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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:05,384 --> 00:00:09,354 [soft music playing] 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:41,213 --> 00:00:45,321 [dramatic music] 5 00:00:47,633 --> 00:00:48,703 Here we go! 6 00:00:48,841 --> 00:00:51,085 [explosion] 7 00:00:51,327 --> 00:00:52,949 [upbeat music] 8 00:00:53,087 --> 00:00:54,468 [laughs] 9 00:00:54,606 --> 00:00:56,539 -Oh, my God. -Oh, my God! 10 00:00:56,677 --> 00:00:57,816 Whoa! 11 00:00:57,954 --> 00:00:59,990 YouTube has video. 12 00:01:00,129 --> 00:01:03,753 [man] I'm gonna spend the next 50 hours buried alive in this coffin. 13 00:01:03,891 --> 00:01:06,273 [boys laughing] 14 00:01:06,411 --> 00:01:08,758 [woman] So I'm really excited to be launching this YouTube channel. 15 00:01:08,896 --> 00:01:10,656 I run nine different YouTube channels. 16 00:01:10,794 --> 00:01:12,934 [man] So hit that like button! Smash that like button! 17 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:15,799 [upbeat music continues] 18 00:01:17,111 --> 00:01:18,319 Woo! 19 00:01:18,457 --> 00:01:20,149 [upbeat music continues] 20 00:01:20,287 --> 00:01:22,530 Yo, it's just a prank! 21 00:01:24,014 --> 00:01:25,326 [screams] 22 00:01:26,672 --> 00:01:28,329 -Whose streets? -Our streets! 23 00:01:28,467 --> 00:01:29,917 [upbeat music continues] 24 00:01:30,055 --> 00:01:33,093 -[repeating Donald Trump's name] -Holy shit! 25 00:01:33,231 --> 00:01:35,164 [upbeat music continues] 26 00:01:35,302 --> 00:01:37,097 Please don't shoot me, man. 27 00:01:40,307 --> 00:01:43,448 [upbeat music continues] 28 00:01:49,557 --> 00:01:51,525 [crowd chanting] Stop the steal! 29 00:01:54,252 --> 00:01:57,565 [upbeat music continues] 30 00:02:00,430 --> 00:02:02,467 [music fades] 31 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,680 [static crackling] 32 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:20,347 [horns honking] 33 00:02:23,764 --> 00:02:26,560 [soft music] 34 00:02:30,943 --> 00:02:33,360 [soft music continues] 35 00:02:36,086 --> 00:02:38,088 [Steve Chen] It's kind of an interesting past. 36 00:02:38,606 --> 00:02:43,335 Born in Taiwan and traveled to the U.S. 37 00:02:43,473 --> 00:02:45,165 when I was eight years old. 38 00:02:45,303 --> 00:02:47,719 [modem dialing] 39 00:02:47,857 --> 00:02:51,447 In 1992, 1993, 40 00:02:51,757 --> 00:02:54,898 we had exposure to the Internet. 41 00:02:55,209 --> 00:02:57,280 So you had a bunch of 14, 15 year-olds 42 00:02:57,418 --> 00:03:01,905 without parental supervision, having access to the Internet. 43 00:03:02,043 --> 00:03:03,424 And the Internet was new. 44 00:03:03,562 --> 00:03:05,599 It was, I mean, even more experimental 45 00:03:05,737 --> 00:03:07,635 than what you know the Internet today. 46 00:03:07,773 --> 00:03:09,499 People were still just trying to figure out, 47 00:03:09,637 --> 00:03:11,501 "What do you do with these interconnected machines?" 48 00:03:11,915 --> 00:03:16,817 And so that began sort of already my long-term career 49 00:03:16,955 --> 00:03:19,544 of going to sleep at 3 a.m., 4 a.m. every night. 50 00:03:19,682 --> 00:03:22,512 It's just getting online, talking with people 51 00:03:22,650 --> 00:03:24,963 and kind of just figuring out things all together. 52 00:03:25,584 --> 00:03:28,380 [jet engine roaring] 53 00:03:29,588 --> 00:03:34,041 I left the University of Illinois in 1999. 54 00:03:34,179 --> 00:03:38,114 Do you actually drop out of school and do the startup thing? 55 00:03:38,252 --> 00:03:40,944 And, you know, that means it was a major life decision, 56 00:03:41,082 --> 00:03:43,292 but it was made within minutes of saying, 57 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:45,190 "Okay, forget what I'm going to be doing. 58 00:03:45,328 --> 00:03:46,985 I can always finish off my senior year 59 00:03:47,123 --> 00:03:49,815 if this startup doesn't work out, but I need to buy a ticket 60 00:03:49,953 --> 00:03:52,956 to get out to Silicon Valley as quickly as possible." 61 00:03:53,094 --> 00:03:55,062 [dial-up modem connecting]] 62 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,167 [female host] By now, you've heard the buzz. 63 00:03:57,789 --> 00:04:00,792 [male host] It spans the globe like a superhighway. 64 00:04:00,930 --> 00:04:04,036 Telephones, TV, and computers are merging. 65 00:04:04,174 --> 00:04:05,486 Whoa! 66 00:04:05,624 --> 00:04:07,523 [upbeat music] 67 00:04:07,661 --> 00:04:09,904 You know, people who had access to the Internet were able 68 00:04:10,042 --> 00:04:12,217 to communicate with each other across borders. 69 00:04:13,045 --> 00:04:16,980 It was exciting, it was an enabler of really kind of 70 00:04:17,118 --> 00:04:19,949 a unique type of communication that hadn't been able to exist 71 00:04:20,087 --> 00:04:22,262 in that way before without travel. 72 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,093 Wave your hands, Brian, so we can get a sense of how this works. 73 00:04:26,231 --> 00:04:27,991 Okay. Hi there. 74 00:04:28,129 --> 00:04:30,822 I was trying to describe to one of my undergraduates 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,066 what the world looked like in '97, just 20 some odd years ago. 76 00:04:34,204 --> 00:04:36,759 And I was explaining to them that the way we took pictures, 77 00:04:36,897 --> 00:04:38,347 the dominant medium was film. 78 00:04:38,485 --> 00:04:40,418 They're like, "What's that?" 79 00:04:41,039 --> 00:04:43,662 I was like, "Oh man, I have to define film." 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:45,906 So I explained, you know, there's this canister 81 00:04:46,044 --> 00:04:48,253 with this photosensitive material, and you put it in the camera, 82 00:04:48,391 --> 00:04:50,082 and you take 20 pictures, and then you take it out, and you take it 83 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:52,430 down to the drugstore, and then, you know, 84 00:04:52,568 --> 00:04:54,639 somebody developed it, and four days later, you get your pictures. 85 00:04:54,777 --> 00:04:56,710 I swear to God, I think they thought I was pulling their leg. 86 00:04:56,848 --> 00:04:59,920 Like, they couldn't fathom what the world looks like today 87 00:05:00,058 --> 00:05:01,646 compared to that in '97. 88 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:06,098 [Jeff Bezos] There are gonna be lots of successful companies 89 00:05:06,236 --> 00:05:07,307 born of the Internet. 90 00:05:07,445 --> 00:05:08,929 [boys cheering] 91 00:05:09,067 --> 00:05:11,690 [keys typing] 92 00:05:13,243 --> 00:05:17,040 Well, I was getting pretty depressed like towards the end of last week. 93 00:05:17,178 --> 00:05:19,249 And I was like, "Dude, we have, like maybe 94 00:05:19,388 --> 00:05:21,044 40, 50, 60 videos on the site, but..." 95 00:05:21,182 --> 00:05:24,254 [Steve] I started in PayPal in 1999 96 00:05:24,393 --> 00:05:26,084 and I left PayPal in 2005. 97 00:05:26,222 --> 00:05:28,466 So during the course of that period was when I met 98 00:05:28,604 --> 00:05:32,366 the two other co-founders of YouTube, Jawed and Chad Hurley. 99 00:05:32,573 --> 00:05:37,475 [Steve] Of the search results, or of the set that the image came from? 100 00:05:37,613 --> 00:05:39,442 Yeah, where it came from in the results, so... 101 00:05:39,753 --> 00:05:45,828 On of the guys that we met early on was the co-founder of another service. 102 00:05:46,380 --> 00:05:48,969 And it was called hotornot.com. 103 00:05:49,901 --> 00:05:52,800 This service can be explained pretty easily. 104 00:05:52,938 --> 00:05:56,563 You look at a photo and there were two options. 105 00:05:57,046 --> 00:05:58,392 You voted "Hot" 106 00:05:58,530 --> 00:06:01,084 or "Not" on the photo. 107 00:06:01,222 --> 00:06:06,020 We just thought, "You know, what a great opportunity it would be 108 00:06:06,158 --> 00:06:10,197 if you created a video version of this instead of just seeing a photo. 109 00:06:10,853 --> 00:06:14,339 [laughs] So that's the true story behind 110 00:06:14,477 --> 00:06:17,687 the YouTube service as we know it today. 111 00:06:18,688 --> 00:06:21,726 [whimsical music] 112 00:06:22,623 --> 00:06:24,625 We started building the service. 113 00:06:24,763 --> 00:06:28,146 And I would say that much of the work was on the engineering side. 114 00:06:29,906 --> 00:06:32,978 What became of YouTube is not something 115 00:06:33,116 --> 00:06:37,500 that's fundamentally a new and novel idea 116 00:06:37,638 --> 00:06:40,503 in that people have considered and thought about, 117 00:06:40,641 --> 00:06:43,920 are there ways to be able to share video online? 118 00:06:44,058 --> 00:06:47,648 Because plenty of people at the time had videos that they wanted to share. 119 00:06:47,786 --> 00:06:49,305 It was just sitting on their hard drives, 120 00:06:49,443 --> 00:06:51,583 but there was no way to be able to share them. 121 00:06:51,721 --> 00:06:54,206 [keys clicking] 122 00:06:54,931 --> 00:06:57,555 All right, so here we are in front of the elephants. 123 00:06:59,246 --> 00:07:00,937 Cool thing about these guys is that they have... 124 00:07:01,075 --> 00:07:02,974 [Steve] A large part of it early on 125 00:07:03,112 --> 00:07:05,873 was actually looking through and kind of seeing 126 00:07:06,011 --> 00:07:09,912 what kind of videos would people want to be able 127 00:07:10,050 --> 00:07:13,433 to share that they didn't know were shareable before. 128 00:07:13,571 --> 00:07:16,194 Look, here's finally a service where if you wanna get 129 00:07:16,332 --> 00:07:18,092 a political message out there, if you want to get some 130 00:07:18,230 --> 00:07:20,854 kind of message out there, you can use this platform. 131 00:07:20,992 --> 00:07:23,788 You're not going to be able to turn on the TV and be able to see this. 132 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:29,103 I remember it showing up as like a place with goofy videos... 133 00:07:29,449 --> 00:07:31,658 [boy laughs] Charlie. 134 00:07:31,796 --> 00:07:35,213 ...that didn't strike me as something that would revolutionize the world... 135 00:07:35,351 --> 00:07:37,111 [crowd yelling] 136 00:07:37,491 --> 00:07:38,975 [boy laughing] 137 00:07:39,113 --> 00:07:41,564 [Talia] ...be livelihoods for so many people... 138 00:07:41,702 --> 00:07:45,810 [yells] 100 million subscribers. Thank you, YouTube. 139 00:07:45,948 --> 00:07:47,397 Ow! 140 00:07:47,536 --> 00:07:49,365 [Talia] ...spawn everything from social movements... 141 00:07:49,503 --> 00:07:50,608 I can't breathe! 142 00:07:51,091 --> 00:07:52,886 [Talia] ...to really Baroque dramas. 143 00:07:53,024 --> 00:07:54,957 I don't like 'em putting chemicals in the water 144 00:07:55,095 --> 00:07:57,442 that turned the friggin' frogs gay. 145 00:07:57,718 --> 00:08:00,756 Charlie, that really hurt. 146 00:08:01,964 --> 00:08:04,035 [Talia] That all came a bit later. 147 00:08:04,518 --> 00:08:06,624 [baby laughing] 148 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:10,835 [crowd screaming] 149 00:08:12,906 --> 00:08:14,597 [Anthony Padilla] I was like, "Video. 150 00:08:14,735 --> 00:08:16,461 Video is the next big thing that's gonna be on the Internet. 151 00:08:16,599 --> 00:08:19,153 This is so cool. "Like, you could record something on 152 00:08:19,291 --> 00:08:20,845 God, you couldn't even record on a cell phone then. 153 00:08:20,983 --> 00:08:23,779 It was like, steal someone's webcam. 154 00:08:24,469 --> 00:08:27,127 [Power Rangers theme music] 155 00:08:28,162 --> 00:08:30,786 Well, we actually started making videos 156 00:08:30,924 --> 00:08:33,582 before YouTube even existed. 157 00:08:34,237 --> 00:08:36,032 [lip syncing to music] 158 00:08:36,343 --> 00:08:38,863 [Anthony] We don't even have broadband Internet yet. 159 00:08:39,001 --> 00:08:41,003 [lip syncing to music] 160 00:08:41,141 --> 00:08:43,039 Videos are not a thing that you do on the Internet. 161 00:08:43,177 --> 00:08:46,146 [Mortal Kombat music playing] 162 00:08:46,284 --> 00:08:48,528 [lip syncing to music] 163 00:08:48,666 --> 00:08:50,357 [slapping sound effect] 164 00:08:50,495 --> 00:08:53,360 [Ian] You know, we had just graduated from high school. 165 00:08:53,498 --> 00:08:55,500 We were 17 years old, 166 00:08:55,638 --> 00:08:58,261 all of our friends were going off to colleges, 167 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,575 and we decided to stay in our hometown of Sacramento, 168 00:09:01,713 --> 00:09:03,266 go to community college. 169 00:09:03,404 --> 00:09:05,268 [Mortal Kombat music] 170 00:09:05,406 --> 00:09:09,963 Then somebody took one of our videos and put it on YouTube. 171 00:09:10,653 --> 00:09:13,414 I did a Google search, and I found that it was uploaded 172 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:14,933 to this website called YouTube. 173 00:09:15,416 --> 00:09:17,971 Someone just ripped it and posted it there. 174 00:09:19,144 --> 00:09:21,975 [Steve] What YouTube really brought to the game was, 175 00:09:22,113 --> 00:09:26,876 I think, the ability to be able to utilize the latest technology 176 00:09:27,014 --> 00:09:30,328 that was available, and then building that into a cohesive system 177 00:09:30,466 --> 00:09:32,675 that made it much easier for the user experience. 178 00:09:32,813 --> 00:09:35,782 Millions of viewers now from all over the world are logging on 179 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,267 to view their short films and video projects, 180 00:09:38,405 --> 00:09:42,754 [female reporter] Their Pokémon video, the second most watched clip on YouTube.com, 181 00:09:42,892 --> 00:09:46,137 more than 15 million views so far. 182 00:09:46,275 --> 00:09:48,829 [Anthony] I'm like this introverted kid who 183 00:09:48,967 --> 00:09:51,694 is terrified of speaking in front of a class 184 00:09:51,832 --> 00:09:53,593 of, like, 30 kids, but yet... 185 00:09:54,076 --> 00:09:55,940 I'm like, I can do this on my own, 186 00:09:56,078 --> 00:09:59,322 in my bedroom, upload it, people can enjoy it. 187 00:09:59,806 --> 00:10:01,635 [skates rolling] 188 00:10:02,153 --> 00:10:04,811 When YouTube first arrived, we didn't really have 189 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:07,089 high-speed Internet connections the way we do now. 190 00:10:07,227 --> 00:10:08,746 I didn't have a smartphone. 191 00:10:09,056 --> 00:10:11,024 [documentary narrator] They're off. 192 00:10:11,162 --> 00:10:13,854 [Jillian] And so back then, it was really exciting to be able 193 00:10:13,992 --> 00:10:16,374 to go online and watch a video that maybe 194 00:10:16,512 --> 00:10:18,410 you never would have been able to access before. 195 00:10:18,997 --> 00:10:21,034 [documentary narrator] This competitor is determined to finish. 196 00:10:21,172 --> 00:10:23,036 [Jillian] And yet at the same time, it was slow. 197 00:10:23,174 --> 00:10:25,590 I think the first video I ever uploaded to YouTube 198 00:10:25,728 --> 00:10:28,317 was of my cat drinking out of my water glass. 199 00:10:28,455 --> 00:10:31,976 And I'd taken it with maybe my first digital camera, 200 00:10:32,114 --> 00:10:35,324 and it took hours to get it online, and I don't even know why I did it. 201 00:10:35,565 --> 00:10:38,120 But it was just this exciting moment to be able 202 00:10:38,258 --> 00:10:40,260 to share something with the world like that. 203 00:10:40,778 --> 00:10:42,469 [cat licking] 204 00:10:42,987 --> 00:10:45,334 [bell ringing] These are from a gentleman at another table. 205 00:10:45,472 --> 00:10:47,198 -What? -Enjoy. 206 00:10:48,993 --> 00:10:50,788 [Steve] " Dear sirs, we would like to buy your video sharing site. 207 00:10:50,926 --> 00:10:52,375 Milkshakes on us!" [bell ringing] 208 00:10:52,513 --> 00:10:53,963 Awesome. Let's do it. 209 00:10:54,101 --> 00:10:56,241 Hi, YouTube. This is Chad and Steve. 210 00:10:56,379 --> 00:10:58,519 We're the co-founders of the site. 211 00:10:58,658 --> 00:10:59,969 And we just want to say thank you. 212 00:11:00,107 --> 00:11:01,591 Today, we have some exciting news for you. 213 00:11:01,730 --> 00:11:03,386 We've been acquired by Google. 214 00:11:03,524 --> 00:11:06,217 Yeah, thanks. Thanks to every one of you guys that, 215 00:11:06,355 --> 00:11:09,013 have been contributing to YouTube, the community. 216 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:12,188 We wouldn't be anywhere close to where we are 217 00:11:12,326 --> 00:11:14,915 without the help of this community. Thanks a lot. 218 00:11:15,364 --> 00:11:17,297 [soft tense music] 219 00:11:19,057 --> 00:11:20,818 [Brian Williams] There has been a big merger in the business world, 220 00:11:20,956 --> 00:11:23,786 One that may say a lot about our world these days. 221 00:11:24,442 --> 00:11:30,068 [male host] Web giant Google will pay 1.6 billion to gobble up YouTube. 222 00:11:30,517 --> 00:11:32,346 [soft tense music] 223 00:11:35,764 --> 00:11:37,524 [soft music] 224 00:11:37,662 --> 00:11:39,353 [Susan Wojcicki] The light bulb for me when I realized 225 00:11:39,491 --> 00:11:41,839 that YouTube was going to be really big, 226 00:11:41,977 --> 00:11:43,737 was with this very specific video, 227 00:11:43,875 --> 00:11:47,361 which was the first hit that I saw, actually, on Google Video. 228 00:11:47,499 --> 00:11:52,919 [lip syncing to Backstreet Boys music] 229 00:11:53,057 --> 00:11:56,060 Of these two young students, 230 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:59,270 singing the Backstreet Boys in their dorm room, 231 00:11:59,649 --> 00:12:02,342 and their roommate is doing homework in the back. 232 00:12:02,963 --> 00:12:04,827 I still laugh when I see it today. 233 00:12:05,621 --> 00:12:08,244 [lip syncing] 234 00:12:08,486 --> 00:12:10,522 And I realized, "Wow, this is going to be a big thing. 235 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:14,147 People wanna see other people like them on YouTube. 236 00:12:14,285 --> 00:12:15,873 This is going to be important." 237 00:12:16,011 --> 00:12:18,461 [soft tense music] 238 00:12:18,738 --> 00:12:22,362 One of the things that I did was I did this model where I forecasted 239 00:12:22,500 --> 00:12:24,605 that it was actually gonna be a really big business, 240 00:12:24,744 --> 00:12:27,298 and we could justify the price that we paid for it, 241 00:12:27,436 --> 00:12:30,819 which was 1.65 billion dollars, which was a huge price. 242 00:12:31,267 --> 00:12:32,890 I had a hundred percent conviction. 243 00:12:33,028 --> 00:12:36,031 There was no doubt in my mind that this was gonna be 244 00:12:36,169 --> 00:12:37,826 a huge trend of the future. 245 00:12:37,964 --> 00:12:40,276 But there were many around me that questioned it, for sure. 246 00:12:40,414 --> 00:12:43,279 I mean, we saw it in the press, we saw other people who were 247 00:12:43,417 --> 00:12:45,903 supposedly, like, tech experts say, 248 00:12:46,041 --> 00:12:50,114 "This was, like, one of the stupidest acquisitions ever." 249 00:12:50,252 --> 00:12:52,081 Like, someone told me how that day 250 00:12:52,219 --> 00:12:55,498 they were with a bunch of different Nobel Prize winners in economics, 251 00:12:55,636 --> 00:12:58,363 and they were all talking about what a bad acquisition this was, 252 00:12:58,501 --> 00:13:00,607 and how could have Google made such a huge mistake? 253 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:04,680 So I think people across the board did not, like, 254 00:13:04,818 --> 00:13:06,855 recognize that this was gonna be a really, 255 00:13:06,993 --> 00:13:09,167 really big opportunity. 256 00:13:09,305 --> 00:13:11,445 [Chad] This is the dinner at YouTube. This is what it's like to work here. 257 00:13:12,274 --> 00:13:14,863 We're gonna feature this video tomorrow so... 258 00:13:15,518 --> 00:13:18,073 [soft tense music] 259 00:13:22,008 --> 00:13:24,217 [indistinct chattering] 260 00:13:24,942 --> 00:13:28,186 -[man] Cheers. -[All] Cheers. Woo. 261 00:13:30,257 --> 00:13:33,191 I find it fascinating the way I think 262 00:13:33,329 --> 00:13:38,093 younger Millennials, and certainly Gen Z use YouTube 263 00:13:38,231 --> 00:13:41,924 almost the way the rest of us use Google search. 264 00:13:42,649 --> 00:13:46,584 You know, that's where they go to find information. 265 00:13:46,722 --> 00:13:49,000 For those of you that are new here, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, 266 00:13:49,138 --> 00:13:50,622 I like to talk about the news, world events, 267 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,039 and then Friday, it is all about the conversation. 268 00:13:53,798 --> 00:13:57,664 [Nitasha] I think that it can be really wonderful, but it's just always 269 00:13:57,802 --> 00:14:02,289 been baffling to me that here is the most massive video platform 270 00:14:02,427 --> 00:14:04,567 influencing billions around the world, 271 00:14:04,705 --> 00:14:06,121 [horns honking] 272 00:14:06,259 --> 00:14:08,192 and, you know, for years, 273 00:14:08,330 --> 00:14:11,333 Google wouldn't even break out, like, basic statistics about it 274 00:14:11,471 --> 00:14:14,439 in its quarterly earnings calls. 275 00:14:14,612 --> 00:14:16,925 You know I don't have any specific metrics to give but... 276 00:14:17,063 --> 00:14:18,512 We definitely... 277 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:20,652 are seeing impact and 278 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:23,034 we think we are in early days of the impact 279 00:14:23,172 --> 00:14:24,829 impact we can see. 280 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:27,728 [Nitasha] And even just from a financial standpoint, 281 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:31,318 how did they just tuck this under the Google umbrella 282 00:14:31,456 --> 00:14:33,631 as though this is just a, like a side bet, 283 00:14:33,769 --> 00:14:38,360 when it is, like, kind of the default portal to information? 284 00:14:38,498 --> 00:14:40,258 [Steve] Yeah, the making of YouTube... 285 00:14:40,396 --> 00:14:42,191 Here's your new keys to your new office. 286 00:14:42,329 --> 00:14:44,711 -[Steve] All right, thanks. -[Chad] Present you your key. 287 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:47,472 [Steve] When Chad and I were pointing some things, they still gave us 288 00:14:47,610 --> 00:14:51,649 the decision-making power to utilize the resources 289 00:14:51,787 --> 00:14:54,686 of Google after the acquisition, but we were 290 00:14:55,273 --> 00:14:56,896 allowed to make the decisions 291 00:14:57,034 --> 00:14:59,208 of where we wanted to take the product. 292 00:15:00,451 --> 00:15:03,247 [soft music] 293 00:15:04,558 --> 00:15:06,526 I think when it got acquired by Google, 294 00:15:07,078 --> 00:15:10,668 the general narrowing of the Internet, where like, 295 00:15:10,806 --> 00:15:13,291 there used to be web surfing 296 00:15:13,429 --> 00:15:15,638 where you would just, like, bounce around 297 00:15:15,776 --> 00:15:18,676 all these different sites from all these different creators, 298 00:15:18,814 --> 00:15:23,094 and really be looking at different things. 299 00:15:23,232 --> 00:15:24,647 And now we're much more centralized on 300 00:15:24,785 --> 00:15:26,960 our social media feeds, and there's a sense 301 00:15:27,098 --> 00:15:28,928 of much more controlled chaos. 302 00:15:29,066 --> 00:15:30,757 Like, everyone's talking 303 00:15:30,895 --> 00:15:33,001 and talking over each other and contributing, 304 00:15:33,139 --> 00:15:35,796 but within these silos, there's 305 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:39,697 the central platform of the whole Internet. 306 00:15:40,491 --> 00:15:42,458 [calm music] 307 00:15:44,219 --> 00:15:45,979 [male narrator] The wheels of the tech industry never stop turning. 308 00:15:46,117 --> 00:15:50,087 And in 2007, we saw glimpse after glimpse of new technology. 309 00:15:50,811 --> 00:15:52,952 [soft music] 310 00:15:54,539 --> 00:15:57,715 That was, like, the pinnacle of the moment when everyone 311 00:15:57,853 --> 00:16:00,614 was so excited about the potential of technology 312 00:16:00,752 --> 00:16:04,135 and social media to change the world for the better. 313 00:16:04,342 --> 00:16:05,757 This is one device... 314 00:16:05,895 --> 00:16:07,207 [crowd cheering] 315 00:16:07,345 --> 00:16:10,659 and we are calling it iPhone. 316 00:16:11,453 --> 00:16:14,042 [Becca] There was this idea, of, like, organizations, 317 00:16:14,180 --> 00:16:17,493 these old bureaucratic institutions aren't going to matter anymore 318 00:16:17,631 --> 00:16:20,565 because people can kind of come together 319 00:16:20,703 --> 00:16:24,880 just using the Internet, and can change the world that way. 320 00:16:25,018 --> 00:16:27,779 [crowd chanting] 321 00:16:29,264 --> 00:16:31,266 [police screaming] 322 00:16:31,404 --> 00:16:33,751 [woman] I like to think of this as the beginning of the revolution. 323 00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:36,788 So this is a bunch of people coming together to create a new cultural impulse. 324 00:16:36,926 --> 00:16:38,618 [engine buzzing] 325 00:16:38,756 --> 00:16:40,792 [Jillian] States would control what foreign media can do, 326 00:16:40,930 --> 00:16:43,519 and I think we really saw this at the beginning 327 00:16:43,657 --> 00:16:45,901 of the Egyptian uprising, 328 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:48,455 when there were only a few networks that already had people in the country. 329 00:16:48,593 --> 00:16:52,287 And those networks, they didn't have the same kind of access that people 330 00:16:52,425 --> 00:16:53,736 posting to YouTube did. 331 00:16:53,874 --> 00:16:55,600 I think because of a lack of trust 332 00:16:55,738 --> 00:16:58,327 that the people had in foreign media 333 00:16:58,465 --> 00:17:02,331 and reasonably so, because foreign media had, whether intentionally or not, 334 00:17:02,469 --> 00:17:05,058 had ignored a lot of these issues for a long time. 335 00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:07,060 [crowd screaming] 336 00:17:07,198 --> 00:17:11,133 [interpreter] President Mohamed Hosni Mubarak has decided 337 00:17:11,271 --> 00:17:14,723 to wave the office of the president of the Republic. 338 00:17:14,861 --> 00:17:17,001 [crowd cheering] 339 00:17:17,243 --> 00:17:20,694 [male reporter] A voice which ushered in a social revolution in Egypt 340 00:17:20,832 --> 00:17:23,559 where the most powerful weapon was social networking. 341 00:17:23,697 --> 00:17:25,251 [crowd cheering] 342 00:17:25,389 --> 00:17:27,494 [calm music] 343 00:17:27,701 --> 00:17:30,187 We were able to connect with people all over the world. 344 00:17:30,325 --> 00:17:32,603 We were able to have these conversations that would expose things in our country, 345 00:17:32,741 --> 00:17:35,882 that helped us to understand the connections between 346 00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:38,195 all of our countries and the things that we had in common. 347 00:17:38,678 --> 00:17:40,576 [calm music] 348 00:17:41,198 --> 00:17:42,544 This on? 349 00:17:44,408 --> 00:17:48,205 I'm Fred and... Mom, I'm not using your camera! 350 00:17:49,551 --> 00:17:54,866 [Steve] I think one major change that happened after the acquisition, 351 00:17:55,626 --> 00:17:58,284 what eventually led to this concept of the YouTuber. 352 00:17:58,422 --> 00:18:00,424 -Hey bitches! -What's happening, forum? 353 00:18:00,562 --> 00:18:02,633 Hi, we're the Fine brothers. 354 00:18:02,771 --> 00:18:05,498 For those of you who don't know me, I'm Brookers, and I'm an Internet celebrity. 355 00:18:05,739 --> 00:18:09,847 [woman] He's an international superstar, the most downloaded man on the planet. 356 00:18:10,468 --> 00:18:12,781 You pretty much can stop anyone here and ask them 357 00:18:12,919 --> 00:18:16,819 how they found out about K-pop, they found out on YouTube. 358 00:18:16,957 --> 00:18:18,925 [K-pop music] 359 00:18:19,063 --> 00:18:21,962 [Steve] Korean K-Pop, that's all possible because all of a sudden 360 00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:25,552 you have content that was being created in one part of the world 361 00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:29,729 that just happened to have viewers from the rest of the world. 362 00:18:29,867 --> 00:18:31,627 [upbeat music] 363 00:18:31,765 --> 00:18:32,939 Pow! 364 00:18:33,077 --> 00:18:36,080 You became able to see actual people 365 00:18:36,218 --> 00:18:39,152 living in other parts of the country, other parts of the world. 366 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:41,361 Hi, everyone. [speaking Korean] 367 00:18:41,568 --> 00:18:44,295 ...who were experiencing the same things you were, and maybe, you know, 368 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,815 we're boldly speaking about them in a different set of terms 369 00:18:46,953 --> 00:18:49,266 than you'd been able to access through mainstream media. 370 00:18:49,404 --> 00:18:51,544 I'm back, Black, and ready to lay the facts. 371 00:18:51,682 --> 00:18:54,271 [Jillian] If you're a person of color who's not living in a major city, 372 00:18:54,409 --> 00:18:57,619 who doesn't have connections to other people who look like you, 373 00:18:57,757 --> 00:19:00,208 then YouTube enables you to see people who look like you 374 00:19:00,346 --> 00:19:03,245 who might share your perspective or who might have a totally different perspective. 375 00:19:03,383 --> 00:19:05,730 And so it allows you to see a spectrum of people 376 00:19:05,868 --> 00:19:09,182 who maybe had some of the same features as you, 377 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:10,770 or the same proclivities as you, 378 00:19:10,908 --> 00:19:13,013 but who were engaging in different activities 379 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:15,292 than the people in your own community were. 380 00:19:15,671 --> 00:19:18,329 Y'all are gonna be my best friends. 381 00:19:19,227 --> 00:19:21,021 -Oh, my God! -Oh, my God. 382 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,920 -Oh, my God! -Oh, my God. 383 00:19:23,127 --> 00:19:24,922 [Anthony] It was a couple of years into us 384 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:27,407 doing what we were doing that we ever met anyone else 385 00:19:27,545 --> 00:19:29,237 that created content on YouTube. 386 00:19:29,375 --> 00:19:30,755 -I'm Toby. -Hey everybody. 387 00:19:30,893 --> 00:19:32,067 It's Michael Buck from the What the Buck Show. 388 00:19:32,205 --> 00:19:33,413 What's up? It's Brittani Taylor. 389 00:19:33,551 --> 00:19:35,691 I'm here at VidCon with Josh Rhymer. 390 00:19:36,658 --> 00:19:38,625 [Anthony] And it was such a surreal experience, like, 391 00:19:38,763 --> 00:19:41,110 seeing someone face to face who also had a following, 392 00:19:41,249 --> 00:19:43,147 who understood this world. 393 00:19:43,285 --> 00:19:45,943 'Cause before that, it was really, it was a lot of talk about, like, 394 00:19:46,081 --> 00:19:49,222 how can you use this to get into mainstream media? 395 00:19:49,705 --> 00:19:51,845 Like, New Media wasn't a term, it was like, 396 00:19:51,983 --> 00:19:54,779 YouTube was just a place for trash, is how they saw it. 397 00:19:54,917 --> 00:19:58,369 So get yourself onto Nickelodeon or MTV. 398 00:19:58,507 --> 00:20:00,923 And like, we literally had a meeting with MTV and we pitched 399 00:20:01,061 --> 00:20:04,617 all these ideas and they didn't know what to do with us. 400 00:20:04,755 --> 00:20:06,964 Hey, everyone. Welcome back to my channel. 401 00:20:07,102 --> 00:20:10,070 It's your girl Jackie Aina. If you are new here, welcome. 402 00:20:10,347 --> 00:20:13,004 [Susan] We've really had no gatekeepers that have said, 403 00:20:13,142 --> 00:20:16,284 you know, "Send me your script and I'll decide whether or not we fund you." 404 00:20:16,422 --> 00:20:17,975 We just say, "Hey, post it on YouTube." 405 00:20:18,113 --> 00:20:20,978 Tonight, my guests are two transgender YouTubers 406 00:20:21,116 --> 00:20:22,842 from opposite ends of the political spectrum. 407 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:25,189 But I've brought them here together to engage in 408 00:20:25,327 --> 00:20:27,847 a rational, free-thinking debate about a timeless... 409 00:20:27,985 --> 00:20:31,160 [Natalie Wynn] YouTube is so individual, right? 410 00:20:31,299 --> 00:20:37,305 Generally, video is something that is produced with a big team of people. 411 00:20:38,271 --> 00:20:41,654 [piano music] 412 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,761 It's a very solitary project for me. Like, I write the script, 413 00:20:45,899 --> 00:20:49,213 I'm doing the wardrobe, I'm doing the makeup, I'm setting the camera up, 414 00:20:49,351 --> 00:20:51,629 I'm positioning the lights, I designed the set. 415 00:20:51,767 --> 00:20:53,804 I turned the camera on, I'm sitting in a room alone 416 00:20:53,942 --> 00:20:55,978 talking to the camera, and then I edited it myself. 417 00:20:56,116 --> 00:20:58,774 I mean, it's a very solitary project. 418 00:20:59,913 --> 00:21:02,502 [piano music] 419 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:06,575 [piano music continues] 420 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,026 I don't know, maybe this is a little bit of vanity, 421 00:21:09,164 --> 00:21:11,891 but it's like, it feels like a very personal like, 422 00:21:12,029 --> 00:21:13,893 more like writing a book would feel 423 00:21:14,031 --> 00:21:16,033 than directing a movie, you know? 424 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,864 [piano music] 425 00:21:21,107 --> 00:21:24,317 I think I first uploaded to YouTube in 2007. 426 00:21:24,766 --> 00:21:26,802 And it was a video of me playing the piano. 427 00:21:27,044 --> 00:21:29,357 So YouTube as a website has been in my life 428 00:21:29,495 --> 00:21:31,082 a long time, since I was in high school. 429 00:21:31,220 --> 00:21:33,395 What do I look like to you, some kind of philosopher? 430 00:21:33,533 --> 00:21:34,879 [harp notes] 431 00:21:35,984 --> 00:21:37,951 I majored in philosophy and psychology, 432 00:21:38,089 --> 00:21:40,816 then I started getting a PhD in philosophy, 433 00:21:40,954 --> 00:21:42,749 got two years into that before realizing 434 00:21:42,887 --> 00:21:46,443 "I don't want to be an academic. This does not suit me at all." 435 00:21:46,581 --> 00:21:48,721 Gentlemen of the Academy, 436 00:21:48,859 --> 00:21:54,382 it is my duty to submit to you the findings of my latest mimetic research. 437 00:21:54,830 --> 00:21:58,558 What are traps, and be they gay? 438 00:21:59,145 --> 00:22:02,251 I was using a philosophy background and making arguments, 439 00:22:02,838 --> 00:22:05,634 but I'm also making entertainment. 440 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:08,396 [crowd cheering and cameras clicking] 441 00:22:10,087 --> 00:22:12,538 [male reporter] YouTube celebrities are laughing along with their fans 442 00:22:12,676 --> 00:22:14,643 all the way to the bank. 443 00:22:16,369 --> 00:22:19,199 The last one of you take your hand off this million dollar stack of cash, keeps it. 444 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:22,651 [female interviewer] How do you go from working in a supermarket five years ago 445 00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:24,550 to earning more than 12 million pounds this year? 446 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,587 Part of me is not sure. I just do something that 447 00:22:27,725 --> 00:22:30,625 I absolutely love and put it out there for anyone to watch. 448 00:22:30,763 --> 00:22:33,593 ♪ I don't need money I don't need cars ♪ 449 00:22:33,731 --> 00:22:36,424 ♪ Girl you're my heart ♪ 450 00:22:36,562 --> 00:22:39,634 [Steve] You know, some of the most recognized musician names out there, 451 00:22:39,772 --> 00:22:42,395 they created their content when they were 13, 14 years old, 452 00:22:42,533 --> 00:22:46,434 uploading it as sort of an amateurish piece of content onto YouTube. 453 00:22:46,572 --> 00:22:48,194 What's up guys, my name is Shawn Mendes. 454 00:22:48,332 --> 00:22:50,507 [Steve] And then you fast forward a few years, 455 00:22:50,645 --> 00:22:53,441 and they're performing in front of hundreds of thousands of people. 456 00:22:55,028 --> 00:22:57,065 [crowd screaming] 457 00:22:57,686 --> 00:23:00,102 [female newscaster] It's amazing making money off of YouTube, 458 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,898 and two Sacramento 20-somethings are on that list. 459 00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:07,938 [Anthony] Our channel was one of the first ten channels to ever be monetized. 460 00:23:08,525 --> 00:23:11,700 They said we will give you $10,000 dollars each month if you have 461 00:23:11,838 --> 00:23:13,668 these ads as part of this partnership program. 462 00:23:13,978 --> 00:23:16,705 Obviously, that's a shit ton of money for, 463 00:23:16,843 --> 00:23:19,432 God, we were 19 years old. 464 00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:21,641 [crowd screaming] 465 00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:24,472 [Natalie] In the early days, no one was doing this professionally, 466 00:23:24,610 --> 00:23:26,439 or very few people were. 467 00:23:26,577 --> 00:23:28,441 And if they were doing it, it's because they were making ad money. 468 00:23:28,579 --> 00:23:31,133 -[man] What the heck? -I've never seen a dead person. 469 00:23:31,513 --> 00:23:33,204 - You haven't? -No, bro. 470 00:23:35,034 --> 00:23:37,070 [Natalie] That really affects the kind of content that you can make 471 00:23:37,899 --> 00:23:41,247 Because it incentivizes you to make as much content 472 00:23:41,385 --> 00:23:44,975 that gets as many clicks as possible by any means necessary. 473 00:23:45,113 --> 00:23:47,805 [reporter] For more than a month, Mona Lisa Perez said her boyfriend 474 00:23:47,943 --> 00:23:51,050 had been begging her to launch his YouTube channel with a bang. 475 00:23:51,188 --> 00:23:55,157 I may fail, but if I fail, I wanna die trying. 476 00:23:56,124 --> 00:23:58,678 [Boy] He has a microwave stuck to his head. 477 00:23:58,816 --> 00:24:02,199 I know this sounds like a prank call, but he was trying to film a YouTube video. 478 00:24:02,924 --> 00:24:04,166 [Natalie] It doesn't have to be good. 479 00:24:04,304 --> 00:24:06,134 People don't have to wanna pay for it. 480 00:24:06,997 --> 00:24:09,102 You just have to get eyes on the video. 481 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,623 Dear fat people. Ah! Some people are already really mad at this video. 482 00:24:12,761 --> 00:24:14,349 What are you going to do, fat people? What are you gonna do? 483 00:24:14,487 --> 00:24:15,799 What are you, gonna chase me? 484 00:24:15,937 --> 00:24:17,594 All right, pull up with the gang. 485 00:24:17,732 --> 00:24:20,182 You know, and look at who they offer partnerships to. 486 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,185 No channel grows to hundreds of thousands or millions of followers incidentally. 487 00:24:23,323 --> 00:24:24,842 Be sure to drop a like, hit that subscribe button. 488 00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:26,948 15,000 likes on this video. 489 00:24:27,604 --> 00:24:30,607 [Talia] So much of it is about generating clicks. 490 00:24:30,745 --> 00:24:34,334 Like, it's even rougher than the news clickbait economy 491 00:24:34,473 --> 00:24:38,028 because you sink or swim based on your impressions. 492 00:24:38,166 --> 00:24:39,995 And for a lot of people, it's their sole livelihood, 493 00:24:40,133 --> 00:24:42,722 And so everything is this capital letter, 494 00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:46,346 everything's sort of in bold, and italics, 495 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:47,865 and exclamation points. 496 00:24:48,003 --> 00:24:49,764 We've been getting 50,000 likes 497 00:24:49,902 --> 00:24:51,524 on all of my videos, so go hit that like button. 498 00:24:51,662 --> 00:24:53,630 [soft music] 499 00:24:55,114 --> 00:24:57,254 [music continues] 500 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:01,292 Everything on YouTube changed when 501 00:25:01,430 --> 00:25:04,468 the recommender algorithm was introduced in 2011. 502 00:25:05,089 --> 00:25:07,506 YouTube started rewarding the content that had 503 00:25:07,644 --> 00:25:11,648 the highest click-through rates and the highest watch time. 504 00:25:11,786 --> 00:25:13,581 And like, some kind of combination of that. 505 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,825 [upbeat music] 506 00:25:17,792 --> 00:25:20,553 [Anthony] The algorithm doesn't differentiate between 507 00:25:20,691 --> 00:25:22,969 a positive piece of content that makes you feel good, 508 00:25:23,107 --> 00:25:24,764 walk away with a smile on your face, 509 00:25:24,902 --> 00:25:26,732 versus something that pisses you off 510 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:28,699 and makes you super angry. 511 00:25:28,837 --> 00:25:31,944 In fact, it tends to sway toward the stuff that makes you angry, 512 00:25:32,082 --> 00:25:34,291 because you're more likely to click on other videos 513 00:25:34,947 --> 00:25:37,674 to learn more about this subject that's upsetting you, 514 00:25:37,812 --> 00:25:40,539 you're more likely to respond to a negative thing 515 00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:43,058 that gets under your skin if it's in the comments. 516 00:25:44,094 --> 00:25:47,166 Unless you are sort of seeking out specific content, 517 00:25:47,304 --> 00:25:49,720 what YouTube serves you is sort of a stew of the stuff 518 00:25:49,858 --> 00:25:52,551 that's meant to excite and engage, 519 00:25:52,689 --> 00:25:55,208 you know, whether positively or negatively. 520 00:25:56,037 --> 00:26:01,111 [Anthony] YouTube also didn't want clickbait to be the number one thing 521 00:26:01,249 --> 00:26:02,940 that was dominating the platform. 522 00:26:03,078 --> 00:26:04,770 I think that they cracked down by saying, 523 00:26:04,908 --> 00:26:07,531 "Well, we'll reward whoever sticks around the longest." 524 00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:10,258 So you can't just have that enticing thumbnail and trick people into getting there. 525 00:26:10,396 --> 00:26:14,158 You have to also captivate them and keep them around. 526 00:26:16,091 --> 00:26:20,199 Part of me is scared about what impacts 527 00:26:20,337 --> 00:26:22,719 these algorithms will have on the future 528 00:26:24,203 --> 00:26:27,413 because the algorithm is a beast that really can't be tamed 529 00:26:27,551 --> 00:26:29,760 once it's been unleashed and it's already been unleashed. 530 00:26:29,898 --> 00:26:32,280 We have some really big projects, we got Food Battle, of course, coming up, 531 00:26:32,418 --> 00:26:34,834 we've got some big music videos we're working on. 532 00:26:34,972 --> 00:26:36,491 -Yeah. -We're upping our game. 533 00:26:37,147 --> 00:26:39,114 [Anthony] But it's like, it's an endless loop. 534 00:26:40,875 --> 00:26:42,773 You step away from YouTube for a little while as a content creator 535 00:26:42,911 --> 00:26:44,810 and you feel a little... 536 00:26:45,776 --> 00:26:48,676 pain in your heart. Like, what if people stop... 537 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:50,919 What, are people gonna forget about me 538 00:26:51,057 --> 00:26:52,956 if I take two or three weeks off? 539 00:26:53,094 --> 00:26:54,785 or even a month off, are people...? 540 00:26:54,923 --> 00:26:58,617 Is the algorithm not going to show my content to anyone again? 541 00:26:58,755 --> 00:27:01,171 So the algorithm is controlling the creator in that sense. 542 00:27:01,309 --> 00:27:05,727 It makes you feel obligated to continue your momentum. 543 00:27:05,865 --> 00:27:08,765 You can't break your momentum is kind of the feeling that most people have. 544 00:27:08,903 --> 00:27:10,905 [eerie music] 545 00:27:11,043 --> 00:27:13,562 These platforms are in the engagement business. 546 00:27:13,701 --> 00:27:15,668 At the end of the day, they're giving away their products for free. 547 00:27:15,806 --> 00:27:18,947 And the way they make money is by keeping you on the platform 548 00:27:19,085 --> 00:27:21,501 for as long as possible, extracting data from you, 549 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,711 and delivering ads. 550 00:27:23,849 --> 00:27:26,196 Now Facebook, it's very easy to see the recommendation algorithms. 551 00:27:26,334 --> 00:27:30,372 Your newsfeed is 100% curated for you 552 00:27:30,510 --> 00:27:33,168 to provide you with articles that will keep you 553 00:27:33,306 --> 00:27:35,067 on the platform for as long as possible. 554 00:27:35,205 --> 00:27:37,207 YouTube, it's a little bit less obvious, 555 00:27:37,345 --> 00:27:40,762 But if you look at the viewing patterns on YouTube, 556 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,316 a full 70%, 7-0, 557 00:27:43,454 --> 00:27:46,078 of all YouTube videos that are watched today 558 00:27:46,216 --> 00:27:50,496 are recommended by YouTube through Watch Next, 559 00:27:50,634 --> 00:27:52,912 so the autoplay that is by default on, 560 00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:55,363 and then the Recommended For You panel 561 00:27:55,501 --> 00:27:57,365 and the recommendations on the right hand side. 562 00:27:57,503 --> 00:27:58,918 How's it choosing those? 563 00:27:59,056 --> 00:28:01,541 So of course, part of that algorithm is, 564 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,578 "This is something that is relevant to this." 565 00:28:03,716 --> 00:28:05,407 But some of it is that, 566 00:28:05,545 --> 00:28:07,064 "Look, we know people will click on this, and if you click on it, 567 00:28:07,202 --> 00:28:09,446 I get more data and I get more ads." 568 00:28:10,171 --> 00:28:11,551 And that has led to lots of problems. 569 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,519 The rabbit hole effect, the echo chamber. 570 00:28:13,657 --> 00:28:15,832 So for example, if you go on to YouTube today 571 00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:17,592 you click on moon landing, 572 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:20,112 within a couple of clicks, you will be in La-la Land 573 00:28:20,250 --> 00:28:21,630 talking about conspiracy theories 574 00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:23,840 around that the moon landing is faked. 575 00:28:23,978 --> 00:28:28,810 A full 10% of recommendations were conspiratorial. 576 00:28:28,948 --> 00:28:30,329 That's insane. 577 00:28:30,847 --> 00:28:33,228 Well, I just got kicked out of Starbucks for asking 578 00:28:33,366 --> 00:28:36,438 NASA employee questions because he's lying. 579 00:28:37,957 --> 00:28:41,098 [Hany] So it's not just that these platforms are neutral. 580 00:28:41,236 --> 00:28:43,066 You know, it'd be one thing to say, 581 00:28:43,204 --> 00:28:44,930 "Hey, look, we are sitting back, people can upload videos, 582 00:28:45,068 --> 00:28:46,414 you get to look at what you want." 583 00:28:46,552 --> 00:28:48,278 That's not how these platforms work. 584 00:28:48,416 --> 00:28:51,177 They are choosing to amplify things that engage. 585 00:28:51,315 --> 00:28:54,456 And what we know is that the more conspiratorial, the more hateful, 586 00:28:54,594 --> 00:28:56,320 the more divisive, the more it engages. 587 00:28:56,458 --> 00:28:58,806 Dipshit. And get that camera out of my... 588 00:29:00,393 --> 00:29:03,017 [engine roaring] 589 00:29:06,089 --> 00:29:08,091 [calm music] 590 00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,370 [Caleb Cain] I realized that the Internet was a place 591 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:15,201 where a lot of people describe it as escapism, and I kind of resent that. 592 00:29:15,339 --> 00:29:18,722 Because it's not just that, I had video games for escapism. 593 00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:22,001 I had, you know, going out with my friends for escapism. 594 00:29:22,139 --> 00:29:23,485 But what the Internet had was, 595 00:29:23,796 --> 00:29:25,798 especially in the early days of YouTube, 596 00:29:26,143 --> 00:29:28,180 you could find dissident information, 597 00:29:28,318 --> 00:29:30,872 You could find information on there that was outside the culture. 598 00:29:31,321 --> 00:29:33,944 And the reason that's so important is because you can't see 599 00:29:34,082 --> 00:29:37,430 contradictions in your society unless you get outside the culture. 600 00:29:38,707 --> 00:29:40,951 [calm music] 601 00:29:41,952 --> 00:29:45,784 Suddenly, I could start to see how things in my life weren't working 602 00:29:45,922 --> 00:29:48,890 because I could see what was going on in other places. 603 00:29:49,615 --> 00:29:51,651 It didn't always lead you to the right place. 604 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:55,759 And sometimes the truth comes with a lie and a price tag. 605 00:29:56,587 --> 00:29:59,694 But you had freedom that you never had before, 606 00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:03,008 and that I never experienced in my day-to-day life. 607 00:30:04,250 --> 00:30:07,495 Hi, everybody. My name is Caleb. 608 00:30:09,014 --> 00:30:10,843 You know, welcome to my channel. 609 00:30:12,741 --> 00:30:17,746 So you can probably tell by the description 610 00:30:18,333 --> 00:30:22,027 on the video, in the title, what this is gonna be about. 611 00:30:24,098 --> 00:30:27,273 So I'm just gonna get right into it. 612 00:30:29,137 --> 00:30:34,039 I fell down the alt-right rabbit hole. 613 00:30:34,177 --> 00:30:36,213 So it begins. 614 00:30:36,351 --> 00:30:39,182 You're in a death battle, New World Order. We know. 615 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,149 If I lived in Saudi Arabia, they'd kill me. 616 00:30:41,287 --> 00:30:42,841 If I lived in China, they'd kill me. 617 00:30:42,979 --> 00:30:45,153 You still gotta sell your soul. 618 00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:46,914 You gotta write your name in blood. 619 00:30:47,052 --> 00:30:49,330 [man] Whites are getting fed up, 620 00:30:49,468 --> 00:30:53,023 Whites are getting tired of being disenfranchised and neglected. 621 00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:55,405 Hail our people. Hail victory. 622 00:30:55,543 --> 00:30:57,372 [laughs] 623 00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:59,236 [screams] 624 00:30:59,374 --> 00:31:00,686 [Caleb] Well, at first I was kinda just depressed skimming the web. 625 00:31:00,824 --> 00:31:02,481 But I think at some point, 626 00:31:02,619 --> 00:31:05,380 I had found this video called "God is in the Neurons," 627 00:31:05,518 --> 00:31:08,280 and it was from this YouTuber that I used to watch in high school, 628 00:31:08,418 --> 00:31:10,282 And it gave me this concept that 629 00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:12,422 I could rewire my brain and really self-improve. 630 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,426 [man] Our beliefs have a profound impact on our body chemistry. 631 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:18,911 [Caleb] And that took me to self-help content. 632 00:31:19,049 --> 00:31:21,431 And then the algorithm just started feeding up more self-help content. 633 00:31:21,569 --> 00:31:24,296 There is no such thing as mental illness. 634 00:31:24,572 --> 00:31:26,263 [Caleb] You start with someone like Stefan 635 00:31:26,401 --> 00:31:28,024 because you're looking for self-help. 636 00:31:28,541 --> 00:31:30,509 And so we call that an on-ramp, right? 637 00:31:30,647 --> 00:31:32,994 In the study of extremism, we would call that an on-ramp. 638 00:31:33,132 --> 00:31:36,239 And you go from that self-help, 639 00:31:36,377 --> 00:31:39,311 which has now validated your identity, 640 00:31:39,449 --> 00:31:41,589 it's given you a direction to go, 641 00:31:41,727 --> 00:31:45,800 it's given you an algorithmic list, to use the word a bit ironically, 642 00:31:45,938 --> 00:31:47,215 of things that you have to do. 643 00:31:47,353 --> 00:31:48,803 And I'll tell you what, 644 00:31:48,941 --> 00:31:50,701 people are looking for that in a complicated world 645 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,187 and especially young men are looking for that. 646 00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:56,017 It's now time for the return of men. 647 00:31:57,087 --> 00:32:01,678 [Caleb] It seems that the algorithm would always pull you towards 648 00:32:01,816 --> 00:32:03,369 the more hyperbolic content, 649 00:32:03,507 --> 00:32:05,682 towards the content that was a bit more extreme. 650 00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:09,824 Muslims by the million have been pouring into Europe. 651 00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:12,171 And you can see the terrible problems 652 00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:14,346 that have arisen as a consequence. 653 00:32:14,484 --> 00:32:16,831 [Caleb] And there was an uncomfortability when you went a bit deeper 654 00:32:16,969 --> 00:32:18,557 into this specific ideology, 655 00:32:18,695 --> 00:32:22,216 because not only is it depressing, but it's hateful, 656 00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:24,804 That specific rabbit hole, 657 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:28,774 I feel like what it was truly doing was, it wasn't radicalizing me, 658 00:32:28,912 --> 00:32:33,503 I was already radicalizing because of how my life was going. 659 00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:38,577 But it was killing my empathy. It was turning me into a sociopath. 660 00:32:39,854 --> 00:32:42,615 [insects buzzing] 661 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:52,004 YouTube is now like a Walmart in a town where there's a Walmart 662 00:32:52,142 --> 00:32:54,593 and a Dollar General and a CVS. 663 00:32:54,731 --> 00:32:58,114 Like it's one of the sole organizing destinations. 664 00:32:58,252 --> 00:32:59,632 And in the case of the far right, 665 00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:01,703 and like, right-wing political content, 666 00:33:01,841 --> 00:33:03,326 radicalizing political content, 667 00:33:03,464 --> 00:33:06,501 it's like Walmart having a big old gun aisle. 668 00:33:12,162 --> 00:33:13,784 [Natalie] Well, I think a lot of people 669 00:33:13,922 --> 00:33:16,891 come to YouTube to do commentary, to do politics 670 00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:21,309 because they feel like their perspective is not represented elsewhere. 671 00:33:21,447 --> 00:33:24,071 Words like racist, misogynistic, 672 00:33:24,209 --> 00:33:26,901 and transphobic are not insults, 673 00:33:27,384 --> 00:33:30,284 nor are they stereotypes or generalizations. 674 00:33:30,801 --> 00:33:33,942 Rather, they are facts about the way we are socialized 675 00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:35,737 in a Western society. 676 00:33:35,875 --> 00:33:38,050 I'll be honest with you, if I hate anything about Black culture, 677 00:33:38,188 --> 00:33:41,433 it's that it's such a victim culture, almost a victim cult. 678 00:33:41,985 --> 00:33:44,229 [Natalie] I do think in general that people who feel marginalized 679 00:33:44,367 --> 00:33:47,818 or who feel like they're on the fringe, tend to gather on YouTube. 680 00:33:47,956 --> 00:33:49,372 You don't deserve to get laid. 681 00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:51,339 [Caleb] Then come along the alt right, 682 00:33:51,477 --> 00:33:53,962 and they really took that whole dynamic 683 00:33:54,101 --> 00:33:57,276 and just revolutionized it and innovated it. 684 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:01,108 And then they took many of those Internet nihilists 685 00:34:01,246 --> 00:34:04,766 and they took that radical energy, and they directed it 686 00:34:05,698 --> 00:34:08,736 well, towards dominance, and fear, 687 00:34:08,874 --> 00:34:10,358 and hate, to be honest with you. 688 00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:13,844 [sigh] Well, this is my last video. 689 00:34:15,225 --> 00:34:16,916 It all has to come to this. 690 00:34:17,572 --> 00:34:19,919 You forced me to suffer all my life, 691 00:34:20,334 --> 00:34:22,508 and now I'll make you all suffer. 692 00:34:24,648 --> 00:34:26,995 [female TV host] An angry and psychologically twisted young man whose public rantings 693 00:34:27,134 --> 00:34:29,032 exploded into sheer terror. 694 00:34:29,170 --> 00:34:30,723 [gunshots] 695 00:34:30,861 --> 00:34:32,760 [policeman] Shots fired. Shots fired. 696 00:34:32,898 --> 00:34:35,418 [female TV host] Taking six young lives and injuring 13. 697 00:34:35,556 --> 00:34:37,696 A virgin vowing revenge 698 00:34:37,834 --> 00:34:42,356 in a twisted video he posted Friday, addressed at his perceived enemies, 699 00:34:42,494 --> 00:34:44,737 young women he says rejected him. 700 00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:49,604 You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one, 701 00:34:50,847 --> 00:34:52,676 the true alpha male. 702 00:34:53,712 --> 00:34:57,025 [woman] Aggression, violence and unbridled ambition can't be eliminated 703 00:34:57,164 --> 00:34:58,303 from the male psyche. 704 00:34:58,441 --> 00:35:00,201 They can only be harnessed. 705 00:35:00,339 --> 00:35:02,479 Rape, murder, war. 706 00:35:02,617 --> 00:35:04,481 They all have two things in common. 707 00:35:05,137 --> 00:35:08,244 Bad men who do the raping, murdering and warring, 708 00:35:08,382 --> 00:35:09,900 and weak men who won't stop them. 709 00:35:10,038 --> 00:35:11,833 We need good men who will. 710 00:35:12,696 --> 00:35:14,802 PragerU is an interesting example because 711 00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:17,632 they pitch themselves as an educational channel. 712 00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:21,567 They very much mimic online course stuff, 713 00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:25,537 but what they're feeding you is very, very, quite radical 714 00:35:25,675 --> 00:35:27,263 right wing ideology. 715 00:35:27,401 --> 00:35:29,161 My message has been simple. 716 00:35:29,713 --> 00:35:31,957 Islam is not a religion of peace. 717 00:35:32,751 --> 00:35:35,374 [Talia] I think one of the things to debunk is this idea that 718 00:35:35,512 --> 00:35:37,411 it's solely an algorithm issue. 719 00:35:37,549 --> 00:35:39,896 One big mechanism of radicalization, 720 00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:42,416 it's not just algorithmic, it's very deliberate. 721 00:35:42,554 --> 00:35:47,075 These channels, they build parasocial relationships with their viewers 722 00:35:47,214 --> 00:35:49,526 so they feel a deep connection with you. 723 00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:52,115 I think it's more visceral with video content. 724 00:35:52,253 --> 00:35:54,980 I think it's more intense with video content. 725 00:35:55,118 --> 00:35:58,915 My name is Candace Owens, and you are watching my vlog series. 726 00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:02,436 [Talia] You know, the sort of confessional vlog-y, casual, 727 00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:04,886 "This is my living room, you're looking at me," 728 00:36:05,439 --> 00:36:10,616 kind of style, really, really facilitates that kind of parasocial relationship. 729 00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:13,654 I just wanted to say thank you. I've seen some of the comments. 730 00:36:13,895 --> 00:36:16,450 Some of you are a marvel. You send actual letters. 731 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,073 [Talia] And it's just, like, a Suggested Follows, 732 00:36:19,211 --> 00:36:21,109 And that's its own issue. 733 00:36:21,248 --> 00:36:23,353 Because these are very well-funded channels, 734 00:36:23,491 --> 00:36:25,528 these are big moneymakers. 735 00:36:25,666 --> 00:36:27,875 [Steven Crowder] There are two videos completed here, Louder with Crowder. 736 00:36:28,013 --> 00:36:30,291 This team never would've been able to do, 737 00:36:30,429 --> 00:36:32,155 if not for this man, Kevin, 738 00:36:32,293 --> 00:36:35,469 lending us his personal plane. 739 00:36:36,608 --> 00:36:39,231 [woman] My skin's been pretty good, to be honest. 740 00:36:39,956 --> 00:36:41,647 I think YouTube is a very intimate format. 741 00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:43,339 If you're watching a YouTube video, 742 00:36:43,477 --> 00:36:45,651 people tend to watch it by themselves, 743 00:36:45,789 --> 00:36:47,412 you watch it while you're eating, you watch it while you're going to bed. 744 00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:49,552 You're watching one person talk to you. 745 00:36:49,862 --> 00:36:51,519 There's something very intimate about that. 746 00:36:51,657 --> 00:36:54,212 You feel like you know this person. 747 00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:59,458 It's a little bit uncanny, you know, because they feel that they know me, 748 00:37:00,114 --> 00:37:01,978 but I don't know them. 749 00:37:02,668 --> 00:37:04,532 We've talked about some heavy stuff on this channel. 750 00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:06,258 But I was gonna say, "Oh, it's one of th..." 751 00:37:06,396 --> 00:37:09,710 You know, if someone's broadcasting from their bedroom, 752 00:37:09,848 --> 00:37:12,195 you feel this real sense of intimacy with them, 753 00:37:12,333 --> 00:37:15,474 you feel like you know the intimate details of their lives. 754 00:37:15,612 --> 00:37:20,099 I remember once I had a girlfriend who was not jealous to begin with, 755 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,929 but became kind of jealous, 756 00:37:22,067 --> 00:37:24,483 particularly as I became more successful as an entrepreneur. 757 00:37:24,621 --> 00:37:26,830 She became more jealous and more insecure. 758 00:37:28,694 --> 00:37:30,489 [Becca] And then when they start kind of telling you about their beliefs 759 00:37:30,627 --> 00:37:32,698 and views, that packs a real punch 760 00:37:32,836 --> 00:37:35,908 that other delivery mechanisms wouldn't. 761 00:37:36,046 --> 00:37:39,257 The right are the producers, the makers, and the left are the takers 762 00:37:39,395 --> 00:37:41,845 or those who manage that taking and thereby gain political power 763 00:37:41,983 --> 00:37:45,090 by being able to hand out gifts that they have not earned 764 00:37:45,228 --> 00:37:47,057 but are taking from the makers. 765 00:37:47,575 --> 00:37:51,510 [Becca] And so there's become this kind of cottage industry of 766 00:37:51,648 --> 00:37:56,204 far-right creators on YouTube who take advantage of that 767 00:37:56,343 --> 00:37:57,965 and broadcast to their audiences 768 00:37:58,103 --> 00:38:01,140 and are quite effective at radicalizing them. 769 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:04,799 I'm a weapon. I'm made to be thrown at you. [laughs] 770 00:38:06,387 --> 00:38:09,356 [uplifting music] 771 00:38:12,048 --> 00:38:14,430 Just between you and I, I know the cameras aren't on right now, right? 772 00:38:14,568 --> 00:38:15,845 -Say, "What?" -What? 773 00:38:15,983 --> 00:38:17,536 I know the cameras are not on right now. 774 00:38:17,674 --> 00:38:19,642 -Keep saying, "What"? -What? 775 00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:21,299 [laughs] 776 00:38:21,437 --> 00:38:23,922 [Anthony] Yeah, I mean, it was really hard for me to, 777 00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:26,304 like, even think about where YouTube was going because we're so caught up in it. 778 00:38:26,442 --> 00:38:31,067 But I definitely thought that it was going to replace mainstream media. 779 00:38:31,654 --> 00:38:33,863 All right. Love you guys. Thanks again for supporting. 780 00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:35,554 -Thank you. -Love you. Bye. 781 00:38:35,692 --> 00:38:38,868 I knew that this was going to be the way 782 00:38:39,006 --> 00:38:41,388 that the Internet was going to go. 783 00:38:41,526 --> 00:38:44,149 I've had offers to do a show for Netflix, or for Amazon 784 00:38:44,287 --> 00:38:46,910 or cable TV, or whatever. I always declined them. 785 00:38:47,048 --> 00:38:49,568 Because I don't really see why 786 00:38:49,706 --> 00:38:52,330 I would give up my own creative control, 787 00:38:52,468 --> 00:38:56,817 and this, like, child that I've raised, basically. 788 00:38:56,955 --> 00:38:58,922 you know, I want to keep it. 789 00:38:59,060 --> 00:39:00,821 [saw buzzing] 790 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,791 [Susan] We're a platform that enables creators 791 00:39:05,929 --> 00:39:07,621 who are really next generation media companies. 792 00:39:07,759 --> 00:39:09,381 Welcome back to my channel, everyone. 793 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:11,349 Today I wanna show you guys some life hacks. Now, before... 794 00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:13,558 [Susan] We've seen so many people take their passions, 795 00:39:13,696 --> 00:39:15,145 whether it's about cooking, 796 00:39:15,283 --> 00:39:17,147 woodworking, music, 797 00:39:17,769 --> 00:39:20,150 and turn that into a business and become a creator 798 00:39:20,288 --> 00:39:23,119 and become a global media company on YouTube. 799 00:39:23,257 --> 00:39:25,915 Hello. Hi. How's it going? 800 00:39:26,053 --> 00:39:29,712 I finally got it. I got the 10 million subscriber plaque 801 00:39:29,850 --> 00:39:32,508 But this is special because it represents, like, 802 00:39:32,646 --> 00:39:35,027 how far we have come as a community, 803 00:39:35,165 --> 00:39:38,859 and it represents, you know, how much we have accomplished. 804 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,828 [birds chirping] 805 00:39:44,243 --> 00:39:47,902 [Brianna Wu] What I thought was so amazing about YouTube when it first came out 806 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,905 is it really allowed this hyper-segmentation. 807 00:39:51,492 --> 00:39:55,841 So if you were a gamer that wanted to understand tricks 808 00:39:55,979 --> 00:40:00,398 from an obscure Japanese game from 20 years ago, 809 00:40:00,536 --> 00:40:02,400 [upbeat music] 810 00:40:02,538 --> 00:40:04,919 boom, that exists out there. 811 00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,164 [upbeat music continues] 812 00:40:09,096 --> 00:40:13,583 And it was just this massive explosion. 813 00:40:14,757 --> 00:40:17,691 But I think for me, obviously Gamergate was 814 00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:22,178 when I really realized something was going off course. 815 00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:24,974 [dramatic music] 816 00:40:25,112 --> 00:40:28,874 I had just finished shipping my very first game. 817 00:40:29,012 --> 00:40:32,775 And, you know, getting into a political fight with the Internet 818 00:40:32,913 --> 00:40:34,846 was the last thing I wanted to do. 819 00:40:35,571 --> 00:40:40,230 But people on YouTube had started to come together in a way 820 00:40:40,368 --> 00:40:43,475 to silence women in the game industry 821 00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:47,652 that were starting to ask for more representation, 822 00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:52,035 asking to be higher, asking to be given more opportunity. 823 00:40:52,173 --> 00:40:54,037 [gentle music] 824 00:40:54,313 --> 00:40:57,489 It started out with this kind of Tumblr-style 825 00:40:57,627 --> 00:41:00,043 call-out post about Zoeë Quinn. 826 00:41:00,181 --> 00:41:02,114 [Natalie] I guess her ex-boyfriend accused her 827 00:41:02,252 --> 00:41:04,841 of sleeping with journalists and cheating on him. 828 00:41:04,979 --> 00:41:07,154 And I started to speak out against it. 829 00:41:07,292 --> 00:41:09,674 [calm music] 830 00:41:09,915 --> 00:41:11,572 I was sitting at my home one day, 831 00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:14,333 and I get this really credible 832 00:41:14,713 --> 00:41:18,027 list of death threats that went mega viral on the Internet, 833 00:41:18,165 --> 00:41:20,443 and they are burned into my brain. 834 00:41:20,581 --> 00:41:22,549 [gasps] 835 00:41:22,687 --> 00:41:25,862 "Guess what, bitch, I know where you and your husband live." 836 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,797 They give my address. "You're going to die tonight." 837 00:41:29,935 --> 00:41:33,283 "I'm going to rape you with your husband's 838 00:41:33,421 --> 00:41:35,700 tiny Asian penis until you bleed." 839 00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:38,634 "If you have any children, they're going to die, too." 840 00:41:38,772 --> 00:41:44,053 That was the moment that I decided I wasn't safe at my home. 841 00:41:44,191 --> 00:41:48,609 And I left, and I got the police and the FBI involved. 842 00:41:48,747 --> 00:41:53,614 Brianna Wu is a games developer who says she was forced 843 00:41:53,856 --> 00:41:58,377 to leave her home over the weekend after receiving targeted threats. 844 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,310 She joins me now from Boston. 845 00:42:00,725 --> 00:42:02,416 [Zoeë] Instantly, they dived in to, 846 00:42:02,554 --> 00:42:05,730 "Find where she lives. Find where all these people live. 847 00:42:05,868 --> 00:42:07,179 What are we going to do about her? 848 00:42:07,317 --> 00:42:09,423 Can we hack her e-mail?" Like, instantly? 849 00:42:09,561 --> 00:42:11,114 [mouse clicks] 850 00:42:11,252 --> 00:42:13,945 And then all of these accounts started being made 851 00:42:14,083 --> 00:42:18,225 to talk about really disgusting personal details 852 00:42:18,363 --> 00:42:21,400 and talk about like, make really disgusting sexual comments. 853 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:26,751 And it's the first thing you lose is all perspective. 854 00:42:27,268 --> 00:42:29,754 [soft tense music] 855 00:42:30,271 --> 00:42:32,342 [Brianna] There was an organized effort 856 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,933 to basically do SEO warfare, search engine warfare. 857 00:42:37,071 --> 00:42:38,590 You know this as well as I do. 858 00:42:38,728 --> 00:42:40,488 If I type your name into the Internet, 859 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:44,078 a bunch of YouTube videos are going to be the first thing listed. 860 00:42:44,631 --> 00:42:46,529 So what Gamergate figured out 861 00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:48,842 was that they could gain the SEO 862 00:42:49,394 --> 00:42:51,569 and start putting out these videos, you know, 863 00:42:51,707 --> 00:42:56,228 Brianna Wu is a terrible person for A, B, C, D, and E, 864 00:42:57,264 --> 00:42:59,404 and basically malign my name. 865 00:42:59,542 --> 00:43:03,926 YouTube was a major part of the harassment that I received. 866 00:43:05,065 --> 00:43:07,343 [seagulls squawking] 867 00:43:07,964 --> 00:43:09,483 [horns honking] 868 00:43:09,621 --> 00:43:11,416 [engine revving] 869 00:43:11,554 --> 00:43:13,383 [horns honking] 870 00:43:13,521 --> 00:43:15,558 [Carrie Goldberg] Yeah, I hear that a lot where people are like, 871 00:43:15,696 --> 00:43:18,768 "Listen, the Internet, it's just a mirror on society. 872 00:43:18,906 --> 00:43:21,391 And so why should we be focusing on fixing 873 00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:24,360 the Internet instead of on society? 874 00:43:25,568 --> 00:43:27,018 And the thing is, 875 00:43:27,432 --> 00:43:29,883 that, in my opinion, and my experience 876 00:43:30,021 --> 00:43:33,921 as a lawyer for people who've been fucked over by tech, 877 00:43:34,059 --> 00:43:37,062 is that it is itself the weapon. 878 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,650 The Internet has created this, like, 879 00:43:38,788 --> 00:43:41,342 really convenient mechanism to harm. 880 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,829 and the platforms are making, just like they're minting money off of it. 881 00:43:44,967 --> 00:43:48,522 And so I don't agree that it is just a reflection of society. 882 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:50,351 It's changed society. 883 00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:55,149 [dramatic music] 884 00:43:57,842 --> 00:43:59,775 The thing about the algorithm is 885 00:43:59,913 --> 00:44:01,777 what they're recommending is a harm. 886 00:44:01,915 --> 00:44:05,090 Their lust for hijacking people's attention 887 00:44:05,228 --> 00:44:06,713 is an additional harm. 888 00:44:06,851 --> 00:44:10,130 The other issue of them publishing content 889 00:44:10,268 --> 00:44:13,823 that is itself harmful, that they're not removing. 890 00:44:13,961 --> 00:44:16,308 [Norah O'Donnell] We begin with breaking news in Virginia. 891 00:44:16,446 --> 00:44:19,622 A gunman opened fire during a live TV news interview. 892 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,420 A reporter and photographer with our CBS affiliate WDBJ 893 00:44:24,558 --> 00:44:26,146 in Roanoke were killed. 894 00:44:26,353 --> 00:44:28,838 [male reporter] Andy Parker couldn't get video 895 00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:33,015 of his daughter's murder off of Google's YouTube. 896 00:44:34,948 --> 00:44:37,019 [soft tense music] 897 00:44:38,986 --> 00:44:41,230 [birds chirping] 898 00:44:42,472 --> 00:44:46,511 [Andy] I went to YouTube, typed in Alison Parker, 899 00:44:46,891 --> 00:44:50,273 and literally there were pages and pages and pages. 900 00:44:50,411 --> 00:44:55,002 There must have been 25 to 50 pages of, you know, 901 00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,660 thankfully it didn't autoplay, but you knew what it was. 902 00:44:57,798 --> 00:45:00,628 And in the titles of it, a lot of it was, 903 00:45:00,767 --> 00:45:02,354 "See, the whole thing was fake." 904 00:45:02,492 --> 00:45:05,185 You know, it was, like, one thing after another. 905 00:45:06,151 --> 00:45:10,362 It's not like you can just call up Google customer service and go, 906 00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:12,537 "Hey, you know, I got a problem here." 907 00:45:12,675 --> 00:45:14,919 [soft tense music] 908 00:45:16,852 --> 00:45:18,888 [Susan] Well, we've invested a huge amount in the area of responsibility. 909 00:45:19,026 --> 00:45:22,720 We also have thousands of people who help us with the enforcement. 910 00:45:22,858 --> 00:45:26,931 We have machines that remove, you know, 911 00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:31,314 almost 90% of the videos before anyone has to see them. 912 00:45:31,452 --> 00:45:34,007 So we have a huge initiative across the board 913 00:45:34,145 --> 00:45:36,078 to make sure that we're staying current in terms 914 00:45:36,216 --> 00:45:40,013 of the creation of the policies as well as the enforcement 915 00:45:40,151 --> 00:45:41,669 of those policies to find those videos 916 00:45:41,808 --> 00:45:44,569 as quickly as possible, and make sure they're removed. 917 00:45:45,225 --> 00:45:49,781 If you need me to work on the op papers, 918 00:45:49,919 --> 00:45:51,610 I'm free and available. 919 00:45:53,267 --> 00:45:55,200 It just makes me feel like individuals don't stand a chance. 920 00:45:55,649 --> 00:45:56,961 You've got this like, 921 00:45:57,099 --> 00:45:58,963 multi-billion dollar company that's saying, 922 00:45:59,722 --> 00:46:01,620 you know, that's just like lording over, like, 923 00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:05,763 ownership of your dead daughter's murder video over you, 924 00:46:05,901 --> 00:46:09,421 that are saying, "We're not going to take it down because, 925 00:46:09,836 --> 00:46:12,597 you know, like, you aren't the copyright holder of it. 926 00:46:12,735 --> 00:46:16,774 And even though our terms of service says that we ban 927 00:46:16,912 --> 00:46:18,948 this kind of violent imagery, 928 00:46:19,397 --> 00:46:22,089 we don't have the legal requirement 929 00:46:22,227 --> 00:46:23,850 to even enforce our terms of service. 930 00:46:23,988 --> 00:46:26,404 Like, you can't make us do anything." 931 00:46:27,129 --> 00:46:29,510 We have kind of a mantra of don't be evil, 932 00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:34,032 which is to do the best things that we know how for our users, 933 00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:36,724 for our customers and for everyone. 934 00:46:37,001 --> 00:46:39,003 And so, I think if we were known for that, 935 00:46:39,141 --> 00:46:40,832 it would be a wonderful thing. 936 00:46:42,661 --> 00:46:44,525 [Larry] When Google, the two founders said, 937 00:46:44,974 --> 00:46:46,942 "Our motto is don't be evil." 938 00:46:47,183 --> 00:46:48,460 And for a while they weren't. 939 00:46:48,598 --> 00:46:51,222 But now they are the personification of evil, 940 00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:53,155 and they don't care. 941 00:46:54,328 --> 00:46:56,330 You can flag this stuff, and then 942 00:46:56,468 --> 00:46:59,092 you can make that go away, but then something else will pop up. 943 00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:04,028 That's why I said we have to go after the great white whale, Google. 944 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,135 [soft piano music] 945 00:47:11,345 --> 00:47:12,933 So YouTube likes to say 946 00:47:13,071 --> 00:47:16,212 it's a completely different company from Google. 947 00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:18,456 What's your opinion about that? 948 00:47:18,594 --> 00:47:21,114 My experience is the two have always been 949 00:47:21,252 --> 00:47:24,565 treated as synonymous in every interaction 950 00:47:24,703 --> 00:47:26,533 I've ever had at Google. 951 00:47:26,671 --> 00:47:29,225 I can tell you the impression I've gotten is that these products 952 00:47:29,363 --> 00:47:31,400 are kind of all under one umbrella. 953 00:47:31,538 --> 00:47:34,610 I realize it's more complicated than that when you get to, 954 00:47:34,748 --> 00:47:36,854 you know, product managers and who owns what, 955 00:47:36,992 --> 00:47:41,582 but, I personally don't find that excuse credible. 956 00:47:42,756 --> 00:47:44,516 [tense music] 957 00:47:45,172 --> 00:47:49,314 I think that Google has really been far ahead of the game 958 00:47:49,452 --> 00:47:52,386 from its competitors in terms of anticipating 959 00:47:52,524 --> 00:47:54,837 these legislative fights. 960 00:47:54,975 --> 00:47:56,943 [Alan Davidson] We've realized that we need to have a larger presence here, 961 00:47:57,081 --> 00:48:02,327 that the Internet is affecting a lot of how people live today. 962 00:48:02,465 --> 00:48:05,503 And we need, our industry needs to be here 963 00:48:05,641 --> 00:48:08,023 to help explain that to members of Congress. 964 00:48:08,851 --> 00:48:10,715 [Nitasha] You know, the company has spent more than a decade 965 00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:14,650 kind of cultivating politicians on the right, on the center. 966 00:48:14,788 --> 00:48:17,825 If you look at pretty much any policy decision where 967 00:48:17,964 --> 00:48:20,276 Google could potentially be impacted, you know, 968 00:48:20,414 --> 00:48:22,761 sometimes I think about it as like a big circle, 969 00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:24,832 and you know, you have the left and the right, 970 00:48:24,971 --> 00:48:26,662 and Google has given money 971 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,079 to just everyone involved in the debates. [laughs] 972 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:32,185 [Eric Schmidt] Google's mission is to connect the world, 973 00:48:32,323 --> 00:48:33,945 right, to get all that information out. 974 00:48:34,083 --> 00:48:37,569 We want a free open Internet for every citizen of the world. 975 00:48:38,674 --> 00:48:40,262 [somber music] 976 00:48:40,572 --> 00:48:42,885 [male] Leaders in government and tech want to rewrite 977 00:48:43,023 --> 00:48:44,749 a law that shapes the Internet. 978 00:48:45,612 --> 00:48:48,891 Why we're sitting here today, it's Section 230. 979 00:48:49,512 --> 00:48:51,135 Because there's only so much you can do. 980 00:48:51,273 --> 00:48:54,138 We filed a complaint with the FTC 981 00:48:54,621 --> 00:48:58,694 claiming that Google violates their own terms of service, 982 00:48:59,005 --> 00:49:00,696 which they do, and they don't care. 983 00:49:00,834 --> 00:49:02,905 [somber music] 984 00:49:03,733 --> 00:49:05,735 There's the Communications Decency Act, 985 00:49:05,873 --> 00:49:08,807 Section 230, which completely protects 986 00:49:08,946 --> 00:49:11,327 the websites, the search engines 987 00:49:11,465 --> 00:49:14,882 from any responsibility to users. 988 00:49:16,332 --> 00:49:21,544 When they talk about kind of maximizing speech on their platform, 989 00:49:21,682 --> 00:49:25,997 that also means maximizing monetizable content for them. 990 00:49:26,377 --> 00:49:27,826 With Section 230, 991 00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:30,174 what it means is that they can do that without 992 00:49:30,312 --> 00:49:33,591 any real legal responsibility for what happens on the platform. 993 00:49:35,731 --> 00:49:37,975 Section 230 has two key components. 994 00:49:38,113 --> 00:49:40,667 So, one of them is that it gives us, 995 00:49:40,805 --> 00:49:44,153 protection from liability from content that's posted on our platform. 996 00:49:44,291 --> 00:49:47,950 But the second is that it enables us also to remove content 997 00:49:48,088 --> 00:49:50,228 that could be harmful to our community. 998 00:49:51,712 --> 00:49:54,439 But I think now, 20 plus years on, 999 00:49:54,577 --> 00:49:56,890 we have to look at 230 and say, "Look, guys, 1000 00:49:57,028 --> 00:50:00,238 230 made sense when you thought about 1001 00:50:00,376 --> 00:50:02,551 platforms as neutral platforms." 1002 00:50:03,034 --> 00:50:06,003 [man] Listen, Operator, it's a very private call. 1003 00:50:06,141 --> 00:50:07,866 Now, you're not going to be listening, are you? 1004 00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:10,386 [operator] Well, I won't even be on the line. Just... 1005 00:50:10,524 --> 00:50:12,975 [man] You're going to get off the line as soon as I get the party, right? 1006 00:50:13,113 --> 00:50:15,115 - Right. There will be no one on the line. - Okay. 1007 00:50:15,702 --> 00:50:17,566 [Hany] It's like the wire on the telephone, right? 1008 00:50:17,704 --> 00:50:19,395 I'm just creating a mechanism for people to communicate. 1009 00:50:19,637 --> 00:50:21,121 If they're planning to commit a crime, 1010 00:50:21,259 --> 00:50:23,123 you can't hold AT&T responsible. 1011 00:50:23,261 --> 00:50:24,814 Well, sure, that makes sense. 1012 00:50:25,505 --> 00:50:27,541 But that's not what social media is anymore, 1013 00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:30,027 and it hasn't been for a really long time. 1014 00:50:30,441 --> 00:50:33,271 They are not a neutral arbiter 1015 00:50:33,409 --> 00:50:36,723 of the material that is uploaded to their sites. 1016 00:50:36,861 --> 00:50:39,174 They pick and choose the winners and the losers 1017 00:50:39,312 --> 00:50:40,934 through the recommendation algorithms. 1018 00:50:41,762 --> 00:50:43,488 Yeah, it raises a lot of questions like 1019 00:50:43,626 --> 00:50:46,077 is kicking someone off Twitter censorship? 1020 00:50:48,148 --> 00:50:51,462 Are we okay with that? Like, I think that, you know, 1021 00:50:52,152 --> 00:50:54,085 a kind of obvious response is to say that, 1022 00:50:54,223 --> 00:50:58,641 "No, the First Amendment protects speech, protects from the government, 1023 00:50:58,952 --> 00:51:03,681 doesn't give corporations an obligation to host your content." 1024 00:51:03,819 --> 00:51:08,858 If there is no Section 230, there is no free speech, period. 1025 00:51:08,996 --> 00:51:13,035 I think we need to be tremendously skeptical 1026 00:51:13,346 --> 00:51:15,831 and careful in tearing this up, 1027 00:51:15,969 --> 00:51:18,489 because it is the foundation of the Internet. 1028 00:51:19,214 --> 00:51:22,872 That said, I do think that we can look at amending it 1029 00:51:23,114 --> 00:51:26,324 and changing it and updating it in different ways. 1030 00:51:27,705 --> 00:51:31,226 [Carrie] They don't see us as important, we're not their actual customers. 1031 00:51:31,364 --> 00:51:33,366 We're just their money makers. 1032 00:51:33,504 --> 00:51:36,472 They advertise at us. They collect our data. 1033 00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:39,510 If there's content that we want down 1034 00:51:39,648 --> 00:51:41,374 because we own the copyright as an individual, 1035 00:51:41,512 --> 00:51:43,410 that is not meaningful to them. 1036 00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:47,725 This week, I got myself a death threat. 1037 00:51:47,863 --> 00:51:50,624 This is messed up stuff that people are saying, 1038 00:51:50,762 --> 00:51:52,937 [sobs] Like, people telling me to hang myself, 1039 00:51:53,075 --> 00:51:55,940 people just, like, blatantly disrespecting the fact that 1040 00:51:56,078 --> 00:51:59,944 I'm still a human being is not okay at all. [sobs] 1041 00:52:00,358 --> 00:52:02,291 I'm kind of simplistic in this, 1042 00:52:02,429 --> 00:52:05,536 it all goes back to us having the right 1043 00:52:05,674 --> 00:52:07,814 to sue if we're injured. Because most people, 1044 00:52:07,952 --> 00:52:10,817 like, most of the time on these websites, 1045 00:52:10,955 --> 00:52:12,750 are not injured. 1046 00:52:12,888 --> 00:52:14,269 When I told him to leave me alone and asked if he had a knife, 1047 00:52:14,407 --> 00:52:16,063 he didn't respond. And when I... 1048 00:52:16,202 --> 00:52:18,583 [Carrie] But the rare occasion when somebody is, 1049 00:52:18,721 --> 00:52:20,965 which on scale is a lot of people... 1050 00:52:21,103 --> 00:52:24,348 You are an ugly, untalented, fat [bleep] [laughs] 1051 00:52:24,934 --> 00:52:27,282 [Carrie] ...we need to be able to hold them responsible. 1052 00:52:27,799 --> 00:52:33,391 The algorithm, it really fostered this community of videos that 1053 00:52:33,771 --> 00:52:37,292 people would kind of love to watch because they loved 1054 00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:38,879 to hate the thing that was in there. 1055 00:52:39,017 --> 00:52:41,330 They'd be like, "Yeah, that person fucking sucks." 1056 00:52:41,468 --> 00:52:44,230 And I think it's time we take a look at what canceling really is. 1057 00:52:44,368 --> 00:52:47,612 I am so used to reading mean things about myself online. 1058 00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:52,099 Most of you probably can't even begin to imagine how used to it I am. 1059 00:52:52,238 --> 00:52:54,101 [gong clangs] 1060 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,382 It was just kind of driving this community of, like, pent up rage. 1061 00:52:59,245 --> 00:53:02,696 [music building] 1062 00:53:05,251 --> 00:53:07,943 [somber music] 1063 00:53:12,223 --> 00:53:14,501 [music continues] 1064 00:53:15,813 --> 00:53:17,780 [man] So YouTube has set up spaces 1065 00:53:17,918 --> 00:53:20,127 around the world where YouTube creators can go 1066 00:53:20,266 --> 00:53:22,302 and create their own videos. 1067 00:53:23,407 --> 00:53:24,718 [Susan] We're a video-first platform 1068 00:53:24,856 --> 00:53:27,031 and everything we do is about video 1069 00:53:27,169 --> 00:53:30,448 enabling new content creators to come onto 1070 00:53:30,586 --> 00:53:32,347 the platform and to be successful. 1071 00:53:32,485 --> 00:53:35,660 And so I expect us to continue to really focus on the video. 1072 00:53:35,798 --> 00:53:37,352 I think technology will, of course, 1073 00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:39,526 will continue to change how we communicate 1074 00:53:39,664 --> 00:53:41,528 and the content that we see. 1075 00:53:41,666 --> 00:53:44,669 But YouTube will stay focused on video. 1076 00:53:45,981 --> 00:53:49,018 [mouse clicks] 1077 00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:53,230 [Anthony] They want growth. Growth. Growth. Everything's about growth. 1078 00:53:54,023 --> 00:53:56,198 There's so much content on YouTube right now 1079 00:53:56,336 --> 00:53:59,028 that it's completely overwhelming to ever seek stuff out. 1080 00:53:59,166 --> 00:54:01,168 You're not just going into a search bar looking for things, 1081 00:54:01,307 --> 00:54:03,999 you're clicking on what's being presented to you. 1082 00:54:05,276 --> 00:54:07,865 So I think that YouTube is going to have to get to a point 1083 00:54:08,003 --> 00:54:10,247 where they make people feel safe to be on the platform. 1084 00:54:10,868 --> 00:54:13,284 But then also, they're having to tread 1085 00:54:13,422 --> 00:54:16,736 really murky territory where they can't be kind of, like, 1086 00:54:16,874 --> 00:54:19,670 the arbiters of truth in the sense that they choose 1087 00:54:19,808 --> 00:54:21,672 what is to be believed. 1088 00:54:22,466 --> 00:54:24,847 [crowd cheering] 1089 00:54:27,885 --> 00:54:29,887 [crowd cheering] 1090 00:54:30,474 --> 00:54:34,443 I'm going to fight to bring us all together as Americans. 1091 00:54:34,581 --> 00:54:36,273 We're living in a divided country, 1092 00:54:36,411 --> 00:54:37,550 it's not going to be divided. 1093 00:54:37,688 --> 00:54:39,276 We're going to love everybody 1094 00:54:39,414 --> 00:54:41,105 like we love the people in this room. 1095 00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:45,074 Specifically, YouTube, the algorithm was really rewarding 1096 00:54:45,212 --> 00:54:48,526 the stuff that would get people up in arms and feeling 1097 00:54:48,664 --> 00:54:51,564 like they had to fight against something for a cause. 1098 00:54:52,461 --> 00:54:56,465 America was built by and for 1099 00:54:56,603 --> 00:54:59,157 the white Christian people of this nation. 1100 00:54:59,296 --> 00:55:00,849 [crowd screaming] 1101 00:55:00,987 --> 00:55:03,748 [Anthony] And politically, that was a huge drive. 1102 00:55:03,886 --> 00:55:06,061 I know that having what felt 1103 00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:09,582 like good versus evil, really gave people a reason 1104 00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,170 to keep clicking on more and more of those videos. 1105 00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:15,726 So leading up to the 2016 election. 1106 00:55:16,243 --> 00:55:19,143 [male reporter] Donald Trump will be the 45th 1107 00:55:19,281 --> 00:55:21,525 President of the United States. 1108 00:55:21,663 --> 00:55:23,527 [man] We have to get better at listening to each other, 1109 00:55:23,665 --> 00:55:26,771 and challenging each other constructively and generously. 1110 00:55:26,909 --> 00:55:28,601 But I worry that the very architecture 1111 00:55:28,739 --> 00:55:31,189 of the social Internet might make that impossible. 1112 00:55:32,156 --> 00:55:33,916 [male reporter] In the week or so since the election, 1113 00:55:34,054 --> 00:55:37,057 there has been mounting criticism of whether web giants 1114 00:55:37,195 --> 00:55:40,820 like Facebook and Google used enough discretion 1115 00:55:40,958 --> 00:55:44,824 and editorial responsibility in screening out fake news sites. 1116 00:55:46,791 --> 00:55:48,517 Comet pizza. Here we go. 1117 00:55:48,655 --> 00:55:50,726 [male reporter] According to police, 1118 00:55:50,864 --> 00:55:53,453 Welch said that he had read online that the Comet Ping Pong restaurant 1119 00:55:53,591 --> 00:55:55,179 was harboring child sex slaves. 1120 00:55:55,317 --> 00:56:00,909 Tell me why this pizza place isn't even open at noon. 1121 00:56:01,047 --> 00:56:03,152 [gentle music] 1122 00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:05,845 [male reporter] DC police say Welch fired at least one round 1123 00:56:05,983 --> 00:56:09,918 into the restaurant floor with an AR-15 rifle like this one. 1124 00:56:10,643 --> 00:56:13,577 [emotional music] 1125 00:56:14,301 --> 00:56:16,752 [music continues] 1126 00:56:17,753 --> 00:56:19,237 [Dave Lauer] There must not be a tipping point 1127 00:56:19,376 --> 00:56:22,102 because there is no doubt that YouTube bore 1128 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:26,866 a huge responsibility for the spread of misinformation in 2016. 1129 00:56:27,004 --> 00:56:30,007 [Paul Joseph Watson] One expert told me that Hillary has 1130 00:56:30,145 --> 00:56:33,873 high functioning autism with attendant sociopathy. 1131 00:56:34,011 --> 00:56:35,495 [crowd screaming] 1132 00:56:35,771 --> 00:56:39,050 [Dave] Now we're in the sort of misinformation apocalypse. 1133 00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:43,089 [chanting angrily] 1134 00:56:44,815 --> 00:56:46,541 I think there's blame on both sides. 1135 00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:48,094 [crowd yelling] 1136 00:56:48,232 --> 00:56:50,924 What started off as this niche field 1137 00:56:51,062 --> 00:56:54,134 in the burgeoning digital revolution, turned into the, 1138 00:56:54,272 --> 00:56:59,864 "Crap, everything I read, see, hear online is now suspect." 1139 00:57:00,002 --> 00:57:01,728 Everything we're seeing in the news right now 1140 00:57:01,866 --> 00:57:04,559 is just insane, fake news garbage. 1141 00:57:04,697 --> 00:57:06,768 If the Proud Boys are left alone 1142 00:57:06,906 --> 00:57:08,528 to do their thing, they wave little American flags, 1143 00:57:08,666 --> 00:57:11,048 and then go to the bar to have a drink, and nothing happens. 1144 00:57:11,186 --> 00:57:13,809 -You are fake news. Go ahead. -[Reporter] Sir, can you... 1145 00:57:13,947 --> 00:57:16,018 [Brianna] There were people at YouTube 1146 00:57:16,156 --> 00:57:20,057 that were aware that the tools that they built were being misused. 1147 00:57:20,747 --> 00:57:23,232 So they started to put together 1148 00:57:23,681 --> 00:57:25,649 basically task forces, 1149 00:57:26,546 --> 00:57:29,411 looking at the problem, talking to women like me, 1150 00:57:29,549 --> 00:57:32,759 getting our experiences and doing what Google does, 1151 00:57:32,897 --> 00:57:36,591 which is talking to experts and trying to come up with concrete, 1152 00:57:36,729 --> 00:57:41,112 realistic things they can implement to solve the problem. 1153 00:57:42,286 --> 00:57:44,875 Unfortunately, despite participating 1154 00:57:45,013 --> 00:57:46,980 in three of these task forces, 1155 00:57:47,118 --> 00:57:49,466 none of them were successful in getting 1156 00:57:49,604 --> 00:57:51,502 Google to change their policy. 1157 00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:54,194 My name's Anthony Padilla, 1158 00:57:54,332 --> 00:57:56,403 and today I'll be spending a day with Susan Wojcicki, 1159 00:57:56,542 --> 00:57:58,060 the CEO of YouTube, 1160 00:57:58,198 --> 00:58:00,269 who began as one of Google's first employees. 1161 00:58:00,407 --> 00:58:02,582 If there's anyone in the comments right now angrily 1162 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,274 claiming that you, Susan, are the key reason 1163 00:58:05,412 --> 00:58:07,345 that YouTube isn't the way they wish it were, 1164 00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:09,140 what would you say to them? 1165 00:58:09,278 --> 00:58:11,902 It's much more complicated. [laughs] It's not just me. 1166 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,248 You're not going to blame someone else? 1167 00:58:13,386 --> 00:58:14,836 [both laugh] 1168 00:58:14,974 --> 00:58:16,872 I'll take ultimately responsibility for everything. 1169 00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:18,978 But it has to do with the fact 1170 00:58:19,116 --> 00:58:22,499 that these issues are much more complex than people understand, 1171 00:58:22,637 --> 00:58:24,708 that maybe the changes that we implemented, 1172 00:58:24,846 --> 00:58:27,849 for example, are due to regulation or they're due because 1173 00:58:27,987 --> 00:58:30,472 these changes we've done will enable more advertisers 1174 00:58:30,610 --> 00:58:32,439 to come and spend more revenue 1175 00:58:32,578 --> 00:58:34,545 with YouTube creators. 1176 00:58:34,683 --> 00:58:36,720 I haven't been there for 1177 00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:39,170 close to a decade now. 1178 00:58:39,377 --> 00:58:42,139 But I still think that the decisions that 1179 00:58:42,277 --> 00:58:46,384 they make are often prioritized by what the end user wants, 1180 00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:49,560 not necessarily by, you know, quarterly earnings, 1181 00:58:49,698 --> 00:58:52,563 or quarterly, financial side of things. 1182 00:58:53,426 --> 00:58:56,463 If they wanted to, there's a lot of opportunity 1183 00:58:56,602 --> 00:58:58,155 to be able to monetize, 1184 00:58:58,293 --> 00:59:01,572 but it would be at the cost of the end user experience. 1185 00:59:05,058 --> 00:59:08,027 They are obligated to maximize shareholder value. 1186 00:59:08,303 --> 00:59:10,374 If they don't do that, they are exposed 1187 00:59:10,512 --> 00:59:11,789 to liability and lawsuits. 1188 00:59:12,100 --> 00:59:14,309 When that's your incentive 1189 00:59:14,447 --> 00:59:17,830 and you don't have liability for the content on your system, 1190 00:59:18,209 --> 00:59:20,729 it leads to some very perverse incentives, 1191 00:59:20,867 --> 00:59:24,077 such as building machine learning systems 1192 00:59:24,215 --> 00:59:26,493 and algorithms that attempt 1193 00:59:26,632 --> 00:59:30,670 to capture people's attention, addict them to content 1194 00:59:30,808 --> 00:59:32,292 and keep them on your site, 1195 00:59:32,430 --> 00:59:34,778 so that you can show them more advertising, 1196 00:59:34,916 --> 00:59:36,642 because that's how you make your money. 1197 00:59:37,953 --> 00:59:40,128 Well, I would just disagree with that point of view. 1198 00:59:40,266 --> 00:59:42,130 And the reason I would is because 1199 00:59:42,268 --> 00:59:46,134 when there is any kind of harmful misinformation, 1200 00:59:46,272 --> 00:59:48,343 that is bad for us and bad for our business 1201 00:59:48,481 --> 00:59:51,380 and bad for us financially and doesn't work with our business model. 1202 00:59:51,518 --> 00:59:54,211 We are an advertising supported platform, 1203 00:59:54,349 --> 00:59:57,766 so no advertiser is going to want to be on that type of content. 1204 00:59:58,353 --> 01:00:00,769 And we have seen advertisers pull back their spend 1205 01:00:01,045 --> 01:00:03,738 when they see that we're not managing our platform 1206 01:00:03,876 --> 01:00:06,223 to keep our users and community safe. 1207 01:00:06,361 --> 01:00:10,020 That reason, along with wanting to be on the right side of history, 1208 01:00:10,158 --> 01:00:11,711 wanting to do the right thing from a brand, 1209 01:00:11,849 --> 01:00:13,886 from a PR, from our employee standpoint, 1210 01:00:14,024 --> 01:00:16,785 from just thinking about what's the right thing to do 1211 01:00:16,923 --> 01:00:18,787 for our users in our communities. 1212 01:00:19,512 --> 01:00:22,239 [upbeat music] 1213 01:00:24,379 --> 01:00:27,382 [applause] 1214 01:00:28,659 --> 01:00:30,419 [Robert Kyncl] Digital video is exploding. 1215 01:00:30,868 --> 01:00:32,905 Already the youngest millennials are watching 1216 01:00:33,043 --> 01:00:35,528 more digital video than TV. 1217 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,394 And in fact, it has overtaken social media 1218 01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:41,879 as the top online activity. 1219 01:00:42,466 --> 01:00:45,020 If you were to ask college students, 1220 01:00:45,158 --> 01:00:47,678 "What do you wanna bring when you have a small dormitory? 1221 01:00:47,816 --> 01:00:50,301 Do you want to bring a sort of a laptop 1222 01:00:50,716 --> 01:00:51,993 that you can watch YouTube, 1223 01:00:52,131 --> 01:00:55,030 or do you want to bring a plasma TV?" 1224 01:00:55,617 --> 01:00:58,137 It's always going to be the laptop 1225 01:00:58,275 --> 01:01:00,691 with how many things that you can do with it. 1226 01:01:01,761 --> 01:01:03,936 [calm music] 1227 01:01:07,387 --> 01:01:09,838 [waves crashing] 1228 01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:14,947 [Ryan Kaji] It started when I was three. 1229 01:01:15,085 --> 01:01:17,121 I was seeing a lot of other people on YouTube 1230 01:01:17,259 --> 01:01:19,158 and I wanted to be on YouTube too. 1231 01:01:19,296 --> 01:01:20,918 [kids yelling] 1232 01:01:21,056 --> 01:01:24,197 So I asked my mom and she said yes. 1233 01:01:24,335 --> 01:01:26,959 [Loan Kaji] Okay, Ryan, are you ready to find the egg surprise? 1234 01:01:27,097 --> 01:01:28,685 Ready? Go, go, go. 1235 01:01:29,168 --> 01:01:30,721 [Jared Reed] This kid, Ryan, who's on the top 1236 01:01:30,859 --> 01:01:35,277 of the Forbes list, he earned $22 million this year. 1237 01:01:35,761 --> 01:01:38,004 -[Loan] Whoa! -Whoa. 1238 01:01:38,142 --> 01:01:41,559 [reporter] He has more than 12 billion views on his YouTube page. 1239 01:01:41,698 --> 01:01:43,320 If you have children, you know him. 1240 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:45,356 -[Loan] Ryan? -What? 1241 01:01:45,494 --> 01:01:47,117 -I have a surprise for you. -What? 1242 01:01:47,324 --> 01:01:49,809 -Look, look over here. -Whoa! 1243 01:01:50,465 --> 01:01:52,605 [Loan] And you don't need much to get started on YouTube. 1244 01:01:52,743 --> 01:01:55,953 I started filming with just my phone. 1245 01:01:56,091 --> 01:01:57,610 -Hi Ryan! -Hi Mommy. 1246 01:01:57,990 --> 01:02:00,026 And I still use it to this day. 1247 01:02:00,268 --> 01:02:03,340 And, you know, when I started to do more research, 1248 01:02:03,754 --> 01:02:06,688 I didn't even know, like, what is a green screen 1249 01:02:06,826 --> 01:02:08,000 when I started doing research. 1250 01:02:08,138 --> 01:02:09,898 We couldn't afford a green screen. 1251 01:02:11,348 --> 01:02:15,179 We just happened to have a tablecloth that was green. 1252 01:02:15,628 --> 01:02:17,975 And we're like, "Hey, we can make this work." 1253 01:02:18,113 --> 01:02:20,046 And that's what we use. 1254 01:02:21,738 --> 01:02:23,360 [Shion Kaji] Definitely after four months, we started the channel, 1255 01:02:23,498 --> 01:02:25,845 we started seeing the tipping point in the viewership. 1256 01:02:25,983 --> 01:02:28,606 We started seeing views from, 1257 01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:31,886 India, East Asia, all around the world. 1258 01:02:32,024 --> 01:02:33,577 Okay, guys, let's open up 1259 01:02:33,715 --> 01:02:36,269 the Ryan's World World Tour Globe. 1260 01:02:37,374 --> 01:02:39,652 [Shion] Around the same time, we started our own channel 1261 01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:41,930 and I think that timing really matched so well. 1262 01:02:42,206 --> 01:02:44,450 Which one? Which one? The purple one? 1263 01:02:46,210 --> 01:02:48,523 Are you sure you can do this? Oh, good job! 1264 01:02:48,661 --> 01:02:50,525 [Loan] The most important thing we tried 1265 01:02:50,663 --> 01:02:53,148 is just to make sure that he still has time being a kid. 1266 01:02:53,286 --> 01:02:56,565 And make sure that even though yes, 1267 01:02:56,703 --> 01:02:59,465 he's well known around the world, 1268 01:02:59,845 --> 01:03:03,158 to me personally, I don't think he notices it that much 1269 01:03:03,296 --> 01:03:06,713 because, again, we really try to keep him grounded 1270 01:03:06,852 --> 01:03:09,751 and really try to make sure that YouTube 1271 01:03:09,889 --> 01:03:12,858 is not the essential part of who he is. 1272 01:03:12,996 --> 01:03:15,308 [all yelling] 1273 01:03:15,446 --> 01:03:17,414 [child giggling] 1274 01:03:17,552 --> 01:03:19,623 [whimsical music] 1275 01:03:20,589 --> 01:03:23,730 There was this offering that YouTube had called YouTube Kids, 1276 01:03:23,869 --> 01:03:27,700 and in 2017 it had 11 million weekly viewers, 1277 01:03:27,838 --> 01:03:29,184 which is just a huge number. 1278 01:03:30,496 --> 01:03:32,360 Wow! 1279 01:03:33,568 --> 01:03:36,433 [Dave] Now, it was really maybe a couple years later 1280 01:03:36,571 --> 01:03:39,850 that it came out that there was this effort 1281 01:03:39,988 --> 01:03:45,200 by content producers to use YouTube and YouTube Kids 1282 01:03:45,338 --> 01:03:49,204 to basically generate content that would 1283 01:03:49,342 --> 01:03:52,518 leverage what they knew about the algorithm 1284 01:03:52,863 --> 01:03:55,555 so that it would be recommended to children. 1285 01:04:00,146 --> 01:04:02,183 There were videos that were frightening 1286 01:04:02,321 --> 01:04:04,392 and traumatizing children, that depicted abuse. 1287 01:04:04,530 --> 01:04:06,877 They were hijacking Disney characters 1288 01:04:07,015 --> 01:04:10,294 orPaw Patrol and showing them being stabbed 1289 01:04:10,432 --> 01:04:14,747 or hit by cars or killed or committing suicide. 1290 01:04:14,885 --> 01:04:19,441 And all of these videos were being promoted to children. 1291 01:04:21,443 --> 01:04:26,034 So it was really a disturbing phenomenon and really just goes 1292 01:04:26,172 --> 01:04:31,937 to show how dangerous this kind of technology can be. 1293 01:04:32,385 --> 01:04:34,663 It really gets into this idea 1294 01:04:34,801 --> 01:04:37,804 that when you codify something like that into a recommendation algorithm, 1295 01:04:38,184 --> 01:04:39,945 results end up being dominated 1296 01:04:40,083 --> 01:04:42,844 by particular behaviors and especially those behaviors 1297 01:04:43,327 --> 01:04:45,088 that make YouTube the most money. 1298 01:04:46,399 --> 01:04:47,607 [Shion] I guess the biggest challenge 1299 01:04:47,745 --> 01:04:50,645 of the parents and of the producers too, 1300 01:04:50,783 --> 01:04:53,027 is the kids influencer business 1301 01:04:53,165 --> 01:04:55,650 is still untouched territory. 1302 01:04:55,788 --> 01:04:57,272 It's still very new. 1303 01:04:57,548 --> 01:05:00,551 You know, the regulation is still not 100% perfect. 1304 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,450 There are many things that we have to figure out 1305 01:05:02,588 --> 01:05:04,141 as we go and then make sure 1306 01:05:04,279 --> 01:05:06,040 it's a safe place for kids. 1307 01:05:06,972 --> 01:05:09,112 [Dave] There was this weird thing where, like, 1308 01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:14,324 this scary character was just popping up in kids' videos. 1309 01:05:15,808 --> 01:05:17,948 A terrifying video that targets your kids. 1310 01:05:18,086 --> 01:05:21,918 The online challenge encouraging children to kill themselves. 1311 01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:25,404 [Dave] You know, that was something that happened after YouTube 1312 01:05:25,542 --> 01:05:28,476 had supposedly gone in and fixed the problem. 1313 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,617 When we talk about the YouTube 1314 01:05:31,755 --> 01:05:33,895 recommendation algorithm, that's just a great example 1315 01:05:34,033 --> 01:05:37,934 of something where the focus on fixing a system 1316 01:05:38,072 --> 01:05:39,866 for recommending content, 1317 01:05:40,005 --> 01:05:41,661 if we can just figure out 1318 01:05:41,799 --> 01:05:44,837 that right piece of technology, everything will get fixed. 1319 01:05:44,975 --> 01:05:48,116 And that's a very Silicon Valley way of approaching things. 1320 01:05:48,254 --> 01:05:49,842 And I don't think it's the right one 1321 01:05:49,980 --> 01:05:52,638 because these are not technology problems. 1322 01:05:52,776 --> 01:05:55,744 These are far broader problems. 1323 01:05:58,264 --> 01:06:00,853 Even putting up a stoplight at an intersection, 1324 01:06:00,991 --> 01:06:02,751 It only gets made when there's like 1325 01:06:02,889 --> 01:06:05,271 a certain amount of deaths or something or enough people complain 1326 01:06:05,409 --> 01:06:08,861 and people are only complaining when there's a reason to complain. 1327 01:06:09,103 --> 01:06:10,932 And it's kind of like that here. I don't, 1328 01:06:11,070 --> 01:06:12,451 It's kind of dangerous 1329 01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:14,625 how we are just waiting for there to be enough 1330 01:06:14,763 --> 01:06:18,975 of these digital car crashes in this digital intersection 1331 01:06:19,113 --> 01:06:20,528 with no stoplight. 1332 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,534 [slow music playing] 1333 01:06:35,543 --> 01:06:37,303 [sirens blaring] 1334 01:06:37,441 --> 01:06:39,754 [reporter] Injured people are rushed to hospital. 1335 01:06:39,892 --> 01:06:43,206 They were gunned down during Friday prayers at Al Noor Mosque 1336 01:06:43,344 --> 01:06:45,380 in the center of Christchurch. 1337 01:06:45,518 --> 01:06:48,521 [reporter 2] Police confirm the gunman was livestreaming the killings 1338 01:06:48,659 --> 01:06:50,730 at one mosque on social media. 1339 01:06:50,868 --> 01:06:53,181 [woman] It was the most devastating... 1340 01:06:53,319 --> 01:06:56,874 [singing "Imagine"] 1341 01:06:57,220 --> 01:06:59,084 In December of 2020, 1342 01:06:59,567 --> 01:07:04,054 the New Zealand government released the results of this research 1343 01:07:04,192 --> 01:07:09,577 that they had done into the shooter and his radicalization process, 1344 01:07:09,715 --> 01:07:14,168 and they found that he had donated money 1345 01:07:14,306 --> 01:07:16,860 to a series of YouTubers. 1346 01:07:16,998 --> 01:07:21,347 He basically spoke about being radicalized on YouTube. 1347 01:07:21,485 --> 01:07:23,970 It wasn't in these, we like to talk about 1348 01:07:24,109 --> 01:07:26,525 the deep, dark corners of the Internet. 1349 01:07:27,905 --> 01:07:30,425 You know, it conjures up these scary images 1350 01:07:30,563 --> 01:07:32,979 of the dark web and all of these things. 1351 01:07:33,118 --> 01:07:34,947 But this was actually right out in the open, 1352 01:07:35,085 --> 01:07:37,018 you know, right on YouTube 1353 01:07:37,156 --> 01:07:38,882 is where he got radicalized. 1354 01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:45,199 We bring our ideas to you. Our ideas have power. 1355 01:07:45,337 --> 01:07:47,753 Our time has come. 1356 01:07:47,891 --> 01:07:50,652 There is nothing that can stop an idea 1357 01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:51,998 whose time has come. 1358 01:07:52,137 --> 01:07:53,862 And that time is now. 1359 01:07:54,242 --> 01:07:56,589 [applause] 1360 01:07:56,727 --> 01:08:00,559 [slow music] 1361 01:08:02,112 --> 01:08:05,253 [Caleb] That shooting, it really disturbed me. 1362 01:08:05,391 --> 01:08:07,152 And I, you know, 1363 01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:10,258 I realized in that moment that this ideology would literally 1364 01:08:10,396 --> 01:08:13,089 kill my friends, you know? 1365 01:08:14,504 --> 01:08:16,402 And so, yeah, I had to make a change. 1366 01:08:19,060 --> 01:08:21,545 I had two individuals message me and they said, 1367 01:08:22,132 --> 01:08:24,617 "Hi, I'm not going to tell you who I am, 1368 01:08:24,755 --> 01:08:27,689 but I'm inside all the far right chats 1369 01:08:27,827 --> 01:08:30,244 and they're pissed off at you 1370 01:08:30,382 --> 01:08:31,762 and they've got your address." 1371 01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:33,764 And then he posted my address and I was like, 1372 01:08:33,902 --> 01:08:35,525 "Why are you telling me all this?" 1373 01:08:35,663 --> 01:08:39,218 And he said, "Because, man, you're a fucking cuck. 1374 01:08:39,356 --> 01:08:40,875 But what they're saying, 1375 01:08:41,013 --> 01:08:43,395 what they're talking about doing to you is fucked up." 1376 01:08:45,259 --> 01:08:47,916 I think what YouTube needs to do is they need to have very clear terms 1377 01:08:48,054 --> 01:08:50,954 of service on their websites of what's acceptable and what isn't. 1378 01:08:51,437 --> 01:08:52,990 You know, I am a free speech advocate, 1379 01:08:53,129 --> 01:08:56,373 but what I saw on the platform was people 1380 01:08:56,511 --> 01:08:58,168 taking advantage of this algorithm. 1381 01:08:58,306 --> 01:09:00,688 And the algorithm does not care about what your politics are. 1382 01:09:00,964 --> 01:09:03,794 It cares about watch time and keeping you on platform. 1383 01:09:03,932 --> 01:09:05,727 And I think I left it the same way I went in it, 1384 01:09:05,865 --> 01:09:08,178 is that I'm curious and I was always looking for, 1385 01:09:08,316 --> 01:09:10,284 the world's really, really screwed up 1386 01:09:10,422 --> 01:09:13,459 and how can I help make it a little bit better? 1387 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,635 And so that was always the motivation going in 1388 01:09:16,773 --> 01:09:19,638 and that was the motivation coming out. 1389 01:09:20,639 --> 01:09:22,123 [Destiny] Basically what you want to do 1390 01:09:22,261 --> 01:09:23,711 is you want to find somebody that feels like 1391 01:09:23,849 --> 01:09:25,333 they're fucked in some way. 1392 01:09:25,471 --> 01:09:27,163 "Make America Great Again," right? 1393 01:09:27,301 --> 01:09:28,923 You want to find somebody that feels like they're fucked 1394 01:09:29,061 --> 01:09:30,304 in some way and you want to speak to that. 1395 01:09:30,442 --> 01:09:32,029 And when you hone in on that, 1396 01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:35,205 you can bring a person onto your side to believe anything 1397 01:09:35,343 --> 01:09:36,965 that you want them to believe. 1398 01:09:37,103 --> 01:09:38,760 [Caleb] And once I found, you know, content debating 1399 01:09:38,898 --> 01:09:41,832 with these alt-right figures, found Destiny, 1400 01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:43,972 later on I would find ContraPoints. 1401 01:09:44,490 --> 01:09:47,113 Hi. In this video I'm going to talk about 1402 01:09:47,252 --> 01:09:49,564 how to recognize a fascist. 1403 01:09:51,256 --> 01:09:53,050 [Caleb] Yeah, I got obsessed with learning about that, 1404 01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:56,640 because how are these people disproving all my gurus, 1405 01:09:56,778 --> 01:09:59,229 you know, disproving all these people who are supposed to be 1406 01:09:59,367 --> 01:10:02,232 my warriors that are out there fighting to save my civilization? 1407 01:10:02,370 --> 01:10:06,029 How are they getting slayed on the rhetorical battlefield 1408 01:10:06,167 --> 01:10:08,169 by a transgender woman? 1409 01:10:08,307 --> 01:10:11,552 The strategic fascist knows it's better to start with realistic, 1410 01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:14,451 achievable goals, and that means focusing first 1411 01:10:14,589 --> 01:10:16,453 on stopping non-white immigration, 1412 01:10:16,591 --> 01:10:18,800 something they'll try to get you, the centrist, 1413 01:10:18,938 --> 01:10:22,804 conservative or liberal, on board with by emphasizing the danger 1414 01:10:22,942 --> 01:10:26,222 and criminality of non-white immigrants and refugees. 1415 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,016 I always viewed the channel as a kind of 1416 01:10:28,154 --> 01:10:31,296 attempted intervention that didn't assume that, 1417 01:10:31,434 --> 01:10:33,746 I never assumed that YouTube was going to step in and save us. 1418 01:10:33,884 --> 01:10:36,370 I never assumed that these people were going to be banned. 1419 01:10:36,508 --> 01:10:37,923 The question was, 1420 01:10:39,131 --> 01:10:41,064 is there some part of this audience that can be kind of 1421 01:10:42,134 --> 01:10:47,588 pulled away from the edge of this extremism, basically? 1422 01:10:48,934 --> 01:10:52,489 I started to meet people, trans people, Muslim people, 1423 01:10:52,627 --> 01:10:54,146 gay people, all these people. 1424 01:10:54,284 --> 01:10:56,044 And it's not just I met them and now I'm like, 1425 01:10:56,182 --> 01:10:58,357 "Oh, I feel comfortable around you, 1426 01:10:58,495 --> 01:11:01,740 because I was never, I never had a strict phobia of any individual. 1427 01:11:02,741 --> 01:11:05,157 But what I, when I would speak to them, 1428 01:11:05,295 --> 01:11:07,228 I would get to hear their experience and I would actually 1429 01:11:07,366 --> 01:11:09,057 listen to their perspective and I would ask them 1430 01:11:09,195 --> 01:11:10,507 challenging questions. 1431 01:11:10,645 --> 01:11:12,302 If there's anything you guys can teach me, 1432 01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:14,028 if there's anything I can teach you, let's correspond, 1433 01:11:14,166 --> 01:11:16,272 let's get together, and let's figure this thing out, 1434 01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:20,206 because it's a problem I believe that we can figure out. 1435 01:11:20,448 --> 01:11:23,313 They do it like Tyler Durden does inFight Club. 1436 01:11:25,902 --> 01:11:27,869 They take you through your existential moment 1437 01:11:28,007 --> 01:11:30,424 and destroy your old identity, which is your false identity 1438 01:11:30,562 --> 01:11:31,873 that your masters gave to you. 1439 01:11:32,011 --> 01:11:33,461 Just let go! 1440 01:11:33,599 --> 01:11:35,118 [Caleb] And then they give you a new false identity, 1441 01:11:35,256 --> 01:11:36,913 which you are now beholden to them. 1442 01:11:37,051 --> 01:11:38,915 Without pain, without sacrifice, you would have nothing. 1443 01:11:39,053 --> 01:11:41,642 [Caleb] And so now you just run down the pike. 1444 01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:44,092 That's what's kind of going on here. 1445 01:11:46,612 --> 01:11:48,580 And of course, the trick is they lie to you 1446 01:11:48,718 --> 01:11:49,719 about a bunch of stuff, too. 1447 01:11:49,857 --> 01:11:51,445 They reframe the truth. 1448 01:11:51,583 --> 01:11:53,309 [man] There's been an awakening. 1449 01:11:53,447 --> 01:11:55,000 Have you felt it? 1450 01:11:55,138 --> 01:11:56,829 [male 2] Have you ever wondered why we go to war? 1451 01:11:56,967 --> 01:11:59,625 Or why you never seem to be able to get out of debt? 1452 01:11:59,763 --> 01:12:02,421 Why there is poverty, division and crime. 1453 01:12:02,628 --> 01:12:04,975 What if I told you there was a reason for it all? 1454 01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:07,737 What if I told you it was done on purpose? 1455 01:12:08,185 --> 01:12:11,016 What if I told you that those who were corrupting the world, 1456 01:12:11,154 --> 01:12:14,813 poisoning our food and igniting conflict were themselves 1457 01:12:14,951 --> 01:12:17,609 about to be permanently eradicated from the Earth? 1458 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,890 [birds chirping] 1459 01:12:25,064 --> 01:12:29,897 [Tyler] My mom started prepping for World War 3, apocalypse, you name it. 1460 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:32,451 If you can imagine like a person just prepping 1461 01:12:32,589 --> 01:12:36,455 for a natural disaster as such, she would go ten times beyond that. 1462 01:12:37,249 --> 01:12:40,356 She started arming herself with weapons, guns. 1463 01:12:40,494 --> 01:12:44,118 But she just started wearing the weapon around the house. 1464 01:12:45,706 --> 01:12:47,052 [door thuds] 1465 01:12:49,675 --> 01:12:51,228 -[Alex Winter] Hey, Tyler. -Hello. 1466 01:12:51,574 --> 01:12:53,023 You can just tell us a bit about 1467 01:12:53,161 --> 01:12:54,922 when you first started experiencing the changes 1468 01:12:55,060 --> 01:12:56,406 that were happening at home. 1469 01:12:57,511 --> 01:12:59,616 It was, conspiracy theories to me have always been 1470 01:12:59,754 --> 01:13:01,549 just part of the social media platforms. 1471 01:13:01,687 --> 01:13:05,864 Since, you could say the dawn of time from the digital age and such. 1472 01:13:06,796 --> 01:13:09,005 Once it started approaching closer and closer 1473 01:13:09,143 --> 01:13:10,662 to the elections itself, 1474 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,112 the conspiracy theories started becoming more 1475 01:13:13,250 --> 01:13:17,841 and more wild from things like microchips and the vaccination. 1476 01:13:17,979 --> 01:13:20,292 China having troops at the borders. 1477 01:13:21,155 --> 01:13:25,573 Trump is basically fighting against the cabal or such. 1478 01:13:26,436 --> 01:13:28,473 [ominous music] 1479 01:13:28,611 --> 01:13:32,960 She said that QAnon were two separate entities named Q and Anon, 1480 01:13:33,098 --> 01:13:35,480 run by two quantum computers. 1481 01:13:35,963 --> 01:13:37,551 That they weren't even people, 1482 01:13:37,689 --> 01:13:40,346 they were AIs that helped recruit Trump 1483 01:13:40,485 --> 01:13:41,762 to fight the good fight. 1484 01:13:42,314 --> 01:13:43,798 From there, it just started 1485 01:13:43,936 --> 01:13:46,629 getting even worse because now she started preaching 1486 01:13:46,767 --> 01:13:48,734 these conspiracy theories like they're the Bible 1487 01:13:48,872 --> 01:13:51,496 and started getting in my face about it all the time. 1488 01:13:52,117 --> 01:13:54,740 I couldn't say no. I couldn't say yes. 1489 01:13:54,878 --> 01:13:57,225 Either one would trigger a confrontation 1490 01:13:57,363 --> 01:13:59,296 between herself and me. 1491 01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:02,265 And especially since I didn't hold the same beliefs as she did. 1492 01:14:02,403 --> 01:14:06,442 She said things like, "Oh, I'm just trying to protect you." 1493 01:14:06,580 --> 01:14:09,548 And I'm like, "Yes, from what? 1494 01:14:09,997 --> 01:14:12,309 The neighbors are not going to harm us. 1495 01:14:12,448 --> 01:14:14,450 I'm afraid sometimes 1496 01:14:14,588 --> 01:14:16,728 that you're going to go out there and start killing people or something." 1497 01:14:17,245 --> 01:14:19,040 She took offense to that and eventually 1498 01:14:19,178 --> 01:14:22,734 it devolved to, the argument devolved into me saying, 1499 01:14:22,872 --> 01:14:25,668 "I'm done. I don't need you anymore." 1500 01:14:25,875 --> 01:14:27,980 And from there I just called up some friends 1501 01:14:28,118 --> 01:14:30,155 and left on just whatever I can grab. 1502 01:14:36,713 --> 01:14:38,266 [reporter] The World Health Organization 1503 01:14:38,404 --> 01:14:41,338 has now confirmed the coronavirus is a pandemic. 1504 01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:44,825 [reporter 2] A quarter of the world's population 1505 01:14:44,963 --> 01:14:47,621 is now living under some form of lockdown 1506 01:14:47,759 --> 01:14:49,761 due to coronavirus. 1507 01:14:49,899 --> 01:14:53,661 [Donald Trump] Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. 1508 01:14:53,799 --> 01:14:55,283 Let's raise the, raise the bed. 1509 01:14:55,663 --> 01:14:57,838 [doctors] 1510 01:14:57,976 --> 01:14:59,840 And this is their new hoax. 1511 01:15:00,565 --> 01:15:03,291 The coronavirus pandemic was the perfect storm 1512 01:15:03,429 --> 01:15:05,570 for radicalizing people. 1513 01:15:05,708 --> 01:15:09,746 There is no evidence that I can see that a pandemic exists. 1514 01:15:09,884 --> 01:15:12,508 [Robert Lewis] I don't personally know anybody that's had it. 1515 01:15:12,646 --> 01:15:15,994 I don't know anybody that knows anybody that's had it. 1516 01:15:16,132 --> 01:15:17,858 So you either wear the mask... 1517 01:15:17,996 --> 01:15:20,343 And I'm not doing it because I woke up in a free country. 1518 01:15:21,068 --> 01:15:23,277 [Talia] It created a lot of isolation. 1519 01:15:23,415 --> 01:15:26,142 It gave people a lot more time to be on their computers. 1520 01:15:26,591 --> 01:15:29,110 You cannot make people wear a mask. It's not our laws at all. 1521 01:15:29,248 --> 01:15:31,768 This is just made up by Bill Gates and them. 1522 01:15:31,906 --> 01:15:33,908 Go online and look it up. 1523 01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:38,085 [Talia] You know, there were these massive social disruptions, 1524 01:15:38,223 --> 01:15:41,260 like over the nature of the fabric of reality. 1525 01:15:41,398 --> 01:15:43,539 -[woman] Are you laying 5G? -Yeah. 1526 01:15:43,849 --> 01:15:45,402 [woman] You know, when they turn this on, it's going to kill everyone. 1527 01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:47,197 And that's why they're building the hospitals. 1528 01:15:47,335 --> 01:15:49,786 [crowd chanting] 1529 01:15:49,924 --> 01:15:54,757 [Talia] In person, the reopen rallies like were attended by militias and white nationalists. 1530 01:15:54,895 --> 01:15:57,863 Texans know this is a Chi-Com 1531 01:15:58,001 --> 01:16:04,076 globalist bio weapon meant to shut down our economy. 1532 01:16:05,008 --> 01:16:06,320 [Talia] The same was true on the Internet, 1533 01:16:06,458 --> 01:16:08,460 that the people pushing reopen content 1534 01:16:08,598 --> 01:16:11,912 or talking about COVID restrictions as state tyranny. 1535 01:16:12,050 --> 01:16:14,224 We're talking about the COVID lockdown. 1536 01:16:14,362 --> 01:16:16,675 What we're really talking about is the great reset. 1537 01:16:17,158 --> 01:16:18,815 Everything that you're seeing right now 1538 01:16:18,953 --> 01:16:21,715 is a giant political conspiracy. 1539 01:16:21,853 --> 01:16:23,406 [machine beeping] 1540 01:16:23,993 --> 01:16:25,132 We're going to do everything we can. 1541 01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:27,134 That's what I can promise you, okay? 1542 01:16:28,342 --> 01:16:29,895 [Anthony] When you meet someone that says, 1543 01:16:30,033 --> 01:16:31,552 "Oh, I'm somewhere in the middle," 1544 01:16:31,690 --> 01:16:34,072 which I feel like what many people were at some point, 1545 01:16:34,210 --> 01:16:35,970 now it's like, "Oh, you're in the middle, 1546 01:16:36,108 --> 01:16:37,454 then you're against me, fuck you." 1547 01:16:38,663 --> 01:16:40,596 And the algorithm really plays into that. 1548 01:16:40,734 --> 01:16:44,185 [yelling] 1549 01:16:45,117 --> 01:16:48,086 Before we get to the topic at hand, which is COVID-19, 1550 01:16:48,224 --> 01:16:51,330 we have to address the protests currently going on 1551 01:16:51,468 --> 01:16:54,955 and the murder of George Floyd at the hands of police. 1552 01:16:55,887 --> 01:16:57,820 [crowds chanting] 1553 01:16:58,752 --> 01:17:02,410 [reporter] The outrage over the death of George Floyd is global. 1554 01:17:02,548 --> 01:17:04,171 [woman] We're here to enact change. 1555 01:17:04,309 --> 01:17:06,069 We're here to say that our lives matter. 1556 01:17:06,207 --> 01:17:07,657 We need the community to understand that. 1557 01:17:07,795 --> 01:17:10,039 [crowd] We want change! We want change! 1558 01:17:10,487 --> 01:17:13,836 Certainly, all of those factors were pumped up to 11. 1559 01:17:14,595 --> 01:17:16,321 [yelling and screaming] 1560 01:17:16,528 --> 01:17:18,841 [reporter] Dozens of American cities up in flames 1561 01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:21,637 after some protests turned into riots. 1562 01:17:21,775 --> 01:17:23,777 [crowd yelling] 1563 01:17:24,432 --> 01:17:26,158 I think that the way that the platforms 1564 01:17:26,296 --> 01:17:29,161 and YouTube in particular looked at these algorithms was 1565 01:17:29,299 --> 01:17:30,956 much more from the perspective of, 1566 01:17:31,094 --> 01:17:33,200 "Oh wow, let's find a way to get people 1567 01:17:33,338 --> 01:17:35,927 to see content coming from like-minded people." 1568 01:17:36,065 --> 01:17:37,791 And I don't think it had occurred to them 1569 01:17:37,929 --> 01:17:41,484 that like-minded people might be people who were angry... 1570 01:17:41,622 --> 01:17:44,867 Start a riot? Black lives matter? [bleep] you! 1571 01:17:45,315 --> 01:17:48,456 [Jillian] ...and looking for the kind of content that would help them 1572 01:17:48,594 --> 01:17:51,667 connect with other people who were angry in that same way 1573 01:17:51,805 --> 01:17:54,186 and not oriented towards justice. 1574 01:17:56,257 --> 01:18:00,261 A lot of people turned to conspiracy for the first time. 1575 01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:05,646 This is experimental bio warfare on the people. 1576 01:18:06,543 --> 01:18:09,029 [Talia] Some of them became out and out white nationalists 1577 01:18:09,167 --> 01:18:10,513 and some of them became sympathizers 1578 01:18:10,651 --> 01:18:13,550 and others became QAnon supporters. 1579 01:18:13,689 --> 01:18:15,518 This is like a global takeover. 1580 01:18:15,656 --> 01:18:17,347 They're trying to create a new world order, right? 1581 01:18:17,485 --> 01:18:20,040 They thought they could easily get their great reset. 1582 01:18:20,316 --> 01:18:22,732 Little did they know! Little did they know! 1583 01:18:22,939 --> 01:18:24,665 They thought they could easily have it. 1584 01:18:24,803 --> 01:18:26,046 Pandemic's a hoax! 1585 01:18:27,254 --> 01:18:29,152 [Talia] It grew and grew and grew and grew. 1586 01:18:35,262 --> 01:18:37,436 [Caleb] On January 6th, I went down to the Capitol. 1587 01:18:37,574 --> 01:18:39,024 [screaming] 1588 01:18:39,335 --> 01:18:41,682 One thing that I've tried to understand 1589 01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:43,477 is Internet subcultures. 1590 01:18:45,306 --> 01:18:47,067 And I was at the Capitol to take pictures 1591 01:18:47,205 --> 01:18:48,896 of the different extremist groups. 1592 01:18:49,034 --> 01:18:52,003 [crowd] Stop the steal! Stop the steal! 1593 01:18:52,589 --> 01:18:54,246 They chased me around, called me antifa. 1594 01:18:54,384 --> 01:18:56,248 Tried to get the normal MAGA people, 1595 01:18:56,386 --> 01:18:58,112 because I could tell these were some Proud Boys types. 1596 01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:00,425 We're going to storm the fucking Capitol. 1597 01:19:00,563 --> 01:19:01,875 Fuck you fuckers. 1598 01:19:03,980 --> 01:19:05,948 Bellingcat did a great study of looking 1599 01:19:06,086 --> 01:19:08,088 at sort of neo-Nazis on Telegram who discussed 1600 01:19:08,226 --> 01:19:09,261 how they'd been radicalized. 1601 01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:11,436 And just like so many of them, 1602 01:19:11,574 --> 01:19:14,094 a majority of them, cited YouTube specifically 1603 01:19:14,232 --> 01:19:17,166 as their means of radicalization. 1604 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,169 This is probably our last opportunity 1605 01:19:20,307 --> 01:19:24,311 to actually organize against the New World Order. 1606 01:19:25,036 --> 01:19:28,971 [reporter] Yesterday, conspiracy theorists, the alt right, the far right, 1607 01:19:29,109 --> 01:19:33,044 QAnon followers, and others stormed Capitol Hill 1608 01:19:33,182 --> 01:19:35,149 and livestreamed it. 1609 01:19:37,255 --> 01:19:40,051 [man] A lot of the blame for inciting these riots is being placed 1610 01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:42,087 on social media sites. 1611 01:19:42,398 --> 01:19:44,572 [reporter] YouTube announced Tuesday it suspended 1612 01:19:44,710 --> 01:19:46,747 U.S. President Donald Trump's channel 1613 01:19:46,885 --> 01:19:50,406 as it violated policies against inciting violence. 1614 01:19:50,544 --> 01:19:53,961 [woman] He was suspended from both Twitter and banned from Facebook 1615 01:19:54,099 --> 01:19:55,307 and Instagram as well. 1616 01:19:56,308 --> 01:19:58,379 It's a sad day when Big Tech has more power 1617 01:19:58,517 --> 01:20:00,278 than big government, that they can censor 1618 01:20:00,416 --> 01:20:03,453 the President of the United States. 1619 01:20:03,591 --> 01:20:06,215 [Harris Faulkner] YouTube extending its suspension 1620 01:20:06,353 --> 01:20:09,563 of former President Trump's account now indefinitely. 1621 01:20:09,701 --> 01:20:11,289 [screaming] 1622 01:20:11,496 --> 01:20:14,085 [Jillian] They saw that these democratic institutions 1623 01:20:14,223 --> 01:20:15,707 that they were trying to protect 1624 01:20:15,845 --> 01:20:17,571 through freedom of expression 1625 01:20:17,709 --> 01:20:20,332 were actually being destroyed right in front of their eyes 1626 01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:22,610 on their platforms for the whole world to see. 1627 01:20:22,748 --> 01:20:26,131 Patriots are inside Nancy Pelosi's office! 1628 01:20:26,269 --> 01:20:28,444 Hey, everybody, Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain radio. 1629 01:20:28,582 --> 01:20:31,619 [woman] YouTube is continuing to ban the accounts of white supremacists 1630 01:20:31,757 --> 01:20:34,105 in an effort to combat hate speech on its platform. 1631 01:20:34,243 --> 01:20:38,385 We are going under digital martial law. 1632 01:20:41,388 --> 01:20:44,287 [Caleb] Oversaturation of social communication technology 1633 01:20:44,425 --> 01:20:47,394 is going to cause a lot of conflict. 1634 01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:50,466 You know, radicalization getting played out on YouTube 1635 01:20:50,604 --> 01:20:52,330 and everybody throws their hands up and says, 1636 01:20:52,468 --> 01:20:55,574 "Oh, my God, it's the new satanic panic." 1637 01:20:55,712 --> 01:20:57,162 It's the same old thing 1638 01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:59,647 that's been happening, except now it's hyperlinked. 1639 01:21:01,339 --> 01:21:03,410 If we don't figure out this problem, 1640 01:21:03,548 --> 01:21:05,964 we're going to lose what it means to be human. 1641 01:21:10,106 --> 01:21:11,556 Your platforms have changed 1642 01:21:11,694 --> 01:21:15,008 how people across the planet communicate, connect, 1643 01:21:15,146 --> 01:21:16,975 learn and stay informed. 1644 01:21:17,424 --> 01:21:18,839 The power of this technology 1645 01:21:18,977 --> 01:21:20,703 is awesome and terrifying, 1646 01:21:20,841 --> 01:21:24,949 and each of you has failed to protect your users and the world 1647 01:21:25,087 --> 01:21:28,159 from the worst consequences of your creations. 1648 01:21:29,194 --> 01:21:30,644 This is the first time the three of you 1649 01:21:30,782 --> 01:21:32,301 have appeared before Congress 1650 01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:35,718 since the deadly attack on the Capitol on January 6th. 1651 01:21:36,305 --> 01:21:37,685 That event was not just an attack 1652 01:21:37,823 --> 01:21:40,378 on our democracy and our electoral process, 1653 01:21:40,516 --> 01:21:42,173 but an attack on every member 1654 01:21:42,311 --> 01:21:44,140 of this committee and in the Congress. 1655 01:21:44,278 --> 01:21:46,763 I want to start by asking all three of you 1656 01:21:46,902 --> 01:21:50,595 if your platform bears some responsibility 1657 01:21:50,733 --> 01:21:54,219 for disseminating disinformation related to the election 1658 01:21:54,357 --> 01:21:55,772 and the Stop the Steal movement 1659 01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:57,809 that lead to the attack on the Capitol. 1660 01:21:57,947 --> 01:21:59,362 Just a yes or no answer. 1661 01:21:59,811 --> 01:22:02,710 We always feel a deep sense of responsibility. 1662 01:22:02,848 --> 01:22:04,367 But I think we worked hard. 1663 01:22:05,748 --> 01:22:07,923 This election effort was one of our most substantive efforts. 1664 01:22:08,061 --> 01:22:09,200 [Mike Doyle] Is that a yes or a no? 1665 01:22:09,441 --> 01:22:11,133 Congressman, it's a complex question. 1666 01:22:11,581 --> 01:22:14,101 -We... -Okay, we'll move on. 1667 01:22:18,795 --> 01:22:20,797 [Natalie] It's an interesting situation 1668 01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:24,560 where you have what has basically become the public forum 1669 01:22:24,801 --> 01:22:28,115 is run by about three corporations. 1670 01:22:29,151 --> 01:22:32,223 That is a level of power, 1671 01:22:33,362 --> 01:22:36,192 a level of political power and social power 1672 01:22:36,572 --> 01:22:41,163 and economic power that is a little bit terrifying, I think. 1673 01:22:43,889 --> 01:22:46,478 [slow music] 1674 01:22:49,481 --> 01:22:51,207 [Brianna] Google is one of the largest companies 1675 01:22:51,345 --> 01:22:52,864 in the entire world. 1676 01:22:53,002 --> 01:22:54,970 So, you know, one of the reasons 1677 01:22:55,108 --> 01:22:59,319 I ran for Congress was I thought that I could be a force of good. 1678 01:22:59,940 --> 01:23:01,562 Hi, I'm Brianna Wu. 1679 01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:03,909 And I'm running to be your congresswoman right here 1680 01:23:04,048 --> 01:23:06,188 in Massachusetts District Eight. 1681 01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:10,468 I thought that having someone that had been affected by these issues, 1682 01:23:10,606 --> 01:23:13,609 I hoped that I could make a difference directly. 1683 01:23:13,885 --> 01:23:16,957 Clearly just tweeting about these issues, 1684 01:23:17,095 --> 01:23:18,614 it's not working. 1685 01:23:18,752 --> 01:23:21,375 We need legislators that really care about this issue 1686 01:23:21,513 --> 01:23:24,068 and will put skin on the line for it. 1687 01:23:25,069 --> 01:23:28,313 I want to be very clear that the prosecution's decision 1688 01:23:28,451 --> 01:23:30,315 to abandon my client's claims 1689 01:23:30,453 --> 01:23:34,664 does not invalidate the truth of her claims. 1690 01:23:34,940 --> 01:23:38,323 Well, because I am a litigator, 1691 01:23:38,461 --> 01:23:42,914 my whole like purpose is this idea that, 1692 01:23:43,052 --> 01:23:47,677 you know, one lawyer and one client can pay $210 1693 01:23:47,815 --> 01:23:50,577 for an index number to start a lawsuit. 1694 01:23:50,715 --> 01:23:55,375 And that team of people can create law that rules the land. 1695 01:23:55,513 --> 01:23:58,171 And that process comes about 1696 01:23:58,309 --> 01:24:02,002 by starting a case, appealing and appealing when you lose, 1697 01:24:02,140 --> 01:24:04,280 and then petitioning to the Supreme Court. 1698 01:24:04,867 --> 01:24:08,181 And so that's why I think litigation 1699 01:24:08,319 --> 01:24:12,012 to reform the Internet is really powerful 1700 01:24:12,150 --> 01:24:16,292 and is like where I put my effort. 1701 01:24:16,741 --> 01:24:18,846 So, yeah, I do think it needs to go to the Supreme Court. 1702 01:24:19,571 --> 01:24:21,159 Can you bring it here? 1703 01:24:25,508 --> 01:24:27,579 I'd like to think I've been making a dent in it. 1704 01:24:27,855 --> 01:24:31,618 The NRA when I started was, you know, all powerful. 1705 01:24:31,756 --> 01:24:34,207 Now they're, they haven't gone away, 1706 01:24:34,345 --> 01:24:36,071 but they're somewhat in retreat. 1707 01:24:36,761 --> 01:24:39,177 With Google, it's the same thing. 1708 01:24:39,315 --> 01:24:43,837 I have started a Change.org petition. 1709 01:24:45,114 --> 01:24:47,392 People are calling in to say, 1710 01:24:47,530 --> 01:24:50,430 help Andy Parker, give him the co-copyright. 1711 01:24:50,568 --> 01:24:52,156 What good is it for you 1712 01:24:52,294 --> 01:24:55,262 when he can at least use this in his fight against Google? 1713 01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:01,751 And so it's a worthwhile fight and I'm not giving up. 1714 01:25:01,889 --> 01:25:04,616 And whether it comes from the Supreme Court or Congress, 1715 01:25:04,754 --> 01:25:08,344 I think it's more likely to come from legislation, 1716 01:25:08,482 --> 01:25:09,828 congressional legislation. 1717 01:25:10,277 --> 01:25:12,900 Google profits massively 1718 01:25:13,038 --> 01:25:14,971 off of lack of regulation. 1719 01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:16,456 If it cannot properly 1720 01:25:16,594 --> 01:25:19,183 protect citizens from online harassment, 1721 01:25:19,390 --> 01:25:22,151 hate speech and moment of death videos, 1722 01:25:22,289 --> 01:25:24,878 I call on Congress to step in 1723 01:25:25,016 --> 01:25:27,329 and make sure that proper protections 1724 01:25:27,467 --> 01:25:29,469 are in place for private citizens like me 1725 01:25:29,607 --> 01:25:32,782 who are continually harassed and exploited. 1726 01:25:33,231 --> 01:25:36,614 Well it's a great saying, with great power comes great responsibility. 1727 01:25:36,752 --> 01:25:40,756 We did tell him that you have, you have the influence, right, 1728 01:25:40,894 --> 01:25:42,206 to influence kids. 1729 01:25:42,344 --> 01:25:45,001 So we, hopefully we teach him right 1730 01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:47,418 and use that influence for good. 1731 01:25:47,556 --> 01:25:49,282 So what we did, 1732 01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:52,561 partnered with the YouTube team, is we interviewed health experts. 1733 01:25:53,009 --> 01:25:56,944 If somebody sneezes or coughs and they have the coronavirus, 1734 01:25:57,082 --> 01:25:58,912 how far can it spread? 1735 01:25:59,050 --> 01:26:00,431 That's such a cool question. 1736 01:26:00,569 --> 01:26:02,743 These particles are so tiny 1737 01:26:03,503 --> 01:26:04,987 that they even happen when we talk. 1738 01:26:05,125 --> 01:26:06,575 They come out of our mouth when we talk. 1739 01:26:06,713 --> 01:26:08,715 I know that sounds really gross. [laughter] 1740 01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:11,649 [Shion] Ryan asks all those questions for his fans. 1741 01:26:11,787 --> 01:26:16,101 And now, until when do you want to do the YouTube thing? 1742 01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,794 Until when you're 20-something? 1743 01:26:18,932 --> 01:26:21,037 Yeah, 20, I think 6 or 5. 1744 01:26:21,176 --> 01:26:24,213 So he wants to continue this until at least he's 26. 1745 01:26:24,420 --> 01:26:25,663 Just for now. [laughs] 1746 01:26:25,801 --> 01:26:28,459 And why? He had a reason why. 1747 01:26:29,114 --> 01:26:30,495 I don't remember. 1748 01:26:30,944 --> 01:26:34,016 I know you've probably already read the title by now, 1749 01:26:34,154 --> 01:26:38,607 but I feel like we should just come out and say it. 1750 01:26:38,848 --> 01:26:40,816 I'm leaving Smosh. 1751 01:26:40,954 --> 01:26:43,163 I know a lot of you guys are probably going to assume 1752 01:26:43,612 --> 01:26:46,097 he's leaving because we got in some sort of big fight 1753 01:26:46,235 --> 01:26:48,410 or because we hate each other. 1754 01:26:48,789 --> 01:26:52,207 But I can guarantee you guys it has nothing to do with that. 1755 01:26:52,345 --> 01:26:54,209 -That did not happen. -No. 1756 01:26:54,450 --> 01:26:56,625 [Anthony] I started to really look at 1757 01:26:56,763 --> 01:26:59,731 what I put out there into the ether as... 1758 01:27:01,216 --> 01:27:04,874 really having some kind of influence on the way that people 1759 01:27:05,012 --> 01:27:09,120 go about their days after watching a piece of content. 1760 01:27:09,741 --> 01:27:11,916 My name is Anthony Padilla, 1761 01:27:12,054 --> 01:27:14,574 and today I'm going to be sitting down with survivors of school shootings 1762 01:27:14,712 --> 01:27:18,163 to learn what it's really like to live through such a traumatic 1763 01:27:18,302 --> 01:27:19,579 and Earth-shattering event. 1764 01:27:19,717 --> 01:27:21,512 -Thank you so much, Shelby. -Thank you! 1765 01:27:21,650 --> 01:27:25,136 I feel like I fully understand the wondrous world of asexuality. 1766 01:27:25,274 --> 01:27:27,759 -I'm so glad. -And congratulations on coming out to the entire world. 1767 01:27:27,897 --> 01:27:30,314 -Oh my God, I forgot already. -[laughter] 1768 01:27:30,969 --> 01:27:33,075 [Anthony] It made me realize that the world 1769 01:27:33,213 --> 01:27:37,562 would be so much of a better place if people came 1770 01:27:38,391 --> 01:27:39,840 into any interaction first with, 1771 01:27:39,978 --> 01:27:42,118 from a place of curiosity and trying to understand 1772 01:27:42,257 --> 01:27:43,706 rather than judgment. 1773 01:27:43,844 --> 01:27:46,778 And it kind of made me feel like there was 1774 01:27:46,916 --> 01:27:48,953 a point to what I was doing, 1775 01:27:50,230 --> 01:27:51,300 which really helped. 1776 01:27:51,438 --> 01:27:52,681 [cork popping] 1777 01:27:53,923 --> 01:27:58,134 You know what, America? Things, things have not gone well. 1778 01:27:58,790 --> 01:28:00,723 Well, as long as I can remember being on YouTube, 1779 01:28:00,861 --> 01:28:03,657 there have always been people who are prognosticating the end. 1780 01:28:03,795 --> 01:28:06,073 "Right, oh, this is the end of the free Internet. 1781 01:28:06,211 --> 01:28:08,006 Like the corporations are going to come in, 1782 01:28:08,144 --> 01:28:09,284 they're going to take over." 1783 01:28:09,422 --> 01:28:10,664 Like it used to be the Wild West, 1784 01:28:10,802 --> 01:28:11,700 it used to be fun, it used to be free. 1785 01:28:11,838 --> 01:28:13,426 But it's all about to end. 1786 01:28:13,564 --> 01:28:15,704 You know, I've been hearing people say that for 14 years. 1787 01:28:16,394 --> 01:28:17,982 [chuckles] As for me, 1788 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,605 Yeah, I'm not just some person filming on a webcam 1789 01:28:20,743 --> 01:28:22,573 in my bedroom anymore, there's a budget. 1790 01:28:22,711 --> 01:28:24,885 There's, you know, a million subscribers, 1791 01:28:25,023 --> 01:28:26,646 but it's still me. 1792 01:28:26,784 --> 01:28:30,684 And because I do commentary on multiple-year trends, 1793 01:28:30,822 --> 01:28:32,652 is kind of the time frame I try to work on, 1794 01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:35,517 I will respond to those trends as they happen. 1795 01:28:35,655 --> 01:28:39,452 Like, am I going to be agile enough that I can stay interesting 1796 01:28:39,693 --> 01:28:42,006 and continue to know what I'm talking about? 1797 01:28:42,938 --> 01:28:47,425 I hope I can. I intend to try. [chuckles] 1798 01:28:51,187 --> 01:28:55,537 Ideally, where do you see YouTube in the future? 1799 01:28:55,675 --> 01:28:58,160 And also just personally, 1800 01:28:58,298 --> 01:29:00,956 where do you see the role of big tech 1801 01:29:01,094 --> 01:29:05,098 in terms of the fact that it has had so much power? 1802 01:29:05,236 --> 01:29:07,549 What do you think the ideal scenario is 1803 01:29:09,378 --> 01:29:11,415 moving forward as both someone who is overseeing YouTube and as a mom, 1804 01:29:11,553 --> 01:29:14,487 as someone who's just a member of this crazy society 1805 01:29:14,625 --> 01:29:16,627 we find ourselves in at this moment? 1806 01:29:17,248 --> 01:29:18,594 [chuckles] 1807 01:29:18,836 --> 01:29:22,253 So I see, I mean, I see a lot of the benefits. 1808 01:29:22,391 --> 01:29:26,084 I see the benefits of the educational communities, 1809 01:29:26,222 --> 01:29:29,709 of connecting diverse communities that otherwise could have never 1810 01:29:29,847 --> 01:29:33,471 been connected and at the same time be thinking about 1811 01:29:33,609 --> 01:29:35,300 what are the risks, what are the downsides, 1812 01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,061 how can we manage that? 1813 01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,132 I know that right now there's a lot of discussion about it, 1814 01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:44,413 but I see that for many reasons that will get worked out. 1815 01:29:44,551 --> 01:29:48,037 I think there's a demand from society, 1816 01:29:48,175 --> 01:29:51,662 from the press, certainly from governments. 1817 01:29:51,869 --> 01:29:55,320 And I do believe that technology 1818 01:29:55,459 --> 01:29:58,807 has a tremendous opportunity for good in the long term. 1819 01:30:01,119 --> 01:30:04,468 [upbeat music playing] 1820 01:30:06,435 --> 01:30:12,476 [crowd counting down] 1821 01:30:14,892 --> 01:30:18,482 [all cheering] [opening bell ringing] 1822 01:30:19,137 --> 01:30:20,863 What I would like to see us do 1823 01:30:21,001 --> 01:30:23,141 is to fundamentally rethink the business model. 1824 01:30:23,521 --> 01:30:24,936 I would like to see us to return 1825 01:30:25,074 --> 01:30:27,007 to something more sane, which is say, look, 1826 01:30:27,145 --> 01:30:29,596 if there is value to Facebook and to Twitter and to YouTube, 1827 01:30:29,734 --> 01:30:31,598 I should just pay a subscription for it. 1828 01:30:31,736 --> 01:30:33,117 And if I'm paying a subscription, 1829 01:30:33,255 --> 01:30:34,463 my business model looks really different. 1830 01:30:34,601 --> 01:30:36,016 My incentives look different. 1831 01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,848 At Google, the past year has given renewed purpose to our mission 1832 01:30:40,331 --> 01:30:42,057 to organize the world's information 1833 01:30:42,402 --> 01:30:44,680 and make it universally accessible and useful. 1834 01:30:44,818 --> 01:30:48,166 Building a more helpful Google for everyone. 1835 01:30:48,788 --> 01:30:50,997 [slow music] 1836 01:30:51,998 --> 01:30:53,862 At other times in our history, 1837 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,037 we have seen dramatic changes, 1838 01:30:57,659 --> 01:31:00,662 breaking up oil and railroad trusts. 1839 01:31:01,490 --> 01:31:04,044 Addressing big tobacco, 1840 01:31:05,045 --> 01:31:08,255 you know, instituting automotive safety reforms. 1841 01:31:08,393 --> 01:31:14,538 We have stepped up and taken on corporate behemoths in the past. 1842 01:31:16,988 --> 01:31:19,646 But it was a very different time. 1843 01:31:21,441 --> 01:31:23,408 Until there's really 1844 01:31:23,547 --> 01:31:27,930 popular momentum for some of these changes, 1845 01:31:28,068 --> 01:31:29,656 they're just not going to happen. 1846 01:31:33,108 --> 01:31:36,283 [dramatic music] 1847 01:31:37,457 --> 01:31:41,012 If YouTube, the company went down tomorrow, 1848 01:31:41,150 --> 01:31:43,808 I think there would be a lot of harmful content 1849 01:31:43,946 --> 01:31:45,776 that was no longer on the Internet. 1850 01:31:46,949 --> 01:31:49,331 But there also would be a ton of creators 1851 01:31:49,469 --> 01:31:51,195 just trying to make a living 1852 01:31:51,333 --> 01:31:53,749 who'd no longer have the venue to do that, right? 1853 01:31:53,991 --> 01:31:57,132 Days like this is why I started vlogging, 1854 01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:59,514 because otherwise no one would see this. 1855 01:32:02,965 --> 01:32:04,519 It really just kind of depends 1856 01:32:04,657 --> 01:32:06,590 on what your outlook in life is. 1857 01:32:06,728 --> 01:32:10,076 If you're the kind of person who's looking for differences, 1858 01:32:10,214 --> 01:32:11,698 who's looking for ways to condemn 1859 01:32:11,836 --> 01:32:13,286 other people and to divide us out, 1860 01:32:13,424 --> 01:32:15,599 then you're going to see YouTube as an enabler 1861 01:32:15,737 --> 01:32:17,946 of these terrible movements, right, 1862 01:32:18,084 --> 01:32:20,569 as a way of justifying the things that you're doing. 1863 01:32:20,707 --> 01:32:23,261 Whereas if you're someone who's seeking those connections, 1864 01:32:23,399 --> 01:32:25,401 who's seeking to find what we have in common 1865 01:32:25,540 --> 01:32:28,266 or to expose injustice, then you're going to use it 1866 01:32:28,404 --> 01:32:30,545 for those purposes. 1867 01:32:30,683 --> 01:32:33,340 And so really, it's the great enabler of all of these different things. 1868 01:32:33,478 --> 01:32:36,758 [man] Lift off of the 25th space shuttle mission, 1869 01:32:36,896 --> 01:32:38,345 and it has cleared the tower. 1870 01:32:38,483 --> 01:32:41,383 I really feel like this is the commons. 1871 01:32:41,521 --> 01:32:44,006 YouTube is our public library. 1872 01:32:44,144 --> 01:32:47,527 [excited basketball commentary] 1873 01:32:47,665 --> 01:32:50,219 [Brianna] It's a critical part of human civilization. 1874 01:32:50,530 --> 01:32:52,808 [Martin Luther King Jr] We've learned to fly the air like birds. 1875 01:32:52,946 --> 01:32:56,398 We've learned to swim the seas like fish. 1876 01:32:56,536 --> 01:32:58,469 And yet we haven't learned to walk the Earth 1877 01:32:58,607 --> 01:33:00,229 as brothers and sisters. 1878 01:33:01,092 --> 01:33:03,060 [Brianna] But I think that corporations 1879 01:33:03,198 --> 01:33:05,269 don't do the right thing until they're forced 1880 01:33:05,407 --> 01:33:06,926 to do the right thing. 1881 01:33:11,586 --> 01:33:17,039 My greatest fear is that we all become citizens of big tech. 1882 01:33:18,627 --> 01:33:20,560 And that there comes a point 1883 01:33:20,698 --> 01:33:25,358 where they're far more powerful than our courts or lawmakers 1884 01:33:25,496 --> 01:33:27,809 and that they have more information 1885 01:33:27,947 --> 01:33:31,640 than our law enforcers and that we're all just 1886 01:33:31,778 --> 01:33:33,780 kind of at their mercy. 1887 01:33:34,574 --> 01:33:40,269 [dramatic rock music] 1888 01:33:59,047 --> 01:34:01,774 We have built a technological grid system 1889 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,467 that we essentially can't destroy 1890 01:34:05,605 --> 01:34:07,745 because we're relying on it now. 1891 01:34:11,093 --> 01:34:14,027 And they've got these things buried at the bottom of the ocean. 1892 01:34:14,925 --> 01:34:17,134 Is anybody stopping for a second 1893 01:34:17,272 --> 01:34:20,551 and thinking about what it means to build something and rely on something like that 1894 01:34:20,689 --> 01:34:22,346 and to never question it? 1895 01:34:23,243 --> 01:34:25,383 Are we speeding things up too fast? 1896 01:34:28,179 --> 01:34:30,388 And what are we speeding towards? 1897 01:34:40,019 --> 01:34:44,713 [slow music playing] 1898 01:35:09,980 --> 01:35:15,744 [slow music playing] 1899 01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:53,161 [slow music playing] 1900 01:36:20,775 --> 01:36:25,503 [slow music playing] 1901 01:36:45,903 --> 01:36:51,288 [dramatic music playing] 1902 01:37:23,561 --> 01:37:29,360 [dramatic music playing] 1903 01:37:54,144 --> 01:38:00,944 [slow music playing] 1904 01:38:41,398 --> 01:38:47,438 [slow music playing] 149717

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