down to near Gowan Avenue,
533
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,640
parked right outside her house.
534
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,000
And then she walked up the gateway.
535
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,600
And killed at the doorstep.
536
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,320
[Ian] It was simply a matter
of just plodding through everything.
537
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,360
And we can categorically say,
100%, that she wasn't followed.
538
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440
So, how did the killer know
539
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,320
that she was going to be
at Gowan Avenue that morning?
540
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,640
And then the thinking
541
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,480
is that Jill told somebody where she was.
542
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,680
So we did look at the phone calls
to her on that day.
543
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Who knew she was going to be
where she was?
544
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,760
There was one person alone.
545
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,120
Mr. Roseman.
546
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,639
Jon Roseman was Jill's
very colorful agent.
547
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,239
Um, I had lots of dealings
with Jon over the years.
548
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,199
He was very, uh,
shall I say, robust to deal with.
549
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,800
He was very straight-talking.
Uh, you knew when you'd upset him.
550
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,880
There's a very famous story about him
551
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,280
going around somewhere with a baseball bat
to, uh… to show his feelings.
552
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,360
[gripping music playing]
553
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,800
[Jon] The police, they came to visit me
on a Saturday morning.
554
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,840
And they asked me about this timeline.
555
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,320
Because the only reason she went there
that day was to pick up some faxes
556
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,760
that had been sent to her
from my office about some work.
557
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,600
She was on her way
to a lunch, I think it was.
558
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,600
And so she just, like,
literally stopped off
559
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,440
back to her house to pick up faxes.
560
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
[keys jingling]
561
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,800
One of the things that
they were interested in was my book.
562
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,320
I had always wanted to be a writer.
563
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560
And so I had written a book.
564
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520
They always say,
write about what you know,
565
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,160
so I wrote about an agent.
566
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,200
An agent whose clients were murdered
under mysterious circumstances.
567
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,600
A client who'd been shot.
568
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,240
[Hamish] Mr. Roseman had written a book
569
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,440
which involved the death
of a presenter or personality.
570
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,920
So that seemed ironic
that he's writing a novel
571
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
which actually then occurred in real life.
572
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,840
[Jon] The police, there were two of them,
sitting in my office,
573
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,640
and we talked it through
574
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,920
and they asked me if I had a manuscript
of the book, which I did.
575
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,200
And they also said,
"What was the time difference
576
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,880
between the first murder in the book
and the second murder in the book?"
577
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,360
And I'm thinking,
like I was in the Twilight Zone.
578
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640
I thought, he's not taking this seriously,
579
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:24,040
like somebody's had my manuscript
and is following the plan of the book?
580
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,680
[male interviewer] Did you think
whether others might be suspecting you?
581
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,240
[laughs]
582
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,120
Well, I'd have to have paid someone
to do it, that's for sure.
583
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,920
But I had this reputation,
584
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,200
and yes, I was really tough,
but it was just an act.
585
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,520
And anybody who suspected
that I would cut off
586
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,760
a financial revenue like Jill Dando's
would have to be insane.
587
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,840
[chuckles]
588
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,240
[director] Action.
589
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,400
Well, that's all for this--
590
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400
Hang on, I can't see the lens.
591
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,440
[man] When you turn,
bring your body around.
592
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,720
Oh, okay, right. I'm going…
593
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,760
[Jon] I mean, it sounds terrible,
but had we not sent her any faxes…
594
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,160
That's all from Mauritius.
595
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,440
Next week I'll be on
the Greek island of Skiathos.
596
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160
I'm not going to say--
597
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,600
Had she not gone back to the house
that day, it wouldn't have happened.
598
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Who knows how, where else
it would have happened,
599
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,080
but that was the reason
she went back to the house.
600
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840
I do find this kind of stuff
really difficult to talk about.
601
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Oh! It's just so glamorous.
It's wonderful. Let me at it.
602
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,920
Everything was going so well for her.
603
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,760
I came here unescorted, but I'm told
that a prince is waiting in the wings.
604
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160
[Jon] I mean, nobody has a life
like that, right?
605
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,720
We would love to have
a life like that, right?
606
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,480
But Jill had a life like that.
607
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,160
It's not! It's not. It's not.
608
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,120
[both laugh]
609
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,320
Listen, I'm…
Jill, I'm so sorry about this.
610
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,760
I… I find her death still difficult
to come to terms with.
611
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,320
-Do you mind if I whirl her away?
-Oh, you may whirl. I can't believe it.
612
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,720
[clicks tongue]
613
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,720
There you go.
614
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,280
None of that inner group of people
was responsible for Jill Dando's murder.
615
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,040
And we still didn't have an understanding
of the reason why Jill had been killed.
616
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,040
We had to properly focus down.
617
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,320
[suspenseful music playing]
618
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,000
Who was the man
who had been seen running away?
619
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Who was driving the blue Range Rover?
620
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,360
And who was the sweating man?
621
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,280
[Jeff] I knew by then
from talking to my contacts,
622
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,480
that the murder of Jill Dando caused,
you know, huge consternation
623
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,520
within the hierarchy
at Scotland Yard as well
624
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,640
because Jill Dando was perceived
as part of the policing family.
625
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840
But they were bedeviled by the fact
that they didn't have a suspect.
626
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,280
They didn't have a murder weapon.
627
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,000
[Hamish] Morning.
628
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,080
Are you any closer to knowing either
a suspect or a motive for this killing?
629
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,080
We don't know the person
who killed Jill Dando at this time
630
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,360
and we're trying to establish
a motive as to why she was killed.
631
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,240
And our main inquiry focuses
on determining the motive.
632
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Once we establish the motive, we will be
able to move forward more rapidly
633
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,840
as to who the suspect or suspects are.
634
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,960
[indistinct chatter]
635
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,440
The red-top news business
won't tolerate a vacuum, right?
636
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,960
They want information.
They've got pages to fill.
637
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,880
I could see the clouds
gathering on the horizon
638
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,240
and I knew, unless they
solved this crime really quickly,
639
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,080
it was only a short matter of time
640
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,800
before we started to become deluged
with all sorts of theories.
641
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,520
[gripping music playing]
642
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,480
[reporter] In the absence of
any obvious motive for the attack,
643
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,840
speculation, and it is only that,
focuses on a possible stalker.
644
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,920
Jill Dando had had problems
with obsessive fans in the past,
645
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120
as one close colleague recalls.
646
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,800
I don't think she was in any sense,
in fear of, certainly not in mortal fear
647
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,160
of anything happening to her.
She was irritated from time to time.
648
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,120
Uh, there had been somebody stalking her.
649
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,320
Um, I mean, to be honest,
that's really, it goes with the turf.
650
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,800
Anyone who is in the public eye,
and Jill was in the public eye
651
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,080
more than almost anybody,
um, does have certain threats.
652
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,760
We used to get all the mail
coming to our office.
653
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Some mail might be a little bit eh-eh,
654
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,760
so you had to be careful
and just take some of these letters away.
655
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,680
But they weren't threatening,
they were just, well, you know.
656
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,600
There's a lot of perverts out there.
657
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,000
But then we received a letter
from somebody claiming to be a Serb.
658
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,240
It was in relation to the appeal
659
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,040
that Jill had given
earlier that month for Kosovo.
660
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,920
This weekend we've all become aware
661
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,640
of the humanitarian crisis
facing the Balkans,
662
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,480
as thousands of people from Kosovo…
663
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,200
[Jon] The letter seemed to be
somewhat threatening.
664
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,320
Whatever you can afford can make
a big difference to these people's lives
665
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,360
and their chances of survival.
666
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,920
[Jeff] The Balkan War had been going on
in the former Yugoslavia,
667
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,480
you know, which had split
into various states,
668
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,160
you know, Serbia and Kosovo and so forth.
669
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,600
It was a very horrible war.
670
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,720
So, when it started to emerge
that her agent had a threatening letter…
671
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,640
Then the BBC started
to get threats by telephone.
672
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,960
The hair on the back of my neck stood up.
673
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,720
[male reporter 1] The murder of one of
the country's best-known TV personalities
674
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,320
has taken a frightening turn.
675
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,760
[male reporter 2] The TV center where
Jill Dando worked received a phone call.
676
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,160
It was from a man claiming to be Serbian,
677
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,680
saying he was behind the star's death.
678
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,280
[theme music playing]
679
00:44:27,752 --> 00:44:30,592
-[gripping music playing]
-[phone ringing]
680
00:44:32,392 --> 00:44:37,432
[man] Your Prime Minister Blair murdered,
butchered 17 innocent young people.
681
00:44:37,952 --> 00:44:43,872
He butchered, we butchered back.
The first one you had yesterday.
682
00:44:45,112 --> 00:44:47,272
[Bob] The day after Jill was killed,
683
00:44:47,352 --> 00:44:51,792
the BBC received calls
from what would seem to be a Serb.
684
00:44:52,432 --> 00:44:54,032
As a hard news man,
685
00:44:54,112 --> 00:44:58,032
as a man who can look for a story,
as it were, in the development of things,
686
00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:03,912
it just seemed to me that it was possible
that they had somehow got to the country
687
00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:06,472
or had sleepers in the country
to punish Britain.
688
00:45:10,632 --> 00:45:12,312
[loud explosions]
689
00:45:20,152 --> 00:45:21,152
It was horrible.
690
00:45:21,232 --> 00:45:24,032
[male reporter] In a split second,
the station's main control room
691
00:45:24,112 --> 00:45:26,952
and other technical areas
were completely destroyed.
692
00:45:27,632 --> 00:45:31,391
NATO bombed the TV station in Serbia.
693
00:45:31,471 --> 00:45:33,512
[male reporter] NATO says
that the TV station
694
00:45:33,592 --> 00:45:35,872
was the hub of Serbia's war propaganda.
695
00:45:35,952 --> 00:45:38,192
[Jon] A lot of journalists were killed.
696
00:45:38,272 --> 00:45:40,032
[people clamoring]
697
00:45:41,392 --> 00:45:43,272
[Bob] People had died in that place.
698
00:45:44,432 --> 00:45:45,592
[indistinct chatter]
699
00:45:46,152 --> 00:45:47,712
The Serbs were furious about it.
700
00:45:47,792 --> 00:45:49,032
[sobbing]
701
00:45:49,632 --> 00:45:54,312
It's not impossible somebody
who is deeply aggrieved decided,
702
00:45:54,392 --> 00:45:58,592
"We would get our own back on the country
for what you as part of NATO did to ours."
703
00:46:00,472 --> 00:46:01,552
[indistinct chatter]
704
00:46:01,632 --> 00:46:04,872
Thousands of people from Kosovo
have left their homes
705
00:46:04,952 --> 00:46:07,552
and arrived on the borders
of neighboring countries.
706
00:46:08,392 --> 00:46:13,352
Jill had fronted an appeal for Kosovan
refugees and victims of the war.
707
00:46:13,432 --> 00:46:14,592
So there was a connection.
708
00:46:14,672 --> 00:46:19,672
This is a massive exodus,
around 600,000 people are on the move.
709
00:46:20,392 --> 00:46:22,432
It was a bit scary to think that
710
00:46:22,512 --> 00:46:24,792
that might have been the motive.
711
00:46:24,872 --> 00:46:27,952
That it could have been
a Serbian war lord.
712
00:46:28,032 --> 00:46:31,192
[male reporter] We know you as a killer,
Arkan, not as a peaceful politician.
713
00:46:31,272 --> 00:46:34,272
You know it's bullshit
you're talking about.
714
00:46:34,832 --> 00:46:38,192
The Yugoslav War was very bitter
and it was a very big news story.
715
00:46:38,272 --> 00:46:42,152
As the international community loses
patience with the fighting in Bosnia,
716
00:46:42,232 --> 00:46:43,912
Radovan Karadžić, the leader of…
717
00:46:43,992 --> 00:46:48,072
[Jennie] Many of us were involved in
reporting or presenting news about that.
718
00:46:48,632 --> 00:46:51,112
As the next few days went by
719
00:46:51,192 --> 00:46:53,632
and, you know,
I approached my own front door,
720
00:46:53,712 --> 00:46:56,272
you looked over your shoulder,
you were frightened,
721
00:46:56,352 --> 00:47:00,312
because if it had been
a professionally arranged killing,
722
00:47:00,392 --> 00:47:02,152
then there was reason to be scared.
723
00:47:04,712 --> 00:47:06,712
[theme music playing]
724
00:47:06,792 --> 00:47:10,432
One of Britain's most popular television
presenters has been murdered
725
00:47:10,512 --> 00:47:12,592
in what could be a professional hit.
726
00:47:14,992 --> 00:47:19,472
The tributes here on the flowers
echo the overriding reaction of shock…
727
00:47:20,472 --> 00:47:23,392
[man 1] Even the Queen has been moved
to comment, saying she is shocked…
728
00:47:23,472 --> 00:47:26,352
[man 2] Police say there are many
possible motives for the murder.
729
00:47:26,432 --> 00:47:28,552
[man 3] …responsible for
solving so many crimes
730
00:47:28,632 --> 00:47:30,472
may have created enemies in the process.
731
00:47:30,552 --> 00:47:33,672
[woman 1] The Crimewatch presenter
may have been assassinated in retaliation
732
00:47:33,752 --> 00:47:35,592
for the NATO bombings of the Belgrade…
733
00:47:35,672 --> 00:47:37,792
[man 4] Detectives confirm that Jill Dando
734
00:47:37,872 --> 00:47:40,432
had complained of being
followed by a stalker.
735
00:47:40,512 --> 00:47:42,392
[woman 2] A man who has gone
on trial in London
736
00:47:42,472 --> 00:47:45,792
had an obsession with celebrities
and was fascinated with firearms.
737
00:47:46,592 --> 00:47:49,672
[man 5] Detectives say they're not
ruling out any line of inquiry.
738
00:47:49,752 --> 00:47:52,472
Some believe the killer may have
got away with murder.
739
00:48:03,032 --> 00:48:06,312
BBC executives feel,
in the light of Jill Dando's murder,
740
00:48:06,392 --> 00:48:09,912
they can take no unnecessary risks
with the safety of their staff.
741
00:48:09,992 --> 00:48:13,072
Police investigating Monday's killing
will also treat
742
00:48:13,152 --> 00:48:17,392
the alleged Serbian connection seriously
until it is proved otherwise.
743
00:48:17,472 --> 00:48:21,312
[Hamish] The threat to the BBC
saying that was retaliation.
744
00:48:21,392 --> 00:48:24,512
We weren't able to trace that caller
because they were anonymous.
745
00:48:25,192 --> 00:48:27,632
Then the next question
is the Serbian government?
746
00:48:28,352 --> 00:48:29,912
The Serbian state?
747
00:48:29,992 --> 00:48:34,032
An individual Serb living in London
on their own who's angry?
748
00:48:34,832 --> 00:48:38,392
We then did explore, obviously,
with security services here
749
00:48:38,472 --> 00:48:40,592
for any intelligence
or information that they had.
750
00:48:42,832 --> 00:48:45,632
That's the thing with homicide
investigations where it's,
751
00:48:45,712 --> 00:48:48,111
the suspect is unknown,
you have to be cautious.
752
00:48:48,192 --> 00:48:51,952
You cannot just
jump to a conclusion and run with that.
753
00:48:52,032 --> 00:48:53,672
[pensive music playing]
754
00:48:54,832 --> 00:48:59,552
Everyone had a theory about how
she was murdered and who was responsible.
755
00:49:00,272 --> 00:49:04,632
Criminal networks. Mafia.
Russian. Jilted lovers.
756
00:49:04,712 --> 00:49:08,032
We have a good description there
of the man who was seen running away.
757
00:49:08,992 --> 00:49:12,912
[Hamish] But the reality is,
many a stranger homicide inquiry,
758
00:49:12,992 --> 00:49:16,592
the answer lies
within the first tranche of information.
759
00:49:17,832 --> 00:49:20,872
Though I feared that there was something
and we'd missed it.
760
00:49:20,952 --> 00:49:23,632
That somewhere in the beginning
there was a message
761
00:49:23,712 --> 00:49:26,072
or information which had been overlooked.
762
00:49:29,392 --> 00:49:31,392
[gripping music playing]
763
00:49:31,472 --> 00:49:34,352
In terms of actual evidence
about the case,
764
00:49:35,272 --> 00:49:37,672
we had the traffic warden's information.
765
00:49:39,032 --> 00:49:43,312
Of her attempt to issue a parking ticket
to a blue Range Rover on Gowan Avenue.
766
00:49:43,392 --> 00:49:45,192
[dispatcher talking indistinctly]
767
00:49:45,272 --> 00:49:49,312
[Hamish] We then received information
about a blue Range Rover
768
00:49:49,392 --> 00:49:51,392
seen travelling across Putney Bridge.
769
00:49:51,472 --> 00:49:54,752
[male reporter] The blue Range Rover
in this picture was seen
770
00:49:54,832 --> 00:49:57,392
speeding through red lights
away from the murder scene.
771
00:49:57,472 --> 00:49:59,792
[Hamish] The vehicle was
driving at high speed.
772
00:49:59,872 --> 00:50:03,552
At such a speed that it's leaning over,
it joins the Fulham Palace Road.
773
00:50:03,632 --> 00:50:05,792
Approaches the traffic lights,
which are now red.
774
00:50:05,872 --> 00:50:08,952
Travels through the red lights
and goes away at speed
775
00:50:09,032 --> 00:50:10,912
south on the Fulham Palace Road.
776
00:50:12,192 --> 00:50:16,152
It was then realized those two pieces
of information were linked.
777
00:50:18,592 --> 00:50:22,272
The inquiry then focused on
Range Rovers for many months
778
00:50:22,352 --> 00:50:26,072
and plotted every Range Rover
and CCTV pictures of Range Rovers
779
00:50:26,152 --> 00:50:27,592
to try and trace them down.
780
00:50:27,672 --> 00:50:31,112
But we didn't have a number.
We just had a color and a make.
781
00:50:31,672 --> 00:50:35,152
Somehow that was going to
have to be sifted down and analyzed.
782
00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:41,752
The blue Range Rover
was a key piece of evidence.
783
00:50:41,832 --> 00:50:44,952
But it's very difficult for the police
in these circumstances.
784
00:50:45,032 --> 00:50:49,952
I mean, looking for a specific
blue Range Rover in London
785
00:50:50,032 --> 00:50:53,152
would be like looking
for a needle in a haystack.
786
00:50:55,072 --> 00:50:58,512
[Hamish] I knew it was going to be
an enormous amount of work.
787
00:51:01,752 --> 00:51:05,272
Buckingham Palace has made it clear
that Princess Diana will still be invited
788
00:51:05,352 --> 00:51:07,312
to attend some state occasions,
789
00:51:07,392 --> 00:51:11,192
but the divorce settlement will inevitably
lead to a big change in her life.
790
00:51:11,272 --> 00:51:15,792
When you're doing the news, you have to be
the person that was watching,
791
00:51:15,872 --> 00:51:19,072
so they think
you're speaking just to them.
792
00:51:19,152 --> 00:51:21,952
You have been invited
into their living room.
793
00:51:22,632 --> 00:51:24,792
Jill had that skill.
794
00:51:24,872 --> 00:51:26,712
She was very, very versatile.
795
00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:29,352
And I loved that.
She managed to cross the divide.
796
00:51:29,432 --> 00:51:31,552
This is the scene
in The Mall this evening.
797
00:51:31,632 --> 00:51:33,992
Already hundreds of people
lining the route,
798
00:51:34,072 --> 00:51:36,872
prepared for a damp,
possibly showery night,
799
00:51:36,952 --> 00:51:41,032
so that they can pay their respects
tomorrow to Diana, Princess of Wales.
800
00:51:41,112 --> 00:51:44,192
I know she was happiest
when she was interviewing people.
801
00:51:44,272 --> 00:51:48,032
Not politicians, but just ordinary people.
I know she loved that.
802
00:51:48,112 --> 00:51:50,312
What did Diana mean to you?
803
00:51:50,392 --> 00:51:52,392
She was kind
and she did a lot for other people.
804
00:51:52,472 --> 00:51:55,712
[Anastasia] Some of the cleverest
journalists in the room couldn't do that.
805
00:51:55,792 --> 00:51:59,032
They didn't have what she had,
that magic touch.
806
00:51:59,112 --> 00:52:02,032
[Jon] When I took her on,
she was already incredibly well-known,
807
00:52:02,112 --> 00:52:04,592
but she needed other programs to do.
808
00:52:04,672 --> 00:52:07,472
And then along came Crimewatch.
809
00:52:07,552 --> 00:52:09,152
[Crimewatch theme music playing]
810
00:52:12,232 --> 00:52:14,592
First tonight, a reconstruction
of a truly sad…
811
00:52:14,672 --> 00:52:16,232
[Jon] Jill just jumped at the chance.
812
00:52:16,312 --> 00:52:18,192
…in which a young man became a killer.
813
00:52:18,272 --> 00:52:20,192
I didn't want her to go to the program.
814
00:52:20,272 --> 00:52:24,192
I'd said to her when she was offered it,
[inhales sharply] "Don't like it."
815
00:52:24,272 --> 00:52:27,872
Do please call if you know anything,
this man must be stopped.
816
00:52:27,952 --> 00:52:30,112
I don't want you being in a place
817
00:52:30,192 --> 00:52:33,832
where you're reporting nasty events
that happen to people.
818
00:52:33,912 --> 00:52:36,392
[Jill] It's public service
broadcasting at its best.
819
00:52:36,472 --> 00:52:38,232
Crimewatch has results.
820
00:52:38,312 --> 00:52:41,472
People might consider you to be a target
821
00:52:41,552 --> 00:52:44,472
as a result of what
the program does to criminals
822
00:52:44,552 --> 00:52:46,832
apprehended as a result of its work
823
00:52:46,912 --> 00:52:48,792
and found themselves in prison.
824
00:52:48,872 --> 00:52:51,592
I regarded that as a threat
and I said that to her.
825
00:52:51,672 --> 00:52:53,512
[foreboding music playing]
826
00:52:54,792 --> 00:52:56,432
[distant siren wailing]
827
00:53:03,311 --> 00:53:05,232
[journalist] Takes a certain
sort of person,
828
00:53:05,951 --> 00:53:08,272
brutal, sadistic psychopath
829
00:53:08,992 --> 00:53:11,352
to walk up behind a woman
in broad daylight
830
00:53:12,032 --> 00:53:13,672
and shoot a gun into her head.
831
00:53:13,752 --> 00:53:17,352
I mean, that is not something
you do lightly. I've done horrible things.
832
00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:19,832
I've got 68 previous convictions.
833
00:53:19,912 --> 00:53:20,872
[tires screeching]
834
00:53:20,952 --> 00:53:22,632
But I couldn't do that.
835
00:53:23,872 --> 00:53:25,672
But I tried a bit of everything.
836
00:53:25,752 --> 00:53:30,112
Theft, stealing cars, selling drugs.
Whatever was criminal I would do.
837
00:53:30,192 --> 00:53:32,752
I was a dyed-in-the-wool,
24-hours-a-day criminal.
838
00:53:36,792 --> 00:53:40,832
In 1998, I was actually on remand
in Belmarsh Prison,
839
00:53:40,912 --> 00:53:44,672
uh, waiting to go up to the Old Bailey
on multiple charges of armed robbery.
840
00:53:44,752 --> 00:53:48,112
[reporter] Police have confirmed that
the BBC television presenter Jill Dando…
841
00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:50,072
[Noel] When Jill Dando was shot,
842
00:53:50,632 --> 00:53:54,312
a lot of criminals, I have to say,
at the time, they sort of went, "Yeah,"
843
00:53:54,392 --> 00:53:58,792
because Jill Dando was on Crimewatch UK,
and a lot of them had ended up in prison
844
00:53:58,872 --> 00:54:01,952
down to, you know,
stuff they had on Crimewatch.
845
00:54:02,032 --> 00:54:05,032
[Jill] An attempt to pervert the course
of justice on a major scale.
846
00:54:05,112 --> 00:54:06,232
An organized gang…
847
00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:10,952
It's quite possible that it was one
of those who actually done Jill Dando.
848
00:54:11,952 --> 00:54:15,632
I thought it was a professional.
The way it was done, it was professional.
849
00:54:15,712 --> 00:54:19,352
Because, if in the '80s and '90s,
the way every hit was carried out
850
00:54:19,432 --> 00:54:21,672
was in broad daylight out in the street.
851
00:54:21,752 --> 00:54:24,992
You want a place where people
are not expecting you to do it.
852
00:54:25,072 --> 00:54:27,152
If you're walking in your door in the day
853
00:54:27,232 --> 00:54:30,432
or you're walking down the high street,
you're not on alert.
854
00:54:32,072 --> 00:54:37,072
The chances of catching a professional
who works in that way are slim to none.
855
00:54:40,872 --> 00:54:42,592
[gripping music playing]
856
00:54:50,032 --> 00:54:53,032
[Nick Ross] Ever since Crimewatch started,
we've closed by saying,
857
00:54:53,112 --> 00:54:55,472
"Don't have nightmares, do sleep well."
858
00:54:55,552 --> 00:54:57,152
And given Jill Dando's murder,
859
00:54:57,232 --> 00:54:59,992
you might think
any reassurances sound hollow tonight.
860
00:55:00,072 --> 00:55:01,392
It was almost inevitable
861
00:55:02,232 --> 00:55:06,392
that we would do an appeal
on Crimewatch to explain the case
862
00:55:06,472 --> 00:55:09,872
and seek witnesses
and appeal for information.
863
00:55:09,952 --> 00:55:15,152
This is a somber and, for me,
a surreal Crimewatch UK.
864
00:55:15,232 --> 00:55:19,512
I remember watching
the Crimewatch on Jill's murder.
865
00:55:20,352 --> 00:55:23,472
[Nick] It's been almost unbearable
dealing with Jill's death.
866
00:55:23,552 --> 00:55:26,632
But this program was her passion.
867
00:55:26,712 --> 00:55:31,032
And now, as Jill helped others,
we hope we can do the same for her.
868
00:55:31,112 --> 00:55:37,952
Seeing Nick Ross, I was struck
by how professionally he handled it.
869
00:55:39,072 --> 00:55:41,112
[woman] Getting towards the end
of Gowan Avenue,
870
00:55:41,192 --> 00:55:42,712
on the Fulham Palace Road end,
871
00:55:42,792 --> 00:55:46,512
I was conscious that somebody
was sitting on my tail, as it were.
872
00:55:46,592 --> 00:55:48,352
[Hamish] The principle of Crimewatch…
873
00:55:48,432 --> 00:55:49,432
[woman] Hurrying me.
874
00:55:49,512 --> 00:55:51,792
…was to ask the public about evidence.
875
00:55:51,872 --> 00:55:54,632
[woman] I had got the impression there was
more than one person…
876
00:55:54,712 --> 00:55:57,992
Who owns this car? Who is this photograph?
Where is this person?
877
00:55:58,072 --> 00:56:01,432
[Hamish on TV] There were several
sightings of a blue Range Rover…
878
00:56:01,512 --> 00:56:05,552
So, we then released information
about a blue Range Rover
879
00:56:05,632 --> 00:56:08,152
and hopefully someone can
give us information.
880
00:56:08,232 --> 00:56:12,032
[Hamish on TV] Were you driving around
that area on the 26th of April?
881
00:56:12,112 --> 00:56:14,392
Ring us, tell us where you were
on that day,
882
00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:17,192
which Range Rover you were driving
and where you were.
883
00:56:17,992 --> 00:56:20,472
[Jane] Once they factored in
the blue Range Rover,
884
00:56:20,552 --> 00:56:23,752
there was talks maybe
of an accomplice who'd followed Jill.
885
00:56:24,632 --> 00:56:29,032
I do actually think the Range Rover
sort of symbolized professional hit,
886
00:56:29,112 --> 00:56:30,992
gangland, criminal world.
887
00:56:31,072 --> 00:56:34,472
More than one person escaping
from the scene fast.
888
00:56:34,552 --> 00:56:35,792
It's a free call number.
889
00:56:35,872 --> 00:56:38,272
So Nick Ross asked
if the public could help.
890
00:56:38,352 --> 00:56:40,832
Please call if you can
identify any of those…
891
00:56:40,912 --> 00:56:43,752
[Ian] Hundreds of calls are coming in.
892
00:56:44,872 --> 00:56:46,872
[man] I'm calling about
the Jill Dando murder.
893
00:56:46,952 --> 00:56:49,752
Members of the public,
other police forces.
894
00:56:49,832 --> 00:56:53,512
Basically, everyone seemed
to have information
895
00:56:53,592 --> 00:56:57,632
about a vehicle being very close
to the scene at the time of the murder.
896
00:56:59,232 --> 00:57:01,432
[man] Hi, I've got information
about Jill Dando.
897
00:57:01,512 --> 00:57:03,992
[Hamish] Seemed everybody
drove blue Range Rovers.
898
00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:05,792
[woman] I've got information about Jill…
899
00:57:09,512 --> 00:57:11,072
[Hamish] So it was a long shot.
900
00:57:11,152 --> 00:57:12,192
[gripping music playing]
901
00:57:12,272 --> 00:57:14,392
But then there was one phone call
902
00:57:15,952 --> 00:57:17,432
that was quite interesting.
903
00:57:18,792 --> 00:57:22,672
An informant says,
"I know who killed Jill Dando
904
00:57:22,752 --> 00:57:25,192
and here are the names
of the individuals."
905
00:57:27,992 --> 00:57:31,112
That particular informant
appeared plausible.
906
00:57:32,512 --> 00:57:33,952
He was known as Mr. James.
907
00:57:39,632 --> 00:57:43,832
The information
James was giving us was showing
908
00:57:43,912 --> 00:57:46,672
that the people
behind the murder of Jill Dando
909
00:57:47,512 --> 00:57:49,832
were active criminals.
910
00:57:49,912 --> 00:57:52,232
They were a higher-level drugs group.
911
00:57:59,552 --> 00:58:02,312
I and another officer
arranged to meet him.
912
00:58:03,192 --> 00:58:05,312
[suspenseful music playing]
913
00:58:05,392 --> 00:58:07,872
That conversation was covertly recorded.
914
00:58:15,352 --> 00:58:19,512
And he was questioned at length
by me to understand how it is
915
00:58:20,752 --> 00:58:24,872
his claim that he knew
who had killed Jill Dando could be true.
916
00:58:26,712 --> 00:58:30,912
And he gave an account
and a story of a Range Rover.
917
00:58:30,992 --> 00:58:32,672
[camera shutter clicking]
918
00:58:34,232 --> 00:58:38,592
And the account and detail he was giving
was sufficient for us to say,
919
00:58:38,672 --> 00:58:41,032
well, we need to look
at this criminal network.
920
00:58:42,352 --> 00:58:44,192
So they were followed.
921
00:58:44,272 --> 00:58:47,512
And we used a range
of police tactics and operations
922
00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:51,192
to try to understand
where they were going,
923
00:58:51,272 --> 00:58:54,472
what they were doing, and seeking to hear
what they were saying.
924
00:58:54,552 --> 00:58:56,272
[indistinct radio chatter]
925
00:59:02,872 --> 00:59:04,472
[gripping music playing]
926
00:59:06,232 --> 00:59:10,472
[Jane] Initially we felt it was
going to be solved very quickly.
927
00:59:10,552 --> 00:59:13,512
And then it, just suddenly,
a whole summer went by.
928
00:59:13,592 --> 00:59:14,752
It went very quiet.
929
00:59:14,832 --> 00:59:17,712
[male reporter 1] The street where
Jill Dando lived and died.
930
00:59:17,792 --> 00:59:21,832
The media circus has gone,
but people are still coming to terms
931
00:59:21,912 --> 00:59:24,552
with one of the most bizarre murders
ever committed.
932
00:59:24,632 --> 00:59:27,552
The shooting of Miss Dando
remains a mystery.
933
00:59:27,632 --> 00:59:31,392
A crime many here in Britain,
where gun violence is so rare,
934
00:59:31,472 --> 00:59:33,512
still find incomprehensible.
935
00:59:33,592 --> 00:59:35,712
[male reporter 2] After a promising start,
936
00:59:35,792 --> 00:59:38,432
progress appears,
from the outside, to be slow.
937
00:59:38,512 --> 00:59:41,432
[male officer] If there's anything
that jogs your memory,
938
00:59:41,512 --> 00:59:42,672
give the number a ring.
939
00:59:42,752 --> 00:59:44,272
[imperceptible]
940
00:59:45,872 --> 00:59:49,232
The press, people like me,
we want developments.
941
00:59:49,312 --> 00:59:52,952
News executives coming to me and saying,
"Why haven't they solved this job?"
942
00:59:53,872 --> 00:59:56,672
[Hamish] We were working on
certain lines of inquiry.
943
00:59:58,072 --> 01:00:01,312
But we don't have to give
all the details all the time.
944
01:00:01,872 --> 01:00:04,392
It was almost like tumbleweed, nothing.
945
01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:09,792
And then we were all thinking,
well, are the police onto somebody?
946
01:00:10,272 --> 01:00:12,912
Is there some sort of dynamite
piece of information
947
01:00:12,992 --> 01:00:16,032
they're about to come out with
that we don't know about?
948
01:00:19,352 --> 01:00:22,352
[Hamish] After many months
and much investment,
949
01:00:22,432 --> 01:00:26,552
it turned out
the informant James was lying.
950
01:00:27,472 --> 01:00:33,272
And it became clear that he was seeking
to blame others for Jill Dando's murder,
951
01:00:33,352 --> 01:00:36,392
hoping that they
would be arrested to release him
952
01:00:36,472 --> 01:00:39,152
from the pressure
he was under in his own drugs work.
953
01:00:40,512 --> 01:00:41,632
We didn't have proof
954
01:00:41,712 --> 01:00:44,192
the Range Rover
was even involved in the shooting.
955
01:00:46,552 --> 01:00:49,752
The sea around here is ideal
for snorkeling and scuba diving.
956
01:00:49,832 --> 01:00:52,192
But here's something which
involves neither swimming
957
01:00:52,272 --> 01:00:53,632
nor getting your hair wet.
958
01:00:53,712 --> 01:00:57,312
I'm going walking on the sea bed
with one of these.
959
01:00:57,392 --> 01:01:02,352
I thought it would be a sure-fire, quick
investigation and they'd find somebody. I…
960
01:01:03,632 --> 01:01:07,112
I was just left reading the papers
like everyone else.
961
01:01:07,712 --> 01:01:12,632
Thinking, "God,
she had it all ahead of her."
962
01:01:13,992 --> 01:01:15,232
Just so wasted.
963
01:01:15,312 --> 01:01:18,912
It's just, uh… wasted.
964
01:01:18,992 --> 01:01:20,712
[audience cheering, applauding]
965
01:01:22,192 --> 01:01:25,192
[Martyn] I think her career
was really not even halfway.
966
01:01:25,272 --> 01:01:28,232
Just, um, tragic to have that taken away
967
01:01:28,312 --> 01:01:32,912
so, uh, brutally, um,
and without explanation.
968
01:01:32,991 --> 01:01:35,712
-[laughing] No, I don't believe this.
-[man laughs]
969
01:01:35,792 --> 01:01:39,432
[Nigel] What you saw on the screen
was Jill in her element.
970
01:01:39,511 --> 01:01:41,392
Jill Dando, this is your life.
971
01:01:41,471 --> 01:01:42,872
[nostalgic music playing]
972
01:01:42,952 --> 01:01:46,632
Thoroughly enjoying herself,
uh, and just wishing
973
01:01:46,712 --> 01:01:49,511
that the members of her audience
were there with her,
974
01:01:49,592 --> 01:01:51,392
having as good a time as she was.
975
01:01:51,471 --> 01:01:53,112
[chuckles] It's cold.
976
01:01:53,991 --> 01:01:57,912
[Nigel] I hate to say this expression,
but she was the nation's sweetheart.
977
01:01:57,992 --> 01:02:02,472
I was very pleased for her
because she'd done tremendously well
978
01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:04,592
from humble beginnings.
979
01:02:04,672 --> 01:02:07,152
Who knows what would have happened?
I don't know.
980
01:02:07,232 --> 01:02:09,552
I put my absolute trust
in the police to do it.
981
01:02:09,632 --> 01:02:11,592
How else was it going to be solved?
982
01:02:12,872 --> 01:02:14,712
[gripping music playing]
983
01:02:17,872 --> 01:02:22,792
We wanted to put Jill on the front pages,
but it started to go quiet.
984
01:02:22,872 --> 01:02:26,232
The family, well, that story kept
in the newspapers,
985
01:02:26,312 --> 01:02:28,752
because as long as you keep
the story alive,
986
01:02:28,832 --> 01:02:31,832
you keep the investigation alive.
987
01:02:33,632 --> 01:02:36,632
[Nigel] I had conversations with Hamish
988
01:02:36,712 --> 01:02:39,632
who said that they were following
these lines of inquiry.
989
01:02:40,632 --> 01:02:43,552
But essentially
they were just drawing blanks.
990
01:02:45,152 --> 01:02:46,152
[indistinct chatter]
991
01:02:46,232 --> 01:02:49,072
[male reporter]
With no immediate prospect of an arrest,
992
01:02:49,152 --> 01:02:52,592
detectives are increasingly under pressure
to come up with a result.
993
01:02:52,672 --> 01:02:55,392
I couldn't understand
how there hadn't been an arrest.
994
01:02:55,472 --> 01:03:01,072
Most famous TV personality,
all the resources and no one was arrested.
995
01:03:05,032 --> 01:03:08,192
[Hamish] It generated thousands
of pieces of information.
996
01:03:08,752 --> 01:03:15,192
It was relentless, eliminating suspects
and closing down lines of inquiry.
997
01:03:15,872 --> 01:03:21,392
But we had not identified
all these witnesses in Gowan Avenue.
998
01:03:22,192 --> 01:03:23,912
Who was it they were seeing?
999
01:03:25,072 --> 01:03:29,632
The great majority of witnesses
cannot recall the human face sufficiently
1000
01:03:29,712 --> 01:03:32,672
for an artist to then recreate that face.
1001
01:03:32,752 --> 01:03:33,752
[imperceptible]
1002
01:03:33,832 --> 01:03:37,192
But there were four people
from the witnesses
1003
01:03:37,952 --> 01:03:39,512
who believed they could do.
1004
01:03:40,392 --> 01:03:43,912
One of them had witnessed
a man in the Fulham Road…
1005
01:03:46,152 --> 01:03:49,312
running across the road
and he stood at the bus stop.
1006
01:03:50,912 --> 01:03:55,032
That witness was able to describe him
sufficiently for an e-fit to be drawn.
1007
01:03:55,112 --> 01:04:00,232
And the e-fit was the one we produced
or showed at the press conference.
1008
01:04:00,312 --> 01:04:01,912
[people chattering]
1009
01:04:01,992 --> 01:04:03,912
We didn't have all the answers.
1010
01:04:03,992 --> 01:04:08,432
I sensed a concern and nervousness
from everybody above me.
1011
01:04:09,072 --> 01:04:13,352
And the media, swirling around
with so many ideas and thoughts.
1012
01:04:14,272 --> 01:04:15,672
That had to be managed.
1013
01:04:15,752 --> 01:04:18,192
-[camera shutters clicking]
-[indistinct chatter]
1014
01:04:18,272 --> 01:04:21,112
[male reporter] Four days
after the murder of Jill Dando,
1015
01:04:21,192 --> 01:04:23,992
the police released
this computer-generated picture
1016
01:04:24,072 --> 01:04:26,832
of the man they're treating
as their number one suspect.
1017
01:04:26,912 --> 01:04:29,112
He was seen by several witnesses,
1018
01:04:29,192 --> 01:04:33,032
the last time standing by this
bus stop in Fulham Palace Road
1019
01:04:33,112 --> 01:04:35,472
just after Jill Dando was shot.
1020
01:04:35,552 --> 01:04:37,632
This was very, very significant indeed.
1021
01:04:38,832 --> 01:04:42,752
We felt that the police would not be
putting out an e-fit of somebody
1022
01:04:42,832 --> 01:04:46,472
they thought was only
a marginal person of interest.
1023
01:04:46,552 --> 01:04:49,392
This was seen as a very significant event.
1024
01:04:50,032 --> 01:04:52,272
If he is really the killer of Jill Dando…
1025
01:04:52,352 --> 01:04:53,192
[clamoring]
1026
01:04:53,272 --> 01:04:54,672
…we have to find this man.
1027
01:04:55,672 --> 01:04:57,672
[male reporter]
At Putney Bridge tube station,
1028
01:04:57,752 --> 01:05:00,312
security camera video
is also being examined
1029
01:05:00,392 --> 01:05:02,232
in case it has captured her killer.
1030
01:05:03,032 --> 01:05:05,792
A killer who, it was said,
may have been a hit man,
1031
01:05:05,872 --> 01:05:08,072
but uses a bus for his getaway.
1032
01:05:08,152 --> 01:05:09,472
[imperceptible]
1033
01:05:09,552 --> 01:05:10,912
[Jeff] We made a lot of inquiries.
1034
01:05:10,992 --> 01:05:14,992
You know, Daily Mirror reporters went
to the area of this bus stop,
1035
01:05:15,072 --> 01:05:18,672
knocked on doors, tried to find anybody
who might have seen anything.
1036
01:05:19,192 --> 01:05:22,552
But nobody that we found had seen
anybody who looked like this e-fit
1037
01:05:22,632 --> 01:05:25,752
and certainly nobody came forward
to us to tell us,
1038
01:05:25,832 --> 01:05:28,992
you know, any follow-up information
that might be significant.
1039
01:05:29,072 --> 01:05:31,312
[camera shutters clicking]
1040
01:05:31,392 --> 01:05:32,872
My next logical thought was,
1041
01:05:32,952 --> 01:05:36,592
well, you know, most London buses have,
you know, CCTV on board.
1042
01:05:36,672 --> 01:05:38,232
That'll be key for the police.
1043
01:05:38,952 --> 01:05:42,112
All they've got to do
is contact London Transport,
1044
01:05:42,192 --> 01:05:44,632
find out all the buses
that were within one hour
1045
01:05:44,712 --> 01:05:46,712
each side of that sighting of that man,
1046
01:05:46,792 --> 01:05:50,392
and there you are, you should have
your sweating man at the bus stop.
1047
01:05:53,912 --> 01:05:55,672
[suspenseful music playing]
1048
01:05:56,192 --> 01:05:59,352
[Hamish] I sent officers to Fulham
to see if there was any CCTV.
1049
01:06:02,752 --> 01:06:06,032
You know, maybe they were overwhelmed
with more pressing tasks,
1050
01:06:06,112 --> 01:06:10,832
but by the time they put that request in
to view the tapes, they were wiped.
1051
01:06:12,712 --> 01:06:14,192
It was a missed opportunity.
1052
01:06:14,272 --> 01:06:16,272
[tense music playing]
1053
01:06:20,552 --> 01:06:23,352
[Hamish] There were only 16 detectives
on my murder team
1054
01:06:23,432 --> 01:06:25,272
at the start of that investigation.
1055
01:06:25,832 --> 01:06:29,792
Sixteen people were never going
to complete what I needed completing.
1056
01:06:37,192 --> 01:06:42,512
By putting out the e-fit, we told
millions and millions of people
1057
01:06:42,592 --> 01:06:46,432
about a man at a bus stop,
hoping that the public could help.
1058
01:06:46,512 --> 01:06:47,672
Who is this man?
1059
01:06:47,752 --> 01:06:50,192
We ask if he has nothing to do
with this investigation
1060
01:06:50,272 --> 01:06:52,032
to come forward and eliminate himself.
1061
01:06:52,112 --> 01:06:54,152
[male reporter] The main suspect
is a white male
1062
01:06:54,232 --> 01:06:56,912
wearing a dark suit
with neatly cut brown hair.
1063
01:06:56,992 --> 01:06:59,432
He's between 35 and 40 years old…
1064
01:06:59,512 --> 01:07:02,992
Some of this information may have
jogged someone's memory.
1065
01:07:03,072 --> 01:07:05,592
If so, they should contact
the police immediately.
1066
01:07:07,752 --> 01:07:10,072
[phone ringing]
1067
01:07:10,152 --> 01:07:12,152
[Hamish] A man phoned the inquiry room
1068
01:07:13,272 --> 01:07:16,072
and stated that he looked like the e-fit.
1069
01:07:17,032 --> 01:07:20,472
He didn't say that
he was responsible for killing Jill,
1070
01:07:20,552 --> 01:07:22,872
but he placed himself at the crime scene.
1071
01:07:23,792 --> 01:07:26,152
So he was a person of interest.
1072
01:07:33,632 --> 01:07:35,832
-Am I allowed to mention his name?
-[man] Yep.
1073
01:07:35,912 --> 01:07:38,752
[Charlie] Shackleton,
he was a strange character.
1074
01:07:39,272 --> 01:07:42,472
He had a blue-lighted ambulance
as his mode of transport.
1075
01:07:42,552 --> 01:07:44,632
[suspenseful music playing]
1076
01:07:47,912 --> 01:07:49,592
[Hamish] He was a giant of a man.
1077
01:07:51,072 --> 01:07:53,752
He was an undertaker
and he drove a hearse.
1078
01:07:56,392 --> 01:07:58,632
Shackleton had said
that he was in the park
1079
01:07:58,712 --> 01:08:01,472
and he'd run out of the park
because he was being chased by a man,
1080
01:08:01,552 --> 01:08:03,192
and he went to the bus stop.
1081
01:08:06,232 --> 01:08:11,152
That was important at that stage
because we thought the sweating man,
1082
01:08:11,232 --> 01:08:14,192
e-fit person was of some importance.
1083
01:08:14,272 --> 01:08:16,432
So here was a man claiming to be that.
1084
01:08:18,712 --> 01:08:21,312
Because he was making those claims
1085
01:08:21,392 --> 01:08:24,872
and we couldn't address the problem
without interviewing him,
1086
01:08:24,952 --> 01:08:29,592
he was arrested and a search
was conducted of his house.
1087
01:08:32,592 --> 01:08:37,992
This arrest just looked like
a dynamite piece of development.
1088
01:08:38,952 --> 01:08:42,752
We all thought, "Is this it?
Is this going to be the evidence we need?"
1089
01:08:42,832 --> 01:08:44,472
[suspenseful music playing]
1090
01:08:44,552 --> 01:08:46,552
[Charlie] I searched his home address.
1091
01:08:47,112 --> 01:08:48,752
There was a coffin in the house.
1092
01:08:51,632 --> 01:08:53,512
[Hamish] There were some photographs,
1093
01:08:53,592 --> 01:08:55,352
there was a map of the Fulham area
1094
01:08:55,432 --> 01:08:58,272
and some BBC material, I think a letter.
1095
01:09:02,552 --> 01:09:04,112
[intriguing music playing]
1096
01:09:04,192 --> 01:09:06,992
[Jane] James Shackleton
was quite a character.
1097
01:09:08,832 --> 01:09:11,232
[male reporter]
The Shepherd's Bush undertaker,
1098
01:09:11,312 --> 01:09:13,352
who specialized in DSS funerals…
1099
01:09:14,392 --> 01:09:16,552
[James] I'm making a baby's coffin.
1100
01:09:16,632 --> 01:09:19,872
In fact, I've got to make two,
one here and one there.
1101
01:09:19,952 --> 01:09:25,432
He said he was in the area
collecting wood to make coffins.
1102
01:09:25,512 --> 01:09:27,152
So, I mean, who does that?
1103
01:09:28,752 --> 01:09:32,712
[James] They said that I had
a fascination for Jill Dando
1104
01:09:32,792 --> 01:09:34,992
and I was stalking her and all that stuff.
1105
01:09:35,072 --> 01:09:37,712
I said, "You're barking up
the wrong tree, mate."
1106
01:09:37,792 --> 01:09:40,992
I said, "Well, I'm gay myself."
Uh, I said, "I don't, um…"
1107
01:09:41,712 --> 01:09:46,112
I said, "But as for your DC,
[laughing] well, he's more my cup of tea,"
1108
01:09:46,192 --> 01:09:47,312
sort of thing.
1109
01:09:48,552 --> 01:09:50,472
[Jane] He was a bit of a fantasist.
1110
01:09:50,552 --> 01:09:55,232
He'd sort of fashioned himself
as a member of the aristocracy,
1111
01:09:55,312 --> 01:09:57,632
uh, bogusly, I might add.
1112
01:09:59,312 --> 01:10:01,952
I was sweating and out of breath,
as you can imagine,
1113
01:10:02,032 --> 01:10:03,952
I'd just done half a marathon.
1114
01:10:04,032 --> 01:10:08,592
Mr. Shackleton was identified
as somebody who was a liar.
1115
01:10:09,232 --> 01:10:13,552
Had previously thought to involve himself
in other murder investigations.
1116
01:10:15,472 --> 01:10:19,432
He was bailed out of the police station
and then eliminated from the inquiry.
1117
01:10:19,992 --> 01:10:23,752
Well, I can confirm that,
uh, I was certainly not the man
1118
01:10:23,832 --> 01:10:26,512
responsible for Jill Dando's death.
1119
01:10:26,592 --> 01:10:29,272
[on TV] I probably
do look a bit like the e-fit.
1120
01:10:29,352 --> 01:10:31,312
It's dragged on a bit now, hasn't it?
1121
01:10:31,392 --> 01:10:33,592
And they are grasping at straws.
1122
01:10:36,712 --> 01:10:39,112
[Ian] Clearly, one of the mistakes
made in the inquiry
1123
01:10:39,192 --> 01:10:42,552
was the publication of the e-fit.
1124
01:10:46,952 --> 01:10:50,552
The publication of the picture led
to a lot of additional
1125
01:10:50,632 --> 01:10:53,152
and, to be honest, unnecessary, work
1126
01:10:53,232 --> 01:10:57,632
with people phoning in to say
that this looks like so-and-so.
1127
01:10:59,752 --> 01:11:04,192
If today you google Jill Dando
e-fit suspect…
1128
01:11:04,272 --> 01:11:08,672
This man is the one outside Jill Dando's
house on the mobile phone.
1129
01:11:09,232 --> 01:11:13,872
…a picture will come up
of someone that was never a suspect.
1130
01:11:15,032 --> 01:11:17,472
It was a poor choice to release the e-fit
1131
01:11:17,552 --> 01:11:20,632
because it distracted
the inquiry for many months.
1132
01:11:20,712 --> 01:11:25,792
But the media pressure was so great
that there were some from our press office
1133
01:11:25,872 --> 01:11:28,632
and other senior officers and suggestions,
1134
01:11:28,712 --> 01:11:31,592
just give them something,
let's put this out.
1135
01:11:31,672 --> 01:11:33,832
And I think that was an error.
1136
01:11:35,232 --> 01:11:38,912
My private thinking was,
we were heading in the right direction.
1137
01:11:39,512 --> 01:11:43,832
Jill Dando's murder
was the work of some loner.
1138
01:11:47,432 --> 01:11:53,752
[crowd] Eight, seven, six, five,
four, three, two, one.
1139
01:11:53,832 --> 01:11:55,392
[crowd cheering]
1140
01:11:55,472 --> 01:11:57,432
-[clock chiming]
-[firecrackers bursting]
1141
01:11:58,192 --> 01:11:59,992
[Nigel] It was the dawn
of a new millennium,
1142
01:12:00,072 --> 01:12:02,272
and we still had
the shadow hanging over us
1143
01:12:02,352 --> 01:12:05,312
that, uh, Jill's killer still
hadn't been caught.
1144
01:12:05,392 --> 01:12:09,472
And that you knew that the longer
this police inquiry went on,
1145
01:12:09,552 --> 01:12:13,152
the more likely it was that whoever
killed Jill would get away with it.
1146
01:12:13,232 --> 01:12:15,392
[gripping music playing]
1147
01:12:17,392 --> 01:12:22,432
[Jane] The police, who desperately wanted
to solve this crime, were at a standstill.
1148
01:12:23,312 --> 01:12:26,712
Many investigations take a lot
more than 12 months, two years,
1149
01:12:26,792 --> 01:12:29,032
and if that's the way it is,
then that's the way it is.
1150
01:12:30,112 --> 01:12:33,192
[Jane] There comes a point
in any police investigation,
1151
01:12:33,272 --> 01:12:36,472
and in particularly
the case of Jill Dando,
1152
01:12:36,552 --> 01:12:40,432
that a certain amount of frustration
starts to creep in.
1153
01:12:41,072 --> 01:12:43,472
Already they'd looked
at Jill's personal life,
1154
01:12:43,552 --> 01:12:45,072
that had been ruled out.
1155
01:12:45,152 --> 01:12:48,032
They'd looked at
all the multiple sightings.
1156
01:12:48,112 --> 01:12:51,432
They'd eliminated multiple Range Rovers.
1157
01:12:51,512 --> 01:12:54,272
They'd spent hundreds of thousands
on surveillance,
1158
01:12:54,352 --> 01:12:57,872
and the Serbian connection
seemed to have dried up.
1159
01:12:57,952 --> 01:12:59,192
We were nowhere.
1160
01:13:00,552 --> 01:13:03,472
[Hamish] I was thinking, "Well,
where do we go from now?"
1161
01:13:04,232 --> 01:13:07,552
Well, we're gonna have to go back
to the beginning, really.
1162
01:13:07,632 --> 01:13:13,552
A belief that an answer sometimes lies
in the system, but we've already missed.
1163
01:13:13,632 --> 01:13:15,832
[keyboard clacking]
1164
01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:20,952
It was my role to go through
all the information
1165
01:13:21,032 --> 01:13:27,112
that was on the system to identify
those messages that needed a follow-up.
1166
01:13:27,192 --> 01:13:29,472
[gripping music playing]
1167
01:13:32,032 --> 01:13:34,632
[man] There's a man
who lives on Crookham Road.
1168
01:13:34,712 --> 01:13:36,032
Quite tall, about 5'11".
1169
01:13:37,032 --> 01:13:40,072
[woman] A man with mental health problems
visited our center.
1170
01:13:40,152 --> 01:13:42,912
He's around 39 years old
with short dark hair.
1171
01:13:42,992 --> 01:13:46,832
[Ian] There were thousands of people
who hadn't, at that time,
1172
01:13:46,912 --> 01:13:49,272
been eliminated from the inquiry.
1173
01:13:49,352 --> 01:13:53,192
I managed to get this down
to a few hundred.
1174
01:13:54,512 --> 01:13:55,992
[man] How long did that take?
1175
01:13:56,592 --> 01:13:57,832
Fucking ages.
1176
01:13:57,912 --> 01:13:59,272
[chuckles] Um…
1177
01:13:59,352 --> 01:14:00,392
[gripping music playing]
1178
01:14:00,472 --> 01:14:02,512
[female reporter]
Despite the huge police operation,
1179
01:14:02,592 --> 01:14:04,312
there's no sign of a breakthrough.
1180
01:14:04,392 --> 01:14:07,112
The reward for information leading
to the murderer has now risen
1181
01:14:07,192 --> 01:14:09,312
to a quarter of a million pounds.
1182
01:14:11,272 --> 01:14:13,832
[Jane] It was the biggest reward
in criminal history
1183
01:14:13,912 --> 01:14:15,312
in this country at the time.
1184
01:14:15,392 --> 01:14:20,272
It was a huge amount of money
and if that was going to persuade anybody
1185
01:14:20,352 --> 01:14:22,952
to come forward, that would have done it.
1186
01:14:23,912 --> 01:14:26,072
But there were no takers.
1187
01:14:26,152 --> 01:14:29,152
And I thought that was really significant.
1188
01:14:29,232 --> 01:14:32,592
That the most likely explanation for this
1189
01:14:32,672 --> 01:14:36,832
is only one person in the whole world
knows who did this.
1190
01:14:36,912 --> 01:14:38,632
And that's the person who did it.
1191
01:14:42,752 --> 01:14:47,632
There he is again, not a sound.
Just like being burgled, but in reverse.
1192
01:14:47,712 --> 01:14:50,512
Jill never spoke to me
about being frightened
1193
01:14:50,592 --> 01:14:52,952
or scared of anyone or anything.
1194
01:14:53,032 --> 01:14:56,672
But it is part and parcel of being
a presence on television.
1195
01:14:56,752 --> 01:15:00,272
A star as she was, you get
a lot of unwanted attention.
1196
01:15:00,352 --> 01:15:02,912
You get strange people writing to you.
1197
01:15:03,632 --> 01:15:05,552
People who are obsessed with you.
1198
01:15:06,632 --> 01:15:10,152
[Bob] People, uh,
were always interested in Jill.
1199
01:15:10,232 --> 01:15:13,072
There would have been a flood
of people writing. They really liked her.
1200
01:15:13,152 --> 01:15:15,632
Peter, it says
you're a big fan of Jill Dando.
1201
01:15:15,712 --> 01:15:17,232
-I am. She's lovely.
-She's wonderful?
1202
01:15:17,312 --> 01:15:18,992
-You got any pictures of her?
-No.
1203
01:15:19,072 --> 01:15:22,272
Well, let's get one right now.
Jill Dando, ladies and gentlemen.
1204
01:15:22,352 --> 01:15:24,112
[audience applauding]
1205
01:15:24,192 --> 01:15:26,752
[Bob] They saw her as a daughter,
but they loved her face,
1206
01:15:26,832 --> 01:15:28,832
they liked the girl next door about her,
1207
01:15:28,912 --> 01:15:31,592
how attractive she was,
how well she did her job.
1208
01:15:31,672 --> 01:15:36,552
They wrote the most affectionate letters.
Some of them actually tried to meet her.
1209
01:15:36,632 --> 01:15:40,472
Was there anybody out there who felt
that she had let them down somehow?
1210
01:15:40,552 --> 01:15:42,552
Some very strange character who thought
1211
01:15:42,632 --> 01:15:45,032
that she deserved
what later happened to her?
1212
01:15:47,992 --> 01:15:50,952
[Hamish] Another marker
that it was the work of a loner
1213
01:15:51,032 --> 01:15:53,032
was the nature of the weapon.
1214
01:15:53,912 --> 01:15:58,832
[female reporter] The weapon, a 9mm pistol
similar to this one, has never been found.
1215
01:15:58,912 --> 01:16:02,232
It's the brass casing from the bullet
recovered near her body
1216
01:16:02,312 --> 01:16:05,072
which could hold the clue
to the killer's identity.
1217
01:16:05,152 --> 01:16:08,072
Six markings have been made
by hand using one tool
1218
01:16:08,152 --> 01:16:10,112
around the top of the cartridge casing.
1219
01:16:10,832 --> 01:16:14,272
The gun was not actually
a substantive 9mm firearm.
1220
01:16:15,032 --> 01:16:18,152
It was either a reactivated weapon
you can lay your hands on
1221
01:16:18,232 --> 01:16:20,632
or a starting pistol converted.
1222
01:16:22,232 --> 01:16:27,232
The casing of the bullet
had six indentations
1223
01:16:27,312 --> 01:16:29,912
around the top part of the rim.
1224
01:16:30,752 --> 01:16:35,952
So that was crimping to hold the bullet
in the cartridge case.
1225
01:16:36,952 --> 01:16:42,312
But this was not manufactured crimping,
this was handmade.
1226
01:16:42,392 --> 01:16:45,952
Each crimp mark
was of a different level of pressure.
1227
01:16:47,232 --> 01:16:50,992
It had an element of homemade-ness to it.
1228
01:16:51,072 --> 01:16:53,112
Does anybody recognize those markings?
1229
01:16:53,192 --> 01:16:55,112
Have they handled ammunition
1230
01:16:55,192 --> 01:16:57,952
before the event or after the event
with markings like that?
1231
01:16:58,592 --> 01:17:01,872
[Hamish] We knew from the first day
from the nature of the injury to her head
1232
01:17:01,952 --> 01:17:03,672
and the muzzle mark of the gun
1233
01:17:03,752 --> 01:17:07,592
had impacted
and imprinted itself on the head
1234
01:17:07,672 --> 01:17:12,272
and there was some small bruising
on her arm, her forearm, as well.
1235
01:17:13,192 --> 01:17:16,672
That didn't strike me
as a quick assassination
1236
01:17:16,752 --> 01:17:21,232
and tried to avoid contact,
blood transference, hair transference.
1237
01:17:21,312 --> 01:17:25,792
The fact that the person
had approached Jill and touched her,
1238
01:17:25,872 --> 01:17:31,272
right into her space to kill her,
didn't indicate, for me,
1239
01:17:31,352 --> 01:17:33,632
that this was a professional execution.
1240
01:17:33,712 --> 01:17:35,712
[gripping music playing]
1241
01:17:35,792 --> 01:17:37,592
[keyboards clacking]
1242
01:17:39,752 --> 01:17:43,632
[Ian] Several of the messages that came in
in the first few days of the inquiry
1243
01:17:44,272 --> 01:17:47,752
now seem to relate to the same person.
1244
01:17:49,592 --> 01:17:51,992
[man 1] A man came in
asking if we could verify
1245
01:17:52,072 --> 01:17:54,032
that he was at a cab company yesterday.
1246
01:17:54,112 --> 01:17:57,312
He specifically asked me if I could
remember what he was wearing.
1247
01:17:57,392 --> 01:17:58,872
He lived in Crookham Road,
1248
01:17:58,952 --> 01:18:03,272
which was a very short distance
from Gowan Avenue.
1249
01:18:04,192 --> 01:18:05,912
[man 2] His name is Barry Bulsara.
1250
01:18:10,592 --> 01:18:12,272
[woman] Today, he called again,
1251
01:18:12,352 --> 01:18:15,152
asking for the exact time
he was there on Monday.
1252
01:18:15,232 --> 01:18:17,192
He said it was for his solicitor.
1253
01:18:18,672 --> 01:18:22,232
He was obviously identifying himself
1254
01:18:22,312 --> 01:18:25,872
and wanting to know his alibi
for the day of the Jill Dando murder.
1255
01:18:28,472 --> 01:18:32,792
We had started work
on the background to Bulsara
1256
01:18:32,872 --> 01:18:36,112
and it had shown
that he had got a previous conviction.
1257
01:18:36,871 --> 01:18:38,351
But that was not his real name.
1258
01:18:39,552 --> 01:18:43,112
We had been trying to find him
to take a witness statement.
1259
01:18:43,192 --> 01:18:47,912
Eventually, detectives went
to the unemployment benefit office.
1260
01:18:47,992 --> 01:18:50,871
That's where we met him
and commenced the first interview
1261
01:18:50,952 --> 01:18:52,552
and spoke with him about the matter.
1262
01:18:53,592 --> 01:18:55,112
And that man was Barry George.
1263
01:18:55,192 --> 01:18:56,712
[gripping music playing]
1264
01:18:59,032 --> 01:19:01,192
How would I describe Barry George?
1265
01:19:02,272 --> 01:19:04,672
I thought his behavior was dysfunctional.
1266
01:19:05,831 --> 01:19:11,112
He was always being someone else.
He was using personas, celebrity names.
1267
01:19:12,032 --> 01:19:14,512
Paul Gadd is the real name
of Gary Glitter.
1268
01:19:14,592 --> 01:19:16,072
[imperceptible]
1269
01:19:16,152 --> 01:19:19,272
Those names of Gadd,
Bulsara were the names
1270
01:19:19,351 --> 01:19:22,472
under which Barry George
had previously been convicted
1271
01:19:22,552 --> 01:19:24,112
and was known to the police.
1272
01:19:28,392 --> 01:19:33,392
George had received a conviction
for attempted rape in the name of Gadd.
1273
01:19:34,112 --> 01:19:37,832
And he had also received a conviction
for an indecent assault on a woman.
1274
01:19:39,472 --> 01:19:44,712
I just thought it was very interesting
to have a man living so close by
1275
01:19:44,792 --> 01:19:49,232
with the background that we had
started to understand about him
1276
01:19:49,312 --> 01:19:54,152
being the very person who was the subject
of two, three, four phone calls
1277
01:19:54,712 --> 01:19:56,752
in the first month of the murder.
1278
01:19:57,352 --> 01:20:01,432
So, authority was given to put him
under full 24-hour surveillance.
1279
01:20:01,512 --> 01:20:03,272
[intriguing music playing]
1280
01:20:07,392 --> 01:20:09,832
He did fit that category of a loner.
1281
01:20:10,912 --> 01:20:15,152
He was unemployed and he really
just wandered around.
1282
01:20:21,232 --> 01:20:23,392
He spent all his day wandering the street,
1283
01:20:23,472 --> 01:20:25,712
approaching people, approaching women.
1284
01:20:27,192 --> 01:20:29,312
If it wasn't stalking, it was following.
1285
01:20:29,392 --> 01:20:30,552
[camera shutter clicks]
1286
01:20:32,592 --> 01:20:35,872
His obsessive behavior presented
as troubling features
1287
01:20:35,952 --> 01:20:39,672
which I thought we needed
to… to move on very quickly.
1288
01:20:40,792 --> 01:20:44,072
They authorized
a search warrant of his house
1289
01:20:44,152 --> 01:20:46,752
and officers went to
the premises to search it.
1290
01:20:46,832 --> 01:20:48,712
[gripping music playing]
1291
01:20:53,152 --> 01:20:58,312
So myself and two officers
went to his home address,
1292
01:20:58,392 --> 01:20:59,992
knocked on the door repeatedly.
1293
01:21:00,072 --> 01:21:04,072
There was no answer,
so we forced the door open.
1294
01:21:11,832 --> 01:21:16,192
[officer] These sacks on the left, is that
some of the detritus from his bedroom?
1295
01:21:16,272 --> 01:21:18,032
[tense music playing]
1296
01:21:24,872 --> 01:21:27,592
[Charlie] It smelt. It was chaotic.
1297
01:21:28,472 --> 01:21:32,872
In the main bedroom,
there were black bin liners stacked up.
1298
01:21:33,472 --> 01:21:37,032
Clearly the rubbish hadn't been taken out
for a very long time, if ever.
1299
01:21:38,712 --> 01:21:40,152
[camera shutter clicking]
1300
01:21:42,672 --> 01:21:45,472
Newspapers strewn all over the room.
1301
01:21:46,112 --> 01:21:49,872
There were ants and there were all sorts
of things on the kitchen surfaces.
1302
01:21:52,392 --> 01:21:55,872
There was, uh, excrement
around the flat, piles of it.
1303
01:21:59,992 --> 01:22:03,192
If you put that scene in a movie,
you wouldn't believe it
1304
01:22:03,272 --> 01:22:06,192
because you would think,
[scoffs] "No, this is too much."
1305
01:22:06,272 --> 01:22:09,272
It… It's over exaggerated.
But it was real.
1306
01:22:13,392 --> 01:22:18,512
You've got to ask, what kind of mind
is this person that lives there?
1307
01:22:19,752 --> 01:22:20,952
[dog barking distantly]
1308
01:22:23,512 --> 01:22:27,352
We were clearly looking for firearms.
Clothing we were looking for.
1309
01:22:27,432 --> 01:22:29,792
Literature in relation to Jill Dando.
1310
01:22:29,872 --> 01:22:31,832
[camera shutter clicking rapidly]
1311
01:22:35,952 --> 01:22:37,832
We found a three-quarter length coat,
1312
01:22:37,912 --> 01:22:41,832
which was very similar to the one
that witnesses had described.
1313
01:22:43,792 --> 01:22:46,232
We found part of a gun holster.
1314
01:22:46,312 --> 01:22:49,792
We found a handwritten list of firearms.
1315
01:22:49,872 --> 01:22:52,672
We recovered a lot of undeveloped film.
1316
01:22:53,312 --> 01:22:57,472
We found a number of magazines
relating to firearms,
1317
01:22:57,552 --> 01:22:59,752
relating to martial arts.
1318
01:23:00,712 --> 01:23:03,432
News media coverage of Jill Dando.
1319
01:23:03,512 --> 01:23:05,072
[suspenseful music playing]
1320
01:23:05,992 --> 01:23:07,352
[camera shutter clicks]
1321
01:23:07,432 --> 01:23:11,912
[Hamish] It certainly presented
as very suspicious material recovered
1322
01:23:11,992 --> 01:23:15,112
from a man within half a mile
of Gowan Avenue.
1323
01:23:17,032 --> 01:23:20,872
But there was no material found
which was a direct link
1324
01:23:20,952 --> 01:23:24,312
between George and the crime scene
or the murder of Jill Dando.
1325
01:23:26,672 --> 01:23:29,872
I was really concerned that
we were going to be 100% right.
1326
01:23:29,952 --> 01:23:31,472
Because whoever we arrested
1327
01:23:32,272 --> 01:23:35,952
was going to be the subject
of such scrutiny and oversight.
1328
01:23:36,032 --> 01:23:39,152
So I was determined that
everything we did was correct.
1329
01:23:39,232 --> 01:23:43,712
It was essential to complete as much
as possible before he was arrested.
1330
01:23:47,112 --> 01:23:50,472
[Charlie] During the course
of the search of Mr. George's flat,
1331
01:23:51,872 --> 01:23:54,832
we recovered a lot of undeveloped film.
1332
01:23:55,872 --> 01:23:59,792
I took them to our photographic branch
to be developed.
1333
01:23:59,872 --> 01:24:02,152
Clearly we needed to see what was on them.
1334
01:24:04,392 --> 01:24:06,712
[Hamish] I remember looking
at all these photographs.
1335
01:24:06,792 --> 01:24:09,952
And when I looked there were just
hundreds of different women.
1336
01:24:10,032 --> 01:24:11,432
[camera shutter clicking]
1337
01:24:12,472 --> 01:24:14,032
[unsettling music playing]
1338
01:24:14,112 --> 01:24:17,352
Women in the park, women in the street.
1339
01:24:17,432 --> 01:24:19,952
A lot of them were photographs
of women from behind.
1340
01:24:20,952 --> 01:24:22,672
Some of them were from a distance.
1341
01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:28,792
One of them was also from a woman
in Gowan Avenue,
1342
01:24:28,872 --> 01:24:30,712
right next door to number 29.
1343
01:24:32,992 --> 01:24:37,952
And in amongst them
was a picture of Barry George
1344
01:24:38,032 --> 01:24:40,472
holding a handgun and wearing a gas mask.
1345
01:24:47,792 --> 01:24:51,672
That was sent back to the laboratory
for immediate analysis of it.
1346
01:24:52,552 --> 01:24:54,432
And the gun expert at the laboratory,
1347
01:24:55,152 --> 01:24:58,712
he told us that it appeared to be
1348
01:24:58,792 --> 01:25:02,592
an 8mm Bruni firing gun.
1349
01:25:03,552 --> 01:25:07,672
One of the types of firearms
that it was reported killed Jill Dando.
1350
01:25:07,752 --> 01:25:10,312
[male reporter] Police know the weapon
used in the murder
1351
01:25:10,392 --> 01:25:12,792
was a semi-automatic handgun
similar to this one.
1352
01:25:13,552 --> 01:25:16,752
[Hamish] I declared that
George was a suspect
1353
01:25:16,832 --> 01:25:18,312
for the murder of Jill Dando.
1354
01:25:18,792 --> 01:25:22,072
And the date finally settled on
was on the 25th of May
1355
01:25:22,152 --> 01:25:23,672
was the plan for his arrest.
1356
01:25:31,272 --> 01:25:34,712
[male reporter] Police hunting the killer
of the television presenter, Jill Dando,
1357
01:25:34,792 --> 01:25:37,512
have been holding a man all day
on suspicion of murder.
1358
01:25:37,592 --> 01:25:41,952
He was arrested shortly after dawn.
Detectives say it's highly significant.
1359
01:25:42,032 --> 01:25:44,272
-[interrogator] Did you kill Jill Dando?
-No, sir.
1360
01:25:45,832 --> 01:25:46,992
[sighs]
1361
01:25:48,712 --> 01:25:51,872
-[woman] A little bit of water?
-[Barry] Definitely, yeah.
1362
01:25:53,072 --> 01:25:53,912
Thank you.
1363
01:25:54,712 --> 01:25:56,592
[woman] So, Barry, are you all right?
1364
01:25:56,672 --> 01:25:58,152
-Mm-hmm.
-Feeling okay?
1365
01:25:58,832 --> 01:25:59,752
Um…
1366
01:26:00,432 --> 01:26:01,872
[breathing heavily]
1367
01:26:01,952 --> 01:26:03,952
[somber music playing]
1368
01:28:18,856 --> 01:28:20,856
[This Morning theme music playing]
1369
01:28:24,056 --> 01:28:26,816
We all heard the shocking news
that Jill Dando had been murdered
1370
01:28:26,896 --> 01:28:28,136
on her own doorstep.
1371
01:28:28,216 --> 01:28:31,456
Do you think you can look forward
to another phase in your life?
1372
01:28:31,536 --> 01:28:33,815
Jill was a very positive person
1373
01:28:33,896 --> 01:28:36,896
and she would want us
to do something positive.
1374
01:28:37,616 --> 01:28:41,296
[woman] It had been
a whole year since Jill had been shot
1375
01:28:42,096 --> 01:28:44,136
and they hadn't found someone for it.
1376
01:28:44,216 --> 01:28:47,136
How are you now? Time does heal.
Are you on the road?
1377
01:28:47,216 --> 01:28:49,936
A lot of people have given me
enormous support.
1378
01:28:50,016 --> 01:28:53,056
[woman] She was the darling of Britain.
1379
01:28:54,256 --> 01:28:58,216
And that just, it beggared belief
that they couldn't find
1380
01:28:58,296 --> 01:29:00,216
the person who killed Jill Dando.
1381
01:29:00,296 --> 01:29:02,096
[tense music playing]
1382
01:29:03,056 --> 01:29:06,616
And I was busy getting ready
to go to a prayer meeting.
1383
01:29:06,696 --> 01:29:08,376
[reporter] Good morning, the headlines.
1384
01:29:08,456 --> 01:29:11,856
[male reporter] The man held by
Scotland Yard on suspicion of murdering
1385
01:29:11,936 --> 01:29:14,056
the BBC TV presenter Jill Dando…
1386
01:29:14,136 --> 01:29:18,096
[woman] I heard on the news
that somebody had been arrested.
1387
01:29:18,176 --> 01:29:20,856
[male reporter] …who lives half a mile
from Ms. Dando's former home.
1388
01:29:20,936 --> 01:29:24,496
And I thought that was wonderful,
at long last,
1389
01:29:24,576 --> 01:29:28,296
someone was going to be
brought up for Jill's killing.
1390
01:29:28,376 --> 01:29:31,696
[male reporter] The police have removed
items from his home for examination.
1391
01:29:31,776 --> 01:29:35,256
[woman] And then
the newscaster said his name is…
1392
01:29:35,336 --> 01:29:36,936
[male reporter] …Barry Bulsara.
1393
01:29:37,616 --> 01:29:39,016
[woman] I just went numb.
1394
01:29:39,976 --> 01:29:43,776
I just thought, no, it can't be
the same Barry Bulsara.
1395
01:29:46,176 --> 01:29:48,496
This is utter madness.
1396
01:29:51,776 --> 01:29:52,976
That was my brother.
1397
01:29:56,976 --> 01:29:58,096
Could he have done it?
1398
01:30:07,856 --> 01:30:09,856
[siren wailing]
1399
01:30:12,456 --> 01:30:14,256
[sirens wailing]
1400
01:30:14,336 --> 01:30:16,776
[male reporter] Today,
Scotland Yard issued a statement
1401
01:30:16,856 --> 01:30:18,376
to say a man was arrested
1402
01:30:18,456 --> 01:30:20,336
on suspicion of murdering Jill Dando.
1403
01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:22,856
[female reporter] Scotland Yard
has not confirmed
1404
01:30:22,936 --> 01:30:25,096
the identity of the man
they're questioning.
1405
01:30:26,775 --> 01:30:28,495
[gripping music playing]
1406
01:30:31,576 --> 01:30:34,656
[Hamish] It was
a big step to arrest the man
1407
01:30:35,616 --> 01:30:37,936
suspected or accused
of killing Jill Dando.
1408
01:30:38,936 --> 01:30:39,936
[indistinct chatter]
1409
01:30:40,016 --> 01:30:42,456
[male police officer] It is, uh, 27.
1410
01:30:45,856 --> 01:30:50,296
[Hamish] I wrote in my logs,
"I fear it was the ill man, the loner,
1411
01:30:52,336 --> 01:30:54,256
the infatuated, the psychopath,
1412
01:30:55,096 --> 01:30:58,416
the disturbed or the obsessed
who was responsible."
1413
01:31:00,616 --> 01:31:02,456
Barry George fit that category.
1414
01:31:08,456 --> 01:31:09,456
[clears throat]
1415
01:31:09,536 --> 01:31:10,576
[inhales sharply]
1416
01:31:11,896 --> 01:31:13,176
[breathing heavily]
1417
01:31:15,336 --> 01:31:17,536
[Hamish] The Jill Dando murder
was considered
1418
01:31:17,616 --> 01:31:20,136
as one of the biggest
homicide investigations
1419
01:31:20,216 --> 01:31:22,296
conducted by the Metropolitan Police.
1420
01:31:23,216 --> 01:31:27,616
Four thousand people had been spoken to
or interviewed in one way or another.
1421
01:31:28,976 --> 01:31:33,136
So, I was just focused on
getting it right.
1422
01:31:37,976 --> 01:31:40,856
[male interrogator] Do you agree
that you possessed a gun?
1423
01:31:41,736 --> 01:31:42,856
Replica.
1424
01:31:43,416 --> 01:31:46,016
So we accept
that you possessed the replica gun?
1425
01:31:46,096 --> 01:31:47,056
Yes, sir.
1426
01:31:47,136 --> 01:31:50,056
[Hamish] What was interesting was
he answered the questions
1427
01:31:50,136 --> 01:31:51,216
during the interview.
1428
01:31:51,296 --> 01:31:54,056
Not a gun. A replica gun.
1429
01:31:54,136 --> 01:31:57,856
Most people being interviewed for a murder
would not answer any questions.
1430
01:31:58,656 --> 01:32:00,296
[breathing heavily]
1431
01:32:00,936 --> 01:32:03,496
[female interviewer] I'm going to ask you
a few questions.
1432
01:32:03,576 --> 01:32:06,616
I just want you to try and remember
1433
01:32:06,696 --> 01:32:10,896
what it was like
when you were detained and arrested.
1434
01:32:11,536 --> 01:32:13,576
The police wanted to speak to me,
1435
01:32:13,656 --> 01:32:15,936
what for, I don't know, you know,
1436
01:32:16,016 --> 01:32:18,456
because I haven't committed any crime.
1437
01:32:18,536 --> 01:32:22,536
So did you know who Jill Dando was?
1438
01:32:23,136 --> 01:32:27,696
I've never met her in my life.
Didn't know who she was.
1439
01:32:28,456 --> 01:32:33,496
The police, over and over
grilled me about it.
1440
01:32:33,576 --> 01:32:36,255
And I really did not know who she was.
1441
01:32:37,296 --> 01:32:39,096
[male interrogator] Did you ever buy
1442
01:32:39,176 --> 01:32:41,696
a G145, 8mm, blank-firing
government automatic?
1443
01:32:41,776 --> 01:32:42,696
[Barry] No, sir.
1444
01:32:42,776 --> 01:32:45,016
-Have you ever possessed one of those?
-No, sir.
1445
01:32:45,096 --> 01:32:47,216
-Have you ever handled one of those?
-No, sir.
1446
01:32:47,296 --> 01:32:49,696
-Have you ever fired one of those?
-No, sir.
1447
01:32:51,496 --> 01:32:53,416
We knew that he was lying.
1448
01:32:54,176 --> 01:32:56,016
[suspenseful music playing]
1449
01:32:56,096 --> 01:32:58,696
We had a photograph
of George holding this pistol,
1450
01:32:58,776 --> 01:33:04,416
which was one of the types of firearms
that it was reported killed Jill Dando.
1451
01:33:06,936 --> 01:33:09,536
[male interrogator] Do you recognize
the person in the picture?
1452
01:33:16,376 --> 01:33:20,296
The picture that was taken,
it's not me in that picture.
1453
01:33:26,536 --> 01:33:28,696
[male interrogator]
Who do you think it is?
1454
01:33:30,056 --> 01:33:31,056
Could be anyone.
1455
01:33:32,096 --> 01:33:33,896
That's a picture of you, Mr. George.
1456
01:33:34,856 --> 01:33:36,856
[BBC News theme music playing]
1457
01:33:41,776 --> 01:33:43,776
Good evening. Police hunting the killer
1458
01:33:43,856 --> 01:33:47,376
of the television presenter Jill Dando
have been holding a man all day…
1459
01:33:47,456 --> 01:33:50,176
On suspicion of murder
in connection with last year's killing
1460
01:33:50,256 --> 01:33:53,536
of popular BBC
television personality Jill Dando.
1461
01:33:58,856 --> 01:34:03,536
The story of Barry George's arrest
was probably almost as big
1462
01:34:03,616 --> 01:34:06,696
as the story of Jill Dando's murder
in the first place.
1463
01:34:08,216 --> 01:34:11,096
The people I worked for,
they just wanted to know everything,
1464
01:34:11,176 --> 01:34:16,256
who is this guy, from cradle to grave?
You know, every cough and splutter.
1465
01:34:16,856 --> 01:34:18,776
I started working my contacts.
1466
01:34:18,856 --> 01:34:21,176
I eventually got through to somebody
1467
01:34:21,256 --> 01:34:24,656
and my source was higher up
the chain of command.
1468
01:34:26,216 --> 01:34:29,696
He said to me that, you know,
he's a guy called Barry Bulsara.
1469
01:34:30,336 --> 01:34:35,496
Barry Bulsara? I said, you know,
is he related to Freddie Mercury?
1470
01:34:35,576 --> 01:34:40,136
I knew that his real name was Bulsara,
very unusual surname.
1471
01:34:40,216 --> 01:34:42,536
And I thought,
that can't be a coincidence.
1472
01:34:42,616 --> 01:34:44,296
[gripping music playing]
1473
01:34:44,376 --> 01:34:48,696
[male reporter] The forensic examination
of the suspect's home and its contents
1474
01:34:48,776 --> 01:34:51,176
is likely to continue throughout the day.
1475
01:34:51,256 --> 01:34:54,696
[Jon] It was in all
the newspapers, on all the news channels.
1476
01:34:54,776 --> 01:34:58,016
Police over here are saying that
this is a very significant development
1477
01:34:58,096 --> 01:35:00,696
in what's been
a 13-month-long investigation.
1478
01:35:00,776 --> 01:35:03,936
My phone rang off the hook
with every journalist in the universe
1479
01:35:04,016 --> 01:35:06,376
trying to find, you know, get a quote.
1480
01:35:06,456 --> 01:35:09,096
Police are still questioning
a man in London tonight.
1481
01:35:09,176 --> 01:35:12,896
And it was obvious to me that
this was the biggest event of the year.
1482
01:35:12,976 --> 01:35:16,096
After 24 hours,
they could apply for an extension
1483
01:35:16,176 --> 01:35:18,616
to hold him for further questioning.
1484
01:35:18,696 --> 01:35:22,176
[Jeff] The answer coming back
from Freddie Mercury's representatives
1485
01:35:22,256 --> 01:35:24,096
was he doesn't have a cousin called Barry
1486
01:35:24,176 --> 01:35:26,096
and hasn't a clue who this bloke is.
1487
01:35:26,176 --> 01:35:28,536
[male reporter] The singer's family
denied any connection.
1488
01:35:28,616 --> 01:35:30,336
[Jeff] So I said, "So what are we saying?"
1489
01:35:30,416 --> 01:35:34,216
"Is this guy some sort of fantasist?"
And he said, "Well, put it this way,
1490
01:35:34,296 --> 01:35:36,656
he doesn't appear to be the full ticket."
1491
01:35:36,736 --> 01:35:38,856
[solemn music playing]
1492
01:35:47,056 --> 01:35:50,216
I took great heart from the fact that
1493
01:35:50,296 --> 01:35:53,256
nobody knew that his surname was George.
1494
01:35:56,416 --> 01:35:58,736
We're just an ordinary family.
1495
01:35:58,816 --> 01:36:01,216
These things don't happen
to ordinary people.
1496
01:36:02,656 --> 01:36:06,296
I thought that the whole thing
was going to fall apart
1497
01:36:06,376 --> 01:36:11,176
and we'd never have to tell people
that this happened to us.
1498
01:36:15,456 --> 01:36:18,376
I believed it was a mistake.
1499
01:36:18,456 --> 01:36:23,536
They would soon realize, "No, we've got
the wrong guy," and they would let him go.
1500
01:36:29,936 --> 01:36:34,656
It is important to give everybody
the chance to be innocent
1501
01:36:34,736 --> 01:36:36,656
and let them demonstrate that
1502
01:36:36,736 --> 01:36:39,376
because they will soon unravel
if they're not.
1503
01:36:39,456 --> 01:36:41,816
-[male interrogator] Do you tell lies?
-No, sir.
1504
01:36:43,016 --> 01:36:45,416
-Are you Freddie Mercury's cousin?
-No, sir.
1505
01:36:45,496 --> 01:36:47,936
Have you told people
you're Freddie Mercury's cousin?
1506
01:36:48,016 --> 01:36:49,456
I have done, sir.
1507
01:36:49,536 --> 01:36:51,655
-Is that a lie, Mr. George?
-Yes, sir.
1508
01:36:52,856 --> 01:36:54,936
Things just turned from bad to worse.
1509
01:36:55,016 --> 01:36:56,376
[tense music playing]
1510
01:36:56,456 --> 01:37:00,216
I'm thinking, now you're trying
to put me in a frame,
1511
01:37:00,295 --> 01:37:04,656
use me as a, you know, scapegoat.
That's as simple as that.
1512
01:37:05,656 --> 01:37:08,496
[male interrogator]
What's your interest in Jill Dando?
1513
01:37:08,576 --> 01:37:10,816
I don't have an interest
in Jill Dando, sir.
1514
01:37:12,136 --> 01:37:15,736
I would have had no knowledge
of who she was.
1515
01:37:15,816 --> 01:37:18,456
[male interrogator]
Do you know who Jill Dando was?
1516
01:37:18,536 --> 01:37:23,616
Until after her, um, death, I had no idea.
1517
01:37:23,696 --> 01:37:27,336
The position that Barry George maintained
that he didn't know Jill Dando,
1518
01:37:27,416 --> 01:37:30,256
he'd never heard of her, that was a lie.
1519
01:37:32,776 --> 01:37:37,296
We found photographs of television
presenters from his flat, always female.
1520
01:37:38,216 --> 01:37:40,736
Many people are interested in celebrities.
1521
01:37:40,816 --> 01:37:43,416
They're autograph hunters
or they go to locations.
1522
01:37:43,496 --> 01:37:48,936
But Barry George's interest appeared
to be private and almost secret.
1523
01:37:51,176 --> 01:37:53,096
Barry George knew of Jill Dando.
1524
01:37:54,416 --> 01:37:56,216
It was frustrating and difficult.
1525
01:37:56,296 --> 01:38:00,336
I mean, despite all the information
we'd found in the intelligence,
1526
01:38:00,416 --> 01:38:02,456
there was nothing there at that time
1527
01:38:02,536 --> 01:38:05,256
where we could charge George
with murdering Jill Dando.
1528
01:38:08,616 --> 01:38:12,816
We had the maximum of 96 hours in custody.
1529
01:38:12,896 --> 01:38:16,696
He either had to be charged
or released at that stage.
1530
01:38:19,456 --> 01:38:24,056
[Charlie] The public, watching programs
like Crime Scene Investigator, CSI,
1531
01:38:24,136 --> 01:38:27,656
they want the smoking gun.
They want the hard, firm evidence
1532
01:38:27,736 --> 01:38:31,976
that in reality just doesn't always
exist in investigations.
1533
01:38:32,056 --> 01:38:33,816
[gripping music playing]
1534
01:38:33,896 --> 01:38:37,816
Investigation is about methodology,
uh, and process.
1535
01:38:39,336 --> 01:38:41,416
I went back to the forensic exhibits.
1536
01:38:42,296 --> 01:38:45,736
I searched his home address.
We found a coat.
1537
01:38:47,136 --> 01:38:49,896
The three-quarter length coat
which was very similar
1538
01:38:49,976 --> 01:38:54,176
to the one that witnesses had described
as being worn by the shooter.
1539
01:38:56,096 --> 01:39:00,856
It had been photographed at the laboratory
and sent for forensic analysis.
1540
01:39:05,456 --> 01:39:09,176
[Barry] Allegedly, the coat that
they recovered for evidence,
1541
01:39:09,256 --> 01:39:12,256
it was a black cashmere coat,
just like this one.
1542
01:39:13,136 --> 01:39:19,216
And if I had been the perpetrator,
there'd be cashmere and wool evidence.
1543
01:39:19,296 --> 01:39:20,376
Thousands of fibers.
1544
01:39:23,136 --> 01:39:25,696
[Hamish] Forensic material
erodes very quickly.
1545
01:39:25,776 --> 01:39:28,616
So the idea there would be blood,
1546
01:39:29,616 --> 01:39:33,616
fibers or gunshot residue would be minimal
1547
01:39:33,696 --> 01:39:35,856
because we were a year behind.
1548
01:39:36,816 --> 01:39:38,976
If we couldn't find any direct evidence
1549
01:39:39,056 --> 01:39:41,736
which could link George
to that crime scene,
1550
01:39:42,376 --> 01:39:43,576
he would need to be released.
1551
01:39:45,576 --> 01:39:47,416
And then we received the report.
1552
01:39:48,616 --> 01:39:52,176
The laboratory had found a single particle
of gunshot residue
1553
01:39:52,256 --> 01:39:55,736
in the inside coat pocket
of the three-quarter length coat.
1554
01:39:58,256 --> 01:40:02,856
George had been in the presence
of discharged gunshot residue.
1555
01:40:03,776 --> 01:40:06,056
And of all the types it could have been,
1556
01:40:06,136 --> 01:40:09,696
that particle was the same type
as found at the crime scene.
1557
01:40:11,096 --> 01:40:14,536
This changed
the investigation dramatically.
1558
01:40:14,616 --> 01:40:17,256
[male interrogator] How do you explain
the firearms residue
1559
01:40:17,336 --> 01:40:19,216
in your coat pocket, Mr. George?
1560
01:40:19,296 --> 01:40:22,216
The coat pocket of the coat
that you may have been wearing
1561
01:40:22,296 --> 01:40:25,056
on the day that Jill Dando was killed.
How do you explain that?
1562
01:40:28,056 --> 01:40:29,096
I can't explain.
1563
01:40:29,936 --> 01:40:32,696
I have no knowledge.
1564
01:40:32,776 --> 01:40:36,016
[Hamish] That's when his solicitor
advised him to make no further comment.
1565
01:40:37,216 --> 01:40:39,216
We had sufficient evidence now.
1566
01:40:41,416 --> 01:40:44,336
And he was charged
with the murder of Jill Dando.
1567
01:40:46,136 --> 01:40:49,536
[male reporter] After four days of
questioning at Hammersmith police station
1568
01:40:49,616 --> 01:40:53,576
in West London, the self-styled
Barry Bulsara was charged with murder
1569
01:40:53,656 --> 01:40:56,736
under his original name
of Barry Michael George.
1570
01:40:57,296 --> 01:40:59,816
The detective leading the inquiry,
Hamish Campbell,
1571
01:40:59,896 --> 01:41:02,296
left the police station without comment.
1572
01:41:02,376 --> 01:41:05,776
Mr. Bulsara was driven away
to a jail in South London.
1573
01:41:05,856 --> 01:41:07,896
[female reporter] Tonight, Barry Bulsara
1574
01:41:07,976 --> 01:41:10,336
is spending his first night
in prison after being charged
1575
01:41:10,416 --> 01:41:12,296
with the murder of Jill Dando.
1576
01:41:16,056 --> 01:41:18,736
[Michelle] I was in
a department store in Cork
1577
01:41:19,696 --> 01:41:23,096
and I got a phone call
from Barry's solicitor.
1578
01:41:23,176 --> 01:41:27,136
I thought that she was ringing me to say,
"Okay, they're going to let him go."
1579
01:41:27,216 --> 01:41:28,896
But that wasn't what she said.
1580
01:41:29,816 --> 01:41:31,856
She said, "I'm really sorry."
1581
01:41:32,696 --> 01:41:36,576
"I have to tell you
that they're going to charge him."
1582
01:41:38,616 --> 01:41:44,096
And she said, "They found this particle
of gunshot residue on his coat."
1583
01:41:44,176 --> 01:41:47,736
At that moment I had to ask,
"Could he have done it?"
1584
01:41:48,296 --> 01:41:50,696
[suspenseful music playing]
1585
01:41:55,416 --> 01:42:00,056
I spent 32 years in prison
and I was serving a sentence in Belmarsh.
1586
01:42:01,176 --> 01:42:03,976
I knew a journalist who worked
for Punch magazine.
1587
01:42:04,656 --> 01:42:09,256
He phoned me up one day and said,
"Barry George was arrested
1588
01:42:09,336 --> 01:42:13,816
and on remand for high-profile
execution-style murder with a firearm."
1589
01:42:14,656 --> 01:42:17,016
"Is there any chance
you can get a personal interview?"
1590
01:42:17,096 --> 01:42:18,736
So I said, "Well, yeah."
1591
01:42:18,816 --> 01:42:22,256
I put the phone down,
sidled up to a friendly screw.
1592
01:42:22,336 --> 01:42:25,816
I said, "I hear Barry George is in here."
He said, "Yeah, he's in the hospital."
1593
01:42:26,176 --> 01:42:30,576
Okay. I went back to my cell.
Half hour later, I faked a heart attack.
1594
01:42:32,256 --> 01:42:36,536
Uh, so the screws come rushing in,
took me over to Belmarsh hospital,
1595
01:42:37,176 --> 01:42:39,976
and I spotted him
from the newspaper pictures.
1596
01:42:41,136 --> 01:42:43,096
Tried to start a conversation with him.
1597
01:42:43,176 --> 01:42:45,256
Obviously, I couldn't write anything down
1598
01:42:45,336 --> 01:42:48,736
because, you know, I'm over there
for a suspected heart attack,
1599
01:42:48,816 --> 01:42:51,376
and if I had a notebook and a pen,
they'd get suspicious.
1600
01:42:54,696 --> 01:42:57,856
First question I asked him,
"All right, mate. What's your name?"
1601
01:42:57,936 --> 01:42:59,416
And he went, "Barry."
1602
01:43:00,256 --> 01:43:03,536
I went, "Okay."
I said, uh, "Do you like guns?"
1603
01:43:03,616 --> 01:43:08,416
He looked at me for a minute
and he said, "I like Guns N' Roses."
1604
01:43:10,536 --> 01:43:13,496
And I remember thinking,
he's got to be drugged out of it
1605
01:43:13,576 --> 01:43:15,696
because he was so slow in his speech.
1606
01:43:15,776 --> 01:43:18,096
And obviously I wanted
the juicy story, didn't I?
1607
01:43:18,176 --> 01:43:21,296
"Yes, I killed Jill Dando."
That's going to be my journalistic coup.
1608
01:43:21,376 --> 01:43:23,216
Uh, "Did you do the murder?"
1609
01:43:24,256 --> 01:43:25,856
And he went, "No."
1610
01:43:25,936 --> 01:43:30,296
And I went, "You know who was murdered?"
And he went, "Yeah, it was Jill Dando."
1611
01:43:30,376 --> 01:43:31,576
[imperceptible]
1612
01:43:34,336 --> 01:43:35,856
I looked at him and I thought,
1613
01:43:35,936 --> 01:43:38,456
"There's something
not quite right about this guy."
1614
01:43:38,536 --> 01:43:40,176
[intriguing music playing]
1615
01:43:40,256 --> 01:43:43,616
I sent the interview
and I said, "I've spoken to him."
1616
01:43:43,696 --> 01:43:48,136
"He's not capable of committing
a cold-blooded execution in broad daylight
1617
01:43:48,216 --> 01:43:50,336
and then
not speaking about it for a year."
1618
01:43:50,416 --> 01:43:53,776
"No way," I said, "there's no way
he could keep that secret."
1619
01:43:56,856 --> 01:44:00,176
Seeing Barry behind the horrible
Perspex screen,
1620
01:44:00,856 --> 01:44:03,976
it was the most awful thing.
1621
01:44:05,976 --> 01:44:11,576
He looked so vulnerable
and we couldn't touch,
1622
01:44:11,656 --> 01:44:17,896
but he put his hand up against the glass
like that. And I put mine.
1623
01:44:18,616 --> 01:44:23,696
He just looked straight in my eyes
and he said, "I didn't do it."
1624
01:44:23,776 --> 01:44:26,776
And I thought, "Right.
That's enough for me."
1625
01:44:27,696 --> 01:44:31,256
I just said, "We will fight this."
1626
01:44:33,656 --> 01:44:38,456
We needed to get the best
legal representation we could.
1627
01:44:38,536 --> 01:44:40,496
[man] Michael Mansfield, slate nine.
1628
01:44:41,616 --> 01:44:44,096
[male interviewer] It would be helpful
if you could list
1629
01:44:44,176 --> 01:44:46,536
some of the major cases
that you've worked on.
1630
01:44:46,616 --> 01:44:47,816
How long have you got?
1631
01:44:47,896 --> 01:44:50,776
[male reporter 1]
There were serious acts of violence
1632
01:44:50,856 --> 01:44:52,896
by senior and junior police officers…
1633
01:44:52,976 --> 01:44:56,376
[male reporter 2] Michael Mansfield
is a high-profile barrister.
1634
01:44:56,456 --> 01:44:59,336
He's represented the likes
of the Birmingham Six.
1635
01:44:59,416 --> 01:45:02,456
Guildford Four, Tottenham Three,
Cardiff Five.
1636
01:45:03,136 --> 01:45:06,496
Bloody Sunday in the north of Ireland.
Hillsborough.
1637
01:45:07,136 --> 01:45:10,136
A full examination of the issues
and the truth of what went on
1638
01:45:10,216 --> 01:45:12,216
hasn't even been fully explored yet.
1639
01:45:12,336 --> 01:45:15,496
Mohamed Al-Fayed and Diana,
that's pretty big.
1640
01:45:15,616 --> 01:45:18,776
A whole series of cases
involving the Black community,
1641
01:45:18,856 --> 01:45:22,616
and then that culminated
with the Lawrence inquiry.
1642
01:45:28,815 --> 01:45:30,496
[pensive music playing]
1643
01:45:30,575 --> 01:45:35,456
When I first met Barry,
it took a little while to create,
1644
01:45:35,536 --> 01:45:37,456
as it sometimes does, a relationship.
1645
01:45:40,256 --> 01:45:44,335
I didn't recognize just how serious
1646
01:45:44,416 --> 01:45:47,496
the workings of his mind were.
1647
01:45:48,096 --> 01:45:51,296
He didn't respond in the way
that people usually did.
1648
01:45:52,256 --> 01:45:57,736
My concern then was the police allowed
the case to be infused with this theory
1649
01:45:57,816 --> 01:46:00,416
that it was this loner man.
1650
01:46:01,696 --> 01:46:03,376
What is the case against him?
1651
01:46:03,456 --> 01:46:08,096
That he's an oddball character,
he has an obsession with women,
1652
01:46:08,176 --> 01:46:10,056
but not particularly with Jill Dando.
1653
01:46:11,336 --> 01:46:13,376
He had an interest in guns.
1654
01:46:13,456 --> 01:46:18,296
And all of that produces
an incontrovertible case
1655
01:46:18,376 --> 01:46:20,376
that he's the man who did it.
1656
01:46:21,496 --> 01:46:22,736
No, it doesn't.
1657
01:46:23,776 --> 01:46:27,416
Now, if I were a police officer,
I'd approach it a different way.
1658
01:46:29,376 --> 01:46:34,536
Nearly every crime scene
has the answer within the scene.
1659
01:46:37,976 --> 01:46:40,056
I went on a bicycle to have a look at it.
1660
01:46:41,656 --> 01:46:42,936
The front garden's tiny.
1661
01:46:44,056 --> 01:46:48,296
It'd take you four or five paces
from the gate. It's nothing.
1662
01:46:50,656 --> 01:46:54,856
Between the time she clicks
her driver's door closed,
1663
01:46:54,936 --> 01:46:59,856
walks to the front door,
it's a matter of yards only.
1664
01:47:00,736 --> 01:47:04,576
It cannot have been
a lone gunman. [chuckles]
1665
01:47:04,656 --> 01:47:06,776
[intriguing music playing]
1666
01:47:06,856 --> 01:47:10,456
It has to have been somebody
with inside information.
1667
01:47:10,536 --> 01:47:15,336
Every time you put Barry George
into the role of the executioner,
1668
01:47:15,416 --> 01:47:16,536
it doesn't work.
1669
01:47:16,616 --> 01:47:21,296
He'd had to have had the loaded gun
on him ready to fire
1670
01:47:21,376 --> 01:47:25,816
and be crouched in the front garden
so that she didn't see that he was there.
1671
01:47:26,456 --> 01:47:28,536
Well, he'd have to be there for hours.
1672
01:47:30,696 --> 01:47:31,856
Doesn't add up.
1673
01:47:35,016 --> 01:47:39,096
I realized that this was
an injustice in the making.
1674
01:47:40,616 --> 01:47:47,336
So then, what kicks in is the feeling of,
sadness is the wrong word, anger.
1675
01:47:47,416 --> 01:47:48,776
I want to do something about it.
1676
01:47:48,856 --> 01:47:50,736
[gripping music playing]
1677
01:47:51,816 --> 01:47:52,856
[metal door slams]
1678
01:47:53,696 --> 01:47:56,216
I had to ask myself, "Well, is it right?"
1679
01:47:56,296 --> 01:48:00,056
"Is it fair? Is he fit to stand trial,
understand the proceedings?"
1680
01:48:01,896 --> 01:48:06,456
And so I'd asked him
to be examined by the psychologists,
1681
01:48:06,536 --> 01:48:08,776
in order to make some kind of assessment.
1682
01:48:18,376 --> 01:48:20,536
[professor] I learned that the legal team
1683
01:48:20,616 --> 01:48:24,136
were having huge difficulties
with Barry George.
1684
01:48:25,616 --> 01:48:29,856
Michael Mansfield said,
"I think there's something not right here
1685
01:48:29,936 --> 01:48:31,696
and he needs to be tested."
1686
01:48:33,376 --> 01:48:36,616
I sat on the train thinking,
what's this person going to be like
1687
01:48:36,696 --> 01:48:38,896
'cause you know it had been
in all the press,
1688
01:48:38,976 --> 01:48:41,496
this monster who'd "killed" Jill Dando.
1689
01:48:41,576 --> 01:48:43,336
[pensive music playing]
1690
01:48:43,416 --> 01:48:49,776
But when I arrived,
he was just so distressed
1691
01:48:49,856 --> 01:48:53,096
and so all over the place.
1692
01:48:53,176 --> 01:48:56,256
It was extreme. It was all coming one way.
1693
01:48:56,336 --> 01:49:00,176
I felt like it was an avalanche
of words hitting at me.
1694
01:49:00,976 --> 01:49:03,176
"They've done this and they've done that."
1695
01:49:06,416 --> 01:49:10,176
For his intellect, I found that he fell
in the borderline range,
1696
01:49:10,256 --> 01:49:12,256
so that's extremely low.
1697
01:49:14,856 --> 01:49:18,016
With his working memory,
his processing speed,
1698
01:49:18,096 --> 01:49:20,896
actually, everything else
was at the first percentile.
1699
01:49:20,976 --> 01:49:26,496
So 99% of people
would perform better than him.
1700
01:49:26,576 --> 01:49:28,256
[intriguing music playing]
1701
01:49:32,616 --> 01:49:35,136
[Jane] All newspapers
were put on to what we call,
1702
01:49:35,216 --> 01:49:37,696
getting the background on that person.
1703
01:49:38,256 --> 01:49:42,456
And of course, what we found
was very colorful indeed.
1704
01:49:43,976 --> 01:49:47,776
It rapidly became clear
that Barry George had built up
1705
01:49:47,856 --> 01:49:51,616
a sort of a very fantasy life for himself.
1706
01:49:52,376 --> 01:49:57,216
In the '80s, he had been fined
for impersonating a police officer.
1707
01:49:57,296 --> 01:50:02,296
He told women he was in the RAF,
then it became the SAS, uh,
1708
01:50:02,376 --> 01:50:06,376
whereas in reality he'd just been
rejected from the Territorial Army.
1709
01:50:06,456 --> 01:50:08,136
[male reporter] Aren't you a nutter?
1710
01:50:08,216 --> 01:50:09,216
No.
1711
01:50:10,496 --> 01:50:12,376
[Jane] And then this footage emerged.
1712
01:50:13,256 --> 01:50:16,016
And now he was called Steve Majors
all of a sudden
1713
01:50:16,096 --> 01:50:20,776
and he was doing this stunt
which involved going over the top
1714
01:50:20,856 --> 01:50:24,976
of four double-decker buses
whilst wearing roller skates.
1715
01:50:25,056 --> 01:50:28,256
So you've never actually done
anything like this before?
1716
01:50:28,336 --> 01:50:30,696
Never in the world. It's never been done.
1717
01:50:30,776 --> 01:50:33,736
Haven't you had a go on a mini-ramp
just to have a practice?
1718
01:50:33,816 --> 01:50:35,896
-No, not at all.
-[chuckles softly]
1719
01:50:35,976 --> 01:50:37,696
[gripping music playing]
1720
01:50:39,176 --> 01:50:40,496
[Barry screams]
1721
01:50:41,176 --> 01:50:46,416
[Jane] I think he dislocated his spine,
he fractured his femur
1722
01:50:46,496 --> 01:50:50,056
and you think,
fantasist of the first order.
1723
01:50:50,816 --> 01:50:55,856
But could you make the leap
from that to this is the man
1724
01:50:55,936 --> 01:51:01,016
that walked up to Jill Dando and shot her
in cold blood in the head?
1725
01:51:06,696 --> 01:51:08,256
[birds screeching]
1726
01:51:08,336 --> 01:51:10,536
[pensive music playing]
1727
01:51:10,616 --> 01:51:13,936
[Michael] The essence of the case
has two dimensions. One is a culprit,
1728
01:51:14,736 --> 01:51:18,616
and the other thing you need
to grasp is the evidence.
1729
01:51:19,256 --> 01:51:25,056
The ballistics, namely the cartridge case
left behind from the bullet.
1730
01:51:26,656 --> 01:51:28,216
It had been adapted.
1731
01:51:30,376 --> 01:51:33,976
The crimping of the cartridge case,
that's rare.
1732
01:51:34,776 --> 01:51:38,696
Somebody had written in to the police,
trying to help,
1733
01:51:38,776 --> 01:51:41,896
saying, "I'm very familiar
with this kind of ammunition."
1734
01:51:41,976 --> 01:51:45,016
"I served in Eastern Europe
in the Balkans,
1735
01:51:45,136 --> 01:51:47,216
and crimping is a characteristic."
1736
01:51:48,296 --> 01:51:53,856
So then you have to say to yourself,
where does that take you? To Serbia.
1737
01:51:55,456 --> 01:51:56,736
[loud explosion]
1738
01:51:56,816 --> 01:51:58,976
[gripping music playing]
1739
01:52:00,256 --> 01:52:01,696
[distant explosion]
1740
01:52:01,776 --> 01:52:03,576
[distant siren wailing]
1741
01:52:03,656 --> 01:52:05,576
There was a Serbian connection.
1742
01:52:06,496 --> 01:52:08,056
Right there on the doorstep.
1743
01:52:10,016 --> 01:52:11,856
And it had happened before.
1744
01:52:12,896 --> 01:52:16,616
Earlier in April, the month in which
Jill Dando was murdered,
1745
01:52:16,696 --> 01:52:19,696
another journalist was also murdered
1746
01:52:19,776 --> 01:52:24,856
outside his home in Belgrade,
I think about 11 days before.
1747
01:52:24,936 --> 01:52:28,856
[reporter] Talk of Serbian involvement
in the murder was all but discarded.
1748
01:52:28,936 --> 01:52:32,576
There is no link whatsoever between any
of those more speculative theories
1749
01:52:32,656 --> 01:52:33,496
that we've been…
1750
01:52:33,576 --> 01:52:35,656
[Michael] I don't want to be facetious,
1751
01:52:35,736 --> 01:52:37,936
but I think the police
didn't take it seriously
1752
01:52:38,016 --> 01:52:42,136
because there'd been no real investigation
of the Serbian connection.
1753
01:52:43,256 --> 01:52:49,296
It has all the hallmarks of an organized,
orchestrated execution,
1754
01:52:49,936 --> 01:52:55,296
which in my view, point heavily away
from Barry George.
1755
01:52:55,376 --> 01:52:56,776
Am I getting carried away?
1756
01:52:57,736 --> 01:52:58,896
[laughs]
1757
01:52:59,576 --> 01:53:01,736
[gripping music playing]
1758
01:53:09,816 --> 01:53:12,616
[Hamish] A major part of the inquiry
was to try to follow up
1759
01:53:12,696 --> 01:53:15,856
on some of the women
who were in the photographs.
1760
01:53:18,056 --> 01:53:19,936
[Barry] The undeveloped film.
1761
01:53:20,016 --> 01:53:23,816
If they were for myself,
why didn't I develop them?
1762
01:53:23,896 --> 01:53:25,336
Because there were masses of them.
1763
01:53:26,416 --> 01:53:28,216
They said that I'd been…
1764
01:53:28,296 --> 01:53:32,456
What is it, their words? Stalking people.
1765
01:53:32,536 --> 01:53:36,656
But where I was talking
with people, right,
1766
01:53:37,816 --> 01:53:43,376
and if at any time they didn't feel
comfortable in my presence,
1767
01:53:44,296 --> 01:53:45,696
I would have walked away.
1768
01:53:48,256 --> 01:53:51,096
As time went on
and we got closer to the trial,
1769
01:53:51,176 --> 01:53:53,256
other details started to emerge.
1770
01:53:53,336 --> 01:53:58,096
There was a real escalation
in the level of disturbing behavior.
1771
01:53:58,976 --> 01:54:04,456
We'd gone from what looked like
a sort of a harmless, quirky fantasist
1772
01:54:04,536 --> 01:54:07,016
towards something much more sinister.
1773
01:54:08,096 --> 01:54:12,576
There was the arrest
for attempted rape, sexual offences.
1774
01:54:13,656 --> 01:54:16,376
Then, of course, this other piece
of evidence came up.
1775
01:54:17,096 --> 01:54:18,336
[people cheering]
1776
01:54:18,416 --> 01:54:20,856
He had an obsession with Princess Diana
1777
01:54:20,936 --> 01:54:24,136
and he had been caught
in the grounds of Kensington Palace
1778
01:54:24,216 --> 01:54:30,136
with a coil of rope, wearing combat gear,
carrying a 12-inch hunting knife.
1779
01:54:30,776 --> 01:54:33,816
And at the time, the police had just
thought it was harmless,
1780
01:54:33,896 --> 01:54:36,176
which I have to say, I find astonishing.
1781
01:54:37,016 --> 01:54:39,336
That was not normal behavior.
1782
01:54:40,256 --> 01:54:41,776
[imperceptible]
1783
01:54:41,856 --> 01:54:47,136
So this became another part of the puzzle
that, for the media,
1784
01:54:47,216 --> 01:54:51,176
pointed towards the possibility
of him being involved.
1785
01:54:51,256 --> 01:54:53,256
[intriguing music playing]
1786
01:54:55,776 --> 01:54:59,936
[female reporter] In May last year,
detectives arrested Barry Michael George.
1787
01:55:00,016 --> 01:55:02,496
His trial, which begins
at the Old Bailey today,
1788
01:55:02,576 --> 01:55:06,416
is expected to last at least six weeks.
He denies murder.
1789
01:55:07,096 --> 01:55:10,456
[man] I was the courts correspondent
of the London Evening Standard.
1790
01:55:10,536 --> 01:55:14,016
There was a thirst,
a desperation for information
1791
01:55:14,096 --> 01:55:16,176
which had to emerge from the trial.
1792
01:55:16,256 --> 01:55:17,696
[people clamoring]
1793
01:55:18,696 --> 01:55:22,936
The road outside the Old Bailey
was packed with television crews.
1794
01:55:23,016 --> 01:55:27,456
It stopped the traffic.
It was a massive media occasion.
1795
01:55:27,536 --> 01:55:30,936
[male reporter 1] Two years and eight days
after Jill Dando's murder,
1796
01:55:31,016 --> 01:55:33,856
her fiancé Alan Farthing
arrived at the Old Bailey.
1797
01:55:34,416 --> 01:55:38,536
With him was Jill's brother Nigel
and other members of the Dando family.
1798
01:55:38,616 --> 01:55:40,456
[male reporter 2]
From the defendant's family,
1799
01:55:40,536 --> 01:55:42,336
Michelle Diskin, Barry George's sister.
1800
01:55:42,416 --> 01:55:45,736
[female reporter] George is being defended
by Michael Mansfield QC.
1801
01:55:55,376 --> 01:56:00,376
It was the first sighting in public
of Barry George since his arrest,
1802
01:56:00,456 --> 01:56:03,736
which was big in itself
because everybody wanted to see
1803
01:56:04,816 --> 01:56:07,336
the man who was accused
of killing Jill Dando.
1804
01:56:07,416 --> 01:56:09,016
[tense music playing]
1805
01:56:11,576 --> 01:56:14,176
[Michelle] I was allowed
to be quite close to Barry.
1806
01:56:15,136 --> 01:56:17,176
He looked totally lost.
1807
01:56:17,256 --> 01:56:18,856
[breathing heavily]
1808
01:56:22,816 --> 01:56:27,376
[Nigel] When the prosecution
started to outline the case,
1809
01:56:27,456 --> 01:56:29,376
uh, we were able to hear more details
1810
01:56:29,456 --> 01:56:32,656
of exactly what the police case was
against Barry George.
1811
01:56:35,936 --> 01:56:38,616
The first few weeks of the trial,
we had learned
1812
01:56:38,696 --> 01:56:43,936
that a witness on Gowan Avenue
had potentially placed Barry George
1813
01:56:44,016 --> 01:56:46,776
on that road at 7:30 in the morning.
1814
01:56:46,856 --> 01:56:48,936
[male reporter] Susan Mayes,
who told the court
1815
01:56:49,016 --> 01:56:51,096
she was very sure
she had seen the defendant
1816
01:56:51,176 --> 01:56:52,776
near Jill Dando's house.
1817
01:56:52,856 --> 01:56:54,536
Ms. Mayes told the court that the man
1818
01:56:54,616 --> 01:56:57,416
seemed nervous and tried
to shield his face.
1819
01:56:57,496 --> 01:57:00,056
We also heard
that Barry George had attempted
1820
01:57:00,136 --> 01:57:03,016
to retrace his own steps that morning.
1821
01:57:03,096 --> 01:57:05,616
[female reporter] On the same day,
George had visited
1822
01:57:05,696 --> 01:57:07,536
a local advice center known as HAFAD
1823
01:57:07,616 --> 01:57:11,816
Two days later, he went back trying
to establish what time he'd been there.
1824
01:57:11,896 --> 01:57:16,816
[Jane] And in the prosecution's view,
he was trying to create a false alibi.
1825
01:57:18,176 --> 01:57:21,216
And then, of course,
the particle of gun residue
1826
01:57:21,296 --> 01:57:23,696
that was found in the coat pocket,
1827
01:57:24,416 --> 01:57:29,056
which then the prosecution claimed
put him in the presence of a fired gun.
1828
01:57:29,136 --> 01:57:31,536
In police interviews,
George couldn't explain
1829
01:57:31,616 --> 01:57:33,776
how the particle had come
to be in his coat,
1830
01:57:33,856 --> 01:57:37,016
and the jury were told it was
compelling evidence of his guilt.
1831
01:57:38,816 --> 01:57:44,776
The prosecution made the allegation
that I forced her to the ground
1832
01:57:44,856 --> 01:57:46,936
and then put a gun to her head.
1833
01:57:47,016 --> 01:57:51,856
But if I had pushed her down,
if you think, if you just--
1834
01:57:51,936 --> 01:57:55,656
-Do you mind, come, being a guinea pig?
-[female interviewer] Yeah.
1835
01:57:56,176 --> 01:57:58,256
If I had pushed you down,
1836
01:57:58,336 --> 01:58:01,296
-you're facing your door…
-Yeah.
1837
01:58:01,376 --> 01:58:03,736
-Putting the keys in your door.
-Yeah.
1838
01:58:03,816 --> 01:58:07,616
If I had pushed you down,
and it was alleged
1839
01:58:07,696 --> 01:58:10,136
-I pushed you down with my left hand…
-Yeah.
1840
01:58:11,056 --> 01:58:17,096
There'd be masses of blood
or gunshot residue over the perpetrator.
1841
01:58:17,176 --> 01:58:19,616
They found one particle, right?
1842
01:58:21,336 --> 01:58:22,696
I rest my case.
1843
01:58:27,096 --> 01:58:29,536
[Jane] We sort of got to the closing
of the prosecution
1844
01:58:29,616 --> 01:58:34,536
and we realized that, hang on,
that is… that is all there is.
1845
01:58:35,456 --> 01:58:36,456
[indistinct chatter]
1846
01:58:36,536 --> 01:58:41,656
The particle of gun residue
was dynamite piece of evidence,
1847
01:58:41,736 --> 01:58:44,536
but actually all of the other stuff,
1848
01:58:44,616 --> 01:58:48,896
unpleasant though some of it was,
was very circumstantial.
1849
01:58:48,976 --> 01:58:50,296
[intriguing music playing]
1850
01:58:50,376 --> 01:58:55,176
When the prosecution case wound up,
the question was, is it enough?
1851
01:58:55,256 --> 01:58:56,776
[camera shutters clicking]
1852
01:58:56,856 --> 01:59:00,496
It's a long-standing maxim
around Scotland Yard
1853
01:59:00,576 --> 01:59:04,176
is that until you've actually been
cross-examined by Michael Mansfield
1854
01:59:04,256 --> 01:59:06,336
on the contents of your notebook,
1855
01:59:06,416 --> 01:59:09,536
then as a police officer,
you haven't earned your stripes.
1856
01:59:10,936 --> 01:59:13,816
[Hamish] Yes, there was a level
of nervousness, of course,
1857
01:59:13,896 --> 01:59:18,816
because Mr. Mansfield is not someone
you can ever [chuckles] fool
1858
01:59:18,896 --> 01:59:21,696
or seek to evade answers from.
1859
01:59:22,896 --> 01:59:25,736
[Paul] Michael Mansfield once said
that he took the view
1860
01:59:25,816 --> 01:59:29,856
that whenever he's cross-examining
a policeman in court,
1861
01:59:29,936 --> 01:59:32,656
his thoughts are, "This man is lying."
1862
01:59:34,056 --> 01:59:36,096
So, the great moment arrived
1863
01:59:36,176 --> 01:59:40,096
when Michael Mansfield
came to cross-examine Hamish Campbell.
1864
01:59:41,376 --> 01:59:43,576
It was a battle of wills
across the courtroom.
1865
01:59:45,376 --> 01:59:48,376
[Michael] You found a particle
of firearms residue,
1866
01:59:48,456 --> 01:59:50,416
but, well, it works
the other way, doesn't it?
1867
01:59:50,496 --> 01:59:53,816
The absence of particles
anywhere else at all
1868
01:59:53,896 --> 01:59:55,496
in his flat, that's important.
1869
01:59:56,136 --> 02:00:01,096
[Hamish] George had been in the presence
of discharged gunshot residue, primer,
1870
02:00:01,176 --> 02:00:06,136
but he denied firing any gun
of any sort for many, many years.
1871
02:00:06,216 --> 02:00:09,896
There was no evidence indicating
that he'd ever owned a weapon
1872
02:00:09,976 --> 02:00:11,896
that could have been the gun in this case.
1873
02:00:11,976 --> 02:00:15,416
The possession of the firearm,
armorer's gun cards,
1874
02:00:15,496 --> 02:00:17,576
the magazines, the holster.
1875
02:00:17,656 --> 02:00:21,296
If there'd been a real investigation
of the Serbian connection…
1876
02:00:21,896 --> 02:00:27,576
[Hamish] We did explore this Serbian issue
by asking the security services,
1877
02:00:27,656 --> 02:00:31,296
and there is no evidence at all
which suggests
1878
02:00:31,376 --> 02:00:34,656
that the Serbians
or the NATO conflict was responsible.
1879
02:00:35,176 --> 02:00:37,896
[Michael] Where was the evidence
of an obsession with Jill Dando?
1880
02:00:37,976 --> 02:00:40,296
He might go up to women and talk to them
1881
02:00:40,376 --> 02:00:43,416
and pretend to be
the cousin of Freddie Mercury,
1882
02:00:44,376 --> 02:00:46,296
but that doesn't make him a murderer.
1883
02:00:46,376 --> 02:00:50,816
Barry George was perfectly capable
of committing that crime.
1884
02:00:50,896 --> 02:00:54,256
Barry George did not murder Jill Dando.
1885
02:00:57,296 --> 02:01:00,296
[female reporter]
Defense barrister Michael Mansfield QC
1886
02:01:00,376 --> 02:01:02,296
has suggested the Crimewatch presenter
1887
02:01:02,376 --> 02:01:05,296
may have been assassinated
by an underworld hitman
1888
02:01:05,376 --> 02:01:07,816
or a Serbian gunman in retaliation…
1889
02:01:07,896 --> 02:01:11,856
Mr. Mansfield told the jury that
there's no evidence since the mid-1980s
1890
02:01:11,936 --> 02:01:13,976
that his client has owned, possessed,
1891
02:01:14,056 --> 02:01:15,936
carried or bought
any weapon or ammunition…
1892
02:01:16,016 --> 02:01:19,176
Mr. Mansfield also pointed out
that police had been able to find
1893
02:01:19,256 --> 02:01:24,096
no forensic evidence of any firearms,
fired or otherwise, at Mr. George's flat.
1894
02:01:24,176 --> 02:01:25,976
[gripping music playing]
1895
02:01:29,816 --> 02:01:34,416
[Michelle] I was really quite confident
that, um, it would not be a conviction
1896
02:01:34,496 --> 02:01:36,256
because it was quite obvious
1897
02:01:36,336 --> 02:01:39,296
from the evidence
that Barry hadn't done it.
1898
02:01:40,256 --> 02:01:43,536
The judge took nearly three days
to sum up all the evidence.
1899
02:01:45,096 --> 02:01:48,816
And then the jury was sent out
for their deliberations.
1900
02:01:50,736 --> 02:01:54,416
Mr. Justice Gage told them to take
their time in considering their verdict
1901
02:01:54,496 --> 02:01:57,296
and asked that they try to come
to a unanimous decision.
1902
02:01:58,616 --> 02:02:01,536
[Hamish] Each day we were just waiting
at court for the verdict.
1903
02:02:06,696 --> 02:02:09,296
We were all called back into court.
1904
02:02:09,376 --> 02:02:13,096
We were told, um, "Oh, there's a decision,
there's a decision."
1905
02:02:13,176 --> 02:02:14,856
[suspenseful music playing]
1906
02:02:14,936 --> 02:02:18,496
[Michael] One member of the jury
sat on the front row, she was in tears,
1907
02:02:18,576 --> 02:02:21,216
and that could have meant
a number of things.
1908
02:02:22,496 --> 02:02:24,936
[Michelle] The foreman was asked to rise.
1909
02:02:25,016 --> 02:02:26,975
In fact, I even caught his eye.
1910
02:02:29,096 --> 02:02:31,776
He was then asked,
"Do you find Barry George
1911
02:02:31,856 --> 02:02:33,856
guilty or not guilty of murder?"
1912
02:02:34,776 --> 02:02:35,736
And the answer was…
1913
02:02:37,176 --> 02:02:39,336
[suspenseful music intensifies]
1914
02:02:40,776 --> 02:02:41,656
[music fades]
1915
02:02:41,736 --> 02:02:43,216
They found me guilty.
1916
02:02:44,496 --> 02:02:46,296
How could they have convicted me?
1917
02:02:48,256 --> 02:02:49,736
[Michelle] I looked at Barry.
1918
02:02:50,736 --> 02:02:53,016
And the look on his face.
1919
02:02:55,576 --> 02:02:58,256
It was the most desolate look.
1920
02:03:00,975 --> 02:03:02,736
And then all hell broke loose.
1921
02:03:02,816 --> 02:03:03,736
[clamoring]
1922
02:03:03,816 --> 02:03:08,136
Late this afternoon at the Old Bailey,
Barry George was found guilty…
1923
02:03:08,216 --> 02:03:10,256
…of the murder of Jill Dando.
1924
02:03:10,336 --> 02:03:15,336
The judge told Barry George his actions
have deprived Ms. Dando's fiancé, family,
1925
02:03:15,416 --> 02:03:19,776
friends and the wider public
of a much-loved and popular personality.
1926
02:03:19,856 --> 02:03:23,536
A woman-hating loner has been
sentenced to life in jail…
1927
02:03:23,616 --> 02:03:26,616
Ending a case that shocked
the country in 1999.
1928
02:03:27,376 --> 02:03:31,616
You are unpredictable and dangerous,
and are likely to remain so for some time.
1929
02:03:31,696 --> 02:03:35,016
There can be only one sentence,
imprisonment for life.
1930
02:03:35,096 --> 02:03:38,456
[male reporter] As Barry George begins
his life sentence for the murder,
1931
02:03:38,536 --> 02:03:42,376
people are contemplating what turned him
from a relatively harmless eccentric
1932
02:03:42,456 --> 02:03:44,896
into an astonishingly
cold-blooded assassin.
1933
02:03:45,776 --> 02:03:50,256
[Jane] Barry George,
who all his life had sought fame,
1934
02:03:50,336 --> 02:03:53,016
suddenly the most famous man in Britain,
1935
02:03:53,096 --> 02:03:58,136
a fame that he probably didn't want,
but he certainly got.
1936
02:03:58,216 --> 02:03:59,816
[gripping music playing]
1937
02:04:02,736 --> 02:04:04,696
[Michael] It affected me very badly
1938
02:04:04,776 --> 02:04:08,056
because I felt
we pulled out all the stops.
1939
02:04:08,136 --> 02:04:12,856
We had really demonstrated
an extremely weak-to-non-existent case.
1940
02:04:13,536 --> 02:04:17,816
I thought, "What on earth have I done?
Have I got it right or wrong?"
1941
02:04:17,896 --> 02:04:20,976
I have no doubts, and if people were
to read the information
1942
02:04:21,056 --> 02:04:23,496
and understand the full facts,
I think, like the jury,
1943
02:04:23,576 --> 02:04:26,696
they would equally be assured
that Barry George murdered Ms. Dando.
1944
02:04:26,776 --> 02:04:30,456
That verdict of guilty
was viewed as a success.
1945
02:04:31,296 --> 02:04:33,776
On behalf of Jill's family,
I'd just like to say
1946
02:04:33,856 --> 02:04:35,936
that obviously I welcome today's verdict.
1947
02:04:36,536 --> 02:04:38,656
You'll appreciate
that these past two years
1948
02:04:38,736 --> 02:04:41,656
have been a very difficult time
for those closest to Jill.
1949
02:04:42,336 --> 02:04:45,496
But we've gained strength
from the enormous amount of goodwill
1950
02:04:45,576 --> 02:04:48,776
from people all over the country
for whom Jill meant so much.
1951
02:04:49,896 --> 02:04:51,936
[interviewer] Tell us
how you felt in that moment.
1952
02:04:52,016 --> 02:04:53,736
No, I'm not going to answer that question.
1953
02:04:54,456 --> 02:04:56,376
Because of what happens next.
1954
02:05:01,416 --> 02:05:02,896
[birds squawking]
1955
02:05:06,336 --> 02:05:08,296
[pensive music playing]
1956
02:05:15,976 --> 02:05:17,976
[Barry] I live in Ireland now.
1957
02:05:21,856 --> 02:05:23,616
It's quiet here.
1958
02:05:25,536 --> 02:05:29,496
You're treated like a scab in London,
but you're not here.
1959
02:05:29,576 --> 02:05:31,016
[birds chirping]
1960
02:05:37,416 --> 02:05:39,256
[breathing heavily]
1961
02:05:43,336 --> 02:05:44,376
[female interviewer sighs]
1962
02:05:44,456 --> 02:05:46,056
-Moment.
-[female interviewer] Oh, yeah.
1963
02:05:46,656 --> 02:05:48,656
-Refreshment break.
-Refreshments.
1964
02:05:52,776 --> 02:05:54,936
I was locked up for eight years.
1965
02:05:55,496 --> 02:06:00,216
I knew in my own conscious
I hadn't done anything of what they said.
1966
02:06:01,936 --> 02:06:05,536
I was taking everything step-by-step.
1967
02:06:06,456 --> 02:06:09,976
I was just keeping my eyes and ears open
1968
02:06:10,056 --> 02:06:16,736
and hoping what I hear, you know, is good,
1969
02:06:17,536 --> 02:06:19,816
um, and it was.
1970
02:06:29,496 --> 02:06:31,016
[man] My name is Raphael Rowe.
1971
02:06:32,296 --> 02:06:34,736
I am an investigative journalist.
1972
02:06:36,296 --> 02:06:39,576
A few years after Barry George
was convicted,
1973
02:06:39,656 --> 02:06:41,416
his sister reached out to me.
1974
02:06:41,496 --> 02:06:43,336
She was asking if I could help
1975
02:06:43,416 --> 02:06:46,736
highlight the fact that her brother
was wrongly imprisoned.
1976
02:06:47,536 --> 02:06:49,536
I was at BBC Panorama at the time,
1977
02:06:49,616 --> 02:06:51,576
but when I was 20 years old,
1978
02:06:51,656 --> 02:06:54,736
I was wrongly convicted of murder
and a series of robberies.
1979
02:06:54,816 --> 02:06:56,576
[people cheering]
1980
02:06:56,656 --> 02:07:00,456
I spent the next 12 years
in maximum security prisons.
1981
02:07:00,536 --> 02:07:02,656
I've waited a long time for this.
1982
02:07:02,736 --> 02:07:06,416
The only reason I'm standing here now
is because of my sister…
1983
02:07:06,496 --> 02:07:09,736
And Michelle was convincing.
1984
02:07:11,376 --> 02:07:13,416
You know, she sounded like my sister did
1985
02:07:13,496 --> 02:07:16,176
when my sister was saying,
"Help my brother."
1986
02:07:16,256 --> 02:07:17,576
It resonated with me.
1987
02:07:17,656 --> 02:07:21,096
[Barry on phone]
I haven't committed this crime, right?
1988
02:07:21,176 --> 02:07:22,776
I don't deserve to be here.
1989
02:07:22,856 --> 02:07:24,976
[Raphael] When I first spoke
to Barry George,
1990
02:07:25,056 --> 02:07:27,096
he was able to tell me
that he was innocent,
1991
02:07:27,176 --> 02:07:30,136
but he wasn't really able
to tell me why he was innocent.
1992
02:07:30,896 --> 02:07:33,296
[Raphael on phone]
So you didn't kill Jill Dando?
1993
02:07:33,816 --> 02:07:36,096
-[Barry] Of course not.
-[phone beeps]
1994
02:07:36,176 --> 02:07:38,496
All right, I'll go and see
if I can find out
1995
02:07:38,576 --> 02:07:40,176
whether he's telling the truth.
1996
02:07:41,976 --> 02:07:44,336
I did what I did best,
1997
02:07:45,456 --> 02:07:47,416
which is read every line
of every statement,
1998
02:07:47,496 --> 02:07:49,176
looking for inconsistencies.
1999
02:07:50,456 --> 02:07:53,336
And I was really shocked by what I found.
2000
02:07:54,736 --> 02:07:58,776
The only piece of evidence
that supposedly linked him
2001
02:07:58,856 --> 02:08:00,776
to the crime was the gunshot residue.
2002
02:08:00,856 --> 02:08:04,096
The link is there,
the jury heard that, you're guilty.
2003
02:08:04,176 --> 02:08:06,176
Why would that be in there if you didn't?
2004
02:08:07,256 --> 02:08:11,856
So, I went to America, I ended up
in Boston, speaking to the FBI,
2005
02:08:11,936 --> 02:08:16,776
who started to question
the reliability of gunshot particles
2006
02:08:16,856 --> 02:08:18,896
because it was no longer being relied on
2007
02:08:18,976 --> 02:08:23,416
in cases in America,
um, for contamination concerns.
2008
02:08:24,176 --> 02:08:26,456
So I spoke to
this ballistic expert and said,
2009
02:08:26,536 --> 02:08:29,736
"Was it from the gun that killed
Jill Dando? Was it even a gunshot?"
2010
02:08:29,816 --> 02:08:34,336
If this particle was found in a taxi,
2011
02:08:35,576 --> 02:08:38,816
uh, nobody would think
about gunshot residue.
2012
02:08:38,896 --> 02:08:41,856
[Raphael] He completely
undermined the science
2013
02:08:41,936 --> 02:08:45,496
that was relied on
at Barry George's trial.
2014
02:08:47,416 --> 02:08:51,336
At the end of my investigation,
the findings were then presented
2015
02:08:51,416 --> 02:08:53,616
to the Criminal Cases Review Commission
2016
02:08:53,696 --> 02:08:56,576
and it led to them
commissioning a new report
2017
02:08:56,656 --> 02:09:02,376
that this ballistic evidence
shouldn't be admissible as evidence
2018
02:09:02,456 --> 02:09:06,136
as to guilt or innocence
and could no longer be relied on.
2019
02:09:10,216 --> 02:09:14,576
That's when the court said,
"We dismiss the finding of guilt
2020
02:09:14,656 --> 02:09:19,056
on account of the new understanding
and appreciation of gunshot residue."
2021
02:09:19,136 --> 02:09:21,536
"So there must be a retrial."
2022
02:09:21,616 --> 02:09:23,296
[pensive music playing]
2023
02:09:26,056 --> 02:09:28,696
It was like déjà vu.
2024
02:09:28,776 --> 02:09:30,496
[reporter] Michelle arrived from Ireland,
2025
02:09:30,576 --> 02:09:34,416
after years of waiting for the evidence in
her brother's case to be reviewed again.
2026
02:09:34,496 --> 02:09:38,136
Today, we're hoping that we're going to
get justice for Barry. Thank you.
2027
02:09:39,056 --> 02:09:41,816
The judge asked for their decision.
2028
02:09:43,176 --> 02:09:46,856
And he said, "Not guilty."
2029
02:09:46,936 --> 02:09:51,336
For the first time in all of those years,
2030
02:09:51,416 --> 02:09:54,856
I let emotion show on my face.
2031
02:09:54,936 --> 02:09:59,376
We stood up and just whooped. Joy.
2032
02:09:59,456 --> 02:10:01,856
[reporters clamoring]
2033
02:10:01,936 --> 02:10:04,616
Following the verdict,
the Crown Prosecution Service said,
2034
02:10:04,696 --> 02:10:08,616
Mr. George now has the right
to be regarded as an innocent man.
2035
02:10:09,856 --> 02:10:14,176
I was still trying to get
my mind around it.
2036
02:10:14,256 --> 02:10:17,496
[male reporter] Barry George
leaving the Old Bailey
2037
02:10:17,576 --> 02:10:20,096
a free man for the first time
in eight years.
2038
02:10:20,176 --> 02:10:22,536
[Barry] I was glad to be out of there.
2039
02:10:22,616 --> 02:10:27,416
When you've got
allegations coming at you 24/7,
2040
02:10:27,496 --> 02:10:29,696
you know, no let up.
2041
02:10:31,456 --> 02:10:34,696
How, I mean, how else would you feel?
2042
02:10:35,296 --> 02:10:38,016
Barry George left the court
through the back.
2043
02:10:38,096 --> 02:10:42,336
He was bundled into a car, looking
absolutely exhausted but very relieved.
2044
02:10:42,416 --> 02:10:44,416
[all clamoring]
2045
02:10:45,736 --> 02:10:47,376
[camera shutters clicking]
2046
02:10:47,456 --> 02:10:49,136
My sister is my rock.
2047
02:10:51,296 --> 02:10:52,976
Don't tell her I said that.
2048
02:10:53,056 --> 02:10:54,656
[solemn music playing]
2049
02:10:56,456 --> 02:11:00,456
First thing I want to say is that
we're disappointed at today's verdict
2050
02:11:00,536 --> 02:11:03,856
but we're especially disappointed
for Jill's family and friends.
2051
02:11:03,936 --> 02:11:06,336
[Hamish] Do I think he should have
been found not guilty?
2052
02:11:06,416 --> 02:11:09,536
We accept and respect the decision
of the court this afternoon.
2053
02:11:09,616 --> 02:11:14,496
I thought the guilty verdict in 2001
was the correct verdict.
2054
02:11:15,496 --> 02:11:17,816
We will reflect upon today's verdict
2055
02:11:18,656 --> 02:11:21,896
and reconsider
what the next steps will be.
2056
02:11:21,976 --> 02:11:22,976
Thank you very much.
2057
02:11:23,056 --> 02:11:25,256
[male reporter] A huge embarrassment
for the police?
2058
02:11:25,336 --> 02:11:26,176
Thank you.
2059
02:11:26,296 --> 02:11:29,056
Barry George tonight walks free.
2060
02:11:29,136 --> 02:11:30,496
But the question remains,
2061
02:11:30,576 --> 02:11:33,776
if he did not kill Jill Dando,
then who did?
2062
02:11:34,456 --> 02:11:36,296
[pensive music playing]
2063
02:11:44,456 --> 02:11:47,656
I think it's really interesting,
after his acquittal
2064
02:11:47,736 --> 02:11:51,136
there has been no more
serious investigation into,
2065
02:11:51,216 --> 02:11:52,456
into Jill Dando's death.
2066
02:11:53,656 --> 02:11:57,576
I think as far as the police
were concerned, it was case closed.
2067
02:11:59,176 --> 02:12:03,976
It's been in the news or subject
to comment and report
2068
02:12:04,056 --> 02:12:05,816
every year for 23 years.
2069
02:12:06,656 --> 02:12:08,656
I think people like a mystery.
2070
02:12:08,736 --> 02:12:10,736
But I don't think it's a mystery at all.
2071
02:12:18,296 --> 02:12:21,176
[female interviewer] If I was to
say to you, did you kill Jill Dando?
2072
02:12:21,256 --> 02:12:23,176
-What would you say?
-Simply no.
2073
02:12:28,016 --> 02:12:34,456
It makes me angry that they've taken
eight years of my life… away.
2074
02:12:35,456 --> 02:12:37,936
They just basically persecuted me.
2075
02:12:38,016 --> 02:12:39,816
[pensive music playing]
2076
02:12:41,336 --> 02:12:44,696
[male interviewer] Do you think
that Barry George killed Jill Dando?
2077
02:12:44,776 --> 02:12:46,376
I did, yes.
2078
02:12:48,416 --> 02:12:50,136
[male interviewer] But do you now?
2079
02:12:50,776 --> 02:12:52,536
I don't think I've changed my mind.
2080
02:12:53,936 --> 02:12:56,736
If anybody in this documentary
who you interview,
2081
02:12:56,816 --> 02:12:58,936
uh, says that Barry George did it,
2082
02:12:59,016 --> 02:13:03,296
I think they need to
see somebody, get help.
2083
02:13:03,376 --> 02:13:07,296
They wasted all those resources
they had, uh, on this guy,
2084
02:13:07,376 --> 02:13:11,256
when the real perpetrator is free
2085
02:13:11,336 --> 02:13:15,736
and having dinner somewhere.
You know, it's just ridiculous.
2086
02:13:18,336 --> 02:13:23,136
Barry George had been acquitted by a jury,
which is the seal of innocence.
2087
02:13:23,816 --> 02:13:27,096
And the police say, "We're not looking
for anybody else. We got it right."
2088
02:13:27,176 --> 02:13:30,216
Well, sorry, the file
should still be open on this case.
2089
02:13:31,496 --> 02:13:33,216
They should be looking.
2090
02:13:33,296 --> 02:13:38,896
The public also know where
there hasn't been any resolution.
2091
02:13:38,976 --> 02:13:43,176
So it makes sense
they want to examine it themselves.
2092
02:13:45,336 --> 02:13:47,856
-[gripping music playing]
-[keyboard clacking]
2093
02:13:48,496 --> 02:13:49,376
[mouse clicks]
2094
02:13:53,016 --> 02:13:56,416
What happened that morning remains
a mystery, the crime unsolved,
2095
02:13:56,496 --> 02:13:58,336
her killer never held to justice.
2096
02:13:59,376 --> 02:14:01,296
[Nigel] There have been
a number of stories
2097
02:14:01,376 --> 02:14:04,216
about perhaps this
had something to do with Jill,
2098
02:14:04,296 --> 02:14:06,496
perhaps that
had something to do with Jill.
2099
02:14:06,576 --> 02:14:09,056
Big story for one day
and then it goes away.
2100
02:14:09,136 --> 02:14:11,896
And really, I just shrug
my shoulders at them.
2101
02:14:11,976 --> 02:14:14,656
Uh, they don't have legs,
they don't seem to travel.
2102
02:14:14,736 --> 02:14:18,296
Uh, they make a headline for 24 hours
and then they're forgotten about.
2103
02:14:19,696 --> 02:14:22,936
[Raphael] The theories that have surfaced
2104
02:14:23,016 --> 02:14:27,696
over the years in this case,
that Jill Dando was looking into something
2105
02:14:27,776 --> 02:14:33,256
that may have been, um, one of the reasons
somebody wanted to silence her,
2106
02:14:33,336 --> 02:14:35,256
just doesn't wash with me.
2107
02:14:35,336 --> 02:14:37,816
She wouldn't have been doing it alone
2108
02:14:37,896 --> 02:14:41,216
and it would in fact make those
who survived the assassination
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02:14:41,296 --> 02:14:47,576
be all the more determined to expose
whatever that secret investigation was.
2110
02:14:47,656 --> 02:14:51,056
You hear of such terrible people
in this world doing terrible things
2111
02:14:51,136 --> 02:14:54,176
and that's what worries me,
is the mentality of some people
2112
02:14:54,256 --> 02:14:56,256
that can actually do those awful things.
2113
02:14:56,336 --> 02:15:00,016
[male interviewer] Have you got an inkling
as to who… who was responsible?
2114
02:15:00,536 --> 02:15:03,376
I don't really want to talk about that
for my own safety.
2115
02:15:04,176 --> 02:15:06,936
But there are rumors
in the criminal world who done it,
2116
02:15:07,016 --> 02:15:08,176
let's put it that way.
2117
02:15:09,456 --> 02:15:12,896
And it's not who you'd think
and it's not Barry George.
2118
02:15:14,336 --> 02:15:15,696
It was a professional hit.
2119
02:15:15,776 --> 02:15:17,416
[intriguing music paying]
2120
02:15:18,496 --> 02:15:21,616
Can you give any insight into why?
2121
02:15:21,696 --> 02:15:26,536
No. No, if I tell you why,
you'd know who done it. So, no.
2122
02:15:26,616 --> 02:15:29,216
[woman] What advice you have for
up-and-coming journalists?
2123
02:15:29,296 --> 02:15:31,976
When I was on the local paper,
I'd go to council meetings,
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02:15:32,056 --> 02:15:35,216
interview the couple celebrating
their golden wedding anniversary.
2125
02:15:35,296 --> 02:15:37,296
You learn what real people
are really like.
2126
02:15:37,376 --> 02:15:41,096
I think being a good journalist is about
getting under the skin of people.
2127
02:15:41,176 --> 02:15:46,896
As a journalist,
unsolved crimes play on your mind.
2128
02:15:46,976 --> 02:15:50,856
For me to be sitting here
24 years on and saying
2129
02:15:50,936 --> 02:15:55,696
that we still do not know
who killed Jill Dando
2130
02:15:55,776 --> 02:15:59,656
is just mind-boggling to me.
2131
02:15:59,736 --> 02:16:03,096
Crimewatch has results. You go on air
and about ten minutes later,
2132
02:16:03,176 --> 02:16:06,656
the phones are ringing, people are
ringing in with all sorts of suggestions.
2133
02:16:06,736 --> 02:16:10,216
I've had 20 years of people
coming up to me
2134
02:16:10,296 --> 02:16:13,416
and asking me the questions
that I'm answering now.
2135
02:16:13,496 --> 02:16:16,536
Uh, and I'm okay with that,
I'm fine with that.
2136
02:16:16,616 --> 02:16:22,856
I also believe and hope that one day,
uh, there will be an answer to it.
2137
02:16:23,616 --> 02:16:27,696
Whether any new evidence
will come forward. I hope it will.
2138
02:16:27,776 --> 02:16:30,136
Uh, but we'll just have to wait and see,
2139
02:16:30,976 --> 02:16:33,456
until the day that the police
come along and say,
2140
02:16:33,536 --> 02:16:37,096
"Right, okay, we've now got
enough evidence to nail Jill's killer."
2141
02:16:37,976 --> 02:16:41,256
[girl] Do you ever get worried
about things you see on Crimewatch?
2142
02:16:41,336 --> 02:16:42,496
[Jill] Oh, yes, you do.
2143
02:16:42,576 --> 02:16:45,696
But at the end of the day
the crimes that we show are so rare.
2144
02:16:45,776 --> 02:16:48,176
It's not something
that you walk out into the street
2145
02:16:48,256 --> 02:16:50,856
and think, "The same thing's
going to happen to me."
2146
02:16:52,936 --> 02:16:54,936
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