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I mean, the stop motion
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is still very interesting,
I think.
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It's different than digital,
you know?
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There's an... it has
its own world a little bit.
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There's something special
about stop motion.
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All the flash effects were done
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as a separate pass.
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So, what we had to do is then
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you got the one frame
that you want.
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Now, you have to turn
the lights off,
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isolate the flash tubes,
and you've got to put
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this little strobe unit
into the end of the gun.
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You got to wrap it
in some orange gel,
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and you had to take some cotton,
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and sculpt the cotton
into the shape of a gaseous,
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- you know, explosion.
- There was always
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that kind of anticipation
after you finished the shot.
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What's it gonna look
like tomorrow?
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Because something
that you worked so hard on,
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there may be a glitch,
or some little thing,
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or light could have burnt.
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Somebody could have bumped
a little something on the set.
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You'd have to redo
the whole thing the next day.
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Unfortunately,
throughout the process,
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the animators
would occasionally get shocks.
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And I always remember,
you know, you hear this...
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"Jesus Christ!"
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And for whatever reason,
from my own exposure,
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to me, it was kind of funny.
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I'd be cracking up like,
"Oh, there goes another one."
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I know exactly how they feel.
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The fight scene, they would be
flying through the air
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and through the glass doors.
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We had ramps built.
So, I could not quite run up,
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but launch myself
through those glass doors,
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and then another one
up against the wall.
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And then the mask came off.
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They'd have to screw it on,
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because I had a permanent cut
across my nose,
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'cause every time I fell,
it just bopped me on the nose.
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There's one little blue screen
shot there,
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which is like, you know,
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a guy doing a backflip
over the camera,
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which was added
to one of the ED-209 shots.
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There were a few shots
that I really needed
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to be a little bit smoother,
so I came up
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with like a poor man's
version of Go motion.
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I would just drive a wedge
under the table
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that I was working on,
so the table was stable,
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and I'd animate the puppet,
and hit the camera,
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and just slightly wiggle
the table,
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and got a... got a motion blur.
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But I had to make sure
that the table
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was wiggling the right way,
so the motion blur
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was the right way,
and all that stuff.
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I can't imagine
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really anyone doing a better job
than Peter did in that role.
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I didn't get
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that he was gonna make us
care desperately for RoboCop.
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I just thought he was wonderful.
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I thought his part
was a lot more difficult
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than people give him credit for.
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I don't wanna act unless I am
transforming something,
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and it's not called "technique".
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Technique is like,
how you get to say something,
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what takes you
to the personalization of it.
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Some people say,
"A technical actor?" No.
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You're either bullshit
or you're saying something.
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But every good actor knows
when he's saying something.
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We needed a shot
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that we couldn't get
contact-wise any other way.
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So, we built a little RoboCop.
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I sculpted this little 8-inch
replica of RoboCop.
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And it was a fairly quick shot,
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but it shows you
how much work needs to be done
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on even shots that... that pass
in fractions of a second.
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Where he's shooting the rockets
out of his arm,
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they built explosives
into the set.
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And as I walked to one,
and turned away,
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the rocket was on a wire,
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then it went a whole lot faster
than I could get away.
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And as I was turning away,
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all the debris went through,
the suit and into my arm,
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and then knocked me
across the hallway.
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They had to cut the suit off.
I went to the hospital.
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They released me
later on that day,
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but my arm was all swollen,
embedded with, you know,
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whatever the material was,
and started to swell.
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Like I said,
it was all practical.
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You just had to do it.
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And then a beautiful scene
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that ED-209
trying to tiptoe down there,
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and he can't get down.
God, what...
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Is that genius or what?
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For the scene where ED-209
falls down the stairs,
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for the shots
where ED-209's looking
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at his feet,
trying to figure out
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how to stay
with the placement and stuff,
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those were shot
on an actual miniature.
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And that was really
not very big.
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It was, you know,
kind of a duplicate
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of a location we found out
in Dallas, Texas, there.
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So, went out there,
took measurements,
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took photographs.
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For him tumbling
down the stairs,
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we got the thing set up,
and started running
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at as high a frame rate
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as we could get out
of these Mitchell cameras.
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And basically,
Phil would pop the thing,
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the robot would tumble
down the stairs.
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I'm off camera,
below the camera,
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trying to catch it,
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because if it hits the ground,
I've gotta fix it.
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Once he hits
the bottom of the stairs,
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then we're back
to a photographic plate
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where we've got a shot
of RoboCop, you know,
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kind of in the background,
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and ED-209 in the foreground,
writhing about.
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John Davidson told me
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that they used the sounds
of pigs being slaughtered
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for the writhing
and agony moment there...
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which was pretty effective.
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And then we shot the scene
in the garage, fire at will.
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Prepare to fire.
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That was just a dynamic,
wonderful scene.
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The thing is,
I've got 75 background actors
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behind me
with all kinds of weapons.
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We have orders to destroy it.
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Everybody in Texas does not
know how to handle a weapon.
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Fire at will!
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Miguel Ferrer and I became
very good friends.
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And we would play SWAT officers.
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So, we would be up all night
doing that kind of stuff.
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We ran around Dallas at night,
and drank too much,
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and did crazy things.
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And so, that was fun
of what I remember of it.
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The shootout stuff,
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I mean,
it says that in the script,
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but I envisioned that fully,
with all the bullets
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falling on the ground,
and all that stuff,
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that's... that's all mine.
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I mean, listen, at that time,
people are paying
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$5 a ticket, right?
You... you got to give them
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their 5 bucks' worth, you know?
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It's like,
"Fuck, push that envelope."
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We had about five or six
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RoboCop suits in different
states of disrepair.
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You know, some
were the battle-damaged suits.
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We spent a couple of days
just tearing those suits up,
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took dremel suits to 'em,
paintbrushes,
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and just really wore
those things out.
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They shot some kind of compound
into the chest plate,
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and it would create sparks.
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They're called, "Zerk guns".
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They're like paintball guns,
and you know,
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whenever they hit the hand,
you know,
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it's like they're standing
about 10 feet away,
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and you just hope
that they're a pretty good shot.
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We pumped in some fluid
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oozing out of the chest plate,
like chemical fluid,
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and some
of the life-support stuff
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that Robo has in his making.
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Halt it!
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I had Randy Moore next to me,
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fortunately,
because he had an AUG,
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and Verhoeven said,
"What I want you to do is
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I want you to hold that up
next to Michael's face."
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And he said, "We can do that,
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but you're only gonna get
one take."
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"Why is that?"
"'Cause," he said,
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"It'll probably take the skin
off his face."
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"Oh, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that."
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The way Peter is moving
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and the way
he's kind of falling back,
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it's not real,
but it looks beautiful in a way
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that looks naturalistic,
but it's not.
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It's all very planned out.
It's very precise.
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That's actually me falling
over the side of those rails.
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There was no pads down there.
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I actually went to the ground
each time, and probably did it...
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I don't know, probably 10 times.
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I... I still hurt
because of that.
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Both of the female characters,
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they're two different
female archetypes.
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One is the domestic goddess,
the homemaker, the wife,
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and the other one is more
the independent woman who
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- doesn't have any children...
- Murphy!
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Who is living
in the man's world.
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- Murphy, it's me.
- And I think
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that's one of the things
that makes the movie work
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is because it is a guy's film,
and they've got
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all this masculine energy,
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but these two women
rounds out the humanity.
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I came to be involved
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in the project,
because my husband,
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Kurtwood Smith,
was cast as Clarence Boddicker.
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Hiya, Barbara.
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He said, "Well, I think I'll ask
'em if they would read you,"
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and that's how I got involved.
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And the part, of course,
was the secretary.
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We kind of like, played around
with it a little bit.
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Listen.
I'm here to see Dick Jones.
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You know,
put the chewing gum on her desk.
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And when I'm done,
I've got some free time.
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Maybe you could fit me in.
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But it was fun.
We had a real good time.
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He's expecting you,
Mr. Boddicker.
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He would just have this look
of evil, gleeful evil,
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that is really not a part
of who Kurtwood is,
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or not... not a part
that I've ever seen.
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Hey, Dickie boy. How's tricks?
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That thing is still alive.
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I spent a lot of time trying
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to get at the essence
of acting, and it's...
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It's a really complex thing.
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He's a cyborg, you idiot!
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How technical and simple
it has to be at once.
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His memory is admissible
as evidence.
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Yeah. The technical stuff
has to come through,
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and if it ever shows
for even an instant, then...
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Then our bullshit senses say,
"Uh-uh."
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You involved me!
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It's important to me
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that Clarence works
with Dick Jones.
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He doesn't... he's not a toady,
you know?
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Well, the scene
had been rewritten.
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It was not what Paul and I
had talked about, basically,
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and that it had become
pretty much
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of a yes-or-no-sir scene.
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Well, listen, Chief.
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"I said, Paul, this is exactly
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what we talked
about at breakfast
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that I didn't want to happen,
you know?"
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He said, "Oh, you're just trying
to make the scene
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all about you,"
and kind of stomped off.
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And I said to Jon Davison...
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Jon understood
what I was talking about,
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and you know, it's actually
better scene for Ronny,
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because it went from being
a yes-or-no-sir scene
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into one where Dick Jones
is manipulating me.
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One man could control it all,
Clarence.
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They're the two villains
that everybody loves to hate,
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and... and he got such a joy
out of calling me, "Dick."
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Take a look at my face, Dick.
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And Dick Jones
didn't think that was funny.
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You got access
to military weaponry?
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We practically are the military.
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There is this beautiful scene
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when he sits there
in this steel factory.
250
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I guess we're on strike.
251
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I wasn't sure what you needed.
252
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What you would call
a personal human scene.
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You asked for this?
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I think the scene
is very beautiful.
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The helmet wouldn't fit on his
head, you know,
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with the prosthetic
'cause it was just...
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Everything was too big.
258
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So, Paul had that worked out
259
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where you didn't have
to actually see him
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lifting it off his head.
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You may not like
what you're going to see.
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But now, he's like, "Well, what
about all this black stuff,
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the chin strap, the neck piece?"
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It's like, just suddenly,
that's gonna be gone
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and we were gonna take
a piece and like,
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put some cuts in it
to where he could be like,
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lifting it off his head,
and Paul's just like,
268
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"Eh,
nobody's ever gonna notice."
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- Ta-da!
- You know, all of a sudden,
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like this thing just vanishes.
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And I was like,
"How could they not notice?
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It's there,
then it's not there."
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But they don't.
274
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It's you know,
you're so into the scene.
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I remember the first
makeup test that we did.
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We shot under green neon light.
It looked awful.
277
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Paul was confident
that he could make it look good
278
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with controlled lighting,
but he wanted to see it
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under its worst circumstances.
280
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So, we're screening
the test footage.
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Rob's sitting there going,
"Oh, that looks like crap.
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No, you can't shoot it that
way. That looks bad."
283
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And I was like devastated,
284
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'cause this just looks
like dead flesh.
285
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And then Rob
just gets up and walks out.
286
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I remember Paul is out there,
and they're almost
287
00:14:34,673 --> 00:14:38,276
getting into like,
a physical altercation.
288
00:14:38,277 --> 00:14:42,513
And Jon's there,
trying to calm Verhoeven down.
289
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And Rob's over Jon's back
just mocking Verhoeven.
290
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Yeah. That kind of thing.
291
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I mean, a very, very genius
guy, Rob Bottin.
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Difficult guy, but top, top.
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He built a forefront
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that looked like part
of the head was missing.
295
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So, from the side,
you would see it
296
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going like this, yeah, bop,
which is not possible,
297
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and it's like you're cutting
the head.
298
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The final makeup
was not an easy one to pull off.
299
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It was all in one piece.
There was no margin for error.
300
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And the face
took six and a half hours.
301
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Stephan Dupuis, genius.
302
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Three hours
of putting that thing on,
303
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and three and a half hours
of making it up.
304
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And I would go into zen mode,
zen meditation mode.
305
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There was a very particular way
306
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of it being applied, as opposed
to start from the edge out.
307
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It had to be started like
in the middle of the appliance,
308
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adjusted to fit the prongs
309
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to the back
of the fiberglass skull,
310
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and then work that way,
and then work this way
311
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so that it would like,
fit and blend,
312
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and uh, there was no kink,
313
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because you couldn't hide
anything.
314
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Then, you know,
if there was a kink somewhere,
315
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it would like, show up
on the screen like big time.
316
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It was 21 days for that face.
317
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I was going to put that face on
when the crew would come in
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from dinner at 1:30
in the morning.
319
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And then I got to put on a suit.
320
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So, that's like,
an eight-and-a-half-hour day
321
00:16:13,973 --> 00:16:16,642
before I've even turned
to camera, man.
322
00:16:16,842 --> 00:16:19,043
It was two and a half hours
to take it off,
323
00:16:19,044 --> 00:16:20,044
'cause they had to pull it off,
324
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otherwise,
my face looked like a zit.
325
00:16:21,947 --> 00:16:24,282
You can't just rip
that stuff off.
326
00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:25,950
You know, RoboCop gets shot in
the head,
327
00:16:25,951 --> 00:16:28,686
so I had to carry that bullet
hole over into the makeup
328
00:16:28,687 --> 00:16:30,521
that he wears
without his helmet.
329
00:16:30,522 --> 00:16:31,956
I remember thinking, you know,
"God, when I was a kid,
330
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I took apart the telephone once,
331
00:16:33,459 --> 00:16:35,994
and there's that little disc
with the dots in it,
332
00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:37,715
and he'll just have one of
those for an ear,
333
00:16:37,796 --> 00:16:39,364
you know,
where his ear should be."
334
00:16:39,365 --> 00:16:40,999
His organics
need to be supported.
335
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,166
So, I thought
there should be some,
336
00:16:42,167 --> 00:16:43,401
probably tubes, coming out,
337
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maybe feeding into the skin,
you know?
338
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When I take off the helmet,
339
00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:52,643
if you'll notice,
the voice softens.
340
00:16:52,644 --> 00:16:54,880
Murphy had a wife and son.
What happened to them?
341
00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:56,615
It was a small adjustment.
342
00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:59,717
It's not that octave.
It's this octave.
343
00:16:59,718 --> 00:17:01,219
Where did they go?
344
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The most important line
in RoboCop is this:
345
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"I can feel them,
but I can't remember them."
346
00:17:08,427 --> 00:17:12,330
I can feel them,
but I can't remember them.
347
00:17:12,331 --> 00:17:15,367
And that's the saddest,
most excruciating line in it.
348
00:17:15,634 --> 00:17:17,403
And it cuts to this wide,
349
00:17:17,736 --> 00:17:21,272
and here's this steel mill
that is decrepit.
350
00:17:21,273 --> 00:17:25,376
It was once shiny and beautiful,
and then here's RoboCop...
351
00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:26,677
Leave me alone.
352
00:17:26,678 --> 00:17:27,878
Who was once a shiny thing,
353
00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,915
and he's all beat up
and shot up.
354
00:17:30,916 --> 00:17:34,719
That's what it is to be alive,
is who we love, our memories.
355
00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,587
The bewildering gift
356
00:17:36,588 --> 00:17:38,991
of this film
is loss and rebirth.
357
00:17:40,692 --> 00:17:44,395
But the travesty and the drama,
358
00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:47,031
and essentially,
the tragedy of it,
359
00:17:47,032 --> 00:17:51,203
he'll never get it back.
'Cause it's gone.
360
00:18:04,716 --> 00:18:08,019
There was an area called
"Deep Elm" down in Dallas.
361
00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:09,854
It was sort of like
an art district.
362
00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:11,422
The art department built
363
00:18:11,423 --> 00:18:14,059
all these shops
with empty windows
364
00:18:14,493 --> 00:18:16,794
so that you could see
the lights and everything.
365
00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:18,630
It was nice, very nicely done.
366
00:18:23,902 --> 00:18:25,269
There was something about
the grittiness of that
367
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:26,771
that really worked well.
368
00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:28,973
And you had the skyline
in the background.
369
00:18:28,974 --> 00:18:30,875
So, there were things
that were practical.
370
00:18:30,876 --> 00:18:33,244
It was a bigger production
than Dallas was used to,
371
00:18:33,245 --> 00:18:36,581
which made everybody work
harder, made for long hours.
372
00:18:36,582 --> 00:18:38,950
I mean, one time,
I did four 20-hour days.
373
00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:40,519
I mean,
that's the kind of job it was.
374
00:18:40,886 --> 00:18:42,521
And the discomfort of it all,
375
00:18:42,754 --> 00:18:45,423
and the violence of it all,
actually created
376
00:18:45,424 --> 00:18:47,492
a lot of what you see on screen,
377
00:18:47,493 --> 00:18:49,128
and a lot of
it's really authentic.
378
00:18:49,428 --> 00:18:50,461
We hung out, and we talked,
379
00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:52,630
and we went,
and we drank together.
380
00:18:52,631 --> 00:18:54,533
We just kind of played off
of each other.
381
00:18:54,733 --> 00:18:56,367
It was like everybody
kind of understood
382
00:18:56,368 --> 00:18:58,636
where they were coming from
as a character,
383
00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:02,206
and we just threw it all in,
and it... it... it mixed up well.
384
00:19:02,207 --> 00:19:03,175
Hey, Emil.
385
00:19:03,176 --> 00:19:05,376
- Hey.
- How's the Gray Bar Hotel?
386
00:19:05,377 --> 00:19:08,746
Not bad. I got to keep the
shirt. Nobody popped my cherry.
387
00:19:08,747 --> 00:19:10,648
Most of them went above
388
00:19:10,649 --> 00:19:13,284
and beyond the call of duty
with their roles,
389
00:19:13,285 --> 00:19:18,189
and really made them come
to life with unique characters
390
00:19:18,190 --> 00:19:20,091
rather than just the bad guy.
391
00:19:20,092 --> 00:19:21,292
Hey!
392
00:19:21,293 --> 00:19:23,461
First, they let me out of jail
for free,
393
00:19:23,462 --> 00:19:26,364
then look what I found
in the prison parking lot.
394
00:19:26,365 --> 00:19:29,233
A brand-new 6,000 SUX,
395
00:19:29,234 --> 00:19:30,202
still got the factory sticker
on it.
396
00:19:30,203 --> 00:19:31,469
Hey, Clarence!
397
00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:33,505
Joey's got a car
just like yours, man.
398
00:19:35,407 --> 00:19:37,342
What do you think, Clarence,
huh? Huh?
399
00:19:39,545 --> 00:19:41,679
I always saw this character
400
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,417
and kind of the gang in general
as guys that were having fun.
401
00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:49,687
I had had some experience
402
00:19:49,688 --> 00:19:54,358
with the... the Barrett M82,
.50 caliber, semi-automatic,
403
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,061
and so, I showed it to 'em.
They liked it.
404
00:19:57,062 --> 00:20:00,732
Whoa! A new toy! Can I play?
405
00:20:00,966 --> 00:20:02,500
We purchased three of 'em.
406
00:20:02,501 --> 00:20:03,501
So, we had four total.
407
00:20:03,835 --> 00:20:06,204
Take one!
408
00:20:06,205 --> 00:20:07,205
Ooh, shit!
409
00:20:07,206 --> 00:20:09,040
- Nice car, Joe!
- Let me try it, fuck!
410
00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,808
- Let me try it!
- Hey, watch your mouth.
411
00:20:10,809 --> 00:20:12,743
Cobra assault cannon.
412
00:20:12,744 --> 00:20:15,413
State-of-the-art, bang, bang!
413
00:20:15,414 --> 00:20:19,050
They're like 50-caliber machine
guns that you mount on boats.
414
00:20:19,051 --> 00:20:20,685
That's what they mainly
use them for.
415
00:20:20,686 --> 00:20:22,753
And they were pretty hefty.
416
00:20:22,754 --> 00:20:24,422
I think there were probably
about, you know,
417
00:20:24,423 --> 00:20:25,990
40 or 50 pounds.
418
00:20:25,991 --> 00:20:27,592
We had a dummy, of course.
419
00:20:27,593 --> 00:20:30,461
But we had to have the real ones
when we fired them.
420
00:20:30,462 --> 00:20:31,463
Clarence, come on!
421
00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:35,266
The Cobra assault cannons,
422
00:20:35,267 --> 00:20:37,301
initially, we were gonna put
a camera
423
00:20:37,302 --> 00:20:38,636
where it appears
to be an eyepiece
424
00:20:38,637 --> 00:20:40,371
that was gonna be forward,
425
00:20:40,372 --> 00:20:43,841
and the back end of the scope
was going to be a screen.
426
00:20:43,842 --> 00:20:47,912
There wasn't the budget to build
four or five working scopes,
427
00:20:47,913 --> 00:20:49,747
and so, it was just a big block
428
00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:51,616
with all the fins
and everything on it.
429
00:20:51,617 --> 00:20:53,651
In terms of preparing to shoot,
430
00:20:53,652 --> 00:20:56,787
they said, "Here.
Okay, hold it this way.
431
00:20:56,788 --> 00:20:58,589
Okay, pull the trigger."
432
00:20:58,590 --> 00:20:59,590
Whoo!
433
00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:01,660
Yeah!
434
00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:05,763
They was like, "No.
We didn't have a lot of prep."
435
00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:08,466
I just remember
trying to get them in the car.
436
00:21:08,467 --> 00:21:10,307
Fired, then I get in the car,
and I was like...
437
00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:13,871
Parker.
438
00:21:13,872 --> 00:21:16,407
Take it out. And action!
439
00:21:16,408 --> 00:21:19,111
The thing I get most quoted for
is, "I like it."
440
00:21:20,979 --> 00:21:23,581
- Whoo!
- I like it!
441
00:21:23,582 --> 00:21:24,915
And most people
442
00:21:24,916 --> 00:21:26,918
will come up to me,
and say, "Oh, I like it!"
443
00:21:28,086 --> 00:21:29,421
So, I say,
"That'll be $5."
444
00:21:29,755 --> 00:21:31,422
I like it!
445
00:21:31,423 --> 00:21:33,291
And that line
was not my invention.
446
00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:34,692
That actually was scripted.
447
00:21:34,693 --> 00:21:36,794
And I think
it was the boom operator,
448
00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:37,829
if I remember right.
449
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:39,897
And he talked about it
reminding him
450
00:21:39,898 --> 00:21:41,933
of a Chevy Chase film
where he says,
451
00:21:42,167 --> 00:21:45,671
"I like it" in some crazy way,
which I actually hadn't seen.
452
00:21:48,473 --> 00:21:49,708
I like it!
453
00:21:50,242 --> 00:21:51,810
Just his saying that triggered
454
00:21:52,077 --> 00:21:54,779
this idea in me,
and that's why the reading
455
00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:55,981
came out the way that it did.
456
00:21:56,281 --> 00:21:58,083
I like it!
457
00:21:58,283 --> 00:21:59,750
Originally, there was a scene
458
00:21:59,751 --> 00:22:02,253
where Clarence's gang
go to a pet shop,
459
00:22:02,254 --> 00:22:04,289
and there's a little puppy
in a window.
460
00:22:04,656 --> 00:22:06,724
And they have those guns,
and they point it,
461
00:22:06,725 --> 00:22:08,359
and one of them goes, "Nah."
462
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,494
And they turn around,
and they start to walk off.
463
00:22:10,495 --> 00:22:12,196
But then they turn back,
and they kill the puppy,
464
00:22:12,197 --> 00:22:14,665
and they blow up the pet store.
465
00:22:14,666 --> 00:22:17,802
Now, if you know anything
about film taboos at that time,
466
00:22:17,803 --> 00:22:19,737
you were never supposed
to kill a pet.
467
00:22:19,738 --> 00:22:21,706
Wow!
468
00:22:21,707 --> 00:22:22,740
I like it!
469
00:22:22,741 --> 00:22:24,209
"I like it!" Boom!
470
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:28,846
It was a Friday night.
471
00:22:28,847 --> 00:22:31,148
They shot all night,
and I had a hot date.
472
00:22:31,149 --> 00:22:32,817
She wanted to go to the set.
473
00:22:32,818 --> 00:22:35,854
And man, they had done
something to that street.
474
00:22:36,121 --> 00:22:37,822
And that was one of the scenes
where, you know,
475
00:22:37,823 --> 00:22:39,190
we had a big fight
476
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:40,825
in order to make sure the actors
didn't get too close.
477
00:22:40,826 --> 00:22:42,827
And then Paul would say,
"Okay, get a little closer.
478
00:22:42,828 --> 00:22:43,762
Actors,
would you get a little closer?
479
00:22:43,763 --> 00:22:44,829
Get a little closer?"
480
00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:46,564
Of course,
there was a lot of stunts.
481
00:22:46,565 --> 00:22:47,565
Yeah!
482
00:22:48,867 --> 00:22:50,702
And there was a lot
of explosions.
483
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:54,973
And some of the explosions
were extraordinary enough.
484
00:22:57,909 --> 00:23:00,244
There's an explosion, basically,
when they have these new guns,
485
00:23:00,245 --> 00:23:01,612
and they shoot in the street.
486
00:23:01,613 --> 00:23:04,682
And I remember that the actors
were nearly blown away.
487
00:23:04,683 --> 00:23:06,517
Hey, make a camera mark.
488
00:23:06,518 --> 00:23:07,885
And background.
489
00:23:07,886 --> 00:23:09,587
Background action.
490
00:23:09,588 --> 00:23:11,222
Now, it's a real street, right,
that they're shooting on.
491
00:23:11,223 --> 00:23:13,624
So, they buy out one side of it,
they load it up,
492
00:23:13,625 --> 00:23:15,026
'cause they're gonna blow it up.
493
00:23:15,427 --> 00:23:18,162
On the other side, are stores
and people living above it.
494
00:23:18,163 --> 00:23:20,931
So, the AD comes out
with a bullhorn, right?
495
00:23:20,932 --> 00:23:23,077
And he says that the people
that are in their apartments,
496
00:23:23,101 --> 00:23:26,170
he says, "Please step back
from the windows."
497
00:23:26,171 --> 00:23:28,606
"Go back. You're not safe there.
Go back."
498
00:23:28,607 --> 00:23:30,341
"These are live charges.
499
00:23:30,342 --> 00:23:32,710
Please step back
from the windows.
500
00:23:32,711 --> 00:23:35,346
Actors, stand right here."
501
00:23:35,347 --> 00:23:37,715
So, we were just like, "Dude."
502
00:23:37,716 --> 00:23:38,716
Shit.
503
00:23:38,917 --> 00:23:40,451
And I looked at Kurtwood,
504
00:23:40,452 --> 00:23:43,020
thinking, "If they're not safe,
what are we doing right here?"
505
00:23:43,021 --> 00:23:45,221
But we hear, "Roll, and action."
And I pull the trigger.
506
00:23:46,892 --> 00:23:49,627
And all I remember
is a wall of flame
507
00:23:49,628 --> 00:23:50,896
coming straight at me.
508
00:23:53,365 --> 00:23:54,832
And we were all like...
509
00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:55,901
Heads up, you guys!
510
00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:01,439
You can see even the actors
doing this, you know?
511
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,742
Because it was much bigger
than everybody thought.
512
00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:07,779
I turned around,
513
00:24:08,213 --> 00:24:10,081
and Kurtwood Smith's jacket
is smoking.
514
00:24:10,415 --> 00:24:12,116
We were just close enough
515
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:14,418
to feel some
of the little pieces of glass
516
00:24:14,419 --> 00:24:16,922
hit us on the side of the face,
a little bit, little...
517
00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:19,390
Tiny little slivers.
518
00:24:19,391 --> 00:24:22,126
And we had a couple of
blood spots on our face.
519
00:24:22,127 --> 00:24:25,063
And that was a $500-bump,
as I recall.
520
00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:28,599
They actually ended up paying us
stunt pay for that.
521
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,767
- Whoo!
- Go, go, go, go, go!
522
00:24:29,768 --> 00:24:31,503
Hey, the guns are trick,
Clarence.
523
00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,841
And stuff is blowing up
and blowing up.
524
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:38,609
I said to myself,
"I need to sit back."
525
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:40,370
And I sat back,
and a piece of glass comes...
526
00:24:41,346 --> 00:24:43,280
straight through the truck.
527
00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:46,317
I was like, "Dude,
this is, like, way too real."
528
00:24:46,318 --> 00:24:47,551
My favorite thing
about the whole thing
529
00:24:47,552 --> 00:24:49,320
was that Paul afterwards
came up to me,
530
00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:52,424
and he said, "You know,
normally, I don't ask an actor
531
00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:54,658
to do something that
I won't do myself,
532
00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:57,328
but this time,
I think I don't do it."
533
00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,829
No.
534
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:02,032
That night, when we blew up
that street completely,
535
00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:05,302
was one of the most fun nights
I've ever had in my career.
536
00:25:05,303 --> 00:25:07,372
But charity work
ain't your style, man.
537
00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:12,543
What's the real deal
behind this turkey shoot?
538
00:25:12,544 --> 00:25:14,278
Delta City, man.
539
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,848
I figure it's the future
of organized crime.
540
00:25:18,917 --> 00:25:21,987
Good business
is where you find it.
541
00:25:23,522 --> 00:25:26,056
Goin' to the steel yard,
round 'em up.
542
00:25:26,057 --> 00:25:28,292
- All right. Cut the whole street.
- We're movin' out!
543
00:25:28,293 --> 00:25:30,028
Come on, Emil,
get your ass in the truck!
544
00:25:30,295 --> 00:25:33,163
I could tell from the dailies
that the action was working.
545
00:25:33,164 --> 00:25:35,033
You know,
the action was really working.
546
00:25:39,504 --> 00:25:41,405
There was a sequence
in the third act
547
00:25:41,406 --> 00:25:44,775
where there was a car chase
on the way to the steel mill.
548
00:25:44,776 --> 00:25:47,678
And when we were in Dallas,
it was on the schedule.
549
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:49,881
I looked at that one day,
and thought,
550
00:25:50,315 --> 00:25:51,315
"We don't really need this."
551
00:25:51,316 --> 00:25:52,416
We could just go
from here to here.
552
00:25:52,417 --> 00:25:53,784
And so, I brought it up
in a production meeting,
553
00:25:53,785 --> 00:25:54,852
and they were all like, "Fuck."
554
00:25:54,853 --> 00:25:56,754
And Paul went,
"Yeah, yeah, we don't."
555
00:25:56,755 --> 00:25:57,755
'Cause that was like,
556
00:25:57,756 --> 00:25:59,223
a half a day
or a day of shooting.
557
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:00,525
And it's not saving money.
558
00:26:00,859 --> 00:26:03,260
It's more like saving
the audience time.
559
00:26:03,261 --> 00:26:05,696
So, you know, I expected them
to be really happy with me
560
00:26:05,697 --> 00:26:06,797
for doing that,
but they weren't.
561
00:26:06,798 --> 00:26:08,900
They just were like,
"Yeah, go away." So...
562
00:26:12,337 --> 00:26:14,171
I remember at the hotel,
563
00:26:14,172 --> 00:26:17,241
going out with the Robo team
with Rob and drinking a lot
564
00:26:17,242 --> 00:26:18,342
with Peter Weller,
565
00:26:18,343 --> 00:26:20,578
and then Peter and him
would get into it.
566
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:23,080
And they were like
fucking around with each other
567
00:26:23,081 --> 00:26:25,516
all the time, you know?
568
00:26:25,517 --> 00:26:26,984
Rob's a sweet guy.
569
00:26:26,985 --> 00:26:28,719
Maybe... maybe
he doesn't like me.
570
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,555
I don't know. I... I mean...
571
00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:32,022
They got into it like,
572
00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:33,824
"I'm making more money
than you are,"
573
00:26:33,825 --> 00:26:35,994
and so on and so forth.
574
00:26:36,394 --> 00:26:38,095
I called Rob,
and apologized to him.
575
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:40,998
And I apologized to him again
for any kind of wound
576
00:26:40,999 --> 00:26:43,834
that he might have suffered
from my insolent mouth talking
577
00:26:43,835 --> 00:26:45,915
about whatever the difficulties
of movie-making were.
578
00:26:46,071 --> 00:26:47,638
Because he was nothing more
than inventive,
579
00:26:47,639 --> 00:26:49,440
and creative, and fantastic.
580
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,976
I have to tell you,
I must have been very obnoxious,
581
00:26:51,977 --> 00:26:54,188
'cause at a certain point,
Jon just stopped talking to me.
582
00:26:54,212 --> 00:26:55,613
- And... and it was like...
- No.
583
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:56,847
You know?
584
00:26:56,848 --> 00:26:58,415
And occasionally,
he would say something,
585
00:26:58,416 --> 00:27:00,618
like he'd come by and see me
doing something,
586
00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:01,652
and he was like,
"Oh, there's the writer
587
00:27:01,653 --> 00:27:02,813
fucking everything up again."
588
00:27:03,021 --> 00:27:05,489
No, I don't wanna go there.
589
00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:09,426
And Jon Davison fired me
off the picture in Dallas.
590
00:27:09,427 --> 00:27:10,661
Right before
we were gonna leave Dallas,
591
00:27:10,662 --> 00:27:11,829
he said, "You're wrapped."
592
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:13,330
"You probably have enough."
593
00:27:13,331 --> 00:27:14,832
And I was like devastated.
594
00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:17,334
I was just devastated
that you would separate me
595
00:27:17,335 --> 00:27:18,335
from this movie.
596
00:27:18,603 --> 00:27:21,105
And Paul Verhoeven
had to go to him, and say...
597
00:27:21,106 --> 00:27:22,973
"No, we have to take
the writer with us
598
00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:24,109
to Pittsburgh."
599
00:27:30,248 --> 00:27:35,619
When RoboCop practices his aim,
the baby jars are the metaphor.
600
00:27:35,620 --> 00:27:39,189
What RoboCop is doing there
is annihilating
601
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:44,128
the force-fed problem.
And that's how technology
602
00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:47,431
is thinking of him
as their baby.
603
00:27:47,432 --> 00:27:48,433
He's killing it.
604
00:27:49,868 --> 00:27:53,704
And he's annihilating the thing
that technology gave him
605
00:27:53,705 --> 00:27:55,539
to keep him sapling.
606
00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:58,475
My targeting system
is a little messed up.
607
00:27:58,476 --> 00:28:02,546
And he's asking
another human being for help.
608
00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:04,149
He is becoming Murphy.
609
00:28:08,086 --> 00:28:09,086
Can I help you?
610
00:28:10,021 --> 00:28:11,455
Aim for me.
611
00:28:11,456 --> 00:28:13,057
In the abandoned third draft,
612
00:28:13,058 --> 00:28:16,193
there may have been
a romantic idea there.
613
00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:18,328
It sounds like something
Paul would have wanted to do.
614
00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:22,232
I had no idea about any of that
until we all did a Q&A.
615
00:28:22,233 --> 00:28:23,500
And I heard that story.
I thought,
616
00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:25,541
"Oh, that's interesting.
I never heard that before."
617
00:28:25,770 --> 00:28:27,838
In some ways, Paul and other
directors are always trying
618
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:29,573
to get a kiss in at the end
of a movie.
619
00:28:29,574 --> 00:28:31,075
It's not always necessary.
620
00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:33,243
Yeah. I'm glad it...
It didn't go that way.
621
00:28:33,244 --> 00:28:35,346
That would have been
kind of strange.
622
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,748
More to the left.
623
00:28:37,749 --> 00:28:38,782
Here.
624
00:28:38,783 --> 00:28:40,017
One of the things that's cool
625
00:28:40,018 --> 00:28:41,498
about the relationship
between them is
626
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:44,189
it's a non-romantic,
a non-sexist,
627
00:28:44,656 --> 00:28:45,656
in a way, relationship.
628
00:28:45,957 --> 00:28:48,325
And I think that Paul
really embraced that as well.
629
00:28:48,326 --> 00:28:49,927
I figure that's dead-on.
630
00:28:49,928 --> 00:28:50,928
Thank you.
631
00:28:53,698 --> 00:28:54,932
The scene was written
632
00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:58,435
in the original story
for a car cemetery.
633
00:28:58,436 --> 00:29:00,871
You see all these cars
on top of each other.
634
00:29:00,872 --> 00:29:03,274
That was written
for that, basically.
635
00:29:03,675 --> 00:29:05,509
But then for some way,
we couldn't find it.
636
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:08,046
And then somebody was talking
about a steel factory.
637
00:29:11,616 --> 00:29:13,417
When we were shooting
Joe's death scene...
638
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:14,752
Dammit!
639
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,421
First of all,
falling with a 45-pound gun,
640
00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:19,289
you really
gotta position yourself,
641
00:29:19,290 --> 00:29:21,091
so you don't break a finger
or something.
642
00:29:21,092 --> 00:29:22,092
Looking for me?
643
00:29:25,230 --> 00:29:26,764
Man, when that shit blew up,
644
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:30,968
I had bruises on my chest
like for a month.
645
00:29:30,969 --> 00:29:34,805
They hit so hard, I was like,
"I'm okay. It's okay."
646
00:29:34,806 --> 00:29:37,407
"I'm... I'm all right."
647
00:29:37,408 --> 00:29:39,409
Boy, I had to try to man up
behind that,
648
00:29:39,410 --> 00:29:40,911
but you know, tears
were kinda like
649
00:29:40,912 --> 00:29:42,746
coming out the side of my eye.
650
00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:44,548
I was so glad
I was laying on the ground,
651
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:47,485
nobody could see me.
That shit hurt.
652
00:29:50,755 --> 00:29:54,124
The process of making a movie
makes everybody an asshole.
653
00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:59,129
"Why is my Winnebago
not in front of the studio?
654
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:00,497
I have to walk!"
655
00:30:00,498 --> 00:30:04,134
You know, that was me.
I did that. I became that guy.
656
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:06,003
And hopefully,
I'm not that guy now,
657
00:30:06,004 --> 00:30:08,939
but I was definitely that guy
to some people.
658
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:10,974
And I'm sure
a couple of people thought
659
00:30:10,975 --> 00:30:16,280
that I was, you know, uh,
not necessarily a nice guy.
660
00:30:16,281 --> 00:30:19,217
I can think of two people,
and I probably wasn't.
661
00:30:20,618 --> 00:30:22,019
When we were in Monessen,
Pennsylvania,
662
00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:23,654
shooting the steel mill,
663
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:26,123
Peter's upstairs.
We were up two or three floors.
664
00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:27,892
You had to go upstairs
to get to him.
665
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:30,027
We had an explosion behind him.
666
00:30:30,028 --> 00:30:32,497
We'd make the explosion hot.
We were ready to go.
667
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:36,466
I went upstairs,
and I was carrying,
668
00:30:36,467 --> 00:30:40,070
I don't know, about eight Oreos
you know, in a stack.
669
00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:43,040
I'd hand him his weapon.
I say, "Peter, safety's off."
670
00:30:43,041 --> 00:30:44,975
And he wouldn't take the pistol.
671
00:30:44,976 --> 00:30:47,978
And he says,
"Robo wants an Oreo."
672
00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:49,313
And I looked at him, and I go,
673
00:30:49,314 --> 00:30:51,216
"No.
It's just you and I, Peter.
674
00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:53,317
Robo doesn't get an Oreo.
675
00:30:53,318 --> 00:30:56,387
If Peter wants an Oreo,
Peter can have an Oreo."
676
00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:59,890
And he clip-clops in the suit
over to the edge of the railing,
677
00:30:59,891 --> 00:31:03,460
and Peter starts bellowing,
"Robo wants an Oreo."
678
00:31:03,461 --> 00:31:05,629
And when the steel mill
just echoes,
679
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:08,733
"Randy has Oreos"
or "Robo wants an Oreo."
680
00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:10,567
And Steve Lim
over the radio goes,
681
00:31:10,568 --> 00:31:12,036
Uh, Randy, do you have Oreos?
682
00:31:12,237 --> 00:31:16,073
So, I stuffed that whole stack
in my mouth,
683
00:31:16,074 --> 00:31:18,475
and then crunched them,
and let 'em fall down
684
00:31:18,476 --> 00:31:19,956
three stories
onto everybody below me.
685
00:31:20,178 --> 00:31:25,717
And I, "Not anymore."
And Robo got upset.
686
00:31:25,950 --> 00:31:28,118
I haven't got a damn clue
687
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:32,489
about Randy Moore
and his fuckin' Oreos.
688
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:34,659
Randy Moore's a friend,
but half the time,
689
00:31:34,926 --> 00:31:36,726
I don't know what the hell
he's talking about.
690
00:31:37,495 --> 00:31:41,098
So, he's got all these stories
from RoboCop.
691
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:42,299
I don't remember 'em.
692
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:43,600
Steve Lim's going,
693
00:31:43,601 --> 00:31:46,104
"Can we get this shot?
And then Robo can have an Oreo."
694
00:31:46,604 --> 00:31:49,907
And Peter said, "No."
So, they had to cut.
695
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:51,508
They were rolling.
They were ready to go.
696
00:31:51,776 --> 00:31:53,444
Now, we're hot on the explosive.
697
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,113
They had to send a PA
up the stairs.
698
00:31:56,114 --> 00:31:57,714
They feed him an Oreo.
699
00:31:57,715 --> 00:31:59,750
And now, he's got Oreo
in his teeth.
700
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:03,220
So, then the PA has to pick
the Oreos out of his teeth.
701
00:32:03,221 --> 00:32:04,755
And then he says,
"Okay, I'm ready,"
702
00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:05,790
and then we shot it.
703
00:32:08,793 --> 00:32:10,694
So, after that,
Peter would always say,
704
00:32:10,695 --> 00:32:12,429
"Robo wants an Oreo."
705
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:14,564
So, I had a gentleman
that worked with me.
706
00:32:14,565 --> 00:32:16,400
And his official title
should have been
707
00:32:16,401 --> 00:32:18,735
The Peter Feeder,
because that's what the crew
708
00:32:18,736 --> 00:32:20,138
called him,
as "The Peter Feeder",
709
00:32:20,405 --> 00:32:23,807
because for some reason,
weapons had to feed Peter Oreos.
710
00:32:23,808 --> 00:32:27,778
Randy, love you madly.
711
00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:31,649
I don't believe one fucking word
out of your mouth, bro.
712
00:32:39,557 --> 00:32:40,891
I thought Ed and Mike's script
713
00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,126
was really good
and really smart.
714
00:32:43,127 --> 00:32:45,829
And I thought the film improved
on the script,
715
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:47,598
which I was really happy about.
716
00:32:49,334 --> 00:32:50,600
There in that scene,
it was one of those, you know,
717
00:32:50,601 --> 00:32:51,970
just survival.
718
00:32:53,037 --> 00:32:54,304
Well, he doesn't really run,
719
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:55,840
but he gets out of the way
very fast.
720
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,008
I mean,
it was one of those things
721
00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:59,443
that you can only do
722
00:32:59,444 --> 00:33:00,979
what the suit
would allow you to do.
723
00:33:01,312 --> 00:33:03,915
Okay! Now, I've got ya!
724
00:33:05,483 --> 00:33:07,684
You're standing there,
and as he's coming at you,
725
00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:09,052
you just have to get out
of the way
726
00:33:09,053 --> 00:33:10,822
at the very last moment.
727
00:33:12,357 --> 00:33:14,658
And one of those things
is you just got to time it
728
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:15,626
to where you go, "Okay.
729
00:33:15,627 --> 00:33:16,947
How fast can I move
in this suit?"
730
00:33:19,130 --> 00:33:22,032
Everything was very meticulous.
Peter would correct me,
731
00:33:22,033 --> 00:33:24,502
and he goes, "Okay, do this,
'cause this is what I would do."
732
00:33:26,237 --> 00:33:29,172
- I like the melting man gag.
- I think that's a lot of fun.
733
00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:30,507
You go in this tank,
and you wash out,
734
00:33:30,508 --> 00:33:31,808
you become a monster.
735
00:33:31,809 --> 00:33:33,849
Those are the kind of things
that I think are funny.
736
00:33:35,046 --> 00:33:36,590
I remember Rob coming
into the room, and saying,
737
00:33:36,614 --> 00:33:38,849
"Oh shit, we've got to create
this makeup for this character."
738
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,385
He gets thrown into a vat
of toxic radioactive waste,
739
00:33:41,386 --> 00:33:42,487
and he starts to melt.
740
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,494
The toxic waste section
was a stunt guy
741
00:33:50,495 --> 00:33:52,797
that did the actual roll out
of the stuff.
742
00:33:56,801 --> 00:33:59,437
But then getting up,
obviously, was me.
743
00:34:06,377 --> 00:34:08,045
We have pictures of the actor.
744
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,180
I did some tracings of him,
and then Rob
745
00:34:10,181 --> 00:34:12,682
brought me a picture of a guy
who's got stung
746
00:34:12,683 --> 00:34:16,520
by a wasp on his eye,
and his eye was swollen up huge.
747
00:34:16,521 --> 00:34:17,888
So, I incorporated that
into the design.
748
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:19,066
I think he just said,
"Go for it."
749
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:20,824
He said, "Imagine
that the guy's skin
750
00:34:20,825 --> 00:34:22,392
is made of ice cream
and it's starting to melt
751
00:34:22,393 --> 00:34:23,394
off of his body."
752
00:34:26,531 --> 00:34:27,931
We shot that over two days.
753
00:34:27,932 --> 00:34:30,735
The first day, it was six
and a half hours of makeup
754
00:34:31,035 --> 00:34:32,003
before we started shooting,
755
00:34:32,004 --> 00:34:35,439
where Rob Bottin's team,
great, great guys,
756
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,609
literally were like gluing
this torso prosthesis on me
757
00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:41,611
every square inch.
758
00:34:41,612 --> 00:34:43,213
I think we had two different
stages on the head.
759
00:34:43,214 --> 00:34:45,382
I think the first stage
was mainly this side,
760
00:34:45,383 --> 00:34:49,386
and we used a fair amount
of his face over here.
761
00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:51,888
Also, added
this little road rash.
762
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:54,458
That was a continuity thing
from when he fell off
763
00:34:54,459 --> 00:34:56,026
the motorcycle
at the gas station.
764
00:34:56,027 --> 00:34:57,761
You're dead. We killed you!
765
00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,096
And then when he comes
766
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,465
staggering out a little later
and gets hit by the car,
767
00:35:01,466 --> 00:35:04,502
then we had a facial piece
on the other side as well.
768
00:35:11,476 --> 00:35:13,877
We were eating,
sleeping RoboCop, you know?
769
00:35:13,878 --> 00:35:16,313
We were in the shop
working at night,
770
00:35:16,314 --> 00:35:17,614
repairing stuff,
771
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:19,616
and then shooting it
during the day.
772
00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:21,285
It was nonstop.
773
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:29,059
I think we showed up to work
at 3:00 in the morning
774
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:31,929
and didn't leave until 2:00
at night.
775
00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:34,331
So, it was a long, long day.
776
00:35:34,332 --> 00:35:35,765
We shot it,
777
00:35:35,766 --> 00:35:37,601
and it was about two
or three hours to take it off.
778
00:35:37,602 --> 00:35:39,503
The next day, they got it down
to, as I recall,
779
00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:40,744
about three hours to put it on.
780
00:35:49,213 --> 00:35:50,447
Hands were part of it,
781
00:35:50,448 --> 00:35:51,948
and he wanted to see
finger bones sticking out.
782
00:35:51,949 --> 00:35:53,984
And I said, "Well, are you gonna
have a melting effect
783
00:35:53,985 --> 00:35:55,485
or is this gonna be all done
in rubber?"
784
00:35:55,486 --> 00:35:57,120
"No, no, no. We're just
gonna do it all out of rubber."
785
00:35:57,121 --> 00:35:58,989
"Okay. So, you want like,
melting skin like hanging down
786
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,223
like it's dripping?"
"Yeah, yeah, yeah.
787
00:36:00,224 --> 00:36:01,291
"It'll just... it'll work.
788
00:36:01,292 --> 00:36:02,492
We'll just wave the ends
of the fingers,
789
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,327
and they'll just kind of dangle,
and it'll work."
790
00:36:04,328 --> 00:36:05,662
I tried to take
791
00:36:05,663 --> 00:36:07,364
physical positions
that seemed to reflect
792
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:08,532
what he had designed.
793
00:36:08,533 --> 00:36:10,167
I looked in the mirror
once I had the thing on.
794
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:12,203
Help me.
795
00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:14,572
The vocalizations I did
796
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:17,341
and all that kind of stuff
were just my playing with things
797
00:36:17,575 --> 00:36:20,978
based on what Paul asked for
and what Rob had built.
798
00:36:25,049 --> 00:36:26,650
My favorite line of the movie,
799
00:36:26,651 --> 00:36:28,785
Leon comes running
around the corner,
800
00:36:28,786 --> 00:36:30,220
Paul comes up to him,
801
00:36:30,221 --> 00:36:32,956
and his fingers are melting,
and his face is melting.
802
00:36:32,957 --> 00:36:39,162
And Leon does not want him
to melt on him.
803
00:36:39,163 --> 00:36:42,700
So, he says,
"Don't touch me, man!"
804
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:44,969
Don't touch me, man!
805
00:36:47,004 --> 00:36:48,205
It's one of those things
806
00:36:48,206 --> 00:36:51,541
I'm glad that I did,
but I wouldn't particularly
807
00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:52,710
wanna do it again.
808
00:36:55,379 --> 00:36:58,281
There's one shot
with the wheel cap coming loose.
809
00:36:58,282 --> 00:36:59,883
I mean, this was not planned
that way.
810
00:36:59,884 --> 00:37:00,884
It just happened.
811
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,921
I was in the camera,
and I heard it like, whee,
812
00:37:04,355 --> 00:37:06,056
went over my head.
813
00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:09,226
Maybe it could have ended
with another credit
814
00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:11,828
at the end of the film
for two DPs,
815
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:14,999
the one before he died
and the other one who took over.
816
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:20,171
I also helped set up
the big splat.
817
00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:25,875
I helped dress the dummy
to look like Emil,
818
00:37:25,876 --> 00:37:27,477
and took
all the old prosthetics,
819
00:37:27,478 --> 00:37:29,846
put it on there,
and then helped load the thing
820
00:37:29,847 --> 00:37:32,382
with all the
methylcellulose slime.
821
00:37:32,383 --> 00:37:33,917
I remember just screaming,
you know?
822
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:36,420
I just... it was so funny,
just this big splat.
823
00:37:38,456 --> 00:37:40,424
Shit!
824
00:37:40,791 --> 00:37:44,795
It was extremely funny,
because he's blown to pieces.
825
00:37:48,299 --> 00:37:49,299
Oh, God.
826
00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:53,737
Verhoeven has a great
sense of humor.
827
00:37:53,738 --> 00:37:56,640
His use of humor where people
wouldn't even see humor.
828
00:37:56,641 --> 00:37:57,961
It's like, "Oh, this is fine.
Oh."
829
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,982
It's really nice to have been
a part of something that uh,
830
00:38:05,983 --> 00:38:08,285
seems to have made a mark,
you know?
831
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:10,054
You wanna live forever?
832
00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:22,265
There's no guarantees
in this business about anything,
833
00:38:22,266 --> 00:38:23,834
however good you think it is.
834
00:38:25,369 --> 00:38:27,103
Things got a little bit
835
00:38:27,104 --> 00:38:30,707
contested between crew
and... you know, and Paul.
836
00:38:30,708 --> 00:38:32,342
So, the crew had a countdown.
837
00:38:32,343 --> 00:38:34,944
That said, you know,
"20 more days with this,
838
00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:40,318
and 15 more days of this,
10 more days."
839
00:38:40,518 --> 00:38:43,186
Verhoeven, I felt,
was a little on the tough side.
840
00:38:43,187 --> 00:38:49,626
He had an attitude of, you know,
maybe very militaristic,
841
00:38:49,627 --> 00:38:50,661
you might say.
842
00:38:50,861 --> 00:38:51,961
We were miserable, I guess,
843
00:38:51,962 --> 00:38:53,330
to be around,
and all we wanted to do
844
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:54,631
was make this movie
all the time.
845
00:38:54,632 --> 00:38:56,566
So, by the end,
we were the only people
846
00:38:56,567 --> 00:38:58,668
who would talk to each other.
I mean, no one would talk to us.
847
00:38:58,669 --> 00:38:59,936
The producer
wouldn't talk to us.
848
00:38:59,937 --> 00:39:01,004
The whole crew hated us.
849
00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,373
And we were always alone
in the restaurant.
850
00:39:03,374 --> 00:39:06,010
And everybody was snarling at us
or we were snarling at them.
851
00:39:06,277 --> 00:39:07,711
Everybody was suffering,
and it was hard.
852
00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:08,878
I mean, it was a hard shoot.
853
00:39:08,879 --> 00:39:11,314
But at the same time,
854
00:39:11,315 --> 00:39:12,716
every day, you loved
being there, 'cause you knew
855
00:39:12,717 --> 00:39:14,584
you were making a great film.
856
00:39:14,585 --> 00:39:15,952
That famous scene
857
00:39:15,953 --> 00:39:18,755
and the chase between the cars
going through the area
858
00:39:18,756 --> 00:39:21,825
and all of that,
it's a rough look, okay?
859
00:39:21,826 --> 00:39:23,986
If you wanna put it that way,
that's what it had to be,
860
00:39:24,328 --> 00:39:27,331
because of the apocalypse
of the period, you might say.
861
00:39:27,598 --> 00:39:28,598
At the end of the shoot,
862
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,600
we ended up in Monessen,
Pennsylvania.
863
00:39:30,601 --> 00:39:32,335
I guess it was mid-November.
864
00:39:32,336 --> 00:39:34,904
So, East Coast,
it was really cold.
865
00:39:34,905 --> 00:39:36,407
I'd never been squibbed before.
866
00:39:36,707 --> 00:39:40,244
That is quite an experience
that I would not wish on anyone.
867
00:39:42,413 --> 00:39:43,748
In a strange way,
868
00:39:44,248 --> 00:39:46,360
feeling those little thumps
and bumps around your body
869
00:39:46,384 --> 00:39:48,352
help you
with what it is you have to do.
870
00:39:48,586 --> 00:39:51,722
Worse than the squibs?
The water.
871
00:39:52,223 --> 00:39:55,425
The absolutely disgusting,
rusty water
872
00:39:55,426 --> 00:39:57,360
that I had to get into
that was freezing cold.
873
00:39:57,361 --> 00:39:59,697
So, I'll take the squibs
any day.
874
00:40:01,866 --> 00:40:05,101
For me, it had that
very specific atmosphere,
875
00:40:05,102 --> 00:40:07,871
you know, because of these
enormous amounts of steel
876
00:40:07,872 --> 00:40:08,872
that were there.
877
00:40:08,873 --> 00:40:11,040
There was these enormous walls.
878
00:40:11,041 --> 00:40:14,077
It really felt like Troy
or Jerusalem, you know?
879
00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:15,445
Ed and I talked a lot
880
00:40:15,446 --> 00:40:19,650
about the man in the iron mask,
uh, a quest for identity.
881
00:40:20,117 --> 00:40:23,788
But the Christ metaphor,
Paul pretty much brought.
882
00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:27,725
- Bye-bye, baby.
- Clarence!
883
00:40:31,395 --> 00:40:32,762
I had built something
884
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:35,098
under the water, basically,
so he could walk there
885
00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:37,735
because I wanted him to be Jesus
walking over the water.
886
00:40:38,969 --> 00:40:41,037
Okay. I give up.
887
00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:42,038
And now, he says...
888
00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:44,073
I'm not arresting you anymore.
889
00:40:44,074 --> 00:40:45,842
"I'm not going to
arrest you anymore.
890
00:40:45,843 --> 00:40:47,477
I'm going to kill you."
891
00:40:47,478 --> 00:40:49,280
And that's, for me,
the American Jesus.
892
00:40:52,383 --> 00:40:53,818
I had to run out on that catwalk
893
00:40:54,051 --> 00:40:56,686
on the top
to get to the crane booth,
894
00:40:56,687 --> 00:40:59,289
so that I could drop the steel
down on RoboCop.
895
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:01,858
And I saw how high up it was,
and it was kind of scary,
896
00:41:01,859 --> 00:41:03,526
to tell you the truth.
897
00:41:03,527 --> 00:41:05,094
RoboCop comes over the water,
898
00:41:05,095 --> 00:41:06,964
and then the other guy
pulls the handle,
899
00:41:07,231 --> 00:41:09,300
and then all these beams fall
on RoboCop.
900
00:41:12,169 --> 00:41:13,303
They had a dummy there
901
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,872
that it actually... all the big,
heavy beams
902
00:41:15,873 --> 00:41:17,241
actually fell right on him.
903
00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:20,944
Die, you bastard!
904
00:41:20,945 --> 00:41:21,879
Wow.
905
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,880
I got him, Clarence!
906
00:41:22,881 --> 00:41:23,981
I got him!
907
00:41:28,118 --> 00:41:29,319
That black costume
908
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,455
that I had on,
they also put on the dummy.
909
00:41:32,456 --> 00:41:35,358
They gave me that costume
after it was blown up.
910
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:36,626
It's in tatters.
911
00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:40,029
It was blown all to hell,
but um, I still have it.
912
00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:42,099
I always have it.
And all I have to do is find it.
913
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:44,801
And then whenever
914
00:41:44,802 --> 00:41:46,503
he's all entangled,
and the beams
915
00:41:46,504 --> 00:41:48,738
were all fake ones,
but that was Peter.
916
00:41:48,739 --> 00:41:50,039
And I can't get out of it.
917
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,575
And then Kurtwood
in a desperation,
918
00:41:52,576 --> 00:41:54,712
comes over
and stabs me with that spike.
919
00:42:00,551 --> 00:42:03,386
Sometimes, the violence
was very, very direct and...
920
00:42:03,387 --> 00:42:04,387
And... and real.
921
00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:11,662
There was just a discussion
922
00:42:11,663 --> 00:42:13,696
with Paul
that I should take this
923
00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:15,999
as if there is, you know,
a nerve center
924
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,468
somewhere responding to it.
925
00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:20,403
So, the body's response
is all I'm doing
926
00:42:20,404 --> 00:42:24,241
is like in the agony
of the robotics.
927
00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:28,244
When he stabbed in the neck,
928
00:42:28,245 --> 00:42:32,850
that was what I called
the Paul Verhoeven "take that".
929
00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:34,250
For whatever reason,
930
00:42:34,251 --> 00:42:36,553
as you would work it
and just kind of handle it,
931
00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:38,855
the mechanism would start
getting a little sloppy.
932
00:42:38,856 --> 00:42:42,091
And it would like,
just go off by itself sometimes.
933
00:42:42,092 --> 00:42:44,027
So, Paul's like,
"Let me see the... the hand",
934
00:42:44,028 --> 00:42:45,495
'cause he's gonna set up
the shot.
935
00:42:45,496 --> 00:42:48,164
And they like pass the hand
over to him,
936
00:42:48,165 --> 00:42:51,568
and just the motion triggers it.
937
00:42:51,569 --> 00:42:53,336
The spike comes out,
and it's just like,
938
00:42:53,337 --> 00:42:55,038
probably like,
that close to his eye.
939
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:56,539
And he just like
looks over at me,
940
00:42:56,540 --> 00:42:58,300
and I'm like,
"Oh, I didn't do it," you know?
941
00:42:58,342 --> 00:43:00,109
And as he gets close...
942
00:43:00,110 --> 00:43:02,413
Sayonara, RoboCop!
943
00:43:04,048 --> 00:43:05,582
The cop takes over.
944
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:09,285
And then it's like the cop
takes vengeance.
945
00:43:09,286 --> 00:43:11,121
Boom.
946
00:43:13,757 --> 00:43:15,825
Paul is just like,
"Give me this cup."
947
00:43:15,826 --> 00:43:17,461
And then he fills it
with fake blood,
948
00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:21,632
and the camera's on... on Peter,
and it goes like splat.
949
00:43:23,067 --> 00:43:25,469
It was not subtle,
but hey, it worked.
950
00:43:27,805 --> 00:43:31,141
And action!
951
00:43:33,844 --> 00:43:36,914
I had no doubt that that movie
was gonna be a hit.
952
00:43:38,482 --> 00:43:42,218
First of all, it was much more
in the comic book vein
953
00:43:42,219 --> 00:43:43,821
than we had seen before.
954
00:43:45,823 --> 00:43:49,025
And there's so much more to it
in terms of what it had to say
955
00:43:49,026 --> 00:43:51,127
about machines and men.
956
00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:52,329
Lewis!
957
00:43:53,697 --> 00:43:56,633
Murphy, I'm a mess.
958
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:57,867
Nancy reminded me.
959
00:43:57,868 --> 00:43:59,435
She said, "Don't you remember?"
960
00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:02,105
At the end of it, you know,
when I say,
961
00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:03,641
"They'll fix you.
They fix everything."
962
00:44:04,008 --> 00:44:06,576
They'll fix you.
963
00:44:06,577 --> 00:44:08,612
They fix everything.
964
00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:10,980
That's my line.
965
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:13,783
There are notes
that I gave to Jon Davison.
966
00:44:13,784 --> 00:44:15,051
"Can we do this?
Can we change that?
967
00:44:15,052 --> 00:44:16,686
Can we..." whatever.
968
00:44:16,687 --> 00:44:20,623
- Murphy says, "They'll fix you.
- They fix everything."
969
00:44:20,624 --> 00:44:22,592
And I was like, "Wow."
970
00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:25,361
And I was just floored.
971
00:44:25,362 --> 00:44:26,729
I was just knocked out
972
00:44:26,730 --> 00:44:28,732
by how good
I thought the film was.
973
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:42,145
So, at the end, when RoboCop
approaches the building,
974
00:44:42,146 --> 00:44:44,280
ED-209 is guarding
the building there.
975
00:44:44,281 --> 00:44:46,549
His upper torso swivels over.
976
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:47,750
So, this is one of the things
we kind of built
977
00:44:47,751 --> 00:44:49,753
the capacity for
into the full-scale prop.
978
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,055
He had a hinging point.
979
00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:54,190
That was one of our big
live-action movements
980
00:44:54,191 --> 00:44:55,359
for ED-209.
981
00:45:03,834 --> 00:45:06,335
When RoboCop destroys ED-209,
982
00:45:06,336 --> 00:45:08,705
the day before, they had done
the actual shooting
983
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:11,040
of Peter Weller
with the actual cannon.
984
00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:12,042
Boom!
985
00:45:14,878 --> 00:45:15,846
And the blanks
986
00:45:15,847 --> 00:45:17,880
were strong enough
that they rattled
987
00:45:17,881 --> 00:45:19,682
all of the windows
in the entire building,
988
00:45:19,683 --> 00:45:21,418
you know, almost
to the point of shattering.
989
00:45:21,885 --> 00:45:24,854
Yikes. Is that fun, man.
990
00:45:24,855 --> 00:45:26,789
This was, of course,
quite a big deal.
991
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:27,950
And a lot of police came out.
992
00:45:28,358 --> 00:45:31,094
And they tried to arrest
Paul Verhoeven.
993
00:45:31,095 --> 00:45:32,095
How are you doing?
994
00:45:32,262 --> 00:45:33,230
And Paul Verhoeven's like,
995
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:34,198
"I don't have a driver's
license.
996
00:45:34,198 --> 00:45:35,198
How do we arrest you?"
997
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:37,700
So, the next day,
998
00:45:37,701 --> 00:45:39,012
when it came time
to blow the robot up,
999
00:45:39,036 --> 00:45:41,505
which should have been
a big destruction scene,
1000
00:45:41,705 --> 00:45:43,673
I think
everybody was very gun shy.
1001
00:45:43,674 --> 00:45:46,342
So, the charge ended up
being a lot smaller
1002
00:45:46,343 --> 00:45:47,663
than they might
have wanted to be.
1003
00:45:51,448 --> 00:45:53,417
So, yeah. We went back in,
and optically added
1004
00:45:53,751 --> 00:45:55,985
explosion elements to that
to sort of get the actual
1005
00:45:55,986 --> 00:45:58,222
full, you know,
extent of destruction.
1006
00:46:00,591 --> 00:46:02,525
Once the thing was blown up,
you cut back to it.
1007
00:46:02,526 --> 00:46:05,095
That then was the actual
stop-motion puppet.
1008
00:46:07,164 --> 00:46:08,965
It had a lot of moving parts
to it.
1009
00:46:08,966 --> 00:46:11,367
I was doing an in-camera
composite with smoke
1010
00:46:11,368 --> 00:46:12,401
and all sorts of things
1011
00:46:12,402 --> 00:46:13,682
that had to go
at a certain time.
1012
00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:15,171
They had to very trickily,
1013
00:46:15,172 --> 00:46:17,907
sort of, animate
in the smoke elements.
1014
00:46:17,908 --> 00:46:19,308
A lot of these things
are done in-camera.
1015
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:21,477
So, you're basically
sort of animating elements
1016
00:46:21,478 --> 00:46:23,113
to follow a moving object.
1017
00:46:24,982 --> 00:46:26,649
I was about halfway
through the shot,
1018
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:30,253
and Jon called me up,
and said, "Hey, you know what?
1019
00:46:30,254 --> 00:46:32,321
Can you do something funny
at the end of the shot?
1020
00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:34,123
'Cause the movie's too serious."
1021
00:46:34,124 --> 00:46:35,492
So I'm like, "Yeah, okay."
1022
00:46:35,926 --> 00:46:37,660
Good.
1023
00:46:37,661 --> 00:46:40,061
And so, the thing with the foot
was a very last-minute thing.
1024
00:46:40,397 --> 00:46:42,165
You know, at that point,
I just took it farther.
1025
00:46:42,166 --> 00:46:44,168
I had him, you know,
walk in as like a drunk thing
1026
00:46:44,434 --> 00:46:47,170
and then have like,
a little whirligig spinning.
1027
00:46:47,171 --> 00:46:48,771
And then he falls over,
1028
00:46:48,772 --> 00:46:50,474
and does the thing
with his foot.
1029
00:46:52,843 --> 00:46:58,347
You know, we were budgeted
9,995, and we were at about 13.
1030
00:46:58,348 --> 00:47:01,484
So, we were over
the 10 percent contingency.
1031
00:47:01,485 --> 00:47:04,654
And the completion bond company
had every right
1032
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:07,324
to take the picture over
and just finish it themselves.
1033
00:47:07,758 --> 00:47:09,325
And they didn't have to do
the effects.
1034
00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,194
They didn't have to put
sound effects in.
1035
00:47:11,195 --> 00:47:12,662
They could take it over.
1036
00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:14,897
And Mike Medavoy
wouldn't let 'em do it.
1037
00:47:14,898 --> 00:47:18,901
He had the faith in the picture
to tell the completion bond,
1038
00:47:18,902 --> 00:47:21,170
"No, you're not taking it over.
1039
00:47:21,171 --> 00:47:25,843
And we'll pick up the overages,"
and uh, it saved the movie.
1040
00:47:29,646 --> 00:47:32,448
John P. made a lot of great
1041
00:47:32,449 --> 00:47:35,484
synth sweeteners
and sounds to accent things.
1042
00:47:35,485 --> 00:47:37,019
And one of the best ones
that I love
1043
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:38,765
is when the doors swing open
in the boardroom
1044
00:47:38,789 --> 00:47:39,922
at the end of the film.
1045
00:47:39,923 --> 00:47:42,992
And there's that great,
cheesy, synthy whomp
1046
00:47:42,993 --> 00:47:45,162
that has no business
being there whatsoever.
1047
00:47:48,232 --> 00:47:49,232
But it works.
1048
00:47:51,401 --> 00:47:53,870
They're shooting
the boardroom stuff at the end.
1049
00:47:53,871 --> 00:47:56,205
So, we get him all made up
with the makeup.
1050
00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:58,007
And we had him ready,
and they weren't getting to it.
1051
00:47:58,008 --> 00:48:00,643
And we kept sending word up
like, you know,
1052
00:48:00,644 --> 00:48:02,044
"He's been in the makeup
for a couple hours.
1053
00:48:02,045 --> 00:48:05,014
It's gonna start breaking down.
You know, what's going on?"
1054
00:48:05,015 --> 00:48:06,415
Paul was shooting
1055
00:48:06,416 --> 00:48:10,853
like all the wide shots
and everything but the makeup.
1056
00:48:10,854 --> 00:48:12,255
Paul could only shoot it
for five hours,
1057
00:48:12,256 --> 00:48:13,936
'cause the face
would essentially collapse.
1058
00:48:14,091 --> 00:48:16,659
And the edges
were peeling off everywhere.
1059
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:19,061
And Stephan Dupuis had begged.
1060
00:48:19,062 --> 00:48:21,530
Like,
"Shoot the close-ups first."
1061
00:48:21,531 --> 00:48:23,233
And he didn't.
1062
00:48:23,433 --> 00:48:24,867
Instead, he decided
1063
00:48:24,868 --> 00:48:27,103
it was more important
to shoot all those action shots.
1064
00:48:27,104 --> 00:48:29,272
And by the time it came
to shooting the close-ups,
1065
00:48:29,273 --> 00:48:31,308
the makeup was not acceptable.
1066
00:48:31,708 --> 00:48:33,276
And of course,
the makeup was fragile.
1067
00:48:33,277 --> 00:48:35,678
I mean, it was all in one piece.
1068
00:48:35,679 --> 00:48:39,081
It was not easy to apply,
'cause you couldn't fuck up.
1069
00:48:39,082 --> 00:48:40,249
And they just kept
1070
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:41,717
putting us off
and putting us off.
1071
00:48:41,718 --> 00:48:43,753
And at some point,
Stephan just went upstairs
1072
00:48:43,754 --> 00:48:45,222
'cause craft service
was up there.
1073
00:48:45,422 --> 00:48:47,156
So, he's up there like getting
some coffee or something.
1074
00:48:47,157 --> 00:48:48,717
And Paul sees him,
and Paul's just like,
1075
00:48:48,992 --> 00:48:50,226
"I don't know
when we're gonna get to it!"
1076
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:51,928
You know, just kinda like,
screaming at him.
1077
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:54,230
And Stephan's just like, "Oh."
And he goes back downstairs.
1078
00:48:54,231 --> 00:48:57,433
He goes, "I'm not going to set
until he comes and apologizes."
1079
00:48:57,434 --> 00:49:01,771
So, uh, then I decided
to act like a fucking diva.
1080
00:49:01,772 --> 00:49:05,107
Stephan just said,
"I'm not shooting this makeup.
1081
00:49:05,108 --> 00:49:08,011
In fact, me and my whole team
are walking off the set now."
1082
00:49:08,312 --> 00:49:09,445
So, then we're like
1083
00:49:09,446 --> 00:49:10,913
sitting in the trailer,
and they're like,
1084
00:49:10,914 --> 00:49:12,114
"Okay, they're ready for him."
1085
00:49:12,182 --> 00:49:13,883
And he's like, "Nope.
I'm not gonna go."
1086
00:49:13,884 --> 00:49:15,251
And I said, "Okay.
1087
00:49:15,252 --> 00:49:17,253
He's not coming on the set,
because the makeup
1088
00:49:17,254 --> 00:49:19,188
is fucked up now.
You didn't listen.
1089
00:49:19,189 --> 00:49:22,425
Okay? Lesson learned?
I hope so."
1090
00:49:22,426 --> 00:49:23,826
Stephan essentially
1091
00:49:23,827 --> 00:49:29,967
let production know that no one,
no one could knock on that door.
1092
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,467
Peter's like,
1093
00:49:31,468 --> 00:49:32,436
"Well, I'm not going
if you guys aren't going."
1094
00:49:32,437 --> 00:49:33,877
And so, we're all just
sitting there.
1095
00:49:33,904 --> 00:49:36,272
And then finally Verhoeven
comes down, and he's like...
1096
00:49:36,273 --> 00:49:37,774
- Well, I mean...
- He goes,
1097
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:40,276
"I guess you want me to say,
'I'm sorry, ' but I can't."
1098
00:49:40,277 --> 00:49:41,644
So, we had it out
1099
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:44,481
in the trailer,
me, the producers, and Paul.
1100
00:49:45,015 --> 00:49:48,384
And yeah,
that was very stressful day.
1101
00:49:48,385 --> 00:49:49,753
Yeah.
1102
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:52,054
How can we help you, Officer?
1103
00:49:52,055 --> 00:49:54,390
Dick Jones is wanted for murder.
1104
00:49:54,391 --> 00:49:56,592
Obviously, the first time
you see RoboCop,
1105
00:49:56,593 --> 00:49:58,527
there's a lot of processing
on his voice.
1106
00:49:58,528 --> 00:50:00,196
Yes, I understand.
1107
00:50:00,197 --> 00:50:02,765
As he gets more human,
they pull it out.
1108
00:50:02,766 --> 00:50:04,633
My program will not allow me
1109
00:50:04,634 --> 00:50:06,869
to act against an officer
of this company.
1110
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:08,704
It's a social critique
1111
00:50:08,705 --> 00:50:11,540
that went very specifically
about corporate power,
1112
00:50:11,541 --> 00:50:12,609
corporate greed.
1113
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:14,311
These are serious charges.
1114
00:50:14,778 --> 00:50:17,214
These impersonal
killer executives.
1115
00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:18,848
What is your evidence?
1116
00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:19,982
The businessmen
1117
00:50:19,983 --> 00:50:22,518
who are out there
trying to one up each other.
1118
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,721
I had to kill Bob Morton,
because he made a mistake.
1119
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:29,225
Now, it's time
to erase that mistake.
1120
00:50:29,226 --> 00:50:30,693
And just raised it another notch
1121
00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:32,262
where they literally
do kill each other.
1122
00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:35,264
And it's not only forecasting,
1123
00:50:35,265 --> 00:50:37,066
it's putting its finger
right on it.
1124
00:50:37,067 --> 00:50:38,335
I want a chopper now!
1125
00:50:41,638 --> 00:50:43,806
Jon suggested a way
1126
00:50:43,807 --> 00:50:45,908
to invalidate
Directive 4 at the end.
1127
00:50:45,909 --> 00:50:47,209
We'd all show up
1128
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:49,379
at the office every day,
and we'd kick stuff around.
1129
00:50:49,646 --> 00:50:51,280
Anybody tries to stop me...
1130
00:50:51,281 --> 00:50:52,415
You know, saying,
1131
00:50:52,416 --> 00:50:53,916
"Oh, what about this,
or what about that?"
1132
00:50:53,917 --> 00:50:55,419
the old geezer gets it.
1133
00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:58,821
And I, as a joke, said,
how about "You're fired"?
1134
00:50:58,822 --> 00:50:59,989
I never thought
1135
00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:02,058
that the "You're fired" line
would work.
1136
00:51:02,059 --> 00:51:04,560
I... You know, and Paul, and Ed,
and Jon were going,
1137
00:51:04,561 --> 00:51:05,995
"Yeah, it's gonna work.
Yeah, it's gonna work."
1138
00:51:05,996 --> 00:51:07,276
I said,
"You know, I don't know."
1139
00:51:07,564 --> 00:51:09,533
Dick, you're fired!
1140
00:51:10,867 --> 00:51:12,101
And it worked beautifully.
1141
00:51:12,102 --> 00:51:13,402
So, you know,
1142
00:51:13,403 --> 00:51:14,603
even when you're really
involved in it,
1143
00:51:14,604 --> 00:51:15,839
you can be wrong. Right?
1144
00:51:16,206 --> 00:51:18,375
Thank you.
1145
00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:27,249
They put squibs
front and back, big heavy loads.
1146
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:31,087
And I'm not blowing smoke,
when they put those off,
1147
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:35,558
I practically went to my knees,
and I was physically ill
1148
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,694
for about an hour
after that happened.
1149
00:51:38,128 --> 00:51:39,161
That hurt.
1150
00:51:39,162 --> 00:51:40,729
They made a mistake.
1151
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:43,567
And they came to me afterwards,
and said, "We fucked up."
1152
00:51:51,274 --> 00:51:53,776
I had a little bit
of stop-motion experience,
1153
00:51:53,777 --> 00:51:56,879
and I talked with Jon Davison,
and he asked me
1154
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,481
about the possibility
of doing it
1155
00:51:58,482 --> 00:52:00,183
as a stop-motion character.
1156
00:52:00,584 --> 00:52:02,885
And I told him
that I'd be willing to try it,
1157
00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:06,255
and um, thought that I could do
something that looked good.
1158
00:52:06,256 --> 00:52:08,525
It ended up looking
kind of iffy.
1159
00:52:13,997 --> 00:52:16,333
The Rocco Gioffre shot
1160
00:52:16,766 --> 00:52:20,336
where he falls out the window
is a little dodgy.
1161
00:52:20,337 --> 00:52:22,771
That guy falling out
of the building at the end
1162
00:52:22,772 --> 00:52:24,808
with the really long arms. Oh.
1163
00:52:26,443 --> 00:52:28,512
We could have done better.
1164
00:52:28,778 --> 00:52:30,379
I don't know
what happened to that,
1165
00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:33,383
but I was... I was disappointed.
1166
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:36,185
Dick, I'm very disappointed.
1167
00:52:36,186 --> 00:52:37,386
Of course,
1168
00:52:37,387 --> 00:52:39,021
I'd like another crack
at the Dick Jones thing.
1169
00:52:39,022 --> 00:52:40,456
There's some stuff
that I would... would do
1170
00:52:40,457 --> 00:52:41,624
very differently.
1171
00:52:41,625 --> 00:52:43,359
Although, I don't think
that it's the fault
1172
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,662
of stop motion that that looks
the way that it does.
1173
00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:50,133
It's the proportions of his arms
in relationship to the lens
1174
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:52,669
that we chose and the way
that it looks distorted.
1175
00:52:54,471 --> 00:52:55,704
The way this shot
1176
00:52:55,705 --> 00:52:58,041
was supposed to work
from what I heard
1177
00:52:58,341 --> 00:53:01,944
was my character
was gonna go out the window.
1178
00:53:01,945 --> 00:53:07,216
They were gonna have ostensibly
a camera down halfway.
1179
00:53:07,217 --> 00:53:10,720
They were gonna articulate
my character coming down,
1180
00:53:11,121 --> 00:53:13,789
down, down, down
toward the camera.
1181
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:16,692
And then they were gonna flip
the camera
1182
00:53:16,693 --> 00:53:20,330
and take my character away
until he landed in the street.
1183
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:23,832
Well, obviously,
that didn't work.
1184
00:53:23,833 --> 00:53:25,201
That would have been great.
1185
00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:27,069
That's the reason
they made that little doll
1186
00:53:27,070 --> 00:53:29,906
to look exactly like me.
1187
00:53:31,274 --> 00:53:32,709
There's nothing like RoboCop.
1188
00:53:35,378 --> 00:53:37,013
I mean, there isn't.
1189
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,515
That has a social message
like this
1190
00:53:39,516 --> 00:53:41,551
that gets you on four or five
different levels.
1191
00:53:42,018 --> 00:53:43,887
Verhoeven's power,
I mean, he knew
1192
00:53:44,154 --> 00:53:45,287
the end of that movie is...
1193
00:53:45,288 --> 00:53:47,690
Nice shooting, son.
What's your name?
1194
00:53:47,691 --> 00:53:48,825
"What's your name?"
1195
00:53:50,627 --> 00:53:51,694
Murphy.
1196
00:53:51,695 --> 00:53:53,629
"Murphy."
1197
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:54,863
I'll never forget that.
1198
00:53:54,864 --> 00:53:57,601
Before Peter Weller
could answer Murphy...
1199
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:00,202
Nice shooting, son.
What's your name?
1200
00:54:00,203 --> 00:54:04,074
The whole theater
in one voice said, "Murphy!"
1201
00:54:04,407 --> 00:54:05,841
Yes!
1202
00:54:05,842 --> 00:54:07,109
That was so amazing.
1203
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:10,247
But like, "Murphy!"
1204
00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:12,548
That was a moment
that you will never forget,
1205
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:15,284
you know, that people
were so into the movie.
1206
00:54:15,285 --> 00:54:20,723
It was like this transformation
from human to robot,
1207
00:54:20,724 --> 00:54:22,625
and back to human.
1208
00:54:22,626 --> 00:54:26,428
It lives because of its theme.
1209
00:54:26,429 --> 00:54:31,800
And the theme is executed
right down the line, man.
1210
00:54:31,801 --> 00:54:35,105
And the theme is resurrection.
1211
00:54:40,343 --> 00:54:42,244
When the film was tested,
1212
00:54:42,245 --> 00:54:43,685
it was actually
a fourth media break.
1213
00:54:44,047 --> 00:54:47,149
And there was a sequence
in which Bixby Snyder
1214
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:49,151
is arrested as a pedophile.
1215
00:54:49,152 --> 00:54:51,287
And Nancy Allen
is in the hospital
1216
00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:53,989
being interviewed,
having survived the shootout.
1217
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:55,357
Excuse me, Your Honor.
1218
00:54:55,358 --> 00:54:58,360
Anne, ever consider
another line of work?
1219
00:54:58,361 --> 00:55:00,664
No. I like being a cop.
1220
00:55:00,897 --> 00:55:03,899
Well, the original ending
did have Anne Lewis saying,
1221
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,768
"If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen."
1222
00:55:05,769 --> 00:55:07,503
It parrots something that
you hear earlier in the film.
1223
00:55:07,504 --> 00:55:08,471
If you can't stand the heat,
1224
00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:09,815
you better stay out
of the kitchen.
1225
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,707
You know what they say.
1226
00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:15,077
If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen.
1227
00:55:15,078 --> 00:55:16,078
I don't know about you,
1228
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,814
but I'll sleep
a little better tonight.
1229
00:55:18,081 --> 00:55:19,648
I saw the dailies.
1230
00:55:19,649 --> 00:55:21,517
I didn't really like it
very much.
1231
00:55:21,518 --> 00:55:22,485
The audience always felt
1232
00:55:22,486 --> 00:55:24,720
that Murphy
was the way to go out.
1233
00:55:24,721 --> 00:55:27,290
So, that fourth media break
was never shown.
1234
00:55:27,524 --> 00:55:28,624
It was one of those things
1235
00:55:28,625 --> 00:55:30,392
where when I heard
they weren't using it,
1236
00:55:30,393 --> 00:55:33,730
I was sort of relieved,
because it just seemed so blah.
1237
00:55:33,963 --> 00:55:35,397
You bet!
1238
00:55:35,398 --> 00:55:38,301
Next time you see a cop, smile.
Thanks for watching.
1239
00:55:41,738 --> 00:55:43,405
We were on a tight schedule.
1240
00:55:43,406 --> 00:55:46,208
I was done with RoboCop
probably 10 days
1241
00:55:46,209 --> 00:55:47,476
after we finished shooting.
1242
00:55:47,477 --> 00:55:49,745
There wasn't like
the four-hour cut of RoboCop.
1243
00:55:49,746 --> 00:55:52,414
There was the...
If RoboCop's 114 minutes,
1244
00:55:52,415 --> 00:55:54,750
there was the 118-minute cut
of RoboCop.
1245
00:55:54,751 --> 00:55:55,751
That was the rough.
1246
00:55:58,288 --> 00:56:02,191
First of all, I was all for it
being a very violent movie.
1247
00:56:02,192 --> 00:56:05,294
I was interested in those ideas
and Paul was, too.
1248
00:56:05,295 --> 00:56:06,296
And I was surprised
1249
00:56:06,529 --> 00:56:08,130
when we were even shooting
these sequences.
1250
00:56:08,131 --> 00:56:09,331
I was thinking to myself,
1251
00:56:09,332 --> 00:56:10,899
"There's no way these are ever
gonna make it.
1252
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:12,668
It's never gonna make it
on screen."
1253
00:56:12,669 --> 00:56:15,504
I think Paul's idea
was actually, "Push it
1254
00:56:15,505 --> 00:56:17,139
as far as you can push it,
1255
00:56:17,140 --> 00:56:18,500
and then we'll dial it back
later."
1256
00:56:18,608 --> 00:56:20,976
If you can't push the envelope,
1257
00:56:20,977 --> 00:56:23,445
you know,
don't write the letter.
1258
00:56:23,446 --> 00:56:26,383
We wanted to grab people
by the throat,
1259
00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:28,551
and give 'em a good time
and a real good ride.
1260
00:56:31,254 --> 00:56:32,521
Our biggest problem
1261
00:56:32,522 --> 00:56:35,724
on the editing of the movie
was with the MPAA.
1262
00:56:35,725 --> 00:56:36,859
And so, we had to cut it,
1263
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:39,161
and cut it, and cut it eight,
nine times.
1264
00:56:39,162 --> 00:56:41,282
You know, we had to go back
to back, back, back, back.
1265
00:56:41,431 --> 00:56:44,868
But that original version
basically is really funny.
1266
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:48,104
It's safe to say
1267
00:56:48,105 --> 00:56:49,938
the ratings board
did not get the satire.
1268
00:56:49,939 --> 00:56:51,907
Of course, they gave us an X.
1269
00:56:51,908 --> 00:56:54,610
And so, we made a few trims,
and sent it back,
1270
00:56:54,611 --> 00:56:56,111
and we got another X.
1271
00:56:56,112 --> 00:56:59,448
So, Paul went back in,
and he kept cutting away
1272
00:56:59,449 --> 00:57:02,251
the shot where Peter Waller
loses his hand,
1273
00:57:02,252 --> 00:57:03,786
because it was too graphic.
1274
00:57:03,787 --> 00:57:06,922
It was supposed to be so big,
1275
00:57:06,923 --> 00:57:11,226
so too much, that it in a way,
lost its impact.
1276
00:57:11,227 --> 00:57:15,230
And the more you cut it down,
the more real it became.
1277
00:57:15,231 --> 00:57:17,567
And somehow, those censors
just didn't see that.
1278
00:57:17,901 --> 00:57:22,739
In a way, they made the violence
worse for us as a viewer.
1279
00:57:22,972 --> 00:57:24,406
We had this one shot
1280
00:57:24,407 --> 00:57:25,908
where they shoot him
in the head,
1281
00:57:25,909 --> 00:57:28,143
and it was a complete move
right from his face,
1282
00:57:28,144 --> 00:57:29,679
all the way
to the back of his head.
1283
00:57:30,847 --> 00:57:33,749
And the MPAA
wouldn't allow me to use it.
1284
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:36,385
I could only use the impact
just from the front
1285
00:57:36,386 --> 00:57:38,954
and then the back.
1286
00:57:38,955 --> 00:57:41,256
And it probably was more violent
doing it that way
1287
00:57:41,257 --> 00:57:42,958
than just showing
the whole move.
1288
00:57:42,959 --> 00:57:43,992
There was a shot of the floor.
1289
00:57:43,993 --> 00:57:45,060
It was a wide shot.
1290
00:57:45,061 --> 00:57:46,462
And the floor was covered
with blood.
1291
00:57:46,463 --> 00:57:47,863
It looked
like a butcher shop floor.
1292
00:57:47,864 --> 00:57:50,866
In the first preview of it,
10 women got up
1293
00:57:50,867 --> 00:57:52,468
at that moment and left the...
1294
00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:54,029
The screening room.
It was just amazing.
1295
00:57:56,406 --> 00:57:57,840
I think the first thing
I realized
1296
00:57:57,841 --> 00:58:01,511
was red was a problem.
Just red, the amount of red.
1297
00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:04,247
We had a preview,
1298
00:58:04,514 --> 00:58:07,883
and about the highest
rated thing in the movie
1299
00:58:07,884 --> 00:58:10,153
was Emil getting hit by the car.
1300
00:58:12,522 --> 00:58:15,090
And the MPAA said,
"Absolutely not.
1301
00:58:15,091 --> 00:58:18,093
You cannot have that.
It's decapitation."
1302
00:58:18,094 --> 00:58:22,364
And God bless Mike Medavoy,
because to his credit, he said,
1303
00:58:22,365 --> 00:58:24,466
"We are not cutting that shot.
1304
00:58:24,467 --> 00:58:27,302
We'll go to the mat
with the MPAA on this.
1305
00:58:27,303 --> 00:58:28,571
We're not taking it out."
1306
00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:33,275
Jon Davison
made the whole crew T-shirts.
1307
00:58:33,276 --> 00:58:35,644
One side would say "RoboCop,"
1308
00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:38,714
and the other side
would say, "Fuck the MPAA."
1309
00:58:38,715 --> 00:58:40,349
It was like,
"Well, wait a minute.
1310
00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,385
If they wanna play games,
we'll play some games."
1311
00:58:42,585 --> 00:58:44,686
Okay, okay.
I get a kick out of it.
1312
00:58:44,687 --> 00:58:46,522
You end up wearing
them down, you know?
1313
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:48,457
You cut maybe a frame out.
1314
00:58:48,458 --> 00:58:50,158
But you keep sending
the same stuff back
1315
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,228
and they eventually give in.
1316
00:58:53,463 --> 00:58:54,463
They changed the rules
1317
00:58:54,464 --> 00:58:56,532
after that movie
about how many times
1318
00:58:56,533 --> 00:58:57,901
you can submit a film.
1319
00:58:59,335 --> 00:59:00,569
There was a moment
1320
00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:03,005
in the cutting room
where I remember Jon and Paul
1321
00:59:03,006 --> 00:59:05,607
immediately started
getting into a fight
1322
00:59:05,608 --> 00:59:07,142
and Sol Lomita, who was the head
1323
00:59:07,143 --> 00:59:09,611
of post-production at Orion,
who was a very tough guy,
1324
00:59:09,612 --> 00:59:11,179
starts yelling at Paul.
1325
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:12,915
And Paul starts yelling back.
1326
00:59:12,916 --> 00:59:14,216
And I said,
"Wait a second, guys.
1327
00:59:14,217 --> 00:59:16,084
What if we cut the arm out?"
1328
00:59:16,085 --> 00:59:17,586
Because I always thought
it looked shitty anyway.
1329
00:59:17,587 --> 00:59:18,788
"Let's cut the arm out!"
1330
00:59:20,089 --> 00:59:21,590
And they both looked
at each other.
1331
00:59:21,591 --> 00:59:24,560
"Okay." And that was that.
And then we sent it in.
1332
00:59:24,561 --> 00:59:27,397
And with the arm out of it,
we got the R-rated.
1333
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:32,334
When I came back
from this movie,
1334
00:59:32,335 --> 00:59:33,870
I just felt like I was dead.
1335
00:59:34,103 --> 00:59:37,273
It was a very challenging movie
to work on.
1336
00:59:37,507 --> 00:59:39,742
Constant tension and...
And conflict.
1337
00:59:39,943 --> 00:59:41,210
People were exhausted.
1338
00:59:41,444 --> 00:59:42,544
We had all had this terrible
1339
00:59:42,545 --> 00:59:44,613
rep party where everybody
behaved badly.
1340
00:59:44,614 --> 00:59:46,648
And on the plane the next day,
1341
00:59:46,649 --> 00:59:48,169
there were people
who hated each other,
1342
00:59:48,384 --> 00:59:50,786
but we were all so hung over
that we couldn't even like...
1343
00:59:50,787 --> 00:59:52,355
It was just like...
1344
00:59:52,722 --> 00:59:54,756
You know,
after finishing RoboCop,
1345
00:59:54,757 --> 00:59:57,092
I decided that I was going to go
to the mountains
1346
00:59:57,093 --> 00:59:59,261
and raise ducks
for the rest of my life.
1347
00:59:59,262 --> 01:00:01,297
It was that bad.
1348
01:00:04,734 --> 01:00:06,602
When the picture
was about to come out,
1349
01:00:06,603 --> 01:00:09,071
the head of marketing
at Orion Pictures said,
1350
01:00:09,072 --> 01:00:10,806
"I cannot market this movie.
1351
01:00:10,807 --> 01:00:13,943
It's impossible to m... to go out
with a movie called 'RoboCop'."
1352
01:00:15,244 --> 01:00:18,547
RoboCop, mechanical body,
human memory,
1353
01:00:18,548 --> 01:00:21,250
the ultimate law enforcement
operative of the future.
1354
01:00:21,584 --> 01:00:22,552
RoboCop was scheduled
1355
01:00:22,553 --> 01:00:25,687
to come out, I think,
after Labor Day.
1356
01:00:25,688 --> 01:00:28,024
And that summer,
the big blockbusters
1357
01:00:28,224 --> 01:00:30,859
from the studios
just didn't cut it.
1358
01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:32,761
And it turned out,
there were slots
1359
01:00:32,762 --> 01:00:34,429
that became open.
1360
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:36,932
Orion didn't have much
of a budget for marketing.
1361
01:00:36,933 --> 01:00:39,435
It was a small... you know,
it was a low-budget picture.
1362
01:00:39,836 --> 01:00:42,437
And I said, "Don't position it
against something,
1363
01:00:42,438 --> 01:00:44,039
you know,
that's going to be bigger."
1364
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,360
So, they put it out
in the summer.
1365
01:00:46,876 --> 01:00:49,978
RoboCop, the future of law
enforcement, rated R.
1366
01:00:49,979 --> 01:00:53,483
Starts Friday, July 17th
at a theater near you.
1367
01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:56,019
Orion made a trailer,
and it was pretty terrible.
1368
01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:58,320
The summer's new superhero
1369
01:00:58,321 --> 01:01:01,690
is America's new
super hit movie.
1370
01:01:01,691 --> 01:01:02,858
RoboCop.
1371
01:01:02,859 --> 01:01:03,992
I really love that guy.
1372
01:01:03,993 --> 01:01:05,161
Rated R.
1373
01:01:05,495 --> 01:01:08,830
And so, I hired a friend
of mine, Miller Drake,
1374
01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:11,633
from the New World
Trailer Department.
1375
01:01:11,634 --> 01:01:13,669
And he came in,
and spent a week,
1376
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:15,138
and cut the trailer.
1377
01:01:16,506 --> 01:01:18,474
It is my great pleasure
to present to you...
1378
01:01:20,743 --> 01:01:21,743
RoboCop.
1379
01:01:23,913 --> 01:01:26,182
Orion Pictures was putting
together a trailer.
1380
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:29,818
And they didn't have any music
from our movie yet,
1381
01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:31,299
because the music
hadn't been written.
1382
01:01:31,688 --> 01:01:34,823
- Let the woman go.
- You are under arrest.
1383
01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,491
So, they utilized
1384
01:01:36,492 --> 01:01:39,094
Brad Fiedel's score
from Terminator.
1385
01:01:39,095 --> 01:01:40,530
You have the right
to remain silent.
1386
01:01:42,832 --> 01:01:44,152
You have the right
to an attorney.
1387
01:01:44,367 --> 01:01:46,669
What is this?
1388
01:01:46,903 --> 01:01:49,572
It's not a great trailer,
but it's an awful lot better.
1389
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:52,207
"The future of law enforcement.
1390
01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:53,208
RoboCop."
1391
01:01:55,778 --> 01:01:59,115
RoboCop, the future
of law enforcement.
1392
01:02:00,316 --> 01:02:01,783
And of course,
1393
01:02:01,784 --> 01:02:03,418
when it was accepted,
it seemed like,
1394
01:02:03,419 --> 01:02:05,587
"Well, what other title
could there be?" You know?
1395
01:02:05,588 --> 01:02:07,756
It is a perfect title in a way,
because it tells you
1396
01:02:07,757 --> 01:02:09,092
exactly what the movie is.
1397
01:02:09,492 --> 01:02:11,893
I was told I was almost gonna be
the poster for the movie,
1398
01:02:11,894 --> 01:02:13,762
because my character
with the machine gun
1399
01:02:13,763 --> 01:02:15,397
being pulled through the wall,
1400
01:02:15,398 --> 01:02:17,132
with the two RoboCop arms
sticking through
1401
01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:18,800
was quite a photograph.
1402
01:02:18,801 --> 01:02:20,969
So, it was one of two or three
that they were considering,
1403
01:02:20,970 --> 01:02:22,250
but they went
with the right one.
1404
01:02:26,609 --> 01:02:29,678
They managed to come up
with an iconic shot,
1405
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:32,714
which is Robo
getting out of the cruiser.
1406
01:02:32,715 --> 01:02:34,250
"Part man, part machine,
all cop."
1407
01:02:39,355 --> 01:02:42,424
And that was actually a still
that was done
1408
01:02:42,425 --> 01:02:45,727
by the on-still photographer
named Deana Newcomb.
1409
01:02:45,728 --> 01:02:48,363
And they just essentially,
what we would now call,
1410
01:02:48,364 --> 01:02:49,364
"photoshopped it".
1411
01:02:50,833 --> 01:02:52,435
That became the iconic image.
1412
01:02:57,140 --> 01:02:59,975
And it's become
an iconic poster.
1413
01:02:59,976 --> 01:03:02,310
Somebody came up with the ad
thing on the... on the poster,
1414
01:03:02,311 --> 01:03:05,847
and said, "This cop don't stop
at no donut shop."
1415
01:03:05,848 --> 01:03:07,616
One of the great
marketing things ever.
1416
01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:10,252
I thought it would have
a very limited audience.
1417
01:03:10,253 --> 01:03:11,586
I thought, "It's so strange.
1418
01:03:11,587 --> 01:03:13,722
It's so different
than anything."
1419
01:03:13,723 --> 01:03:16,926
And I thought, "This is just not
gonna work on a large scale."
1420
01:03:19,929 --> 01:03:20,863
Then the premiere
1421
01:03:20,864 --> 01:03:23,866
at the Academy Theater,
900 people,
1422
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:26,202
my family in the audience. Wow.
1423
01:03:26,402 --> 01:03:27,869
We went to the premiere,
1424
01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:31,306
and I... I thought
the movie was fantastic.
1425
01:03:31,307 --> 01:03:32,741
I just thought it was great.
1426
01:03:32,742 --> 01:03:35,144
You know, "here I am in like
the place
1427
01:03:35,478 --> 01:03:37,647
in Hollywood show business.
1428
01:03:38,014 --> 01:03:39,115
Wow, man!"
1429
01:03:44,153 --> 01:03:47,523
I mean, it came out in July
of '87, and people loved it.
1430
01:03:47,757 --> 01:03:49,825
Everybody loves RoboCop.
1431
01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:50,959
Holy shit!
1432
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,428
We got a monster hit here.
1433
01:03:53,896 --> 01:03:56,432
RoboCop, two thumbs up.
1434
01:03:56,966 --> 01:03:58,433
RoboCop is a wonderfully funny,
1435
01:03:58,434 --> 01:04:01,204
inventive, and agreeably violent
piece of science fiction.
1436
01:04:01,470 --> 01:04:02,604
And I can't remember
the last time
1437
01:04:02,605 --> 01:04:04,173
I put all those adjectives
together.
1438
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,008
Newsweek calls it,
"Slick, lively.
1439
01:04:07,009 --> 01:04:08,777
Audiences will eat it up."
1440
01:04:08,778 --> 01:04:09,978
- Wow.
- Wow.
1441
01:04:09,979 --> 01:04:11,219
Wow. This is something special.
1442
01:04:11,547 --> 01:04:15,318
It opened to such a huge
box office and a reception
1443
01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:16,962
from you know, across the board.
1444
01:04:16,986 --> 01:04:18,653
I don't think anybody knew
1445
01:04:18,654 --> 01:04:20,889
that it was gonna be as big
as it was.
1446
01:04:20,890 --> 01:04:22,324
It was so fantastic.
1447
01:04:22,325 --> 01:04:25,327
I had never seen that
in my life, you know?
1448
01:04:25,328 --> 01:04:28,030
The day I saw the film,
it was lightning in a bottle.
1449
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:34,269
He's a stainless steel,
unstoppable Clint Eastwood.
1450
01:04:34,270 --> 01:04:36,371
I think you should run
to see this movie.
1451
01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:37,539
And not only because I'm in it,
1452
01:04:37,540 --> 01:04:39,074
but because, well, we'll talk
about it later.
1453
01:04:39,075 --> 01:04:40,075
Go see it.
1454
01:04:40,276 --> 01:04:42,277
I will.
1455
01:04:42,278 --> 01:04:43,511
There's a new guy in town.
1456
01:04:43,512 --> 01:04:46,214
Wow. This is different
than anything I'd ever seen.
1457
01:04:46,215 --> 01:04:47,482
His name's RoboCop.
1458
01:04:47,483 --> 01:04:48,550
It was really something,
1459
01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:49,911
and pretty impactful
on the public.
1460
01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:52,020
People saw it,
and they wanted to see it again.
1461
01:04:52,021 --> 01:04:53,256
- RoboCop.
- RoboCop.
1462
01:04:53,489 --> 01:04:55,124
Oh, yeah, RoboCop!
That's so cool.
1463
01:04:56,926 --> 01:04:59,928
People thought
that movie was off the chart.
1464
01:04:59,929 --> 01:05:01,963
The tone, everything, the humor.
1465
01:05:01,964 --> 01:05:03,899
RoboCop is dead-on!
1466
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,202
Both as a thriller
and an unexpected comedy.
1467
01:05:07,870 --> 01:05:09,437
Truly, it's an interesting story
1468
01:05:09,438 --> 01:05:11,840
and it has a lot of depth to it,
but just on an action,
1469
01:05:11,841 --> 01:05:13,975
you know, shoot 'em up,
and blow it up,
1470
01:05:13,976 --> 01:05:15,744
and bloody it up.
1471
01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:19,314
You know, just on a popcorn,
crazy summer movie level,
1472
01:05:19,315 --> 01:05:20,782
it works on that, too.
1473
01:05:20,783 --> 01:05:22,384
The movie has a lot
of high-tech special effects.
1474
01:05:22,385 --> 01:05:24,219
It's an effective
summer thriller.
1475
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:25,388
I enjoyed it.
1476
01:05:26,956 --> 01:05:29,524
When I left the theater,
I felt sick to my stomach.
1477
01:05:29,525 --> 01:05:30,692
I couldn't believe
what I'd seen.
1478
01:05:30,693 --> 01:05:32,761
I had no idea working on it
that that film
1479
01:05:32,762 --> 01:05:34,062
was gonna be what it was.
1480
01:05:34,063 --> 01:05:35,730
Like, takes your viscera,
1481
01:05:35,731 --> 01:05:37,899
and makes you feel
part of the deal.
1482
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:39,768
It has some guts to it.
1483
01:05:39,769 --> 01:05:41,129
And I think
that's because of Paul.
1484
01:05:41,304 --> 01:05:43,271
A lot of people deserve credit
for this film.
1485
01:05:43,272 --> 01:05:45,473
The foremost, I guess,
is the highly regarded
1486
01:05:45,474 --> 01:05:46,876
Dutch director Paul Verhoeven.
1487
01:05:47,176 --> 01:05:48,944
We were kind of like dumbfounded
1488
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:51,146
that, "Wow.
So, that's what Paul was...
1489
01:05:51,147 --> 01:05:52,314
Was doing."
1490
01:05:52,315 --> 01:05:53,581
And Verhoeven, you know,
1491
01:05:53,582 --> 01:05:55,884
as difficult
as he was to work with,
1492
01:05:55,885 --> 01:05:57,352
you know, he had a vision
of what he wanted,
1493
01:05:57,353 --> 01:05:58,788
and he got his movie.
1494
01:06:00,923 --> 01:06:02,724
We went to a restaurant
1495
01:06:02,725 --> 01:06:05,193
opposite to the theater
in Westwood,
1496
01:06:05,194 --> 01:06:08,564
and we're sitting there,
and then saw this line of people
1497
01:06:08,898 --> 01:06:10,065
that went like this,
1498
01:06:10,066 --> 01:06:12,667
and they go on the streets,
and then the side street,
1499
01:06:12,668 --> 01:06:13,970
and around the corner.
1500
01:06:14,203 --> 01:06:16,972
But seeing them going,
I mean, you don't see
1501
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:19,040
that much anymore this way.
1502
01:06:19,041 --> 01:06:20,909
It was a success,
because the budget
1503
01:06:20,910 --> 01:06:23,311
was 13, and it made 120
or something
1504
01:06:23,312 --> 01:06:24,447
in the world, you know?
1505
01:06:24,814 --> 01:06:26,694
So, I'm still getting money
from them, you know?
1506
01:06:26,749 --> 01:06:28,383
I owned half the movie,
1507
01:06:28,384 --> 01:06:32,821
and I gave pieces of it
to 13 or 15 people
1508
01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:34,356
that worked on the picture.
1509
01:06:34,357 --> 01:06:37,659
And to this very day,
we're still getting checks.
1510
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:40,796
Still get some very decent
residual checks from RoboCop.
1511
01:06:41,130 --> 01:06:43,398
"Hey, man. Did you get the last
residual check?"
1512
01:06:43,399 --> 01:06:45,668
"Yeah, I got it."
"All right!"
1513
01:06:47,536 --> 01:06:48,670
That'll give you an idea
1514
01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:51,306
of how popular
that movie was and still is.
1515
01:06:51,307 --> 01:06:52,807
People stopping you
on the street
1516
01:06:52,808 --> 01:06:54,809
and asking you to do the laugh.
1517
01:06:54,810 --> 01:06:56,811
You get the laundry,
folding your clothes,
1518
01:06:56,812 --> 01:06:58,480
and say, "Man, do that laugh!
Man, do that laugh."
1519
01:06:58,481 --> 01:07:00,016
I'm like,
"I can't do that laugh."
1520
01:07:02,218 --> 01:07:03,785
People have said to me,
1521
01:07:03,786 --> 01:07:06,354
"Hey yeah, RoboCop."
I say, "Yeah, yeah."
1522
01:07:06,355 --> 01:07:07,389
Mm!
1523
01:07:07,390 --> 01:07:10,358
Tastes like baby food.
1524
01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:11,993
Tastes like baby food.
1525
01:07:11,994 --> 01:07:13,962
That's the one line
they never forget.
1526
01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:14,997
Knock yourself out.
1527
01:07:15,197 --> 01:07:17,365
It changed the world for me.
And I can tell you,
1528
01:07:17,366 --> 01:07:19,335
I got out of two
speeding tickets because of it.
1529
01:07:20,569 --> 01:07:22,103
Motorcycle cop pulls me over.
1530
01:07:22,104 --> 01:07:24,639
He goes,
"License and registration."
1531
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,741
Flips up his shades.
1532
01:07:26,742 --> 01:07:29,077
"RoboCop,
get the fuck out of here."
1533
01:07:29,078 --> 01:07:30,445
"Have you ever seen RoboCop?"
1534
01:07:30,446 --> 01:07:32,214
And of course,
right there, the beat.
1535
01:07:33,282 --> 01:07:34,883
"We have it on a loop
in the station.
1536
01:07:34,884 --> 01:07:36,518
We watch it all the time!"
1537
01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:38,479
We got onto that subject
and off that ticket went.
1538
01:07:40,289 --> 01:07:41,856
My friend's son was like,
"Oh, yeah.
1539
01:07:41,857 --> 01:07:43,825
At college, we all watch
RoboCop like every weekend.
1540
01:07:43,826 --> 01:07:45,193
I went, "You do?"
1541
01:07:45,194 --> 01:07:46,928
He goes, "Yeah."
He goes, "And you?
1542
01:07:46,929 --> 01:07:48,898
Everybody knows you.
You're like the coke whore."
1543
01:07:49,198 --> 01:07:50,733
I said, "I think I was a model."
1544
01:07:52,368 --> 01:07:54,002
The thing that is most
interesting to me
1545
01:07:54,003 --> 01:07:56,204
about all of this and I could
not have predicted it,
1546
01:07:56,205 --> 01:07:57,572
but I couldn't be more pleased,
1547
01:07:57,573 --> 01:08:01,242
is that this is somehow
like this cultural thing
1548
01:08:01,243 --> 01:08:03,878
that young men particularly,
but some young women, too,
1549
01:08:03,879 --> 01:08:04,879
really embrace.
1550
01:08:06,015 --> 01:08:07,449
I'm always amazed
1551
01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:09,251
when people come up to me,
and say,
1552
01:08:09,552 --> 01:08:12,788
"My dad took me
to see that movie
1553
01:08:13,322 --> 01:08:15,790
when I was 8 years old,
and it changed my life."
1554
01:08:15,791 --> 01:08:17,759
And I thought to myself,
1555
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,095
"Why would your dad
1556
01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:22,564
- take you to see that movie?"
- I don't know.
1557
01:08:22,565 --> 01:08:24,265
"I saw it,
and I was way too young."
1558
01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:25,867
And you know...
1559
01:08:25,868 --> 01:08:27,846
And "My brother took me there
and I shouldn't have seen it."
1560
01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:29,504
"Oh, I saw this movie
when I was 8,"
1561
01:08:29,505 --> 01:08:30,805
or "I saw this movie,"
and I thought,
1562
01:08:30,806 --> 01:08:31,906
"Where were the parents?
1563
01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:33,275
You know,
what was going on there?"
1564
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:35,410
Murphy.
1565
01:08:35,411 --> 01:08:39,581
It's a wonder you're not, you
know, a complete serial killer
1566
01:08:39,582 --> 01:08:41,417
or something. I mean, God!
1567
01:08:41,617 --> 01:08:43,652
And it's almost...
It becomes a rite of passage,
1568
01:08:43,953 --> 01:08:45,054
and kids would sneak off
1569
01:08:45,454 --> 01:08:46,821
to see it
at other people's houses.
1570
01:08:46,822 --> 01:08:50,625
"My uncle sneaked me in
and let me watch his VHS.
1571
01:08:50,626 --> 01:08:52,927
And it was cool!"
"This is my favorite movie.
1572
01:08:52,928 --> 01:08:54,429
- Don't tell your mom."
- This is, sort of,
1573
01:08:54,430 --> 01:08:57,732
their touchstone film
in lots of ways.
1574
01:08:57,733 --> 01:08:59,734
It tapped
into your, sort of, sense
1575
01:08:59,735 --> 01:09:02,003
of... of absurdity.
1576
01:09:02,004 --> 01:09:03,605
It was all the makeup,
1577
01:09:03,606 --> 01:09:06,941
and the faces dissolving,
and guns firing.
1578
01:09:06,942 --> 01:09:10,612
You know, it's that hardwired
of the charge of it all,
1579
01:09:10,613 --> 01:09:12,781
you know,
and the fascination with it all.
1580
01:09:13,015 --> 01:09:14,650
I showed my kids,
1581
01:09:15,151 --> 01:09:17,485
and they thought ED-209
was kind of funny.
1582
01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:19,621
And I'm like,
"What's wrong with you?"
1583
01:09:19,622 --> 01:09:22,157
So, I took 'em out of the will,
I kicked them out of the house.
1584
01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:23,625
Kids, look up to him.
1585
01:09:23,626 --> 01:09:24,827
Stay out of trouble.
1586
01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:28,363
I think as long as in a violent
film, there's a hero
1587
01:09:28,364 --> 01:09:33,168
that's a good role model
for kids, then you know,
1588
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:35,103
it's got to be okay.
1589
01:09:35,104 --> 01:09:36,704
Can you do that, Dad?
1590
01:09:36,705 --> 01:09:37,939
There's an
interesting thing about
1591
01:09:37,940 --> 01:09:39,842
action films
and action characters
1592
01:09:40,242 --> 01:09:42,377
that are horrifically violent.
1593
01:09:42,378 --> 01:09:43,811
And then the fallout
1594
01:09:43,812 --> 01:09:48,951
of the film begs
to the commercial world dolls.
1595
01:09:49,185 --> 01:09:50,952
Drop it!
1596
01:09:50,953 --> 01:09:53,521
RoboCop and the Ultra Police,
each sold separately.
1597
01:09:53,522 --> 01:09:55,191
Criminals, give up.
1598
01:09:55,491 --> 01:09:57,859
I didn't expect
all of the merchandising.
1599
01:09:57,860 --> 01:09:59,160
That was a surprise.
1600
01:09:59,161 --> 01:10:01,429
RoboCop and evil ED-260
1601
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:03,831
face off
with rapid repeat cap firing.
1602
01:10:03,832 --> 01:10:05,834
I mean, RoboCop, right?
1603
01:10:06,068 --> 01:10:10,672
So, the kids want RoboCop
costume, you know, and stuff.
1604
01:10:10,673 --> 01:10:12,073
What do you expect
from the studios?
1605
01:10:12,208 --> 01:10:16,344
The helmet, the look,
the power of RoboCop.
1606
01:10:16,345 --> 01:10:18,179
The idea of RoboCop
1607
01:10:18,180 --> 01:10:21,349
appealing to kids and everything
didn't surprise me in the least.
1608
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:23,051
I expected it.
1609
01:10:23,052 --> 01:10:25,020
I went, "Wow.
This is a comic book film.
1610
01:10:25,287 --> 01:10:26,821
There's no comic book."
1611
01:10:26,822 --> 01:10:29,591
And then I think Marvel
did the comic after.
1612
01:10:29,592 --> 01:10:30,693
And it was just a natural.
1613
01:10:33,162 --> 01:10:36,764
Well, the audience for the comic
was never really very clear.
1614
01:10:36,765 --> 01:10:38,633
I think it was clearly...
1615
01:10:38,634 --> 01:10:40,935
It had to be for younger
age group.
1616
01:10:40,936 --> 01:10:43,171
Although, I was never really
totally certain why,
1617
01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:45,240
because actually
most comic books,
1618
01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:47,909
certainly by then,
were for late teenagers,
1619
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:49,244
early 20s.
1620
01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:50,646
But you could tell
that the stories
1621
01:10:50,846 --> 01:10:52,947
were starting to go
in a direction
1622
01:10:52,948 --> 01:10:56,317
that you might expect
a good continuation
1623
01:10:56,318 --> 01:10:58,787
of the movie
to be coming up with.
1624
01:10:59,021 --> 01:11:01,322
You still couldn't show
people's heads being blown off
1625
01:11:01,323 --> 01:11:02,590
or anything like that.
1626
01:11:02,591 --> 01:11:04,859
Actually, to my relief,
because the older I get,
1627
01:11:04,860 --> 01:11:06,028
the more squeamish I get.
1628
01:11:08,063 --> 01:11:09,631
It was fantastic seeing RoboCop
1629
01:11:09,632 --> 01:11:11,466
come out in all these different
iterations,
1630
01:11:11,467 --> 01:11:12,667
the games, the toys, you know?
1631
01:11:12,668 --> 01:11:14,269
I mean, I like to buy 'em.
1632
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:16,238
I must have put $100
worth of quarters
1633
01:11:16,639 --> 01:11:18,740
into uh, that machine.
1634
01:11:18,741 --> 01:11:20,642
Don't move, creep!
1635
01:11:20,643 --> 01:11:21,643
It was bitchin'.
1636
01:11:25,981 --> 01:11:27,650
Thank you for your cooperation.
1637
01:11:28,117 --> 01:11:29,584
After being mortally wounded
1638
01:11:29,585 --> 01:11:32,154
in the line of duty,
Officer Murphy is outfitted
1639
01:11:32,588 --> 01:11:35,958
by OCP with bulletproof
titanium robotic parts.
1640
01:11:36,425 --> 01:11:37,545
When it came to the cartoons
1641
01:11:37,626 --> 01:11:39,894
and all that stuff, you know,
that stuff wasn't anywhere
1642
01:11:39,895 --> 01:11:41,697
near as violent as the feature.
1643
01:11:42,064 --> 01:11:44,933
He has become
the ultimate super cop.
1644
01:11:46,101 --> 01:11:47,136
RoboCop.
1645
01:11:48,904 --> 01:11:51,173
And I was very impressed
with the guy who played my part.
1646
01:11:51,607 --> 01:11:55,176
I bet you don't think
I'm a very nice person.
1647
01:11:55,177 --> 01:11:56,712
I think you're scum.
1648
01:11:58,247 --> 01:11:59,714
It just blew their little minds.
1649
01:11:59,715 --> 01:12:01,816
It's okay, Murphy.
1650
01:12:01,817 --> 01:12:03,552
It's me, Lewis.
1651
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,040
So, it was fun. You know,
it's fun to be part of that.
1652
01:12:08,490 --> 01:12:10,124
You will have a time as a child,
1653
01:12:10,125 --> 01:12:12,927
where you'll see a picture
which will shape you
1654
01:12:12,928 --> 01:12:13,996
the rest of your life.
1655
01:12:14,363 --> 01:12:17,198
It gets into your head
and into your heart as a child,
1656
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,400
and it becomes a loved thing.
1657
01:12:19,401 --> 01:12:22,003
And it really has a power
and a motive force
1658
01:12:22,004 --> 01:12:23,004
the rest of your life.
1659
01:12:24,873 --> 01:12:27,009
One of the most
remarkable things is that
1660
01:12:27,543 --> 01:12:31,479
a mom came up to me, my age,
with a kid
1661
01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:34,482
in his 40s, and he said
he was on the wrong side
1662
01:12:34,483 --> 01:12:36,417
of the law when he was 12.
1663
01:12:36,418 --> 01:12:38,753
And his mom showed him RoboCop.
1664
01:12:38,754 --> 01:12:41,023
He says, "I saw RoboCop,
and I wanna be a cop.
1665
01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:44,192
I left my friends,"
changed his playground,
1666
01:12:44,193 --> 01:12:45,827
and became this cop, man.
1667
01:12:45,828 --> 01:12:49,330
That's a service
that I can never dream
1668
01:12:49,331 --> 01:12:52,367
that any movie would do
or be of,
1669
01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:54,036
is that change a guy's life.
1670
01:12:55,838 --> 01:12:57,004
I know that Ed and I,
1671
01:12:57,005 --> 01:12:59,608
we talked for a moment
about the sequel,
1672
01:13:00,075 --> 01:13:03,211
but I think the studio felt
that we were not fast enough
1673
01:13:03,212 --> 01:13:05,012
and went other ways.
1674
01:13:05,013 --> 01:13:07,148
Orion was in financial trouble.
1675
01:13:07,149 --> 01:13:08,683
Because it was successful,
1676
01:13:08,684 --> 01:13:10,853
they immediately
wanted to do another one.
1677
01:13:12,388 --> 01:13:13,422
Taking over, creep.
1678
01:13:17,192 --> 01:13:19,194
The misfire of the sequel,
1679
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:22,397
and then number three
was just horrible.
1680
01:13:22,398 --> 01:13:24,065
He's taking the future.
1681
01:13:24,066 --> 01:13:25,700
What in the name...
1682
01:13:25,701 --> 01:13:28,070
And giving it back
to the people.
1683
01:13:29,571 --> 01:13:31,572
RoboCop 3.
1684
01:13:31,573 --> 01:13:34,410
But that's more aimed
at children to make it PG-13.
1685
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:36,811
So, then more people would come.
1686
01:13:36,812 --> 01:13:38,646
And some people like 2.
1687
01:13:38,647 --> 01:13:40,548
I don't know too many people
who like 3.
1688
01:13:40,549 --> 01:13:41,816
You know, it set the stage
1689
01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:43,484
for the rest of 'em,
but they always say
1690
01:13:43,485 --> 01:13:44,620
the first one's the best.
1691
01:13:44,953 --> 01:13:47,121
There's that first flash
when you get hit in the face,
1692
01:13:47,122 --> 01:13:48,556
and that was probably
what the first movie was.
1693
01:13:48,557 --> 01:13:50,317
And then everything else
was just body shots.
1694
01:13:54,296 --> 01:13:56,664
In the time
since that film has come out,
1695
01:13:56,665 --> 01:13:59,233
it's grown a massive following.
1696
01:13:59,234 --> 01:14:01,803
It's really difficult to get
a movie that works everywhere,
1697
01:14:01,804 --> 01:14:03,738
and RoboCop works everywhere.
1698
01:14:03,739 --> 01:14:05,373
And it's still popular
to this day.
1699
01:14:05,374 --> 01:14:06,375
The success of RoboCop
1700
01:14:06,775 --> 01:14:09,244
is more basically
that it's still there now
1701
01:14:09,511 --> 01:14:11,780
than that it was
such a big success. That...
1702
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:17,752
The idea of landing a superhero
1703
01:14:17,753 --> 01:14:21,289
within the consciousness
of Western civilization,
1704
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:23,090
I feel very lucky
to have been a part of that.
1705
01:14:25,594 --> 01:14:27,095
RoboCop predicted,
1706
01:14:27,329 --> 01:14:30,398
sort of, the decadence
of what our media is like today,
1707
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:32,066
I think, and... and our politics.
1708
01:14:32,067 --> 01:14:33,401
You better be careful, man.
1709
01:14:33,402 --> 01:14:36,070
- I hear Jones is a real shark.
- Who asked you, twerp?
1710
01:14:36,071 --> 01:14:37,473
We were so on target.
1711
01:14:39,241 --> 01:14:40,641
The movie is so precise,
1712
01:14:40,642 --> 01:14:42,944
and there is really nothing
in the movie
1713
01:14:42,945 --> 01:14:44,713
that I would say
that was not good.
1714
01:14:45,113 --> 01:14:46,314
There are parallels
1715
01:14:46,315 --> 01:14:49,550
you can draw to our...
Our daily political life,
1716
01:14:49,551 --> 01:14:51,652
our daily social life.
1717
01:14:51,653 --> 01:14:53,821
There are aspects of it
that are still true today
1718
01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:57,092
and becoming more true
every day.
1719
01:14:57,559 --> 01:14:58,527
It also forecast
1720
01:14:58,528 --> 01:15:00,128
the militarization
of the police,
1721
01:15:00,496 --> 01:15:01,996
how the police
are all decked out
1722
01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:03,899
in these body armor
and kevlar vests,
1723
01:15:04,299 --> 01:15:06,702
and they have this massive
military presence.
1724
01:15:07,336 --> 01:15:09,136
Halt it!
1725
01:15:09,137 --> 01:15:10,671
Violence is on the rise,
1726
01:15:10,672 --> 01:15:13,975
citizens are defenseless,
the businesses are corrupt,
1727
01:15:13,976 --> 01:15:15,744
people build big products
that don't work.
1728
01:15:18,213 --> 01:15:21,482
And now, we have robots
taking over all kinds of jobs.
1729
01:15:21,483 --> 01:15:24,218
So, it's become more
of a reality than ever.
1730
01:15:24,219 --> 01:15:25,921
And all of that, unfortunately,
1731
01:15:26,288 --> 01:15:29,223
and alas, has now gone up
a whole order of magnitude
1732
01:15:29,224 --> 01:15:31,392
in today's society.
1733
01:15:31,393 --> 01:15:32,827
It's prophetic.
1734
01:15:32,828 --> 01:15:34,161
I think we made a joke
1735
01:15:34,162 --> 01:15:36,831
about human nature,
and politics, and society,
1736
01:15:36,832 --> 01:15:39,767
and we had, sort of, a snapshot
we created.
1737
01:15:39,768 --> 01:15:42,703
It's about the American tragedy,
1738
01:15:42,704 --> 01:15:45,541
and that's the legacy
of the classic.
1739
01:15:45,741 --> 01:15:48,176
The first glance,
it's about this.
1740
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:51,547
Second glance, it's about
something much more profound.
1741
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:57,151
Looking back on RoboCop,
1742
01:15:57,152 --> 01:16:00,789
what really sticks with me
is a lesson.
1743
01:16:01,156 --> 01:16:03,759
Time heals all pain.
1744
01:16:04,059 --> 01:16:06,060
The crew got thrown together
1745
01:16:06,061 --> 01:16:09,565
in this big cauldron
with this great story.
1746
01:16:09,965 --> 01:16:13,200
Ed Neumeier and Michael Miner,
the writers, were brilliant.
1747
01:16:13,201 --> 01:16:16,537
Add to that
a brilliant director.
1748
01:16:16,538 --> 01:16:18,406
RoboCop was a miracle.
1749
01:16:18,407 --> 01:16:21,709
It was the right people
at the right time
1750
01:16:21,710 --> 01:16:24,379
coming together
to make something different.
1751
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:26,647
I think what plays a part here
1752
01:16:26,648 --> 01:16:29,817
is my relying on intuition
and not knowing.
1753
01:16:29,818 --> 01:16:33,254
I think that RoboCop
is the best movie I made.
1754
01:16:33,255 --> 01:16:34,255
Drop it!
1755
01:16:38,727 --> 01:16:39,961
The '80s just happened
1756
01:16:39,962 --> 01:16:43,130
to be a time when Hollywood
had finally discovered
1757
01:16:43,131 --> 01:16:46,001
that they could make A movies
out of B movies,
1758
01:16:46,201 --> 01:16:48,269
and they just went wild with it.
1759
01:16:48,270 --> 01:16:50,138
Who are you?
1760
01:16:50,372 --> 01:16:51,405
Being in RoboCop
1761
01:16:51,406 --> 01:16:54,476
is like being
in a little time capsule,
1762
01:16:54,676 --> 01:16:56,477
just a super cool,
1763
01:16:56,478 --> 01:16:58,814
frozen-in-time
pop culture moment.
1764
01:17:00,015 --> 01:17:01,449
We get lucky,
1765
01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:04,118
and we get to work on a show
now and again that resonates
1766
01:17:04,119 --> 01:17:06,622
and has some relevance
beyond just the entertainment.
1767
01:17:06,855 --> 01:17:09,257
The Tigers are playing tonight.
1768
01:17:09,591 --> 01:17:11,926
I'm proud of the reaction
1769
01:17:11,927 --> 01:17:15,663
that I've had to my work
in RoboCop,
1770
01:17:15,664 --> 01:17:18,099
to know that you've had
an effect on people.
1771
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:19,100
It's pleasing to me.
1772
01:17:19,101 --> 01:17:21,268
Wow! I can't believe it.
1773
01:17:21,269 --> 01:17:25,474
It has made such an impact
on people for so long.
1774
01:17:27,409 --> 01:17:29,110
I think every
successive generation
1775
01:17:29,111 --> 01:17:30,412
discovers it for themselves,
1776
01:17:30,712 --> 01:17:33,648
and it becomes a whole new
thing all over again.
1777
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:35,149
The thing that has sustained it,
1778
01:17:35,150 --> 01:17:37,785
I think, through the years
is the fact
1779
01:17:37,786 --> 01:17:39,030
that there is a heart
and soul to it.
1780
01:17:39,054 --> 01:17:41,056
Murphy, it's you.
1781
01:17:41,423 --> 01:17:45,259
I also think there's a sort of
an optimism in it also,
1782
01:17:45,260 --> 01:17:47,828
which says
"We'll go on somehow, you know?
1783
01:17:47,829 --> 01:17:49,163
We'll bumble along.
1784
01:17:49,164 --> 01:17:51,466
And some people will be fools,
but somehow,
1785
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,367
right will prevail."
1786
01:17:53,368 --> 01:17:56,470
And in some ways,
RoboCop stands in for that.
1787
01:17:56,471 --> 01:17:58,005
Your move, creep.
1788
01:17:58,006 --> 01:17:59,608
He is that character
1789
01:17:59,808 --> 01:18:01,876
that will take us through,
that says,
1790
01:18:01,877 --> 01:18:05,881
"We can cope with these changes
of technology or politics."
1791
01:18:07,315 --> 01:18:09,183
I am proud
to have been part of it,
1792
01:18:09,184 --> 01:18:11,153
and it is unique,
and that's why it lives.
1793
01:18:11,486 --> 01:18:13,388
- Dead or alive...
- You are coming with me.
1794
01:18:13,622 --> 01:18:15,991
And there's a punch in the face
1795
01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:18,293
and the heart with RoboCop.
1796
01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:21,562
About your world now
that'll be resonant
1797
01:18:21,563 --> 01:18:23,464
for a long time to come.
1798
01:18:23,465 --> 01:18:26,568
Thank you for your cooperation.
Goodnight.
1799
01:18:26,618 --> 01:18:31,168
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