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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,681 --> 00:00:26,561 This programme contains very strong language and some scenes of a sexual nature. 2 00:00:26,561 --> 00:00:30,401 MUSIC: "C'mon Everybody" by Eddie Cochrane 3 00:01:10,041 --> 00:01:11,681 Wonder what we'll get. 4 00:01:11,681 --> 00:01:15,881 I'd like a nice juicy murder, lashings of blood. 5 00:01:15,881 --> 00:01:17,601 Oh, don't say that. 6 00:01:17,601 --> 00:01:20,361 I don't even like going in the butcher's. 7 00:01:20,361 --> 00:01:24,681 D'you know how long a trial goes on? As long as it takes, I imagine. 8 00:01:24,681 --> 00:01:28,921 No, but, I mean, do they have breaks, like if someone wanted the toilet? 9 00:01:28,921 --> 00:01:31,201 Yes, I was wondering that. 10 00:01:31,201 --> 00:01:36,361 The jury system has been going for 800 years, so I should think they would have thought of that by now. 11 00:01:36,361 --> 00:01:38,881 I should cocoa! Oh, right. 12 00:01:38,881 --> 00:01:40,321 Thank you. 13 00:01:43,361 --> 00:01:45,521 Follow me, please. 14 00:02:06,721 --> 00:02:10,561 Members of the jury, as your name is called, you will stand, 15 00:02:10,561 --> 00:02:14,641 take the book in your right hand, and read the words on the card. 16 00:02:14,641 --> 00:02:17,441 Raymond Charles Topping. 17 00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:21,121 I swear by Almighty God... 18 00:02:42,761 --> 00:02:45,561 ..I will well and truly try the several issues joined... 19 00:02:45,561 --> 00:02:47,521 Keith Ernest Gray. 20 00:02:47,521 --> 00:02:50,401 ..and a true verdict give according to the evidence. 21 00:02:53,841 --> 00:02:57,721 'I don't mind telling you, I was terrified.' 22 00:02:57,721 --> 00:03:01,361 I'd never been in a court before, or even been stopped by a policeman, 23 00:03:01,361 --> 00:03:05,401 so when the summons came, I thought, "This is it, they got me now!" 24 00:03:08,041 --> 00:03:11,041 'I was actually quite pleased to get the summons.' 25 00:03:11,041 --> 00:03:16,401 I thought it might be quite a diversion, for while I was waiting for what happened next. 26 00:03:16,401 --> 00:03:20,241 'My life was at a bit of a standstill, to be quite frank with you.' 27 00:03:20,241 --> 00:03:25,561 Members of the jury, the prisoner at the Bar, Penguin Books Limited, 28 00:03:25,561 --> 00:03:32,041 is charged with publishing an obscene article, to wit, a book entitled Lady Chatterley's Lover. 29 00:03:32,041 --> 00:03:36,241 To this indictment it has pleaded not guilty and it is your charge 30 00:03:36,241 --> 00:03:41,481 to say, having heard the evidence, whether it be guilty or not. 31 00:03:41,481 --> 00:03:48,881 If Your Lordship pleases, I appear, with my learned friend Mr Morton, to prosecute in this case. 32 00:03:48,881 --> 00:03:53,961 Members of the jury, it was learnt earlier this year that Penguin Books 33 00:03:53,961 --> 00:03:58,681 proposed to publish this book, Lady Chatterley's Lover. 34 00:03:58,681 --> 00:04:04,601 As a result of that, the company were seen by the police, and so it comes about 35 00:04:04,601 --> 00:04:10,001 that you find yourselves in the jury box to give your judgement on Lady Chatterley's Lover. 36 00:04:10,001 --> 00:04:14,881 I quote from the Obscene Publications Act of 1959. 37 00:04:14,881 --> 00:04:19,801 "A book is to be deemed to be obscene if its effect, taken as a whole, 38 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:25,441 "is such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely to read it." 39 00:04:25,441 --> 00:04:32,561 So, does this book, might this book, deprave and corrupt anyone who might be likely to read it? 40 00:04:32,561 --> 00:04:38,481 And my learned friend will doubtless argue that the book is not obscene, and that even if it were, 41 00:04:38,481 --> 00:04:43,401 its literary merit would warrant its publication as being for the public good. 42 00:04:43,401 --> 00:04:47,201 The prosecution will invite you to say that this book does tend 43 00:04:47,201 --> 00:04:50,841 to introduce lustful thoughts in the minds of those who read it. 44 00:04:50,841 --> 00:04:52,681 It goes further, you may think. 45 00:04:52,681 --> 00:04:56,281 It sets upon a pedestal promiscuous and adulterous intercourse. 46 00:04:56,281 --> 00:05:02,241 It commends, indeed, it even sets out to commend sensuality almost as a virtue. 47 00:05:02,241 --> 00:05:07,921 It encourages, and indeed advocates coarseness and vulgarity of thought and language. 48 00:05:07,921 --> 00:05:13,601 You may think that it must tend to deprave the minds, certainly of some, and you may think of many 49 00:05:13,601 --> 00:05:19,481 of those persons who are likely to purchase it at the price of three shillings and sixpence. 50 00:05:19,481 --> 00:05:23,321 You may think that one of the ways in which you can test the book 51 00:05:23,321 --> 00:05:26,881 is to ask yourselves, once you have read it, this question - 52 00:05:26,881 --> 00:05:31,801 would you approve of your young sons, your young daughters - 53 00:05:31,801 --> 00:05:36,121 because girls can read as well as boys - reading this book? 54 00:05:36,121 --> 00:05:41,961 Is it a book that you would even wish your wife or servants to read? 55 00:05:44,601 --> 00:05:47,401 LAUGHTER 56 00:05:47,401 --> 00:05:51,881 Well, let us turn now to the book itself. 57 00:05:51,881 --> 00:05:55,721 I'd actually read the book years ago, well, glanced through it. 58 00:05:55,721 --> 00:06:00,401 Ray, my first husband, had picked a copy up in Paris. 59 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:03,241 To tell the truth, I wasn't really interested then, 60 00:06:03,241 --> 00:06:06,121 not that interested in other people's sex lives. 61 00:06:06,121 --> 00:06:08,761 I was too involved in our own, 62 00:06:08,761 --> 00:06:12,761 Ray's and mine. Then. 63 00:06:12,761 --> 00:06:18,161 It is, if I may summarise, the story of Lady Chatterley, 64 00:06:18,161 --> 00:06:22,041 a young woman whose husband is wounded in the First World War, 65 00:06:22,041 --> 00:06:27,961 paralysed from the waist downwards so that he is unable to have any sexual intercourse. 66 00:06:27,961 --> 00:06:34,761 It describes how this woman, deprived of sex from her husband, satisfies her sexual desires - 67 00:06:34,761 --> 00:06:39,281 a sex-starved girl - how she satisfies that starvation 68 00:06:39,281 --> 00:06:44,601 with a particularly sensual man who happens to be her husband's gamekeeper. 69 00:06:44,601 --> 00:06:51,041 There are, I think, 13 episodes of sexual intercourse described in the greatest detail. 70 00:06:51,041 --> 00:06:53,321 The curtains are never drawn. 71 00:06:53,321 --> 00:06:57,401 One follows them not only into the bedroom but into bed. 72 00:06:57,401 --> 00:07:00,401 But that is not strictly accurate, members of the jury, 73 00:07:00,401 --> 00:07:02,521 because one starts in my lady's boudoir, 74 00:07:02,521 --> 00:07:06,081 then one goes to the floor of a hut in the forest, 75 00:07:06,081 --> 00:07:11,241 then we see them again in the forest, in the undergrowth, in the pouring rain, 76 00:07:11,241 --> 00:07:15,761 both of them stark naked and dripping with raindrops. 77 00:07:15,761 --> 00:07:21,721 Then in the keeper's cottage, first in the evening on the hearthrug, then in the morning in bed. 78 00:07:21,721 --> 00:07:25,561 And then we move to Bloomsbury and we have it all over again 79 00:07:25,561 --> 00:07:28,641 in the attic of a Bloomsbury boarding house! 80 00:07:28,641 --> 00:07:33,361 When you read these passages you may well think that sex is dragged in 81 00:07:33,361 --> 00:07:38,361 at every conceivable opportunity and you may think that the story is little more than padding. 82 00:07:38,361 --> 00:07:43,481 Hmm. Now we come to the language. 83 00:07:43,481 --> 00:07:47,801 The book abounds in bawdy conversation. 84 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:50,801 These matters are not normally voiced in this court, 85 00:07:50,801 --> 00:07:56,281 but when it forms the whole subject matter of the prosecution, then we cannot avoid voicing them. 86 00:07:56,281 --> 00:08:02,761 The word fuck or fucking occurs no less than 30 times. 87 00:08:02,761 --> 00:08:05,401 Cunt...14 times. 88 00:08:05,401 --> 00:08:10,321 Balls...13 times. 89 00:08:10,321 --> 00:08:13,721 Shit and arse, six times apiece. 90 00:08:13,721 --> 00:08:15,721 Cock, four times. 91 00:08:15,721 --> 00:08:20,321 Piss, three times. And...so on. 92 00:08:20,321 --> 00:08:25,121 Lady Chatterley and the gamekeeper are, you may think, little more than bodies, 93 00:08:25,121 --> 00:08:29,001 bodies which continuously have sexual intercourse with each other. 94 00:08:29,001 --> 00:08:31,561 You will see, for example, on page seven... 95 00:08:31,561 --> 00:08:36,641 My Lord, I object! The Act says the book must be judged as a whole. 96 00:08:36,641 --> 00:08:41,961 To consider particular passages without having read the whole book would be to prejudge the issue. 97 00:08:41,961 --> 00:08:48,441 It was not my intention to prejudice or inflame the jury's minds before they read the book. 98 00:08:48,441 --> 00:08:51,041 No-one is suggesting that, Mr Griffith-Jones. 99 00:08:51,041 --> 00:08:58,041 But the book is charged as a whole, and perhaps the better course is for the jury to read the book first, 100 00:08:58,041 --> 00:09:03,481 before hearing evidence about the whole book or any particular passages in it. 101 00:09:03,481 --> 00:09:05,601 As Your Lordship pleases. 102 00:09:05,601 --> 00:09:11,721 Well, the question now, then, is the reading of the book, is it not? 103 00:09:11,721 --> 00:09:13,481 How shall that be done? 104 00:09:13,481 --> 00:09:16,481 Perhaps the jury should take the book home, my Lord? 105 00:09:16,481 --> 00:09:18,321 I think not. 106 00:09:18,321 --> 00:09:20,281 I think they should read it here. 107 00:09:20,281 --> 00:09:26,881 I am sorry, members of the jury, I don't want to condemn you to any kind of discomfort, 108 00:09:26,881 --> 00:09:31,001 but if you were to take the book home, there might be distractions. 109 00:09:31,001 --> 00:09:36,001 You should read the book through in the jury room, taking as much time as you need. 110 00:09:36,001 --> 00:09:38,001 I suppose it might take a day or two. 111 00:09:38,001 --> 00:09:41,721 Then we will all come back here and proceed with the case. 112 00:09:41,721 --> 00:09:43,681 All rise! 113 00:09:47,201 --> 00:09:50,761 Help yourselves to copies and make yourselves comfortable. 114 00:09:50,761 --> 00:09:53,601 The lunch break will be at 12.30. 115 00:09:53,601 --> 00:09:56,241 This is a bit of all right. Beats working, eh? 116 00:09:56,241 --> 00:10:00,641 There's to be no discussion until after you've completed your reading. 117 00:10:11,161 --> 00:10:17,121 "Ours is essentially a tragic age, so we refuse to take it tragically. 118 00:10:17,121 --> 00:10:19,241 "The cataclysm has happened..." 119 00:10:19,241 --> 00:10:21,961 "This was Constance Chatterley's position. 120 00:10:21,961 --> 00:10:24,361 "The war had brought the roof down over her head. 121 00:10:24,361 --> 00:10:27,241 "She had married Clifford Chatterley when he was home on leave. 122 00:10:27,241 --> 00:10:29,961 "They had a month's honeymoon, then he went back to Flanders 123 00:10:29,961 --> 00:10:34,121 "to be shipped over to England again, six months later, more or less in bits..." 124 00:10:34,121 --> 00:10:35,961 "He was not really downcast. 125 00:10:35,961 --> 00:10:40,241 "He had a bath-chair with a small motor attachment..." 126 00:10:40,241 --> 00:10:42,841 "I'm sorry we can't have a son, she said..." 127 00:10:42,841 --> 00:10:46,481 "It would be almost a good thing if you had a child by another man..." 128 00:10:46,481 --> 00:10:48,841 "This is the new gamekeeper, Mellors..." 129 00:10:48,841 --> 00:10:54,001 "The keeper's cottage looked uninhabited, it was so silent and alone. 130 00:10:54,001 --> 00:10:58,001 "She went round the side of the house, turned the corner and stopped. 131 00:10:58,001 --> 00:11:05,281 "In the little yard, two paces beyond her, the man was washing himself, utterly unaware. 132 00:11:05,281 --> 00:11:11,481 "He was naked to the hips, his velveteen breeches slipping down over his slender loins..." 133 00:11:27,041 --> 00:11:31,241 I didn't know where to look, when he was saying those words. 134 00:11:31,241 --> 00:11:34,921 Some people thought it was funny. I did laugh, I couldn't help it. 135 00:11:34,921 --> 00:11:39,721 It was just, I dunno, I'd never heard anyone say words like that in a posh voice. 136 00:11:39,721 --> 00:11:45,201 It was the absurdity of it. Yeah. Exactly. The place for words like that is the gutter, not in court. 137 00:11:45,201 --> 00:11:49,921 I don't see why he felt he had to say them out loud, we all know what they all are, after all. 138 00:11:49,921 --> 00:11:51,721 I call it rank bad taste. 139 00:11:51,721 --> 00:11:54,721 I suppose he felt he was doing his duty, like. 140 00:11:54,721 --> 00:11:59,641 I think he was enjoying himself no end. Like a little boy saying, "Pee-po belly bum drawers"! 141 00:12:04,521 --> 00:12:06,921 So what do we all think of the book so far? 142 00:12:06,921 --> 00:12:10,121 We're not supposed to discuss it until we've finished it. 143 00:12:10,121 --> 00:12:13,201 Come on, of course they know we're going to talk about it. 144 00:12:13,201 --> 00:12:16,881 Well, she certainly puts herself about a bit, don't she? Lady C. 145 00:12:16,881 --> 00:12:23,041 Two Germans, that Michaels bloke, and we haven't even got to the gamekeeper yet. 146 00:12:23,041 --> 00:12:26,881 Is that what the aristocracy's like? In my experience, yes. 147 00:12:26,881 --> 00:12:30,641 I suppose they've got the leisure time for it. Exactly. 148 00:12:30,641 --> 00:12:32,761 What do you think of it? 149 00:12:32,761 --> 00:12:35,761 I'm rather enjoying it, so far. 150 00:12:35,761 --> 00:12:39,321 Although he does make an awful song and dance about it. 151 00:12:39,321 --> 00:12:41,521 It's only sex, after all, isn't it? 152 00:12:49,961 --> 00:12:52,241 "One evening she escaped after tea. 153 00:12:52,241 --> 00:12:56,481 "It was late, and she fled across the park like one who fears to be called back. 154 00:12:56,481 --> 00:13:02,401 " 'I'd love to see the chicks!' she said, panting, glancing shyly at the keeper, almost unaware of him." 155 00:13:02,401 --> 00:13:05,401 "The man standing above her laughed, and crouched down, 156 00:13:05,401 --> 00:13:08,841 "and put his hand with quiet confidence slowly into the coop. 157 00:13:08,841 --> 00:13:12,921 "And slowly, softly, with sure, gentle fingers, 158 00:13:12,921 --> 00:13:19,401 "he felt among the bird's feathers and drew out a faintly-peeping chick in his closed hand..." 159 00:13:19,401 --> 00:13:22,081 "She took the drab little thing between her hands, 160 00:13:22,081 --> 00:13:25,561 "and there it stood, on its impossible little stalks of legs, 161 00:13:25,561 --> 00:13:29,801 "its atom of life trembling through its almost weightless feet into Connie's hands..." 162 00:13:29,801 --> 00:13:32,201 "Suddenly he saw a tear fall on her wrist. 163 00:13:32,201 --> 00:13:35,841 "Her face was averted, and she was crying blindly. 164 00:13:35,841 --> 00:13:41,361 "His heart melted suddenly, and he put out his hand and laid his fingers on her knee. 165 00:13:41,361 --> 00:13:44,361 " 'You shouldn't cry,' he said softly. 166 00:13:44,361 --> 00:13:52,081 "He laid his hand on her shoulder, and softly, gently, it began to travel down the curve of her back, 167 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:58,041 "blindly, with a blind stroking motion, to the curve of her loins, 168 00:13:58,041 --> 00:14:02,961 "and there his hand, softly, softly, stroked the curve of her flank, 169 00:14:02,961 --> 00:14:05,681 "in the blind instinctive caress." 170 00:14:11,441 --> 00:14:14,681 Funny old way to spend a day. Yeah, I'll say. 171 00:14:14,681 --> 00:14:16,521 Better than work, though. 172 00:14:16,521 --> 00:14:19,321 I'm Helena, by the way. Keith. 173 00:14:19,321 --> 00:14:22,361 Pleased to meet you, Keith. 174 00:14:22,361 --> 00:14:26,121 So, what's the work you're not doing today? Invoice clerk. 175 00:14:26,121 --> 00:14:27,641 For a wholesale grocers. 176 00:14:27,641 --> 00:14:30,321 Don't you like it? I hate it. 177 00:14:30,321 --> 00:14:33,801 Same thing over and over again - adding up, adding up, adding up, 178 00:14:33,801 --> 00:14:37,841 then the supervisor checks 'em all on an adding machine. It's all pointless. 179 00:14:37,841 --> 00:14:40,001 They'll replace us all with machines. 180 00:14:40,001 --> 00:14:42,721 I can't wait. What'll you do then? 181 00:14:42,721 --> 00:14:44,841 Dunno. 182 00:14:44,841 --> 00:14:47,401 Maybe I'll retrain as a gamekeeper! 183 00:14:47,401 --> 00:14:50,761 Well, it does sound like rather a good job. 184 00:14:50,761 --> 00:14:53,161 Are you married, Keith? 185 00:14:53,161 --> 00:14:56,921 I am, as it happens, yeah. Are you? 186 00:14:56,921 --> 00:15:02,001 Yes and no. In the process of divorcing, just waiting for my papers to come through. 187 00:15:02,001 --> 00:15:05,361 Oh, right. My life's in a sort of limbo at the moment. 188 00:15:05,361 --> 00:15:11,801 No proper home. I'm living in a little flat over a shop, just round the corner actually. Oh, yeah? 189 00:15:11,801 --> 00:15:13,561 I, er, I turn off here. 190 00:15:15,561 --> 00:15:18,201 Are you in a hurry, Keith? 191 00:15:18,201 --> 00:15:23,481 No, not especially. There's something I'd like to show you...something I saw this morning. 192 00:15:23,481 --> 00:15:26,281 It's just down here. 193 00:15:26,281 --> 00:15:27,761 All right, then. 194 00:15:35,801 --> 00:15:38,321 Look. Chicks. 195 00:15:44,241 --> 00:15:46,481 Open your hands. 196 00:15:50,401 --> 00:15:53,121 Don't you like it? I dunno. 197 00:15:54,641 --> 00:15:58,881 I don't wanna hurt it. You won't hurt it. 198 00:15:58,881 --> 00:16:00,481 There. 199 00:16:03,121 --> 00:16:05,521 Look, what is this? 200 00:16:07,201 --> 00:16:12,241 You know what it is. Look, I'd better get going. 201 00:16:14,921 --> 00:16:17,921 I thought we might have a cup of tea. You haven't got time? 202 00:16:17,921 --> 00:16:20,441 No, I think I'd...you know, 203 00:16:20,441 --> 00:16:23,441 better get going. OK, then. 204 00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:25,881 See you in court tomorrow. Yeah. 205 00:16:25,881 --> 00:16:28,401 See you tomorrow. 206 00:16:46,001 --> 00:16:48,201 So what was it like, then? 207 00:16:48,201 --> 00:16:51,281 It was all right. Did you get your dinner? Yeah. 208 00:16:51,281 --> 00:16:54,041 What was it like? It was all right. Not bad. 209 00:16:56,361 --> 00:17:00,201 So did you get on a case? Yeah. Was it a murder? 210 00:17:00,201 --> 00:17:01,921 No, nothing like that. 211 00:17:01,921 --> 00:17:04,401 What, then? 212 00:17:04,401 --> 00:17:08,921 We're not supposed to discuss it. Come on, you can tell me. 213 00:17:10,001 --> 00:17:13,521 It's about a book. Lady Chatterley's Lover. 214 00:17:13,521 --> 00:17:16,641 We've got to read it and decide if it should be banned. 215 00:17:16,641 --> 00:17:19,881 That's supposed to be the most disgusting book out! 216 00:17:19,881 --> 00:17:21,761 And you're reading it! Yeah. 217 00:17:21,761 --> 00:17:24,481 The judge won't let the case start till we've read it. 218 00:17:24,481 --> 00:17:28,161 So I've been hard at work all day, you've been reading a dirty book! 219 00:17:28,161 --> 00:17:30,441 Yeah, that's right. 220 00:17:30,441 --> 00:17:32,041 What's it like? 221 00:17:32,041 --> 00:17:34,601 It's all right. 222 00:17:34,601 --> 00:17:37,001 I like it, as it happens. Dirty bugger. 223 00:17:40,321 --> 00:17:42,041 What? 224 00:17:42,041 --> 00:17:46,321 What's the matter? I dunno. Nothing. 225 00:18:04,241 --> 00:18:06,041 You know what it is. 226 00:18:31,361 --> 00:18:34,001 "He held her fast and she felt his urgency... 227 00:18:34,001 --> 00:18:38,281 "She saw his eyes, tense and brilliant, fierce, not loving... 228 00:18:38,281 --> 00:18:39,961 "But her will had left her... 229 00:18:39,961 --> 00:18:44,281 "For a moment he was still inside her, turgid there and quivering. 230 00:18:44,281 --> 00:18:47,681 "Then as he began to move, in the sudden, helpless orgasm, 231 00:18:47,681 --> 00:18:51,361 "there awoke in her new strange thrills rippling inside her. 232 00:18:51,361 --> 00:18:55,641 "Rippling, rippling, rippling, 233 00:18:55,641 --> 00:19:01,441 "like a flapping overlapping of soft flames, soft as feathers, 234 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:06,401 "running to points of brilliance, exquisite, exquisite, 235 00:19:06,401 --> 00:19:09,321 "and melting her all molten inside... 236 00:19:09,321 --> 00:19:13,001 "And as it subsided, he subsided too and lay utterly still, unknowing, 237 00:19:13,001 --> 00:19:15,921 "while her grip on him slowly relaxed, and she lay inert. 238 00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:19,561 "And they lay, and knew nothing, not even of each other, both lost. 239 00:19:19,561 --> 00:19:22,041 " 'It's good when it's like that,' he said. 240 00:19:22,041 --> 00:19:26,161 " 'Most folks live their whole life through and they never know it.' " 241 00:19:44,921 --> 00:19:46,361 I thought I'd missed you. 242 00:19:48,241 --> 00:19:49,921 Well, now you've caught me. 243 00:19:49,921 --> 00:19:52,681 We could have that cup of tea today if you wanted to. 244 00:19:54,001 --> 00:19:55,961 Sure you're not wanted at home? 245 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:59,961 No, Sylvia doesn't get home from work till half-past-six. 246 00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:03,881 OK, then. 247 00:20:35,921 --> 00:20:37,401 Now what? 248 00:20:44,441 --> 00:20:47,241 'Members of the jury,' 249 00:20:47,241 --> 00:20:52,041 you have heard from my learned friend the nature of the case for the prosecution. 250 00:20:52,041 --> 00:20:55,961 He has told you in general terms what the book is about, 251 00:20:55,961 --> 00:21:03,681 he has told you that it is full of repeated descriptions of sexual intercourse, and so it is. 252 00:21:04,641 --> 00:21:09,321 He has told you it contains many four-letter words, and so it does. 253 00:21:09,321 --> 00:21:11,361 Sorry, too many things. 254 00:21:11,361 --> 00:21:16,121 You may be asking yourselves, why should any publisher want to publish such a book? 255 00:21:17,041 --> 00:21:22,161 Well, Allen Lane, Sir Allen Lane as he is now, 256 00:21:22,161 --> 00:21:24,321 founded Penguin Books 257 00:21:24,321 --> 00:21:29,841 so that ordinary people could buy all the great books in our literature 258 00:21:29,841 --> 00:21:32,921 at a reasonable cost. 259 00:21:32,921 --> 00:21:35,241 The whole of Shakespeare, 260 00:21:35,241 --> 00:21:39,681 the whole of Shaw, and now the whole of Lawrence. 261 00:21:39,681 --> 00:21:45,161 Few people will disagree that Lawrence is one of the greatest writers of this century, 262 00:21:45,161 --> 00:21:48,641 and Lady Chatterley's Lover is an essential novel 263 00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:54,161 if we are to properly understand what Lawrence had to say, 264 00:21:54,161 --> 00:21:57,681 and to properly understand Lady Chatterley's Lover, 265 00:21:57,681 --> 00:22:00,321 we must be able to read it... 266 00:22:00,321 --> 00:22:05,921 unexpurgated - to read the book Lawrence actually wrote. 267 00:22:05,921 --> 00:22:09,881 It is a book about England, 268 00:22:09,881 --> 00:22:11,561 about our society. 269 00:22:13,121 --> 00:22:17,721 Lawrence wanted to say something about our society in this book. 270 00:22:17,721 --> 00:22:23,081 He thought the ills in our society would not be cured by political action, 271 00:22:23,081 --> 00:22:29,401 that the remedy lay in the restoration of right relations between human beings, 272 00:22:29,401 --> 00:22:32,521 particularly in the union, 273 00:22:32,521 --> 00:22:35,241 the physical union, 274 00:22:35,241 --> 00:22:38,401 between man and woman. 275 00:22:59,721 --> 00:23:02,161 Are you all right, Keith? 276 00:23:02,161 --> 00:23:04,641 Not regretting it, I hope? No. 277 00:23:06,201 --> 00:23:07,641 I'm just... 278 00:23:10,561 --> 00:23:13,241 I've never done anything like this before. 279 00:23:15,401 --> 00:23:17,321 Oh, dear. 280 00:23:17,321 --> 00:23:19,441 Have I corrupted you? No. 281 00:23:21,161 --> 00:23:22,681 I didn't mean that. 282 00:23:26,321 --> 00:23:28,361 I thought about doing it with you, 283 00:23:28,361 --> 00:23:30,361 yesterday and today. Did you? 284 00:23:30,361 --> 00:23:32,561 Of course I did. Couldn't you tell? 285 00:23:32,561 --> 00:23:34,561 I thought it was just me. Oh, no. 286 00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:36,561 I've never met anyone like you before. 287 00:23:39,041 --> 00:23:41,361 You don't know me yet, Keith. 288 00:23:41,361 --> 00:23:43,881 Yeah, I do. 289 00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:45,761 In one way, I do. 290 00:23:47,721 --> 00:23:49,841 Yes. 291 00:23:49,841 --> 00:23:51,321 Yes, you do. 292 00:23:57,561 --> 00:24:00,521 Could I see you? 293 00:24:00,521 --> 00:24:02,041 All of you? 294 00:24:03,521 --> 00:24:05,361 Yes, of course. 295 00:24:05,361 --> 00:24:09,401 You could have before, it was just we seemed to be in rather a hurry. 296 00:24:09,401 --> 00:24:11,601 Help me. 297 00:24:27,801 --> 00:24:29,801 Now I feel shy. 298 00:24:35,761 --> 00:24:37,241 Now you. 299 00:24:47,321 --> 00:24:49,401 You're beautiful. 300 00:25:07,921 --> 00:25:10,241 DOOR SLAMS 301 00:25:12,481 --> 00:25:15,321 Keith? In here! 302 00:25:15,321 --> 00:25:18,201 What you doing in there with the door locked? Nothing. 303 00:25:18,201 --> 00:25:22,081 Just having a wash. Having a wash? What's that all about? 304 00:25:25,601 --> 00:25:28,481 Just felt like it. It's stuffy in that jury room. 305 00:25:28,481 --> 00:25:30,641 Stuffy, sweaty. Everyone smoking. 306 00:25:30,641 --> 00:25:33,721 And reading that dirty book. You feel dirty. 307 00:25:33,721 --> 00:25:36,761 You've got very particular. I've always been particular. 308 00:25:36,761 --> 00:25:38,521 I'm not complaining. Kiss? 309 00:25:40,081 --> 00:25:44,761 # Old Keith Gray, he's a funny 'un Got a face like a pickled onion 310 00:25:44,761 --> 00:25:48,041 # Got a nose like a squashed tomato and legs like matchsticks! # 311 00:25:48,041 --> 00:25:49,521 Oi! 312 00:25:52,161 --> 00:25:54,441 You do smell lovely and clean. 313 00:25:58,281 --> 00:26:01,641 I'm doing your favourite tonight. Yeah? 314 00:26:03,961 --> 00:26:06,921 'I call Sir Allen Lane.' 315 00:26:06,921 --> 00:26:12,361 Sir Allen, when you founded Penguin Books, what was the idea you had in mind? 316 00:26:12,361 --> 00:26:17,521 My idea was to produce a book which would sell for the price of ten cigarettes, 317 00:26:17,521 --> 00:26:21,201 For people like myself, who left school at 16 or earlier, 318 00:26:21,201 --> 00:26:25,041 my idea was it would be another form of education. 319 00:26:25,041 --> 00:26:27,441 And what about this particular book? 320 00:26:27,441 --> 00:26:30,441 We wanted to round off our DH Lawrence collection. 321 00:26:30,441 --> 00:26:33,401 Very important writer, very important book. 322 00:26:33,401 --> 00:26:35,241 I felt it had to be done. 323 00:26:35,241 --> 00:26:38,121 Did you consider publishing an expurgated version? 324 00:26:38,121 --> 00:26:41,161 No. All our books are published as the author wrote them. 325 00:26:41,161 --> 00:26:44,961 I wouldn't consider doing it any other way. Thank you, Sir Allen. 326 00:26:48,881 --> 00:26:52,961 Sir Allen, I have read a newspaper report, in the Manchester Guardian, 327 00:26:52,961 --> 00:26:57,281 in which you expressed an opinion that Lady Chatterley's Lover is no great novel. 328 00:26:57,281 --> 00:26:59,041 Was that your view? 329 00:26:59,041 --> 00:27:03,281 No, it was not. As I said, I think it is a very important novel. 330 00:27:03,281 --> 00:27:06,721 And you don't recall ever expressing any other view? 331 00:27:06,721 --> 00:27:08,321 No, I do not. 332 00:27:08,321 --> 00:27:11,841 I do remember saying I might go to prison for publishing it, 333 00:27:11,841 --> 00:27:15,761 and I am prepared to go to prison if the case goes against us, 334 00:27:15,761 --> 00:27:19,241 because I am sure it is quite right to publish it. 335 00:27:19,241 --> 00:27:20,921 No further questions. 336 00:27:23,801 --> 00:27:26,801 My Lord, I want to make clear that calling witnesses 337 00:27:26,801 --> 00:27:33,121 to the literary merit of this book is not in any sense an admission that the book is obscene. 338 00:27:33,121 --> 00:27:35,241 That is understood. 339 00:27:35,241 --> 00:27:37,281 I call Mr Graham Hough. 340 00:27:44,121 --> 00:27:48,801 You are lecturer in English and Fellow of Christ's College, Cambridge? 341 00:27:48,801 --> 00:27:52,721 And you are the author of The Dark Sun, a study of DH Lawrence? 342 00:27:52,721 --> 00:27:57,321 That's right. Will you tell us something of Lawrence's place in English literature? 343 00:27:57,321 --> 00:28:01,801 He's the most important novelist of this century and one of the greatest novelists of any century. 344 00:28:01,801 --> 00:28:05,641 I don't think that's disputed. And where would you place this book? 345 00:28:05,641 --> 00:28:09,561 I don't think it's the best of his novels, nor the least good, either. 346 00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:13,401 It has been said by my learned friend that, "Sex is dragged in 347 00:28:13,401 --> 00:28:17,041 "at every opportunity, and that the plot is little more than padding." 348 00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:20,881 If that were true, would it be a serious criticism of the book? 349 00:28:20,881 --> 00:28:24,441 If it were true, it would be, but in my view it's utterly false. 350 00:28:24,441 --> 00:28:29,841 The sexual passages may be the heart of the book, but they only occupy some 30 pages in a book of 300. 351 00:28:29,841 --> 00:28:33,441 The book is about much more than a series of sexual acts. 352 00:28:33,441 --> 00:28:35,401 What about the four-letter words? 353 00:28:35,401 --> 00:28:40,721 In Lawrence's view there is no proper language to speak of sexual matters. He is trying to redeem 354 00:28:40,721 --> 00:28:45,761 the traditional words, now considered obscene, and to use them in an entirely serious context. 355 00:28:45,761 --> 00:28:51,521 I don't think he is successful, but that's what Lawrence was trying to do. Thank you. 356 00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:56,801 You have told us, Mr Hough, that this is not Lawrence's best book. 357 00:28:56,801 --> 00:29:01,081 Do you know of the writer Katherine Anne Porter? 358 00:29:01,081 --> 00:29:04,121 She's a distinguished American short-story writer. 359 00:29:04,121 --> 00:29:08,761 Just so. This is what she wrote about Lady Chatterley's Lover. 360 00:29:08,761 --> 00:29:14,361 "A dreary, sad performance, with some passages of unintentional hilarious low comedy, 361 00:29:14,361 --> 00:29:20,841 "one scene at least simply beyond belief in a book written with such inflamed apostolic solemnity." 362 00:29:20,841 --> 00:29:25,121 What do you think of that judgement? Obviously, I disagree with it. 363 00:29:25,121 --> 00:29:29,601 She goes on to say, "This is the fevered daydream of a dying man, 364 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:35,521 "sitting under his umbrella pines in Italy, indulging his sexual fantasies." 365 00:29:35,521 --> 00:29:40,521 Might this not be, in fact, the fevered daydream of a dying man? 366 00:29:40,521 --> 00:29:44,761 Lawrence wasn't dying when he wrote this book. He died some two years later. 367 00:29:44,761 --> 00:29:47,041 He was ill when he wrote the book. 368 00:29:47,041 --> 00:29:49,001 Thank you. 369 00:29:49,001 --> 00:29:53,601 Now, would you agree that a good book by a good writer, 370 00:29:53,601 --> 00:29:57,201 generally speaking, should not repeat things again and again? 371 00:29:57,201 --> 00:29:59,201 It's a tiresome habit, is it not? 372 00:29:59,201 --> 00:30:04,521 Not necessarily. Repetition can be used to great literary and emotional effect. 373 00:30:04,521 --> 00:30:06,721 There is a great deal of it in the Bible. 374 00:30:06,721 --> 00:30:11,041 I am talking about this book at the moment. Have you a copy of it? Yes. 375 00:30:11,041 --> 00:30:14,921 Could you look at page 177? 376 00:30:14,921 --> 00:30:18,081 I will read it to you, if the court will forgive 377 00:30:18,081 --> 00:30:21,721 my miserable attempt to pronounce the local dialect. 378 00:30:21,721 --> 00:30:25,201 " 'Th'art good cunt, though, aren't ter? 379 00:30:25,201 --> 00:30:30,041 " 'Best bit o' cunt left on earth. When ter likes! When tha'rt willin!' 380 00:30:30,441 --> 00:30:32,441 " 'What is cunt?' she said. 381 00:30:32,441 --> 00:30:35,201 " 'An' doesn't ter know? Cunt!' # 382 00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:38,121 I need not go on reading. Just glance down the page. 383 00:30:38,121 --> 00:30:44,921 Cunt appears, fuck appears, cunt appears, fuck appears, all in the space of about 12 lines. 384 00:30:44,921 --> 00:30:49,361 Is that a realistic conversation, even between the gamekeeper and the baronet's wife? 385 00:30:49,361 --> 00:30:51,481 Is this a good piece of writing? 386 00:30:51,481 --> 00:30:54,961 I don't think it's successful, but I can see what he's trying to do. 387 00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:58,761 I am not asking you what he is trying to do! Is it a good piece of writing? 388 00:30:58,761 --> 00:31:01,521 Er, well, I think it's a failure. 389 00:31:01,521 --> 00:31:05,001 You agree with me in this, that in this book of such high merit, 390 00:31:05,001 --> 00:31:08,481 there is at least one passage of very low merit? 391 00:31:08,481 --> 00:31:10,561 Yes... Thank you, Mr Hough. 392 00:31:12,961 --> 00:31:16,001 Well, he made mincemeat out of him. 393 00:31:16,001 --> 00:31:18,801 Mr Hough did seem to be on the defensive, rather. 394 00:31:18,801 --> 00:31:21,441 He left him in tatters, no contest. 395 00:31:21,441 --> 00:31:24,121 I think he should have stood up for that passage. 396 00:31:24,121 --> 00:31:26,121 It's a playful sort of conversation, 397 00:31:26,121 --> 00:31:28,721 between two lovers who know each other very well? 398 00:31:28,721 --> 00:31:34,081 He's teasing her, making a thing about the class difference, and she's playing up to it. 399 00:31:34,081 --> 00:31:41,881 When she says, "What is...?" You know - she's playing a game. Of course she knows what it is, really. 400 00:31:41,881 --> 00:31:45,481 But a lady would never say that word. I think she might. 401 00:31:45,481 --> 00:31:49,081 It's the middle classes that are prudish about four-letter words. 402 00:31:49,081 --> 00:31:53,841 The aristocracy use them just as freely as the lower classes. There you are. 403 00:31:53,841 --> 00:31:57,161 Well, I don't like having my nose rubbed in it. 404 00:31:58,721 --> 00:32:01,241 What a curious thing to say. 405 00:32:01,241 --> 00:32:03,201 It's only a book, after all. 406 00:32:03,201 --> 00:32:05,201 Books can't harm you, can they? 407 00:32:05,201 --> 00:32:07,521 I think that's what we're here to decide. 408 00:32:07,521 --> 00:32:09,561 About this particular book, I mean. 409 00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:12,801 Yes, I suppose we are. 410 00:32:12,801 --> 00:32:18,081 Miss Gardner, you are Reader in Renaissance Literature at Oxford University. 411 00:32:18,081 --> 00:32:20,081 What do you think of DH Lawrence? 412 00:32:20,081 --> 00:32:22,801 He is one of the greatest writers of the 20th century. 413 00:32:22,801 --> 00:32:26,681 You are not, I think, an admirer of this particular book? 414 00:32:26,681 --> 00:32:28,641 I think it's a remarkable book. 415 00:32:28,641 --> 00:32:30,841 I don't think it's a wholly successful novel, 416 00:32:30,841 --> 00:32:35,401 although I think certain passages are amongst the greatest things that he ever wrote. 417 00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:42,841 It has been said in court that the four-letter words form the whole subject matter for the prosecution, 418 00:32:42,841 --> 00:32:47,441 and that the words fuck or fucking occur not less than 30 times. 419 00:32:47,441 --> 00:32:55,121 Now, what, in your view, is the relation of the four-letter words in this book to its literary merit? 420 00:32:55,121 --> 00:33:00,201 I don't think any words are disgusting or obscene in themselves. 421 00:33:00,201 --> 00:33:05,921 It depends on the context, and I would say that by the end of the book Lawrence goes very far 422 00:33:05,921 --> 00:33:11,761 to redeem this word and make one feel that it is the only word that the character could use. 423 00:33:11,761 --> 00:33:17,841 By the time one gets to the last page, one feels that this word has taken on a great depth of meaning. 424 00:33:17,841 --> 00:33:22,681 You said that certain passages are some of the greatest things that Lawrence wrote. 425 00:33:22,681 --> 00:33:24,961 Which passages did you have in mind? 426 00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:27,681 Some of the passages which describe the sexual act 427 00:33:27,681 --> 00:33:35,081 and some of the passages in which the characters talk about sexual relations between men and women. 428 00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,361 Including four-letter words? 429 00:33:37,361 --> 00:33:45,121 Yes. I think Lawrence succeeds, far beyond expectation, in communicating an experience of great importance 430 00:33:45,121 --> 00:33:52,161 and great value, which very few other writers have really attempted with such courage and devotion. 431 00:33:52,161 --> 00:33:54,161 Thank you. 432 00:33:54,761 --> 00:33:57,281 Mr Griffith-Jones? 433 00:34:07,361 --> 00:34:08,801 No questions, Your Honour. 434 00:34:10,721 --> 00:34:16,121 So...she liked the dirty bits best! 435 00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:20,081 Miss Helen Gardner, eh? Wonder what she knows about it! 436 00:34:20,081 --> 00:34:25,441 Must be more to her than meets the eye! Your friend Mr Griffith-Jones was rendered speechless. 437 00:34:25,441 --> 00:34:29,401 Well, I'm not surprised, old bird like that sticking up for the dirty bits. 438 00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:31,441 They're not dirty bits. 439 00:34:31,441 --> 00:34:34,481 Oh, I beg your pardon. What would you call them, then? 440 00:34:34,481 --> 00:34:36,281 I can't remember how she put it. 441 00:34:36,281 --> 00:34:41,721 She said those passages communicate an experience of great importance, 442 00:34:41,721 --> 00:34:44,481 and very few writers have even attempted it. 443 00:34:44,481 --> 00:34:47,001 And what's the point of that? 444 00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:50,081 We all know...what it's like. 445 00:34:50,081 --> 00:34:55,321 What's the point in going on about it, except to get people feeling fruity. Excuse me. 446 00:34:55,321 --> 00:34:58,001 I call 'em dirty bits cos that's what they are. 447 00:34:58,001 --> 00:35:00,961 Sex doesn't have to be dirty. Oh, pardon me, Vicar! 448 00:35:00,961 --> 00:35:05,041 That's the whole thing what he's on about in the book. I stand corrected! 449 00:35:07,521 --> 00:35:10,121 D'you fancy a breath of fresh air? 450 00:35:11,321 --> 00:35:12,761 All right. 451 00:35:24,041 --> 00:35:25,481 Well. 452 00:35:29,801 --> 00:35:31,681 Horrible man. 453 00:35:31,681 --> 00:35:34,361 I liked it, when you told him off. 454 00:35:34,361 --> 00:35:37,041 I didn't have the words to do it properly. 455 00:35:37,041 --> 00:35:39,281 I felt like smacking him one on the nose. 456 00:35:39,281 --> 00:35:41,601 I think people knew what you meant. 457 00:35:41,601 --> 00:35:43,841 She was good, that woman. 458 00:35:43,841 --> 00:35:46,681 Miss Helen Gardner. It was brave of her. 459 00:35:46,681 --> 00:35:51,161 Of course people are going to say, "What does she know about it, an old spinster like that?" 460 00:35:51,161 --> 00:35:53,001 Yeah. I thought that too. 461 00:35:53,001 --> 00:35:55,441 I liked what you said. 462 00:35:57,121 --> 00:36:01,121 Were you thinking about you and me? Yeah. 463 00:36:03,041 --> 00:36:04,961 And them in the book. 464 00:36:09,161 --> 00:36:14,001 The first time me and you talked, and you said, "It's only just sex, isn't it?" 465 00:36:14,001 --> 00:36:16,161 I thought that sounded so sophisticated. 466 00:36:16,161 --> 00:36:17,681 I was just trying to be smart. 467 00:36:17,681 --> 00:36:21,241 Cos it's never only sex, though, is it? I mean, 468 00:36:21,241 --> 00:36:24,241 it's not really something you can say "it's only" about. 469 00:36:24,241 --> 00:36:26,361 There's always more to it than that. 470 00:36:28,401 --> 00:36:31,361 It shakes you up. 471 00:36:31,361 --> 00:36:35,921 Turns you inside out...sometimes. 472 00:36:37,681 --> 00:36:39,961 Yes. 473 00:36:57,801 --> 00:37:00,321 Mrs Bennett, you're a Fellow of Girton College, 474 00:37:00,321 --> 00:37:03,321 you teach young people, you have children of your own. 475 00:37:03,321 --> 00:37:07,361 What view do you think this book puts forward about marriage? 476 00:37:07,361 --> 00:37:11,441 That it should be a complete relationship, including the physical. 477 00:37:11,441 --> 00:37:14,641 And that one party in the marriage can go off and have affairs? 478 00:37:14,641 --> 00:37:19,401 Lawrence believed that if it was a complete sham, then the marriage vows could be broken. 479 00:37:19,401 --> 00:37:21,401 Oh, I see. 480 00:37:21,401 --> 00:37:26,321 But in fact he shows the woman breaking her marriage vows without any compunction at all, 481 00:37:26,321 --> 00:37:28,321 without even telling her husband. 482 00:37:28,321 --> 00:37:32,121 And isn't that indeed what Lawrence himself did? 483 00:37:32,121 --> 00:37:36,001 He ran off with his friend's wife, didn't he? Yes, he did, but... 484 00:37:36,001 --> 00:37:39,481 And it's just this type of behaviour that's depicted in this book? 485 00:37:39,481 --> 00:37:43,081 A woman is shown... A man running off with another man's wife! 486 00:37:43,081 --> 00:37:46,001 The whole book is about that subject, is it not? Adultery! 487 00:37:46,001 --> 00:37:51,081 Infidelity! Without a hint that there might be something wrong in the act of adultery. 488 00:37:51,081 --> 00:37:56,401 Without a hint that there might be something dishonest, something cruel about infidelity. 489 00:37:56,401 --> 00:37:58,481 If you put it like that... Thank you. 490 00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:06,641 Mrs Bennett, it is clear from the book that the husband told her to go and have a child by another man. 491 00:38:06,641 --> 00:38:08,641 Yes. 492 00:38:08,641 --> 00:38:13,561 And I would like to add, respecting Lawrence's own conduct, 493 00:38:13,561 --> 00:38:17,041 that his own marriage lasted the whole of his life. 494 00:38:30,801 --> 00:38:32,481 What's the matter? 495 00:38:32,481 --> 00:38:35,401 Nothing. I thought you liked rissoles. 496 00:38:35,401 --> 00:38:38,761 I do like rissoles. I was just thinking. 497 00:38:38,761 --> 00:38:40,841 Thinking what? Nah... No, go on. 498 00:38:40,841 --> 00:38:43,961 I like to know what thoughts are going on in the great brain. 499 00:38:43,961 --> 00:38:45,681 I haven't got a great brain. 500 00:38:45,681 --> 00:38:48,721 Sometimes I think I haven't got a brain at all. 501 00:38:48,721 --> 00:38:51,521 Well, that proves it, doesn't it, thinking that? 502 00:38:51,521 --> 00:38:53,721 That's a deep thought. 503 00:38:53,721 --> 00:38:58,881 I don't think thoughts like that. I just think thoughts like, "What are we going to have for supper?" 504 00:38:58,881 --> 00:39:04,521 What were you thinking about? I was thinking...you know, DH Lawrence? 505 00:39:04,521 --> 00:39:06,561 He ran off with his friend's wife. 506 00:39:06,561 --> 00:39:09,001 I'm not surprised, what I've heard about him. 507 00:39:09,001 --> 00:39:11,841 They got married, and they stayed married till he died. 508 00:39:11,841 --> 00:39:13,681 I'm glad to hear it. 509 00:39:18,961 --> 00:39:21,881 'Call the Bishop of Woolwich.' 510 00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:28,841 Bishop, what, if any, would you say, are the moral or ethical values of this book? 511 00:39:28,841 --> 00:39:31,481 Lawrence didn't have a Christian view of sex, 512 00:39:31,481 --> 00:39:35,881 and the sexual relationship depicted in the book is not one that I would regard as ideal, 513 00:39:35,881 --> 00:39:42,161 but what I think Lawrence is trying to do is to portray the sex act as something essentially sacred. 514 00:39:42,161 --> 00:39:44,241 Archbishop William Temple once... 515 00:39:44,241 --> 00:39:48,241 Just a moment, Bishop, I just want to get this right. 516 00:39:48,241 --> 00:39:51,241 He was trying to portray the sex relation...? 517 00:39:51,241 --> 00:39:56,561 As something essentially sacred. Yes, I thought that was it. 518 00:39:58,161 --> 00:40:02,601 Go on. I was about to quote Archbishop William Temple. 519 00:40:02,601 --> 00:40:06,241 He once said that Christians didn't make jokes about sex 520 00:40:06,241 --> 00:40:10,201 for the same reason as they didn't make jokes about Holy Communion - 521 00:40:10,201 --> 00:40:13,841 not that it is sordid, but because it is sacred. 522 00:40:13,841 --> 00:40:16,441 And I think that is how Lawrence saw it. 523 00:40:16,441 --> 00:40:18,401 I see. 524 00:40:18,401 --> 00:40:25,801 It has been suggested that Lawrence places upon a pedestal promiscuous and adulterous intercourse. 525 00:40:25,801 --> 00:40:28,001 That seems a distorted way of looking at it. 526 00:40:28,001 --> 00:40:34,161 If the jury read the last two pages, for example, there is a most moving advocacy of chastity, 527 00:40:34,161 --> 00:40:40,001 and I think the effect of the book as a whole is against, rather than for, promiscuity. 528 00:40:42,561 --> 00:40:49,721 Bishop, are you asking the jury to accept that this book is a valuable work on ethics? 529 00:40:49,721 --> 00:40:56,561 It doesn't set out to be a work on ethics, but it does have ethical values. 530 00:40:56,561 --> 00:41:00,561 Is it, in your view, a book which Christians ought to read? 531 00:41:00,561 --> 00:41:02,321 Yes, I think it is. 532 00:41:09,121 --> 00:41:10,481 No further questions. 533 00:41:16,481 --> 00:41:19,881 Well, I don't call him much of a bishop. 534 00:41:19,881 --> 00:41:22,201 Never heard anything like it in my life. 535 00:41:22,201 --> 00:41:27,201 The man's obviously some cranky fellow-travelling toady to the intelligentsia. 536 00:41:27,201 --> 00:41:29,401 I don't know where they found him. 537 00:41:29,401 --> 00:41:33,681 There must be at least two dozen bishops who wouldn't give that book house-room. 538 00:41:33,681 --> 00:41:38,361 I don't mind telling you, I'm getting sick of it, this parade of know-alls who, 539 00:41:38,361 --> 00:41:44,361 one after another tie themselves in knots trying to tell us that what is obviously a dirty book 540 00:41:44,361 --> 00:41:47,641 is something every boy and girl should read. 541 00:42:00,201 --> 00:42:01,761 What are you thinking? 542 00:42:03,921 --> 00:42:05,361 I dunno. 543 00:42:07,761 --> 00:42:10,281 I think maybe we should stop doing this. 544 00:42:12,841 --> 00:42:14,921 You're not tired of me already? 545 00:42:14,921 --> 00:42:16,681 No. 546 00:42:16,681 --> 00:42:19,321 Christ, no. 547 00:42:19,321 --> 00:42:22,321 But, you know - Sylvia. I don't want to hurt her. 548 00:42:22,321 --> 00:42:24,041 You don't have to. 549 00:42:24,041 --> 00:42:28,001 What she doesn't know can't hurt her, can it? Suppose not. 550 00:42:30,921 --> 00:42:33,481 What's she like - Sylvia? 551 00:42:33,481 --> 00:42:36,321 I've known her so long, it's hard for me to say. 552 00:42:37,281 --> 00:42:39,041 She's pretty. 553 00:42:39,041 --> 00:42:44,361 Year younger than me. We were going out together when she was 14 and I was 15. Childhood sweethearts. 554 00:42:44,361 --> 00:42:46,161 Yeah, if you like. 555 00:42:48,681 --> 00:42:51,321 D'you have good sex with her? 556 00:42:51,321 --> 00:42:53,321 Yeah. You know, it's all right. 557 00:42:53,321 --> 00:42:56,361 You don't have to answer me, it's none of my business. 558 00:42:56,361 --> 00:42:59,001 Yeah...it's fine, but, you know, 559 00:42:59,001 --> 00:43:03,801 I think we had our best moments a long time ago, maybe even before we did it properly. 560 00:43:03,801 --> 00:43:06,481 It was so exciting, getting to know each other, 561 00:43:06,481 --> 00:43:10,201 all that wrestling, getting to first base, second base, third base. 562 00:43:10,201 --> 00:43:11,961 She made me struggle for it, 563 00:43:11,961 --> 00:43:18,641 but it was like, I dunno, discovering hidden treasure, all bit by bit, each bit better than the last bit. 564 00:43:18,641 --> 00:43:21,681 All that went on for months, years. 565 00:43:21,681 --> 00:43:23,561 It sounds nice. 566 00:43:23,561 --> 00:43:26,561 An old-fashioned courtship. Yeah. 567 00:43:26,561 --> 00:43:28,601 Yeah, it was, I suppose. 568 00:43:28,601 --> 00:43:31,841 Not like him and her in the book. Or you and me. No. 569 00:43:33,321 --> 00:43:36,121 What about you? What was he like, your husband? 570 00:43:36,121 --> 00:43:40,761 Ray? I suppose you'd have to call him a charming bastard. 571 00:43:41,561 --> 00:43:46,201 He was married to someone else when I met him. Couldn't resist him. 572 00:43:46,201 --> 00:43:50,761 He was very good at all that, very good at sex as well. 573 00:43:50,761 --> 00:43:54,721 Not very good at paying the bills, not very good at telling the truth. 574 00:43:55,401 --> 00:43:57,761 I had a lot of fun with him. 575 00:43:57,761 --> 00:43:59,961 Actually, I adored him. 576 00:43:59,961 --> 00:44:03,681 It took me years to realise he was a cold-hearted bastard 577 00:44:03,681 --> 00:44:07,081 who didn't really give a damn about anyone but himself. 578 00:44:07,081 --> 00:44:09,241 Thank God we never had a child. 579 00:44:09,241 --> 00:44:12,081 Did he go with other women? 580 00:44:12,081 --> 00:44:13,921 I should say so. 581 00:44:13,921 --> 00:44:16,201 Mind you, I had affairs too. 582 00:44:16,201 --> 00:44:19,841 He didn't mind, because he didn't care. 583 00:44:19,841 --> 00:44:23,681 I pretended to be happy, even to myself, I think. 584 00:44:23,681 --> 00:44:25,761 And then I stopped pretending. 585 00:44:27,161 --> 00:44:28,881 So you're not happy? 586 00:44:30,521 --> 00:44:33,321 Oh, I've got nothing to complain about. 587 00:44:33,321 --> 00:44:36,121 I'm over him now. Much better off without him. 588 00:44:36,121 --> 00:44:38,161 I don't even hate him any more. 589 00:44:43,841 --> 00:44:48,441 Am I the first since you split up with him? No. 590 00:44:50,601 --> 00:44:52,961 The best, though. 591 00:44:54,081 --> 00:44:57,961 We're not going to stop this, are we? Not yet, anyway? 592 00:44:57,961 --> 00:45:00,521 No. 593 00:45:00,521 --> 00:45:03,281 I don't think I could. 594 00:45:03,281 --> 00:45:05,081 Nor me. 595 00:45:18,201 --> 00:45:20,321 Call Richard Hoggart. 596 00:45:31,401 --> 00:45:35,321 Mr Hoggart, would you tell us a little about yourself? 597 00:45:35,321 --> 00:45:38,321 I was born into the working class, in Leeds. 598 00:45:38,321 --> 00:45:41,921 I went to the local elementary school, and won a scholarship togrammar school, 599 00:45:41,921 --> 00:45:44,721 and then went on to university where I took an English degree. 600 00:45:44,721 --> 00:45:48,041 A background rather like Lawrence's own, then. 601 00:45:48,041 --> 00:45:52,041 Lawrence didn't go to university, he went to a teacher's training college. 602 00:45:52,041 --> 00:45:57,121 And perhaps there's something particular about a Nottinghamshire mining village upbringing. 603 00:45:57,121 --> 00:46:01,401 We're not all the same, us working class lads, you know. No, indeed. 604 00:46:01,401 --> 00:46:05,361 And you are now a Senior Lecturer in English at Leicester University, 605 00:46:05,361 --> 00:46:09,761 and you lecture on Lawrence to the young people under your care. Yes, I do. 606 00:46:09,761 --> 00:46:14,321 This book, Lady Chatterley's Lover, has been described in Court 607 00:46:14,321 --> 00:46:19,561 as little more than vicious indulgence in sex and sensuality. 608 00:46:19,561 --> 00:46:21,641 Is that a valid description of the book? 609 00:46:21,641 --> 00:46:23,721 Not at all. It is not vicious. 610 00:46:23,721 --> 00:46:27,481 It is highly virtuous, and if anything puritanical. 611 00:46:27,481 --> 00:46:29,801 Did you say... 612 00:46:29,801 --> 00:46:32,881 virtuous and puritanical? Yes, sir. 613 00:46:32,881 --> 00:46:35,161 I believe it's a very moral book. 614 00:46:35,161 --> 00:46:40,801 In fact, you could say that the physical, sexual side is not that important to Lawrence. 615 00:46:40,801 --> 00:46:42,481 I know that sounds paradoxical. 616 00:46:42,481 --> 00:46:47,721 What Lawrence is interested in is a relationship which is, in the deepest sense, spiritual. 617 00:46:47,721 --> 00:46:49,641 It's a kind of sacrament for him. 618 00:46:49,641 --> 00:46:54,241 So what exactly do you mean by saying that this is a moral book? 619 00:46:54,241 --> 00:46:59,281 I mean that the overwhelming impression I get, as a careful reader, 620 00:46:59,281 --> 00:47:05,761 is of the enormous reverence which must be paid by one human being to another in a physical relationship. 621 00:47:05,761 --> 00:47:10,241 These relationships are not matters in which we use each other like animals. 622 00:47:10,241 --> 00:47:13,801 This spirit seems to me to pervade the book throughout, 623 00:47:13,801 --> 00:47:18,481 and so I would call the book highly moral and not at all degrading of sex. 624 00:47:18,481 --> 00:47:22,401 And the four-letter words have been referred to. What is your view on them? 625 00:47:22,401 --> 00:47:28,401 They are part of the normal discourse of many people, and not only working class people. 626 00:47:28,401 --> 00:47:32,361 They are used very freely indeed in everyday life. 627 00:47:32,361 --> 00:47:37,241 50 yards from the court this morning I heard a man say "fuck" three times as he passed me. 628 00:47:37,241 --> 00:47:40,641 He said, "Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it!" as he went past. 629 00:47:40,641 --> 00:47:45,441 If you have worked on a building site, as I have, you will hear it over and over again. 630 00:47:45,441 --> 00:47:49,321 The word is used in contempt, of course, as a term of abuse. 631 00:47:49,321 --> 00:47:53,681 Lawrence wanted to re-establish its proper use. Which is? 632 00:47:53,681 --> 00:47:56,601 As the word for the sexual act. 633 00:47:56,601 --> 00:48:01,561 We have no word in English for it that isn't either a long abstraction, 634 00:48:01,561 --> 00:48:08,721 or a euphemism, and we're constantly running away from it, or dissolving into dots, in a passage like this. 635 00:48:08,721 --> 00:48:11,401 Lawrence wanted us to say, "This is what one does." 636 00:48:11,401 --> 00:48:16,601 In a simple, ordinary way, one fucks - with no sniggering or dirt. 637 00:48:16,601 --> 00:48:19,201 One fucks. 638 00:48:23,281 --> 00:48:29,441 I wonder, Mr Hoggart, do you belong to that body of people who oppose all prosecutions for obscenity? 639 00:48:29,441 --> 00:48:35,521 Not at all. But I do resent the fact that ordinary men and women should be prevented 640 00:48:35,521 --> 00:48:39,961 from reading a serious book by a great writer who has something of importance to say. 641 00:48:39,961 --> 00:48:41,641 I see. 642 00:48:41,641 --> 00:48:48,161 Now, you described this book as "highly virtuous, if not puritanical". 643 00:48:48,161 --> 00:48:52,881 That is your genuine and considered view, is it? Yes, it is. 644 00:48:52,881 --> 00:48:58,521 Well, perhaps I've spent my whole life under a misapprehension of the meaning of the word "puritanical". 645 00:48:58,521 --> 00:49:01,081 Can you enlighten me? 646 00:49:01,081 --> 00:49:04,441 Yes. Many people live their lives under the same misapprehension. 647 00:49:04,441 --> 00:49:06,681 This is the way that language decays. 648 00:49:06,681 --> 00:49:13,481 Today, the word has been extended to mean someone who's against anything pleasurable, particularly sex. 649 00:49:13,481 --> 00:49:18,441 Its true meaning is somebody who belongs to the tradition of British Puritanism, 650 00:49:18,441 --> 00:49:24,601 and the defining feature of that is an intense sense of responsibility for one's conscience. 651 00:49:24,601 --> 00:49:28,121 In this sense, the book is puritanical. 652 00:49:28,121 --> 00:49:30,721 I am obliged to you for that lecture. 653 00:49:30,721 --> 00:49:32,641 In fact, one could say... JUDGE MOANS 654 00:49:32,641 --> 00:49:36,281 Mr Hoggart, I don't want to stop you if you have something further to say, 655 00:49:36,281 --> 00:49:41,961 but the question I want to ask you is quite a simple one to answer without another lecture. 656 00:49:41,961 --> 00:49:44,881 We are not at Leicester University at the moment. 657 00:49:44,881 --> 00:49:51,241 Now I want to see more precisely what you describe as "puritanical". 658 00:49:51,241 --> 00:49:55,441 Would you look at page 222 of the book? 659 00:49:55,441 --> 00:50:01,241 Lady Chatterley is drying her hair in front of the fire, after one of their bouts, 660 00:50:01,241 --> 00:50:04,441 when he took her, and I quote, "like an animal. 661 00:50:04,441 --> 00:50:07,481 "He stroked her tail with his hand, 662 00:50:07,481 --> 00:50:12,681 "long and subtly taking in the curves and the globefulness. 663 00:50:12,681 --> 00:50:15,521 " 'Tha's got such a nice tail on thee. 664 00:50:15,521 --> 00:50:19,481 " 'It's the nicest, nicest woman's arse as is. 665 00:50:19,481 --> 00:50:22,801 " 'An' ivery bit of it is woman, woman, sure as nuts. 666 00:50:22,801 --> 00:50:28,441 " 'Thart not one of them button arsed lasses as should be lads, are ter! 667 00:50:28,441 --> 00:50:33,961 " 'Tha's got a real soft sloping bottom on thee, as a man loves in 'is guts.' " 668 00:50:33,961 --> 00:50:38,081 Is that a passage you would describe as "puritanical"? 669 00:50:38,081 --> 00:50:41,161 Yes, puritanical, and poignant, and tender. 670 00:50:41,161 --> 00:50:44,521 "All the while he spoke he exquisitely stroked the rounded tail, 671 00:50:44,521 --> 00:50:50,601 "till it seemed as if a slippery sort of fire came from it into his hand. 672 00:50:50,601 --> 00:50:56,161 "And his fingertips touched the two secret openings to her body, 673 00:50:56,161 --> 00:51:02,081 "time after time, with a soft little brush of fire." Is that puritanical? 674 00:51:02,081 --> 00:51:03,801 Yes, indeed it is. 675 00:51:03,801 --> 00:51:08,681 I see. " 'An' if tha shits an' if tha pisses, I'm glad. 676 00:51:08,681 --> 00:51:15,041 " 'I don't want a woman as couldna shit nor piss.' " Is that puritanical? Yes, it is. 677 00:51:15,041 --> 00:51:19,681 " 'Here tha shits and here tha pisses an' I lay my hand on 'em both and I like thee for it. 678 00:51:19,681 --> 00:51:23,761 " 'I like thee for it. Tha's got a proper woman's arse, proud of itself. 679 00:51:23,761 --> 00:51:26,561 " 'It's none ashamed of itself, this isna." 680 00:51:26,561 --> 00:51:33,241 "He laid his hand close and firm over her secret places, in a kind of close greeting." 681 00:51:33,241 --> 00:51:35,961 And that is puritanical, is it? 682 00:51:35,961 --> 00:51:40,921 In my view, it is puritanical, and poignant, and tender. 683 00:51:49,961 --> 00:51:52,361 Do you feel puritanical? 684 00:51:52,361 --> 00:51:56,801 Not really. Tell you the truth, I didn't have the faintest idea what he was talking about, that man. 685 00:51:56,801 --> 00:52:00,361 He was saying that sex is like a sacrament, or it was for Lawrence 686 00:52:00,361 --> 00:52:02,361 and for Mellors and Lady Chatterley. 687 00:52:02,361 --> 00:52:04,521 What's that got to do with Lawrence? 688 00:52:04,521 --> 00:52:07,561 That Bishop said that Lawrence wasn't even a Christian. 689 00:52:07,561 --> 00:52:10,121 I think he worshipped his penis. I think most men do, actually. 690 00:52:10,121 --> 00:52:12,241 The stuff you come out with. 691 00:52:12,241 --> 00:52:15,561 Well, it's true, isn't it? I don't worship my...penis. 692 00:52:15,561 --> 00:52:19,001 No, but you follow it where it leads, don't you? 693 00:52:19,001 --> 00:52:20,721 Is that what happened with me and you? 694 00:52:20,721 --> 00:52:22,361 Isn't it? 695 00:52:24,281 --> 00:52:28,041 Look, it's stirring, I think it overheard us. 696 00:52:28,041 --> 00:52:30,521 John Thomas. 697 00:52:30,521 --> 00:52:32,601 That chap was wrong, wasn't he? 698 00:52:32,601 --> 00:52:35,401 Lawrence wasn't all for plain speaking, not altogether. 699 00:52:35,401 --> 00:52:39,961 Mellors has a pet name for it - his penis is John Thomas and her vagina's Lady Jane. 700 00:52:39,961 --> 00:52:46,881 When he's weaves flowers through her pubic hair, and she winds creeping Jenny round his penis. 701 00:52:46,881 --> 00:52:48,841 Would you like me to do that for you? 702 00:52:48,841 --> 00:52:51,601 If you like. 703 00:52:51,601 --> 00:52:55,961 I think we should try out everything they try out, don't you? All right. 704 00:52:55,961 --> 00:52:57,641 Not many forests round here, though. 705 00:52:57,641 --> 00:53:00,201 We'll have to improvise. 706 00:53:00,201 --> 00:53:02,601 Meanwhile... 707 00:53:10,801 --> 00:53:13,841 D'you like this? 708 00:53:13,841 --> 00:53:15,281 Yeah. 709 00:53:16,921 --> 00:53:21,121 Sylvia won't do anything like this. She says it's dirty. 710 00:53:21,121 --> 00:53:22,721 Poor Sylvia. 711 00:53:22,721 --> 00:53:24,921 I'll have to write her a little note, 712 00:53:24,921 --> 00:53:26,681 tell her what she's missing. 713 00:53:33,201 --> 00:53:35,201 PANTING 714 00:53:41,521 --> 00:53:43,161 I wish... 715 00:53:43,161 --> 00:53:44,841 What? 716 00:53:44,841 --> 00:53:47,521 It could be just you and me. 717 00:53:47,521 --> 00:53:49,841 That's what he said in the book. 718 00:53:51,121 --> 00:53:53,961 But the world's so full of other people. 719 00:54:01,961 --> 00:54:06,161 Old Parker was in a right mood today. Was he? 720 00:54:06,161 --> 00:54:08,281 Yeah. Taking it out on everyone. 721 00:54:08,281 --> 00:54:12,801 Just because he's the boss, he thinks he can carry on like a two year old in a tantrum. 722 00:54:12,801 --> 00:54:16,281 Nasty old bugger. Yeah. What can you do, though? 723 00:54:16,281 --> 00:54:18,001 I tell you what I do. 724 00:54:18,001 --> 00:54:21,241 I look at the clock, and I think, in two hours' time, or whatever it is, 725 00:54:21,241 --> 00:54:26,041 I'll be home, with somebody who's so much nicer than you, you old bugger. 726 00:54:26,041 --> 00:54:30,201 Well, look at you. I was only paying you a compliment! 727 00:54:52,721 --> 00:54:55,881 Well, who'd have thought it? What? 728 00:54:55,881 --> 00:54:57,841 You and I together in bed, like this. 729 00:54:57,841 --> 00:54:59,681 And all thanks to DH Lawrence. 730 00:54:59,681 --> 00:55:04,401 Actually, I've decided I'm not that keen on DH Lawrence or his gamekeeper. 731 00:55:04,401 --> 00:55:07,961 Why's that, then? He's always telling her things, going on at her. 732 00:55:07,961 --> 00:55:10,761 This is how life ought to be, this is what's wrong with women, 733 00:55:10,761 --> 00:55:12,641 this is what I like and don't like. 734 00:55:12,641 --> 00:55:15,281 And when they make love, it's always him in charge. 735 00:55:15,281 --> 00:55:19,961 I thought that's what you all like. Well, you're wrong. Anyway, you're not like that. 736 00:55:19,961 --> 00:55:22,201 I might be, given the chance. 737 00:55:22,201 --> 00:55:25,121 I don't think so. And you've got a sense of humour. 738 00:55:25,121 --> 00:55:28,481 When you really think about it, it's not a great book at all, 739 00:55:28,481 --> 00:55:31,441 it's a lot of preaching and bullying and wishful thinking. 740 00:55:31,441 --> 00:55:35,441 It got you going, though. Yes, I know, and I'm so ashamed. 741 00:55:38,561 --> 00:55:41,441 Anyway, it wasn't the book that got me going, 742 00:55:41,441 --> 00:55:44,521 it was you, with your bedroom eyes. 743 00:55:44,521 --> 00:55:48,161 I'd never have thought those wicked thoughts about any of those other men. 744 00:55:48,161 --> 00:55:50,201 What's so special about me? 745 00:55:50,201 --> 00:55:52,801 Oh, now he's fishing for compliments! 746 00:55:52,801 --> 00:55:56,881 But I'll tell you. It's your innocence. I'm not that innocent. 747 00:55:56,881 --> 00:55:59,601 Yes, you are, you're innocent, like an animal. 748 00:55:59,601 --> 00:56:02,601 There's no guile about you. 749 00:56:02,601 --> 00:56:06,721 And from the first look, I could tell you really want it, 750 00:56:06,721 --> 00:56:08,961 all of it. 751 00:56:08,961 --> 00:56:11,721 I don't think most men do, 752 00:56:11,721 --> 00:56:13,961 they just pretend they do, 753 00:56:13,961 --> 00:56:16,361 or they really want something else - 754 00:56:16,361 --> 00:56:18,001 power usually... 755 00:56:18,001 --> 00:56:20,361 to get you where they want you. 756 00:56:20,361 --> 00:56:22,801 So I'm different, am I? 757 00:56:22,801 --> 00:56:24,321 Yes, you are. 758 00:56:26,201 --> 00:56:28,601 You make me happy. 759 00:56:35,281 --> 00:56:38,161 I call Mr Francis Cammaerts. 760 00:56:40,001 --> 00:56:41,761 Call Mr John Connell. 761 00:56:41,761 --> 00:56:44,401 Miss Sarah Beryl Jones. 762 00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:47,481 Mr Norman St John Stevas. 763 00:56:48,921 --> 00:56:50,801 I call Dr James Hemming. 764 00:56:50,801 --> 00:56:52,441 Mr Francis Williams. 765 00:56:55,401 --> 00:56:57,401 Call Anne Scott-James 766 00:56:59,281 --> 00:57:01,361 Mr Raymond Williams. 767 00:57:01,361 --> 00:57:03,281 Call Mr CK Young. 768 00:57:03,281 --> 00:57:04,961 Call Mr Iain Foster. 769 00:57:04,961 --> 00:57:06,881 Dr CV Wedgwood. 770 00:57:07,961 --> 00:57:10,481 I call Sir Stanley Unwin. 771 00:57:10,481 --> 00:57:12,641 Professor Kenneth Muir. 772 00:57:12,641 --> 00:57:14,201 Mr Cecil Day-Lewis. 773 00:57:14,201 --> 00:57:16,321 Call Miss Dilys Powell. 774 00:57:16,321 --> 00:57:18,201 Mr Walter Allen. 775 00:57:18,201 --> 00:57:19,801 Call Mr Roy Jenkins. 776 00:57:19,801 --> 00:57:21,961 Mr Stephen Potter. 777 00:57:21,961 --> 00:57:25,041 Call Miss Janet Adam-Smith. 778 00:57:25,041 --> 00:57:26,921 Mr Noel Annan. 779 00:57:28,481 --> 00:57:31,441 Mr Hector Hetherington. 780 00:57:31,441 --> 00:57:35,201 Mr Hetherington, you are editor of the Manchester Guardian, 781 00:57:35,201 --> 00:57:37,801 and a member of the Royal Commission on the Police. 782 00:57:37,801 --> 00:57:42,841 Would you tell us what you would say is the theme or meaning of Lady Chatterley's Lover? 783 00:57:42,841 --> 00:57:45,881 Well, the importance of the book to me 784 00:57:45,881 --> 00:57:50,441 was as an exposition of the beauty and goodness of physical love at its best... 785 00:57:50,441 --> 00:57:51,921 JUDGE GROANS 786 00:57:51,921 --> 00:57:56,561 ..of the redeeming power of sex, and the importance of tenderness. 787 00:57:56,561 --> 00:57:58,041 Thank you. 788 00:58:00,521 --> 00:58:02,161 No questions. 789 00:58:07,281 --> 00:58:13,841 Mr Gardener, it is in my mind that the jury may be wondering how much longer this is going to go on. 790 00:58:13,841 --> 00:58:16,361 How many more witnesses may we expect? 791 00:58:16,361 --> 00:58:20,321 My Lord, I intend to call no witnesses. 792 00:58:20,321 --> 00:58:27,441 Mr Gardiner? My Lord, I have another 36 witnesses waiting to testify to the merit of Lady Chatterley's Lover, 793 00:58:27,441 --> 00:58:34,121 but in view of my learned friend's indication that there will be no witnesses for the prosecution, 794 00:58:34,121 --> 00:58:38,841 I propose to call only one more witness. 795 00:58:38,841 --> 00:58:40,801 Call Miss Bernadine Wall. 796 00:58:52,041 --> 00:58:56,281 Miss Wall, you've just come down from Cambridge? That's right. 797 00:58:56,281 --> 00:58:58,601 And you're writing a novel yourself, I gather. 798 00:58:58,601 --> 00:59:01,201 Yes. And you have read Lady Chatterley's Lover? 799 00:59:01,201 --> 00:59:05,721 Yes. I read it first in an expurgated edition, then more recently as Lawrence wrote it. 800 00:59:05,721 --> 00:59:08,641 And what's your opinion of the unexpurgated version? 801 00:59:08,641 --> 00:59:12,121 It was much better. It gave a positive contrast. 802 00:59:12,121 --> 00:59:16,201 The love affair contrasted with the deadness of the industrial society he was describing. 803 00:59:16,201 --> 00:59:23,281 It held out a hope that this was not all, that there was some way out of this drab, daily existence. 804 00:59:23,281 --> 00:59:25,081 Thank you. 805 00:59:29,561 --> 00:59:36,721 Now, as to the four-letter words in the book, had you known them before you read the book? Yes, of course. 806 00:59:36,721 --> 00:59:41,721 From what sort of age? My Lord, what has this to do with the literary merit of the book? 807 00:59:41,721 --> 00:59:43,761 Very little, I should think. 808 00:59:43,761 --> 00:59:45,481 My Lord, I'll withdraw the question. 809 00:59:45,481 --> 00:59:48,001 And while I am on my feet, my Lord, 810 00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:53,921 might I ask whether anybody who has just come down from Cambridge can be tendered as a literary expert? 811 00:59:53,921 --> 00:59:57,041 She has started to write a novel. 812 00:59:57,041 --> 01:00:01,241 So she has, my Lord. I suppose we must all start somewhere. 813 01:00:01,241 --> 01:00:06,961 Carry on, Mr Gardiner. From the point of view of literary merit, 814 01:00:06,961 --> 01:00:10,201 how does this book compare with others you have read, 815 01:00:10,201 --> 01:00:14,241 in its treatment of human relations, including sexual relations? 816 01:00:14,241 --> 01:00:16,921 It treats that relationship with great dignity. 817 01:00:16,921 --> 01:00:20,721 More so, I think, than any novel I have ever read. 818 01:00:20,721 --> 01:00:22,321 Thank you, Miss Wall. 819 01:00:25,041 --> 01:00:26,601 No questions. 820 01:00:29,641 --> 01:00:33,601 Fuck. Fucking. 821 01:00:33,601 --> 01:00:37,521 That was a lovely fuck. 822 01:00:39,121 --> 01:00:42,441 I love your cock in my cunt. 823 01:00:44,681 --> 01:00:46,521 Go on. 824 01:00:46,521 --> 01:00:48,161 Now you say something. 825 01:00:49,721 --> 01:00:52,561 I love the feel of your... 826 01:00:52,561 --> 01:00:54,681 Go on. 827 01:00:54,681 --> 01:00:56,881 Cunt round my cock. No, I don't like it. 828 01:00:56,881 --> 01:01:00,841 I mean, I like it, but I don't like saying it out loud like that, it's like talking dirty. 829 01:01:00,841 --> 01:01:02,441 And what's wrong with talking dirty? 830 01:01:02,441 --> 01:01:04,681 I bet you don't normally use words like that. 831 01:01:04,681 --> 01:01:06,441 Yes, you're right. 832 01:01:06,441 --> 01:01:08,081 But I can with you. 833 01:01:08,081 --> 01:01:10,121 Why's that? Because I'm a bit of rough? 834 01:01:10,121 --> 01:01:12,361 You're not a bit of rough, Keith. 835 01:01:12,361 --> 01:01:16,001 I think you're rather more respectable than me. 836 01:01:16,001 --> 01:01:17,641 What I meant was... 837 01:01:19,241 --> 01:01:22,161 ..this is our own little world here, 838 01:01:22,161 --> 01:01:25,521 we can say what we like. Yeah. 839 01:01:25,521 --> 01:01:27,001 Suppose so. 840 01:01:29,321 --> 01:01:32,521 I know it's not easy to say those words, 841 01:01:32,521 --> 01:01:34,881 but it felt all right just then. 842 01:01:34,881 --> 01:01:36,401 It felt truthful. 843 01:01:38,241 --> 01:01:42,441 And I think DH Lawrence would have thoroughly approved of me. 844 01:01:42,441 --> 01:01:45,041 And you must have liked it. 845 01:01:45,041 --> 01:01:46,601 Tell you the truth... 846 01:01:48,641 --> 01:01:50,641 ..I was a bit shocked to hear that from a woman. 847 01:01:50,641 --> 01:01:52,361 You were, weren't you? 848 01:01:54,361 --> 01:01:55,961 You're so sweet. 849 01:02:00,881 --> 01:02:01,881 What? 850 01:02:01,881 --> 01:02:03,561 What's the matter? 851 01:02:03,561 --> 01:02:06,601 I don't like being patronised, that's what's. I wasn't. Truly. 852 01:02:06,601 --> 01:02:11,081 You don't think of me as equal, that's why it's all so easy for you. Well, if you're going to sulk... 853 01:02:11,081 --> 01:02:13,641 I'm not sulking, I'm just saying what's true. 854 01:02:14,721 --> 01:02:18,921 This is all a game for you. I'm just...an amusement to you, 855 01:02:18,921 --> 01:02:22,441 and when jury service is over, that's it, off you'll go, never a backward look. 856 01:02:22,441 --> 01:02:26,241 What was your plan? To dedicate the rest of your life to me? 857 01:02:26,241 --> 01:02:29,241 You're the one who's married, after all. 858 01:02:29,241 --> 01:02:31,401 Do you want to stop this now? Because you can if you like. 859 01:02:31,401 --> 01:02:35,361 No. I don't want to stop. Then let me say what I was going to just now. 860 01:02:35,361 --> 01:02:38,041 These times with you, 861 01:02:38,041 --> 01:02:40,401 they've been the best times I've had since... 862 01:02:41,921 --> 01:02:44,961 ..I don't know when. 863 01:02:44,961 --> 01:02:47,441 You make me happy. 864 01:02:47,441 --> 01:02:49,401 I love... 865 01:02:53,761 --> 01:02:56,201 I love making love with you. 866 01:02:56,201 --> 01:02:57,961 Fucking. 867 01:02:57,961 --> 01:03:00,361 Yes. Fucking. 868 01:03:00,361 --> 01:03:02,241 Yeah, you're right. 869 01:03:02,241 --> 01:03:03,841 That's what it is. 870 01:03:03,841 --> 01:03:06,721 Why call it anything else? 871 01:03:06,721 --> 01:03:09,321 Fucking. 872 01:03:09,321 --> 01:03:11,561 Cock. Cunt. 873 01:03:13,881 --> 01:03:17,081 You know what? You've got a wonderful cunt. 874 01:03:19,881 --> 01:03:23,641 Well, I think it's probably quite an ordinary cunt, 875 01:03:23,641 --> 01:03:26,281 but it's all for you. This week. 876 01:03:26,281 --> 01:03:28,801 This week for certain, 877 01:03:28,801 --> 01:03:31,681 after that, who knows? 878 01:03:31,681 --> 01:03:35,481 I think we should make the most of it. Don't you? 879 01:03:43,481 --> 01:03:47,761 She made me feel like...a God or something. 880 01:03:47,761 --> 01:03:49,761 When we were in her little flat, 881 01:03:49,761 --> 01:03:54,521 it felt like we had the whole world in there. 882 01:03:56,041 --> 01:03:58,041 The funny thing was... 883 01:04:00,321 --> 01:04:03,161 ..it didn't make me go off Sylvia or nothing. 884 01:04:04,681 --> 01:04:06,281 I felt so... 885 01:04:06,281 --> 01:04:08,041 happy, strong... 886 01:04:09,081 --> 01:04:11,721 ..confident. 887 01:04:11,721 --> 01:04:13,921 I thought, 888 01:04:13,921 --> 01:04:17,441 "What's wrong with a man having two women?" 889 01:04:19,041 --> 01:04:21,401 Well, we really do have a mixed jury tonight. 890 01:04:21,401 --> 01:04:23,121 Let's have the first record. 891 01:04:26,921 --> 01:04:29,681 MUSIC: "Blue Angel" by Roy Orbison 892 01:04:47,081 --> 01:04:52,321 What you looking at? See anything you like? 893 01:04:52,321 --> 01:04:56,521 Yeah. Want to do anything about it? 894 01:04:56,521 --> 01:04:58,241 Yeah. 895 01:04:58,241 --> 01:05:00,681 Don't mind if I do. 896 01:05:02,881 --> 01:05:05,561 It's not nine o'clock yet. 897 01:05:05,561 --> 01:05:09,001 I don't care. Neither do I, then. 898 01:05:34,161 --> 01:05:37,801 Come on. Let's get this off. No, I'll be cold. No, you won't. 899 01:05:49,601 --> 01:05:51,601 That's it. 900 01:05:51,601 --> 01:05:53,521 That's nice, that is. 901 01:06:06,321 --> 01:06:08,961 And this is nice. 902 01:06:08,961 --> 01:06:10,881 And this is. 903 01:06:10,881 --> 01:06:14,401 Hey, I don't like that. Shush. You will. 904 01:06:14,401 --> 01:06:16,601 I promise. Let me. 905 01:06:18,201 --> 01:06:20,761 No, leave off. Keith! 906 01:06:44,001 --> 01:06:46,521 SOBBING 907 01:06:50,721 --> 01:06:52,241 What's the matter? 908 01:06:54,201 --> 01:06:56,601 What is it? Come on, Sylve. Turn round. 909 01:06:56,601 --> 01:07:01,921 Don't touch me, you bastard! Come on, Sylve. What's the matter? You know what's the matter! What? 910 01:07:01,921 --> 01:07:04,961 You've got another woman, haven't you? How could I have another woman? 911 01:07:04,961 --> 01:07:07,761 I don't know, but you have, haven't you? 912 01:07:07,761 --> 01:07:10,081 You've got another woman and you do that with her! 913 01:07:10,081 --> 01:07:14,361 Oh, come on, Sylve, don't cry. Get off me! It's true, isn't it? 914 01:07:16,561 --> 01:07:18,241 It's true! 915 01:07:18,241 --> 01:07:20,441 Yes, it's true. 916 01:07:22,601 --> 01:07:25,241 Oh, Christ. Look... I don't want to know anything about it! 917 01:07:25,241 --> 01:07:27,281 I don't want to know anything about her! 918 01:07:29,321 --> 01:07:31,561 You can go to her if you like! 919 01:07:32,601 --> 01:07:34,721 Just leave me alone, that's all! 920 01:07:43,521 --> 01:07:45,761 Members of the jury, 921 01:07:45,761 --> 01:07:48,361 this case has lasted several days, 922 01:07:48,361 --> 01:07:55,801 and you have listened to a great deal of evidence and argument with great patience and close attention. 923 01:07:55,801 --> 01:08:00,801 You have heard a great number of witnesses testify to the merit of this book, 924 01:08:00,801 --> 01:08:02,961 and not one of them 925 01:08:02,961 --> 01:08:06,481 thought it liable to deprave or corrupt. 926 01:08:08,041 --> 01:08:11,321 And what has the prosecution produced? 927 01:08:11,321 --> 01:08:14,601 Not one single witness has been found 928 01:08:14,601 --> 01:08:21,401 to come to court to say anything against Lawrence, or his book. 929 01:08:21,401 --> 01:08:26,761 The prosecution has made a point of reminding you that this is a book published at three and sixpence, 930 01:08:26,761 --> 01:08:30,121 and thus affordable to anybody. 931 01:08:30,121 --> 01:08:36,841 There is a suggestion that it might be all right if it were published as an expensive limited edition, 932 01:08:36,841 --> 01:08:40,281 not for the common man or woman. 933 01:08:40,281 --> 01:08:47,561 My learned friend asks, "Is it a book you would even wish your wife or your servants to read?" 934 01:08:47,561 --> 01:08:51,921 Now, I don't want to upset the prosecution by suggesting 935 01:08:51,921 --> 01:08:55,441 that there are nowadays some people who don't have servants. 936 01:08:56,481 --> 01:09:02,801 But isn't everybody, whether earning £10 a week, or £20 a week, 937 01:09:02,801 --> 01:09:07,081 equally interested in the society in which we live... 938 01:09:08,721 --> 01:09:13,081 ..and equally involved in the problems of relationships, 939 01:09:13,081 --> 01:09:17,161 including sexual relationships? 940 01:09:17,161 --> 01:09:23,321 And shouldn't wives be allowed to read about these things, as well as their husbands? 941 01:09:23,321 --> 01:09:26,121 And isn't it time 942 01:09:26,121 --> 01:09:29,841 we rescued Lawrence's name 943 01:09:29,841 --> 01:09:33,721 from the quite unfair reputation it has had, 944 01:09:33,721 --> 01:09:36,601 and allow our people... 945 01:09:38,321 --> 01:09:40,881 ..his people - 946 01:09:40,881 --> 01:09:43,281 to judge for themselves? 947 01:09:46,561 --> 01:09:48,441 Members of the jury... 948 01:09:50,081 --> 01:09:53,441 ..I leave Lawrence's reputation, 949 01:09:53,441 --> 01:09:56,161 and the reputation of Penguin Books... 950 01:09:57,801 --> 01:10:00,001 ..in your hands. 951 01:10:10,881 --> 01:10:14,001 Members of the jury, as you will now know, 952 01:10:14,001 --> 01:10:19,081 this case is one of immense importance, with huge and far-reaching consequences. 953 01:10:19,081 --> 01:10:24,041 In a matter of such gravity, I do not propose to waste your time by answering debating points. 954 01:10:24,041 --> 01:10:28,921 It is easy enough to poke fun at the prosecution, especially in a case of this kind, 955 01:10:28,921 --> 01:10:31,801 but I am not going to refer to any such matters. 956 01:10:32,841 --> 01:10:38,801 Now, my learned friend has examined a number of witnesses in support of the book. 957 01:10:38,801 --> 01:10:42,961 Who have we had? Bishops, prebendaries, other clergymen, 958 01:10:42,961 --> 01:10:49,441 school teachers, a fashion editor, even a young girl who has just started her first novel. 959 01:10:49,441 --> 01:10:52,681 All under the guise of literary experts. 960 01:10:52,681 --> 01:10:57,001 I know that you will not be browbeaten by evidence given by these people. 961 01:10:57,001 --> 01:10:59,721 You will judge this as ordinary people, 962 01:10:59,721 --> 01:11:06,081 your feet on the ground, reading this book and judging it according to your own moral standards. 963 01:11:06,081 --> 01:11:08,561 And there must be standards, must there not? 964 01:11:08,561 --> 01:11:12,561 There must be some restraint, or the floodgates will open. 965 01:11:12,561 --> 01:11:17,361 "A book of moral purpose," one witness called it. 966 01:11:17,361 --> 01:11:19,521 What moral purpose? 967 01:11:19,521 --> 01:11:24,161 If your husband can't satisfy you, go and copulate with other men until you find someone who can. 968 01:11:24,161 --> 01:11:28,201 Isn't that what a young person reading the book would take from it? 969 01:11:28,201 --> 01:11:35,401 Remember that you, and you alone, are the sole judge of the facts in this case. 970 01:11:35,401 --> 01:11:37,521 And in this context, 971 01:11:37,521 --> 01:11:43,441 I would ask your forgiveness for referring you to a passage on page 246. 972 01:11:43,441 --> 01:11:48,161 It is a passage that has not previously been referred to during this trial. 973 01:11:48,161 --> 01:11:55,201 It is that passage which describes what is called "the night of sensual passion". 974 01:11:55,201 --> 01:12:01,321 "It was a night of sensual passion, in which she was a little startled and almost unwilling. 975 01:12:01,321 --> 01:12:04,561 "Though a little frightened, she let him have his way." 976 01:12:04,561 --> 01:12:09,921 Not very easy, you know, to know what he is driving at in that passage. 977 01:12:09,921 --> 01:12:12,921 "And the reckless, shameless sensuality 978 01:12:12,921 --> 01:12:19,721 "shook her to her foundations, stripped her to the very last, and made a different woman of her. 979 01:12:19,721 --> 01:12:25,321 "Burning out the shames, the deepest, oldest shames, in the most secret places. 980 01:12:25,321 --> 01:12:30,641 "It cost her an effort to let him have his way and his will of her." 981 01:12:30,641 --> 01:12:35,801 One wonders why, with all the experiences that had gone before. 982 01:12:35,801 --> 01:12:42,961 "It took some getting at, the core of the physical jungle, the last and deepest recess of organic shame." 983 01:12:42,961 --> 01:12:47,641 I don't know. Is this stuff having a good influence on the young reader? 984 01:12:47,641 --> 01:12:52,161 Members of the jury, do you not think this book has a false conception 985 01:12:52,161 --> 01:12:55,361 of what proper thought and conduct ought to be? 986 01:12:55,361 --> 01:12:59,201 In a time when some proper conception is so badly needed? 987 01:12:59,201 --> 01:13:02,161 I submit to you that there can be but one answer. 988 01:13:05,801 --> 01:13:10,321 Members of the jury, we are approaching the end of this case, 989 01:13:10,321 --> 01:13:13,641 to which you have listened with the greatest care and attention. 990 01:13:13,641 --> 01:13:18,041 I propose that we adjourn until tomorrow, when I will sum up the evidence, 991 01:13:18,041 --> 01:13:22,441 and you will retire to consider your verdict. 992 01:13:22,441 --> 01:13:24,041 All rise! 993 01:13:26,001 --> 01:13:28,081 Let off a bit early today, then! 994 01:13:28,081 --> 01:13:30,001 Time off for good behaviour! 995 01:13:30,001 --> 01:13:32,081 See you in the morning. Right-o. 996 01:13:32,081 --> 01:13:33,601 Evening. 997 01:13:35,561 --> 01:13:37,561 What's the matter? 998 01:13:44,641 --> 01:13:48,321 See that? All right for some, eh? 999 01:13:57,001 --> 01:14:00,041 Well, I was quite surprised at Griffith-Jones today. 1000 01:14:00,041 --> 01:14:02,761 "The night of sensual passion!" 1001 01:14:02,761 --> 01:14:05,201 I didn't get what he was on about. 1002 01:14:05,201 --> 01:14:08,521 Really? Didn't you? I didn't get it. 1003 01:14:08,521 --> 01:14:11,441 He was talking about buggery, Keith. 1004 01:14:11,441 --> 01:14:14,161 Was he? 1005 01:14:14,161 --> 01:14:19,441 That's what homos do, isn't it? Well, not just homos, actually. 1006 01:14:19,441 --> 01:14:20,921 Bloody hell. 1007 01:14:22,921 --> 01:14:24,401 You mean, you? 1008 01:14:26,321 --> 01:14:28,841 It was something Ray was rather keen on. 1009 01:14:28,841 --> 01:14:30,841 I didn't actually care for it very much. 1010 01:14:30,841 --> 01:14:33,841 Bloody hell. 1011 01:14:33,841 --> 01:14:36,001 Ain't it against the law? 1012 01:14:54,761 --> 01:14:58,081 What's wrong? Sylvia knows. 1013 01:14:58,081 --> 01:15:02,361 You told her? She just sort of knew. I couldn't deny it. I've never been any good at telling lies. 1014 01:15:02,361 --> 01:15:04,521 No. 1015 01:15:04,521 --> 01:15:08,721 What did you tell her about me? Nothing. She didn't want to know. 1016 01:15:08,721 --> 01:15:10,721 She's all upset. 1017 01:15:10,721 --> 01:15:14,041 That's why you nearly didn't come today. Yeah. 1018 01:15:15,041 --> 01:15:17,281 But you did come. 1019 01:15:17,281 --> 01:15:19,321 I couldn't help myself. 1020 01:15:23,521 --> 01:15:25,321 Well, since you are here... 1021 01:15:53,761 --> 01:15:56,281 You don't have to. 1022 01:15:56,281 --> 01:15:57,721 I want you to. 1023 01:15:59,361 --> 01:16:01,441 I want us to do everything they did. 1024 01:16:03,561 --> 01:16:07,681 I want to give you everything she gave him. 1025 01:16:07,681 --> 01:16:10,321 I want you to give me everything he gave her. 1026 01:16:19,281 --> 01:16:25,481 "She had to be a passive, consenting thing, like a slave, a physical slave. 1027 01:16:27,881 --> 01:16:31,081 "Yet the passion licked round her, consuming, 1028 01:16:31,081 --> 01:16:37,241 "and when the sensual flame of it pressed through her bowels and breast, she thought she was dying. 1029 01:16:37,241 --> 01:16:41,041 "She often wondered what Abelard meant, when he said that in their year of love, 1030 01:16:41,041 --> 01:16:45,721 "he and Heloise had passed through all the stages and refinements of passion. 1031 01:16:45,721 --> 01:16:51,161 "She felt, now, she had come to the real bed-rock of her nature, 1032 01:16:51,161 --> 01:16:54,361 "and was essentially shameless." 1033 01:17:03,761 --> 01:17:06,881 Stay with me. 1034 01:17:06,881 --> 01:17:08,441 Please? 1035 01:17:26,521 --> 01:17:29,161 In a bleak warehouse near London Airport, 1036 01:17:29,161 --> 01:17:34,761 tens of thousands of copies of Lady Chatterley's Lover are being packaged up and made ready for delivery. 1037 01:17:34,761 --> 01:17:37,001 It's in the hands of the jury. 1038 01:17:37,001 --> 01:17:39,841 Will they go on sale or be pulped? 1039 01:17:41,561 --> 01:17:47,361 Members of the jury, you are the sole judges of the facts. 1040 01:17:47,361 --> 01:17:51,041 As we all know, these days the world seems to be full of experts. 1041 01:17:51,041 --> 01:17:55,441 But our criminal law is based on the view that the jury takes of the facts, 1042 01:17:55,441 --> 01:17:59,321 and not the view that experts say you should take. 1043 01:17:59,321 --> 01:18:05,921 You've got to look at the book as one you yourselves might have bought for three shillings and sixpence, 1044 01:18:05,921 --> 01:18:11,361 and then you must ask yourselves the question, "Does it tend to deprave and corrupt?" 1045 01:18:11,361 --> 01:18:15,881 Now, you have been told that it is a moral tract, 1046 01:18:15,881 --> 01:18:19,281 and a book that Christians should read. 1047 01:18:19,281 --> 01:18:21,561 But what do you think? 1048 01:18:21,561 --> 01:18:24,201 What is the story? 1049 01:18:24,201 --> 01:18:28,081 A woman has sexual intercourse before she is married, 1050 01:18:28,081 --> 01:18:33,921 and then, after she is married, commits adultery with someone called Michaelis, 1051 01:18:33,921 --> 01:18:38,601 and then proceeds to have adulterous intercourse with her husband's gamekeeper. 1052 01:18:38,601 --> 01:18:42,081 And that is described, you may think, 1053 01:18:42,081 --> 01:18:44,121 in the most lurid way. 1054 01:18:44,121 --> 01:18:49,441 If you have any reasonable doubt whether it has been proved to your satisfaction 1055 01:18:49,441 --> 01:18:55,041 that the tendency of this book is to deprave and corrupt morals, of course you will acquit. 1056 01:18:55,041 --> 01:18:58,961 On the other hand, if you are satisfied that the book 1057 01:18:58,961 --> 01:19:05,041 does have a tendency to deprave and corrupt, of course you will not hesitate to say so. 1058 01:19:05,041 --> 01:19:10,361 Now, a vast number of witnesses have been called. 1059 01:19:10,361 --> 01:19:15,041 But you are not governed by the opinions they have expressed. 1060 01:19:15,041 --> 01:19:18,121 You are the judges of the matter. 1061 01:19:18,121 --> 01:19:23,721 You might think that some of them proceeded on the basis, 1062 01:19:23,721 --> 01:19:27,841 this is a book by Lawrence, therefore this is a good book. 1063 01:19:27,841 --> 01:19:31,241 You must make up your own minds about that. 1064 01:19:31,241 --> 01:19:38,841 So, if you'd be kind enough to retire and consider your verdict and tell me how you find. 1065 01:19:40,961 --> 01:19:43,041 All rise! 1066 01:19:57,761 --> 01:20:00,161 Well, who'd like to start us off? 1067 01:20:00,161 --> 01:20:04,521 Well, I'd say guilty. If that's not a dirty book, I don't know what is. 1068 01:20:04,521 --> 01:20:10,521 I mean, a laugh's a laugh, but I don't mind saying I found it quite shocking in parts. 1069 01:20:10,521 --> 01:20:12,361 And as to literary merit? 1070 01:20:12,361 --> 01:20:16,161 I don't think it's clever sticking in those four-letter words in. 1071 01:20:16,161 --> 01:20:21,081 My dad used to say swearing was the sign of an impoverished vocabulary. 1072 01:20:21,081 --> 01:20:24,601 I agree with him. I think it should be banned. 1073 01:20:24,601 --> 01:20:29,521 The judge seemed to think we should return a guilty verdict. 1074 01:20:29,521 --> 01:20:32,041 He also said we didn't have to follow his opinion. 1075 01:20:32,041 --> 01:20:36,441 True. It's interesting that the prosecution didn't call any expert witnesses. 1076 01:20:36,441 --> 01:20:39,681 They didn't need any. It's like the judge said. 1077 01:20:39,681 --> 01:20:42,481 I think it's rather more likely that they couldn't find any. 1078 01:20:42,481 --> 01:20:44,681 You think it should be banned. 1079 01:20:44,681 --> 01:20:49,841 Do you really think it might deprave or corrupt anybody? 1080 01:20:49,841 --> 01:20:53,361 That's not the point. It should be banned on grounds of public decency. 1081 01:20:53,361 --> 01:20:55,361 It's exactly as the prosecution put it. 1082 01:20:55,361 --> 01:21:00,761 Publish this and you've opened the floodgates, you've opened the way for any kind of filthy rubbish. 1083 01:21:00,761 --> 01:21:04,841 We'll be poisoning the minds of our own children, and generations to follow. 1084 01:21:04,841 --> 01:21:08,721 Is this what we want the 1960s to be? 1085 01:21:08,721 --> 01:21:14,521 Is this what we fought two world wars for, the freedom to publish dirty books? 1086 01:21:14,521 --> 01:21:16,721 But this isn't a dirty book! 1087 01:21:16,721 --> 01:21:19,961 There's nothing dirty about sex. 1088 01:21:19,961 --> 01:21:22,201 It's natural, isn't it? 1089 01:21:22,201 --> 01:21:28,081 And I don't like the idea of anyone telling me what I'm allowed to read and not allowed to read. 1090 01:21:28,081 --> 01:21:32,481 And I don't want to be the one to tell anyone else, except my own kids, 1091 01:21:32,481 --> 01:21:38,561 and they're grown up now anyway, and they can choose for themselves. Cos that's what we're here for, isn't it, 1092 01:21:38,561 --> 01:21:41,841 to say if other people can read it? 1093 01:21:41,841 --> 01:21:44,361 Well, it hasn't done any of us any harm, has it? 1094 01:21:44,361 --> 01:21:46,961 I wonder if it has. 1095 01:21:57,121 --> 01:22:01,801 Do any of us think that we have been depraved or corrupted by reading Lady Chatterley's Lover? 1096 01:22:01,801 --> 01:22:05,081 Well, who'd answer yes to a question like that? 1097 01:22:05,081 --> 01:22:10,201 That is the question we are asked to answer. 1098 01:22:10,201 --> 01:22:17,761 And perhaps the best way to answer it is to ask ourselves, have I been depraved or corrupted by this book? 1099 01:22:17,761 --> 01:22:22,961 We've been picked at random - 12 ordinary men and women. 1100 01:22:23,961 --> 01:22:27,561 If the book has a tendency to deprave and corrupt, 1101 01:22:27,561 --> 01:22:32,641 then it's likely, isn't it, that it would have had that effect on us, 1102 01:22:32,641 --> 01:22:36,601 or at least some of us. So, has it? 1103 01:22:36,601 --> 01:22:44,481 Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I've been a bit...you know...shook up by it. 1104 01:22:44,481 --> 01:22:52,161 Reading this book, I feel like I might be missing out on things, you know...sex and that. 1105 01:22:52,161 --> 01:22:55,601 I don't mean to say I've never had it or anything, 1106 01:22:55,601 --> 01:22:58,761 but not like in the book. 1107 01:22:58,761 --> 01:23:01,441 And it sort of makes you think, 1108 01:23:01,441 --> 01:23:07,121 "Maybe I should," sort of thing, but I don't suppose I ever shall. 1109 01:23:07,121 --> 01:23:12,441 Is that depraved and corrupted? I wouldn't have thought so. Wouldn't you? 1110 01:23:12,441 --> 01:23:16,281 I think our friend here has put his finger on something. What it is is this, 1111 01:23:16,281 --> 01:23:19,761 the man who wrote this book is saying sex is everything, 1112 01:23:19,761 --> 01:23:25,161 and any kind of behaviour is justified in the search for sex, sex, and more sex! 1113 01:23:25,161 --> 01:23:31,561 He's saying it's perfectly fine for women to behave like whores before marriage and in marriage, 1114 01:23:31,561 --> 01:23:38,281 it's perfectly fine to hold your marriage vows with contempt, all for the sake of sex. 1115 01:23:38,281 --> 01:23:45,641 He's telling us that we should indulge and satisfy our appetites like farmyard animals! 1116 01:23:45,641 --> 01:23:49,081 If that's not depraving and corrupting, I don't know what is! 1117 01:23:49,081 --> 01:23:52,841 All he's doing is asking us to think about our lives. 1118 01:23:52,841 --> 01:23:56,001 And what result has that had in your case, may I ask? 1119 01:23:56,001 --> 01:23:58,841 Or perhaps I don't need to ask. 1120 01:24:01,041 --> 01:24:05,401 I wouldn't say I'd been depraved or corrupted by Lady Chatterley's Lover, 1121 01:24:05,401 --> 01:24:09,921 but I would say I've been affected by it. 1122 01:24:09,921 --> 01:24:12,761 But that's not a bad thing, that's a good thing, isn't it? 1123 01:24:12,761 --> 01:24:15,601 He's challenging us to look at our lives. 1124 01:24:15,601 --> 01:24:18,201 He's saying that some things are so... 1125 01:24:18,201 --> 01:24:21,041 special, 1126 01:24:21,041 --> 01:24:23,521 they're worth sacrificing anything for. 1127 01:24:23,521 --> 01:24:29,841 And sex...really good sex... is such a strong thing, 1128 01:24:29,841 --> 01:24:34,521 it just smashes up your whole life and puts it together in a different way. 1129 01:24:34,521 --> 01:24:40,561 If you find that passion and tenderness with someone... 1130 01:24:42,121 --> 01:24:44,601 ..you have to follow it. 1131 01:24:46,201 --> 01:24:48,001 That's what he's saying. 1132 01:24:48,001 --> 01:24:51,081 But you can't just live your whole life like that. 1133 01:24:51,081 --> 01:24:53,521 Maybe Lawrence could, but we can't. 1134 01:24:55,921 --> 01:24:59,001 I mean, you'd just burn yourself up... 1135 01:24:59,001 --> 01:25:00,921 ..wouldn't you? 1136 01:25:00,921 --> 01:25:03,481 Wouldn't it be worth it? 1137 01:25:13,361 --> 01:25:14,801 They're coming back. 1138 01:25:45,801 --> 01:25:50,801 Members of the jury, are you agreed upon your verdict? We are. 1139 01:25:50,801 --> 01:25:57,041 Do you find that Penguin Books are guilty or not guilty of publishing an obscene article? 1140 01:26:00,561 --> 01:26:02,161 Not guilty. 1141 01:26:02,161 --> 01:26:05,481 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1142 01:26:06,881 --> 01:26:08,841 Silence in court! 1143 01:26:11,921 --> 01:26:14,041 Silence in court! 1144 01:26:15,521 --> 01:26:17,841 Silence in court! 1145 01:27:18,841 --> 01:27:22,801 I still don't know whether we done the right thing. 1146 01:27:22,801 --> 01:27:26,481 Not the verdict - I mean, me and Helena. 1147 01:27:26,481 --> 01:27:31,241 It was thinking about Sylvia and the baby coming, that and thinking, 1148 01:27:31,241 --> 01:27:35,721 "Well, like Helena said - sex isn't everything." 1149 01:27:35,721 --> 01:27:37,721 Maybe I was wrong. 1150 01:27:37,721 --> 01:27:40,601 But in a funny sort of way, 1151 01:27:40,601 --> 01:27:44,561 I think it was good for us, me and Sylvia, I mean. 1152 01:27:44,561 --> 01:27:46,761 Not at first, of course. 1153 01:27:46,761 --> 01:27:49,001 A bit rough at first, 1154 01:27:49,001 --> 01:27:51,481 but we stayed together. 1155 01:27:53,801 --> 01:27:55,921 It seems funny now, 1156 01:27:55,921 --> 01:27:58,601 all that passion. 1157 01:27:58,601 --> 01:28:01,681 All such a long time ago. 1158 01:28:01,681 --> 01:28:05,801 Yes, I married again, to a very nice man indeed. 1159 01:28:05,801 --> 01:28:08,201 He died three years ago. We were very happy. 1160 01:28:08,201 --> 01:28:11,121 I was very lucky. 1161 01:28:11,121 --> 01:28:12,641 But the most intense, the most important experience of my life, I'd have to say, 1162 01:28:12,761 --> 01:28:17,321 But the most intense, the most important experience of my life, I'd have to say, 1163 01:28:17,321 --> 01:28:22,001 was that week of sex, that week of love I had with Keith. 1164 01:28:23,561 --> 01:28:25,641 My Chatterley affair. 1165 01:28:31,001 --> 01:28:38,281 The time now is five minutes to 12, to zero hour, because here in this bookshop in the heart of London, 1166 01:28:38,281 --> 01:28:42,081 Lady Chatterley goes on sale at 12 noon sharp. 1167 01:28:42,081 --> 01:28:46,401 So let's wait and see how the rush develops and see what happens. 1168 01:28:49,761 --> 01:28:52,401 One copy only. 1169 01:28:52,401 --> 01:28:54,241 Thank you. 1170 01:28:54,241 --> 01:28:57,521 Two, please. One only. Only one. 1171 01:28:57,521 --> 01:29:00,801 Why are you buying a copy? Just to see what it's about. 1172 01:29:00,801 --> 01:29:02,201 Why do you want a copy? 1173 01:29:02,201 --> 01:29:06,041 We've heard so much about it, I just want to have a look. How about you? 1174 01:29:06,041 --> 01:29:09,321 I shall be doing a course on the modern novel at university. 1175 01:29:09,321 --> 01:29:12,161 Why do you want a copy of Lady Chatterley? 1176 01:29:12,161 --> 01:29:15,601 How about you? Just to find out what it's all about. 1177 01:29:15,601 --> 01:29:18,801 Why do you want a copy? I'm buying it for somebody else. 1178 01:29:18,801 --> 01:29:20,601 You're buying it for somebody else? 1179 01:29:20,601 --> 01:29:23,961 Why do you want a copy? For my wife. For your wife? 1180 01:29:30,081 --> 01:29:33,561 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 99813

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