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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,200 More of that in a moment, but here's Jill with something else. 2 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Struggling away, hello. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,520 Uh… 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,640 [Jill Dando] Television in some way had always fascinated me from the year dot. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,040 I was about eight years old and I'd have my four library tickets 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,000 and go to the library and get books about television. 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,640 [female reporter] Good morning. 8 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,720 You're watching the BBC's Breakfast News at 6:30. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,120 It took me I suppose, um, until I was about 25 to get inside. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,080 [woman 1] Jill Dando. 11 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:39,520 [man 1] Jill was the most famous TV presenter on British television. 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,360 [woman 2] The golden girl of British television, 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,120 murdered on her doorstep in broad daylight. 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,080 That just does not happen. 15 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,640 [woman 3] I think anyone who has got a little bit of fame 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,000 knows that there are two sides to it. 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,120 You get a lot of unwanted attention. 18 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,200 Strange people. Obsessive. 19 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,400 You kind of look over your shoulder a bit. 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,600 People all over are joining again 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,760 to solve some of Britain's most difficult and serious crimes. 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,400 [woman 2] Crimewatch had a fantastic reputation 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,840 for putting information out there 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,760 and getting people to ring in with critical pieces of evidence. 25 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,840 If you harbor any suspicions, do call. So many clues and so much anguish. 26 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,120 Do you ever get worried about the things you see on Crimewatch? 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,760 Oh. Yes, you do. But the crimes that we show are so rare. 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,280 It's not something that you walk into the street 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,920 and think, "The same thing's going to happen to me." 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,000 [woman 3] There was reason to be scared. 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,000 [man 2] It takes a certain sort of person, 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,560 a brutal sadistic psychopath, to shoot a gun into a head. 33 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,280 This was one of the largest murder investigations 34 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,440 the Metropolitan Police ever had to face. 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,000 [man 1] It's been 22 years and it's unsolved. 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,400 Whoever did it is still out there. 37 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,920 [theme music playing] 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,600 One of Britain's most popular television presenters has been murdered 39 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,680 in what could be a professional hit. 40 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,640 The tributes here on the flowers echo the overriding reaction of shock… 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,479 [man 1] Even the Queen has been moved to comment, saying she is shocked… 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,440 [man 2] Police say there are many possible motives for the murder. 43 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,640 [man 3] …responsible for solving so many crimes 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,480 may have created enemies in the process. 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,760 [woman 1] The Crimewatch presenter may have been assassinated in retaliation 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,760 for the NATO bombing of the Belgrade. 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,000 [man 4] Detectives confirm that Jill Dando 48 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,280 had claimed of being followed by a stalker. 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,320 [woman 2] A man who has gone on trial in London 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,720 had an obsession with celebrities and was fascinated with firearms. 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,840 [man 5] Detectives say they're not ruling out any line of inquiry. 52 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:42,600 Some believe the killer may have got away with murder. 53 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,040 [somber music playing] 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,320 [phone ringing] 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:57,760 [man] Ambulance service, hello? 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,680 [woman] Hello, ambulance? I'm walking along Gowan Avenue. 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,680 It looks like, um, there's somebody collapsed. 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,680 And, confidentially, it looks like it's Jill Dando. 59 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,720 And she's collapsed on her doorstep. There's a lot of blood. 60 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,160 [man] Can you approach and check that she's breathing? 61 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,640 -[woman] Doesn't look like she is. -[man] Right. 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,720 [woman] Blood's coming from her nose, her arms are blue. 63 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,800 [man] I need to find out if she needs… if she's breathing. 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,200 Is the lady's chest going up and down? 65 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,600 [woman] Oh, my God. No. I don't think she's alive. 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:28,920 -[man] Okay. -I'm sorry. 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,240 [man] Don't worry. I'll get help for you. 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,240 [woman] Please. 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,040 [man] I was on call for the central London murder group. 70 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,240 [phone ringing] 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,120 We had been busy, we were under-resourced. 72 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,800 And I was told by my detective sergeant 73 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,880 that there had been a stabbing down in Fulham. 74 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,640 [siren wailing] 75 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Fulham was a well-to-do, wealthy area. 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,440 So it was unusual for that reason. 77 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,840 Very unusual. 78 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,800 I was driving down there 79 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600 and I got a phone call from my chief superintendent. 80 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,200 [cell phone ringing] 81 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:19,800 And he said to me, "That case, that's going to be Jill Dando." 82 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,079 In most homicide cases, 83 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,959 the detectives would not have known their victim at all, 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,200 but in this case, almost everybody knew of Jill Dando. 85 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,360 [ambulance siren wailing] 86 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,960 There was an ambulance coming up the Fulham Road as we were going down, 87 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,000 and I realized that was her being taken away from the scene. 88 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,720 [woman] It was a lovely spring day… 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,120 and I was reading the bulletins, the news summaries. 90 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,960 The next scheduled bulletin is at 2:40. 91 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,920 I had put on a rather nice blue suit. 92 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 Well, one actually that came from the designers 93 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,680 that Jill and I used to go to together. 94 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:10,640 [indistinct chatter] 95 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,880 And everything was fine in the newsroom, which is a buzzy, noisy, vibrant place. 96 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,320 [man] …page 45. Tell me what promos you're running? 97 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,680 And then the news came in that a woman had been killed. 98 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,040 And these rumors started going around the newsroom that it was Jill. 99 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,200 And it went terribly quiet. 100 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,040 -[siren wailing] -[gripping music playing] 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,800 [indistinct police radio chatter] 102 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,720 [Hamish Campbell] When I arrived, I was briefed by the uniformed officers. 103 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,920 And they told me that no one had seen what had actually happened to Jill. 104 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,760 But they had already identified two witnesses 105 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,720 who had seen a man leaving the scene. 106 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,000 And they described this white man, dark hair, thick-set, 107 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:08,520 wearing a coat, a dark coat, wasn't masked, wasn't wearing gloves. 108 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,120 So the real focus right there was how the person 109 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,160 who had been seen running away was to be caught. 110 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,120 Uniformed officers were told to spread out and search the area. 111 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,560 We were waiting for information from the hospital 112 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,320 because there was no confirmation that Jill had died. 113 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:41,480 That changed very quickly when I stood on the pavement 114 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,520 and just looked from the gate, 115 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,440 up to the front door of Jill's house. 116 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,840 And I could see the bullet and casing on the doorstep. 117 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,480 Jill Dando had been shot in the head. 118 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,920 It was immediately sort of unfathomable. 119 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,520 The concept of any woman being shot in the head in London, 120 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,040 yet alone a celebrity, was rare in the extreme. 121 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,680 [indistinct chatter] 122 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,840 The media are already up at the top cordon. 123 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,760 I knew then that the media interest was going to be extraordinary. 124 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,640 [ambulance siren wailing] 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,800 [male doctor] Jill Dando arrived here by ambulance at 12:30 p.m. 126 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Despite all efforts by ambulance paramedics and hospital medical staff, 127 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,840 she was certified dead at 1:03 p.m. 128 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:42,000 The newsroom was cold with… with shock. 129 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,720 Real shock. 130 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,160 We're people who are used to reporting 131 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,480 on all sorts of deaths, disasters, wars. 132 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,360 But to have one of your own… 133 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,360 [laughing] I'm sorry. It's just I was… 134 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,520 [Jennie] One of your very, very own, 135 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:08,440 killed in that manner on her own doorstep was just too awful to believe. 136 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,840 [somber music playing] 137 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,280 And I… I had to read it. 138 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,520 [man] Jill was 37. 139 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,240 [Jennie] I remember a boss saying to me, "Are you going to be okay doing this?" 140 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,120 And I said, yeah, I'll be okay. 141 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,400 [man] Jill was 37. 142 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,240 Pete, I'm telling you she was 37. 143 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,280 All right. 144 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,760 [man] I told her, she was 37. 145 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,760 She was exactly two years younger than me. She was 37. 146 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,080 What shall I say? 147 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:42,000 [man] I'm telling you, she was definitely 37. Definitely. 148 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Here we go. 149 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Within the past few minutes, police have confirmed 150 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,680 that the BBC television presenter Jill Dando has been stabbed to death 151 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,520 outside her west London home. 152 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,040 She died in the ambulance on her way to hospital. 153 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,280 There are no more details at the moment. 154 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,320 The next scheduled bulletin is at 2:40. 155 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,240 [intriguing music playing] 156 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,200 I was working in the, uh, Bristol office 157 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,720 of the Bristol Evening Post. 158 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:28,880 And our newsroom had a bank of TV screens. 159 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Our BBC colleague Jill Dando has died 160 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,680 after being attacked outside her London home. 161 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,520 [Nigel] Reports were coming out that she had died. 162 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,200 I clicked into sort of automatic mode. 163 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,640 I thought I need to protect my dad from this. 164 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:47,720 I rushed down to Weston-super-Mare. 165 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,840 He was obviously devastated. 166 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,120 I was wondering how we were going to cope with all this. 167 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,000 About half an hour after I had got down to Weston, 168 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,160 the TV reporter from BBC Points West knocked on the door. I knew him. 169 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,040 And I sort of slipped back into journalistic mode. 170 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,520 I gave him an interview. 171 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,360 [man] When did you last see her? Was it… 172 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,240 I saw her on, um… Easter Sunday. 173 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,520 It would've been about two, three weeks ago. 174 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,800 Yeah, she was on good form. Um, looking forward to her wedding. 175 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,720 It was a sense of emptiness and a sense of despair. 176 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,280 And I had to explain to my dad what had happened, 177 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,920 what was going to happen. 178 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,440 That we were kind of going to be in the eye of a storm. 179 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,000 [helicopter hovering] 180 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,800 [tense music playing] 181 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,760 [male reporter] The police search is well underway now, Alan. 182 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,600 There are a minimum of 30 detectives. 183 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,840 You can see behind me the operation in front of Jill's home. 184 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,120 [Hamish] All the resources came. 185 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,400 The ballistics experts, the blood experts, the scene photographers. 186 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,000 The scene itself had been heavily contaminated. 187 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,200 Because there had been attempts to resuscitate. 188 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,320 But everything was picked up, relevant or not, scrapings, gravel. 189 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,840 Fingerprint marks from the gate. 190 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,280 Fibers. 191 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,120 We had a bullet and a cartridge casing on the doorstep. 192 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,680 The ballistics expert told me it was a single shot 193 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,240 to the left side of her head. 194 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Some thought like a professional execution. 195 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:49,040 And that bullet and casing on the doorstep were from a 9mm caliber weapon. 196 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:53,200 The search teams arrived. 197 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,240 The whole of Gowan Avenue was searched. 198 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,440 Bins, gardens, flowerbeds, shrubs. 199 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,400 Looking to see if the gun had been discarded or anything had been discarded. 200 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,520 We identified some of the key witnesses. 201 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,000 The postman, a sort of Mediterranean-looking man, 202 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,200 just after ten o'clock on the opposite side of the road to Jill's house, 203 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,880 and a witness claimed he saw a man running across the road 204 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,600 and he stopped at the bus stop. 205 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,920 And he was sweating. 206 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,080 [suspenseful music playing] 207 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,800 There was a traffic warden, 208 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,760 and she was about to give a ticket to the driver of a blue Range Rover, 209 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,680 and as she was starting to write the ticket out, 210 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,960 he brushed her off and he drove away. 211 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,720 So, I didn't know at the time 212 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,400 whether there was one person involved or two or three. 213 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,120 Everybody in that street on that day had to be eliminated out 214 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:49,600 as much as possible. 215 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,800 [vehicles honking] 216 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,080 [birds squawking] 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,960 [gripping music playing] 218 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,760 The next day's newspapers were absolutely rammed with stories about the murder. 219 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,760 It was the only story in town. 220 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,680 On a sad morning, we'll be talking about poor Jill Dando. 221 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,000 The shocking loss of one of Britain's best-known personalities 222 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,120 drew many tributes. 223 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,480 In London, police are investigating a murder 224 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,760 that has shocked the television-viewing public. 225 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,480 [reporter 1] Jill Dando was, in the opinion of many in Britain, 226 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:29,720 second only to Princess Diana 227 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,560 in terms of public affection. 228 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Jill Dando was someone who was known to, virtually, everybody in this country. 229 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:40,440 [reporter 2] Even the Queen has been moved to comment, 230 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,640 saying she is shocked and saddened. 231 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,760 [woman] Following the death of Princess Diana, 232 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,400 I would say that Jill Dando's murder 233 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,800 was the biggest story that we will ever report on. 234 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,520 [indistinct chatter] 235 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,080 Female journalists of my generation were shaken by it 236 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,360 because we saw ourselves in Jill. 237 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Jill had been a journalist. She loved the press. 238 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,360 She was good to us, she respected us, she knew we were doing a job 239 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,440 and we wanted as much as the police 240 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,000 to find out who did it because she was one of us. 241 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,840 [gripping music playing] 242 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,880 I was the crime correspondent at the Daily Mirror. 243 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,680 I can remember discussing it with… with my news editor. 244 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,600 And him saying to me, "So, what do you think about this?" 245 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,840 He said, it must be something with Crimewatch. 246 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,400 Well, not necessarily, hold your horses. 247 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,240 One of the pieces of information coming in from one of our reporters on the ground 248 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,000 was that they'd found a neighbor to Jill's house in Gowan Avenue 249 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,080 who'd heard a scream. 250 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,280 -[reporter] Did you hear a man's voice? -No man's voice at all. 251 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,080 -Did you hear a shot or did you-- -There was no shots. 252 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,240 From what I'd say was a shot, I didn't think there was a shot, no. 253 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,320 [reporter] From your assessment, what did you hear? 254 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,760 I did hear… a scream. 255 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,120 I had a private conversation 256 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,840 with one of the members of the murder squad. 257 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,480 He said we cannot find any witnesses, any neighbors, 258 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,800 anybody who was in the area at the time who actually heard a gunshot. 259 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,080 We don't have the gun. We don't have anybody who saw the gun. 260 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,280 But this weapon could have had a silencer on it. 261 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:31,960 Unlike in the movies, 262 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,680 a silencer on a gun is a very rare piece of equipment in real life. 263 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,960 So, automatically, that suggestion steered us in the direction 264 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,400 that maybe this was a professional job. 265 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Somebody asked the question, is this an assassination? 266 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,320 Is this an execution? 267 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Like a political murder or an organized crime murder? 268 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,880 So all the theories about, you know, the who, the what, the why, 269 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,360 were starting to stack up. 270 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,960 [male reporter] Jill Dando was left dying on the doorstep of her home. 271 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,520 Revenge, perhaps, for her role as a crime reporter who helps jail top criminals. 272 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,200 Everyone had a view on how Jill Dando was murdered and who was responsible. 273 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,280 [intriguing music playing] 274 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,240 Back to the office, I held a meeting with the team. 275 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,360 I said, there's a danger of us being swept up with the media hype. 276 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,480 And reminded them that, with any murder investigation, 277 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,600 the victim was a key element to try to solve the case. 278 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,480 So we needed to look at Jill's life. 279 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:52,960 Who is Jill 280 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,920 and who were the persons closest to her and nearer to her? 281 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,040 I don't, I'm afraid. 282 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 I'm one of these people who what you see is what you get. 283 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,720 I don't think I've got any skeletons in the cupboard. 284 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,960 [audience laughing] 285 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,240 [children chattering] 286 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,359 [Nigel] I was nine years old when Jill was born in 1961. 287 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,440 Quite often on a Sunday as a family, 288 00:17:29,319 --> 00:17:31,280 we'd go down for a picnic on the beach. 289 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,320 Do you remember those sand-blown lettuce sandwiches? 290 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,320 [laughs] 291 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,120 They were part of the staple diet 292 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,400 of summers growing up in Weston-super-Mare. 293 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,000 [nostalgic music playing] 294 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,640 There wasn't much money around. 295 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,880 We didn't have exotic holidays like that. 296 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,040 I wonder whether she actually had a passport 297 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,640 before she was offered the job as, uh, presenting the Holiday program. 298 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,960 [imperceptible] 299 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,040 It was almost preordained that she was going to become a journalist. 300 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,720 Well, she was interested in words and, um, she was more outgoing than I was. 301 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,040 I'd whisper in her ear occasionally saying, "Why are you still in Weston?" 302 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:12,680 "Why don't you look for jobs around the place?" 303 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,600 Thirty years ago, a computer capable of similar calculations 304 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,120 wouldn't have fitted into a building this size. 305 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,560 It would have been full of… 306 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,120 [Nigel] She got a job as a journalist on BBC Spotlight, based in Plymouth. 307 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,280 And then became a presenter. 308 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,880 They do mention the ethics committee refusing this idea. 309 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,440 They've said no more sisters are going to be donors. 310 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,120 [Nigel] She was so polished and so professional. 311 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,920 …Fisherman depend is in deep financial trouble. 312 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,520 [Nigel] But at the same time retaining a natural warmth about her. 313 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,080 [laughing] 314 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,720 Sort of a twinkle in her eye. 315 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,080 Her performances on Spotlight 316 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,920 caught the attention of the producers at BBC Breakfast. 317 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,040 [man] …television made, is going up the line to Breakfast Time. 318 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,960 [Nigel] The world by then was her oyster. 319 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,840 -I must just-- -How many times have I done this now? 320 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,480 Thank you very much. Oh, God. [laughs] 321 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,280 -We wish you well, my darling. -Thank you. 322 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:10,520 You better say goodnight for the last time. 323 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,000 Good night from here and good morning from London on Monday. 324 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,880 [producer] Page 45. Now, would you tell me what promos you're running? 325 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,720 Give me that. Just hold on a second. 326 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,120 No, Bob, I've got to know now. 327 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,920 Run the first one. I'll confirm in a couple of seconds. 328 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:26,800 I'm Bob Wheaton. 329 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,040 At that time, I was, uh, running the six o'clock news. 330 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,560 I can remember. 331 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:39,760 There I was sitting at the desk. 332 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,240 I'm ready to get the six o'clock news of the day prepared. 333 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,200 And there on, um, BBC Breakfast Time… 334 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,600 -Dementia has found more evidence… -…was Jill. 335 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,320 …possible link with aluminum levels… 336 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,600 [Bob] Hadn't seen her before. 337 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,080 [Jill] The study, published in… 338 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,160 She had a good face for television. 339 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,560 While Frank Bruno's been preparing for his fight… 340 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,080 [Bob] Her voice, beautiful, a classless English voice. 341 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,920 …tussling with a television crew in Canada. 342 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,120 She was a total natural. 343 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,360 Winds of up to 100 miles an hour… 344 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,240 [Bob] She shone and I knew she was gonna go places. 345 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,120 But I think how you look does matter. 346 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,800 And she'd arrived from provinces looking like a regional girl. 347 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,600 I'd looked at her and said to her, "You need to sort the way your hair is, 348 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,000 you need to wear the right clothes." She'd put on a lot of weight. 349 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,440 And, you know, she was advised that she needed to look right. 350 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,320 At the time she had curly, permed hair. 351 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,880 Um, brown. 352 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,440 And she wanted a different look. 353 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,360 I think I suggested that we cut this short and, uh, see where we go with it. 354 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,000 And she said, "I'm going to be on television. Should I ask my producer?" 355 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,240 And I went, "No, probably not a good idea." 356 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,800 [indistinct chatter] 357 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,600 [device beeping] 358 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,920 The government's £3.25 billion package to keep down the poll tax 359 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,640 has been welcomed by Conservative backbenchers. 360 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,840 [Martyn] It became quite a signature look. 361 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,440 And in many ways I think people saw Jill as a TV Diana. 362 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,520 [indistinct chatter] 363 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,160 At that time, Diana would come down 364 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,680 and we would probably do the occasional blow-dry. 365 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,560 [male interviewer] Who had the haircut first? 366 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,440 Jill. 367 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,280 [Bob] Her hair was right. She had lost a lot of weight. 368 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:38,240 Her diction was perfect. She had a charm about the way she presented the news. 369 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,880 Well, a fine weekend in prospects. 370 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,240 And people regarded her as a girl next door 371 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,240 who was giving them, uh, the authority of BBC News and it was a good package. 372 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,480 I suppose in celebrating the success, we got closer. 373 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,760 And, uh, eventually we became involved. 374 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,920 [Jennie] Jill got involved with Bob very early on, 375 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,680 so that was always quite-- I don't want to say this on camera. 376 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,320 It was a difficult situation. She was… She was with the boss. 377 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,880 I think the top will probably be South Africa again. 378 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,280 Today, or rather today… 379 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,760 [Jon] I always thought it was a very strange relationship 380 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,480 because she was so freewheeling… 381 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,280 Just hanging fine… 382 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:24,920 And he was quite a control freak, but in a very quiet way. 383 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,560 There was no bad word said, it was like I, you know… 384 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,600 "Shh. Let me explain. This is what it is." 385 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,160 It was that kind of relationship. 386 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,880 …section which has got library film and graphics and so on. 387 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,960 Jill was at the top of her game. 388 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,880 She'd choose what she wanted to do. 389 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,280 [crowd cheering, applauding] 390 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,360 I was brought in as a young journalist, I think I was about 23. 391 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,400 [pensive music playing] 392 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,200 I really looked up to Jill. 393 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,280 Um, she was absolutely where I wanted to end up. 394 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,720 The headlines this morning… 395 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,680 [Anastasia] But it was really hard. 396 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,040 It was difficult not to feel a bit of an imposter. 397 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,640 [Jill] Could we have? I wouldn't mind some scripts. 398 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,000 [Anastasia] Sitting next to these alpha males, 399 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,840 sometimes she was made to feel inferior. 400 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,960 So often when he's talking to ladies who say 401 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,680 it's harder for us in broadcasting. 402 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,600 And I keep thinking, absolute nonsense, I mean, you know, 403 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,560 if you're a good-looking woman, then it is not difficult. 404 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,160 -It, well… -It is easier. 405 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,840 No. I think people expect more of women, that's the trouble, you know… 406 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,240 As Jill's, uh, career is advancing, 407 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,160 one of the problems that she had, 408 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,880 all the women had, was that it was a very male-dominated company. 409 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,280 To be absolutely honest, it was quite misogynistic. 410 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,120 All sorts of men will be regarded as controlling 411 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,360 because men are especially… Tough editors are tough sometimes. 412 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,120 But controlling in a way which is detrimental to the relationship 413 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,520 or to the person, not at all. 414 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,920 [intriguing music playing] 415 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,080 The reality is, most people are killed by someone they know. 416 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,800 The people in her inner circle were Alan Farthing, her fiancé. 417 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,840 Her previous partner for, who had been her partner for some years, seven years. 418 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,280 Mr. Wheaton. 419 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,640 And her business agent, Mr. Roseman. 420 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,160 They had to be seen and interviewed and eliminated primarily by alibi. 421 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,920 If you could show you were somewhere else on the 26th of April, in that time frame, 422 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,800 you can't be the murderer. 423 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,160 But it doesn't necessarily remove yourself from somehow arranging for her murder, 424 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,880 if that was the situation. 425 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,960 [indistinct chatter] 426 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,000 First of all I wanted to ask how you're coping at the moment. 427 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,440 I think I'm coping in the same way as 428 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,480 anybody else would cope under the circumstances. 429 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,920 I'm devastated. 430 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,280 Everybody around me is devastated. 431 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,000 -[indistinct clamoring] -Hi. 432 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,880 [indistinct conversation] 433 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,120 [Alan] I cannot understand why they would want to kill 434 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,800 -somebody as gentle… -This was my mother's… 435 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,040 …kind, well-meaning and 436 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:27,760 as perfect a person as Jill. 437 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,680 Yes. 438 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,640 The best daytime television program. 439 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,560 [Nigel] I'll always remember it. 440 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,360 We were in the back of a limousine following Jill's coffin. 441 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,200 There were just thousands of people who'd come out. 442 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Weston just stopped. 443 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,120 [melancholy music playing] 444 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560 I didn't know her personally, but I thought I'd like to be here. 445 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,240 [woman] Diana was our rose, but Jill was our sunflower. 446 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,880 I can't say any more. 447 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,200 [male reporter] A hundred or so people were invited to the church. 448 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,000 Many of her friends worked with her at the BBC. 449 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,000 The coffin arrived at the church at three o'clock. 450 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280 It was accompanied by her brother, Nigel. 451 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,280 Her father, Jack. 452 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,480 And, of course, by the man she would have married this September, 453 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,400 her fiancé, Alan Farthing. 454 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,680 [Martyn] When Jill met Alan, it was quite a life-changing moment for her. 455 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,640 A moment that she'd thought about and had dreams of for quite a while. 456 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,840 She'd announced her engagement. 457 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,920 She should have been in a church getting married, you know, 458 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,200 and here she was in a church being buried. 459 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,720 [priest] Life was entering a new, exciting, fulfilling age. 460 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,480 Until that fateful moment, 461 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,640 Jill, the beautiful girl next door, 462 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,080 known to every family in the country, was shot dead. 463 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,880 And then everyone was asking the question, "Why?" 464 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,040 [Hamish] Some of my key thinking about it was, 465 00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,680 if someone deliberately set out to kill her, 466 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,600 why would they choose to kill her? What was to be gained from that? 467 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,880 What benefit would anybody accrue from killing Jill Dando? 468 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,720 And then Alan Farthing mentioned that a large sum of money, 469 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,400 over £30,000, £35,000, 470 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,080 was given by Jill to Mr. Wheaton. 471 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,720 [intriguing music playing] 472 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,640 So, that had to be investigated as to why that sum of money had been given over. 473 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,560 [Bob] After the funeral, the police came to see me. 474 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,600 And one of the policemen goes, "Well, we've had this report 475 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,160 that you owed her quite a lot of money, 476 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,560 um, and you still owed it to her when she died." 477 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,160 "Uh, would you like to explain that?" 478 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,520 I said, "Yeah. Yeah. I'm quite happy to do that." 479 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,720 [intriguing music playing] 480 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,760 And you sort of feel, gosh, you know, the light is on me here. 481 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600 They wanted to know about how we met, 482 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,640 um, how long we'd been together, uh, how did we break up. 483 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,720 And yes, she had contributed towards me buying my house by the river. 484 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,880 I said, I had a mortgage, um, but there was a small shortfall. 485 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800 I could've had a bigger mortgage, but she wanted to share 486 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,520 because we were then sharing the house together. 487 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,480 And by the way, I do not need that much money that badly. 488 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,680 I can show you the evidence of why, and I took him to my computer, 489 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,800 went into my bank account and showed him, um, that I had quite a lot of money. 490 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,920 She was generous to everybody, including me. 491 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,120 We loved each other. 492 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720 I wouldn't have ever thought of doing something like that. 493 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:42,360 To have lost somebody with whom, uh, I had spent valuable, interesting, 494 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,320 important and enjoyable years was a massive blow. 495 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,440 [pensive music playing] 496 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,800 [Hamish] Well, the things that are innocuous can appear suspicious. 497 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,120 I think it was just a gift from Jill to Mr. Wheaton. 498 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,480 You know, you talk about things in detail 499 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440 but when following death, things can emerge, 500 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,520 but they're almost tittle-tattle, gossip, salacious or otherwise. 501 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,240 But it doesn't move you into the realm of responsibility for killing someone. 502 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,560 We concluded that he was… 503 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,840 he had nothing to do with the murder at all. 504 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,560 And we needed to sift out all that noise 505 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,880 and try to really focus on basic principles 506 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,520 before getting carried away further and further down different avenues. 507 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160 Jill didn't live at 29 Gowan Avenue. 508 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,880 She lived with her fiancé, further out in West London. 509 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,320 We knew she visited Gowan Avenue rarely and stayed overnight even more rarely. 510 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,520 So to know that Jill would turn up at 29 Gowan Avenue 511 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,040 on Monday morning by 11:30, 512 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,800 you would have to have been following her. 513 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,280 -[suspenseful music playing] -[device beeping] 514 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,120 [detective inspector] I was the deputy on the inquiry. 515 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,760 It was a painstaking process. 516 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,720 Two officers going through 517 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,960 the many hundreds of hours of CCTV. 518 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,200 There were thousands of people to eliminate from the inquiry. 519 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,680 Nothing would be discounted until each had been evaluated 520 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,920 to a degree by one of the team. 521 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,720 There was over 190 CCTV and cameras in the surrounding streets. 522 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,280 Four hundred and thirty hours of viewing time. 523 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,640 And from that we established Jill's movements on the 26th of April. 524 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,680 Started from Alan Farthing's home. 525 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,600 [suspenseful music playing] 526 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,600 She stopped at a petrol station. 527 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,360 Filled the car with petrol. 528 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,320 And then she left the petrol station and she went into Hammersmith town center. 529 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,200 Went to at least two shops, maybe three, to buy some fax paper or copying paper. 530 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,680 She returned to her car. 531 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400 Then she left Hammersmith and travelled south down to Fulham Road. 532 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,880 Then she got down to near Gowan Avenue, 533 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,640 parked right outside her house. 534 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,000 And then she walked up the gateway. 535 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,600 And killed at the doorstep. 536 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,320 [Ian] It was simply a matter of just plodding through everything. 537 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,360 And we can categorically say, 100%, that she wasn't followed. 538 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440 So, how did the killer know 539 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,320 that she was going to be at Gowan Avenue that morning? 540 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,640 And then the thinking 541 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,480 is that Jill told somebody where she was. 542 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,680 So we did look at the phone calls to her on that day. 543 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Who knew she was going to be where she was? 544 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,760 There was one person alone. 545 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,120 Mr. Roseman. 546 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,639 Jon Roseman was Jill's very colorful agent. 547 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,239 Um, I had lots of dealings with Jon over the years. 548 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,199 He was very, uh, shall I say, robust to deal with. 549 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,800 He was very straight-talking. Uh, you knew when you'd upset him. 550 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,880 There's a very famous story about him 551 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,280 going around somewhere with a baseball bat to, uh… to show his feelings. 552 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,360 [gripping music playing] 553 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,800 [Jon] The police, they came to visit me on a Saturday morning. 554 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,840 And they asked me about this timeline. 555 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,320 Because the only reason she went there that day was to pick up some faxes 556 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,760 that had been sent to her from my office about some work. 557 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,600 She was on her way to a lunch, I think it was. 558 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,600 And so she just, like, literally stopped off 559 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,440 back to her house to pick up faxes. 560 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640 [keys jingling] 561 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,800 One of the things that they were interested in was my book. 562 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,320 I had always wanted to be a writer. 563 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560 And so I had written a book. 564 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,520 They always say, write about what you know, 565 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,160 so I wrote about an agent. 566 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,200 An agent whose clients were murdered under mysterious circumstances. 567 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:37,600 A client who'd been shot. 568 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,240 [Hamish] Mr. Roseman had written a book 569 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,440 which involved the death of a presenter or personality. 570 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,920 So that seemed ironic that he's writing a novel 571 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120 which actually then occurred in real life. 572 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,840 [Jon] The police, there were two of them, sitting in my office, 573 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,640 and we talked it through 574 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,920 and they asked me if I had a manuscript of the book, which I did. 575 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,200 And they also said, "What was the time difference 576 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,880 between the first murder in the book and the second murder in the book?" 577 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,360 And I'm thinking, like I was in the Twilight Zone. 578 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640 I thought, he's not taking this seriously, 579 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:24,040 like somebody's had my manuscript and is following the plan of the book? 580 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,680 [male interviewer] Did you think whether others might be suspecting you? 581 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,240 [laughs] 582 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,120 Well, I'd have to have paid someone to do it, that's for sure. 583 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,920 But I had this reputation, 584 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,200 and yes, I was really tough, but it was just an act. 585 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,520 And anybody who suspected that I would cut off 586 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,760 a financial revenue like Jill Dando's would have to be insane. 587 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,840 [chuckles] 588 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,240 [director] Action. 589 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,400 Well, that's all for this-- 590 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400 Hang on, I can't see the lens. 591 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,440 [man] When you turn, bring your body around. 592 00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,720 Oh, okay, right. I'm going… 593 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,760 [Jon] I mean, it sounds terrible, but had we not sent her any faxes… 594 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,160 That's all from Mauritius. 595 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,440 Next week I'll be on the Greek island of Skiathos. 596 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,160 I'm not going to say-- 597 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,600 Had she not gone back to the house that day, it wouldn't have happened. 598 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,120 Who knows how, where else it would have happened, 599 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,080 but that was the reason she went back to the house. 600 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840 I do find this kind of stuff really difficult to talk about. 601 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,200 Oh! It's just so glamorous. It's wonderful. Let me at it. 602 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,920 Everything was going so well for her. 603 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,760 I came here unescorted, but I'm told that a prince is waiting in the wings. 604 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,160 [Jon] I mean, nobody has a life like that, right? 605 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,720 We would love to have a life like that, right? 606 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,480 But Jill had a life like that. 607 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,160 It's not! It's not. It's not. 608 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,120 [both laugh] 609 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,320 Listen, I'm… Jill, I'm so sorry about this. 610 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,760 I… I find her death still difficult to come to terms with. 611 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,320 -Do you mind if I whirl her away? -Oh, you may whirl. I can't believe it. 612 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,720 [clicks tongue] 613 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,720 There you go. 614 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,280 None of that inner group of people was responsible for Jill Dando's murder. 615 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,040 And we still didn't have an understanding of the reason why Jill had been killed. 616 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,040 We had to properly focus down. 617 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,320 [suspenseful music playing] 618 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,000 Who was the man who had been seen running away? 619 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160 Who was driving the blue Range Rover? 620 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,360 And who was the sweating man? 621 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,280 [Jeff] I knew by then from talking to my contacts, 622 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,480 that the murder of Jill Dando caused, you know, huge consternation 623 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,520 within the hierarchy at Scotland Yard as well 624 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,640 because Jill Dando was perceived as part of the policing family. 625 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840 But they were bedeviled by the fact that they didn't have a suspect. 626 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,280 They didn't have a murder weapon. 627 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,000 [Hamish] Morning. 628 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,080 Are you any closer to knowing either a suspect or a motive for this killing? 629 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,080 We don't know the person who killed Jill Dando at this time 630 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,360 and we're trying to establish a motive as to why she was killed. 631 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,240 And our main inquiry focuses on determining the motive. 632 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,160 Once we establish the motive, we will be able to move forward more rapidly 633 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,840 as to who the suspect or suspects are. 634 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,960 [indistinct chatter] 635 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,440 The red-top news business won't tolerate a vacuum, right? 636 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,960 They want information. They've got pages to fill. 637 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,880 I could see the clouds gathering on the horizon 638 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,240 and I knew, unless they solved this crime really quickly, 639 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,080 it was only a short matter of time 640 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,800 before we started to become deluged with all sorts of theories. 641 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,520 [gripping music playing] 642 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,480 [reporter] In the absence of any obvious motive for the attack, 643 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,840 speculation, and it is only that, focuses on a possible stalker. 644 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,920 Jill Dando had had problems with obsessive fans in the past, 645 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120 as one close colleague recalls. 646 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,800 I don't think she was in any sense, in fear of, certainly not in mortal fear 647 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,160 of anything happening to her. She was irritated from time to time. 648 00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:36,120 Uh, there had been somebody stalking her. 649 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,320 Um, I mean, to be honest, that's really, it goes with the turf. 650 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,800 Anyone who is in the public eye, and Jill was in the public eye 651 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,080 more than almost anybody, um, does have certain threats. 652 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,760 We used to get all the mail coming to our office. 653 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160 Some mail might be a little bit eh-eh, 654 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,760 so you had to be careful and just take some of these letters away. 655 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,680 But they weren't threatening, they were just, well, you know. 656 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,600 There's a lot of perverts out there. 657 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,000 But then we received a letter from somebody claiming to be a Serb. 658 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,240 It was in relation to the appeal 659 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,040 that Jill had given earlier that month for Kosovo. 660 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,920 This weekend we've all become aware 661 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,640 of the humanitarian crisis facing the Balkans, 662 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,480 as thousands of people from Kosovo… 663 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,200 [Jon] The letter seemed to be somewhat threatening. 664 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,320 Whatever you can afford can make a big difference to these people's lives 665 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,360 and their chances of survival. 666 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,920 [Jeff] The Balkan War had been going on in the former Yugoslavia, 667 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,480 you know, which had split into various states, 668 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,160 you know, Serbia and Kosovo and so forth. 669 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,600 It was a very horrible war. 670 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,720 So, when it started to emerge that her agent had a threatening letter… 671 00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,640 Then the BBC started to get threats by telephone. 672 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,960 The hair on the back of my neck stood up. 673 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,720 [male reporter 1] The murder of one of the country's best-known TV personalities 674 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,320 has taken a frightening turn. 675 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,760 [male reporter 2] The TV center where Jill Dando worked received a phone call. 676 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,160 It was from a man claiming to be Serbian, 677 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,680 saying he was behind the star's death. 678 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,280 [theme music playing] 679 00:44:27,752 --> 00:44:30,592 -[gripping music playing] -[phone ringing] 680 00:44:32,392 --> 00:44:37,432 [man] Your Prime Minister Blair murdered, butchered 17 innocent young people. 681 00:44:37,952 --> 00:44:43,872 He butchered, we butchered back. The first one you had yesterday. 682 00:44:45,112 --> 00:44:47,272 [Bob] The day after Jill was killed, 683 00:44:47,352 --> 00:44:51,792 the BBC received calls from what would seem to be a Serb. 684 00:44:52,432 --> 00:44:54,032 As a hard news man, 685 00:44:54,112 --> 00:44:58,032 as a man who can look for a story, as it were, in the development of things, 686 00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:03,912 it just seemed to me that it was possible that they had somehow got to the country 687 00:45:03,992 --> 00:45:06,472 or had sleepers in the country to punish Britain. 688 00:45:10,632 --> 00:45:12,312 [loud explosions] 689 00:45:20,152 --> 00:45:21,152 It was horrible. 690 00:45:21,232 --> 00:45:24,032 [male reporter] In a split second, the station's main control room 691 00:45:24,112 --> 00:45:26,952 and other technical areas were completely destroyed. 692 00:45:27,632 --> 00:45:31,391 NATO bombed the TV station in Serbia. 693 00:45:31,471 --> 00:45:33,512 [male reporter] NATO says that the TV station 694 00:45:33,592 --> 00:45:35,872 was the hub of Serbia's war propaganda. 695 00:45:35,952 --> 00:45:38,192 [Jon] A lot of journalists were killed. 696 00:45:38,272 --> 00:45:40,032 [people clamoring] 697 00:45:41,392 --> 00:45:43,272 [Bob] People had died in that place. 698 00:45:44,432 --> 00:45:45,592 [indistinct chatter] 699 00:45:46,152 --> 00:45:47,712 The Serbs were furious about it. 700 00:45:47,792 --> 00:45:49,032 [sobbing] 701 00:45:49,632 --> 00:45:54,312 It's not impossible somebody who is deeply aggrieved decided, 702 00:45:54,392 --> 00:45:58,592 "We would get our own back on the country for what you as part of NATO did to ours." 703 00:46:00,472 --> 00:46:01,552 [indistinct chatter] 704 00:46:01,632 --> 00:46:04,872 Thousands of people from Kosovo have left their homes 705 00:46:04,952 --> 00:46:07,552 and arrived on the borders of neighboring countries. 706 00:46:08,392 --> 00:46:13,352 Jill had fronted an appeal for Kosovan refugees and victims of the war. 707 00:46:13,432 --> 00:46:14,592 So there was a connection. 708 00:46:14,672 --> 00:46:19,672 This is a massive exodus, around 600,000 people are on the move. 709 00:46:20,392 --> 00:46:22,432 It was a bit scary to think that 710 00:46:22,512 --> 00:46:24,792 that might have been the motive. 711 00:46:24,872 --> 00:46:27,952 That it could have been a Serbian war lord. 712 00:46:28,032 --> 00:46:31,192 [male reporter] We know you as a killer, Arkan, not as a peaceful politician. 713 00:46:31,272 --> 00:46:34,272 You know it's bullshit you're talking about. 714 00:46:34,832 --> 00:46:38,192 The Yugoslav War was very bitter and it was a very big news story. 715 00:46:38,272 --> 00:46:42,152 As the international community loses patience with the fighting in Bosnia, 716 00:46:42,232 --> 00:46:43,912 Radovan Karadžić, the leader of… 717 00:46:43,992 --> 00:46:48,072 [Jennie] Many of us were involved in reporting or presenting news about that. 718 00:46:48,632 --> 00:46:51,112 As the next few days went by 719 00:46:51,192 --> 00:46:53,632 and, you know, I approached my own front door, 720 00:46:53,712 --> 00:46:56,272 you looked over your shoulder, you were frightened, 721 00:46:56,352 --> 00:47:00,312 because if it had been a professionally arranged killing, 722 00:47:00,392 --> 00:47:02,152 then there was reason to be scared. 723 00:47:04,712 --> 00:47:06,712 [theme music playing] 724 00:47:06,792 --> 00:47:10,432 One of Britain's most popular television presenters has been murdered 725 00:47:10,512 --> 00:47:12,592 in what could be a professional hit. 726 00:47:14,992 --> 00:47:19,472 The tributes here on the flowers echo the overriding reaction of shock… 727 00:47:20,472 --> 00:47:23,392 [man 1] Even the Queen has been moved to comment, saying she is shocked… 728 00:47:23,472 --> 00:47:26,352 [man 2] Police say there are many possible motives for the murder. 729 00:47:26,432 --> 00:47:28,552 [man 3] …responsible for solving so many crimes 730 00:47:28,632 --> 00:47:30,472 may have created enemies in the process. 731 00:47:30,552 --> 00:47:33,672 [woman 1] The Crimewatch presenter may have been assassinated in retaliation 732 00:47:33,752 --> 00:47:35,592 for the NATO bombings of the Belgrade… 733 00:47:35,672 --> 00:47:37,792 [man 4] Detectives confirm that Jill Dando 734 00:47:37,872 --> 00:47:40,432 had complained of being followed by a stalker. 735 00:47:40,512 --> 00:47:42,392 [woman 2] A man who has gone on trial in London 736 00:47:42,472 --> 00:47:45,792 had an obsession with celebrities and was fascinated with firearms. 737 00:47:46,592 --> 00:47:49,672 [man 5] Detectives say they're not ruling out any line of inquiry. 738 00:47:49,752 --> 00:47:52,472 Some believe the killer may have got away with murder. 739 00:48:03,032 --> 00:48:06,312 BBC executives feel, in the light of Jill Dando's murder, 740 00:48:06,392 --> 00:48:09,912 they can take no unnecessary risks with the safety of their staff. 741 00:48:09,992 --> 00:48:13,072 Police investigating Monday's killing will also treat 742 00:48:13,152 --> 00:48:17,392 the alleged Serbian connection seriously until it is proved otherwise. 743 00:48:17,472 --> 00:48:21,312 [Hamish] The threat to the BBC saying that was retaliation. 744 00:48:21,392 --> 00:48:24,512 We weren't able to trace that caller because they were anonymous. 745 00:48:25,192 --> 00:48:27,632 Then the next question is the Serbian government? 746 00:48:28,352 --> 00:48:29,912 The Serbian state? 747 00:48:29,992 --> 00:48:34,032 An individual Serb living in London on their own who's angry? 748 00:48:34,832 --> 00:48:38,392 We then did explore, obviously, with security services here 749 00:48:38,472 --> 00:48:40,592 for any intelligence or information that they had. 750 00:48:42,832 --> 00:48:45,632 That's the thing with homicide investigations where it's, 751 00:48:45,712 --> 00:48:48,111 the suspect is unknown, you have to be cautious. 752 00:48:48,192 --> 00:48:51,952 You cannot just jump to a conclusion and run with that. 753 00:48:52,032 --> 00:48:53,672 [pensive music playing] 754 00:48:54,832 --> 00:48:59,552 Everyone had a theory about how she was murdered and who was responsible. 755 00:49:00,272 --> 00:49:04,632 Criminal networks. Mafia. Russian. Jilted lovers. 756 00:49:04,712 --> 00:49:08,032 We have a good description there of the man who was seen running away. 757 00:49:08,992 --> 00:49:12,912 [Hamish] But the reality is, many a stranger homicide inquiry, 758 00:49:12,992 --> 00:49:16,592 the answer lies within the first tranche of information. 759 00:49:17,832 --> 00:49:20,872 Though I feared that there was something and we'd missed it. 760 00:49:20,952 --> 00:49:23,632 That somewhere in the beginning there was a message 761 00:49:23,712 --> 00:49:26,072 or information which had been overlooked. 762 00:49:29,392 --> 00:49:31,392 [gripping music playing] 763 00:49:31,472 --> 00:49:34,352 In terms of actual evidence about the case, 764 00:49:35,272 --> 00:49:37,672 we had the traffic warden's information. 765 00:49:39,032 --> 00:49:43,312 Of her attempt to issue a parking ticket to a blue Range Rover on Gowan Avenue. 766 00:49:43,392 --> 00:49:45,192 [dispatcher talking indistinctly] 767 00:49:45,272 --> 00:49:49,312 [Hamish] We then received information about a blue Range Rover 768 00:49:49,392 --> 00:49:51,392 seen travelling across Putney Bridge. 769 00:49:51,472 --> 00:49:54,752 [male reporter] The blue Range Rover in this picture was seen 770 00:49:54,832 --> 00:49:57,392 speeding through red lights away from the murder scene. 771 00:49:57,472 --> 00:49:59,792 [Hamish] The vehicle was driving at high speed. 772 00:49:59,872 --> 00:50:03,552 At such a speed that it's leaning over, it joins the Fulham Palace Road. 773 00:50:03,632 --> 00:50:05,792 Approaches the traffic lights, which are now red. 774 00:50:05,872 --> 00:50:08,952 Travels through the red lights and goes away at speed 775 00:50:09,032 --> 00:50:10,912 south on the Fulham Palace Road. 776 00:50:12,192 --> 00:50:16,152 It was then realized those two pieces of information were linked. 777 00:50:18,592 --> 00:50:22,272 The inquiry then focused on Range Rovers for many months 778 00:50:22,352 --> 00:50:26,072 and plotted every Range Rover and CCTV pictures of Range Rovers 779 00:50:26,152 --> 00:50:27,592 to try and trace them down. 780 00:50:27,672 --> 00:50:31,112 But we didn't have a number. We just had a color and a make. 781 00:50:31,672 --> 00:50:35,152 Somehow that was going to have to be sifted down and analyzed. 782 00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:41,752 The blue Range Rover was a key piece of evidence. 783 00:50:41,832 --> 00:50:44,952 But it's very difficult for the police in these circumstances. 784 00:50:45,032 --> 00:50:49,952 I mean, looking for a specific blue Range Rover in London 785 00:50:50,032 --> 00:50:53,152 would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. 786 00:50:55,072 --> 00:50:58,512 [Hamish] I knew it was going to be an enormous amount of work. 787 00:51:01,752 --> 00:51:05,272 Buckingham Palace has made it clear that Princess Diana will still be invited 788 00:51:05,352 --> 00:51:07,312 to attend some state occasions, 789 00:51:07,392 --> 00:51:11,192 but the divorce settlement will inevitably lead to a big change in her life. 790 00:51:11,272 --> 00:51:15,792 When you're doing the news, you have to be the person that was watching, 791 00:51:15,872 --> 00:51:19,072 so they think you're speaking just to them. 792 00:51:19,152 --> 00:51:21,952 You have been invited into their living room. 793 00:51:22,632 --> 00:51:24,792 Jill had that skill. 794 00:51:24,872 --> 00:51:26,712 She was very, very versatile. 795 00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:29,352 And I loved that. She managed to cross the divide. 796 00:51:29,432 --> 00:51:31,552 This is the scene in The Mall this evening. 797 00:51:31,632 --> 00:51:33,992 Already hundreds of people lining the route, 798 00:51:34,072 --> 00:51:36,872 prepared for a damp, possibly showery night, 799 00:51:36,952 --> 00:51:41,032 so that they can pay their respects tomorrow to Diana, Princess of Wales. 800 00:51:41,112 --> 00:51:44,192 I know she was happiest when she was interviewing people. 801 00:51:44,272 --> 00:51:48,032 Not politicians, but just ordinary people. I know she loved that. 802 00:51:48,112 --> 00:51:50,312 What did Diana mean to you? 803 00:51:50,392 --> 00:51:52,392 She was kind and she did a lot for other people. 804 00:51:52,472 --> 00:51:55,712 [Anastasia] Some of the cleverest journalists in the room couldn't do that. 805 00:51:55,792 --> 00:51:59,032 They didn't have what she had, that magic touch. 806 00:51:59,112 --> 00:52:02,032 [Jon] When I took her on, she was already incredibly well-known, 807 00:52:02,112 --> 00:52:04,592 but she needed other programs to do. 808 00:52:04,672 --> 00:52:07,472 And then along came Crimewatch. 809 00:52:07,552 --> 00:52:09,152 [Crimewatch theme music playing] 810 00:52:12,232 --> 00:52:14,592 First tonight, a reconstruction of a truly sad… 811 00:52:14,672 --> 00:52:16,232 [Jon] Jill just jumped at the chance. 812 00:52:16,312 --> 00:52:18,192 …in which a young man became a killer. 813 00:52:18,272 --> 00:52:20,192 I didn't want her to go to the program. 814 00:52:20,272 --> 00:52:24,192 I'd said to her when she was offered it, [inhales sharply] "Don't like it." 815 00:52:24,272 --> 00:52:27,872 Do please call if you know anything, this man must be stopped. 816 00:52:27,952 --> 00:52:30,112 I don't want you being in a place 817 00:52:30,192 --> 00:52:33,832 where you're reporting nasty events that happen to people. 818 00:52:33,912 --> 00:52:36,392 [Jill] It's public service broadcasting at its best. 819 00:52:36,472 --> 00:52:38,232 Crimewatch has results. 820 00:52:38,312 --> 00:52:41,472 People might consider you to be a target 821 00:52:41,552 --> 00:52:44,472 as a result of what the program does to criminals 822 00:52:44,552 --> 00:52:46,832 apprehended as a result of its work 823 00:52:46,912 --> 00:52:48,792 and found themselves in prison. 824 00:52:48,872 --> 00:52:51,592 I regarded that as a threat and I said that to her. 825 00:52:51,672 --> 00:52:53,512 [foreboding music playing] 826 00:52:54,792 --> 00:52:56,432 [distant siren wailing] 827 00:53:03,311 --> 00:53:05,232 [journalist] Takes a certain sort of person, 828 00:53:05,951 --> 00:53:08,272 brutal, sadistic psychopath 829 00:53:08,992 --> 00:53:11,352 to walk up behind a woman in broad daylight 830 00:53:12,032 --> 00:53:13,672 and shoot a gun into her head. 831 00:53:13,752 --> 00:53:17,352 I mean, that is not something you do lightly. I've done horrible things. 832 00:53:18,112 --> 00:53:19,832 I've got 68 previous convictions. 833 00:53:19,912 --> 00:53:20,872 [tires screeching] 834 00:53:20,952 --> 00:53:22,632 But I couldn't do that. 835 00:53:23,872 --> 00:53:25,672 But I tried a bit of everything. 836 00:53:25,752 --> 00:53:30,112 Theft, stealing cars, selling drugs. Whatever was criminal I would do. 837 00:53:30,192 --> 00:53:32,752 I was a dyed-in-the-wool, 24-hours-a-day criminal. 838 00:53:36,792 --> 00:53:40,832 In 1998, I was actually on remand in Belmarsh Prison, 839 00:53:40,912 --> 00:53:44,672 uh, waiting to go up to the Old Bailey on multiple charges of armed robbery. 840 00:53:44,752 --> 00:53:48,112 [reporter] Police have confirmed that the BBC television presenter Jill Dando… 841 00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:50,072 [Noel] When Jill Dando was shot, 842 00:53:50,632 --> 00:53:54,312 a lot of criminals, I have to say, at the time, they sort of went, "Yeah," 843 00:53:54,392 --> 00:53:58,792 because Jill Dando was on Crimewatch UK, and a lot of them had ended up in prison 844 00:53:58,872 --> 00:54:01,952 down to, you know, stuff they had on Crimewatch. 845 00:54:02,032 --> 00:54:05,032 [Jill] An attempt to pervert the course of justice on a major scale. 846 00:54:05,112 --> 00:54:06,232 An organized gang… 847 00:54:06,312 --> 00:54:10,952 It's quite possible that it was one of those who actually done Jill Dando. 848 00:54:11,952 --> 00:54:15,632 I thought it was a professional. The way it was done, it was professional. 849 00:54:15,712 --> 00:54:19,352 Because, if in the '80s and '90s, the way every hit was carried out 850 00:54:19,432 --> 00:54:21,672 was in broad daylight out in the street. 851 00:54:21,752 --> 00:54:24,992 You want a place where people are not expecting you to do it. 852 00:54:25,072 --> 00:54:27,152 If you're walking in your door in the day 853 00:54:27,232 --> 00:54:30,432 or you're walking down the high street, you're not on alert. 854 00:54:32,072 --> 00:54:37,072 The chances of catching a professional who works in that way are slim to none. 855 00:54:40,872 --> 00:54:42,592 [gripping music playing] 856 00:54:50,032 --> 00:54:53,032 [Nick Ross] Ever since Crimewatch started, we've closed by saying, 857 00:54:53,112 --> 00:54:55,472 "Don't have nightmares, do sleep well." 858 00:54:55,552 --> 00:54:57,152 And given Jill Dando's murder, 859 00:54:57,232 --> 00:54:59,992 you might think any reassurances sound hollow tonight. 860 00:55:00,072 --> 00:55:01,392 It was almost inevitable 861 00:55:02,232 --> 00:55:06,392 that we would do an appeal on Crimewatch to explain the case 862 00:55:06,472 --> 00:55:09,872 and seek witnesses and appeal for information. 863 00:55:09,952 --> 00:55:15,152 This is a somber and, for me, a surreal Crimewatch UK. 864 00:55:15,232 --> 00:55:19,512 I remember watching the Crimewatch on Jill's murder. 865 00:55:20,352 --> 00:55:23,472 [Nick] It's been almost unbearable dealing with Jill's death. 866 00:55:23,552 --> 00:55:26,632 But this program was her passion. 867 00:55:26,712 --> 00:55:31,032 And now, as Jill helped others, we hope we can do the same for her. 868 00:55:31,112 --> 00:55:37,952 Seeing Nick Ross, I was struck by how professionally he handled it. 869 00:55:39,072 --> 00:55:41,112 [woman] Getting towards the end of Gowan Avenue, 870 00:55:41,192 --> 00:55:42,712 on the Fulham Palace Road end, 871 00:55:42,792 --> 00:55:46,512 I was conscious that somebody was sitting on my tail, as it were. 872 00:55:46,592 --> 00:55:48,352 [Hamish] The principle of Crimewatch… 873 00:55:48,432 --> 00:55:49,432 [woman] Hurrying me. 874 00:55:49,512 --> 00:55:51,792 …was to ask the public about evidence. 875 00:55:51,872 --> 00:55:54,632 [woman] I had got the impression there was more than one person… 876 00:55:54,712 --> 00:55:57,992 Who owns this car? Who is this photograph? Where is this person? 877 00:55:58,072 --> 00:56:01,432 [Hamish on TV] There were several sightings of a blue Range Rover… 878 00:56:01,512 --> 00:56:05,552 So, we then released information about a blue Range Rover 879 00:56:05,632 --> 00:56:08,152 and hopefully someone can give us information. 880 00:56:08,232 --> 00:56:12,032 [Hamish on TV] Were you driving around that area on the 26th of April? 881 00:56:12,112 --> 00:56:14,392 Ring us, tell us where you were on that day, 882 00:56:14,472 --> 00:56:17,192 which Range Rover you were driving and where you were. 883 00:56:17,992 --> 00:56:20,472 [Jane] Once they factored in the blue Range Rover, 884 00:56:20,552 --> 00:56:23,752 there was talks maybe of an accomplice who'd followed Jill. 885 00:56:24,632 --> 00:56:29,032 I do actually think the Range Rover sort of symbolized professional hit, 886 00:56:29,112 --> 00:56:30,992 gangland, criminal world. 887 00:56:31,072 --> 00:56:34,472 More than one person escaping from the scene fast. 888 00:56:34,552 --> 00:56:35,792 It's a free call number. 889 00:56:35,872 --> 00:56:38,272 So Nick Ross asked if the public could help. 890 00:56:38,352 --> 00:56:40,832 Please call if you can identify any of those… 891 00:56:40,912 --> 00:56:43,752 [Ian] Hundreds of calls are coming in. 892 00:56:44,872 --> 00:56:46,872 [man] I'm calling about the Jill Dando murder. 893 00:56:46,952 --> 00:56:49,752 Members of the public, other police forces. 894 00:56:49,832 --> 00:56:53,512 Basically, everyone seemed to have information 895 00:56:53,592 --> 00:56:57,632 about a vehicle being very close to the scene at the time of the murder. 896 00:56:59,232 --> 00:57:01,432 [man] Hi, I've got information about Jill Dando. 897 00:57:01,512 --> 00:57:03,992 [Hamish] Seemed everybody drove blue Range Rovers. 898 00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:05,792 [woman] I've got information about Jill… 899 00:57:09,512 --> 00:57:11,072 [Hamish] So it was a long shot. 900 00:57:11,152 --> 00:57:12,192 [gripping music playing] 901 00:57:12,272 --> 00:57:14,392 But then there was one phone call 902 00:57:15,952 --> 00:57:17,432 that was quite interesting. 903 00:57:18,792 --> 00:57:22,672 An informant says, "I know who killed Jill Dando 904 00:57:22,752 --> 00:57:25,192 and here are the names of the individuals." 905 00:57:27,992 --> 00:57:31,112 That particular informant appeared plausible. 906 00:57:32,512 --> 00:57:33,952 He was known as Mr. James. 907 00:57:39,632 --> 00:57:43,832 The information James was giving us was showing 908 00:57:43,912 --> 00:57:46,672 that the people behind the murder of Jill Dando 909 00:57:47,512 --> 00:57:49,832 were active criminals. 910 00:57:49,912 --> 00:57:52,232 They were a higher-level drugs group. 911 00:57:59,552 --> 00:58:02,312 I and another officer arranged to meet him. 912 00:58:03,192 --> 00:58:05,312 [suspenseful music playing] 913 00:58:05,392 --> 00:58:07,872 That conversation was covertly recorded. 914 00:58:15,352 --> 00:58:19,512 And he was questioned at length by me to understand how it is 915 00:58:20,752 --> 00:58:24,872 his claim that he knew who had killed Jill Dando could be true. 916 00:58:26,712 --> 00:58:30,912 And he gave an account and a story of a Range Rover. 917 00:58:30,992 --> 00:58:32,672 [camera shutter clicking] 918 00:58:34,232 --> 00:58:38,592 And the account and detail he was giving was sufficient for us to say, 919 00:58:38,672 --> 00:58:41,032 well, we need to look at this criminal network. 920 00:58:42,352 --> 00:58:44,192 So they were followed. 921 00:58:44,272 --> 00:58:47,512 And we used a range of police tactics and operations 922 00:58:48,792 --> 00:58:51,192 to try to understand where they were going, 923 00:58:51,272 --> 00:58:54,472 what they were doing, and seeking to hear what they were saying. 924 00:58:54,552 --> 00:58:56,272 [indistinct radio chatter] 925 00:59:02,872 --> 00:59:04,472 [gripping music playing] 926 00:59:06,232 --> 00:59:10,472 [Jane] Initially we felt it was going to be solved very quickly. 927 00:59:10,552 --> 00:59:13,512 And then it, just suddenly, a whole summer went by. 928 00:59:13,592 --> 00:59:14,752 It went very quiet. 929 00:59:14,832 --> 00:59:17,712 [male reporter 1] The street where Jill Dando lived and died. 930 00:59:17,792 --> 00:59:21,832 The media circus has gone, but people are still coming to terms 931 00:59:21,912 --> 00:59:24,552 with one of the most bizarre murders ever committed. 932 00:59:24,632 --> 00:59:27,552 The shooting of Miss Dando remains a mystery. 933 00:59:27,632 --> 00:59:31,392 A crime many here in Britain, where gun violence is so rare, 934 00:59:31,472 --> 00:59:33,512 still find incomprehensible. 935 00:59:33,592 --> 00:59:35,712 [male reporter 2] After a promising start, 936 00:59:35,792 --> 00:59:38,432 progress appears, from the outside, to be slow. 937 00:59:38,512 --> 00:59:41,432 [male officer] If there's anything that jogs your memory, 938 00:59:41,512 --> 00:59:42,672 give the number a ring. 939 00:59:42,752 --> 00:59:44,272 [imperceptible] 940 00:59:45,872 --> 00:59:49,232 The press, people like me, we want developments. 941 00:59:49,312 --> 00:59:52,952 News executives coming to me and saying, "Why haven't they solved this job?" 942 00:59:53,872 --> 00:59:56,672 [Hamish] We were working on certain lines of inquiry. 943 00:59:58,072 --> 01:00:01,312 But we don't have to give all the details all the time. 944 01:00:01,872 --> 01:00:04,392 It was almost like tumbleweed, nothing. 945 01:00:04,992 --> 01:00:09,792 And then we were all thinking, well, are the police onto somebody? 946 01:00:10,272 --> 01:00:12,912 Is there some sort of dynamite piece of information 947 01:00:12,992 --> 01:00:16,032 they're about to come out with that we don't know about? 948 01:00:19,352 --> 01:00:22,352 [Hamish] After many months and much investment, 949 01:00:22,432 --> 01:00:26,552 it turned out the informant James was lying. 950 01:00:27,472 --> 01:00:33,272 And it became clear that he was seeking to blame others for Jill Dando's murder, 951 01:00:33,352 --> 01:00:36,392 hoping that they would be arrested to release him 952 01:00:36,472 --> 01:00:39,152 from the pressure he was under in his own drugs work. 953 01:00:40,512 --> 01:00:41,632 We didn't have proof 954 01:00:41,712 --> 01:00:44,192 the Range Rover was even involved in the shooting. 955 01:00:46,552 --> 01:00:49,752 The sea around here is ideal for snorkeling and scuba diving. 956 01:00:49,832 --> 01:00:52,192 But here's something which involves neither swimming 957 01:00:52,272 --> 01:00:53,632 nor getting your hair wet. 958 01:00:53,712 --> 01:00:57,312 I'm going walking on the sea bed with one of these. 959 01:00:57,392 --> 01:01:02,352 I thought it would be a sure-fire, quick investigation and they'd find somebody. I… 960 01:01:03,632 --> 01:01:07,112 I was just left reading the papers like everyone else. 961 01:01:07,712 --> 01:01:12,632 Thinking, "God, she had it all ahead of her." 962 01:01:13,992 --> 01:01:15,232 Just so wasted. 963 01:01:15,312 --> 01:01:18,912 It's just, uh… wasted. 964 01:01:18,992 --> 01:01:20,712 [audience cheering, applauding] 965 01:01:22,192 --> 01:01:25,192 [Martyn] I think her career was really not even halfway. 966 01:01:25,272 --> 01:01:28,232 Just, um, tragic to have that taken away 967 01:01:28,312 --> 01:01:32,912 so, uh, brutally, um, and without explanation. 968 01:01:32,991 --> 01:01:35,712 -[laughing] No, I don't believe this. -[man laughs] 969 01:01:35,792 --> 01:01:39,432 [Nigel] What you saw on the screen was Jill in her element. 970 01:01:39,511 --> 01:01:41,392 Jill Dando, this is your life. 971 01:01:41,471 --> 01:01:42,872 [nostalgic music playing] 972 01:01:42,952 --> 01:01:46,632 Thoroughly enjoying herself, uh, and just wishing 973 01:01:46,712 --> 01:01:49,511 that the members of her audience were there with her, 974 01:01:49,592 --> 01:01:51,392 having as good a time as she was. 975 01:01:51,471 --> 01:01:53,112 [chuckles] It's cold. 976 01:01:53,991 --> 01:01:57,912 [Nigel] I hate to say this expression, but she was the nation's sweetheart. 977 01:01:57,992 --> 01:02:02,472 I was very pleased for her because she'd done tremendously well 978 01:02:02,552 --> 01:02:04,592 from humble beginnings. 979 01:02:04,672 --> 01:02:07,152 Who knows what would have happened? I don't know. 980 01:02:07,232 --> 01:02:09,552 I put my absolute trust in the police to do it. 981 01:02:09,632 --> 01:02:11,592 How else was it going to be solved? 982 01:02:12,872 --> 01:02:14,712 [gripping music playing] 983 01:02:17,872 --> 01:02:22,792 We wanted to put Jill on the front pages, but it started to go quiet. 984 01:02:22,872 --> 01:02:26,232 The family, well, that story kept in the newspapers, 985 01:02:26,312 --> 01:02:28,752 because as long as you keep the story alive, 986 01:02:28,832 --> 01:02:31,832 you keep the investigation alive. 987 01:02:33,632 --> 01:02:36,632 [Nigel] I had conversations with Hamish 988 01:02:36,712 --> 01:02:39,632 who said that they were following these lines of inquiry. 989 01:02:40,632 --> 01:02:43,552 But essentially they were just drawing blanks. 990 01:02:45,152 --> 01:02:46,152 [indistinct chatter] 991 01:02:46,232 --> 01:02:49,072 [male reporter] With no immediate prospect of an arrest, 992 01:02:49,152 --> 01:02:52,592 detectives are increasingly under pressure to come up with a result. 993 01:02:52,672 --> 01:02:55,392 I couldn't understand how there hadn't been an arrest. 994 01:02:55,472 --> 01:03:01,072 Most famous TV personality, all the resources and no one was arrested. 995 01:03:05,032 --> 01:03:08,192 [Hamish] It generated thousands of pieces of information. 996 01:03:08,752 --> 01:03:15,192 It was relentless, eliminating suspects and closing down lines of inquiry. 997 01:03:15,872 --> 01:03:21,392 But we had not identified all these witnesses in Gowan Avenue. 998 01:03:22,192 --> 01:03:23,912 Who was it they were seeing? 999 01:03:25,072 --> 01:03:29,632 The great majority of witnesses cannot recall the human face sufficiently 1000 01:03:29,712 --> 01:03:32,672 for an artist to then recreate that face. 1001 01:03:32,752 --> 01:03:33,752 [imperceptible] 1002 01:03:33,832 --> 01:03:37,192 But there were four people from the witnesses 1003 01:03:37,952 --> 01:03:39,512 who believed they could do. 1004 01:03:40,392 --> 01:03:43,912 One of them had witnessed a man in the Fulham Road… 1005 01:03:46,152 --> 01:03:49,312 running across the road and he stood at the bus stop. 1006 01:03:50,912 --> 01:03:55,032 That witness was able to describe him sufficiently for an e-fit to be drawn. 1007 01:03:55,112 --> 01:04:00,232 And the e-fit was the one we produced or showed at the press conference. 1008 01:04:00,312 --> 01:04:01,912 [people chattering] 1009 01:04:01,992 --> 01:04:03,912 We didn't have all the answers. 1010 01:04:03,992 --> 01:04:08,432 I sensed a concern and nervousness from everybody above me. 1011 01:04:09,072 --> 01:04:13,352 And the media, swirling around with so many ideas and thoughts. 1012 01:04:14,272 --> 01:04:15,672 That had to be managed. 1013 01:04:15,752 --> 01:04:18,192 -[camera shutters clicking] -[indistinct chatter] 1014 01:04:18,272 --> 01:04:21,112 [male reporter] Four days after the murder of Jill Dando, 1015 01:04:21,192 --> 01:04:23,992 the police released this computer-generated picture 1016 01:04:24,072 --> 01:04:26,832 of the man they're treating as their number one suspect. 1017 01:04:26,912 --> 01:04:29,112 He was seen by several witnesses, 1018 01:04:29,192 --> 01:04:33,032 the last time standing by this bus stop in Fulham Palace Road 1019 01:04:33,112 --> 01:04:35,472 just after Jill Dando was shot. 1020 01:04:35,552 --> 01:04:37,632 This was very, very significant indeed. 1021 01:04:38,832 --> 01:04:42,752 We felt that the police would not be putting out an e-fit of somebody 1022 01:04:42,832 --> 01:04:46,472 they thought was only a marginal person of interest. 1023 01:04:46,552 --> 01:04:49,392 This was seen as a very significant event. 1024 01:04:50,032 --> 01:04:52,272 If he is really the killer of Jill Dando… 1025 01:04:52,352 --> 01:04:53,192 [clamoring] 1026 01:04:53,272 --> 01:04:54,672 …we have to find this man. 1027 01:04:55,672 --> 01:04:57,672 [male reporter] At Putney Bridge tube station, 1028 01:04:57,752 --> 01:05:00,312 security camera video is also being examined 1029 01:05:00,392 --> 01:05:02,232 in case it has captured her killer. 1030 01:05:03,032 --> 01:05:05,792 A killer who, it was said, may have been a hit man, 1031 01:05:05,872 --> 01:05:08,072 but uses a bus for his getaway. 1032 01:05:08,152 --> 01:05:09,472 [imperceptible] 1033 01:05:09,552 --> 01:05:10,912 [Jeff] We made a lot of inquiries. 1034 01:05:10,992 --> 01:05:14,992 You know, Daily Mirror reporters went to the area of this bus stop, 1035 01:05:15,072 --> 01:05:18,672 knocked on doors, tried to find anybody who might have seen anything. 1036 01:05:19,192 --> 01:05:22,552 But nobody that we found had seen anybody who looked like this e-fit 1037 01:05:22,632 --> 01:05:25,752 and certainly nobody came forward to us to tell us, 1038 01:05:25,832 --> 01:05:28,992 you know, any follow-up information that might be significant. 1039 01:05:29,072 --> 01:05:31,312 [camera shutters clicking] 1040 01:05:31,392 --> 01:05:32,872 My next logical thought was, 1041 01:05:32,952 --> 01:05:36,592 well, you know, most London buses have, you know, CCTV on board. 1042 01:05:36,672 --> 01:05:38,232 That'll be key for the police. 1043 01:05:38,952 --> 01:05:42,112 All they've got to do is contact London Transport, 1044 01:05:42,192 --> 01:05:44,632 find out all the buses that were within one hour 1045 01:05:44,712 --> 01:05:46,712 each side of that sighting of that man, 1046 01:05:46,792 --> 01:05:50,392 and there you are, you should have your sweating man at the bus stop. 1047 01:05:53,912 --> 01:05:55,672 [suspenseful music playing] 1048 01:05:56,192 --> 01:05:59,352 [Hamish] I sent officers to Fulham to see if there was any CCTV. 1049 01:06:02,752 --> 01:06:06,032 You know, maybe they were overwhelmed with more pressing tasks, 1050 01:06:06,112 --> 01:06:10,832 but by the time they put that request in to view the tapes, they were wiped. 1051 01:06:12,712 --> 01:06:14,192 It was a missed opportunity. 1052 01:06:14,272 --> 01:06:16,272 [tense music playing] 1053 01:06:20,552 --> 01:06:23,352 [Hamish] There were only 16 detectives on my murder team 1054 01:06:23,432 --> 01:06:25,272 at the start of that investigation. 1055 01:06:25,832 --> 01:06:29,792 Sixteen people were never going to complete what I needed completing. 1056 01:06:37,192 --> 01:06:42,512 By putting out the e-fit, we told millions and millions of people 1057 01:06:42,592 --> 01:06:46,432 about a man at a bus stop, hoping that the public could help. 1058 01:06:46,512 --> 01:06:47,672 Who is this man? 1059 01:06:47,752 --> 01:06:50,192 We ask if he has nothing to do with this investigation 1060 01:06:50,272 --> 01:06:52,032 to come forward and eliminate himself. 1061 01:06:52,112 --> 01:06:54,152 [male reporter] The main suspect is a white male 1062 01:06:54,232 --> 01:06:56,912 wearing a dark suit with neatly cut brown hair. 1063 01:06:56,992 --> 01:06:59,432 He's between 35 and 40 years old… 1064 01:06:59,512 --> 01:07:02,992 Some of this information may have jogged someone's memory. 1065 01:07:03,072 --> 01:07:05,592 If so, they should contact the police immediately. 1066 01:07:07,752 --> 01:07:10,072 [phone ringing] 1067 01:07:10,152 --> 01:07:12,152 [Hamish] A man phoned the inquiry room 1068 01:07:13,272 --> 01:07:16,072 and stated that he looked like the e-fit. 1069 01:07:17,032 --> 01:07:20,472 He didn't say that he was responsible for killing Jill, 1070 01:07:20,552 --> 01:07:22,872 but he placed himself at the crime scene. 1071 01:07:23,792 --> 01:07:26,152 So he was a person of interest. 1072 01:07:33,632 --> 01:07:35,832 -Am I allowed to mention his name? -[man] Yep. 1073 01:07:35,912 --> 01:07:38,752 [Charlie] Shackleton, he was a strange character. 1074 01:07:39,272 --> 01:07:42,472 He had a blue-lighted ambulance as his mode of transport. 1075 01:07:42,552 --> 01:07:44,632 [suspenseful music playing] 1076 01:07:47,912 --> 01:07:49,592 [Hamish] He was a giant of a man. 1077 01:07:51,072 --> 01:07:53,752 He was an undertaker and he drove a hearse. 1078 01:07:56,392 --> 01:07:58,632 Shackleton had said that he was in the park 1079 01:07:58,712 --> 01:08:01,472 and he'd run out of the park because he was being chased by a man, 1080 01:08:01,552 --> 01:08:03,192 and he went to the bus stop. 1081 01:08:06,232 --> 01:08:11,152 That was important at that stage because we thought the sweating man, 1082 01:08:11,232 --> 01:08:14,192 e-fit person was of some importance. 1083 01:08:14,272 --> 01:08:16,432 So here was a man claiming to be that. 1084 01:08:18,712 --> 01:08:21,312 Because he was making those claims 1085 01:08:21,392 --> 01:08:24,872 and we couldn't address the problem without interviewing him, 1086 01:08:24,952 --> 01:08:29,592 he was arrested and a search was conducted of his house. 1087 01:08:32,592 --> 01:08:37,992 This arrest just looked like a dynamite piece of development. 1088 01:08:38,952 --> 01:08:42,752 We all thought, "Is this it? Is this going to be the evidence we need?" 1089 01:08:42,832 --> 01:08:44,472 [suspenseful music playing] 1090 01:08:44,552 --> 01:08:46,552 [Charlie] I searched his home address. 1091 01:08:47,112 --> 01:08:48,752 There was a coffin in the house. 1092 01:08:51,632 --> 01:08:53,512 [Hamish] There were some photographs, 1093 01:08:53,592 --> 01:08:55,352 there was a map of the Fulham area 1094 01:08:55,432 --> 01:08:58,272 and some BBC material, I think a letter. 1095 01:09:02,552 --> 01:09:04,112 [intriguing music playing] 1096 01:09:04,192 --> 01:09:06,992 [Jane] James Shackleton was quite a character. 1097 01:09:08,832 --> 01:09:11,232 [male reporter] The Shepherd's Bush undertaker, 1098 01:09:11,312 --> 01:09:13,352 who specialized in DSS funerals… 1099 01:09:14,392 --> 01:09:16,552 [James] I'm making a baby's coffin. 1100 01:09:16,632 --> 01:09:19,872 In fact, I've got to make two, one here and one there. 1101 01:09:19,952 --> 01:09:25,432 He said he was in the area collecting wood to make coffins. 1102 01:09:25,512 --> 01:09:27,152 So, I mean, who does that? 1103 01:09:28,752 --> 01:09:32,712 [James] They said that I had a fascination for Jill Dando 1104 01:09:32,792 --> 01:09:34,992 and I was stalking her and all that stuff. 1105 01:09:35,072 --> 01:09:37,712 I said, "You're barking up the wrong tree, mate." 1106 01:09:37,792 --> 01:09:40,992 I said, "Well, I'm gay myself." Uh, I said, "I don't, um…" 1107 01:09:41,712 --> 01:09:46,112 I said, "But as for your DC, [laughing] well, he's more my cup of tea," 1108 01:09:46,192 --> 01:09:47,312 sort of thing. 1109 01:09:48,552 --> 01:09:50,472 [Jane] He was a bit of a fantasist. 1110 01:09:50,552 --> 01:09:55,232 He'd sort of fashioned himself as a member of the aristocracy, 1111 01:09:55,312 --> 01:09:57,632 uh, bogusly, I might add. 1112 01:09:59,312 --> 01:10:01,952 I was sweating and out of breath, as you can imagine, 1113 01:10:02,032 --> 01:10:03,952 I'd just done half a marathon. 1114 01:10:04,032 --> 01:10:08,592 Mr. Shackleton was identified as somebody who was a liar. 1115 01:10:09,232 --> 01:10:13,552 Had previously thought to involve himself in other murder investigations. 1116 01:10:15,472 --> 01:10:19,432 He was bailed out of the police station and then eliminated from the inquiry. 1117 01:10:19,992 --> 01:10:23,752 Well, I can confirm that, uh, I was certainly not the man 1118 01:10:23,832 --> 01:10:26,512 responsible for Jill Dando's death. 1119 01:10:26,592 --> 01:10:29,272 [on TV] I probably do look a bit like the e-fit. 1120 01:10:29,352 --> 01:10:31,312 It's dragged on a bit now, hasn't it? 1121 01:10:31,392 --> 01:10:33,592 And they are grasping at straws. 1122 01:10:36,712 --> 01:10:39,112 [Ian] Clearly, one of the mistakes made in the inquiry 1123 01:10:39,192 --> 01:10:42,552 was the publication of the e-fit. 1124 01:10:46,952 --> 01:10:50,552 The publication of the picture led to a lot of additional 1125 01:10:50,632 --> 01:10:53,152 and, to be honest, unnecessary, work 1126 01:10:53,232 --> 01:10:57,632 with people phoning in to say that this looks like so-and-so. 1127 01:10:59,752 --> 01:11:04,192 If today you google Jill Dando e-fit suspect… 1128 01:11:04,272 --> 01:11:08,672 This man is the one outside Jill Dando's house on the mobile phone. 1129 01:11:09,232 --> 01:11:13,872 …a picture will come up of someone that was never a suspect. 1130 01:11:15,032 --> 01:11:17,472 It was a poor choice to release the e-fit 1131 01:11:17,552 --> 01:11:20,632 because it distracted the inquiry for many months. 1132 01:11:20,712 --> 01:11:25,792 But the media pressure was so great that there were some from our press office 1133 01:11:25,872 --> 01:11:28,632 and other senior officers and suggestions, 1134 01:11:28,712 --> 01:11:31,592 just give them something, let's put this out. 1135 01:11:31,672 --> 01:11:33,832 And I think that was an error. 1136 01:11:35,232 --> 01:11:38,912 My private thinking was, we were heading in the right direction. 1137 01:11:39,512 --> 01:11:43,832 Jill Dando's murder was the work of some loner. 1138 01:11:47,432 --> 01:11:53,752 [crowd] Eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. 1139 01:11:53,832 --> 01:11:55,392 [crowd cheering] 1140 01:11:55,472 --> 01:11:57,432 -[clock chiming] -[firecrackers bursting] 1141 01:11:58,192 --> 01:11:59,992 [Nigel] It was the dawn of a new millennium, 1142 01:12:00,072 --> 01:12:02,272 and we still had the shadow hanging over us 1143 01:12:02,352 --> 01:12:05,312 that, uh, Jill's killer still hadn't been caught. 1144 01:12:05,392 --> 01:12:09,472 And that you knew that the longer this police inquiry went on, 1145 01:12:09,552 --> 01:12:13,152 the more likely it was that whoever killed Jill would get away with it. 1146 01:12:13,232 --> 01:12:15,392 [gripping music playing] 1147 01:12:17,392 --> 01:12:22,432 [Jane] The police, who desperately wanted to solve this crime, were at a standstill. 1148 01:12:23,312 --> 01:12:26,712 Many investigations take a lot more than 12 months, two years, 1149 01:12:26,792 --> 01:12:29,032 and if that's the way it is, then that's the way it is. 1150 01:12:30,112 --> 01:12:33,192 [Jane] There comes a point in any police investigation, 1151 01:12:33,272 --> 01:12:36,472 and in particularly the case of Jill Dando, 1152 01:12:36,552 --> 01:12:40,432 that a certain amount of frustration starts to creep in. 1153 01:12:41,072 --> 01:12:43,472 Already they'd looked at Jill's personal life, 1154 01:12:43,552 --> 01:12:45,072 that had been ruled out. 1155 01:12:45,152 --> 01:12:48,032 They'd looked at all the multiple sightings. 1156 01:12:48,112 --> 01:12:51,432 They'd eliminated multiple Range Rovers. 1157 01:12:51,512 --> 01:12:54,272 They'd spent hundreds of thousands on surveillance, 1158 01:12:54,352 --> 01:12:57,872 and the Serbian connection seemed to have dried up. 1159 01:12:57,952 --> 01:12:59,192 We were nowhere. 1160 01:13:00,552 --> 01:13:03,472 [Hamish] I was thinking, "Well, where do we go from now?" 1161 01:13:04,232 --> 01:13:07,552 Well, we're gonna have to go back to the beginning, really. 1162 01:13:07,632 --> 01:13:13,552 A belief that an answer sometimes lies in the system, but we've already missed. 1163 01:13:13,632 --> 01:13:15,832 [keyboard clacking] 1164 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:20,952 It was my role to go through all the information 1165 01:13:21,032 --> 01:13:27,112 that was on the system to identify those messages that needed a follow-up. 1166 01:13:27,192 --> 01:13:29,472 [gripping music playing] 1167 01:13:32,032 --> 01:13:34,632 [man] There's a man who lives on Crookham Road. 1168 01:13:34,712 --> 01:13:36,032 Quite tall, about 5'11". 1169 01:13:37,032 --> 01:13:40,072 [woman] A man with mental health problems visited our center. 1170 01:13:40,152 --> 01:13:42,912 He's around 39 years old with short dark hair. 1171 01:13:42,992 --> 01:13:46,832 [Ian] There were thousands of people who hadn't, at that time, 1172 01:13:46,912 --> 01:13:49,272 been eliminated from the inquiry. 1173 01:13:49,352 --> 01:13:53,192 I managed to get this down to a few hundred. 1174 01:13:54,512 --> 01:13:55,992 [man] How long did that take? 1175 01:13:56,592 --> 01:13:57,832 Fucking ages. 1176 01:13:57,912 --> 01:13:59,272 [chuckles] Um… 1177 01:13:59,352 --> 01:14:00,392 [gripping music playing] 1178 01:14:00,472 --> 01:14:02,512 [female reporter] Despite the huge police operation, 1179 01:14:02,592 --> 01:14:04,312 there's no sign of a breakthrough. 1180 01:14:04,392 --> 01:14:07,112 The reward for information leading to the murderer has now risen 1181 01:14:07,192 --> 01:14:09,312 to a quarter of a million pounds. 1182 01:14:11,272 --> 01:14:13,832 [Jane] It was the biggest reward in criminal history 1183 01:14:13,912 --> 01:14:15,312 in this country at the time. 1184 01:14:15,392 --> 01:14:20,272 It was a huge amount of money and if that was going to persuade anybody 1185 01:14:20,352 --> 01:14:22,952 to come forward, that would have done it. 1186 01:14:23,912 --> 01:14:26,072 But there were no takers. 1187 01:14:26,152 --> 01:14:29,152 And I thought that was really significant. 1188 01:14:29,232 --> 01:14:32,592 That the most likely explanation for this 1189 01:14:32,672 --> 01:14:36,832 is only one person in the whole world knows who did this. 1190 01:14:36,912 --> 01:14:38,632 And that's the person who did it. 1191 01:14:42,752 --> 01:14:47,632 There he is again, not a sound. Just like being burgled, but in reverse. 1192 01:14:47,712 --> 01:14:50,512 Jill never spoke to me about being frightened 1193 01:14:50,592 --> 01:14:52,952 or scared of anyone or anything. 1194 01:14:53,032 --> 01:14:56,672 But it is part and parcel of being a presence on television. 1195 01:14:56,752 --> 01:15:00,272 A star as she was, you get a lot of unwanted attention. 1196 01:15:00,352 --> 01:15:02,912 You get strange people writing to you. 1197 01:15:03,632 --> 01:15:05,552 People who are obsessed with you. 1198 01:15:06,632 --> 01:15:10,152 [Bob] People, uh, were always interested in Jill. 1199 01:15:10,232 --> 01:15:13,072 There would have been a flood of people writing. They really liked her. 1200 01:15:13,152 --> 01:15:15,632 Peter, it says you're a big fan of Jill Dando. 1201 01:15:15,712 --> 01:15:17,232 -I am. She's lovely. -She's wonderful? 1202 01:15:17,312 --> 01:15:18,992 -You got any pictures of her? -No. 1203 01:15:19,072 --> 01:15:22,272 Well, let's get one right now. Jill Dando, ladies and gentlemen. 1204 01:15:22,352 --> 01:15:24,112 [audience applauding] 1205 01:15:24,192 --> 01:15:26,752 [Bob] They saw her as a daughter, but they loved her face, 1206 01:15:26,832 --> 01:15:28,832 they liked the girl next door about her, 1207 01:15:28,912 --> 01:15:31,592 how attractive she was, how well she did her job. 1208 01:15:31,672 --> 01:15:36,552 They wrote the most affectionate letters. Some of them actually tried to meet her. 1209 01:15:36,632 --> 01:15:40,472 Was there anybody out there who felt that she had let them down somehow? 1210 01:15:40,552 --> 01:15:42,552 Some very strange character who thought 1211 01:15:42,632 --> 01:15:45,032 that she deserved what later happened to her? 1212 01:15:47,992 --> 01:15:50,952 [Hamish] Another marker that it was the work of a loner 1213 01:15:51,032 --> 01:15:53,032 was the nature of the weapon. 1214 01:15:53,912 --> 01:15:58,832 [female reporter] The weapon, a 9mm pistol similar to this one, has never been found. 1215 01:15:58,912 --> 01:16:02,232 It's the brass casing from the bullet recovered near her body 1216 01:16:02,312 --> 01:16:05,072 which could hold the clue to the killer's identity. 1217 01:16:05,152 --> 01:16:08,072 Six markings have been made by hand using one tool 1218 01:16:08,152 --> 01:16:10,112 around the top of the cartridge casing. 1219 01:16:10,832 --> 01:16:14,272 The gun was not actually a substantive 9mm firearm. 1220 01:16:15,032 --> 01:16:18,152 It was either a reactivated weapon you can lay your hands on 1221 01:16:18,232 --> 01:16:20,632 or a starting pistol converted. 1222 01:16:22,232 --> 01:16:27,232 The casing of the bullet had six indentations 1223 01:16:27,312 --> 01:16:29,912 around the top part of the rim. 1224 01:16:30,752 --> 01:16:35,952 So that was crimping to hold the bullet in the cartridge case. 1225 01:16:36,952 --> 01:16:42,312 But this was not manufactured crimping, this was handmade. 1226 01:16:42,392 --> 01:16:45,952 Each crimp mark was of a different level of pressure. 1227 01:16:47,232 --> 01:16:50,992 It had an element of homemade-ness to it. 1228 01:16:51,072 --> 01:16:53,112 Does anybody recognize those markings? 1229 01:16:53,192 --> 01:16:55,112 Have they handled ammunition 1230 01:16:55,192 --> 01:16:57,952 before the event or after the event with markings like that? 1231 01:16:58,592 --> 01:17:01,872 [Hamish] We knew from the first day from the nature of the injury to her head 1232 01:17:01,952 --> 01:17:03,672 and the muzzle mark of the gun 1233 01:17:03,752 --> 01:17:07,592 had impacted and imprinted itself on the head 1234 01:17:07,672 --> 01:17:12,272 and there was some small bruising on her arm, her forearm, as well. 1235 01:17:13,192 --> 01:17:16,672 That didn't strike me as a quick assassination 1236 01:17:16,752 --> 01:17:21,232 and tried to avoid contact, blood transference, hair transference. 1237 01:17:21,312 --> 01:17:25,792 The fact that the person had approached Jill and touched her, 1238 01:17:25,872 --> 01:17:31,272 right into her space to kill her, didn't indicate, for me, 1239 01:17:31,352 --> 01:17:33,632 that this was a professional execution. 1240 01:17:33,712 --> 01:17:35,712 [gripping music playing] 1241 01:17:35,792 --> 01:17:37,592 [keyboards clacking] 1242 01:17:39,752 --> 01:17:43,632 [Ian] Several of the messages that came in in the first few days of the inquiry 1243 01:17:44,272 --> 01:17:47,752 now seem to relate to the same person. 1244 01:17:49,592 --> 01:17:51,992 [man 1] A man came in asking if we could verify 1245 01:17:52,072 --> 01:17:54,032 that he was at a cab company yesterday. 1246 01:17:54,112 --> 01:17:57,312 He specifically asked me if I could remember what he was wearing. 1247 01:17:57,392 --> 01:17:58,872 He lived in Crookham Road, 1248 01:17:58,952 --> 01:18:03,272 which was a very short distance from Gowan Avenue. 1249 01:18:04,192 --> 01:18:05,912 [man 2] His name is Barry Bulsara. 1250 01:18:10,592 --> 01:18:12,272 [woman] Today, he called again, 1251 01:18:12,352 --> 01:18:15,152 asking for the exact time he was there on Monday. 1252 01:18:15,232 --> 01:18:17,192 He said it was for his solicitor. 1253 01:18:18,672 --> 01:18:22,232 He was obviously identifying himself 1254 01:18:22,312 --> 01:18:25,872 and wanting to know his alibi for the day of the Jill Dando murder. 1255 01:18:28,472 --> 01:18:32,792 We had started work on the background to Bulsara 1256 01:18:32,872 --> 01:18:36,112 and it had shown that he had got a previous conviction. 1257 01:18:36,871 --> 01:18:38,351 But that was not his real name. 1258 01:18:39,552 --> 01:18:43,112 We had been trying to find him to take a witness statement. 1259 01:18:43,192 --> 01:18:47,912 Eventually, detectives went to the unemployment benefit office. 1260 01:18:47,992 --> 01:18:50,871 That's where we met him and commenced the first interview 1261 01:18:50,952 --> 01:18:52,552 and spoke with him about the matter. 1262 01:18:53,592 --> 01:18:55,112 And that man was Barry George. 1263 01:18:55,192 --> 01:18:56,712 [gripping music playing] 1264 01:18:59,032 --> 01:19:01,192 How would I describe Barry George? 1265 01:19:02,272 --> 01:19:04,672 I thought his behavior was dysfunctional. 1266 01:19:05,831 --> 01:19:11,112 He was always being someone else. He was using personas, celebrity names. 1267 01:19:12,032 --> 01:19:14,512 Paul Gadd is the real name of Gary Glitter. 1268 01:19:14,592 --> 01:19:16,072 [imperceptible] 1269 01:19:16,152 --> 01:19:19,272 Those names of Gadd, Bulsara were the names 1270 01:19:19,351 --> 01:19:22,472 under which Barry George had previously been convicted 1271 01:19:22,552 --> 01:19:24,112 and was known to the police. 1272 01:19:28,392 --> 01:19:33,392 George had received a conviction for attempted rape in the name of Gadd. 1273 01:19:34,112 --> 01:19:37,832 And he had also received a conviction for an indecent assault on a woman. 1274 01:19:39,472 --> 01:19:44,712 I just thought it was very interesting to have a man living so close by 1275 01:19:44,792 --> 01:19:49,232 with the background that we had started to understand about him 1276 01:19:49,312 --> 01:19:54,152 being the very person who was the subject of two, three, four phone calls 1277 01:19:54,712 --> 01:19:56,752 in the first month of the murder. 1278 01:19:57,352 --> 01:20:01,432 So, authority was given to put him under full 24-hour surveillance. 1279 01:20:01,512 --> 01:20:03,272 [intriguing music playing] 1280 01:20:07,392 --> 01:20:09,832 He did fit that category of a loner. 1281 01:20:10,912 --> 01:20:15,152 He was unemployed and he really just wandered around. 1282 01:20:21,232 --> 01:20:23,392 He spent all his day wandering the street, 1283 01:20:23,472 --> 01:20:25,712 approaching people, approaching women. 1284 01:20:27,192 --> 01:20:29,312 If it wasn't stalking, it was following. 1285 01:20:29,392 --> 01:20:30,552 [camera shutter clicks] 1286 01:20:32,592 --> 01:20:35,872 His obsessive behavior presented as troubling features 1287 01:20:35,952 --> 01:20:39,672 which I thought we needed to… to move on very quickly. 1288 01:20:40,792 --> 01:20:44,072 They authorized a search warrant of his house 1289 01:20:44,152 --> 01:20:46,752 and officers went to the premises to search it. 1290 01:20:46,832 --> 01:20:48,712 [gripping music playing] 1291 01:20:53,152 --> 01:20:58,312 So myself and two officers went to his home address, 1292 01:20:58,392 --> 01:20:59,992 knocked on the door repeatedly. 1293 01:21:00,072 --> 01:21:04,072 There was no answer, so we forced the door open. 1294 01:21:11,832 --> 01:21:16,192 [officer] These sacks on the left, is that some of the detritus from his bedroom? 1295 01:21:16,272 --> 01:21:18,032 [tense music playing] 1296 01:21:24,872 --> 01:21:27,592 [Charlie] It smelt. It was chaotic. 1297 01:21:28,472 --> 01:21:32,872 In the main bedroom, there were black bin liners stacked up. 1298 01:21:33,472 --> 01:21:37,032 Clearly the rubbish hadn't been taken out for a very long time, if ever. 1299 01:21:38,712 --> 01:21:40,152 [camera shutter clicking] 1300 01:21:42,672 --> 01:21:45,472 Newspapers strewn all over the room. 1301 01:21:46,112 --> 01:21:49,872 There were ants and there were all sorts of things on the kitchen surfaces. 1302 01:21:52,392 --> 01:21:55,872 There was, uh, excrement around the flat, piles of it. 1303 01:21:59,992 --> 01:22:03,192 If you put that scene in a movie, you wouldn't believe it 1304 01:22:03,272 --> 01:22:06,192 because you would think, [scoffs] "No, this is too much." 1305 01:22:06,272 --> 01:22:09,272 It… It's over exaggerated. But it was real. 1306 01:22:13,392 --> 01:22:18,512 You've got to ask, what kind of mind is this person that lives there? 1307 01:22:19,752 --> 01:22:20,952 [dog barking distantly] 1308 01:22:23,512 --> 01:22:27,352 We were clearly looking for firearms. Clothing we were looking for. 1309 01:22:27,432 --> 01:22:29,792 Literature in relation to Jill Dando. 1310 01:22:29,872 --> 01:22:31,832 [camera shutter clicking rapidly] 1311 01:22:35,952 --> 01:22:37,832 We found a three-quarter length coat, 1312 01:22:37,912 --> 01:22:41,832 which was very similar to the one that witnesses had described. 1313 01:22:43,792 --> 01:22:46,232 We found part of a gun holster. 1314 01:22:46,312 --> 01:22:49,792 We found a handwritten list of firearms. 1315 01:22:49,872 --> 01:22:52,672 We recovered a lot of undeveloped film. 1316 01:22:53,312 --> 01:22:57,472 We found a number of magazines relating to firearms, 1317 01:22:57,552 --> 01:22:59,752 relating to martial arts. 1318 01:23:00,712 --> 01:23:03,432 News media coverage of Jill Dando. 1319 01:23:03,512 --> 01:23:05,072 [suspenseful music playing] 1320 01:23:05,992 --> 01:23:07,352 [camera shutter clicks] 1321 01:23:07,432 --> 01:23:11,912 [Hamish] It certainly presented as very suspicious material recovered 1322 01:23:11,992 --> 01:23:15,112 from a man within half a mile of Gowan Avenue. 1323 01:23:17,032 --> 01:23:20,872 But there was no material found which was a direct link 1324 01:23:20,952 --> 01:23:24,312 between George and the crime scene or the murder of Jill Dando. 1325 01:23:26,672 --> 01:23:29,872 I was really concerned that we were going to be 100% right. 1326 01:23:29,952 --> 01:23:31,472 Because whoever we arrested 1327 01:23:32,272 --> 01:23:35,952 was going to be the subject of such scrutiny and oversight. 1328 01:23:36,032 --> 01:23:39,152 So I was determined that everything we did was correct. 1329 01:23:39,232 --> 01:23:43,712 It was essential to complete as much as possible before he was arrested. 1330 01:23:47,112 --> 01:23:50,472 [Charlie] During the course of the search of Mr. George's flat, 1331 01:23:51,872 --> 01:23:54,832 we recovered a lot of undeveloped film. 1332 01:23:55,872 --> 01:23:59,792 I took them to our photographic branch to be developed. 1333 01:23:59,872 --> 01:24:02,152 Clearly we needed to see what was on them. 1334 01:24:04,392 --> 01:24:06,712 [Hamish] I remember looking at all these photographs. 1335 01:24:06,792 --> 01:24:09,952 And when I looked there were just hundreds of different women. 1336 01:24:10,032 --> 01:24:11,432 [camera shutter clicking] 1337 01:24:12,472 --> 01:24:14,032 [unsettling music playing] 1338 01:24:14,112 --> 01:24:17,352 Women in the park, women in the street. 1339 01:24:17,432 --> 01:24:19,952 A lot of them were photographs of women from behind. 1340 01:24:20,952 --> 01:24:22,672 Some of them were from a distance. 1341 01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:28,792 One of them was also from a woman in Gowan Avenue, 1342 01:24:28,872 --> 01:24:30,712 right next door to number 29. 1343 01:24:32,992 --> 01:24:37,952 And in amongst them was a picture of Barry George 1344 01:24:38,032 --> 01:24:40,472 holding a handgun and wearing a gas mask. 1345 01:24:47,792 --> 01:24:51,672 That was sent back to the laboratory for immediate analysis of it. 1346 01:24:52,552 --> 01:24:54,432 And the gun expert at the laboratory, 1347 01:24:55,152 --> 01:24:58,712 he told us that it appeared to be 1348 01:24:58,792 --> 01:25:02,592 an 8mm Bruni firing gun. 1349 01:25:03,552 --> 01:25:07,672 One of the types of firearms that it was reported killed Jill Dando. 1350 01:25:07,752 --> 01:25:10,312 [male reporter] Police know the weapon used in the murder 1351 01:25:10,392 --> 01:25:12,792 was a semi-automatic handgun similar to this one. 1352 01:25:13,552 --> 01:25:16,752 [Hamish] I declared that George was a suspect 1353 01:25:16,832 --> 01:25:18,312 for the murder of Jill Dando. 1354 01:25:18,792 --> 01:25:22,072 And the date finally settled on was on the 25th of May 1355 01:25:22,152 --> 01:25:23,672 was the plan for his arrest. 1356 01:25:31,272 --> 01:25:34,712 [male reporter] Police hunting the killer of the television presenter, Jill Dando, 1357 01:25:34,792 --> 01:25:37,512 have been holding a man all day on suspicion of murder. 1358 01:25:37,592 --> 01:25:41,952 He was arrested shortly after dawn. Detectives say it's highly significant. 1359 01:25:42,032 --> 01:25:44,272 -[interrogator] Did you kill Jill Dando? -No, sir. 1360 01:25:45,832 --> 01:25:46,992 [sighs] 1361 01:25:48,712 --> 01:25:51,872 -[woman] A little bit of water? -[Barry] Definitely, yeah. 1362 01:25:53,072 --> 01:25:53,912 Thank you. 1363 01:25:54,712 --> 01:25:56,592 [woman] So, Barry, are you all right? 1364 01:25:56,672 --> 01:25:58,152 -Mm-hmm. -Feeling okay? 1365 01:25:58,832 --> 01:25:59,752 Um… 1366 01:26:00,432 --> 01:26:01,872 [breathing heavily] 1367 01:26:01,952 --> 01:26:03,952 [somber music playing] 1368 01:28:18,856 --> 01:28:20,856 [This Morning theme music playing] 1369 01:28:24,056 --> 01:28:26,816 We all heard the shocking news that Jill Dando had been murdered 1370 01:28:26,896 --> 01:28:28,136 on her own doorstep. 1371 01:28:28,216 --> 01:28:31,456 Do you think you can look forward to another phase in your life? 1372 01:28:31,536 --> 01:28:33,815 Jill was a very positive person 1373 01:28:33,896 --> 01:28:36,896 and she would want us to do something positive. 1374 01:28:37,616 --> 01:28:41,296 [woman] It had been a whole year since Jill had been shot 1375 01:28:42,096 --> 01:28:44,136 and they hadn't found someone for it. 1376 01:28:44,216 --> 01:28:47,136 How are you now? Time does heal. Are you on the road? 1377 01:28:47,216 --> 01:28:49,936 A lot of people have given me enormous support. 1378 01:28:50,016 --> 01:28:53,056 [woman] She was the darling of Britain. 1379 01:28:54,256 --> 01:28:58,216 And that just, it beggared belief that they couldn't find 1380 01:28:58,296 --> 01:29:00,216 the person who killed Jill Dando. 1381 01:29:00,296 --> 01:29:02,096 [tense music playing] 1382 01:29:03,056 --> 01:29:06,616 And I was busy getting ready to go to a prayer meeting. 1383 01:29:06,696 --> 01:29:08,376 [reporter] Good morning, the headlines. 1384 01:29:08,456 --> 01:29:11,856 [male reporter] The man held by Scotland Yard on suspicion of murdering 1385 01:29:11,936 --> 01:29:14,056 the BBC TV presenter Jill Dando… 1386 01:29:14,136 --> 01:29:18,096 [woman] I heard on the news that somebody had been arrested. 1387 01:29:18,176 --> 01:29:20,856 [male reporter] …who lives half a mile from Ms. Dando's former home. 1388 01:29:20,936 --> 01:29:24,496 And I thought that was wonderful, at long last, 1389 01:29:24,576 --> 01:29:28,296 someone was going to be brought up for Jill's killing. 1390 01:29:28,376 --> 01:29:31,696 [male reporter] The police have removed items from his home for examination. 1391 01:29:31,776 --> 01:29:35,256 [woman] And then the newscaster said his name is… 1392 01:29:35,336 --> 01:29:36,936 [male reporter] …Barry Bulsara. 1393 01:29:37,616 --> 01:29:39,016 [woman] I just went numb. 1394 01:29:39,976 --> 01:29:43,776 I just thought, no, it can't be the same Barry Bulsara. 1395 01:29:46,176 --> 01:29:48,496 This is utter madness. 1396 01:29:51,776 --> 01:29:52,976 That was my brother. 1397 01:29:56,976 --> 01:29:58,096 Could he have done it? 1398 01:30:07,856 --> 01:30:09,856 [siren wailing] 1399 01:30:12,456 --> 01:30:14,256 [sirens wailing] 1400 01:30:14,336 --> 01:30:16,776 [male reporter] Today, Scotland Yard issued a statement 1401 01:30:16,856 --> 01:30:18,376 to say a man was arrested 1402 01:30:18,456 --> 01:30:20,336 on suspicion of murdering Jill Dando. 1403 01:30:20,416 --> 01:30:22,856 [female reporter] Scotland Yard has not confirmed 1404 01:30:22,936 --> 01:30:25,096 the identity of the man they're questioning. 1405 01:30:26,775 --> 01:30:28,495 [gripping music playing] 1406 01:30:31,576 --> 01:30:34,656 [Hamish] It was a big step to arrest the man 1407 01:30:35,616 --> 01:30:37,936 suspected or accused of killing Jill Dando. 1408 01:30:38,936 --> 01:30:39,936 [indistinct chatter] 1409 01:30:40,016 --> 01:30:42,456 [male police officer] It is, uh, 27. 1410 01:30:45,856 --> 01:30:50,296 [Hamish] I wrote in my logs, "I fear it was the ill man, the loner, 1411 01:30:52,336 --> 01:30:54,256 the infatuated, the psychopath, 1412 01:30:55,096 --> 01:30:58,416 the disturbed or the obsessed who was responsible." 1413 01:31:00,616 --> 01:31:02,456 Barry George fit that category. 1414 01:31:08,456 --> 01:31:09,456 [clears throat] 1415 01:31:09,536 --> 01:31:10,576 [inhales sharply] 1416 01:31:11,896 --> 01:31:13,176 [breathing heavily] 1417 01:31:15,336 --> 01:31:17,536 [Hamish] The Jill Dando murder was considered 1418 01:31:17,616 --> 01:31:20,136 as one of the biggest homicide investigations 1419 01:31:20,216 --> 01:31:22,296 conducted by the Metropolitan Police. 1420 01:31:23,216 --> 01:31:27,616 Four thousand people had been spoken to or interviewed in one way or another. 1421 01:31:28,976 --> 01:31:33,136 So, I was just focused on getting it right. 1422 01:31:37,976 --> 01:31:40,856 [male interrogator] Do you agree that you possessed a gun? 1423 01:31:41,736 --> 01:31:42,856 Replica. 1424 01:31:43,416 --> 01:31:46,016 So we accept that you possessed the replica gun? 1425 01:31:46,096 --> 01:31:47,056 Yes, sir. 1426 01:31:47,136 --> 01:31:50,056 [Hamish] What was interesting was he answered the questions 1427 01:31:50,136 --> 01:31:51,216 during the interview. 1428 01:31:51,296 --> 01:31:54,056 Not a gun. A replica gun. 1429 01:31:54,136 --> 01:31:57,856 Most people being interviewed for a murder would not answer any questions. 1430 01:31:58,656 --> 01:32:00,296 [breathing heavily] 1431 01:32:00,936 --> 01:32:03,496 [female interviewer] I'm going to ask you a few questions. 1432 01:32:03,576 --> 01:32:06,616 I just want you to try and remember 1433 01:32:06,696 --> 01:32:10,896 what it was like when you were detained and arrested. 1434 01:32:11,536 --> 01:32:13,576 The police wanted to speak to me, 1435 01:32:13,656 --> 01:32:15,936 what for, I don't know, you know, 1436 01:32:16,016 --> 01:32:18,456 because I haven't committed any crime. 1437 01:32:18,536 --> 01:32:22,536 So did you know who Jill Dando was? 1438 01:32:23,136 --> 01:32:27,696 I've never met her in my life. Didn't know who she was. 1439 01:32:28,456 --> 01:32:33,496 The police, over and over grilled me about it. 1440 01:32:33,576 --> 01:32:36,255 And I really did not know who she was. 1441 01:32:37,296 --> 01:32:39,096 [male interrogator] Did you ever buy 1442 01:32:39,176 --> 01:32:41,696 a G145, 8mm, blank-firing government automatic? 1443 01:32:41,776 --> 01:32:42,696 [Barry] No, sir. 1444 01:32:42,776 --> 01:32:45,016 -Have you ever possessed one of those? -No, sir. 1445 01:32:45,096 --> 01:32:47,216 -Have you ever handled one of those? -No, sir. 1446 01:32:47,296 --> 01:32:49,696 -Have you ever fired one of those? -No, sir. 1447 01:32:51,496 --> 01:32:53,416 We knew that he was lying. 1448 01:32:54,176 --> 01:32:56,016 [suspenseful music playing] 1449 01:32:56,096 --> 01:32:58,696 We had a photograph of George holding this pistol, 1450 01:32:58,776 --> 01:33:04,416 which was one of the types of firearms that it was reported killed Jill Dando. 1451 01:33:06,936 --> 01:33:09,536 [male interrogator] Do you recognize the person in the picture? 1452 01:33:16,376 --> 01:33:20,296 The picture that was taken, it's not me in that picture. 1453 01:33:26,536 --> 01:33:28,696 [male interrogator] Who do you think it is? 1454 01:33:30,056 --> 01:33:31,056 Could be anyone. 1455 01:33:32,096 --> 01:33:33,896 That's a picture of you, Mr. George. 1456 01:33:34,856 --> 01:33:36,856 [BBC News theme music playing] 1457 01:33:41,776 --> 01:33:43,776 Good evening. Police hunting the killer 1458 01:33:43,856 --> 01:33:47,376 of the television presenter Jill Dando have been holding a man all day… 1459 01:33:47,456 --> 01:33:50,176 On suspicion of murder in connection with last year's killing 1460 01:33:50,256 --> 01:33:53,536 of popular BBC television personality Jill Dando. 1461 01:33:58,856 --> 01:34:03,536 The story of Barry George's arrest was probably almost as big 1462 01:34:03,616 --> 01:34:06,696 as the story of Jill Dando's murder in the first place. 1463 01:34:08,216 --> 01:34:11,096 The people I worked for, they just wanted to know everything, 1464 01:34:11,176 --> 01:34:16,256 who is this guy, from cradle to grave? You know, every cough and splutter. 1465 01:34:16,856 --> 01:34:18,776 I started working my contacts. 1466 01:34:18,856 --> 01:34:21,176 I eventually got through to somebody 1467 01:34:21,256 --> 01:34:24,656 and my source was higher up the chain of command. 1468 01:34:26,216 --> 01:34:29,696 He said to me that, you know, he's a guy called Barry Bulsara. 1469 01:34:30,336 --> 01:34:35,496 Barry Bulsara? I said, you know, is he related to Freddie Mercury? 1470 01:34:35,576 --> 01:34:40,136 I knew that his real name was Bulsara, very unusual surname. 1471 01:34:40,216 --> 01:34:42,536 And I thought, that can't be a coincidence. 1472 01:34:42,616 --> 01:34:44,296 [gripping music playing] 1473 01:34:44,376 --> 01:34:48,696 [male reporter] The forensic examination of the suspect's home and its contents 1474 01:34:48,776 --> 01:34:51,176 is likely to continue throughout the day. 1475 01:34:51,256 --> 01:34:54,696 [Jon] It was in all the newspapers, on all the news channels. 1476 01:34:54,776 --> 01:34:58,016 Police over here are saying that this is a very significant development 1477 01:34:58,096 --> 01:35:00,696 in what's been a 13-month-long investigation. 1478 01:35:00,776 --> 01:35:03,936 My phone rang off the hook with every journalist in the universe 1479 01:35:04,016 --> 01:35:06,376 trying to find, you know, get a quote. 1480 01:35:06,456 --> 01:35:09,096 Police are still questioning a man in London tonight. 1481 01:35:09,176 --> 01:35:12,896 And it was obvious to me that this was the biggest event of the year. 1482 01:35:12,976 --> 01:35:16,096 After 24 hours, they could apply for an extension 1483 01:35:16,176 --> 01:35:18,616 to hold him for further questioning. 1484 01:35:18,696 --> 01:35:22,176 [Jeff] The answer coming back from Freddie Mercury's representatives 1485 01:35:22,256 --> 01:35:24,096 was he doesn't have a cousin called Barry 1486 01:35:24,176 --> 01:35:26,096 and hasn't a clue who this bloke is. 1487 01:35:26,176 --> 01:35:28,536 [male reporter] The singer's family denied any connection. 1488 01:35:28,616 --> 01:35:30,336 [Jeff] So I said, "So what are we saying?" 1489 01:35:30,416 --> 01:35:34,216 "Is this guy some sort of fantasist?" And he said, "Well, put it this way, 1490 01:35:34,296 --> 01:35:36,656 he doesn't appear to be the full ticket." 1491 01:35:36,736 --> 01:35:38,856 [solemn music playing] 1492 01:35:47,056 --> 01:35:50,216 I took great heart from the fact that 1493 01:35:50,296 --> 01:35:53,256 nobody knew that his surname was George. 1494 01:35:56,416 --> 01:35:58,736 We're just an ordinary family. 1495 01:35:58,816 --> 01:36:01,216 These things don't happen to ordinary people. 1496 01:36:02,656 --> 01:36:06,296 I thought that the whole thing was going to fall apart 1497 01:36:06,376 --> 01:36:11,176 and we'd never have to tell people that this happened to us. 1498 01:36:15,456 --> 01:36:18,376 I believed it was a mistake. 1499 01:36:18,456 --> 01:36:23,536 They would soon realize, "No, we've got the wrong guy," and they would let him go. 1500 01:36:29,936 --> 01:36:34,656 It is important to give everybody the chance to be innocent 1501 01:36:34,736 --> 01:36:36,656 and let them demonstrate that 1502 01:36:36,736 --> 01:36:39,376 because they will soon unravel if they're not. 1503 01:36:39,456 --> 01:36:41,816 -[male interrogator] Do you tell lies? -No, sir. 1504 01:36:43,016 --> 01:36:45,416 -Are you Freddie Mercury's cousin? -No, sir. 1505 01:36:45,496 --> 01:36:47,936 Have you told people you're Freddie Mercury's cousin? 1506 01:36:48,016 --> 01:36:49,456 I have done, sir. 1507 01:36:49,536 --> 01:36:51,655 -Is that a lie, Mr. George? -Yes, sir. 1508 01:36:52,856 --> 01:36:54,936 Things just turned from bad to worse. 1509 01:36:55,016 --> 01:36:56,376 [tense music playing] 1510 01:36:56,456 --> 01:37:00,216 I'm thinking, now you're trying to put me in a frame, 1511 01:37:00,295 --> 01:37:04,656 use me as a, you know, scapegoat. That's as simple as that. 1512 01:37:05,656 --> 01:37:08,496 [male interrogator] What's your interest in Jill Dando? 1513 01:37:08,576 --> 01:37:10,816 I don't have an interest in Jill Dando, sir. 1514 01:37:12,136 --> 01:37:15,736 I would have had no knowledge of who she was. 1515 01:37:15,816 --> 01:37:18,456 [male interrogator] Do you know who Jill Dando was? 1516 01:37:18,536 --> 01:37:23,616 Until after her, um, death, I had no idea. 1517 01:37:23,696 --> 01:37:27,336 The position that Barry George maintained that he didn't know Jill Dando, 1518 01:37:27,416 --> 01:37:30,256 he'd never heard of her, that was a lie. 1519 01:37:32,776 --> 01:37:37,296 We found photographs of television presenters from his flat, always female. 1520 01:37:38,216 --> 01:37:40,736 Many people are interested in celebrities. 1521 01:37:40,816 --> 01:37:43,416 They're autograph hunters or they go to locations. 1522 01:37:43,496 --> 01:37:48,936 But Barry George's interest appeared to be private and almost secret. 1523 01:37:51,176 --> 01:37:53,096 Barry George knew of Jill Dando. 1524 01:37:54,416 --> 01:37:56,216 It was frustrating and difficult. 1525 01:37:56,296 --> 01:38:00,336 I mean, despite all the information we'd found in the intelligence, 1526 01:38:00,416 --> 01:38:02,456 there was nothing there at that time 1527 01:38:02,536 --> 01:38:05,256 where we could charge George with murdering Jill Dando. 1528 01:38:08,616 --> 01:38:12,816 We had the maximum of 96 hours in custody. 1529 01:38:12,896 --> 01:38:16,696 He either had to be charged or released at that stage. 1530 01:38:19,456 --> 01:38:24,056 [Charlie] The public, watching programs like Crime Scene Investigator, CSI, 1531 01:38:24,136 --> 01:38:27,656 they want the smoking gun. They want the hard, firm evidence 1532 01:38:27,736 --> 01:38:31,976 that in reality just doesn't always exist in investigations. 1533 01:38:32,056 --> 01:38:33,816 [gripping music playing] 1534 01:38:33,896 --> 01:38:37,816 Investigation is about methodology, uh, and process. 1535 01:38:39,336 --> 01:38:41,416 I went back to the forensic exhibits. 1536 01:38:42,296 --> 01:38:45,736 I searched his home address. We found a coat. 1537 01:38:47,136 --> 01:38:49,896 The three-quarter length coat which was very similar 1538 01:38:49,976 --> 01:38:54,176 to the one that witnesses had described as being worn by the shooter. 1539 01:38:56,096 --> 01:39:00,856 It had been photographed at the laboratory and sent for forensic analysis. 1540 01:39:05,456 --> 01:39:09,176 [Barry] Allegedly, the coat that they recovered for evidence, 1541 01:39:09,256 --> 01:39:12,256 it was a black cashmere coat, just like this one. 1542 01:39:13,136 --> 01:39:19,216 And if I had been the perpetrator, there'd be cashmere and wool evidence. 1543 01:39:19,296 --> 01:39:20,376 Thousands of fibers. 1544 01:39:23,136 --> 01:39:25,696 [Hamish] Forensic material erodes very quickly. 1545 01:39:25,776 --> 01:39:28,616 So the idea there would be blood, 1546 01:39:29,616 --> 01:39:33,616 fibers or gunshot residue would be minimal 1547 01:39:33,696 --> 01:39:35,856 because we were a year behind. 1548 01:39:36,816 --> 01:39:38,976 If we couldn't find any direct evidence 1549 01:39:39,056 --> 01:39:41,736 which could link George to that crime scene, 1550 01:39:42,376 --> 01:39:43,576 he would need to be released. 1551 01:39:45,576 --> 01:39:47,416 And then we received the report. 1552 01:39:48,616 --> 01:39:52,176 The laboratory had found a single particle of gunshot residue 1553 01:39:52,256 --> 01:39:55,736 in the inside coat pocket of the three-quarter length coat. 1554 01:39:58,256 --> 01:40:02,856 George had been in the presence of discharged gunshot residue. 1555 01:40:03,776 --> 01:40:06,056 And of all the types it could have been, 1556 01:40:06,136 --> 01:40:09,696 that particle was the same type as found at the crime scene. 1557 01:40:11,096 --> 01:40:14,536 This changed the investigation dramatically. 1558 01:40:14,616 --> 01:40:17,256 [male interrogator] How do you explain the firearms residue 1559 01:40:17,336 --> 01:40:19,216 in your coat pocket, Mr. George? 1560 01:40:19,296 --> 01:40:22,216 The coat pocket of the coat that you may have been wearing 1561 01:40:22,296 --> 01:40:25,056 on the day that Jill Dando was killed. How do you explain that? 1562 01:40:28,056 --> 01:40:29,096 I can't explain. 1563 01:40:29,936 --> 01:40:32,696 I have no knowledge. 1564 01:40:32,776 --> 01:40:36,016 [Hamish] That's when his solicitor advised him to make no further comment. 1565 01:40:37,216 --> 01:40:39,216 We had sufficient evidence now. 1566 01:40:41,416 --> 01:40:44,336 And he was charged with the murder of Jill Dando. 1567 01:40:46,136 --> 01:40:49,536 [male reporter] After four days of questioning at Hammersmith police station 1568 01:40:49,616 --> 01:40:53,576 in West London, the self-styled Barry Bulsara was charged with murder 1569 01:40:53,656 --> 01:40:56,736 under his original name of Barry Michael George. 1570 01:40:57,296 --> 01:40:59,816 The detective leading the inquiry, Hamish Campbell, 1571 01:40:59,896 --> 01:41:02,296 left the police station without comment. 1572 01:41:02,376 --> 01:41:05,776 Mr. Bulsara was driven away to a jail in South London. 1573 01:41:05,856 --> 01:41:07,896 [female reporter] Tonight, Barry Bulsara 1574 01:41:07,976 --> 01:41:10,336 is spending his first night in prison after being charged 1575 01:41:10,416 --> 01:41:12,296 with the murder of Jill Dando. 1576 01:41:16,056 --> 01:41:18,736 [Michelle] I was in a department store in Cork 1577 01:41:19,696 --> 01:41:23,096 and I got a phone call from Barry's solicitor. 1578 01:41:23,176 --> 01:41:27,136 I thought that she was ringing me to say, "Okay, they're going to let him go." 1579 01:41:27,216 --> 01:41:28,896 But that wasn't what she said. 1580 01:41:29,816 --> 01:41:31,856 She said, "I'm really sorry." 1581 01:41:32,696 --> 01:41:36,576 "I have to tell you that they're going to charge him." 1582 01:41:38,616 --> 01:41:44,096 And she said, "They found this particle of gunshot residue on his coat." 1583 01:41:44,176 --> 01:41:47,736 At that moment I had to ask, "Could he have done it?" 1584 01:41:48,296 --> 01:41:50,696 [suspenseful music playing] 1585 01:41:55,416 --> 01:42:00,056 I spent 32 years in prison and I was serving a sentence in Belmarsh. 1586 01:42:01,176 --> 01:42:03,976 I knew a journalist who worked for Punch magazine. 1587 01:42:04,656 --> 01:42:09,256 He phoned me up one day and said, "Barry George was arrested 1588 01:42:09,336 --> 01:42:13,816 and on remand for high-profile execution-style murder with a firearm." 1589 01:42:14,656 --> 01:42:17,016 "Is there any chance you can get a personal interview?" 1590 01:42:17,096 --> 01:42:18,736 So I said, "Well, yeah." 1591 01:42:18,816 --> 01:42:22,256 I put the phone down, sidled up to a friendly screw. 1592 01:42:22,336 --> 01:42:25,816 I said, "I hear Barry George is in here." He said, "Yeah, he's in the hospital." 1593 01:42:26,176 --> 01:42:30,576 Okay. I went back to my cell. Half hour later, I faked a heart attack. 1594 01:42:32,256 --> 01:42:36,536 Uh, so the screws come rushing in, took me over to Belmarsh hospital, 1595 01:42:37,176 --> 01:42:39,976 and I spotted him from the newspaper pictures. 1596 01:42:41,136 --> 01:42:43,096 Tried to start a conversation with him. 1597 01:42:43,176 --> 01:42:45,256 Obviously, I couldn't write anything down 1598 01:42:45,336 --> 01:42:48,736 because, you know, I'm over there for a suspected heart attack, 1599 01:42:48,816 --> 01:42:51,376 and if I had a notebook and a pen, they'd get suspicious. 1600 01:42:54,696 --> 01:42:57,856 First question I asked him, "All right, mate. What's your name?" 1601 01:42:57,936 --> 01:42:59,416 And he went, "Barry." 1602 01:43:00,256 --> 01:43:03,536 I went, "Okay." I said, uh, "Do you like guns?" 1603 01:43:03,616 --> 01:43:08,416 He looked at me for a minute and he said, "I like Guns N' Roses." 1604 01:43:10,536 --> 01:43:13,496 And I remember thinking, he's got to be drugged out of it 1605 01:43:13,576 --> 01:43:15,696 because he was so slow in his speech. 1606 01:43:15,776 --> 01:43:18,096 And obviously I wanted the juicy story, didn't I? 1607 01:43:18,176 --> 01:43:21,296 "Yes, I killed Jill Dando." That's going to be my journalistic coup. 1608 01:43:21,376 --> 01:43:23,216 Uh, "Did you do the murder?" 1609 01:43:24,256 --> 01:43:25,856 And he went, "No." 1610 01:43:25,936 --> 01:43:30,296 And I went, "You know who was murdered?" And he went, "Yeah, it was Jill Dando." 1611 01:43:30,376 --> 01:43:31,576 [imperceptible] 1612 01:43:34,336 --> 01:43:35,856 I looked at him and I thought, 1613 01:43:35,936 --> 01:43:38,456 "There's something not quite right about this guy." 1614 01:43:38,536 --> 01:43:40,176 [intriguing music playing] 1615 01:43:40,256 --> 01:43:43,616 I sent the interview and I said, "I've spoken to him." 1616 01:43:43,696 --> 01:43:48,136 "He's not capable of committing a cold-blooded execution in broad daylight 1617 01:43:48,216 --> 01:43:50,336 and then not speaking about it for a year." 1618 01:43:50,416 --> 01:43:53,776 "No way," I said, "there's no way he could keep that secret." 1619 01:43:56,856 --> 01:44:00,176 Seeing Barry behind the horrible Perspex screen, 1620 01:44:00,856 --> 01:44:03,976 it was the most awful thing. 1621 01:44:05,976 --> 01:44:11,576 He looked so vulnerable and we couldn't touch, 1622 01:44:11,656 --> 01:44:17,896 but he put his hand up against the glass like that. And I put mine. 1623 01:44:18,616 --> 01:44:23,696 He just looked straight in my eyes and he said, "I didn't do it." 1624 01:44:23,776 --> 01:44:26,776 And I thought, "Right. That's enough for me." 1625 01:44:27,696 --> 01:44:31,256 I just said, "We will fight this." 1626 01:44:33,656 --> 01:44:38,456 We needed to get the best legal representation we could. 1627 01:44:38,536 --> 01:44:40,496 [man] Michael Mansfield, slate nine. 1628 01:44:41,616 --> 01:44:44,096 [male interviewer] It would be helpful if you could list 1629 01:44:44,176 --> 01:44:46,536 some of the major cases that you've worked on. 1630 01:44:46,616 --> 01:44:47,816 How long have you got? 1631 01:44:47,896 --> 01:44:50,776 [male reporter 1] There were serious acts of violence 1632 01:44:50,856 --> 01:44:52,896 by senior and junior police officers… 1633 01:44:52,976 --> 01:44:56,376 [male reporter 2] Michael Mansfield is a high-profile barrister. 1634 01:44:56,456 --> 01:44:59,336 He's represented the likes of the Birmingham Six. 1635 01:44:59,416 --> 01:45:02,456 Guildford Four, Tottenham Three, Cardiff Five. 1636 01:45:03,136 --> 01:45:06,496 Bloody Sunday in the north of Ireland. Hillsborough. 1637 01:45:07,136 --> 01:45:10,136 A full examination of the issues and the truth of what went on 1638 01:45:10,216 --> 01:45:12,216 hasn't even been fully explored yet. 1639 01:45:12,336 --> 01:45:15,496 Mohamed Al-Fayed and Diana, that's pretty big. 1640 01:45:15,616 --> 01:45:18,776 A whole series of cases involving the Black community, 1641 01:45:18,856 --> 01:45:22,616 and then that culminated with the Lawrence inquiry. 1642 01:45:28,815 --> 01:45:30,496 [pensive music playing] 1643 01:45:30,575 --> 01:45:35,456 When I first met Barry, it took a little while to create, 1644 01:45:35,536 --> 01:45:37,456 as it sometimes does, a relationship. 1645 01:45:40,256 --> 01:45:44,335 I didn't recognize just how serious 1646 01:45:44,416 --> 01:45:47,496 the workings of his mind were. 1647 01:45:48,096 --> 01:45:51,296 He didn't respond in the way that people usually did. 1648 01:45:52,256 --> 01:45:57,736 My concern then was the police allowed the case to be infused with this theory 1649 01:45:57,816 --> 01:46:00,416 that it was this loner man. 1650 01:46:01,696 --> 01:46:03,376 What is the case against him? 1651 01:46:03,456 --> 01:46:08,096 That he's an oddball character, he has an obsession with women, 1652 01:46:08,176 --> 01:46:10,056 but not particularly with Jill Dando. 1653 01:46:11,336 --> 01:46:13,376 He had an interest in guns. 1654 01:46:13,456 --> 01:46:18,296 And all of that produces an incontrovertible case 1655 01:46:18,376 --> 01:46:20,376 that he's the man who did it. 1656 01:46:21,496 --> 01:46:22,736 No, it doesn't. 1657 01:46:23,776 --> 01:46:27,416 Now, if I were a police officer, I'd approach it a different way. 1658 01:46:29,376 --> 01:46:34,536 Nearly every crime scene has the answer within the scene. 1659 01:46:37,976 --> 01:46:40,056 I went on a bicycle to have a look at it. 1660 01:46:41,656 --> 01:46:42,936 The front garden's tiny. 1661 01:46:44,056 --> 01:46:48,296 It'd take you four or five paces from the gate. It's nothing. 1662 01:46:50,656 --> 01:46:54,856 Between the time she clicks her driver's door closed, 1663 01:46:54,936 --> 01:46:59,856 walks to the front door, it's a matter of yards only. 1664 01:47:00,736 --> 01:47:04,576 It cannot have been a lone gunman. [chuckles] 1665 01:47:04,656 --> 01:47:06,776 [intriguing music playing] 1666 01:47:06,856 --> 01:47:10,456 It has to have been somebody with inside information. 1667 01:47:10,536 --> 01:47:15,336 Every time you put Barry George into the role of the executioner, 1668 01:47:15,416 --> 01:47:16,536 it doesn't work. 1669 01:47:16,616 --> 01:47:21,296 He'd had to have had the loaded gun on him ready to fire 1670 01:47:21,376 --> 01:47:25,816 and be crouched in the front garden so that she didn't see that he was there. 1671 01:47:26,456 --> 01:47:28,536 Well, he'd have to be there for hours. 1672 01:47:30,696 --> 01:47:31,856 Doesn't add up. 1673 01:47:35,016 --> 01:47:39,096 I realized that this was an injustice in the making. 1674 01:47:40,616 --> 01:47:47,336 So then, what kicks in is the feeling of, sadness is the wrong word, anger. 1675 01:47:47,416 --> 01:47:48,776 I want to do something about it. 1676 01:47:48,856 --> 01:47:50,736 [gripping music playing] 1677 01:47:51,816 --> 01:47:52,856 [metal door slams] 1678 01:47:53,696 --> 01:47:56,216 I had to ask myself, "Well, is it right?" 1679 01:47:56,296 --> 01:48:00,056 "Is it fair? Is he fit to stand trial, understand the proceedings?" 1680 01:48:01,896 --> 01:48:06,456 And so I'd asked him to be examined by the psychologists, 1681 01:48:06,536 --> 01:48:08,776 in order to make some kind of assessment. 1682 01:48:18,376 --> 01:48:20,536 [professor] I learned that the legal team 1683 01:48:20,616 --> 01:48:24,136 were having huge difficulties with Barry George. 1684 01:48:25,616 --> 01:48:29,856 Michael Mansfield said, "I think there's something not right here 1685 01:48:29,936 --> 01:48:31,696 and he needs to be tested." 1686 01:48:33,376 --> 01:48:36,616 I sat on the train thinking, what's this person going to be like 1687 01:48:36,696 --> 01:48:38,896 'cause you know it had been in all the press, 1688 01:48:38,976 --> 01:48:41,496 this monster who'd "killed" Jill Dando. 1689 01:48:41,576 --> 01:48:43,336 [pensive music playing] 1690 01:48:43,416 --> 01:48:49,776 But when I arrived, he was just so distressed 1691 01:48:49,856 --> 01:48:53,096 and so all over the place. 1692 01:48:53,176 --> 01:48:56,256 It was extreme. It was all coming one way. 1693 01:48:56,336 --> 01:49:00,176 I felt like it was an avalanche of words hitting at me. 1694 01:49:00,976 --> 01:49:03,176 "They've done this and they've done that." 1695 01:49:06,416 --> 01:49:10,176 For his intellect, I found that he fell in the borderline range, 1696 01:49:10,256 --> 01:49:12,256 so that's extremely low. 1697 01:49:14,856 --> 01:49:18,016 With his working memory, his processing speed, 1698 01:49:18,096 --> 01:49:20,896 actually, everything else was at the first percentile. 1699 01:49:20,976 --> 01:49:26,496 So 99% of people would perform better than him. 1700 01:49:26,576 --> 01:49:28,256 [intriguing music playing] 1701 01:49:32,616 --> 01:49:35,136 [Jane] All newspapers were put on to what we call, 1702 01:49:35,216 --> 01:49:37,696 getting the background on that person. 1703 01:49:38,256 --> 01:49:42,456 And of course, what we found was very colorful indeed. 1704 01:49:43,976 --> 01:49:47,776 It rapidly became clear that Barry George had built up 1705 01:49:47,856 --> 01:49:51,616 a sort of a very fantasy life for himself. 1706 01:49:52,376 --> 01:49:57,216 In the '80s, he had been fined for impersonating a police officer. 1707 01:49:57,296 --> 01:50:02,296 He told women he was in the RAF, then it became the SAS, uh, 1708 01:50:02,376 --> 01:50:06,376 whereas in reality he'd just been rejected from the Territorial Army. 1709 01:50:06,456 --> 01:50:08,136 [male reporter] Aren't you a nutter? 1710 01:50:08,216 --> 01:50:09,216 No. 1711 01:50:10,496 --> 01:50:12,376 [Jane] And then this footage emerged. 1712 01:50:13,256 --> 01:50:16,016 And now he was called Steve Majors all of a sudden 1713 01:50:16,096 --> 01:50:20,776 and he was doing this stunt which involved going over the top 1714 01:50:20,856 --> 01:50:24,976 of four double-decker buses whilst wearing roller skates. 1715 01:50:25,056 --> 01:50:28,256 So you've never actually done anything like this before? 1716 01:50:28,336 --> 01:50:30,696 Never in the world. It's never been done. 1717 01:50:30,776 --> 01:50:33,736 Haven't you had a go on a mini-ramp just to have a practice? 1718 01:50:33,816 --> 01:50:35,896 -No, not at all. -[chuckles softly] 1719 01:50:35,976 --> 01:50:37,696 [gripping music playing] 1720 01:50:39,176 --> 01:50:40,496 [Barry screams] 1721 01:50:41,176 --> 01:50:46,416 [Jane] I think he dislocated his spine, he fractured his femur 1722 01:50:46,496 --> 01:50:50,056 and you think, fantasist of the first order. 1723 01:50:50,816 --> 01:50:55,856 But could you make the leap from that to this is the man 1724 01:50:55,936 --> 01:51:01,016 that walked up to Jill Dando and shot her in cold blood in the head? 1725 01:51:06,696 --> 01:51:08,256 [birds screeching] 1726 01:51:08,336 --> 01:51:10,536 [pensive music playing] 1727 01:51:10,616 --> 01:51:13,936 [Michael] The essence of the case has two dimensions. One is a culprit, 1728 01:51:14,736 --> 01:51:18,616 and the other thing you need to grasp is the evidence. 1729 01:51:19,256 --> 01:51:25,056 The ballistics, namely the cartridge case left behind from the bullet. 1730 01:51:26,656 --> 01:51:28,216 It had been adapted. 1731 01:51:30,376 --> 01:51:33,976 The crimping of the cartridge case, that's rare. 1732 01:51:34,776 --> 01:51:38,696 Somebody had written in to the police, trying to help, 1733 01:51:38,776 --> 01:51:41,896 saying, "I'm very familiar with this kind of ammunition." 1734 01:51:41,976 --> 01:51:45,016 "I served in Eastern Europe in the Balkans, 1735 01:51:45,136 --> 01:51:47,216 and crimping is a characteristic." 1736 01:51:48,296 --> 01:51:53,856 So then you have to say to yourself, where does that take you? To Serbia. 1737 01:51:55,456 --> 01:51:56,736 [loud explosion] 1738 01:51:56,816 --> 01:51:58,976 [gripping music playing] 1739 01:52:00,256 --> 01:52:01,696 [distant explosion] 1740 01:52:01,776 --> 01:52:03,576 [distant siren wailing] 1741 01:52:03,656 --> 01:52:05,576 There was a Serbian connection. 1742 01:52:06,496 --> 01:52:08,056 Right there on the doorstep. 1743 01:52:10,016 --> 01:52:11,856 And it had happened before. 1744 01:52:12,896 --> 01:52:16,616 Earlier in April, the month in which Jill Dando was murdered, 1745 01:52:16,696 --> 01:52:19,696 another journalist was also murdered 1746 01:52:19,776 --> 01:52:24,856 outside his home in Belgrade, I think about 11 days before. 1747 01:52:24,936 --> 01:52:28,856 [reporter] Talk of Serbian involvement in the murder was all but discarded. 1748 01:52:28,936 --> 01:52:32,576 There is no link whatsoever between any of those more speculative theories 1749 01:52:32,656 --> 01:52:33,496 that we've been… 1750 01:52:33,576 --> 01:52:35,656 [Michael] I don't want to be facetious, 1751 01:52:35,736 --> 01:52:37,936 but I think the police didn't take it seriously 1752 01:52:38,016 --> 01:52:42,136 because there'd been no real investigation of the Serbian connection. 1753 01:52:43,256 --> 01:52:49,296 It has all the hallmarks of an organized, orchestrated execution, 1754 01:52:49,936 --> 01:52:55,296 which in my view, point heavily away from Barry George. 1755 01:52:55,376 --> 01:52:56,776 Am I getting carried away? 1756 01:52:57,736 --> 01:52:58,896 [laughs] 1757 01:52:59,576 --> 01:53:01,736 [gripping music playing] 1758 01:53:09,816 --> 01:53:12,616 [Hamish] A major part of the inquiry was to try to follow up 1759 01:53:12,696 --> 01:53:15,856 on some of the women who were in the photographs. 1760 01:53:18,056 --> 01:53:19,936 [Barry] The undeveloped film. 1761 01:53:20,016 --> 01:53:23,816 If they were for myself, why didn't I develop them? 1762 01:53:23,896 --> 01:53:25,336 Because there were masses of them. 1763 01:53:26,416 --> 01:53:28,216 They said that I'd been… 1764 01:53:28,296 --> 01:53:32,456 What is it, their words? Stalking people. 1765 01:53:32,536 --> 01:53:36,656 But where I was talking with people, right, 1766 01:53:37,816 --> 01:53:43,376 and if at any time they didn't feel comfortable in my presence, 1767 01:53:44,296 --> 01:53:45,696 I would have walked away. 1768 01:53:48,256 --> 01:53:51,096 As time went on and we got closer to the trial, 1769 01:53:51,176 --> 01:53:53,256 other details started to emerge. 1770 01:53:53,336 --> 01:53:58,096 There was a real escalation in the level of disturbing behavior. 1771 01:53:58,976 --> 01:54:04,456 We'd gone from what looked like a sort of a harmless, quirky fantasist 1772 01:54:04,536 --> 01:54:07,016 towards something much more sinister. 1773 01:54:08,096 --> 01:54:12,576 There was the arrest for attempted rape, sexual offences. 1774 01:54:13,656 --> 01:54:16,376 Then, of course, this other piece of evidence came up. 1775 01:54:17,096 --> 01:54:18,336 [people cheering] 1776 01:54:18,416 --> 01:54:20,856 He had an obsession with Princess Diana 1777 01:54:20,936 --> 01:54:24,136 and he had been caught in the grounds of Kensington Palace 1778 01:54:24,216 --> 01:54:30,136 with a coil of rope, wearing combat gear, carrying a 12-inch hunting knife. 1779 01:54:30,776 --> 01:54:33,816 And at the time, the police had just thought it was harmless, 1780 01:54:33,896 --> 01:54:36,176 which I have to say, I find astonishing. 1781 01:54:37,016 --> 01:54:39,336 That was not normal behavior. 1782 01:54:40,256 --> 01:54:41,776 [imperceptible] 1783 01:54:41,856 --> 01:54:47,136 So this became another part of the puzzle that, for the media, 1784 01:54:47,216 --> 01:54:51,176 pointed towards the possibility of him being involved. 1785 01:54:51,256 --> 01:54:53,256 [intriguing music playing] 1786 01:54:55,776 --> 01:54:59,936 [female reporter] In May last year, detectives arrested Barry Michael George. 1787 01:55:00,016 --> 01:55:02,496 His trial, which begins at the Old Bailey today, 1788 01:55:02,576 --> 01:55:06,416 is expected to last at least six weeks. He denies murder. 1789 01:55:07,096 --> 01:55:10,456 [man] I was the courts correspondent of the London Evening Standard. 1790 01:55:10,536 --> 01:55:14,016 There was a thirst, a desperation for information 1791 01:55:14,096 --> 01:55:16,176 which had to emerge from the trial. 1792 01:55:16,256 --> 01:55:17,696 [people clamoring] 1793 01:55:18,696 --> 01:55:22,936 The road outside the Old Bailey was packed with television crews. 1794 01:55:23,016 --> 01:55:27,456 It stopped the traffic. It was a massive media occasion. 1795 01:55:27,536 --> 01:55:30,936 [male reporter 1] Two years and eight days after Jill Dando's murder, 1796 01:55:31,016 --> 01:55:33,856 her fiancé Alan Farthing arrived at the Old Bailey. 1797 01:55:34,416 --> 01:55:38,536 With him was Jill's brother Nigel and other members of the Dando family. 1798 01:55:38,616 --> 01:55:40,456 [male reporter 2] From the defendant's family, 1799 01:55:40,536 --> 01:55:42,336 Michelle Diskin, Barry George's sister. 1800 01:55:42,416 --> 01:55:45,736 [female reporter] George is being defended by Michael Mansfield QC. 1801 01:55:55,376 --> 01:56:00,376 It was the first sighting in public of Barry George since his arrest, 1802 01:56:00,456 --> 01:56:03,736 which was big in itself because everybody wanted to see 1803 01:56:04,816 --> 01:56:07,336 the man who was accused of killing Jill Dando. 1804 01:56:07,416 --> 01:56:09,016 [tense music playing] 1805 01:56:11,576 --> 01:56:14,176 [Michelle] I was allowed to be quite close to Barry. 1806 01:56:15,136 --> 01:56:17,176 He looked totally lost. 1807 01:56:17,256 --> 01:56:18,856 [breathing heavily] 1808 01:56:22,816 --> 01:56:27,376 [Nigel] When the prosecution started to outline the case, 1809 01:56:27,456 --> 01:56:29,376 uh, we were able to hear more details 1810 01:56:29,456 --> 01:56:32,656 of exactly what the police case was against Barry George. 1811 01:56:35,936 --> 01:56:38,616 The first few weeks of the trial, we had learned 1812 01:56:38,696 --> 01:56:43,936 that a witness on Gowan Avenue had potentially placed Barry George 1813 01:56:44,016 --> 01:56:46,776 on that road at 7:30 in the morning. 1814 01:56:46,856 --> 01:56:48,936 [male reporter] Susan Mayes, who told the court 1815 01:56:49,016 --> 01:56:51,096 she was very sure she had seen the defendant 1816 01:56:51,176 --> 01:56:52,776 near Jill Dando's house. 1817 01:56:52,856 --> 01:56:54,536 Ms. Mayes told the court that the man 1818 01:56:54,616 --> 01:56:57,416 seemed nervous and tried to shield his face. 1819 01:56:57,496 --> 01:57:00,056 We also heard that Barry George had attempted 1820 01:57:00,136 --> 01:57:03,016 to retrace his own steps that morning. 1821 01:57:03,096 --> 01:57:05,616 [female reporter] On the same day, George had visited 1822 01:57:05,696 --> 01:57:07,536 a local advice center known as HAFAD 1823 01:57:07,616 --> 01:57:11,816 Two days later, he went back trying to establish what time he'd been there. 1824 01:57:11,896 --> 01:57:16,816 [Jane] And in the prosecution's view, he was trying to create a false alibi. 1825 01:57:18,176 --> 01:57:21,216 And then, of course, the particle of gun residue 1826 01:57:21,296 --> 01:57:23,696 that was found in the coat pocket, 1827 01:57:24,416 --> 01:57:29,056 which then the prosecution claimed put him in the presence of a fired gun. 1828 01:57:29,136 --> 01:57:31,536 In police interviews, George couldn't explain 1829 01:57:31,616 --> 01:57:33,776 how the particle had come to be in his coat, 1830 01:57:33,856 --> 01:57:37,016 and the jury were told it was compelling evidence of his guilt. 1831 01:57:38,816 --> 01:57:44,776 The prosecution made the allegation that I forced her to the ground 1832 01:57:44,856 --> 01:57:46,936 and then put a gun to her head. 1833 01:57:47,016 --> 01:57:51,856 But if I had pushed her down, if you think, if you just-- 1834 01:57:51,936 --> 01:57:55,656 -Do you mind, come, being a guinea pig? -[female interviewer] Yeah. 1835 01:57:56,176 --> 01:57:58,256 If I had pushed you down, 1836 01:57:58,336 --> 01:58:01,296 -you're facing your door… -Yeah. 1837 01:58:01,376 --> 01:58:03,736 -Putting the keys in your door. -Yeah. 1838 01:58:03,816 --> 01:58:07,616 If I had pushed you down, and it was alleged 1839 01:58:07,696 --> 01:58:10,136 -I pushed you down with my left hand… -Yeah. 1840 01:58:11,056 --> 01:58:17,096 There'd be masses of blood or gunshot residue over the perpetrator. 1841 01:58:17,176 --> 01:58:19,616 They found one particle, right? 1842 01:58:21,336 --> 01:58:22,696 I rest my case. 1843 01:58:27,096 --> 01:58:29,536 [Jane] We sort of got to the closing of the prosecution 1844 01:58:29,616 --> 01:58:34,536 and we realized that, hang on, that is… that is all there is. 1845 01:58:35,456 --> 01:58:36,456 [indistinct chatter] 1846 01:58:36,536 --> 01:58:41,656 The particle of gun residue was dynamite piece of evidence, 1847 01:58:41,736 --> 01:58:44,536 but actually all of the other stuff, 1848 01:58:44,616 --> 01:58:48,896 unpleasant though some of it was, was very circumstantial. 1849 01:58:48,976 --> 01:58:50,296 [intriguing music playing] 1850 01:58:50,376 --> 01:58:55,176 When the prosecution case wound up, the question was, is it enough? 1851 01:58:55,256 --> 01:58:56,776 [camera shutters clicking] 1852 01:58:56,856 --> 01:59:00,496 It's a long-standing maxim around Scotland Yard 1853 01:59:00,576 --> 01:59:04,176 is that until you've actually been cross-examined by Michael Mansfield 1854 01:59:04,256 --> 01:59:06,336 on the contents of your notebook, 1855 01:59:06,416 --> 01:59:09,536 then as a police officer, you haven't earned your stripes. 1856 01:59:10,936 --> 01:59:13,816 [Hamish] Yes, there was a level of nervousness, of course, 1857 01:59:13,896 --> 01:59:18,816 because Mr. Mansfield is not someone you can ever [chuckles] fool 1858 01:59:18,896 --> 01:59:21,696 or seek to evade answers from. 1859 01:59:22,896 --> 01:59:25,736 [Paul] Michael Mansfield once said that he took the view 1860 01:59:25,816 --> 01:59:29,856 that whenever he's cross-examining a policeman in court, 1861 01:59:29,936 --> 01:59:32,656 his thoughts are, "This man is lying." 1862 01:59:34,056 --> 01:59:36,096 So, the great moment arrived 1863 01:59:36,176 --> 01:59:40,096 when Michael Mansfield came to cross-examine Hamish Campbell. 1864 01:59:41,376 --> 01:59:43,576 It was a battle of wills across the courtroom. 1865 01:59:45,376 --> 01:59:48,376 [Michael] You found a particle of firearms residue, 1866 01:59:48,456 --> 01:59:50,416 but, well, it works the other way, doesn't it? 1867 01:59:50,496 --> 01:59:53,816 The absence of particles anywhere else at all 1868 01:59:53,896 --> 01:59:55,496 in his flat, that's important. 1869 01:59:56,136 --> 02:00:01,096 [Hamish] George had been in the presence of discharged gunshot residue, primer, 1870 02:00:01,176 --> 02:00:06,136 but he denied firing any gun of any sort for many, many years. 1871 02:00:06,216 --> 02:00:09,896 There was no evidence indicating that he'd ever owned a weapon 1872 02:00:09,976 --> 02:00:11,896 that could have been the gun in this case. 1873 02:00:11,976 --> 02:00:15,416 The possession of the firearm, armorer's gun cards, 1874 02:00:15,496 --> 02:00:17,576 the magazines, the holster. 1875 02:00:17,656 --> 02:00:21,296 If there'd been a real investigation of the Serbian connection… 1876 02:00:21,896 --> 02:00:27,576 [Hamish] We did explore this Serbian issue by asking the security services, 1877 02:00:27,656 --> 02:00:31,296 and there is no evidence at all which suggests 1878 02:00:31,376 --> 02:00:34,656 that the Serbians or the NATO conflict was responsible. 1879 02:00:35,176 --> 02:00:37,896 [Michael] Where was the evidence of an obsession with Jill Dando? 1880 02:00:37,976 --> 02:00:40,296 He might go up to women and talk to them 1881 02:00:40,376 --> 02:00:43,416 and pretend to be the cousin of Freddie Mercury, 1882 02:00:44,376 --> 02:00:46,296 but that doesn't make him a murderer. 1883 02:00:46,376 --> 02:00:50,816 Barry George was perfectly capable of committing that crime. 1884 02:00:50,896 --> 02:00:54,256 Barry George did not murder Jill Dando. 1885 02:00:57,296 --> 02:01:00,296 [female reporter] Defense barrister Michael Mansfield QC 1886 02:01:00,376 --> 02:01:02,296 has suggested the Crimewatch presenter 1887 02:01:02,376 --> 02:01:05,296 may have been assassinated by an underworld hitman 1888 02:01:05,376 --> 02:01:07,816 or a Serbian gunman in retaliation… 1889 02:01:07,896 --> 02:01:11,856 Mr. Mansfield told the jury that there's no evidence since the mid-1980s 1890 02:01:11,936 --> 02:01:13,976 that his client has owned, possessed, 1891 02:01:14,056 --> 02:01:15,936 carried or bought any weapon or ammunition… 1892 02:01:16,016 --> 02:01:19,176 Mr. Mansfield also pointed out that police had been able to find 1893 02:01:19,256 --> 02:01:24,096 no forensic evidence of any firearms, fired or otherwise, at Mr. George's flat. 1894 02:01:24,176 --> 02:01:25,976 [gripping music playing] 1895 02:01:29,816 --> 02:01:34,416 [Michelle] I was really quite confident that, um, it would not be a conviction 1896 02:01:34,496 --> 02:01:36,256 because it was quite obvious 1897 02:01:36,336 --> 02:01:39,296 from the evidence that Barry hadn't done it. 1898 02:01:40,256 --> 02:01:43,536 The judge took nearly three days to sum up all the evidence. 1899 02:01:45,096 --> 02:01:48,816 And then the jury was sent out for their deliberations. 1900 02:01:50,736 --> 02:01:54,416 Mr. Justice Gage told them to take their time in considering their verdict 1901 02:01:54,496 --> 02:01:57,296 and asked that they try to come to a unanimous decision. 1902 02:01:58,616 --> 02:02:01,536 [Hamish] Each day we were just waiting at court for the verdict. 1903 02:02:06,696 --> 02:02:09,296 We were all called back into court. 1904 02:02:09,376 --> 02:02:13,096 We were told, um, "Oh, there's a decision, there's a decision." 1905 02:02:13,176 --> 02:02:14,856 [suspenseful music playing] 1906 02:02:14,936 --> 02:02:18,496 [Michael] One member of the jury sat on the front row, she was in tears, 1907 02:02:18,576 --> 02:02:21,216 and that could have meant a number of things. 1908 02:02:22,496 --> 02:02:24,936 [Michelle] The foreman was asked to rise. 1909 02:02:25,016 --> 02:02:26,975 In fact, I even caught his eye. 1910 02:02:29,096 --> 02:02:31,776 He was then asked, "Do you find Barry George 1911 02:02:31,856 --> 02:02:33,856 guilty or not guilty of murder?" 1912 02:02:34,776 --> 02:02:35,736 And the answer was… 1913 02:02:37,176 --> 02:02:39,336 [suspenseful music intensifies] 1914 02:02:40,776 --> 02:02:41,656 [music fades] 1915 02:02:41,736 --> 02:02:43,216 They found me guilty. 1916 02:02:44,496 --> 02:02:46,296 How could they have convicted me? 1917 02:02:48,256 --> 02:02:49,736 [Michelle] I looked at Barry. 1918 02:02:50,736 --> 02:02:53,016 And the look on his face. 1919 02:02:55,576 --> 02:02:58,256 It was the most desolate look. 1920 02:03:00,975 --> 02:03:02,736 And then all hell broke loose. 1921 02:03:02,816 --> 02:03:03,736 [clamoring] 1922 02:03:03,816 --> 02:03:08,136 Late this afternoon at the Old Bailey, Barry George was found guilty… 1923 02:03:08,216 --> 02:03:10,256 …of the murder of Jill Dando. 1924 02:03:10,336 --> 02:03:15,336 The judge told Barry George his actions have deprived Ms. Dando's fiancé, family, 1925 02:03:15,416 --> 02:03:19,776 friends and the wider public of a much-loved and popular personality. 1926 02:03:19,856 --> 02:03:23,536 A woman-hating loner has been sentenced to life in jail… 1927 02:03:23,616 --> 02:03:26,616 Ending a case that shocked the country in 1999. 1928 02:03:27,376 --> 02:03:31,616 You are unpredictable and dangerous, and are likely to remain so for some time. 1929 02:03:31,696 --> 02:03:35,016 There can be only one sentence, imprisonment for life. 1930 02:03:35,096 --> 02:03:38,456 [male reporter] As Barry George begins his life sentence for the murder, 1931 02:03:38,536 --> 02:03:42,376 people are contemplating what turned him from a relatively harmless eccentric 1932 02:03:42,456 --> 02:03:44,896 into an astonishingly cold-blooded assassin. 1933 02:03:45,776 --> 02:03:50,256 [Jane] Barry George, who all his life had sought fame, 1934 02:03:50,336 --> 02:03:53,016 suddenly the most famous man in Britain, 1935 02:03:53,096 --> 02:03:58,136 a fame that he probably didn't want, but he certainly got. 1936 02:03:58,216 --> 02:03:59,816 [gripping music playing] 1937 02:04:02,736 --> 02:04:04,696 [Michael] It affected me very badly 1938 02:04:04,776 --> 02:04:08,056 because I felt we pulled out all the stops. 1939 02:04:08,136 --> 02:04:12,856 We had really demonstrated an extremely weak-to-non-existent case. 1940 02:04:13,536 --> 02:04:17,816 I thought, "What on earth have I done? Have I got it right or wrong?" 1941 02:04:17,896 --> 02:04:20,976 I have no doubts, and if people were to read the information 1942 02:04:21,056 --> 02:04:23,496 and understand the full facts, I think, like the jury, 1943 02:04:23,576 --> 02:04:26,696 they would equally be assured that Barry George murdered Ms. Dando. 1944 02:04:26,776 --> 02:04:30,456 That verdict of guilty was viewed as a success. 1945 02:04:31,296 --> 02:04:33,776 On behalf of Jill's family, I'd just like to say 1946 02:04:33,856 --> 02:04:35,936 that obviously I welcome today's verdict. 1947 02:04:36,536 --> 02:04:38,656 You'll appreciate that these past two years 1948 02:04:38,736 --> 02:04:41,656 have been a very difficult time for those closest to Jill. 1949 02:04:42,336 --> 02:04:45,496 But we've gained strength from the enormous amount of goodwill 1950 02:04:45,576 --> 02:04:48,776 from people all over the country for whom Jill meant so much. 1951 02:04:49,896 --> 02:04:51,936 [interviewer] Tell us how you felt in that moment. 1952 02:04:52,016 --> 02:04:53,736 No, I'm not going to answer that question. 1953 02:04:54,456 --> 02:04:56,376 Because of what happens next. 1954 02:05:01,416 --> 02:05:02,896 [birds squawking] 1955 02:05:06,336 --> 02:05:08,296 [pensive music playing] 1956 02:05:15,976 --> 02:05:17,976 [Barry] I live in Ireland now. 1957 02:05:21,856 --> 02:05:23,616 It's quiet here. 1958 02:05:25,536 --> 02:05:29,496 You're treated like a scab in London, but you're not here. 1959 02:05:29,576 --> 02:05:31,016 [birds chirping] 1960 02:05:37,416 --> 02:05:39,256 [breathing heavily] 1961 02:05:43,336 --> 02:05:44,376 [female interviewer sighs] 1962 02:05:44,456 --> 02:05:46,056 -Moment. -[female interviewer] Oh, yeah. 1963 02:05:46,656 --> 02:05:48,656 -Refreshment break. -Refreshments. 1964 02:05:52,776 --> 02:05:54,936 I was locked up for eight years. 1965 02:05:55,496 --> 02:06:00,216 I knew in my own conscious I hadn't done anything of what they said. 1966 02:06:01,936 --> 02:06:05,536 I was taking everything step-by-step. 1967 02:06:06,456 --> 02:06:09,976 I was just keeping my eyes and ears open 1968 02:06:10,056 --> 02:06:16,736 and hoping what I hear, you know, is good, 1969 02:06:17,536 --> 02:06:19,816 um, and it was. 1970 02:06:29,496 --> 02:06:31,016 [man] My name is Raphael Rowe. 1971 02:06:32,296 --> 02:06:34,736 I am an investigative journalist. 1972 02:06:36,296 --> 02:06:39,576 A few years after Barry George was convicted, 1973 02:06:39,656 --> 02:06:41,416 his sister reached out to me. 1974 02:06:41,496 --> 02:06:43,336 She was asking if I could help 1975 02:06:43,416 --> 02:06:46,736 highlight the fact that her brother was wrongly imprisoned. 1976 02:06:47,536 --> 02:06:49,536 I was at BBC Panorama at the time, 1977 02:06:49,616 --> 02:06:51,576 but when I was 20 years old, 1978 02:06:51,656 --> 02:06:54,736 I was wrongly convicted of murder and a series of robberies. 1979 02:06:54,816 --> 02:06:56,576 [people cheering] 1980 02:06:56,656 --> 02:07:00,456 I spent the next 12 years in maximum security prisons. 1981 02:07:00,536 --> 02:07:02,656 I've waited a long time for this. 1982 02:07:02,736 --> 02:07:06,416 The only reason I'm standing here now is because of my sister… 1983 02:07:06,496 --> 02:07:09,736 And Michelle was convincing. 1984 02:07:11,376 --> 02:07:13,416 You know, she sounded like my sister did 1985 02:07:13,496 --> 02:07:16,176 when my sister was saying, "Help my brother." 1986 02:07:16,256 --> 02:07:17,576 It resonated with me. 1987 02:07:17,656 --> 02:07:21,096 [Barry on phone] I haven't committed this crime, right? 1988 02:07:21,176 --> 02:07:22,776 I don't deserve to be here. 1989 02:07:22,856 --> 02:07:24,976 [Raphael] When I first spoke to Barry George, 1990 02:07:25,056 --> 02:07:27,096 he was able to tell me that he was innocent, 1991 02:07:27,176 --> 02:07:30,136 but he wasn't really able to tell me why he was innocent. 1992 02:07:30,896 --> 02:07:33,296 [Raphael on phone] So you didn't kill Jill Dando? 1993 02:07:33,816 --> 02:07:36,096 -[Barry] Of course not. -[phone beeps] 1994 02:07:36,176 --> 02:07:38,496 All right, I'll go and see if I can find out 1995 02:07:38,576 --> 02:07:40,176 whether he's telling the truth. 1996 02:07:41,976 --> 02:07:44,336 I did what I did best, 1997 02:07:45,456 --> 02:07:47,416 which is read every line of every statement, 1998 02:07:47,496 --> 02:07:49,176 looking for inconsistencies. 1999 02:07:50,456 --> 02:07:53,336 And I was really shocked by what I found. 2000 02:07:54,736 --> 02:07:58,776 The only piece of evidence that supposedly linked him 2001 02:07:58,856 --> 02:08:00,776 to the crime was the gunshot residue. 2002 02:08:00,856 --> 02:08:04,096 The link is there, the jury heard that, you're guilty. 2003 02:08:04,176 --> 02:08:06,176 Why would that be in there if you didn't? 2004 02:08:07,256 --> 02:08:11,856 So, I went to America, I ended up in Boston, speaking to the FBI, 2005 02:08:11,936 --> 02:08:16,776 who started to question the reliability of gunshot particles 2006 02:08:16,856 --> 02:08:18,896 because it was no longer being relied on 2007 02:08:18,976 --> 02:08:23,416 in cases in America, um, for contamination concerns. 2008 02:08:24,176 --> 02:08:26,456 So I spoke to this ballistic expert and said, 2009 02:08:26,536 --> 02:08:29,736 "Was it from the gun that killed Jill Dando? Was it even a gunshot?" 2010 02:08:29,816 --> 02:08:34,336 If this particle was found in a taxi, 2011 02:08:35,576 --> 02:08:38,816 uh, nobody would think about gunshot residue. 2012 02:08:38,896 --> 02:08:41,856 [Raphael] He completely undermined the science 2013 02:08:41,936 --> 02:08:45,496 that was relied on at Barry George's trial. 2014 02:08:47,416 --> 02:08:51,336 At the end of my investigation, the findings were then presented 2015 02:08:51,416 --> 02:08:53,616 to the Criminal Cases Review Commission 2016 02:08:53,696 --> 02:08:56,576 and it led to them commissioning a new report 2017 02:08:56,656 --> 02:09:02,376 that this ballistic evidence shouldn't be admissible as evidence 2018 02:09:02,456 --> 02:09:06,136 as to guilt or innocence and could no longer be relied on. 2019 02:09:10,216 --> 02:09:14,576 That's when the court said, "We dismiss the finding of guilt 2020 02:09:14,656 --> 02:09:19,056 on account of the new understanding and appreciation of gunshot residue." 2021 02:09:19,136 --> 02:09:21,536 "So there must be a retrial." 2022 02:09:21,616 --> 02:09:23,296 [pensive music playing] 2023 02:09:26,056 --> 02:09:28,696 It was like déjà vu. 2024 02:09:28,776 --> 02:09:30,496 [reporter] Michelle arrived from Ireland, 2025 02:09:30,576 --> 02:09:34,416 after years of waiting for the evidence in her brother's case to be reviewed again. 2026 02:09:34,496 --> 02:09:38,136 Today, we're hoping that we're going to get justice for Barry. Thank you. 2027 02:09:39,056 --> 02:09:41,816 The judge asked for their decision. 2028 02:09:43,176 --> 02:09:46,856 And he said, "Not guilty." 2029 02:09:46,936 --> 02:09:51,336 For the first time in all of those years, 2030 02:09:51,416 --> 02:09:54,856 I let emotion show on my face. 2031 02:09:54,936 --> 02:09:59,376 We stood up and just whooped. Joy. 2032 02:09:59,456 --> 02:10:01,856 [reporters clamoring] 2033 02:10:01,936 --> 02:10:04,616 Following the verdict, the Crown Prosecution Service said, 2034 02:10:04,696 --> 02:10:08,616 Mr. George now has the right to be regarded as an innocent man. 2035 02:10:09,856 --> 02:10:14,176 I was still trying to get my mind around it. 2036 02:10:14,256 --> 02:10:17,496 [male reporter] Barry George leaving the Old Bailey 2037 02:10:17,576 --> 02:10:20,096 a free man for the first time in eight years. 2038 02:10:20,176 --> 02:10:22,536 [Barry] I was glad to be out of there. 2039 02:10:22,616 --> 02:10:27,416 When you've got allegations coming at you 24/7, 2040 02:10:27,496 --> 02:10:29,696 you know, no let up. 2041 02:10:31,456 --> 02:10:34,696 How, I mean, how else would you feel? 2042 02:10:35,296 --> 02:10:38,016 Barry George left the court through the back. 2043 02:10:38,096 --> 02:10:42,336 He was bundled into a car, looking absolutely exhausted but very relieved. 2044 02:10:42,416 --> 02:10:44,416 [all clamoring] 2045 02:10:45,736 --> 02:10:47,376 [camera shutters clicking] 2046 02:10:47,456 --> 02:10:49,136 My sister is my rock. 2047 02:10:51,296 --> 02:10:52,976 Don't tell her I said that. 2048 02:10:53,056 --> 02:10:54,656 [solemn music playing] 2049 02:10:56,456 --> 02:11:00,456 First thing I want to say is that we're disappointed at today's verdict 2050 02:11:00,536 --> 02:11:03,856 but we're especially disappointed for Jill's family and friends. 2051 02:11:03,936 --> 02:11:06,336 [Hamish] Do I think he should have been found not guilty? 2052 02:11:06,416 --> 02:11:09,536 We accept and respect the decision of the court this afternoon. 2053 02:11:09,616 --> 02:11:14,496 I thought the guilty verdict in 2001 was the correct verdict. 2054 02:11:15,496 --> 02:11:17,816 We will reflect upon today's verdict 2055 02:11:18,656 --> 02:11:21,896 and reconsider what the next steps will be. 2056 02:11:21,976 --> 02:11:22,976 Thank you very much. 2057 02:11:23,056 --> 02:11:25,256 [male reporter] A huge embarrassment for the police? 2058 02:11:25,336 --> 02:11:26,176 Thank you. 2059 02:11:26,296 --> 02:11:29,056 Barry George tonight walks free. 2060 02:11:29,136 --> 02:11:30,496 But the question remains, 2061 02:11:30,576 --> 02:11:33,776 if he did not kill Jill Dando, then who did? 2062 02:11:34,456 --> 02:11:36,296 [pensive music playing] 2063 02:11:44,456 --> 02:11:47,656 I think it's really interesting, after his acquittal 2064 02:11:47,736 --> 02:11:51,136 there has been no more serious investigation into, 2065 02:11:51,216 --> 02:11:52,456 into Jill Dando's death. 2066 02:11:53,656 --> 02:11:57,576 I think as far as the police were concerned, it was case closed. 2067 02:11:59,176 --> 02:12:03,976 It's been in the news or subject to comment and report 2068 02:12:04,056 --> 02:12:05,816 every year for 23 years. 2069 02:12:06,656 --> 02:12:08,656 I think people like a mystery. 2070 02:12:08,736 --> 02:12:10,736 But I don't think it's a mystery at all. 2071 02:12:18,296 --> 02:12:21,176 [female interviewer] If I was to say to you, did you kill Jill Dando? 2072 02:12:21,256 --> 02:12:23,176 -What would you say? -Simply no. 2073 02:12:28,016 --> 02:12:34,456 It makes me angry that they've taken eight years of my life… away. 2074 02:12:35,456 --> 02:12:37,936 They just basically persecuted me. 2075 02:12:38,016 --> 02:12:39,816 [pensive music playing] 2076 02:12:41,336 --> 02:12:44,696 [male interviewer] Do you think that Barry George killed Jill Dando? 2077 02:12:44,776 --> 02:12:46,376 I did, yes. 2078 02:12:48,416 --> 02:12:50,136 [male interviewer] But do you now? 2079 02:12:50,776 --> 02:12:52,536 I don't think I've changed my mind. 2080 02:12:53,936 --> 02:12:56,736 If anybody in this documentary who you interview, 2081 02:12:56,816 --> 02:12:58,936 uh, says that Barry George did it, 2082 02:12:59,016 --> 02:13:03,296 I think they need to see somebody, get help. 2083 02:13:03,376 --> 02:13:07,296 They wasted all those resources they had, uh, on this guy, 2084 02:13:07,376 --> 02:13:11,256 when the real perpetrator is free 2085 02:13:11,336 --> 02:13:15,736 and having dinner somewhere. You know, it's just ridiculous. 2086 02:13:18,336 --> 02:13:23,136 Barry George had been acquitted by a jury, which is the seal of innocence. 2087 02:13:23,816 --> 02:13:27,096 And the police say, "We're not looking for anybody else. We got it right." 2088 02:13:27,176 --> 02:13:30,216 Well, sorry, the file should still be open on this case. 2089 02:13:31,496 --> 02:13:33,216 They should be looking. 2090 02:13:33,296 --> 02:13:38,896 The public also know where there hasn't been any resolution. 2091 02:13:38,976 --> 02:13:43,176 So it makes sense they want to examine it themselves. 2092 02:13:45,336 --> 02:13:47,856 -[gripping music playing] -[keyboard clacking] 2093 02:13:48,496 --> 02:13:49,376 [mouse clicks] 2094 02:13:53,016 --> 02:13:56,416 What happened that morning remains a mystery, the crime unsolved, 2095 02:13:56,496 --> 02:13:58,336 her killer never held to justice. 2096 02:13:59,376 --> 02:14:01,296 [Nigel] There have been a number of stories 2097 02:14:01,376 --> 02:14:04,216 about perhaps this had something to do with Jill, 2098 02:14:04,296 --> 02:14:06,496 perhaps that had something to do with Jill. 2099 02:14:06,576 --> 02:14:09,056 Big story for one day and then it goes away. 2100 02:14:09,136 --> 02:14:11,896 And really, I just shrug my shoulders at them. 2101 02:14:11,976 --> 02:14:14,656 Uh, they don't have legs, they don't seem to travel. 2102 02:14:14,736 --> 02:14:18,296 Uh, they make a headline for 24 hours and then they're forgotten about. 2103 02:14:19,696 --> 02:14:22,936 [Raphael] The theories that have surfaced 2104 02:14:23,016 --> 02:14:27,696 over the years in this case, that Jill Dando was looking into something 2105 02:14:27,776 --> 02:14:33,256 that may have been, um, one of the reasons somebody wanted to silence her, 2106 02:14:33,336 --> 02:14:35,256 just doesn't wash with me. 2107 02:14:35,336 --> 02:14:37,816 She wouldn't have been doing it alone 2108 02:14:37,896 --> 02:14:41,216 and it would in fact make those who survived the assassination 2109 02:14:41,296 --> 02:14:47,576 be all the more determined to expose whatever that secret investigation was. 2110 02:14:47,656 --> 02:14:51,056 You hear of such terrible people in this world doing terrible things 2111 02:14:51,136 --> 02:14:54,176 and that's what worries me, is the mentality of some people 2112 02:14:54,256 --> 02:14:56,256 that can actually do those awful things. 2113 02:14:56,336 --> 02:15:00,016 [male interviewer] Have you got an inkling as to who… who was responsible? 2114 02:15:00,536 --> 02:15:03,376 I don't really want to talk about that for my own safety. 2115 02:15:04,176 --> 02:15:06,936 But there are rumors in the criminal world who done it, 2116 02:15:07,016 --> 02:15:08,176 let's put it that way. 2117 02:15:09,456 --> 02:15:12,896 And it's not who you'd think and it's not Barry George. 2118 02:15:14,336 --> 02:15:15,696 It was a professional hit. 2119 02:15:15,776 --> 02:15:17,416 [intriguing music paying] 2120 02:15:18,496 --> 02:15:21,616 Can you give any insight into why? 2121 02:15:21,696 --> 02:15:26,536 No. No, if I tell you why, you'd know who done it. So, no. 2122 02:15:26,616 --> 02:15:29,216 [woman] What advice you have for up-and-coming journalists? 2123 02:15:29,296 --> 02:15:31,976 When I was on the local paper, I'd go to council meetings, 2124 02:15:32,056 --> 02:15:35,216 interview the couple celebrating their golden wedding anniversary. 2125 02:15:35,296 --> 02:15:37,296 You learn what real people are really like. 2126 02:15:37,376 --> 02:15:41,096 I think being a good journalist is about getting under the skin of people. 2127 02:15:41,176 --> 02:15:46,896 As a journalist, unsolved crimes play on your mind. 2128 02:15:46,976 --> 02:15:50,856 For me to be sitting here 24 years on and saying 2129 02:15:50,936 --> 02:15:55,696 that we still do not know who killed Jill Dando 2130 02:15:55,776 --> 02:15:59,656 is just mind-boggling to me. 2131 02:15:59,736 --> 02:16:03,096 Crimewatch has results. You go on air and about ten minutes later, 2132 02:16:03,176 --> 02:16:06,656 the phones are ringing, people are ringing in with all sorts of suggestions. 2133 02:16:06,736 --> 02:16:10,216 I've had 20 years of people coming up to me 2134 02:16:10,296 --> 02:16:13,416 and asking me the questions that I'm answering now. 2135 02:16:13,496 --> 02:16:16,536 Uh, and I'm okay with that, I'm fine with that. 2136 02:16:16,616 --> 02:16:22,856 I also believe and hope that one day, uh, there will be an answer to it. 2137 02:16:23,616 --> 02:16:27,696 Whether any new evidence will come forward. I hope it will. 2138 02:16:27,776 --> 02:16:30,136 Uh, but we'll just have to wait and see, 2139 02:16:30,976 --> 02:16:33,456 until the day that the police come along and say, 2140 02:16:33,536 --> 02:16:37,096 "Right, okay, we've now got enough evidence to nail Jill's killer." 2141 02:16:37,976 --> 02:16:41,256 [girl] Do you ever get worried about things you see on Crimewatch? 2142 02:16:41,336 --> 02:16:42,496 [Jill] Oh, yes, you do. 2143 02:16:42,576 --> 02:16:45,696 But at the end of the day the crimes that we show are so rare. 2144 02:16:45,776 --> 02:16:48,176 It's not something that you walk out into the street 2145 02:16:48,256 --> 02:16:50,856 and think, "The same thing's going to happen to me." 2146 02:16:52,936 --> 02:16:54,936 [theme music playing] 178717

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