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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:23,892 --> 00:00:25,862 - My first name is Gloria, 4 00:00:25,862 --> 00:00:28,762 and I have just finished a picture at Paramount 5 00:00:28,762 --> 00:00:31,723 called ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 6 00:00:32,244 --> 00:00:34,753 SUNSET BOULEVARD 7 00:00:35,329 --> 00:00:37,122 - ''Sunset Boulevard'' is one of 8 00:00:37,122 --> 00:00:38,759 the greatest movies ever made. 9 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:39,852 - You're Norma Desmond? 10 00:00:39,877 --> 00:00:40,961 SUNSET BOULEVARD 11 00:00:40,986 --> 00:00:43,286 Used to be in silent pictures, used to be big? 12 00:00:44,702 --> 00:00:45,765 - I am big. 13 00:00:47,102 --> 00:00:49,942 It's the pictures that got small. 14 00:00:52,792 --> 00:00:55,245 - It's a wonderful Hollywood story, 15 00:00:55,245 --> 00:00:57,282 that thing about dealing with growing older 16 00:00:57,307 --> 00:00:58,444 A HOLLYWOOD STORY 17 00:00:58,469 --> 00:01:02,492 and being discarded, when you've once been idolized 18 00:01:02,492 --> 00:01:05,182 by millions of people, and then those millions 19 00:01:05,182 --> 00:01:06,816 don't show up anymore. 20 00:01:06,816 --> 00:01:09,537 - All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close up. 21 00:01:10,712 --> 00:01:13,822 - I don't think anyone could have played that part 22 00:01:13,822 --> 00:01:15,155 but Gloria Swanson. 23 00:01:16,102 --> 00:01:19,812 And ''Sunset Boulevard'' was her crowning moment. 24 00:01:19,812 --> 00:01:22,402 - I wonder if I might ask you a personal question? 25 00:01:22,402 --> 00:01:23,652 - Oh, you too? 26 00:01:23,652 --> 00:01:25,562 You wanna know my age? 27 00:01:25,562 --> 00:01:29,512 - Gloria Swanson was only 50, but that was old then. 28 00:01:29,512 --> 00:01:30,922 And after ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 29 00:01:30,922 --> 00:01:33,715 no one was asking me to make another picture. 30 00:01:34,582 --> 00:01:37,719 - She never regained a foothold after ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 31 00:01:38,672 --> 00:01:40,562 but she was wise enough to know 32 00:01:40,562 --> 00:01:43,337 that ''Sunset Boulevard'' was her ticket. 33 00:01:43,337 --> 00:01:46,472 - I will show them, I will be up there again, so help me! 34 00:01:46,472 --> 00:01:49,162 - So if she could carry that out again 35 00:01:49,162 --> 00:01:52,053 and in a different way, that would be fabulous. 36 00:01:52,778 --> 00:01:54,971 She was ready to have that attention again. 37 00:02:02,632 --> 00:02:04,932 - Now I am sure that most of you remember the story 38 00:02:04,932 --> 00:02:07,219 of the film ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 39 00:02:09,262 --> 00:02:11,542 It has to do with Norma Desmond, 40 00:02:11,542 --> 00:02:15,292 who was an aging film star, whose career has vanished, 41 00:02:15,292 --> 00:02:17,516 and she's desperate to make a comeback. 42 00:02:18,432 --> 00:02:20,821 The fabulous Gloria Swanson herself. 43 00:02:21,252 --> 00:02:24,262 She, for some reason, developed this mad idea 44 00:02:24,262 --> 00:02:28,092 to adapt her film, ''Sunset Boulevard,'' as a musical. 45 00:02:28,092 --> 00:02:31,325 And she approached my writing partner and I to do this. 46 00:02:32,512 --> 00:02:34,132 We were struggling songwriters, 47 00:02:34,132 --> 00:02:36,575 and this was a huge break for us both. 48 00:02:38,172 --> 00:02:40,372 In the movie, Norma has fallen in love 49 00:02:40,372 --> 00:02:42,832 with this young screenwriter, who she hires 50 00:02:42,832 --> 00:02:45,152 to write her comeback picture. 51 00:02:45,152 --> 00:02:48,392 Norma, of course, has fallen in love with the young man. 52 00:02:48,392 --> 00:02:50,732 Working together with Gloria Swanson, 53 00:02:50,732 --> 00:02:53,362 something similar was happening. 54 00:02:53,362 --> 00:02:56,602 She was becoming very captivated by my working partner, 55 00:02:56,602 --> 00:02:59,222 who was also a handsome young writer. 56 00:02:59,222 --> 00:03:02,072 So you had the real life story of a mature woman, 57 00:03:02,072 --> 00:03:04,922 fascinated by a younger man happening both 58 00:03:04,922 --> 00:03:07,322 in the ''Sunset Boulevard'' storyline, 59 00:03:07,322 --> 00:03:10,295 and in the true life storyline that we were living. 60 00:03:11,452 --> 00:03:12,942 - We'd all been so close 61 00:03:12,942 --> 00:03:15,692 and it was such a big part of our lives. 62 00:03:15,692 --> 00:03:19,572 It's a story in itself about three people's lives 63 00:03:19,572 --> 00:03:22,705 and the similarity with the original film. 64 00:03:23,742 --> 00:03:26,749 The whole background was really quite weird. 65 00:03:30,673 --> 00:03:33,508 BOULEVARD A HOLLYWOOD STORY 66 00:03:42,492 --> 00:03:44,802 - My name's Steve Wilson, I'm the curator 67 00:03:44,802 --> 00:03:47,282 of the film collection at the Harry Ransom Center 68 00:03:47,282 --> 00:03:48,785 at the University of Texas. 69 00:03:49,722 --> 00:03:53,462 I help students, and scholars, and researchers like you 70 00:03:53,462 --> 00:03:55,769 find the material that they need in our collections. 71 00:03:55,794 --> 00:03:56,808 DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER 72 00:03:56,832 --> 00:04:01,642 We have extensive collections in literature, art, 73 00:04:01,642 --> 00:04:04,275 photography, performing arts, and film. 74 00:04:05,342 --> 00:04:07,802 I take care of the film collection. 75 00:04:07,802 --> 00:04:09,972 Probably the foundation of our collection 76 00:04:09,972 --> 00:04:11,925 is the David O. Selznick archive. 77 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:15,430 And we also have a lot of actors. 78 00:04:15,602 --> 00:04:17,545 We have Robert De Niro, 79 00:04:18,502 --> 00:04:22,125 and we also have the collection of actress Gloria Swanson. 80 00:04:24,652 --> 00:04:27,065 She was an early film star. 81 00:04:28,032 --> 00:04:31,342 She was very well known throughout the world, 82 00:04:31,834 --> 00:04:32,895 WHY CHANGE YOUR WIFE 83 00:04:32,928 --> 00:04:34,855 mostly through the films of Cecil B. DeMille. 84 00:04:36,572 --> 00:04:40,512 Gloria Swanson was one of the early women filmmakers 85 00:04:40,512 --> 00:04:42,615 to start her own production company. 86 00:04:43,502 --> 00:04:46,212 She was also into inventions, 87 00:04:46,212 --> 00:04:49,492 and she sponsored immigrants from Eastern Europe 88 00:04:49,492 --> 00:04:52,888 to come to the United States to invent things. 89 00:04:53,672 --> 00:04:55,334 She was also into yoga. 90 00:04:56,032 --> 00:04:58,822 She learned yoga from the guy who brought yoga 91 00:04:58,822 --> 00:05:00,245 to the United States. 92 00:05:01,282 --> 00:05:03,612 I think she was a really interesting person. 93 00:05:05,462 --> 00:05:07,442 We acquired Gloria Swanson's archive 94 00:05:07,442 --> 00:05:10,503 directly from her in 1980. 95 00:05:11,102 --> 00:05:13,552 It's a large archive, 96 00:05:13,552 --> 00:05:16,182 and she amassed quite a good collection 97 00:05:16,182 --> 00:05:19,645 that covers her entire career, which is really remarkable. 98 00:05:21,292 --> 00:05:23,752 - So today probably if people know her, they know her 99 00:05:23,752 --> 00:05:26,482 from her most famous movie, ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 100 00:05:26,482 --> 00:05:29,306 - That's the role that she's best known for now. 101 00:05:29,331 --> 00:05:30,501 SUNSET BOULEVARD 102 00:05:30,526 --> 00:05:32,766 - I'm really curious to know if she saved any materials 103 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:34,298 relating to the musical version 104 00:05:34,323 --> 00:05:36,345 of ''Sunset Boulevard'' that she was planning. 105 00:05:36,602 --> 00:05:39,901 - There are materials related to ''Boulevard'' in the archive. 106 00:05:40,652 --> 00:05:42,322 These materials include 107 00:05:42,322 --> 00:05:46,382 correspondence with the collaborators for the musical. 108 00:05:46,382 --> 00:05:50,201 There is sheet music, there are script materials. 109 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:52,348 VOICE OF GLORIA SWANSON I was rehearsing a song 110 00:05:52,373 --> 00:05:54,342 from a new musical review that Dick Hughes wrote 111 00:05:54,342 --> 00:05:56,772 and should you care to hear a couple amusing numbers 112 00:05:56,772 --> 00:05:59,055 from the show, well, just turn over. 113 00:05:59,932 --> 00:06:01,832 - I understand there are audio recordings, 114 00:06:01,832 --> 00:06:04,232 reel-to-reel tapes in the collection? 115 00:06:04,232 --> 00:06:06,092 - There are just a treasure trove 116 00:06:06,092 --> 00:06:11,072 of reel-to-reel recordings of songs that she is singing. 117 00:06:11,072 --> 00:06:13,192 What was the purpose of these recordings? 118 00:06:13,192 --> 00:06:16,252 - These recordings were made to lure investors 119 00:06:16,252 --> 00:06:19,962 and to impress the executives at Paramount, 120 00:06:19,962 --> 00:06:22,202 but these recordings were never intended 121 00:06:22,202 --> 00:06:24,552 to be seen by the public. 122 00:06:26,592 --> 00:06:29,313 - I've been a record collector all my life, 123 00:06:29,338 --> 00:06:30,358 PUBLICIST AND PRODUCER 124 00:06:30,383 --> 00:06:33,275 so I was kind of aware of the existence of the tapes. 125 00:06:34,612 --> 00:06:38,872 The entire show was written by two young writers, 126 00:06:38,872 --> 00:06:41,110 Dickson Hughes, and Richard Stapley. 127 00:06:41,142 --> 00:06:43,297 - We are honored to present this great personality 128 00:06:43,322 --> 00:06:45,442 of both the silent screen and the movies of today 129 00:06:45,442 --> 00:06:47,282 in an excerpt from her forthcoming production, 130 00:06:47,282 --> 00:06:49,762 a musical version of ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 131 00:06:49,762 --> 00:06:52,422 written by Dick Hughes and Richard Stapley. 132 00:06:53,562 --> 00:06:57,462 - Gloria actually performed the most important song 133 00:06:57,462 --> 00:07:00,258 from their score on ''The Steve Allen Show'' in '57. 134 00:07:00,283 --> 00:07:01,375 GLORIA SWANSON BIOGRAPHER 135 00:07:09,665 --> 00:07:11,594 - Max, Max? 136 00:07:13,432 --> 00:07:15,585 Well, what are you waiting for? 137 00:07:20,096 --> 00:07:23,713 - Norma Desmond, this aging, sad, 138 00:07:23,738 --> 00:07:26,175 GRANDDAUGHTER OF FLORIA SWANSON lonely film star. 139 00:07:26,502 --> 00:07:27,689 - What you're trying to say 140 00:07:27,689 --> 00:07:29,962 is you don't want me to love you. 141 00:07:29,962 --> 00:07:31,902 - She traps this young screenwriter 142 00:07:31,902 --> 00:07:34,355 in her web, and won't let him go. 143 00:07:35,459 --> 00:07:40,152 ''Sunset Boulevard'' showed how complicated love becomes. 144 00:07:40,152 --> 00:07:43,177 And falling in love with this younger man, I mean, it hurt. 145 00:07:43,177 --> 00:07:45,092 - The audience left 20 years ago, now face it. 146 00:07:45,092 --> 00:07:46,842 - That's a lie, they still want me! 147 00:07:48,591 --> 00:07:50,602 - We were very close, 148 00:07:50,602 --> 00:07:55,592 and I think really had a great appreciation of one another. 149 00:07:55,592 --> 00:07:57,522 This is Gloria Swanson speaking. 150 00:07:57,877 --> 00:08:00,192 It so happens that that is my real name. 151 00:08:01,072 --> 00:08:03,822 - So for me, the joy of being able to talk about her 152 00:08:03,822 --> 00:08:05,962 is not only keeping her alive, 153 00:08:05,962 --> 00:08:08,042 but maybe educating people 154 00:08:08,042 --> 00:08:11,052 about some of the myths or truths of her life. 155 00:08:11,052 --> 00:08:15,685 - I am not Norma Desmond, I'm Gloria Swanson. 156 00:08:16,952 --> 00:08:19,795 - This was a role for her, not her life. 157 00:08:21,082 --> 00:08:25,432 She wasn't, as Norma Desmond, an aging film star, 158 00:08:25,432 --> 00:08:26,795 she was way beyond that. 159 00:08:27,795 --> 00:08:30,654 VOICE OF GLORIA SWANSON A lot of people ask me if ''Sunset Boulevard'' 160 00:08:30,679 --> 00:08:33,443 was my own life, which is rather odd. 161 00:08:34,142 --> 00:08:37,882 They had an idea that it was perhaps some person 162 00:08:37,882 --> 00:08:40,592 or a combination of personalities out there, 163 00:08:40,592 --> 00:08:42,402 but I don't actually know of anyone 164 00:08:42,402 --> 00:08:44,452 who lived like Norma Desmond. 165 00:08:52,782 --> 00:08:54,489 - Hey Steve, it's Jeffrey. 166 00:08:54,489 --> 00:08:55,322 - Hi! 167 00:08:55,322 --> 00:08:56,172 - Good morning. 168 00:08:56,172 --> 00:08:58,800 - Can you see my ''Sunset Boulevard'' poster on the wall back there? 169 00:08:58,886 --> 00:09:00,618 YOUTUBE'S TIRED OLD QUEEN AT THE MOVIES 170 00:09:00,642 --> 00:09:02,952 I watched it twice last night. 171 00:09:02,952 --> 00:09:05,642 It's just the most brilliant screenplay. 172 00:09:05,642 --> 00:09:08,382 And it breaks so many taboos. 173 00:09:08,382 --> 00:09:11,282 Not only throwing the lid off old Hollywood and showing it 174 00:09:11,282 --> 00:09:13,862 for the gargoyle place that it was, 175 00:09:13,862 --> 00:09:16,199 but also the stigma about an older woman 176 00:09:16,199 --> 00:09:19,442 and a younger man, that was unheard of. 177 00:09:19,442 --> 00:09:21,982 - Turn around darling, let me dry you. 178 00:09:21,982 --> 00:09:24,171 - And you know how this is gonna end. 179 00:09:27,422 --> 00:09:29,872 - Were you aware that Gloria Swanson 180 00:09:29,872 --> 00:09:32,982 attempted to make a musical version of ''Sunset Boulevard?'' 181 00:09:32,982 --> 00:09:35,225 - No, I wasn't aware of that. 182 00:09:36,362 --> 00:09:38,812 This is really interesting to me because these days, 183 00:09:38,812 --> 00:09:40,779 every movie is made into a musical. 184 00:09:40,779 --> 00:09:42,692 ''Legally Blonde'' is now a singing, 185 00:09:42,692 --> 00:09:44,892 dancing, mega hit musical! 186 00:09:44,892 --> 00:09:46,942 - But, you know, back then in the '50s, 187 00:09:46,942 --> 00:09:48,422 that was very unusual. 188 00:09:48,422 --> 00:09:50,922 Well, how far along did they get with this 189 00:09:50,922 --> 00:09:52,892 and how faithful were they to the screenplay, 190 00:09:52,892 --> 00:09:53,725 to the dialogue? 191 00:09:53,725 --> 00:09:55,239 Did they get orchestrations of this musical? 192 00:09:55,239 --> 00:09:56,792 Did they do backer's auditions? 193 00:09:56,792 --> 00:09:58,912 Have you talked with anybody who did 194 00:09:58,912 --> 00:10:01,402 an original read-through or sing-through of this? 195 00:10:01,402 --> 00:10:03,212 Who were her collaborators on this? 196 00:10:03,212 --> 00:10:06,082 - Two guys named Dickson Hughes and Richard Stapley. 197 00:10:06,082 --> 00:10:07,412 Have you ever heard of them? 198 00:10:07,412 --> 00:10:08,483 - No. 199 00:10:22,717 --> 00:10:24,277 - Here for Steve. 200 00:10:24,302 --> 00:10:25,135 Thank you. 201 00:10:26,392 --> 00:10:28,192 Hello, hello. - Hey, how are you? 202 00:10:28,192 --> 00:10:29,085 - Good to see you. 203 00:10:29,085 --> 00:10:29,993 - Good to see you. 204 00:10:29,993 --> 00:10:30,832 Good to see you. - Thanks for having me. 205 00:10:30,832 --> 00:10:31,695 - I'm glad you could come over. 206 00:10:31,695 --> 00:10:34,672 So what is the Fred Bock Music Company actually? 207 00:10:34,672 --> 00:10:36,732 Well, it's a music publishing company. 208 00:10:36,732 --> 00:10:39,512 We do a lot of choir music for churches and schools, 209 00:10:39,512 --> 00:10:41,682 that's the bulk of what we do. 210 00:10:41,682 --> 00:10:44,082 My dad started the company 50 years ago, 211 00:10:44,082 --> 00:10:46,592 so it's pretty old. 212 00:10:46,592 --> 00:10:48,272 - Well I'm here for a reason. 213 00:10:48,272 --> 00:10:49,582 - Yes, I'm sure. 214 00:10:49,582 --> 00:10:51,112 - You know, and the reason is that 215 00:10:51,112 --> 00:10:53,332 you were close with Richard Stapley. 216 00:10:53,332 --> 00:10:56,772 - Oh, Richard Stapley, yes, I know Richard Stapley. 217 00:10:56,772 --> 00:10:57,782 Knew Richard Stapley, yes. 218 00:10:57,782 --> 00:11:00,772 And how did Richard Stapley come into your life? 219 00:11:02,652 --> 00:11:04,062 - Fred Bock Publishing Group. 220 00:11:04,062 --> 00:11:06,282 One day the phone rings in the office, 221 00:11:06,282 --> 00:11:10,142 and my assistant says there's a English gentleman 222 00:11:10,142 --> 00:11:11,992 on the phone named Richard Stapley, 223 00:11:11,992 --> 00:11:14,631 who says that you are his publisher. 224 00:11:15,192 --> 00:11:17,422 I pick up the phone and introduced myself, 225 00:11:17,422 --> 00:11:19,492 and he introduced himself, and sure enough, 226 00:11:19,492 --> 00:11:21,042 we're his publisher. 227 00:11:21,042 --> 00:11:24,092 He had some questions about the songs that he had written 228 00:11:24,092 --> 00:11:26,459 that were in our catalog, and so I made an arrangement, 229 00:11:26,553 --> 00:11:28,682 PRESIDENT, FRED BOCK MUSIC COMPANY let's have coffee. 230 00:11:29,882 --> 00:11:31,542 When I first met Richard, 231 00:11:31,542 --> 00:11:34,462 he struck me as being a little disheveled, 232 00:11:34,462 --> 00:11:37,235 in an English professorial sort of way. 233 00:11:38,262 --> 00:11:41,802 And what I thought would be a 30 minute get to know ya 234 00:11:41,802 --> 00:11:44,485 turned into a three hour conversation. 235 00:11:45,322 --> 00:11:48,272 Richard could tell a story, there's no question about that. 236 00:11:49,832 --> 00:11:51,701 And Richard had great stories to tell. 237 00:11:52,737 --> 00:11:55,177 And the most fantastical story of all, of course, 238 00:11:55,202 --> 00:11:57,902 is the story of his attempt to make 239 00:11:57,902 --> 00:12:00,989 the first musical version of ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 240 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:05,575 I did have a video made. 241 00:12:05,575 --> 00:12:08,662 I had him sit down and tell his story, 242 00:12:08,662 --> 00:12:10,142 and I really didn't have any plan 243 00:12:10,142 --> 00:12:11,602 as to what I was gonna do with it, 244 00:12:11,602 --> 00:12:13,982 I just thought somebody needs to do this. 245 00:12:13,982 --> 00:12:15,782 And we sat on it for years and years and years, 246 00:12:15,782 --> 00:12:17,732 and then all of a sudden you called me. 247 00:12:19,272 --> 00:12:20,322 You had a gut feeling 248 00:12:20,322 --> 00:12:22,432 that this story needed to be recorded. 249 00:12:22,432 --> 00:12:24,002 - Absolutely. 250 00:12:24,002 --> 00:12:26,562 I just knew that this was something 251 00:12:26,562 --> 00:12:28,335 that was gonna bubble back up. 252 00:12:29,342 --> 00:12:30,892 And if I didn't do it, 253 00:12:30,892 --> 00:12:32,542 if I didn't collect this stuff, 254 00:12:32,542 --> 00:12:34,502 if I didn't get Richard on camera, 255 00:12:34,502 --> 00:12:36,732 the story would go away. 256 00:12:36,732 --> 00:12:37,935 To me, that was wrong. 257 00:12:39,572 --> 00:12:41,730 All right, so here we are, the attic. 258 00:12:42,722 --> 00:12:43,555 This is it. 259 00:12:45,042 --> 00:12:49,415 Somewhere in there is a Richard Stapley box. 260 00:12:51,522 --> 00:12:52,572 Was there anything he didn't wanna talk 261 00:12:52,572 --> 00:12:54,594 about in that interview? 262 00:12:54,594 --> 00:12:56,992 - There were some things he was reluctant to talk about. 263 00:12:56,992 --> 00:12:59,119 He never said, ''I won't talk about it.'' 264 00:13:00,772 --> 00:13:04,232 I just knew in my gut, if I didn't get Richard on camera, 265 00:13:04,653 --> 00:13:06,332 it would all go away. 266 00:13:07,817 --> 00:13:10,136 When we got together in Pasadena with Richard 267 00:13:10,307 --> 00:13:13,237 and asked him all sorts of questions about his life, 268 00:13:13,262 --> 00:13:18,262 about his career, and Richard told the whole story. 269 00:13:18,322 --> 00:13:21,702 Some of it came easily, some of it did not come easily, 270 00:13:21,702 --> 00:13:23,495 but he told the story. 271 00:13:30,492 --> 00:13:33,232 NOVEMBER 6, 2006 - You want me to look at Tom rather than- 272 00:13:33,232 --> 00:13:34,275 - Look at Jim. - Look at me. 273 00:13:34,275 --> 00:13:36,355 I just, yeah, carrying a conversation. 274 00:13:37,932 --> 00:13:39,912 - Richard grew up in England, 275 00:13:40,362 --> 00:13:42,205 prior to and during World War II. 276 00:13:44,562 --> 00:13:48,132 MGM signed him with the goal of making him 277 00:13:48,132 --> 00:13:49,575 the English Clark Gable. 278 00:13:50,732 --> 00:13:53,462 He's a very good looking man, he carries himself well, 279 00:13:53,462 --> 00:13:55,765 he's British, and he can act. 280 00:13:57,122 --> 00:14:00,762 He moves to Hollywood, and his first film 281 00:14:00,762 --> 00:14:02,399 is ''The Three Musketeers.'' 282 00:14:02,656 --> 00:14:04,052 - She's laying on the floor. 283 00:14:04,052 --> 00:14:05,641 She's all doubled up. 284 00:14:05,641 --> 00:14:08,882 - Well, it was the extraordinary coming to Hollywood. 285 00:14:08,882 --> 00:14:11,842 Hollywood sent all these marvelous films that were magic 286 00:14:11,842 --> 00:14:15,069 and helped us get through the bad side of life 287 00:14:15,912 --> 00:14:18,032 and to come and be on the same stage 288 00:14:18,032 --> 00:14:20,253 with these people was really unreal. 289 00:14:20,278 --> 00:14:21,212 - I love you so. 290 00:14:21,237 --> 00:14:22,259 LITTLE WOMEN 291 00:14:22,284 --> 00:14:23,776 And even if you don't love me now, 292 00:14:24,252 --> 00:14:25,401 maybe you could learn to. 293 00:14:27,292 --> 00:14:29,002 - They put him in and a number of films 294 00:14:29,002 --> 00:14:30,542 opposite a number of big names 295 00:14:30,542 --> 00:14:32,495 to introduce him to the American market. 296 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,347 - My life was meaningless until I met you. 297 00:14:34,402 --> 00:14:35,682 THE STRANGE DOOR 298 00:14:36,132 --> 00:14:38,125 - Well it couldn't have been going better. 299 00:14:39,467 --> 00:14:43,287 I was feeling confident and completely at ease and happy, 300 00:14:43,312 --> 00:14:46,842 and I was really on top of the world. 301 00:14:46,842 --> 00:14:49,985 - No mortal man could endure such a paragon of virtue. 302 00:14:51,152 --> 00:14:53,818 - He did work a lot, but he was never challenged 303 00:14:53,842 --> 00:14:54,842 FRIEND OF RICHARD STAPLEY 304 00:14:54,902 --> 00:14:56,792 as an actor in those movies at all. 305 00:14:56,817 --> 00:14:58,822 - This information, in the hands of the Russians, 306 00:14:58,847 --> 00:14:59,923 CHARGE OF THE LANCERS 307 00:14:59,955 --> 00:15:01,518 could turn the tide of war against us. 308 00:15:02,482 --> 00:15:04,196 - Ultimately, it didn't work. 309 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:06,649 He didn't become the star that everybody thought 310 00:15:06,674 --> 00:15:08,641 FRIEND OF ROCHARD STAPLEY that he was going to be. 311 00:15:10,372 --> 00:15:13,842 The acting didn't really work out for him at MGM, 312 00:15:13,842 --> 00:15:16,085 and he was, at one point, cut loose. 313 00:15:17,762 --> 00:15:19,155 - Richard was a looker. 314 00:15:20,093 --> 00:15:21,498 Richard was blessed 315 00:15:21,537 --> 00:15:22,666 FRIEND OF RICHARD STAPLEY 316 00:15:22,691 --> 00:15:24,560 with a very photogenic face. 317 00:15:25,832 --> 00:15:30,181 Very handsome, very macho, very gay. 318 00:15:32,532 --> 00:15:35,125 He, like everybody else, kind of hid it. 319 00:15:36,412 --> 00:15:39,852 It was so unbelievably difficult 320 00:15:39,852 --> 00:15:42,902 to have been gay in the '50s. 321 00:15:42,902 --> 00:15:44,015 - You hate us so. 322 00:15:44,942 --> 00:15:47,242 I should think you'd be glad to get rid of us. 323 00:15:47,242 --> 00:15:49,845 - No one knew, 'cause no one wanted to know. 324 00:15:51,832 --> 00:15:53,822 - Richard's whole career had been one 325 00:15:53,822 --> 00:15:55,335 of being the leading man. 326 00:15:56,502 --> 00:15:59,925 As far as the public was concerned, he was a straight guy. 327 00:16:00,902 --> 00:16:03,385 But, obviously there was more to that story. 328 00:16:04,232 --> 00:16:07,242 You'd done film, you'd done stage. 329 00:16:07,242 --> 00:16:10,795 Where were you at that point, when you met Dickson Hughes? 330 00:16:12,182 --> 00:16:13,932 - How did I meet Dickson Hughes? 331 00:16:13,932 --> 00:16:15,242 Yeah. 332 00:16:15,242 --> 00:16:18,201 - He was, oh, I can't answer this, I'm sorry. 333 00:16:18,981 --> 00:16:20,339 I just can't answer. 334 00:16:25,763 --> 00:16:26,795 Hello? 335 00:16:26,820 --> 00:16:29,670 UNEARTHED INTERWIV WITH DICKSON HUGHES Oh yes, I'm calling for Mr. Dickson Hughes. 336 00:16:29,695 --> 00:16:30,528 Well it is him. 337 00:16:30,553 --> 00:16:32,102 - Yes, Mr. Hughes, I'm writing a book 338 00:16:32,102 --> 00:16:34,402 about the making of ''Sunset Boulevard'' 339 00:16:34,402 --> 00:16:37,112 from film to your musical version. 340 00:16:37,112 --> 00:16:38,189 Oh my God! 341 00:16:38,189 --> 00:16:39,258 Are you shocked? 342 00:16:39,258 --> 00:16:42,315 What in the, what inspired you to do that? 343 00:16:44,702 --> 00:16:47,402 - Dickson Hughes was a piano player 344 00:16:47,402 --> 00:16:49,705 who sang and wrote songs. 345 00:16:50,982 --> 00:16:54,695 And he supported himself by working bars or lounges. 346 00:16:55,562 --> 00:16:58,096 - I just love Dickson Hughes. 347 00:17:00,022 --> 00:17:01,955 He just naturally had a gift. 348 00:17:02,862 --> 00:17:06,405 Wonderful performer, and composer, and pianist. 349 00:17:07,284 --> 00:17:09,661 FRIEND OF DICKSON HUGHES He just makes it seem so easy. 350 00:17:09,717 --> 00:17:11,362 Everything he does, he's so relaxed. 351 00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:17,142 Richard Stapley, S-T-A-P-L-E-Y? 352 00:17:17,142 --> 00:17:18,989 Right, Stapley rather than Staply. 353 00:17:18,989 --> 00:17:22,762 Was my collaborator at the time, 354 00:17:22,762 --> 00:17:26,542 and I was really the principle creator. 355 00:17:26,542 --> 00:17:30,042 He was the idea person, and also he had, occasionally, 356 00:17:30,709 --> 00:17:33,002 some good critical assessments to make. 357 00:17:34,682 --> 00:17:37,252 I'm intrigued as to why Mr. Stapley vanished. 358 00:17:37,252 --> 00:17:39,199 Can you tell me a bit about that? 359 00:17:46,372 --> 00:17:49,022 - Richard had been married for a couple of years 360 00:17:49,022 --> 00:17:52,685 and the relationship was not going well at all. 361 00:17:54,042 --> 00:17:55,912 He and his wife decided 362 00:17:55,912 --> 00:17:57,506 to see if they could patch up their marriage. 363 00:17:58,932 --> 00:18:01,802 And so they drove up the California coast 364 00:18:01,802 --> 00:18:03,215 and stopped in Monterrey. 365 00:18:05,642 --> 00:18:08,912 And in the bar was a gentleman playing piano 366 00:18:08,912 --> 00:18:09,945 and singing songs. 367 00:18:11,002 --> 00:18:14,325 Dickson Hughes, who was the piano player at the hotel. 368 00:18:16,072 --> 00:18:18,105 Richard saw him across the room. 369 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:24,132 And the moment that he saw Dickson, it was electric. 370 00:18:25,459 --> 00:18:27,735 He knew his marriage was over, 371 00:18:28,612 --> 00:18:32,615 and that guy at the piano was who he needed to be with. 372 00:18:34,802 --> 00:18:37,532 At the time, you couldn't say, ''We're a couple,'' 373 00:18:37,532 --> 00:18:40,901 and so they told everybody that they were writing partners. 374 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:43,072 And that worked out conveniently 375 00:18:43,072 --> 00:18:46,552 because Dickson was a very good composer, 376 00:18:46,552 --> 00:18:48,659 and Richard was a very good lyricist. 377 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:51,941 And so they started writing songs. 378 00:18:51,966 --> 00:18:55,907 ♪ I belong to the restless breed ♪ 379 00:18:56,012 --> 00:18:57,292 - The musical person 380 00:18:57,292 --> 00:19:01,342 who had the real musical talent, was Dickson. 381 00:19:01,342 --> 00:19:04,942 And I could communicate very, very closely to him, 382 00:19:04,942 --> 00:19:07,452 even though I couldn't write music. 383 00:19:07,452 --> 00:19:09,822 There was something between the two of us 384 00:19:09,822 --> 00:19:12,071 that did make things work. 385 00:19:15,032 --> 00:19:18,162 I was always intensely interested in musicals. 386 00:19:18,162 --> 00:19:21,722 We came up with an idea for a show called ''About Time.'' 387 00:19:21,722 --> 00:19:24,058 It was based on Time Magazine. 388 00:19:24,532 --> 00:19:26,682 - The big question was who's gonna play the lead 389 00:19:26,682 --> 00:19:29,722 in ''About Time,'' which was the editor, 390 00:19:29,722 --> 00:19:31,712 and that was to be a woman? 391 00:19:31,712 --> 00:19:33,022 And somebody said, 392 00:19:33,022 --> 00:19:35,782 you really should go talk to Gloria Swanson about this. 393 00:19:35,782 --> 00:19:37,878 - Tonight, we go after the profile of a legend, 394 00:19:37,894 --> 00:19:39,028 THE MIKE WALLACE INTERVIEW 395 00:19:39,052 --> 00:19:41,582 the story of one of Hollywood's most spectacular links 396 00:19:41,582 --> 00:19:44,875 with its glamorous heyday, the story is Gloria Swanson. 397 00:19:50,142 --> 00:19:53,092 This is what she looked like in the fabulous '20s, 398 00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:56,192 when she made a reported million dollars a year 399 00:19:56,192 --> 00:19:57,962 as a super-seductive sex symbol 400 00:19:57,962 --> 00:20:01,209 in films like ''Male and Female,'' and ''Zaza.'' 401 00:20:02,292 --> 00:20:05,285 She was then called the most glamorous woman in the world. 402 00:20:06,232 --> 00:20:07,772 Women copied her hairstyle 403 00:20:07,772 --> 00:20:10,772 and her seductive, come hither look, 404 00:20:10,772 --> 00:20:13,515 and she's sold more tickets than Valentino. 405 00:20:14,862 --> 00:20:18,645 Today, Ms. Swanson is a legend within her own lifetime. 406 00:20:19,642 --> 00:20:22,302 An opinionated woman with an unpredictable future 407 00:20:22,302 --> 00:20:24,120 and a sensational past. 408 00:20:25,817 --> 00:20:26,972 - What I think we need to understand 409 00:20:26,972 --> 00:20:28,922 about when Gloria Swanson came to fame, 410 00:20:29,738 --> 00:20:34,338 FILM HISTORIAN 95% of all Americans lived within 15 miles 411 00:20:34,372 --> 00:20:35,672 of where they'd been born. 412 00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:40,125 They knew nothing about the rest of the world. 413 00:20:41,172 --> 00:20:43,072 When the movie theater came to town, 414 00:20:43,072 --> 00:20:44,632 they could walk around the corner 415 00:20:44,632 --> 00:20:46,582 and there was the world on this screen. 416 00:20:47,932 --> 00:20:52,692 And then all of a sudden, walks out this gorgeous creature 417 00:20:52,692 --> 00:20:55,122 with furs, and jewels, 418 00:20:55,122 --> 00:20:56,992 and clearly here's a woman 419 00:20:56,992 --> 00:20:59,475 who has been around the block more than once. 420 00:20:59,758 --> 00:21:00,758 STAGE STRUCK 421 00:21:00,852 --> 00:21:03,462 And I like to think of the young woman sitting 422 00:21:03,462 --> 00:21:05,029 in that audience going, 423 00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:07,369 ''I've finally found my kindred soul.'' 424 00:21:08,302 --> 00:21:11,742 And Gloria Swanson, more than anyone else, 425 00:21:11,742 --> 00:21:13,965 represented that sense of possibility. 426 00:21:14,902 --> 00:21:16,392 Imagine what that was like. 427 00:21:17,619 --> 00:21:19,694 VOICE OF GLORIA SWANSON - And I've always believed 428 00:21:19,719 --> 00:21:22,662 that the screen should be an auditorium of escape, 429 00:21:22,662 --> 00:21:23,495 a dream world. 430 00:21:24,652 --> 00:21:26,785 This is what I think women want. 431 00:21:28,575 --> 00:21:30,770 And it was she who made the pictures 432 00:21:30,795 --> 00:21:33,845 so well-known not only in America, but throughout the world. 433 00:21:33,922 --> 00:21:37,391 And most of these pictures allowed people to escape 434 00:21:37,712 --> 00:21:39,212 through romance and love. 435 00:21:39,594 --> 00:21:44,594 And I have a hunch that romance and love are not dead. 436 00:21:46,897 --> 00:21:50,063 - Gloria Swanson was certainly one of the greatest stars 437 00:21:50,134 --> 00:21:52,295 FILM HISTORIAN of the silent film era. 438 00:21:53,362 --> 00:21:56,508 There was something about her that was just made for films. 439 00:21:56,982 --> 00:22:01,085 And she's always interesting-looking and provocative. 440 00:22:02,132 --> 00:22:04,062 From the silent days to sound 441 00:22:04,062 --> 00:22:06,512 in the late '20s, the talkies arrived, 442 00:22:06,512 --> 00:22:10,072 did you believe that sound films were gonna take over? 443 00:22:10,072 --> 00:22:11,862 Yes, I did, very much so. 444 00:22:12,266 --> 00:22:13,782 Well, your first talking picture 445 00:22:13,782 --> 00:22:15,134 was '' The Trespasser,'' right? 446 00:22:15,134 --> 00:22:16,138 - That's correct, yes. 447 00:22:16,287 --> 00:22:17,389 It's Marion! 448 00:22:17,444 --> 00:22:18,482 THE TRESPASSER 449 00:22:18,506 --> 00:22:20,192 Jack, it's Marion. 450 00:22:20,192 --> 00:22:24,282 FILM HISTORIAN - Her silent films resonated a stardom 451 00:22:24,282 --> 00:22:26,213 that could not be upheld in talkies. 452 00:22:26,238 --> 00:22:27,526 GLORIA SWANSON IN INDISCREET 453 00:22:27,706 --> 00:22:29,322 - Tomorrow, when I return to Budapest, 454 00:22:29,347 --> 00:22:30,573 TONIGHT OR NEVER 455 00:22:30,597 --> 00:22:32,982 I shall carry with me the memory of this night 456 00:22:32,982 --> 00:22:34,252 and of you. 457 00:22:34,277 --> 00:22:36,850 Her sound movies were not successful. 458 00:22:37,772 --> 00:22:41,012 - Gloria was in that in-between stage. 459 00:22:41,012 --> 00:22:43,202 She was 30-something, 460 00:22:43,202 --> 00:22:45,422 but no vehicle could be found 461 00:22:45,422 --> 00:22:47,889 that could use her successfully. 462 00:22:47,889 --> 00:22:50,118 - I wish I had known it was going to end this way. 463 00:22:50,142 --> 00:22:51,142 INDISCREET 464 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,445 - And at that point, no film offers were forthcoming. 465 00:22:56,492 --> 00:22:59,755 And Gloria was pretty much out of work. 466 00:23:02,072 --> 00:23:04,215 But Gloria still lived like a star. 467 00:23:05,222 --> 00:23:07,325 She was Gloria Swanson, after all. 468 00:23:08,182 --> 00:23:12,982 So she had find some way to maintain that lifestyle. 469 00:23:12,982 --> 00:23:16,442 - What she did was move to New York in 1940 470 00:23:16,442 --> 00:23:18,622 and sort of reinvented herself. 471 00:23:18,622 --> 00:23:19,572 You know, Gloria, 472 00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:21,822 seeing you in Macy's Department store the other day 473 00:23:21,822 --> 00:23:23,702 with all those people flocking around you 474 00:23:23,702 --> 00:23:24,972 asking for your autograph, 475 00:23:24,972 --> 00:23:27,562 made me certain they would flock to see your next picture 476 00:23:27,562 --> 00:23:29,142 or tune in when you broadcast. 477 00:23:29,142 --> 00:23:31,851 As far as I'm concerned, you're still box office. 478 00:23:34,852 --> 00:23:38,808 - Gloria Swanson was famous for being herself at that point. 479 00:23:38,808 --> 00:23:41,342 Gloria Swanson became the character. 480 00:23:41,342 --> 00:23:44,682 And she always had the aura of a big star, 481 00:23:44,682 --> 00:23:46,558 even though she wasn't making a lot of movies. 482 00:23:47,672 --> 00:23:48,727 - And she adored that. 483 00:23:48,752 --> 00:23:51,019 She adored being adored. 484 00:23:51,497 --> 00:23:53,532 She would do whatever she needed to do. 485 00:23:53,532 --> 00:23:56,442 - The Crown Jewel is so dainty and feminine, 486 00:23:56,442 --> 00:23:58,725 yet it shaves so close and fast. 487 00:23:59,092 --> 00:24:00,455 THE BEAUTIFUL WORLD OF ESSENCE OF NATURE 488 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,372 She's got her own cosmetic line. 489 00:24:02,372 --> 00:24:03,242 How do you manage 490 00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:05,402 to keep such a beautiful complexion? 491 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,132 - She has her own clothes line. 492 00:24:07,132 --> 00:24:08,972 - Once Hollywood's top of the star, 493 00:24:08,972 --> 00:24:11,032 Gloria is now a top dress designer. 494 00:24:11,912 --> 00:24:14,372 - She's designing these clothes, 495 00:24:14,372 --> 00:24:16,132 clothes for the average woman 496 00:24:16,132 --> 00:24:18,145 who really longs for couture. 497 00:24:19,032 --> 00:24:23,079 She never hesitated to take the next opportunity. 498 00:24:24,017 --> 00:24:25,372 Television is coming in. 499 00:24:25,402 --> 00:24:27,130 - Gloria Swanson! 500 00:24:28,991 --> 00:24:31,591 - She was the cover girl on the very first TV Guide. 501 00:24:32,157 --> 00:24:33,229 THE GLORIA SWANSON HOUR 502 00:24:33,254 --> 00:24:36,422 She agreed to do this talk show in New York. 503 00:24:37,542 --> 00:24:39,112 That's what she was doing 504 00:24:39,112 --> 00:24:42,618 when Billy Wilder found her for ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 505 00:24:43,365 --> 00:24:45,756 - You've made a rope of words and strangled this business, 506 00:24:45,781 --> 00:24:46,801 SUNSET BOULEVARD 507 00:24:46,826 --> 00:24:49,449 but there's a microphone right there to catch the last gurgles, 508 00:24:49,497 --> 00:24:52,383 and Technicolor to photograph the red swollen tongue. 509 00:24:59,252 --> 00:25:02,025 - Initially, Gloria's part was not as big, 510 00:25:03,092 --> 00:25:06,642 but they became more enamored with her and her ability 511 00:25:06,642 --> 00:25:08,292 and what she brought to the part. 512 00:25:09,302 --> 00:25:12,443 Norma Desmond was created in process. 513 00:25:12,827 --> 00:25:15,527 - Everything that's in ''Sunset Boulevard'' 514 00:25:15,552 --> 00:25:17,492 is mirrored in her life. 515 00:25:17,492 --> 00:25:18,372 - And remember darling, 516 00:25:18,372 --> 00:25:19,672 I don't work before 10 in the morning 517 00:25:19,672 --> 00:25:22,242 and never after 4:30 in the afternoon. 518 00:25:22,242 --> 00:25:26,235 - She put it all out there to create Norma Desmond. 519 00:25:27,782 --> 00:25:30,062 She was willing to show herself 520 00:25:30,062 --> 00:25:33,732 in a way that anybody with a different kind of pride 521 00:25:33,732 --> 00:25:36,321 never would have allowed themselves to be characterized. 522 00:25:36,812 --> 00:25:38,312 Gloria never would have thought 523 00:25:38,312 --> 00:25:41,238 about how it was gonna reflect on her in real life. 524 00:25:41,238 --> 00:25:43,172 - Now, I didn't know you were planning a comeback. 525 00:25:43,172 --> 00:25:45,797 - I hate that word, it's a return! 526 00:25:46,282 --> 00:25:47,932 A retur to the millions of people 527 00:25:47,932 --> 00:25:50,205 who've never forgiven me for deserting the screen. 528 00:25:52,932 --> 00:25:55,172 Gloria Swanson, one of the great personalities 529 00:25:55,172 --> 00:25:56,672 of this generation, in a role 530 00:25:56,672 --> 00:25:59,305 that comes to an actress once in a lifetime. 531 00:25:59,762 --> 00:26:03,362 - When she finally hit the jackpot with ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 532 00:26:03,362 --> 00:26:05,242 it rejuvenated her career. 533 00:26:05,242 --> 00:26:06,807 - Ms. Gloria Swanson! 534 00:26:07,652 --> 00:26:10,930 - She got a kind of fresh start. 535 00:26:11,492 --> 00:26:13,762 She really allowed herself 536 00:26:13,762 --> 00:26:16,382 to become a movie star a second time. 537 00:26:16,382 --> 00:26:19,032 The most famous movie star of them all, 538 00:26:19,032 --> 00:26:21,232 the answer is glorious Gloria. 539 00:26:21,232 --> 00:26:24,072 Hollywood is at her feet. 540 00:26:24,072 --> 00:26:28,433 - She was nominated for best actress for ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 541 00:26:28,642 --> 00:26:32,141 and it was absolutely expected that she was gonna win. 542 00:26:32,166 --> 00:26:33,994 - The nominations for the best actress are, 543 00:26:34,019 --> 00:26:35,968 THE 23RD ACADEMY AWARDS MARCH 29,1951 544 00:26:35,992 --> 00:26:38,695 Ms. Anne Baxter in ''All About Eve'' 20th Century Fox. 545 00:26:39,922 --> 00:26:42,555 Ms. Betty Davis, ''All About Eve'' 20th Century Fox. 546 00:26:43,802 --> 00:26:46,329 Ms. Judy Holliday in ''Born Yesterday,'' Columbia. 547 00:26:46,872 --> 00:26:49,022 Eleanor Parker in ''Caged,'' Warner brothers. 548 00:26:49,922 --> 00:26:52,722 And Ms. Gloria Swanson in ''Sunset Boulevard,'' Paramount. 549 00:26:53,852 --> 00:26:55,704 The winner is Judy Holliday. 550 00:27:02,252 --> 00:27:04,752 - Gloria really thought this was finally her year. 551 00:27:05,802 --> 00:27:08,012 She really wanted the approval 552 00:27:08,012 --> 00:27:11,545 and the acknowledgement that she was still there. 553 00:27:13,613 --> 00:27:15,977 - There weren't a lot of opportunities for her in film, 554 00:27:17,042 --> 00:27:18,632 because all that hit 555 00:27:18,632 --> 00:27:20,965 right at the time when she was of an age, 556 00:27:20,965 --> 00:27:23,515 when it would be very difficult to cast her anyway. 557 00:27:24,445 --> 00:27:25,517 That was wonderful, 558 00:27:25,542 --> 00:27:27,302 and it was a magic, wonderful picture. 559 00:27:27,302 --> 00:27:29,482 I wept when it was over. 560 00:27:29,482 --> 00:27:32,502 I sort of knew, I guess, there'd be nothing to follow it, 561 00:27:32,502 --> 00:27:34,692 perhaps there never will be. 562 00:27:34,692 --> 00:27:36,792 - I don't think Gloria Swanson could ever get away 563 00:27:36,792 --> 00:27:38,792 from Norma Desmond the rest of her life. 564 00:27:40,262 --> 00:27:43,079 She was so identified with Norma Desmond. 565 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,279 In the people's minds she was Norma Desmond, 566 00:27:46,372 --> 00:27:49,082 to the point that she wasn't being offered other things. 567 00:27:49,082 --> 00:27:50,892 Well, are you through with Hollywood? 568 00:27:50,892 --> 00:27:51,725 Following Sunset- 569 00:27:51,725 --> 00:27:52,902 - Now, wait a minute, am I through with Hollywood 570 00:27:52,902 --> 00:27:54,302 or are they through with me? 571 00:28:00,847 --> 00:28:02,492 We told her that we had this property. 572 00:28:03,034 --> 00:28:05,842 A musical review called ''About Time'' 573 00:28:05,842 --> 00:28:08,525 that we'd like to have her listen to. 574 00:28:10,402 --> 00:28:12,945 She sent us a telegram with her phone number. 575 00:28:15,362 --> 00:28:19,195 Turns out that she was, at that time, house guesting in LA. 576 00:28:21,052 --> 00:28:24,142 - She was staying at a friend's house on Mulholland Drive, 577 00:28:24,142 --> 00:28:26,555 a very glamorous Japanese mansion. 578 00:28:27,612 --> 00:28:30,402 It was 10 minutes, I suppose, before she made her entrance, 579 00:28:30,402 --> 00:28:32,915 and when she did, her entrance was dramatic. 580 00:28:36,002 --> 00:28:39,705 It was with a steaming cup of liquid. 581 00:28:41,072 --> 00:28:44,569 We had taken the content of the review to play it for her. 582 00:28:44,569 --> 00:28:46,032 Visualize the stage setting 583 00:28:46,032 --> 00:28:48,269 representing open pages of a magazine. 584 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:50,682 For the moment, only one side is lighted, 585 00:28:50,682 --> 00:28:52,452 and there, we see a beautiful model 586 00:28:52,452 --> 00:28:53,702 posing in a brassiere ad. 587 00:28:54,722 --> 00:28:55,992 She thought that sounded like a role 588 00:28:55,992 --> 00:28:57,287 that she would have fun with, 589 00:28:57,822 --> 00:28:59,042 but she had just recently 590 00:28:59,042 --> 00:29:01,295 had a very bad experience in New York. 591 00:29:02,356 --> 00:29:03,622 She had done a play called ''Nina,'' 592 00:29:03,622 --> 00:29:05,392 which was just blasted by the critics, 593 00:29:05,392 --> 00:29:06,985 and they didn't much like her. 594 00:29:08,042 --> 00:29:10,552 And she was still smarting from the wounds 595 00:29:11,006 --> 00:29:13,035 of some unkind, critical response. 596 00:29:13,902 --> 00:29:15,652 She said she just would never, ever 597 00:29:15,652 --> 00:29:18,170 do anything on Broadway again. 598 00:29:18,642 --> 00:29:20,792 - So I said, well, this is the end of that. 599 00:29:21,742 --> 00:29:25,859 And then she said, ''Unless somebody could come up 600 00:29:25,859 --> 00:29:30,759 ''with an idea of making 'Sunset Boulevard' into a musical.'' 601 00:29:33,382 --> 00:29:35,392 Well, the minute she said that, of course, 602 00:29:35,392 --> 00:29:38,443 we got very excited and said, oh my god, what a thought. 603 00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:42,375 We said, let us think about this and get back to you. 604 00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:44,497 BOULEVARD! A HOLLYWOOD STORY 605 00:29:44,742 --> 00:29:47,312 Next morning, we got up, Stapley and I, 606 00:29:47,685 --> 00:29:51,152 just wildly excited about this incredible project 607 00:29:51,152 --> 00:29:52,925 that we might get involved with. 608 00:29:54,342 --> 00:29:56,192 Felt that show needed a moment 609 00:29:56,192 --> 00:30:00,032 at the very beginning to show who this woman really is, 610 00:30:00,032 --> 00:30:01,542 and he had a great idea, 611 00:30:01,542 --> 00:30:03,172 and that was to do this number 612 00:30:03,172 --> 00:30:05,505 based on her next to last line in the film. 613 00:30:06,115 --> 00:30:08,435 - There's nothing else, just us. 614 00:30:10,118 --> 00:30:10,951 And the cameras. 615 00:30:12,132 --> 00:30:15,972 And those wonderful people out there in the dark. 616 00:30:17,572 --> 00:30:18,599 So I sat down at the piano, 617 00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:20,365 and I started just noodling. 618 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,709 Those wonderful people out there in the dark. 619 00:30:24,302 --> 00:30:26,742 It's an absolute full disclosure 620 00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:28,542 of who and what this woman really is 621 00:30:28,542 --> 00:30:30,585 underneath her neurosis and her madness. 622 00:30:32,597 --> 00:30:35,032 Drive back up to the house the next day, 623 00:30:35,032 --> 00:30:37,982 and we said, what do you think of this? 624 00:30:37,982 --> 00:30:41,409 - I was on this side, and Gloria was that side, 625 00:30:41,409 --> 00:30:45,448 and here is Dickson playing on his piano, our music. 626 00:30:46,829 --> 00:30:50,207 GLORIA SWANSON SING ''WONDERFUL PEOPLE'' ♪ However they flatter ♪ 627 00:30:50,207 --> 00:30:53,433 ♪ I'll still be out where ♪ 628 00:30:53,433 --> 00:30:56,292 ♪ The people who matter ♪ 629 00:30:56,292 --> 00:30:58,628 ♪ The people who care ♪ 630 00:30:58,628 --> 00:31:02,948 ♪ Are the ones who silently give me ♪ 631 00:31:02,948 --> 00:31:07,610 ♪ That magical spark ♪ 632 00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:11,391 ♪ Those wonderful people ♪ 633 00:31:11,391 --> 00:31:14,724 ♪ Out there in the dark ♪ 634 00:31:18,722 --> 00:31:19,832 In that song, 635 00:31:19,857 --> 00:31:23,137 there was something extraordinary captured. 636 00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:24,490 FROM BOULEVARD! DEMO TAPES 637 00:31:24,515 --> 00:31:28,052 I just want to tell you all how happy I am to be back in the studio, 638 00:31:28,052 --> 00:31:29,842 making a picture again. 639 00:31:29,842 --> 00:31:34,382 You don't know how much I've missed you all. 640 00:31:34,382 --> 00:31:36,452 - It was really very, very moving 641 00:31:36,452 --> 00:31:38,952 because that part was everything 642 00:31:38,952 --> 00:31:40,452 that she'd ever dreamed about. 643 00:31:41,832 --> 00:31:45,029 If only I could do this every night. 644 00:31:45,462 --> 00:31:48,115 That was the last thing when she got off the set. 645 00:31:49,122 --> 00:31:51,002 She was always thinking of those people 646 00:31:51,002 --> 00:31:52,952 out in the dark that never let me down. 647 00:31:57,898 --> 00:31:59,258 She called Paramount. 648 00:31:59,877 --> 00:32:03,285 She called her pal there was a man named DA Duran. 649 00:32:04,682 --> 00:32:07,472 He was an old chum from her Paramount days 650 00:32:07,472 --> 00:32:10,493 who was in a responsible position there at the studio. 651 00:32:11,127 --> 00:32:13,334 She called him up, she says, ''DA, this is Gloria. 652 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,329 ''Now listen, I want you to hear something,'' 653 00:32:15,329 --> 00:32:16,865 and she put the phone out to me, 654 00:32:16,865 --> 00:32:18,692 and I'm there sitting at the piano 655 00:32:18,692 --> 00:32:20,932 so I started to do the song. 656 00:32:20,932 --> 00:32:22,402 And I could hear his voice 657 00:32:22,402 --> 00:32:25,959 going like, ''Gloria, what is this?'' 658 00:32:26,422 --> 00:32:29,019 So after I finished the first section of the song, 659 00:32:29,019 --> 00:32:31,192 she said, ''Isn't that brilliant?'' 660 00:32:31,192 --> 00:32:34,362 And he said, ''Well, it's very interesting, what is it?'' 661 00:32:34,362 --> 00:32:35,502 So then she said, well, 662 00:32:35,502 --> 00:32:37,802 she met these two brilliant young men, 663 00:32:37,802 --> 00:32:39,952 and we had the marvelous thought 664 00:32:39,952 --> 00:32:43,192 of doing a Broadway musical based on ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 665 00:32:43,192 --> 00:32:45,595 and what did she need to do to get the rights? 666 00:32:47,232 --> 00:32:51,622 - She decided that she and I should go down to Paramount 667 00:32:51,622 --> 00:32:53,125 and meet DA Duran. 668 00:32:54,772 --> 00:32:55,979 She said, ''Don't worry, you know, 669 00:32:55,979 --> 00:32:57,819 ''I've known DA Duran forever 670 00:32:57,819 --> 00:33:00,379 ''and he always gives me everything I want.'' 671 00:33:01,222 --> 00:33:04,862 We'd gone down to Paramount, and I was all dressed up, 672 00:33:04,862 --> 00:33:06,782 and she was really dressed up 673 00:33:06,782 --> 00:33:08,382 with a veil and everything else. 674 00:33:09,283 --> 00:33:11,798 We got down to the studio, they opened the gates. 675 00:33:12,822 --> 00:33:15,352 And we drove in in the car, 676 00:33:15,352 --> 00:33:19,502 and then suddenly Gloria became really Gloria Swanson. 677 00:33:19,502 --> 00:33:21,572 - And teach your friend some manners. 678 00:33:21,572 --> 00:33:23,492 Tell him without me, he wouldn't have any job, 679 00:33:23,492 --> 00:33:25,662 because without me, there wouldn't be any Paramount Studio. 680 00:33:25,662 --> 00:33:27,512 - You're right, Ms. Desmond. 681 00:33:27,512 --> 00:33:31,462 - And it was so marvelous to see this professional 682 00:33:31,462 --> 00:33:34,881 take over the private in that one moment. 683 00:33:37,252 --> 00:33:39,787 They certainly were most enthusiastic, 684 00:33:40,552 --> 00:33:43,155 and there was an option granted for one year. 685 00:33:44,462 --> 00:33:48,263 It was always her personal assurance from DA Duran. 686 00:33:48,442 --> 00:33:51,782 Gloria, don't worry, it's all okay, it'll be fine. 687 00:33:51,782 --> 00:33:54,725 Just a very personal reassurance. 688 00:33:55,672 --> 00:33:57,042 Probably as much as anything 689 00:33:57,042 --> 00:33:59,085 just not wanting to make her unhappy. 690 00:34:00,162 --> 00:34:02,792 - Well, it wasn't given in per se, 691 00:34:02,792 --> 00:34:05,693 I mean it was given very, very casually. 692 00:34:06,042 --> 00:34:10,252 Nothing really appeared to be hard and fast signed. 693 00:34:10,252 --> 00:34:12,722 It was always okay to go ahead, 694 00:34:12,722 --> 00:34:14,422 as long as we approve the numbers. 695 00:34:18,192 --> 00:34:19,882 We were commissioned by her 696 00:34:19,882 --> 00:34:21,675 to do this adaptation. 697 00:34:22,832 --> 00:34:25,662 She did have at the time a very rich boyfriend 698 00:34:26,502 --> 00:34:28,772 who was madly devoted to her 699 00:34:28,772 --> 00:34:30,762 and would help her in any way he could 700 00:34:30,762 --> 00:34:32,465 to foot some of the bills. 701 00:34:33,322 --> 00:34:36,482 - And for the next three months, they were in Palm Springs 702 00:34:36,482 --> 00:34:38,157 writing ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 703 00:34:42,137 --> 00:34:44,677 - Well, at our age we were very impressed 704 00:34:44,702 --> 00:34:47,052 to be staying in Palm Springs 705 00:34:47,052 --> 00:34:48,792 in this lyrical kind of place, 706 00:34:48,792 --> 00:34:50,715 which was wonderful to create in. 707 00:34:51,875 --> 00:34:53,732 And she was like a child she was so happy 708 00:34:53,732 --> 00:34:55,955 because she felt everything was going right. 709 00:34:56,964 --> 00:34:58,814 GLORIA SWANSON'S LETTER TO FANS FEBRUARY.1955 710 00:34:58,839 --> 00:35:01,822 If you haven't heard the good news, let me tell you that ''Sunset Boulevard'' 711 00:35:01,822 --> 00:35:04,072 is now in the throes of being written 712 00:35:04,072 --> 00:35:06,622 into a musical for the stage. 713 00:35:06,622 --> 00:35:09,322 I can barely contain myself. 714 00:35:09,322 --> 00:35:12,082 Another wish has been granted me, 715 00:35:12,082 --> 00:35:14,505 and I am truly blessed. 716 00:35:15,705 --> 00:35:18,986 MAPS! MAPS! MAPS! ♪ We assure every tour ♪ 717 00:35:19,011 --> 00:35:23,404 ♪ Shows all studios both well known and obscure ♪ 718 00:35:23,404 --> 00:35:26,364 UNTITLED LOVE STORY ♪ Where am I ♪ 719 00:35:26,364 --> 00:35:30,865 ♪ In this some type of love story ♪ 720 00:35:30,865 --> 00:35:33,480 ♪ Where's the part ♪ 721 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,062 ♪ For me ♪ 722 00:35:36,062 --> 00:35:39,030 STAY CLOSE ♪ Stay close ♪ 723 00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:44,030 ♪ As a swift wave is close to the sea ♪ 724 00:35:44,202 --> 00:35:47,742 - Gloria did not go to Rodgers and Hammerstein 725 00:35:47,742 --> 00:35:49,215 and commission this musical. 726 00:35:50,832 --> 00:35:55,672 Instead, she took two unknown songwriters just starting out, 727 00:35:55,672 --> 00:35:56,832 and thought she would get 728 00:35:56,832 --> 00:35:58,587 a Broadway quality score out of it. 729 00:35:58,587 --> 00:36:01,265 DOORS ARE CLOSED ♪ The doors are closed ♪ 730 00:36:01,265 --> 00:36:03,819 ♪ Where's the key ♪ 731 00:36:03,819 --> 00:36:05,622 I first saw ''Sunset Boulevard'' 732 00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:08,523 when it first was released in 1950. 733 00:36:08,523 --> 00:36:11,202 It was a wonderful movie experience, 734 00:36:11,202 --> 00:36:14,448 but it never occurred to me that it should have songs added to it. 735 00:36:14,651 --> 00:36:16,172 - There was a time in this business 736 00:36:16,172 --> 00:36:19,178 when they had the eyes of the whole wide world, 737 00:36:19,178 --> 00:36:21,662 but that wasn't good enough for them, oh no. 738 00:36:21,662 --> 00:36:23,722 They had to have the ears of the world, too. 739 00:36:23,722 --> 00:36:25,572 So they opened their big mouths, 740 00:36:25,572 --> 00:36:29,272 and out came talk, talk, talk! 741 00:36:29,272 --> 00:36:31,722 They once had the eyes of the world, but no, 742 00:36:31,722 --> 00:36:33,492 TALK! TALK! TALK! that just wouldn't do. 743 00:36:33,492 --> 00:36:35,252 But the eyes of the world are not enough 744 00:36:35,252 --> 00:36:37,152 if you don't have the world's ears, too. 745 00:36:37,152 --> 00:36:38,872 They all agree that talk's a thing 746 00:36:38,872 --> 00:36:40,732 they could not do without, 747 00:36:40,732 --> 00:36:42,802 so they opened up their big mouths 748 00:36:42,802 --> 00:36:45,649 and look what came out. 749 00:36:45,649 --> 00:36:48,313 ♪ But you've got to have talk, talk, talk ♪ 750 00:36:48,313 --> 00:36:49,913 ♪ Chatter, chatter, chatter ♪ 751 00:36:49,913 --> 00:36:51,227 ♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪ 752 00:36:51,227 --> 00:36:52,948 ♪ Frill, and sass, and patter ♪ 753 00:36:52,948 --> 00:36:56,089 ♪ Loud, distracting, strident and rough ♪ 754 00:36:56,089 --> 00:36:58,522 ♪ But pantomime acting isn't enough ♪ 755 00:36:58,522 --> 00:36:59,686 - No? - No! 756 00:36:59,686 --> 00:37:01,909 ♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪ 757 00:37:01,909 --> 00:37:04,932 ''Sunset Boulevard'' doesn't immediately lent itself 758 00:37:04,932 --> 00:37:07,152 to the idea of the Broadway stage 759 00:37:07,152 --> 00:37:10,157 because the film itself is very dark. 760 00:37:10,632 --> 00:37:11,822 The story remained the same, 761 00:37:11,822 --> 00:37:13,432 but restructuring the storyline 762 00:37:13,432 --> 00:37:16,172 to make it a theatrical piece rather than a film 763 00:37:16,172 --> 00:37:19,652 was a tremendous amount of reworking the material. 764 00:37:19,652 --> 00:37:21,875 - We didn't need dialogue, we had faces. 765 00:37:23,062 --> 00:37:25,632 So the Broadway of the 1950s, you're saying, 766 00:37:25,632 --> 00:37:27,502 was not as suitable, necessarily, 767 00:37:27,502 --> 00:37:29,803 to this kind of dark material? 768 00:37:29,803 --> 00:37:33,063 ''I COULD HAVE DANCE ALL NIGHT'' FROM MY FAIR LADY 769 00:37:33,063 --> 00:37:36,542 ♪ I could've danced all night ♪ 770 00:37:36,542 --> 00:37:40,982 - The depths and madness of ''Sunset Boulevard,'' 771 00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:43,002 musically that really wasn't 772 00:37:43,002 --> 00:37:46,182 what show tunes did at that point. 773 00:37:46,182 --> 00:37:48,422 There might've been power, and passion, and yearning. 774 00:37:48,447 --> 00:37:49,597 There were a lot of emotions 775 00:37:49,644 --> 00:37:50,784 ETHEL MERMAN IN GYPSY 776 00:37:50,809 --> 00:37:53,032 that '50s Broadway could encompass, 777 00:37:53,032 --> 00:37:54,503 but Billy Wilder himself had said, 778 00:37:54,528 --> 00:37:55,611 DIRECTOR, SUNSET BOULEVARD 779 00:37:55,636 --> 00:37:58,007 ''Oh no, it shouldn't be a musical. It should be an opera.'' 780 00:37:58,032 --> 00:38:00,772 A mad scene's perfectly appropriate in that. 781 00:38:00,772 --> 00:38:07,238 THE TRESPASSER ♪ Lo, your magic spell is everywhere ♪ 782 00:38:07,826 --> 00:38:14,834 ♪ Lo, I knew you well and found you fair ♪ 783 00:38:15,312 --> 00:38:17,724 Ms. Swanson, how important to you is music? 784 00:38:18,307 --> 00:38:19,638 Oh, I can't live without it. 785 00:38:19,663 --> 00:38:20,973 LOVE YOUR SPELL IS EVERYWHERE 786 00:38:20,998 --> 00:38:23,162 I don't know one note from another. 787 00:38:23,162 --> 00:38:26,025 I don't even know which key I sing in. 788 00:38:27,112 --> 00:38:29,170 I wanted to be an opera singer, 789 00:38:29,602 --> 00:38:31,512 but somehow I got waylaid 790 00:38:31,512 --> 00:38:34,672 and I got on the merry-go-round of the picture business, 791 00:38:34,672 --> 00:38:36,309 and couldn't get off. 792 00:38:36,309 --> 00:38:38,142 ♪ Way ♪ 793 00:38:43,172 --> 00:38:44,342 - Everything was going beautifully 794 00:38:44,342 --> 00:38:45,792 when we went to Palm Springs. 795 00:38:46,762 --> 00:38:50,075 It was fun, it was hilarious, it was a joy. 796 00:38:51,432 --> 00:38:53,342 She was very, very friendly, 797 00:38:53,342 --> 00:38:56,105 and basically she had this sweet quality. 798 00:38:57,572 --> 00:39:00,373 She laughed easily, if you told something amusing. 799 00:39:01,117 --> 00:39:03,855 She was an extraordinary person. 800 00:39:05,482 --> 00:39:09,005 She was interested in so many things in life. 801 00:39:10,132 --> 00:39:14,112 I remembered really the sweetness of Gloria, 802 00:39:14,112 --> 00:39:17,252 and the understanding of humanity. 803 00:39:17,252 --> 00:39:19,602 But as soon as she knew there was a chance 804 00:39:19,602 --> 00:39:22,052 of doing Norma Desmond every night, 805 00:39:22,052 --> 00:39:25,325 she became more and more Norma Desmond. 806 00:39:26,372 --> 00:39:28,022 And less and less Gloria Swanson. 807 00:39:31,672 --> 00:39:34,792 One day I can remember that she was on her knees, 808 00:39:34,792 --> 00:39:38,262 and she had all the photographs of her past 809 00:39:38,262 --> 00:39:39,262 spread on the floor. 810 00:39:40,652 --> 00:39:43,622 When friends came round, she'd show her old films. 811 00:39:43,622 --> 00:39:45,672 You know, they must've seen it 100 times. 812 00:39:46,834 --> 00:39:48,799 Gloria said to me this one day, 813 00:39:48,799 --> 00:39:50,834 ''Let's go out someplace.'' 814 00:39:51,358 --> 00:39:53,089 And I said, ''Well, where do you want to go?'' 815 00:39:53,114 --> 00:39:54,674 And she said, ''Indio.'' 816 00:39:56,272 --> 00:39:57,446 So we went to Indio. 817 00:39:57,446 --> 00:39:59,372 We might've had a date milkshake on the way, 818 00:39:59,372 --> 00:40:00,872 'cause they do have good ones. 819 00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:03,008 INDIO FEED & GENERAL 820 00:40:03,032 --> 00:40:04,572 And we got into Indio, 821 00:40:04,572 --> 00:40:08,005 and we went past one of those feeding stores. 822 00:40:09,452 --> 00:40:11,597 And she said, ''Oh my god, look!'' 823 00:40:11,622 --> 00:40:12,952 And I said, ''What?'' 824 00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:15,714 She said, ''Those baby chicks, they're so cute.'' 825 00:40:15,746 --> 00:40:16,775 CHICKS FOR SALE 826 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,579 She said, ''Let's buy three. 827 00:40:18,604 --> 00:40:21,408 ''One for you, one for Dick, one for me.'' 828 00:40:22,852 --> 00:40:27,359 So she went in and had three chicks bagged to take home. 829 00:40:27,359 --> 00:40:29,409 I said, ''Gloria, what are we gonna do with 'em?'' 830 00:40:30,242 --> 00:40:34,230 So, we got back, she made her entrance for dinner. 831 00:40:34,662 --> 00:40:36,948 And when she did, it was dramatic. 832 00:40:37,472 --> 00:40:39,792 There was Gloria in her Balenciaga gown, 833 00:40:39,792 --> 00:40:42,795 and stiletto shoes, and looking magnificent. 834 00:40:44,492 --> 00:40:48,386 And then suddenly, a sort of screech and a yell from her. 835 00:40:51,678 --> 00:40:54,142 She had trodden on one of the chickens 836 00:40:54,142 --> 00:40:55,855 with her stiletto shoes. 837 00:40:58,555 --> 00:40:59,888 And it was dead. 838 00:41:01,186 --> 00:41:05,389 She said, ''Oh my god, why do I kill everything I love?'' 839 00:41:07,502 --> 00:41:09,922 She said, ''Well, we're gonna have to bury it.'' 840 00:41:13,752 --> 00:41:16,275 Indeed, she put on a veil, 841 00:41:17,482 --> 00:41:20,221 and we sort of formed a procession. 842 00:41:24,882 --> 00:41:26,292 What anyone might've thought 843 00:41:26,292 --> 00:41:29,242 to see this procession going down to the end of the garden, 844 00:41:30,522 --> 00:41:32,785 and ceremoniously burying this chick. 845 00:41:35,122 --> 00:41:39,284 So then we started to be really a little edgy, I think. 846 00:41:39,922 --> 00:41:43,022 I was a bit concerned, you know, I mean I really was. 847 00:41:43,022 --> 00:41:44,865 I thought, this is just weird. 848 00:41:50,032 --> 00:41:51,912 - As the writing and the development 849 00:41:51,912 --> 00:41:54,698 of ''Sunset Boulevard'' the musical happened, 850 00:41:55,232 --> 00:41:58,505 the tension is starting to build between the three of them. 851 00:41:59,702 --> 00:42:00,722 And she was fully aware 852 00:42:00,722 --> 00:42:03,982 that Dickson and Richard were in a relationship. 853 00:42:03,982 --> 00:42:05,192 - There was no mystery 854 00:42:05,192 --> 00:42:07,222 that Richard and Dickson were a couple. 855 00:42:08,072 --> 00:42:09,582 Gloria knew that the moment 856 00:42:09,607 --> 00:42:12,960 that they walked into her house on Mulholland. 857 00:42:13,822 --> 00:42:16,285 What was happening at this time, though, 858 00:42:18,292 --> 00:42:21,452 was that Gloria was starting 859 00:42:21,452 --> 00:42:26,237 to have romantic inclinations towards Richard, 860 00:42:26,832 --> 00:42:31,192 who she knew was in a relationship with Dickson. 861 00:42:31,192 --> 00:42:33,172 It was all very queer, 862 00:42:33,172 --> 00:42:35,245 but queerer things were yet to come. 863 00:42:36,322 --> 00:42:38,232 - Romance has to do with moonlight, 864 00:42:38,232 --> 00:42:39,912 it has to do with poetry, 865 00:42:39,912 --> 00:42:41,312 it has to do with dancing, 866 00:42:41,312 --> 00:42:42,482 it has to do with things 867 00:42:42,482 --> 00:42:44,842 that are away from that quick business 868 00:42:44,842 --> 00:42:46,319 of ''Darling, I love you, goodbye. 869 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:48,382 ''I'm off to make that dollar.'' 870 00:42:48,382 --> 00:42:50,285 - Grandma was romantic. 871 00:42:51,217 --> 00:42:52,217 HUSBAND NO1 872 00:42:53,072 --> 00:42:55,045 She liked men very much. 873 00:42:55,113 --> 00:42:56,113 HUSBAND NO2 874 00:42:56,352 --> 00:42:57,615 She fell in love easily, 875 00:42:57,694 --> 00:42:58,694 HUSBAND NO3 876 00:42:58,742 --> 00:43:00,740 and met terrific men, 877 00:43:00,772 --> 00:43:01,957 HUSBAND NO4 878 00:43:01,982 --> 00:43:04,076 but didn't stay married very long. 879 00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:05,970 HUSBAND NO5 880 00:43:06,082 --> 00:43:08,415 She was very independent, 881 00:43:09,082 --> 00:43:11,563 and just kind of wanted things her way, 882 00:43:12,002 --> 00:43:14,222 so I'm not sure that worked well 883 00:43:14,222 --> 00:43:16,285 in a male-female relationship. 884 00:43:17,652 --> 00:43:19,772 - She loved the idea of being in love, 885 00:43:19,772 --> 00:43:22,475 but I don't know how often she really was. 886 00:43:23,992 --> 00:43:27,297 She spent so much time portraying characters, 887 00:43:27,682 --> 00:43:30,415 and so little time living real life. 888 00:43:31,767 --> 00:43:34,577 She'd made a lot of movies where the boy and the girl 889 00:43:34,602 --> 00:43:36,993 get together, and they live happily ever after. 890 00:43:37,682 --> 00:43:40,565 And that just never seemed to work for her in real life. 891 00:43:42,332 --> 00:43:44,812 - At the end of the three months in Palm Springs, 892 00:43:44,812 --> 00:43:47,516 they had basically written the show. 893 00:43:47,912 --> 00:43:50,524 They had written about 20 or 25 songs. 894 00:43:51,042 --> 00:43:53,946 They had reshaped the script to make it work on the stage, 895 00:43:54,382 --> 00:43:56,750 and they felt like they really had something to show. 896 00:43:57,292 --> 00:43:58,682 And so what they determined 897 00:43:58,682 --> 00:44:01,992 was they really needed to go to New York 898 00:44:01,992 --> 00:44:03,572 to find financial backing, 899 00:44:03,572 --> 00:44:05,762 to find a producer, to find a director, 900 00:44:05,762 --> 00:44:07,712 if they were gonna get this thing done. 901 00:44:08,702 --> 00:44:12,452 And so, the troupe moved to New York from Los Angeles 902 00:44:12,477 --> 00:44:14,627 with hopes of putting the show on Broadway. 903 00:44:15,932 --> 00:44:18,212 Gloria was already there. 904 00:44:18,212 --> 00:44:20,722 She was in her apartment on Park Avenue, 905 00:44:20,722 --> 00:44:22,905 and Dickson and Richard stayed with her. 906 00:44:24,892 --> 00:44:27,542 - Coming in contact really with Gloria Swanson, 907 00:44:27,542 --> 00:44:28,925 it was complicated. 908 00:44:29,852 --> 00:44:35,849 Unexplained, unintended matters become uncontrollable. 909 00:44:37,842 --> 00:44:39,792 Of course, she was an attractive woman. 910 00:44:40,642 --> 00:44:43,959 I just thought, what would happen if I took her in my arms, 911 00:44:44,852 --> 00:44:46,849 and, you know, where would that lead? 912 00:44:47,192 --> 00:44:48,654 - Happy New Year, darling. 913 00:44:49,529 --> 00:44:52,945 - And so click, then I thought how dangerous. 914 00:44:53,789 --> 00:44:55,289 Oh, it would've been disaster. 915 00:44:56,337 --> 00:44:57,680 So it didn't happen? 916 00:44:58,266 --> 00:44:59,099 - No. 917 00:45:01,718 --> 00:45:03,725 But it was in her mind, and in my mind. 918 00:45:04,992 --> 00:45:07,382 - Clearly she wanted more 919 00:45:07,382 --> 00:45:09,795 than what Richard was willing to give, 920 00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:12,752 and because she's Gloria Swanson, 921 00:45:12,752 --> 00:45:14,755 she was used to getting what she wanted. 922 00:45:17,032 --> 00:45:18,422 - Richard was very handsome. 923 00:45:18,422 --> 00:45:22,195 He was used to working people to get what he wanted. 924 00:45:22,879 --> 00:45:25,239 FRIEND OF RICHARD STAPLEY I think that was the way he lived. 925 00:45:27,162 --> 00:45:29,442 Dickson saw what was going on, 926 00:45:29,442 --> 00:45:31,445 so it must have been very strange. 927 00:45:33,262 --> 00:45:36,335 - By this time, I just wanted to get out. 928 00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:39,646 It was awkward staying at home, 929 00:45:40,222 --> 00:45:43,182 and it was affecting my own private life, 930 00:45:43,182 --> 00:45:46,155 and I was beginning to not know me. 931 00:45:47,892 --> 00:45:50,715 It was affecting the relationship with Dickson. 932 00:45:51,712 --> 00:45:53,892 He was a sort of level person. 933 00:45:53,892 --> 00:45:56,675 I mean, he wasn't a rebel like I tend to be. 934 00:45:58,742 --> 00:46:01,302 I remember the time that angered her 935 00:46:01,302 --> 00:46:04,875 when I just had to get out of the house, and be myself. 936 00:46:07,392 --> 00:46:10,182 I just literally disappeared into New York. 937 00:46:10,182 --> 00:46:11,242 I didn't want to go anywhere, 938 00:46:11,242 --> 00:46:13,142 I just wanted to be with human beings. 939 00:46:14,982 --> 00:46:16,415 And that was rebellion. 940 00:46:17,852 --> 00:46:19,592 I was gone for quite a long time, 941 00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:22,834 and I came back like about three o'clock in the morning. 942 00:46:23,646 --> 00:46:25,170 And there was Gloria. 943 00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:27,950 It was like icicles were hanging down. 944 00:46:29,292 --> 00:46:30,785 She was very upset. 945 00:46:32,312 --> 00:46:34,232 It was at that time that I thought 946 00:46:34,232 --> 00:46:36,555 the show is not gonna go on. 947 00:46:38,172 --> 00:46:41,930 - Gloria lost interest if it was unrequited, 948 00:46:42,571 --> 00:46:45,522 and Stapley rejecting her, 949 00:46:45,522 --> 00:46:48,692 that started the loss of interest, 950 00:46:48,692 --> 00:46:51,405 not necessarily in the project, but in him. 951 00:46:52,932 --> 00:46:55,152 - Richard and Dickson had been there for a couple of weeks, 952 00:46:55,152 --> 00:46:56,792 and they'd been working this show out, 953 00:46:56,792 --> 00:46:58,262 and they'd been pitching it around, 954 00:46:58,262 --> 00:47:00,485 and they're getting interest in the show. 955 00:47:01,092 --> 00:47:03,642 They've got some financial backers that are very interested 956 00:47:03,642 --> 00:47:04,965 in talking to Gloria. 957 00:47:06,462 --> 00:47:08,802 They finally got Robert Fryer, 958 00:47:08,802 --> 00:47:11,024 who was one of the biggest producers at the time. 959 00:47:11,982 --> 00:47:15,132 She proceeded to call Paramount, 960 00:47:15,132 --> 00:47:17,003 and spoke to somebody there, 961 00:47:17,512 --> 00:47:19,385 but they weren't taken seriously. 962 00:47:20,462 --> 00:47:23,252 And they told her that she couldn't get the rights 963 00:47:23,252 --> 00:47:24,305 to do the musical. 964 00:47:26,522 --> 00:47:27,775 - They just said no. 965 00:47:29,105 --> 00:47:30,819 And she said, ''Paramount told me 966 00:47:30,819 --> 00:47:32,729 ''I had not renewed the rights.'' 967 00:47:34,802 --> 00:47:37,475 And funny enough, there never really were any rights. 968 00:47:38,342 --> 00:47:40,645 It was all kind of wishy-washy. 969 00:47:44,032 --> 00:47:46,002 I mean, I supposed I should have been caring enough 970 00:47:46,002 --> 00:47:47,784 to say well, let's see the contracts, 971 00:47:48,102 --> 00:47:51,585 but you feel if she waves a wand that it's safe. 972 00:47:52,685 --> 00:47:54,209 It was the end of the world. 973 00:47:55,282 --> 00:47:56,195 It all blew up. 974 00:47:58,622 --> 00:48:01,162 - Was it the thing that had her attention 975 00:48:01,162 --> 00:48:03,032 for a period of time? 976 00:48:03,032 --> 00:48:05,592 Yes, and when you had Gloria's attention, 977 00:48:05,592 --> 00:48:06,940 you had her attention. 978 00:48:09,092 --> 00:48:11,352 And she would be very much into 979 00:48:11,352 --> 00:48:13,225 making this into an actuality. 980 00:48:14,382 --> 00:48:18,345 But, she lived a multitude of lives in those years. 981 00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:20,879 ''WHAT'S THE ANSWER'' FROM BOULEVARD! 982 00:48:20,904 --> 00:48:23,015 ♪ The lovely things that fate invents ♪ 983 00:48:23,015 --> 00:48:26,392 ♪ Have puzzled me before ♪ 984 00:48:26,417 --> 00:48:27,817 I don't know how much she would've 985 00:48:27,842 --> 00:48:29,443 thought about it after it was over. 986 00:48:30,082 --> 00:48:33,526 If it didn't happen, she was onto something else. 987 00:48:33,526 --> 00:48:37,222 ♪ He walked in here without a warning ♪ 988 00:48:37,222 --> 00:48:41,201 ♪ Flashing his charming boyish grin ♪ 989 00:48:41,201 --> 00:48:45,840 ♪ And suddenly the twilight seems bright as morning ♪ 990 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,257 ♪ How did this all begin ♪ 991 00:48:51,242 --> 00:48:53,965 - Dickson and I, we were hardly speaking. 992 00:48:55,012 --> 00:48:58,575 The laughter and the closeness we'd had was all gone, 993 00:48:59,736 --> 00:49:03,809 and I said, ''Dickson, this is separation and giving up 994 00:49:03,809 --> 00:49:08,214 ''the collaboration, and the whole thing is sunk.'' 995 00:49:08,214 --> 00:49:12,013 ♪ What's the answer ♪ 996 00:49:12,013 --> 00:49:15,568 ♪ I feel like falling ♪ 997 00:49:15,568 --> 00:49:19,050 ♪ But then my mind tells me ♪ 998 00:49:19,050 --> 00:49:21,914 ♪ I'll have to pay ♪ 999 00:49:21,914 --> 00:49:25,116 ♪ I know I should resist ♪ 1000 00:49:25,116 --> 00:49:29,372 ♪ But he's all I'm dreaming of ♪ 1001 00:49:29,372 --> 00:49:33,836 ♪ So what's the answer ♪ 1002 00:49:33,836 --> 00:49:36,169 ♪ It's love ♪ 1003 00:49:41,762 --> 00:49:43,632 So did you lose contact then 1004 00:49:43,632 --> 00:49:46,455 with Hughes and with Swanson in this period? 1005 00:49:47,482 --> 00:49:48,562 - Well, let's say... 1006 00:49:54,772 --> 00:49:56,835 This was the beginning of the bad times. 1007 00:49:58,322 --> 00:50:02,052 We're now at cruising altitude, 35,000 feet. 1008 00:50:02,052 --> 00:50:04,632 Indications are that our arrival at London Airport 1009 00:50:04,632 --> 00:50:05,905 may be ahead of schedule. 1010 00:50:08,112 --> 00:50:11,019 - I went back to England, and I disappeared. 1011 00:50:16,372 --> 00:50:17,552 What am I doing now? 1012 00:50:17,552 --> 00:50:20,585 I haven't acted a film, my agent doesn't know where I am. 1013 00:50:21,492 --> 00:50:25,182 I had to get back into my own stratosphere, my own life, 1014 00:50:25,182 --> 00:50:28,315 my own career, I mean a lot of damage was done to it. 1015 00:50:30,022 --> 00:50:32,584 And then, an extraordinary thing happened. 1016 00:50:33,008 --> 00:50:34,948 I was signed to do a leading part 1017 00:50:35,017 --> 00:50:38,187 in a television series, ''Man from Interpol.'' 1018 00:50:38,212 --> 00:50:39,932 And this is a story 1019 00:50:39,932 --> 00:50:43,529 of the ''Man from Interpol.'' 1020 00:50:44,492 --> 00:50:46,872 - I was really quite thrilled about it. 1021 00:50:46,872 --> 00:50:49,444 My name is Smith, I'm with Interpol. 1022 00:50:49,469 --> 00:50:50,819 Just try something like that again 1023 00:50:50,844 --> 00:50:52,488 and I'll put a bullet through your leg. 1024 00:50:52,513 --> 00:50:53,733 He's committed murder. 1025 00:50:54,122 --> 00:50:55,695 That's what I want him for. 1026 00:50:55,695 --> 00:50:57,672 I don't think I've ever had an assignment 1027 00:50:57,672 --> 00:50:59,205 I've wanted more to solve. 1028 00:50:59,205 --> 00:51:01,782 - And all of a sudden, for the next 25 years, 1029 00:51:01,782 --> 00:51:04,485 he works consistently under the name Richard Wyler. 1030 00:51:05,612 --> 00:51:08,725 And Richard Stapley ceases to exist. 1031 00:51:09,762 --> 00:51:11,519 He did a number of movies in Europe, 1032 00:51:11,842 --> 00:51:13,762 a lot of spaghetti westerns, 1033 00:51:13,762 --> 00:51:18,382 and he also became a professional motorcycle driver, 1034 00:51:18,382 --> 00:51:20,002 and won championships. 1035 00:51:20,002 --> 00:51:22,082 Richard first raced in the United States, 1036 00:51:22,082 --> 00:51:23,092 but the tracks of England 1037 00:51:23,092 --> 00:51:24,892 have seen most of his driving skills. 1038 00:51:24,892 --> 00:51:26,729 He'll be soon racing off to the film studios 1039 00:51:26,729 --> 00:51:29,092 to outwit the international crooks. 1040 00:51:29,092 --> 00:51:30,422 But you'll agree with us, no doubt, 1041 00:51:30,422 --> 00:51:32,417 that no one can say of Richard Wyler, 1042 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,456 ''I bet he's a softy in real life.'' 1043 00:51:35,195 --> 00:51:37,211 Now that the guest on our show tonight 1044 00:51:37,211 --> 00:51:38,752 is somebody who struts your screens 1045 00:51:38,752 --> 00:51:41,151 as the man from Interpol, Mr. Richard Wyler. 1046 00:51:47,539 --> 00:51:50,852 - I'm going to call Elizabeth Wyler. 1047 00:51:50,852 --> 00:51:55,022 She was married to Richard for quite some time, 1048 00:51:55,022 --> 00:51:58,645 and I don't know really what to expect out of this call. 1049 00:51:59,404 --> 00:52:01,240 NO MUTUAL CONTACTS 1050 00:52:01,631 --> 00:52:03,404 SAY HI 1051 00:52:04,912 --> 00:52:07,372 Hey Elizabeth, it's Jeffrey, can you hear me okay? 1052 00:52:07,372 --> 00:52:09,402 Yeah, I heard that, I heard, 1053 00:52:09,402 --> 00:52:10,652 I can hear ya now. 1054 00:52:10,652 --> 00:52:12,522 You're crystal clear right now, perfect. 1055 00:52:12,522 --> 00:52:13,552 Okay, yeah. 1056 00:52:13,552 --> 00:52:16,434 - If you have some time to talk with me, I just have lots of questions. 1057 00:52:16,537 --> 00:52:19,349 I'll answer as best I can, Jeffrey. 1058 00:52:19,404 --> 00:52:21,442 I'll just spill the beans. 1059 00:52:22,882 --> 00:52:24,793 Can we start from the beginning? 1060 00:52:27,498 --> 00:52:29,401 After I came to England, 1061 00:52:29,426 --> 00:52:31,896 I decided I really liked it here, 1062 00:52:31,921 --> 00:52:33,474 and really wanted to live here. 1063 00:52:34,442 --> 00:52:36,250 I was in my early thirties, 1064 00:52:36,712 --> 00:52:38,985 and I thought, well it's time to get married 1065 00:52:39,402 --> 00:52:40,752 so I could stay in England. 1066 00:52:41,962 --> 00:52:45,211 He was the only person I knew in London, 1067 00:52:45,472 --> 00:52:48,525 and so we decided to get married. 1068 00:52:49,722 --> 00:52:52,360 He was devastatingly attractive, 1069 00:52:52,736 --> 00:52:56,839 and I thought, uh-oh, this is dangerous. 1070 00:52:57,952 --> 00:53:00,662 He was gorgeous, and people were envious 1071 00:53:00,662 --> 00:53:02,252 of my handsome husband, 1072 00:53:02,252 --> 00:53:05,865 and so we lived quite little glamorous lives. 1073 00:53:07,162 --> 00:53:10,755 I was going off with Richard when he was making films. 1074 00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:14,609 I went to Rio with him when he made 1075 00:53:14,634 --> 00:53:16,461 the first one he made down there, 1076 00:53:16,499 --> 00:53:19,055 ''Dick Smart,'' I think it was called. 1077 00:53:20,122 --> 00:53:24,742 The second film he made in Brazil was ''The Girl from Rio.'' 1078 00:53:24,742 --> 00:53:25,719 - Don't be nasty. 1079 00:53:25,744 --> 00:53:26,844 Daddy doesn't like it. 1080 00:53:26,853 --> 00:53:28,213 THE GIRL FROM RIO 1081 00:53:28,313 --> 00:53:30,662 It was not a first rate movie 1082 00:53:30,662 --> 00:53:33,472 by any stretch of the imagination, 1083 00:53:33,472 --> 00:53:37,075 but in Rio, they vied for our company. 1084 00:53:38,032 --> 00:53:40,095 Down there, he was a movie star. 1085 00:53:41,182 --> 00:53:45,597 In the '70s, by this time he was no spring chicken, 1086 00:53:46,072 --> 00:53:49,202 so he had bit parts. 1087 00:53:49,202 --> 00:53:51,617 One in an Alfred Hitchcock movie, 1088 00:53:51,642 --> 00:53:52,642 FRENZY 1089 00:53:52,857 --> 00:53:54,520 And one in a Michael Winner movie. 1090 00:53:54,552 --> 00:53:55,579 SCORPIO 1091 00:53:55,612 --> 00:53:57,168 CONNECTING ROOMS - Excuse me, please. 1092 00:53:57,193 --> 00:53:59,672 He could've gone on working comfortably, 1093 00:53:59,672 --> 00:54:02,412 doing small roles, 1094 00:54:02,412 --> 00:54:05,224 and been okay, made a living. 1095 00:54:06,186 --> 00:54:08,741 But he didn't want to play bit parts. 1096 00:54:10,242 --> 00:54:11,955 They weren't good enough for him. 1097 00:54:13,542 --> 00:54:15,932 He just ended up, unfortunately, 1098 00:54:15,932 --> 00:54:20,485 in the place where youth and good looks are so important, 1099 00:54:21,492 --> 00:54:25,125 when you become old, it doesn't work out that way anymore. 1100 00:54:30,212 --> 00:54:33,885 He presented himself as a very macho man. 1101 00:54:33,931 --> 00:54:35,294 MAN FROM INTERPOL FINS A BRIDE 1102 00:54:35,318 --> 00:54:39,815 But, there was always Richard's sexuality to consider. 1103 00:54:41,262 --> 00:54:43,055 Which was never discussed. 1104 00:54:44,172 --> 00:54:48,625 I'm a Scorpio, and we're very intuitive. 1105 00:54:49,922 --> 00:54:51,803 I didn't question Richard. 1106 00:54:52,352 --> 00:54:53,945 He knew that I knew. 1107 00:54:55,592 --> 00:54:58,452 There were a hell of a lot of married gay men around, 1108 00:54:58,452 --> 00:55:00,263 as you must well know. 1109 00:55:01,278 --> 00:55:04,595 It was more of a friendship than a deep love affair. 1110 00:55:06,522 --> 00:55:08,512 - Richard never confessed to having 1111 00:55:08,512 --> 00:55:13,495 a homosexual relationship with anyone other than Dickson. 1112 00:55:15,282 --> 00:55:17,509 In fact, if one were to ask him, 1113 00:55:17,509 --> 00:55:18,952 ''Are you gay, Richard?'' 1114 00:55:18,952 --> 00:55:20,509 He would say, ''No.'' 1115 00:55:21,692 --> 00:55:23,965 He had a way of reinventing himself. 1116 00:55:25,382 --> 00:55:29,062 He invented himself as this no-name kid, Richard Stapley, 1117 00:55:29,062 --> 00:55:30,905 into Richard Stapley the actor. 1118 00:55:31,742 --> 00:55:34,725 He then reinvented Richard Stapley into Richard Wyler, 1119 00:55:35,654 --> 00:55:37,872 and then he reinvented Richard Wyler 1120 00:55:37,872 --> 00:55:39,592 back into Richard Stapley. 1121 00:55:40,301 --> 00:55:42,028 His mind was able to compartmentalize that 1122 00:55:42,053 --> 00:55:43,659 and just put it away. 1123 00:55:45,432 --> 00:55:47,582 We had some good times together 1124 00:55:47,582 --> 00:55:49,532 VOICE OF ELIZABETH WYLER in the early days, 1125 00:55:49,532 --> 00:55:53,572 but the last few encounters with Richard 1126 00:55:53,572 --> 00:55:55,795 had not been that pleasant. 1127 00:55:56,752 --> 00:55:59,412 I couldn't go on like we were going on. 1128 00:55:59,967 --> 00:56:01,795 We weren't living together anymore, 1129 00:56:02,852 --> 00:56:06,678 and it was never a right, that's it, we're finished. 1130 00:56:07,032 --> 00:56:09,289 I said, ''Richard, if you want a divorce, 1131 00:56:09,289 --> 00:56:12,097 ''you just send me the papers and I'll sign them.'' 1132 00:56:12,582 --> 00:56:14,183 Nothing ever came of it, 1133 00:56:14,542 --> 00:56:16,955 so we never divorced. 1134 00:56:23,986 --> 00:56:25,519 - Hello? - Hello, Dickson? 1135 00:56:25,582 --> 00:56:27,102 Oh, how are you? 1136 00:56:27,102 --> 00:56:29,062 Is this a good time to chat for a little while? 1137 00:56:29,062 --> 00:56:30,032 Sure. 1138 00:56:30,032 --> 00:56:32,462 Is there anything else that comes to mind 1139 00:56:32,462 --> 00:56:36,742 about Gloria Swanson, or about your years working with her? 1140 00:56:36,742 --> 00:56:39,832 I realize I've pumped you absolutely dry 1141 00:56:39,832 --> 00:56:41,222 for every detail. 1142 00:56:41,222 --> 00:56:42,522 Yeah, of course, because it was 1143 00:56:42,522 --> 00:56:44,267 such a major event in my life. 1144 00:56:44,267 --> 00:56:47,472 You know, I scarcely, I'm hardly likely to forget anything. 1145 00:56:47,472 --> 00:56:51,302 Yes, what's the next episode in this long saga? 1146 00:56:51,302 --> 00:56:53,062 Then came the invitation for her 1147 00:56:53,062 --> 00:56:55,762 to do the song on ''The Steven Allen Show.'' 1148 00:56:55,762 --> 00:56:58,862 I was living in Malibu at the time, and she called me. 1149 00:56:58,862 --> 00:57:00,399 She said she was gonna do the song, 1150 00:57:00,399 --> 00:57:02,232 ''Those Wonderful People Out There in the Dark,'' 1151 00:57:02,232 --> 00:57:04,172 and would I come to New York 1152 00:57:04,172 --> 00:57:07,362 and supervise the staging of the number? 1153 00:57:07,362 --> 00:57:09,202 And I said of course I will. 1154 00:57:09,202 --> 00:57:10,912 - And the story, as most of you know, I suppose, 1155 00:57:10,912 --> 00:57:13,382 of Norma Desmond, the great star of silent films 1156 00:57:13,382 --> 00:57:15,212 who tries to make a comeback, 1157 00:57:15,212 --> 00:57:16,772 and she is coached, you remember the story, 1158 00:57:16,772 --> 00:57:19,525 by her former director, Max, who's now her butler. 1159 00:57:20,441 --> 00:57:22,172 When we got the number on its feet, 1160 00:57:22,172 --> 00:57:24,442 the actor that they had hired to play Max 1161 00:57:24,442 --> 00:57:27,112 was not getting the lines right, 1162 00:57:27,112 --> 00:57:29,972 and finally she, and again movie star temperament, 1163 00:57:29,972 --> 00:57:30,975 said, ''Well, he's not getting it 1164 00:57:30,975 --> 00:57:32,779 ''and Dickson knows all the lines, 1165 00:57:32,779 --> 00:57:35,432 ''so why don't we just have him do the lines off camera?'' 1166 00:57:35,432 --> 00:57:37,452 So she had the guy fired, 1167 00:57:37,452 --> 00:57:39,632 so they had me play Max. 1168 00:57:39,632 --> 00:57:42,492 - Oh it's no use, Max, I loathe the scene. 1169 00:57:42,492 --> 00:57:44,365 It's too long, far too many words! 1170 00:57:45,312 --> 00:57:46,145 Here. 1171 00:57:46,145 --> 00:57:48,152 Now Norma, be reasonable. 1172 00:57:48,152 --> 00:57:50,512 You want to be back there again, don't you? 1173 00:57:50,512 --> 00:57:52,146 - Of course I want to. 1174 00:57:52,146 --> 00:57:54,512 Well then, stop fighting it. 1175 00:57:54,512 --> 00:57:56,882 - Oh Max, it's all those words. 1176 00:57:56,882 --> 00:58:00,902 I used to be able to express every expression with my face. 1177 00:58:01,935 --> 00:58:03,042 What did you do 1178 00:58:03,042 --> 00:58:05,992 with all the pages of music and lyrics? 1179 00:58:05,992 --> 00:58:06,892 What did I do with it? 1180 00:58:06,892 --> 00:58:10,022 I put it in a file folder and put it away. 1181 00:58:10,022 --> 00:58:12,475 I had to get on with my life and my career. 1182 00:58:13,562 --> 00:58:15,252 After we did ''The Steve Allen Show,'' 1183 00:58:15,252 --> 00:58:17,325 she suggested that I leave California 1184 00:58:17,325 --> 00:58:20,907 to come and relocate to New York, so I did. 1185 00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:23,023 TONIGHT A MUSICAL CARNIVAL 1186 00:58:23,836 --> 00:58:26,886 ♪ Let it be known, I'm a native ♪ 1187 00:58:26,886 --> 00:58:29,622 ♪ I found my home, I'm a native ♪ 1188 00:58:29,622 --> 00:58:32,912 When I got to New York, I had various jobs 1189 00:58:32,912 --> 00:58:37,061 playing in various supper clubs and hotel cocktails lounges. 1190 00:58:37,061 --> 00:58:41,062 ♪ Stay close ♪ 1191 00:58:41,062 --> 00:58:41,895 ♪ Every moment ♪ 1192 00:58:41,895 --> 00:58:45,219 I'd become music director for a show called ''Talent 59,'' 1193 00:58:46,246 --> 00:58:49,292 and that led to my whole career as a musical conductor 1194 00:58:49,292 --> 00:58:52,363 for stock companies, and touring companies, and so on. 1195 00:58:52,363 --> 00:58:54,672 ♪ Stay close ♪ 1196 00:58:54,672 --> 00:58:56,464 So I was busy. 1197 00:58:56,464 --> 00:58:58,881 ♪ Stay close ♪ 1198 00:58:59,892 --> 00:59:03,323 I stayed in New York until 1983. 1199 00:59:04,462 --> 00:59:06,982 By that time, New York had changed. 1200 00:59:06,982 --> 00:59:08,142 It was a much more abrasive place 1201 00:59:08,142 --> 00:59:10,992 than it had been when I first arrived. 1202 00:59:10,992 --> 00:59:12,782 I could not see myself getting to be 1203 00:59:12,782 --> 00:59:15,899 a really old person living in that dreadful climate. 1204 00:59:16,382 --> 00:59:19,382 And so, I moved back to Los Angeles. 1205 00:59:20,262 --> 00:59:21,665 ♪ That wonderful silence ♪ 1206 00:59:21,735 --> 00:59:23,736 GLORIA SWANSON SINGS ''WONDERFUL PEOPLE'' 1207 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,576 ♪ Comes over the sets ♪ 1208 00:59:27,576 --> 00:59:31,153 ♪ And there are those faces ♪ 1209 00:59:31,153 --> 00:59:34,769 ♪ I'll never forget ♪ 1210 00:59:34,769 --> 00:59:36,522 She really kept it alive in her head 1211 00:59:36,522 --> 00:59:38,445 and in her emotion. 1212 00:59:39,492 --> 00:59:41,883 She had the master copy, 1213 00:59:41,883 --> 00:59:44,192 and I know that she used to get it out 1214 00:59:44,192 --> 00:59:46,872 almost every time she would have anybody over 1215 00:59:46,872 --> 00:59:50,672 for dinner or cocktails to play it for them. 1216 00:59:50,672 --> 00:59:52,692 It's really rather heartbreaking. 1217 00:59:52,692 --> 00:59:53,912 It never died for her. 1218 00:59:53,912 --> 00:59:56,055 That's right, it never did, absolutely. 1219 00:59:58,672 --> 01:00:00,162 - There was a wonderful era 1220 01:00:00,162 --> 01:00:01,962 in the world of entertainment 1221 01:00:01,962 --> 01:00:06,762 before television, before talkies, a magic world. 1222 01:00:06,762 --> 01:00:08,682 I'd love to have you enjoy it with me 1223 01:00:08,682 --> 01:00:11,325 as it comes again to life in my memory. 1224 01:00:12,282 --> 01:00:14,182 - Our very special guest star this evening 1225 01:00:14,182 --> 01:00:16,012 is Ms. Gloria Swanson. 1226 01:00:16,012 --> 01:00:18,328 - Here's a lovely lady, Ms. Gloria Swanson. 1227 01:00:19,543 --> 01:00:22,132 - One thing about my grandma that I loved so much, 1228 01:00:22,132 --> 01:00:25,782 she was always in the present, always forward-thinking. 1229 01:00:25,782 --> 01:00:27,242 - The election is coming up, you know, 1230 01:00:27,242 --> 01:00:29,472 and really and truly this is important. 1231 01:00:29,472 --> 01:00:31,425 - She was just active. 1232 01:00:32,752 --> 01:00:37,322 She was able to move through life so well. 1233 01:00:37,322 --> 01:00:39,112 She was a wonderful role model. 1234 01:00:39,112 --> 01:00:41,225 - Today, now, this is all we have. 1235 01:00:41,225 --> 01:00:43,129 This is eternity. 1236 01:00:43,129 --> 01:00:46,592 - That curiosity, that spark in her, 1237 01:00:46,592 --> 01:00:48,612 her mind just never stopped. 1238 01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:50,962 - There is nothing practically in a tin can 1239 01:00:50,962 --> 01:00:52,722 that doesn't have sugar in it. 1240 01:00:52,722 --> 01:00:56,202 - She was current on absolutely everything. 1241 01:00:56,202 --> 01:00:58,623 - Ms. Swanson, what is the secret of your eternal youth? 1242 01:00:58,678 --> 01:00:59,678 AIRPORT 1975 1243 01:00:59,832 --> 01:01:01,302 - Well, I just take natural food. 1244 01:01:01,302 --> 01:01:04,442 I will not have poison food, I don't like it. 1245 01:01:04,442 --> 01:01:07,826 - And she was so gracious to her fans. 1246 01:01:08,282 --> 01:01:13,282 She was extremely appreciative of her audience. 1247 01:01:13,302 --> 01:01:16,152 - I certainly am beholden to the public 1248 01:01:16,152 --> 01:01:19,138 who've given me a wonderful life. 1249 01:01:19,452 --> 01:01:20,802 I have no complaints, 1250 01:01:20,802 --> 01:01:23,364 and I don't understand why I'm so blessed. 1251 01:01:26,632 --> 01:01:28,459 Thank you, Gloria Swanson. 1252 01:01:28,862 --> 01:01:30,092 Goodbye, and lots of love 1253 01:01:30,092 --> 01:01:33,335 to all of you wonderful people out there in the dark. 1254 01:01:34,672 --> 01:01:36,382 - Grandma was in the hospital and was sick, 1255 01:01:36,382 --> 01:01:38,201 and almost at her end. 1256 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,485 It was Easter Sunday night, 1257 01:01:43,842 --> 01:01:45,175 and Grandma was asleep. 1258 01:01:46,672 --> 01:01:48,119 She woke up and I said, 1259 01:01:48,144 --> 01:01:51,500 ''Oh Grams, it's Brooke and I'm here to see you. 1260 01:01:52,592 --> 01:01:55,490 And she said, ''I love you so much.'' 1261 01:01:56,155 --> 01:01:58,618 And that was the last words she ever said. 1262 01:02:00,322 --> 01:02:03,615 I had that moment, and it meant so much to me. 1263 01:02:07,227 --> 01:02:09,435 TEN YEARS LATER... 1264 01:02:11,263 --> 01:02:12,392 In London tonight, 1265 01:02:12,392 --> 01:02:14,439 Andrew Lloyd Weber's newest musical, 1266 01:02:14,439 --> 01:02:18,605 ''Sunset Boulevard,'' premiered to rapturous applause. 1267 01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:19,856 When it was first announced 1268 01:02:19,856 --> 01:02:22,202 that Lloyd Weber was gonna do this, 1269 01:02:22,202 --> 01:02:23,842 I thought, wait a minute! 1270 01:02:23,842 --> 01:02:25,537 GLENN CLOSE AS NORMA DESMOND - I am big. 1271 01:02:25,562 --> 01:02:27,725 It's the pictures that got small! 1272 01:02:29,362 --> 01:02:31,722 I really didn't want to see the show, 1273 01:02:31,722 --> 01:02:34,652 because I had been so close to the property 1274 01:02:34,652 --> 01:02:36,642 for such a long time that to see 1275 01:02:36,642 --> 01:02:37,842 what somebody else had done 1276 01:02:37,842 --> 01:02:41,648 was just more than I was prepared to cope with. 1277 01:02:41,648 --> 01:02:45,053 - The best new musical of 1995 goes to 1278 01:02:45,078 --> 01:02:46,358 1995 TONY AWARDS 1279 01:02:48,139 --> 01:02:49,203 ''Sunset Boulevard.'' 1280 01:02:51,932 --> 01:02:55,562 I don't want to sound like a sore loser, 1281 01:02:55,562 --> 01:02:58,422 but I felt, oh well, just one more disappointment 1282 01:02:58,422 --> 01:03:00,641 in this whole long saga. 1283 01:03:00,641 --> 01:03:03,283 ♪ With one look ♪ 1284 01:03:03,283 --> 01:03:06,506 ♪ I can break your heart ♪ 1285 01:03:07,009 --> 01:03:09,452 ♪ With one look ♪ 1286 01:03:09,477 --> 01:03:12,724 ♪ I play every part ♪ 1287 01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:14,862 - ''Sunset Boulevard'' was gonna be opening 1288 01:03:14,862 --> 01:03:18,290 at the Shubert in Los Angeles with Glenn Close. 1289 01:03:18,742 --> 01:03:20,822 And the Times did a huge feature story 1290 01:03:20,822 --> 01:03:23,502 on Andrew Lloyd Weber, and how brilliant he was 1291 01:03:23,502 --> 01:03:25,592 to come up with this idea, 1292 01:03:25,592 --> 01:03:28,067 as if nobody had ever thought of it before. 1293 01:03:28,467 --> 01:03:31,000 ''WITH ONE LOOK'' BY ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER 1294 01:03:32,922 --> 01:03:35,482 So I wrote a short letter to the editor 1295 01:03:35,482 --> 01:03:37,012 saying that it had been done before, 1296 01:03:37,012 --> 01:03:40,482 that Gloria Swanson herself had commissioned a version 1297 01:03:40,482 --> 01:03:42,524 with Dickson Hughes and Richard Stapley. 1298 01:03:42,989 --> 01:03:44,532 And they printed the letter, 1299 01:03:44,872 --> 01:03:48,142 and about a week or so later I got a phone call 1300 01:03:48,142 --> 01:03:51,392 from Dickson Hughes, saying that he had read my letter 1301 01:03:51,392 --> 01:03:53,805 and he'd called information and got my number. 1302 01:03:54,172 --> 01:03:56,219 So we arranged to have lunch. 1303 01:03:56,797 --> 01:03:59,382 When I met Dickson, he started telling me the story 1304 01:03:59,382 --> 01:04:02,452 about the triangle, and how it all unfolded. 1305 01:04:02,452 --> 01:04:04,432 As Dickson was telling me all this, 1306 01:04:04,432 --> 01:04:06,329 a light bulb went off in my head. 1307 01:04:06,652 --> 01:04:07,842 I started thinking, gee, 1308 01:04:07,842 --> 01:04:09,946 maybe we could do something with this. 1309 01:04:10,242 --> 01:04:13,002 And I said to him, let's make the real story 1310 01:04:13,002 --> 01:04:16,235 of he, and Gloria Swanson, and Richard as a musical. 1311 01:04:16,642 --> 01:04:18,452 And we'll use the songs from the show, 1312 01:04:18,452 --> 01:04:20,633 and make it about the writing of the musical. 1313 01:04:20,882 --> 01:04:23,375 The Andrew Lloyd Weber version hadn't opened yet, 1314 01:04:23,572 --> 01:04:25,662 and I thought gee, wouldn't it be great 1315 01:04:25,662 --> 01:04:28,402 if we could get this version on first, 1316 01:04:28,402 --> 01:04:30,288 and beat the other one? 1317 01:04:30,313 --> 01:04:31,866 SWANSON ON SUNSET A MUSICAL MEMOIR 1318 01:04:31,891 --> 01:04:32,974 BY DICKSON HUGHES 1319 01:04:33,232 --> 01:04:34,922 And I thought that was such a great idea 1320 01:04:34,922 --> 01:04:36,669 that I went ahead and did it. 1321 01:04:36,669 --> 01:04:40,022 That was how we came to produce ''Swanson on Sunset.'' 1322 01:04:40,022 --> 01:04:44,705 - God smiled on us, and beckoned us to play our parts. 1323 01:04:45,882 --> 01:04:48,995 I'm in Lucasville, Ohio visiting my mother. 1324 01:04:49,933 --> 01:04:53,629 The phone was ringing when I got there, it was Dickson. 1325 01:04:54,822 --> 01:04:56,529 He said, ''Remember when I mentioned 1326 01:04:56,529 --> 01:04:59,132 ''Swanson on Sunset'' to you? 1327 01:04:59,132 --> 01:05:01,332 I think you could do that. 1328 01:05:01,332 --> 01:05:04,232 He said, ''I've got some money now, and we're gonna start.'' 1329 01:05:04,232 --> 01:05:07,052 It's going to be Norma Desmond's salary, 1330 01:05:07,052 --> 01:05:12,326 a Norma Desmond production starring Norma Desmond! 1331 01:05:12,649 --> 01:05:15,339 I enjoyed doing it very, very much. 1332 01:05:15,372 --> 01:05:18,242 - Miss Swanson, this is Richard Stapley. 1333 01:05:18,242 --> 01:05:21,365 - The role was going to be that of Richard Stapley. 1334 01:05:22,382 --> 01:05:23,762 I auditioned for it. 1335 01:05:23,762 --> 01:05:25,742 I waited for a call, I got a call, 1336 01:05:25,742 --> 01:05:29,010 and they said yeah, we'd love to have ya in the show. 1337 01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:31,032 - Good evening, and welcome. 1338 01:05:31,032 --> 01:05:34,822 I performed in it playing myself 30 years ago. 1339 01:05:34,822 --> 01:05:37,222 - He was obviously too old to be playing himself, 1340 01:05:37,222 --> 01:05:39,042 but I thought since he's the real person, 1341 01:05:39,042 --> 01:05:40,542 that would justify it. 1342 01:05:40,542 --> 01:05:41,692 - How do you do mister- 1343 01:05:41,692 --> 01:05:43,402 - Hughes, Dickson Hughes. 1344 01:05:43,402 --> 01:05:45,032 - It was a little odd that Dickson 1345 01:05:45,032 --> 01:05:48,243 is probably pushing 60 at this point. 1346 01:05:48,692 --> 01:05:51,692 And this guy who's playing his former boyfriend 1347 01:05:51,692 --> 01:05:54,252 is nowhere near his contemporary, 1348 01:05:54,252 --> 01:05:57,422 so it was sort of like a vanity production 1349 01:05:57,422 --> 01:05:59,742 of a vanity production of a vanity production. 1350 01:05:59,742 --> 01:06:01,202 - Who could resist? 1351 01:06:01,202 --> 01:06:02,748 All they have to do is look at you. 1352 01:06:03,766 --> 01:06:05,513 To tell the truth, the first time I saw you. 1353 01:06:05,862 --> 01:06:07,112 - There was an age difference there 1354 01:06:07,112 --> 01:06:08,763 when we played some of the scenes. 1355 01:06:09,072 --> 01:06:11,412 But, he really wanted to tell the story 1356 01:06:11,412 --> 01:06:15,309 from his own eyes, voice, and vantage point. 1357 01:06:15,309 --> 01:06:17,857 - ''Sunset Boulevard'' as a musical? 1358 01:06:18,272 --> 01:06:19,558 Said it would never happen. 1359 01:06:22,842 --> 01:06:24,382 I wasn't in contact 1360 01:06:24,382 --> 01:06:26,082 with Stapley at all at this point. 1361 01:06:26,107 --> 01:06:27,127 VOICE OF DICKSON HUGHES 1362 01:06:27,152 --> 01:06:29,905 He just pulled away from our relationship. 1363 01:06:31,002 --> 01:06:32,625 He just withdrew, 1364 01:06:33,512 --> 01:06:37,142 and how many years, it's been 25 or 30 years 1365 01:06:37,142 --> 01:06:38,542 I guess since I've seen him. 1366 01:06:40,642 --> 01:06:41,969 - I never thought about Richard. 1367 01:06:42,662 --> 01:06:44,312 He was like a name in the script. 1368 01:06:45,382 --> 01:06:47,932 It didn't occur to me that there was a real person, 1369 01:06:48,982 --> 01:06:53,982 but on opening night at the Cinegrill, he showed up. 1370 01:06:56,452 --> 01:06:58,422 He came storming in. 1371 01:06:58,692 --> 01:07:00,655 He was tearing into the place. 1372 01:07:01,682 --> 01:07:04,315 He felt that Dickson was doing this behind his back. 1373 01:07:05,155 --> 01:07:06,022 And was he? 1374 01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:06,855 - Yeah. 1375 01:07:07,962 --> 01:07:10,625 - It was a very unpleasant confrontation. 1376 01:07:11,792 --> 01:07:13,912 I was really angered 1377 01:07:13,912 --> 01:07:15,915 that he didn't get in touch and tell me. 1378 01:07:17,198 --> 01:07:20,191 There was a relationship between Dickson and I 1379 01:07:20,522 --> 01:07:21,832 which was unusual, 1380 01:07:21,832 --> 01:07:25,205 and came at an extraordinary time in my life. 1381 01:07:26,802 --> 01:07:28,964 I'd always been a very private person, 1382 01:07:29,066 --> 01:07:31,425 and then suddenly the truth came out. 1383 01:07:32,452 --> 01:07:34,998 I was just mad, I was ready to sue. 1384 01:07:35,602 --> 01:07:37,102 And I said, well that has to go, 1385 01:07:37,102 --> 01:07:39,045 that has to go, that has to go. 1386 01:07:39,045 --> 01:07:40,262 - How did that happen? 1387 01:07:40,262 --> 01:07:43,042 Wasn't he married when you first met? 1388 01:07:43,305 --> 01:07:46,183 - Yes, it's a long story. 1389 01:07:46,582 --> 01:07:50,042 - His entire life is now being put out there 1390 01:07:50,042 --> 01:07:52,982 on public display, including the fact 1391 01:07:52,982 --> 01:07:56,089 that he was involved in a gay relationship. 1392 01:07:57,962 --> 01:08:00,612 He comes from an era where you don't talk about that, 1393 01:08:01,892 --> 01:08:06,892 and to acknowledge that he has affections for men 1394 01:08:06,952 --> 01:08:10,969 would destroy his entire public persona 1395 01:08:10,969 --> 01:08:13,175 and the only way he knows how to make money. 1396 01:08:15,782 --> 01:08:17,372 When a relationship ends, 1397 01:08:17,372 --> 01:08:20,115 and it ends contentiously, as this one did, 1398 01:08:20,582 --> 01:08:23,342 there's anger, and a lot of hurt feelings, 1399 01:08:23,752 --> 01:08:28,275 and because of this show, they were forced to reconcile. 1400 01:08:29,252 --> 01:08:31,472 And they were able to reconcile to the point 1401 01:08:31,472 --> 01:08:33,693 where they could sit down and talk, 1402 01:08:33,942 --> 01:08:36,342 and put the show together in a way 1403 01:08:36,342 --> 01:08:37,862 that both of them felt comfortable, 1404 01:08:37,862 --> 01:08:41,792 and felt like it was a true representation of what happened. 1405 01:08:41,792 --> 01:08:44,285 - Now you're changing the title to ''Swanson on Sunset.'' 1406 01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:45,865 Is that what you're calling it now? 1407 01:08:45,865 --> 01:08:48,165 - This is Dickson Hughes getting his own back. 1408 01:08:50,753 --> 01:08:51,870 - It was at the Cinegrill. 1409 01:08:51,895 --> 01:08:53,322 SWANSON ON SUNSET A MUSICAL MEMOIR 1410 01:08:53,347 --> 01:08:55,007 Wonderful supper club, cabaret room, 1411 01:08:55,007 --> 01:08:56,392 right in the heart of Hollywood, 1412 01:08:56,392 --> 01:08:57,992 across from the Chinese Theatre. 1413 01:08:59,992 --> 01:09:01,855 We had like a three or four week run. 1414 01:09:02,852 --> 01:09:06,465 There were a few reviews that were not that strong. 1415 01:09:08,602 --> 01:09:10,985 So the audiences were kinda weak. 1416 01:09:12,082 --> 01:09:14,432 - There was talk of recasting. 1417 01:09:14,432 --> 01:09:17,355 Recasting Dickson, maybe recasting me. 1418 01:09:18,852 --> 01:09:20,865 There were names that were bantered about. 1419 01:09:21,332 --> 01:09:22,951 Faye Dunaway was one of 'em. 1420 01:09:23,462 --> 01:09:25,498 - We tried to get a star. 1421 01:09:25,962 --> 01:09:29,576 I went to every older actress that I could get to, 1422 01:09:29,959 --> 01:09:31,886 but everybody turned me down. 1423 01:09:31,911 --> 01:09:38,185 - And that, my dear Dickson, I'm sorry to say, is that. 1424 01:09:39,562 --> 01:09:41,772 - I know that he wanted ''Swanson on Sunset'' 1425 01:09:41,772 --> 01:09:42,925 to be successful, 1426 01:09:43,782 --> 01:09:46,382 and I know he was very disappointed when it was not. 1427 01:09:47,582 --> 01:09:50,443 There was just no money to go on and do any more, 1428 01:09:51,292 --> 01:09:52,365 so that was it. 1429 01:09:56,855 --> 01:10:00,852 - It's 2003, and I'm living in West Hollywood, 1430 01:10:00,852 --> 01:10:02,659 just off Melrose Place, 1431 01:10:02,922 --> 01:10:04,941 and working as a screenwriter, 1432 01:10:05,129 --> 01:10:07,949 and so I'm home most of the time. 1433 01:10:08,192 --> 01:10:09,964 And I noticed this 1434 01:10:09,989 --> 01:10:12,232 click click clickety clack of a typewriter next door, 1435 01:10:12,257 --> 01:10:13,257 SCREENWRITER 1436 01:10:13,282 --> 01:10:14,685 and I love the sound. 1437 01:10:15,852 --> 01:10:18,569 And I kept peering next door to see who it was. 1438 01:10:21,460 --> 01:10:23,082 You know, a couple weeks go by, 1439 01:10:23,082 --> 01:10:25,432 and then I finally saw this elderly gentleman 1440 01:10:25,432 --> 01:10:27,492 come out a couple times. 1441 01:10:27,492 --> 01:10:29,612 And finally, I knock on the door, 1442 01:10:29,612 --> 01:10:33,969 and I said to him, ''Hi, I'm Barbara, I live right there, 1443 01:10:33,969 --> 01:10:35,879 and I really love listening 1444 01:10:35,879 --> 01:10:37,584 to the sound of the typewriter.'' 1445 01:10:38,282 --> 01:10:41,255 He started laughing, and then invited me in for a drink, 1446 01:10:42,162 --> 01:10:44,265 and the friendship started from there. 1447 01:10:46,352 --> 01:10:48,295 - Richard was a very hard worker, 1448 01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,832 and when I knew him in his later years, 1449 01:10:50,832 --> 01:10:54,645 he was very busy writing books and screenplays. 1450 01:10:55,506 --> 01:10:56,981 He was always trying to make it. 1451 01:10:57,006 --> 01:10:59,085 He never kind of gave up trying to make it. 1452 01:11:01,292 --> 01:11:03,782 - He felt like he had a lot more to say, 1453 01:11:03,782 --> 01:11:05,075 and a lot more to give. 1454 01:11:06,012 --> 01:11:08,612 And that's why he was always working on his stories. 1455 01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:13,815 He felt like his star had waned dramatically, and it had, 1456 01:11:14,662 --> 01:11:17,852 and he really felt like he needed to redeem himself, 1457 01:11:17,852 --> 01:11:21,325 and leave that perfect legacy of hey, this is what I've got. 1458 01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:23,390 TO SLIP & FALL IN LA A MEMOIR BY RICHARD STANLEY 1459 01:11:23,415 --> 01:11:25,862 - By the time he wrote his autobiography, 1460 01:11:25,862 --> 01:11:27,322 I think he had come to terms 1461 01:11:27,322 --> 01:11:30,132 with who he was, and his identity. 1462 01:11:30,132 --> 01:11:31,844 - Richard. - Richard? 1463 01:11:31,844 --> 01:11:32,992 - Stapley. 1464 01:11:32,992 --> 01:11:35,342 - Well, he told me a lot of his other escapades, 1465 01:11:35,342 --> 01:11:36,875 but he never mentioned men. 1466 01:11:38,532 --> 01:11:39,882 - There was an individual 1467 01:11:39,882 --> 01:11:42,711 who was complicated like anybody in the arts. 1468 01:11:43,152 --> 01:11:46,562 It was fascinating when I did my work on Gloria, 1469 01:11:46,562 --> 01:11:48,492 because in her archives 1470 01:11:48,492 --> 01:11:51,622 held at the Harry Ransom Center in Austin, Texas, 1471 01:11:51,622 --> 01:11:55,180 I found letters between the two men. 1472 01:11:55,562 --> 01:11:58,542 And you can tell in Richard's writing 1473 01:11:58,542 --> 01:12:01,735 that Richard was deeply in love with Dickson. 1474 01:12:03,442 --> 01:12:06,692 Dearest Dickson, I see at one and the same time 1475 01:12:06,692 --> 01:12:09,052 my first sight of the United States, 1476 01:12:09,052 --> 01:12:11,852 and the very road we used to take so often to the beach. 1477 01:12:13,202 --> 01:12:16,385 Little did I know, I'd be driving along it so frequently. 1478 01:12:17,282 --> 01:12:19,272 I remember as if it were yesterday, 1479 01:12:19,272 --> 01:12:21,322 and I said I love you for the first time. 1480 01:12:22,452 --> 01:12:24,835 They were, and are tender, sweet things. 1481 01:12:25,962 --> 01:12:26,875 I do miss you. 1482 01:12:27,862 --> 01:12:29,952 I remember the Christmas at the beach, 1483 01:12:29,952 --> 01:12:32,435 when we were so poor, yet so rich in spirit. 1484 01:12:33,452 --> 01:12:36,842 It isn't so much a morbid remembrance of things past, 1485 01:12:36,842 --> 01:12:39,855 as a sadness of the frailty of human nature. 1486 01:12:41,462 --> 01:12:44,185 I wish we hadn't drifted so far away, Dick. 1487 01:12:44,742 --> 01:12:46,305 Always, Richard. 1488 01:12:50,252 --> 01:12:52,990 - He was a very sophisticated gentleman. 1489 01:12:53,342 --> 01:12:57,068 He'd been there and back, and everybody loved him. 1490 01:12:57,652 --> 01:12:59,872 He was always on top of things, 1491 01:12:59,872 --> 01:13:02,408 looking forward to the next project. 1492 01:13:02,408 --> 01:13:05,630 ♪ Happy days are here again ♪ 1493 01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:08,932 ♪ Those skies above are clear again ♪ 1494 01:13:09,381 --> 01:13:11,522 - Dickson always had gigs. 1495 01:13:11,522 --> 01:13:14,055 People hired him for weddings, and parties. 1496 01:13:15,632 --> 01:13:19,095 He had students, and I was one of 'em. 1497 01:13:20,452 --> 01:13:21,808 Dickson was humble. 1498 01:13:22,332 --> 01:13:24,242 He was very kind of cool and laid back, 1499 01:13:24,242 --> 01:13:25,795 and he let other people shine. 1500 01:13:26,342 --> 01:13:27,778 DICKSON HUGHES SINGS AND PLAYS! 1501 01:13:27,802 --> 01:13:29,932 He had that little studio apartment up the hill, 1502 01:13:29,932 --> 01:13:31,645 I think it was under rent control. 1503 01:13:32,502 --> 01:13:35,702 He had his nice Cadillac he always took care of, 1504 01:13:35,702 --> 01:13:37,566 and he always managed. 1505 01:13:40,562 --> 01:13:42,472 Then he got that good, steady job 1506 01:13:42,472 --> 01:13:44,605 at the Ritz-Carlton in Pasadena. 1507 01:13:46,002 --> 01:13:47,454 He'd wear his tuxedo. 1508 01:13:47,842 --> 01:13:50,565 He always looked perfect for whatever he had to do. 1509 01:13:51,542 --> 01:13:53,882 - Not only was he a passionate person, 1510 01:13:53,882 --> 01:13:56,350 but he was a very spiritual person. 1511 01:13:59,862 --> 01:14:03,722 He was constantly working with people 1512 01:14:03,722 --> 01:14:05,505 on an empathetic level. 1513 01:14:06,922 --> 01:14:09,492 - Marianne Williamson, she lectures on a book 1514 01:14:09,492 --> 01:14:11,582 called ''A Course in Miracles.'' 1515 01:14:11,582 --> 01:14:15,862 Dickson read that book, it was dog-eared next to his bed. 1516 01:14:15,862 --> 01:14:18,265 He knew it chapter and verse, and he lived it. 1517 01:14:21,292 --> 01:14:23,112 He was one of the very first people 1518 01:14:23,112 --> 01:14:25,942 that would go to study with Marianne Williamson, 1519 01:14:25,942 --> 01:14:27,855 long before she became famous. 1520 01:14:28,762 --> 01:14:31,302 She started Project Angel Food 1521 01:14:31,302 --> 01:14:33,742 at the height of the AIDS crisis. 1522 01:14:33,742 --> 01:14:36,015 It supplied one hot meal a day to people 1523 01:14:36,015 --> 01:14:38,568 that had life-challenging illnesses. 1524 01:14:39,042 --> 01:14:40,522 The first fundraiser they ever had 1525 01:14:40,522 --> 01:14:42,962 was in her apartment in West Hollywood, 1526 01:14:42,962 --> 01:14:44,922 and Dickson played piano for her. 1527 01:14:44,922 --> 01:14:46,662 - This is really a super evening, 1528 01:14:46,662 --> 01:14:48,679 and I'm honored to be here. 1529 01:14:49,932 --> 01:14:54,015 - I don't think it all was happy ever after. 1530 01:14:55,092 --> 01:14:57,643 He just got older, and he got weaker. 1531 01:15:01,182 --> 01:15:03,582 - Dickson was in a nursing home in Palm Springs. 1532 01:15:04,482 --> 01:15:06,425 He was battling Alzheimer's. 1533 01:15:08,892 --> 01:15:10,852 VOICE OF ELIZABETH WYLER Richard never discussed 1534 01:15:10,852 --> 01:15:12,492 Dickson Hughes with me. 1535 01:15:12,492 --> 01:15:14,165 I never discussed it with him. 1536 01:15:15,302 --> 01:15:20,002 But then Richard said that he and Dickson Hughes, 1537 01:15:20,002 --> 01:15:22,402 at the last few years of his life, 1538 01:15:22,402 --> 01:15:24,545 they saw a lot of one another. 1539 01:15:26,036 --> 01:15:29,026 - Stapley was there, and he put Dickson on the phone 1540 01:15:29,222 --> 01:15:30,435 to say hello to me. 1541 01:15:34,054 --> 01:15:35,872 And I said hello to him, 1542 01:15:35,872 --> 01:15:39,132 but I'm not sure that Dickson 1543 01:15:39,132 --> 01:15:41,335 was sure sometimes who he was talking to. 1544 01:15:42,652 --> 01:15:44,449 - Dickson said to me, he said, 1545 01:15:44,449 --> 01:15:46,669 ''Death came from the hand of the same creator 1546 01:15:46,669 --> 01:15:47,904 that gave you life.'' 1547 01:15:48,602 --> 01:15:51,692 Birth, life, death, so it can't be bad. 1548 01:15:51,717 --> 01:15:52,988 Death can't be bad. 1549 01:15:53,900 --> 01:15:57,687 ''WHEN YOU LOVE'' FROM BOULEVARD! ♪ When you love ♪ 1550 01:15:57,687 --> 01:16:01,749 ♪ And truly love ♪ 1551 01:16:01,749 --> 01:16:06,309 ♪ You'll never ♪ 1552 01:16:06,309 --> 01:16:08,892 ♪ Ask for more ♪ 1553 01:16:23,282 --> 01:16:26,595 - Richard Stapley was not having an easy time of it. 1554 01:16:27,802 --> 01:16:30,972 He was not being sought after, 1555 01:16:30,972 --> 01:16:32,585 and he couldn't get an agent. 1556 01:16:33,972 --> 01:16:37,942 - He got a motorcycle, and he was delivering scripts 1557 01:16:37,942 --> 01:16:40,542 to the studios as a messenger. 1558 01:16:40,542 --> 01:16:43,282 And for a little while, he had this little business going, 1559 01:16:43,282 --> 01:16:46,665 but it didn't last, and pretty soon that era changed. 1560 01:16:48,852 --> 01:16:51,565 - He had not prepared for the latter part of his life, 1561 01:16:52,882 --> 01:16:56,490 and he found himself getting deeper into debt, 1562 01:16:57,002 --> 01:17:00,026 and having a difficult time surviving. 1563 01:17:01,722 --> 01:17:05,922 - He was writing a screenplay that he felt very strongly 1564 01:17:05,922 --> 01:17:08,492 would be a real blockbuster. 1565 01:17:08,492 --> 01:17:10,422 He wrote almost every day, 1566 01:17:10,422 --> 01:17:13,084 but we just never got anywhere with it, 1567 01:17:13,652 --> 01:17:17,852 so it was a very frustrating and difficult time for him. 1568 01:17:17,852 --> 01:17:19,555 - Hello, Richard. - Well, hello. 1569 01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:21,245 - How are you today? - Oh I'm all right. 1570 01:17:21,245 --> 01:17:23,262 - But, he was a fighter. 1571 01:17:23,262 --> 01:17:26,919 He kept saying, ''Tomorrow it's gonna get better. 1572 01:17:26,919 --> 01:17:29,742 ''Tomorrow something good's gonna happen for me.'' 1573 01:17:29,742 --> 01:17:32,430 - The biggest thing is never to give up. 1574 01:17:32,862 --> 01:17:34,882 - I guess we all believed in him, 1575 01:17:34,882 --> 01:17:37,679 and didn't like to see him in the situation he was in, 1576 01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:40,695 and so we tried to do what we could to help. 1577 01:17:42,922 --> 01:17:46,586 But, I was pretty sure that it was a lost cause 1578 01:17:46,942 --> 01:17:49,125 because he was living in another time. 1579 01:17:50,382 --> 01:17:54,662 - I felt like I had done what a friend should do, 1580 01:17:54,662 --> 01:17:57,042 in being realistic with him 1581 01:17:57,042 --> 01:18:01,645 about his options as an older man with no money. 1582 01:18:03,302 --> 01:18:07,079 And that's when I suggested that we do these autograph shows 1583 01:18:07,662 --> 01:18:10,322 filled with old movie stars, 1584 01:18:10,322 --> 01:18:13,602 and people that never quite became movie stars. 1585 01:18:14,062 --> 01:18:16,242 You're sitting there with a bunch of photographs of you 1586 01:18:16,242 --> 01:18:18,632 40 years ago, and the people look at them 1587 01:18:18,632 --> 01:18:20,282 and they look up, is this you? 1588 01:18:20,282 --> 01:18:21,749 - Richard Stapley. - Oh, okay. 1589 01:18:21,749 --> 01:18:23,429 And Richard Wyler. - Yeah. 1590 01:18:23,895 --> 01:18:27,592 - The only reason they're interested is what you used to be. 1591 01:18:27,592 --> 01:18:29,012 - I'd like to play a very good part 1592 01:18:29,012 --> 01:18:31,619 in ''Desperate Housewives.'' 1593 01:18:31,619 --> 01:18:33,535 ''Desperate Housewives?'' - Yes. 1594 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,515 Like a desperate guy on ''Desperate Housewives?'' 1595 01:18:35,515 --> 01:18:36,665 - A desperate guy, yes. 1596 01:18:39,732 --> 01:18:42,432 - He finally had to come to terms 1597 01:18:42,432 --> 01:18:45,485 with not being the person that he was on the screen. 1598 01:18:46,612 --> 01:18:48,642 It was an amazing moment 1599 01:18:48,642 --> 01:18:51,872 to confront his career as it really was. 1600 01:18:51,872 --> 01:18:54,219 'Cause we couldn't lie about it at that point. 1601 01:18:54,982 --> 01:18:56,682 I had to just say, well it's over. 1602 01:18:59,172 --> 01:19:02,762 - As his financial situation continued to decline, 1603 01:19:02,762 --> 01:19:05,092 the status of the places where he was living 1604 01:19:05,092 --> 01:19:07,275 declined in like measure. 1605 01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:12,562 He was living in a fairly rundown motel 1606 01:19:12,562 --> 01:19:15,505 on a very bad street in Palm Springs. 1607 01:19:17,132 --> 01:19:18,982 He has no money, 1608 01:19:18,982 --> 01:19:23,172 he's threatened with eviction almost on a daily basis, 1609 01:19:23,172 --> 01:19:27,060 and essentially begging for anyone to give him sustenance. 1610 01:19:27,652 --> 01:19:31,892 And he was growing wildly despondent by the end. 1611 01:19:31,892 --> 01:19:33,452 - Yesterday was a very difficult day, 1612 01:19:33,452 --> 01:19:37,428 and let me know how can I start out of this? 1613 01:19:37,882 --> 01:19:39,892 - He also was not feeling well, 1614 01:19:39,892 --> 01:19:42,735 and I think he knew that he had cancer. 1615 01:19:43,972 --> 01:19:45,972 And I think he did not want to admit it, 1616 01:19:46,892 --> 01:19:49,872 and so the last few months of his life, 1617 01:19:49,872 --> 01:19:51,972 he spent all his days writing 1618 01:19:51,972 --> 01:19:54,032 because he had things in his head 1619 01:19:54,032 --> 01:19:55,448 and he wanted to get them out. 1620 01:19:57,022 --> 01:19:58,925 And so he was writing constantly, 1621 01:19:59,832 --> 01:20:02,745 until he simply could not go on anymore, 1622 01:20:03,762 --> 01:20:06,262 and the unwellness just became overwhelming 1623 01:20:06,262 --> 01:20:09,262 and he had to go to the hospital and ultimately passed away. 1624 01:20:10,942 --> 01:20:14,525 - I went there about two weeks after he died, 1625 01:20:15,382 --> 01:20:20,382 and one of the nurses told me that he was sitting in bed, 1626 01:20:20,702 --> 01:20:23,932 and ''Sunset Boulevard'' was on television, 1627 01:20:23,932 --> 01:20:26,066 two nights before he died. 1628 01:20:26,512 --> 01:20:27,462 And he was looking up there, 1629 01:20:27,462 --> 01:20:30,115 and the nurse comes in to take his vitals, 1630 01:20:31,062 --> 01:20:34,206 and he says, ''You see that woman, Gloria Swanson? 1631 01:20:34,659 --> 01:20:38,644 ''She was so in love with me, you couldn't imagine. 1632 01:20:39,029 --> 01:20:40,869 ''I was the love of her life.'' 1633 01:20:45,091 --> 01:20:47,253 So if I hadn't come along and contacted you, 1634 01:20:47,402 --> 01:20:49,325 what would've happened to this story? 1635 01:20:50,322 --> 01:20:52,365 - You know, maybe nothing. 1636 01:20:53,352 --> 01:20:57,462 Somebody had to come and knock on the door and say, hey, 1637 01:20:57,462 --> 01:20:58,462 this is interesting. 1638 01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:02,482 But if you hadn't done it, and if nobody else would've, 1639 01:21:02,482 --> 01:21:04,652 then it would all sit in a box, 1640 01:21:04,652 --> 01:21:07,475 and to get left behind, that's sad. 1641 01:21:09,312 --> 01:21:11,742 Richard would be very pleased with this film 1642 01:21:11,742 --> 01:21:13,568 that he's being remembered. 1643 01:21:14,252 --> 01:21:16,752 And I think Dickson would be very pleased 1644 01:21:16,752 --> 01:21:18,562 that his story's being remembered, 1645 01:21:18,562 --> 01:21:21,012 that his music is being remembered. 1646 01:21:21,012 --> 01:21:24,092 And I'm sure Gloria would be pleased to know 1647 01:21:24,092 --> 01:21:25,835 that her legend lives on. 1648 01:21:26,762 --> 01:21:29,392 At the end of the day, I think that's all we want 1649 01:21:29,392 --> 01:21:30,642 is just to be remembered. 1650 01:21:33,105 --> 01:21:35,021 - At the age of 80, 1651 01:21:35,402 --> 01:21:38,419 Gloria Swanson wrote ''Swanson on Swanson.'' 1652 01:21:39,592 --> 01:21:41,772 It truly is one of the best, 1653 01:21:41,772 --> 01:21:45,632 most candid autobiographies ever written. 1654 01:21:45,632 --> 01:21:50,632 But, she did not write about the ''Sunset Boulevard'' musical. 1655 01:21:52,202 --> 01:21:56,029 Gloria was always keen to talk about her triumphs, 1656 01:21:56,552 --> 01:21:58,762 but this was a failure, 1657 01:21:58,762 --> 01:22:01,875 and Gloria never acknowledged failures. 1658 01:22:02,942 --> 01:22:05,705 - I'm wondering why that was sort of left out. 1659 01:22:07,092 --> 01:22:08,592 I think she put it behind her. 1660 01:22:09,442 --> 01:22:12,742 She never seemed to live in any regret. 1661 01:22:12,742 --> 01:22:15,022 She did not live in the past. 1662 01:22:15,022 --> 01:22:17,882 She just kept living her life the way it was. 1663 01:22:17,882 --> 01:22:19,622 The opposite of Norma Desmond. 1664 01:22:19,622 --> 01:22:22,252 - The opposite of Norma Desmond, yes. 1665 01:22:23,100 --> 01:22:26,641 ♪ However they flatter ♪ 1666 01:22:26,641 --> 01:22:30,299 BOULEVARD A NEW MUSICAL PLAY ♪ I'll still be where ♪ 1667 01:22:30,299 --> 01:22:34,119 ♪ The people who matter ♪ 1668 01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:37,719 ♪ The people who care ♪ 1669 01:22:37,719 --> 01:22:42,719 ♪ Are the ones who silently give me ♪ 1670 01:22:43,521 --> 01:22:48,521 ♪ That magical spark ♪ 1671 01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:54,180 ♪ Those wonderful people ♪ 1672 01:22:54,519 --> 01:22:57,297 ♪ Out there ♪ 1673 01:22:57,297 --> 01:22:59,797 ♪ In the dark ♪ 1674 01:23:26,824 --> 01:23:30,664 ♪ The lovely things that fate invents ♪ 1675 01:23:30,664 --> 01:23:34,344 ♪ Have puzzled me before ♪ 1676 01:23:34,344 --> 01:23:37,842 ♪ I've had my share of incidents ♪ 1677 01:23:37,842 --> 01:23:41,203 ♪ I just want something more ♪ 1678 01:23:41,203 --> 01:23:45,006 ♪ He walked in here without a warning ♪ 1679 01:23:45,006 --> 01:23:48,862 ♪ Flashing his charming boyish grin ♪ 1680 01:23:48,862 --> 01:23:53,422 ♪ And suddenly the twilight seems bright as morning ♪ 1681 01:23:53,422 --> 01:23:57,864 ♪ How did this all begin ♪ 1682 01:23:57,864 --> 01:24:00,766 ♪ What's the answer ♪ 1683 01:24:00,766 --> 01:24:04,158 ♪ When love comes calling ♪ 1684 01:24:04,158 --> 01:24:09,158 ♪ Should count or might point out the play ♪ 1685 01:24:10,606 --> 01:24:13,966 ♪ My heart's a dancer ♪ 1686 01:24:13,966 --> 01:24:17,326 ♪ And changeable it's true ♪ 1687 01:24:17,326 --> 01:24:22,326 ♪ And oh, the things it's led me to ♪ 1688 01:24:24,381 --> 01:24:26,761 ♪ What's the answer ♪ 1689 01:24:26,761 --> 01:24:29,923 ♪ I feel like falling ♪ 1690 01:24:29,923 --> 01:24:33,100 ♪ And then my mind tells me ♪ 1691 01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:36,622 ♪ I'll have to pay ♪ 1692 01:24:36,622 --> 01:24:39,338 ♪ But how can I resist ♪ 1693 01:24:39,338 --> 01:24:43,502 ♪ What my heart's been dreaming of ♪ 1694 01:24:43,502 --> 01:24:46,862 ♪ So what's the answer ♪ 1695 01:24:46,862 --> 01:24:50,206 ♪ It's love ♪ 1696 01:24:50,206 --> 01:24:53,166 ♪ What's the answer ♪ 1697 01:24:53,166 --> 01:24:56,446 ♪ I feel like falling ♪ 1698 01:24:56,446 --> 01:24:59,702 ♪ And then my mind tells me ♪ 1699 01:24:59,702 --> 01:25:03,044 ♪ I'll have to pay ♪ 1700 01:25:03,044 --> 01:25:05,763 ♪ But how can I resist ♪ 1701 01:25:05,763 --> 01:25:10,061 ♪ What my heart's been dreaming of ♪ 1702 01:25:10,061 --> 01:25:14,904 ♪ So what's the answer ♪ 1703 01:25:14,904 --> 01:25:17,237 ♪ It's love ♪ 125075

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