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- I used to carry around
a little card in my wallet.
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Printed on it was a passage
written by
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Pulitzer Prize-winning
playwright William Saroyan.
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His words have served me
as a a kind of
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aspirational instruction
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on how I might best
live my life.
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In its few
and poignant paragraphs
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I held it as a Bible of sorts.
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Its thoughts had resonated
deeply with me
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from a young age
and on a visceral level
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and for decades.
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But it had not become
so crystal clear
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in its relevance until
this past year and half
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as I made seven trips
to and from Ukraine
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for the making of this film.
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- For those of you watching,
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Vladimir Putin
has just declared
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that a special military
operation is now underway.
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- This speech
by Vladimir Putin
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basically saying
that this war
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is on the hands
of the Ukrainians who resist.
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Oh. I tell you what.
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I just heard a big bang.
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- And the distinct sound
of explosions
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on the horizon here in Kyiv.
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- Go, go, go.
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- A democratic country
has been invaded
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by its nuclear-armed
neighbor.
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- At least three explosions
rocked the capital of Kyiv.
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- We should go
a little bit faster.
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- Russia is picking off
Ukraine's military facilities
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one after another.
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- No, no, guys.
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- Okay.
- What the fuck is going on?
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♪
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- If the Russians
did attack,
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they'd have a short run
to Kharkiv.
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We're driving north
towards the border
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with Russia,
which is now about
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15 or 20 minutes away.
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About half an hour beyond that
is the city of...
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- I really want to get back
over there.
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- They pulled back
logistical units
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that they could move back
to bases
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that are already close by.
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All the, like, the things
that would be essential for--
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to take Kyiv
they've left in place.
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- But then the counterpoint
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from the Unites States'
position is that
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they've also moved things
in what looks like
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a strategic movement towards--
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- You have to spend this money
to train the troops
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on logistics
on how you make these moves.
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- I had a conversation
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with a former
State Department official,
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and he, like us,
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"I don't think it's going
to happen" kind of feel.
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Some of these pieces will
be edited out of the film,
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because it might be us saying,
"It's not going to happen.
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- And then they fucking...
- No.
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In fact, though,
it's a valuable time capsule
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to, you know...
- With feeling.
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- Yes, we will admit it.
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But it's not going to happen.
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- Erin's hearing
from the Zelensky office.
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How do you feel about
jumping on the plane Sunday?
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- Let's say things get weird
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and they shut down airlines...
- Right.
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- Into Kyiv,
should we go to Poland?
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- There's a natural
kind of avenue to get there.
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We fly in and drive in.
- Yeah.
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Is there a train?
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- I'll check on the train.
- Fuck, that was tits.
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That was really great.
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That was one of
the great nights in my life
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just being able to look
out the window
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at the distant little lights
and villages.
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- So...
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- We're gonna follow your lead,
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because we're starting
from zero.
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- Okay.
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♪
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♪
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♪
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- This project started with,
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"Oh,
what a cute human interest.
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"This comedic actor,
this nice little guy
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"has become
the president of Ukraine.
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This is going to be funny."
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I talked to Sean about it
just as a friend.
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I said, "Oh,
I'm doing this, you know,
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this project on Zelensky."
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And Sean said, "Oh, you know,
I've been watching
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"a little bit about this guy.
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He seems, like,
really interesting."
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And I've seen Sean do this
with other things
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and people
that he finds interesting.
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- Before the quake,
actor Sean Penn
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had never been to Haiti.
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He has been there almost
full-time since January.
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- I've often been asked,
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"What's a Hollywood
actor doing
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by going to places
of disaster..."
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- We arrived in Baghdad
this morning.
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- "Of conflict..."
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I cannot conceive why they
would not have shared
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the evidence
of weapons of mass destruction.
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- Remember that Sean Penn
is an arrogant
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and self-involved person.
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- You know, even his poop
doesn't stink.
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- "Spending time with alleged
enemies of America
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- Two-time Oscar winner
Sean Penn...
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- "Or much worse?
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- Shaking hands
with El Chapo.
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Who do you think you are,
Walter Cronkite?"
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- Unbelievable,
you see these celebrities...
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"Do you have
a savior complex?"
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- Just stick to what
you're good at,
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but stay out of our politics.
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I just don't quite get why CNN
keeps having him on.
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- What really motivates you,
Sean Penn?
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The best response
that I've ever
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been able to muster
is that I'm curious.
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I've been lucky in life to
be able to afford to travel.
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And weathered
though it is,
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my famous face
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gets me access
to places and people
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I may otherwise
not have known.
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And sometimes I feel
I can be helpful.
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This film is unusual.
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When Billy Smith and I set out
to make this film
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there'd been no recent sign
of accelerated threat
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to Ukraine by Russia.
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Most of what I knew
about President Zelensky
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was that he had too
had been an actor
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and that as president
he had the very unfortunate
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international perception
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of having an attempt
at him being puppeted
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by then U.S. president
Donald Trump.
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- Tonight
an explosive allegation
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by a government whistleblower.
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- It details
President Trump's conversation
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with the Ukrainian president.
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- It was on that call
President Trump
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told the Ukrainian president,
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"I would like you
to do us a favor.
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- Suddenly I had to do
what I do,
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listen to smart people.
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- In the early 1990s, when
the Soviet Union collapsed,
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Ukraine had on its territory
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the world's third-largest
nuclear arsenal.
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If you go back and you look
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at the George H.W. Bush
administration
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and then the first year
or two
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of the Clinton administration,
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a real focus was on getting
rid of those nuclear weapons.
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And the Ukrainians
at the end of the day
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were prepared to do that.
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Their one condition was,
they said, "Look,
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"nuclear weapons
offer security.
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If we get rid of them,
how do you replace that?"
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And we came up with something
that seemed like a good idea
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at the time.
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And it was
the Budapest Memorandum
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on Security Assurances,
where the United States,
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Britain, and Russia said,
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"We will respect
your sovereignty,
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"your territorial integrity,
your independence.
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"And we will not use
or threaten
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to use force against you."
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Russians, of course,
have violated all of that.
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- We'd originally set out
to tell the whimsical tale
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of a real-world president,
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who had been
a comedy superstar
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in a series
about a rural history teacher
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who becomes a president
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only later
to actually become one.
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- Reality
had mirrored fiction,
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and Zelensky
had made it difficult
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for many of us to know
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where the television president
ended and the real one began.
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- It was feeling
ever more strangely
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like a movie within a movie
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within a movie.
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What would it take
for Ukraine
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to be accepted into NATO?
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- NATO said,
"Enlargement will be a matter
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"between the alliance
and the country in question
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and no third parties."
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Well, I think
it's fairly obvious
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Russia's gotten
a de facto vote.
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I think the concern here is,
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if Ukraine joins NATO
on Monday,
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on Tuesday, is NATO
then at war with Russia?
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- The situation
in and around Ukraine
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remains fluid
and unpredictable.
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There is no certainty
about Russia's intentions.
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We see a significant
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and unusual
concentration of forces,
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which is, you know,
unjustified and unexplained.
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- And with the current
Russian buildups...
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- Yeah.
- How does that go
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for a president like Zelensky?
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- I think Zelensky
is a problem for Putin
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in the sense
that he contradicts
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the Russian narrative.
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I mean, the Russian
narrative of Ukraine
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is that there's an ultra-right
neo-Nazi government
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that hates Russia
and hates Russians,
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including Ukrainians
who are ethnic Russians.
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Zelensky is a problem
for that.
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He's Jewish.
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- Let's be serious.
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We're now living in the world
where...
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He made an entertainment
empire making movies,
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coming to shows all over
the post-Soviet space.
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He was a star in Russia
as well.
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- The situation
was changing
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and feeling more urgent
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for us as trying to tell
a story about Zelensky
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to get over there
as soon as possible
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to give Sean a feel
for the place
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before it all
might go sideways.
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♪
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- We took in a bit
of nightlife,
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met with some veterans
of the Crimea invasion...
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Then ultimately with
a very big and strong man
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who was posed to challenge
Zelensky for the presidency.
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- Vitali Klitschko has made
history as a boxer.
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- Vitali Klitschko
retained his share
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of the heavyweight title.
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- But he's recently
left the ring
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for a far more dangerous
arena.
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- Right now
I continue my fight,
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because I see the great
future of my country.
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- There's a lot of parallels
between Ukraine
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and the United States today
politically.
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One of them is how people
define freedom.
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- Regarding Ukraine,
it's our freedom
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to be independent,
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independent to make
a decision where we go.
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Not so many people know
about Ukraine,
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because we're
a very young country.
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We just celebrate
30 years' independency.
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We was in Soviet Union,
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and somebody have an idea
to rebuild
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big Russian empire.
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- Somebody has an idea
to rebuild the Soviet Empire?
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- Yeah.
- Yeah. That's right. Okay.
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- We don't want back to USSR.
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We're fighting
to build democracy,
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to have a choice.
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To be part of modern world,
I guess, is freedom.
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But just after 2014,
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we clearly understand
what this mean,
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territorial integrity
and independency.
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People pay for that
highest price.
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- Thousands upon thousands
of demonstrators
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have taken to the streets
furious with the government
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of President
Viktor Yanukovych.
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- Yanukovych reversed
his decision to sign
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a long-awaited trade deal
with the European Union
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in a move that favored
stronger ties with Russia.
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- I can't imagine us living
in the pre-Maidan times,
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in the country
with authoritarian rule.
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We didn't have
strong institutions
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that were pro-Ukranian.
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Our information space
was merged with Russia.
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We didn't think much
about Ukrainian identity,
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but people changed.
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- I am Ukrainian.
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We are not a Soviet Union.
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We want to be free.
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Maidan was such
an empowering moment
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for my generation.
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Like, each of us,
we felt that our voice matter,
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our persistence matters,
and that we can win.
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- Before Maidan,
Ukraine was kind of
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a gray area on the map.
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- No one understood
what's really the difference
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between Ukraine and Russia.
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We were completely, like,
in this kleptocratic state,
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like, where everyone
was stealing everything.
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And one of the goals
of this protest
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was to clean up corruption
from Ukrainian government.
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And it was so hard.
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♪
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- Fallen bodies
in the streets of Kyiv.
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Protesters confronting
security services,
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who respond
with live ammunition.
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- We're hearing
from medical officials
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that possibly
100 people have died.
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That figure is going
to inflame
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an awful lot of anger.
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♪
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- Ukrainians have
this historical willingness
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to be a democratic state.
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And because it is so hard
to get,
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it becomes very precious.
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♪
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- At the ceremony, the lady
who spoke before you said
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he wanted to build Europe here.
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Is that dream one
that will be realized
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in the future of Ukraine?
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- Euromaidan gave a great push
to build our own sense
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of responsibility.
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We started to realize,
it's our country.
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We have to do something.
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- In a special session,
Ukraine's parliament
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voted to remove
President Viktor Yanukovych.
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- He fled to Russia,
urging Moscow to retaliate.
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- Annexation of Crimea
was made possible
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because of Euromaidan.
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It allowed Putin
to switch on the propaganda.
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- Shame on me having focused
so little of my attention
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on Ukraine's 2004
Orange Revolution
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or its significant leader,
Viktor Yushchenko.
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After being elected president
in 2005,
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Yushchenko became Ukraine's
first modern leader
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to stand up for Ukraine's
sovereignty
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against Russia's unrelentingly
invasive grip.
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While I,
like most Americans,
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remembered little beyond
the headlines
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about the dioxin poisoning
of Yushchenko
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by Russian assets,
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this had been
a sanguine moment
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in Ukraine's
sovereign evolution.
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In the ten politically corrupt
and chaotic years
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of disappointment
that followed,
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the masses had maintained
that rumble of freedom calling
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until that rumble
became the river
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that burst into Maidan.
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♪
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- We were all through
eastern Ukraine,
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00:19:04,577 --> 00:19:07,928
and we traveled down
to Mariupol.
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00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:10,931
- Mariupol, which had been so
consistently scarred
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00:19:10,975 --> 00:19:14,457
since 2014,
would later become the site
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of so much death
and destruction.
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♪
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Why did you decide to serve?
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00:19:41,135 --> 00:19:42,702
- And you rose to position
of commander?
346
00:19:56,325 --> 00:19:57,500
- And you're a sniper?
347
00:20:01,982 --> 00:20:04,158
- It's November 2021.
348
00:20:04,202 --> 00:20:05,943
Where is general troop morale?
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00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:29,836
- After Maidan, it was hard
to imagine myself
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anywhere else in the world,
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00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,711
because Ukraine
is a country in the making.
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00:20:34,754 --> 00:20:38,584
And, like, being a part
of the historical process
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00:20:38,628 --> 00:20:41,195
of building a state,
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it's bigger than anything.
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Like, you're building
something
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that will influence life of
people for hundreds of years.
357
00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:53,904
- After Maidan,
people expected
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a new political elite,
a new government
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will change
the situation dramatically,
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00:21:00,127 --> 00:21:02,434
will fight corruption,
will change internal rules,
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and so on and so forth.
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00:21:04,131 --> 00:21:06,395
But, unfortunately,
the old corrupted elite--
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Western-related
but still corrupted--
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came to power.
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00:21:10,616 --> 00:21:12,183
- He was one of the wealthiest
people in the country
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from day one.
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00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:16,753
- Ukrainians perceived
Poroshenko, many of them,
368
00:21:16,796 --> 00:21:20,365
as another oligarch,
a rich man going to power
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00:21:20,409 --> 00:21:22,889
and becoming
even more rich man.
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- There's a saying here,
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which may sound bad,
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but as long
as there's corruption,
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you can count on justice.
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00:21:40,429 --> 00:21:42,561
- This kind of idea
of Ukrainians,
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00:21:42,605 --> 00:21:46,086
that there are oligarchs
who privatized the country,
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00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:48,306
and they put
the private interests
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00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:50,177
over the public interests.
378
00:21:50,221 --> 00:21:52,789
So Zelensky
was playing on this,
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00:21:52,832 --> 00:21:55,095
that, "I will come,
and I will break this system."
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00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:59,883
- His political life began
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00:21:59,926 --> 00:22:03,321
with that really incredible
coup on New Year's Eve.
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00:22:05,715 --> 00:22:08,805
- Zelensky was, you know,
ally with Kolomoisky,
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00:22:08,848 --> 00:22:10,372
one of the oligarchs.
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00:22:10,415 --> 00:22:12,983
And Kolomoisky TV channel,
1+1,
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00:22:13,026 --> 00:22:16,029
instead of address
of the president, Poroshenko,
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00:22:16,073 --> 00:22:18,380
they put address of Zelensky.
387
00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:25,474
- Zelensky has done a lot
to try to separate himself
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00:22:25,517 --> 00:22:27,432
from Kolomoisky,
but I don't get the sense
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00:22:27,476 --> 00:22:29,521
that he's as compromised
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00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:32,002
as someone
like Viktor Yanukovych
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00:22:32,045 --> 00:22:35,353
or Petro Poroshenko,
who are legitimate oligarchs.
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00:22:35,397 --> 00:22:37,442
- In Ukraine, it's not
necessarily a country
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00:22:37,486 --> 00:22:39,270
that's black and white;
it's shades of gray.
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00:22:39,313 --> 00:22:41,054
- Here's a young kid, pure,
395
00:22:41,098 --> 00:22:42,491
innocent, white,
fluffy bunny rabbit
396
00:22:42,534 --> 00:22:43,927
untouched by the dirt
of politics.
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00:22:45,885 --> 00:22:46,843
- He knows what to do.
398
00:23:03,163 --> 00:23:04,948
- I saw his show,
"The Servant of the People,"
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00:23:04,991 --> 00:23:07,646
exactly what he would do
if he was president,
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00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:10,344
which is destroy oligarchy,
destroy corruption.
401
00:23:26,578 --> 00:23:27,884
Be careful.
402
00:23:27,927 --> 00:23:30,452
- He was one
of the most famous actor
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00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:32,845
not just in Ukraine,
of all territory
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00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:34,325
of the Soviet Union.
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00:23:34,368 --> 00:23:38,721
He not be an actor
who is sitting and waiting,
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00:23:38,764 --> 00:23:40,287
what happened around him.
407
00:23:40,331 --> 00:23:42,464
He was producer.
He was director.
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00:23:44,553 --> 00:23:45,467
- Whoo-hoo!
409
00:24:11,101 --> 00:24:13,190
- The choice is very simple,
either or.
410
00:24:13,233 --> 00:24:15,105
Zelensky is hope.
411
00:24:15,148 --> 00:24:17,499
- Sometimes he is not
very well-prepared.
412
00:24:17,542 --> 00:24:18,543
- He's really trying.
413
00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:20,284
It's just, like, not his role.
414
00:24:20,327 --> 00:24:22,068
- I mean, we don't know
what he thinks
415
00:24:22,112 --> 00:24:24,157
about almost anything.
- Well, indeed.
416
00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:26,203
- Test out the policies
in the TV show.
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00:24:26,246 --> 00:24:27,726
See if they bump, you know,
and implement them.
418
00:24:27,770 --> 00:24:29,119
- Yes.
419
00:24:32,992 --> 00:24:34,341
- Zelensky came in,
420
00:24:34,385 --> 00:24:35,734
a political novice,
supposedly,
421
00:24:35,778 --> 00:24:37,649
but I think he ran
an excellent campaign.
422
00:24:37,693 --> 00:24:39,172
You know, his themes were,
"I'm going to fight corruption.
423
00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:40,434
"I'm going to grow the economy.
424
00:24:40,478 --> 00:24:42,349
"We're going to stop
the war with Russia,
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00:24:42,393 --> 00:24:43,742
and we're going to get
our territory back."
426
00:24:51,445 --> 00:24:53,578
- We are living
in the country
427
00:24:53,622 --> 00:24:55,580
in which all the presidents
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00:24:55,624 --> 00:24:58,191
was from
some politic elite.
429
00:24:58,235 --> 00:25:02,065
I've been not sure
that it can be possible,
430
00:25:02,108 --> 00:25:04,284
but I was sure about him.
431
00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:05,677
Absolutely.
432
00:25:09,986 --> 00:25:13,729
- A political earthquake took
place in Ukraine this weekend.
433
00:25:13,772 --> 00:25:16,949
On Sunday an electorate
sick of the status quo
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00:25:16,993 --> 00:25:19,952
voted overwhelmingly
for a political satirist.
435
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:05,345
- We were meeting
with people every day
436
00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:07,521
while waiting
for it all to line up
437
00:26:07,565 --> 00:26:08,914
to meet with the president.
438
00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:10,568
Between people on the street,
439
00:26:10,612 --> 00:26:12,178
people in bars
and restaurants,
440
00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:13,876
people from all walks of life,
441
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,573
I don't think
we found anybody
442
00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:18,010
who said, "This is the guy."
443
00:26:18,054 --> 00:26:19,055
Did you vote for him?
444
00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:24,321
- Were you a fan
of "Servant of the People"?
445
00:26:26,845 --> 00:26:29,108
- I think a lot of people
who voted for them
446
00:26:29,152 --> 00:26:30,544
were also confused,
447
00:26:30,588 --> 00:26:33,809
and they were choosing, like,
from lesser evil.
448
00:26:33,852 --> 00:26:35,158
- I didn't vote for him,
449
00:26:35,201 --> 00:26:37,116
and I was very skeptical
about him.
450
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,641
He did belong
to Russian world.
451
00:26:39,684 --> 00:26:43,383
He worked
and made money in Russia.
452
00:26:43,427 --> 00:26:46,343
I think that for a long time,
453
00:26:46,386 --> 00:26:50,086
he expected that he could find
some understanding.
454
00:27:07,581 --> 00:27:10,323
- Who is Zelensky to you?
455
00:27:10,367 --> 00:27:12,151
- He's the president,
you know?
456
00:27:12,195 --> 00:27:16,286
I don't vote for him,
because for me,
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00:27:16,329 --> 00:27:20,769
president in Ukraine
must be a man with the balls.
458
00:27:20,812 --> 00:27:25,774
Because when we have president
which want to speak
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00:27:25,817 --> 00:27:28,080
with the Russians
about the peace,
460
00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:29,255
what the fuck, man?
461
00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:31,736
Russians don't care
about peace.
462
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:35,131
- How old were each of you
when you went to fight?
463
00:27:35,174 --> 00:27:36,828
- I was 27.
- 35.
464
00:27:36,872 --> 00:27:38,308
- What led you to it?
465
00:27:38,351 --> 00:27:39,962
- My father was born
in Crimea.
466
00:27:40,005 --> 00:27:42,616
My mother lived in Donetsk.
467
00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:46,795
And Crimea and Donetsk
now is occupied by Russians.
468
00:27:46,838 --> 00:27:49,362
So I don't want Russians
in my house.
469
00:27:49,406 --> 00:27:51,408
Our neighbors,
fucking neighbors.
470
00:27:51,451 --> 00:27:53,497
- Da, fucking neighbors.
471
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:55,368
Fucking neighbors.
472
00:27:55,412 --> 00:27:56,979
- We're currently
in this situation
473
00:27:57,022 --> 00:27:59,982
where there's
a major Russian buildup.
474
00:28:00,025 --> 00:28:03,376
- We live with this
for 7 1/2 years.
475
00:28:03,420 --> 00:28:07,119
We understand that
they can go to war at us.
476
00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:09,513
So maybe for United citizens,
477
00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:11,297
it's like, you know...
478
00:28:11,341 --> 00:28:15,214
For Ukrainians, it's like,
"Okay, we know, yeah."
479
00:28:15,258 --> 00:28:17,521
When your enemy is Russian,
480
00:28:17,564 --> 00:28:20,872
you must be fucking tough guy.
481
00:28:20,916 --> 00:28:23,309
And it's a time when president
482
00:28:23,353 --> 00:28:27,923
must, mm,
do some difficult decisions.
483
00:28:30,142 --> 00:28:32,492
- More now
on our top national story.
484
00:28:32,536 --> 00:28:33,972
The whistleblower
485
00:28:34,016 --> 00:28:35,495
at the center
of the impeachment inquiry
486
00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:37,410
by the House
of Representatives alleged
487
00:28:37,454 --> 00:28:40,109
that President Trump abused
the power of his office.
488
00:28:40,152 --> 00:28:41,501
- President repeatedly urged
489
00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:43,765
Ukrainian president
Volodymyr Zelensky
490
00:28:43,808 --> 00:28:45,810
to investigate
his political rival.
491
00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:47,594
- Allegations
of a quid pro quo,
492
00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:49,466
that U.S. president
Donald Trump
493
00:28:49,509 --> 00:28:51,511
made military aid to Ukraine
494
00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:53,339
dependent on the country
digging up dirt
495
00:28:53,383 --> 00:28:54,776
on Trump's
political opponent.
496
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,826
- It is improper for the
president of the United States
497
00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:05,090
to demand a foreign government
investigate a U.S. citizen
498
00:29:05,134 --> 00:29:06,352
and a political opponent.
499
00:29:06,396 --> 00:29:07,789
We missed a huge opportunity
500
00:29:07,832 --> 00:29:09,094
because
of the Ukrainian scandal
501
00:29:09,138 --> 00:29:10,704
to work with Zelensky.
502
00:29:10,748 --> 00:29:14,317
And also, those moments
indicated to Putin
503
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:15,709
that there was
an opportunity here.
504
00:29:15,753 --> 00:29:18,625
You don't have to worry
about the U.S. government
505
00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:19,975
coming down on you
like a hammer.
506
00:29:20,018 --> 00:29:21,977
This is a wedge issue.
507
00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:23,413
We could separate, you know,
the parties,
508
00:29:23,456 --> 00:29:24,849
the bipartisan support.
509
00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:26,590
If we didn't have that,
510
00:29:26,633 --> 00:29:29,593
maybe we could have warned off
Russia's aggression.
511
00:29:29,636 --> 00:29:32,204
- I can see you're angry
with President Trump.
512
00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:35,164
Maybe a little bit, huh?
513
00:29:35,207 --> 00:29:38,994
A little bit?
514
00:29:39,037 --> 00:29:40,952
- Zelensky
is incredibly careful.
515
00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:43,955
And, I mean, at that point,
you can tell he understands
516
00:29:43,999 --> 00:29:46,436
that there's a huge trap here,
517
00:29:46,479 --> 00:29:48,133
and he very carefully
walks around it.
518
00:29:50,396 --> 00:29:52,659
And then in December of 2019
519
00:29:52,703 --> 00:29:54,792
there's a summit meeting
in Paris.
520
00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:57,099
President Macron of France,
Chancellor Merkel of Germany,
521
00:29:57,142 --> 00:29:58,970
they're there with Putin
and Zelensky,
522
00:29:59,014 --> 00:30:02,104
tried to mediate a solution
to the conflict in Donbas.
523
00:30:09,938 --> 00:30:10,939
- I think Putin
kind of thought
524
00:30:10,982 --> 00:30:12,636
he could play Zelensky,
525
00:30:12,679 --> 00:30:14,377
but he challenged Putin
in a way that I think
526
00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:15,944
Putin was kind of
surprised about.
527
00:30:54,808 --> 00:30:56,114
- How does this play out now?
528
00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:59,552
- Now we have the same Putin,
529
00:30:59,596 --> 00:31:01,772
but we have
absolutely different Ukraine
530
00:31:01,815 --> 00:31:05,907
and absolutely different mood
in your country.
531
00:31:05,950 --> 00:31:07,430
- While Zelensky had coalesced
532
00:31:07,473 --> 00:31:09,432
a new centrism in Ukraine,
533
00:31:09,475 --> 00:31:11,303
the United States
had fallen into
534
00:31:11,347 --> 00:31:14,132
a populist lap dance
of extremes.
535
00:31:14,176 --> 00:31:17,005
We'd all been feeling
the unimaginatively toxic
536
00:31:17,048 --> 00:31:19,224
divisiveness at home,
537
00:31:19,268 --> 00:31:21,009
so to see Ukraine's vibrant,
young,
538
00:31:21,052 --> 00:31:23,489
and united democracy downrage
539
00:31:23,533 --> 00:31:26,231
of Russian tyranny
was chilling.
540
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:47,035
- If Putin goes
full-strength forward
541
00:31:47,078 --> 00:31:48,732
using conventional weapons,
542
00:31:48,775 --> 00:31:50,908
is Ukraine ready?
543
00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:56,000
♪
544
00:33:17,908 --> 00:33:21,346
- I want protect my country,
my mom, my family.
545
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:25,568
To protect democracy is
really important to everyone.
546
00:33:25,611 --> 00:33:28,223
All Ukrainians,
we all is strong.
547
00:33:28,266 --> 00:33:31,965
And I know that our future
is great and big
548
00:33:32,009 --> 00:33:33,489
for everyone Ukrainian.
549
00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:02,822
- In a 2005 address
to the Russian Federation
550
00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:05,390
Putin said,
"We are a free nation,
551
00:34:05,434 --> 00:34:07,349
"and our place
in the modern world
552
00:34:07,392 --> 00:34:09,829
"will be defined
only by how successful
553
00:34:09,873 --> 00:34:11,396
and strong we are."
554
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,615
His statement played out
as mockery
555
00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:15,487
in the absolutely
authoritarianism
556
00:34:15,530 --> 00:34:18,099
he'd adopted
in the years that followed.
557
00:34:18,142 --> 00:34:20,318
But its true embodiment
was happening
558
00:34:20,362 --> 00:34:22,277
in the sovereign Ukraine.
559
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,541
And we could feel
its simmering unification.
560
00:34:25,584 --> 00:34:27,630
It was a different kind
of air I was breathing.
561
00:34:51,262 --> 00:34:53,046
♪
562
00:34:56,006 --> 00:35:01,446
♪
563
00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:48,667
- So fucking great.
564
00:35:54,325 --> 00:35:56,109
♪
565
00:35:56,153 --> 00:35:58,242
- There has been a dramatic
and worrying shift
566
00:35:58,286 --> 00:36:02,333
in Russia's readiness to
attack in the past 48 hours.
567
00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:04,466
Russia has now moved
rocket launchers
568
00:36:04,509 --> 00:36:09,384
and long-range artillery
into firing positions.
569
00:36:09,427 --> 00:36:11,386
- Vladimir Putin,
in a dramatic escalation,
570
00:36:11,429 --> 00:36:13,475
announcing tonight
he's sending Russian troops
571
00:36:13,518 --> 00:36:15,259
into eastern Ukraine.
572
00:36:40,980 --> 00:36:47,813
♪
573
00:36:47,857 --> 00:36:49,032
- Hello.
574
00:36:49,075 --> 00:36:50,816
- Fernando,
we have a camera on you.
575
00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:52,209
- Okay.
576
00:36:52,253 --> 00:36:53,558
- What was your impression
577
00:36:53,602 --> 00:36:55,038
of Putin's speech
the other night?
578
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,267
- But what is your
human perception
579
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:08,660
of his state of mind?
580
00:37:12,273 --> 00:37:17,234
♪
581
00:37:17,278 --> 00:37:20,193
- Up until last night
I had some faith
582
00:37:20,237 --> 00:37:24,546
that maybe there is some plan
that Putin had in his mind,
583
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:27,113
bust just on his demeanor
584
00:37:27,157 --> 00:37:28,550
he may not be rational,
585
00:37:28,593 --> 00:37:30,334
and maybe we should seriously
consider the fact
586
00:37:30,378 --> 00:37:33,206
that there's a madman
in Europe again.
587
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:34,599
- I don't think
he's an irrational man.
588
00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:35,992
I don't think it was
a crazy speech.
589
00:37:36,035 --> 00:37:37,559
- He challenged Ukraine's right
to exist.
590
00:37:37,602 --> 00:37:41,345
- He makes all sorts
of absurd assertions,
591
00:37:41,389 --> 00:37:43,782
like, you know,
"Ukrainians are attacking
592
00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:45,958
Russian soil"
and that sort of thing,
593
00:37:46,002 --> 00:37:48,657
but in some ways I think the
point that he's making is that,
594
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,356
"You Americans behave this way
for decades already.
595
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,098
And now I'm gonna behave
this way myself."
596
00:37:55,141 --> 00:37:56,665
And I think Zelensky
has a problem,
597
00:37:56,708 --> 00:37:58,231
because he's the target.
598
00:37:58,275 --> 00:37:59,624
They want a regime change here.
599
00:38:06,065 --> 00:38:07,110
- People would never support
some puppet--
600
00:38:07,153 --> 00:38:08,241
- No, no, no.
- No.
601
00:38:08,285 --> 00:38:09,678
- Isn't it ridiculous, though,
602
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:12,637
that they got to this point
because of their hubris.
603
00:38:12,681 --> 00:38:14,900
Zelensky comes to power saying,
604
00:38:14,944 --> 00:38:16,554
"I can make a deal.
605
00:38:16,598 --> 00:38:19,644
"I'm not particularly wedded
to any ideological position.
606
00:38:19,688 --> 00:38:21,864
"Language, politics,
don't care about it.
607
00:38:21,907 --> 00:38:23,169
"Ukrainization,
don't care about it.
608
00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:24,823
"I just want peace.
609
00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:26,434
I want everybody in Ukraine
to live like what they want."
610
00:38:26,477 --> 00:38:28,305
He says,
"Let's have a dialogue."
611
00:38:28,349 --> 00:38:29,698
None of it works.
612
00:38:29,741 --> 00:38:32,091
Putin says,
"Meh, meh, no, no deal."
613
00:38:32,135 --> 00:38:33,266
I--you know--
- "You're a nationalist."
614
00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:34,485
- Yeah, "You're a nationalist."
615
00:38:34,529 --> 00:38:36,618
And he keeps calling him
a Nazi Jew.
616
00:38:36,661 --> 00:38:38,924
Putin kept calling him
a nationalist so many times
617
00:38:38,968 --> 00:38:41,318
that ultimately it's like,
"Okay, fine.
618
00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:44,756
NATO, I'm gonna speak Ukrainian
in public all the time."
619
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,455
'Cause there's nothing that
the people in the Kremlin
620
00:38:47,498 --> 00:38:50,414
are willing to do in order
to make a dialogue happen.
621
00:38:50,458 --> 00:38:52,373
- Isn't it a story of, like
Russia's policy
622
00:38:52,416 --> 00:38:53,548
against Ukraine
the last eight years?
623
00:38:53,591 --> 00:38:54,984
Every single things
they've done
624
00:38:55,027 --> 00:38:56,246
has completely backfired
on them.
625
00:38:56,289 --> 00:38:57,334
- Totally.
- They thought they'd launch
626
00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:59,554
a war to split
this country apart,
627
00:38:59,597 --> 00:39:00,903
and it actually unified
the country.
628
00:39:00,946 --> 00:39:03,384
And I think in my
interpretation last night is,
629
00:39:03,427 --> 00:39:04,776
this is about vengeance.
630
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:06,474
He's angry.
631
00:39:06,517 --> 00:39:08,693
This country wants to divorce
itself from Russia forever,
632
00:39:08,737 --> 00:39:10,129
and he wants it back.
633
00:39:10,173 --> 00:39:12,393
- Yeah, and there's
this ideology in Russia
634
00:39:12,436 --> 00:39:14,873
Slovak people can't have
a democracy,
635
00:39:14,917 --> 00:39:16,353
and, you know,
Russians actually believe it,
636
00:39:16,397 --> 00:39:17,963
and then, if, you know,
if they have something
637
00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:20,139
that's successful here, it is
an existential threat to them.
638
00:39:46,644 --> 00:39:48,124
- We're looking
at something now,
639
00:39:48,167 --> 00:39:50,866
we're gonna have air power,
missiles, cyberattacks,
640
00:39:50,909 --> 00:39:52,345
jamming GPS.
641
00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:53,434
It's--
642
00:39:53,477 --> 00:39:55,697
- If it happens like that.
643
00:39:55,740 --> 00:39:57,307
- But I think if--if--
644
00:39:57,350 --> 00:39:59,483
- I think the chances
are up to 10% of--
645
00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:00,745
- Ooh.
646
00:40:00,789 --> 00:40:02,312
- I say, for me,
it's 50/50 right now.
647
00:40:02,355 --> 00:40:05,750
- 50/50 of Kyiv on fire.
- Yes.
648
00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:07,360
- I mean, I just think
the U.S. government
649
00:40:07,404 --> 00:40:09,362
isn't worrying
about these things for nothing.
650
00:40:10,581 --> 00:40:12,975
- Have you been to Russia?
651
00:40:13,018 --> 00:40:17,370
♪
652
00:40:17,414 --> 00:40:20,243
- In 2001 Jack Nicholson
and I had a film
653
00:40:20,286 --> 00:40:24,203
at the Moscow Film Festival.
654
00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:26,554
That night has become
a deviant memory.
655
00:40:26,597 --> 00:40:31,733
♪
656
00:40:34,779 --> 00:40:37,521
♪
657
00:40:37,565 --> 00:40:39,871
- Rising tension has prompted
the United States
658
00:40:39,915 --> 00:40:43,440
to remove its personnel from
the U.S. embassy in Ukraine.
659
00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:44,833
- The U.S. State Department
660
00:40:44,876 --> 00:40:47,183
issuing its highest level,
level 4,
661
00:40:47,226 --> 00:40:48,706
"do not travel" advisory.
662
00:40:50,926 --> 00:40:54,886
- It felt increasingly
like Putin's special operation
663
00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:56,497
was coming our way.
664
00:41:04,896 --> 00:41:08,073
- The U.S. is rushing more
military aid to the country,
665
00:41:08,117 --> 00:41:09,771
the first shipment
666
00:41:09,814 --> 00:41:11,947
of a new $200 million
package arriving,
667
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:13,644
including ammunition.
668
00:41:13,688 --> 00:41:16,212
- You are likely
in the last few hours
669
00:41:16,255 --> 00:41:18,954
of peace
on the European continent
670
00:41:18,997 --> 00:41:20,651
for a long time to come.
671
00:41:20,695 --> 00:41:23,480
- Vladimir Putin
has just addressed
672
00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:26,222
the Russian people moments ago
announcing what Putin called
673
00:41:26,265 --> 00:41:28,572
the start of
a military special operation,
674
00:41:28,616 --> 00:41:32,271
in his words,
to demilitarize Ukraine.
675
00:41:32,315 --> 00:41:34,578
- We may be witnessing now
what is the beginning
676
00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:39,931
of the bloodiest conflict
in Europe since World War II.
677
00:41:39,975 --> 00:41:42,586
- Russian president
Vladimir Putin
678
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:45,981
has 150,000-plus troops
near the border.
679
00:41:56,469 --> 00:41:57,775
- Russia has got forces
effectively
680
00:41:57,819 --> 00:41:59,385
surrounding Ukraine
on three sides,
681
00:41:59,429 --> 00:42:01,213
by land and sea and air.
682
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:20,406
- We were nearing the end
of our scheduled week in Kyiv
683
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:22,757
when we got the called
we'd been waiting for.
684
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,977
It was February 23, 2022,
685
00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:28,023
when our first
in-person meeting
686
00:42:28,066 --> 00:42:29,459
with President Zelensky
would happen.
687
00:42:32,331 --> 00:42:33,811
We did not bring our cameras.
688
00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:36,771
I myself am suspicious
of trusts built
689
00:42:36,814 --> 00:42:38,860
on electronic communications.
690
00:42:38,903 --> 00:42:40,949
I wanted the president
to have an opportunity
691
00:42:40,992 --> 00:42:43,952
of sizing me up in person
before asking him to commit
692
00:42:43,995 --> 00:42:46,563
to participate in our film.
693
00:42:46,607 --> 00:42:49,218
By the end of our meeting
he did indeed commit to us
694
00:42:49,261 --> 00:42:52,656
bringing out cameras
on the following day.
695
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,659
On any other day
I might have been ecstatic.
696
00:42:55,703 --> 00:42:59,097
But this was not anyone's
average day on planet Earth.
697
00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:02,579
And both this warm,
young president I'd just met
698
00:43:02,623 --> 00:43:04,755
and his nation were in
699
00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:07,062
a heart-wrenching degree
of danger.
700
00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:12,197
- Sean, I just talked
to the security guy.
701
00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:14,722
We have to leave the country
in the morning.
702
00:43:14,765 --> 00:43:17,768
Yeah, so we'll try to meet
the president tomorrow.
703
00:43:17,812 --> 00:43:19,552
- There's a big difference
in my conversation
704
00:43:19,596 --> 00:43:23,687
about leaving one day early
versus leaving tomorrow.
705
00:43:23,731 --> 00:43:26,647
I don't--I'm not prepared
to leave tomorrow.
706
00:43:31,477 --> 00:43:34,567
Who do you think you are,
Geraldo Rivera?
707
00:43:37,614 --> 00:43:43,185
♪
708
00:43:43,228 --> 00:43:46,623
- The war in Ukraine
has begun.
709
00:43:46,667 --> 00:43:50,540
- Three explosions rocked the
capital of Kyiv this morning.
710
00:43:50,583 --> 00:43:52,281
A rocket hit
an apartment building
711
00:43:52,324 --> 00:43:53,717
starting a fire.
712
00:43:53,761 --> 00:43:57,678
- When was the last time
you heard something?
713
00:43:57,721 --> 00:44:01,159
- Like, that was, like,
a half an hour ago.
714
00:44:01,203 --> 00:44:03,379
I heard, like,
the sounds of explosions.
715
00:44:03,422 --> 00:44:05,033
- If we need them
at some point,
716
00:44:05,076 --> 00:44:07,035
who's providing vests,
helmets, and all that shit?
717
00:44:07,078 --> 00:44:09,864
- Peter.
- Okay.
718
00:44:09,907 --> 00:44:12,649
- I mean, we just got
a call that there was--
719
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:14,390
- They had two impacts
in town.
720
00:44:18,916 --> 00:44:20,352
They're hitting the airport.
- No.
721
00:44:20,396 --> 00:44:22,790
- Yeah.
- Fucking A.
722
00:44:22,833 --> 00:44:24,748
- Airspace shut down.
723
00:44:40,285 --> 00:44:42,984
- I agree.
724
00:44:46,074 --> 00:44:47,466
- What are we doing?
725
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:49,381
- Just going over
to the InterContinental,
726
00:44:49,425 --> 00:44:50,948
find out what's going on,
because nobody here
727
00:44:50,992 --> 00:44:53,124
seems to know what's going on.
728
00:44:53,168 --> 00:44:55,474
No maps, nothing.
They'll have stuff...
729
00:44:59,914 --> 00:45:01,263
- Fuck it.
730
00:45:01,306 --> 00:45:03,047
- We're just going to go
to the InterContinental,
731
00:45:03,091 --> 00:45:04,309
that hotel right there.
- Right. Right.
732
00:45:04,353 --> 00:45:06,094
- To that?
- Just the hotel right there.
733
00:45:06,137 --> 00:45:07,748
- To that hotel that is
on the opposite side?
734
00:45:07,791 --> 00:45:08,705
- Yeah.
735
00:45:17,845 --> 00:45:24,721
♪
736
00:45:48,092 --> 00:45:51,052
- And it says, like,
the recent rocket attacks--
737
00:45:51,095 --> 00:45:53,184
- Rocket attacks?
738
00:45:53,228 --> 00:45:56,274
I hear ya.
I hear ya.
739
00:45:56,318 --> 00:45:58,624
- Here.
- Thanks.
740
00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:04,195
I just heard
from Robert O'Brien.
741
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,849
He said, "Get the fuck out."
742
00:46:07,155 --> 00:46:09,287
- The U.S. did hear
from the president
743
00:46:09,331 --> 00:46:11,550
of Ukraine earlier tonight.
744
00:46:11,594 --> 00:46:13,857
He's there.
He has not fled his country.
745
00:46:13,901 --> 00:46:16,904
- He obviously is determined
to say.
746
00:46:38,839 --> 00:46:40,753
- Your attention, please.
747
00:46:40,797 --> 00:46:43,234
There is second-level threat
in country.
748
00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:45,193
We'll leave upon you
the decision
749
00:46:45,236 --> 00:46:48,065
to leave the hotel or stay.
750
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:51,286
We'll help to organize this
at a point in the hotel.
751
00:46:51,329 --> 00:46:54,506
In a crisis,
you will get the shelter.
752
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:57,205
In the announcement
of this threat,
753
00:46:57,248 --> 00:46:59,642
use stairwell
down to the lobby.
754
00:46:59,685 --> 00:47:01,905
Follow staff instructions.
755
00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:03,124
You will be leaded
to the shelter place.
756
00:47:03,167 --> 00:47:04,908
- The air raid sirens
had escorted us
757
00:47:04,952 --> 00:47:07,824
into the day break
of the 24th.
758
00:47:07,868 --> 00:47:10,740
The modern country
was suddenly at war.
759
00:47:10,783 --> 00:47:14,222
It was a sad, surreal,
and shocking day.
760
00:47:14,265 --> 00:47:16,137
But admittedly,
one also surrenders
761
00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:18,008
to some exhilaration.
762
00:47:18,052 --> 00:47:21,446
It keeps you awake when sleep
is a distant memory.
763
00:47:21,490 --> 00:47:23,709
And though completely
unexpected,
764
00:47:23,753 --> 00:47:25,711
the president's office
confirmed
765
00:47:25,755 --> 00:47:29,237
that the president would still
keep our appointment.
766
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,848
♪
767
00:47:31,892 --> 00:47:35,112
- President Biden unleashed
new sanctions against Russia.
768
00:47:35,156 --> 00:47:37,854
- This aggression
cannot go unanswered.
769
00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:41,945
America stands up to bullies.
We stand up for freedom.
770
00:47:41,989 --> 00:47:44,339
- President Biden
has said again and again
771
00:47:44,382 --> 00:47:47,516
no U.S. troops
will be involved in this war.
772
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,171
- I assumed that journalist
and quasi-journalists
773
00:47:50,214 --> 00:47:52,564
around the world would scoff,
774
00:47:52,608 --> 00:47:54,958
but there was not one cell
in my body
775
00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:57,874
willing to prepare a question
for the president,
776
00:47:57,918 --> 00:48:00,746
not on a day like this.
777
00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:02,879
I hoped the film
would be useful.
778
00:48:02,923 --> 00:48:04,446
That's about it.
779
00:48:04,489 --> 00:48:07,710
♪
780
00:48:36,304 --> 00:48:39,133
- This is the center
of the universe
781
00:48:39,176 --> 00:48:43,137
for democracy today,
right now.
782
00:49:07,900 --> 00:49:09,598
- Okay, we have
ten minutes for that.
783
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:27,442
♪
784
00:49:28,704 --> 00:49:31,011
- We knew by that time
about the Russian commandos
785
00:49:31,054 --> 00:49:33,230
that had taken the airport.
786
00:49:33,274 --> 00:49:35,450
And that was only
about 15 kilometers away.
787
00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:39,758
There was talk
about how long it would take
788
00:49:39,802 --> 00:49:43,632
for the Russians
to completely encircle Kyiv.
789
00:49:43,675 --> 00:49:48,245
It was imminent.
790
00:49:48,289 --> 00:49:55,209
♪
791
00:49:59,778 --> 00:50:02,607
- Hi.
792
00:50:04,653 --> 00:50:06,524
- I'm well.
793
00:51:04,843 --> 00:51:12,721
♪
794
00:51:50,062 --> 00:51:52,239
- To be here at this time,
in this country,
795
00:51:52,282 --> 00:51:54,676
with you,
with your countrymen,
796
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:58,462
I mean, there's so much
inspiration to be had here.
797
00:52:32,496 --> 00:52:33,845
- Where does it end?
I mean, what does he want?
798
00:52:33,889 --> 00:52:36,152
What does he--what is the--
799
00:53:29,118 --> 00:53:30,728
- Rosa arrange this.
- Yes. Right.
800
00:53:38,823 --> 00:53:41,261
- Please don't say
you were in the bunker.
801
00:53:41,304 --> 00:53:42,653
- No.
802
00:53:42,697 --> 00:53:43,480
- You say only
Office of President.
803
00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:47,092
- Okay.
804
00:53:49,138 --> 00:53:52,794
Oh, man.
805
00:53:52,837 --> 00:53:55,449
- Right.
No, we're the good guys.
806
00:53:59,322 --> 00:54:00,236
- Yeah.
807
00:54:02,499 --> 00:54:04,414
- Yeah.
808
00:54:06,198 --> 00:54:07,939
- Yeah.
809
00:54:14,859 --> 00:54:17,384
Bye-bye.
810
00:54:22,737 --> 00:54:25,217
- Yeah.
811
00:54:29,613 --> 00:54:31,180
Who's the Zoom with?
812
00:54:31,223 --> 00:54:33,661
- With Ksenia Sobchak--Russia--
who's staying in Moscow.
813
00:54:33,704 --> 00:54:35,967
- Okay, but is it on TV
or just a person?
814
00:54:36,011 --> 00:54:37,621
- On TV.
- You think it's TV?
815
00:54:37,665 --> 00:54:38,666
- Yes.
- Russian TV?
816
00:54:38,709 --> 00:54:40,145
- Russian TV.
- Okay.
817
00:54:40,189 --> 00:54:42,757
All right, let me tell him.
818
00:54:58,381 --> 00:55:00,862
- Thank you for coming out
to our broadcast.
819
00:55:00,905 --> 00:55:05,257
Sean, tell us, please,
where are you, first of all?
820
00:55:05,301 --> 00:55:06,824
- I am in Kyiv.
821
00:55:06,868 --> 00:55:09,000
- Why you're in Kyiv?
822
00:55:09,044 --> 00:55:11,481
Were you aware
of the threat
823
00:55:11,525 --> 00:55:13,353
you're facing there?
824
00:55:13,396 --> 00:55:15,790
- Well, I think all reasonable
people were considering
825
00:55:15,833 --> 00:55:17,313
all possibilities.
826
00:55:17,357 --> 00:55:20,403
- As far as I know,
as far as I understand,
827
00:55:20,447 --> 00:55:24,451
today you met with
President Zelensky.
828
00:55:24,494 --> 00:55:27,932
What were the things
you were discussing?
829
00:55:27,976 --> 00:55:31,588
- What an unimaginable
position--
830
00:55:31,632 --> 00:55:35,200
it is my thought--
that any man or woman
831
00:55:35,244 --> 00:55:37,159
in this world could be in.
832
00:55:37,202 --> 00:55:41,032
I believe with everything
in my heart
833
00:55:41,076 --> 00:55:42,991
that this is a man of love,
834
00:55:43,034 --> 00:55:47,865
intelligence, and courage,
835
00:55:47,909 --> 00:55:52,261
and I still believe
love is proving itself
836
00:55:52,304 --> 00:55:54,829
to be the most powerful weapon
on Earth.
837
00:55:58,136 --> 00:56:00,965
- Protests tonight
across Russia
838
00:56:01,009 --> 00:56:03,359
in more than 50 cities.
839
00:56:03,403 --> 00:56:06,449
- How much resistance
is there to President Putin?
840
00:56:09,321 --> 00:56:10,453
- These Russians
841
00:56:10,497 --> 00:56:13,630
need to be the example
of peace
842
00:56:13,674 --> 00:56:14,936
for the rest of the world.
843
00:56:14,979 --> 00:56:17,199
This is the height
of that moment
844
00:56:17,242 --> 00:56:19,375
in my lifetime, certainly,
845
00:56:19,419 --> 00:56:23,771
and I think we can all assume,
perhaps, ever.
846
00:56:23,814 --> 00:56:28,428
♪
847
00:57:01,809 --> 00:57:04,028
Okay, any questions?
- Yes.
848
00:57:04,072 --> 00:57:06,030
Is there a weapon in the bunch?
Where is it?
849
00:57:07,292 --> 00:57:13,211
♪
850
00:58:10,442 --> 00:58:12,836
- Oh, my God.
851
00:58:20,627 --> 00:58:27,547
♪
852
00:58:31,246 --> 00:58:33,204
- Russia's brutal war
on Ukraine
853
00:58:33,248 --> 00:58:34,771
begins its second day.
854
00:58:34,815 --> 00:58:41,735
♪
855
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:44,912
- Right now, I--
856
00:58:44,955 --> 00:58:46,391
we've been, like,
857
00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:50,178
for the last 12 hours,
we've been on the road
858
00:58:50,221 --> 00:58:52,659
kind of zigzagging to get
to the Polish border
859
00:58:52,702 --> 00:58:56,576
going a foot at a time
in cars on different roads,
860
00:58:56,619 --> 00:58:59,796
because they
bombed out a bridge on one,
861
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,756
and it's just a lot of,
you know--
862
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,496
but I'm completely fine.
863
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:07,543
And we got to shoot
with the president.
864
00:59:07,587 --> 00:59:09,719
Just moving.
865
00:59:09,763 --> 00:59:12,374
- Ukrainian president
Zelensky
866
00:59:12,417 --> 00:59:13,897
remains in the capital
867
00:59:13,941 --> 00:59:15,507
despite threats
from the Kremlin
868
00:59:15,551 --> 00:59:16,726
against his young family.
869
00:59:23,907 --> 00:59:27,084
- Reports emerged the Americans
had offered an evacuation,
870
00:59:27,128 --> 00:59:31,132
to which
Mr. Zelensky replied...
871
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:59,290
- How many kilometers
away are we, 20?
872
00:59:59,334 --> 01:00:00,814
- About 28.
873
01:00:00,857 --> 01:00:03,947
- Hey. Yeah, so we're just
going to abandon this.
874
01:00:03,991 --> 01:00:06,515
There's no order to it.
875
01:00:06,558 --> 01:00:08,691
♪
876
01:00:08,735 --> 01:00:09,997
- Let's see if there's
a dirt road
877
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,608
behind those trees.
878
01:00:34,369 --> 01:00:36,937
- All right, this is it?
This is all we're taking?
879
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,603
You're going to take that
backpack and your other bag.
880
01:00:51,647 --> 01:00:53,040
- I got it.
- You need to put the backpack
881
01:00:53,083 --> 01:00:54,476
on properly.
882
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:55,695
- Hey.
How you doing?
883
01:00:55,738 --> 01:00:56,739
- Hey. How are you?
884
01:01:00,569 --> 01:01:02,353
- It is, man.
It is. It is.
885
01:01:02,397 --> 01:01:05,226
My wife's devastated.
886
01:01:05,269 --> 01:01:06,749
- It's unbelievable.
It's surreal.
887
01:01:06,793 --> 01:01:08,229
- It's crazy.
888
01:01:08,272 --> 01:01:10,710
- Come on, Mick.
889
01:01:10,753 --> 01:01:12,102
- Now they're just
picking up everyone.
890
01:01:12,146 --> 01:01:13,756
- Yeah.
891
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,238
- I mean, it's unreal
what's happening.
892
01:01:17,281 --> 01:01:20,850
- Yeah, man. Mickey.
- Yeah?
893
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,160
- All right, man.
- All right, man, cool.
894
01:01:29,163 --> 01:01:31,469
♪
895
01:01:31,513 --> 01:01:34,777
- While the men of Ukraine
ages 18 to 60
896
01:01:34,821 --> 01:01:36,474
were compelled
to stay in country
897
01:01:36,518 --> 01:01:38,738
and get into the fight,
898
01:01:38,781 --> 01:01:42,567
women and children dominantly
occupied these miles and miles
899
01:01:42,611 --> 01:01:46,397
of cars inching their way
toward the Polish border.
900
01:01:46,441 --> 01:01:50,662
These heroic women set off
to a different front line
901
01:01:50,706 --> 01:01:53,230
and the heartbreak
of husbands, fathers,
902
01:01:53,274 --> 01:01:55,842
brothers, sons,
and businesses
903
01:01:55,885 --> 01:01:57,844
all left behind.
904
01:01:57,887 --> 01:02:00,977
They fled for their
children's safety,
905
01:02:01,021 --> 01:02:07,027
many without any certain
destination or support.
906
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:10,247
Just three days earlier,
they were you and me.
907
01:02:13,685 --> 01:02:15,775
- War has returned to Europe.
908
01:02:15,818 --> 01:02:18,516
- Explosions and the exodus
are only the beginning.
909
01:02:22,607 --> 01:02:23,826
all: Stand with Ukraine!
910
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:25,132
- The Russian invasion
of Ukraine
911
01:02:25,175 --> 01:02:27,177
continues to spark an outcry.
912
01:02:29,353 --> 01:02:31,051
- People around the globe
are rallying
913
01:02:31,094 --> 01:02:32,922
in solidarity with Ukraine.
914
01:02:36,491 --> 01:02:38,014
- My feeling is,
915
01:02:38,058 --> 01:02:40,756
I'd rather fail, you know,
trying in my little way
916
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,543
to be a uniter, you know, by
going and talking to somebody
917
01:02:45,587 --> 01:02:47,719
who's already labeled me
full screen
918
01:02:47,763 --> 01:02:49,330
the enemy of the state.
919
01:02:49,373 --> 01:02:50,853
- And finally tonight,
the enemy of the state.
920
01:02:50,897 --> 01:02:52,463
This week,
actor, activist,
921
01:02:52,507 --> 01:02:54,291
and all-around
very angry man
922
01:02:54,335 --> 01:02:56,728
Sean Penn
takes the honors.
923
01:02:56,772 --> 01:02:59,644
You are this week's
enemy of the state.
924
01:02:59,688 --> 01:03:01,124
- I flip between Fox and CNN.
925
01:03:01,168 --> 01:03:03,083
And, like, each time,
it's like,
926
01:03:03,126 --> 01:03:05,650
"Sean Penn's
going on 'Hannity.'"
927
01:03:05,694 --> 01:03:09,829
- The least we can do to honor
what they're doing is try.
928
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,269
It was important for him
to get the word out
929
01:03:15,312 --> 01:03:17,010
about what he had seen,
what he had heard,
930
01:03:17,053 --> 01:03:18,098
what he had experienced.
931
01:03:18,141 --> 01:03:19,403
- It's a pleasure.
932
01:03:19,447 --> 01:03:21,928
Thanks for everything.
You've been great.
933
01:03:24,931 --> 01:03:27,455
♪
934
01:03:27,498 --> 01:03:30,545
- If you were on this set,
99 out of 100 times,
935
01:03:30,588 --> 01:03:33,287
we probably would be
in full disagreement, right?
936
01:03:33,330 --> 01:03:34,636
- No question about that.
937
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:36,594
I don't trust you.
938
01:03:36,638 --> 01:03:38,640
Is there a reason
you didn't trust me?
939
01:03:38,683 --> 01:03:40,163
- Yeah, there's a lot
of reasons I don't trust you,
940
01:03:40,207 --> 01:03:42,774
but I don't think
that I've got time
941
01:03:42,818 --> 01:03:45,603
to indulge my lack of trust,
942
01:03:45,647 --> 01:03:47,518
which it becomes a petty thing
943
01:03:47,562 --> 01:03:49,956
as people and babies
are being vaporized.
944
01:03:49,999 --> 01:03:52,567
- A lot of the world didn't
think that Putin would do it.
945
01:03:52,610 --> 01:03:53,916
I did think he would.
946
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,265
So you get there.
947
01:03:55,309 --> 01:03:57,093
You're interviewing Zelensky
at this time.
948
01:03:57,137 --> 01:03:58,616
Did he see this coming?
949
01:03:58,660 --> 01:04:00,357
Did he believe
that this was real?
950
01:04:00,401 --> 01:04:01,750
- Yes.
951
01:04:01,793 --> 01:04:04,100
He is the face of something
that you see
952
01:04:04,144 --> 01:04:07,843
in all the Ukrainians we saw
and talked to
953
01:04:07,887 --> 01:04:10,585
whether they were in uniform,
out of uniform,
954
01:04:10,628 --> 01:04:13,718
schoolteachers,
even children,
955
01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:16,591
this extraordinary courage
that's come up.
956
01:04:16,634 --> 01:04:20,900
It is clear to me that the
Ukrainians will win this.
957
01:04:20,943 --> 01:04:22,771
The question is,
at what cost?
958
01:04:22,814 --> 01:04:24,338
- In this buildup
959
01:04:24,381 --> 01:04:27,819
I thought NATO countries
and Western European countries
960
01:04:27,863 --> 01:04:30,648
and the U.S.
should have been arming
961
01:04:30,692 --> 01:04:32,824
the Ukrainians for that moment.
962
01:04:32,868 --> 01:04:34,914
- This could happen
tomorrow also.
963
01:04:34,957 --> 01:04:37,307
We could get F-15s, F-16s in.
964
01:04:37,351 --> 01:04:39,266
Then they can fly those
with three weeks of training.
965
01:04:39,309 --> 01:04:41,442
They can fly the MiGs
and the Sus now.
966
01:04:41,485 --> 01:04:43,966
- Poland offered--what was it--
28 or 29 MiGs.
967
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:45,359
- Yeah.
968
01:04:45,402 --> 01:04:47,970
- Every report says Joe Biden
vetoed that.
969
01:04:48,014 --> 01:04:49,232
Forget politics.
970
01:04:49,276 --> 01:04:50,886
- Not everybody says
he vetoed it.
971
01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:53,367
- Whoever vetoed it,
Ronald Reagan had a doctrine.
972
01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:56,326
And the doctrine was in the
case of the former Soviet Union
973
01:04:56,370 --> 01:04:58,981
invading Afghanistan
in the '80s,
974
01:04:59,025 --> 01:05:01,375
he supplied Stinger missiles
to the mujahideen.
975
01:05:01,418 --> 01:05:03,377
I support that doctrine.
976
01:05:03,420 --> 01:05:05,248
I support the Trump doctrine
that,
977
01:05:05,292 --> 01:05:08,121
if you're gonna fight a war
you push buttons
978
01:05:08,164 --> 01:05:11,167
using new military weaponry
and technology,
979
01:05:11,211 --> 01:05:12,429
and you bomb the shit out of--
980
01:05:12,473 --> 01:05:13,691
- Okay, but I would argue...
- Hang on.
981
01:05:13,735 --> 01:05:15,171
- You've made this political,
982
01:05:15,215 --> 01:05:16,477
and now give me a chance
to respond to it.
983
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:17,869
- Hang on. I will.
984
01:05:17,913 --> 01:05:19,610
- Because I'm not talking
about anybody's doctrine
985
01:05:19,654 --> 01:05:21,917
that got us into
a lot of other crap.
986
01:05:21,961 --> 01:05:24,659
- Republicans and Democrats,
they're all gung ho.
987
01:05:24,702 --> 01:05:26,226
They start these wars.
988
01:05:26,269 --> 01:05:28,054
They don't fight them
to win them.
989
01:05:28,097 --> 01:05:29,881
- We--we absolutely agree
on that.
990
01:05:29,925 --> 01:05:31,231
- And fight the war to win it.
- That's right.
991
01:05:31,274 --> 01:05:33,276
- And that means
to defeat Russa--
992
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,583
- Or let them fight it
to win it, because they will.
993
01:05:35,626 --> 01:05:36,714
- Well, that's what I'm saying.
994
01:05:36,758 --> 01:05:38,020
Let the Ukrainians
fight themselves.
995
01:05:38,064 --> 01:05:40,240
- Yeah, we agree.
You and I can argue all day.
996
01:05:40,283 --> 01:05:41,981
But I look at you,
and I think you believe
997
01:05:42,024 --> 01:05:43,765
in this country in your way.
998
01:05:43,808 --> 01:05:45,245
I believe in it in mine.
- 100%
999
01:05:45,288 --> 01:05:49,510
- When you step into a country
of such incredible unity,
1000
01:05:49,553 --> 01:05:52,078
you realize what we've all
been missing.
1001
01:05:52,121 --> 01:05:54,602
- You'll never talk politics
with me on this show, will you?
1002
01:05:54,645 --> 01:05:55,777
- We--we've all got to
figure out--
1003
01:05:55,820 --> 01:05:57,039
- Wasn't that bad.
1004
01:05:57,083 --> 01:05:59,433
Do you trust me now
more than you did?
1005
01:05:59,476 --> 01:06:01,478
- There's a lot
of physical therapy necessary
1006
01:06:01,522 --> 01:06:04,264
after a big car accident.
1007
01:06:04,307 --> 01:06:05,743
You don't get it all done
in a day.
1008
01:06:05,787 --> 01:06:07,876
- Our prayers are with
the innocent,
1009
01:06:07,919 --> 01:06:09,573
and I wish you luck
in helping them.
1010
01:06:09,617 --> 01:06:11,749
- And the heroes
who are fighting for them.
1011
01:06:11,793 --> 01:06:14,665
- Next time we'll battle over
Hugo Chávez or something fun.
1012
01:06:14,709 --> 01:06:16,058
- That's an interesting
conversation.
1013
01:06:16,102 --> 01:06:17,059
- All right.
- All right.
1014
01:06:17,103 --> 01:06:19,061
- Thank you for being with us.
1015
01:06:19,105 --> 01:06:20,845
- Former Speaker of the House,
Fox News contributor
1016
01:06:20,889 --> 01:06:22,325
Newt Gingrich is with us.
1017
01:06:22,369 --> 01:06:25,285
Your thoughts
on the conversation and more.
1018
01:06:25,328 --> 01:06:29,506
- That may have been
one of the most impactful
1019
01:06:29,550 --> 01:06:33,380
and amazing interviews
of your entire career.
1020
01:06:33,423 --> 01:06:35,947
- I'm going to talk
to Sean Hannity,
1021
01:06:35,991 --> 01:06:38,776
to Fox News, MSNBC.
1022
01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:41,518
I'm going to go do talks
at presidential libraries.
1023
01:06:41,562 --> 01:06:42,737
We're going to get
this message out
1024
01:06:42,780 --> 01:06:43,955
and help get
what Ukraine needs.
1025
01:06:43,999 --> 01:06:46,523
- You called
and said get the hell out,
1026
01:06:46,567 --> 01:06:48,395
get the F out, whatever.
- Yeah, yeah.
1027
01:06:48,438 --> 01:06:50,049
There's
going to be a serious attempt
1028
01:06:50,092 --> 01:06:53,269
at a quick decapitation strike
with the Russian paratroopers.
1029
01:06:53,313 --> 01:06:56,446
- The Ukrainians had something
to say about that, obviously.
1030
01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:59,058
- Every fundraiser I've been
to, every event I've been to
1031
01:06:59,101 --> 01:07:00,885
for the last several months,
1032
01:07:00,929 --> 01:07:02,235
people are up in arms
over Ukraine.
1033
01:07:02,278 --> 01:07:04,411
- I mean,
when we do the stories,
1034
01:07:04,454 --> 01:07:05,803
the ratings
go through the roof.
1035
01:07:05,847 --> 01:07:07,022
- Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome
1036
01:07:07,066 --> 01:07:08,154
our distinguished panel.
1037
01:07:11,026 --> 01:07:12,332
- It's amazing
to see the Ukrainians
1038
01:07:12,375 --> 01:07:14,160
and the resilience.
1039
01:07:14,203 --> 01:07:16,988
The Ukrainians are fighting
and fighting hard.
1040
01:07:17,032 --> 01:07:19,426
And you think Ukraine
can win this.
1041
01:07:19,469 --> 01:07:23,212
- I'd go further, and,
you know, I wager everything.
1042
01:07:23,256 --> 01:07:25,301
The Ukrainians
are going to win.
1043
01:07:25,345 --> 01:07:27,477
And what we're going
to be doing is saying,
1044
01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:30,306
"How many lives
did we let them lose?"
1045
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:32,395
- You know, in Zelensky,
this is a leader
1046
01:07:32,439 --> 01:07:35,529
who is pretty remarkable
in this moment.
1047
01:07:35,572 --> 01:07:40,055
- Part of what makes him
so particularly extraordinary
1048
01:07:40,099 --> 01:07:41,752
is that in that courage,
he's the face
1049
01:07:41,796 --> 01:07:44,494
of so many Ukrainians.
1050
01:07:44,538 --> 01:07:46,627
This is leadership.
1051
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:48,803
No one on the planet's
been tested
1052
01:07:48,846 --> 01:07:51,110
in leadership
like this one human being.
1053
01:07:51,153 --> 01:07:52,981
- Mr. President, what is it...
- Tonight
1054
01:07:53,024 --> 01:07:54,678
a world-exclusive interview.
- What is the situation?
1055
01:07:54,722 --> 01:07:56,680
- Thank you so much
for talking.
1056
01:07:56,724 --> 01:07:58,029
- Thank you very much.
1057
01:07:58,073 --> 01:08:01,250
- If you do win,
will Vladimir Putin survive?
1058
01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:06,081
- You know,
Ronald Reagan once said,
1059
01:08:06,125 --> 01:08:09,171
"I don't know how anyone
could have held this position
1060
01:08:09,215 --> 01:08:11,695
without having had
acting ability."
1061
01:08:11,739 --> 01:08:13,697
And he said, "The ability
to be a good actor
1062
01:08:13,741 --> 01:08:15,873
is to be yourself
when the camera comes on."
1063
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:20,008
When Zelensky got elected,
a lot of people
1064
01:08:20,051 --> 01:08:21,357
made the comparisons
to Ronald Reagan.
1065
01:08:21,401 --> 01:08:23,794
And, "He's an actor,
and he's not prepared."
1066
01:08:23,838 --> 01:08:26,667
And yet Zelensky
is just himself,
1067
01:08:26,710 --> 01:08:27,842
when the camera's on,
when it's off.
1068
01:08:27,884 --> 01:08:30,366
He is who he is.
1069
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:34,022
This moment right now,
he is perfect.
1070
01:08:34,065 --> 01:08:36,197
- The Ukrainian president
has been praised
1071
01:08:36,241 --> 01:08:38,460
as a master of social media.
1072
01:08:38,505 --> 01:08:40,289
- I mean, one thing that's
very important to remember
1073
01:08:40,333 --> 01:08:41,594
is, he is a performer.
1074
01:08:41,638 --> 01:08:43,205
- Social media
has allowed him
1075
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:45,728
to dominate
the information war.
1076
01:08:45,772 --> 01:08:47,688
- He has
the bully pulpit now.
1077
01:08:47,731 --> 01:08:49,690
People feel comfortable
that he has a vision now.
1078
01:08:51,431 --> 01:08:52,954
- All three of you
really being versed
1079
01:08:52,996 --> 01:08:54,347
in this over time,
1080
01:08:54,389 --> 01:08:56,262
take me back
before the invasion.
1081
01:08:56,304 --> 01:09:00,353
- 1999, I had an opportunity
to do a project in Ukraine,
1082
01:09:00,396 --> 01:09:01,745
and I was in Ukraine
until a month ago,
1083
01:09:01,789 --> 01:09:03,530
two days before the war.
1084
01:09:03,572 --> 01:09:05,661
- I was in 2008
when the second invasion
1085
01:09:05,705 --> 01:09:07,228
happened in Georgia.
1086
01:09:07,272 --> 01:09:09,623
We got in, and we were lucky
we got out.
1087
01:09:09,665 --> 01:09:12,755
- I was in Iraq in 2007,
2008 during the surge.
1088
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,932
- So I was the main
interpreter for Lech Walesa.
1089
01:09:14,976 --> 01:09:18,371
So I was all over
Central and Eastern Europe.
1090
01:09:18,414 --> 01:09:21,025
Yeah, so I've seen
a lot of stuff.
1091
01:09:21,069 --> 01:09:24,290
And I've seen regression.
1092
01:09:24,333 --> 01:09:25,420
And it breaks my heart.
1093
01:09:25,464 --> 01:09:27,335
I was sent twice...
1094
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:29,208
- What does the healing
look like
1095
01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:32,472
between Russians
and Ukrainians?
1096
01:09:32,514 --> 01:09:35,605
- Unless they kick
the Russians out
1097
01:09:35,649 --> 01:09:37,346
or the Russians take off
1098
01:09:37,389 --> 01:09:40,915
and literally give everything
back to the Ukrainians
1099
01:09:40,958 --> 01:09:45,136
that would be perhaps
the beginning,
1100
01:09:45,179 --> 01:09:48,270
except when you look at
the number of dead civilians
1101
01:09:48,313 --> 01:09:51,098
and children and women
and old people
1102
01:09:51,142 --> 01:09:52,753
that the Russians,
they've been killing.
1103
01:09:55,712 --> 01:09:56,931
- Go this way, guys.
1104
01:09:56,974 --> 01:10:03,894
♪
1105
01:10:07,724 --> 01:10:11,075
- Thank you very much
for talking with us.
1106
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:12,947
What is your assessment?
1107
01:10:35,796 --> 01:10:38,668
- Taking Ukraine may come easy
to the overwhelming Russian...
1108
01:10:38,712 --> 01:10:40,279
- Like just come out
of an intelligence
1109
01:10:40,322 --> 01:10:41,889
with a Western official.
1110
01:10:41,932 --> 01:10:44,457
Ukraine is in a battle
for its life right now.
1111
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:46,023
- Ukraine's capital city
of Kyiv
1112
01:10:46,067 --> 01:10:47,329
might soon fall
to Russian forces.
1113
01:10:47,373 --> 01:10:50,332
- Russia's actions
are outrageous.
1114
01:10:50,376 --> 01:10:53,640
Every hour of inaction now
is a threat to the lives
1115
01:10:53,683 --> 01:10:55,119
of Ukrainians.
1116
01:10:55,163 --> 01:10:58,427
Ukraine loses the war,
there will be no Ukraine.
1117
01:10:58,471 --> 01:11:01,300
And when stakes are so high
for us,
1118
01:11:01,343 --> 01:11:03,258
of course we will
keep fighting.
1119
01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:04,477
Whatever it takes.
1120
01:11:07,784 --> 01:11:09,917
- The people are mobilizing.
1121
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,353
- People signing up to fight.
1122
01:11:11,397 --> 01:11:13,355
People bringing in supplies,
1123
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:15,357
anything they think
that will help
1124
01:11:15,401 --> 01:11:17,054
the Ukrainian war effort.
1125
01:11:17,098 --> 01:11:19,405
- We never seek to leave.
1126
01:11:19,448 --> 01:11:20,667
This our homes.
1127
01:11:20,710 --> 01:11:23,800
We defend our children,
family,
1128
01:11:23,844 --> 01:11:26,716
our buildings, our city,
and our future,
1129
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:27,891
future of Ukraine.
1130
01:11:29,415 --> 01:11:30,807
- Can Ukraine outright win
this war?
1131
01:11:30,851 --> 01:11:32,331
- Ukrainian resistance
1132
01:11:32,374 --> 01:11:36,117
is having
a huge battlefield impact.
1133
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,075
- There's a recording
between Ukrainian
1134
01:11:38,119 --> 01:11:39,816
and Russian forces.
1135
01:11:43,603 --> 01:11:45,431
- Snake Island,
and appears to have been
1136
01:11:45,474 --> 01:11:47,868
attacked by a Russian warship.
1137
01:11:54,527 --> 01:11:56,050
- The man behind those words
1138
01:11:56,093 --> 01:11:58,226
was awarded a medal
for his bravery.
1139
01:11:58,269 --> 01:12:00,315
- Now we've seen
impressive gains
1140
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,057
by the Ukrainian army.
1141
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:05,494
- Russia's flagship vessel,
the "Moskva."
1142
01:12:05,538 --> 01:12:08,454
- Ukraine says it hit the ship
with cruise missiles
1143
01:12:08,497 --> 01:12:09,846
launched from the coast.
1144
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:11,413
- President Volodymyr Zelensky
1145
01:12:11,457 --> 01:12:13,372
visited at extreme risk.
1146
01:12:13,415 --> 01:12:15,461
- Tonight a stunning
breakthrough.
1147
01:12:15,504 --> 01:12:18,028
- How are the Ukrainians
pulling this off?
1148
01:12:33,174 --> 01:12:34,828
- Nobody believed in us.
1149
01:12:39,354 --> 01:12:42,096
- "Oh, they're going--
you know, they will fail."
1150
01:12:42,139 --> 01:12:46,230
And now the whole world
is basically watching.
1151
01:12:47,231 --> 01:12:51,279
- This moment in Ukraine to
represent a human phenomenon.
1152
01:13:00,419 --> 01:13:01,855
Like,
everyone who I was calling
1153
01:13:01,898 --> 01:13:03,639
was doing something
for the army.
1154
01:13:03,683 --> 01:13:05,336
It was such a huge network
of volunteers.
1155
01:13:05,380 --> 01:13:08,818
- Ukraine is extremely united
right now
1156
01:13:08,862 --> 01:13:11,430
for so many of us.
1157
01:13:11,473 --> 01:13:14,476
And it gives us strength,
1158
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,957
and that's why we are not--
we are not afraid,
1159
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,134
because we realize that they
have to kill all of us.
1160
01:13:25,313 --> 01:13:27,097
- In Ukraine
it's not difficult
1161
01:13:27,141 --> 01:13:31,362
to find a great diversity
in political opinion.
1162
01:13:31,406 --> 01:13:33,495
Just as in the U.S.
one can find
1163
01:13:33,539 --> 01:13:36,498
every impassioned
nationalist idea,
1164
01:13:36,542 --> 01:13:40,110
every impassioned
humanist idea.
1165
01:13:40,154 --> 01:13:43,940
And yet they've someone found
a complete recognition
1166
01:13:43,984 --> 01:13:47,291
in the interdependence
that allows for independence.
1167
01:13:49,076 --> 01:13:51,557
It's tangible.
1168
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,081
- President Zelensky
called on the United States
1169
01:13:54,124 --> 01:13:55,474
to send more weapons.
1170
01:13:55,517 --> 01:13:58,085
- They asked for
heavier weapons faster.
1171
01:13:58,128 --> 01:14:02,481
- The Pentagon has rejected
a surprise offer from Poland
1172
01:14:02,524 --> 01:14:05,440
to fly all of its MiGs
to a U.S. airbase in Germany.
1173
01:14:05,484 --> 01:14:08,965
- Saying it risks setting off
a wider war with Russia.
1174
01:14:09,009 --> 01:14:12,882
- We continue.
We continue fighting.
1175
01:14:12,926 --> 01:14:14,405
We just need support.
1176
01:14:14,449 --> 01:14:19,106
I--I need to say to you,
because you're our friends,
1177
01:14:19,149 --> 01:14:21,282
that we still waiting.
1178
01:14:21,325 --> 01:14:23,458
We still talking every day
1179
01:14:23,502 --> 01:14:25,852
with international war leaders.
1180
01:14:25,895 --> 01:14:29,464
We need some help
by the weapons.
1181
01:14:29,508 --> 01:14:33,468
We still, for example,
waiting this jet
1182
01:14:33,512 --> 01:14:35,644
from Poland.
- Right.
1183
01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:37,124
- Thank you, Sean.
Thank you.
1184
01:14:37,167 --> 01:14:40,040
Thank you very much,
my friend.
1185
01:14:40,083 --> 01:14:42,390
- The people and government
of Poland
1186
01:14:42,433 --> 01:14:44,392
had opened their hearts
and borders
1187
01:14:44,435 --> 01:14:46,916
to some 8 million
Ukrainian refugees
1188
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,570
but found challenges
when seeking
1189
01:14:48,614 --> 01:14:50,224
to provide fighter jets.
1190
01:14:50,267 --> 01:14:53,575
What did happen
with the MiG proposal?
1191
01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:56,143
- We don't want to act
unilaterally.
1192
01:14:56,186 --> 01:14:59,189
Such weapons
like the jet fighters,
1193
01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:01,714
it would require the NATO,
1194
01:15:01,757 --> 01:15:05,587
and our collective decision
was not to go
1195
01:15:05,631 --> 01:15:10,766
farther with our action
of delivering the MiGs.
1196
01:15:10,810 --> 01:15:15,815
- Some countries make the point
that Ukraine
1197
01:15:15,858 --> 01:15:18,557
should only be provided
with defensive weapons
1198
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,561
and we should not receive
any offensive weapons.
1199
01:15:22,604 --> 01:15:26,173
The real point
is that any weapon
1200
01:15:26,216 --> 01:15:29,045
that is being used
by Ukrainian army
1201
01:15:29,089 --> 01:15:32,745
in the territory of Ukraine
is defensive by definition.
1202
01:15:32,788 --> 01:15:35,269
Because we are not using it
to attack anyone.
1203
01:15:35,312 --> 01:15:37,663
We are using it
to defend ourselves.
1204
01:15:37,706 --> 01:15:43,451
We don't have the feeling
that neither Poland
1205
01:15:43,494 --> 01:15:45,627
or the United States
are not willing
1206
01:15:45,671 --> 01:15:48,108
to do something for Ukraine.
1207
01:15:48,151 --> 01:15:51,981
But they do have differences
in understanding
1208
01:15:52,025 --> 01:15:53,940
who will assume
the responsibility
1209
01:15:53,983 --> 01:15:55,506
for making the decision.
1210
01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:59,859
Use the bloody weapons
necessary to win.
1211
01:15:59,902 --> 01:16:01,991
- Ukraine needs
weapon supplies.
1212
01:16:02,035 --> 01:16:05,995
We need heavy artillery,
armed vehicles,
1213
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:09,564
air defense systems,
and combat aircraft,
1214
01:16:09,608 --> 01:16:12,001
anything to repel
Russian forces
1215
01:16:12,045 --> 01:16:13,786
and stop their war crimes.
1216
01:16:13,829 --> 01:16:17,441
Arm Ukraine now
to defend freedom.
1217
01:16:17,485 --> 01:16:20,183
- It's an apocalyptic vision.
1218
01:16:20,227 --> 01:16:23,186
- How much more
can the civilians withstand?
1219
01:16:23,230 --> 01:16:26,537
- Accounts of Russian abuses
are widespread.
1220
01:16:26,581 --> 01:16:30,019
- We saw undeniable evidence
of atrocities.
1221
01:16:30,063 --> 01:16:32,369
- New fallout and outrage
1222
01:16:32,413 --> 01:16:36,373
sparking more calls for
a war crimes investigation.
1223
01:16:36,417 --> 01:16:37,853
- I don't want to live
in a world
1224
01:16:37,897 --> 01:16:41,117
where a gangster with nukes
gets to dictate
1225
01:16:41,161 --> 01:16:42,379
what we have to live under.
1226
01:16:42,423 --> 01:16:43,685
I just don't want
to live in that world.
1227
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:44,773
And the Ukrainians won't live
in that world.
1228
01:16:53,347 --> 01:16:54,696
It's a real war.
- Mm-hmm.
1229
01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:56,872
- It's in real life.
1230
01:16:56,916 --> 01:16:58,526
- We all thought that Kyiv
was going to fall
1231
01:16:58,569 --> 01:17:00,789
in two days,
and now here we are.
1232
01:17:00,833 --> 01:17:04,706
- Russia is aware that
it's not winning this war.
1233
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:07,753
- The new narrative
is being born right now
1234
01:17:07,796 --> 01:17:09,798
about Ukraine,
1235
01:17:09,842 --> 01:17:11,713
this narrative
about very strong,
1236
01:17:11,757 --> 01:17:15,064
brave, courageous country.
1237
01:17:15,108 --> 01:17:17,458
- The recipe of victory
1238
01:17:17,501 --> 01:17:19,808
is Ukrainian stamina
1239
01:17:19,852 --> 01:17:23,682
and Western sanctions
and weapons.
1240
01:17:23,725 --> 01:17:28,121
These are the three elements
that will make us prevail.
1241
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:38,131
- The Russians,
they have been bloodied.
1242
01:17:38,174 --> 01:17:39,872
- The Russians are taking
a tremendous number
1243
01:17:39,915 --> 01:17:41,612
of casualties,
1244
01:17:41,656 --> 01:17:44,485
probably taken
70,000 or 80,000 casualties.
1245
01:17:44,528 --> 01:17:45,878
- I hate to say this.
1246
01:17:45,921 --> 01:17:47,357
You know,
these Russian soldiers,
1247
01:17:47,401 --> 01:17:50,012
17, 18, 19 years old, right?
1248
01:17:50,056 --> 01:17:51,971
They're just cannon fodder.
1249
01:17:52,014 --> 01:17:55,583
And they're getting blown
to bits by the Ukrainians.
1250
01:17:55,626 --> 01:17:58,499
You've got
refrigerator trucks
1251
01:17:58,542 --> 01:18:01,589
and refrigerator train wagons
1252
01:18:01,632 --> 01:18:04,766
full of dead
Russian soldiers,
1253
01:18:04,810 --> 01:18:07,508
because Putin does not want
society to see this.
1254
01:18:09,902 --> 01:18:13,209
- Make no mistake, while
I believe they're winning,
1255
01:18:13,253 --> 01:18:15,342
the longer
that this war goes on,
1256
01:18:15,385 --> 01:18:17,257
the more likely it is
1257
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:20,347
that it will start to fray
and fracture.
1258
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:23,567
So Mr. Zelensky needs
to have an outright win here
1259
01:18:23,611 --> 01:18:24,917
pretty soon.
1260
01:18:33,839 --> 01:18:35,884
- I'm glad to see you,
Mr. President.
1261
01:18:35,928 --> 01:18:37,016
How are you holding up?
1262
01:19:14,705 --> 01:19:16,359
- Thank you.
- Thank you, Sean.
1263
01:19:16,403 --> 01:19:18,318
All the best.
1264
01:19:18,361 --> 01:19:20,755
- He looks like he's been
awake since we saw him.
1265
01:19:25,716 --> 01:19:28,110
- Because the Ukrainians
have performed so well,
1266
01:19:28,154 --> 01:19:31,026
because the democratic world
has consolidated
1267
01:19:31,070 --> 01:19:32,723
with regard to sanctions
1268
01:19:32,767 --> 01:19:34,464
and supporting Ukraine
with weapons,
1269
01:19:34,508 --> 01:19:37,511
it is not going to escalate
towards a conventional war
1270
01:19:37,554 --> 01:19:39,730
with NATO
1271
01:19:39,774 --> 01:19:42,559
because we provided
the Ukrainians with planes.
1272
01:19:42,603 --> 01:19:44,561
Since before this war,
I've been talking
1273
01:19:44,605 --> 01:19:46,999
about giving the Ukrainians
weapons to deter Russia.
1274
01:19:47,042 --> 01:19:49,218
We should be able to peer
around the corner
1275
01:19:49,262 --> 01:19:51,394
and see how this war
is going to unfold,
1276
01:19:51,438 --> 01:19:52,961
the fact that we're going
to have to step in
1277
01:19:53,005 --> 01:19:54,354
and provide more.
1278
01:19:54,397 --> 01:19:55,616
But we're going
to do it too late,
1279
01:19:55,659 --> 01:19:56,530
and we're going to miss
opportunities
1280
01:19:56,573 --> 01:19:57,879
to make this a short war.
1281
01:19:57,923 --> 01:19:59,054
We're going to miss
opportunities
1282
01:19:59,098 --> 01:20:02,188
to reduce the human toll
for Ukraine.
1283
01:20:02,231 --> 01:20:03,580
We're going to miss
opportunities
1284
01:20:03,624 --> 01:20:04,668
to really decrease
the risk for the U.S.
1285
01:20:04,712 --> 01:20:07,715
with a long-war scenario.
1286
01:20:10,761 --> 01:20:14,417
♪
1287
01:20:17,943 --> 01:20:19,466
- One part of the war
that we've gotten
1288
01:20:19,509 --> 01:20:21,424
very little insight into
is the battle for the sky.
1289
01:20:21,468 --> 01:20:23,644
- This rumor
of the Ghost of Kyiv.
1290
01:20:23,687 --> 01:20:24,993
- The Ghost of Kyiv.
1291
01:20:25,037 --> 01:20:26,734
- The Ghost of Kyiv,
they call it.
1292
01:20:27,517 --> 01:20:28,910
- The Russian Air Force
has not been able
1293
01:20:28,954 --> 01:20:30,738
to get air supremacy.
1294
01:20:30,781 --> 01:20:32,914
Can you just talk a little bit
about why that is?
1295
01:20:32,958 --> 01:20:36,265
- Because they have a fear
of our air defense.
1296
01:20:36,309 --> 01:20:40,879
But we need effective tools
to do this efficiently.
1297
01:21:18,177 --> 01:21:19,918
- How do the Russians
get stopped?
1298
01:21:34,323 --> 01:21:37,500
- The conflict will be
going on for some time,
1299
01:21:37,544 --> 01:21:39,938
and we need
the weapons flowing,
1300
01:21:39,981 --> 01:21:42,288
and without U.S. assistance,
1301
01:21:42,331 --> 01:21:44,986
that would be close
to not possible.
1302
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:46,596
We need new fighter jets.
1303
01:22:04,005 --> 01:22:06,660
- That's much more exciting
for him than it is for you.
1304
01:22:06,703 --> 01:22:08,183
- Yeah.
1305
01:22:11,186 --> 01:22:18,106
♪
1306
01:22:32,294 --> 01:22:35,602
- We just watched your movie.
1307
01:22:35,645 --> 01:22:40,737
The next "Top Gun" movie
should be made in Ukraine.
1308
01:22:40,781 --> 01:22:42,435
- You know,
you put the world on notice
1309
01:22:42,478 --> 01:22:44,045
that Ukraine, you know,
1310
01:22:44,089 --> 01:22:46,787
isn't fucking laying down
for anything.
1311
01:22:46,830 --> 01:22:48,876
It's a real honor
to talk to you guys.
1312
01:22:48,919 --> 01:22:50,399
- Thank you for support.
1313
01:22:52,836 --> 01:22:55,013
- As this war went on,
1314
01:22:55,056 --> 01:22:57,102
it got more
and more difficult
1315
01:22:57,145 --> 01:22:59,408
to keep attention
and interest in it.
1316
01:22:59,452 --> 01:23:01,541
- Other stories
we're following for you...
1317
01:23:01,584 --> 01:23:04,413
- Will Smith clashed
with comedian Chris Rock.
1318
01:23:04,457 --> 01:23:06,024
- There's a time limit.
1319
01:23:06,067 --> 01:23:07,329
- The world watched
Johnny Depp's...
1320
01:23:07,373 --> 01:23:08,722
- And there's an energy limit
1321
01:23:08,765 --> 01:23:11,116
to what people can put
on the horrors
1322
01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:13,770
of something
taking place far away.
1323
01:23:13,814 --> 01:23:15,772
♪
1324
01:23:15,816 --> 01:23:17,470
For Sean,
it was very important
1325
01:23:17,513 --> 01:23:19,559
to get back to Ukraine...
1326
01:23:19,602 --> 01:23:23,258
♪
1327
01:23:23,302 --> 01:23:25,826
Get back
to see what's going on
1328
01:23:25,869 --> 01:23:30,309
and experience
what it was like now in June.
1329
01:23:30,352 --> 01:23:32,702
And we knew the important
thing was getting Sean
1330
01:23:32,746 --> 01:23:33,964
and Zelensky back together.
1331
01:23:34,008 --> 01:23:36,793
♪
1332
01:23:38,447 --> 01:23:41,015
- Ukraine's president
is accusing Russia now
1333
01:23:41,059 --> 01:23:43,104
of bombing a crowded
shopping mall
1334
01:23:43,148 --> 01:23:44,018
in the eastern part
of the country.
1335
01:23:46,716 --> 01:23:50,459
- The capital, Kyiv,
once again in the crosshairs.
1336
01:23:50,503 --> 01:23:52,635
- This morning,
the most serious attack
1337
01:23:52,679 --> 01:23:55,769
on Kyiv in weeks,
two apartment blocks struck.
1338
01:23:55,812 --> 01:23:58,206
- In residential buildings
hit by rockets,
1339
01:23:58,250 --> 01:24:02,123
the number of civilian
casualties is rising.
1340
01:24:02,167 --> 01:24:04,038
- Is this it?
1341
01:24:04,082 --> 01:24:06,258
- Yeah, this is--
this is it.
1342
01:24:06,301 --> 01:24:13,178
♪
1343
01:24:22,665 --> 01:24:26,191
Who's coming?
1344
01:24:26,234 --> 01:24:33,154
♪
1345
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,897
Wow.
1346
01:24:52,956 --> 01:24:54,088
This was the living room.
1347
01:24:54,132 --> 01:24:58,092
That was a bedroom
and restroom.
1348
01:24:58,136 --> 01:25:00,181
- Yeah, this is not
structurally sound anymore,
1349
01:25:00,225 --> 01:25:03,445
is it?
- No.
1350
01:25:03,489 --> 01:25:05,012
- So what are you doing now?
1351
01:25:05,055 --> 01:25:08,189
Just hearing out the things
that can be salvaged?
1352
01:25:08,233 --> 01:25:09,712
- Yeah, so actually,
I asked the military guys
1353
01:25:09,756 --> 01:25:11,018
to help me out.
1354
01:25:11,061 --> 01:25:12,715
They came here.
They clear everything.
1355
01:25:12,759 --> 01:25:16,066
They try to make sure that
we actually can take anything.
1356
01:25:16,110 --> 01:25:18,939
I tried to find, like,
really sensitive stuff,
1357
01:25:18,982 --> 01:25:21,028
like maybe pictures
or, like, some other stuff.
1358
01:25:21,071 --> 01:25:22,334
Yeah, that's it.
1359
01:25:22,377 --> 01:25:23,900
Like, I just wanted
to find something.
1360
01:25:23,944 --> 01:25:26,294
- What can we help you carry?
- Nothing.
1361
01:25:26,338 --> 01:25:27,339
It's done.
- It's done. Okay.
1362
01:25:27,382 --> 01:25:28,557
- It's done.
1363
01:25:28,601 --> 01:25:29,863
We took everything
that we could.
1364
01:25:29,906 --> 01:25:32,257
That's it.
1365
01:25:32,300 --> 01:25:34,215
Welcome to my home.
1366
01:25:34,259 --> 01:25:37,479
♪
1367
01:26:17,171 --> 01:26:18,868
- Because you can?
1368
01:26:18,912 --> 01:26:21,262
- Because I can.
1369
01:26:21,306 --> 01:26:23,221
- Thank you.
1370
01:26:28,182 --> 01:26:31,316
♪
1371
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:33,405
- And here too.
1372
01:26:49,682 --> 01:26:56,602
♪
1373
01:27:10,485 --> 01:27:12,226
- I'm a little bit late.
1374
01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:14,141
Maybe not little.
Sorry. I'm so sorry.
1375
01:27:14,184 --> 01:27:15,882
- No, you're fine.
1376
01:27:17,362 --> 01:27:21,757
Once the invasion began,
1377
01:27:21,801 --> 01:27:23,890
what was the first moment
1378
01:27:23,933 --> 01:27:27,459
that you were able to check in
with your family?
1379
01:27:27,502 --> 01:27:29,025
♪
1380
01:27:29,069 --> 01:27:30,288
- In the night, I think.
1381
01:27:30,331 --> 01:27:32,246
In the night.
It was in the night.
1382
01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:34,074
And I had phone call.
1383
01:27:34,117 --> 01:27:37,469
My wife, I said,
"Tell children,
1384
01:27:37,512 --> 01:27:40,167
"detailing everything.
1385
01:27:40,210 --> 01:27:43,518
What does it mean,
the war with Russia?"
1386
01:27:43,562 --> 01:27:46,216
- The day of the invasion,
when you walked in,
1387
01:27:46,260 --> 01:27:48,828
I saw a change in you.
1388
01:27:48,871 --> 01:27:53,528
There was an air of,
you were born for this moment.
1389
01:27:53,572 --> 01:27:55,356
It was so clear
1390
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,403
that we were in a moment of...
1391
01:27:58,446 --> 01:28:01,536
extreme history.
1392
01:28:01,580 --> 01:28:04,800
- Everybody has to be--
1393
01:28:04,844 --> 01:28:08,326
has to become older,
older at this moment
1394
01:28:08,369 --> 01:28:11,677
to understand what to do
and what we are doing,
1395
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,855
because we need to live
in the real life,
1396
01:28:15,898 --> 01:28:18,466
not in fairy tale.
1397
01:28:22,165 --> 01:28:24,298
- There it is.
1398
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:28,563
- So this is
the direct impact crater?
1399
01:28:28,607 --> 01:28:29,521
- Yeah.
1400
01:28:40,532 --> 01:28:44,362
And he's like wise...
1401
01:28:44,405 --> 01:28:47,495
political man.
1402
01:28:47,539 --> 01:28:51,194
So even our children
began because of the war.
1403
01:28:51,238 --> 01:28:53,675
They began to speak, like,
you know,
1404
01:28:53,719 --> 01:28:56,286
to speak not like children.
1405
01:28:56,330 --> 01:29:00,421
♪
1406
01:29:00,465 --> 01:29:06,079
He understand why I am not
with him every day.
1407
01:29:06,122 --> 01:29:09,952
He said to me that,
"I understand you,
1408
01:29:09,996 --> 01:29:13,173
"and I think
that in the future,
1409
01:29:13,216 --> 01:29:16,350
maybe we can have something
like it was before the war."
1410
01:29:16,394 --> 01:29:20,093
He understand that it will not
be such way like it was.
1411
01:29:20,136 --> 01:29:25,881
Only now we know what country
we have to build.
1412
01:29:25,925 --> 01:29:28,928
I made a lot of decisions.
1413
01:29:28,971 --> 01:29:31,844
For example...
1414
01:29:35,108 --> 01:29:38,851
And we'll see the result
only after the war.
1415
01:29:38,894 --> 01:29:42,376
From this point,
we can't come back
1416
01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:45,510
to the political,
economical
1417
01:29:45,553 --> 01:29:47,294
securities strategy.
1418
01:29:47,337 --> 01:29:50,471
It couldn't be
just democracy,
1419
01:29:50,515 --> 01:29:52,691
just liberal attitude
to everything.
1420
01:29:52,734 --> 01:29:54,388
It couldn't be so.
1421
01:29:56,869 --> 01:30:02,352
But we should know
that soldiers with weapon
1422
01:30:02,396 --> 01:30:05,181
will be in the streets.
1423
01:30:05,225 --> 01:30:08,663
You know, how can everywhere
be people with guns?
1424
01:30:08,707 --> 01:30:11,361
Why you are looking
what is in my bag
1425
01:30:11,405 --> 01:30:13,494
when I'm entering shops?
1426
01:30:13,538 --> 01:30:15,278
Now we should do it.
1427
01:30:15,322 --> 01:30:18,194
It's a pity.
1428
01:30:18,238 --> 01:30:21,328
It's not about Ukraine.
1429
01:30:21,371 --> 01:30:22,764
That is the result
of all the wars.
1430
01:30:35,734 --> 01:30:39,128
- Yeah, this kind of stuff
is still shockingly stupid,
1431
01:30:39,172 --> 01:30:43,742
and the idea
that one evil little man
1432
01:30:43,785 --> 01:30:47,528
could be so generating
the force behind it,
1433
01:30:47,572 --> 01:30:50,313
it's just unimaginable
1434
01:30:50,357 --> 01:30:53,403
and has to change
somehow for--
1435
01:30:53,447 --> 01:30:54,927
I think about it for my kids,
1436
01:30:54,970 --> 01:30:56,406
because everything
that happens here
1437
01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:57,799
is going to affect
1438
01:30:57,843 --> 01:30:59,497
every other place
in the world today.
1439
01:30:59,540 --> 01:31:00,846
And I think that's the reason
that we're all
1440
01:31:00,889 --> 01:31:02,195
so invested in this,
1441
01:31:02,238 --> 01:31:04,632
and because Ukraine
is representing
1442
01:31:04,676 --> 01:31:07,374
the greatest aspirations
that we all share.
1443
01:31:07,417 --> 01:31:09,898
♪
1444
01:31:09,942 --> 01:31:11,944
- They will not stop...
1445
01:31:11,987 --> 01:31:13,554
never.
1446
01:31:13,598 --> 01:31:15,991
A lot of people die.
1447
01:31:16,035 --> 01:31:17,515
And...
1448
01:31:17,558 --> 01:31:20,518
so--so it's tragedy,
1449
01:31:20,561 --> 01:31:25,261
but I understood that this
tragedy result of the war.
1450
01:31:25,305 --> 01:31:26,393
I understood it.
1451
01:31:26,436 --> 01:31:28,961
They will destroy everything.
1452
01:31:29,004 --> 01:31:32,573
People want to forget
what's going on in the East.
1453
01:31:32,617 --> 01:31:36,664
Believe me, now they destroyed
everything on the East.
1454
01:31:41,016 --> 01:31:42,670
We need to go and talk
1455
01:31:42,714 --> 01:31:45,891
to the soldiers
who are fighting the fight
1456
01:31:45,934 --> 01:31:47,893
and spend some time
on the front line.
1457
01:31:47,936 --> 01:31:50,504
- Yes, it's possible.
We could help.
1458
01:31:50,548 --> 01:31:52,550
We're very interested
to show the world
1459
01:31:52,593 --> 01:31:54,508
what's going on here.
1460
01:31:54,552 --> 01:31:55,901
We are fighting.
1461
01:31:55,944 --> 01:31:57,206
We destroyed
a lot of Russian troops,
1462
01:31:57,250 --> 01:31:59,469
and they destroyed us.
1463
01:31:59,513 --> 01:32:01,428
That is the war between two.
1464
01:32:01,471 --> 01:32:03,735
They are not waiting,
and we are fighting.
1465
01:32:03,778 --> 01:32:05,301
They will dig in.
1466
01:32:05,345 --> 01:32:06,868
So that is the problem.
1467
01:32:06,912 --> 01:32:09,654
We should press on them.
1468
01:32:09,697 --> 01:32:11,612
That's very difficult
with such,
1469
01:32:11,656 --> 01:32:14,441
I think, slowly way
1470
01:32:14,484 --> 01:32:17,183
of getting weapons.
1471
01:32:17,226 --> 01:32:20,621
With such speed...
1472
01:32:20,665 --> 01:32:23,363
you can't move forward.
1473
01:32:26,409 --> 01:32:29,412
♪
1474
01:32:29,456 --> 01:32:31,850
- Ukraine is intent
on pushing Russian troops
1475
01:32:31,893 --> 01:32:33,634
back to their border
with the help
1476
01:32:33,678 --> 01:32:36,028
of advanced
long-range missile systems
1477
01:32:36,071 --> 01:32:38,552
en route
from the United States.
1478
01:32:38,596 --> 01:32:40,772
- The U.S. is sending
artillery rocket systems
1479
01:32:40,815 --> 01:32:42,687
known as HIMARS.
1480
01:32:42,730 --> 01:32:45,777
- The weaponry includes
the M142
1481
01:32:45,820 --> 01:32:48,606
high-mobility
artillery rocket system.
1482
01:33:20,507 --> 01:33:22,596
- Once you fire
from a position,
1483
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,816
does that immediately mean
you're gonna move positions?
1484
01:34:01,896 --> 01:34:05,900
I think that because of our
proximity now
1485
01:34:05,944 --> 01:34:09,512
to active combat, that's where
our sights should be set.
1486
01:34:25,790 --> 01:34:32,710
♪
1487
01:34:34,929 --> 01:34:36,539
- Let's put that
in this truck.
1488
01:34:36,583 --> 01:34:38,454
- Yeah, we're gonna do this.
1489
01:34:38,498 --> 01:34:39,847
- Let's do that.
- Okay.
1490
01:34:45,810 --> 01:34:47,986
Okay.
1491
01:34:48,029 --> 01:34:54,601
♪
1492
01:34:54,644 --> 01:34:56,385
- Up.
1493
01:34:56,429 --> 01:34:58,736
- Okay.
1494
01:35:01,086 --> 01:35:04,611
So that means
we're getting close.
1495
01:35:04,654 --> 01:35:07,483
♪
1496
01:35:16,449 --> 01:35:19,713
During last ten days...
1497
01:35:23,848 --> 01:35:25,327
During last ten days.
1498
01:35:25,371 --> 01:35:28,548
Because shells are going
without stopping.
1499
01:35:28,591 --> 01:35:31,377
No stop,
shelling without stopping,
1500
01:35:31,420 --> 01:35:33,814
any stopping,
different kinds.
1501
01:35:33,858 --> 01:35:37,905
And it's, you know...
1502
01:35:37,949 --> 01:35:40,168
that is what we have.
1503
01:35:40,212 --> 01:35:42,170
- Russia is intensifying
its assault
1504
01:35:42,214 --> 01:35:44,172
in the east of Ukraine.
1505
01:35:44,216 --> 01:35:47,001
- And the Ukrainians
may have to decide do they,
1506
01:35:47,045 --> 01:35:49,003
as it were,
dig in in Severodonetsk,
1507
01:35:49,047 --> 01:35:50,918
or do they give up
the city now
1508
01:35:50,962 --> 01:35:52,833
and leave while they can?
1509
01:35:52,877 --> 01:35:59,753
♪
1510
01:36:39,097 --> 01:36:42,883
♪
1511
01:36:45,407 --> 01:36:52,327
♪
1512
01:37:28,102 --> 01:37:30,931
- Can you speak
to what importance it was
1513
01:37:30,975 --> 01:37:33,064
to the solidary of this fight
1514
01:37:33,107 --> 01:37:35,675
that the president stayed
in Kyiv?
1515
01:38:28,336 --> 01:38:31,861
- These Russians,
they killed a lot of people.
1516
01:38:31,905 --> 01:38:33,951
And it was, for me, shock,
1517
01:38:33,994 --> 01:38:40,087
also for everybody,
that they--
1518
01:38:41,959 --> 01:38:43,090
- Raped, yeah.
1519
01:38:43,134 --> 01:38:44,918
When they began,
when they raped
1520
01:38:44,962 --> 01:38:47,877
some women and some children,
it was fuck--
1521
01:38:47,921 --> 01:38:50,706
I can't find,
you know, right words
1522
01:38:50,750 --> 01:38:52,230
and never find.
1523
01:38:52,273 --> 01:38:57,061
I will never find for this,
because it was shock.
1524
01:38:57,104 --> 01:38:59,672
So many children,
so many blood.
1525
01:38:59,715 --> 01:39:03,763
♪
1526
01:39:03,806 --> 01:39:07,288
- Russia is bombing
kindergarten schools,
1527
01:39:07,332 --> 01:39:09,769
maternity hospitals.
1528
01:39:09,812 --> 01:39:15,166
♪
1529
01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:17,907
- They are crimes.
They're not really soldiers.
1530
01:39:17,951 --> 01:39:20,127
They did crime
1531
01:39:20,171 --> 01:39:22,738
against the humanitarian...
1532
01:39:22,782 --> 01:39:25,828
- Right.
- Values.
1533
01:39:25,872 --> 01:39:28,309
- Latvian MPs
have declared Russia
1534
01:39:28,353 --> 01:39:30,398
a state sponsor of terrorism,
1535
01:39:30,442 --> 01:39:32,096
saying its invasion
of Ukraine
1536
01:39:32,139 --> 01:39:34,054
amounted to genocide.
1537
01:39:34,098 --> 01:39:35,751
- Ukrainian officials saying
1538
01:39:35,795 --> 01:39:39,059
there are 1,000
new war crimes investigations
1539
01:39:39,103 --> 01:39:43,368
now underway in just one
newly liberated city.
1540
01:39:43,411 --> 01:39:45,718
- For those who've lived
under occupation,
1541
01:39:45,761 --> 01:39:48,068
it's been hell.
1542
01:39:48,112 --> 01:39:49,983
- There is
very serious erosion
1543
01:39:50,027 --> 01:39:52,377
of moral values in Russia,
1544
01:39:52,420 --> 01:39:54,031
which is dangerous
for the whole world.
1545
01:40:34,506 --> 01:40:38,205
- History will remember
and talk about Zelensky.
1546
01:40:38,249 --> 01:40:40,338
He went
beyond the expectations,
1547
01:40:40,381 --> 01:40:45,082
went beyond what anybody could
have imagined he would do.
1548
01:40:45,125 --> 01:40:49,042
But Russia's
not going anywhere.
1549
01:40:49,086 --> 01:40:51,610
This toxic environment
1550
01:40:51,653 --> 01:40:56,310
doesn't go away
for many, many years.
1551
01:40:56,354 --> 01:40:58,747
- What are the challenges
in the short term?
1552
01:40:58,791 --> 01:41:00,836
- To fly,
you need two wings.
1553
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,144
Don't give me one wing
and waiting,
1554
01:41:04,188 --> 01:41:05,711
when you will fly?
1555
01:41:05,754 --> 01:41:07,800
I will never fly
with one wing.
1556
01:41:07,843 --> 01:41:11,630
I need two,
and if you want me to fly now,
1557
01:41:11,673 --> 01:41:13,849
I need two now.
1558
01:41:13,893 --> 01:41:20,073
So we should win now, jointly,
with all the world now.
1559
01:41:20,117 --> 01:41:23,468
♪
1560
01:41:23,511 --> 01:41:26,253
- It's already
economic warfare,
1561
01:41:26,297 --> 01:41:29,474
sanctions, energy warfare.
1562
01:41:29,517 --> 01:41:33,347
It's refugee flows
destabilizing countries.
1563
01:41:36,307 --> 01:41:39,310
What happens if Russia
starts to fracture,
1564
01:41:39,353 --> 01:41:40,615
Chechens start to break off...
1565
01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:49,276
It's a recipe for the Chinas
of the world
1566
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,452
to make territorial grabs,
1567
01:41:51,496 --> 01:41:55,413
for the Irans of the world
to make territorial grabs.
1568
01:41:55,456 --> 01:41:57,328
- If you want to keep China
out of Taiwan,
1569
01:41:57,371 --> 01:41:59,025
keep Ukraine in the fight.
1570
01:41:59,068 --> 01:42:00,331
Push Russia out,
1571
01:42:00,374 --> 01:42:01,854
and keep that fight
from coming to us,
1572
01:42:01,897 --> 01:42:04,161
'cause if Ukraine loses,
we lose.
1573
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:08,339
If Ukraine fails, it's not
just a failure for democracy.
1574
01:42:08,382 --> 01:42:11,080
It's a failure
for the global economy,
1575
01:42:11,124 --> 01:42:13,735
because we're seeing
how dependent we all are
1576
01:42:13,779 --> 01:42:15,781
not just on oil and gas,
1577
01:42:15,824 --> 01:42:19,219
but also, global supply chains
are affected.
1578
01:42:19,263 --> 01:42:22,048
So their fight is our fight,
1579
01:42:22,091 --> 01:42:24,093
and the tip of the spear
right now
1580
01:42:24,137 --> 01:42:25,791
is the fight in Ukraine.
1581
01:42:25,834 --> 01:42:28,489
- And if these people
1582
01:42:28,533 --> 01:42:31,492
are ready to kill children,
1583
01:42:31,536 --> 01:42:34,452
are ready to kill civilians,
1584
01:42:34,495 --> 01:42:37,063
why will they stop?
1585
01:42:37,106 --> 01:42:38,238
For what?
1586
01:42:38,282 --> 01:42:42,503
- If Ukraine not stop
the Russia
1587
01:42:42,547 --> 01:42:44,853
and not win,
1588
01:42:44,897 --> 01:42:49,031
they not a reason
to stopping in the future.
1589
01:42:49,075 --> 01:42:51,251
Next will be Moldova.
1590
01:42:51,295 --> 01:42:54,254
Next will be Lithuania,
Poland.
1591
01:42:54,298 --> 01:42:59,172
It means that it will be war
against NATO.
1592
01:42:59,216 --> 01:43:02,001
And it means that,
once again,
1593
01:43:02,044 --> 01:43:04,612
American soldiers
1594
01:43:04,656 --> 01:43:08,225
will be sent
for the new war in Europe.
1595
01:43:34,207 --> 01:43:39,212
I went many cities,
Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston
1596
01:43:39,256 --> 01:43:42,476
what I could with
those money I had,
1597
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:43,956
not a lot of money,
1598
01:43:43,999 --> 01:43:46,872
to understand,
what does it mean, democracy?
1599
01:43:46,915 --> 01:43:48,830
What does it mean, feeling--
this feeling...
1600
01:43:50,397 --> 01:43:52,356
I loved to run.
1601
01:43:52,399 --> 01:43:53,574
Especially in the morning,
1602
01:43:53,618 --> 01:43:55,707
you could understand
where you live.
1603
01:43:55,750 --> 01:44:02,322
I wanted very much to go
to the country
1604
01:44:02,366 --> 01:44:07,501
where freedom--
to find this feeling.
1605
01:44:07,545 --> 01:44:11,070
Ukrainians so long time
1606
01:44:11,113 --> 01:44:15,683
wanted to be free.
- Hmm.
1607
01:44:15,727 --> 01:44:19,470
- And Ukrainians
didn't understand--me also.
1608
01:44:19,513 --> 01:44:22,821
We didn't understand
that we have to pay for that.
1609
01:44:22,864 --> 01:44:27,086
♪
1610
01:44:27,129 --> 01:44:32,396
And we didn't understand
the high price of it.
1611
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:36,704
This understanding of freedom
came with a war,
1612
01:44:36,748 --> 01:44:41,013
with the fighting
for this freedom.
1613
01:44:41,056 --> 01:44:44,712
For Americans to understand
what's going on here
1614
01:44:44,756 --> 01:44:47,280
and to understand the price,
1615
01:44:47,324 --> 01:44:51,589
they can feel it only
if they will be on the war,
1616
01:44:51,632 --> 01:44:54,722
and I don't want them
to fight in the war.
1617
01:44:54,766 --> 01:44:58,683
They had already--had already
many different wars,
1618
01:44:58,726 --> 01:45:01,381
many different dead guys
and soldiers
1619
01:45:01,425 --> 01:45:03,296
on different wars.
1620
01:45:03,340 --> 01:45:05,907
If we will not win now,
1621
01:45:05,951 --> 01:45:08,345
Americans will fight
1622
01:45:08,388 --> 01:45:11,348
in some years with this enemy.
1623
01:45:12,610 --> 01:45:17,136
Can tyranny win or not?
1624
01:45:17,179 --> 01:45:20,574
What will be the end
of this war?
1625
01:45:20,618 --> 01:45:26,406
If I fight, I should win,
1626
01:45:26,450 --> 01:45:29,714
because if you
are not ready to win,
1627
01:45:29,757 --> 01:45:31,237
don't fight.
1628
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,762
♪
1629
01:45:44,903 --> 01:45:47,340
- One year ago,
we interviewed you,
1630
01:45:47,384 --> 01:45:48,385
and you said what?
1631
01:46:00,527 --> 01:46:02,964
And...
yeah, yeah.
1632
01:46:16,674 --> 01:46:19,720
- I hope, I really hope
1633
01:46:19,764 --> 01:46:25,030
that when he's an old man
and I'm an even older one
1634
01:46:25,073 --> 01:46:26,684
that I might be sitting
with him
1635
01:46:26,727 --> 01:46:30,601
in a peaceful and prosperous
free Kyiv
1636
01:46:30,644 --> 01:46:32,994
laughing like a couple
of kids
1637
01:46:33,038 --> 01:46:37,477
at what William Saroyan called
"the infinite delight
1638
01:46:37,521 --> 01:46:42,395
and mystery of life."
1639
01:46:45,398 --> 01:46:48,619
♪
1640
01:46:48,662 --> 01:46:53,406
You have a job as a head
of state to lead...
1641
01:46:53,450 --> 01:46:55,669
♪
1642
01:46:55,713 --> 01:47:01,370
To inspire,
to communicate,
1643
01:47:01,414 --> 01:47:03,851
to sacrifice...
1644
01:47:03,895 --> 01:47:05,766
♪
1645
01:47:05,810 --> 01:47:07,812
It's been said
that leadership's
1646
01:47:07,855 --> 01:47:11,555
first responsibility
is to define reality
1647
01:47:11,598 --> 01:47:15,820
in courage in the face
of unspeakable terror.
1648
01:47:15,863 --> 01:47:18,300
♪
1649
01:47:18,344 --> 01:47:20,868
Volodymyr Zelensky
has done that.
1650
01:47:20,912 --> 01:47:24,219
♪
1651
01:47:24,263 --> 01:47:29,311
And he's done it despite
a next-level problem set.
1652
01:47:29,355 --> 01:47:32,271
He'd done it for his country.
1653
01:47:32,314 --> 01:47:34,926
He'd done it for his children.
1654
01:47:34,969 --> 01:47:38,364
And he'd done it for ours.
1655
01:47:38,407 --> 01:47:44,022
Going to Ukraine, I got filled
with this feeling of unity.
1656
01:47:44,065 --> 01:47:46,503
That's not because
I'm closing my eyes
1657
01:47:46,546 --> 01:47:50,115
to what the cost of it is
right now.
1658
01:47:50,158 --> 01:47:52,204
It was about how they were
paying it
1659
01:47:52,247 --> 01:47:55,381
in common cause.
1660
01:47:55,424 --> 01:47:59,559
The weapons and ammunition
are not being supplied quickly
1661
01:47:59,603 --> 01:48:03,041
or completely,
yet Ukrainians battle on
1662
01:48:03,084 --> 01:48:06,435
with otherworldly courage
in a freedom war
1663
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:11,353
for sovereignty
and the right to dream.
1664
01:48:11,397 --> 01:48:14,313
And we in the United States,
1665
01:48:14,356 --> 01:48:17,055
if we don't find
common cause,
1666
01:48:17,098 --> 01:48:20,580
then we're only going
backwards.
1667
01:48:20,624 --> 01:48:21,929
And we're gonna kill
each other.
1668
01:49:12,806 --> 01:49:19,683
♪
1669
01:51:43,522 --> 01:51:49,920
♪
1670
01:51:49,963 --> 01:51:56,753
- ♪ Free in the knowledge
1671
01:51:56,796 --> 01:52:03,063
♪ That one day this will end
1672
01:52:03,107 --> 01:52:09,766
♪ Free in the knowledge
1673
01:52:09,809 --> 01:52:15,815
♪ That everything is change
1674
01:52:15,859 --> 01:52:19,427
♪ And this
1675
01:52:19,471 --> 01:52:25,477
♪ Was just a bad moment
1676
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:32,484
♪ We were fumbling around
1677
01:52:32,527 --> 01:52:39,099
♪ But we won't get caught
like that ♪
1678
01:52:39,143 --> 01:52:45,845
♪ Soldiers on our backs
1679
01:52:45,889 --> 01:52:50,850
♪ We won't get caught
like that ♪
1680
01:52:50,894 --> 01:52:53,853
♪
1681
01:52:53,897 --> 01:53:00,468
♪ A face using fear
1682
01:53:00,512 --> 01:53:04,864
♪ To try to keep control
1683
01:53:04,908 --> 01:53:06,997
♪
1684
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:13,873
♪ When we get together
1685
01:53:13,917 --> 01:53:20,053
♪ Well then who knows
1686
01:53:20,097 --> 01:53:23,404
♪ If this
1687
01:53:23,448 --> 01:53:29,106
♪ Is just a bad moment
1688
01:53:29,149 --> 01:53:34,198
♪ And we are fumbling around
1689
01:53:34,241 --> 01:53:36,374
♪
1690
01:53:36,417 --> 01:53:42,946
♪ But we won't get caught
like that ♪
1691
01:53:42,989 --> 01:53:49,561
♪ Soldiers on our backs
1692
01:53:49,604 --> 01:53:54,566
♪ We won't get caught
like that ♪
1693
01:53:54,609 --> 01:53:58,787
♪
1694
01:53:58,831 --> 01:54:04,881
♪ I talk to the face
in the mirror ♪
1695
01:54:04,924 --> 01:54:11,626
♪ But he can't get through
1696
01:54:11,670 --> 01:54:17,719
♪ I said,
"It's time that you deliver ♪
1697
01:54:17,763 --> 01:54:24,161
♪ We see through you"
1698
01:54:24,204 --> 01:54:29,993
♪ I talk to the face
in the mirror ♪
1699
01:54:30,036 --> 01:54:36,477
♪ But he can't get through
1700
01:54:36,521 --> 01:54:42,440
♪ Turns out
we're in this together ♪
1701
01:54:42,483 --> 01:54:46,531
♪ Both me and you
1702
01:54:46,574 --> 01:54:53,494
♪
1703
01:55:04,244 --> 01:55:06,072
- Mr. President, what's the
first thing you're gonna do
1704
01:55:06,116 --> 01:55:07,682
once Ukraine wins this war?
1705
01:55:21,044 --> 01:55:27,964
♪
1706
01:55:34,361 --> 01:55:38,361
♪
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