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alright guys so recently entity dropped

an interview with the psychiatrist and

the psychiatrist tweeted out saying my

interview a therapy session with Angel

Tate and honestly this is probably one

of the more interesting interviews I've

watched with Andrew take as they answer

a lot of questions in the psychiatrist

asks States some crazy questions and

it's overall just a very very crazy

thing to watch overall also if you want

to know more about angeltase the real

world which is his university check out

the first link in the description you

can read about it and potentially change

your life yeah guys leave a like on the

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yeah just take a look at this interview

it was pretty pretty amazing ready to

break the internet friend

how are we going to break the internet

you said you wanted this to be impactful

what's what would that look like to you

that's a really good question I think a

lot of people are interested in my

journey I think a lot of people are

interested in how it feels to go through

what I'm going through yeah I think

there's a lot of people that want me to

martor myself a lot of people are living

vicariously through me yeah there's a

lot of people who say yeah Andrew keep

going but they don't really care they

just enjoy the drama of it all

and uh I think I've already broken the

internet but you're a very interesting

man to talk to and with your insights I

think together we're going to have quite

a large audience yeah I mean that's a

question that I have for you why why did

you want to talk to me because I'm a

psychotherapist you have your skepticism

about Psychotherapy and yet here I am

that's true we had a conversation before

and it was I've been told by many people

it was our my most interesting podcast

ever

so I think it obviously varies from the

norm in terms of the normal things I'm

asked about you have some unique

insights

and uh I thought it'd be an interesting

conversation a lot of people are asking

me especially about my mental state and

those kind of things post-jail

so I thought well my most interesting

podcast ever people seem to be very

interested in that side of me so perhaps

it can be a good conversation does it

make you nervous that there may be

things that you don't know about

yourself that I'm going to try to reveal

to you I know everything about myself

you know you know everything about

yourself I believe that I have a

intimate grasp of all the things about

myself which matter which allow me to

compete right so there may be things I

don't know but I'm not sure if I

particularly need them so I'm not that

interested right what's what's useful is

more important than what's true

absolutely right and you've developed a

framework of thinking about yourself and

thinking about reality that's been

incredibly effective for you completely

what's useful is more you nailed it

what's useful is more important than

what's true this is an a old argument of

mine but I think we discussed in the

last podcast and I'll say it again when

I say I don't believe in depression

nobody convinced me to can convince me

to believe in depression that's not a

matter of discussing what the depression

is real or not that's a matter of me

accepting that my mental model for going

through life

is more com is more effective if I don't

believe I can become a depressed person

I don't believe in depression so I can't

be depressed so that allows me to be

more effective it's not a matter of

sitting there going well maybe it's true

maybe it isn't I don't believe in it so

I can't catch it you shape your own

reality through the conviction of your

thoughts your beliefs and the words that

you use why else would you adopt any

kind of mindset unless it's designed

specifically to make you competitive and

make you win you install the software in

your mind right so if I'm going to

install software in my mind

well I've tried very hard to create it

right because wasn't it installed by

your upbringing wasn't installed by your

uh mother and your father in some way

before you were conscious while you were

just developing child like something got

programmed into your psyche that has to

have an impact on you and those things

can't necessarily be known because you

were such a young age absolutely we're

all programmed to some degree I agree

with you on this so far I don't think

anybody can escape programming whether

it's Society whether it's a television

show whether it's the people around you

peer pressure whether it's a religion

we're all programmed to some degree

that's absolutely not really true what I

have done and what I think most people

do not do is heavily analyze why I hold

the beliefs I hold why I why they help

me if I don't if I don't hold the belief

personally or if I didn't learn it from

personal experience I know where it came

from who tried to teach me that whether

their intentions for me were good or bad

and I've tried very hard to have my

mindset rigidly

analyzed and make sure that it's put

together in a way which benefits me

completely and absolutely and I do not

believe in things that take away power

from me I refuse to do that I would

rather say that they are not real and

people will sit here and argue to the

end of time that they are real but

they're not real in my world and I live

inside of my mind so even if you throw

me in a Romanian dungeon the idea that I

become a depressed person is not a

framework that my mind works within so I

can't become depressed I can feel a

little bit sad sure I can feel depressed

but I can't be depressed they're very

different things so that's just the

mindset I've installed and it's allowed

me to be competitive and I believe

personally my personal beliefs are that

life is a man is hyper competitive and

whatever software you have in your mind

should be designed to make you as

competitive as possible and you

shouldn't be believing in absolutely

anything else so I've I've tried very

hard to make sure all of my World Views

and all of my experiences and everything

is created and aimed in a uh Direction

which is going to allow me to be a

fearsome competitor in all Realms of

human endeavor

has have there been some of your beliefs

or convictions that have been challenged

through the experiences that you've had

particularly in the last well recently

well people challenge me often and what

a lot of people don't understand is that

I will never adopt the thinking of

somebody who is sad and I will never

adopt the thinking of somebody who is

less competitive than I am or less

successful than I am if someone comes

along goes Andrew you are wrong the way

you see the world is wrong but they are

suffering from an Affliction why would I

adopt a single IO of what they say so if

it's kind of funny when I talk about

depression the number of people who

defend depression depression Drew in my

life it's super real and my loss my wife

and my life is over and I want to kill

myself it's real I'm like surely you

should like my my worldview if

depression's so terrible and it's

destroyed your entire existence you

should be listening to me tell you it's

not real but instead they're defending

it and sticking up for it which I find

very interesting so that's the first

thing in regards to whether I have had

any of my convictions challenged

it's kind of amazing maybe it's just a

semantics trick and maybe it's that

simple maybe it's as simple as saying I

feel a little bit depressed today but I

am not a depressed person and I cannot

become depressive I'm not gonna have

depression maybe it's just a semantics

trip and by saying that alone I

understand that it's a temporary state

of mind which I can alter and I can

affect

and I've never struggled with long-term

depression or long-term negative

thoughts because I don't believe in that

mental model I think that

your mind like I said it's software it's

programmed in and they say inside the

Matrix or in every single video game

there are boundaries and there are

limits there are certain things you can

and can't do and I don't believe I my

mind can be put in a state of permanent

negativity I don't believe in that I

don't think it's possible so it just

doesn't happen you said you experienced

depression some form of depression or

depression depressive feelings and

sadness in prison what what were the

thoughts that were coming up what was

happening well there's a lot of

uncertainty which is the first thing

which it has to be scary it is scary

it's scary and also because you're a man

who's totally in control of your world

of your life and that's almost like an

imperative for you and that gives you

power and all of a sudden you're thrust

into a situation where you're

essentially helpless well you just

nailed it you you completely nailed it

because I was exactly about to say it's

the uncertainty that I struggle with the

most because in my life I'm in charge of

everything I know exactly how everything

works and I'm the boss and I get to

control absolutely everything and this

is the first time in a long time I'm in

a scenario where I have no power

whatsoever yeah no influence basically I

don't know what's going to happen nobody

else knows what's gonna happen

and also in my worldview in my world I'm

the hero right I'm the head of the clan

not just my family but of a lot of

people a lot of people rely on me lots

of women rely on me children rely on me

Etc so everyone comes to me every time

there's a problem so they continue to do

that while I'm in a jail cell expecting

me to have some kind of answer right and

I'm like well I don't have an answer

this time every other time I had an

answer but this time is a bit unique how

did that feel you don't have the answers

you can't help yeah I mean it was

frustrating it's very frustrating and

it's the uncertainty that would bother

me I don't think I felt sad very often

but I certainly felt extremely

frustrated I would sit there and think

there has to be a way out of this room

not breakout but like there must just be

some words I can say someone I can talk

to there must be a way it's only a door

like I can't just be stuck in this room

and it was it was hyper frustrating yeah

and the uncertainty of it is also scary

because in my situation every 30 days

they decide if they hold you longer or

not and I was encountering people who

had been there for years in my scenario

so the uncertainty is a form of torture

really oh absolutely yeah it's it's yeah

it's torture it is torture it's a it and

it's designed to make you break you

don't know how long you're gonna be

there for nobody knows you hear horror

stories you see other people getting out

who've done worse things than you after

a week because they've signed a piece of

paper or admitted to something or

whatever they've done done a deal

and you're sitting there and yeah it's

hyper frustrating and I I think

you have two choices as a man often when

bad things happen I feel like you can

maybe get depressed and sad about it but

the other outlets usually anger or form

of anger

I felt like anger was more in many cases

anger is more effective I guess it's

more useful you were angry in there I

wouldn't say I was angry but if I

started to feel negative I could turn it

into frustration or anger which I could

at least alleviate with 2 000 push-ups

it's better than feeling sorry for

myself I feel like if I had to choose

one of the two outlets deciding to use

controlled anger was more beneficial

than sitting around feeling sorry for

myself I don't ever believe in moping or

feeling sad so when I was at my worst

perhaps I was a little bit angry

but then again I also think I do that in

my normal life if I'm honest I don't

think anger is a necessarily bad thing I

think that misdirected anger is a bad

thing I think if you get very angry

about scenarios and you put it in the

correct direction you get unlimited

motivation and you get a lot done

the war or behind the dam it can be

destructive but it's pushing through the

turbine it Powers the town right so if I

wake up and I go I want more money if I

can get pissed off enough about it I can

do 36 hour work days right so there's

nothing wrong with being angry in my

world as long as you are putting it in

the correct direction it's uncontrolled

anger I think is a problem right anger

anger can be used as a fuel and it's

necessary and from my framework anger

sometimes is a mask for pain

I'd agree with that so did you

experience pain in there

I know that's a pain is a you know a

kind of an abstract word but was it

painful for you

like I want to know about your pain yeah

it's strange because

I'm being as honest as possible it's

strange because I had this instilled

sense of Duty

where even though I'm in a jail cell and

I can't leave and even though I'm

cripplingly bored

I don't feel like I had time to feel

pain or I didn't feel like I had time to

be a victim you had nothing but time no

I didn't have time what are you talking

about because everyone outside still

relied on me so I I when I would get on

the phone

people is that avoidance though I don't

know you keep busy do you avoid your

feelings by keeping busy being on the

computer all the time all the things I

had to do

still had to be done just because they

threw me in a Cell it just made it more

difficult which means I have less time

than ever because the difficulty has

been increased and when I would get on

the phone we wouldn't discuss how I'm

feeling I'd be worried about how

everyone else is they'd be like how are

you yeah I'm in jail what's going on

with this are you okay are your bills

paid are press hassling you I was

worried about fixing everyone else's

problems from jail more than I was

concerned about myself or my own mental

well-being and when if I felt

particularly

when I say pain pains is an awkward one

I don't know if I felt pain because I

don't feel sorry for myself and I've

developed this mindset of such absolute

accountability that even though what

happened to me I believe was unfair and

even though I'm completely innocent I

didn't think ah why I didn't I didn't

think why is this happening I didn't

think why me I didn't think oh this is

unfair like none of these things crossed

my mind I was like this is garbage

however

you can't become the most Google man in

the world without uh with every light

has a dark right like let's be realistic

about this yeah

I'm throwing in a jail cell do I belong

here no but am I here yes I was pretty

logical about it and I was like okay

I've got a lot of things I need to get

done and I would feel angry if I

couldn't get them done

but

I don't think I felt pain now I'll admit

I don't sleep very well since I've left

why I could admit do you know why I

heard you say in one interview that you

have nightmares I do have nightmares

what are your nightmares about

I don't think they're about anything I

just have like almost like an adrenaline

rush out of nowhere while I'm sleeping

and I I'd chew up I ball awake no

thoughts no memories no no real thoughts

no real story fear that's fear I guess

it is yeah so there's there's so let's

just you know you're uncon we would

let's you know the dreams are a

reflection of the unconscious and if

you're having nightmares there must be

some unresolved fear that wants to get

worked out I believe so but then also I

love the idea of that

of having unresolved fear that sounds

like the most interesting thing in the

world to me if some were to say to me

Andrew take this pill and your

unresolved fear will vanish I would say

absolutely not really not that's not fun

the the fun is there's something in my

mind which I don't have complete control

or complete understanding of yet and

it's not detrimenting my day-to-day life

really okay I lose a bit of sleep but

this sounds like an interesting Journey

it sounds like I'm in a new level of the

video game and I've been thrust into a

dark forest and I get to do something

brand new and I'm I'm I'm really

genuinely not worried about it you're

not yeah you shouldn't be worried about

it it's just where you are I'm not

worried about it and I'm also not like

oh I need to fix this I don't care I'll

have nightmares and I'll wake up and

I'll either go back to sleep or I'll

continue to work and that's life maybe

life will keep giving you situations in

which you'll have to confront that fear

to resolve it why would I want to

resolve it well because I mean if I'm

really that tired I'll sleep no but but

but fear creates distortions in our mind

right I mean fear is the seed of evil

yeah right and so we want to know what

we're afraid of because if we block our

fear we're susceptible to bad actions

right and fooling ourselves about what

they are rationalizing so I would argue

that it's it's actually vital for you in

the position that you are in and the

responsibility that you have to can

actually confront your fear in a very

real way which probably goes back

to your childhood I mean your dad was I

mean I'm you know the haircut story and

I I don't know if you want to talk about

that if you're willing but that's a you

know when I read that I'm thinking about

that little boy

they must have been [ __ ] terrifying

it is but I do think I had the best

father on Earth I'm not I'm not

disputing that I mean there's a lot of

good that came from your father I'm not

disputing their father was a good man

when you say he could go from zero to a

hundred like that that for a little boy

it's scary it's [ __ ] scary it is but

that fear has to be in you you don't

know what the [ __ ] he's going to do yeah

completely yeah but that's I think

that's prepared me for Life

fantastically and I also and I also

think the fear but have you reached a

limit

have have you well of the video game I

mean you're you're you're facing all

these charges yeah right so something

and maybe this is what you need to go

through I mean you're on the heroes

Journey right and this is inevitable in

some way but also along the hero's

journey you have to die to be reborn

that's true and I agree with all of that

but if I'm genuinely

I mean I psychoanalyze myself all the

time which is one of the main reasons I

don't believe in therapy and psychology

analysis of course you can I do I do it

myself you don't think that's hubris no

you can know your own mind that you

don't need Reflection from others to to

see yourself you can see yourself

perfectly I think that no I don't think

I can see myself perfectly but I think

that life is a perfect reflection but

why not get help why why not like

because because then it becomes a crutch

I like the idea that I can rely on

myself to fix myself well you have a

coach is that a crutch no it's not

because he's teaching me something

different that's fine but like if I had

an Affliction I would like to be my own

doctor and I think with your mind you

can do a lot of it yourself and I think

if you have a very strict framework and

how you measure how successful you are

as a human and I do it through

competence and achievement I say which

mindset do I need to achieve as much as

I can possibly achieve right and I can

measure that in real time I can measure

that in literally dollars and world

championship title belts I could

literally measure the success I'll say

okay well then these are the mindset I

need to have to be as successful as

possible anything that's deviating me

away from that needs to be addressed and

concerned and dealt with and I can do

that myself and

I think the fear that if I if it's fear

that's waking me up from nightmares now

it's just because I understand there's a

very big apparatus a very big enemy

which I cannot destroy and I cannot be

coming to get me so I do think that

wakes me up I think the fear is healthy

I think I'd be stupid to not be afraid

but I don't necessarily want the fear to

go away because I have no problems

feeling bad well it's not about going

away it's coming into deeper

relationship with it and and and

understanding there's fear that's

happening in real time but there's also

fear that may be in your psyche

somewhere in your body that's connected

to your history and that may need to be

resolved because otherwise you're

projecting things out that may you may

not be seeing reality totally clearly

that's the thing right like is there a

way that you're not seeing things

perfectly clearly well then we go back

to my what I just said about perhaps

that's true but if I measure myself

purely on competence and purely on

achievement whatever I think and

whatever I'm doing is obviously

fantastic so I'm very happy with the

mindset I have and then we go into the

argument which is a level deeper is do

am I supposed to be happy am I supposed

to feel good no it's not happy no of

course but this is what I don't

understand about people especially men

in the world today why are they so

worried about being afraid why are they

so worried about I was afraid every time

I fought yeah I fought anyway yeah like

I don't let fear guide what I'm gonna do

I do what I'm supposed to do regardless

of how I feel so I don't see anything

wrong with feeling fearful I don't see

anything wrong with feeling stressed or

under pressure or anxious all these

things men are trying to get rid of and

I talk about men specifically I gender

this because I'm a man I don't know how

it feels to be a woman but all these

things that people are trying very hard

to get rid of from their brains

I don't see why they need to leave I

will argue the point that if I feel

anxious and pressured and stressed and

fearful I will get more done than if I

was happy I think if I was happy I'd

just be hedonistic and just wasting my

time I think that you get a whole bunch

done with these negative connotations

and negative emotions and I think that

life is suffering and pain and you're

here to go through it and you're and the

sooner you get used to the taste the

more successful you're going to be I

have no interest in trying to change the

flavor my friend the flavor of life is

pain and I will eat all of it and it

doesn't matter if they put me back in

jail or not I'm not sitting there going

how can I be happy in jail I will sit in

jail and say yes this sucks it's

supposed to suck yes I'm not enjoying

this yes I'm anxious and paranoid and

yes that guy might stab me and yes I

can't sleep and I miss my family and

this is what's supposed to happen to me

and this is how I become the best man I

can possibly be and I'm going to succeed

regardless

you're very convincing you're so good

though right it's almost like I feel

like you can rationalize anything right

it's almost like a trick magic trick

well you're really good at talking

you're really smart and it's almost like

any question you can turn and and make

it work for you which is great it's a

skill but there's also a place where

there's the potential yeah for

self-delusion oh absolutely and I'm not

even going to sit here and say that I'm

not delusional to a degree I'm not

saying that self-delusion doesn't exist

we all are right let me give you a very

simple example let me try and use an

analogy I think the only thing better

than having everything you want is not

wanting anything right so I have every

car on this planet I have 40 supercars

most people want a Supercar I have 40

but there's that unique 0.1 percent of

people who genuinely don't want one and

I think that's more freeing than having

everything you want right so the the

true mindset is

not wanting anything most people the

best they can do is having everything

they want and I feel like you can kind

of do this with the emotions as well I

guess

my general consensus is that

I don't think I can change or affect the

world to the point where pain and

suffering and bad things are not going

to happen so isn't it best if I just

enjoy all of that doesn't that make me

as powerful as possible if I say oh yeah

okay this is going to suck good I mean I

do it when I fight yesterday I was

fighting right we were doing 12 rounds

and all of us were destroyed and the

more he hurt me the more I want to hurt

him back the more he hurt me the better

it felt the more powerful I felt the

more he hit me because then it's my turn

right so if I can't stop him from

punching me and I'll do my best but if I

can't then surely you should learn to

enjoy it right and I don't think you can

stop life from hitting you and I don't

think you can stop life from giving you

unexpected surprises another thing you

can stop yourself from feeling sometimes

sad or anxious or upset so I think the

best mindset you could adopt is finding

that engaging and exciting I'm not going

to lie to you although I am facing very

serious charges and although they are

trying to destroy my life and although I

cannot sleep the same and although

they're out to get me and although I've

suffered part of me is excited part of

me is like okay why because it's a war

you you like War I think all men do I do

yeah of course ever all men do so it's a

vowel it's exciting yeah it's exciting

so I'm not saying I'm glad it happened

because I'm certainly not and I'm not

saying I'm going to win but I'm saying

I'm saying that I've trained myself to

the point where

if I was walking down the street and 10

men were to pull knives on me I'd be

intimidated but 20 of me would go this

this is going to be this would be one to

remember

do you have a belief that you could take

10 men with knives I have a belief that

yeah I do because that's but that that's

delusional yeah but it makes me it gives

me a best chance of possibly winning no

running away would give you the best

chance of possibly winning and then

coming back and being safe and then

serving out your mission of course I

would run away in that scenario but if I

but if I had to engage them if I had

yeah if I had to engage them right if I

had to fight them I believe I'd be the

most capable if I believed I could win

of course so for that reason if I have

to self-delude then I will self-delude

and I will convince myself that I am

here to destroy all 10 of them and I

will say it in a way where at least

seven of them believe me and that's the

most important part sometimes about all

of this self-delusion is that a lot of

other people start to believe what you

say and I'm not saying that I say bad

things

if a man were to sit in front of you and

say I can rip your head off with my

little finger and he said it in the

right terms and he truly believed it in

his heart you wouldn't want him to try

as as ridiculous as that sounds you'd be

like

a big maybe you know it crosses your

mind so I think that yeah I have

psychoanalyzed myself even though I'm

not officially you know certified and

I've decided that I can't stop bad

things from happening to me so instead

I'm going to enjoy bad things happening

to me and I'm going to build a mindset

that makes me fearsome enough to succeed

regardless of how

stacked the odds are against me yeah

yeah and I appreciate your mindset and

it's well thought out and it's useful to

you and so I'm not I'm just pushing up

against the places where I think there

might be contradictions and I like to

hear it yeah I'd like to hear it but I

like like I said right now I'm not a

coward and I want to make this very

clear I'm not a coward I don't care if I

don't sleep again for the rest of my

life I refuse to take any [ __ ] pill

and I refuse to sit and have my mind

altered by anything I do not control I

don't care if I have nightmares for the

rest of human time right as long as I'm

in charge of my mind I'm in charge of my

life if God decides that I don't need

nightmares anymore I'll fathom out how

to stop it if God decides I need to wake

up in the middle of the night in a sweat

fearful or afraid they're coming to get

me then that's God's plan for me and

that's what I'm going to deal with I'm

all coward I'm not afraid of any of

these things I'm not afraid of feeling

bad I'm not afraid of anxiety I'm not

afraid of panic this is one of the

things I think a lot of men out there

struggle with is they're so worried and

afraid of bad feelings and and to me

that's just showing that you've had an

easy life like there's real people out

here who are trying to kill you there's

people I ever put a knife in your neck

you're scared of what's feeling sad who

cares like there's real problems were

you worried about feeling sad for who

gives a [ __ ] I could feel sad for the

rest of my life and I guarantee one

nobody would know and two I would be

monumentally successful regardless so

why are we even talking about it I have

no fear for a negative feeling I have

fear for me not be able to provide for

my children I have fear for people who

rely on me not being provided for and

cared for but I don't have a single

I don't wake up and go oh I really I'm

worried if I might feel sad today who

cares who cares I can be happy or sad on

the same day nobody knows this and the

same things get done the exact same

amount of work gets done nothing changes

how are you making sense of what's

happening to you is it God's will is it

a co-creation in some way did you

co-create this oh no or are you a just

like a victim of of the Matrix no I'm

not a victim so absolutely everything is

I believe you're a victim completely but

I believe in self-accountability sure I

could have prevented this well how did

you co-create this if if let's

presuppose you did I co-create I created

this by being monumentally successful

right there's no light without dark

equal and opposite Force but you said

you're excited about it so maybe there's

some way you actually wanted this I

didn't want this in fact I had

conversations with Tristan for a long

time and I kept saying Icarus to him

when I would decline I would decline

certain podcasts I would decline meeting

certain famous people I would decline

talking about politics I would decline

things and I would keep saying Icarus

and he would say why are you doing this

and I just apply Icarus because I knew

if I got too big that they were going to

come from me I knew that so I tried to

balance it and I felt like I did a

pretty good job but unfortunately I got

it a little bit wrong my fault I got it

wrong I put myself here but I also don't

believe that there's any light without

dark it's ying and yang for a reason I

don't think that I can just become the

most Googled man on the planet and

become monumentally successful and make

hundreds of millions of dollars and

nothing bad is going to come from it I

think that would be hubris you just use

the word Hebrews a fantastic word I

think it would be stupid for me to sit

there and go I should be able to do all

of this good and have a fantastic life

and there's going to be no repercussion

in any form

I knew this was coming to the point

where I literally sat with Tristan about

three weeks before it happened and said

we're [ __ ] so why did it happen it

happened because I became monumentally

successful and I became monumentally

influential and the world is about if

you did you did create it in some way

you co-created it like you knew you knew

this was going to happen and so there

may be some way and unconsciously you

you wanted it to happen like if you're

if you're on the serious journey and

you're living this big life and you have

a big vision for yourself I mean you

know you bring up guys like Genghis Khan

and I think that I think that's kind of

appropriate because in another area you

probably would have been one of those

cats right so now we're here and maybe

you need this in some way need this test

to really feel yourself to know how

strong you actually are I mean

I know what you're saying I I don't

think I need the test I do feel like I

need to tell the truth I do feel like I

the truth is well the truth about the

Matrix yeah what what I believe and I do

believe that I have a responsibility

because of my massive platform yeah and

I do believe that the responsibility is

for me to do my best to educate people

in a way that's going to make them happy

and I know I could have sold my soul a

thousand times and I know I could have

avoided this I know I could have not

said certain things and I understand all

of that

I wasn't looking for a war this large I

wouldn't say I was looking for it but I

wasn't ignorant to the fact that it

might happen and I wasn't afraid you

didn't do anything to avoid it though I

did I did a lot to avoid I did Icarus I

must have said it a thousand times I

could have made it much worse yeah yeah

but I was never afraid of it happening I

think I think there's a difference

between knowing something bad might

happen and taking the calculated risk

and going this is my journey for truth

and this is what I believe is what I

should do and being afraid of something

like I understand if I go into the ring

I might lose but I do believe 93 chance

I'm gonna destroy him well and you want

the fight either way

I guess so because how else do you

matter right that's that's my point and

I'm not saying that I'm glad I'm being

persecuted for false human trafficking

side of Romania I'm not saying that at

all but I'm saying that yet on the other

side of this how strong will you be

stronger stronger than you could be

otherwise good for sure and have more

power and influence otherwise absolutely

and it's a Nelson Mandela completely now

so I wouldn't want to spend [ __ ]

whatever amount of time in jail that

that sounds [ __ ] scary but it's not

uncommon for Heroes well exactly and if

you if you take the lessons from it and

if we want to once again talk about

being as formidable as possible then I

don't think jail okay it's given me

nightmares but I don't think it's made

me weaker no and it could have easily

made me weaker I could have gone through

the exact same experience with a

different mental model and emerged

weaker I believe I've emerged stronger

regardless of the fact that I have

nightmares I didn't have nightmares

before now I do but I still see myself

as a stronger person that's one more

thing I no longer have to fear from an

unknown perspective I know exactly what

it's like I know the best ways to deal

with which I developed within the three

months and if they put me back I know

what I'm going into so that's a unknown

area of the map explored yes and I don't

want to go but I do believe that I'm

more powerful than ever and

you have to find the good in it that's

absolutely not the for sure but I don't

think I was I want to be very careful I

don't think I was looking for this fight

I'm finding the good in this fight I

believe that my fight actually has

far-reaching repercussions for society

now I think that however this plays out

is going to affect society in real time

I wasn't looking for it but I was never

did you attract it in some way well if

you if you are a Force for good then the

evil is going to attack you isn't it and

I do genuinely believe this is the

Battle of good versus evil in the world

today I believe that truth is always

going to be on the side of good I am

religious I believe the things I say

most people knew were true only 10 to 15

years ago I don't think they're radical

radical ideas and I think that there is

an evil force in the world which is

extremely deceptive and they are out to

try and silence me not because what I

say is wrong it's in fact because what I

say is right I believe the reason I have

so much influence and the reason so many

young boys listen to me and pay

attention to me is because I say things

that are true that they know

intrinsically evolutionarily inside of

their bones as true that I say things

which work

people often wonder why my fan base is

so

feverish why my fan base is so dedicated

well if they listen to me it's the first

time they ever feel good the first time

they ever train hard and start to feel

better physically and they start to feel

better mentally and they adopt my mental

model and now they're not stressed or

depressed anymore and then they may

start to make some money and they go you

know what I start listening to Tate a

year ago I'm in the best shape

financially the best shape physically

the best shape mentally takes the man so

they're hyper dedicated to me

and

yeah I mean there's there's going to be

a negative to that I I've been I want to

make something clear I've been brutally

aware of the fact that all of this might

blow up in my face for a very long time

I I'm not I've not been ignorant to that

and I think that's why jail didn't cause

me pain because I wasn't in jail like

how did this happen I was in jail

thinking

they got me

I knew it they've been after me for a

long time I knew they were coming

and uh I mean I don't know that's a

coping mechanism but I was saying on

every single podcast before I went to

jail they're gonna try and put me in

jail I knew it right right you said that

there's a light in the dark

what what's the is there darkness in you

I mean there must be there's Darkness

inside of everybody right and do you do

you know that part of you are you in

relationship with it do you think about

it that's a good question

first I have to identify what would the

darkness in me be

well let me let me present something to

you because I stood up for you after you

uh got canceled off social media and I

have a lot of female clients and they

had questions about that I mean they

know me and they trust me so they're

curious

but one of them said well you know

Andrew is he's uh he's out there saying

that he's helping all these young men

but in the beginning he made his

millions in in some level exploiting

these very men okay that's the frame

that they were thinking about it and is

there validity in that and what they're

saying because I didn't know how to

answer that question

I don't think I exploited the men I

think I exploited

maybe I did exploit the men but let me

change my answer

I don't think me not exploiting them

would have prevented them being

exploited I think these men were out to

be exploited regardless whether I did it

or not so but you can see how that

sounds cynical to somebody where you

said well they're going to be split

anyway so I'm going to make money off

them and then once I make money off them

I get this platform then I'm going to

Champion them completely I mean it's a I

guess that's probably one of the most

logical arguments against me I've heard

then we have to argue whether I was

really exploiting them which is enough

which is another argument right because

a lot of these men the only reason they

didn't kill themselves is because they

had an online girlfriend so I actually

think that webcaming and girls as a

whole is closer to is therapy than it is

porn truly these men are completely

miserable and the only joy they have is

logging into that website

so I don't think I did exploit them the

reason I said the fact about the fact

they're going to be exploited anyway

it's very similar to having an alcohol

store let's say there's three alcohol

stores in a row and all of your

customers are alcoholics well if you

close your alcohol store what happens

they just buy at the next door next door

they're still gonna be an alcoholic

you're not saving anyone's life

but I don't think I necessarily

exploited

I I didn't see myself as exploiting them

or exploiting the girls I don't think

that I think it was a business

opportunity and I approached it the way

I approach everything which is extremely

professionally and I was good at it and

we had a very successful company

everybody was happy including the men at

home and including the women who all

became millionaires I've turned more

women into millionaires than I've turned

men into millionaires

so

but maybe that's the reason they're

coming after you because they they feel

in that a contradiction and they're not

buying your story

right they don't believe it they're like

oh this is an act he's not genuine he's

actually out for himself right and so

that's the place that they want to get

you because there's definitely an energy

out there they want to get you oh no

they're out to get me yeah and it's but

it's I don't think that's the reason why

though

well depends what we're talking about

yeah but we're talking about the Matrix

I understand why they're and you've

talked about that a lot in podcasts we

could talk about that you know uh

because you are speaking a lot of Truth

and you're confronting all the lies in

the culture and you're you're speaking

against the most powerful forces in the

world but individual women let's say

uh they're going to look at what you're

doing a lot of them and and a lot of

them you know it's it's they're

completely insane and they're looking at

these little clips and they're they're

distorted in their own feminism and

maybe unconsciously uh they can't

reconcile to the fact that they would

actually want a man like you I think

that's a lot of what's going on it's

like projection I'd agree with that you

know nevertheless there is an energy

that's like they want to get you they

want you to be punished in some way yeah

and so like how do you like what do you

do with that how do you deal with that

like how do you answer to that like if

that woman was sitting here

what do you say to her yeah I would I

would say that her argument to a degree

is a logic fail

let's let's take it away from webcaming

it's a female logic

there's your blind spot right there

don't be a misogynist but that's like

saying because you're misogyny no no of

course but that I'm that's like saying

because you've ever eaten a steak you

don't care about animals right

effectively that's what she's saying is

because he had a business in which some

man may have felt exploited at some

point he doesn't care about Humanity

which is a logic fail yeah so that's not

valid what I have found in my experience

often is that many women who seem to

dislike me after they meet me don't

dislike me anymore I think the energy

which they find repulsive over a screen

or affects them emotionally over a

screen they end up liking in person I

think hate and love are actually very

close to each other and I've had women

who who scream how much they hate me at

the screen and then they meet me and

they're literally in love with me well

you're a nice guy of course so I've yet

to meet a female in person who dislikes

me and I would love to talk to these

women I think that'd be the best

conversation ever I think it'd be the

best podcast on Earth yeah but they are

out to get me they're certainly out to

get me I think that the fact that I'm so

assured in a lot of my convictions they

find very threatening people in general

now seem to find it threatening when

you're the kind of person who says no

it's this way and they say oh but the

news said it's that way don't care it's

this way and they find that ignorant but

it's not ignorant I think it's just

assured in your convictions and they

find that threatening very threatening

I think that there's a lot of people who

find me threatening not because of

necessarily what I say but just how sure

I am in my convictions and the way I

present myself and in my Monumental

success they find that overall

threatening the same way uh rabbit will

find a tiger threatening it doesn't know

why it's just like it just wants to run

away from it so is it incumbent on you

then change the way you're delivering

the information so more people can hear

it no no no because there are some no

because there are some people who cannot

be saved and it's not my intention to

save everybody I have no intention of

trying to convince everybody to like me

my intention is to try to speak to the

people out there who know what I'm

saying is the truth and who like the way

it's being presented and said I once

again have no concern with being

disliked by X and percentage of the

population and I want to make this clear

I've spoken to a lot of people who have

talked about how their mental health has

been affected by you know online

bullying and media campaigns and smear

campaigns I don't think anybody's been

attacked by the media in the last two

years harder than me every day there is

something in the media trying to paint

me as a bad person on on TV channels

from Ulan Batar to Utah across the

entire world and I can sit here and stay

categorically I've never read a media

report and been like [ __ ] I've just been

like clowns don't care that's a lot of

energy coming at you I mean psychic

energy coming at you and like have you

reconciled to this idea that you you're

you you're Andrew Tate you you know you

were born you have a life you have your

own inner world just doing your thing

and then there's an Andrew Tate that's

out there and people are projecting

their love and hate onto you and it's

not none of it's really real but you

have to hold all of that that mass

projection correct how how is that

yeah but then let's psychoanalyze me

right you're the professional I'm the

amateur but let's do it why don't I care

that the media continues to attempt to

slander me continuously and and they

don't do it to anybody else and it's

unfair that they're doing it to me

because if I was a genuine sexual

predator are like the people they defend

I'd be protected by these people you

know we can discuss this right if I was

if I was going into girls toilets they

wouldn't say anything bad about what I

was doing yeah so why are they the fact

that it's so unfair and it's so

pervasive and it's so aggressive why

doesn't it bother me am I ignorant it

doesn't bother you I don't think it does

you block it out I mean you must read

these things and you see your name

associated with these horrendous crimes

but it's not real it's it's it's it's

false but you're if what they were if

what a keto if what if what they were

saying was true it would bother me yeah

but genuinely because I know it's all

garbage it's all lies it doesn't it's

water off a duck's back and maybe my

obsession with truth is Obsession I

don't know if that's the right word but

because I believe I'm talking the truth

and because I believe the current War

we're in is genuinely one of Truth

against deception and lies that's their

only weapon sure that's their weapon is

deception and lies so everything they

say is a lie so it doesn't really affect

me and I I will sit and say that but I

know for me it's painful when I'm not

seen like my goodness isn't seen right

like it's painful or people misrepresent

the things that I say or judge me

because of my association with you like

it's it's painful I'm not seen correct

right and that can make me angry and and

maybe cause I don't know uh some some

kind of negative reaction within me and

and I guess I I'm just curious like

isn't it painful in some way like people

because there's a lot of people out

there

they don't see you they don't see your

goodness they only see this the dark

part of you or they project their own

Darkness onto you or their father's

Darkness or Trump whatever the [ __ ] it

is they project that on to you is in

some way

isn't that like but those people those

people are already paying the price

because but those people but for you I'm

saying for you your inner it doesn't

bother me because those people are

already paying the price for their

ignorance their minds are not free

anybody who sits and watches the news

and believes what the news says about me

is the same kind of person who believes

everything the news says and if you have

two choices in this world people are

talking about the Battle I'm in and yes

I may be spearheading it I may be at the

front of it but I believe that this war

cannot be avoided you are either at war

against the Injustice and against the

lies or you're at war with your own mind

when you believe they're garbage it is

impossible for a man to believe the crap

they want you to believe and be a happy

functioning adult it's impossible if you

believe the [ __ ] that's on the

television as a man you're going to be

miserable so you're either at war with

your brain you're at war with them

anyone who's going to sit there and go I

believe Andrew Tay is a human trafficker

I have 25 vaccines I believe in Ukraine

uh these people are already paying the

price because they're already miserable

and I can guarantee everyone who

dislikes me is an unhappy person because

their minds are enslaved so I don't feel

like

I don't feel when someone sits to me

when someone sits across from me which

has never happened in person but let's

say someone on the internet right makes

a video about me right and these happen

a new Andrew takes the worst man ever I

can load up the video and just look at

him

for a fraction of a second and go

he's paid he's paid the price right he's

already he's already miserable if I

if I repression would be real

trolls losers who have no who can't

compare to me in any human metric they

know it which is why they dislike me

because anybody who genuinely gets out

in the world and looks for truth and

looks to be successful and is tenacious

and is brave agrees with everything I

say

so I don't feel pain when someone sits

and says garbage about me because I

believe that their mind is already

suffering because they're not free their

mind's not freed anybody who can listen

to what I say long enough and not be

emotional about it and actually

understand it well those people aren't

paying a price so maybe that's a coping

mechanism but every single time I see a

woman who hates me or a man who hates me

and I compare them to the people who

like me there's a massive contrast in

overall physical attractiveness success

financial success like it's amazing so

it's like okay well my haters are way

down here and the people who agree with

me are way up here so let them hate

maybe they just resent you of course no

maybe I think I think a lot of the

reason this is happening to me is and

maybe this is arrogant but are you I'm

with the therapist so I'm allowed to be

arrogant right a lot of the reason this

is happening to me is because I'm I'm

I'm tall

and built muscles and cool cars and you

know smart people don't like me there's

people look at me and go he thinks he's

too cool teach him a lesson there's a

massive amount of resentment involved in

all of this yeah for even for even from

the Matrix itself even from the we talk

about the Matrix and I talk about it and

people you know of course we compare it

to the movie but at the end of the day

there are people moving Parts in all of

this there's a prosecutor there's a a

judge there's a lawyer whatever someone

is sitting in an office who gets a piece

of paper saying destroy Andrew Tate and

that person looks at my life and

Compares it to theirs and they feel

resentful and then they go okay let me

use every Power I have to try and

destroy this man right if my life wasn't

so aspirational as a word you can use

but it also didn't tick nearly every

single box in regards to

every teenage boy's dream

I think that they would be a lot less

interested in trying to hurt me right

they're trying to hurt me because of the

things I have and what I can do

so there's a massive level of resentment

in all of it and I also think the people

who dislike me a lot of it's resentful

it's either weaponized virtue or

resentment right

especially weaponized virtue let's talk

about that because whenever I have a

hater online

it's funny people who hate me in person

are very respectful to me it's very

strange

isn't it weird how the bottom line of

humanity is always going to be

physicality when they meet me they shut

up sure Warriors are very tough of

course but online

it's very hard to say I'm stupid it's

very hard to say I'm not successful it's

very hard to say I'm fat it's very hard

to say I'm ugly it's very hard to say

I'm not Charming or I'm not charismatic

it's very difficult to attack me with

anything other than the fact I'm a bad

person he's all these things he's

perfect in nearly every metric but he's

a bad person yeah right so how do you do

that will you take a virtue and you

weaponize it misogyny homophobic

whatever it is they pretend they care

about the subject when they don't and

they put it into a bullet and they shoot

at you and it's weaponized virtue it's

not genuine virtue these people who are

saying I'm a misogynist don't care about

women or care about combating misogyny

they just want to try and hurt me with

it yeah that's the first thing or the

second thing is genuine resentment yeah

I remind him of the guy who picked on

him in school yeah or the guy who [ __ ]

their girl took the girl off them and

and they don't like me for it but that's

not my problem that's their issue are

you defensive is there is that like a

defensive posture is the way that you

can be

I don't I really want what are you open

to these people no and when I talk to

you I don't want you to be open this is

this is what I think it is it's like you

are the man it's like you are the daddy

it's just like why are you being so mean

to me why are you [ __ ] yelling at me

I want you I need you brother like show

up in a good [ __ ] way where are you

like that's what's going on for them

emotionally perhaps yeah and so do you

have a responsibility in that place to

transcend the place you are in

to really fully realize

your leadership you know what I'm saying

that's a very good question

and when I'm talking to you I want to be

as honest and vulnerable as I've ever

been I'm trying to be as vulnerable as I

can be but

also

so let's let's talk about these people

who resent me the most are these people

who disagree with my message what's it

like for you to be vulnerable what's

that word even mean to you how do you

relate to that word of vulnerability

that's a really good question

I don't know I don't know how I relate

to the word vulnerability well you are

vulnerable

you can't put yourself out in the world

like this to be seen that is

invulnerable act getting into the ring

with another fighter where he might kick

your ass that's vulnerable that's that's

intense vulnerability I think but I

think emotional vulnerability nearly at

every form at every level is basically a

form of manipulation

so I maybe that's just how you

experienced it growing up perhaps was

your mother emotionally manipulative no

but if a girl cried in front of me

I believe she'd be trying to get an out

I don't think it's just because she

feels bad I think it's because she's

trying to get a reaction from me and I

think when men cry to their wives or

whatever A lot of it is trying to

inspire sympathy from her I think a lot

of emotional vulnerability to a degree I

would argue that is all manipulation

like that that that then that would

indicate that in some way that you are

manipulating we all manipulate each

other well that's what I'm saying so if

you're seeing manipulation in others

that must also exist in you and I guess

that's the question is is there a way

right like can you actually not be

manipulating and it manipulates a strong

word has a negative connotation but like

in some sense trying to control because

one of the things that I find in this

conversation right it's like I mean I

actually think you're you're going along

with my line of questioning really well

like it so it's you're not trying to

control everything but there is a way

right that you're you're you have a

tactic you're trying to control things

you're trying to get away from something

you're trying to control the

conversation on some level of course but

what if you gave that up well okay

I'm trying to be as vulnerable as

possible

like just the idea of it right like what

would happen if let's do it I'm trying

my very best old habits die hard but

just but but don't worry about the

result just ask yourself a question like

what would happen if yeah you let go of

trying to control everything just feel

in just feel into the what that would

feel like and and and but that goes back

to the point about what vulnerability is

because

I don't think humans are as emotionally

incontinent as they pretend to be and I

believe that when you truly feel pain or

truly feel trauma or something really

bad happens to you the result to that is

usually silence I don't think you talk

very much at all so people you ask me

what is it like to be vulnerable well to

me that's not crying that's not

I think when anyone's doing that 99 of

the time it's a manipulation tactic I

believe personally maybe that's just my

personal experience but yeah

maybe but I think especially with men

especially with men I think it's a

manipulation tactic when they try and

show too much emotion and women do it as

well and I don't react very well to it

if someone were to sit in front of me

and start bawling their eyes out it's

very hard to elicit sympathy from me for

that reason I feel like you get sympathy

from me by sitting and explaining to me

why something bad happened to you in a

logical calm stoic matter manner if

someone starts crying in front of me I

feel like they're trying to manipulate

me and I don't buy it or maybe you judge

it in them because you judge that in

yourself perhaps I mean it's my Human

Experience right and it's my bias right

but I'm trying to think of the very few

scenarios in which I would ever cry and

I'm thinking would it genuinely be

because I feel so much pain or if I

think it could benefit me or help me

would I be trying to manipulate somebody

now that's not something I'd ever do

because it's not my personality and

mental frame but I but crying is just a

physiological reaction to express pain

and grief that allows us to release this

and to come back to homeostasis

well it can be it's don't attack me but

it's also a physiological response oh

completely but it's don't attack me

anymore it's I'm the victim don't attack

me yes I cheated on you

ah don't live it's it's a shield and so

when we talk about what does vulnerable

mean I feel like I'm being vulnerable

now when I'm explaining things extremely

logically that's as vulnerable as I can

be I cannot be the kind of person who's

gonna

cry but once again this is my mental

model I haven't instilled is that what

it means vulnerability cry

I guess vulnerability what about

admitting your weaknesses I'll admit my

weaknesses

then this is see this is so interesting

because I will tell you no it is because

I will tell you I'll admit my weaknesses

and I will

but now I have to try and identify some

because in my mental in my mental

framework I don't have weaknesses right

so now it's like okay I am prepared to

admit where I'm weak where am I weak

well I've tried so hard for so long to

make sure I'm not weak anywhere and if I

am I've compensated so heavily in some

other way I don't fail

so I was like where am I weak I'm that

guy who does not fail it doesn't matter

what scenario anybody's life is in it

doesn't matter if you get dumped into

jail it doesn't matter if you're going

into war doesn't matter if you're

bankrupt whatever it is if someone says

tapes on your side you feel good I'll

Tate's here God Tate okay yeah he can't

even he can't even swim but he's here to

he's the Lifeguard Tate doesn't fail I

can't swim but it's an example right so

I I do not fail ever

so it's very hard for me to identify

weaknesses because I feel like they've

all been ruthlessly

I think I've rooted out any weakness or

I've compensated so heavily so long ago

I don't see myself as a weak person I

don't see myself as a person who can

fail people said to me in jail how did

you handle that

what else can I do not handle it what

does that look like we're gonna bang my

head on the wall like a dummy am I gonna

am I gonna have a breakdown and just be

a be a pile of mush all you can do is

handle it so I've I

we're talking about vulnerability I'm

being as vulnerable as I can but I can't

even I can't even honestly sit here and

tell you a weakness I have because in my

mind I have no weaknesses and perhaps

that's delusion

perhaps that's

Perhaps Perhaps Perhaps it's delusion

yeah but that's but a useful delusion is

what you're saying it's it's brutally

useful yeah and when I teach this or

when I talk about this there's a lot of

men who perhaps want to adopt it but the

mistake they make is they don't have the

real world experience to back it up I

don't want people to be completely lose

their minds yeah we're not talking about

that but we're talking about the fact

that I can name so many scenarios in my

life where I was supposed to fail and I

did not fail I am it's brutally

realistic it's brutally logical it's

built on competence it's built on real

world of Accolade and achievement

everything I've ever wanted I have

achieved and I have gotten I have never

failed anything I've ever wanted ever so

how am I going to wake up and say oh

I've got this weakness that weakness

when I have 100 success rate 100 there's

never a girl I wanted I didn't get

there's never a car I wanted I didn't

drive there's never a scenario where I

said I want to get through this I didn't

get through it I've never failed so of

course I'm going to sit and say yeah I I

love to tell you my weaknesses I can't

think of any I don't know right but it

are you being humbled right now

is this whole series of events of events

humbling you it's it's taught me things

I already knew

I know you can't be bigger than a

justice system I was saying Icarus for a

reason I knew they would come for me I

know I'm only human but you're not in do

you I do I'm just a very good one

I'm just a very good one is there

somewhere inside your belief that you're

Invincible like you you can't get got

because that that is a dangerous [ __ ]

Distortion no no I wouldn't have been

saying Icarus for that reason right

I'm actually far more cautious than most

people would believe I err on the side

of caution you're tactical I'm very

Tactical

with all of my life even the security I

organized the places I stay where I go

I'm extremely tactical I don't believe

I'm Superman I just believe that I do

not fail and because you have no

weaknesses doesn't mean you can't lose

right you you can be strong in all

Realms and still lose there are world

champion boxers who are who have no

weakness they do everything right and

they lose fights right so I'm not saying

I'm invincible

I'm just saying if you ask me to name my

weakness

I can't think of one what would you ask

the guys sure you can you can you can

ask people you can ask people around me

I would love to hear it and I guess

I can tell you what people say about me

well do actually that's a good question

do you feel like uh you get I mean I

guess Tristan

but do you get honest reflection can you

trust the reflection because you know

you're at the center of this kind of

Empire and and you have all of these

friends and but but can you

trust the information that's coming to

you from anyone because everybody's got

I mean I'm here in some way for my own

self-interest right and the fact that

you trust me is it was interesting to me

you let me in your house I I assume that

you have some kind of instinct about it

but that must be hard like to trust

I get a lot of feedback and it all goes

into a big pile and I and I listen to

every word that said to me I'm not the

person who's Beyond reproach everyone I

work with a lot of people have said

things to me and I I'm told about myself

quite often yeah and I put it all in a

pile and I analyze every single World

carefully I ignore most of it but I do

listen to it and

I guess the number one bad or negative

thing that people will say about me

who know me is they may say I'm very

insensitive I hear that sometimes

usually from usually from women you're

insensitive I'm insensitive because I

think once you become a ruthless Problem

Solver you come across to a degree is

incentive we have this big issue when

everyone's crying okay stop crying fix

the issue right it's it's you have to be

insensitive okay what are you crying

about let's fix that right well you know

you know that's wrong well a lot of

people want to vent they don't want to

fix the problem they want to I just need

you to be with them and understand here

you are baby I love you complete you're

rolling your eyes yeah but but I'm

important that's what I'm saying so when

you become a ruthless Problem Solver

right you become to a degree incentive

now there are some scenarios which that

doesn't work right there's some some

problems you can't fix the death of a

loved one that's different yeah but if

people are crying about something which

is very fixable it's very difficult for

me to be in interested in their crying

and I'll tell you why because if I have

a set standard for myself if I wouldn't

allow myself that luxury it's very hard

for me to give it out to everybody else

if I don't allow myself the luxury of

being incompetent because of an emotion

then it's very hard for me to look at

others and go well you're allowed to be

incompetent because of your emotions and

you're allowed to be incompetent because

your emotions and I'll just deal with

the struggle of never being incompetent

ever regardless of how I feel if I have

standard for myself I'm going to implore

my standard or imply my standard on

others if they don't meet that standard

then they're going to call me

insensitive what would you have to give

up to become more sensitive particularly

to your women I'm very I'm a very

sensitive romantic nice man yeah in

general I'm actually a romantic man I

get called that a law no one calls me

cold right it's different you're loving

completely

but I when it comes to problems

especially right I am incense I am can

be incentive default to problem solving

absolutely not what they want what's the

issue

understand and hold them they want to

cry about the problem a while and time

is expensive time is money time is money

I'm like okay yeah yeah boom boom fixed

no but you don't understand I do

understand now it's fixed

next like

right I think that's just but I think

that's just competence and I think

that's genuinely I think most men are

kind of like that perhaps I'm just I'm

just hyper like that yes

um so I get called insensitive sometimes

what else do people say negative about

me this is interesting are you arrogant

well the difference between arrogance

and reality is just competence isn't it

uh say that again the difference between

arrogance

and a healthy grasp of reality is only

going to be the competence of an

individual it's one way of looking at it

but if I can kick the [ __ ] out of

everybody for example and I say I can

kick the [ __ ] out of everybody am I

arrogant uh not necessarily it depends

on the the kind of energy of it right

but I mean one might say that arrogance

hides in security like are there places

where you're

insecure

that's another very good question but

let me think about this for a second and

answer it because these are questions

I've never been asked before

but I don't okay so where am I insecure

about I this is another point and maybe

this is a personality characteristic

which is interesting

I don't do anything I'm bad at ever

like sing yeah like saying I cannot sing

so I will not sing

and I'd love to hear you say I'm sure

you wouldn't

but maybe that once again shapes my

reality because I refuse to do anything

I am bad at if I'm bad at it I hire

someone else to do it or I find someone

else who's good at it and I offer value

for them to do it I don't do any my

entire reality why why because you don't

want to I mean there's the things you're

incompetent in and you have time but

like

uh because you're scared to look uh

foolish or not be good at something and

people are going to see oh Tate's not so

great at everything oh I don't think

it's emotional I think it's purely

logical I'm thinking about my day every

single thing I do are the things I am

absolute best at if I I'll put boxing

gloves on after this and I'll go fight

and I'll be everybody I'll destroy

everyone and I think I only enjoy things

that I'm good at and I also think that

if I have X amount of hours in the day

the way I can be the most competitive

most fearsome predators to spend all of

my waking time doing things I'm the best

at and leave things I'm not good at to

the other people who perhaps are good at

them if you're an accountant and you

want to become as rich as possible then

what you do is as many hours as as

possible accounting but you're

rationalizing I am correct so let me

rationalize it I'll rationalize it yeah

but that's what you do and that's it

that that can be a defense I mean

rationalization is a classic defense

yeah but that's my right and you're

really good at it but right right but

it's like a sword you have that's super

sharp and you want to use it all the

time all the time yeah but what if you

set it down and realize there's other

tools available in your toolkit maybe

you need to develop those but

rationalizing is how I built my mind

it's all you have to give it up the

sword's right there you just have to use

it all the time but but it's but it's

all my entire framework and how I view

the world has all been one massive

rationalization and it's lent it's let

me build a reality which is exactly what

I wanted to be no you must know that

that has limitations

because you can't rationalize everything

that's not what life is isn't it right

there's any well there's there's other

layers of reality that the Mind does not

understand

okay well right you're right and just

because I rationalize things doesn't

mean I don't feel things

but

yeah I know you feel things yeah I feel

things

and I know you're I actually know that

you're really sensitive like I feel I

wouldn't be here yeah if I thought you

were some you know maniacal psychopath

cool it's because I'm here because I can

and that's what I think a lot of people

saw in in the interview

um they felt your sensitivity they felt

your vulnerability and they were really

attracted to it oh I'm a lot more

sensitive than people know and this is

one of the things I like to say when I

talk about depression not being real or

how life is pain and suffering that

doesn't mean I I'm not saying those

things because I've never felt them yeah

I'm saying those things because I know

them intimately I'm saying those things

because I know exactly how it would feel

to label myself a depressed person yeah

I know it very well I just refused to do

it right so yeah I'm absolutely not

really a sensitive person I would label

myself sensitive

but maybe but maybe one second I just

want to go back to my original point

maybe my world view is affected by and

we're talking about arrogance when you

wake up and all you do are things your

World level at yeah everything you do

are things you're fantastic at right all

of the time and you beat everybody all

of the time at all of it yeah aren't you

going to have a degree a tinge perhaps

of arrogance of course of course you are

so but what I label myself an arrogant

person well I'm not going to sit down

and say I'm good at something I'm not

right so I don't think I'm unrealistic

are you are you taking on the full

responsibility that you have given all

of the gifts that you've been given by

God yeah do you do you is there any

place where you're uh not taking on

responsibility for that no I think I

take care of absolutely everybody I love

in every single way I think anybody

who's ever needed me I've been there for

them if they've deserved it I think

anybody who listens to my message is

becoming a better person overall I

genuinely believe I'm fixing and helping

Society I don't know what else more I'm

supposed to do I mean to a degree I'm

almost martyred myself what else more

can I do my options at this point are

either to continue to help people and

explain to men why I became so

successful which is all I'm basically

doing I'm saying you're a man and you're

upset and you want to be ex I'm telling

you how I became what I wanted to be

this is what I did is there anything

beyond the things you just said that

you're responsible for like what is your

responsibility here my responsibility

well I guess ultimately to yourself it's

to your family first right to to what is

your responsibility to God

I think God wants me to be the best

possible version of myself I think that

God dislikes people who are lazy I said

this to somebody once and he got very

offended I said God doesn't like lazy

people God has created you and he wants

to see the absolute best you can be I

think that if you don't take care of

yourself God has no interest in taking

care of you if you have a Ferrari on the

drive and you don't take care of it

who's going to take care of it nobody I

think that taking care of yourself and

being the best possible version of

yourself you can be is how you please

God I think that's one of the best ways

to praise him is to wake up every day

and say I need to be the strongest

smartest fastest most fearsome most

stoic most capable man I can possibly be

this is how I please God so I think your

duty to God is also these things and

that's another massive source of

strength that I that I get when I'm

alone in a jail cell I understand that

God is still watching and God would be

unhappy if I couldn't handle it I I

don't think maybe we can we can talk

about God or we can also talk just about

basic Cosmic balance I don't believe you

can become the most famous man on the

planet calling yourself the top G

without the universe testing you if

you're really about it I don't think

it's you're going to get to a point

where the universe whatever you want to

call it is going to say is he really the

top G yeah and you're going to have to

prove it if you walk through life and

say I'm I'm made of iron I'm Mr tough

guy sooner or later someone's going to

check you right and find out if you are

or not right so when I was doing this

for a very long time I wasn't ignorant

to the fact that something's going to

come along and see if I am who I am so

when I'm sitting in a jail cell by

myself with cockroaches all over the

floor I'm like okay this is my chance to

show I'm not full of [ __ ] right was I

full of [ __ ] no I wasn't am I going to

allow everything I've ever said in my

last name and my duty to God and

everything to go down the pan or am I

going to just man up and [ __ ] win

right so I saw it I guess to a degree as

an opportunity but there was a massive

burden of responsibility on me on how I

had to perform I didn't have time to be

depressed or sad this is what I'm saying

to you earlier I didn't have time I had

I had things to do top G's kids can't

eat top G's women can't pay the bills

top G's business is over talk to no I

had to fix all of it from jail and fix

myself and get out I was very busy

inside of my brain staring at a wall

so I didn't have time for this and and

this is another thing I try and explain

to people and I don't understand about

and I talk about men specifically

because I understand how to be

successful as a man when men say to me

they're depressed with unlimited options

with the capability to become anything

you desire with God giving you a full

and Able Body in mind how do you have

time

to be depressed you have so much you

could do there's so much that you need

to do to be your best self and you're

competing against men like me and you're

finding hours a day to be sad no wonder

you're going to perpetually lose forever

that's suicide so how do you find time

to do this

it's it's brutally ineffective you have

a brain you have a mind you have a

mental model you can't think of

everything you can't do everything you

can only have certain Frameworks

instilled inside of your mind as a man

you should be hyper competitive if

you're trying to be the best version of

yourself you can be you're competing

against every other man on Earth for the

girl you want the car you want the house

you want the watch you wear it's all

competition you should be as competitive

as you possibly can anything that's

inside of your mind which doesn't allow

you to be competitive should be erased

this is why I can't name a weakness I

can't name a weakness I have I've

compensated so heavily for any weakness

that may exist I don't even see them

anymore

is your belief in God tied into this

concept that we talked about that what's

useful is more important than what's

true or better than what's true so we

don't do we know that God exists I mean

we don't know correct but it's useful to

believe in God that's a very good

question

I think that believing in God certainly

makes you more powerful yeah which is

proof for God if God makes you more

powerful than God is real yeah so maybe

that's very simplistic but if I believe

in God and I'm a more powerful version

of myself because I believe in him then

he must exist yes God has made me more

powerful well it's the act of believing

him that makes him exist which is

another way of saying correct yeah so

this is why I believe faith is such an

important thing but I think everybody

has a God anyway yeah there's no such

thing as atheists if you look at the

people who say I don't believe in God

they worship a flag and a vaccine yeah

so everyone believes in something yeah

so you have to decide what your religion

is and I once again

refuse to believe anything that takes

away power from me I believe in things

that may be more powerful and I believe

that believing in God gives you a new

degree of strength and I also think

everybody to some degree believes in God

I don't care what anybody says if you

put anyone in that submarine just before

it imploded everyone would pray yeah

everyone yeah so it's ignorant to even

say you don't believe in God at this

point it's interesting that you chose

Islam and I heard you talk a little bit

about how you see God in Islam uh as

kind of you know

I don't know harshness but like firm and

directional and clear and this is right

and this is wrong which sounds a lot

like your dad well it sounds a lot of

Life yeah like life there's there's

right and wrong in life all this

complete subjectiveness this mush

they're trying to create yeah is done on

purpose to confuse us yeah I like the

idea of right and wrong I like the idea

of not having a choice if you walk in if

you're hungry and you walk in to buy a

sandwich and there's 100 sandwiches it

takes 10 minutes if there's one sandwich

isn't life easier sometimes yeah so all

this subjectiveness and all this choice

and all this garbage sometimes when I'm

like okay I want to be a good person I

want framework to adhere to that makes

me a good person well this is very clear

yes no easy

have you had do you have like embodied

experiences of God like do you do you

relate to God in that way you know I

want to say Supernatural but

um like do you feel God

I absolutely feel him and there's

certain times where

I may feel particularly energetic when

do you feel God so

usually when I'm feeling powerful uh-huh

there's been times I was in jail and I

just got up and I just felt like you

know what yeah like just Shadow boxed a

bit I don't know it's like you just felt

it like I'll be okay I will win

I don't feel God when I'm sad or

something like that I think that the

whole idea of spirituality and I believe

God himself he wants the best for you

and

it's interesting yeah how we're tying

religion to to My World Views because my

World Views were the same before

religion I guess before it was

to cause Moss or just the way the

universe works or light dark yin yang

Etc I still say these things but now I

attribute a lot more of it to

spirituality a lot more of it to God and

yeah I chose Islam because it's firm and

I believe that I'm a person with firm

principles so I'm obviously gonna

I like in myself or I'm going to feel

Affinity to a religion that has firm

principles because that's who I am as a

person I'm a person who's principled yes

no and I have no problem with people

sitting with me and saying what you're

saying is bigoted or what you're saying

is wrong or what you're saying is

insensitive I think Islam also has a

similar issue yeah I think you also

chose the winning team oh it's

completely the winning team I mean it's

the winning team because and it's

winning team and I didn't choose it

because

the winning team because it has

principles yeah I agree and

unfortunately when you have no

principles if you stick up if you don't

believe in it if you have no hard line

if you'll accept anything then you don't

believe in anything as soon as you'll

accept anything then you have no

hardcore beliefs you have if you have

any set of principles or you have any

things you believe in there's going to

end up being a barrier and the people

who fall outside of those barriers are

going to be offended by it that's the

reality of it if you have a religion or

a belief system that doesn't offend

anybody that it's not a religious or

belief system that's my view so yeah I

chose the winning team because I think

more and more people are starting to

understand how important God is in

society we're this is the first time in

human history we're testing Society

without God and what do we have we have

evil yeah we have Satanism we have

degeneracy and I think that most people

are starting to understand that God is

really needed when I was young I used to

make fun of what Bible Bashers let's

make fun of them yeah and now I'm like

we need more where are they we need more

Bible Bashers so uh

yeah and I I guess I certainly feel more

powerful since I've reverted but I

always felt powerful anyway but I guess

now instead of just believing it's the

cosmic nature of the universe or

let me change that I always felt a

strong Affinity to my last name and my

ancestors so I always had a to a degree

a spiritual aspect to where I got my

strength I always felt like when my dad

is watching me or my ancestors tried

very hard for me to be born so I can't

disappoint them so I've always had this

spiritualistic side like I can't my

imagine the disappointment my ancestors

would feel if they fought saber-toothed

tigers and survived World War II and

went through all the garbage they went

through just for my father to be born

and then he suffered like he suffered to

raise me for me to be raised and become

the most famous man in the world and

call myself top G and then cry when I

went to jail

no I go to jail with my head hell high

and if they put me in jail for the next

20 years I'll walk in there with my head

held high and if anybody sees me I'm not

gonna be a broken man I refuse to be a

broken man it's disrespectful to

everybody who ever died or tried hard

for me to be raised for me to emerge

from this difficulty as a broken person

that's absolutely not least selfish when

a man sits and says to me he's broken or

he's depressed or he's sad Etc that's

selfishness you have [ __ ] to do and you

have people to be respectful to

including people who are no longer here

I don't have time they can put me in

solitary confinement for 20 years and

when I walk out of there and the first

podcast I do I refuse to be called

broken I refuse

and that's because I feel like I had a

duty to my ancestors and now I feel like

I have a Duke to my ancestors and a duty

to God so I've always felt that and I

assume you feel like you're fulfilling

your duty that your father would be

proud of you I absolutely believe you'd

be extremely powerful and proud of me I

think I'm doing the best I can possibly

do and there's something that people say

you tried your best and that's true but

a lot of people overuse it people say oh

well you didn't get it but you tried

your best 99 of the time they didn't try

their best people don't actually try

very hard for things anymore I am truly

genuinely trying my best I don't waste a

minute of my day before this podcast as

they set up cameras I'm working I don't

waste a minute of my day I do not miss a

training session I do not miss an email

I do not make mistakes I no longer like

I'm on it so I'm trying my absolute best

if I fail for the first time in human

history then I failed but at least I get

the satisfaction in my heart of knowing

I actually really tried my best most

people don't get to get that

satisfaction because they know deep down

they could have tried a bit harder

whereas if I end up in jail I'll be like

Andrew you did everything you could have

done

so you that gives you a level of peace I

did my best my ancestors are proud of me

God is proud of me I did my absolute

best I couldn't have possibly done

better and I got hit with a lucky punch

and that's life and all I can do is just

smile regardless

are your your oration skills is that an

art do you think

I think that

if you don't have the ability to make

other people understand exactly what you

think

that you're going to struggle but is it

is it is it an art like when I watched

you with pbd and you got in the zone you

did you do it all the time and you're

doing it right now you get in these

zones where it's just like you're just

flowing I mean that's it's almost you

can say it's a god state right it's a

flow State and it must feel really good

it does yeah like it feels good that you

never run out of things to say and it

feels good that I already have 10 things

I want to say lined up before I say the

first ones and you know how to say them

perfectly and your voice is clear and

resonant and you're you're embodied in

it it's a skill it's a skill well it's

but it's almost like an art because I

was watching it and I was thinking this

is like watching you know Charlie Parker

play the sacks or Michael Jordan play

basketball I mean you really and and

people might say oh those are

exaggerations but I don't I don't think

so I don't I don't know that I've seen

somebody who's able to do what you do

but that's emotional so we'll talk about

how I'm actually quite a sensitive

person yeah I think the reason people

believe what I say is because they can

feel the I feel when I talk yes and it's

because I feel things yes so I'm not a

cold person at all I'm just a person

with a lot of emotion that I try and

control and channel in the correct

directions but I think that yes it's a

superpower to a degree well I think

that's why people are one of the reasons

that people are so drawn to you because

you let whatever wants to come through

come through and it's also why so many

people hate me yeah of course yeah

because there's no light without dark

yeah there's no you know there's no joy

without pain you can't have a rainbow

without little rain that's how it goes

so I think that it's definitely

a super powerful life it's something I'd

encourage every man to learn how to do

it's certainly something worth

practicing it's the reason I don't learn

another language because I haven't

mastered English yet right so I refuse

to learn another language I I can't

imagine me and my personality Andrew

Tate stuttering in Spanish it just be

like what is this garbage so I don't

have time so I will only speak English

for the rest of my human years that's it

because I've not learned every word in

the dictionary yet yeah but

yeah I guess to a degree it's a

superpower

it's extremely beneficial in all aspects

of life especially relationships I'm not

gonna lie it's very I don't argue with

women very often because any woman who

respects me and listens to me I can very

quickly and compenduously explain

exactly why I'm correct it's maybe the

most powerful skill it the most powerful

thing about it is there's there's two

levels to it one making people

understand exactly what you think yes

and the second one is making them think

what you think right right right and if

you can do the second one do you like to

make people think what you think like

like what like because you have a lot of

influence

and that's got to feel good you're

influencing people you have this world

view it's it's a powerful worldview it's

got you know all these things and so you

want to influence other people in some

way to to adopt that I think that

charity even of itself I think charity

is probably one of the most selfish

things you can do which most people say

I'm giving money I give 25 million a

year there's a website takepledge.com

you can see it and I feed children all

across war-torn countries mainly in the

Islamic world and in Africa

am I doing that for the children yes but

I also feel great I feel good for doing

that of course so this it's not a

selfless act no nothing selfless nothing

and it shouldn't be and it shouldn't be

that's right so when I'm helping all

these people out here I'm not doing it

because I'm some philanthropist I feel

good helping people and people sending

me emails saying you changed my life I

feel good about it I'm not going to sit

here and pretend I'm just Mr

philanthropist and I just care about the

world no I like helping people because I

feel good about doing it it makes me

feel good inside yeah which is why I do

it so yeah I use my power to feel good

and I think the best the easiest way to

feel good is to make others feel good I

believe that humans exist that way and I

think that's why we're societal animals

even in jail when I felt my worst

my goal was to make someone else smile

because if I can make someone else smile

I would smile

so if all my worst days I was my most

Charming my most energetic my most

interesting my most talkative yeah I was

happiest on my worst day because I

decided that's how I have to be to stop

myself feeling bad

because I decided I also feel like

you know it's kind of interesting

no one's emotionless and I certainly

feel things and I'm going to come up

with a theory which you're going to call

complete garbage because I am not

qualified but this is my theory I go for

it I believe

that emotional energy is a lot like a

bucket of War you have all this

emotional energy right you have a bucket

of war and then you have a bunch of

different holes you can pour it down so

I believe if you wake up one day and you

feel particularly depressed you don't

feel depressed you just have a lot of

emotional energy that day some days you

don't have that much emotional energy

and life's pretty calm but some days you

wake up and you have this big bucket of

water and the superpower is deciding

which emotion you're going to put it in

not to not feel the energy but to decide

which emotion you're going to put it in

and I think that's my superpower I don't

have the superpower of being able to

stop myself feeling things I have the

superpower of being able to choose how I

use that energy and what I decide to

feel

and then if you want to be hyper

successful as a person you have to be

very careful to avoid the happy hole

because happy is what everyone thinks

they would choose if you had this

emotional energy and could choose any

emotion you'd choose happy but if you

choose happy you don't get much done

what do you choose I choose

if I had to choose how I wanted to feel

all the time I would choose proud and

proud means you have to work proud means

you have to do things you have to

achieve things if you want to be proud

and be realistic you have to do

fantastic things so my default favorite

emotion is proud right that's how I I'm

happiest when I feel proud about

anything well and the organism releases

dopamine in the brain when we do hard

work I have to win all the time I I love

proud to feel good I don't like happy if

I feel happy getish happiness like a

child or like a female is usually

default to happy they don't care how

they get there they just want to get

there right they just want to feel happy

I avoid the happy hole because I think

people who are desperate to only feel

happy are the ones who are addicts you

know gambling addicts drug addicts drink

too much do dumb [ __ ] it's all temporary

no delayed gratification that's how you

destroy your life choosing the happy

hole so

we're talking earlier about jail and how

when I felt particularly bad I'd wake up

with a whole bunch of emotional energy

it's unchanneled it's a bit wild so I

guess that can be perceived as sad or

depressed you're out of your routine so

I would sit and go I have all this

emotional energy today where am I going

to put it and I put it in a place where

perhaps on that day I might feel happy

or perhaps I choose something else but I

would try my very best to take all the

energy and put it into a place where

the feeling that emotion

was the most competitive emotional or is

the perfect emotion for me to be as

competitive as possible in that

particular scenario

so yeah on days where I woke up and I

felt a little bit sad I'd be like okay

I'm going to turn the charm on today I'm

going to make everybody laugh right and

by the end of the day I felt fantastic

do you think God wants to break you

if God wants to rape me he's going to do

it

because we said right the heroes there

must be death in rebirth so what like

something you have to be broken at some

point you must

be broken you you can't fulfill your

mission without being broken and

whatever that is it has to terrify you

but can't I be

semi-broken or semi-close to broken and

back from the edge back from the edge

and rebirth that's that's the archetype

right and what does that require it goes

It goes means going into the cave and

facing Your Dragon which is your deepest

fear and feeling like it's going to kill

you and then entering into the void of

nothingness and then coming out the

other side reborn and in that place

where you're reborn you're going to know

things that you did not know sitting

right here but you're gonna have a much

bigger perspective right I mean you

agree with that template right I agree

with it but I feel like I can just I

don't feel like around that not get

around it but I don't ever have to fully

die like I can just come close enough

enough times like I'm not gonna under no

of course of course but I'm not gonna

underplay house significantly difficult

my jail experience was

because you do talk about like how tough

you are you managed it and I guess I'm

I'm and which is I believe that I'm not

but

I you know there had to be moments where

you're just like it was terrible despair

no it was absolutely or fear or like but

this is very interesting into your death

and rebirth point because when it felt

completely terrible I do have the

emotional control to not feel that but I

decided to let myself feel it because I

felt like I wouldn't learn as much if I

turned my brain off that's right so we

I've talked on pbd about Tristan Tristan

and I have the same superpower Tristan

didn't care about jail he didn't care

you didn't or he he acted like he didn't

care he acted like he didn't care but

that's it was his coping mechanism don't

care about jail I decided no I'm gonna

care I'm gonna feel everything I'm gonna

allow myself to feel these negative

emotions because I feel like I will

learn more I could have done what

Tristan did I could have woke up and

said one day or later they let me out

still Rich give a [ __ ] right could have

done that I didn't do that

and Jay that's why he sleeps that's why

I have nightmares because I don't

believe his jail experience was that

traumatic because he he was very he

turned his brain off to it and and that

is a superpower yes and and I do have

that power if I went to war I could go

to war and watch all my friends be blown

to pieces and still fight I would still

be capable I can turn my brain off if I

have to but I decided not to because I

felt that feeling things would teach me

more which is why I'm kind of arguing

your point about death and rebirth

because I feel like I don't have to

fully break I just have to get close

enough to the edge to learn something

and come back why not break because if I

break then

there's too much my Empire might fall

man you don't know exactly you don't I

don't know that's scary it is scary yeah

so why would I that's why you don't want

to break completely scary I don't want

to lose what I have yeah

mentally but physically financially yeah

but that attachment what would God say

to that attachment I don't want to lose

what I have but okay I don't want to

lose what I have because I also have a

responsibility for others

let me tell you something if my mind

broke and I couldn't come back from that

what's more important your family or God

does God want me to break I don't know

you just asked you asked a question and

if he does I will break right right but

you don't have a choice I won't have a

choice but but jail itself was was

terrible like we're talking about

vulnerability I can sit and explain all

the things I struggle with in jail it

was absolutely terrible and I think a

lot of people who are watching this I

think they need to keep in mind I wasn't

in jail I was in Romanian jail which is

what's the difference well it's the

poorest country in Europe and it was

built during communism and it's

basically designed to torture

cockroaches yeah I mean it's not like

jail like we imagine jail I don't want

to insult the Romanian justice system I

don't assault any Romanians I'm still

within the confines of Romania but I

think most people at home understand

what I'm talking about

I didn't have yard time I didn't have

any friends I was in a room for 93 days

I did not leave that room unless I was

being dragged to court in a language I

didn't understand to be sent back to the

room

yeah it was hard I did a four day Vision

Quest four days four nights no food or

water out in the mountains like in a

restricted area like just like a prison

cell and that was took me to my Edge so

I can't even imagine and yeah 93 days

yeah I mean it's terrible and you don't

know how long you're gonna be in there

for yeah and you have no control over

anything

and uh you don't sleep very well people

think you just sleep it off but you

can't the jail is very loud there's a

lot of distressed people in there a lot

of upset people the energy is sad yeah

it's it's it's a it's it's a bad place

to be but I knew that my only option was

to deal with it so I knew that not

handling it wasn't an option so if not

handling it it's not an option the only

option left is handling it so you just

have to find the best way to do it

and I certainly allowed myself to feel a

lot of emotions in there that I could

have probably blocked out

so that I could learn as many lessons as

possible

and I've learned a lot of things

but I would say that

I mean all in all I understood as a man

you need to have a strong body so you're

not attacked by anyone else in a strong

mind so you don't attack yourself and I

think jail in many ways is just

pressurized life

and if you feel a little bit angry

outside of jail you'll be very angry in

jail it's pressurized life and you can't

distract yourself with anything most

people if you feel angry right now

you're like oh that pissed me off and

then you got your phone and talk to

someone else about something else you

distract yourself but you're left alone

with your thoughts and you can't

distract yourself

and uh God decided to put me in there to

learn some things and I think it just

confirmed a bunch of things I already

knew and I think it was a chance for me

to prove to him and to prove to myself

I'm not full of [ __ ]

and I think that that was did you worry

that you were full of [ __ ] never

but it's good when you get to testing no

but this is actually the truth

I I said top G right it's the names

nickname blah blah Tip Top G

the basic premise behind it and why I'm

idolized by all these young men

especially is on top G the number one G

the guy who can do anything he's the guy

I never for a second when I was saying

it didn't mean it I never for a second

when I was saying it thought I was full

of [ __ ] so God was like okay let's find

out he's full of [ __ ] right and I was

placed there and I said all right this

is a chance for me to prove to myself

and prove to God and prove to the man

watching on the to the prison guards and

prove to everyone else my ancestors that

I'm not full of [ __ ] I had a sense of

Duty in there and I feel like I

performed exceptionally and it doesn't

matter if they kept me in there for

three months or three years or 30 years

I have to perform that's who I am and I

will default to rationalizing as you

said whatever it takes I will come up

with any rationale and I will say it in

any way which is interesting and

engaging and convincing enough to the

outside world and to myself to install

it in my brain that allows me to compete

that's just what I'm going to do because

I don't want to lose anything ever and

yeah life perhaps if we want to

extrapolate this out

perhaps God's trying to break all of us

maybe life is a big competition of who

breaks last I would actually argue

I would argue and I said this before

that the number one indicator of a man's

success is his ability to deal with

stress I don't think it's IQ I don't

think it's physical capability I don't

think it's anything if you take a man

who can deal with a bunch of stress he's

going to be more successful than a man

who can deal with less stress how much

stress you can put up with has a direct

correlation to the kind of life you're

going to live most people who want my

life don't have my life because they

couldn't handle my life yeah that's why

they go I want to be like hey I want

fast cars and private jets and all these

girls and all these kids and Allah but

they couldn't handle it they couldn't

deal with the pressure of it which is

why they'll never get there because even

they get anywhere near it they'll have a

mental breakdown so how how big your

life is and how successful you are in

the Physical Realm is directly linked

how much stress you can deal with and

perhaps Gold's trying to break all of us

he's trying to find all of our limits I

think most people at home watching this

probably have something going on in

their mind right now or something going

on in their lives it might break them

yeah to me it would be nothing to them

it's a big deal yeah so God's out here

to break all of us and I want to be the

guy who breaks last

well he's trying maybe he's trying to

make us stronger give us give us tests

to help us evolve to help us grow to

help us know him more absolutely so

let's assume that's what God is doing to

a degree he's trying to see where all of

us would break you have two responses to

that you can either be intimidated by

the fact that God is out there trying to

make your life difficult or you can be

excited by the idea of it and saying

this is my chance to prove myself to God

right which is what I was saying earlier

on the very beginning of our podcast why

I have adopted the mindset where

struggle is semi-exciting to me God is

out here trying to ask me questions or

put me through scenarios where I get to

prove myself to him and perhaps that's

why all the bad things happen maybe

that's why that girl left you maybe

that's why he made you love her so much

so that she could break your heart and

[ __ ] your best friend on purpose so that

you to see how close you could come to

Breaking maybe that's what it's all

about maybe that's the fun of it the

Mantra that I use is yes thank you

whatever comes whatever comes yes thank

you and yes is an acceptance to God and

thank you is gratitude for what's

happening and that mindset is is a kind

of surrender to God's will yeah

do you struggle between

I mean your will

is very strong yeah and I I can feel the

place where you like to impose your will

in the world so your will versus God's

will well he'll win are you in are you

but you're enough are you in a fight

with God and some level like not not

literally but unconsciously uh between

his will and your will no I think I'm

doing I think I am doing his will

I think I am doing his will which is is

what it takes to uh be truly successful

in the world I do believe that the moral

Arc of the universe does Bend towards

truth and that's not my saying I think

that's Martin Luther King's but I think

that it bends towards truth and Justice

in the end I think that the battles we

are currently fighting in society which

look hopeless in the end can can be won

and I feel like I am doing his will by

standing up and telling the truth I

think I'd have to be a complete Coward

of a man to end up having all of the

masculine Youth of a planet paying

attention to every word I say and then

say Oh but if I tell them good things if

I help them and help the World by

extension I might get in trouble that'd

make me a [ __ ] and that's not who I am

so if I think if you give any man worth

his salt that degree of power and

influence and responsibility he's going

to stand up and say okay this is how you

should live as a man and this is how you

can make the world a better place unless

he's afraid of the repercussions by the

evil people by the people on the other

side who are genuinely evil and satanic

who are about to destroy good and Truth

and I'm not a coward I've never seen

myself as a coward and in fact we don't

talk about vulnerability the number one

thing I could never exist as is a coward

I think that's you won't talk about my

biggest fear it would be knowing I'm a

coward seeing myself as a coward and

being very realistic and knowing I was

actually a coward I couldn't I couldn't

accept that because I feel like I would

be disappointing all of my ancestors and

God and I would have been full of [ __ ]

all the time I was talking now I'm a

fake now I'm a liar and I'm none of

those things right when I say to the

camera and I sit here and talk about

depression not being real I mean what I

say because I've lived enough [ __ ] to

tell you that if Depression was real I

would have been depressed and people

know that which is why they listen to me

in the first place I would hate to be

to look in the mirror and know I acted

like a coward on that scenario I can't

be that person so

courage is the highest virtue I think

you think so

courage love

well I like to think of myself as a man

with plenty of love in his life and a

very loving man I also like to think of

myself as an extremely Brave person I'm

I've never been a coward and even just

the idea of being a coward is enough to

motivate me to do nearly anything so if

you were to try and there we go

vulnerability if you were to try and

manipulate me how could you manipulate

Andrew take one of the smartest people

on the face of the planet well you would

have to try and convince him that it was

the only Brave act that's how I could be

manipulated interesting now I allow

manipulation to find out where my enemy

wants me to go use my mind to break the

Trap punish the perpetrators I will

allow them to manipulate me and at the

end of their attempt I will decide

whether I agree with their attempt or I

destroy their attempt right but that

would be give you the best possible

chance and I give you a perfect example

of it

covid went on day one when everyone got

locked in their houses and they were

talking about Italian hospitals being

full and people were dying on the street

in China when everyone believed because

it was brand new day one me and Tristan

decided to fly to Sweden and just run

around nightclubs because it's only open

country did we do that because we have

medical expertise did we do that because

we were guaranteed to not get sick did

we do that because we knew something

other people didn't know it was the

brave Choice the brave choice is to go

do something Reckless we might all die

let's die in a nightclub in Sweden

instead of dying in our house so we

always have chosen and defaulted to the

brave choice and Part of Me Maybe when

we talk about excitement I love when God

or life or the universe or whatever you

want to call it gives me a chance to be

brave I love when he gives me an

opportunity

here's your chance to be brave Andrew

here's your chance to show you are that

guy here's your chance to have another

story where everyone else would have

failed you would have succeeded here is

your chance to win I love that because

you know it's easy to fly around on

private jets and stay in five star

hotels with a bunch of beautiful women

and drive Bugattis around cool but

where's the point where I get to

actually prove I'm I mean every word I

say right so God gave it to me so yes

thank you I agree we agree thank you and

if God decides I have to go back then

the best mental model I can have is not

the Romanian system of justice is unfair

uh it's corrupt I got too big The Matrix

got me you know the best mental model is

God wants me to learn something here and

he's going to teach me that through

suffering he's going to make this

difficult and he's going to make me feel

pain and he's going to make this as hard

as he decides it needs to be so that I

can sit here and learn things so I'm

going to go and sit with my cockroach

friends

and I'm going to learn I learned I

already learned things I can tell you a

bunch of things I learned even even

physical things I would hunt cockroaches

in the dark

at night I would stand to kill them I'd

stand near the wall and I'd measure out

a palm strike directly exact measurement

so I didn't hurt my elbow or my hand to

the wall and I just sit and just wait

and I'd hear them crawling and then

pitch nearly pitch black I could I could

hear one in front bam I tore it I go up

to the point where I could kill the

Ninja for real I was like I'm learning

[ __ ] in here right so that was fantastic

I uh

yeah I learned not anything about

yourself

this is again a new new in new

information that's all I mean you must

have right I mean you had you had a new

experience so you must there must be new

information when you got tested

right you're in jail for [ __ ] sakes

like something must have popped into

your mind there must have been some

Revelation some Edge that you came to it

had to be no

I'm exactly who I thought I was

I am zero percent full of [ __ ] I am

exactly who I thought I was if you would

have told me if you would have told me

before I went like point one before I

went to before I went to jail

before they put me in that dungeon

in the dark with the Cockroaches

if you would have told me how I would

react to that scenario I would have said

to you I would have suffered and it

wouldn't have been nice but I would have

refused to break and I would have been

the kind of person who sat there and

endured and emerged more powerful than

ever before that's what I would have

said yeah and that's what I've done yes

yes that's exactly what I've done so but

that's not the question there may no

it's not there may be a side order of

nightmares

I I learned I've never had nightmares

before in my life that surprised me that

surprised me but they're here now that's

life

I learned that I guess I learned that

when I got out of jail I didn't have

nightmares in jail which is strange I

had nightmares when I got out maybe it's

fear of going back don't know yeah but

what else did I learned about myself I

had already pre-decided

and I'd already told the universe how I

would act in said scenario this scenario

was not a scenario I hadn't discussed or

didn't believe could happen to me I had

already analyzed if this happens what

are you going to do it was a

pre-designated plan and I just followed

the plan I had already laid out for

myself when I had already psychoanalyzed

myself without my qualifications I had

already decided what I must do so I did

it yeah yeah and and I was and I and I

was able and capable of following the

plan and following through yeah yeah so

I'm not a liar I'm zero percent full of

[ __ ] right I hear you I hear you and and

and if I was full of [ __ ] I would sit

here at Mary's though but then I there's

something and that's not full of [ __ ]

but just the the something happened oh

complete right because you're having

nightmares now so something is going on

yes that you don't like understand

that's that's all I'm getting that's

completely true I performed exactly how

I needed to perform and how I knew I

would perform so when I talk about being

top G and mental control and depression

is not real everything I say is true I

performed exactly as I could and I

should there is a side effect which

happens to be these nightmares but my

attitude towards the nightmares is yes

thank you good I don't want them to go

away they will go away when whatever

needs to be dealt with is dealt with by

my own mind and like I said if anyone

else could fix them for me I would not

allow them to because I believe it is my

lesson and it's my pain and my trauma

and it's mine to deal with and if I have

to keep them forever I'll keep them I am

not afraid of feeling negative

I'm not afraid of it I'm not afraid of

having nightmares I'm not I don't I

don't wake up going I want to feel good

I don't care so if I have to feel

miserable it doesn't bother me I don't

see why in fact I'm gonna change that

I don't see how you can put such

importance on how you feel as a man

because it makes you non-competitive

well but it makes you what it does is it

brings you into presence

and presence is the most powerful

quality that you can have as a human

being and if you are not in touch with

your feelings if you disown them or you

rationalize them in some way you're not

fully present completely agree right so

the the reason we want to connect with

the places we have fear or pain or

sadness right or anger whatever it is

it's not it's not to feel it and let

ourselves be a slave to it it's just to

let it come into our conscious awareness

to know what it is there's information

there it's data right and if we can be

present with all that we feel right

we're much more powerful beings now it's

super interesting you said that because

you're right

because I wouldn't consider myself a

present person

I am always thinking about what must be

done I'm thinking about interesting

always that you would make you would

confess that you're not a present person

no I'm not person if I'm present in the

moment I'm either on my computer or

talking to someone else millions of

miles away or dealing with something

else or I'm doing this podcasting about

how I have to spar afterwards and then

I've got a friend coming at 8 15 tonight

I have to see I'm not present because

things must be done and they must be

organized that this is I'm not

competitive if I'm present I need to do

things now I I'll agree with you you're

right I'm not I'm very rarely present

but here's my frame for presence right

the reason I'm not all the way present

which is all the way here is because

there's something here that I don't want

to feel

though I would say there's two there's

two scenarios in which I am very present

and we'll talk about them in a second

but I'm not a very present person

but I have sacrificed the idea of

feeling presence and feeling happy in

the moment for let's say

absolute capability and Legacy but would

you agree that being more present would

give you more power

in certain scenarios well look I think

that might be the reason I love fighting

so much because that's the only time I

feel present right because I have to be

right there because one I'm in pain and

two of them I'm gonna be asleep are you

not present right now

I am are you present with me I'm paying

attention

my my brain's on I'm paying attention

let your brain go and see what happens

just be here with me and don't like stop

thinking stop thinking I can't stop

thinking stop thinking you can't you

can't stop thinking if you can't stop

thinking you don't have control over

your mind all right cool so I stopped

thinking but and just be in the place

where there's no thinking sure and just

feel yourself who you are and see what

happens

yeah and I believe I am but I'm saying

generally in life I wouldn't consider

myself a present person I'm not the

person who is enjoying the moment

but I am now because I'm focused no but

but now I'm focused but do you see the

difference in the quality of the

interaction we just had

but what's it okay let me ask you do you

see the difference though yeah and how

did that feel it felt fine but what's

the difference fine what's it there but

what's the difference weren't we more

connected in some way is there more

possibility to get to something deeper

or something more truthful there when

your mind is not constantly running but

I haven't lied to you I'm not saying

you've lied to me yeah I'm not saying

you've lied to me I just said there's

other levels there's other layers right

is there is there you get to it that's

why you fight you see what you said

because it gets you out of your mind

fully in your body and and when you're

fighting you're in that zone some of

their intelligence opens up though yes

you're doing things you can feel that

guy and you can miss the punch right you

don't even know why correct right and so

that is available all the time if you're

willing to get present

does life require that degree of focus

not focus presence I know they're

they're slightly different

maybe I maybe I see them as the same I

don't see myself as a particularly

present person

I do enjoy the presence of fighting I do

enjoy the presence of driving fast cars

very fast

thinking of it just so you understand my

mental model when I think of guys and I

do know some who are like enjoying the

moment

I very rarely enjoy the moment does that

make sense I don't ever I'm sitting

around I'm like yeah I look around and

go I'm having fun that's just not how my

brain works ever that feels sad to me

yeah but this is the thing Perhaps it is

I don't know I'm not gonna say it is

because I don't feel sad about it but

let's imagine it is sad

I have no fear of feeling sad if some

were to say to me Andrew you're going to

enjoy the moment less because you're

constantly preoccupied with running an

Empire that most people wouldn't believe

is as large as you say it is even if you

told them

and you're going to have unlimited

Offspring who adore you and you're going

to have unlimited female interaction

from women who truly would die for you

and you're gonna be one of the most

respected men on the planet and you're

gonna have street cred in every city

from Baltimore to Berlin and you're

going to end up going through all these

trials and tribulations and they're

going to talk about your name after

you're dead for hundreds of years but

you're not going to be present in the

moment would you take that and I would

say yes sir I would give that to me I

can't be present because there's too

much happening

how can I be present how could I be

present with hundreds of millions of

dollars and decal trying to put me in

jail and then how can I be president

I've got things happening in my brain I

can't be present I've got things to deal

with I've got problems myself so

I've sacrificed maybe you have a mental

model that says I can't be all the way

present and do all of those things and

maybe that model is incorrect well

presence is is if you're truly present

then you're not worried about anything

outside of the moment you're in not

necessarily how does that work this I'm

interested I mean because you the the

presence right you can let your

Consciousness go out right and you're

kind of you can be aware of everything

right I'm perspicacious it's one of my

favorite words I am aware of what's

Happening yeah

I'm just not particularly interested in

it so I will sit at a table where

everyone's having a conversation and

I'll sit on my laptop and I'll chime up

once every hour I hear every word I've

analyzed every word I know who's right I

know who's wrong I know what I could

have said I know whose brain I could

have changed what mind I could have

affected I've already considered if it's

worth doing but if I'd rather do my work

and I'll ignore it all until I pop up

and say three words and control the

entire conversation and go back to my

laptop yeah I'm aware of everything I'm

just not particularly present because I

feel like I've built a life which is so

large that it's hard for me to be

present in the moment I'm present with

my children for

an hour or two and then it's like okay

right back to work so was your father

was your father present with you no

but I don't think but then this again

I'm just saying it's a psychotherapist

when somebody said that you said that

very he wasn't present with you that

must have been

that didn't bother me at all it didn't

bother you no

he had things to do he's a full-grown

man I mean you know like we could talk

about the the haircut tweet but I didn't

I didn't understand you know your

history that you you were raised by a

singer mother your father wasn't around

so you see him once a year about that

yeah one when we lived in America up to

the age of 11 I saw him more often once

or twice a month maybe and then when did

you did it split I was 10.

when they left but I always understood

he's very busy and has a lot to do so I

I never did you see how the Boy Might

interpret that as my father doesn't care

about me no

you can see how I understand you sitting

here right now but you understand like a

little boy I think a little boy might

think why isn't where's Daddy I want

Daddy I'm here alone with Mom and he

might be right because some fathers may

not care but my father did care right he

was just very busy but it must have been

confusing for you no not for the little

boy no like like bring I'm being honest

I'm being I'm being honest I'm being

honest it wasn't I never for us or or

you cut off or those feelings were so

painful overwhelming you cut off from

them so quickly and then created this

mindset to deal I never for a second

felt like he didn't care about me ever

I I never felt that it didn't cross my

mind like consciously consciously but is

it possible that unconsciously you might

have a different belief some and that

and that on some level some of what

you're doing in the world is motivated

by that like wanting to to win the love

of your father I think that is

semi-true but I'll tell you I think

that's that's fine no no no that's

semi-truth that's semi-true because I

believe I have a duty to my ancestors I

don't think it's coming from a set a

place of I'm broken trying to fix myself

I think I have the last name Tate it was

bestowed upon me and I have

responsibilities to live up to the last

name Tate yeah I do believe I have a

duty to my ancestors

so is that trying to win the love of my

father perhaps I never felt unloved by

my father ever in fact I would argue I

had the best father on Earth I never

felt like I was owed all of his time I

was it was very clear to me as at a

young age that he's extremely busy and

extremely important and that I can earn

his time or that I can't have as much of

it as I want you have to earn his time

yeah yeah a son should have to earn his

father's time yeah why not

because he's a boy true and and so my

father's love should be at least for a

boy unconditional in some way love and

time are not necessarily the same thing

if I told my father I want to play chess

I want you to teach me chess he could

find two hours if I said to Dad I want

to play video games or let's watch TV

together and say no son I have things to

do right so to a degree I during his

time yeah his time was valuable and it

could not be wasted

I feel like I have a duty to my

ancestors I don't feel like and when I'm

in jail I feel like I can't disappoint

him and I feel like I do good for the

world I don't think this is me being

some kind of broken secret this is where

we're going to disagree you're gonna

think I'm some broken child inside or

something okay okay well the inner child

or I'm guessing but

your child okay I don't think it's I

don't think it's anything to do with

that child I think it's Duty I think I

have duty and I'm honest yeah I

understand you have duty as a man but

that doesn't mean the inner child is not

there and I guess that's if the if the

inner child has been disowned in some

way or his his feelings have been uh you

know relegated to the unconscious like

that that's impacting you that's

affecting you and knowing what those

feelings are and how they impact you I

think would be important information for

you

but I was never sad

I I can't say I had a hard childhood I

can't say I was sad I can't say I wish

he was different I once again and once

again let me psychoanalyze myself once

again this might be rationale I might be

rationalizing yes I might say well

whatever happened made me the person I

am today and I love who I am today so

I'm glad it was the way it was perhaps

but once again I think that puts me in

the correct mental framework to be as

capable as possible I'm not going to sit

here and say I wish my dad did something

else that what's the point that's

astronaut those things can be true

though I wanted to see my father more I

wish he was there

and he wasn't and now I'm here and I'm

going to make the best of it and this is

this is the result of that and I've

turned myself into this uh Beast because

of it I mean you made the most of the

situation but that doesn't discount the

place where you may have wanted more

from you you may have wanted more love

more connection just more time I think I

think my father did the one the best he

knew how to do and second he did what

exactly what was necessary to make me

the person I am doing would it be okay

for you to be angry with your father no

absolutely not disrespectful why not why

because he's my father but but I'm not

saying that you would have to confront

him I mean obviously he's not here but

it's just like uh that's selfish but but

if it's just a feeling right if it's

just a feeling that wants to come

ungratefulness

um

well you're judging the feeling yeah I

am yeah for me to sit and say to the man

who made me the man I am today who I

once again never felt unloved by who

tried his very best to raise me who

sacrificed for me to exist who gave me

my last name who bestowed upon me the

honors and principles of morals I live

by today for me to be angry at him

because he was busy some days would be

brutally ungrateful no I'm not allowed

no I'm not allowed I'm not allowed that

feeling it's ungrateful I refuse to

accept it I refuse to feel it I truly

believe I had the best father on Earth I

truly believe it I don't believe even

now if if I have sons I don't talk about

what children I have publicly if I have

sons or when I have sons or my sons I

have whichever one it is

they will get my time sure they will get

my dedication absolutely but I have

expectations of them because of their

last name and they're going to have my

time while we're working towards

something fantastic I'm not going to sit

around with my kids just for hours

because they just deserve it there's no

participation trophies in the Tate

household right and time is and time is

a trophy and it must be earned like

everything else in life so I'm not going

to sit and have sons and go well he's my

son so we're just gonna all day do

[ __ ] nothing no we're gonna all day

do something important for sure or I'm

gonna go do something important and he

can sit around do nothing by himself for

sure but you can also imagine if you saw

if you if you had sons and you saw them

once a year that would have an impact on

them

like would you how would you feel about

that if you had sons and you only saw

them once a year

I think I'd miss them of course they'd

miss me I bet your dad missed you oh

completely absolutely I bet he was sad

there oh completely and I wonder if he

had self-judgment about it I wonder if

he questioned himself well I think as a

man because you would I don't think

would you do that well as a man you have

to make a choice and I think it used to

be more binary than it is today because

of the nature of money and Empire and

how things work but as a man you have to

make a choice you either go to war and

come back with stories or you sit at

home all day and be a second mother and

then you're not a man it's you have to

find the balance between the two right

my father was away a lot but he wasn't

away a lot because he was doing nothing

right so if you have a soldier as a

father okay he's not there but he's

doing something he's coming back with a

story and I think that that was typical

in a lot of households for a very long

time maybe it's changed a little bit in

modern times but typically the man went

away yeah did whatever he had to do and

then came back with a story or a hunt or

whatever for sure so that's how I saw my

father living his life and that's how I

want to live my life I will do the same

thing I don't think I would be the same

man if I decided to say okay I have a

son now so I'm just gonna stay at home

and I think that I need to be

a kind of man my son wants to emulate

which means I have to be a hero and I

don't think you can be a hero sitting at

home so I think that I need to

yeah in his time of course he does but

he also needs an example set and the

example must be set out there in the

harsh brutal realities of the real world

so yeah it's time you could that now the

argument is quantity of Time Versus

quality of time and I would argue that

the quality of time I will give my sons

is going to be much higher

want to give your sons more quality time

than you had with your I'll give them

the exact same amounts he gave me

will you but if I'm happy would you not

want to give them more I may want to

wanted more I didn't say I wanted more

that's that's smart I didn't say I

wanted more you didn't no you must have

no I'm saying that who wants time with

his daddy how can I mean it has to be if

I wanted it I could have earned it

anytime I wanted

wow are you sure about that I'm pretty

sure yeah I mean when we go I mean I

don't know if we need to read the Tweet

but it's like

um

uh your mom was pretty upset with him so

there was a he was like I'm not coming

back here I mean what is it just about

you is about your mother oh completely

and I think my father sacrificed his

marriage for us boys he sacrificed his

marriage and his relationship with my

mother to ensure that us boys were

taught the way he believed we should be

raised my mom was very unhappy with

certain things he did which he insisted

on doing anyway because he saw his

legacy in US is more important than his

marriage with my mother

but I'm I'm not saying look if my son

calls me and says I'm really upset I

need to talk to you I'm not gonna say no

you can't talk to me I'm not I'm not

psycho right I understand all of these

things I'm just saying and obviously

we're talking about a very general

scenario the general scenario is I'm a

man I'm away at War I come home with a

story or if I'm spending time with my

son and wants to be building him as an

individual I believe that the mother

does a lot of the day-to-day keeping the

Child Alive changing diapers feeding

them Etc and the man is the one who

instills a lot of the mindset and the

man is the one who grows them in very

important ways and I think to do that I

need to be a man of genuine capability

and I would argue that the two hours a

month or two hours a week or whatever I

spent with my father him being the man

he was was worth more than the 200 hours

a month that most men spend with their

fathers that's why I am the man I am so

there'll be some fathers who sit and say

I could never do that to my son well

what can you do you can go do [ __ ]

basically nothing with your life pay

your taxes come home be bitched at by

your wife be quiet about it and be with

your son all the time sure you win in

quantity of time but who you are as a

man and what the lessons you can really

teach you lose in quality of time so I

believe my father was such a fantastic

figure that it's the quality of his time

that made up for the quantity and the

only way to do that is to go out in the

world and be fantastic and we can

actually extrapolate this out to other

things

let's look at relationships for example

I see men who spend every day with their

woman that's fantastic that's fine

that's how he elicits her love

I'm completely

that's how he I am that's how my brain

works yeah yeah I see men who spend

every day with a woman which is

fantastic he wants to she wants to

that's great they're happy she feels

loved and she feels respected and she's

glad she has all of his time when you

reach a certain quality of man a certain

level of man in terms of competence a

certain Echelon I don't have to spend

all day with a woman I can see a woman

one hour a month and she'll be loyal to

me because I'm me right because the

quality of who I am and the quality of

my time outweighs the quantity which can

be offered by a lesser being yeah so you

can put this in nearly any Dynamic you

put it in a romantic relationship and

also in a in a family Dynamic once you

reach a certain level of competence once

you're at the highest echelons of human

achievement your time is by extension

more valuable and extrapolates out an

hour with

the president is worth more than 100

hours with a guy McDonald's it's the

same so I think my father raised me by

not being there he raised me by being

out there and doing so many Fantastic

things and being such a fantastic

individual that I understood I had a

duty to him and a duty to my last name

and I can't be his son and not be

fantastic so I think he raised me in

absence that's what I think he did

you're proud of yourself that you got

there

you won that one but I think all right

that's good no that that's that's

actually a fair argument that would be

the argument about God's will that was

God's will correct yeah and so I have to

surrender to it and this is what it is

and and my task is to is to deal with it

and maybe and maybe there are feelings

you have about it that you don't fully

understand but that's okay you know

you're here now and you're doing your

thing and you're living your life and

it's all good yeah so let me ask you and

maybe maybe

this will be the last question I can go

forever you tell me and and I am and the

reason I wanted to talk to you is

because I genuinely did want to learn

about myself yeah I know and I and I do

like discussing these things and like I

said I'm being as vulnerable as I can be

I'm not I if you feel like I'm shielding

I'm truly not trying to well you would

you when we Shield it's so habitual it's

so quick right our defense our defense

is I mean we become identified with our

defenses so we don't even know when

we're doing them that's true but but I

also feel like the framework that I've

instilled the rational mind everything

is going through this filter

this is how my brain operates my filter

is brutal rationality that's the filter

so no matter what we're discussing or

any conversation we're having it has to

go through this filter and I end up

rationalizing because that's the way

I've always functioned of course and so

I can't turn off that I can't start

saying things that don't make sense to

me yes and what I'm also aware of is

that I am bringing my own filter and

you're open to it you're not you're not

closed off to it you're listening you're

curious about it so I sense that too and

I appreciate that you know

um you identify you talk about yourself

as a man of capability correct man of

Courage right man of action yes

are you a man of love

I think a lot of those things come from

love hmm

let's let's Analyze This

I think a lot of those things come from

Love

I think it's very difficult to do nearly

anything important if it's not

perhaps to a degree driven by love or

the desire for love even I think the

reason a lot of men want to become rich

is because they want to feel loved or

feel important or to matter I also feel

like the reason

that a lot of men do the things they do

is is for love either of themselves or

of someone else I think the reason men

go to work is because they love their

family the reason you go to the gym is

because you love yourself I think that

love is a very powerful driving force

I certainly feel love my world is full

of love like I would argue I'm one of

the most loved people like if I check my

phone it's just love yeah it's endless

emails to people I don't know who love

me endless females who do know me love

me endless pictures of children saying

they miss me like my I'm a very loved

person in a very loved world

I love

a lot of people you love I absolutely

love but

because I believe in myself so strongly

I feel like the way I love them is to

have a degree of authority over them

not in a crazy Psychopathic way but in a

I love you so you should do this right I

love you so act this way I love you so

don't do that almost in the same way a

parent loves a child you love your child

so you don't let them eat candy all day

because you love them yeah I'm like that

with everyone in my life because I see

myself as the most competent person on

the planet so I'm like I love you I care

about you

you shouldn't do this this way right

because you may think you know better

but you don't you don't know better than

me I know best and this is how it should

be for anyone I care about

um I guess the reason I asked the

question is can you defeat the matrix by

fighting it

or can you only defeat the Matrix

through love absolutely very it's a

that's a very astute question and you're

asking because you already know the

answer and you already know the answer

of course Only Love Can Do yeah Only

Love Can win yeah yeah and it's the most

powerful driving force on the face of

the planet it always has been and it's

only when people are going to wake up

and have a true love for themselves and

love for their community and love for

their children and love for these things

that we're going to start to resist to

evil and the Satanism and the insanity

which is coming in the world today but I

believe as a man at least your love only

has value when you're capable

which is why my mayor perhaps I'm so

obsessed with capability because I want

my love to have value we talked about

how time has value when you're at a

certain Echelon I would also argue that

love has value in a certain Echelon if

I'm in love with a girl she can get a

lot more from that love than if a Joe

schmo's in love with her right so my

love has value because I have value so I

have to build myself and especially as a

man if you want to feel loved then you

want to give love the more capable you

become the more valuable your love is

going to be and that's that's certainly

how we're going to fix the world so yeah

the answer is love of course but it

can't just be blind empty love it has to

be love that is backed by a brutal harsh

capability right which is born in the

the worst scenarios you're going to

endure as a man and the world at its

Baseline is a very brutal place it can

be and I think that

becoming comfortable with those

scenarios and becoming capable in those

scenarios is how you give your love

deep True Value but I think that yeah

love is the answer right love is the

answer but I don't want to end I don't

want well I'm sorry for you to say no

like the fun no yeah love it love it but

but we have to make this clear because

most people misunderstand what love is I

understand no because you say love is

not coming from you I don't think

they're going to misunderstand it coming

from you and I guess this is it like

maybe this is it maybe this is what

people want more from you yeah right

they want your love they want to feel

your love I see it yeah right like I can

feel it coming off you but I'm not like

I see your sense of humor I see how you

work so I'm not I don't feel threatened

by you right I feel like I understand

you in some way but a lot of people can

I think that's that that to me is the

problem in the world right now is that

people cannot feel the Father's Love I

agree with you and if they could feel

that and also the firmness also the

Direction all the things you're talking

about the discipline but if they can't

feel the Father's Love I mean that's

God's love coming through and the father

is the embodiment of God on Earth if

they can't feel that love then we're

going to have a lot of [ __ ] problems

but that's super interesting because

they've hijacked the word love now and

they've confused the word love with

tolerance and a complete lack of

boundaries and they're saying if you

love if you're a loving person you

accept all this garbage no I I disagree

with that you just said a very important

thing you said Father's Love

a Father's love comes with tests and

trials and tribulations what does a dad

even traditionally do for his son take

him out there push him in the pool let

him struggle a bit get him out put him

on the bike let him fall over help him

get up yeah you have to go through the

bad things to be rewarded and the bad

things to learn that's how a father

typically loves and a father also loves

by saying no no you cannot do that so

you nailed it by how Society needs a

Father's Love completely true and

Society has actually hijacked the word

love and tried to convince you that you

don't need the Father's Love perhaps you

need this unconditional love which is

more like a mother's love if you want to

gender it perhaps so it's unconditional

you can act without honor you can act

without courage you can act without

discipline and you'll be loved anyway

just because you exist I don't believe

that for myself I believe if I start if

I remove all my morality I will not just

be loved by default not by my family not

by God not by Society I don't believe

that and the people who do believe that

who think I should be loved just for how

I just for existing regardless of how I

act and what I think those are some of

the most evil people on the planet I

truly believe I they're also some of the

most unsuccessful and unspectacular and

they're the people who are out here

genuinely trying to change society in a

direction which has never been tested

which I believe is going to lead the the

depths of Hell truly I think it's evil

so yeah I agree with you Father's Love

is important but love in and of itself

has boundaries love is strict love is

hard Love Is Love is a hard emotion love

is fierce love is not an emotion of oh

do whatever you want it's the opposite

love is no you have to do this I believe

love is a very hard very strong emotion

and if I think of how let's say I have

two women one I love one I don't love

and I enjoy both of their company I'm

harder on the one I love

I expect more from her in terms of how

she acts I expect more from her in terms

of how she speaks to me I expect more

from her and how she presents herself to

the world the more I love her the more I

expect of her the more parameters I want

to put on her in regards to how she

should behave because I love her love it

love is a hard emotion so yeah love wins

but not in the way that people think

love they've hijacked the word love and

convince people that love means oh I

tolerate everything that's that's not

love I I agree and it goes back to this

uh what we're talking about with

presents I wonder and I'm just having

this thought now that if we come all the

way into presence if we allow ourselves

to be all the way here and feel

everything that's here that is actually

the thing that we would feel love like

like like God which is you could say God

is love and maybe maybe

that that's the scariest thing that's

the edge because if we're fully

surrendered to that like we're in that

flow state that that with the

disillusion of the ego letting go of all

the things that we have and we have to

be in that places so maybe that's that

to me is like

you know if you want to defeat the

Matrix right like if you want to become

Neo yeah I think that's what it is

interesting and what I will do and I

will take away from this conversation is

I am I will I will def I definitely have

moments of presence I mean I'm human I

do have like a couple minutes where I

sit and just look around and go you know

life's not all that bad of course

but I will perhaps try and dedicate a

little bit more time maybe I can turn

two I'll see if I can allocate three

minutes instead of two towards presence

and see how that makes me feel overall

it's interesting that you said when

you're present you feel love I actually

completely agree with that I can't think

of a time I've been present and felt

anything other than gratefulness just to

look around and go you know what

yeah everything's fine yeah in fact

in fact even in jail that happened

even in jail I had moments of presence

and I looked around and goes this is not

nearly as bad as like the media is

saying it is and the woman on the phone

are crying and everyone's panicking you

know what

I'm not in a trench I'm probably not

going to get blown up

if a fire started could I get through

that steel door

if anyone could it's me

I'm not on a submarine in World War II

there's no depth charges yeah I'm on a

car crash yeah

it's fine

a cup of tea

I did have those moments right so when

you come to a moment yeah when you come

to a moment of presence even in a

terrible scenario it often ends up love

you're right and I certainly have felt

them and I certainly could do it my

rationality my argument would be does

that make me more powerful you're

arguing it does and maybe perhaps I need

to try it whereas I would

typically up until this conversation I

would say I don't have time for that I

have things to do right

so that's where it all comes down to and

then it comes down to like I said

earlier am I here as a human to enjoy my

experience as a human and enjoy being in

this vessel and have as much fun as

possible and be as present as possible

or am I here to make the biggest impact

I can possibly make

and and build a legacy and of course

probably like most things in life the

answer somewhere in between the two is

probably some balance perhaps I'm

slightly out of balance and that's why I

am living the life I am but

I'm not unhappy with it and if I was

unhappy with it it wouldn't change

anything

but I I actually do consider myself

I do genuinely consider myself one of

one of because I put no importance On

Emotion

and when I say that I try and make

people understand that when I say no

importance it doesn't affect how I act

so I don't see the point in talking

about it or I don't see the point in

even acknowledging it because it doesn't

affect what I'm going to do for the day

so who cares right it doesn't matter if

it's sunny or raining if you're gonna go

to work you're gonna go to work so why

talk about the weather so I don't put

any importance On Emotion but I would

actually call myself one of the happiest

people on Earth not because I'm

particularly happy but because I'm just

never sad

so if you're if it's never dark it must

be light if it's never cold it must be

hot so I'm I don't when I say I will say

I'm one of the happiest people on Earth

and people think oh he's happy all the

time no I'm just never sad right never

so if you're never sad you're always

happy another thing I'll actually argue

okay now this early look at all this

easy oh they got away with a win there I

would actually argue

that

why are you arguing what are you arguing

because you maybe you maybe you won't

disagree with me okay I'll I would also

like to I will just explain uh when we

were talking about how I built my mental

model and how I rationalize everything

one of the things I've done when I

rationalize is I've changed the boundary

of what I believe happy to be so let's

say happiness is this line on this table

right most people this is the full

spectrum of human emotion this is

absolute distraught because your parents

just died and this is extremely happy

and getish and you're laughing and

jumping around like a child for whatever

reason most people would probably put

Happy somewhere up here near the top

yeah whereas I've just changed that bar

and I've just said unless I'm truly

distraught unless I'm actually at the

point where I can barely speak let's

move happiness down to here unless I'm

truly distraught and something really

bad has happened to me I've already

passed the threshold I'm just a

different level of happy now I'm I the

more I talk to you the more I realize

that a lot of what I've done are just

simply semantic Journeys they're

language tricks I've changed language

tricks if I'm not absolutely distraught

I am some version of Happy therefore I

am the happiest man on Earth because I'm

always some level of happy it's semantic

tricks but if it works I mean it could

be a cheap language trick but if the

cheap language trick works then it's

more than a cheap language tree so I

I've also changed what I believe happy

to be I think that there's probably five

or six times in your adult life you're

going to be unhappy and the rest of the

time you're just a different level of

happy maybe less happy more happy but

you're all at some point of happy if you

can speak You're Happy enough because

when you're truly upset you can't even

talk that's what I believe

is that enough

is that all I have to say

it's interesting yeah because

you're so here I'm gonna you want you

want me to tell you what I noticed sure

it is hard for you to stay present yeah

yeah right like you come present

and then you you go to a thought you go

to an idea and you talk you talk you

talk you talk and it's very convincing

and it's very persuasive and you're

asserting your world view your your

frame of reality which you know but like

sometimes like I lose you there like I'm

like where are you like I'm you're

there's words but I can't feel you

entirely I understand you know what I

mean and I want to like feel you more

I understand you know what I mean I I

understand but

but I don't think but just stay just

stay with that just stay in that like

don't

don't let your mind go just stay in the

feeling yeah don't go off with a thought

so what am I feeling right now let me

just stay with me okay just stay with me

and be present in the experience with no

words and see what happens sure like

something will change in how we relate

to each other something will soften like

if you let yourself soften and just be

with me yeah right which is kind of a

weird experience for two men to have yep

right but it's actually what children

long for with their father so it's

actually what we long for is deeper

levels of connection yes we just let

yourself be here with me and just see

what happens

but then what are we going to talk about

we don't have to talk about anything

is it isn't it doesn't it feel good to

feel another man like just to feel the

strength like without the words without

without that layer of

thought and dialogue and discussion

come back come back I'm thinking come

back don't think don't think but I have

to you don't have to you don't have to

just be here

this is the place you get to when you're

fighting

it feels good it's true but doesn't it

feel good yes but there's an action

involved like I can feel I can feel

everything about the person I'm fighting

whether it's good or bad I can feel if

I've hurt them or not

I don't get to punch you my friend

you know yeah

it's been good fun and uh I feel like

I've learned some things

and I feel like we need to do it again

absolutely yeah that was fun I

appreciate you man thank you bro yeah

thank you