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Was 15 00:01:02,969 --> 00:01:04,637 Trying to find out who gave the 16 00:01:04,672 --> 00:01:06,406 New york times a copy of the 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,374 Pentagon's secret study... 18 00:01:08,409 --> 00:01:10,326 >> pow! Like a thunderclap, 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,727 You get the new york times 20 00:01:11,762 --> 00:01:13,563 Publishing the pentagon papers 21 00:01:13,597 --> 00:01:16,098 And the country is panicking. 22 00:01:16,132 --> 00:01:17,399 >> henry kissinger on tape: This 23 00:01:17,434 --> 00:01:18,301 Is an attack on the whole 24 00:01:18,335 --> 00:01:19,602 Integrity of government. 25 00:01:19,637 --> 00:01:21,638 If whole file cabinets can be 26 00:01:21,672 --> 00:01:23,005 Stolen and then made available 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,407 To the press, you can't have 28 00:01:24,441 --> 00:01:26,042 Orderly government anymore. 29 00:01:26,076 --> 00:01:28,044 >> a name has now come out 30 00:01:28,078 --> 00:01:29,395 As the possible source of the 31 00:01:29,429 --> 00:01:31,330 Times' pentagon documents. 32 00:01:31,364 --> 00:01:32,832 It is that of daniel ellsberg, 33 00:01:32,866 --> 00:01:34,600 A top policy analyst for the 34 00:01:34,634 --> 00:01:36,236 Defense and state departments. 35 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:37,437 >> richard nixon: I think it is 36 00:01:37,471 --> 00:01:39,672 Time in this country to quit 37 00:01:39,707 --> 00:01:41,741 Making national heroes out of 38 00:01:41,775 --> 00:01:44,360 Those who steal secrets and 39 00:01:44,394 --> 00:01:47,630 Publish them in the newspaper. 40 00:01:47,664 --> 00:01:48,731 >> in the first year of 41 00:01:48,765 --> 00:01:49,432 Marriage, we're talking 42 00:01:49,466 --> 00:01:50,633 About him going to prison 43 00:01:50,668 --> 00:01:59,842 For the rest of his life. 44 00:01:59,876 --> 00:02:01,744 >> we felt so strongly that we 45 00:02:01,778 --> 00:02:02,695 Were dealing with a national 46 00:02:02,729 --> 00:02:04,163 Security crisis. 47 00:02:04,465 --> 00:02:05,315 Henry kissinger said that 48 00:02:05,349 --> 00:02:06,649 Dr. Daniel ellsberg was the 49 00:02:06,684 --> 00:02:08,318 Most dangerous man in america 50 00:02:08,352 --> 00:02:10,587 And he had to be stopped. 51 00:02:10,621 --> 00:02:27,520 [�...] 52 00:02:27,554 --> 00:02:28,320 >> ellsberg narrating: On the 53 00:02:28,355 --> 00:02:30,790 Morning of August 4th, 1964, 54 00:02:30,824 --> 00:02:32,925 I began my first full-time 55 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,226 Employment in the pentagon, 56 00:02:34,261 --> 00:02:35,528 Working under secretary of 57 00:02:35,562 --> 00:02:39,032 Defense robert mcnamara. 58 00:02:39,066 --> 00:02:41,000 My very first day on the job, 59 00:02:41,035 --> 00:02:43,302 All hell broke loose. 60 00:02:43,336 --> 00:02:44,787 ...[interviewed]: A courier 61 00:02:44,821 --> 00:02:47,122 Came running in with a flash 62 00:02:47,156 --> 00:02:48,791 Cable saying that american 63 00:02:48,825 --> 00:02:50,893 Warships were under attack 64 00:02:50,927 --> 00:02:53,195 In the tonkin gulf off the coast 65 00:02:53,229 --> 00:02:54,997 Of north vietnam. 66 00:02:55,031 --> 00:02:56,783 And I was getting these because 67 00:02:56,817 --> 00:02:59,218 My boss was already down the 68 00:02:59,252 --> 00:03:01,187 Hall with mcnamara picking 69 00:03:01,221 --> 00:03:03,622 Targets to retaliate against, 70 00:03:03,657 --> 00:03:04,991 Against north vietnam. 71 00:03:05,025 --> 00:03:06,375 Minute after minute, 72 00:03:06,409 --> 00:03:07,643 More cables came in: 73 00:03:07,678 --> 00:03:08,778 "three torpedoes have been 74 00:03:08,812 --> 00:03:09,679 Fired... Seven... 75 00:03:09,713 --> 00:03:11,547 We are taking evasive action." 76 00:03:11,581 --> 00:03:14,634 At about 1:30 our time comes new 77 00:03:14,668 --> 00:03:16,202 Cable from the commodore of the 78 00:03:16,236 --> 00:03:18,054 Two ships: "hold everything," in 79 00:03:18,088 --> 00:03:20,622 Effect, "all previous reports of 80 00:03:20,657 --> 00:03:22,408 Torpedoes are in question." 81 00:03:22,442 --> 00:03:24,676 >> renewed hostile actions 82 00:03:24,711 --> 00:03:27,246 Against United States ships 83 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,647 On the high seas in the gulf 84 00:03:28,681 --> 00:03:33,151 Of tonkin have today required me 85 00:03:33,186 --> 00:03:35,254 To order the military forces 86 00:03:35,288 --> 00:03:37,423 Of the United States to take 87 00:03:37,457 --> 00:03:38,758 Action in reply. 88 00:03:38,792 --> 00:03:40,843 >> within days, it was 89 00:03:40,877 --> 00:03:42,111 Clearer and clearer that there 90 00:03:42,145 --> 00:03:43,479 Had been no attack. 91 00:03:43,514 --> 00:03:45,047 >> I shall immediately 92 00:03:45,081 --> 00:03:47,417 Request the congress 93 00:03:47,451 --> 00:03:49,452 To pass a resolution. 94 00:03:49,486 --> 00:03:51,187 [�...] 95 00:03:51,221 --> 00:03:51,921 >> ellsberg narrating: President 96 00:03:51,955 --> 00:03:53,022 Johnson was determined 97 00:03:53,056 --> 00:03:54,424 To prevent a communist victory 98 00:03:54,458 --> 00:03:56,058 In south vietnam. 99 00:03:56,092 --> 00:03:57,626 He twisted the facts of the 100 00:03:57,661 --> 00:03:59,395 Tonkin gulf incident to persuade 101 00:03:59,429 --> 00:04:00,963 Congress to give him unlimited 102 00:04:00,998 --> 00:04:04,316 Authority to use military force. 103 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:06,385 He then launched a war that 104 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:08,338 Would last another 11 years. 105 00:04:08,372 --> 00:04:09,472 >> ...By a number 106 00:04:09,506 --> 00:04:11,140 Of hostile vessels. 107 00:04:11,174 --> 00:04:12,975 [�...] 108 00:04:13,009 --> 00:04:13,843 >> man: Senator fulbright, 109 00:04:13,877 --> 00:04:15,378 You moved the tonkin resolution 110 00:04:15,412 --> 00:04:16,346 Through the senate. 111 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:17,179 Did you know anything 112 00:04:17,214 --> 00:04:18,013 About the... 113 00:04:18,048 --> 00:04:19,415 >> I accepted the story 114 00:04:19,450 --> 00:04:21,317 Given to us by the president and 115 00:04:21,352 --> 00:04:23,919 Mr. Mcnamara and mr. Rusk and, 116 00:04:23,954 --> 00:04:25,521 I believe, general wheeler. 117 00:04:25,556 --> 00:04:27,223 I had no reason at that time 118 00:04:27,257 --> 00:04:28,624 And under those circumstances 119 00:04:28,659 --> 00:04:30,560 To doubt the validity, 120 00:04:30,594 --> 00:04:31,728 The truthfulness of this 121 00:04:31,762 --> 00:04:32,662 Whole operation. 122 00:04:32,696 --> 00:04:36,232 >> we still seek no wider war. 123 00:04:36,266 --> 00:04:38,267 >> no wider war? 124 00:04:38,302 --> 00:04:40,102 As I found out day by day in the 125 00:04:40,136 --> 00:04:41,937 Pentagon, that was our highest 126 00:04:41,971 --> 00:04:45,474 Priority: Preparing a wider war 127 00:04:45,509 --> 00:04:46,975 Which we expected to take place 128 00:04:47,010 --> 00:04:49,111 Immediately after the election. 129 00:04:49,145 --> 00:04:50,445 >> johnson: It's a war 130 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,014 That I think ought to be fought 131 00:04:52,049 --> 00:04:53,615 By the boys of asia to help 132 00:04:53,650 --> 00:04:55,617 Protect their own land. 133 00:04:55,652 --> 00:04:57,887 And for that reason, I haven't 134 00:04:57,921 --> 00:05:00,455 Chosen to enlarge the war. 135 00:05:00,490 --> 00:05:02,057 >> and that was a conscious lie. 136 00:05:02,091 --> 00:05:03,959 We all knew that inside 137 00:05:03,994 --> 00:05:05,460 The government and not one 138 00:05:05,495 --> 00:05:07,229 Of us told the press 139 00:05:07,263 --> 00:05:08,931 Or the public or the electorate 140 00:05:08,965 --> 00:05:10,198 During that election. 141 00:05:10,233 --> 00:05:11,567 It was a well-kept secret 142 00:05:11,601 --> 00:05:13,201 By thousands and thousands 143 00:05:13,236 --> 00:05:17,773 Of people, including me. 144 00:05:17,807 --> 00:05:18,491 >> woman: Much has been written 145 00:05:18,525 --> 00:05:20,392 About the war in vietnam, but 146 00:05:20,427 --> 00:05:21,794 Little has made us understand 147 00:05:21,829 --> 00:05:23,395 What it is really like. 148 00:05:23,430 --> 00:05:24,897 My guest today, 149 00:05:24,932 --> 00:05:26,466 David halberstam... 150 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:27,567 ...I had a radio program 151 00:05:27,601 --> 00:05:28,968 That was syndicated 152 00:05:29,002 --> 00:05:30,736 Across the country. 153 00:05:30,771 --> 00:05:32,371 I was down in washington, d.C. 154 00:05:32,405 --> 00:05:34,006 At the time, doing interviews 155 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,374 Of congressmen and people 156 00:05:35,408 --> 00:05:36,742 In the government. 157 00:05:36,777 --> 00:05:37,860 And a mutual friend 158 00:05:37,894 --> 00:05:39,962 Had offered to host a party on 159 00:05:39,996 --> 00:05:43,065 My behalf, and he was inviting 160 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:45,034 His friends and he said, 161 00:05:45,068 --> 00:05:47,036 "there's one friend I'll invite, 162 00:05:47,070 --> 00:05:48,637 But stay away from him. 163 00:05:48,672 --> 00:05:51,073 He's brilliant but dangerous." 164 00:05:51,107 --> 00:05:52,841 Meaning that he was quite a 165 00:05:52,876 --> 00:05:53,943 Ladies' man, having just 166 00:05:53,977 --> 00:05:56,579 Recently gotten divorced. 167 00:05:56,613 --> 00:05:58,280 He rang the doorbell, 168 00:05:58,314 --> 00:05:59,682 And they were those sunken 169 00:05:59,716 --> 00:06:01,516 Lights from the ceiling, 170 00:06:01,551 --> 00:06:04,519 And they hit his blue eyes, 171 00:06:04,554 --> 00:06:06,789 And I just went... [gasps] 172 00:06:06,823 --> 00:06:07,990 Like this, he was so 173 00:06:08,024 --> 00:06:10,059 Handsome. [laughs] 174 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:10,559 >> ellsberg interviewed: I just 175 00:06:10,593 --> 00:06:11,761 Thought of her at that time 176 00:06:11,795 --> 00:06:13,562 As above my... 177 00:06:13,596 --> 00:06:16,031 Above my dating class. 178 00:06:16,066 --> 00:06:17,933 I worked every Saturday, 179 00:06:17,968 --> 00:06:19,868 A full day, that's 12 hours, 180 00:06:19,903 --> 00:06:23,038 And every Sunday, half a day. 181 00:06:23,073 --> 00:06:24,841 I did think of calling her up 182 00:06:24,875 --> 00:06:26,809 When I had my first day off 183 00:06:26,844 --> 00:06:27,743 From the pentagon. 184 00:06:27,778 --> 00:06:31,097 And, uh, said, "uh, I have 185 00:06:31,131 --> 00:06:33,299 Tomorrow off, and would you like 186 00:06:33,333 --> 00:06:34,901 To go see the cherry blossoms?" 187 00:06:34,935 --> 00:06:35,734 >> and I said, "no, 188 00:06:35,769 --> 00:06:36,769 I'm covering the peace rally 189 00:06:36,803 --> 00:06:37,970 For the radio program." 190 00:06:38,005 --> 00:06:39,171 >> "this is my first day off, 191 00:06:39,206 --> 00:06:40,606 I've been working on the war now 192 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,174 For 70 hours a week and you 193 00:06:42,209 --> 00:06:44,109 Can't really ask me to spend it 194 00:06:44,143 --> 00:06:45,411 At an anti-war rally." 195 00:06:45,445 --> 00:06:47,079 >> crowd chanting: No more war, 196 00:06:47,113 --> 00:06:48,714 No more war... 197 00:06:48,748 --> 00:06:49,648 >> ellsberg interviewed: We 198 00:06:49,683 --> 00:06:51,850 Marched around the white house. 199 00:06:51,884 --> 00:06:53,719 I was carrying her heavy tape 200 00:06:53,753 --> 00:06:54,853 Recorder, and I remember 201 00:06:54,887 --> 00:06:56,922 Thinking, "I hope this is 202 00:06:56,956 --> 00:06:59,157 Not a still photograph 203 00:06:59,192 --> 00:07:01,193 In the washington post tomorrow, 204 00:07:01,228 --> 00:07:02,728 'cause it's gonna be a little 205 00:07:02,762 --> 00:07:03,962 Hard to explain." 206 00:07:03,996 --> 00:07:06,198 >> and I bumped into some 207 00:07:06,233 --> 00:07:08,717 Friends, who were liberal, 208 00:07:08,751 --> 00:07:11,920 Radical friends, and the husband 209 00:07:11,954 --> 00:07:14,590 Said, "how can you be going out 210 00:07:14,624 --> 00:07:15,891 With somebody who's working on 211 00:07:15,925 --> 00:07:18,494 Vietnam in the pentagon?" 212 00:07:18,528 --> 00:07:18,960 [�...] 213 00:07:18,995 --> 00:07:20,897 [whoosh...] 214 00:07:20,931 --> 00:07:22,632 [explosions] 215 00:07:22,666 --> 00:07:23,633 >> ellsberg narrating: Early 216 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:26,202 1965, the vietnam war was 217 00:07:26,236 --> 00:07:28,036 About to expand and I was 218 00:07:28,071 --> 00:07:30,656 One of its planners. 219 00:07:30,690 --> 00:07:31,690 I had received orders 220 00:07:31,725 --> 00:07:33,191 From secretary of defense 221 00:07:33,226 --> 00:07:34,577 Robert mcnamara to gather 222 00:07:34,611 --> 00:07:36,211 Examples of atrocities 223 00:07:36,246 --> 00:07:38,046 Perpetrated by the viet cong. 224 00:07:38,081 --> 00:07:40,666 The secretary hoped such 225 00:07:40,701 --> 00:07:42,068 Intelligence would convince 226 00:07:42,052 --> 00:07:43,619 President johnson to launch a 227 00:07:43,654 --> 00:07:45,154 Systematic bombing campaign 228 00:07:45,188 --> 00:07:50,626 Against north vietnam. 229 00:07:50,661 --> 00:07:51,994 I had voiced my personal 230 00:07:52,029 --> 00:07:53,529 Opposition to the tactic of 231 00:07:53,564 --> 00:07:55,698 Bombing the north, but an order 232 00:07:55,732 --> 00:07:57,900 From mcnamara for fast action 233 00:07:57,935 --> 00:07:59,852 Was like an order from god. 234 00:07:59,886 --> 00:08:03,588 [�...] 235 00:08:03,623 --> 00:08:05,490 I had a whole staff in vietnam 236 00:08:05,525 --> 00:08:07,526 Collecting data for me. 237 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,128 I told the colonel on the other 238 00:08:09,162 --> 00:08:10,529 End of the hotline that it all 239 00:08:10,563 --> 00:08:11,931 Had to be in for the president 240 00:08:11,965 --> 00:08:14,867 By seven the next morning. 241 00:08:14,901 --> 00:08:16,368 I needed details of the 242 00:08:16,402 --> 00:08:17,937 Atrocities by the viet cong 243 00:08:17,971 --> 00:08:20,306 Anywhere in vietnam. 244 00:08:20,340 --> 00:08:22,474 Above all, I wanted gory details 245 00:08:22,508 --> 00:08:25,711 Of any injuries to americans. 246 00:08:25,745 --> 00:08:27,513 I told the colonel, 247 00:08:27,547 --> 00:08:29,148 "I need blood." 248 00:08:29,182 --> 00:08:31,484 [helicopter blades whirring, 249 00:08:31,518 --> 00:08:38,857 �...] 250 00:08:38,892 --> 00:08:42,111 >> man: In the early '60s, 251 00:08:42,145 --> 00:08:44,479 Dan ellsberg was a leading, 252 00:08:44,514 --> 00:08:46,681 If not the leading, uh, 253 00:08:46,716 --> 00:08:48,183 Young war thinker. 254 00:08:48,218 --> 00:08:49,451 >> man on loudspeaker: Channel 255 00:08:49,485 --> 00:08:50,919 6... Warhead... 256 00:08:50,954 --> 00:08:52,587 [continues indistinctly] 257 00:08:52,622 --> 00:08:54,322 >> the atomic bomb had changed 258 00:08:54,357 --> 00:08:57,926 So much and the military knew 259 00:08:57,961 --> 00:09:01,430 That they needed fresh thinking, 260 00:09:01,465 --> 00:09:03,732 And they established rand and 261 00:09:03,766 --> 00:09:05,334 Deliberately located it on the 262 00:09:05,368 --> 00:09:06,768 West coast of the United States 263 00:09:06,803 --> 00:09:08,337 So that it would be beyond the 264 00:09:08,371 --> 00:09:10,072 Reach of anybody in washington 265 00:09:10,107 --> 00:09:12,174 Who wanted to meddle in it. 266 00:09:12,209 --> 00:09:13,976 And essentially people were 267 00:09:14,010 --> 00:09:16,412 Encouraged to think new 268 00:09:16,446 --> 00:09:18,214 Thoughts, to think big. 269 00:09:18,248 --> 00:09:22,801 [�...] 270 00:09:22,836 --> 00:09:25,604 Dan really impressed people. 271 00:09:25,638 --> 00:09:27,473 Smart, imaginative, 272 00:09:27,507 --> 00:09:29,742 Good at technical reasoning, 273 00:09:29,776 --> 00:09:31,176 Good at logic... 274 00:09:31,210 --> 00:09:32,811 He could collect ideas 275 00:09:32,846 --> 00:09:34,480 From anywhere... He could read 276 00:09:34,514 --> 00:09:38,016 Short stories and get ideas. 277 00:09:38,050 --> 00:09:39,017 >> ellsberg narrating: My work 278 00:09:39,051 --> 00:09:40,519 At harvard was on decision 279 00:09:40,553 --> 00:09:42,755 Making under uncertainty. 280 00:09:42,789 --> 00:09:44,890 At the rand corporation, I was 281 00:09:44,924 --> 00:09:46,358 Studying the highest-stakes 282 00:09:46,393 --> 00:09:47,993 Hypothetical gamble in human 283 00:09:48,027 --> 00:09:50,362 History-- whether or not to 284 00:09:50,397 --> 00:09:51,864 Launch nuclear missiles on the 285 00:09:51,898 --> 00:09:53,799 Basis of ambiguous warning. 286 00:09:53,833 --> 00:09:56,602 [�...] 287 00:09:56,636 --> 00:09:58,237 >> schelling: He was focused 288 00:09:58,271 --> 00:10:00,839 On the question: "if you had to 289 00:10:00,873 --> 00:10:03,976 Go to war, how to do it in the 290 00:10:04,010 --> 00:10:06,312 Least dangerous way? 291 00:10:06,346 --> 00:10:07,579 Who would make the decisions, 292 00:10:07,613 --> 00:10:08,747 How would the decisions get 293 00:10:08,781 --> 00:10:11,333 Communicated and what were 294 00:10:11,367 --> 00:10:12,868 The options available 295 00:10:12,903 --> 00:10:14,085 To the president?" 296 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,874 [�...] 297 00:10:18,908 --> 00:10:19,542 >> ellsberg narrating: About 298 00:10:19,576 --> 00:10:21,277 Four a.M. I got what I was 299 00:10:21,311 --> 00:10:23,011 Looking for. 300 00:10:23,046 --> 00:10:24,597 The colonel told me, "we've just 301 00:10:24,631 --> 00:10:25,998 Gotten info that two american 302 00:10:26,032 --> 00:10:27,533 Advisors appeared to have been 303 00:10:27,567 --> 00:10:29,735 Captured and killed." 304 00:10:29,769 --> 00:10:31,770 I asked for graphic details 305 00:10:31,804 --> 00:10:34,573 To make it concrete, dramatic. 306 00:10:34,608 --> 00:10:36,242 The colonel told me that their 307 00:10:36,276 --> 00:10:37,776 Bodies showed signs of being 308 00:10:37,810 --> 00:10:40,412 Dragged, perhaps by chains. 309 00:10:40,447 --> 00:10:42,481 I said, "good, good, 310 00:10:42,516 --> 00:10:43,882 More like that. 311 00:10:43,916 --> 00:10:45,618 Wow, jesus, this is it! 312 00:10:45,652 --> 00:10:47,119 Anything else, anything like 313 00:10:47,154 --> 00:10:49,622 This anywhere else?" 314 00:10:49,656 --> 00:10:50,722 This was the only incident 315 00:10:50,757 --> 00:10:52,424 Of its kind they found. 316 00:10:52,459 --> 00:10:53,825 It may have been the only one 317 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:55,227 In the vietnam war up to that 318 00:10:55,262 --> 00:10:57,296 Point, involving americans. 319 00:10:57,330 --> 00:10:58,297 But one was enough 320 00:10:58,331 --> 00:11:00,666 For my report. 321 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:04,803 At 6:30 a.M., I wrapped it up. 322 00:11:04,837 --> 00:11:06,855 A little after 9:00, 323 00:11:06,890 --> 00:11:08,357 Mcnamara came back from the 324 00:11:08,391 --> 00:11:09,657 White house and told my boss 325 00:11:09,692 --> 00:11:11,811 To thank me for my input. 326 00:11:11,845 --> 00:11:14,180 It was exactly what he needed. 327 00:11:14,214 --> 00:11:22,521 [�...] 328 00:11:22,555 --> 00:11:23,755 ...[interviewed]: That's in fact 329 00:11:23,790 --> 00:11:25,291 The most shameful episode 330 00:11:25,325 --> 00:11:26,692 I can think of, that I really 331 00:11:26,726 --> 00:11:27,960 Did, at a critical moment, 332 00:11:27,994 --> 00:11:29,195 Help mcnamara persuade the 333 00:11:29,229 --> 00:11:31,363 President by information I gave 334 00:11:31,397 --> 00:11:34,399 Him that he should start a 335 00:11:34,434 --> 00:11:36,068 Systematic campaign of bombing, 336 00:11:36,102 --> 00:11:39,038 To which I was totally opposed. 337 00:11:39,072 --> 00:11:40,472 >> man: Dan ellsberg felt 338 00:11:40,506 --> 00:11:43,309 Everything with great intensity, 339 00:11:43,343 --> 00:11:46,177 But nothing more so than this 340 00:11:46,212 --> 00:11:47,546 Notion he had of his own 341 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:49,147 Culpability for everything 342 00:11:49,181 --> 00:11:51,783 He had done in the early years 343 00:11:51,818 --> 00:11:53,351 Of the war. 344 00:11:53,386 --> 00:11:56,905 [jet engines whining...] 345 00:11:56,940 --> 00:12:00,843 He had an important role in what 346 00:12:00,877 --> 00:12:04,263 Became the most ridiculously 347 00:12:04,297 --> 00:12:07,166 Disproportional bombing campaign 348 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,401 In the history of the world. 349 00:12:09,435 --> 00:12:11,587 [whooshing...] 350 00:12:11,621 --> 00:12:17,793 [explosion] 351 00:12:17,827 --> 00:12:22,097 [explosion] 352 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:30,522 [muffled explosions...] 353 00:12:30,556 --> 00:12:32,257 Dan was not some passive 354 00:12:32,292 --> 00:12:34,259 Bureaucratic participant in 355 00:12:34,294 --> 00:12:36,729 Vietnam; he was a true believer. 356 00:12:36,763 --> 00:12:37,930 >> ellsberg archival: I saw 357 00:12:37,964 --> 00:12:39,898 Our involvement in the context 358 00:12:39,933 --> 00:12:42,534 Of a worldwide conflict with 359 00:12:42,568 --> 00:12:45,437 Communism, uh, a cold war 360 00:12:45,471 --> 00:12:46,839 Perspective that I shared with 361 00:12:46,873 --> 00:12:48,140 Most of my fellow officials. 362 00:12:48,174 --> 00:12:50,642 >> vietnam, mu nam! 363 00:12:50,676 --> 00:12:52,778 [crowd cheers] 364 00:12:52,812 --> 00:12:54,679 Vietnam, mu nam! 365 00:12:54,714 --> 00:12:55,614 [crowd cheers] 366 00:12:55,648 --> 00:12:56,514 >> ellsberg interviewed: I 367 00:12:56,549 --> 00:12:57,616 Accepted the basic premises 368 00:12:57,650 --> 00:12:58,851 Within the government: That 369 00:12:58,885 --> 00:13:00,853 Being allied with america 370 00:13:00,887 --> 00:13:02,621 Was good for you, good for the 371 00:13:02,655 --> 00:13:04,123 Other people. 372 00:13:04,157 --> 00:13:05,224 And there was an idealistic 373 00:13:05,258 --> 00:13:07,159 Aspect to it. 374 00:13:07,193 --> 00:13:08,794 In vietnam, we were protecting, 375 00:13:08,828 --> 00:13:10,462 Supposedly, democracy, or the 376 00:13:10,496 --> 00:13:11,797 Possibility of democracy, 377 00:13:11,831 --> 00:13:14,532 Against a stalinist 378 00:13:14,567 --> 00:13:16,668 Dictatorship. 379 00:13:16,702 --> 00:13:21,540 [helicopter blades whirring] 380 00:13:21,574 --> 00:13:23,042 I didn't want to watch the war 381 00:13:23,076 --> 00:13:24,876 To which we were now committed, 382 00:13:24,911 --> 00:13:26,979 Back in washington; 383 00:13:27,013 --> 00:13:29,614 I wanted to be there. 384 00:13:29,649 --> 00:13:31,750 I'd learned in the marine corps 385 00:13:31,784 --> 00:13:33,785 That to know what's happening, 386 00:13:33,819 --> 00:13:34,953 You have to be up at 387 00:13:34,988 --> 00:13:36,488 The front line. 388 00:13:36,522 --> 00:13:41,877 [�...] 389 00:13:41,911 --> 00:13:42,744 ...[narrating]: At division 390 00:13:42,779 --> 00:13:44,012 Headquarters, they showed me 391 00:13:44,047 --> 00:13:45,547 A chart of hundreds of patrols 392 00:13:45,582 --> 00:13:46,615 Going out every night 393 00:13:46,649 --> 00:13:48,683 In their zone. 394 00:13:48,718 --> 00:13:50,419 I actually picked a patrol 395 00:13:50,453 --> 00:13:52,671 From the chart and it was 396 00:13:52,705 --> 00:13:54,106 At that point that the officer 397 00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:56,241 At battalion level informed me 398 00:13:56,275 --> 00:13:57,743 There were no patrols there, 399 00:13:57,777 --> 00:13:58,744 Anymore than in the rest 400 00:13:58,778 --> 00:14:00,478 Of the country. 401 00:14:00,513 --> 00:14:02,514 The chart was entirely a hoax, 402 00:14:02,548 --> 00:14:03,949 An illusion, like all the 403 00:14:03,983 --> 00:14:05,583 Optimistic statistics that had 404 00:14:05,618 --> 00:14:07,886 Been coming up for years. 405 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,320 There were no night patrols 406 00:14:09,355 --> 00:14:11,289 By our vietnamese forces. 407 00:14:11,323 --> 00:14:12,557 Only the viet cong 408 00:14:12,591 --> 00:14:13,959 Were out at night. 409 00:14:13,993 --> 00:14:20,165 They owned the country at night. 410 00:14:20,199 --> 00:14:20,666 [engines idling, 411 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:27,222 Horns honking...] 412 00:14:27,256 --> 00:14:28,189 >> patricia: We were 413 00:14:28,224 --> 00:14:29,324 Very much in love. 414 00:14:29,358 --> 00:14:30,892 >> � you're my dream come true � 415 00:14:30,926 --> 00:14:33,194 >> I joined dan in vietnam, 416 00:14:33,229 --> 00:14:34,129 And on that trip, 417 00:14:34,163 --> 00:14:35,464 He asked me to marry him. 418 00:14:35,498 --> 00:14:39,501 >> � ...And only... 419 00:14:39,535 --> 00:14:41,336 You... � 420 00:14:41,371 --> 00:14:43,171 >> � ah... � 421 00:14:43,205 --> 00:14:44,172 >> patricia: We went to this 422 00:14:44,206 --> 00:14:46,007 Party where this was this person 423 00:14:46,041 --> 00:14:47,242 Who had been in north vietnam 424 00:14:47,277 --> 00:14:48,677 And was describing the effects 425 00:14:48,711 --> 00:14:50,578 Of our bombing. 426 00:14:50,613 --> 00:14:53,481 It was a, just welling-up 427 00:14:53,516 --> 00:14:56,317 Of a kind of visceral disgust. 428 00:14:56,352 --> 00:14:57,218 >> ellsberg interviewed: And we 429 00:14:57,253 --> 00:14:58,153 Left the party. 430 00:14:58,187 --> 00:15:00,088 Patricia, who'd had some drink 431 00:15:00,123 --> 00:15:02,624 During it, said... 432 00:15:02,658 --> 00:15:04,692 >> "how can you be 433 00:15:04,727 --> 00:15:05,994 Part of this?" 434 00:15:06,028 --> 00:15:07,462 Because, in some ways, 435 00:15:07,497 --> 00:15:09,197 He was more part of it 436 00:15:09,232 --> 00:15:11,433 Than I think he realized. 437 00:15:11,467 --> 00:15:13,868 >> and I was thinking... [sighs] 438 00:15:13,902 --> 00:15:15,103 "I'm against the bombing, 439 00:15:15,138 --> 00:15:16,471 I'm trying to stop all the 440 00:15:16,506 --> 00:15:18,340 Bombing in south vietnam, 441 00:15:18,374 --> 00:15:19,608 Trying to do the best I can 442 00:15:19,642 --> 00:15:21,876 To moderate the killing, 443 00:15:21,911 --> 00:15:23,244 And I'm not getting any credit 444 00:15:23,279 --> 00:15:25,013 For that and she's holding me 445 00:15:25,047 --> 00:15:26,981 Responsible for the whole war." 446 00:15:27,016 --> 00:15:29,251 >> my accusation of dan, and I 447 00:15:29,285 --> 00:15:30,685 Think the passion with which it 448 00:15:30,719 --> 00:15:32,720 Came out, that really caused him 449 00:15:32,755 --> 00:15:34,623 To close off, because he was 450 00:15:34,657 --> 00:15:37,025 Saying, "I don't want to be with 451 00:15:37,059 --> 00:15:38,627 Somebody that is that critical 452 00:15:38,661 --> 00:15:40,328 Of me, that doesn't see that I'm 453 00:15:40,363 --> 00:15:41,963 Risking my life to try to stop 454 00:15:41,997 --> 00:15:43,265 The bombing and trying to bring 455 00:15:43,299 --> 00:15:44,900 Democracy to the country." 456 00:15:44,934 --> 00:15:47,435 But he was still buying into the 457 00:15:47,470 --> 00:15:49,304 Whole zeitgeist of that war. 458 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:50,405 The men were that his 459 00:15:50,439 --> 00:15:51,606 Colleagues, who tended to be 460 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,408 People in the state department, 461 00:15:53,442 --> 00:15:55,994 Were actually loving the whole 462 00:15:56,028 --> 00:15:58,529 Scene of the danger, the risk, 463 00:15:58,564 --> 00:16:00,982 The adventure, almost like being 464 00:16:01,016 --> 00:16:02,284 In a john wayne movie or 465 00:16:02,318 --> 00:16:03,351 Something like that. 466 00:16:03,386 --> 00:16:05,820 ["marines' hymn" playing...] 467 00:16:05,854 --> 00:16:06,454 >> ellsberg interviewed: I 468 00:16:06,489 --> 00:16:07,855 Think a lot of people want to 469 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:08,890 Join the marines to see 470 00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:09,991 If they're up to it. 471 00:16:10,025 --> 00:16:11,259 Never been able to throw 472 00:16:11,294 --> 00:16:12,760 A hardball, couldn't play 473 00:16:12,795 --> 00:16:13,628 With guns... 474 00:16:13,663 --> 00:16:16,898 I wanted to be a soldier, 475 00:16:16,932 --> 00:16:18,933 So the marines were a chance 476 00:16:18,967 --> 00:16:20,735 To do that. 477 00:16:20,769 --> 00:16:22,304 I think I was the only first 478 00:16:22,338 --> 00:16:23,538 Lieutenant in the 2nd marine 479 00:16:23,573 --> 00:16:24,739 Division to have a rifle 480 00:16:24,773 --> 00:16:27,041 Company and I loved being 481 00:16:27,076 --> 00:16:28,860 A company commander. 482 00:16:28,894 --> 00:16:30,128 Having the responsibility 483 00:16:30,163 --> 00:16:32,814 For 211 men, being totally 484 00:16:32,848 --> 00:16:34,633 In charge of their welfare 485 00:16:34,667 --> 00:16:36,268 And their training. 486 00:16:36,302 --> 00:16:37,536 That was the happiest period of 487 00:16:37,570 --> 00:16:39,171 My life, uh, professionally, 488 00:16:39,205 --> 00:16:41,706 Looking back on it, still is. 489 00:16:41,740 --> 00:16:47,812 [�...] 490 00:16:47,846 --> 00:16:49,614 >> patricia: I left and I could 491 00:16:49,649 --> 00:16:51,049 Tell he was withdrawn. 492 00:16:51,083 --> 00:16:52,617 His heart withdrew into a safe 493 00:16:52,652 --> 00:16:53,585 That I didn't have 494 00:16:53,619 --> 00:16:55,787 The combination to. 495 00:16:55,821 --> 00:16:57,689 >> so in my own mind, uh, 496 00:16:57,723 --> 00:16:59,224 This isn't gonna happen. 497 00:16:59,259 --> 00:17:00,892 How can I be married to somebody 498 00:17:00,926 --> 00:17:02,461 Who doesn't give me the benefit 499 00:17:02,495 --> 00:17:05,197 Of the doubt on this somehow? 500 00:17:05,231 --> 00:17:06,431 As far as I was concerned, 501 00:17:06,466 --> 00:17:09,168 The engagement was off. 502 00:17:09,202 --> 00:17:12,271 [automatic gunfire...] 503 00:17:12,305 --> 00:17:13,539 >> man: I first met ellsberg 504 00:17:13,573 --> 00:17:14,640 In the paddy fields 505 00:17:14,674 --> 00:17:16,175 Of the northern mekong delta 506 00:17:16,209 --> 00:17:18,577 In mid-1966. 507 00:17:18,611 --> 00:17:19,811 He had a schmeisser submachine 508 00:17:19,845 --> 00:17:21,780 Gun in his hand, he was dressed 509 00:17:21,814 --> 00:17:23,081 In fatigues, and he was 510 00:17:23,115 --> 00:17:24,365 Attempting to lead an american 511 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,200 Infantry company on an attack on 512 00:17:26,235 --> 00:17:28,303 A sniper position in a hamlet. 513 00:17:28,337 --> 00:17:30,171 Dan ellsberg then was very 514 00:17:30,205 --> 00:17:32,073 Hawkish and very eager. 515 00:17:32,107 --> 00:17:33,775 >> man: Was he then a marine? 516 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:34,509 >> no, he wasn't, 517 00:17:34,544 --> 00:17:35,811 He was a civilian. 518 00:17:35,845 --> 00:17:37,845 [talking over each other] 519 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,314 I asked him what the devil was 520 00:17:39,348 --> 00:17:40,649 He doing in the mekong delta 521 00:17:40,683 --> 00:17:41,816 With a schmeisser 522 00:17:41,850 --> 00:17:42,317 Machine-pistol. 523 00:17:42,351 --> 00:17:43,719 He said he had gone there to 524 00:17:43,753 --> 00:17:45,120 Look at how the war was going. 525 00:17:45,154 --> 00:17:46,121 He thought it wasn't going 526 00:17:46,155 --> 00:17:47,388 Very well and he wanted 527 00:17:47,423 --> 00:17:49,091 To see it go better. 528 00:17:49,125 --> 00:17:54,663 [�...] 529 00:17:54,697 --> 00:17:55,664 >> ellsberg narrating: I was 530 00:17:55,698 --> 00:17:56,732 Walking point with three other 531 00:17:56,766 --> 00:17:58,066 Men ahead of the main company 532 00:17:58,101 --> 00:18:00,802 So we could spot an ambush. 533 00:18:00,837 --> 00:18:02,054 [automatic gunfire...] 534 00:18:02,088 --> 00:18:04,489 We heard firing from behind us. 535 00:18:04,523 --> 00:18:06,257 Looking back, I saw two 536 00:18:06,292 --> 00:18:07,575 Viet cong in ragged shorts 537 00:18:07,610 --> 00:18:09,644 Firing ak-47s. 538 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:12,464 [gunfire...] 539 00:18:12,498 --> 00:18:13,798 ...[archival]: You'd get on that 540 00:18:13,833 --> 00:18:16,017 Position, there'd be no one 541 00:18:16,051 --> 00:18:17,953 There and then you'd be hit from 542 00:18:17,987 --> 00:18:19,271 Another clump, and I believe 543 00:18:19,305 --> 00:18:21,356 That bands were working us 544 00:18:21,390 --> 00:18:22,757 Essentially, alternately 545 00:18:22,792 --> 00:18:23,792 Leapfrogging each other. 546 00:18:23,826 --> 00:18:25,493 ...[narrating]: They must have 547 00:18:25,527 --> 00:18:26,694 Been lying in the water 548 00:18:26,729 --> 00:18:28,864 As we walked by and now they 549 00:18:28,898 --> 00:18:29,998 Were firing at the troops 550 00:18:30,032 --> 00:18:32,417 Following us. 551 00:18:32,452 --> 00:18:34,286 We couldn't fire at them 552 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,554 Because we'd be firing 553 00:18:35,588 --> 00:18:40,459 At our own troops. 554 00:18:40,493 --> 00:18:41,460 ...[archival]: Now in the course 555 00:18:41,494 --> 00:18:42,761 Of a day like that, 556 00:18:42,962 --> 00:18:45,497 You get a very great respect 557 00:18:45,531 --> 00:18:47,532 For these people who are in 558 00:18:47,566 --> 00:18:49,000 Effect running circles around 559 00:18:49,034 --> 00:18:53,471 An american battalion. 560 00:18:53,506 --> 00:18:55,457 I remember looking up at a 561 00:18:55,491 --> 00:18:57,659 Sergeant as we lay after about 562 00:18:57,693 --> 00:18:59,861 The 15th of these incidents 563 00:18:59,895 --> 00:19:01,563 And saying, "do you ever feel 564 00:19:01,597 --> 00:19:03,565 Like the redcoats?" 565 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:05,267 And he said, "yeah, I've been 566 00:19:05,301 --> 00:19:06,668 Thinking that all day." 567 00:19:06,702 --> 00:19:14,142 [�...] 568 00:19:14,177 --> 00:19:15,077 ...[narrating]: I was beginning 569 00:19:15,111 --> 00:19:16,744 To realize we couldn't beat this 570 00:19:16,779 --> 00:19:19,664 Enemy in their own backyard. 571 00:19:19,699 --> 00:19:24,085 We were not going to win. 572 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:25,387 These guys were not going to 573 00:19:25,421 --> 00:19:35,931 Give up. 574 00:19:35,965 --> 00:19:36,764 ...[interviewed]: On the way 575 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,133 Back, which was on mcnamara's 576 00:19:38,167 --> 00:19:39,401 Plane, I'd had the chance to 577 00:19:39,435 --> 00:19:40,802 Give him more than a hundred 578 00:19:40,836 --> 00:19:43,087 Single-spaced pages of my memos. 579 00:19:43,122 --> 00:19:44,256 He sat there and he hadn't 580 00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:45,290 Apparently brought a lot to 581 00:19:45,324 --> 00:19:46,057 Read. 582 00:19:46,091 --> 00:19:47,925 And I had the great bureaucratic 583 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,994 Pleasure of watching my superior 584 00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:52,063 Actually read my papers, and 585 00:19:52,097 --> 00:19:54,166 Not just toss them aside. 586 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,700 So he knew what I was thinking 587 00:19:55,734 --> 00:19:57,101 Very much about the stalemate 588 00:19:57,136 --> 00:20:00,104 In vietnam and the fact that 589 00:20:00,139 --> 00:20:02,240 Things weren't improving. 590 00:20:02,274 --> 00:20:03,441 Toward the end of the flight, 591 00:20:03,475 --> 00:20:04,976 He called me to the rear of 592 00:20:05,011 --> 00:20:06,711 The plane, "dan, I'm having 593 00:20:06,746 --> 00:20:07,746 An argument here. 594 00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:09,080 He says that things are 595 00:20:09,115 --> 00:20:10,348 Improving, that we're making 596 00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:11,416 Progress. 597 00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:13,184 And I say things are worse, 598 00:20:13,219 --> 00:20:14,785 Worse than they were a year ago. 599 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:15,953 You're the one who knows. 600 00:20:15,988 --> 00:20:17,955 What do you say the answer is?" 601 00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:19,441 Said, "well, mr. Secretary, 602 00:20:19,475 --> 00:20:21,342 I'm most impressed with how much 603 00:20:21,376 --> 00:20:23,010 The same things are than a year 604 00:20:23,045 --> 00:20:23,878 Ago." 605 00:20:23,913 --> 00:20:25,279 And he said, "you see, you see? 606 00:20:25,314 --> 00:20:26,448 That's exactly what I'm saying. 607 00:20:26,482 --> 00:20:27,782 We've put another hundred 608 00:20:27,817 --> 00:20:29,216 Thousand troops in there. 609 00:20:29,251 --> 00:20:30,785 Things are exactly, are no 610 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:31,986 Better, that means they're 611 00:20:32,020 --> 00:20:34,255 Really worse." 612 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:35,524 We were on the ground, 613 00:20:35,558 --> 00:20:37,326 And mcnamara was going out into 614 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,194 A foggy day and I was behind 615 00:20:39,228 --> 00:20:39,995 Him. 616 00:20:40,029 --> 00:20:41,029 >> robert mcnamara on tape: You 617 00:20:41,063 --> 00:20:42,063 Asked whether I was optimistic 618 00:20:42,098 --> 00:20:43,398 Or pessimistic. 619 00:20:43,432 --> 00:20:45,100 Today I can tell you that 620 00:20:45,134 --> 00:20:46,801 Military progress in the past 621 00:20:46,835 --> 00:20:48,403 12 months has exceeded our 622 00:20:48,437 --> 00:20:49,270 Expectations. 623 00:20:49,305 --> 00:20:51,072 >> he was saying, "gentlemen, 624 00:20:51,107 --> 00:20:52,707 I'm very encouraged by what 625 00:20:52,741 --> 00:20:53,541 I've seen in vietnam. 626 00:20:53,575 --> 00:20:54,876 In every respect things are 627 00:20:54,910 --> 00:20:55,843 Better now. 628 00:20:55,878 --> 00:20:56,777 That we're making progress, 629 00:20:56,812 --> 00:20:57,912 Everything is better. 630 00:20:57,946 --> 00:21:00,432 And I was thinking, "I hope I'm 631 00:21:00,466 --> 00:21:03,769 Never in a job where I have to 632 00:21:03,803 --> 00:21:09,007 Lie like that." 633 00:21:09,041 --> 00:21:09,908 ...[narrating]: I learned that 634 00:21:09,942 --> 00:21:11,410 Mcnamara's grave doubts about 635 00:21:11,444 --> 00:21:14,813 The war continued to deepen. 636 00:21:14,847 --> 00:21:16,415 Behind closed doors, he 637 00:21:16,449 --> 00:21:17,482 Recommended pulling back on 638 00:21:17,517 --> 00:21:18,517 The bombing and pushed for 639 00:21:18,551 --> 00:21:21,953 A political settlement. 640 00:21:21,987 --> 00:21:23,555 Johnson rejected mcnamara's 641 00:21:23,589 --> 00:21:25,924 Advice. 642 00:21:25,958 --> 00:21:27,859 >> mcnamara had a sense then, 643 00:21:27,894 --> 00:21:30,178 Very much like people have now, 644 00:21:30,212 --> 00:21:31,579 That this was a tragic blunder, 645 00:21:31,613 --> 00:21:33,247 That we were in the middle of 646 00:21:33,282 --> 00:21:34,549 A catastrophe. 647 00:21:34,583 --> 00:21:36,051 Uh, and that it was important to 648 00:21:36,085 --> 00:21:37,819 Try to understand how we had 649 00:21:37,853 --> 00:21:39,587 Gotten into that catastrophe. 650 00:21:39,621 --> 00:21:40,555 >> ellsberg narrating: In June 651 00:21:40,589 --> 00:21:43,291 Of 1967, mcnamara ordered 652 00:21:43,326 --> 00:21:44,525 A comprehensive study within 653 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,862 The pentagon on the history of 654 00:21:46,896 --> 00:21:49,397 U.S. Involvement in vietnam. 655 00:21:49,431 --> 00:21:50,431 >> we went to the rand 656 00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:51,933 Corporation and recruited the 657 00:21:51,968 --> 00:21:54,035 People there who did historical 658 00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:55,603 Studies and of course one of 659 00:21:55,637 --> 00:21:57,004 The people we asked was 660 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,306 Daniel ellsberg. 661 00:21:58,340 --> 00:21:59,140 >> ellsberg narrating: My 662 00:21:59,175 --> 00:22:00,308 Involvement in the study would 663 00:22:00,342 --> 00:22:02,277 Change my life, and change 664 00:22:02,311 --> 00:22:04,312 History in ways I couldn't have 665 00:22:04,346 --> 00:22:06,614 Imagined. 666 00:22:06,648 --> 00:22:07,549 >> mort halperin: We classified 667 00:22:07,583 --> 00:22:08,883 The pentagon papers study as 668 00:22:08,917 --> 00:22:10,585 Top secret, and every page of 669 00:22:10,619 --> 00:22:12,888 Every study is top secret 'cause 670 00:22:12,922 --> 00:22:14,555 We considered the existence of 671 00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:16,391 The study to be top secret, 672 00:22:16,425 --> 00:22:17,926 But the person we were trying to 673 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Keep it from was not 674 00:22:18,995 --> 00:22:20,461 The vietnamese-- who would not 675 00:22:20,496 --> 00:22:21,629 Have cared at all-- or 676 00:22:21,663 --> 00:22:23,265 The russians or the chinese, 677 00:22:23,299 --> 00:22:25,400 But lyndon johnson. 678 00:22:25,434 --> 00:22:27,268 We feared through the whole 679 00:22:27,303 --> 00:22:29,404 Study that if the president 680 00:22:29,438 --> 00:22:30,972 Found out about it, that he 681 00:22:31,006 --> 00:22:32,773 Would stop it, because johnson 682 00:22:32,808 --> 00:22:35,310 Knew that mcnamara had doubts 683 00:22:35,344 --> 00:22:37,112 About the war and believed that 684 00:22:37,146 --> 00:22:39,180 There were bands of civilians in 685 00:22:39,215 --> 00:22:41,349 The pentagon determined to do 686 00:22:41,384 --> 00:22:42,817 Everything they could to get us 687 00:22:42,851 --> 00:22:44,219 Out of vietnam. 688 00:22:44,253 --> 00:22:46,321 >> I don't want a man in here to 689 00:22:46,355 --> 00:22:49,457 Go back home thinking otherwise. 690 00:22:49,491 --> 00:22:52,693 We are going to win. 691 00:22:52,728 --> 00:22:58,299 [explosions, automatic gunfire] 692 00:22:58,333 --> 00:22:59,133 >> ellsberg narrating: But 693 00:22:59,167 --> 00:23:00,602 Johnson's optimism was about to 694 00:23:00,636 --> 00:23:04,172 Shatter. 695 00:23:04,206 --> 00:23:06,908 On vietnam's new year, 1968, 696 00:23:06,942 --> 00:23:09,110 A massive surprise attack caught 697 00:23:09,144 --> 00:23:10,679 U.S. Troops completely off 698 00:23:10,713 --> 00:23:15,984 Guard. 699 00:23:16,018 --> 00:23:17,168 For the first time, the war 700 00:23:17,202 --> 00:23:18,954 Reached into vietnam's cities 701 00:23:18,988 --> 00:23:23,624 And towns, including saigon. 702 00:23:23,659 --> 00:23:24,993 The tet offensive was a 703 00:23:25,027 --> 00:23:27,062 Devastating blow to u.S. Morale 704 00:23:27,096 --> 00:23:28,963 And the american public began to 705 00:23:28,998 --> 00:23:31,232 Lose faith in the war. 706 00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:32,183 >> mike wallace: With a bold 707 00:23:32,217 --> 00:23:33,384 Series of raids during the last 708 00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:35,069 Three days, the enemy in vietnam 709 00:23:35,104 --> 00:23:36,972 Has demolished the myth that 710 00:23:37,006 --> 00:23:38,172 Allied military strength 711 00:23:38,207 --> 00:23:40,074 Controls that country. 712 00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:41,442 The communists hit the very 713 00:23:41,477 --> 00:23:42,243 Heart of saigon... 714 00:23:42,277 --> 00:23:43,111 >> ellsberg narrating: When 715 00:23:43,145 --> 00:23:44,579 Johnson's top general asked for 716 00:23:44,614 --> 00:23:46,631 More troops, the request was 717 00:23:46,665 --> 00:23:49,500 Leaked to the new york times. 718 00:23:49,534 --> 00:23:50,635 The story caused a tremendous 719 00:23:50,669 --> 00:23:52,103 Uproar in congress. 720 00:23:52,138 --> 00:23:53,138 >> henry cabot lodge: I would 721 00:23:53,172 --> 00:23:54,605 Feel that our people were badly 722 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,423 Misguided and did not understand 723 00:23:56,458 --> 00:23:57,725 The consequences of such 724 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,659 A disaster. 725 00:23:58,694 --> 00:24:00,462 >> well, we agree on one thing: 726 00:24:00,496 --> 00:24:01,496 That they can be badly 727 00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:02,464 Misguided, and you and 728 00:24:02,498 --> 00:24:03,731 The president, in my judgment, 729 00:24:03,765 --> 00:24:05,000 Have been misguiding them for 730 00:24:05,034 --> 00:24:06,468 A long time in this war. 731 00:24:06,502 --> 00:24:07,702 >> I realize now that my 732 00:24:07,736 --> 00:24:09,437 Previous attitude had been 733 00:24:09,472 --> 00:24:11,239 Simply mistaken. 734 00:24:11,273 --> 00:24:13,141 That I wasn't discharging my 735 00:24:13,175 --> 00:24:15,710 Responsibilities to the country, 736 00:24:15,744 --> 00:24:18,046 To the constitution, uh, to 737 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,714 The public or to the troops, 738 00:24:19,748 --> 00:24:21,416 By keeping those secrets which 739 00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:23,051 Had led to the escalation of 740 00:24:23,085 --> 00:24:24,252 The war, that that had been 741 00:24:24,286 --> 00:24:24,986 Wrong. 742 00:24:25,021 --> 00:24:26,388 But the question was, what would 743 00:24:26,422 --> 00:24:28,956 Make a difference? 744 00:24:28,991 --> 00:24:29,790 ...[narrating]: I met with 745 00:24:29,825 --> 00:24:31,292 Reporter neil sheehan at 746 00:24:31,327 --> 00:24:32,560 The new york times and leaked 747 00:24:32,594 --> 00:24:34,129 Information about a secret 748 00:24:34,163 --> 00:24:35,696 C.I.A. Report on enemy troop 749 00:24:35,731 --> 00:24:39,034 Strength. 750 00:24:39,068 --> 00:24:41,469 The story made the front page. 751 00:24:41,504 --> 00:24:43,171 It was the first time I had gone 752 00:24:43,205 --> 00:24:45,006 Outside official channels to 753 00:24:45,041 --> 00:24:55,350 Affect the conduct of the war. 754 00:24:55,384 --> 00:25:07,628 [playing chopin...] 755 00:25:07,663 --> 00:25:08,796 >> judith ehrlich: Dan, when did 756 00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:10,731 You start playing the piano? 757 00:25:10,766 --> 00:25:12,233 >> oh, when I was five till 758 00:25:12,268 --> 00:25:13,401 I was about 15. 759 00:25:13,436 --> 00:25:14,436 >> ehrlich: And how serious were 760 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:15,403 You at the time? 761 00:25:15,438 --> 00:25:16,737 >> well, I spent all my time 762 00:25:16,772 --> 00:25:18,673 Playing then for 10 years and 763 00:25:18,707 --> 00:25:20,808 Then didn't play for another 40. 764 00:25:20,842 --> 00:25:21,576 [laughs] 765 00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:22,810 >> ehrlich: What happened? 766 00:25:22,844 --> 00:25:24,863 >> uh, my mother died, and she 767 00:25:24,897 --> 00:25:26,564 Was the one who wanted me to be 768 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,133 A concert pianist. 769 00:25:29,167 --> 00:25:33,437 On July 4th, 1946, we were 770 00:25:33,472 --> 00:25:35,507 Traveling to denver, going 771 00:25:35,541 --> 00:25:38,710 Through the cornfields of iowa, 772 00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:40,077 Very hot day, in the middle of 773 00:25:40,346 --> 00:25:41,229 The day, and my father 774 00:25:41,263 --> 00:25:43,114 Fell asleep at the wheel, 775 00:25:43,148 --> 00:25:45,399 And the car went off the road 776 00:25:45,434 --> 00:25:47,702 Into a culvert-- a wall rising 777 00:25:47,736 --> 00:25:49,303 By the side of the road, and 778 00:25:49,338 --> 00:25:50,839 Sheared off the side of the car 779 00:25:50,873 --> 00:25:52,239 Where my mother and sister were 780 00:25:52,274 --> 00:25:54,191 Sitting and killed my mother 781 00:25:54,226 --> 00:26:04,068 And sister. 782 00:26:04,102 --> 00:26:05,470 I was on the other side behind 783 00:26:05,504 --> 00:26:06,804 The driver, so I got 784 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,508 A concussion and a broken knee. 785 00:26:10,542 --> 00:26:13,110 And I was in a coma for 36 hours 786 00:26:13,144 --> 00:26:14,512 And then in the hospital for 787 00:26:14,546 --> 00:26:17,114 About 3-1/2 months. 788 00:26:17,148 --> 00:26:21,151 So, um, I think it did probably 789 00:26:21,186 --> 00:26:23,721 Leave, uh, the impression on me 790 00:26:23,756 --> 00:26:25,423 That, uh, someone you loved, 791 00:26:25,457 --> 00:26:27,091 Like my father, or respected, 792 00:26:27,125 --> 00:26:30,094 An authority, could fall asleep 793 00:26:30,128 --> 00:26:32,296 At the wheel, and, um, had to be 794 00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:34,164 Watched, not because they were 795 00:26:34,199 --> 00:26:36,734 Bad, but because they were 796 00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:38,469 Inattentive perhaps to 797 00:26:38,504 --> 00:26:39,737 The risks. 798 00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:44,758 [�...] 799 00:26:44,793 --> 00:26:46,160 11 months earlier, when I was 800 00:26:46,195 --> 00:26:48,162 14, hiroshima had been 801 00:26:48,197 --> 00:26:50,331 Destroyed, and nagasaki. 802 00:26:50,365 --> 00:26:52,133 I was very concerned about this 803 00:26:52,168 --> 00:26:53,784 Turn of human events. 804 00:26:53,819 --> 00:26:57,271 I thought it was very ominous. 805 00:26:57,306 --> 00:27:00,124 What I saw as a moral, extremely 806 00:27:00,158 --> 00:27:02,627 Questionable act by our 807 00:27:02,661 --> 00:27:03,795 President-- whom I admired, 808 00:27:03,829 --> 00:27:06,163 Harry truman-- got confounded in 809 00:27:06,197 --> 00:27:09,901 My mind with my father's failure 810 00:27:09,935 --> 00:27:11,669 To stay alert and allowing 811 00:27:11,703 --> 00:27:13,638 The car to kill my mother and 812 00:27:13,672 --> 00:27:17,875 Sister. 813 00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:21,178 >> I shall not seek... 814 00:27:21,212 --> 00:27:23,981 And I will not accept... 815 00:27:24,015 --> 00:27:25,716 The nomination of my party for 816 00:27:25,751 --> 00:27:27,919 Another term as your president. 817 00:27:27,953 --> 00:27:29,170 >> richard nixon: Never has so 818 00:27:29,205 --> 00:27:30,471 Much power been used so 819 00:27:30,505 --> 00:27:32,373 Ineffectively as in vietnam. 820 00:27:32,407 --> 00:27:33,307 >> ellsberg narrating: Support 821 00:27:33,342 --> 00:27:34,942 For the war was plummeting after 822 00:27:34,976 --> 00:27:36,927 Tet, and johnson withdrew from 823 00:27:36,962 --> 00:27:39,230 The 1968 presidential race. 824 00:27:39,265 --> 00:27:40,265 >> richard nixon: I pledge to 825 00:27:40,299 --> 00:27:42,333 You, we shall have an honorable 826 00:27:42,368 --> 00:27:44,835 End to the war in vietnam. 827 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:45,736 >> ellsberg narrating: Richard 828 00:27:45,771 --> 00:27:47,539 Nixon won the election promising 829 00:27:47,573 --> 00:27:49,374 Peace with honor. 830 00:27:49,408 --> 00:27:50,908 The public had been led to 831 00:27:50,942 --> 00:27:51,775 Believe that he had a secret 832 00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:55,546 Plan to end the war. 833 00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:56,580 ...Henry kissinger was then 834 00:27:56,614 --> 00:27:58,249 Talking about the need to get 835 00:27:58,283 --> 00:28:00,651 Out of vietnam with a decent 836 00:28:00,685 --> 00:28:01,485 Interval. 837 00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:02,736 Now that was quite a radical 838 00:28:02,771 --> 00:28:03,804 Point of view for an 839 00:28:03,838 --> 00:28:05,239 Establishment person at that 840 00:28:05,274 --> 00:28:05,973 Time. 841 00:28:06,007 --> 00:28:07,975 To say, we should be out and all 842 00:28:08,009 --> 00:28:09,377 We ask is that they not 843 00:28:09,411 --> 00:28:10,778 Embarrass us by taking it over 844 00:28:10,812 --> 00:28:12,380 Immediately. 845 00:28:12,414 --> 00:28:14,882 That led in me, but in nearly 846 00:28:14,916 --> 00:28:16,484 Everybody, to the false 847 00:28:16,518 --> 00:28:18,286 Impression that presumably nixon 848 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,753 Agreed with it. 849 00:28:19,788 --> 00:28:21,322 Nixon didn't agree with that 850 00:28:21,356 --> 00:28:22,723 For a minute. 851 00:28:22,757 --> 00:28:27,895 [�...] 852 00:28:27,929 --> 00:28:30,864 I had given a set of options to 853 00:28:30,899 --> 00:28:33,501 Kissinger I'd drafted at rand. 854 00:28:33,535 --> 00:28:34,802 Six or seven alternative 855 00:28:34,836 --> 00:28:36,704 Approaches in vietnam to 856 00:28:36,738 --> 00:28:38,172 Consider at his first national 857 00:28:38,207 --> 00:28:39,240 Security council meeting 858 00:28:39,274 --> 00:28:42,009 With nixon. 859 00:28:42,043 --> 00:28:44,278 And he at one point said, "dan, 860 00:28:44,313 --> 00:28:46,864 You don't have a 'win' option." 861 00:28:46,898 --> 00:28:48,699 And I said, "well, I don't think 862 00:28:48,733 --> 00:28:50,701 There is a 'win' option." 863 00:28:50,735 --> 00:28:51,769 I said, "you could double 864 00:28:51,803 --> 00:28:52,970 The number of troops and that 865 00:28:53,005 --> 00:28:53,871 Would keep things quieter, 866 00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:55,739 But until they left. 867 00:28:55,774 --> 00:28:57,574 You could use nuclear weapons 868 00:28:57,609 --> 00:28:58,943 And kill all the people. 869 00:28:58,977 --> 00:29:01,545 I wouldn't call that a win. 870 00:29:01,579 --> 00:29:03,314 So there just, as far as I see, 871 00:29:03,348 --> 00:29:07,418 Is no way to win." 872 00:29:07,452 --> 00:29:10,288 I took that opportunity to tell 873 00:29:10,322 --> 00:29:12,890 Him something that I'd long 874 00:29:12,924 --> 00:29:14,492 Thought of telling somebody who 875 00:29:14,526 --> 00:29:17,395 Was about to enter the world of 876 00:29:17,429 --> 00:29:21,266 Really high secrecy. 877 00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,033 And I said, "henry, you're about 878 00:29:23,068 --> 00:29:25,336 To get a lot of clearances 879 00:29:25,371 --> 00:29:27,639 Higher than top secret, that you 880 00:29:27,673 --> 00:29:29,741 Did not know existed. 881 00:29:29,775 --> 00:29:31,309 That's going to have a sequence 882 00:29:31,343 --> 00:29:33,378 Of effects on you. 883 00:29:33,412 --> 00:29:35,813 First, a great exhilaration that 884 00:29:35,847 --> 00:29:37,047 You're getting all this amazing 885 00:29:37,082 --> 00:29:38,349 Information that you didn't know 886 00:29:38,384 --> 00:29:39,884 Even existed. 887 00:29:39,918 --> 00:29:41,286 And the next phase is you'll 888 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,321 Feel like a fool for not having 889 00:29:43,355 --> 00:29:44,955 Known of any of this. 890 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:47,325 But that won't last long. 891 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,327 Very soon, you'll come to think 892 00:29:49,361 --> 00:29:51,629 That everyone else is foolish. 893 00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:52,830 'what would this expert be 894 00:29:52,864 --> 00:29:54,799 Telling me if he knew what 895 00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:57,402 I knew?' 896 00:29:57,436 --> 00:29:59,370 So in the end, you stop 897 00:29:59,405 --> 00:30:04,809 Listening to them." 898 00:30:04,843 --> 00:30:05,676 >> mort halperin: I think 899 00:30:05,711 --> 00:30:07,377 Everybody thought that nixon 900 00:30:07,412 --> 00:30:08,813 Had been elected to end the war 901 00:30:08,847 --> 00:30:10,081 And was gonna end the war. 902 00:30:10,115 --> 00:30:11,933 And it became very clear to me 903 00:30:11,967 --> 00:30:15,270 That, uh, he was not. 904 00:30:15,304 --> 00:30:16,371 >> ellsberg: Mort halperin was 905 00:30:16,405 --> 00:30:17,572 Working for kissinger in 906 00:30:17,606 --> 00:30:18,906 The white house. 907 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:21,058 In the late summer of '69, mort 908 00:30:21,093 --> 00:30:23,978 Told me, "he's staying in, and 909 00:30:24,012 --> 00:30:26,747 He's threatening escalation." 910 00:30:35,457 --> 00:30:44,582 [�...] 911 00:30:44,616 --> 00:30:45,516 >> ellsberg narrating: In August 912 00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:47,785 Of 1969, I read the earliest 913 00:30:47,819 --> 00:30:49,487 Parts of the mcnamara study 914 00:30:49,521 --> 00:30:52,957 For the first time. 915 00:30:52,992 --> 00:30:54,025 Seeing the war from its 916 00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:55,826 Beginning affected me more than 917 00:30:55,861 --> 00:30:57,862 I thought possible. 918 00:30:57,896 --> 00:30:59,363 It changed my whole sense of 919 00:30:59,397 --> 00:31:02,933 The legitimacy of the war. 920 00:31:02,968 --> 00:31:04,468 What I learned was that it was 921 00:31:04,502 --> 00:31:06,754 An american war from the start. 922 00:31:06,788 --> 00:31:07,905 President truman financed 923 00:31:07,939 --> 00:31:09,540 The french to retake its former 924 00:31:09,575 --> 00:31:12,376 Colony, even though he knew the 925 00:31:12,411 --> 00:31:13,411 French were fighting a national 926 00:31:13,712 --> 00:31:15,129 Movement that had the support of 927 00:31:15,163 --> 00:31:16,096 The people. 928 00:31:16,131 --> 00:31:17,632 >> the cost of defending 929 00:31:17,666 --> 00:31:19,901 Freedom, of defending america, 930 00:31:19,935 --> 00:31:22,437 Must be paid in many forms and 931 00:31:22,471 --> 00:31:23,504 In many places. 932 00:31:23,539 --> 00:31:24,505 >> ellsberg narrating: 933 00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:25,473 Eisenhower supported a brutal 934 00:31:25,507 --> 00:31:27,074 Dictator in canceling elections 935 00:31:27,108 --> 00:31:29,577 Called for by the 1954 geneva 936 00:31:29,945 --> 00:31:31,078 Accords. 937 00:31:31,113 --> 00:31:32,946 So we opposed elections while 938 00:31:32,981 --> 00:31:35,616 Pretending to support democracy. 939 00:31:35,650 --> 00:31:37,017 >> we are attempting to help 940 00:31:37,051 --> 00:31:38,419 Vietnam maintain its 941 00:31:38,453 --> 00:31:39,653 Independence and not fall 942 00:31:39,687 --> 00:31:40,521 Under the domination 943 00:31:40,555 --> 00:31:41,455 Of the communists. 944 00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:42,156 >> ellsberg narrating: Kennedy 945 00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:43,557 Lied to the public and to 946 00:31:43,592 --> 00:31:44,958 Congress, saying we would need 947 00:31:44,993 --> 00:31:46,994 Only advisors, even though his 948 00:31:47,028 --> 00:31:48,829 Own military experts told him 949 00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:50,531 That south vietnam would be lost 950 00:31:50,566 --> 00:31:52,032 Without an immediate commitment 951 00:31:52,067 --> 00:31:55,102 Of american combat units. 952 00:31:55,136 --> 00:31:58,038 >> we still seek no wider war. 953 00:31:58,073 --> 00:31:59,073 >> ellsberg narrating: I now saw 954 00:31:59,107 --> 00:32:00,207 That johnson was continuing 955 00:32:00,241 --> 00:32:02,977 A pattern of presidential lying. 956 00:32:03,011 --> 00:32:04,946 Each president wanted to avoid 957 00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:06,848 The stigma of losing indochina 958 00:32:06,882 --> 00:32:10,217 To communism on his watch. 959 00:32:10,251 --> 00:32:11,686 It wasn't that we were on 960 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,220 The wrong side. 961 00:32:13,254 --> 00:32:16,557 We were the wrong side. 962 00:32:16,592 --> 00:32:18,960 It was a crime from the start, 963 00:32:18,994 --> 00:32:20,795 Carried out by four presidents 964 00:32:20,829 --> 00:32:23,180 As revealed in this study. 965 00:32:23,214 --> 00:32:24,715 And now a fifth president was 966 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:26,216 Doing the same with no end 967 00:32:26,251 --> 00:32:30,220 In sight. 968 00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:31,456 The hundreds of thousands 969 00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:33,023 We were killing was unjustified 970 00:32:33,058 --> 00:32:35,726 Homicide, and I couldn't see 971 00:32:35,761 --> 00:32:37,528 The difference between that and 972 00:32:37,563 --> 00:32:40,481 Murder. 973 00:32:40,515 --> 00:32:48,055 Murder had to be stopped. 974 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:53,060 >> richard nixon on tape: 975 00:32:57,665 --> 00:33:03,771 >> henry kissinger on tape: 976 00:33:11,046 --> 00:33:12,146 >> janaki tschannerl: He came 977 00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,216 From an enormously powerful 978 00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:19,220 War-bureaucratic machine. 979 00:33:19,254 --> 00:33:23,707 And so his thinking came from 980 00:33:23,741 --> 00:33:28,312 The entrails of that machine. 981 00:33:28,346 --> 00:33:30,664 He had begun to question his own 982 00:33:30,699 --> 00:33:31,532 Past activities. 983 00:33:31,566 --> 00:33:32,733 You know, "what did I do? 984 00:33:32,768 --> 00:33:34,869 Where was I going, what is 985 00:33:34,903 --> 00:33:36,303 The meaning of that picture with 986 00:33:36,337 --> 00:33:42,610 The rifle in my hand?" 987 00:33:42,644 --> 00:33:43,544 >> ellsberg interviewed: I went 988 00:33:43,578 --> 00:33:45,312 To a conference to meet people 989 00:33:45,346 --> 00:33:47,448 Who were using non-violent 990 00:33:47,482 --> 00:33:51,585 Resistance in their lives. 991 00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:53,019 A friend of mine told me that 992 00:33:53,054 --> 00:33:54,755 He had been a trotskyist, 993 00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:56,624 A labor organizer. 994 00:33:56,658 --> 00:33:58,158 And I thought, how does one 995 00:33:58,192 --> 00:33:59,760 Come to be a trotskyist? 996 00:33:59,795 --> 00:34:00,961 He said, "oh, it's like anything 997 00:34:00,995 --> 00:34:02,930 Else, I met a girl." 998 00:34:02,964 --> 00:34:05,332 And it's the way it is. 999 00:34:05,366 --> 00:34:08,001 So, I met a girl from india 1000 00:34:08,036 --> 00:34:10,570 Who had been a gandhian. 1001 00:34:10,605 --> 00:34:12,006 I hear her saying to someone 1002 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,741 Else, at some point, "I come 1003 00:34:14,776 --> 00:34:16,277 From a culture in which we have 1004 00:34:16,311 --> 00:34:18,578 No concept of enemy." 1005 00:34:18,613 --> 00:34:20,014 And it seemed to me you could 1006 00:34:20,048 --> 00:34:21,315 No more do without the concept 1007 00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:22,683 Of enemy than without the 1008 00:34:22,717 --> 00:34:25,786 Concept of zero in arithmetic. 1009 00:34:25,821 --> 00:34:29,256 >> I read into his questioning, 1010 00:34:29,291 --> 00:34:31,591 A real wanting to know, 1011 00:34:31,626 --> 00:34:33,660 And a real wanting to know 1012 00:34:33,695 --> 00:34:36,263 Because he had seen certain 1013 00:34:36,298 --> 00:34:38,299 Things that he didn't like 1014 00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:40,367 And that he didn't want to have 1015 00:34:40,401 --> 00:34:42,669 Continued in the world. 1016 00:34:42,704 --> 00:34:45,005 And so that was the kind of link 1017 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,640 I think with what we were all 1018 00:34:46,674 --> 00:34:49,844 Trying to do. 1019 00:34:49,878 --> 00:34:50,777 >> ellsberg interviewed: I found 1020 00:34:50,812 --> 00:34:52,980 Myself handing out leaflets in 1021 00:34:53,014 --> 00:34:54,381 This long vigil line. 1022 00:34:54,415 --> 00:34:56,350 And at first, I simply felt 1023 00:34:56,384 --> 00:34:58,986 Ridiculous. 1024 00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:01,621 I felt that you could see 1025 00:35:01,656 --> 00:35:02,756 The words on my forehead 1026 00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:04,658 Practically: "what am I doing 1027 00:35:04,692 --> 00:35:05,659 Here?" 1028 00:35:05,693 --> 00:35:07,527 And "what is this about?" 1029 00:35:07,562 --> 00:35:08,963 I knew that if any of my 1030 00:35:08,997 --> 00:35:10,397 Colleagues at rand or 1031 00:35:10,431 --> 00:35:12,333 The pentagon were somehow to 1032 00:35:12,367 --> 00:35:14,634 Catch word of my doing this, 1033 00:35:14,669 --> 00:35:19,840 They would think I had gone mad. 1034 00:35:19,874 --> 00:35:21,642 Those that impressed me on 1035 00:35:21,676 --> 00:35:24,711 The importance of being willing 1036 00:35:24,746 --> 00:35:28,082 To pay a cost yourself were some 1037 00:35:28,116 --> 00:35:29,283 Young men who were going to 1038 00:35:29,317 --> 00:35:31,419 Prison by refusing to cooperate 1039 00:35:31,453 --> 00:35:33,287 With the draft. 1040 00:35:33,321 --> 00:35:35,956 One young man, randy kehler, 1041 00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:38,759 Was giving a talk. 1042 00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:41,762 >> within that crowd of people, 1043 00:35:42,064 --> 00:35:44,848 I was introduced to this fellow 1044 00:35:44,883 --> 00:35:47,017 From a background that didn't 1045 00:35:47,051 --> 00:35:48,352 Quite fit with the others... 1046 00:35:48,387 --> 00:35:50,721 [laughs] and that was dan. 1047 00:35:50,756 --> 00:35:52,156 >> and he talked very personally 1048 00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:53,991 About what had led him to leave 1049 00:35:54,025 --> 00:35:55,693 Stanford and join the war 1050 00:35:55,727 --> 00:35:57,194 Resister's league office. 1051 00:35:57,228 --> 00:35:59,330 >> if you can imagine a 1052 00:35:59,364 --> 00:36:04,402 25-year-old about to go to trial 1053 00:36:04,436 --> 00:36:06,737 Having been indicted on five 1054 00:36:06,772 --> 00:36:08,673 Counts, each one of which had a 1055 00:36:08,707 --> 00:36:12,042 Maximum sentence of five years. 1056 00:36:12,076 --> 00:36:13,443 >> and as he was telling this, 1057 00:36:13,478 --> 00:36:14,778 He said, "yesterday our friend 1058 00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:18,115 Bob went to jail," and his voice 1059 00:36:18,149 --> 00:36:20,350 Broke a little at this. 1060 00:36:20,385 --> 00:36:21,886 And then he said, "a week ago, 1061 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,687 David harris," who's the husband 1062 00:36:23,722 --> 00:36:27,124 Of joan baez, "went to prison." 1063 00:36:27,158 --> 00:36:28,458 And he said, "and I'm really 1064 00:36:28,493 --> 00:36:31,094 Happy that I'll be joining them. 1065 00:36:31,129 --> 00:36:32,112 But I'm not worried because 1066 00:36:32,146 --> 00:36:33,580 I know that the rest of you 1067 00:36:33,615 --> 00:36:36,483 Will be carrying on." 1068 00:36:36,518 --> 00:36:38,719 So by this time, everybody was 1069 00:36:38,753 --> 00:36:40,754 Standing and just clapping, 1070 00:36:40,789 --> 00:36:42,022 But-- and crying. 1071 00:36:42,056 --> 00:36:44,759 And I was crying. 1072 00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:47,227 And I left the auditorium and I 1073 00:36:47,262 --> 00:36:48,429 Found a men's room that was 1074 00:36:48,463 --> 00:36:51,031 Deserted, sat on the tile floor 1075 00:36:51,065 --> 00:36:53,167 Just sobbing, hysterically 1076 00:36:53,201 --> 00:36:54,968 Crying for just-- sobbing for 1077 00:36:55,003 --> 00:36:57,305 A long time, for over an hour. 1078 00:36:57,339 --> 00:36:58,372 And I had these various 1079 00:36:58,407 --> 00:37:01,141 Thoughts, but one of the 1080 00:37:01,176 --> 00:37:04,095 Thoughts was, "the best thing 1081 00:37:04,129 --> 00:37:07,331 That the best young men of our 1082 00:37:07,365 --> 00:37:11,468 Country can do is go to prison." 1083 00:37:11,503 --> 00:37:12,736 When I heard you say these 1084 00:37:12,771 --> 00:37:14,805 Words, "I'm going to prison," 1085 00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:17,140 It was as if an axe had split 1086 00:37:17,175 --> 00:37:18,809 My head. 1087 00:37:18,843 --> 00:37:21,779 But... [emotionally] 1088 00:37:21,813 --> 00:37:23,380 But what had really happened was 1089 00:37:23,414 --> 00:37:27,785 That my life had split in two. 1090 00:37:27,819 --> 00:37:29,453 And it was my life after 1091 00:37:29,487 --> 00:37:31,088 Those words that I've lived 1092 00:37:31,122 --> 00:37:39,262 Ever since. 1093 00:37:39,297 --> 00:37:41,999 ...And eventually, I got up 1094 00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:43,767 And washed my face, and then 1095 00:37:43,802 --> 00:37:45,903 I think I cried some more, 1096 00:37:45,937 --> 00:37:48,973 And then I thought, "o.K., now 1097 00:37:49,007 --> 00:37:50,507 What can I do to help end 1098 00:37:50,541 --> 00:37:53,477 This war, now that I'm ready to 1099 00:37:53,511 --> 00:37:54,478 Go to prison?" 1100 00:37:54,512 --> 00:37:55,512 [faint conversation 1101 00:37:55,546 --> 00:38:01,568 And laughter...] 1102 00:38:01,602 --> 00:38:02,435 ...This trick is called 1103 00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:07,507 The square circle. 1104 00:38:07,542 --> 00:38:16,283 Square... 1105 00:38:16,317 --> 00:38:17,317 >> tom oliphant: One of the 1106 00:38:17,351 --> 00:38:20,821 Things that stood out about dan 1107 00:38:20,855 --> 00:38:23,991 Was how severe dan's judgments 1108 00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:26,927 Were about himself. 1109 00:38:26,961 --> 00:38:29,063 More than most people I had met, 1110 00:38:29,097 --> 00:38:31,198 It seemed to me he was still, 1111 00:38:31,232 --> 00:38:33,867 As a relatively recent convert, 1112 00:38:33,902 --> 00:38:35,803 He was still sort of transfixed 1113 00:38:35,837 --> 00:38:37,938 By this question, "how could I 1114 00:38:37,972 --> 00:38:39,639 Have done what I did?" 1115 00:38:39,674 --> 00:38:41,391 >> ellsberg: O.K.? 1116 00:38:41,425 --> 00:38:42,726 >> oliphant: And slowly 1117 00:38:42,761 --> 00:38:44,928 He began filling in the blanks 1118 00:38:44,963 --> 00:38:48,298 Of this thing I had never 1119 00:38:48,332 --> 00:38:50,167 Heard of: "the study." 1120 00:38:50,201 --> 00:38:51,535 Now, I obviously didn't believe 1121 00:38:51,569 --> 00:38:54,371 In magic potions, but clearly he 1122 00:38:54,405 --> 00:38:56,406 Was referring to something that 1123 00:38:56,441 --> 00:38:58,408 Was so definitive that it was 1124 00:38:58,443 --> 00:39:07,684 Capable of changing your view. 1125 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,989 [�...] 1126 00:39:12,023 --> 00:39:13,456 >> man: Dan was headed toward 1127 00:39:13,491 --> 00:39:15,592 Walking through the door 1128 00:39:15,627 --> 00:39:17,794 Of being a radical, 1129 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:20,664 But he would always take half, 1130 00:39:20,698 --> 00:39:22,632 He would always go halfway. 1131 00:39:27,072 --> 00:39:29,707 Back at the rand corporation, 1132 00:39:29,741 --> 00:39:31,341 He sought me out. 1133 00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:32,977 He said he wanted me to brief 1134 00:39:33,011 --> 00:39:37,314 Him on intelligence in vietnam, 1135 00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:39,917 U.S. Military intelligence. 1136 00:39:39,951 --> 00:39:41,318 And so I said, "o.K., have 1137 00:39:41,353 --> 00:39:42,720 A seat." 1138 00:39:42,754 --> 00:39:43,987 ...All the vietnamese have ever 1139 00:39:44,022 --> 00:39:45,989 Wanted is self-determination, 1140 00:39:46,024 --> 00:39:46,957 Really. 1141 00:39:46,991 --> 00:39:47,758 >> ellsberg interviewed: He'd 1142 00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:49,226 Been in vietnam for a couple of 1143 00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:50,527 Years and had a much more 1144 00:39:50,561 --> 00:39:51,795 Radical view of the war than 1145 00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:53,697 I did at that point. 1146 00:39:53,732 --> 00:39:55,332 And I talked to him quite a bit 1147 00:39:55,366 --> 00:39:56,533 At rand and I liked him. 1148 00:39:56,567 --> 00:39:58,235 He's a very likeable person. 1149 00:39:58,269 --> 00:39:59,919 Very forthcoming, very funny, 1150 00:39:59,954 --> 00:40:01,488 Very, very smart. 1151 00:40:01,523 --> 00:40:02,689 >> he had sort of given up 1152 00:40:02,723 --> 00:40:05,292 All his old cohorts at the rand 1153 00:40:05,326 --> 00:40:08,061 Corporation and was hanging out 1154 00:40:08,095 --> 00:40:09,563 With me. 1155 00:40:09,597 --> 00:40:11,798 He was in my office every day. 1156 00:40:11,832 --> 00:40:13,433 And we'd go out to dinner 1157 00:40:13,468 --> 00:40:14,801 And we'd double date. 1158 00:40:14,835 --> 00:40:16,537 And people were buzzing about 1159 00:40:16,571 --> 00:40:18,605 It, because he had been one of 1160 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,107 The top dogs. 1161 00:40:21,142 --> 00:40:22,042 >> he did reports that 1162 00:40:22,076 --> 00:40:24,378 Ultimately got him fired, uh, 1163 00:40:24,412 --> 00:40:27,163 About torture and various other 1164 00:40:27,198 --> 00:40:29,899 Reports that they didn't like. 1165 00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:32,336 After he left rand, he talked 1166 00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:34,204 About lies in the studies he had 1167 00:40:34,238 --> 00:40:35,706 Done, lying that had gone on. 1168 00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:37,307 I said I knew of a study, 1169 00:40:37,341 --> 00:40:38,508 Had been reading a study that 1170 00:40:38,543 --> 00:40:41,478 Revealed very high-level lying. 1171 00:40:41,512 --> 00:40:42,379 >> I said, "dan, you should 1172 00:40:42,413 --> 00:40:44,147 Leak that to the press." 1173 00:40:44,181 --> 00:40:54,758 [�...] 1174 00:40:54,792 --> 00:40:55,492 >> ellsberg narrating: Keeping 1175 00:40:55,526 --> 00:40:57,093 Silent in public about what 1176 00:40:57,128 --> 00:40:58,729 I had read and heard made me 1177 00:40:58,763 --> 00:41:01,598 An accomplice. 1178 00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:03,133 It was not only they who had 1179 00:41:03,167 --> 00:41:05,034 Kept all these decisions quiet, 1180 00:41:05,069 --> 00:41:07,437 Hidden from the american public. 1181 00:41:07,472 --> 00:41:12,876 I had kept them quiet. 1182 00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:14,311 My motives, to be sure, were 1183 00:41:14,345 --> 00:41:16,813 Initially those of an observer, 1184 00:41:16,847 --> 00:41:18,315 A rand social scientist 1185 00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:19,783 Interested in understanding 1186 00:41:19,817 --> 00:41:21,184 The internal processes of 1187 00:41:21,218 --> 00:41:23,119 Government. 1188 00:41:23,154 --> 00:41:24,321 But my role was one of 1189 00:41:24,355 --> 00:41:26,456 A participant, even when I acted 1190 00:41:26,491 --> 00:41:29,192 As an internal critic. 1191 00:41:29,226 --> 00:41:30,960 Having expressed my objections, 1192 00:41:30,995 --> 00:41:34,164 I stayed in place, observed, 1193 00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:36,733 Took part-- in short, I did 1194 00:41:36,768 --> 00:41:43,039 The jobs assigned to me. 1195 00:41:43,073 --> 00:41:45,041 Henry david thoreau said, 1196 00:41:45,075 --> 00:41:47,577 "cast your whole vote, not 1197 00:41:47,612 --> 00:41:49,479 A strip of paper merely, 1198 00:41:49,514 --> 00:41:52,582 But your whole influence." 1199 00:41:52,617 --> 00:41:53,983 What if I were willing to give 1200 00:41:54,018 --> 00:41:55,852 Up my top secret clearance, 1201 00:41:55,886 --> 00:41:57,921 My career, my privileged access 1202 00:41:57,955 --> 00:42:00,590 To decision makers? 1203 00:42:00,625 --> 00:42:03,059 What if I gave all that up? 1204 00:42:03,093 --> 00:42:04,561 What if I were willing to risk 1205 00:42:04,595 --> 00:42:11,501 Prosecution? 1206 00:42:11,536 --> 00:42:12,336 ...[interviewed]: Then I thought 1207 00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:14,371 All right, I have in my safe 1208 00:42:14,405 --> 00:42:16,906 Thousands of pages of documents 1209 00:42:16,941 --> 00:42:21,345 That give the lie to this 1210 00:42:21,379 --> 00:42:22,612 Pattern of deception. 1211 00:42:22,647 --> 00:42:24,715 I'm not going to be part of this 1212 00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:28,768 System of lying anymore. 1213 00:42:28,803 --> 00:42:31,305 So, I went and saw tony, 1214 00:42:31,339 --> 00:42:32,739 And I said to him, "you know 1215 00:42:32,773 --> 00:42:34,575 That study I mentioned, I have 1216 00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:36,610 It and I'm ready to put it out, 1217 00:42:36,644 --> 00:42:38,312 I'm gonna put it out now. 1218 00:42:38,346 --> 00:42:39,413 Can you help me?" 1219 00:42:39,447 --> 00:42:40,847 >> "can you find 1220 00:42:40,882 --> 00:42:42,415 A xerox machine?" 1221 00:42:42,449 --> 00:42:43,250 I said, "I've got 1222 00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:45,218 The very place." 1223 00:42:45,253 --> 00:42:56,746 [�...] 1224 00:42:56,781 --> 00:42:57,747 >> ellsberg narrating: I began 1225 00:42:57,782 --> 00:42:59,733 Xeroxing the mcnamara study 1226 00:42:59,767 --> 00:43:05,038 In the fall of 1969. 1227 00:43:05,072 --> 00:43:06,239 At the end of the day, 1228 00:43:06,273 --> 00:43:07,674 Working at rand, I would put 1229 00:43:07,709 --> 00:43:08,942 Several volumes into my 1230 00:43:08,976 --> 00:43:12,612 Briefcase to take with me. 1231 00:43:12,647 --> 00:43:14,047 Walking past the security 1232 00:43:14,081 --> 00:43:16,016 Guards, I could feel my heart 1233 00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:17,985 Beating. 1234 00:43:18,019 --> 00:43:19,252 I couldn't help thinking about 1235 00:43:19,487 --> 00:43:20,620 The dozen or so secrecy 1236 00:43:20,655 --> 00:43:21,989 Agreements I had signed over 1237 00:43:22,023 --> 00:43:23,456 The course of my career in 1238 00:43:23,692 --> 00:43:26,994 Government. 1239 00:43:27,028 --> 00:43:29,997 The task seemed endless. 1240 00:43:30,031 --> 00:43:30,931 I often worked through 1241 00:43:30,965 --> 00:43:32,882 The night. 1242 00:43:32,917 --> 00:43:34,284 Early in the morning, I returned 1243 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:35,953 The papers to my safe at rand 1244 00:43:35,987 --> 00:43:40,307 And headed home. 1245 00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:41,141 ...[interviewed]: I'd get back 1246 00:43:41,176 --> 00:43:42,759 To my house on a little narrow 1247 00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:45,328 Beach in malibu. 1248 00:43:45,362 --> 00:43:47,263 I loved to bodysurf and I would 1249 00:43:47,298 --> 00:43:48,999 Go in every morning, uh, before 1250 00:43:49,033 --> 00:43:50,901 I went to bed. 1251 00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:52,903 And I remember at some point 1252 00:43:52,937 --> 00:43:56,139 During this, being in the waves, 1253 00:43:56,173 --> 00:43:58,041 In the sunlight, and looking 1254 00:43:58,076 --> 00:43:59,710 Back at the hills in malibu 1255 00:43:59,744 --> 00:44:02,195 And the waves which I loved, 1256 00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:03,997 And thinking, "how can I be 1257 00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,399 Doing this, how can I be giving 1258 00:44:05,433 --> 00:44:09,436 All this up?" 1259 00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:11,938 >> I was 13 at the time. 1260 00:44:11,972 --> 00:44:13,206 He said there was a secret 1261 00:44:13,241 --> 00:44:14,574 History of the vietnam war 1262 00:44:14,608 --> 00:44:15,608 That he'd been reading, 1263 00:44:15,643 --> 00:44:17,310 And he had a copy of this. 1264 00:44:17,345 --> 00:44:19,179 And he had decided that he 1265 00:44:19,213 --> 00:44:22,082 Wanted to make a copy of it and 1266 00:44:22,116 --> 00:44:23,517 Make it available to congress. 1267 00:44:23,551 --> 00:44:26,053 He described it in terms of 1268 00:44:26,087 --> 00:44:27,320 Civil disobedience. 1269 00:44:27,355 --> 00:44:28,588 Would I help him? 1270 00:44:28,622 --> 00:44:29,589 I didn't suppose that he 1271 00:44:29,623 --> 00:44:31,258 Literally needed my help, 1272 00:44:31,292 --> 00:44:32,259 But that this was something 1273 00:44:32,293 --> 00:44:34,444 Risky and very important to him. 1274 00:44:34,478 --> 00:44:36,546 And it was important to him that 1275 00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,715 I be a part of it some way. 1276 00:44:38,749 --> 00:44:39,917 And I think that very afternoon, 1277 00:44:39,951 --> 00:44:41,852 We began copying the pentagon 1278 00:44:41,886 --> 00:44:43,770 Papers. 1279 00:44:43,805 --> 00:44:44,437 >> ellsberg interviewed: The 1280 00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:45,872 Children were in-between on this 1281 00:44:45,907 --> 00:44:47,507 When I-- in a way that I didn't 1282 00:44:47,541 --> 00:44:48,809 Realize. 1283 00:44:48,843 --> 00:44:50,644 Their mother, my former wife, 1284 00:44:50,678 --> 00:44:52,178 Really thought that I'd done 1285 00:44:52,213 --> 00:44:54,113 Something very bad and had 1286 00:44:54,148 --> 00:44:56,450 Involved her children in it. 1287 00:44:56,484 --> 00:44:57,584 Whereas, my thought was that 1288 00:44:57,618 --> 00:44:59,653 I'd given them a chance to be in 1289 00:44:59,687 --> 00:45:05,642 On something quite historic. 1290 00:45:05,676 --> 00:45:07,044 Well, I didn't know when I'd be 1291 00:45:07,078 --> 00:45:08,245 Stopped, and I thought it would 1292 00:45:08,279 --> 00:45:09,612 Be within a matter of weeks, 1293 00:45:09,647 --> 00:45:11,014 And that I might never see my 1294 00:45:11,049 --> 00:45:12,782 Children again except through 1295 00:45:12,817 --> 00:45:15,719 Thick glass. 1296 00:45:15,753 --> 00:45:18,188 I wanted my son, who was 13, 1297 00:45:18,223 --> 00:45:21,091 To see that I was doing this 1298 00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:22,092 Because I thought it was 1299 00:45:22,126 --> 00:45:23,493 The right thing to do and doing 1300 00:45:23,527 --> 00:45:24,995 It in a straightforward manner, 1301 00:45:25,029 --> 00:45:26,696 That I hadn't gone crazy. 1302 00:45:26,731 --> 00:45:32,486 [�...] 1303 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,053 There was a night where mary, 1304 00:45:34,088 --> 00:45:35,589 My daughter, who was only 10, 1305 00:45:35,623 --> 00:45:36,590 Got into it. 1306 00:45:36,624 --> 00:45:37,557 She complained about being 1307 00:45:37,591 --> 00:45:40,426 Left in the car, so she came up. 1308 00:45:40,461 --> 00:45:42,996 So, I gave her a job to do. 1309 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:46,766 Tony was copying and robert was 1310 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,186 Collating and mary was cutting 1311 00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:50,887 "top secret" off the top and 1312 00:45:50,922 --> 00:45:52,789 Bottom of the pages. 1313 00:45:52,824 --> 00:45:54,024 >> just working away, when all 1314 00:45:54,058 --> 00:45:56,026 Of a sudden there was a knock 1315 00:45:56,060 --> 00:45:57,594 On the door. 1316 00:45:57,628 --> 00:45:58,328 >> ellsberg interviewed: There 1317 00:45:58,363 --> 00:45:59,579 Was a knock on the door, 1318 00:45:59,614 --> 00:46:01,381 The glass door next to me, and I 1319 00:46:01,416 --> 00:46:03,183 See two large blue-uniformed 1320 00:46:03,217 --> 00:46:04,317 Policemen. 1321 00:46:04,352 --> 00:46:05,952 >> and there was an l.A.P.D. 1322 00:46:05,986 --> 00:46:08,188 Standing there. 1323 00:46:08,222 --> 00:46:09,322 And I said to myself, 1324 00:46:09,357 --> 00:46:11,158 "these guys are really good." 1325 00:46:11,192 --> 00:46:12,492 >> so they saw this family 1326 00:46:12,527 --> 00:46:13,860 Scene, you know, of my 1327 00:46:13,894 --> 00:46:15,162 10-year-old daughter and 1328 00:46:15,196 --> 00:46:17,230 13-year-old son. 1329 00:46:17,265 --> 00:46:19,199 I sort of casually covered 1330 00:46:19,233 --> 00:46:21,100 The mach... I took the lid and I 1331 00:46:21,135 --> 00:46:23,570 Put it over the top secret stuff 1332 00:46:23,604 --> 00:46:25,639 On this and cleared up a little 1333 00:46:25,673 --> 00:46:27,307 And then opened the door. 1334 00:46:27,341 --> 00:46:28,308 >> uh, they said, "you know, 1335 00:46:28,342 --> 00:46:29,609 Your alarm's gone off again," 1336 00:46:29,643 --> 00:46:30,843 And he said, "oh, I'm sorry, 1337 00:46:30,878 --> 00:46:32,245 I gotta learn how to figure out 1338 00:46:32,279 --> 00:46:33,079 How to do that." 1339 00:46:33,114 --> 00:46:34,481 And they said, "o.K., you know, 1340 00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:35,115 Be more careful." 1341 00:46:35,149 --> 00:46:35,948 >> tony russo: I thought, 1342 00:46:35,983 --> 00:46:36,949 There was the guy looking 1343 00:46:36,984 --> 00:46:38,751 Through the window at me, 1344 00:46:38,785 --> 00:46:40,420 At the crime of the century, 1345 00:46:40,454 --> 00:46:43,089 "crime" in quotes, of course. 1346 00:46:43,124 --> 00:46:46,192 And, uh, didn't realize it, went 1347 00:46:46,227 --> 00:46:48,461 Right on, never realized it, 1348 00:46:48,496 --> 00:46:52,499 Never heard from him again. 1349 00:46:52,533 --> 00:47:00,340 [�...] 1350 00:47:00,374 --> 00:47:01,341 >> ellsberg narrating: The study 1351 00:47:01,375 --> 00:47:05,145 Was 47 volumes, 7,000 pages. 1352 00:47:05,179 --> 00:47:06,546 It would take me months of 1353 00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:11,751 Xeroxing. 1354 00:47:11,785 --> 00:47:15,255 I put my hopes in congress. 1355 00:47:15,289 --> 00:47:16,623 I took the papers to the most 1356 00:47:16,657 --> 00:47:19,492 Outspoken critics of the war. 1357 00:47:19,527 --> 00:47:20,627 Surely they would embrace these 1358 00:47:20,661 --> 00:47:21,878 Revelations and would want to 1359 00:47:21,912 --> 00:47:24,247 Make them public. 1360 00:47:24,282 --> 00:47:25,715 ...The people that I needed to 1361 00:47:25,749 --> 00:47:27,584 Talk or somehow to reach were 1362 00:47:27,618 --> 00:47:29,252 The ones who had been saying 1363 00:47:29,287 --> 00:47:30,453 They had been against the war 1364 00:47:30,488 --> 00:47:31,421 For years. 1365 00:47:31,455 --> 00:47:32,689 Years while I was supporting 1366 00:47:32,723 --> 00:47:34,757 The war, longer than me. 1367 00:47:34,792 --> 00:47:35,958 Who said that they saw through 1368 00:47:35,993 --> 00:47:37,360 The war, that they saw that it 1369 00:47:37,395 --> 00:47:38,628 Was wrong, and what I wanted 1370 00:47:38,663 --> 00:47:40,564 Them to do now, and what I still 1371 00:47:40,598 --> 00:47:41,964 Want them to do, and what they 1372 00:47:41,999 --> 00:47:45,435 Still can do, is to act. 1373 00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:47,270 ...[narrating]: But no one did. 1374 00:47:47,305 --> 00:47:48,405 Meanwhile the war was 1375 00:47:48,439 --> 00:47:50,807 Escalating. 1376 00:47:50,841 --> 00:47:51,774 Then I heard congressman 1377 00:47:51,809 --> 00:47:54,544 Pete mccloskey give a speech. 1378 00:47:54,578 --> 00:47:55,512 >> I said, "I think they're 1379 00:47:55,546 --> 00:47:56,513 Not telling us the truth 1380 00:47:56,547 --> 00:47:57,514 About vietnam," and I told 1381 00:47:57,548 --> 00:47:58,715 Some of the things I had 1382 00:47:58,749 --> 00:48:00,017 Just seen a month earlier. 1383 00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:01,218 >> ellsberg interviewed: He had 1384 00:48:01,252 --> 00:48:02,619 Come back and revealed 1385 00:48:02,653 --> 00:48:04,721 Information about the secret 1386 00:48:04,755 --> 00:48:06,323 Bombing of laos. 1387 00:48:06,357 --> 00:48:08,258 Here was a u.S. Representative 1388 00:48:08,292 --> 00:48:10,494 Using the word "lies." 1389 00:48:10,528 --> 00:48:11,695 So I thought, "all right, here's 1390 00:48:11,729 --> 00:48:14,163 A man with the guts then to use 1391 00:48:14,198 --> 00:48:15,832 Some documentation." 1392 00:48:15,867 --> 00:48:16,800 >> and somebody handed me 1393 00:48:16,834 --> 00:48:17,801 A note. 1394 00:48:17,835 --> 00:48:19,102 The note said, "you're right, 1395 00:48:19,136 --> 00:48:20,837 I have information that will 1396 00:48:20,872 --> 00:48:22,205 Document what you're saying." 1397 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,373 >> ellsberg interviewed: And he 1398 00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:24,624 Said he'd like to discuss it 1399 00:48:24,659 --> 00:48:26,058 With me but that he was shortly 1400 00:48:26,093 --> 00:48:27,794 Leaving and if I was willing to 1401 00:48:27,828 --> 00:48:29,529 Come with him, we could talk 1402 00:48:29,563 --> 00:48:31,230 About it on the way. 1403 00:48:31,265 --> 00:48:32,748 So to show how desperate I was 1404 00:48:32,783 --> 00:48:34,384 At this point, I was paying for 1405 00:48:34,418 --> 00:48:35,685 A trip to california just to 1406 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,438 Talk with this representative. 1407 00:48:38,472 --> 00:48:39,906 >> mccloskey: And he had a 1408 00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:41,474 Passion about him, an intensity, 1409 00:48:41,509 --> 00:48:43,009 I guess is the best way I'd 1410 00:48:43,043 --> 00:48:43,710 Describe it. 1411 00:48:43,744 --> 00:48:45,312 He didn't smile much. 1412 00:48:45,346 --> 00:48:46,513 He was deadly serious wanting me 1413 00:48:46,547 --> 00:48:49,015 To understand these documents. 1414 00:48:49,049 --> 00:48:50,367 >> I thought then and I think 1415 00:48:50,401 --> 00:48:53,136 More now than before, that 1416 00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:55,738 Documents had a power to be 1417 00:48:55,773 --> 00:48:57,240 Taken seriously and to attract 1418 00:48:57,275 --> 00:49:00,093 Attention that nothing else did. 1419 00:49:00,127 --> 00:49:00,927 >> mccloskey: I think all 1420 00:49:00,962 --> 00:49:02,329 Of us, knowing that they were 1421 00:49:02,363 --> 00:49:04,630 Top secret, were not sure what 1422 00:49:04,665 --> 00:49:05,882 Our rights were with respect to 1423 00:49:05,916 --> 00:49:08,117 Top secret documents. 1424 00:49:08,152 --> 00:49:09,152 But those papers were 1425 00:49:09,186 --> 00:49:11,755 A revelation and I testified in 1426 00:49:11,789 --> 00:49:13,056 Front of the fulbright committee 1427 00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:14,791 And afterwards I went up to him 1428 00:49:14,826 --> 00:49:15,658 And I said, "senator, I've got 1429 00:49:15,692 --> 00:49:17,059 A set of papers here that if 1430 00:49:17,094 --> 00:49:18,261 They were known to the public, 1431 00:49:18,295 --> 00:49:20,062 Would cause public opinion to 1432 00:49:20,097 --> 00:49:21,797 Turn against the war." 1433 00:49:21,832 --> 00:49:23,933 Well, he said, "yeah, I got 1434 00:49:23,967 --> 00:49:25,435 A set too." 1435 00:49:25,469 --> 00:49:26,586 >> man: There obviously 1436 00:49:26,621 --> 00:49:28,755 Was a kind of culture of 1437 00:49:28,789 --> 00:49:30,790 Timidity in congress, 1438 00:49:30,825 --> 00:49:34,227 A deference to the executive 1439 00:49:34,261 --> 00:49:36,763 Branch and a fear of being 1440 00:49:36,797 --> 00:49:38,631 Called unpatriotic. 1441 00:49:38,666 --> 00:49:41,000 A fear of being accused of 1442 00:49:41,034 --> 00:49:42,969 Revealing military secrets 1443 00:49:43,003 --> 00:49:44,136 And so on. 1444 00:49:44,171 --> 00:49:45,438 And that this culture was so 1445 00:49:45,473 --> 00:49:47,841 Strong that even senators and 1446 00:49:47,875 --> 00:49:48,842 Congressmen who were against 1447 00:49:48,876 --> 00:49:51,711 The war didn't want to do 1448 00:49:51,746 --> 00:49:53,212 Anything with the papers that 1449 00:49:53,247 --> 00:49:56,866 Dan ellsberg offered them. 1450 00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:01,821 [�...] 1451 00:50:01,855 --> 00:50:02,972 >> ellsberg interviewed: I had 1452 00:50:02,974 --> 00:50:04,090 Told my former wife 1453 00:50:04,124 --> 00:50:05,859 What I was doing. 1454 00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:07,727 She had told her stepmother, 1455 00:50:07,761 --> 00:50:09,429 Who had then told the f.B.I., 1456 00:50:09,463 --> 00:50:10,663 It turned out. 1457 00:50:10,698 --> 00:50:12,932 And the f.B.I. Then came 1458 00:50:12,966 --> 00:50:14,233 To harry rowen. 1459 00:50:14,268 --> 00:50:16,636 As president of rand, he had 1460 00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:18,154 Been involved in getting me 1461 00:50:18,189 --> 00:50:20,690 Access to the pentagon papers. 1462 00:50:20,724 --> 00:50:22,692 His impression at the time was 1463 00:50:22,726 --> 00:50:24,494 That I had not broken any law 1464 00:50:24,528 --> 00:50:27,197 If I had given it to the senate, 1465 00:50:27,231 --> 00:50:29,131 That they had a right to see it. 1466 00:50:29,166 --> 00:50:30,900 But I expected the f.B.I. 1467 00:50:30,934 --> 00:50:32,735 To come down on me very shortly 1468 00:50:32,769 --> 00:50:47,383 After that. 1469 00:50:47,418 --> 00:50:48,218 >> patricia: He had really 1470 00:50:48,252 --> 00:50:49,752 Radically changed in his view 1471 00:50:49,786 --> 00:50:51,521 Of the war, and I knew that, 1472 00:50:51,555 --> 00:50:54,307 I knew he'd changed. 1473 00:50:54,341 --> 00:50:56,008 In the first year of marriage, 1474 00:50:56,043 --> 00:50:57,209 We're talking about him going to 1475 00:50:57,244 --> 00:50:59,979 Prison for the rest of life. 1476 00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:01,247 He gave me a number of 1477 00:51:01,281 --> 00:51:03,115 The papers to read. 1478 00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:05,351 And as I was reading it, 1479 00:51:05,385 --> 00:51:09,456 I was horrified by the coldness, 1480 00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:11,758 The calculatedness, and in 1481 00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:13,827 Particular, the language of 1482 00:51:13,861 --> 00:51:15,094 The torturers. 1483 00:51:15,128 --> 00:51:18,498 There were quotes saying, 1484 00:51:18,532 --> 00:51:20,533 "we'll give the north vietnamese 1485 00:51:20,568 --> 00:51:22,902 One more turn of the screw." 1486 00:51:22,937 --> 00:51:24,938 Or "let's try the water drop 1487 00:51:24,972 --> 00:51:26,539 Technique." 1488 00:51:26,574 --> 00:51:27,540 And I was thinking, 1489 00:51:27,575 --> 00:51:28,875 "what is this? 1490 00:51:28,909 --> 00:51:30,309 How can the leaders of our 1491 00:51:30,344 --> 00:51:31,811 Country be talking in this 1492 00:51:31,846 --> 00:51:35,548 Language and then misleading 1493 00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,867 The american public?" 1494 00:51:37,901 --> 00:51:41,338 And then I just started to cry. 1495 00:51:41,372 --> 00:51:44,608 Because I knew that he really 1496 00:51:44,642 --> 00:51:47,110 Had to give them out. 1497 00:51:47,144 --> 00:51:48,528 And so there were tears in my 1498 00:51:48,563 --> 00:51:50,163 Eyes and I came out and I just 1499 00:51:50,198 --> 00:51:51,898 Said, "do it." 1500 00:51:51,932 --> 00:52:02,291 [�...] 1501 00:52:02,326 --> 00:52:03,493 >> man: I walked into this hotel 1502 00:52:03,527 --> 00:52:05,127 Room where he and I holed up, 1503 00:52:05,162 --> 00:52:07,414 And neil says, "rick, look at 1504 00:52:07,448 --> 00:52:09,416 What we've got!" 1505 00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:11,451 I mean, it was just staggering. 1506 00:52:11,485 --> 00:52:14,136 The raw, top secret, 1507 00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:15,338 Eyes-only documents. 1508 00:52:15,372 --> 00:52:17,507 From earle wheeler to general 1509 00:52:17,541 --> 00:52:18,975 Westmoreland, from johnson 1510 00:52:19,009 --> 00:52:20,076 To taylor. 1511 00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:21,444 You could go back and see, 1512 00:52:21,479 --> 00:52:23,847 Yes, kennedy did send in troops 1513 00:52:23,881 --> 00:52:25,582 In violation of the geneva 1514 00:52:25,616 --> 00:52:27,883 Accord, yes, johnson did start 1515 00:52:27,918 --> 00:52:29,452 The buildup before he said 1516 00:52:29,486 --> 00:52:30,303 He was going to. 1517 00:52:30,337 --> 00:52:32,305 I remember writing this story. 1518 00:52:32,339 --> 00:52:33,472 These guys were lying through 1519 00:52:33,507 --> 00:52:34,373 Their teeth when they were 1520 00:52:34,408 --> 00:52:36,075 Talking to us, and here it is 1521 00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:37,544 In black and white, there's no 1522 00:52:37,578 --> 00:52:39,913 Way of denying it! 1523 00:52:39,947 --> 00:52:40,713 >> man: The editors 1524 00:52:40,748 --> 00:52:42,348 Immediately understood that this 1525 00:52:42,382 --> 00:52:44,150 Thing was so sensitive and was 1526 00:52:44,184 --> 00:52:45,552 Going to have to be kept under 1527 00:52:45,586 --> 00:52:48,054 Wraps, and so they decided to 1528 00:52:48,088 --> 00:52:49,623 Move the whole thing out of 1529 00:52:49,657 --> 00:52:51,157 The new york times offices 1530 00:52:51,191 --> 00:52:53,609 And to go and rent a suite 1531 00:52:53,643 --> 00:52:55,811 At the hilton. 1532 00:52:55,846 --> 00:52:56,979 >> there were a lot of 1533 00:52:57,013 --> 00:52:58,214 Difficult, important decisions 1534 00:52:58,248 --> 00:53:00,483 To be made, and we needed to 1535 00:53:00,517 --> 00:53:02,318 Know the material in order to 1536 00:53:02,353 --> 00:53:03,653 Make those decisions, and that 1537 00:53:03,687 --> 00:53:04,787 Took time. 1538 00:53:04,822 --> 00:53:05,755 And ellsberg couldn't 1539 00:53:05,789 --> 00:53:07,557 Understand... [laughs] 1540 00:53:07,591 --> 00:53:08,625 Ellsberg was constantly 1541 00:53:08,659 --> 00:53:10,092 Pressing, he always wanted to 1542 00:53:10,127 --> 00:53:11,327 Know: When was the times gonna 1543 00:53:11,361 --> 00:53:11,928 Run this? 1544 00:53:11,962 --> 00:53:13,229 Was the times really gonna 1545 00:53:13,263 --> 00:53:13,963 Run this? 1546 00:53:13,998 --> 00:53:15,164 Was it really gonna be big? 1547 00:53:15,198 --> 00:53:16,900 When was it gonna happen? 1548 00:53:16,934 --> 00:53:18,434 >> as a source, I sort of 1549 00:53:18,468 --> 00:53:20,269 Thought of myself as being on 1550 00:53:20,303 --> 00:53:21,871 The team somehow, you know, 1551 00:53:21,906 --> 00:53:23,840 And that we were a joint first 1552 00:53:23,874 --> 00:53:26,175 Amendment, informing the public 1553 00:53:26,209 --> 00:53:27,844 Kind of mission and, uh, 1554 00:53:27,878 --> 00:53:30,046 You know, working together. 1555 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,714 They clearly didn't think of me 1556 00:53:31,749 --> 00:53:33,215 In that way. 1557 00:53:33,551 --> 00:53:34,467 >> once somebody gave us 1558 00:53:34,501 --> 00:53:36,269 Material, it was our job to 1559 00:53:36,303 --> 00:53:38,104 Determine what to do with it, 1560 00:53:38,139 --> 00:53:40,206 How to play it, what to use, 1561 00:53:40,241 --> 00:53:41,875 Whether or not to use it. 1562 00:53:41,909 --> 00:53:54,354 [�...] 1563 00:53:54,388 --> 00:53:56,255 >> zinn: May '71, 1564 00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:58,224 There was a planned 1565 00:53:58,258 --> 00:53:59,859 Demonstration in washington 1566 00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:01,494 For people to commit acts of 1567 00:54:01,528 --> 00:54:02,495 Civil disobedience-- 1568 00:54:02,529 --> 00:54:05,198 To block streets and to block 1569 00:54:05,232 --> 00:54:07,433 Bridges, to do everything 1570 00:54:07,468 --> 00:54:09,936 Possible to disrupt life in 1571 00:54:09,970 --> 00:54:12,138 Washington in order to 1572 00:54:12,173 --> 00:54:16,058 Demonstrate the anger against 1573 00:54:16,093 --> 00:54:18,127 The war. 1574 00:54:18,161 --> 00:54:19,662 In other words, the intensity of 1575 00:54:19,697 --> 00:54:22,766 Feeling about the war had grown. 1576 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,934 So a number of us gathered in 1577 00:54:24,968 --> 00:54:26,235 My apartment. 1578 00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:27,837 Noam chomsky and dan ellsberg 1579 00:54:27,872 --> 00:54:30,172 And I, we went to washington 1580 00:54:30,207 --> 00:54:32,208 And we formed ourselves as an 1581 00:54:32,242 --> 00:54:33,643 Affinity group. 1582 00:54:33,677 --> 00:54:35,412 And dan ellsberg was, you might 1583 00:54:35,446 --> 00:54:37,146 Say, our squad leader. 1584 00:54:37,415 --> 00:54:39,098 He took command and he was 1585 00:54:39,132 --> 00:54:40,300 Telling us when to get up 1586 00:54:40,334 --> 00:54:41,967 And when to sit down and when to 1587 00:54:42,002 --> 00:54:43,836 Move and where to move, and 1588 00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:46,506 He was very decisive and we 1589 00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:49,008 Followed his orders. 1590 00:54:49,042 --> 00:54:51,077 Not exactly a democratic 1591 00:54:51,111 --> 00:54:51,777 Situation. 1592 00:54:51,812 --> 00:54:53,879 [siren wailing] 1593 00:54:53,914 --> 00:54:56,282 We would sit down in the middle 1594 00:54:56,317 --> 00:54:58,385 Of the street, tear gas would be 1595 00:54:58,419 --> 00:55:00,687 Lobbed in our direction and we 1596 00:55:00,721 --> 00:55:05,040 Would, uh, run... [laughs] 1597 00:55:05,075 --> 00:55:07,476 The national guard was out and 1598 00:55:07,511 --> 00:55:10,146 The 101st airborne had descended 1599 00:55:10,180 --> 00:55:11,747 On washington. 1600 00:55:11,781 --> 00:55:14,717 The level of anti-war activity 1601 00:55:14,752 --> 00:55:16,152 Had been raised. 1602 00:55:16,186 --> 00:55:24,878 [�...] 1603 00:55:24,912 --> 00:55:25,979 >> smith: Should we do it, 1604 00:55:26,013 --> 00:55:27,046 Shouldn't we do it? 1605 00:55:27,081 --> 00:55:28,481 And neil and I, after we got 1606 00:55:28,515 --> 00:55:29,949 A feel for what was in there, 1607 00:55:29,984 --> 00:55:31,818 Argued that we could go ahead; 1608 00:55:31,852 --> 00:55:33,319 That this would not jeopardize 1609 00:55:33,353 --> 00:55:34,754 National security and indeed it 1610 00:55:34,788 --> 00:55:36,022 Was a public service. 1611 00:55:36,056 --> 00:55:37,890 >> all I knew was they had 1612 00:55:37,924 --> 00:55:39,858 A bunch of classified papers. 1613 00:55:39,893 --> 00:55:41,461 And the question for me 1614 00:55:41,495 --> 00:55:42,661 As a lawyer is, "can you 1615 00:55:42,696 --> 00:55:43,929 Publish classified papers?" 1616 00:55:43,964 --> 00:55:47,149 The law here is the statute 1617 00:55:47,184 --> 00:55:48,651 Called the espionage act. 1618 00:55:48,686 --> 00:55:50,186 And if you read it and 1619 00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:51,887 Stretched it and pushed it, 1620 00:55:51,921 --> 00:55:53,856 It was possible to apply it 1621 00:55:53,890 --> 00:55:55,158 To the publication of the 1622 00:55:55,192 --> 00:55:57,443 Pentagon papers. 1623 00:55:57,477 --> 00:55:58,277 >> smith: Now, we're sitting 1624 00:55:58,311 --> 00:55:59,579 There down in the engine room 1625 00:55:59,613 --> 00:56:01,246 Doing the work, we're not up at 1626 00:56:01,281 --> 00:56:02,481 The corporate hierarchy, but 1627 00:56:02,515 --> 00:56:04,367 We're hearing, we're hearing the 1628 00:56:04,401 --> 00:56:06,435 Battles going on up there, and 1629 00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:08,237 We hear that, of course the news 1630 00:56:08,271 --> 00:56:09,405 Comes to us because we're 1631 00:56:09,439 --> 00:56:11,073 At risk too, that the law firm 1632 00:56:11,108 --> 00:56:12,642 The times had used for decades 1633 00:56:12,676 --> 00:56:14,460 Said, "don't publish, and by 1634 00:56:14,494 --> 00:56:15,561 The way, you're all violating 1635 00:56:15,596 --> 00:56:16,596 The espionage act and you're 1636 00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:17,696 Gonna go to jail." 1637 00:56:17,731 --> 00:56:19,898 Believe me, we heard that. 1638 00:56:20,134 --> 00:56:22,168 And happily, jim goodale, 1639 00:56:22,202 --> 00:56:24,170 As the times' in-house attorney, 1640 00:56:24,204 --> 00:56:25,905 Took a different position. 1641 00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:27,840 >> the risk that the new york 1642 00:56:27,874 --> 00:56:30,476 Times took was a life-and-death 1643 00:56:30,511 --> 00:56:32,378 Risk of an institution. 1644 00:56:32,413 --> 00:56:34,180 And I don't mean the 5,000 1645 00:56:34,214 --> 00:56:35,714 People who worked for the times. 1646 00:56:35,749 --> 00:56:37,967 I mean, the leader 1647 00:56:38,001 --> 00:56:39,702 Of the institutional press 1648 00:56:39,736 --> 00:56:40,937 In a free country. 1649 00:56:40,971 --> 00:56:43,022 >> lurking in the backs of our 1650 00:56:43,056 --> 00:56:45,525 Minds was the fact that, um, 1651 00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:48,094 We would never survive, uh, 1652 00:56:48,128 --> 00:56:50,563 Just suppressing this material, 1653 00:56:50,598 --> 00:56:51,798 That, sooner or later, 1654 00:56:51,832 --> 00:56:53,766 It would be known that we had it 1655 00:56:53,801 --> 00:56:55,334 And that we had flinched and 1656 00:56:55,369 --> 00:56:56,769 That we had not published it, 1657 00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:58,337 And that that would have been 1658 00:56:58,372 --> 00:56:59,739 Such a disgrace. 1659 00:56:59,773 --> 00:57:01,657 >> and we heard the publisher 1660 00:57:01,691 --> 00:57:02,959 Wavered back and forth and then 1661 00:57:02,993 --> 00:57:05,128 Finally, about 10 days, 1662 00:57:05,162 --> 00:57:06,562 While we're gearing up 1663 00:57:06,596 --> 00:57:07,797 This enormous... What are we 1664 00:57:07,831 --> 00:57:09,098 Publishing, gone with the wind 1665 00:57:09,133 --> 00:57:10,699 Three times over in 10 days? 1666 00:57:10,734 --> 00:57:12,685 I mean, this was a huge project. 1667 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,820 Um, we finally hear the 1668 00:57:14,855 --> 00:57:16,122 Publisher had signed off and was 1669 00:57:16,156 --> 00:57:17,423 Gonna agree to do it. 1670 00:57:17,458 --> 00:57:19,825 And I remember that jimmy 1671 00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:20,993 Greenfield told us he was 1672 00:57:21,027 --> 00:57:22,928 Taking the publisher golfing 1673 00:57:22,962 --> 00:57:25,798 On Saturday, which was the 1674 00:57:25,832 --> 00:57:27,400 Day the presses ran, 1675 00:57:27,434 --> 00:57:28,668 To make sure the publisher 1676 00:57:28,702 --> 00:57:30,820 Didn't change his mind. 1677 00:57:30,854 --> 00:57:31,988 >> zinn: I guess it was 1678 00:57:32,022 --> 00:57:33,356 A Saturday night. 1679 00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:34,857 The four of us, dan and pat 1680 00:57:34,891 --> 00:57:36,692 Ellsberg and my wife, decided 1681 00:57:36,726 --> 00:57:38,394 We'd go to the movies to see a 1682 00:57:38,429 --> 00:57:39,462 Movie that dan ellsberg, I 1683 00:57:39,496 --> 00:57:41,064 Think, had seen seven times and 1684 00:57:41,098 --> 00:57:42,782 Wanted to see again: Butch 1685 00:57:42,816 --> 00:57:45,384 Cassidy and the sundance kid. 1686 00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:47,119 I could see that dan was 1687 00:57:47,154 --> 00:57:49,188 Agitated in some way 1688 00:57:49,222 --> 00:57:50,990 And I asked him what was going 1689 00:57:51,024 --> 00:57:53,759 On and he said he had called a 1690 00:57:53,793 --> 00:57:55,828 Friend on the new york times and 1691 00:57:55,863 --> 00:57:57,263 This friend of his said, "well, 1692 00:57:57,297 --> 00:57:59,098 I can't talk to you now, the 1693 00:57:59,132 --> 00:58:01,450 Times building is encircled by 1694 00:58:01,484 --> 00:58:03,819 Armed guards and the printing 1695 00:58:03,854 --> 00:58:06,889 Presses are rolling and we are 1696 00:58:06,923 --> 00:58:09,458 Printing tomorrow a top secret 1697 00:58:09,492 --> 00:58:11,127 Government document." 1698 00:58:11,161 --> 00:58:16,999 [�...] 1699 00:58:17,034 --> 00:58:19,168 >> this weekend, portions 1700 00:58:19,202 --> 00:58:20,269 Of a highly classified 1701 00:58:20,303 --> 00:58:22,171 Pentagon document came to light 1702 00:58:22,205 --> 00:58:23,639 For all the world to see 1703 00:58:23,674 --> 00:58:25,141 And brought cries of outrage 1704 00:58:25,175 --> 00:58:26,275 From washington. 1705 00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:27,943 >> the pentagon papers make it 1706 00:58:27,978 --> 00:58:29,645 Abundantly clear how little the 1707 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,480 Public knew of what was going on 1708 00:58:31,514 --> 00:58:32,882 Behind the scenes during... 1709 00:58:32,916 --> 00:58:34,383 >> its main effect is to refute 1710 00:58:34,417 --> 00:58:35,584 The notion that we stumbled 1711 00:58:35,618 --> 00:58:36,852 Into the war... 1712 00:58:36,887 --> 00:58:37,787 >> at the white house, 1713 00:58:37,821 --> 00:58:39,121 A spokesman said president nixon 1714 00:58:39,156 --> 00:58:40,690 Got his first look at the secret 1715 00:58:40,724 --> 00:58:42,224 Report when a copy was 1716 00:58:42,258 --> 00:58:43,993 Delivered to him today. 1717 00:58:44,027 --> 00:58:44,994 >> alexander haig on tape: This, 1718 00:58:45,028 --> 00:58:46,528 Uh, goddamn new york times 1719 00:58:46,563 --> 00:58:48,397 Expos� of the most highly 1720 00:58:48,431 --> 00:58:50,166 Classified documents of the war. 1721 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,233 >> nixon: You mean that, that 1722 00:58:51,267 --> 00:58:52,434 Was leaked out of the pentagon? 1723 00:58:52,468 --> 00:58:53,535 >> haig: Sir, this is a 1724 00:58:53,570 --> 00:58:54,904 Devastating security breach of 1725 00:58:54,938 --> 00:58:56,205 The greatest magnitude of 1726 00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:57,506 Anything I've ever seen. 1727 00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:59,008 >> nixon: Well, did we know this 1728 00:58:59,042 --> 00:58:59,975 Was coming out? 1729 00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:01,177 >> haig: No, we did not, sir. 1730 00:59:01,211 --> 00:59:02,178 >> nixon: I'd just start right 1731 00:59:02,212 --> 00:59:03,645 At the top and fire some people. 1732 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,580 I mean, whatever department 1733 00:59:04,614 --> 00:59:06,015 It came out of, I'd fire 1734 00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:06,816 The top guy. 1735 00:59:06,850 --> 00:59:08,951 >> mccloskey: The first issue 1736 00:59:08,986 --> 00:59:11,420 They ran had a paragraph from 1737 00:59:11,454 --> 00:59:12,721 The assistant secretary of 1738 00:59:12,756 --> 00:59:14,991 Defense to secretary mcnamara. 1739 00:59:15,025 --> 00:59:18,126 I can almost tell it by memory: 1740 00:59:18,161 --> 00:59:21,530 "we're in vietnam 10% to help 1741 00:59:21,565 --> 00:59:23,632 The south vietnamese, 20% to 1742 00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:26,502 Hold back the chinese, and 70% 1743 00:59:26,536 --> 00:59:27,770 To save american face." 1744 00:59:27,804 --> 00:59:30,873 Well, every woman in america 1745 00:59:30,907 --> 00:59:32,107 That had a boyfriend or a 1746 00:59:32,141 --> 00:59:33,141 Husband, they could take it 1747 00:59:33,176 --> 00:59:34,443 If we were defending the south 1748 00:59:34,478 --> 00:59:36,311 Vietnamese, but to learn we're 1749 00:59:36,346 --> 00:59:38,347 Just trying to save face, that 1750 00:59:38,382 --> 00:59:41,183 Is a thing that angers you. 1751 00:59:41,217 --> 00:59:43,185 [�...] 1752 00:59:43,219 --> 00:59:44,019 >> goodale: Monday was 1753 00:59:44,053 --> 00:59:45,187 A very interesting day. 1754 00:59:45,221 --> 00:59:46,589 I came back to the new york 1755 00:59:46,623 --> 00:59:48,156 Times, hustled on the elevator, 1756 00:59:48,191 --> 00:59:49,242 Went up to the top 1757 00:59:49,276 --> 00:59:50,776 Executive floor. 1758 00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:52,044 There was the biggest 1759 00:59:52,078 --> 00:59:52,911 Shouting argument 1760 00:59:52,946 --> 00:59:54,413 I ever heard in my life. 1761 00:59:54,448 --> 00:59:56,516 A telegram had come 1762 00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,050 From john mitchell, 1763 00:59:58,084 --> 01:00:00,019 Nixon's attorney general. 1764 01:00:00,053 --> 01:00:01,621 The telegram said, "we want you 1765 01:00:01,655 --> 01:00:04,723 To stop publication immediately, 1766 01:00:04,758 --> 01:00:05,958 And if you don't we're gonna 1767 01:00:05,992 --> 01:00:08,261 Take appropriate action." 1768 01:00:08,295 --> 01:00:09,662 I mean, what in god's name 1769 01:00:09,696 --> 01:00:11,264 Have we been fighting for in 1770 01:00:11,298 --> 01:00:13,232 This country for two or three 1771 01:00:13,267 --> 01:00:15,568 Hundred years to have the right 1772 01:00:15,602 --> 01:00:16,802 To speak and the right to 1773 01:00:16,836 --> 01:00:18,804 Publish, the right to think, 1774 01:00:18,838 --> 01:00:20,339 Against a threat by the 1775 01:00:20,374 --> 01:00:21,474 Government, if all we're gonna 1776 01:00:21,508 --> 01:00:23,108 Do is give it all up because 1777 01:00:23,143 --> 01:00:24,143 Someone sends you a telegram? 1778 01:00:40,661 --> 01:00:41,644 >> newscaster: A federal court 1779 01:00:41,678 --> 01:00:43,179 Has ordered the new york times 1780 01:00:43,213 --> 01:00:45,314 To stop publication temporarily. 1781 01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:47,216 The government asked for and got 1782 01:00:47,251 --> 01:00:49,785 An injunction against the times. 1783 01:00:49,819 --> 01:00:51,654 >> goodale: Before the nixon 1784 01:00:51,688 --> 01:00:53,055 Administration enjoined the new 1785 01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:54,974 York times, there had never 1786 01:00:55,008 --> 01:00:57,309 Been another injunction brought 1787 01:00:57,343 --> 01:00:59,178 Against a media company 1788 01:00:59,212 --> 01:01:00,746 In a federal court. 1789 01:01:00,781 --> 01:01:02,748 >> cronkite: A name has now come 1790 01:01:02,783 --> 01:01:04,316 Out as the possible source of 1791 01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:06,318 The times' pentagon documents. 1792 01:01:06,352 --> 01:01:08,054 It is that of daniel ellsberg, 1793 01:01:08,088 --> 01:01:10,222 40 years old, one-time marine, 1794 01:01:10,256 --> 01:01:11,791 Later a top policy analyst 1795 01:01:11,825 --> 01:01:12,892 For the defense and state 1796 01:01:12,926 --> 01:01:14,026 Departments during the 1797 01:01:14,061 --> 01:01:15,227 Vietnam buildup. 1798 01:01:15,261 --> 01:01:16,228 >> newscaster: There was no sign 1799 01:01:16,263 --> 01:01:17,796 Of professor ellsberg or his 1800 01:01:17,830 --> 01:01:19,231 Family at their home in 1801 01:01:19,266 --> 01:01:20,466 Cambridge, massachusetts. 1802 01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:21,767 >> patricia: And we're looking 1803 01:01:21,801 --> 01:01:23,969 On the television morning news, 1804 01:01:24,003 --> 01:01:26,505 And we notice that the f.B.I. 1805 01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:29,525 Is at our little apartment 1806 01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:31,460 In cambridge and we say, 1807 01:01:31,495 --> 01:01:32,795 "we can't go back." 1808 01:01:32,829 --> 01:01:34,597 We go to a motel for a couple 1809 01:01:34,631 --> 01:01:35,698 Of nights, under false names. 1810 01:01:35,732 --> 01:01:36,933 We don't have any clothes, 1811 01:01:36,967 --> 01:01:38,367 We don't have a toothbrush, 1812 01:01:38,401 --> 01:01:39,802 We don't have anything. 1813 01:01:39,837 --> 01:01:40,803 >> zinn: He knew they'd be 1814 01:01:40,838 --> 01:01:41,770 Looking for him. 1815 01:01:41,805 --> 01:01:42,721 He knew they'd be looking to 1816 01:01:42,755 --> 01:01:44,356 Arrest him, and he wanted to 1817 01:01:44,391 --> 01:01:47,359 Have an opportunity to give 1818 01:01:47,394 --> 01:01:50,062 The papers to more newspapers. 1819 01:01:50,097 --> 01:01:52,364 >> man: I came out of a 3:00 1820 01:01:52,399 --> 01:01:54,233 Meeting the day after the times 1821 01:01:54,268 --> 01:01:56,969 Had been enjoined and my deputy 1822 01:01:57,003 --> 01:01:57,936 Said, "maybe you better 1823 01:01:57,971 --> 01:02:00,038 Look at this." 1824 01:02:00,073 --> 01:02:02,324 I dialed a number and a voice 1825 01:02:02,359 --> 01:02:04,826 Said, "if I can get you what you 1826 01:02:04,861 --> 01:02:08,531 Want, will you print them?" 1827 01:02:08,565 --> 01:02:10,933 Uh, I said, "damn well 1828 01:02:10,967 --> 01:02:11,967 We'll print them." 1829 01:02:12,001 --> 01:02:13,118 >> newscaster: The post picked 1830 01:02:13,153 --> 01:02:14,720 Up the pentagon story where the 1831 01:02:14,755 --> 01:02:16,589 Times left off but was ordered 1832 01:02:16,623 --> 01:02:17,923 To halt its publication 1833 01:02:17,957 --> 01:02:19,124 Of the material in a court 1834 01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:21,294 Ruling last night. 1835 01:02:21,328 --> 01:02:22,261 >> ellsberg narrating: There was 1836 01:02:22,296 --> 01:02:23,862 No way of knowing when the new 1837 01:02:23,897 --> 01:02:25,431 York times and washington post 1838 01:02:25,465 --> 01:02:26,699 Could resume publication 1839 01:02:26,733 --> 01:02:29,234 Of the papers, if at all. 1840 01:02:29,269 --> 01:02:30,770 This could be the end, 1841 01:02:30,804 --> 01:02:32,237 Unless other newspapers were 1842 01:02:32,272 --> 01:02:36,275 Willing to defy the government. 1843 01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:37,542 I had heard that senator 1844 01:02:37,577 --> 01:02:38,978 Mike gravel would do 1845 01:02:39,012 --> 01:02:39,878 A daily filibuster 1846 01:02:39,913 --> 01:02:42,298 Until the draft expired. 1847 01:02:42,332 --> 01:02:43,665 >> I'm just chugging along 1848 01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:45,000 With my filibuster and I get 1849 01:02:45,035 --> 01:02:46,936 A phone call, and I don't know 1850 01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:47,970 Who it is. 1851 01:02:48,004 --> 01:02:48,871 He says immediately, 1852 01:02:48,905 --> 01:02:50,139 "is this senator gravel?" 1853 01:02:50,173 --> 01:02:51,607 I say, "yes, it is." 1854 01:02:51,641 --> 01:02:52,641 He says, "would you read 1855 01:02:52,675 --> 01:02:53,876 The pentagon papers as part 1856 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:54,744 Of your filibuster?" 1857 01:02:54,778 --> 01:02:55,611 I said, "yes. 1858 01:02:55,645 --> 01:02:56,812 Now please hang up." 1859 01:02:56,847 --> 01:02:58,547 >> as I put it to him over the 1860 01:02:58,581 --> 01:03:00,283 Phone, "if you're really gonna 1861 01:03:00,317 --> 01:03:02,218 Do a filibuster, I can give you 1862 01:03:02,252 --> 01:03:03,886 Material that'll keep you busy 1863 01:03:03,921 --> 01:03:05,621 Reading until christmas." 1864 01:03:05,655 --> 01:03:06,855 >> the person who physically 1865 01:03:06,890 --> 01:03:07,757 Gave me the papers 1866 01:03:07,791 --> 01:03:09,024 Was ben bagdikian. 1867 01:03:09,058 --> 01:03:09,925 He was the editor 1868 01:03:09,959 --> 01:03:11,260 At the washington post. 1869 01:03:11,295 --> 01:03:13,529 >> he's a junior senator and 1870 01:03:13,563 --> 01:03:15,298 He's from alaska, and that 1871 01:03:15,332 --> 01:03:17,199 Doesn't carry much weight. 1872 01:03:17,233 --> 01:03:20,736 So he was, I think, chair of the 1873 01:03:20,771 --> 01:03:23,372 Building and grounds committee. 1874 01:03:23,407 --> 01:03:25,808 >> gravel: So we meet and I want 1875 01:03:25,842 --> 01:03:26,942 To be a little secretive, 1876 01:03:26,976 --> 01:03:28,110 So we're meeting outside the 1877 01:03:28,144 --> 01:03:29,612 Senate chambers in the columns 1878 01:03:29,646 --> 01:03:31,013 Next to the capitol. 1879 01:03:31,047 --> 01:03:32,247 Lo and behold, bob dole 1880 01:03:32,282 --> 01:03:33,749 Comes up, and dole sees me 1881 01:03:33,784 --> 01:03:34,950 And he has something to say 1882 01:03:34,984 --> 01:03:36,185 To me, so he comes over. 1883 01:03:36,219 --> 01:03:37,520 So ben slips behind the column 1884 01:03:37,554 --> 01:03:39,188 And I try to dismiss dole 1885 01:03:39,222 --> 01:03:40,222 Real quick. 1886 01:03:40,256 --> 01:03:41,624 And then I go back to ben. 1887 01:03:41,658 --> 01:03:43,192 He's gonna get the papers to me 1888 01:03:43,226 --> 01:03:45,328 In some faraway dark corner of 1889 01:03:45,362 --> 01:03:46,495 Maybe rock creek park. 1890 01:03:46,530 --> 01:03:48,063 I say, "ben, that's not the way 1891 01:03:48,097 --> 01:03:49,264 We're gonna do it. 1892 01:03:49,299 --> 01:03:50,866 At midnight..." [bell dings] 1893 01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:52,067 "under the marquee of the 1894 01:03:52,101 --> 01:03:54,670 Mayflower hotel, you will park 1895 01:03:54,705 --> 01:03:57,072 Your car there, I will come up 1896 01:03:57,106 --> 01:04:00,042 Next with my car, I'll get out, 1897 01:04:00,076 --> 01:04:01,477 You open the trunk of your car, 1898 01:04:01,511 --> 01:04:02,545 And I'll open the trunk 1899 01:04:02,579 --> 01:04:03,779 Of my car." 1900 01:04:03,814 --> 01:04:05,748 >> bagdikian: I drive down in my 1901 01:04:05,782 --> 01:04:08,083 Karmann ghia and he's got a 1902 01:04:08,117 --> 01:04:09,318 Couple of aides there and I 1903 01:04:09,353 --> 01:04:10,586 Said, "this is heavy, you may 1904 01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:12,588 Want your aides to carry it." 1905 01:04:12,622 --> 01:04:14,957 He said, "no, I have immunity 1906 01:04:14,991 --> 01:04:16,258 And they don't." 1907 01:04:16,292 --> 01:04:17,159 >> gravel: We transfer the 1908 01:04:17,193 --> 01:04:18,794 Papers to me just like that 1909 01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:20,996 In seconds and I speed away. 1910 01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:23,733 [�...] 1911 01:04:23,767 --> 01:04:24,667 >> ellsberg narrating: While I 1912 01:04:24,701 --> 01:04:25,801 Was still underground, 1913 01:04:25,836 --> 01:04:27,336 I was contacted by the most 1914 01:04:27,371 --> 01:04:30,038 Trusted man in america. 1915 01:04:30,073 --> 01:04:31,440 >> cronkite: Good evening. 1916 01:04:31,475 --> 01:04:33,141 Daniel ellsberg, a former 1917 01:04:33,176 --> 01:04:34,577 State department and pentagon 1918 01:04:34,611 --> 01:04:36,111 Planner and of late something 1919 01:04:36,145 --> 01:04:37,980 Of a phantom figure, agreed 1920 01:04:38,014 --> 01:04:39,248 Today to be interviewed 1921 01:04:39,282 --> 01:04:40,649 At a secret location. 1922 01:04:40,684 --> 01:04:42,418 I asked him what he considers 1923 01:04:42,452 --> 01:04:44,553 The most important revelations 1924 01:04:44,588 --> 01:04:45,888 To date from the pentagon 1925 01:04:45,922 --> 01:04:47,623 Documents. 1926 01:04:47,657 --> 01:04:48,991 >> I think the lesson is that 1927 01:04:49,025 --> 01:04:50,926 The people of this country can't 1928 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,194 Afford to let the president run 1929 01:04:52,228 --> 01:04:55,130 The country by himself without 1930 01:04:55,164 --> 01:04:56,499 The help of the congress, 1931 01:04:56,533 --> 01:04:58,634 Without the help of the public. 1932 01:04:58,668 --> 01:04:59,668 >> dan does this interview, 1933 01:04:59,703 --> 01:05:00,870 Which comes out on cbs 1934 01:05:00,904 --> 01:05:03,639 Nationwide television as the 1935 01:05:03,673 --> 01:05:05,841 Biggest f.B.I. Manhunt since 1936 01:05:05,876 --> 01:05:07,175 The lindbergh kidnapping 1937 01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:09,445 Is going on looking for us. 1938 01:05:09,479 --> 01:05:11,763 But we still hadn't given out 1939 01:05:11,797 --> 01:05:13,632 Enough of the papers. 1940 01:05:13,666 --> 01:05:15,100 >> harry reasoner: Today another 1941 01:05:15,135 --> 01:05:16,901 Lid broke loose. 1942 01:05:16,936 --> 01:05:18,420 The boston globe began 1943 01:05:18,455 --> 01:05:19,688 Its series based on 1944 01:05:19,722 --> 01:05:20,822 Presumably classified 1945 01:05:20,856 --> 01:05:21,890 Government documents. 1946 01:05:21,924 --> 01:05:22,758 >> john chancellor: The chicago 1947 01:05:22,792 --> 01:05:23,726 Sun-times entered the drama 1948 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,394 Today by running a story 1949 01:05:25,428 --> 01:05:26,595 Which says that the kennedy 1950 01:05:26,629 --> 01:05:27,562 Administration... 1951 01:05:27,597 --> 01:05:28,847 >> today, the 11 knight 1952 01:05:28,882 --> 01:05:30,282 Newspapers and the los angeles 1953 01:05:30,317 --> 01:05:32,751 Times joined the procession... 1954 01:05:32,785 --> 01:05:34,035 >> the ballgame was over. 1955 01:05:34,070 --> 01:05:35,871 Any effort at suppressing the 1956 01:05:35,905 --> 01:05:38,807 Pentagon papers was gonna fail. 1957 01:05:38,841 --> 01:05:40,759 Dan and his network had 1958 01:05:40,794 --> 01:05:42,661 Distributed portions of the 1959 01:05:42,696 --> 01:05:44,796 Pentagon papers to 17 1960 01:05:44,831 --> 01:05:46,465 Different organizations. 1961 01:05:46,499 --> 01:05:47,399 >> ellsberg interviewed: They 1962 01:05:47,433 --> 01:05:48,334 Couldn't stop them. 1963 01:05:48,368 --> 01:05:49,801 As one of the lawyers said, 1964 01:05:49,836 --> 01:05:53,538 "it was like herding bees." 1965 01:05:53,573 --> 01:05:54,539 >> smith: The press said, "we 1966 01:05:54,574 --> 01:05:56,175 Can look at this, we can make a 1967 01:05:56,209 --> 01:05:57,877 Valid judgment about what serves 1968 01:05:57,911 --> 01:05:59,912 National security and we can be 1969 01:05:59,946 --> 01:06:01,480 And we will be independent 1970 01:06:01,514 --> 01:06:03,015 From our government." 1971 01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:04,683 And that was a declaration 1972 01:06:04,717 --> 01:06:05,951 Of independence and it 1973 01:06:05,985 --> 01:06:08,304 Really changed the relationship 1974 01:06:08,338 --> 01:06:10,005 Between the government 1975 01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:11,273 And the media ever since. 1976 01:06:11,307 --> 01:06:15,227 [�...] 1977 01:06:15,262 --> 01:06:16,462 >> patricia: The pentagon papers 1978 01:06:16,496 --> 01:06:19,581 Story was on the nightly news 1979 01:06:19,783 --> 01:06:21,617 The first seven or eight minutes 1980 01:06:21,651 --> 01:06:24,102 Of the nightly news every night 1981 01:06:24,136 --> 01:06:25,604 For two weeks. 1982 01:06:25,638 --> 01:06:26,921 >> so that gave it as much 1983 01:06:26,956 --> 01:06:28,257 Public attention as I could 1984 01:06:28,291 --> 01:06:29,391 Possibly have asked for. 1985 01:06:29,425 --> 01:06:30,092 >> we were underground, 1986 01:06:30,126 --> 01:06:31,593 So we were able to watch 1987 01:06:31,627 --> 01:06:33,895 The news day and night. 1988 01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:35,630 And this thing was unfolding 1989 01:06:35,665 --> 01:06:37,466 In the most dramatic way. 1990 01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:39,301 >> alaska's 41-year-old 1991 01:06:39,335 --> 01:06:41,236 Democratic senator mike gravel 1992 01:06:41,271 --> 01:06:42,638 Held a mock meeting of his 1993 01:06:42,672 --> 01:06:44,273 Sub-committee on buildings and 1994 01:06:44,307 --> 01:06:45,541 Grounds with only himself 1995 01:06:45,575 --> 01:06:47,593 Present and began reading aloud 1996 01:06:47,627 --> 01:06:49,428 The 7,000-page pentagon 1997 01:06:49,462 --> 01:06:51,296 Secret report in public. 1998 01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:53,965 >> the papers prove that for 1999 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,569 20 years, we have been victims 2000 01:06:57,604 --> 01:07:01,440 Of our southeast asia policy. 2001 01:07:01,474 --> 01:07:02,741 ...I was frightened to death 2002 01:07:02,776 --> 01:07:03,792 Over releasing the 2003 01:07:03,827 --> 01:07:04,827 Pentagon papers. 2004 01:07:04,861 --> 01:07:06,228 I had no idea whether I was 2005 01:07:06,262 --> 01:07:07,196 Going to prison. 2006 01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:08,430 All I could think of was, 2007 01:07:08,464 --> 01:07:09,764 "my country's killing people, 2008 01:07:09,799 --> 01:07:11,466 We're maiming americans, and 2009 01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:14,369 This is terrible," and so I was 2010 01:07:14,403 --> 01:07:16,271 Overcome with emotion. 2011 01:07:16,306 --> 01:07:19,007 Not patriotism, just emotion 2012 01:07:19,042 --> 01:07:20,775 Of something you love dearly 2013 01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:21,877 That has gone astray. 2014 01:07:21,911 --> 01:07:23,212 >> howard k. Smith: He continued 2015 01:07:23,246 --> 01:07:24,713 Until exhaustion and emotion 2016 01:07:24,747 --> 01:07:26,481 Overcame him after 1:00 2017 01:07:26,515 --> 01:07:27,983 This morning. 2018 01:07:28,017 --> 01:07:28,884 >> gravel: I collected myself 2019 01:07:28,918 --> 01:07:30,418 And I asked-- now keep in mind, 2020 01:07:30,453 --> 01:07:31,753 I'm the only one on the 2021 01:07:31,787 --> 01:07:33,088 Committee-- I asked unanimous 2022 01:07:33,122 --> 01:07:34,990 Consent to put all these papers 2023 01:07:35,024 --> 01:07:36,591 Into the record, and I've got 2024 01:07:36,625 --> 01:07:38,160 The gavel and I slam it 2025 01:07:38,194 --> 01:07:39,194 And I say, "hearing no 2026 01:07:39,229 --> 01:07:40,362 Objections, so ordered," 2027 01:07:40,396 --> 01:07:41,663 That's it, papers are out, 2028 01:07:41,697 --> 01:07:44,366 They're in the senate record. 2029 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,186 [reporters shouting...] 2030 01:07:48,221 --> 01:07:49,054 >> newscaster: Even if the 2031 01:07:49,089 --> 01:07:50,756 F.B.I. Had wanted to arrest him 2032 01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:51,657 Outside the courthouse this 2033 01:07:51,691 --> 01:07:52,624 Morning, they probably couldn't 2034 01:07:52,659 --> 01:07:53,558 Have done it. 2035 01:07:53,593 --> 01:07:54,993 Ellsberg was walled off by 2036 01:07:55,027 --> 01:07:56,895 Newsmen and supporters as he 2037 01:07:56,929 --> 01:07:58,630 Admitted that he was indeed the 2038 01:07:58,664 --> 01:07:59,798 Man who brought the pentagon 2039 01:07:59,832 --> 01:08:01,166 Papers to the press and 2040 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,351 Congressional leaders. 2041 01:08:02,385 --> 01:08:04,986 >> I did this, clearly, 2042 01:08:05,021 --> 01:08:07,289 At my own jeopardy and I am 2043 01:08:07,324 --> 01:08:09,592 Prepared to answer to all the 2044 01:08:09,626 --> 01:08:19,968 Consequences of these decisions. 2045 01:08:20,002 --> 01:08:38,654 [�...] 2046 01:08:38,688 --> 01:08:40,489 >> chancellor: In one of the 2047 01:08:40,523 --> 01:08:41,923 Most important judicial 2048 01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:43,525 Decisions in the history of the 2049 01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,377 Country, the supreme court today 2050 01:08:45,411 --> 01:08:46,879 Ruled that the new york times 2051 01:08:46,913 --> 01:08:48,246 And the washington post 2052 01:08:48,281 --> 01:08:49,514 May continue to publish 2053 01:08:49,549 --> 01:08:51,150 The secret pentagon papers. 2054 01:08:51,184 --> 01:08:52,284 >> daniel schorr: The ruling 2055 01:08:52,318 --> 01:08:53,686 Was amazingly simple. 2056 01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,087 It was that proving the need for 2057 01:08:55,121 --> 01:08:56,589 Prior censorship is a heavy 2058 01:08:56,623 --> 01:08:58,224 Burden and the government didn't 2059 01:08:58,258 --> 01:08:59,592 Meet that burden. 2060 01:08:59,626 --> 01:09:00,292 >> ellsberg: The decision 2061 01:09:00,327 --> 01:09:01,393 Was a great one. 2062 01:09:01,428 --> 01:09:02,428 The story today is what 2063 01:09:02,462 --> 01:09:03,429 The constitution of this 2064 01:09:03,463 --> 01:09:04,463 Country means to us. 2065 01:09:04,497 --> 01:09:06,298 I really, I've never appreciated 2066 01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:08,834 What the meaning and importance 2067 01:09:08,868 --> 01:09:10,035 Of separation of powers is 2068 01:09:10,069 --> 01:09:11,604 So much as in the last, 2069 01:09:11,638 --> 01:09:13,071 The last week. 2070 01:09:13,106 --> 01:09:15,341 >> woman: When dan ellsberg 2071 01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:17,443 Released the pentagon papers, he 2072 01:09:17,477 --> 01:09:19,211 Was doing it to stop the war. 2073 01:09:19,246 --> 01:09:20,912 Perhaps the most important 2074 01:09:20,947 --> 01:09:23,949 Legacy he left us with, though, 2075 01:09:23,983 --> 01:09:26,084 Was a supreme court case, 2076 01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:27,553 The pentagon papers case, 2077 01:09:27,587 --> 01:09:28,820 Which is perhaps the most 2078 01:09:28,855 --> 01:09:30,822 Important first amendment 2079 01:09:30,857 --> 01:09:33,792 Decision in the court's history. 2080 01:09:33,826 --> 01:09:35,961 I can guarantee you that every 2081 01:09:35,995 --> 01:09:37,295 Day there's a first amendment 2082 01:09:37,330 --> 01:09:38,864 Lawyer out there citing 2083 01:09:38,898 --> 01:09:40,232 The pentagon papers case 2084 01:09:40,266 --> 01:09:42,434 In order to protect free speech 2085 01:09:42,469 --> 01:09:43,702 And free press against 2086 01:09:43,736 --> 01:09:45,420 Government encroachment. 2087 01:09:45,455 --> 01:09:46,655 >> frankel: When we finally 2088 01:09:46,689 --> 01:09:48,256 Won the right to continue 2089 01:09:48,290 --> 01:09:50,342 Publication from the supreme 2090 01:09:50,376 --> 01:09:52,978 Court, this was a firm ruling 2091 01:09:53,012 --> 01:09:55,214 That national security alone, 2092 01:09:55,248 --> 01:09:57,382 The cry of national security, 2093 01:09:57,416 --> 01:09:59,017 Does not justify censorship 2094 01:09:59,052 --> 01:10:00,385 In advance. 2095 01:10:00,419 --> 01:10:01,720 >> nixon on tape: I wanted 2096 01:10:01,421 --> 01:10:02,754 To tell you that I was 2097 01:10:02,789 --> 01:10:04,423 So damn mad when that supreme 2098 01:10:04,457 --> 01:10:05,557 Court had to come down... 2099 01:10:05,591 --> 01:10:06,591 First, I didn't like 2100 01:10:06,626 --> 01:10:07,426 Their decision... 2101 01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:08,326 >> man: I didn't either. 2102 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:09,327 >> unbelievable, wasn't it? 2103 01:10:09,361 --> 01:10:10,462 You know, those clowns we've 2104 01:10:10,496 --> 01:10:12,497 Got on there, I tell you, I hope 2105 01:10:12,532 --> 01:10:14,198 I outlive the bastards. 2106 01:10:14,233 --> 01:10:15,500 >> persons close to the 2107 01:10:15,534 --> 01:10:16,869 President vehemently deny 2108 01:10:16,903 --> 01:10:18,837 That he is any vengeful mood 2109 01:10:18,872 --> 01:10:20,072 Toward the new york times 2110 01:10:20,106 --> 01:10:21,373 Or any other newspaper. 2111 01:10:21,407 --> 01:10:22,607 As for fears expressed 2112 01:10:22,642 --> 01:10:23,776 By reporters and editors 2113 01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:25,244 That there is big trouble ahead 2114 01:10:25,278 --> 01:10:26,611 From the administration, 2115 01:10:26,646 --> 01:10:28,613 The nixon men say, "that is 2116 01:10:28,648 --> 01:10:33,218 Pure paranoia, ridiculous." 2117 01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:34,486 >> dick cavett: Mr. Ellsberg 2118 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,620 Or dr. Ellsberg himself 2119 01:10:35,655 --> 01:10:36,688 Has been hailed as hero 2120 01:10:36,722 --> 01:10:37,923 By a lot of people, condemned 2121 01:10:37,957 --> 01:10:39,291 As a traitor by others. 2122 01:10:39,325 --> 01:10:39,958 Will you welcome, please, 2123 01:10:39,993 --> 01:10:41,192 The man who... 2124 01:10:41,227 --> 01:10:42,393 Uh, made the whole thing 2125 01:10:42,428 --> 01:10:44,262 Possible, dr. Daniel ellsberg. 2126 01:10:44,296 --> 01:10:49,335 [applause..., �...] 2127 01:10:49,369 --> 01:10:51,169 >> falk: I think that the drama 2128 01:10:51,204 --> 01:10:53,171 That surrounded the release of 2129 01:10:53,206 --> 01:10:56,107 The papers, which centered on 2130 01:10:56,142 --> 01:10:58,143 The personality and experience 2131 01:10:58,177 --> 01:11:01,313 Of dan ellsberg himself, gave 2132 01:11:01,347 --> 01:11:04,582 The papers a prominence that 2133 01:11:04,617 --> 01:11:07,252 They probably wouldn't have had, 2134 01:11:07,287 --> 01:11:10,388 Had a grayer personality been 2135 01:11:10,423 --> 01:11:13,125 Associated with this release. 2136 01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:14,693 [applause finally stops] 2137 01:11:14,727 --> 01:11:15,994 >> that much applause without 2138 01:11:16,029 --> 01:11:17,262 Even doing a monologue... 2139 01:11:17,297 --> 01:11:18,396 [laughter] 2140 01:11:18,431 --> 01:11:19,331 ...Is there any way 2141 01:11:19,365 --> 01:11:20,532 To answer in 30 seconds 2142 01:11:20,566 --> 01:11:21,733 What people can do? 2143 01:11:21,835 --> 01:11:22,984 >> I think one thing that people 2144 01:11:23,018 --> 01:11:24,253 Will conclude when they've read 2145 01:11:24,287 --> 01:11:27,055 It is that they have not asked 2146 01:11:27,089 --> 01:11:29,558 Enough, they have not expected 2147 01:11:29,592 --> 01:11:30,759 Enough or demanded enough in the 2148 01:11:30,793 --> 01:11:32,227 Way of boldness, in the way of 2149 01:11:32,262 --> 01:11:33,862 Responsibility, from their 2150 01:11:33,896 --> 01:11:35,530 Public servants. 2151 01:11:35,565 --> 01:11:37,766 Make that known and I think 2152 01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,868 That our constitution will 2153 01:11:39,902 --> 01:11:42,804 Continue to function better 2154 01:11:42,838 --> 01:11:44,573 Than it has been in the past. 2155 01:11:44,607 --> 01:11:47,442 [applause...] 2156 01:11:47,777 --> 01:11:49,511 [fades...] 2157 01:11:49,545 --> 01:11:51,813 >> halperin: I think he did 2158 01:11:51,848 --> 01:11:54,248 Betray a trust and he put 2159 01:11:54,283 --> 01:11:56,451 In jeopardy not only his 2160 01:11:56,486 --> 01:11:58,854 Welfare, but that of everybody 2161 01:11:58,888 --> 01:12:01,472 Else who was involved. 2162 01:12:01,507 --> 01:12:02,741 >> ellsberg interviewed: There 2163 01:12:02,775 --> 01:12:04,375 Was no question in my mind that 2164 01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:06,611 My... Best friend, really, 2165 01:12:06,645 --> 01:12:08,413 Harry rowen, would be definitely 2166 01:12:08,447 --> 01:12:10,648 Associated with what I'd done 2167 01:12:10,683 --> 01:12:12,084 And the fact that I did it 2168 01:12:12,118 --> 01:12:13,418 While he was president, 2169 01:12:13,452 --> 01:12:14,419 That this happened, this 2170 01:12:14,453 --> 01:12:15,721 Security breach happened. 2171 01:12:15,755 --> 01:12:17,122 So I knew that would hurt him, 2172 01:12:17,156 --> 01:12:18,757 Might lose him his job, 2173 01:12:18,791 --> 01:12:22,393 As it did, actually. 2174 01:12:22,428 --> 01:12:24,996 E.M. Forster said, "if I had to 2175 01:12:25,031 --> 01:12:26,798 Choose between betraying my 2176 01:12:26,833 --> 01:12:28,967 Country and betraying a friend, 2177 01:12:29,001 --> 01:12:30,368 I hope I should have the guts 2178 01:12:30,402 --> 01:12:32,670 To betray my country." 2179 01:12:32,705 --> 01:12:33,922 And I remember when that was 2180 01:12:33,957 --> 01:12:35,757 Quoted to me, my reaction right 2181 01:12:35,792 --> 01:12:37,359 Away was, "I don't agree 2182 01:12:37,393 --> 01:12:38,460 With that at all." 2183 01:12:38,495 --> 01:12:39,962 We're talking about 2184 01:12:39,996 --> 01:12:42,364 Many, many, many lives here. 2185 01:12:42,398 --> 01:12:43,398 We're talking about 2186 01:12:43,432 --> 01:12:46,100 Shortening a war. 2187 01:12:46,135 --> 01:12:46,968 >> schelling: Not long after 2188 01:12:47,002 --> 01:12:48,069 The release of the pentagon 2189 01:12:48,103 --> 01:12:49,504 Papers, I was at a conference 2190 01:12:49,539 --> 01:12:51,005 At u.C.L.A. 2191 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,707 There were at least a dozen 2192 01:12:52,742 --> 01:12:54,409 People from rand at that 2193 01:12:54,444 --> 01:12:57,446 Conference and, uh, not one of 2194 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:01,616 Them would shake hands with dan. 2195 01:13:01,651 --> 01:13:05,019 Not one would sit near him. 2196 01:13:05,054 --> 01:13:11,426 They treated him as a, uh... 2197 01:13:11,461 --> 01:13:13,528 A traitor. 2198 01:13:13,563 --> 01:13:15,597 And whether they, they meant 2199 01:13:15,631 --> 01:13:16,865 A traitor to his country or 2200 01:13:16,899 --> 01:13:18,467 A traitor to his organization, 2201 01:13:18,501 --> 01:13:20,852 It's hard to know. 2202 01:13:20,886 --> 01:13:21,720 >> ellsberg interviewed: I was 2203 01:13:21,754 --> 01:13:24,122 Typhoid mary, I was a leper 2204 01:13:24,156 --> 01:13:28,627 With a bell around my neck. 2205 01:13:28,661 --> 01:13:31,630 I've come to realize, the fear 2206 01:13:31,664 --> 01:13:34,032 Of being cut out from the group 2207 01:13:34,066 --> 01:13:37,302 Of people you respect and whose 2208 01:13:37,337 --> 01:13:39,471 Respect you want and normally 2209 01:13:39,505 --> 01:13:42,574 Expect, that keeps people 2210 01:13:42,608 --> 01:13:44,609 Participating in anything, 2211 01:13:44,644 --> 01:13:49,047 No matter how terrible. 2212 01:13:49,349 --> 01:13:50,398 >> whatever his intentions 2213 01:13:50,433 --> 01:13:52,634 May have been, in your opinion, 2214 01:13:52,669 --> 01:13:53,902 Did daniel ellsberg betray 2215 01:13:53,937 --> 01:13:54,919 His country? 2216 01:13:54,954 --> 01:13:57,422 >> I would put it another way. 2217 01:13:57,457 --> 01:13:59,090 Daniel ellsberg, whatever his 2218 01:13:59,124 --> 01:14:01,693 Intentions, gave aid and comfort 2219 01:14:01,728 --> 01:14:03,662 To the enemy, and under those 2220 01:14:03,696 --> 01:14:04,763 Circumstances, that is 2221 01:14:04,797 --> 01:14:06,348 Inexcusable. 2222 01:14:06,382 --> 01:14:09,317 After all, he is putting himself 2223 01:14:09,352 --> 01:14:11,986 Above the president of the 2224 01:14:12,020 --> 01:14:13,421 United states, above the 2225 01:14:13,456 --> 01:14:15,523 Congress, above our whole system 2226 01:14:15,558 --> 01:14:17,759 Of government when he says, in 2227 01:14:17,793 --> 01:14:20,328 Effect, that he would determine 2228 01:14:20,363 --> 01:14:23,215 What should be made public. 2229 01:14:23,249 --> 01:14:24,682 >> dean: I think that there is 2230 01:14:24,717 --> 01:14:27,052 Probably some good justification 2231 01:14:27,086 --> 01:14:28,220 For the strong feelings 2232 01:14:28,254 --> 01:14:29,054 Nixon had. 2233 01:14:29,088 --> 01:14:30,688 He would make a decision in the 2234 01:14:30,723 --> 01:14:31,823 National security council and 2235 01:14:31,857 --> 01:14:33,458 The next day read it on the 2236 01:14:33,493 --> 01:14:35,093 Front page of the new york times 2237 01:14:35,128 --> 01:14:36,461 Or some other newspaper. 2238 01:14:36,496 --> 01:14:37,862 This makes it virtually 2239 01:14:37,897 --> 01:14:39,597 Impossible to govern. 2240 01:14:39,632 --> 01:14:40,498 >> nixon on tape: Just because 2241 01:14:40,532 --> 01:14:41,866 Some guy's gonna be a martyr, 2242 01:14:41,901 --> 01:14:43,501 We can't be in a position of 2243 01:14:43,535 --> 01:14:44,936 Allowing the fellow to get away 2244 01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:46,204 With this kind of wholesale 2245 01:14:46,238 --> 01:14:47,238 Thievery, or otherwise it's 2246 01:14:47,272 --> 01:14:48,372 Gonna happen all over the 2247 01:14:48,407 --> 01:14:49,074 Government. 2248 01:14:49,108 --> 01:14:50,541 I just say that we've got to 2249 01:14:50,576 --> 01:14:52,043 Keep our eye on the main ball. 2250 01:14:52,078 --> 01:14:53,311 The main ball is ellsberg. 2251 01:14:53,345 --> 01:14:54,579 We got to get this 2252 01:14:54,613 --> 01:14:55,847 Son of a bitch. 2253 01:14:55,881 --> 01:14:57,115 >> dean: The leak of the 2254 01:14:57,149 --> 01:14:59,150 Pentagon papers changed 2255 01:14:59,185 --> 01:15:00,351 The nixon white house. 2256 01:15:00,385 --> 01:15:02,020 It really is what some of us 2257 01:15:02,054 --> 01:15:03,171 Have called the beginning of 2258 01:15:03,205 --> 01:15:04,205 The dark period. 2259 01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:05,807 I mean, it was rough and tumble 2260 01:15:05,841 --> 01:15:07,742 Before, but it got down 2261 01:15:07,777 --> 01:15:08,626 And dirty. 2262 01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:10,595 So it's really a defining event 2263 01:15:10,629 --> 01:15:12,764 For the nixon presidency. 2264 01:15:12,798 --> 01:15:14,432 And this is when egil krogh, 2265 01:15:14,466 --> 01:15:16,368 Bud krogh, was selected to head 2266 01:15:16,402 --> 01:15:19,537 Up the so-called plumbers unit. 2267 01:15:19,571 --> 01:15:21,189 >> I was summoned to the oval 2268 01:15:21,224 --> 01:15:23,358 Office by the president. 2269 01:15:23,392 --> 01:15:24,525 John ehrlichman and I 2270 01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,861 Met with him. 2271 01:15:25,895 --> 01:15:28,163 There was some suspicion that 2272 01:15:28,197 --> 01:15:30,431 Dr. Ellsberg had access to the 2273 01:15:30,466 --> 01:15:32,700 More recent war plans that had 2274 01:15:32,735 --> 01:15:34,002 Been developed by the nixon 2275 01:15:34,036 --> 01:15:36,004 Administration and would be 2276 01:15:36,038 --> 01:15:38,473 Able to release those documents. 2277 01:15:38,507 --> 01:15:39,975 I came from that meeting feeling 2278 01:15:40,009 --> 01:15:41,943 Very strongly that I was dealing 2279 01:15:41,978 --> 01:15:43,778 With a national security crisis 2280 01:15:43,812 --> 01:15:45,480 And I was to take any means 2281 01:15:45,514 --> 01:15:58,210 Necessary to respond to it. 2282 01:15:58,244 --> 01:16:00,845 The president had decided to 2283 01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,014 Set up a special investigations 2284 01:16:03,048 --> 01:16:18,629 Unit in the white house staff. 2285 01:16:18,664 --> 01:16:19,981 Did daniel ellsberg work alone? 2286 01:16:20,015 --> 01:16:21,249 Was he working with some 2287 01:16:21,283 --> 01:16:22,216 Other people? 2288 01:16:22,251 --> 01:16:24,318 Was it part of a conspiracy? 2289 01:16:24,353 --> 01:16:25,870 And it was in that context that 2290 01:16:25,904 --> 01:16:28,573 A proposal was made by e. Howard 2291 01:16:28,607 --> 01:16:30,174 Hunt to get information that 2292 01:16:30,209 --> 01:16:31,810 Could be used to discredit 2293 01:16:31,844 --> 01:16:33,177 Dr. Ellsberg. 2294 01:16:33,212 --> 01:16:35,063 "a covert operation ought to 2295 01:16:35,097 --> 01:16:37,298 Be undertaken to examine all 2296 01:16:37,332 --> 01:16:38,967 Of the files still held by 2297 01:16:39,001 --> 01:16:40,735 Dr. Ellsberg's psychiatrist, 2298 01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:42,837 Dr. Lewis fielding." 2299 01:16:42,872 --> 01:16:45,089 This went to john ehrlichman. 2300 01:16:45,124 --> 01:16:46,758 Underneath that proposal were 2301 01:16:46,792 --> 01:16:48,276 Two lines: "approve" with a 2302 01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:50,344 Line, "disapprove" with a line. 2303 01:16:50,379 --> 01:16:52,346 He wrote his large "e" after 2304 01:16:52,381 --> 01:16:54,382 "approve," and then put in 2305 01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:55,784 "under your assurance it is 2306 01:16:55,818 --> 01:17:01,405 Not traceable." 2307 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:02,874 >> robert: The f.B.I. Came one 2308 01:17:02,908 --> 01:17:04,175 Day and said, "I'm afraid we 2309 01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:05,543 Have a subpoena here for you 2310 01:17:05,577 --> 01:17:06,978 To testify today at the grand 2311 01:17:07,012 --> 01:17:08,279 Jury." 2312 01:17:08,314 --> 01:17:10,081 My father was very upset. 2313 01:17:10,115 --> 01:17:11,315 He somehow thought that there 2314 01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:12,617 Was something more my mother 2315 01:17:12,652 --> 01:17:14,085 Could do to prevent this somehow 2316 01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:15,620 If she had better legal advice 2317 01:17:15,655 --> 01:17:16,721 Or whatever. 2318 01:17:16,756 --> 01:17:18,156 Her attitude was, "so you're the 2319 01:17:18,190 --> 01:17:20,926 One who got him into this, um, 2320 01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,261 And of course he's gonna, he's 2321 01:17:23,295 --> 01:17:24,930 Gonna just tell the truth." 2322 01:17:24,964 --> 01:17:26,330 And my father said, "well, of 2323 01:17:26,365 --> 01:17:27,766 Course you got to, you know, 2324 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,367 Just tell, tell the truth." 2325 01:17:29,401 --> 01:17:31,035 My personal involvement in the 2326 01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:32,570 Whole thing, the people I knew 2327 01:17:32,604 --> 01:17:33,972 About and the copying of 2328 01:17:34,006 --> 01:17:35,306 The pentagon papers, that 2329 01:17:35,341 --> 01:17:36,924 Became the focus of the, 2330 01:17:36,959 --> 01:17:38,026 Of the indictment. 2331 01:17:38,060 --> 01:17:38,993 >> I have a statement. 2332 01:17:39,028 --> 01:17:40,228 I have a prepared statement 2333 01:17:40,263 --> 01:17:41,429 That I'd like to read. 2334 01:17:41,464 --> 01:17:42,497 ...[interviewed]: Well, I said 2335 01:17:42,532 --> 01:17:43,831 To myself that I would not 2336 01:17:43,866 --> 01:17:45,867 Testify against him. 2337 01:17:45,901 --> 01:17:47,735 ...Let me put my cigarette out. 2338 01:17:47,770 --> 01:17:49,554 ...Because after all, to begin 2339 01:17:49,589 --> 01:17:53,774 With, I had urged him to do it. 2340 01:17:53,809 --> 01:17:54,976 ...The attorney general 2341 01:17:54,894 --> 01:17:56,494 Offers me the alternative of 2342 01:17:56,528 --> 01:17:59,030 Collaborating with him in his 2343 01:17:59,064 --> 01:18:00,631 Attempt to prosecute daniel 2344 01:18:00,665 --> 01:18:03,167 Ellsberg by testifying in 2345 01:18:03,202 --> 01:18:05,103 Secret before a grand jury. 2346 01:18:05,137 --> 01:18:07,638 For me, that is no choice. 2347 01:18:07,672 --> 01:18:09,007 >> he was immediately put in 2348 01:18:09,041 --> 01:18:12,210 Custody for contempt of court. 2349 01:18:12,244 --> 01:18:14,079 He offended the prosecutorial 2350 01:18:14,113 --> 01:18:16,648 Team by refusing to cooperate 2351 01:18:16,682 --> 01:18:19,233 In any way in the grand jury. 2352 01:18:19,267 --> 01:18:20,869 If tony had testified, he would 2353 01:18:20,903 --> 01:18:23,538 Have been out scot-free. 2354 01:18:23,572 --> 01:18:24,906 >> russo: The first thing that 2355 01:18:24,940 --> 01:18:26,808 Came to my mind was gandhi's 2356 01:18:26,842 --> 01:18:29,544 Dictum, "you should not 2357 01:18:29,578 --> 01:18:31,713 Cooperate with evil." 2358 01:18:31,747 --> 01:18:34,716 [�...] 2359 01:18:56,772 --> 01:18:57,705 >> newscaster: The pentagon 2360 01:18:57,740 --> 01:18:59,541 Papers drama changed abruptly 2361 01:18:59,575 --> 01:19:01,009 Into the pentagon papers media 2362 01:19:01,043 --> 01:19:02,710 Freak-out and cameramen's farce 2363 01:19:02,745 --> 01:19:03,879 As the documents arrived 2364 01:19:03,913 --> 01:19:04,880 At the senate... 2365 01:19:04,914 --> 01:19:06,665 >> zinn: I think dan was 2366 01:19:06,699 --> 01:19:09,234 Disappointed in that he may 2367 01:19:09,268 --> 01:19:11,503 Have expected too much from 2368 01:19:11,537 --> 01:19:12,971 The publication of the papers. 2369 01:19:13,005 --> 01:19:14,238 He may have expected that 2370 01:19:14,272 --> 01:19:16,173 The publication of the papers 2371 01:19:16,208 --> 01:19:18,142 Would create a greater sensation 2372 01:19:18,176 --> 01:19:19,110 Than it did. 2373 01:19:19,144 --> 01:19:20,244 Of course, it created 2374 01:19:20,278 --> 01:19:21,312 A sensation. 2375 01:19:21,346 --> 01:19:22,880 >> where is mr. Ellsberg? 2376 01:19:22,914 --> 01:19:24,515 [laughter] 2377 01:19:24,549 --> 01:19:25,950 >> I hope he's in jail. 2378 01:19:25,985 --> 01:19:27,085 [laughter] 2379 01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:28,403 >> zinn: But I think he was 2380 01:19:28,437 --> 01:19:29,604 Disappointed in the fact that 2381 01:19:29,639 --> 01:19:30,838 The substance of the papers, 2382 01:19:30,873 --> 01:19:32,674 The content of the papers 2383 01:19:32,708 --> 01:19:34,208 Did not seem to be absorbed 2384 01:19:34,242 --> 01:19:35,610 By the public. 2385 01:19:35,644 --> 01:19:38,713 [�...] 2386 01:19:38,747 --> 01:19:40,181 >> ellsberg: I gave up my job, 2387 01:19:40,215 --> 01:19:41,649 My career, my clearance, and I 2388 01:19:41,684 --> 01:19:45,152 Staked my freedom on a gamble: 2389 01:19:45,187 --> 01:19:47,455 If the american people knew the 2390 01:19:47,489 --> 01:19:49,457 Truth about how they had been 2391 01:19:49,491 --> 01:19:51,826 Lied to, about the myths that 2392 01:19:51,861 --> 01:19:54,362 Had led them to endorse this 2393 01:19:54,396 --> 01:19:56,931 Butchery for 25 years, that 2394 01:19:56,966 --> 01:19:59,200 They would choose against it. 2395 01:19:59,234 --> 01:20:00,702 And the risk that you take 2396 01:20:00,736 --> 01:20:02,486 When you do that is that you'll 2397 01:20:02,521 --> 01:20:04,288 Learn something ultimately about 2398 01:20:04,322 --> 01:20:05,890 Your fellow citizens that you 2399 01:20:05,925 --> 01:20:08,193 Won't like to hear, and that is 2400 01:20:08,227 --> 01:20:10,261 That they hear it, they learn 2401 01:20:10,295 --> 01:20:12,363 From it, they understand it, 2402 01:20:12,397 --> 01:20:14,866 And they proceed to ignore it. 2403 01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:17,835 [�...] 2404 01:20:24,209 --> 01:20:57,258 [explosions] 2405 01:20:57,293 --> 01:20:58,426 ...I remember speaking about 2406 01:20:58,461 --> 01:20:59,844 A year ago and expressing the 2407 01:20:59,878 --> 01:21:01,612 Hope that we would end this war 2408 01:21:01,647 --> 01:21:02,914 Before we had dropped another 2409 01:21:02,949 --> 01:21:04,582 Million tons of bombs 2410 01:21:04,616 --> 01:21:05,683 On the vietnamese. 2411 01:21:05,717 --> 01:21:06,684 Well, that hope has 2412 01:21:06,718 --> 01:21:07,718 Been disappointed. 2413 01:21:07,753 --> 01:21:09,153 ...We could never get into the 2414 01:21:09,187 --> 01:21:11,289 Paper the very fact that we had 2415 01:21:11,323 --> 01:21:12,791 Reported the bombing tonnage. 2416 01:21:12,825 --> 01:21:14,559 They didn't even go so far as 2417 01:21:14,593 --> 01:21:16,928 To say, "the ellsbergs have this 2418 01:21:16,962 --> 01:21:19,097 Funny habit in every daily press 2419 01:21:19,131 --> 01:21:21,299 Conference of saying, 'here's 2420 01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:22,700 How many bombs we dropped 2421 01:21:22,734 --> 01:21:23,801 Last week.'" 2422 01:21:23,835 --> 01:21:26,036 ...We've dropped another 200,000 2423 01:21:26,071 --> 01:21:27,938 Tons of bombs on indochina. 2424 01:21:27,973 --> 01:21:29,474 That's 10 hiroshimas, 2425 01:21:29,508 --> 01:21:31,175 One hiroshima a week. 2426 01:21:31,210 --> 01:21:32,076 ...They never even mentioned 2427 01:21:32,110 --> 01:21:33,478 We'd said it, let alone reflect 2428 01:21:33,512 --> 01:21:35,012 On the fact that it was 2429 01:21:35,046 --> 01:21:36,480 Happening. 2430 01:21:36,515 --> 01:21:38,315 When I knew we were gonna bomb 2431 01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:40,718 Vietnam forever, that was like 2432 01:21:40,752 --> 01:21:42,453 Bombing the neighborhood. 2433 01:21:42,488 --> 01:21:43,388 The people there were more 2434 01:21:43,422 --> 01:21:44,855 Than pictures for me and they 2435 01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:47,592 Were more than numbers. 2436 01:21:47,626 --> 01:21:53,731 [�...] 2437 01:21:53,765 --> 01:21:55,433 >> when we went to select our 2438 01:21:55,468 --> 01:21:57,351 Jury, we brought in an expert, 2439 01:21:57,385 --> 01:22:00,188 Actually a psychiatrist. 2440 01:22:00,222 --> 01:22:02,223 He told us we were defending 2441 01:22:02,257 --> 01:22:05,076 Two young men-- bright, high 2442 01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:07,879 Achievers, men with a future-- 2443 01:22:07,913 --> 01:22:09,713 Who were willing to risk it all 2444 01:22:09,748 --> 01:22:12,183 For the sake of not themselves 2445 01:22:12,217 --> 01:22:13,551 Or their own careerist 2446 01:22:13,585 --> 01:22:15,119 Interests, but for the sake 2447 01:22:15,154 --> 01:22:16,587 Of a principle. 2448 01:22:16,622 --> 01:22:19,240 And the psychiatrist said to us, 2449 01:22:19,275 --> 01:22:21,809 "you don't want on this jury 2450 01:22:21,843 --> 01:22:25,179 Men of middle age, because these 2451 01:22:25,214 --> 01:22:27,632 Are people who in the course of 2452 01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:29,900 Their lives might possibly have 2453 01:22:29,935 --> 01:22:32,136 Sacrificed principle for the 2454 01:22:32,170 --> 01:22:34,305 Sake of career, for the sake of 2455 01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:36,808 Family, and they lived with that 2456 01:22:36,842 --> 01:22:39,777 Compromise, and they will have 2457 01:22:39,812 --> 01:22:43,748 A lot of disdain, even contempt 2458 01:22:43,782 --> 01:22:45,650 For two men who did it for 2459 01:22:45,684 --> 01:22:47,184 The sake of principle and 2460 01:22:47,219 --> 01:22:48,486 Took the risk." 2461 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:49,820 >> in los angeles today, daniel 2462 01:22:49,855 --> 01:22:51,356 Ellsberg returned to the witness 2463 01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:52,657 Stand in the pentagon papers 2464 01:22:52,691 --> 01:22:54,292 Case, and for the first time, 2465 01:22:54,326 --> 01:22:55,793 The chief defendant spelled out 2466 01:22:55,827 --> 01:22:57,378 How he changed from hawk to dove 2467 01:22:57,413 --> 01:22:58,646 On the vietnam war. 2468 01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,081 >> ellsberg: When I was on the 2469 01:23:00,115 --> 01:23:02,550 Stand for four and a half days, 2470 01:23:02,584 --> 01:23:04,218 I actually recalled this 2471 01:23:04,253 --> 01:23:06,520 Particular incident in 1966 2472 01:23:06,555 --> 01:23:08,756 When I came on a burning village 2473 01:23:08,958 --> 01:23:10,391 That was burning because our 2474 01:23:10,425 --> 01:23:13,161 Vietnamese troops had fired on 2475 01:23:13,195 --> 01:23:15,029 It, and in the course of that, 2476 01:23:15,063 --> 01:23:17,398 I saw some kids picking through 2477 01:23:17,433 --> 01:23:20,368 The embers of their huts for a 2478 01:23:20,402 --> 01:23:22,403 Little plastic doll. 2479 01:23:22,438 --> 01:23:24,472 That was extremely anguishing 2480 01:23:24,507 --> 01:23:26,841 For me to see this sad 2481 01:23:26,875 --> 01:23:27,742 Appearance. 2482 01:23:27,776 --> 01:23:29,577 This is what the war meant to 2483 01:23:29,612 --> 01:23:31,045 Them, really, the destruction 2484 01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:34,782 Of their homes and their lives. 2485 01:23:34,817 --> 01:23:49,129 [�...] 2486 01:23:49,164 --> 01:23:51,098 >> at the pentagon papers trial 2487 01:23:51,132 --> 01:23:52,500 In california today, it was 2488 01:23:52,534 --> 01:23:53,868 Revealed that the people who 2489 01:23:53,902 --> 01:23:55,837 Burglarized the watergate also 2490 01:23:55,871 --> 01:23:57,572 Burglarized the office of daniel 2491 01:23:57,606 --> 01:23:58,740 Ellsberg's psychiatrist. 2492 01:23:58,774 --> 01:23:59,741 >> mr. Ehrlichman, are you 2493 01:23:59,775 --> 01:24:01,242 Telling me that the break-in 2494 01:24:01,276 --> 01:24:02,143 To dr. Fielding's office was 2495 01:24:02,178 --> 01:24:03,211 To satisfy the president of 2496 01:24:03,245 --> 01:24:04,345 The United States? 2497 01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:05,179 >> the president wanted very 2498 01:24:05,213 --> 01:24:06,748 Much to make sure that a thing 2499 01:24:06,782 --> 01:24:07,982 Like this could not happen 2500 01:24:08,017 --> 01:24:09,267 Again. 2501 01:24:09,301 --> 01:24:11,135 >> krogh: At no time did anyone 2502 01:24:11,169 --> 01:24:12,470 Ask "is this the right thing 2503 01:24:12,504 --> 01:24:13,704 To do?" 2504 01:24:13,739 --> 01:24:15,072 We never looked at either 2505 01:24:15,106 --> 01:24:16,540 The legal issues, the ethical 2506 01:24:16,575 --> 01:24:17,875 Issues, the spiritual issues. 2507 01:24:17,909 --> 01:24:19,777 None of those things came 2508 01:24:19,811 --> 01:24:21,245 To the level of consciousness. 2509 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,347 It was a collapse of integrity 2510 01:24:23,382 --> 01:24:24,882 Of the first order. 2511 01:24:24,917 --> 01:24:27,351 >> the revelation in the trial 2512 01:24:27,385 --> 01:24:29,721 Of the pentagon papers that 2513 01:24:29,755 --> 01:24:31,255 The white house had sent 2514 01:24:31,289 --> 01:24:33,691 The plumbers to los angeles 2515 01:24:33,726 --> 01:24:36,060 Really, I think, broke open 2516 01:24:36,095 --> 01:24:38,462 The watergate scandal. 2517 01:24:38,497 --> 01:24:40,965 And then to top it all off, 2518 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,234 If the story needed topping, 2519 01:24:43,268 --> 01:24:45,269 The fact that the president 2520 01:24:45,303 --> 01:24:47,872 Met with the presiding judge. 2521 01:24:47,906 --> 01:24:49,240 >> the man presiding over the 2522 01:24:49,274 --> 01:24:50,875 Ellsberg case, judge matthew 2523 01:24:50,909 --> 01:24:52,143 Byrne, today confirmed that 2524 01:24:52,177 --> 01:24:53,377 Ehrlichman had offered him 2525 01:24:53,411 --> 01:24:55,079 The job of f.B.I. Director. 2526 01:24:55,114 --> 01:24:56,380 >> it didn't seem possible, 2527 01:24:56,414 --> 01:24:57,915 But there were even more 2528 01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:59,517 Sensational developments today 2529 01:24:59,551 --> 01:25:01,268 Involving the white house: 2530 01:25:01,303 --> 01:25:02,670 An admission from the federal 2531 01:25:02,705 --> 01:25:04,405 Bureau of investigation that it 2532 01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,207 Had listened to daniel ellsberg 2533 01:25:06,241 --> 01:25:08,476 On wiretaps as long as two years 2534 01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:09,877 Before he released the pentagon 2535 01:25:09,912 --> 01:25:10,812 Papers. 2536 01:25:10,846 --> 01:25:11,679 >> good evening. 2537 01:25:11,714 --> 01:25:13,347 A federal judge in los angeles 2538 01:25:13,381 --> 01:25:14,849 Today declared a mistrial 2539 01:25:14,883 --> 01:25:16,250 In the pentagon papers case. 2540 01:25:16,284 --> 01:25:17,785 He dismissed all the charges 2541 01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:18,920 Against daniel ellsberg 2542 01:25:18,954 --> 01:25:19,921 And anthony russo. 2543 01:25:19,955 --> 01:25:21,022 [crowd applauding...] 2544 01:25:21,056 --> 01:25:22,256 The judge ruled that the 2545 01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:23,424 Government had so tainted its 2546 01:25:23,458 --> 01:25:25,292 Own case as to make a fair trial 2547 01:25:25,327 --> 01:25:28,029 Impossible. 2548 01:25:28,063 --> 01:25:29,664 >> a presidential prosecution 2549 01:25:29,698 --> 01:25:31,633 That started, we now know, 2550 01:25:31,667 --> 01:25:33,101 In order to help re-elect a 2551 01:25:33,135 --> 01:25:35,003 President, and it's ending now, 2552 01:25:35,037 --> 01:25:37,105 I think, to avoid impeaching 2553 01:25:37,139 --> 01:25:38,305 That same president. 2554 01:25:38,340 --> 01:25:39,941 But it won't stop that process, 2555 01:25:39,975 --> 01:25:41,308 Because the facts, thanks in 2556 01:25:41,343 --> 01:25:42,944 Part to this trial, are out 2557 01:25:42,978 --> 01:25:43,877 On the table. 2558 01:25:43,912 --> 01:25:45,313 They're out of the safes just 2559 01:25:45,347 --> 01:25:46,647 As the pentagon papers are out 2560 01:25:46,681 --> 01:25:47,982 Of the safes, and they're the 2561 01:25:48,016 --> 01:25:49,350 Same kind of facts, and they 2562 01:25:49,384 --> 01:25:53,721 Can't be put back in the safes. 2563 01:25:53,755 --> 01:25:56,690 >> nixon on tape: 2564 01:26:21,316 --> 01:26:24,752 >> because of what dan did and 2565 01:26:24,786 --> 01:26:27,355 The overreaction of an imperial 2566 01:26:27,389 --> 01:26:29,290 President, if you will, to what 2567 01:26:29,324 --> 01:26:32,960 Had happened... It changed 2568 01:26:32,994 --> 01:26:35,029 History. 2569 01:26:42,604 --> 01:26:45,540 It was the cover-up of the 2570 01:26:45,574 --> 01:26:48,142 Ellsberg break-in that concerned 2571 01:26:48,177 --> 01:26:50,144 The white house, and the seeds 2572 01:26:50,179 --> 01:26:52,062 Of all of watergate occur 2573 01:26:52,096 --> 01:26:54,498 In the pentagon papers. 2574 01:26:58,837 --> 01:26:59,837 >> schelling: The greatest 2575 01:26:59,871 --> 01:27:02,773 Result of what he did was to get 2576 01:27:02,808 --> 01:27:04,809 President nixon out of office. 2577 01:27:04,843 --> 01:27:06,009 [chuckling]: That wasn't, 2578 01:27:06,044 --> 01:27:07,912 I'm sure, any part of his 2579 01:27:07,946 --> 01:27:10,214 Expectation or his intention. 2580 01:27:10,248 --> 01:27:13,217 [�...] 2581 01:27:28,233 --> 01:27:30,501 >> falk: What has remained 2582 01:27:30,535 --> 01:27:33,738 Significant about the release 2583 01:27:33,772 --> 01:27:36,874 Of the pentagon papers is the 2584 01:27:36,908 --> 01:27:40,410 Decision by a public official 2585 01:27:40,445 --> 01:27:44,164 To give priority to conscience 2586 01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:46,233 As compared to career. 2587 01:27:46,267 --> 01:27:47,801 >> the fact is that secrets can 2588 01:27:47,835 --> 01:27:49,603 Be held by men in the government 2589 01:27:49,637 --> 01:27:51,405 Whose careers have been spent 2590 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:52,673 Learning how to keep their 2591 01:27:52,707 --> 01:27:53,507 Mouths shut. 2592 01:27:53,542 --> 01:27:54,741 I was one of those. 2593 01:27:54,776 --> 01:27:55,976 >> kehler: If you have somebody 2594 01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:57,545 Who starts with such a 2595 01:27:57,579 --> 01:27:59,680 Background within government 2596 01:27:59,714 --> 01:28:01,148 And who understands what dan 2597 01:28:01,183 --> 01:28:02,550 Understands about how it works 2598 01:28:02,584 --> 01:28:05,619 From the inside and who then 2599 01:28:05,653 --> 01:28:08,489 Continues to speak out, 2600 01:28:08,523 --> 01:28:10,124 Constantly trying to unmask 2601 01:28:10,158 --> 01:28:11,692 The lies and reveal the truth 2602 01:28:11,726 --> 01:28:13,227 So that people can make honest, 2603 01:28:13,261 --> 01:28:14,928 Clear decisions about their own 2604 01:28:14,963 --> 01:28:16,697 Lives and about the life of our 2605 01:28:16,731 --> 01:28:18,432 Nation, the life of the world... 2606 01:28:18,467 --> 01:28:19,700 He is the preeminent 2607 01:28:19,735 --> 01:28:21,068 Whistle-blower in the very best 2608 01:28:21,102 --> 01:28:24,905 And broadest and deepest sense. 2609 01:28:24,939 --> 01:28:27,608 >> we as a people do have 2610 01:28:27,642 --> 01:28:29,877 That power, the power to 2611 01:28:29,911 --> 01:28:31,945 Change ourselves and history. 2612 01:28:31,980 --> 01:28:33,213 We are here today... 2613 01:28:33,248 --> 01:28:34,515 >> krogh: I think the resonance 2614 01:28:34,783 --> 01:28:37,084 That I feel with dan is that he 2615 01:28:37,118 --> 01:28:40,588 Is trying always to do what he 2616 01:28:40,622 --> 01:28:42,790 Thinks is the highest right 2617 01:28:42,825 --> 01:28:44,625 Under the circumstances, 2618 01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:46,461 Regardless of the consequences. 2619 01:28:46,495 --> 01:28:48,329 I was not able to do that 2620 01:28:48,363 --> 01:28:49,764 When I worked in the government. 2621 01:28:49,798 --> 01:28:51,732 I was too tied in to the group 2622 01:28:51,767 --> 01:28:54,518 I was working for. 2623 01:28:54,552 --> 01:28:56,653 But dan does that all the time. 2624 01:28:56,688 --> 01:28:58,205 It's an amazing life the way 2625 01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,308 He has lived it over the last 2626 01:29:00,342 --> 01:29:02,242 30 years since all those things 2627 01:29:02,277 --> 01:29:07,848 Occurred. 2628 01:29:07,882 --> 01:29:10,117 >> zinn: His act had an effect 2629 01:29:10,151 --> 01:29:12,787 On him, a profound effect on him 2630 01:29:12,821 --> 01:29:14,722 And on the rest of his life. 2631 01:29:14,756 --> 01:29:16,857 He was never going to rest easy 2632 01:29:16,891 --> 01:29:19,427 From that point on unless he was 2633 01:29:19,461 --> 01:29:22,229 Part of some movement against 2634 01:29:22,263 --> 01:29:25,232 War and for social justice. 2635 01:29:25,266 --> 01:29:27,067 And so all these years since 2636 01:29:27,101 --> 01:29:28,969 Then, he has acted in the same 2637 01:29:29,003 --> 01:29:31,038 Spirit in which he revealed 2638 01:29:31,072 --> 01:29:34,141 The papers to the nation. 2639 01:29:34,175 --> 01:29:36,109 [�...] 2640 01:29:36,144 --> 01:29:37,478 >> ellsberg: The courage we 2641 01:29:37,512 --> 01:29:40,448 Need is not the courage, the 2642 01:29:40,482 --> 01:29:44,018 Fortitude, to be obedient in 2643 01:29:44,052 --> 01:29:47,170 The service of an unjust war, 2644 01:29:47,205 --> 01:29:50,040 To help conceal lies, to do our 2645 01:29:50,075 --> 01:29:53,060 Job by a boss who has usurped 2646 01:29:53,094 --> 01:29:55,029 Power and is acting as an outlaw 2647 01:29:55,063 --> 01:29:56,030 Government. 2648 01:29:56,064 --> 01:29:58,265 It is the courage at last to 2649 01:29:58,299 --> 01:30:00,768 Face honestly the truth and 2650 01:30:00,802 --> 01:30:03,037 The reality of what we are doing 2651 01:30:03,071 --> 01:30:05,573 In the world and act responsibly 2652 01:30:05,607 --> 01:30:08,042 To change it. 2653 01:30:08,076 --> 01:30:14,114 [�...] 2654 01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:30,497 [helicopter rotors whirring...] 182198

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