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This is surveillance
video showing Jáno Kuciak,
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the investigative reporter,
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and next to him is his
fiancée, Martina Kušnírová.
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Someone was following
their daily routines,
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especially focused on Jáno.
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And few months after this
surveillance was done,
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Jáno and Martina were murdered.
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“An attack on a journalist
is an attack on all of us.”
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Demonstration banner. Slovakia 2018.
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In my wildest dreams I didn't think
something like this could happen.
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I never thought it could happen
in Central Europe.
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Friday evening. Their cell phones
did not have power anymore.
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My son said, "Mom, do something.
Call Ján's family."
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And they were supposed to get married...
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- In May.
- May 5th, 2018 was the wedding date.
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We had lots of things prepared already...
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instead of a wedding we had a funeral.
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The Killing of a Journalist.
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We knew that the country is corrupted.
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Everyone somehow understood the government.
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Pavla Holcová, Investigative Journalist
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and the judges and the police,
there are corrupted people.
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Supreme Court, Constitutional
Court, courts in general,
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Michal Vašečka, Sociologist.
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Police, Prosecutor General
Office, etc., etc.,
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all these positions were
completely in the hands
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of this mafia type of system
that these oligarchs created.
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And the murder of Ján Kuciak
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and Martina Kušnírová
was the breaking point,
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when we realized, "Okay, now
they are ready even to kill."
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I believe 100% Marián
Kočner ordered the murder
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of Jáno Kuciak.
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But from what I've seen,
how the system works,
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I'm not convinced he
will end up convicted.
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From 1998 to 2006 Slovakia
was very slowly becoming a kind
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of a Central European economic tiger,
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which led Slovakia into the
European Union, into the NATO.
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Basically Slovakia became one
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of the most successful
transition countries.
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But the problem was
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that behind the curtain very
dirty things were happening.
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Oligarchs basically started
slowly but systematically
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to kidnap the country.
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And it somehow materialized
itself in the government
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of former Prime Minister Fico,
which came to power in 2006.
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We are talking about oligarchs
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who created political
parties, who were paying them,
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and who created, basically, their puppets.
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And oligarchs had such a power
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that they even had the
chance to create the illusion
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of a well-functioning liberal democracy.
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And in 2018, when Kuciak was murdered,
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we discovered that there is no bottom.
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There are different types of journalism.
I thought since he played sports -
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Jozef Kuciak and Jana Kuciaková,
Ján's Parents
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he would be interested in that.
But he was captivated by investigations.
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I kept warning them. Be careful.
Stop... write about sports instead.
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Zlata Kušnirová, Martina's Mother.
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"You write about bad people
and I'm worried about you," I told Ján.
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We always make
fun of the police question,
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"Did he have any enemies?"
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Because if you are an
investigative journalist,
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you know, the list of
enemies is like excel sheet,
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a couple of pages.
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Ján was working on a lot
of topics, including Kočner,
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Mr. Bödör, Slovak oligarchs,
Prime Minister Robert Fico.
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Ján was dangerous to them...
to those white-collar mobsters who -
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operate in Slovakia from top to bottom.
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His knowledge was kind of a special
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and really in depth into the money flows,
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so not many people could
actually understand
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what he's talking about.
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VAT fraud, illegal money
flows, tax evasion.
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He never studied economy or accountancy,
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but still he was very good at it.
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He really could see the
story in the numbers.
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He was probably the first one
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who really exposed the
illegal financial flows
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of Marián Kočner.
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Thank you. Next question.
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Jan Kuciak, Aktuality.sk.
I want to follow up...
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Marián Kočner was involved
in every political scandal
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in Slovakia of last 20 years.
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From the end of the '90s,
Mr. Kočner was well-known
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for being very cynical,
arrogant and threatening.
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He was ready to threaten people
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in a way which was typical for the '90s.
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But he was becoming more
and more visible, you know,
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he was sticking to those
habits even in times
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when Slovakia became part
of the European Union.
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As we say, mafia guys
started to wear nice ties,
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and they started to use fork and a knife,
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and they were becoming,
as we say, civilized.
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But Kočner sticked to his habits.
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Mrs. Tódová, this is my press conference -
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and I will talk about what I want.
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This is not a conspiracy, Mrs Tódová...
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Good morning, Mr. Kočner!
Will you be at the court hearing today?
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What do you think I'm here for?
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- Would you tell us...
- Quite a stupid question, no offense...
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Can you tell us about
the promissory notes?
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He was dangerous.
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He was scary.
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Monika Tódová. Investigative Journalist,
Dennik N.
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You don't want to meet
him, to talk with him.
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It was not like a nice conversation.
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It was always ugly.
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If you write the truth you will learn.
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When this is over,
I'll make a presser -
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and you won't be able
to twist my words as usual.
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You will learn the whole truth.
It'll be a live presser.
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Alright? Until then, nothing.
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Mr. Kočner built some kind
of a career on VAT frauds.
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And he was, for a really
long time, untouchable.
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The last time I saw Jáno
was probably in Bratislava
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in their editorial office, in Aktuality.
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We've been working on a
story that actually connected
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by then Slovak Prime
Minister, Robert Fico,
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to the most powerful
Italian mafia, N'Drangheta.
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Peter Bárdy.
Editor-in-chief, Aktuality. sk.
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So it was the first time
when we connected the mafia
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with high-level politicians.
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Due to the fact that the victims
did not contact their families -
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the investigation started
on February 25th.
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It was Sunday. Night time.
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Two bodies lay
on the floor of the home.
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Peter Juhás, Lead Police Investigator.
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My superiors assigned me
to investigate the case.
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The house is an older,
three-room family home -
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that was under reconstruction
at the time of the act.
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The reconstruction
was carried out by Ján Kuciak.
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Ján Kuciak's body
was located in the basement -
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situated on the stairs to the cellar.
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The body was in a crouched position.
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Ján Kuciak was facing the stairs.
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There were gunshot wounds to his chest.
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As for the deceased Martina Kušnírová,
her body was in the kitchen.
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She was lying with
her head in a pool of blood.
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We found unfinished cups
of coffee and tea.
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Based on this,
we believe the victims -
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were enjoying coffee
together that evening.
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There were open laptops
on the table.
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Specifically, Martina Kušnírová
was looking at wedding dresses.
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It was Monday, 6:30, about 6:30,
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and my deputy called
me that in the village
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of Veľká Mača the police found
two bodies of killed people.
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And Prime Minister of
Internal Affairs, Mr. Kaliňák,
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called me and he said that Ján
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and his fiancée were killed, so...
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You know.
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I think we all do feel responsible
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that we could do more to protect him.
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Tibor Gašpar, President of the Police.
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Allow me to express my deepest condolences
to the relatives of the victims -
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of this severe crime.
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And also to all of you
who worked with him.
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And to the whole
journalistic community.
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Also allow me to
strictly condemn this crime, because -
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even though we experience
severe crimes -
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Slovakia has not yet experienced
the murder of a journalist -
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probably motivated
by his investigative journalism.
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[Monica Tódová]: Mr. Gašpar, you said
you would do everything to solve it.
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Why didn't the police do
everything they could to prevent it?
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Ján Kuciak wrote mostly about
VAT scammers and tax frauds -
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and we've been asking you
about the same people for years now.
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About suspicions of tax frauds,
and these people are still free.
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It ended with Ján being dead today.
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With all due respect,
I'm not having a discussion -
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whether the police
did or didn't do something.
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That is not appropriate.
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I'll be glad to discuss it
with you in the future.
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We report on tax frauds -
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but you don't investigate,
so journalists write about it.
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Journalists wouldn't write
so much if you did your job.
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I will not lead
such a discussion with you today.
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I don't understand why
we are searching for links -
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that are probably not related.
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You said that it's related to his work...
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Feel free to ask another question.
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Ján was threatened by Mr. Kočner.
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He threatened him
with obtaining information on his family.
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How did you process that?
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Everything is subject to investigation...
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But how did you resolve that?
It's known he was threatened.
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Once again, If I'd had this information
I'd give the answer.
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No need to discuss,
Ján Kuciak himself wrote -
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that he filed a complaint
and the police ignored it.
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If you feel you are working
on something that could endanger you -
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let's communicate about it.
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- Mr. Gašpar...
- But we don't trust you!
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This wasn't even happening in the 90s.
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Although there was some intimidation,
vandalism, physical attacks...
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Should journalists be afraid that -
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the 90s are back in a worse version?
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I won't give you an answer...
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It may sound a little weird after this,
but we are not living in a mafia state.
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Thank you for your attention.
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The Political Fallout.
Five days after the murder
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Robert Kaliñák, Minister of the Interior.
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All our teams are deployed
to find as much evidence as possible.
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If the journalist's work
was really the motive -
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Robert Fico, Prime Minister
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I consider it a severe attack
on democracy and freedom of press.
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Thank you very much.
We're going back to work.
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Igor Matovič, Leader of the Opposition.
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As we stand here we ask -
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the Police President, Tibor Gašpar,
and Minister of Interior, Robert Kaliňák -
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to immediately resign.
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These people are in
a conflict of interest -
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because Ján Kuciak was writing about
them, their missteps and their families.
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What the opposition
is doing today is absurd.
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I have never seen such abuse
of a murder for political purposes.
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But of course this is the opposition.
We're used to it.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
in front of me lies a million euros.
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This reward is intended for a person -
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who if he has information,
gains the courage -
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and comes to the police
or provides information about this crime.
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A million euro on the
table was really funny.
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And, I mean, we were
laughing, we were horrified,
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but at the same time we were laughing.
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I believe that Robert Fico
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at that time underestimated Slovaks
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and he somehow didn't
understand the cultural coat
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of this country.
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So the Prime Minister with the Minister
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of Interior actually looked
like two corrupted guys,
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you know, two mafia guys, and
nobody actually believed them.
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Seven days after the murder.
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What's he thinking? Slovaks are idiots?
They'll let a million euros fool them?
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It's exactly the type of dirty money
that Ján Kuciak wrote about.
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Tibor Gašpar and Robert Kaliňák
turned a blind eye -
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and covered for Robert Fico.
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Ján Kuciak wrote about it.
Did the police's job -
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and paid with his life
alongside his fiancée.
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At the time of Ján's
murder, the investigation Ján
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and I were working on
was still not published.
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Eight days after the murder
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I thought that the story
can be somehow connected
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to the murder so we decided to
publish as soon as possible,
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even though it was not finished.
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"Italian mafia in Slovakia.
Its tentacles reach into politics."
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We found out that.
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Prime Minister Robert
Fico hired this model,
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actually a topless model,
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to be his special Supreme State Counselor.
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And we found out
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that this very young girl
was a business partner
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of 'Ndrangheta members, the
most powerful Italian mafia.
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"SUPREME STATE COUNSELOR"
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First Major Demonstration.
Nine days after the murder.
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"AN ATTACK ON A JOURNALIST =
AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US"
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Demonstrations take
place across the country.
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I am proud of my colleagues
in journalism -
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who have understood
Ján's message -
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and are brave and
determined to carry on with it.
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However, even the
bravest journalists -
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are no redeemers
of democracy alone.
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MAFIA GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!
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They need you: the public,
the readers, listeners and viewers -
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who are
not indifferent about corruption -
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Martin M. Šimečka, Journalist
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that is devouring
our democracy -
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and attacking our liberty.
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"Open the gate" "Open the gate."
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"We don't want Fico!"
"We don't want Fico!"
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Andrej Kiska, President of Slovakia.
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Today, the mistrust of the people
towards the state is enormous.
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Many don't trust
law enforcement.
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And this mistrust has its reasons.
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We have reached a moment
when we sense an arrogance of power.
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"WITH THEIR BLOOD"
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I spoke personally to
Prime Minister Robert Fico.
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Unfortunately, I learned that
our opinions about possible solutions -
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were and still are very different.
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Something evil is under the surface.
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Something evil is in the
very fundamentals of our state.
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Today, I want to ask
Mr. President a simple question.
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September 20, 2017.
New York. Fifth Avenue.
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I'm asking why did
the President of the Slovak Republic -
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meet privately with a person
with a very suspicious name -
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Mr. Soros.
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I'm asking... I'm asking...
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- You can laugh as much as you want.
- This is ridiculous!
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- I'm asking...
- You are ridiculous!
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- Gentlemen, please.
- I'm asking...
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What happened after the murder
of the journalist and his girlfriend -
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indicates there is an attempt
to totally destabilize this state.
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Thank you very much.
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What about questions?
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- Why can't we ask questions?
- Because he's afraid.
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Second Major Demonstration.
16 days after the murder.
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"No more Fico!" "No more Fico!"
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I've decided -
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as Vice Prime Minister
and Minister of Interior -
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to resign.
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That anger was so widespread
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that at a certain moment former
prime minister understood
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that he has to do something.
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Someone started to dance
on the grave of two young dead people -
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and attempted to exploit this
gruesome murder as a political weapon.
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My decision to resign
is an independent one.
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And the only aim of this decision is
to prevent chaos and secure stability.
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He stepped down and he placed kind
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of a fake prime minister
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who he believed he would be manipulating
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to the position of prime minister.
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Gašpar played an important role
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in this mafia state,
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and those protesting
demanded his resignation.
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I don't think the protests represent
the opinion of the whole society.
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That means,
if you were expecting me to resign today -
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I will not. I will fight
this struggle to the end.
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Kuciak was murdered under your watch...
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Yes, but if we agree
things weren't supervised well...
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Are you asking
the general prosecutor to leave?
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Did I hear such a
demand from someone?
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And he has more responsibility than I do.
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Have you ever asked such a question?
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Considering the
current state of affairs -
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and the need to
stabilize the situation -
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Peter Pellegrini. Newly
appointed Prime Minister
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and protect the police
from attacks by the media -
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and its activities being questioned.
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Me and the Police President,
General Gašpar, agreed that -
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he will resign from his position as
Police President.
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So, I thank everybody one more time and...
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what to say?
I guess I'll see you next time. Goodbye.
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I don't think it is a coincidence
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that shortly after the resignation
of the police president,
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Marián Kočner was brought into court
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for one of the frauds exposed by Jáno.
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Mr. Kočner,
can you give a statement?
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What decision do you expect?
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Gentlemen, after the hearing.
Excuse me.
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We will give statements
after the court hearing.
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Did you hear the lawyer?
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- Won't you comment at all?
- Nothing.
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I'm not sure Kočner realized
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something had changed.
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There is no connection to the
murder, but Kočner was taken
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into pre-trial detention
for the financial fraud.
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We ask you to commemorate Ján
and Martina with one minute of silence.
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With the police
president gone and Kočner in jail,
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I think Slovaks started
to trust the investigators
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and the investigation into the
murder of Jáno and Martina.
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I can honestly tell you
that the camera footage -
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is 16 terabytes of data -
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which converts to thousands
of hours of recordings -
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that were seized in the investigation.
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From the CCTV footage, we were
able to identify two relevant persons -
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of which one appeared on camera
at the time the act was committed.
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February 21st at 8:21PM.
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The shooting itself was carried
out in utmost discretion and silence.
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Based on the time data,
we were able to identify a vehicle -
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that behaved in a way that supported
our hypothesis of two perpetrators.
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One being the shooter
and the other being the driver.
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00:27:45,328 --> 00:27:53,207
Once we had this vehicle, we performed
a more elaborate examination -
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and we were able to specify some
of the characteristics of the vehicle.
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00:28:04,927 --> 00:28:07,527
We narrowed -
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the set of possible vehicles
that could take part in the crime -
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to about 3000 vehicles -
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which we checked individually.
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We had operatives walking around
neighborhoods day and night.
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People may not even know
their vehicles were inspected.
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We also collected a massive amount
of telecommunications data.
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00:28:41,326 --> 00:28:48,846
We documented so-called
burner phones and burner SIM cards.
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00:28:49,006 --> 00:28:52,166
We were able to identify -
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a transmission between
two burner SIM cards.
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In the next stage of the investigation,
we were able to connect -
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one of these burner SIM cards -
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to a specific person
who was already -
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connected to the assassination
of a businessman in 2016.
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We checked this person and in
the set of 3000 potential vehicles -
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we found that
his father owned one of them.
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And then we took operational steps
to investigate this person-
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including wiretapping.
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00:29:49,124 --> 00:29:54,124
We were able to use
telecommunications data -
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to subsequently identify
a second person -
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who was using the
other burner phone.
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00:30:08,044 --> 00:30:16,044
And we also identified
one more person, the middleman.
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00:30:19,193 --> 00:30:21,860
The Raids. Seven months after the murder.
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Police, police!
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Come on, come on!
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Come with us!
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Put your hands...!
Put your hands...!
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Don't move! Come down! Come down!
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00:31:10,482 --> 00:31:12,642
Tomáš Szabó, the driver.
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00:31:14,842 --> 00:31:19,002
Tomáš Szabó is a former
police investigator.
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00:31:20,362 --> 00:31:25,242
And because Tomáš Szabó needed
someone to commit the crime
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00:31:25,322 --> 00:31:31,242
with him, he asked his
cousin, Miroslav Marček.
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00:31:31,922 --> 00:31:34,562
Miroslav Marček is a former soldier
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who made money by being a
guard on the ships close
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00:31:40,321 --> 00:31:44,921
to Somalia, to prevent the
ships from pirate attacks.
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He was the one who pulled the trigger
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and shot both Jáno and Martina.
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00:32:07,361 --> 00:32:10,669
This is the room
Ján and I shared growing up.
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00:32:10,694 --> 00:32:12,264
Jozef Kuciak, Ján's Brother.
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00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:14,644
It's changed a bit.
When we were kids -
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the beds were separated
with a table in between.
400
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,240
This was my table by the window
and this was Ján's.
401
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,240
We did homework over there
on the computer in the evenings.
402
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:31,640
The room was divided by posters,
on one side there were his...
403
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Manchester.
And the bands he liked.
404
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280
On the other side were mine.
405
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,480
In the middle
we put posters that united us.
406
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Here are the artists
from every genre.
407
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,040
It was like
the connection of the two walls.
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00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,079
Every mom worries about her children.
409
00:32:59,439 --> 00:33:02,999
I was scared.
When she was 15 years old -
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00:33:03,439 --> 00:33:10,399
my husband died. And she got a summer
job at the lake without my permission.
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00:33:10,639 --> 00:33:14,439
And all sorts of
mobsters went there, and -
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00:33:14,679 --> 00:33:17,839
the manager liked her
because she wasn't afraid.
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00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:19,599
The other girls, when those men -
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00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:24,199
pissed under the tables,
the other girls left -
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00:33:24,479 --> 00:33:30,519
but she scolded them and
gave them a mop to clean it up.
416
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:35,119
She would stand up for herself,
in spite of everything.
417
00:33:51,838 --> 00:33:58,798
Of course they wanted a family. Martina
joked about a big family and many animals.
418
00:33:59,118 --> 00:34:03,678
And she bickered with Ján whether
the animals would stay outside or inside.
419
00:34:03,918 --> 00:34:07,478
She wanted them to stay inside.
420
00:34:08,118 --> 00:34:11,758
It was cute, how they used to bicker.
421
00:34:12,238 --> 00:34:16,277
She had it all planned out,
where the cats and dogs will stay.
422
00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:20,917
- And they were supposed to get married...
- In May.
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00:34:21,157 --> 00:34:23,157
May 2018.
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00:34:35,797 --> 00:34:38,957
Should we be talking?
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00:34:41,437 --> 00:34:43,437
Shall I make a concert for you?
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00:34:44,589 --> 00:34:47,917
Roman Kvasnica,
Lawyer representing Martina's family.
427
00:34:54,996 --> 00:35:02,996
I personally met Mrs Kušnírová
after the murder in May, 2018.
428
00:35:09,515 --> 00:35:11,932
Daniel Lipšic,
Lawyer representing Ján's family
429
00:35:11,956 --> 00:35:13,956
I remember, after meeting the parents
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00:35:14,036 --> 00:35:16,556
and the siblings of Ján Kuciak,
431
00:35:16,636 --> 00:35:18,916
it was still winter when I came out
432
00:35:18,996 --> 00:35:20,716
and went to my car, it started snowing
433
00:35:20,796 --> 00:35:27,956
and it was a very strong
emotional meeting for me.
434
00:35:28,036 --> 00:35:30,796
We are on the side of prosecution
435
00:35:30,876 --> 00:35:33,715
and so the injured party is entitled
436
00:35:33,795 --> 00:35:35,715
to have legal representation.
437
00:35:35,795 --> 00:35:38,995
I think there were some very
good investigators involved
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00:35:39,075 --> 00:35:41,915
in the case and very
good prosecutors as well.
439
00:35:41,995 --> 00:35:44,795
And it led to results.
440
00:35:47,835 --> 00:35:49,555
The first to cooperate
441
00:35:49,635 --> 00:35:52,995
with law enforcement was Zoltán Andruskó.
442
00:35:53,075 --> 00:35:58,035
Zoltán Andruskó
was pizzeria owner.
443
00:35:58,115 --> 00:36:01,835
And he knew Szabó and
Marček and approached them
444
00:36:01,915 --> 00:36:06,275
with this offer to murder Ján Kuciak
445
00:36:06,355 --> 00:36:08,555
for a certain sum of money.
446
00:36:08,635 --> 00:36:12,394
He started cooperating
right after their arrest
447
00:36:12,474 --> 00:36:15,114
in late September 2018.
448
00:36:15,194 --> 00:36:20,794
And he was able to
point to Alena Zsuzsová,
449
00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:25,554
who was detained 24 hours after him.
450
00:36:27,354 --> 00:36:30,274
Because he was hired by Alena Zsuzsová
451
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:33,714
to actually take the deal.
452
00:36:36,154 --> 00:36:38,314
She was a mystery.
453
00:36:38,674 --> 00:36:41,394
Really long black hair.
454
00:36:41,994 --> 00:36:45,954
And she was kind of hiding.
455
00:36:54,673 --> 00:36:59,873
Alena Zsuzsová connects
us to Marián Kočner.
456
00:37:02,513 --> 00:37:05,313
She got this request for murder
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00:37:05,393 --> 00:37:08,553
of Ján Kuciak from Marián Kočner.
458
00:37:08,633 --> 00:37:11,193
None of the other
defendants had any motive.
459
00:37:11,273 --> 00:37:16,633
The only person that had a
motive was Marián Kočner.
460
00:37:16,713 --> 00:37:20,673
And the motive was that Ján
Kuciak wrote extensively
461
00:37:20,753 --> 00:37:25,033
about his economic criminal activity.
462
00:37:25,113 --> 00:37:31,192
I started watching their communication
at a press conference made by Mr Kočner.
463
00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:33,992
I think sometime in 2017.
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00:37:34,472 --> 00:37:39,552
Ján Kuciak, Aktuality.
I want to follow up...
465
00:37:40,432 --> 00:37:46,512
And there I saw that Ján Kuciak
asked questions that completely pushed -
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00:37:46,632 --> 00:37:51,072
figuratively speaking, Kočner into the
corner, he could not answer his questions.
467
00:37:51,632 --> 00:37:57,752
I saw that Ján Kuciak had secured
information about his possible VAT fraud.
468
00:37:59,672 --> 00:38:05,072
And that irritated him.
And could have been the reason -
469
00:38:05,432 --> 00:38:10,631
why Marián Kočner might
want to get rid of this young boy.
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00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:15,231
- What's your relation to...
- You've asked enough questions...
471
00:38:15,311 --> 00:38:17,431
You've asked three, thank you.
472
00:38:17,871 --> 00:38:19,111
Please next.
473
00:38:19,711 --> 00:38:22,311
Kočner hated Ján Kuciak.
474
00:38:22,391 --> 00:38:27,311
He had to hate him because
Ján was the only real enemy
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00:38:27,391 --> 00:38:30,631
of Kočner's activities.
476
00:38:31,391 --> 00:38:33,671
What suspicions do you
have about my business?
477
00:38:33,791 --> 00:38:37,271
Well, you're accused
of economic crimes.
478
00:38:37,351 --> 00:38:38,751
- Mr. Kuciak.
- Yes?
479
00:38:38,911 --> 00:38:43,231
You're not a journalist,
you're just a hired hack.
480
00:38:43,311 --> 00:38:45,870
You're far from being a journalist.
481
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:48,390
Can I say something?
482
00:38:48,510 --> 00:38:51,070
Yes, Mr. Kuciak. I'm listening.
483
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:55,550
Everything I've written,
whether about you or not -
484
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:57,390
is based on public records.
485
00:38:57,510 --> 00:39:00,670
Be sure that I'll give you -
486
00:39:00,790 --> 00:39:04,390
my special attention.
To you personally, Mr. Kuciak.
487
00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:07,350
- Is this a threat?
- No, why?
488
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:09,350
I don't know why
you're saying that.
489
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:14,590
I'm telling you calmly
I'll pay special attention to you -
490
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:18,470
you personally, your mother,
your father and your siblings.
491
00:39:18,590 --> 00:39:25,309
As soon as I find any dirt.
Any missteps -
492
00:39:25,469 --> 00:39:27,869
on you, or anyone in your family -
493
00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:31,629
I will publish it
in the same way as you do.
494
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:36,229
- I hope I won't be there.
- Believe me, you will. Goodbye.
495
00:39:40,909 --> 00:39:44,669
I think we just
underestimated the situation
496
00:39:44,749 --> 00:39:47,349
and the power of Kočner.
497
00:39:47,429 --> 00:39:51,229
And, you know, he...
498
00:39:51,709 --> 00:39:53,269
After the call with Kočner,
499
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:58,189
when Kočner was threatening
him, he called me.
500
00:39:59,869 --> 00:40:02,068
And we just made fun
of it, you know, like,
501
00:40:02,908 --> 00:40:05,108
"Ha ha ha, he's going
to collect dirt on you,
502
00:40:05,188 --> 00:40:07,668
that's impossible."
503
00:40:09,588 --> 00:40:14,588
I should've probably evaluated it better.
504
00:40:14,668 --> 00:40:21,588
Kočner, he's for me
something like a concentration
505
00:40:21,668 --> 00:40:25,148
of all bad things in the society.
506
00:40:26,828 --> 00:40:29,148
I hate him, you know.
507
00:40:32,228 --> 00:40:36,948
The breakthrough in the
investigation was Peter Tóth.
508
00:40:37,007 --> 00:40:41,827
He was Kočner's confidant
and kind of right-hand man
509
00:40:41,907 --> 00:40:45,425
for many kinds of dirty
jobs for many years.
510
00:40:45,450 --> 00:40:47,043
Peter Tóth,
Former Information Service Officer
511
00:40:47,067 --> 00:40:52,067
Peter Tóth said he started to
believe Kočner was involved
512
00:40:52,227 --> 00:40:55,107
in the murder after the arrest of Zsuzsová
513
00:40:55,187 --> 00:40:58,307
and he wanted to come clean.
514
00:40:58,907 --> 00:41:02,707
So what Tóth did was he packed a car
515
00:41:02,787 --> 00:41:06,387
with the evidence Kočner
wanted him to keep safe
516
00:41:06,467 --> 00:41:09,387
and he brought it to the police,
517
00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:13,027
including two of Kočner's iPhones.
518
00:41:13,107 --> 00:41:16,387
This led police to search Kočner's home
519
00:41:16,467 --> 00:41:20,106
while he was still detained
for the financial fraud.
520
00:41:50,986 --> 00:41:54,186
The police discovered a
key piece of evidence.
521
00:41:54,266 --> 00:42:00,145
It was hidden in the safe
room, and it was a USB key.
522
00:42:00,225 --> 00:42:03,185
And it really helped the investigators
523
00:42:03,265 --> 00:42:07,905
to charge Marián Kočner with
ordering the murder of Ján.
524
00:42:31,799 --> 00:42:33,560
Marek Para, Marián Kočner's defense lawyer.
525
00:42:33,585 --> 00:42:34,905
May I have sunglasses?
526
00:42:34,985 --> 00:42:36,225
[Filmmaker] Oh, yeah.
527
00:42:36,305 --> 00:42:37,544
It's OK?
528
00:42:44,304 --> 00:42:46,624
Everybody has enough space?
529
00:42:50,624 --> 00:42:52,464
Uh, social life?
530
00:42:53,224 --> 00:42:54,544
Off-the-record.
531
00:42:54,624 --> 00:43:01,104
My social life ended about June 2018.
532
00:43:01,184 --> 00:43:03,264
You have to keep your secrets.
533
00:43:04,104 --> 00:43:07,624
And you cannot trust even other lawyers,
534
00:43:08,184 --> 00:43:12,944
'cause a friend today
can be an enemy tomorrow.
535
00:43:13,944 --> 00:43:16,503
I do not trust people as before.
536
00:43:16,583 --> 00:43:22,303
And it's also a problem when
you go to a lunch or a coffee
537
00:43:22,383 --> 00:43:24,503
and everybody wants to talk about it.
538
00:43:24,583 --> 00:43:27,703
The society and the people
539
00:43:30,503 --> 00:43:35,583
see you as a very close
person to Mr. Kočner.
540
00:43:38,623 --> 00:43:40,039
[Filmmaker] Can we
go back on the record?
541
00:43:40,063 --> 00:43:41,703
Yes, you can use what you want.
542
00:43:42,783 --> 00:43:43,703
From the beginnings
543
00:43:43,783 --> 00:43:47,423
in this case I considered
every possibility.
544
00:43:47,503 --> 00:43:50,663
I spent hours and hours
studying the case file,
545
00:43:50,743 --> 00:43:54,022
talking with my client and...
546
00:43:54,822 --> 00:43:57,302
I wanted really to find out the truth.
547
00:43:57,382 --> 00:43:59,342
Step by step, more and more,
548
00:43:59,422 --> 00:44:01,702
when I could study the case file,
549
00:44:01,782 --> 00:44:04,542
I was convinced that he is...
550
00:44:05,382 --> 00:44:07,262
That he's innocent.
551
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,889
“Please be available...” Unknown Number.
552
00:44:30,913 --> 00:44:33,941
At the beginning of October, 2019,
553
00:44:34,014 --> 00:44:38,054
I was on my way to the office,
and I received a message,
554
00:44:38,141 --> 00:44:41,461
something like, "Please be available."
555
00:44:41,821 --> 00:44:48,701
And then I received a call offering
me and explaining me that...
556
00:44:49,621 --> 00:44:52,021
"We want to give you a copy
557
00:44:52,101 --> 00:44:57,501
of the police investigation
file with all the annexes."
558
00:44:58,301 --> 00:45:00,341
70 terabytes.
559
00:45:00,421 --> 00:45:02,821
Seven zero.
560
00:45:03,581 --> 00:45:06,861
It wasn't just the murder case police file
561
00:45:06,941 --> 00:45:11,540
that was so exciting, it's an
exact copy of the cell phones
562
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:15,700
of Marián Kočner and his computers.
563
00:45:15,780 --> 00:45:20,060
I asked the source for the
motivation of giving me the data,
564
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:21,980
and the explanation convinced me
565
00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:25,260
because it was before elections,
566
00:45:25,340 --> 00:45:29,220
and if the recent ruling
party will win the election,
567
00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:33,860
everyone who even touched the
data is going to be damned.
568
00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:38,580
The source was afraid that
the data would disappear,
569
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:43,660
so we would like to have
it abroad, out of Slovakia.
570
00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:46,420
And there was like this ego in me, like,
571
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:50,419
"Yeah, I'm going to publish
excellent stories from this data
572
00:45:50,499 --> 00:45:52,779
and I'm going to be the only one."
573
00:45:52,859 --> 00:45:59,219
But then I decided I'm not
going to do it this way.
574
00:45:59,299 --> 00:46:02,539
We had this idea that we
needed to create a team
575
00:46:02,619 --> 00:46:06,819
that would trust each other
and would cover all kinds
576
00:46:06,899 --> 00:46:10,499
of media, you know,
dailies, weeklies, TVs,
577
00:46:10,579 --> 00:46:14,619
to get full access to the data.
578
00:46:14,939 --> 00:46:17,299
So we came with the idea
579
00:46:17,379 --> 00:46:23,419
that we will have one super
secure room in Bratislava.
580
00:46:23,699 --> 00:46:25,619
There won't be the data,
581
00:46:25,699 --> 00:46:29,298
but there will be computers
specially designed
582
00:46:29,378 --> 00:46:31,818
to access the server.
583
00:46:32,858 --> 00:46:36,098
And we are not going to tell
anyone where is the server,
584
00:46:36,178 --> 00:46:40,578
not to be able to attack it,
to steal it, to take it down.
585
00:46:41,738 --> 00:46:44,418
We called it, well, we didn't call it,
586
00:46:44,498 --> 00:46:47,898
it got a nickname, "Kočner's Library."
587
00:46:50,610 --> 00:46:53,764
Kočner's Library is
basically this small room.
588
00:46:53,789 --> 00:46:55,357
Júlia Zelenková. Journalist, TV JOJ.
589
00:46:55,381 --> 00:46:56,901
It's without any daylight.
590
00:46:56,926 --> 00:46:58,326
It's white and gray.
591
00:46:58,351 --> 00:46:59,404
It's ugly.
592
00:46:59,429 --> 00:47:03,593
But the benefit is you can
more concentrate on your work.
593
00:47:03,618 --> 00:47:05,898
We didn't know what we
are going to find there,
594
00:47:05,978 --> 00:47:12,217
but this data could lead us
to new cases of corruption
595
00:47:12,297 --> 00:47:16,497
that could totally shake Slovakia.
596
00:47:16,577 --> 00:47:19,577
Here are the devices
from Miroslav Marček,
597
00:47:19,657 --> 00:47:21,537
which is the shooter.
598
00:47:22,657 --> 00:47:25,937
Tomáš Szabó, which was the driver.
599
00:47:28,217 --> 00:47:30,887
And we have Zolton Andruskó,
which was the middleman, basically.
600
00:47:30,912 --> 00:47:32,434
Peter Sabo. Journalist, Aktuality. sk.
601
00:47:32,459 --> 00:47:34,821
And, yeah, we have also Alena Zsuzsová.
602
00:47:34,921 --> 00:47:39,521
As you can see, we have SIM
cards, tablets, computers,
603
00:47:39,617 --> 00:47:44,057
and also other people that
has been somehow investigated.
604
00:47:44,137 --> 00:47:47,976
There are two most important devices
605
00:47:48,056 --> 00:47:53,176
that so far revealed the
inner-life of Marián Kočner,
606
00:47:53,256 --> 00:47:58,296
and those are two iPhones: K1 and K2.
607
00:47:58,936 --> 00:48:02,296
These are all the
messages from the phone.
608
00:48:02,376 --> 00:48:07,536
It comes really back to
the year 2012 up to 2018,
609
00:48:07,616 --> 00:48:11,136
so it's six years worth of communication.
610
00:48:11,216 --> 00:48:14,576
Tens of thousands of messages.
611
00:48:15,016 --> 00:48:19,136
It's basically a reflection
of his virtual life.
612
00:48:19,216 --> 00:48:21,056
The inner life of Marián Kočner
613
00:48:21,136 --> 00:48:25,375
and how actually he was
ruling Slovakia in a way.
614
00:48:26,895 --> 00:48:31,375
We knew that the country is corrupted.
615
00:48:31,455 --> 00:48:36,415
Now, after obtaining
those data, we could prove
616
00:48:36,495 --> 00:48:39,015
the justice system failed,
617
00:48:39,095 --> 00:48:41,335
we could prove the police is corrupted,
618
00:48:41,415 --> 00:48:43,375
the judges are corrupted,
619
00:48:43,455 --> 00:48:49,095
the general prosecutor was
a personal friend of someone
620
00:48:49,175 --> 00:48:53,055
who ordered assassination of a journalist.
621
00:48:53,135 --> 00:48:55,655
It was all there.
622
00:48:58,084 --> 00:49:01,476
The Assassin's Confession.
14 months after the murder.
623
00:49:11,374 --> 00:49:14,894
By the time we arrived,
it was already dark.
624
00:49:18,614 --> 00:49:23,894
He dropped me off
near the apartment building.
625
00:49:25,414 --> 00:49:31,014
On the left was an empty playing field.
626
00:49:32,574 --> 00:49:36,894
I had the gun. It was a 9mm Luger.
627
00:49:40,014 --> 00:49:43,253
As I was walking along the field -
628
00:49:46,013 --> 00:49:48,373
along the pub or whatever it is -
629
00:49:48,493 --> 00:49:54,813
- Bar?
- Bar or something. Its lights were on.
630
00:50:08,093 --> 00:50:11,333
Behind the building,
the pavement finished.
631
00:50:14,413 --> 00:50:17,653
And there was a dirt path
with the grass trodden down.
632
00:50:18,853 --> 00:50:22,092
And this led to a hole in the fence.
633
00:50:25,292 --> 00:50:29,452
Through the hole I emerged on a path.
634
00:50:36,252 --> 00:50:38,612
This entire walk could have taken -
635
00:50:39,932 --> 00:50:42,732
five or six minutes.
636
00:50:59,451 --> 00:51:03,171
There was nobody home.
637
00:51:06,691 --> 00:51:10,491
I walked into the yard,
the gate was unlocked.
638
00:51:12,451 --> 00:51:20,451
I waited in the garden shed
or whatever it's called, the annex.
639
00:51:25,651 --> 00:51:30,851
I was waiting for quite a long time,
about an hour and a half, until -
640
00:51:32,091 --> 00:51:33,931
they got back home.
641
00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:39,090
I could see two people,
he was there with his girlfriend.
642
00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:42,810
I didn't leave the annex.
643
00:51:42,930 --> 00:51:44,890
Not until -
644
00:51:45,010 --> 00:51:49,690
his girlfriend went to the toilet.
That's when I decided to act.
645
00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:07,370
Boom! That was the first shot.
646
00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:10,330
OK. Do the experts have questions?
647
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:13,450
- We could measure the height.
- We measure the height, OK?
648
00:52:14,170 --> 00:52:16,170
We can stop recording.
649
00:52:16,370 --> 00:52:20,209
He hit the wall with his back.
650
00:52:20,409 --> 00:52:24,009
He fell to the ground.
I was already focused on the woman...
651
00:52:24,409 --> 00:52:27,329
- Which wall do you mean?
- Over there.
652
00:52:27,489 --> 00:52:29,729
One second, please.
653
00:52:32,009 --> 00:52:34,569
Get down on your knees.
654
00:52:35,129 --> 00:52:38,129
I don't know where his hands were.
Not in front of him for sure.
655
00:52:38,249 --> 00:52:39,649
Put them under you.
656
00:52:39,769 --> 00:52:43,689
Or beside you.
But his legs were bent, not straight.
657
00:52:44,129 --> 00:52:46,489
- Like a frog.
- Like this?
658
00:52:46,609 --> 00:52:48,849
- No, his knees were higher.
- Higher?
659
00:52:48,969 --> 00:52:51,809
- His knees were under him.
- Like this?
660
00:52:52,369 --> 00:52:54,849
Yes, like this.
661
00:52:55,248 --> 00:52:58,208
I went on...
662
00:53:01,328 --> 00:53:05,808
Perhaps right here
I cocked it once or twice.
663
00:53:08,048 --> 00:53:11,368
Was the shot aimed for the head?
664
00:53:11,648 --> 00:53:16,688
The head. I aimed with the suppressor.
665
00:53:16,928 --> 00:53:20,168
Was the hand straight or beside the body?
666
00:53:21,728 --> 00:53:23,048
At this position, maybe.
667
00:53:23,168 --> 00:53:25,008
- Aimed at the head?
- Aimed at the head.
668
00:53:26,288 --> 00:53:30,608
The victim fell to her knees.
And she fell back.
669
00:53:30,928 --> 00:53:33,408
- Like this?
- Something like that.
670
00:53:33,528 --> 00:53:36,087
- Where were her hands and feet?
- I don't know that.
671
00:53:36,327 --> 00:53:39,247
Did she react to the shot?
672
00:53:39,527 --> 00:53:42,407
She didn't react at all.
I saw her being hit.
673
00:53:42,767 --> 00:53:44,767
Where to?
674
00:53:45,047 --> 00:53:46,967
I guess somewhere around here.
I'm not sure.
675
00:53:47,207 --> 00:53:49,367
- Somewhere near the nose?
- I guess so.
676
00:53:49,527 --> 00:53:51,287
Okay. So, no gurgling or coughing...
677
00:53:51,367 --> 00:53:55,887
No. I turned around and left.
I didn't spend much time here.
678
00:53:55,967 --> 00:53:57,287
You didn't even check if...
679
00:53:57,367 --> 00:54:00,887
- No. I saw the hit.
- You saw the hit.
680
00:54:01,407 --> 00:54:03,247
Okay, we can stop the recording.
681
00:54:06,487 --> 00:54:10,367
May I add one more thing?
682
00:54:10,487 --> 00:54:13,606
I'd like to apologize to the families -
683
00:54:14,206 --> 00:54:18,446
but I've been told it's done like this -
684
00:54:18,726 --> 00:54:22,086
not by writing a
personal letter or something.
685
00:54:23,806 --> 00:54:28,526
I cannot forbid you from writing a letter.
If you want this on the record...
686
00:54:28,926 --> 00:54:33,126
I would like to apologize
to the Kuciak and Kušnírová families.
687
00:54:33,446 --> 00:54:34,926
For what we have done.
688
00:54:46,366 --> 00:54:51,085
That's it really.
I know it can't fix what we have done.
689
00:54:51,645 --> 00:54:56,365
It cannot be undone, but at least
I'd like to apologize to them.
690
00:55:07,605 --> 00:55:10,645
- That's it?
- Yes.
691
00:55:22,045 --> 00:55:25,845
The trial takes place before
three professional judges.
692
00:55:26,462 --> 00:55:29,362
The Trial Begins. 22
months after the murder.
693
00:55:43,164 --> 00:55:48,164
Five people have been charged
with the murder of Ján Kuciak.
694
00:55:49,524 --> 00:55:51,764
Marček was the hit man.
695
00:55:51,844 --> 00:55:56,724
He made a guilty plea at
the start of the trial.
696
00:55:58,244 --> 00:56:02,204
Then Zoltán Andruskó, he
went into plea-bargaining
697
00:56:02,284 --> 00:56:06,964
and eventually was sentenced
to 15 years' imprisonment.
698
00:56:07,044 --> 00:56:12,323
And then the three others, they
entered a plea of not-guilty
699
00:56:12,403 --> 00:56:15,243
at the beginning of the trial:
Marián Kočner, Alena Zsuzsová
700
00:56:15,323 --> 00:56:17,563
and Tomáš Zsabo.
701
00:56:26,483 --> 00:56:29,963
It's difficult to talk.
We'll have a rough day.
702
00:56:30,323 --> 00:56:35,363
We hope the process will be orderly.
Secretly we were hoping -
703
00:56:35,603 --> 00:56:38,243
they would not show up today -
704
00:56:38,363 --> 00:56:41,803
that they wouldn't
be here... but they will.
705
00:56:41,963 --> 00:56:46,563
Seeing the accused
in person is not easy.
706
00:57:20,562 --> 00:57:24,482
People were on the squares
in 2018 because they felt
707
00:57:24,562 --> 00:57:29,081
that there is no justice in this country.
708
00:57:29,881 --> 00:57:34,881
So the legacy of the
decision of the court may be
709
00:57:35,001 --> 00:57:37,801
that people will start, slowly,
710
00:57:37,881 --> 00:57:41,161
to feel that justice is coming back.
711
00:57:41,241 --> 00:57:44,321
That may be the legacy of
the outcome of the trial.
712
00:57:45,321 --> 00:57:47,401
I do believe that Mr. Kočner is guilty
713
00:57:47,481 --> 00:57:49,961
of ordering the murder.
714
00:57:50,161 --> 00:57:54,841
His guilt will be proven beyond
a reasonable doubt in court.
715
00:57:55,721 --> 00:57:58,681
I respect the presumption of innocence.
716
00:57:59,721 --> 00:58:03,521
Though I believe
the charges are justified -
717
00:58:03,641 --> 00:58:10,320
and the evidence
proves the guilt of Mr. Kočner.
718
00:58:15,062 --> 00:58:17,184
Kočner's Library.
719
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,600
And it's not just
Kočner who is interesting,
720
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:26,360
but also his honey-trapper,
Alena Zsuzsová.
721
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:33,040
Alena Zsuzsová is probably
most renowned for her role
722
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:40,600
of being a honey trap collecting
kompromat for Marián Kočner.
723
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:45,199
Hi, tiger.
724
00:58:45,279 --> 00:58:50,079
Teach me, tiger, how to kiss you.
725
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,559
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
726
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:54,879
Alena Zsuzsová
was taking pictures
727
00:58:54,959 --> 00:58:57,839
from the internet of models
728
00:58:57,919 --> 00:59:02,119
and she photoshopped her
face to their bodies.
729
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:03,719
Teach me first.
730
00:59:03,799 --> 00:59:08,799
Teach me what to do.
731
00:59:09,879 --> 00:59:14,879
Touch me, tiger, when I'm close to you.
732
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:18,079
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
733
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:23,158
Help me, tiger,
I don't know what to do.
734
00:59:23,238 --> 00:59:25,558
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
735
00:59:25,638 --> 00:59:29,758
So Alena Zsuzsová created
a fake profile on social media.
736
00:59:29,838 --> 00:59:32,958
She started conversations
with important men,
737
00:59:33,038 --> 00:59:36,558
politicians or prosecutors for example.
738
00:59:36,638 --> 00:59:37,558
We have the evidence
739
00:59:37,638 --> 00:59:41,958
that she was successful
honeytrapping those powerful people
740
00:59:42,038 --> 00:59:46,398
because she was forwarding
those messages, including some
741
00:59:46,478 --> 00:59:49,798
of the very intimate
pictures, to Marián Kočner.
742
00:59:49,878 --> 00:59:54,158
So here is the list
of all the politicians.
743
00:59:54,238 --> 00:59:57,238
Different political parties,
some of them were members
744
00:59:57,318 --> 01:00:00,797
of parliament, some of
them were ex-ministers.
745
01:00:00,877 --> 01:00:02,797
The biggest enemies
746
01:00:02,877 --> 01:00:08,637
of Marián Kočner were
called "Sheep Class One"
747
01:00:08,997 --> 01:00:12,077
and she got some sum of amount
when she got the kompromat.
748
01:00:12,157 --> 01:00:14,277
Then there were "Second Class Sheep"
749
01:00:14,357 --> 01:00:15,597
and "Third Class Sheep."
750
01:00:15,677 --> 01:00:19,797
Sometimes they even exchanged
pictures, nude pictures,
751
01:00:19,877 --> 01:00:24,677
or even videos, for example
videos of masturbation.
752
01:00:25,397 --> 01:00:28,157
She says she has
another picture of a penis
753
01:00:28,237 --> 01:00:30,477
in her collection and she asks him,
754
01:00:31,557 --> 01:00:34,917
"Are you sure you want to see 'it'?
I warn you...
755
01:00:35,037 --> 01:00:40,596
I've never seen an uglier one.
It almost made me throw up."
756
01:00:40,996 --> 01:00:44,596
And we have recording of her phone call
757
01:00:44,676 --> 01:00:50,036
with Speaker of Parliament Andrej Danko.
758
01:00:51,676 --> 01:00:58,796
I could leave the car
at the parking lot at the airport.
759
01:00:58,916 --> 01:01:03,116
I can't wait a second more.
Lots of kisses, all over you.
760
01:01:03,236 --> 01:01:05,316
Uh huh, same here.
761
01:01:05,436 --> 01:01:09,396
Not more than me. Finally you'll be
mine for the whole night.
762
01:01:09,516 --> 01:01:14,236
Well, I hope we survive that.
763
01:01:14,356 --> 01:01:16,356
Are you looking forward to it?
764
01:01:16,476 --> 01:01:17,915
Sure thing.
765
01:01:18,035 --> 01:01:22,755
We both know it's been a long time...
766
01:01:24,395 --> 01:01:27,875
So lots of kisses and
see each other on Monday?
767
01:01:27,955 --> 01:01:29,715
Okay, I'm looking forward.
768
01:01:29,795 --> 01:01:32,755
Well, lots of kisses.
Take care and have a nice day!
769
01:01:33,995 --> 01:01:36,555
They even tried to manage the date,
770
01:01:36,635 --> 01:01:39,995
but she always canceled
the date like a few hours
771
01:01:40,075 --> 01:01:42,915
before they were supposed to meet.
772
01:01:43,875 --> 01:01:46,075
Miss Zsuzsová was a person
773
01:01:46,155 --> 01:01:50,555
who had a very long
relationship with Marián Kočner.
774
01:01:50,995 --> 01:01:53,315
She probably was involved in all sorts
775
01:01:53,395 --> 01:01:55,915
of activities in his favor.
776
01:01:55,995 --> 01:01:58,394
But nobody knew about the relationship.
777
01:01:58,474 --> 01:01:59,954
Nobody knew about it.
778
01:02:00,034 --> 01:02:05,234
But it is clear that it was
a very close and clandestine,
779
01:02:05,314 --> 01:02:07,154
I would think, relationship.
780
01:02:07,234 --> 01:02:12,514
He had probably total trust in her,
781
01:02:12,914 --> 01:02:14,834
and from the communication we have,
782
01:02:14,914 --> 01:02:17,634
it is clear that she adored him.
783
01:02:17,714 --> 01:02:21,514
She sent every single morning
to Marián Kočner message,
784
01:02:21,594 --> 01:02:23,194
"You are my king."
785
01:02:23,274 --> 01:02:24,394
"You are the best."
786
01:02:24,474 --> 01:02:26,074
"You are the biggest."
787
01:02:26,154 --> 01:02:29,514
So she was for him like a
drug, like a magical mirror
788
01:02:29,594 --> 01:02:33,194
from the fairy tale about seven dwarfs.
789
01:02:36,233 --> 01:02:39,713
And from her side it was really a man
790
01:02:39,793 --> 01:02:43,353
that she could count on to support her
791
01:02:43,433 --> 01:02:46,273
and her daughter for many, many years.
792
01:02:46,353 --> 01:02:50,953
I don't think she will ever betray him.
793
01:02:51,513 --> 01:02:55,353
And I think she was able to do anything
794
01:02:55,433 --> 01:02:57,193
if he asked her to do it.
795
01:02:58,633 --> 01:03:01,833
- We're recording?
- Yes.
796
01:03:01,993 --> 01:03:04,913
The accused Mr. Andruskó
is still at the toilet.
797
01:03:10,033 --> 01:03:12,113
Come in.
798
01:03:13,353 --> 01:03:15,272
Mr. Andruskó, you sit here.
799
01:03:15,472 --> 01:03:18,672
- Good afternoon.
- Your lawyer will be next to you.
800
01:03:32,712 --> 01:03:37,552
The first question is for Mr. Andruskó.
Do you know the accused?
801
01:03:37,672 --> 01:03:39,672
Yes, I do.
802
01:03:39,872 --> 01:03:44,032
I've known her for eight or nine years.
803
01:03:44,512 --> 01:03:47,192
We met on the Internet.
804
01:03:47,752 --> 01:03:50,992
Mrs. Zsuzsová, do you know the accused?
805
01:03:51,312 --> 01:03:54,991
Yes, I do.
806
01:03:55,911 --> 01:04:01,751
When and how did you get
the order to murder Ján Kuciak?
807
01:04:02,311 --> 01:04:10,311
I got the order from Mrs. Zsuzsová
in the winter of 2018.
808
01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:17,431
I was at her place
and she brought a laptop.
809
01:04:17,711 --> 01:04:21,271
- Where in her place?
- We were in my car.
810
01:04:21,791 --> 01:04:27,311
- So, she got into your car?
- She got into my car.
811
01:04:28,151 --> 01:04:31,670
She inserted a USB drive
into her computer.
812
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:34,790
"She inserted a USB drive..."
813
01:04:34,910 --> 01:04:38,190
Then she opened a file named "Kuciak."
814
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:40,830
- Kuciak?
- Kuciak.
815
01:04:41,830 --> 01:04:46,990
- There were photos of Kuciak.
- What did you see in those photos?
816
01:04:47,110 --> 01:04:51,870
His daily routine.
How he got up, went to work -
817
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:56,430
how he left work
for a coffee break.
818
01:04:57,670 --> 01:05:04,830
I could see the address,
house and license plate on the photos.
819
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:14,709
She said Kuciak should be taken out,
that her fortune teller had advised her.
820
01:05:16,629 --> 01:05:20,669
Don't react!
"her fortune teller had advised her."
821
01:05:21,389 --> 01:05:23,549
I'm speaking to you.
I'm looking into your eyes.
822
01:05:23,709 --> 01:05:25,429
Well, sorry, but I...
823
01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:28,829
- Excuse me, just write down your notes.
- Sure.
824
01:05:28,949 --> 01:05:30,469
He is speaking to me.
825
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:36,029
React to the fact that
Mr. Andruskó has identified you -
826
01:05:36,149 --> 01:05:40,509
as the person
who ordered Kuciak's murder.
827
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:43,829
Yes. That's absolutely absurd...
828
01:05:44,469 --> 01:05:46,709
Never in my life -
829
01:05:48,189 --> 01:05:53,028
have I seen any files
on surveilling Kuciak.
830
01:05:53,508 --> 01:05:57,988
And I definitely
didn't show him any on a laptop -
831
01:05:58,268 --> 01:06:02,468
because I don't have one
and I'm technologically illiterate -
832
01:06:02,988 --> 01:06:06,108
- apart from my cell phone.
- "...technologically illiterate."
833
01:06:06,268 --> 01:06:08,108
You have to read the truth?
834
01:06:08,268 --> 01:06:12,788
No, these are just notes
about what you said...
835
01:06:12,908 --> 01:06:14,748
So I don't know who showed -
836
01:06:14,868 --> 01:06:18,868
Mr. Andruskó those photos,
but it definitely wasn't me.
837
01:06:21,308 --> 01:06:23,188
Laughing won't help you.
838
01:06:23,348 --> 01:06:25,428
Mr. Andruskó,
the next question is for you.
839
01:06:25,868 --> 01:06:30,987
- Were you told who ordered it?
- Yes, I was.
840
01:06:31,147 --> 01:06:36,267
Mrs. Zsuzsová told me explicitly
it was for Mr. Kočner...
841
01:06:36,387 --> 01:06:39,747
- "Mrs. Alena Zsuzsová told me..."
- Kočner's money...
842
01:06:39,867 --> 01:06:43,427
"it would be for Mr. Kočner
and it was Kočner's money."
843
01:06:43,667 --> 01:06:46,747
And that it should
be carried out for him.
844
01:06:46,867 --> 01:06:51,067
Mr. Kočner has not ordered
any murder from me.
845
01:06:51,547 --> 01:06:58,547
Not the murder of Mr. Kuciak,
or anybody else.
846
01:06:59,707 --> 01:07:03,227
I want to ask Mr. Andruskó...
847
01:07:03,507 --> 01:07:08,506
Who really ordered
the murder of Mr. Kuciak?
848
01:07:09,786 --> 01:07:13,906
- For real?
- Yes, I'm dead serious.
849
01:07:14,546 --> 01:07:19,106
- I'm asking you who ordered you?
- You ordered me.
850
01:07:19,226 --> 01:07:25,666
- Of course.
- You pushed me to make it happen.
851
01:07:27,946 --> 01:07:32,026
Why did you have Kuciak killed?
You had him killed, sweetheart.
852
01:07:32,146 --> 01:07:35,946
- You ordered and confessed to the murder.
- You ordered it.
853
01:07:36,266 --> 01:07:38,427
- The only one who ordered it is you.
- You ordered it.
854
01:07:38,506 --> 01:07:42,146
- You...
- You ordered it.
855
01:07:42,586 --> 01:07:45,465
- And what would I get out of it?
- For Kočner.
856
01:07:45,585 --> 01:07:50,505
But it would harm Kočner.
Are you insane?
857
01:07:50,625 --> 01:07:53,665
I guess I am
because I did it for you.
858
01:07:53,745 --> 01:07:55,626
The first piece of
evidence, the crucial piece
859
01:07:55,705 --> 01:07:59,105
of evidence, is the
testimony of Zoltán Andruskó,
860
01:07:59,185 --> 01:08:01,345
because Zoltán Andruskó testified
861
01:08:01,425 --> 01:08:03,425
that Alena Zsuzsová told him
862
01:08:04,385 --> 01:08:06,705
that the murder is being committed
863
01:08:06,785 --> 01:08:10,305
on the order of Marián Kočner.
864
01:08:10,385 --> 01:08:12,905
He testified right after the arrest
865
01:08:12,985 --> 01:08:17,145
that the day after the murder
he came to see Alena Zsuzsová
866
01:08:17,225 --> 01:08:21,145
in the morning to tell her
that the murder was committed.
867
01:08:21,225 --> 01:08:25,504
And then she went for the
money to Marián Kočner.
868
01:08:25,584 --> 01:08:28,224
Later in the day he came back again
869
01:08:28,304 --> 01:08:32,704
and he got the first 50,000
euros from Alena Zsuzsová.
870
01:08:33,224 --> 01:08:34,904
Now, at that time, when he was arrested,
871
01:08:34,984 --> 01:08:37,384
he didn't know what the evidence is.
872
01:08:37,464 --> 01:08:41,024
But when you take the information we have
873
01:08:41,104 --> 01:08:44,944
from the base transceiver stations,
874
01:08:45,024 --> 01:08:49,944
mobile transceiver stations,
we know how the people moved
875
01:08:50,024 --> 01:08:52,144
on the 22nd of February.
876
01:08:52,224 --> 01:08:55,584
And it all matches with
Zoltán Andruskó's testimony.
877
01:08:55,664 --> 01:09:00,544
The mobile phones were on
the same place of Andruskó
878
01:09:00,624 --> 01:09:02,263
and Zsuzsová in the morning,
879
01:09:02,343 --> 01:09:05,343
then Zsuzsová and Kočner in the afternoon,
880
01:09:05,423 --> 01:09:07,663
then Andruskó and Zsuzsová in the evening
881
01:09:07,743 --> 01:09:09,343
in Komarno back again.
882
01:09:09,423 --> 01:09:13,463
So it all comes together as a puzzle.
883
01:09:13,703 --> 01:09:16,783
She gave me the money and I left.
884
01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:19,103
- She just gave you the money?
- Yes.
885
01:09:19,223 --> 01:09:22,743
- When?
- It all happened before noon.
886
01:09:23,263 --> 01:09:26,103
In this moment he will testify again
887
01:09:26,183 --> 01:09:28,383
and again and again that at this moment
888
01:09:28,463 --> 01:09:32,223
in the morning hours he
got the money from her.
889
01:09:32,463 --> 01:09:36,223
It all happened before noon...
890
01:09:37,703 --> 01:09:40,262
- It happened before noon?
- Before noon.
891
01:09:40,342 --> 01:09:45,342
Interesting is that the
prosecutor went to court and said,
892
01:09:45,582 --> 01:09:48,782
"I want to prove that
afternoon she got the money"
893
01:09:48,862 --> 01:09:52,382
"from Mr. Kočner and she
gave it to Andruskó."
894
01:09:52,462 --> 01:09:56,422
Even his answer to the
question of prosecutor,
895
01:09:56,502 --> 01:09:59,462
"Do you remember exactly the
time when you get the money?"
896
01:09:59,542 --> 01:10:02,982
He said, "Yes, this is
what I remember exactly."
897
01:10:03,062 --> 01:10:04,862
"It was before noon."
898
01:10:04,942 --> 01:10:09,742
If the prosecutor claims
that BTS can't lie,
899
01:10:09,822 --> 01:10:13,102
then it is in favor to Mr. Kočner.
900
01:10:13,822 --> 01:10:18,622
One of the key pieces of
the evidence is Threema.
901
01:10:18,702 --> 01:10:23,621
Threema is a mobile app for
encrypted communication.
902
01:10:23,701 --> 01:10:26,381
And within the conversation
with Alena Zsuzsová,
903
01:10:26,461 --> 01:10:31,261
they daily exchanged like
tens or hundreds of messages.
904
01:10:31,341 --> 01:10:33,381
They were really in constant touch.
905
01:10:33,461 --> 01:10:41,021
According to what I was told
and I hope I can explain it as a layman -
906
01:10:41,701 --> 01:10:45,301
he deleted his own communication.
907
01:10:45,461 --> 01:10:50,661
However, it remained there
and would have stayed -
908
01:10:51,261 --> 01:10:55,821
in the memory until
rewritten by other information.
909
01:10:56,101 --> 01:10:58,540
He thought he deleted it.
910
01:10:58,984 --> 01:11:02,796
I had a dreamt an awful dream. I mean, a really
terrible one!!! My teeth were falling out.
911
01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:07,020
21st is the day on which Ján Kuciak
912
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:08,900
and Martina Kušnírová were murdered.
913
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:10,940
They communicate in codewords.
914
01:11:11,020 --> 01:11:13,860
They talk about falling
teeth, what it means,
915
01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:16,060
and it means death.
916
01:11:16,168 --> 01:11:19,323
[...] It's been snowing like hell,
so it couldn't have been done earlier.
917
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:23,580
They used "snow" to refer to something -
918
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:26,740
that hinders some activity.
919
01:11:26,940 --> 01:11:30,340
Suddenly, Mrs. Zsuzsová -
920
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:36,060
used a profane expression
when she alerted Mr. Kočner that -
921
01:11:36,180 --> 01:11:39,299
something was wrong.
922
01:11:39,461 --> 01:11:41,258
And we're fucked.
923
01:11:41,336 --> 01:11:44,906
In addition to the journalist,
Martina Kušnírová was also murdered.
924
01:11:45,024 --> 01:11:46,024
What?
925
01:11:46,379 --> 01:11:50,219
Crucial is the reaction of Mr. Kočner -
926
01:11:50,317 --> 01:11:51,955
Did the snow melt?
927
01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:55,474
He asked her, "Did the snow melt?"
928
01:11:55,659 --> 01:11:58,379
Right after that, Mrs. Zsuzsová reacted:
929
01:11:58,433 --> 01:11:59,875
1 fell out for real now.
930
01:11:59,906 --> 01:12:02,946
"One fell out for real now."
931
01:12:03,059 --> 01:12:05,779
In my opinion, it means that -
932
01:12:05,804 --> 01:12:10,306
she announced
Ján's murder to Mr. Kočner.
933
01:12:10,878 --> 01:12:12,120
50... > SOON Skull & Bones.
934
01:12:12,145 --> 01:12:14,219
This is a text message
that Kočner is sending
935
01:12:14,299 --> 01:12:16,778
to Zsuzsová on the day of the murder,
936
01:12:16,858 --> 01:12:21,258
50 and a line and skull and bones.
937
01:12:21,338 --> 01:12:23,858
Skull and bones is a symbol of death.
938
01:12:23,938 --> 01:12:27,898
And 50,000 euros was the sum that was paid
939
01:12:27,978 --> 01:12:30,738
to Zoltan Andruskó for the murder.
940
01:12:30,818 --> 01:12:32,818
The defense understands
941
01:12:32,898 --> 01:12:35,738
that this communication is incriminating,
942
01:12:35,818 --> 01:12:39,218
otherwise they would
not fight so vigorously
943
01:12:39,298 --> 01:12:42,218
against allowing this piece of evidence
944
01:12:42,298 --> 01:12:44,978
to be presented in court.
945
01:12:45,178 --> 01:12:51,498
I'm glad we were able to decipher it,
and I don't think anyone has any doubt -
946
01:12:52,018 --> 01:12:57,577
that those words meant something
different than they seemed at first.
947
01:12:57,897 --> 01:13:01,097
In Threema you speak in open phrases.
948
01:13:01,177 --> 01:13:02,497
You hide nothing.
949
01:13:02,577 --> 01:13:05,897
You don't need to hide
something because it is hidden.
950
01:13:05,977 --> 01:13:08,977
For me, impossible meanings
in the basic words,
951
01:13:09,057 --> 01:13:12,097
like teeth, like snow.
952
01:13:12,177 --> 01:13:15,777
If you use the word snow in summer,
953
01:13:15,857 --> 01:13:17,137
I would think it's strange.
954
01:13:17,217 --> 01:13:21,097
But if you use the word snow
in winter, it's common for me.
955
01:13:21,177 --> 01:13:27,617
It's almost normal word in winter.
956
01:13:30,194 --> 01:13:33,701
Kočner's Secret World. The
years leading up to the murder.
957
01:13:34,936 --> 01:13:37,256
Good morning. We'll have two coffees.
958
01:13:37,896 --> 01:13:39,896
Small ones?
959
01:13:39,976 --> 01:13:41,736
Yes, yes.
960
01:13:43,136 --> 01:13:45,776
This is the belly of Marián Kočner.
961
01:13:46,896 --> 01:13:50,776
And actually "Belly" was the
nickname of Marián Kočner.
962
01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:55,856
For a long time we were
wondering why Marián Kočner
963
01:13:55,936 --> 01:13:58,056
is immune to prosecution.
964
01:13:58,136 --> 01:14:05,576
I mean, why all his cases are
turned down by prosecutors.
965
01:14:05,656 --> 01:14:08,256
This is the evidence why.
966
01:14:08,336 --> 01:14:11,495
It's a video showing the close ties
967
01:14:11,575 --> 01:14:15,135
between the general
prosecutor, Dobroslav Trnka,
968
01:14:15,215 --> 01:14:19,775
who has almost unlimited
powers in Slovakia,
969
01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:21,735
and Marián Kočner.
970
01:14:21,815 --> 01:14:24,975
He did escape prosecution
because of his connections.
971
01:14:25,055 --> 01:14:26,495
We started investigating
972
01:14:26,575 --> 01:14:30,695
in 2012 his money-laundering activities.
973
01:14:30,775 --> 01:14:32,455
And because of his connections
974
01:14:32,535 --> 01:14:34,535
at the general prosecution office,
975
01:14:34,615 --> 01:14:37,815
it was suspended very, very soon.
976
01:14:37,895 --> 01:14:40,975
There was an order from the
general prosecution office
977
01:14:41,055 --> 01:14:42,575
just the next day
978
01:14:42,655 --> 01:14:46,415
to hand over the whole
file for inspection.
979
01:14:46,775 --> 01:14:47,855
That was just absurd.
980
01:14:47,935 --> 01:14:48,695
That was really...
981
01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:51,014
I have never experienced
that in my practice.
982
01:14:51,094 --> 01:14:53,814
It was practically impossible
to investigate anything.
983
01:14:55,614 --> 01:14:58,454
They will be out of the frame.
They usually sit here.
984
01:14:58,614 --> 01:15:00,974
Do they sit there?
985
01:15:01,414 --> 01:15:03,894
They are setting the hidden camera
986
01:15:03,974 --> 01:15:06,174
as a kind of a trap.
987
01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:08,294
Show me...
988
01:15:08,374 --> 01:15:10,294
It could collect sensitive data
989
01:15:10,374 --> 01:15:12,494
on the people coming to the office
990
01:15:12,574 --> 01:15:14,254
of the general prosecutor.
991
01:15:14,334 --> 01:15:18,054
It's another way how to
create kompromat on them.
992
01:15:18,454 --> 01:15:20,774
He made two billion! Fucker...
993
01:15:21,854 --> 01:15:24,614
He also tricked Fico because -
994
01:15:24,934 --> 01:15:28,613
he didn't split the money and
[Fico] didn't realize it.
995
01:15:29,173 --> 01:15:29,933
This is how...
996
01:15:30,013 --> 01:15:33,293
This is basically how
failed state looks like.
997
01:15:33,373 --> 01:15:36,213
So not only mafia state,
but also failed state,
998
01:15:36,293 --> 01:15:42,573
which is not able to secure
justice for everybody equally.
999
01:15:43,183 --> 01:15:47,105
You don't understand. It's not about when or what.
I just wanted to inform you who is against you.
1000
01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:48,755
- Delete it please. Just in case.
- Can you meet next week?
1001
01:15:48,779 --> 01:15:50,356
I'll figure it out, so we're 100% sure.
1002
01:15:50,381 --> 01:15:52,011
- Watch out for those promissory notes.
- I'm here.
1003
01:15:52,035 --> 01:15:53,331
Have patience. He's a tough nut
to crack. I'll let you know tomorrow.
1004
01:15:53,355 --> 01:15:56,733
I never considered
Marián Kočner as a person
1005
01:15:56,813 --> 01:15:59,133
from whom I expected something good.
1006
01:15:59,213 --> 01:16:03,853
But the people cooperating
with him in politics
1007
01:16:03,933 --> 01:16:07,292
and in law enforcement
and in the judiciary,
1008
01:16:07,372 --> 01:16:09,532
for me, they are worse.
1009
01:16:11,812 --> 01:16:16,332
The judge, Vladimir Sklenka,
1010
01:16:16,972 --> 01:16:20,532
who really was a great
source of information
1011
01:16:20,612 --> 01:16:25,292
for Marián Kočner, he
basically gave him information
1012
01:16:25,372 --> 01:16:28,652
about ongoing cases and other judges.
1013
01:16:28,732 --> 01:16:32,612
For example, here the
judge is asking Kočner
1014
01:16:32,692 --> 01:16:36,092
how he should rule.
1015
01:16:36,172 --> 01:16:38,292
So judge Sklenka has problem
1016
01:16:38,372 --> 01:16:39,812
to write the verdicts, basically.
1017
01:16:39,892 --> 01:16:43,932
So he was asking many
times for help from Kočner.
1018
01:16:44,012 --> 01:16:47,371
And Kočner's lawyers
were actually sometimes
1019
01:16:47,451 --> 01:16:50,131
even writing the verdicts for him.
1020
01:16:50,371 --> 01:16:54,331
So Kočner was something like
a manager of these verdicts.
1021
01:16:54,811 --> 01:16:56,131
That's how it works.
1022
01:16:56,211 --> 01:16:57,811
One of the most important people
1023
01:16:57,891 --> 01:17:01,211
for Marián Kočner was State Secretary
1024
01:17:01,291 --> 01:17:04,371
and former judge Monika Jankovská.
1025
01:17:04,451 --> 01:17:09,091
He called her "My monkey"
and he exchanged more than...
1026
01:17:09,171 --> 01:17:12,811
More than 6,000 messages
with Monika Jankovská.
1027
01:17:12,891 --> 01:17:14,851
And they were actually talking a lot
1028
01:17:14,931 --> 01:17:17,371
about how to influence other judges.
1029
01:17:17,451 --> 01:17:20,171
They were talking about ongoing cases,
1030
01:17:20,251 --> 01:17:24,810
and from her position she also
made pressure on two judges
1031
01:17:24,890 --> 01:17:30,090
to decide the cases on
behalf of Marián Kočner.
1032
01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:34,282
And then they were also talking
about splitting the money.
1033
01:17:34,314 --> 01:17:36,907
I suppose you'll split
Zuzana's reward with Denisa.
1034
01:17:36,939 --> 01:17:38,681
No, Denisa gets a part of mine.
1035
01:17:38,705 --> 01:17:42,161
I promised that cunt something
and now I must keep it.
1036
01:17:42,936 --> 01:17:45,816
They sent each other kisses and hearts.
1037
01:17:46,690 --> 01:17:48,410
And they were joking.
1038
01:17:50,170 --> 01:17:54,010
“LMFAO. I could get Al Capone out of jail”.
1039
01:17:56,210 --> 01:17:58,690
So, that's it.
1040
01:17:58,770 --> 01:18:01,130
I want to show you something.
1041
01:18:01,210 --> 01:18:04,089
This guy, it's Norbert Bödör.
1042
01:18:04,169 --> 01:18:06,729
He's this kind of a Slovak oligarch
1043
01:18:06,809 --> 01:18:11,049
who was really into MMA
fighting, and he trained one
1044
01:18:11,129 --> 01:18:13,529
of the best Slovak fighters.
1045
01:18:14,049 --> 01:18:19,969
But also, due to his father,
he was very influential
1046
01:18:20,049 --> 01:18:23,809
in Slovak police force
and law enforcement.
1047
01:18:23,889 --> 01:18:27,609
I think Kočner is an intelligent man.
1048
01:18:28,369 --> 01:18:34,969
He knew he didn't need to
communicate directly with the police...
1049
01:18:35,689 --> 01:18:39,609
He just needed someone
to communicate on his behalf.
1050
01:18:40,369 --> 01:18:43,368
Perhaps this was Mr. Bödör.
1051
01:18:43,448 --> 01:18:46,528
Bödör was giving information to Kočner
1052
01:18:46,608 --> 01:18:48,368
from police databases.
1053
01:18:48,448 --> 01:18:50,568
When Kočner requested
a certain information
1054
01:18:50,648 --> 01:18:53,208
from a database, he got it from Bödör.
1055
01:18:53,288 --> 01:18:57,088
When he needs to know the
name of a police officer
1056
01:18:57,159 --> 01:19:00,280
who investigates any case, he asks Bödör.
1057
01:19:00,305 --> 01:19:02,459
Incoming InApp
Call_HANGUP1dffe4bc41c4df2 [in background]
1058
01:19:02,483 --> 01:19:06,232
Find out who is investigating and who is the prosecutor
over THAT thing Špirko made Varga sign under.
1059
01:19:06,256 --> 01:19:09,608
If he needs to change the result, he asks.
1060
01:19:09,688 --> 01:19:13,888
Here is Kočner asking Bödör
to ask the police investigator
1061
01:19:13,968 --> 01:19:16,008
to take medical leave
1062
01:19:16,088 --> 01:19:19,848
so he can postpone Kočner's investigation
1063
01:19:19,928 --> 01:19:21,687
for another two weeks.
1064
01:19:21,767 --> 01:19:24,527
If Marián Kočner needed some information
1065
01:19:24,607 --> 01:19:27,087
on anyone he was interested in,
1066
01:19:27,126 --> 01:19:29,823
Please check a person
named Adolf [blurred] for me. [...]
1067
01:19:29,847 --> 01:19:33,847
There was no problem to give
him names, date of birth,
1068
01:19:33,927 --> 01:19:36,927
also information about
parents, children, whatever.
1069
01:19:37,007 --> 01:19:41,687
Kočner is asking Norbert
Bödör for a so called Spider,
1070
01:19:41,767 --> 01:19:43,887
which is basically personal data
1071
01:19:43,967 --> 01:19:48,287
from the state's registers,
like all the relatives,
1072
01:19:48,367 --> 01:19:52,247
the numbers of the passport,
the number of ID cards,
1073
01:19:52,447 --> 01:19:54,567
driving licenses and so.
1074
01:19:54,847 --> 01:19:59,526
All cases in which
Marián Kočner was involved
1075
01:19:59,606 --> 01:20:02,566
were handled by two investigators
1076
01:20:02,646 --> 01:20:04,246
from the National Crime Agency.
1077
01:20:04,326 --> 01:20:07,486
And from the communication we
know that he was taking care
1078
01:20:07,566 --> 01:20:09,166
of those two investigators.
1079
01:20:09,246 --> 01:20:15,926
Every single case was assigned
to these two investigators.
1080
01:20:16,006 --> 01:20:21,446
Of course they weren't able to
get his cases on their desks.
1081
01:20:21,526 --> 01:20:25,606
It was somebody from the
leadership of the police force
1082
01:20:25,686 --> 01:20:28,766
that was assigning them all these cases.
1083
01:20:30,166 --> 01:20:32,846
From the information we
have in communication
1084
01:20:32,926 --> 01:20:35,446
of Marián Kočner and Norbert Bödör,
1085
01:20:35,526 --> 01:20:41,205
we know that he had a direct
link with Tibor Gašpar.
1086
01:20:42,725 --> 01:20:45,765
We know that Norbert
Bödör was a close friend,
1087
01:20:45,845 --> 01:20:49,805
even a relative of the
former police president.
1088
01:20:51,485 --> 01:20:57,485
Our investigation uncovered further
information relevant to Kuciak's murder.
1089
01:20:57,925 --> 01:21:03,125
We found that
Ján's personal file was accessed -
1090
01:21:04,405 --> 01:21:08,774
in the police's internal database
prior to the murder.
1091
01:21:09,071 --> 01:21:12,655
Can you please pull the file
on two more people for me?
1092
01:21:12,727 --> 01:21:15,863
It shouldn't be a problem
to get passport copies.
1093
01:21:19,269 --> 01:21:22,829
We believe that -
1094
01:21:23,164 --> 01:21:29,924
the person who ordered
Ján Kuciak's file to be accessed -
1095
01:21:30,964 --> 01:21:37,644
may be associated with
the top management of the police force.
1096
01:21:41,884 --> 01:21:45,804
For six years, I've been explaining
we are a safe country.
1097
01:21:46,244 --> 01:21:48,404
We do not live in a mafia state.
1098
01:21:49,924 --> 01:21:53,884
We believe that Kočner got Ján's address
1099
01:21:53,964 --> 01:21:57,123
from the head of police, Tibor Gašpar.
1100
01:21:57,363 --> 01:22:01,563
And I am sure that Gašpar
gave this address to Bödör
1101
01:22:01,643 --> 01:22:02,643
and Bödör to Kočner.
1102
01:22:05,203 --> 01:22:09,003
And now these connections coming out -
1103
01:22:09,123 --> 01:22:11,963
to the courts, the Prosecutor's Office -
1104
01:22:13,243 --> 01:22:15,803
and even the police.
1105
01:22:16,083 --> 01:22:18,483
We can see what a
monstrous thing this was.
1106
01:22:18,810 --> 01:22:21,277
And call it by its name: Mafia.
1107
01:22:23,965 --> 01:22:26,298
Ján Kuciak, Velká Mača 558, Galanta.
1108
01:22:35,610 --> 01:22:41,570
The video is done by someone
who was surveilling Ján.
1109
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,960
You see the guy who was doing
the surveillance, he's hiding.
1110
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,680
He didn't want to be seen by Martina.
1111
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,480
So someone was following them,
1112
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:09,520
following their daily routines,
especially focused on Jáno.
1113
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:19,040
Those pictures and those
surveillance reports were found
1114
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:25,080
on a USB stick in the safe
of Marián Kočner's house.
1115
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,800
And of course we also know
1116
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,479
that Andruskó had identified the photos
1117
01:24:31,559 --> 01:24:34,599
from the surveillance of Ján Kuciak
1118
01:24:34,679 --> 01:24:40,159
that Alena Zsuzsová showed
him on a laptop in the car.
1119
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:44,639
And these pictures were
identical to the pictures found
1120
01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:47,759
in Marián Kočner's house
during the house search.
1121
01:24:48,839 --> 01:24:52,639
So it linked the
surveillance to the murder
1122
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:54,799
and to Marián Kočner.
1123
01:24:54,879 --> 01:24:59,599
I think this is, for me,
this is really strong evidence.
1124
01:25:00,799 --> 01:25:02,759
- Everybody wanted Mr.
- Kočner to be the one.
1125
01:25:02,839 --> 01:25:05,199
They wanted the police to get him.
1126
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:07,959
Nobody was looking at
the evidence in whole,
1127
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:11,518
but just pieces of the evidence
were shown to the public
1128
01:25:11,598 --> 01:25:14,958
in order to convince
them that he is guilty.
1129
01:25:20,918 --> 01:25:23,798
- Should I make some comments?
- Take your time.
1130
01:25:23,878 --> 01:25:29,198
This is Mr. Marček, the
shooter, and he was also asked
1131
01:25:29,278 --> 01:25:32,238
about the photos from the surveillance
1132
01:25:32,318 --> 01:25:34,638
and if he could recognize them.
1133
01:25:35,158 --> 01:25:38,718
Read and look at all the photos.
1134
01:25:38,798 --> 01:25:42,238
He got a little bit of
help from his attorney,
1135
01:25:42,318 --> 01:25:44,118
a little bit of help from everybody,
1136
01:25:44,198 --> 01:25:46,598
but still he never recognized the photos.
1137
01:25:47,837 --> 01:25:48,837
Probably.
1138
01:25:49,757 --> 01:25:56,117
But I remember a photo where I could see
his face clearly. And here it's not clear.
1139
01:25:56,837 --> 01:25:59,397
This is the
most important moment.
1140
01:25:59,477 --> 01:26:01,797
So he saw another, a different picture.
1141
01:26:02,637 --> 01:26:04,397
Look one more time,
just in case.
1142
01:26:04,517 --> 01:26:10,197
- And he was wearing?
- A black hoodie. Maybe a yellow t-shirt.
1143
01:26:10,837 --> 01:26:14,037
It was a front shot of him while walking.
1144
01:26:14,157 --> 01:26:17,517
I can't see that photo here.
1145
01:26:19,077 --> 01:26:21,117
Actually, I recognized him
from that photo.
1146
01:26:21,197 --> 01:26:23,477
According to these photos,
I could not recognize him.
1147
01:26:23,557 --> 01:26:25,117
This is the most important part.
1148
01:26:25,197 --> 01:26:29,556
I wouldn't have recognized
him from this one.
1149
01:26:29,636 --> 01:26:32,116
If he never saw the pictures
from the surveillance,
1150
01:26:32,196 --> 01:26:34,636
there is no connection to Mr. Kočner.
1151
01:26:34,836 --> 01:26:37,357
"I wouldn't have recognized him from
this photo." Is that right?
1152
01:26:37,396 --> 01:26:38,836
Yes.
1153
01:27:18,115 --> 01:27:21,235
I believe Slovak society
is absolutely convinced
1154
01:27:21,315 --> 01:27:23,715
that Marián Kočner did it.
1155
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,660
The Day of the Verdict.
31 months after the murder.
1156
01:27:29,075 --> 01:27:31,755
There's huge public pressure.
1157
01:27:32,724 --> 01:27:35,884
There's huge media pressure.
1158
01:27:36,915 --> 01:27:40,155
There are political pressures.
1159
01:27:42,275 --> 01:27:47,034
I believe 100% Kočner is guilty.
1160
01:27:48,634 --> 01:27:53,634
But if I would totally
detach myself from the case
1161
01:27:55,274 --> 01:27:57,714
and if I would be totally honest,
1162
01:27:58,794 --> 01:28:01,234
I don't think there's enough evidence
1163
01:28:01,314 --> 01:28:06,394
to send someone to prison for a lifetime.
1164
01:28:39,553 --> 01:28:41,633
All rise.
1165
01:28:46,273 --> 01:28:53,073
Listen to the verdict
in the name of the Slovak Republic.
1166
01:28:54,113 --> 01:28:56,113
The Special Criminal Court -
1167
01:28:56,193 --> 01:29:03,192
at this hearing on September 3, 2020,
has decided as follows:
1168
01:29:03,872 --> 01:29:09,792
The accused Marián Kočner,
born May 17, 1963 -
1169
01:29:10,192 --> 01:29:16,352
and Alena Zsuzsová,
born June 13, 1974.
1170
01:29:16,952 --> 01:29:22,072
According to section 285,
subsection (c) of the criminal code -
1171
01:29:23,312 --> 01:29:25,752
Not guilty.
1172
01:29:26,152 --> 01:29:27,152
I'm not gonna comment.
1173
01:29:27,752 --> 01:29:31,472
Do you think Kočner and Zsuzsová
are responsible for the murder?
1174
01:29:31,632 --> 01:29:32,632
Yes.
1175
01:29:34,712 --> 01:29:40,551
I had started to believe justice
finally had come to Slovakia.
1176
01:29:41,071 --> 01:29:45,791
But now I see
we're still at square one.
1177
01:29:48,311 --> 01:29:52,751
It's the first verdict. Now the dispute
moves to the supreme court.
1178
01:29:53,151 --> 01:29:57,031
And we will win.
Justice will prevail if we don't give up.
1179
01:29:57,191 --> 01:30:01,311
Ján and Martina's parents
are not giving up.
1180
01:30:05,631 --> 01:30:08,591
I'm gonna hug all of you one by one.
1181
01:30:08,751 --> 01:30:11,191
I cried a bit during the verdict.
1182
01:30:14,591 --> 01:30:17,471
This was just the first round.
Next one will be a knock out.
1183
01:30:17,631 --> 01:30:19,630
Let's hope so.
1184
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:20,630
Yeah.
1185
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:23,110
Zlata, let me hug you too.
1186
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:25,470
- What next? We fight?
- Sure.
1187
01:30:25,670 --> 01:30:27,710
First round won't stop us.
1188
01:30:27,870 --> 01:30:29,150
That's exactly what I think.
1189
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:33,790
The important thing is,
this didn't look rigged to me.
1190
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:36,070
I don't think that, understand?
This is essential.
1191
01:30:36,230 --> 01:30:40,430
At least to my knowledge,
I don't think so.
1192
01:30:40,830 --> 01:30:46,630
If we don't win in Slovakia we go farther.
I've been to Brussels and can go again...
1193
01:30:47,950 --> 01:30:51,830
Martina and Ján deserve justice.
1194
01:30:55,870 --> 01:30:57,829
Like in those American movies...
1195
01:30:57,989 --> 01:31:01,269
you take justice into your own hands.
No other choice.
1196
01:31:01,429 --> 01:31:04,549
- Be careful they're filming you.
- So what? It's the truth.
1197
01:31:04,869 --> 01:31:08,909
Otherwise you cannot
get anything done here.
1198
01:31:09,069 --> 01:31:13,309
Like in "Three billboards..."
whose daughter had been...
1199
01:31:13,469 --> 01:31:15,509
with a machine gun, right?
1200
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:19,789
No, not like them.
Only beat them up.
1201
01:31:19,949 --> 01:31:23,629
No killing. Like Martina said,
"I wouldn't sink to their level."
1202
01:31:23,789 --> 01:31:28,829
Just punch their faces or spit on them.
That's enough for me.
1203
01:31:29,229 --> 01:31:30,829
Dammit.
1204
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And, you know, Slovakia
is now really in the process
1205
01:31:39,308 --> 01:31:43,348
of revolution that was
started by Ján's murder
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01:31:43,428 --> 01:31:47,428
and the investigation
and exposing all those,
1207
01:31:47,508 --> 01:31:48,628
all this corruption.
1208
01:31:49,708 --> 01:31:52,628
After the police analyzed Kočner's phone,
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01:31:52,708 --> 01:31:55,908
they took for interrogation one judge,
1210
01:31:55,988 --> 01:31:57,988
and this judge started to talk,
1211
01:31:58,068 --> 01:32:01,948
and he exposed the other corrupted
judges and how it worked,
1212
01:32:02,028 --> 01:32:04,828
and the others started
to talk and, you know,
1213
01:32:04,908 --> 01:32:08,668
the whole system is collapsing.
1214
01:32:09,388 --> 01:32:14,387
A storm like we've never seen.
Judges in Kočner's phone in handcuffs.
1215
01:32:14,787 --> 01:32:20,227
Judges Jankovská, Maruniaková, Hajtová,
Cviková. All connected to Kocner's case.
1216
01:32:20,587 --> 01:32:25,947
Police detained 13 judges,
two former judges and three others.
1217
01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:31,627
They face charges of corruption
and obstruction of justice.
1218
01:32:31,787 --> 01:32:33,587
Those who should have been fighting
1219
01:32:33,667 --> 01:32:36,147
against the mafia
were actually key persons
1220
01:32:36,227 --> 01:32:37,667
of that mafia system.
1221
01:32:37,747 --> 01:32:40,867
Allow me to express
my deepest condolences...
1222
01:32:40,947 --> 01:32:46,147
Tibor Gašpar, one of
the most powerful persons
1223
01:32:46,227 --> 01:32:50,387
in the Slovak law
enforcement is now charged
1224
01:32:50,467 --> 01:32:53,146
with heading an organized criminal group.
1225
01:32:53,466 --> 01:32:59,786
They transported Gašpar to Bratislava.
He is facing several criminal charges.
1226
01:33:00,946 --> 01:33:04,026
The investigators say that
he was getting the orders
1227
01:33:04,106 --> 01:33:06,986
from a Slovak oligarch Norbert Bödör.
1228
01:33:07,066 --> 01:33:10,786
And Norbert Bödör was
giving him instructions
1229
01:33:10,866 --> 01:33:14,146
on what to investigate, what
not, who to investigate,
1230
01:33:14,226 --> 01:33:16,906
who not, what to ignore, what to focus on.
1231
01:33:16,986 --> 01:33:18,986
And he was passing these orders
1232
01:33:19,066 --> 01:33:22,266
to other top police officials.
1233
01:33:22,346 --> 01:33:26,146
Put it in simple terms means
that the most powerful mafia
1234
01:33:26,226 --> 01:33:28,586
in Slovakia was actually the police.
1235
01:33:28,666 --> 01:33:30,985
And, for me, it's shocking, you know,
1236
01:33:31,065 --> 01:33:33,625
I was just like, "What?"
1237
01:33:33,865 --> 01:33:40,625
Police were busy across Slovakia.
They detained the former Chief of NAKA -
1238
01:33:40,785 --> 01:33:45,345
the former head
of the Anti-corruption Force -
1239
01:33:45,505 --> 01:33:50,025
and the former head of the
Financial Police. All in handcuffs.
1240
01:33:50,105 --> 01:33:52,785
Suddenly there were
dozens of them in custody.
1241
01:33:52,865 --> 01:33:57,305
People lost completely
understanding of who is who.
1242
01:33:57,385 --> 01:33:58,745
And they started to understand
1243
01:33:58,825 --> 01:34:03,145
that the situation was even
worse than they thought before.
1244
01:34:03,225 --> 01:34:04,945
The mood in the society was like,
1245
01:34:05,025 --> 01:34:07,545
"We want to see people go to jail,"
1246
01:34:07,625 --> 01:34:09,145
and it was happening.
1247
01:34:09,225 --> 01:34:13,704
But the rest of it, it was absolute chaos.
1248
01:34:13,784 --> 01:34:17,264
And the populistic part
of the opposition,
1249
01:34:17,344 --> 01:34:19,624
they convinced people
that they are the ones
1250
01:34:19,704 --> 01:34:21,384
who should be voted in.
1251
01:34:21,464 --> 01:34:23,064
And Igor Matovič
1252
01:34:23,144 --> 01:34:27,384
as a leading populist simply
won the majority of the votes.
1253
01:34:27,664 --> 01:34:32,584
Thank you for voting.
Don't be afraid of the future...
1254
01:34:32,744 --> 01:34:35,784
Although very
convincing in opposition,
1255
01:34:35,864 --> 01:34:36,984
Igor Matovič proved
1256
01:34:37,064 --> 01:34:39,984
to be absolutely
incompetent in government.
1257
01:34:41,144 --> 01:34:43,424
And I'm afraid that the party
1258
01:34:43,504 --> 01:34:47,544
that created the corrupted
system and lost because
1259
01:34:47,624 --> 01:34:51,823
of Jáno's murder can regain
the power in the next elections.
1260
01:34:51,903 --> 01:34:54,623
Suddenly many people are able
1261
01:34:54,703 --> 01:34:58,063
to say something that was
unheard of two years ago,
1262
01:34:58,143 --> 01:35:00,583
"Well, maybe they were not very fair,
1263
01:35:00,663 --> 01:35:02,183
maybe they were stealing,
1264
01:35:02,263 --> 01:35:05,423
but the country was
functioning better than now."
1265
01:35:05,503 --> 01:35:08,383
And that's tragic, you know,
when people are starting
1266
01:35:08,463 --> 01:35:12,143
to compromise their previous anger
1267
01:35:12,223 --> 01:35:15,543
against these thieves, against mafia.
1268
01:35:15,623 --> 01:35:19,823
And I believe it's because
people are disappointed
1269
01:35:19,903 --> 01:35:23,783
that the changes are
slow, they are impatient.
1270
01:35:23,863 --> 01:35:25,383
What can European Union learn
1271
01:35:25,463 --> 01:35:28,102
from the whole process in Slovakia?
1272
01:35:28,182 --> 01:35:31,422
I'm not very optimistic about
that part, honestly speaking,
1273
01:35:31,502 --> 01:35:36,502
because immediately after
the murder of Ján Kuciak many
1274
01:35:36,582 --> 01:35:39,302
of us in Slovakia were
literally screaming,
1275
01:35:39,382 --> 01:35:43,222
"Stop financing Slovakia from Euro Funds."
1276
01:35:43,302 --> 01:35:47,222
"Once you will do it, Slovakia
will be able to move out"
1277
01:35:47,302 --> 01:35:51,742
"of oligarchic state more
efficiently and faster."
1278
01:35:51,822 --> 01:35:54,182
European Union should be much tougher
1279
01:35:54,262 --> 01:35:56,662
on states like Slovakia.
1280
01:36:11,621 --> 01:36:16,061
I still believe the legacy
of Jáno is really big.
1281
01:36:16,141 --> 01:36:21,061
Well, it's kind of a tragedy
that he was the reason
1282
01:36:22,341 --> 01:36:25,781
that all those information got exposed.
1283
01:36:25,861 --> 01:36:30,861
And for me this is probably
the most depressing part
1284
01:36:30,941 --> 01:36:33,741
of all the story, that
he can't see it now.
1285
01:36:55,700 --> 01:37:02,580
And I believe that, you know,
even if you are...
1286
01:37:03,580 --> 01:37:08,940
desperate and frustrated and you
believe that change is not possible,
1287
01:37:09,020 --> 01:37:11,660
you can see it is.
1288
01:37:11,740 --> 01:37:18,020
And we can see it, this case,
that the change is possible.
1289
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:20,300
And it's up to us to decide
1290
01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:24,499
if it's going to be good or bad change.
1291
01:37:41,250 --> 01:37:48,802
Marián Kočner was sentenced to 19 years in prison for the
financial fraud unrelated to the murders of Ján and Martina.
1292
01:37:50,606 --> 01:37:58,478
Alena Zsuzsová was sentenced to 21 years in prison for taking
part in an unrelated assassination of a Slovak mayor in 2010.
1293
01:38:00,765 --> 01:38:08,194
The Supreme Court rejected the not guilty verdicts for Marián Kočner
and Alena Zsuzsová in relation to the murders of Ján and Martina.
1294
01:38:08,219 --> 01:38:16,219
The case was sent back to the Special Criminal
Court and re-trial started in Frebruary 2022.
1295
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:24,280
Prosecutors merged the case with charges that Kočner and Zsuzsová
also conspired to assassinate two prosecutors and a lawyer.
1296
01:38:24,321 --> 01:38:30,187
A final verdict is yet to be handed down.
1297
01:38:31,442 --> 01:38:37,890
In April 2022 prosecutors charged three more
individuals with creating an organized crime group:
1298
01:38:37,915 --> 01:38:40,585
Former Minister of Interior Robert Kaliñák.
1299
01:38:40,609 --> 01:38:44,233
Former Prime Minister Robert Fico.
1300
01:38:44,281 --> 01:38:47,726
Attorney Marek Para
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