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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,440 First... 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,160 ...cast the beam out of thine own eye... 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,880 ...and then the mote from mine. 4 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,640 - Jesus takes off his shirt... - And lets others speak. 5 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,760 ...he kneels before the first one... 6 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,720 ...washing his dusty feet with his shirt. 7 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:09,720 I am not the Jesus of the official Church... 8 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,640 ...who the police, bankers... 9 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,040 ...judges, hangmen, officers, church bosses, politicians... 10 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,600 ...and other powerful people tolerate. 11 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,880 I am not your Superstar. 12 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Shut the fuck up! 13 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:40,240 Come up here, bigmouth. 14 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,000 I'm not a great speaker... 15 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:51,040 ...but maybe some of you seek Christ. But I don't think this is Him. 16 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,920 Because Christ was tolerant... 17 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:02,480 ...and if someone contradicted Him, He would not tell them to shut up. 18 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,560 No, He didn't say shut up. 19 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,600 He took a whip... 20 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,640 ...and smacked their ugly faces! 21 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,960 That's what He did... 22 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,760 ...you stupid pig! 23 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:20,360 And if only one of you wants... 24 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,360 ...to hear me... 25 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,680 ...he has to wait... 26 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,360 ...until this fucking scum has left. 27 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,200 If I may quote. 28 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,480 "Thou shalt recognise them by their works. " That's what counts. 29 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,840 Munich, 3 Elisabeth Street 30 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,560 How do you do, Mr. Herzog? 31 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:36,320 Herr von der Recke, I hope you are prepared for this invasion. 32 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Yes, we are. 33 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,280 You do know, that this apartment has a very special meaning for me. 34 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,760 As a thirteen-year-old schoolboy, I used to live here... 35 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,400 ...with my mother and my two brothers. 36 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,800 This was a small, rather shabby boarding house... 37 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,520 - ... now restored of course. - That was in the Fifties? 38 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,440 I was just thirteen. 39 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,960 The odd thing was that I lived here with Klaus Kinski for 3 months. 40 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,560 Oh, really? 41 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,040 It was a chain of coincidences. 42 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,560 The owner of the boarding house, Klara Rieth, an elderly lady of 65... 43 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,400 ...with wildly dyed orange hair, had a soft spot for starving artists... 44 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:21,760 ...as she herself had come from a family of artists. 45 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Kinski had been living nearby in an attic, without furniture... 46 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,080 ...just bare beams, and everything covered knee-high with dead leaves. 47 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,800 He posed as a starving artist and walked around stark-naked. 48 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:35,960 Stark-naked? 49 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,360 Yes, when the postman rang... 50 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:43,120 ...Kinski rustled through his leaves, stark-naked, and signed. 51 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:44,720 Where was that? 52 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,200 Somewhere nearby. 53 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:49,920 But he wore clothes when he lived here, I hope? 54 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,520 Yes, but from the very first moment, he terrorised everyone. 55 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,880 There were 8 parties living here. He locked himself into the bathroom... 56 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,240 The bath over there... 57 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,320 - Wasn't there a door there? - Yes, it led to the bathroom. 58 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,640 - May we? - Yes, go ahead. 59 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,160 This room, to the left, was bigger. 60 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Yes, we enlarged the bathroom. 61 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,280 That's where we used to live, my mother and the three boys. 62 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,320 The four of us in just one single room. 63 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,760 There were bunks. We were rather poor, and my mother tried somehow... 64 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,880 ...to take part in the economic miracle but got left behind. 65 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,320 This bath was smaller because our room reached up to here. 66 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:44,840 Kinski had locked himself in this bathroom for 2 days and 2 nights. 67 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,480 For forty-eight hours. 68 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,800 In his maniacal fury, he smashed everything to smithereens. 69 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,560 The bathtub, the toilet bowl - everything. 70 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:01,280 You could sift it through a tennis racket. It was really incredible. 71 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:07,400 I never thought it possible that someone could rave for 48 hours. 72 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,280 They called the police in the end, but they left him in peace. 73 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:19,760 He was put up there, in a tiny staff room. 74 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,840 - May I? - Please, go ahead. 75 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,480 It was completely different, then, there was a long corridor... 76 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,200 ...and here there were one, two, three small rooms. 77 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,920 Yes. 78 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:36,440 And here must have been a wall and an entrance. 79 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,120 The corridor went along here. 80 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,680 And this here was Kinski's room. 81 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,520 There was only room for a bed and a small night table. 82 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,960 And that was his window looking onto the backyard. 83 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,280 One day, Kinski took a huge running start down the corridor... 84 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,360 ...while we were eating. I heard a strange noise and then... 85 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,960 ...in an explosion the door came off its hinges crashing into the room. 86 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:11,480 He must have jumped against it at full speed, and now he stood there... 87 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,920 ...flailing wildly, completely hysterical, snow-white in the face. 88 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,880 He was foaming at the mouth, and he moved like this... 89 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,400 Something came floating down like leaves -they were his shirts... 90 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,200 ...his screams were incredibly shrill. 91 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,280 He could actually break wine glasses with his voice. 92 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:35,600 And three octaves too high he screamed, 'Klara! You pig!' 93 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,800 The thing was, she hadn't ironed his shirt collars neatly enough. 94 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:45,320 Klara had him living here for free, fed him and did his laundry. 95 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,840 One day a theatre critic had been invited for dinner. 96 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:56,000 He hinted that having watched a play in which Kinski had a small roll... 97 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,480 ...he would mention him as outstanding and extraordinary. 98 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,160 At once, Kinski threw 2 hot potatoes and the cutlery into his face. 99 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,480 He jumped up and screamed: 100 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,000 "I was not excellent! 101 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,160 I was not extraordinary! 102 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,920 I was monumental! 103 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,920 I was epochal!" 104 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,400 All this made a very deep impression on me then... 105 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,560 ...and that I would work with him later and make five feature films... 106 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,680 You would never have thought that. 107 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,840 No, that was never on my horizon at the time. 108 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:37,520 It was beyond my furthest thoughts. 109 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Did he ever have any training as an actor while he was here? 110 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,640 He was self-taught. 111 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,520 At times you could hear him in his closet, for ten hours non-stop... 112 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,240 ...doing his voice and speaking-exercises. 113 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,240 It was absolutely incredible. 114 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,200 He pretended to be a genius who had fallen straight from heaven... 115 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,760 ...and who had obtained his gift by the grace of God. 116 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,200 In reality, it was incredible, how much he trained himself. 117 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,600 At that time, during his poetry recitals, he still had this artificial... 118 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,560 ...theatre intonation of the Fifties, a kind of a snorting snarl. 119 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,120 He mastered it to perfection. 120 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,280 And this is where I lived with him... 121 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:32,720 ...and so knew what to expect, if I was to work with him. 122 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,720 ...salt-peter, blazing phosphorous... 123 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,600 ...in the urine of a donkey in heat... 124 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:46,440 ...in snakes' poison, old hags' spittle... 125 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:51,400 ...in dog shit and foul bath-water... 126 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:57,160 ...in wolf's milk, gall of oxen and flooded latrines, 127 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,720 In this juice... 128 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,000 ...thou shalt stew the slanderers, 129 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,920 In a tomcat's brain who ceased to fish... 130 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,320 ...in the foam that dribbles from the teeth of rabid dogs... 131 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,600 ...mixed with monkey's piss, in bristles from a hedgehog torn... 132 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,360 ...in a rain barrel, where vermin crawl... 133 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,880 ...perished rats and the festering slime of... 134 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,080 ...toad-stools, glowing at night... 135 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,440 ...in horses' snot and in hot glue, 136 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:34,840 In this juice... 137 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:41,320 ...shall the slanderers stew, 138 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,400 Peru, the train tracks along the Urubamba river... 139 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,720 ...Kinski's and my river of destiny so to speak. 140 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,720 I wanted to retrace some of our steps. 141 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,320 The first film we did together was "Aguirre, the Wrath of God"... 142 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,200 ...which started here. 143 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,200 It was my sixth film and I was 28 at the time. 144 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,120 I had sent Kinski my screenplay. 145 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,920 Two nights later, at 3am, I was awakened by the phone. 146 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,440 At first I couldn't figure out what was going on. 147 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,280 All I heard were inarticulate screams at the other end of the line. 148 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,240 It was Kinski. 149 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,200 After about half an hour, I could filter out from his screams... 150 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:30,280 ...that he was ecstatic about the screenplay and wanted to be Aguirre. 151 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:39,520 The shooting of "Aguirre" was faced with two pressing problems. 152 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,480 One was the budget. 153 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:42,520 Aguirre, THE WRATH OF GOD 154 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Today, it is inconceivable that we made the film with only $370,000. 155 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,960 No one was interested in financing it, and what's more... 156 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,840 ...Later, no one even wanted to see the film for years. 157 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,880 Kinski was the next problem. 158 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:11,080 At the time, he had just cut short a Jesus tour. 159 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,280 He had appeared in huge arenas, in the Deutschland Halle in Berlin... 160 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,960 ...and the audience merely wanted to watch him rave. 161 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:27,560 He was laughed at, had terrible fits and raved and screamed... 162 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,840 ...and arrived here at our location as a derided, misunderstood Jesus. 163 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,920 He had wholly identified with his role and continued to live on in it. 164 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,520 Often, it was difficult to talk to him, because he answered like Jesus. 165 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,080 In his earlier phase you could watch him in similar self-stylisations. 166 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,600 As Fran�ois Villon, the poor, vagrant poet. 167 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,480 Then as Dostoyevsky's idiot, and later in his life, as Paganini. 168 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:05,960 What is more, he had been fascinated by the screenplay... 169 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:11,880 ...which had a different beginning from the finished film. 170 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,760 In the script, there was a scene on a glacier at an altitude of 17,000 ft. 171 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,760 A huge procession of altitude sick pigs advances towards you. 172 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Only later would you realize that this was part of a Spanish army... 173 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:38,120 ...of adventurers, accompanied by 800 or a 1000 Indian auxiliaries. 174 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,000 All this was cut from the script. 175 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:47,600 Nevertheless, Kinski arrived with half a ton of alpine equipment. 176 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:56,880 He brought tents, sleeping bags, crampons and ice axes. 177 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,280 He badly wanted to expose himself to wild nature... 178 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,640 ...but had some rather insipid ideas about it. 179 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,000 Mosquitos were not allowed in his jungle, neither was rain. 180 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:15,280 After establishing him in his tent, it started to rain and he got wet. 181 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,560 So, he immediately had one of his raving fits during the first night. 182 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:27,520 The next day we built a roof of palm leaves above his tent. 183 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:33,840 Still discomforted, he moved into the hotel of Machu Picchu. 184 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,800 At the time, there was only one hotel with eight rooms. 185 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,400 There was nothing here either... 186 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,720 ...except for a single hut where I used to sleep. 187 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,840 A native Indian woman lived there. 188 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,080 A hunch-backed dwarf with nine children. 189 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,640 She also had 100-150 guinea-pigs, which were there to eat. 190 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,480 At night they crawled all over me, and that was uncomfortable. 191 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:06,880 So, I moved in with the Indians. 450 Indians from the highlands... 192 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,760 ...from an altitude of 15,000 ft., who stayed in this big barn. 193 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:19,640 In a radius of about 100 miles, no possibility to find shelter existed. 194 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,920 I slept in there with them. 195 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,760 The last two days before shooting started were rather chaotic. 196 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,320 I tried to establish some order and worked 2 days and nights straight. 197 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,920 Before going to sleep at dawn, for one hour, I told them: 198 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,720 Please, wake me up when you take off in the train, but they forgot. 199 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:45,560 I had been forgotten and in a white hot panic I realized... 200 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,320 ...the train was taking off. I was fully dressed, apart from my shoes. 201 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,920 I ran after the departing train, 200 yards barefoot, across broken stone. 202 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,920 With bleeding feet I barely reached a step and got on. 203 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,320 That was perhaps the most important shooting day in my life. 204 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,880 When I finally arrived up here, there was a dense fog. 205 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,200 Everything was clouded over and it was pouring rain. 206 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,880 You could only see as far as 100 ft. 207 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,440 The mountain back there was completely enshrouded in cloud. 208 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,560 You couldn't see anything, except gray clouds. 209 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,000 There was indescribable chaos. 210 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:37,920 On top of that, there was a big problem with Kinski. 211 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,080 First, he realized he would only be a dot in the landscape... 212 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,760 ...and not the centre of attention. 213 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:52,720 He wanted to act in close-up with a grim face, leading the entire army. 214 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,920 I explained to him, that he wasn't yet the leader of this expedition... 215 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,160 ...for that was Gonzalo Pizarro. 216 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,320 It was very difficult... 217 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,800 ...because Kinski simply wasn't the centre of attention in this scene. 218 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:17,080 Secondly, our concept of landscape differed profoundly. 219 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,280 He wanted the shot to embrace all of scenic Machu Picchu... 220 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:27,600 ...including the peak, just like a Hollywood-style movie... 221 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:34,360 ...with the landscape as a beautiful backdrop, exploited for the scene. 222 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,560 Commercials work that way. Postcards look like that... 223 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,640 ...but I wanted an ecstatic detail of that landscape... 224 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,760 ...where all the drama, passion and human pathos became visible. 225 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,840 He just didn't understand this, but for me it was something crucial. 226 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,040 A landscape with almost human qualities. 227 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:05,840 Kinski replied, the only fascinating landscape on this earth... 228 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,920 ...was the human face. 229 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,560 After that I removed him from this shot. 230 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,480 I also had the feeling that this scene without any faces... 231 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,000 ...would stick in the spectators' minds for a long time. 232 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,320 Kinski raved about my being a megalomaniac. 233 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,920 I answered him back: "That makes two of us!" 234 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,480 Finally, at 11 am, everything opened up, and here... 235 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,600 ...on the right-hand side, very strangely, the clouds stayed put... 236 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,640 ...and to the left they parted and then the file of people came down. 237 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,320 While we were shooting, I had a very profound feeling... 238 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,280 ...as if the grace of God was with this film and with me. 239 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,960 As if I were witnessing something extraordinary... 240 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,240 ...which I would never see again. 241 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,840 I can say, that on this day I definitely came to know my own destiny. 242 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,680 2000 ft. below Machu Picchu, the Urubamba flows around... 243 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,280 ...the Inka Site and the rocky peak nearby. 244 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,080 During the dry season the boulders are in the open... 245 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,560 ...but the water can rise rapidly here by 40 feet. 246 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,800 This is what the same place looks like at high water. 247 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:19,640 It seemed to me like a metaphor for our turbulent relationship. 248 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,040 If you want someone to be agitated, let him be agitated! 249 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,600 - Fucking shoot! Let's shoot this shit! - The camera won't roll now. 250 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,920 It's an insult! You have to beg me, 251 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:41,840 ...even David Lean did that and Brecht too. 252 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,160 - You will do it as well, my dear! - I will not. -We shall see! 253 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,840 - I will not do it. - We shall see! 254 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,760 I couldn't care less what Brecht and David Lean did. 255 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,680 What was the reason for inflicting this on myself? 256 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,400 At age 15, I had seen Kinski in the anti-war film: 257 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,240 "Children, Mothers and a General. " 258 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,320 He plays a lieutenant who leads schoolboys to the front. 259 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,640 Maximilian Schell also plays a small part. 260 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,480 He falls in love and wants to desert. 261 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,840 Kinski will have him shot for that the next morning. 262 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,200 Don't be afraid, I haven't seen a girl in 3 years, 263 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,440 Hey, you! Go away! 264 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,920 That bastard, 265 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Are you coming? I shall wait outside, o,k,? 266 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,240 Do me this favour, please, 267 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:51,440 The mothers of the boys and the soldiers go to sleep for a few hours. 268 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,720 Kinski is awakened at daybreak, and the way he wakes up... 269 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,240 ...will forever stay in my memory. 270 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Yes, we have to leave, 271 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,200 This one moment, repeated here, impressed me so profoundly... 272 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,840 ...that later, it was a decisive factor in my professional life. 273 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,920 Yes, we have to leave, 274 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,240 Strange, how memory can magnify something like that. 275 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,000 The following scene, where he orders Maximilian Schell to be shot... 276 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,960 ...seems much more impressive to me today. 277 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:42,360 Now! 278 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,880 - Will he be shot? - It's outrageous, you can't do this! 279 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,160 You have to listen to him, at least, We beg you, 280 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,560 But this is murder! It can't be decided just like that! 281 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,160 Lately it can, 282 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,880 Lima, the airport. 283 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,280 On the traces of the past, I met Justo Gozalez... 284 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,120 ...who works here as a tourist guide and has been waiting for me. 285 00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:30,600 He was one of the Spanish soldiers from Aguirre's expedition. 286 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,800 We hadn't seen each other for more than 25 years. 287 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,760 22nd of February, We are suffering terrible hardship, 288 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,480 The men have a fever and are hallucinating, 289 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,440 Hardly anybody can still keep on his legs, 290 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,240 The soldier Justo Gonzalez drank my ink, thinking it was medicine, 291 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,360 I can't write anymore, We are drifting in circles, 292 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,160 Here, at the left of the picture, Justo Gonzalez then... 293 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:26,400 ...in the role of a Spanish adventurer, exhausted by fever. 294 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,640 In all scenes of the movie, Kinski had an intense aggressiveness... 295 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,080 ...being at the same time cold-blooded and calculating. 296 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,080 In one of the scenes we attacked an Indian village which we burnt down. 297 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,440 Kinski assaulted the extras who were distracted by the food they found. 298 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:15,400 He flailed wildly at us and hit my head with his sword. 299 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,360 Luckily my iron helmet protected me. 300 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:34,800 He hit so hard that I suffered a considerable wound on my head. 301 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,400 I didn't lose consciousness, but suffered massive bleeding. 302 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,200 And without your helmet, what would have happened? 303 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,640 Without the helmet, he could have killed me. 304 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,040 He would have split my skull. 305 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,920 He was precise in aiming at my helmet... 306 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:01,440 ...but always impulsive, aggressive, out of control. Hitting everyone. 307 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,640 And afterwards? 308 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,080 Afterwards, this scar remained. It's still visible today. 309 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,960 That same night, after shooting, we extras were relaxing. 310 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,640 We drank a little and played cards. 311 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,400 Klaus Kinski became irate and aggressive over this. 312 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760 Apparently he wanted to show that he was a tough guy... 313 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,960 ...and with his Winchester he shot three bullets into our hut. 314 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,800 We were 45 men cramped together in there and he wounded one of us. 315 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:51,640 He shot off his fingertip. There was so much blood, I was afraid... 316 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,640 ...that the man was hit in the body, but it was only the middle finger. 317 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,400 The extra's name was Araos. 318 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,080 The trajectory of the bullets... 319 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,160 did they penetrate the roof diagonally from above and then into the floor? 320 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,000 No, he shot straight through the wall. 321 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,680 He hated everybody... 322 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:23,560 ...was impulsive, unpredictable, half-mad. He was not quite normal. 323 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Aggressive. A diabolical character. 324 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,920 He always went around armed. 325 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,320 One day you threatened him with death. 326 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,200 You couldn't take it any longer... 327 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,920 ...when he wanted to walk out before the end of shooting. 328 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,520 A lot of scenes were still missing. 329 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,880 And how many sacrifices had we made? 330 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,560 A few days journey from Machu Picchu, down the Urubamba river. 331 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Here, at the rapids of the Pongo, we shot parts of "Fitzcarraldo". 332 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:16,720 During the dry season, with the water at its lowest level... 333 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,000 ...this is quite harmless. 334 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:42,400 Kinski was a peculiar mixture of physical cowardice and courage. 335 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,240 A wasp nearby could cause him to scream for his mosquito net... 336 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,880 ...and for a doctor with a syringe. 337 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,240 I shall never forget one moment, that was right here in the Pongo. 338 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,200 We had managed to drag our huge ship up to here, inch by inch... 339 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,000 ...against the current. The water rises 30 feet higher here... 340 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,240 ...and then all hell breaks loose. 341 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Both to the right and left, we had fastened 60 steel cables to the rock... 342 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,000 ...so that the boat was able to pull itself up with the winches. 343 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,520 All that took about eleven days... 344 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,000 ...just to pull the boat half a mile into these rapids. 345 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,040 Then something unexpected happened. 346 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,040 The water rose another 6 feet and the 14 steel cables... 347 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,280 ...each with a diameter of 3 inches were torn up with a single jerk. 348 00:29:54,280 --> 00:30:00,880 The boat capsized, laying almost horizontally in the water. 349 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,640 More bizarre, there was a pregnant woman on board. The cook's wife. 350 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,080 The cook in mortal fear... 351 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,200 ...Looking for something vertical, jumped on half a pig. 352 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,680 He clutched it and went swinging on this pig. 353 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,680 Later on, he had to endure some jokes about this of course... 354 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,400 Kinski knew about this incident. 355 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,080 We did some shooting here, without any crew on board... 356 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,640 ...and the boat was hurled into the rocks with such an impact... 357 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:40,640 ...that the keel was wrapped around itself like the lid of a sardine tin. 358 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,640 The anchor had penetrated the thick metal wall. 359 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Everyone knew it, including Kinski. 360 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:57,960 I then thought we should shoot with a couple of cameras on board. 361 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,720 We had six volunteers and suddenly Kinski said... 362 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,320 "if you go on board, I'm coming with you. 363 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,680 If you sink, I shall sink too. " 364 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,440 Look, you can stop it again... at the beginning. 365 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,880 This is a real gramophone needle? 366 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,800 No, that's a normal sewing needle. 367 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,720 Paul, good luck to you. 368 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920 If you fall off, I'll catch you. 369 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,200 What happened? 370 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,920 Pongo, 371 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,720 We are drifting through the Pongo! 372 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,440 While we were shooting, one of the impacts was so violent... 373 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,440 ...I remember seeing the lens shooting out of the camera. 374 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,360 It flew off, and the camera man, Thomas Mauch, I tried holding him... 375 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,600 ...he flew 25 or 30 ft. through the air with me. 376 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,520 The camera weighs about 40 lbs. He held it on his shoulder... 377 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:48,360 ...it hit the deck so hard that his hand was split apart... 378 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,280 ...between these two fingers. 379 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,680 What a pity, Klaus, that you ran away before the boat struck. 380 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760 But that was the whole idea! I'm not an idiot! 381 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,600 We flew forward and the lens... 382 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,800 That's when I ran! 383 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,280 This lens here flew off. - That was the idea. 384 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,760 The rock came even closer. 385 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,040 I ran back screaming: "The engine!" 386 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,560 Then the impact and you flew. Perfect timing. 387 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,280 There were moments, too, when Kinski instinctively knew... 388 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,760 ...that he went too far. 389 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,720 And in moments like that he was a coward, thank God. 390 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,080 There was an incident at Rio Nanay... 391 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,960 ...that was the last phase of the shooting of "Aguirre". 392 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,280 As so often, he didn't know his lines, and would look for a victim. 393 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,120 Suddenly he screamed like mad: 394 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,280 "You pig!" meaning the assistant camera man. 395 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,960 "He grinned!" 396 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,200 I was supposed to fire him at once. 397 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Of course I wouldn't fire him, or else the whole team would leave. 398 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,280 He suddenly packed his things in dead earnest... 399 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:35,760 ...resolved to leave our location, packing everything in a speedboat. 400 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,080 I knew he had broken 30, 40, 50 contracts before this. 401 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,720 Only shortly before he had broken up a tour. 402 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:50,520 He ruined theatre engagements and I knew he was leaving for good. 403 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,920 I went up to him, very composed, by the way, I was not armed... 404 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,840 ...Later on, he tried to change things around to save face. 405 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,040 I went up to him and said: "You can't do this. 406 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,360 The movie is more important than our personal emotions... 407 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,200 ...even more important than our persons and... 408 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,640 ...this can't be permitted. This simply will not be!" 409 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,560 He said: "No, I'm leaving now". 410 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,800 I told him, I had a rifle and by the time he'd reach the next bend... 411 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,960 ...there'd be 8 bullets in his head and the ninth one would be mine. 412 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,320 He instinctively knew that this wasn't a joke anymore. 413 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,080 He screamed for the police like a madman. 414 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,680 However, the next police station was at least 300 miles away. 415 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,280 The press later wrote that I directed him from behind the camera... 416 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,400 ...with a loaded rifle. 417 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,800 Of course, this wasn't true... 418 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,600 ...but he was very disciplined during the last days of shooting. 419 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,720 The beast had been domesticated after all... 420 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,640 ...and pressed into shape, so that his true madness and energy... 421 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,720 ...were contained within the frame of a screen image. 422 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,840 I thank his cowardice and his instincts... 423 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,000 ...for a magnificent ending of "Aguirre". 424 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,720 When we reach the sea, we'll build a bigger boat and... 425 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,120 ...with it we'll sail north and take Trinidad away from the Spanish Crown, 426 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,520 From there we'll go on and take Mexico from Cortez, 427 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,440 What a great betrayal that will be! 428 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200 We will then control all of New Spain... 429 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560 ...and we will stage history... 430 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,880 ...as others stage plays, 431 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,480 I, the Wrath of God... 432 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560 ...will marry my own daughter... 433 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,240 ...and with her found the purest dynasty... 434 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,480 ...ever known to man, 435 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,920 Together we will rule the whole of this continent, 436 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,880 We will endure, 437 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,560 I am the Wrath of God... 438 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,240 ...who else is with me? 439 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,920 I was with him... 440 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,240 Kinski and I complemented each other in a strange way. 441 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,240 I think, he needed me just as much as I needed him. 442 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Only in public, he could never admit it. It bothered him very much. 443 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,640 In his autobiography, which is highly fictitious, he describes me... 444 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,400 ...our relationship. I shall read some of it. 445 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,800 He speaks of Herzog's "derangement insolence, impudence, brutality... 446 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,600 ...dimwittedness, megalomania, lack of talent" and it goes on like that. 447 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,800 He continuous: "Any elaboration would be a waste of time. " 448 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,240 Nevertheless, page after page, he comes back to me... 449 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,760 ...almost like an obsessive compulsion. 450 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:09,240 In some passages of this book, I kind of had a hand in them. 451 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,160 I helped him to invent particularly vile expletives. 452 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,760 He lived near here, a little higher up, and we often walked along here. 453 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,560 Sometimes we sat on a wooden bench, looking over the landscape... 454 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,600 ...or we sat by this tree musing, and he said: 455 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,920 "Werner, nobody will read this book if I don't write bad stuff about you. 456 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,360 If I wrote that we get along well together, nobody would buy it. 457 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,800 The scum only wants to hear about the dirt, all the time. " 458 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,360 I came with a dictionary and we tried to find even fouler expressions. 459 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,400 He did use some of them and we often laughed about it. 460 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:58,000 Yet, a lot of these outbreaks of hatred were certainly authentic. 461 00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,600 And this applies to both of us. 462 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,360 Nevertheless, we worked together again. 463 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,560 "Woyzeck" was shot in the small Czech town of Telc. 464 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,560 Eva Mattes was Kinski's partner in the role of Marie. 465 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:49,280 She was one of the few women who had anything good to say... 466 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,400 ...about Kinski. 467 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,560 There, under those arches, we shot quite a lot... 468 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,080 ...and on the square out there too. 469 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:06,320 Kinski had arrived exhausted from the shooting of "Nosferatu". 470 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,000 We had only 5 days in between. He was able to grow some stubbles... 471 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:18,200 ...and he was in a peculiar, fragile and sensitive mood. 472 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,520 How would you describe him? He was different with you. 473 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,960 Yes, that kind of exhaustion can stimulate you to reach rare heights. 474 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,680 He was a very professional actor... 475 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,280 ...the most professional I have ever known. 476 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,240 And he certainly exploited this, this fragility you just mentioned... 477 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,360 ...which is almost like a gift for Woyzeck, if you bring it with you... 478 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,400 ...in such a moment of exhaustion. 479 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,080 I respected him totally, but it was mutual. 480 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,280 I was anxiously looking forward to working with him... 481 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,840 ...because I knew him to be a mad actor. 482 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,440 I got to know him as a powerhouse... 483 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,840 ...you just had to plug into. 484 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,800 Do you know how long it has been, Marie? 485 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,000 At Whitsuntide it has been two years, 486 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,520 And do you know how long it will be? 487 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,760 I have to go and prepare supper, 488 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,320 - You two weren't merely actors. - That's right. 489 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:38,640 There was a strong intuition. He was a terribly intuitive actor. 490 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,360 And I am the same. There is a scene in Woyzeck where... 491 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:45,720 ...Woyzeck says to Marie: 492 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,880 "You have such a beautiful mouth, and no blister on it. " 493 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:54,360 The next day, I had a white blister in the middle of my lip. 494 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,680 Never before in my life did I have a blister on my lip and never after. 495 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:06,320 He saw it the following day and made some vulgar jokes about it. 496 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,640 But the whole thing was very strange. 497 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:15,720 There was a great intensity between us, or rather he had it... 498 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,840 ...and I had it. And I can't describe it any further. 499 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,160 The situation in the film is the following: 500 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,920 Marie has an affair with a drum major. 501 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,640 Woyzeck, drifting towards insanity, has reason to be suspicious. 502 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,600 This scene, like almost everything in Woyzeck... 503 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,600 ...was filmed in a single take without a cut. 504 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,040 Is it still you? 505 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,920 Really... 506 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,760 ...I can't see a thing, 507 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,360 You look so strange, Franz, I'm frightened, 508 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,800 I can't see anything, 509 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,080 I can't see anything, 510 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,200 One should see it, grab it with one's fists, 511 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,360 What's the matter, Franz? Your brain is raging, 512 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,160 Many folks go through this lane, 513 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,560 You talk with whom you want, What does it matter to me, 514 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,000 There... there he stood? 515 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,760 Like this with you? 516 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,040 I wish it had been me, 517 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,320 I can't keep people from the street and... 518 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,120 ...keep them from bringing their mouths, 519 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,480 And not leaving their lips at home, 520 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,760 Such a shame, they're so beautiful... 521 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,240 ...but wasps like to settle on them, 522 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,760 What kind of wasp has stung you? 523 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,000 A sin, so thick and broad, It stinks so badly... 524 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,520 ...you could smoke out the little angels from heaven, 525 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,360 You have a red mouth, Marie... 526 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,960 ...and no blister on it, 527 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,600 - Franz, you are talking in a fever! - I saw him, 528 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,280 Two good eyes see a lot in sunshine, 529 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,320 Did he stand there? Like this? Like this? 530 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,560 As the world is... 531 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,280 ...many people can stand in one place, 532 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,360 Dare touch me, Franz! 533 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,440 I'd rather have a knife in my body than your hand on mine, 534 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,120 No... 535 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,000 ...something must be on her, 536 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,360 Something should be on her, 537 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,640 Every human being is an abyss, 538 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,560 You get dizzy, looking down, 539 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,760 Innocence, you have a sign on you, 540 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,040 Do I know it? Do I know it? 541 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,120 I didn't know him, privately, so to speak... 542 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:56,560 ...but the little that was revealed during shooting was very friendly. 543 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:03,560 On the last day of shooting, we took a group photo of the team. 544 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,200 - I was sad that shooting was over. - Yes, you cried. 545 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,200 I left early, because I couldn't keep from sobbing. 546 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,760 All of a sudden, I heard steps behind me and someone said: 547 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,680 "Wait a moment". It was Kinski. 548 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,720 He took me in his arms, and he said: 549 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,320 "Eva, I know exactly how you feel. " 550 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,680 That was so wonderful. It did me a lot of good. 551 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,760 I really needed that, and he was there. 552 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,960 He went to the hotel with me, holding me the entire time... 553 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,920 ...and he simply knew. 554 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:41,680 When I got to Cannes, I received, I guess erroneously... 555 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,080 No, you deserved it! 556 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:49,920 ...this prize. I received it and not Klaus. I went to him and said: 557 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,160 "Well, what do you think about my getting this prize?" 558 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:58,200 And he said: "Eva, I think only of that walk we took together... 559 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,200 ...from the location to the hotel, when you cried so. " 560 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:08,520 That was great. He was sitting in the audience, applauding me... 561 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,080 ...and he said: "Finally you're wearing a gorgeous dress!" 562 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,320 I had told him beforehand. If they do give a prize... 563 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,640 ...it would have to be a joint one, for him, as well. And he said: 564 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,760 "I don't care about that scum! Why should I receive a prize? 565 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,680 I know that I'm a genius! 566 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,080 And on and on. I said: "We all know that. 567 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,120 You never need to get a prize. It just compromises you... 568 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,280 ...and drags you to the same level of the media, this whole circus. " 569 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,160 That did him a lot of good. He was very loving with me then. 570 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,400 He kissed me on the mouth and held me for a long time... 571 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,800 ...and was all broken up and very deeply touched. 572 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,520 There were quite a few moments like that between us. 573 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:14,960 It's always difficult to explain that he also had great human warmth... 574 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:25,920 ...which abruptly could turn into rage of unimaginable proportions. 575 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,880 You won't tell me whether I can scream or not! 576 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,880 You can lick my ass. I'm going to smack your face. 577 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,840 You can count on it! 578 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,920 I'll kick your ass if you mouth off to me! -Come on! 579 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,480 This quarrel, here, filmed as an aside... 580 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,520 ...was with our capable production manager, Walter Saxer. 581 00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,680 By some rare chance, I was not the brunt of it this time. 582 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,320 I don't give a shit about your jerking off with your friendship! 583 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,720 Go on making your shit! 584 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,400 The cause was trivial, and I didn't bother to interfere, because Kinski... 585 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,720 ...compared with his previous outbreaks seemed rather mild. 586 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,400 I simply continued setting up for the next scene. 587 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,360 - Fine, you won't get anymore. - Pigs' slops, that's what it is! 588 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,880 - You don't have to eat it. - What, you fucking idiot? 589 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,400 Eat what you want. 590 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,360 It's worse than in a prison, you asshole! 591 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,760 - You want to tell me what to eat? - Then no food for you 592 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,080 He's a madman, Lucki. 593 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,520 Take this piece of shit away! 594 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,200 You can eat your own shit! 595 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,480 A lunatic! He belongs in an asylum! 596 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,320 A madman! He's mad, he's an idiot. 597 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,640 Somebody needs to hit you in the face. You should be locked up. 598 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,320 I'm not finished with you, yet, you stupid pig! 599 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,800 How can you let such an asshole run your production? 600 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,600 You don't exist for me! 601 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:19,320 You better behave like a human being around here. 602 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,760 This is outrageous. 603 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,720 Come on, lick my ass, man! We're making a movie! 604 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,720 And we'll put you in your place where you belong, you idiot! 605 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,520 Shut up! 606 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,520 You bother me! 607 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:42,440 These ravings were frightening and a real problem for the Indians... 608 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,480 ...who solve their conflicts in a totally different manner. 609 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,760 You are so stupid that you are not aware of the consequences... 610 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,920 I don't give a shit about the consequences. 611 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,880 I know! You don't fucking care about anything! 612 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,000 In any case, I don't care about your tantrums. 613 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,360 Nobody can live on this pig food. 614 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,880 Nobody can be so stupid! 615 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,160 Then don't eat it. 616 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,520 Do you understand! I'm leaving! This is outrageous! 617 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,120 - Come on, let's leave it. - Then tell him to shut his face. 618 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,920 Come on, just leave it alone, you two, Walter, you and Klaus. 619 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,120 One of you ought to have the nerve to stop this. OK, let's start shooting. 620 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,600 We need some preparation, I would like to rehearse again. 621 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:58,520 Klaus, I'd like to show you what I have in mind. 622 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:16,840 Kinski's raving fits strained things with our Indian extras. 623 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:22,040 They were Machiguengas, these two here, and a lot of Campas, too. 624 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:29,680 Normally, they speak very softly and physical contacts are gentle. 625 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,680 They were afraid. They would sit huddled together, whispering. 626 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,440 Towards the end of shooting one of the chiefs came to me and said: 627 00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:01,440 "You probably realized that we were afraid, but not for one moment... 628 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,040 ...were we scared of that screaming madman, shouting his head off. " 629 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,920 They were actually afraid of me, because I was so quiet. 630 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:20,800 Kinski's fits can partly be explained by his egocentric character. 631 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,760 Egocentric is perhaps not the right word; he was an outright egomaniac. 632 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:32,160 Whenever there was a serious accident, it became a big problem... 633 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040 ...because, all of a sudden, he was no longer the centre of attention. 634 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,040 He was no longer important. 635 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:44,320 Once, a lumberman was bitten by a snake while cutting a tree. 636 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,040 This only happened once in 3 years, with hundreds of woodcutters... 637 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,480 ...in the jungle who always worked barefoot with their chain saws. 638 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:59,120 The snakes naturally flee from the smell of gasoline and the noise. 639 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,080 Suddenly this chuchupe struck the man twice. 640 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,880 This was the most dangerous snake of all. 641 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:14,000 It only takes a few minutes before cardiac arrest occurs. 642 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,760 He dropped the saw and thought about it for five seconds... 643 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:27,400 ...then he grabbed the saw again and cut off his foot. 644 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:34,400 It saved his life, because the camp and serum was 20 minutes away. 645 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,280 When that happened, I knew Kinski would start raving... 646 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:46,560 ...with some trifling excuse, because now he was just a marginal figure. 647 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:52,480 In another incident, a plane crashed, which was bringing 6 people here. 648 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:57,320 Luckily, they all survived, but some were seriously injured. 649 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,640 There were confusing reports on the radio, completely garbled... 650 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,680 ...and Kinski saw that he was no longer in demand. 651 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,120 So, he threw a fit, because his coffee was only lukewarm that morning. 652 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,800 For hours he screamed at me, that close to my face. Incredible. 653 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,040 I didn't know how to calm him down, and then I had an inspiration. 654 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:26,000 I went to my hut, where, for months I had hidden a piece of chocolate. 655 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,320 We would almost have killed one another for something like that. 656 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,160 I went back to him, going right into his face and ate the chocolate. 657 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,760 All of a sudden he was quiet. This was utterly beyond him. 658 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:44,960 Towards the end of shooting, the Indians offered to kill Kinski for me. 659 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,240 They said: "Shall we kill him for you?" 660 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,560 And I said: "No, for God's sake! I still need him for shooting. 661 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,320 Leave him to me!" 662 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,240 I declined, at the time, but they were dead serious. 663 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,320 They would have killed him, undoubtedly, if I had wanted it. 664 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,400 I at once regretted that I held the Indians back from their purpose. 665 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:13,600 The proposal to do away with Kinski came from this Chief. 666 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:27,880 The rage the Indians felt toward Kinski was exploited for this scene. 667 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,560 Kinski maintained that he felt close to the Indians, but this wasn't true. 668 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,920 He wanted to pretend that he was close to 'Nature's Children'... 669 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,800 ...and thus to 'Mother Nature'. 670 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,560 Between Kinski and me there was an unbridgeable gap. 671 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,240 This had to do with his feeling for nature. 672 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,840 He stylised himself as the 'Natural Man'. 673 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:17,800 I believe that everything he said about the jungle was mainly posing. 674 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:23,560 He declared everything around here erotic, but he never went near it. 675 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:30,440 He stayed in a camp for months, but never set foot in the jungle. 676 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:37,000 Once he penetrated it for about 100 feet, where a fallen tree lay. 677 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,480 Of course, the photographer had to go with him... 678 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,400 ...taking hundreds of photos of him tenderly embracing... 679 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,160 ...and copulating with this tree. 680 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,160 Poses and paraphernalia were what mattered to him. 681 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,760 His alpine gear was more important than the mountains themselves. 682 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,040 His camouflage combat fatigues tailored by Yves Saint Laurent... 683 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,000 ...were much more important than any jungle. 684 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:14,960 In this regard, Kinski was endowed with a fair share of natural stupidity. 685 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:23,240 The difference in our views became most apparent during "Fitzcarraldo". 686 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,160 Strangely enough, we reached some kind of tacit understanding... 687 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,840 ...which even extended to his ravings. 688 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:23,000 Sometimes he had an awareness that he needed to produce a fit. 689 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:29,360 I often provoked him, making a remark so that he would explode. 690 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,520 I knew he would then continue screaming for one and a half hours. 691 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,640 White foam would appear at the corners of his mouth... 692 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,720 ...until he had emptied himself out. 693 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:46,880 At such moments Aguirre's madness would break through. 694 01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:52,360 I knew there had to be a very quiet, very dangerous tone now. 695 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:58,840 Kinski saw it differently. He wanted Aguirre to start raving... 696 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,720 ...declaring himself to be the great traitor and Wrath of God. 697 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,760 Deep down, he did understand me, and hoped I would provoke him... 698 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,480 ...so he would throw his tantrum first... 699 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,200 ...and then we could shoot the scene. 700 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,560 I am the great traitor, There must be no other! 701 01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:26,600 Anyone, even thinking about deserting, will be cut into 198 pieces! 702 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,280 And then trampled upon until what is left can only be used to paint walls, 703 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,560 Whoever takes one grain of corn... 704 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,040 ...and one drop of water more than his ration... 705 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,480 ...will be locked up for 155 years, 706 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:59,240 If I, Aguirre, want the birds to drop dead from the trees... 707 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,760 ...the birds will drop dead from the trees, 708 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,800 I am the Wrath of God, 709 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,600 The earth I pass will see me and tremble, 710 01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,880 Who follows me and the river will win untold riches, 711 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,920 But whoever deserts... 712 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,040 Kinski sometimes seriously believed that I was mad. 713 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:03,400 This isn't true of course. I am quite sane, clinically sane, so to speak. 714 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,720 Nevertheless, he might have been referring to something in particular. 715 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,040 Together we were like two critical masses... 716 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,160 ...which result in a dangerous mixture when they come into contact. 717 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,120 Something that became highly explosive. 718 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,320 I was never out of my senses, but perhaps just very angry. 719 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:34,160 One day I seriously planned to firebomb him in his house. 720 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:41,040 This was prevented only by the vigilance of his Alsatian shepherd. 721 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:48,360 But although we kept our distance, we'd seek out one another again... 722 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,720 ...at the right time. 723 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,720 We met at the Telluride Film Festival in Colorado. 724 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,600 At that time we had already made three films together. 725 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,080 We hadn't seen each other for some time... 726 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,360 ...and were looking forward to our meeting... 727 01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:18,800 ...although I had just shortly before given up my plan to murder him. 728 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,800 Nosferatu -Phantom of the Night 729 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,640 You must excuse my rude entrance, 730 01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,520 I am Count Dracula, 731 01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,200 I know of you, 732 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,240 I have read Jonathan's diary, 733 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,960 Since he has been with you, he's ruined, 734 01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,040 - He will not die, - Yes, he will, 735 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:20,080 Dying is cruelty for the unsuspecting, but death is not everything, 736 01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:25,200 It is more cruel not to be able to die, 737 01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:30,440 I wish I could partake of the love that's between you and Jonathan, 738 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:37,640 Nothing in this world, not even God, can touch that, 739 01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,880 It will not change, even if Jonathan never recognises me again, 740 01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:48,960 I could change everything, Come to me and be my ally... 741 01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,800 ...there'd be salvation for your husband and for me, 742 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,520 The absence of love... 743 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,400 ...is the most abject pain, 744 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,320 Salvation comes from ourselves alone, 745 01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,320 And you may rest assured... 746 01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,720 ...that even the unthinkable will not deter me, 747 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,760 Every gray hair on my head I call Kinski. 748 01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:44,080 Yes, I miss him. Now and then I do miss him. 749 01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:49,480 There are moments, when he is very much alive for me. 750 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:55,400 He created a climate of unconditional professionalism. 751 01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:01,320 He used to complain about the lighting and demanded changes. 752 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:08,960 I can remember that vividly, when shooting at the post office in Iquitos. 753 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:15,720 Something wasn't quite as it should be and he asked for a mirror. 754 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,480 And as always, he was right. 755 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:24,360 He never maintained something was wrong, when it wasn't. 756 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,000 He sensed with 25 people on the set... 757 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,960 ...when somebody in the back was whispering. 758 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:33,800 Yes, the raving fit would follow without fail. 759 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,800 It was almost an animal presence that he had. 760 01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:45,560 I learned something special from him, from his physicality. 761 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:49,240 I later called it the Kinski spiral... 762 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,080 ...meaning an appearance from behind the camera. 763 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:54,200 If you enter the scene from the side, showing your profile... 764 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:58,640 ...and then face the camera, there is no tension. 765 01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800 He developed something. 766 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:06,240 Standing next to the tripod, he would twist his leg around... 767 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:11,680 ...and this way his body had to spiral itself organically into the picture. 768 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:16,840 If you were the camera, he would position himself right next to it... 769 01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,400 ...and twist into frame. 770 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,560 This created a mysterious, disturbing tension. 771 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,640 Come and play something for the men, 772 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,280 He did spiral just like that, I can remember, up on that platform... 773 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,560 ...when we were filming simultaneously from a helicopter. 774 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:16,280 He did it up on that platform, and that was very dangerous... 775 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,600 ...because it was well over 120 feet up in the treetops. 776 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:28,080 Everything was swaying and they hoisted us up there. 777 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,440 I can hardly believe it, 778 01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,960 There is the Ucayali, 779 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,840 All the river above the Pongo das Mortes belongs to us, 780 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,520 I knew it, we're going to build a railway tunnel, 781 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:47,800 No, 782 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,800 We're going to drag that ship over the mountain, 783 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,480 And the bare-asses are going to help us. 784 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,000 How the hell are we going to do this? 785 01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,400 Just like the cow jumped over the moon, 786 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,200 We often understood one another without words... 787 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,160 ...almost like animals. 788 01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:14,600 And the closeness became such that we almost changed roles. 789 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,960 When we started Jason Robards was Fitzcarraldo... 790 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,320 ...and Mick Jagger played his sidekick. 791 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,960 Jason became so ill that we had to fly him out to the United States. 792 01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:28,320 And the doctors wouldn't permit him to return. 793 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:50,040 This church remains closed till this town has its opera house, 794 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,920 I want the opera house, 795 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,880 I want my opera house! 796 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,600 I want to have an opera! 797 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,720 The church remains closed until this town has an opera! 798 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,760 I will build my opera house! 799 01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,080 I will build an opera! 800 01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:18,240 I want to have an opera! 801 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:45,440 I knew, if I didn't get him, I'd have to change body and role with him. 802 01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:54,120 I thank God on my knees that I didn't have to and that Kinski did it. 803 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,680 We had a blessed one working there, and I am truly glad. 804 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:03,680 I met him in New York and he was just great. 805 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:09,240 I was devastated, and he opened a bottle of champagne and said: 806 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,360 "I knew it, Werner, I knew I would be Fitzcarraldo. 807 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,320 I am Fitzcarraldo and you're not going to be him... 808 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,320 ...because I'm much better than you. 809 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,680 Of course he was right. 810 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:25,280 But when I brought him to this site, he saw how steep the terrain was. 811 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:31,160 His heart sank, and he thought, for God's sake, this can't be done. 812 01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,560 He saw it at once. 813 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,080 Our task was, to heave an Amazon steamboat bit by bit... 814 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:40,680 ...across that thing there. 815 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,520 Do you see that red cliff there? 816 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,040 Yes, I see it, 817 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,400 That must be it! 818 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:53,200 Good, We can't go much further, or we'll run into a sandbank, 819 01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,720 That slope may look insignificant... 820 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,960 ...but it's going to be my destiny, 821 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:08,720 Strangely enough, he later became the strongest negative force... 822 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,000 ...which worked to break up the project or at least change it. 823 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,280 When the river was swollen and I was sitting in my hut... 824 01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,800 ...gazing at the river, which kept rising and rising, all day long. 825 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,920 Suddenly there was a delegation, which had been sent by Kinski. 826 01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,720 They arrived with tea and said: 827 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:38,120 "Let's be calm now. Let's think about what we can do now. " 828 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,200 I said: "What do you mean? I am the only one who is calm here. " 829 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:48,400 Kinski wanted to protect me from my own madness. 830 01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:55,280 It was clear that Kinski, the strongest force, had now also abandoned me. 831 01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:05,200 Everyone had left me and the loneliness for weeks was difficult. 832 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,480 There was nobody on my side, any longer, who believed in the film. 833 01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,880 Nobody. Not a single one. 834 01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:23,840 Only when the boat started to move, which was an incredible... 835 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:31,120 ...mechanical, kinetic effort, Kinski saw a chance to put enthusiasm... 836 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,320 ...and energy into the story. 837 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,600 Although I felt a certain disappointment... 838 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,760 ...that he didn't fully participate until this point, I held on to one thing. 839 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,680 With all the films we did together: the only thing that counted was... 840 01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,160 ...what you would see on the screen. 841 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,240 Pull harder! 842 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,000 I can't believe it... it works, 843 01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:21,760 - It is moving, It is moving! - It is moving! 844 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:34,280 Watch out! 845 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,920 For a really big boat my money won't be enough, 846 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,720 You'll make it, 847 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,200 This here, I remember very well... 848 01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:53,160 ...a photo you took which served as a model for a painting. 849 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,680 This was the moment when he saw the painting for the first time. 850 01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,760 You can see how we had relaxed moments with one another. 851 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,240 But his mood changed completely here. 852 01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,280 Suddenly something in the picture didn't suit him anymore... 853 01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,560 ...and he exploded and started screaming like a berserk. 854 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,600 Yes, that happened from one second to the next. 855 01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:20,200 He had this capacity for becoming a totally different person. 856 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:26,400 This polarity that manifested itself again and again. 857 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,040 This became our poster. 858 01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:36,560 Nobody believed, at first, that we heaved the boat across the mountain. 859 01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,520 You have furnished the proof and the movie does it as well. 860 01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:45,640 Yes, here's the evidence in black and white, and on paper. 861 01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,840 It is a great metaphor - for what, I don't know to this day... 862 01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,840 ...but I know it's a great metaphor. 863 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:56,000 Here, 'Cobra Verde', the end. 864 01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,000 This is where you show Kinski how to walk in this scene. 865 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,720 In front of this crippled man, yes. 866 01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:11,520 He had polio as a child and you cast him in the film. 867 01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,720 You used to act things out for Klaus, beautifully. 868 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:22,400 We often changed parts. I could have played this role as well. 869 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,240 You would have also been a good Fitzcarraldo. 870 01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,360 That's what you are, in reality. 871 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,280 I truly like this very much. It happened because... 872 01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,560 ...he must have sensed the presence of your camera. 873 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,520 He also just wanted to let you have it, didn't he? 874 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:52,680 There you are, directing the army of 800 women, Amazon warriors. 875 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:58,000 Yes, like a shepherd dog, as usual without megaphone or loudspeaker. 876 01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,080 Always running. 877 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,400 Kinski was very physical too, but differently. 878 01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,240 He drew everyone and I held them together. 879 01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:13,680 That's what you do and you have done it with bravado. 880 01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,520 We complemented each other well, because I kept the herd together... 881 01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,920 ...and he attracted it magnetically. 882 01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:24,040 You can see it in this picture here. 883 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:30,560 This is him as the leader of the rebellion against the King... 884 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:35,480 ...with this incredible, crazed energy he possessed. 885 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,040 They have taken the sacred python from the temple, 886 01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,000 We must turn back, Nobody gets past it alive! 887 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,880 Nonsense, In my country, I was a snake myself, 888 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,120 Out of my way! 889 01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,680 Seize him! 890 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,720 Stay back, His wives will strangle him, now, 891 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,320 This scene, where slave trader Cobra Verde tries to flee and dies... 892 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:37,160 ...was the last day of shooting that we had together. 893 01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,600 Kinski was completely beyond control. 894 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,760 He already identified himself with the role in his own project, 'Paganini'... 895 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:50,080 ...and brought with him into my film an unpleasant climate... 896 01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:54,040 ...something offensive that was alien to me. 897 01:28:55,320 --> 01:29:00,240 Kinski had insisted for years that I should direct 'Paganini'... 898 01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:05,600 ...but I always declined because I considered his script unfilmable. 899 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,720 He finally made the film alone. 900 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:14,040 I didn't want to continue our collaboration. 901 01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,640 We parted ways. 902 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:22,920 In 1991 he died in his home, north of San Francisco. 903 01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:27,760 He had spent himself. It was as if he had burnt himself out. 904 01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,360 He had put so much intensity into this scene... 905 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:42,480 ...that from this alone he had emptied himself out. 906 01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:46,280 This should have been filmed at the start of shooting. 907 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:52,800 In any case, he had spent himself. He burned away like a comet. 908 01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,600 Afterwards he was ashes. 909 01:29:57,480 --> 01:30:01,480 This is what I sensed, and he himself said something similar. 910 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,920 He said: "We can go no further. 911 01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,920 I am no more. " 912 01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:44,960 Sometimes I want to put my arm around him again... 913 01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:51,120 ...but I guess I only dream of this because I've seen it in old footage. 914 01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,880 We are friends, we joke with one another... 915 01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,600 ...as if it had always been that way. 916 01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,160 And yet we belonged together. 917 01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,360 We were ready to go down together. 918 01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,880 I see us back in the jungle, together in a boat. 919 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,240 The whole world belongs to us. 920 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:31,680 But Klaus seems to want to fly away. 921 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:38,120 Shouldn't I have noticed, that it was his soul that wanted to flutter away? 922 01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,960 Then I see him with a butterfly, softly, delicately. 923 01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,000 The little creature doesn't want to leave him, and is so unafraid... 924 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:53,720 ...sometimes it seems to me that Klaus himself turns into a butterfly. 925 01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:58,560 Everything that weighed on us is gone. 926 01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,280 And even though my mind revolts against it... 927 01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,880 ...something deep inside tells me... 928 01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,840 ...this is the way I'd like to keep him in my memory.82337

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