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It's one of the biggest questions
in science - is there,
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somewhere out in the cosmos,
life waiting to be discovered?
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And what will it be like?
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But what's less reported is the work
being done to determine what happens
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if we do discover aliens.
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How could we communicate with them?
What should we say?
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And, most importantly,
should we talk to them at all?
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This month, The Sky At Night team
are investigating
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the controversial world of
extraterrestrial communication.
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We follow one of astronomy's most
contentious figures, Doug Vakoch,
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on a research trip to the UK...
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This isn't the ordinary
kind of signal.
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I think they're trying
to get our attention.
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..to meet experts in animal
and alien communication.
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We can say that any alien
civilisation that has technology
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must have a language.
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Exoplaneteer George Dransfield
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discovers how we listen
for messages from outer space.
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Something out there has made that
technology to produce that signal
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and therefore, we're going to assume
that's an intelligent,
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extraterrestrial civilisation.
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And Pete Lawrence tells us
how to see this month's supermoon
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and Perseid meteor shower.
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Welcome to The Sky At Night.
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This is Professor Doug Vakoch.
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He's an astrobiologist and he's
trying to communicate with aliens.
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I have no doubt that aliens
have to exist somewhere out there.
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If there's no-one else out there
it would be a miracle
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and I don't believe in miracles.
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Vakoch spent much of his career
working at the SETI Institute,
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an acronym which stands for the
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Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence. But in 2015,
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he decided to stop waiting
for the aliens to come to us.
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The SETI organisations that exist
have avoided the controversy
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of sending messages into space.
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And yet, maybe that's what we need
to do to make first contact.
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And so that's how
METI International came to be.
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He's now the president
of METI International,
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which stands for Messaging
Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
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They use a powerful transmitter
to send a signal out into space
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in the hope that aliens
will find it and respond.
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The goal of METI
is to establish first contact.
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We've always assumed the aliens
will take the initiative.
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Maybe it's the audacious young
civilisation like earthlings
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who have to reach out
to make first contact.
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Vakoch collaborates
with like-minded scientists,
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linguists and philosophers
around the world
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to answer crucial questions.
And that's why he's here in the UK.
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The Sky At Night have been invited
to follow some of these meetings
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to gain a better understanding
of the world of METI.
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I want very practical answers to
questions that seem very esoteric -
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how to communicate with aliens.
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I want to figure out how to create
a message that might actually
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be understood and then how
to remember that message
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in case, centuries from now,
we get a reply.
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But if we can't even communicate
with our nearest animal relatives,
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what chance do we have
with an alien?
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First stop on his trip
is a slightly unusual zoologist.
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I mean, if you go to his website,
University of Cambridge,
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Dr Arik Kershenbaum -
"animal vocal communication
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"and the evolution of language
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"and xenolinguistics and the search
for extraterrestrial intelligence."
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This is a zoologist I need to meet.
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Dr Arik Kershenbaum,
from the University of Cambridge,
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specialises in the communication
of wolves and dolphins.
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He's also a member of the Cambridge
Institute for Exo-Language.
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How does a zoologist
come to get interested in aliens?
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I think that what zoologists do
is understand mechanisms.
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We're always thinking evolution.
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What is it that made this,
gives this an advantage?
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I don't know exactly what
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a creature on another planet
is going to look like.
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But I can make general predictions
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about how evolution will always
work out - that they will need food,
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they'll need to search for energy.
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So you would expect from that,
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them to live in groups
with related individuals.
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How about something like language
or communication?
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Do you have to have that?
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Well, all animals on Earth
communicate, all of them,
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every single one.
And that's not a coincidence.
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It's nothing special about Earth.
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Is there any reason to think that
aliens would talk with one another
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in a way similar
to what we're doing?
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We can say that any alien
civilisation that has technology,
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the kind of technologies
that we're familiar with,
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must have a language because there
needs to be something like language
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to allow them to say to each other,
"Give me the screwdriver,"
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or, you know... And if you can't
say, "Give me a screwdriver,"
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you're not going to build a radio
transmitter, a radio receiver.
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Exactly. So these are the aliens
we're interested in.
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At least, I'm interested in,
the ones I can talk with.
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If we're talking about
an intelligent, technological,
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alien civilisation that's looking
for us, just like we're looking
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for them, hopefully they'll be
trying to teach us their language,
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just as we should be trying
to teach them our language.
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Arik records animal vocalisations
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in the search for patterns
that could be universal.
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So, this is an example of a dolphin
whistle. And I'll play this.
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DOLPHIN CLICKS AND WHISTLES
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If you compare that
to a wolf howl...
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So, this is an example
of a wolf howling.
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WOLF HOWLS
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That very typical rise in pitch
and then fall.
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Played at normal speed, dolphins and
wolves sound completely different.
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But Arik believes
that their communication
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is much more similar than
we might think.
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This, on the left,
is the same dolphin whistle
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but slowed down by about 30 times.
It sounds like this.
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SLOW, LOW-PITCHED WAIL
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So they're using the same method,
that varying of the frequency,
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varying of the pitch,
high pitch, low pitch,
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to send messages
over long distances.
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It's a very reliable way to send
information in a noisy environment,
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and it's constrained by the physics
of the world they live in.
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So, if you go to another planet,
the details of the planet
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may be different, but the physics
is going to be the same.
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The physics is the same.
And that means that the constraints
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on the evolution of these animals
are the same.
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The constraints that determine,
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should this animal
have words and sentences,
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should this animal have continuous
howls going up and down in pitch?
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So there's hope of understanding
alien...if not language,
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at least vocalisations. I think
there's hope of understanding
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whatever language
we might encounter, wherever it is.
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I came into our conversation
wondering whether our attempt
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to send human greetings into space
is completely meaningless.
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But what I'm getting from you
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is that if we look
at the physics of sound,
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that's something that we might
be able to communicate to an alien,
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and they should be able
to figure out
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that it's a language of some sort.
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Doug Vakoch and his METI colleagues
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are not the first to attempt
communication with aliens.
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These messages have taken on
a variety of forms over the years,
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a record of us shouting
into the cosmos.
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The first transmission
intended for aliens was sent in 1962
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by Soviet scientists
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who aimed a radio transmitter
at the planet Venus.
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It contained three words
spelled in Morse code.
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"Mir" - which is Russian
for peace or world -
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"Lenin" and "USSR".
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The aliens didn't reply,
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presumably because
they don't understand Morse code.
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A decade later, Pioneer probes 10
and 11 carried small metal plaques
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showing our location in the galaxy
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and, perhaps because it was
the '70s, naked human figures.
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It's a rather narrow view
of humanity, a gesture to the cosmos
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made by a white man, hardly
representative of life on Earth.
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This project, like so many attempts
to communicate, ends up telling us
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more about ourselves than
whoever or whatever is out there.
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Then in 1974,
Carl Sagan and Frank Drake
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used the upgrade of the
Arecibo telescope, in Puerto Rico,
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to send a radio message
of binary code to M13.
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But M13, the target cluster,
is nearly 25,000 light years away.
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So even if the Arecibo message
is received by aliens,
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we'll have to patiently wait
50,000 years for their response.
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In 1977, Sagan and Drake teamed up
again to place the Golden Record
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aboard Voyager 1 and 2.
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The ambitious international
time capsule contained music,
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a greeting in Welsh, a selection of
whale song and some more Morse code.
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Voyager 1 is currently the furthest
away human-made object in space,
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and it would be nearly impossible
for another civilisation to find it.
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But as Carl Sagan said,
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"The launching of this bottle
on the cosmic ocean
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"says something very hopeful about
life on this planet."
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And then there were the more recent
attempts to share popular culture
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with outer space.
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In 2008, NASA broadcast
The Beatles song Across The Universe
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to the star Polaris.
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And in the same year,
the ice cap radar on Svalbard
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was used to transmit a powerful,
deliberate signal
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to hungry extraterrestrials
in the Ursa Major constellation.
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It was an advert for Doritos.
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One reason to think about messaging
aliens is that THEY might call US.
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Finding signals from space
is the work of SETI,
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the Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence.
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Exoplaneteer George Dransfield
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is at the Jodrell Bank Observatory
to investigate.
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In my work, I search for potentially
habitable exoplanets,
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that is, planets
outside the solar system
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that could possibly sustain life.
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However, while I am hunting
for these brand-new worlds,
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there's a whole other set
of astronomers
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who are listening to them,
searching for potential signs
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of advanced civilisations
out there in the universe
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that could maybe
be looking down at us.
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Professor Tim O'Brien
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is Associate Director at the Jodrell
Bank Centre for Astrophysics.
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The radio telescopes here
have been used to search for aliens.
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What kind of telescopes
around the world are focusing
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and working on SETI right now? Yeah,
I mean, it's a sort of golden age
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for SETI, I would say. I mean,
it started... It began, really,
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in the early 1960s
with just a few sort of pioneers.
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And now we've actually got a major
effort, the best SETI programmes
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we've ever had, particularly
the Breakthrough Listen programme,
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which is using telescopes
in the USA.
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It's also using the
Parkes telescope, in Australia.
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We're part of that programme
as well.
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SETI scientists like Tim
are looking for technosignatures -
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signs of distant,
advanced civilisations.
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Technosignatures is a...
In our case, a radio signal
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that's produced by technology.
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So of course, one of the reasons
SETI people would be interested
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in that is because we think,
if we detect such a signal
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coming from distant space, something
out there has made that technology
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to produce that signal and
therefore, we're going to assume
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that's an intelligent,
extraterrestrial civilisation.
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All objects in space
that emit energy, emit radio waves.
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Most of these signals
are naturally occurring,
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but certain types could
be a sign of alien technology.
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How can you distinguish
between technosignature
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and radio signatures
produced by nature?
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The key difference really is that
natural radio signals
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tend to produce radio waves across
a really wide part of the spectrum
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the very broad band signals,
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whereas technosignatures
from technology
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are often very narrow lines
in the spectrum.
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And I've got a sort of example here,
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this very bright feature
that runs down the middle,
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that's actually a natural signal,
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that's actually a broad line
from hydrogen in space.
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But you might also spot, just
sitting in the background... Yeah!
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..there's some little faint spikes.
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Now, those are some sort of
interference,
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which is basically
a technosignature,
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but likely from nearby. Right.
From the Earth, effectively.
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The challenge is distinguishing
a technosignature from outer space
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from technology here on Earth.
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How do you know that they're not
going to be false positives
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if you find them in space?
Yeah, this is a classic problem.
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Modern world, full of technology
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producing these sorts
of radio signals.
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And you've got to distinguish
a so-called sort of alien signal
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from a human-made one.
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And so there's a number of sort of
clever ways we can do that.
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One way is to look at the exoplanet
direction you're interested in
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and then shift your telescope off
to one side and just do that
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sort of on-and-off sequence. Yeah.
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If there's something local around us
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that's producing this
technosignature
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it would also be
in the off direction.
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And if it's just coming
from the exoplanet direction,
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you only see it in your own data.
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Another sign of a technosignature
is random patterns,
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but these can also be misleading.
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What if you find something
that looks exactly like
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a technosignature,
as you'd expect it to be,
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how do you know that there's nothing
in nature that can produce it?
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Yeah. I mean, the pulsars were
an interesting case.
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I mean, discovered in 1967
by Jocelyn Bell.
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What they saw was a signal that went
on and off repeatedly and, you know,
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that seemed unnatural.
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And they did call that first pulsar
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LGM-1, where LGM stood for
Little Green Man.
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The scientists soon realised
that the signal
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wasn't little green men,
it was a pulsar.
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This can occur when a large star
collapses in on itself
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at the end of its life.
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It starts to spin, shooting out
powerful beams of light.
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This is a recording we made
with the Lovell Telescope here,
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and here we go. Wow, yeah.
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So, these are
the repetitive flashes,
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about three a second,
something like this, in this case.
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So, this is a dead star
the size of a city,
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spinning around something
like three times a second,
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which is pretty, pretty incredible.
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I mean, you can see why
when you first find that,
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you would think that
that is not natural. Yeah.
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Tim might listen for messages from
outer space, but he is less keen
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on actually sending one from Earth.
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I wouldn't send out messages
deliberately.
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I mean, some people will say
that they'd not be keen because
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why would you advertise
your presence so deliberately
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to a potential extraterrestrial
civilisation when you have no idea
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what they might be like?
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So you might end up with
an Independence Day scenario
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or some such thing where you are...
Mars Attacks! Mars Attacks! indeed.
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For me, it's more to
do with what to say. Yeah.
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Is it just people like me who
happen to have access
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to a big radio telescope who speaks
on behalf of the planet? Yeah.
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We're speaking on behalf of the
planet... Of course, yeah.
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..in these sorts of situations.
Yeah. So what you say matters.
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I think that's an interesting
challenge
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because we're in that situation now.
We have the technology
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and we'll probably very soon have
the potential targets.
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So, Tim's told us that we are now
entering a golden age of SETI.
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My hope is that, in the next few
decades, we might find some sort of
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technosignature from one of
the many, many exoplanets
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that people in my field
are so keenly looking for.
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Astronomers are still searching
for the man on the moon.
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But in the meantime,
The Sky At Night's stargazing expert
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Pete Lawrence is here to tell us
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why it looks particularly
impressive in July.
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This month, we're talking about
a special full moon
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and a dramatic meteor shower
that could be breathtaking.
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We get a full moon when it's on the
opposite side of Earth to the sun.
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When it's in position
closest to Earth,
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it's called a perigee full moon,
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sometimes referred to
as a supermoon.
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A perigee full moon occurs
several times a year,
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and the next one will happen
on the evening of the 31st of July
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into the morning
of the 1st of August.
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As we move towards mid-August,
the full moon will be slimming down,
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ensuring perfect conditions
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for the peak of a spectacular
meteor shower, the Perseids.
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I've been observing the Perseid
meteor shower since 1977.
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It's one of my favourite showers.
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Now, the climb to maximum
is pretty steep, and that occurs
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on the nights of the 12th, 13th
into the 13th, 14th of August.
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Now, the best time to look out
for them is from 1:00am BST -
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that's midnight GMT - because after
that time, the Earth has turned
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to face the particles which form
the meteor trails head on.
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The Perseids are one of
the more plentiful showers.
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They have a peak zenithal rate
of around 100 meteors per hour.
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The particles in the Perseid stream
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originate from comet
109P/Swift-Tuttle.
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The small area of sky that the
meteors appear to emanate from
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is called the shower's radiant.
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The Perseid shower gets its name
because when it's most active,
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its radiant is in the constellation
of Perseus.
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The location of the radiant
moves over time,
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activity beginning
when it's in Cassiopeia.
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As it moves into Perseus,
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it reaches the peak.
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But shortly afterwards
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it slips into neighbouring
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Camelopardalis,
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a faint constellation
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representing a giraffe.
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It's not difficult to set up
a camera to photograph meteors.
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The tricky part is pointing
the camera at the right area of sky
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at the right time
to catch a bright meteor trail.
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That's down to luck, I'm afraid.
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If you want to try your hand
at capturing the Perseids,
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check out our guide on The Sky At
Night website for my top tips.
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If you manage to get any photographs
of a Perseid meteor trail
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or even the perigee full moon,
we'd love to see them.
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Upload them
to our Sky At Night Flickr
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and we'll pick our favourites and
showcase them in next month's show.
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Since our last episode,
we have been receiving
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your amazing images of the sun
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and its incredible surface.
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Scientists from around the world
are waiting and listening
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for a message from aliens.
But in the meantime,
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others are already
making the first move.
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In 2017, Professor Doug Vakoch and
his fellow METI scientists
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worked with the EISCAT antenna,
in Norway,
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to send an interstellar message
in binary code.
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At METI, we identify
a couple of principles
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that we want to communicate -
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things like time,
things like radio signals -
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and then explain them
in great depth.
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We sent our message to a little
red dwarf star called Luyten's Star,
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12 light years from Earth.
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And it means, in 24 years,
we could get a message back.
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BEEPING
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But who should speak for Earth?
And what should they say?
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Vakoch's next appointment
is trying to figure this out.
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I'm excited to meet with Paul
because he may just have the answer
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to one of the biggest challenges
we face at METI -
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to create a message
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that is really, adequately
representative of humankind.
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This is Paul Quast.
He's a researcher on the council
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of a charity called the
Beyond the Earth foundation.
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I want to learn about this project
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that you've had going on
for a while.
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We are currently trialling
a project which we call
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The Companion Guide To Earth.
We're looking at
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this small physical time capsule
that we're hoping
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to attach with bolts
to a geosynchronous satellite.
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And who do you hope
will receive this?
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If extraterrestrials are coming to
Earth long after humans have left,
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What would posterity need to know
about here and now that might be
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of some benefit to them?
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Paul's Companion Guide To Earth
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is very different to previous
messages we've sent into space.
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A lot of the messages
that we've sent out have been
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greetings from Earth,
they have been shining portraits.
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What we're documenting is some
of the more left-out subjects
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that are of pertinent interest
for those people
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who will one day inherit this world.
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So how does the content
of your archive
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compare with the messages
that we've sent out into space?
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We've branched into
two different segments.
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One is "do not go"
and the other one is "need to know".
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So, in terms of "do not go" - things
like pollution histories and such.
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"Do not go to this
nuclear waste site."
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Ideally,
"Do not go dig up this ground.
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"Do not go into these landscapes
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"because there's still
some radioactive isotopes there."
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The "need to know" side of the guide
is slightly more positive.
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It includes information about
long-term science experiments
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that aliens or future humans
might want to continue.
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Another key component is an archive
of the messages
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we've sent to extraterrestrials
in the past.
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So, we sent out a message
to a nearby exoplanet.
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You have a case where it takes ten,
20, 100 years for a round trip
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of light to reach there and back.
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And how do we remember
what we even sent?
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Indeed. I've developed The
Profile Of Humanity Catalogue.
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It's documenting well over
70 signals.
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I'm impressed by what you're doing.
I don't know of anyone else
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who's taking this seriously. And if
I may, I would love to give you
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a copy of the message
that METI sent out in 2017.
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And so, here is the date
that we hope to get a reply back.
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It is the summer solstice in 2043.
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And there's one thing
you have to promise me, though,
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you're going to upload that,
because 20 years from now,
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no-one's going to be using a
thumb drive like that. Very true.
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Past messages we've sent out
have whitewashed human history.
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Paul emphasises, we need to talk
about some of the things
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we're not as proud of,
so we need to take the next step
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and explain something
about what makes us human.
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An increasing number of individuals
and organisations
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are getting excited about contacting
extraterrestrial intelligence.
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But many scientists,
including Stephen Hawking,
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have expressed their concerns.
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And I have to say
that I remain unconvinced.
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The idea of communicating
with aliens,
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of deliberately sending messages out
into the cosmos, is controversial.
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Some people think
it might be dangerous,
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that it might attract hostile
attention. Others, like me,
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think the universe is so vast
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that the odds of succeeding
have to be low.
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Before Doug heads back to the US,
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I've asked him for a chat
in one of our earthling cafes.
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Why do you want to talk to aliens?
Because, so far, we have been
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locked into just talking with
other human beings,
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so we really have a
narrow perspective on the world.
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To me, talking with aliens
is like going to another culture
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here on Earth. You learn
different ways of doing things,
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you have to call into question,
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my way of doing things
isn't the only way.
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So, why haven't we found this kind
of message
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from another civilisation?
Why are they so hard to find?
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That's been the hope of SETI,
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in fact, that maybe they've heard
we're here and now they're going
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to say, "Welcome to the galactic
club." Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My problem is, maybe
to get into the galactic club,
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you actually have to apply and
pay your dues. Right.
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So that's what we're doing with the
message. I mean, my big fear is that
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aliens are going to be
kind of like my cat.
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I mean, they know we're here,
they just really don't care.
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But there are these ideas around,
aren't there,
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particularly in recent science
fiction, you know, things like
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the idea of a dark forest
of a galaxy where you don't want to
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draw attention to yourself
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because there may be predators
lurking out there between the trees.
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Does that worry you?
I think it would be a nice illusion
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to think that somehow we can kind of
curl up and protect ourselves.
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Sorry, the cat's already
out of the bag.
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We have already been
blasting our existence into space
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by radio and TV signals
for the last century.
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And so, what do you think of those
efforts that have been made already
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to send messages out? For the most
part, they've been symbolic.
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NASA sent a message
to the North Star
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to celebrate its 50th anniversary,
Across The Universe.
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The Beatles song. The Beatles, yeah,
yes. But to really have a chance,
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we have to do it over and over and
over again, cos it's probably not
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going to be in the North Star
or any individual star.
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It could be that we have to transmit
to hundreds or thousands,
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maybe millions of stars.
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So, how do we anticipate
who we're talking to?
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How do we craft a message for
an unknown audience?
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What if they don't like The Beatles?
If they don't like The Beatles,
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we need to send them
some other stuff.
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I like the idea of a selection.
We can just do,
469
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,240
"Press one if you want to hear
greetings from humanity. Press two
470
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,840
"for a selection of music."
471
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,400
That's the enticement to get them
to send back again.
472
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,520
"Yes, we would be glad
to send you more of that.
473
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,600
"Send us some of your favourites."
474
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,880
But I think the biggest inhibition
is, are we willing to take the risk
475
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,640
of listening and listening and
waiting for century after century
476
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,840
and hearing absolutely nothing?
477
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,480
And I think we do, because what that
will tell us is, you know,
478
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440
all this time we've been looking
for an advanced civilisation,
479
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,720
someone that we can learn
something from,
480
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,160
but eventually we're going to
realise that, you know,
481
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,080
by doing this project
of transmitting and listening,
482
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,800
we've turned into the civilisation
483
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,600
we were looking for out
there all along.
484
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,440
For METI to make sense,
you need to believe in Doug's vision
485
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,800
of a galaxy filled with benevolent,
486
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,920
technologically advanced
civilisations just sitting out there
487
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,840
waiting for us to call them.
488
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,920
Personally, I don't know how likely
that is, but if they are out there,
489
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,240
it's good to think that there are
people here trying to talk to them.
490
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,120
That's all we've got time for
this month, but join us next month
491
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,320
when we'll be taking a deep dive
into black holes. Goodnight.
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