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>> man: It was the evening of
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October 1st, 1969 when I first
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Smuggled several hundred pages
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Of top secret documents out of
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My safe at the rand corporation.
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The study contained 47 volumes,
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7,000 pages.
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My plan was to xerox the study
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And reveal the secret history
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Of the vietnam war to the
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American people.
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>> newscaster: The f.B.I. Was
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Trying to find out who gave the
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New york times a copy of the
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Pentagon's secret study...
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>> pow! Like a thunderclap,
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You get the new york times
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Publishing the pentagon papers
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And the country is panicking.
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>> henry kissinger on tape: This
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Is an attack on the whole
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Integrity of government.
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If whole file cabinets can be
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Stolen and then made available
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To the press, you can't have
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Orderly government anymore.
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>> a name has now come out
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As the possible source of the
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Times' pentagon documents.
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It is that of daniel ellsberg,
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A top policy analyst for the
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Defense and state departments.
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>> richard nixon: I think it is
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Time in this country to quit
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Making national heroes out of
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Those who steal secrets and
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Publish them in the newspaper.
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>> in the first year of
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Marriage, we're talking
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About him going to prison
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For the rest of his life.
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>> we felt so strongly that we
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Were dealing with a national
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Security crisis.
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Henry kissinger said that
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Dr. Daniel ellsberg was the
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Most dangerous man in america
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And he had to be stopped.
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>> ellsberg narrating: On the
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Morning of August 4th, 1964,
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I began my first full-time
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Employment in the pentagon,
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Working under secretary of
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Defense robert mcnamara.
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My very first day on the job,
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All hell broke loose.
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...[interviewed]: A courier
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Came running in with a flash
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Cable saying that american
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Warships were under attack
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In the tonkin gulf off the coast
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Of north vietnam.
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And I was getting these because
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My boss was already down the
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Hall with mcnamara picking
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Targets to retaliate against,
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Against north vietnam.
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Minute after minute,
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More cables came in:
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"three torpedoes have been
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Fired... Seven...
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We are taking evasive action."
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At about 1:30 our time comes new
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Cable from the commodore of the
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Two ships: "hold everything," in
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Effect, "all previous reports of
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Torpedoes are in question."
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>> renewed hostile actions
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Against United States ships
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On the high seas in the gulf
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Of tonkin have today required me
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To order the military forces
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Of the United States to take
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Action in reply.
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>> within days, it was
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Clearer and clearer that there
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Had been no attack.
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>> I shall immediately
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Request the congress
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To pass a resolution.
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>> ellsberg narrating: President
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Johnson was determined
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To prevent a communist victory
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In south vietnam.
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He twisted the facts of the
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Tonkin gulf incident to persuade
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Congress to give him unlimited
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Authority to use military force.
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He then launched a war that
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Would last another 11 years.
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>> ...By a number
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Of hostile vessels.
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>> man: Senator fulbright,
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You moved the tonkin resolution
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Through the senate.
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Did you know anything
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About the...
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>> I accepted the story
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Given to us by the president and
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Mr. Mcnamara and mr. Rusk and,
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I believe, general wheeler.
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I had no reason at that time
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And under those circumstances
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To doubt the validity,
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The truthfulness of this
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Whole operation.
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>> we still seek no wider war.
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>> no wider war?
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As I found out day by day in the
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Pentagon, that was our highest
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Priority: Preparing a wider war
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Which we expected to take place
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Immediately after the election.
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>> johnson: It's a war
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That I think ought to be fought
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By the boys of asia to help
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Protect their own land.
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And for that reason, I haven't
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Chosen to enlarge the war.
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>> and that was a conscious lie.
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We all knew that inside
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The government and not one
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Of us told the press
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Or the public or the electorate
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During that election.
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It was a well-kept secret
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By thousands and thousands
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Of people, including me.
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>> woman: Much has been written
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About the war in vietnam, but
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Little has made us understand
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What it is really like.
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My guest today,
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David halberstam...
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...I had a radio program
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That was syndicated
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Across the country.
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I was down in washington, d.C.
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At the time, doing interviews
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Of congressmen and people
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In the government.
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And a mutual friend
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Had offered to host a party on
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My behalf, and he was inviting
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His friends and he said,
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"there's one friend I'll invite,
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But stay away from him.
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He's brilliant but dangerous."
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Meaning that he was quite a
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Ladies' man, having just
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Recently gotten divorced.
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He rang the doorbell,
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And they were those sunken
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Lights from the ceiling,
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And they hit his blue eyes,
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And I just went... [gasps]
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Like this, he was so
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Handsome. [laughs]
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>> ellsberg interviewed: I just
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Above my dating class.
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I worked every Saturday,
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And every Sunday, half a day.
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I did think of calling her up
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When I had my first day off
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From the pentagon.
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And, uh, said, "uh, I have
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Tomorrow off, and would you like
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To go see the cherry blossoms?"
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>> and I said, "no,
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I'm covering the peace rally
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For the radio program."
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>> "this is my first day off,
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I've been working on the war now
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For 70 hours a week and you
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Can't really ask me to spend it
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At an anti-war rally."
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>> crowd chanting: No more war,
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No more war...
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>> ellsberg interviewed: We
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Marched around the white house.
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I was carrying her heavy tape
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Recorder, and I remember
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Thinking, "I hope this is
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Not a still photograph
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In the washington post tomorrow,
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'cause it's gonna be a little
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Hard to explain."
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>> and I bumped into some
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Friends, who were liberal,
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Radical friends, and the husband
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Said, "how can you be going out
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With somebody who's working on
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Vietnam in the pentagon?"
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[whoosh...]
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[explosions]
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>> ellsberg narrating: Early
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About to expand and I was
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One of its planners.
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I had received orders
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From secretary of defense
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Robert mcnamara to gather
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Examples of atrocities
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Perpetrated by the viet cong.
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The secretary hoped such
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Intelligence would convince
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President johnson to launch a
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Opposition to the tactic of
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Bombing the north, but an order
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From mcnamara for fast action
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Was like an order from god.
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I had a whole staff in vietnam
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Collecting data for me.
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I told the colonel on the other
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End of the hotline that it all
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Had to be in for the president
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By seven the next morning.
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I needed details of the
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Atrocities by the viet cong
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Anywhere in vietnam.
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Above all, I wanted gory details
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Of any injuries to americans.
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I told the colonel,
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"I need blood."
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[helicopter blades whirring,
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>> man: In the early '60s,
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Dan ellsberg was a leading,
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If not the leading, uh,
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Young war thinker.
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>> man on loudspeaker: Channel
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[continues indistinctly]
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>> the atomic bomb had changed
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So much and the military knew
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That they needed fresh thinking,
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And they established rand and
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Deliberately located it on the
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West coast of the United States
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So that it would be beyond the
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Reach of anybody in washington
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Who wanted to meddle in it.
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And essentially people were
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Encouraged to think new
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Thoughts, to think big.
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Dan really impressed people.
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Smart, imaginative,
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Good at technical reasoning,
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Good at logic...
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He could collect ideas
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From anywhere... He could read
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Short stories and get ideas.
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>> ellsberg narrating: My work
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At harvard was on decision
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Making under uncertainty.
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At the rand corporation, I was
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Studying the highest-stakes
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Hypothetical gamble in human
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History-- whether or not to
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Launch nuclear missiles on the
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Basis of ambiguous warning.
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>> schelling: He was focused
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On the question: "if you had to
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Go to war, how to do it in the
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Least dangerous way?
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Who would make the decisions,
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How would the decisions get
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Communicated and what were
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The options available
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To the president?"
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[�...]
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>> ellsberg narrating: About
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Four a.M. I got what I was
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Looking for.
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The colonel told me, "we've just
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Gotten info that two american
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Advisors appeared to have been
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Captured and killed."
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I asked for graphic details
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To make it concrete, dramatic.
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The colonel told me that their
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Bodies showed signs of being
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Dragged, perhaps by chains.
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I said, "good, good,
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More like that.
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Wow, jesus, this is it!
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Anything else, anything like
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This anywhere else?"
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This was the only incident
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Of its kind they found.
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It may have been the only one
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In the vietnam war up to that
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Point, involving americans.
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But one was enough
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For my report.
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At 6:30 a.M., I wrapped it up.
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A little after 9:00,
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Mcnamara came back from the
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White house and told my boss
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To thank me for my input.
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It was exactly what he needed.
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[�...]
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...[interviewed]: That's in fact
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The most shameful episode
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I can think of, that I really
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Did, at a critical moment,
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Help mcnamara persuade the
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President by information I gave
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Him that he should start a
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Systematic campaign of bombing,
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To which I was totally opposed.
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>> man: Dan ellsberg felt
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Everything with great intensity,
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But nothing more so than this
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Notion he had of his own
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Culpability for everything
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He had done in the early years
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Of the war.
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[jet engines whining...]
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He had an important role in what
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Became the most ridiculously
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Disproportional bombing campaign
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In the history of the world.
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[whooshing...]
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[explosion]
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[explosion]
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[muffled explosions...]
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Dan was not some passive
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Bureaucratic participant in
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Vietnam; he was a true believer.
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>> ellsberg archival: I saw
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Our involvement in the context
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Of a worldwide conflict with
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Communism, uh, a cold war
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Perspective that I shared with
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Most of my fellow officials.
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>> vietnam, mu nam!
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[crowd cheers]
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Vietnam, mu nam!
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[crowd cheers]
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>> ellsberg interviewed: I
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Accepted the basic premises
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Within the government: That
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Being allied with america
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Was good for you, good for the
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Other people.
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And there was an idealistic
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Aspect to it.
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In vietnam, we were protecting,
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Supposedly, democracy, or the
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Possibility of democracy,
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Against a stalinist
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Dictatorship.
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[helicopter blades whirring]
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I didn't want to watch the war
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To which we were now committed,
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Back in washington;
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I wanted to be there.
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I'd learned in the marine corps
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That to know what's happening,
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You have to be up at
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The front line.
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[�...]
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...[narrating]: At division
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Headquarters, they showed me
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A chart of hundreds of patrols
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Going out every night
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In their zone.
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I actually picked a patrol
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From the chart and it was
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At that point that the officer
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At battalion level informed me
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There were no patrols there,
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Anymore than in the rest
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Of the country.
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The chart was entirely a hoax,
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An illusion, like all the
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Optimistic statistics that had
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Been coming up for years.
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There were no night patrols
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By our vietnamese forces.
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Only the viet cong
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Were out at night.
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They owned the country at night.
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[engines idling,
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Horns honking...]
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>> patricia: We were
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Very much in love.
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>> � you're my dream come true �
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>> I joined dan in vietnam,
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And on that trip,
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He asked me to marry him.
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>> � ...And only...
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You... �
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>> � ah... �
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>> patricia: We went to this
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Party where this was this person
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Who had been in north vietnam
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And was describing the effects
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Of our bombing.
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It was a, just welling-up
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Of a kind of visceral disgust.
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>> ellsberg interviewed: And we
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Left the party.
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Patricia, who'd had some drink
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During it, said...
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>> "how can you be
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Part of this?"
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Because, in some ways,
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He was more part of it
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Than I think he realized.
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>> and I was thinking... [sighs]
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"I'm against the bombing,
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I'm trying to stop all the
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Bombing in south vietnam,
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Trying to do the best I can
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To moderate the killing,
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And I'm not getting any credit
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For that and she's holding me
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Responsible for the whole war."
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>> my accusation of dan, and I
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Think the passion with which it
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Came out, that really caused him
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To close off, because he was
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Saying, "I don't want to be with
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Somebody that is that critical
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Of me, that doesn't see that I'm
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Risking my life to try to stop
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The bombing and trying to bring
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Democracy to the country."
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But he was still buying into the
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Whole zeitgeist of that war.
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The men were that his
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Colleagues, who tended to be
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People in the state department,
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Were actually loving the whole
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Scene of the danger, the risk,
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The adventure, almost like being
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In a john wayne movie or
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Something like that.
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["marines' hymn" playing...]
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>> ellsberg interviewed: I
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Think a lot of people want to
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Join the marines to see
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If they're up to it.
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Never been able to throw
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A hardball, couldn't play
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With guns...
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I wanted to be a soldier,
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So the marines were a chance
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To do that.
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I think I was the only first
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Lieutenant in the 2nd marine
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Division to have a rifle
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Company and I loved being
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A company commander.
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Having the responsibility
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For 211 men, being totally
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In charge of their welfare
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And their training.
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That was the happiest period of
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My life, uh, professionally,
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Looking back on it, still is.
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[�...]
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>> patricia: I left and I could
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Tell he was withdrawn.
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His heart withdrew into a safe
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That I didn't have
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The combination to.
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>> so in my own mind, uh,
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This isn't gonna happen.
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How can I be married to somebody
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Who doesn't give me the benefit
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Of the doubt on this somehow?
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As far as I was concerned,
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The engagement was off.
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[automatic gunfire...]
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>> man: I first met ellsberg
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In the paddy fields
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Of the northern mekong delta
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In mid-1966.
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He had a schmeisser submachine
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Gun in his hand, he was dressed
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In fatigues, and he was
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Attempting to lead an american
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Infantry company on an attack on
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A sniper position in a hamlet.
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Dan ellsberg then was very
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Hawkish and very eager.
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>> man: Was he then a marine?
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>> no, he wasn't,
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He was a civilian.
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[talking over each other]
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I asked him what the devil was
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He doing in the mekong delta
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With a schmeisser
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Machine-pistol.
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He said he had gone there to
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Look at how the war was going.
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He thought it wasn't going
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Very well and he wanted
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To see it go better.
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[�...]
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>> ellsberg narrating: I was
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Walking point with three other
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Men ahead of the main company
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So we could spot an ambush.
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[automatic gunfire...]
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We heard firing from behind us.
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Looking back, I saw two
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Viet cong in ragged shorts
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Firing ak-47s.
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[gunfire...]
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...[archival]: You'd get on that
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Position, there'd be no one
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There and then you'd be hit from
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Another clump, and I believe
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That bands were working us
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Essentially, alternately
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Leapfrogging each other.
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...[narrating]: They must have
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Been lying in the water
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As we walked by and now they
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Were firing at the troops
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Following us.
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We couldn't fire at them
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Because we'd be firing
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At our own troops.
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...[archival]: Now in the course
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Of a day like that,
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You get a very great respect
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For these people who are in
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Effect running circles around
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An american battalion.
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I remember looking up at a
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Sergeant as we lay after about
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The 15th of these incidents
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And saying, "do you ever feel
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Like the redcoats?"
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And he said, "yeah, I've been
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Thinking that all day."
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[�...]
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...[narrating]: I was beginning
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To realize we couldn't beat this
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Enemy in their own backyard.
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We were not going to win.
572
00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:25,387
These guys were not going to
573
00:19:25,421 --> 00:19:35,931
Give up.
574
00:19:35,965 --> 00:19:36,764
...[interviewed]: On the way
575
00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:38,133
Back, which was on mcnamara's
576
00:19:38,167 --> 00:19:39,401
Plane, I'd had the chance to
577
00:19:39,435 --> 00:19:40,802
Give him more than a hundred
578
00:19:40,836 --> 00:19:43,087
Single-spaced pages of my memos.
579
00:19:43,122 --> 00:19:44,256
He sat there and he hadn't
580
00:19:44,290 --> 00:19:45,290
Apparently brought a lot to
581
00:19:45,324 --> 00:19:46,057
Read.
582
00:19:46,091 --> 00:19:47,925
And I had the great bureaucratic
583
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,994
Pleasure of watching my superior
584
00:19:50,029 --> 00:19:52,063
Actually read my papers, and
585
00:19:52,097 --> 00:19:54,166
Not just toss them aside.
586
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,700
So he knew what I was thinking
587
00:19:55,734 --> 00:19:57,101
Very much about the stalemate
588
00:19:57,136 --> 00:20:00,104
In vietnam and the fact that
589
00:20:00,139 --> 00:20:02,240
Things weren't improving.
590
00:20:02,274 --> 00:20:03,441
Toward the end of the flight,
591
00:20:03,475 --> 00:20:04,976
He called me to the rear of
592
00:20:05,011 --> 00:20:06,711
The plane, "dan, I'm having
593
00:20:06,746 --> 00:20:07,746
An argument here.
594
00:20:07,780 --> 00:20:09,080
He says that things are
595
00:20:09,115 --> 00:20:10,348
Improving, that we're making
596
00:20:10,383 --> 00:20:11,416
Progress.
597
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:13,184
And I say things are worse,
598
00:20:13,219 --> 00:20:14,785
Worse than they were a year ago.
599
00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:15,953
You're the one who knows.
600
00:20:15,988 --> 00:20:17,955
What do you say the answer is?"
601
00:20:17,990 --> 00:20:19,441
Said, "well, mr. Secretary,
602
00:20:19,475 --> 00:20:21,342
I'm most impressed with how much
603
00:20:21,376 --> 00:20:23,010
The same things are than a year
604
00:20:23,045 --> 00:20:23,878
Ago."
605
00:20:23,913 --> 00:20:25,279
And he said, "you see, you see?
606
00:20:25,314 --> 00:20:26,448
That's exactly what I'm saying.
607
00:20:26,482 --> 00:20:27,782
We've put another hundred
608
00:20:27,817 --> 00:20:29,216
Thousand troops in there.
609
00:20:29,251 --> 00:20:30,785
Things are exactly, are no
610
00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:31,986
Better, that means they're
611
00:20:32,020 --> 00:20:34,255
Really worse."
612
00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:35,524
We were on the ground,
613
00:20:35,558 --> 00:20:37,326
And mcnamara was going out into
614
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,194
A foggy day and I was behind
615
00:20:39,228 --> 00:20:39,995
Him.
616
00:20:40,029 --> 00:20:41,029
>> robert mcnamara on tape: You
617
00:20:41,063 --> 00:20:42,063
Asked whether I was optimistic
618
00:20:42,098 --> 00:20:43,398
Or pessimistic.
619
00:20:43,432 --> 00:20:45,100
Today I can tell you that
620
00:20:45,134 --> 00:20:46,801
Military progress in the past
621
00:20:46,835 --> 00:20:48,403
12 months has exceeded our
622
00:20:48,437 --> 00:20:49,270
Expectations.
623
00:20:49,305 --> 00:20:51,072
>> he was saying, "gentlemen,
624
00:20:51,107 --> 00:20:52,707
I'm very encouraged by what
625
00:20:52,741 --> 00:20:53,541
I've seen in vietnam.
626
00:20:53,575 --> 00:20:54,876
In every respect things are
627
00:20:54,910 --> 00:20:55,843
Better now.
628
00:20:55,878 --> 00:20:56,777
That we're making progress,
629
00:20:56,812 --> 00:20:57,912
Everything is better.
630
00:20:57,946 --> 00:21:00,432
And I was thinking, "I hope I'm
631
00:21:00,466 --> 00:21:03,769
Never in a job where I have to
632
00:21:03,803 --> 00:21:09,007
Lie like that."
633
00:21:09,041 --> 00:21:09,908
...[narrating]: I learned that
634
00:21:09,942 --> 00:21:11,410
Mcnamara's grave doubts about
635
00:21:11,444 --> 00:21:14,813
The war continued to deepen.
636
00:21:14,847 --> 00:21:16,415
Behind closed doors, he
637
00:21:16,449 --> 00:21:17,482
Recommended pulling back on
638
00:21:17,517 --> 00:21:18,517
The bombing and pushed for
639
00:21:18,551 --> 00:21:21,953
A political settlement.
640
00:21:21,987 --> 00:21:23,555
Johnson rejected mcnamara's
641
00:21:23,589 --> 00:21:25,924
Advice.
642
00:21:25,958 --> 00:21:27,859
>> mcnamara had a sense then,
643
00:21:27,894 --> 00:21:30,178
Very much like people have now,
644
00:21:30,212 --> 00:21:31,579
That this was a tragic blunder,
645
00:21:31,613 --> 00:21:33,247
That we were in the middle of
646
00:21:33,282 --> 00:21:34,549
A catastrophe.
647
00:21:34,583 --> 00:21:36,051
Uh, and that it was important to
648
00:21:36,085 --> 00:21:37,819
Try to understand how we had
649
00:21:37,853 --> 00:21:39,587
Gotten into that catastrophe.
650
00:21:39,621 --> 00:21:40,555
>> ellsberg narrating: In June
651
00:21:40,589 --> 00:21:43,291
Of 1967, mcnamara ordered
652
00:21:43,326 --> 00:21:44,525
A comprehensive study within
653
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,862
The pentagon on the history of
654
00:21:46,896 --> 00:21:49,397
U.S. Involvement in vietnam.
655
00:21:49,431 --> 00:21:50,431
>> we went to the rand
656
00:21:50,466 --> 00:21:51,933
Corporation and recruited the
657
00:21:51,968 --> 00:21:54,035
People there who did historical
658
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:55,603
Studies and of course one of
659
00:21:55,637 --> 00:21:57,004
The people we asked was
660
00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,306
Daniel ellsberg.
661
00:21:58,340 --> 00:21:59,140
>> ellsberg narrating: My
662
00:21:59,175 --> 00:22:00,308
Involvement in the study would
663
00:22:00,342 --> 00:22:02,277
Change my life, and change
664
00:22:02,311 --> 00:22:04,312
History in ways I couldn't have
665
00:22:04,346 --> 00:22:06,614
Imagined.
666
00:22:06,648 --> 00:22:07,549
>> mort halperin: We classified
667
00:22:07,583 --> 00:22:08,883
The pentagon papers study as
668
00:22:08,917 --> 00:22:10,585
Top secret, and every page of
669
00:22:10,619 --> 00:22:12,888
Every study is top secret 'cause
670
00:22:12,922 --> 00:22:14,555
We considered the existence of
671
00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:16,391
The study to be top secret,
672
00:22:16,425 --> 00:22:17,926
But the person we were trying to
673
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,960
Keep it from was not
674
00:22:18,995 --> 00:22:20,461
The vietnamese-- who would not
675
00:22:20,496 --> 00:22:21,629
Have cared at all-- or
676
00:22:21,663 --> 00:22:23,265
The russians or the chinese,
677
00:22:23,299 --> 00:22:25,400
But lyndon johnson.
678
00:22:25,434 --> 00:22:27,268
We feared through the whole
679
00:22:27,303 --> 00:22:29,404
Study that if the president
680
00:22:29,438 --> 00:22:30,972
Found out about it, that he
681
00:22:31,006 --> 00:22:32,773
Would stop it, because johnson
682
00:22:32,808 --> 00:22:35,310
Knew that mcnamara had doubts
683
00:22:35,344 --> 00:22:37,112
About the war and believed that
684
00:22:37,146 --> 00:22:39,180
There were bands of civilians in
685
00:22:39,215 --> 00:22:41,349
The pentagon determined to do
686
00:22:41,384 --> 00:22:42,817
Everything they could to get us
687
00:22:42,851 --> 00:22:44,219
Out of vietnam.
688
00:22:44,253 --> 00:22:46,321
>> I don't want a man in here to
689
00:22:46,355 --> 00:22:49,457
Go back home thinking otherwise.
690
00:22:49,491 --> 00:22:52,693
We are going to win.
691
00:22:52,728 --> 00:22:58,299
[explosions, automatic gunfire]
692
00:22:58,333 --> 00:22:59,133
>> ellsberg narrating: But
693
00:22:59,167 --> 00:23:00,602
Johnson's optimism was about to
694
00:23:00,636 --> 00:23:04,172
Shatter.
695
00:23:04,206 --> 00:23:06,908
On vietnam's new year, 1968,
696
00:23:06,942 --> 00:23:09,110
A massive surprise attack caught
697
00:23:09,144 --> 00:23:10,679
U.S. Troops completely off
698
00:23:10,713 --> 00:23:15,984
Guard.
699
00:23:16,018 --> 00:23:17,168
For the first time, the war
700
00:23:17,202 --> 00:23:18,954
Reached into vietnam's cities
701
00:23:18,988 --> 00:23:23,624
And towns, including saigon.
702
00:23:23,659 --> 00:23:24,993
The tet offensive was a
703
00:23:25,027 --> 00:23:27,062
Devastating blow to u.S. Morale
704
00:23:27,096 --> 00:23:28,963
And the american public began to
705
00:23:28,998 --> 00:23:31,232
Lose faith in the war.
706
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:32,183
>> mike wallace: With a bold
707
00:23:32,217 --> 00:23:33,384
Series of raids during the last
708
00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:35,069
Three days, the enemy in vietnam
709
00:23:35,104 --> 00:23:36,972
Has demolished the myth that
710
00:23:37,006 --> 00:23:38,172
Allied military strength
711
00:23:38,207 --> 00:23:40,074
Controls that country.
712
00:23:40,109 --> 00:23:41,442
The communists hit the very
713
00:23:41,477 --> 00:23:42,243
Heart of saigon...
714
00:23:42,277 --> 00:23:43,111
>> ellsberg narrating: When
715
00:23:43,145 --> 00:23:44,579
Johnson's top general asked for
716
00:23:44,614 --> 00:23:46,631
More troops, the request was
717
00:23:46,665 --> 00:23:49,500
Leaked to the new york times.
718
00:23:49,534 --> 00:23:50,635
The story caused a tremendous
719
00:23:50,669 --> 00:23:52,103
Uproar in congress.
720
00:23:52,138 --> 00:23:53,138
>> henry cabot lodge: I would
721
00:23:53,172 --> 00:23:54,605
Feel that our people were badly
722
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,423
Misguided and did not understand
723
00:23:56,458 --> 00:23:57,725
The consequences of such
724
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,659
A disaster.
725
00:23:58,694 --> 00:24:00,462
>> well, we agree on one thing:
726
00:24:00,496 --> 00:24:01,496
That they can be badly
727
00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:02,464
Misguided, and you and
728
00:24:02,498 --> 00:24:03,731
The president, in my judgment,
729
00:24:03,765 --> 00:24:05,000
Have been misguiding them for
730
00:24:05,034 --> 00:24:06,468
A long time in this war.
731
00:24:06,502 --> 00:24:07,702
>> I realize now that my
732
00:24:07,736 --> 00:24:09,437
Previous attitude had been
733
00:24:09,472 --> 00:24:11,239
Simply mistaken.
734
00:24:11,273 --> 00:24:13,141
That I wasn't discharging my
735
00:24:13,175 --> 00:24:15,710
Responsibilities to the country,
736
00:24:15,744 --> 00:24:18,046
To the constitution, uh, to
737
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,714
The public or to the troops,
738
00:24:19,748 --> 00:24:21,416
By keeping those secrets which
739
00:24:21,450 --> 00:24:23,051
Had led to the escalation of
740
00:24:23,085 --> 00:24:24,252
The war, that that had been
741
00:24:24,286 --> 00:24:24,986
Wrong.
742
00:24:25,021 --> 00:24:26,388
But the question was, what would
743
00:24:26,422 --> 00:24:28,956
Make a difference?
744
00:24:28,991 --> 00:24:29,790
...[narrating]: I met with
745
00:24:29,825 --> 00:24:31,292
Reporter neil sheehan at
746
00:24:31,327 --> 00:24:32,560
The new york times and leaked
747
00:24:32,594 --> 00:24:34,129
Information about a secret
748
00:24:34,163 --> 00:24:35,696
C.I.A. Report on enemy troop
749
00:24:35,731 --> 00:24:39,034
Strength.
750
00:24:39,068 --> 00:24:41,469
The story made the front page.
751
00:24:41,504 --> 00:24:43,171
It was the first time I had gone
752
00:24:43,205 --> 00:24:45,006
Outside official channels to
753
00:24:45,041 --> 00:24:55,350
Affect the conduct of the war.
754
00:24:55,384 --> 00:25:07,628
[playing chopin...]
755
00:25:07,663 --> 00:25:08,796
>> judith ehrlich: Dan, when did
756
00:25:08,830 --> 00:25:10,731
You start playing the piano?
757
00:25:10,766 --> 00:25:12,233
>> oh, when I was five till
758
00:25:12,268 --> 00:25:13,401
I was about 15.
759
00:25:13,436 --> 00:25:14,436
>> ehrlich: And how serious were
760
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:15,403
You at the time?
761
00:25:15,438 --> 00:25:16,737
>> well, I spent all my time
762
00:25:16,772 --> 00:25:18,673
Playing then for 10 years and
763
00:25:18,707 --> 00:25:20,808
Then didn't play for another 40.
764
00:25:20,842 --> 00:25:21,576
[laughs]
765
00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:22,810
>> ehrlich: What happened?
766
00:25:22,844 --> 00:25:24,863
>> uh, my mother died, and she
767
00:25:24,897 --> 00:25:26,564
Was the one who wanted me to be
768
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,133
A concert pianist.
769
00:25:29,167 --> 00:25:33,437
On July 4th, 1946, we were
770
00:25:33,472 --> 00:25:35,507
Traveling to denver, going
771
00:25:35,541 --> 00:25:38,710
Through the cornfields of iowa,
772
00:25:38,744 --> 00:25:40,077
Very hot day, in the middle of
773
00:25:40,346 --> 00:25:41,229
The day, and my father
774
00:25:41,263 --> 00:25:43,114
Fell asleep at the wheel,
775
00:25:43,148 --> 00:25:45,399
And the car went off the road
776
00:25:45,434 --> 00:25:47,702
Into a culvert-- a wall rising
777
00:25:47,736 --> 00:25:49,303
By the side of the road, and
778
00:25:49,338 --> 00:25:50,839
Sheared off the side of the car
779
00:25:50,873 --> 00:25:52,239
Where my mother and sister were
780
00:25:52,274 --> 00:25:54,191
Sitting and killed my mother
781
00:25:54,226 --> 00:26:04,068
And sister.
782
00:26:04,102 --> 00:26:05,470
I was on the other side behind
783
00:26:05,504 --> 00:26:06,804
The driver, so I got
784
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,508
A concussion and a broken knee.
785
00:26:10,542 --> 00:26:13,110
And I was in a coma for 36 hours
786
00:26:13,144 --> 00:26:14,512
And then in the hospital for
787
00:26:14,546 --> 00:26:17,114
About 3-1/2 months.
788
00:26:17,148 --> 00:26:21,151
So, um, I think it did probably
789
00:26:21,186 --> 00:26:23,721
Leave, uh, the impression on me
790
00:26:23,756 --> 00:26:25,423
That, uh, someone you loved,
791
00:26:25,457 --> 00:26:27,091
Like my father, or respected,
792
00:26:27,125 --> 00:26:30,094
An authority, could fall asleep
793
00:26:30,128 --> 00:26:32,296
At the wheel, and, um, had to be
794
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:34,164
Watched, not because they were
795
00:26:34,199 --> 00:26:36,734
Bad, but because they were
796
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:38,469
Inattentive perhaps to
797
00:26:38,504 --> 00:26:39,737
The risks.
798
00:26:39,772 --> 00:26:44,758
[�...]
799
00:26:44,793 --> 00:26:46,160
11 months earlier, when I was
800
00:26:46,195 --> 00:26:48,162
14, hiroshima had been
801
00:26:48,197 --> 00:26:50,331
Destroyed, and nagasaki.
802
00:26:50,365 --> 00:26:52,133
I was very concerned about this
803
00:26:52,168 --> 00:26:53,784
Turn of human events.
804
00:26:53,819 --> 00:26:57,271
I thought it was very ominous.
805
00:26:57,306 --> 00:27:00,124
What I saw as a moral, extremely
806
00:27:00,158 --> 00:27:02,627
Questionable act by our
807
00:27:02,661 --> 00:27:03,795
President-- whom I admired,
808
00:27:03,829 --> 00:27:06,163
Harry truman-- got confounded in
809
00:27:06,197 --> 00:27:09,901
My mind with my father's failure
810
00:27:09,935 --> 00:27:11,669
To stay alert and allowing
811
00:27:11,703 --> 00:27:13,638
The car to kill my mother and
812
00:27:13,672 --> 00:27:17,875
Sister.
813
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:21,178
>> I shall not seek...
814
00:27:21,212 --> 00:27:23,981
And I will not accept...
815
00:27:24,015 --> 00:27:25,716
The nomination of my party for
816
00:27:25,751 --> 00:27:27,919
Another term as your president.
817
00:27:27,953 --> 00:27:29,170
>> richard nixon: Never has so
818
00:27:29,205 --> 00:27:30,471
Much power been used so
819
00:27:30,505 --> 00:27:32,373
Ineffectively as in vietnam.
820
00:27:32,407 --> 00:27:33,307
>> ellsberg narrating: Support
821
00:27:33,342 --> 00:27:34,942
For the war was plummeting after
822
00:27:34,976 --> 00:27:36,927
Tet, and johnson withdrew from
823
00:27:36,962 --> 00:27:39,230
The 1968 presidential race.
824
00:27:39,265 --> 00:27:40,265
>> richard nixon: I pledge to
825
00:27:40,299 --> 00:27:42,333
You, we shall have an honorable
826
00:27:42,368 --> 00:27:44,835
End to the war in vietnam.
827
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:45,736
>> ellsberg narrating: Richard
828
00:27:45,771 --> 00:27:47,539
Nixon won the election promising
829
00:27:47,573 --> 00:27:49,374
Peace with honor.
830
00:27:49,408 --> 00:27:50,908
The public had been led to
831
00:27:50,942 --> 00:27:51,775
Believe that he had a secret
832
00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:55,546
Plan to end the war.
833
00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:56,580
...Henry kissinger was then
834
00:27:56,614 --> 00:27:58,249
Talking about the need to get
835
00:27:58,283 --> 00:28:00,651
Out of vietnam with a decent
836
00:28:00,685 --> 00:28:01,485
Interval.
837
00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:02,736
Now that was quite a radical
838
00:28:02,771 --> 00:28:03,804
Point of view for an
839
00:28:03,838 --> 00:28:05,239
Establishment person at that
840
00:28:05,274 --> 00:28:05,973
Time.
841
00:28:06,007 --> 00:28:07,975
To say, we should be out and all
842
00:28:08,009 --> 00:28:09,377
We ask is that they not
843
00:28:09,411 --> 00:28:10,778
Embarrass us by taking it over
844
00:28:10,812 --> 00:28:12,380
Immediately.
845
00:28:12,414 --> 00:28:14,882
That led in me, but in nearly
846
00:28:14,916 --> 00:28:16,484
Everybody, to the false
847
00:28:16,518 --> 00:28:18,286
Impression that presumably nixon
848
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,753
Agreed with it.
849
00:28:19,788 --> 00:28:21,322
Nixon didn't agree with that
850
00:28:21,356 --> 00:28:22,723
For a minute.
851
00:28:22,757 --> 00:28:27,895
[�...]
852
00:28:27,929 --> 00:28:30,864
I had given a set of options to
853
00:28:30,899 --> 00:28:33,501
Kissinger I'd drafted at rand.
854
00:28:33,535 --> 00:28:34,802
Six or seven alternative
855
00:28:34,836 --> 00:28:36,704
Approaches in vietnam to
856
00:28:36,738 --> 00:28:38,172
Consider at his first national
857
00:28:38,207 --> 00:28:39,240
Security council meeting
858
00:28:39,274 --> 00:28:42,009
With nixon.
859
00:28:42,043 --> 00:28:44,278
And he at one point said, "dan,
860
00:28:44,313 --> 00:28:46,864
You don't have a 'win' option."
861
00:28:46,898 --> 00:28:48,699
And I said, "well, I don't think
862
00:28:48,733 --> 00:28:50,701
There is a 'win' option."
863
00:28:50,735 --> 00:28:51,769
I said, "you could double
864
00:28:51,803 --> 00:28:52,970
The number of troops and that
865
00:28:53,005 --> 00:28:53,871
Would keep things quieter,
866
00:28:53,906 --> 00:28:55,739
But until they left.
867
00:28:55,774 --> 00:28:57,574
You could use nuclear weapons
868
00:28:57,609 --> 00:28:58,943
And kill all the people.
869
00:28:58,977 --> 00:29:01,545
I wouldn't call that a win.
870
00:29:01,579 --> 00:29:03,314
So there just, as far as I see,
871
00:29:03,348 --> 00:29:07,418
Is no way to win."
872
00:29:07,452 --> 00:29:10,288
I took that opportunity to tell
873
00:29:10,322 --> 00:29:12,890
Him something that I'd long
874
00:29:12,924 --> 00:29:14,492
Thought of telling somebody who
875
00:29:14,526 --> 00:29:17,395
Was about to enter the world of
876
00:29:17,429 --> 00:29:21,266
Really high secrecy.
877
00:29:21,300 --> 00:29:23,033
And I said, "henry, you're about
878
00:29:23,068 --> 00:29:25,336
To get a lot of clearances
879
00:29:25,371 --> 00:29:27,639
Higher than top secret, that you
880
00:29:27,673 --> 00:29:29,741
Did not know existed.
881
00:29:29,775 --> 00:29:31,309
That's going to have a sequence
882
00:29:31,343 --> 00:29:33,378
Of effects on you.
883
00:29:33,412 --> 00:29:35,813
First, a great exhilaration that
884
00:29:35,847 --> 00:29:37,047
You're getting all this amazing
885
00:29:37,082 --> 00:29:38,349
Information that you didn't know
886
00:29:38,384 --> 00:29:39,884
Even existed.
887
00:29:39,918 --> 00:29:41,286
And the next phase is you'll
888
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,321
Feel like a fool for not having
889
00:29:43,355 --> 00:29:44,955
Known of any of this.
890
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:47,325
But that won't last long.
891
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,327
Very soon, you'll come to think
892
00:29:49,361 --> 00:29:51,629
That everyone else is foolish.
893
00:29:51,664 --> 00:29:52,830
'what would this expert be
894
00:29:52,864 --> 00:29:54,799
Telling me if he knew what
895
00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:57,402
I knew?'
896
00:29:57,436 --> 00:29:59,370
So in the end, you stop
897
00:29:59,405 --> 00:30:04,809
Listening to them."
898
00:30:04,843 --> 00:30:05,676
>> mort halperin: I think
899
00:30:05,711 --> 00:30:07,377
Everybody thought that nixon
900
00:30:07,412 --> 00:30:08,813
Had been elected to end the war
901
00:30:08,847 --> 00:30:10,081
And was gonna end the war.
902
00:30:10,115 --> 00:30:11,933
And it became very clear to me
903
00:30:11,967 --> 00:30:15,270
That, uh, he was not.
904
00:30:15,304 --> 00:30:16,371
>> ellsberg: Mort halperin was
905
00:30:16,405 --> 00:30:17,572
Working for kissinger in
906
00:30:17,606 --> 00:30:18,906
The white house.
907
00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:21,058
In the late summer of '69, mort
908
00:30:21,093 --> 00:30:23,978
Told me, "he's staying in, and
909
00:30:24,012 --> 00:30:26,747
He's threatening escalation."
910
00:30:35,457 --> 00:30:44,582
[�...]
911
00:30:44,616 --> 00:30:45,516
>> ellsberg narrating: In August
912
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:47,785
Of 1969, I read the earliest
913
00:30:47,819 --> 00:30:49,487
Parts of the mcnamara study
914
00:30:49,521 --> 00:30:52,957
For the first time.
915
00:30:52,992 --> 00:30:54,025
Seeing the war from its
916
00:30:54,059 --> 00:30:55,826
Beginning affected me more than
917
00:30:55,861 --> 00:30:57,862
I thought possible.
918
00:30:57,896 --> 00:30:59,363
It changed my whole sense of
919
00:30:59,397 --> 00:31:02,933
The legitimacy of the war.
920
00:31:02,968 --> 00:31:04,468
What I learned was that it was
921
00:31:04,502 --> 00:31:06,754
An american war from the start.
922
00:31:06,788 --> 00:31:07,905
President truman financed
923
00:31:07,939 --> 00:31:09,540
The french to retake its former
924
00:31:09,575 --> 00:31:12,376
Colony, even though he knew the
925
00:31:12,411 --> 00:31:13,411
French were fighting a national
926
00:31:13,712 --> 00:31:15,129
Movement that had the support of
927
00:31:15,163 --> 00:31:16,096
The people.
928
00:31:16,131 --> 00:31:17,632
>> the cost of defending
929
00:31:17,666 --> 00:31:19,901
Freedom, of defending america,
930
00:31:19,935 --> 00:31:22,437
Must be paid in many forms and
931
00:31:22,471 --> 00:31:23,504
In many places.
932
00:31:23,539 --> 00:31:24,505
>> ellsberg narrating:
933
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:25,473
Eisenhower supported a brutal
934
00:31:25,507 --> 00:31:27,074
Dictator in canceling elections
935
00:31:27,108 --> 00:31:29,577
Called for by the 1954 geneva
936
00:31:29,945 --> 00:31:31,078
Accords.
937
00:31:31,113 --> 00:31:32,946
So we opposed elections while
938
00:31:32,981 --> 00:31:35,616
Pretending to support democracy.
939
00:31:35,650 --> 00:31:37,017
>> we are attempting to help
940
00:31:37,051 --> 00:31:38,419
Vietnam maintain its
941
00:31:38,453 --> 00:31:39,653
Independence and not fall
942
00:31:39,687 --> 00:31:40,521
Under the domination
943
00:31:40,555 --> 00:31:41,455
Of the communists.
944
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:42,156
>> ellsberg narrating: Kennedy
945
00:31:42,190 --> 00:31:43,557
Lied to the public and to
946
00:31:43,592 --> 00:31:44,958
Congress, saying we would need
947
00:31:44,993 --> 00:31:46,994
Only advisors, even though his
948
00:31:47,028 --> 00:31:48,829
Own military experts told him
949
00:31:48,864 --> 00:31:50,531
That south vietnam would be lost
950
00:31:50,566 --> 00:31:52,032
Without an immediate commitment
951
00:31:52,067 --> 00:31:55,102
Of american combat units.
952
00:31:55,136 --> 00:31:58,038
>> we still seek no wider war.
953
00:31:58,073 --> 00:31:59,073
>> ellsberg narrating: I now saw
954
00:31:59,107 --> 00:32:00,207
That johnson was continuing
955
00:32:00,241 --> 00:32:02,977
A pattern of presidential lying.
956
00:32:03,011 --> 00:32:04,946
Each president wanted to avoid
957
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:06,848
The stigma of losing indochina
958
00:32:06,882 --> 00:32:10,217
To communism on his watch.
959
00:32:10,251 --> 00:32:11,686
It wasn't that we were on
960
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,220
The wrong side.
961
00:32:13,254 --> 00:32:16,557
We were the wrong side.
962
00:32:16,592 --> 00:32:18,960
It was a crime from the start,
963
00:32:18,994 --> 00:32:20,795
Carried out by four presidents
964
00:32:20,829 --> 00:32:23,180
As revealed in this study.
965
00:32:23,214 --> 00:32:24,715
And now a fifth president was
966
00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:26,216
Doing the same with no end
967
00:32:26,251 --> 00:32:30,220
In sight.
968
00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:31,456
The hundreds of thousands
969
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:33,023
We were killing was unjustified
970
00:32:33,058 --> 00:32:35,726
Homicide, and I couldn't see
971
00:32:35,761 --> 00:32:37,528
The difference between that and
972
00:32:37,563 --> 00:32:40,481
Murder.
973
00:32:40,515 --> 00:32:48,055
Murder had to be stopped.
974
00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:53,060
>> richard nixon on tape:
975
00:32:57,665 --> 00:33:03,771
>> henry kissinger on tape:
976
00:33:11,046 --> 00:33:12,146
>> janaki tschannerl: He came
977
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:15,216
From an enormously powerful
978
00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:19,220
War-bureaucratic machine.
979
00:33:19,254 --> 00:33:23,707
And so his thinking came from
980
00:33:23,741 --> 00:33:28,312
The entrails of that machine.
981
00:33:28,346 --> 00:33:30,664
He had begun to question his own
982
00:33:30,699 --> 00:33:31,532
Past activities.
983
00:33:31,566 --> 00:33:32,733
You know, "what did I do?
984
00:33:32,768 --> 00:33:34,869
Where was I going, what is
985
00:33:34,903 --> 00:33:36,303
The meaning of that picture with
986
00:33:36,337 --> 00:33:42,610
The rifle in my hand?"
987
00:33:42,644 --> 00:33:43,544
>> ellsberg interviewed: I went
988
00:33:43,578 --> 00:33:45,312
To a conference to meet people
989
00:33:45,346 --> 00:33:47,448
Who were using non-violent
990
00:33:47,482 --> 00:33:51,585
Resistance in their lives.
991
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:53,019
A friend of mine told me that
992
00:33:53,054 --> 00:33:54,755
He had been a trotskyist,
993
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:56,624
A labor organizer.
994
00:33:56,658 --> 00:33:58,158
And I thought, how does one
995
00:33:58,192 --> 00:33:59,760
Come to be a trotskyist?
996
00:33:59,795 --> 00:34:00,961
He said, "oh, it's like anything
997
00:34:00,995 --> 00:34:02,930
Else, I met a girl."
998
00:34:02,964 --> 00:34:05,332
And it's the way it is.
999
00:34:05,366 --> 00:34:08,001
So, I met a girl from india
1000
00:34:08,036 --> 00:34:10,570
Who had been a gandhian.
1001
00:34:10,605 --> 00:34:12,006
I hear her saying to someone
1002
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,741
Else, at some point, "I come
1003
00:34:14,776 --> 00:34:16,277
From a culture in which we have
1004
00:34:16,311 --> 00:34:18,578
No concept of enemy."
1005
00:34:18,613 --> 00:34:20,014
And it seemed to me you could
1006
00:34:20,048 --> 00:34:21,315
No more do without the concept
1007
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:22,683
Of enemy than without the
1008
00:34:22,717 --> 00:34:25,786
Concept of zero in arithmetic.
1009
00:34:25,821 --> 00:34:29,256
>> I read into his questioning,
1010
00:34:29,291 --> 00:34:31,591
A real wanting to know,
1011
00:34:31,626 --> 00:34:33,660
And a real wanting to know
1012
00:34:33,695 --> 00:34:36,263
Because he had seen certain
1013
00:34:36,298 --> 00:34:38,299
Things that he didn't like
1014
00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:40,367
And that he didn't want to have
1015
00:34:40,401 --> 00:34:42,669
Continued in the world.
1016
00:34:42,704 --> 00:34:45,005
And so that was the kind of link
1017
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,640
I think with what we were all
1018
00:34:46,674 --> 00:34:49,844
Trying to do.
1019
00:34:49,878 --> 00:34:50,777
>> ellsberg interviewed: I found
1020
00:34:50,812 --> 00:34:52,980
Myself handing out leaflets in
1021
00:34:53,014 --> 00:34:54,381
This long vigil line.
1022
00:34:54,415 --> 00:34:56,350
And at first, I simply felt
1023
00:34:56,384 --> 00:34:58,986
Ridiculous.
1024
00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:01,621
I felt that you could see
1025
00:35:01,656 --> 00:35:02,756
The words on my forehead
1026
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:04,658
Practically: "what am I doing
1027
00:35:04,692 --> 00:35:05,659
Here?"
1028
00:35:05,693 --> 00:35:07,527
And "what is this about?"
1029
00:35:07,562 --> 00:35:08,963
I knew that if any of my
1030
00:35:08,997 --> 00:35:10,397
Colleagues at rand or
1031
00:35:10,431 --> 00:35:12,333
The pentagon were somehow to
1032
00:35:12,367 --> 00:35:14,634
Catch word of my doing this,
1033
00:35:14,669 --> 00:35:19,840
They would think I had gone mad.
1034
00:35:19,874 --> 00:35:21,642
Those that impressed me on
1035
00:35:21,676 --> 00:35:24,711
The importance of being willing
1036
00:35:24,746 --> 00:35:28,082
To pay a cost yourself were some
1037
00:35:28,116 --> 00:35:29,283
Young men who were going to
1038
00:35:29,317 --> 00:35:31,419
Prison by refusing to cooperate
1039
00:35:31,453 --> 00:35:33,287
With the draft.
1040
00:35:33,321 --> 00:35:35,956
One young man, randy kehler,
1041
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:38,759
Was giving a talk.
1042
00:35:38,793 --> 00:35:41,762
>> within that crowd of people,
1043
00:35:42,064 --> 00:35:44,848
I was introduced to this fellow
1044
00:35:44,883 --> 00:35:47,017
From a background that didn't
1045
00:35:47,051 --> 00:35:48,352
Quite fit with the others...
1046
00:35:48,387 --> 00:35:50,721
[laughs] and that was dan.
1047
00:35:50,756 --> 00:35:52,156
>> and he talked very personally
1048
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:53,991
About what had led him to leave
1049
00:35:54,025 --> 00:35:55,693
Stanford and join the war
1050
00:35:55,727 --> 00:35:57,194
Resister's league office.
1051
00:35:57,228 --> 00:35:59,330
>> if you can imagine a
1052
00:35:59,364 --> 00:36:04,402
25-year-old about to go to trial
1053
00:36:04,436 --> 00:36:06,737
Having been indicted on five
1054
00:36:06,772 --> 00:36:08,673
Counts, each one of which had a
1055
00:36:08,707 --> 00:36:12,042
Maximum sentence of five years.
1056
00:36:12,076 --> 00:36:13,443
>> and as he was telling this,
1057
00:36:13,478 --> 00:36:14,778
He said, "yesterday our friend
1058
00:36:14,813 --> 00:36:18,115
Bob went to jail," and his voice
1059
00:36:18,149 --> 00:36:20,350
Broke a little at this.
1060
00:36:20,385 --> 00:36:21,886
And then he said, "a week ago,
1061
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,687
David harris," who's the husband
1062
00:36:23,722 --> 00:36:27,124
Of joan baez, "went to prison."
1063
00:36:27,158 --> 00:36:28,458
And he said, "and I'm really
1064
00:36:28,493 --> 00:36:31,094
Happy that I'll be joining them.
1065
00:36:31,129 --> 00:36:32,112
But I'm not worried because
1066
00:36:32,146 --> 00:36:33,580
I know that the rest of you
1067
00:36:33,615 --> 00:36:36,483
Will be carrying on."
1068
00:36:36,518 --> 00:36:38,719
So by this time, everybody was
1069
00:36:38,753 --> 00:36:40,754
Standing and just clapping,
1070
00:36:40,789 --> 00:36:42,022
But-- and crying.
1071
00:36:42,056 --> 00:36:44,759
And I was crying.
1072
00:36:44,793 --> 00:36:47,227
And I left the auditorium and I
1073
00:36:47,262 --> 00:36:48,429
Found a men's room that was
1074
00:36:48,463 --> 00:36:51,031
Deserted, sat on the tile floor
1075
00:36:51,065 --> 00:36:53,167
Just sobbing, hysterically
1076
00:36:53,201 --> 00:36:54,968
Crying for just-- sobbing for
1077
00:36:55,003 --> 00:36:57,305
A long time, for over an hour.
1078
00:36:57,339 --> 00:36:58,372
And I had these various
1079
00:36:58,407 --> 00:37:01,141
Thoughts, but one of the
1080
00:37:01,176 --> 00:37:04,095
Thoughts was, "the best thing
1081
00:37:04,129 --> 00:37:07,331
That the best young men of our
1082
00:37:07,365 --> 00:37:11,468
Country can do is go to prison."
1083
00:37:11,503 --> 00:37:12,736
When I heard you say these
1084
00:37:12,771 --> 00:37:14,805
Words, "I'm going to prison,"
1085
00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:17,140
It was as if an axe had split
1086
00:37:17,175 --> 00:37:18,809
My head.
1087
00:37:18,843 --> 00:37:21,779
But... [emotionally]
1088
00:37:21,813 --> 00:37:23,380
But what had really happened was
1089
00:37:23,414 --> 00:37:27,785
That my life had split in two.
1090
00:37:27,819 --> 00:37:29,453
And it was my life after
1091
00:37:29,487 --> 00:37:31,088
Those words that I've lived
1092
00:37:31,122 --> 00:37:39,262
Ever since.
1093
00:37:39,297 --> 00:37:41,999
...And eventually, I got up
1094
00:37:42,033 --> 00:37:43,767
And washed my face, and then
1095
00:37:43,802 --> 00:37:45,903
I think I cried some more,
1096
00:37:45,937 --> 00:37:48,973
And then I thought, "o.K., now
1097
00:37:49,007 --> 00:37:50,507
What can I do to help end
1098
00:37:50,541 --> 00:37:53,477
This war, now that I'm ready to
1099
00:37:53,511 --> 00:37:54,478
Go to prison?"
1100
00:37:54,512 --> 00:37:55,512
[faint conversation
1101
00:37:55,546 --> 00:38:01,568
And laughter...]
1102
00:38:01,602 --> 00:38:02,435
...This trick is called
1103
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:07,507
The square circle.
1104
00:38:07,542 --> 00:38:16,283
Square...
1105
00:38:16,317 --> 00:38:17,317
>> tom oliphant: One of the
1106
00:38:17,351 --> 00:38:20,821
Things that stood out about dan
1107
00:38:20,855 --> 00:38:23,991
Was how severe dan's judgments
1108
00:38:24,025 --> 00:38:26,927
Were about himself.
1109
00:38:26,961 --> 00:38:29,063
More than most people I had met,
1110
00:38:29,097 --> 00:38:31,198
It seemed to me he was still,
1111
00:38:31,232 --> 00:38:33,867
As a relatively recent convert,
1112
00:38:33,902 --> 00:38:35,803
He was still sort of transfixed
1113
00:38:35,837 --> 00:38:37,938
By this question, "how could I
1114
00:38:37,972 --> 00:38:39,639
Have done what I did?"
1115
00:38:39,674 --> 00:38:41,391
>> ellsberg: O.K.?
1116
00:38:41,425 --> 00:38:42,726
>> oliphant: And slowly
1117
00:38:42,761 --> 00:38:44,928
He began filling in the blanks
1118
00:38:44,963 --> 00:38:48,298
Of this thing I had never
1119
00:38:48,332 --> 00:38:50,167
Heard of: "the study."
1120
00:38:50,201 --> 00:38:51,535
Now, I obviously didn't believe
1121
00:38:51,569 --> 00:38:54,371
In magic potions, but clearly he
1122
00:38:54,405 --> 00:38:56,406
Was referring to something that
1123
00:38:56,441 --> 00:38:58,408
Was so definitive that it was
1124
00:38:58,443 --> 00:39:07,684
Capable of changing your view.
1125
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,989
[�...]
1126
00:39:12,023 --> 00:39:13,456
>> man: Dan was headed toward
1127
00:39:13,491 --> 00:39:15,592
Walking through the door
1128
00:39:15,627 --> 00:39:17,794
Of being a radical,
1129
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:20,664
But he would always take half,
1130
00:39:20,698 --> 00:39:22,632
He would always go halfway.
1131
00:39:27,072 --> 00:39:29,707
Back at the rand corporation,
1132
00:39:29,741 --> 00:39:31,341
He sought me out.
1133
00:39:31,375 --> 00:39:32,977
He said he wanted me to brief
1134
00:39:33,011 --> 00:39:37,314
Him on intelligence in vietnam,
1135
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:39,917
U.S. Military intelligence.
1136
00:39:39,951 --> 00:39:41,318
And so I said, "o.K., have
1137
00:39:41,353 --> 00:39:42,720
A seat."
1138
00:39:42,754 --> 00:39:43,987
...All the vietnamese have ever
1139
00:39:44,022 --> 00:39:45,989
Wanted is self-determination,
1140
00:39:46,024 --> 00:39:46,957
Really.
1141
00:39:46,991 --> 00:39:47,758
>> ellsberg interviewed: He'd
1142
00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:49,226
Been in vietnam for a couple of
1143
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:50,527
Years and had a much more
1144
00:39:50,561 --> 00:39:51,795
Radical view of the war than
1145
00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:53,697
I did at that point.
1146
00:39:53,732 --> 00:39:55,332
And I talked to him quite a bit
1147
00:39:55,366 --> 00:39:56,533
At rand and I liked him.
1148
00:39:56,567 --> 00:39:58,235
He's a very likeable person.
1149
00:39:58,269 --> 00:39:59,919
Very forthcoming, very funny,
1150
00:39:59,954 --> 00:40:01,488
Very, very smart.
1151
00:40:01,523 --> 00:40:02,689
>> he had sort of given up
1152
00:40:02,723 --> 00:40:05,292
All his old cohorts at the rand
1153
00:40:05,326 --> 00:40:08,061
Corporation and was hanging out
1154
00:40:08,095 --> 00:40:09,563
With me.
1155
00:40:09,597 --> 00:40:11,798
He was in my office every day.
1156
00:40:11,832 --> 00:40:13,433
And we'd go out to dinner
1157
00:40:13,468 --> 00:40:14,801
And we'd double date.
1158
00:40:14,835 --> 00:40:16,537
And people were buzzing about
1159
00:40:16,571 --> 00:40:18,605
It, because he had been one of
1160
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,107
The top dogs.
1161
00:40:21,142 --> 00:40:22,042
>> he did reports that
1162
00:40:22,076 --> 00:40:24,378
Ultimately got him fired, uh,
1163
00:40:24,412 --> 00:40:27,163
About torture and various other
1164
00:40:27,198 --> 00:40:29,899
Reports that they didn't like.
1165
00:40:29,934 --> 00:40:32,336
After he left rand, he talked
1166
00:40:32,370 --> 00:40:34,204
About lies in the studies he had
1167
00:40:34,238 --> 00:40:35,706
Done, lying that had gone on.
1168
00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:37,307
I said I knew of a study,
1169
00:40:37,341 --> 00:40:38,508
Had been reading a study that
1170
00:40:38,543 --> 00:40:41,478
Revealed very high-level lying.
1171
00:40:41,512 --> 00:40:42,379
>> I said, "dan, you should
1172
00:40:42,413 --> 00:40:44,147
Leak that to the press."
1173
00:40:44,181 --> 00:40:54,758
[�...]
1174
00:40:54,792 --> 00:40:55,492
>> ellsberg narrating: Keeping
1175
00:40:55,526 --> 00:40:57,093
Silent in public about what
1176
00:40:57,128 --> 00:40:58,729
I had read and heard made me
1177
00:40:58,763 --> 00:41:01,598
An accomplice.
1178
00:41:01,633 --> 00:41:03,133
It was not only they who had
1179
00:41:03,167 --> 00:41:05,034
Kept all these decisions quiet,
1180
00:41:05,069 --> 00:41:07,437
Hidden from the american public.
1181
00:41:07,472 --> 00:41:12,876
I had kept them quiet.
1182
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:14,311
My motives, to be sure, were
1183
00:41:14,345 --> 00:41:16,813
Initially those of an observer,
1184
00:41:16,847 --> 00:41:18,315
A rand social scientist
1185
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:19,783
Interested in understanding
1186
00:41:19,817 --> 00:41:21,184
The internal processes of
1187
00:41:21,218 --> 00:41:23,119
Government.
1188
00:41:23,154 --> 00:41:24,321
But my role was one of
1189
00:41:24,355 --> 00:41:26,456
A participant, even when I acted
1190
00:41:26,491 --> 00:41:29,192
As an internal critic.
1191
00:41:29,226 --> 00:41:30,960
Having expressed my objections,
1192
00:41:30,995 --> 00:41:34,164
I stayed in place, observed,
1193
00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:36,733
Took part-- in short, I did
1194
00:41:36,768 --> 00:41:43,039
The jobs assigned to me.
1195
00:41:43,073 --> 00:41:45,041
Henry david thoreau said,
1196
00:41:45,075 --> 00:41:47,577
"cast your whole vote, not
1197
00:41:47,612 --> 00:41:49,479
A strip of paper merely,
1198
00:41:49,514 --> 00:41:52,582
But your whole influence."
1199
00:41:52,617 --> 00:41:53,983
What if I were willing to give
1200
00:41:54,018 --> 00:41:55,852
Up my top secret clearance,
1201
00:41:55,886 --> 00:41:57,921
My career, my privileged access
1202
00:41:57,955 --> 00:42:00,590
To decision makers?
1203
00:42:00,625 --> 00:42:03,059
What if I gave all that up?
1204
00:42:03,093 --> 00:42:04,561
What if I were willing to risk
1205
00:42:04,595 --> 00:42:11,501
Prosecution?
1206
00:42:11,536 --> 00:42:12,336
...[interviewed]: Then I thought
1207
00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:14,371
All right, I have in my safe
1208
00:42:14,405 --> 00:42:16,906
Thousands of pages of documents
1209
00:42:16,941 --> 00:42:21,345
That give the lie to this
1210
00:42:21,379 --> 00:42:22,612
Pattern of deception.
1211
00:42:22,647 --> 00:42:24,715
I'm not going to be part of this
1212
00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:28,768
System of lying anymore.
1213
00:42:28,803 --> 00:42:31,305
So, I went and saw tony,
1214
00:42:31,339 --> 00:42:32,739
And I said to him, "you know
1215
00:42:32,773 --> 00:42:34,575
That study I mentioned, I have
1216
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:36,610
It and I'm ready to put it out,
1217
00:42:36,644 --> 00:42:38,312
I'm gonna put it out now.
1218
00:42:38,346 --> 00:42:39,413
Can you help me?"
1219
00:42:39,447 --> 00:42:40,847
>> "can you find
1220
00:42:40,882 --> 00:42:42,415
A xerox machine?"
1221
00:42:42,449 --> 00:42:43,250
I said, "I've got
1222
00:42:43,284 --> 00:42:45,218
The very place."
1223
00:42:45,253 --> 00:42:56,746
[�...]
1224
00:42:56,781 --> 00:42:57,747
>> ellsberg narrating: I began
1225
00:42:57,782 --> 00:42:59,733
Xeroxing the mcnamara study
1226
00:42:59,767 --> 00:43:05,038
In the fall of 1969.
1227
00:43:05,072 --> 00:43:06,239
At the end of the day,
1228
00:43:06,273 --> 00:43:07,674
Working at rand, I would put
1229
00:43:07,709 --> 00:43:08,942
Several volumes into my
1230
00:43:08,976 --> 00:43:12,612
Briefcase to take with me.
1231
00:43:12,647 --> 00:43:14,047
Walking past the security
1232
00:43:14,081 --> 00:43:16,016
Guards, I could feel my heart
1233
00:43:16,050 --> 00:43:17,985
Beating.
1234
00:43:18,019 --> 00:43:19,252
I couldn't help thinking about
1235
00:43:19,487 --> 00:43:20,620
The dozen or so secrecy
1236
00:43:20,655 --> 00:43:21,989
Agreements I had signed over
1237
00:43:22,023 --> 00:43:23,456
The course of my career in
1238
00:43:23,692 --> 00:43:26,994
Government.
1239
00:43:27,028 --> 00:43:29,997
The task seemed endless.
1240
00:43:30,031 --> 00:43:30,931
I often worked through
1241
00:43:30,965 --> 00:43:32,882
The night.
1242
00:43:32,917 --> 00:43:34,284
Early in the morning, I returned
1243
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:35,953
The papers to my safe at rand
1244
00:43:35,987 --> 00:43:40,307
And headed home.
1245
00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:41,141
...[interviewed]: I'd get back
1246
00:43:41,176 --> 00:43:42,759
To my house on a little narrow
1247
00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:45,328
Beach in malibu.
1248
00:43:45,362 --> 00:43:47,263
I loved to bodysurf and I would
1249
00:43:47,298 --> 00:43:48,999
Go in every morning, uh, before
1250
00:43:49,033 --> 00:43:50,901
I went to bed.
1251
00:43:50,935 --> 00:43:52,903
And I remember at some point
1252
00:43:52,937 --> 00:43:56,139
During this, being in the waves,
1253
00:43:56,173 --> 00:43:58,041
In the sunlight, and looking
1254
00:43:58,076 --> 00:43:59,710
Back at the hills in malibu
1255
00:43:59,744 --> 00:44:02,195
And the waves which I loved,
1256
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:03,997
And thinking, "how can I be
1257
00:44:04,032 --> 00:44:05,399
Doing this, how can I be giving
1258
00:44:05,433 --> 00:44:09,436
All this up?"
1259
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:11,938
>> I was 13 at the time.
1260
00:44:11,972 --> 00:44:13,206
He said there was a secret
1261
00:44:13,241 --> 00:44:14,574
History of the vietnam war
1262
00:44:14,608 --> 00:44:15,608
That he'd been reading,
1263
00:44:15,643 --> 00:44:17,310
And he had a copy of this.
1264
00:44:17,345 --> 00:44:19,179
And he had decided that he
1265
00:44:19,213 --> 00:44:22,082
Wanted to make a copy of it and
1266
00:44:22,116 --> 00:44:23,517
Make it available to congress.
1267
00:44:23,551 --> 00:44:26,053
He described it in terms of
1268
00:44:26,087 --> 00:44:27,320
Civil disobedience.
1269
00:44:27,355 --> 00:44:28,588
Would I help him?
1270
00:44:28,622 --> 00:44:29,589
I didn't suppose that he
1271
00:44:29,623 --> 00:44:31,258
Literally needed my help,
1272
00:44:31,292 --> 00:44:32,259
But that this was something
1273
00:44:32,293 --> 00:44:34,444
Risky and very important to him.
1274
00:44:34,478 --> 00:44:36,546
And it was important to him that
1275
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,715
I be a part of it some way.
1276
00:44:38,749 --> 00:44:39,917
And I think that very afternoon,
1277
00:44:39,951 --> 00:44:41,852
We began copying the pentagon
1278
00:44:41,886 --> 00:44:43,770
Papers.
1279
00:44:43,805 --> 00:44:44,437
>> ellsberg interviewed: The
1280
00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:45,872
Children were in-between on this
1281
00:44:45,907 --> 00:44:47,507
When I-- in a way that I didn't
1282
00:44:47,541 --> 00:44:48,809
Realize.
1283
00:44:48,843 --> 00:44:50,644
Their mother, my former wife,
1284
00:44:50,678 --> 00:44:52,178
Really thought that I'd done
1285
00:44:52,213 --> 00:44:54,113
Something very bad and had
1286
00:44:54,148 --> 00:44:56,450
Involved her children in it.
1287
00:44:56,484 --> 00:44:57,584
Whereas, my thought was that
1288
00:44:57,618 --> 00:44:59,653
I'd given them a chance to be in
1289
00:44:59,687 --> 00:45:05,642
On something quite historic.
1290
00:45:05,676 --> 00:45:07,044
Well, I didn't know when I'd be
1291
00:45:07,078 --> 00:45:08,245
Stopped, and I thought it would
1292
00:45:08,279 --> 00:45:09,612
Be within a matter of weeks,
1293
00:45:09,647 --> 00:45:11,014
And that I might never see my
1294
00:45:11,049 --> 00:45:12,782
Children again except through
1295
00:45:12,817 --> 00:45:15,719
Thick glass.
1296
00:45:15,753 --> 00:45:18,188
I wanted my son, who was 13,
1297
00:45:18,223 --> 00:45:21,091
To see that I was doing this
1298
00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:22,092
Because I thought it was
1299
00:45:22,126 --> 00:45:23,493
The right thing to do and doing
1300
00:45:23,527 --> 00:45:24,995
It in a straightforward manner,
1301
00:45:25,029 --> 00:45:26,696
That I hadn't gone crazy.
1302
00:45:26,731 --> 00:45:32,486
[�...]
1303
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,053
There was a night where mary,
1304
00:45:34,088 --> 00:45:35,589
My daughter, who was only 10,
1305
00:45:35,623 --> 00:45:36,590
Got into it.
1306
00:45:36,624 --> 00:45:37,557
She complained about being
1307
00:45:37,591 --> 00:45:40,426
Left in the car, so she came up.
1308
00:45:40,461 --> 00:45:42,996
So, I gave her a job to do.
1309
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:46,766
Tony was copying and robert was
1310
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,186
Collating and mary was cutting
1311
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:50,887
"top secret" off the top and
1312
00:45:50,922 --> 00:45:52,789
Bottom of the pages.
1313
00:45:52,824 --> 00:45:54,024
>> just working away, when all
1314
00:45:54,058 --> 00:45:56,026
Of a sudden there was a knock
1315
00:45:56,060 --> 00:45:57,594
On the door.
1316
00:45:57,628 --> 00:45:58,328
>> ellsberg interviewed: There
1317
00:45:58,363 --> 00:45:59,579
Was a knock on the door,
1318
00:45:59,614 --> 00:46:01,381
The glass door next to me, and I
1319
00:46:01,416 --> 00:46:03,183
See two large blue-uniformed
1320
00:46:03,217 --> 00:46:04,317
Policemen.
1321
00:46:04,352 --> 00:46:05,952
>> and there was an l.A.P.D.
1322
00:46:05,986 --> 00:46:08,188
Standing there.
1323
00:46:08,222 --> 00:46:09,322
And I said to myself,
1324
00:46:09,357 --> 00:46:11,158
"these guys are really good."
1325
00:46:11,192 --> 00:46:12,492
>> so they saw this family
1326
00:46:12,527 --> 00:46:13,860
Scene, you know, of my
1327
00:46:13,894 --> 00:46:15,162
10-year-old daughter and
1328
00:46:15,196 --> 00:46:17,230
13-year-old son.
1329
00:46:17,265 --> 00:46:19,199
I sort of casually covered
1330
00:46:19,233 --> 00:46:21,100
The mach... I took the lid and I
1331
00:46:21,135 --> 00:46:23,570
Put it over the top secret stuff
1332
00:46:23,604 --> 00:46:25,639
On this and cleared up a little
1333
00:46:25,673 --> 00:46:27,307
And then opened the door.
1334
00:46:27,341 --> 00:46:28,308
>> uh, they said, "you know,
1335
00:46:28,342 --> 00:46:29,609
Your alarm's gone off again,"
1336
00:46:29,643 --> 00:46:30,843
And he said, "oh, I'm sorry,
1337
00:46:30,878 --> 00:46:32,245
I gotta learn how to figure out
1338
00:46:32,279 --> 00:46:33,079
How to do that."
1339
00:46:33,114 --> 00:46:34,481
And they said, "o.K., you know,
1340
00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:35,115
Be more careful."
1341
00:46:35,149 --> 00:46:35,948
>> tony russo: I thought,
1342
00:46:35,983 --> 00:46:36,949
There was the guy looking
1343
00:46:36,984 --> 00:46:38,751
Through the window at me,
1344
00:46:38,785 --> 00:46:40,420
At the crime of the century,
1345
00:46:40,454 --> 00:46:43,089
"crime" in quotes, of course.
1346
00:46:43,124 --> 00:46:46,192
And, uh, didn't realize it, went
1347
00:46:46,227 --> 00:46:48,461
Right on, never realized it,
1348
00:46:48,496 --> 00:46:52,499
Never heard from him again.
1349
00:46:52,533 --> 00:47:00,340
[�...]
1350
00:47:00,374 --> 00:47:01,341
>> ellsberg narrating: The study
1351
00:47:01,375 --> 00:47:05,145
Was 47 volumes, 7,000 pages.
1352
00:47:05,179 --> 00:47:06,546
It would take me months of
1353
00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:11,751
Xeroxing.
1354
00:47:11,785 --> 00:47:15,255
I put my hopes in congress.
1355
00:47:15,289 --> 00:47:16,623
I took the papers to the most
1356
00:47:16,657 --> 00:47:19,492
Outspoken critics of the war.
1357
00:47:19,527 --> 00:47:20,627
Surely they would embrace these
1358
00:47:20,661 --> 00:47:21,878
Revelations and would want to
1359
00:47:21,912 --> 00:47:24,247
Make them public.
1360
00:47:24,282 --> 00:47:25,715
...The people that I needed to
1361
00:47:25,749 --> 00:47:27,584
Talk or somehow to reach were
1362
00:47:27,618 --> 00:47:29,252
The ones who had been saying
1363
00:47:29,287 --> 00:47:30,453
They had been against the war
1364
00:47:30,488 --> 00:47:31,421
For years.
1365
00:47:31,455 --> 00:47:32,689
Years while I was supporting
1366
00:47:32,723 --> 00:47:34,757
The war, longer than me.
1367
00:47:34,792 --> 00:47:35,958
Who said that they saw through
1368
00:47:35,993 --> 00:47:37,360
The war, that they saw that it
1369
00:47:37,395 --> 00:47:38,628
Was wrong, and what I wanted
1370
00:47:38,663 --> 00:47:40,564
Them to do now, and what I still
1371
00:47:40,598 --> 00:47:41,964
Want them to do, and what they
1372
00:47:41,999 --> 00:47:45,435
Still can do, is to act.
1373
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:47,270
...[narrating]: But no one did.
1374
00:47:47,305 --> 00:47:48,405
Meanwhile the war was
1375
00:47:48,439 --> 00:47:50,807
Escalating.
1376
00:47:50,841 --> 00:47:51,774
Then I heard congressman
1377
00:47:51,809 --> 00:47:54,544
Pete mccloskey give a speech.
1378
00:47:54,578 --> 00:47:55,512
>> I said, "I think they're
1379
00:47:55,546 --> 00:47:56,513
Not telling us the truth
1380
00:47:56,547 --> 00:47:57,514
About vietnam," and I told
1381
00:47:57,548 --> 00:47:58,715
Some of the things I had
1382
00:47:58,749 --> 00:48:00,017
Just seen a month earlier.
1383
00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:01,218
>> ellsberg interviewed: He had
1384
00:48:01,252 --> 00:48:02,619
Come back and revealed
1385
00:48:02,653 --> 00:48:04,721
Information about the secret
1386
00:48:04,755 --> 00:48:06,323
Bombing of laos.
1387
00:48:06,357 --> 00:48:08,258
Here was a u.S. Representative
1388
00:48:08,292 --> 00:48:10,494
Using the word "lies."
1389
00:48:10,528 --> 00:48:11,695
So I thought, "all right, here's
1390
00:48:11,729 --> 00:48:14,163
A man with the guts then to use
1391
00:48:14,198 --> 00:48:15,832
Some documentation."
1392
00:48:15,867 --> 00:48:16,800
>> and somebody handed me
1393
00:48:16,834 --> 00:48:17,801
A note.
1394
00:48:17,835 --> 00:48:19,102
The note said, "you're right,
1395
00:48:19,136 --> 00:48:20,837
I have information that will
1396
00:48:20,872 --> 00:48:22,205
Document what you're saying."
1397
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,373
>> ellsberg interviewed: And he
1398
00:48:23,291 --> 00:48:24,624
Said he'd like to discuss it
1399
00:48:24,659 --> 00:48:26,058
With me but that he was shortly
1400
00:48:26,093 --> 00:48:27,794
Leaving and if I was willing to
1401
00:48:27,828 --> 00:48:29,529
Come with him, we could talk
1402
00:48:29,563 --> 00:48:31,230
About it on the way.
1403
00:48:31,265 --> 00:48:32,748
So to show how desperate I was
1404
00:48:32,783 --> 00:48:34,384
At this point, I was paying for
1405
00:48:34,418 --> 00:48:35,685
A trip to california just to
1406
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,438
Talk with this representative.
1407
00:48:38,472 --> 00:48:39,906
>> mccloskey: And he had a
1408
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:41,474
Passion about him, an intensity,
1409
00:48:41,509 --> 00:48:43,009
I guess is the best way I'd
1410
00:48:43,043 --> 00:48:43,710
Describe it.
1411
00:48:43,744 --> 00:48:45,312
He didn't smile much.
1412
00:48:45,346 --> 00:48:46,513
He was deadly serious wanting me
1413
00:48:46,547 --> 00:48:49,015
To understand these documents.
1414
00:48:49,049 --> 00:48:50,367
>> I thought then and I think
1415
00:48:50,401 --> 00:48:53,136
More now than before, that
1416
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:55,738
Documents had a power to be
1417
00:48:55,773 --> 00:48:57,240
Taken seriously and to attract
1418
00:48:57,275 --> 00:49:00,093
Attention that nothing else did.
1419
00:49:00,127 --> 00:49:00,927
>> mccloskey: I think all
1420
00:49:00,962 --> 00:49:02,329
Of us, knowing that they were
1421
00:49:02,363 --> 00:49:04,630
Top secret, were not sure what
1422
00:49:04,665 --> 00:49:05,882
Our rights were with respect to
1423
00:49:05,916 --> 00:49:08,117
Top secret documents.
1424
00:49:08,152 --> 00:49:09,152
But those papers were
1425
00:49:09,186 --> 00:49:11,755
A revelation and I testified in
1426
00:49:11,789 --> 00:49:13,056
Front of the fulbright committee
1427
00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:14,791
And afterwards I went up to him
1428
00:49:14,826 --> 00:49:15,658
And I said, "senator, I've got
1429
00:49:15,692 --> 00:49:17,059
A set of papers here that if
1430
00:49:17,094 --> 00:49:18,261
They were known to the public,
1431
00:49:18,295 --> 00:49:20,062
Would cause public opinion to
1432
00:49:20,097 --> 00:49:21,797
Turn against the war."
1433
00:49:21,832 --> 00:49:23,933
Well, he said, "yeah, I got
1434
00:49:23,967 --> 00:49:25,435
A set too."
1435
00:49:25,469 --> 00:49:26,586
>> man: There obviously
1436
00:49:26,621 --> 00:49:28,755
Was a kind of culture of
1437
00:49:28,789 --> 00:49:30,790
Timidity in congress,
1438
00:49:30,825 --> 00:49:34,227
A deference to the executive
1439
00:49:34,261 --> 00:49:36,763
Branch and a fear of being
1440
00:49:36,797 --> 00:49:38,631
Called unpatriotic.
1441
00:49:38,666 --> 00:49:41,000
A fear of being accused of
1442
00:49:41,034 --> 00:49:42,969
Revealing military secrets
1443
00:49:43,003 --> 00:49:44,136
And so on.
1444
00:49:44,171 --> 00:49:45,438
And that this culture was so
1445
00:49:45,473 --> 00:49:47,841
Strong that even senators and
1446
00:49:47,875 --> 00:49:48,842
Congressmen who were against
1447
00:49:48,876 --> 00:49:51,711
The war didn't want to do
1448
00:49:51,746 --> 00:49:53,212
Anything with the papers that
1449
00:49:53,247 --> 00:49:56,866
Dan ellsberg offered them.
1450
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:01,821
[�...]
1451
00:50:01,855 --> 00:50:02,972
>> ellsberg interviewed: I had
1452
00:50:02,974 --> 00:50:04,090
Told my former wife
1453
00:50:04,124 --> 00:50:05,859
What I was doing.
1454
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:07,727
She had told her stepmother,
1455
00:50:07,761 --> 00:50:09,429
Who had then told the f.B.I.,
1456
00:50:09,463 --> 00:50:10,663
It turned out.
1457
00:50:10,698 --> 00:50:12,932
And the f.B.I. Then came
1458
00:50:12,966 --> 00:50:14,233
To harry rowen.
1459
00:50:14,268 --> 00:50:16,636
As president of rand, he had
1460
00:50:16,670 --> 00:50:18,154
Been involved in getting me
1461
00:50:18,189 --> 00:50:20,690
Access to the pentagon papers.
1462
00:50:20,724 --> 00:50:22,692
His impression at the time was
1463
00:50:22,726 --> 00:50:24,494
That I had not broken any law
1464
00:50:24,528 --> 00:50:27,197
If I had given it to the senate,
1465
00:50:27,231 --> 00:50:29,131
That they had a right to see it.
1466
00:50:29,166 --> 00:50:30,900
But I expected the f.B.I.
1467
00:50:30,934 --> 00:50:32,735
To come down on me very shortly
1468
00:50:32,769 --> 00:50:47,383
After that.
1469
00:50:47,418 --> 00:50:48,218
>> patricia: He had really
1470
00:50:48,252 --> 00:50:49,752
Radically changed in his view
1471
00:50:49,786 --> 00:50:51,521
Of the war, and I knew that,
1472
00:50:51,555 --> 00:50:54,307
I knew he'd changed.
1473
00:50:54,341 --> 00:50:56,008
In the first year of marriage,
1474
00:50:56,043 --> 00:50:57,209
We're talking about him going to
1475
00:50:57,244 --> 00:50:59,979
Prison for the rest of life.
1476
00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:01,247
He gave me a number of
1477
00:51:01,281 --> 00:51:03,115
The papers to read.
1478
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:05,351
And as I was reading it,
1479
00:51:05,385 --> 00:51:09,456
I was horrified by the coldness,
1480
00:51:09,490 --> 00:51:11,758
The calculatedness, and in
1481
00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:13,827
Particular, the language of
1482
00:51:13,861 --> 00:51:15,094
The torturers.
1483
00:51:15,128 --> 00:51:18,498
There were quotes saying,
1484
00:51:18,532 --> 00:51:20,533
"we'll give the north vietnamese
1485
00:51:20,568 --> 00:51:22,902
One more turn of the screw."
1486
00:51:22,937 --> 00:51:24,938
Or "let's try the water drop
1487
00:51:24,972 --> 00:51:26,539
Technique."
1488
00:51:26,574 --> 00:51:27,540
And I was thinking,
1489
00:51:27,575 --> 00:51:28,875
"what is this?
1490
00:51:28,909 --> 00:51:30,309
How can the leaders of our
1491
00:51:30,344 --> 00:51:31,811
Country be talking in this
1492
00:51:31,846 --> 00:51:35,548
Language and then misleading
1493
00:51:35,583 --> 00:51:37,867
The american public?"
1494
00:51:37,901 --> 00:51:41,338
And then I just started to cry.
1495
00:51:41,372 --> 00:51:44,608
Because I knew that he really
1496
00:51:44,642 --> 00:51:47,110
Had to give them out.
1497
00:51:47,144 --> 00:51:48,528
And so there were tears in my
1498
00:51:48,563 --> 00:51:50,163
Eyes and I came out and I just
1499
00:51:50,198 --> 00:51:51,898
Said, "do it."
1500
00:51:51,932 --> 00:52:02,291
[�...]
1501
00:52:02,326 --> 00:52:03,493
>> man: I walked into this hotel
1502
00:52:03,527 --> 00:52:05,127
Room where he and I holed up,
1503
00:52:05,162 --> 00:52:07,414
And neil says, "rick, look at
1504
00:52:07,448 --> 00:52:09,416
What we've got!"
1505
00:52:09,450 --> 00:52:11,451
I mean, it was just staggering.
1506
00:52:11,485 --> 00:52:14,136
The raw, top secret,
1507
00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:15,338
Eyes-only documents.
1508
00:52:15,372 --> 00:52:17,507
From earle wheeler to general
1509
00:52:17,541 --> 00:52:18,975
Westmoreland, from johnson
1510
00:52:19,009 --> 00:52:20,076
To taylor.
1511
00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:21,444
You could go back and see,
1512
00:52:21,479 --> 00:52:23,847
Yes, kennedy did send in troops
1513
00:52:23,881 --> 00:52:25,582
In violation of the geneva
1514
00:52:25,616 --> 00:52:27,883
Accord, yes, johnson did start
1515
00:52:27,918 --> 00:52:29,452
The buildup before he said
1516
00:52:29,486 --> 00:52:30,303
He was going to.
1517
00:52:30,337 --> 00:52:32,305
I remember writing this story.
1518
00:52:32,339 --> 00:52:33,472
These guys were lying through
1519
00:52:33,507 --> 00:52:34,373
Their teeth when they were
1520
00:52:34,408 --> 00:52:36,075
Talking to us, and here it is
1521
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:37,544
In black and white, there's no
1522
00:52:37,578 --> 00:52:39,913
Way of denying it!
1523
00:52:39,947 --> 00:52:40,713
>> man: The editors
1524
00:52:40,748 --> 00:52:42,348
Immediately understood that this
1525
00:52:42,382 --> 00:52:44,150
Thing was so sensitive and was
1526
00:52:44,184 --> 00:52:45,552
Going to have to be kept under
1527
00:52:45,586 --> 00:52:48,054
Wraps, and so they decided to
1528
00:52:48,088 --> 00:52:49,623
Move the whole thing out of
1529
00:52:49,657 --> 00:52:51,157
The new york times offices
1530
00:52:51,191 --> 00:52:53,609
And to go and rent a suite
1531
00:52:53,643 --> 00:52:55,811
At the hilton.
1532
00:52:55,846 --> 00:52:56,979
>> there were a lot of
1533
00:52:57,013 --> 00:52:58,214
Difficult, important decisions
1534
00:52:58,248 --> 00:53:00,483
To be made, and we needed to
1535
00:53:00,517 --> 00:53:02,318
Know the material in order to
1536
00:53:02,353 --> 00:53:03,653
Make those decisions, and that
1537
00:53:03,687 --> 00:53:04,787
Took time.
1538
00:53:04,822 --> 00:53:05,755
And ellsberg couldn't
1539
00:53:05,789 --> 00:53:07,557
Understand... [laughs]
1540
00:53:07,591 --> 00:53:08,625
Ellsberg was constantly
1541
00:53:08,659 --> 00:53:10,092
Pressing, he always wanted to
1542
00:53:10,127 --> 00:53:11,327
Know: When was the times gonna
1543
00:53:11,361 --> 00:53:11,928
Run this?
1544
00:53:11,962 --> 00:53:13,229
Was the times really gonna
1545
00:53:13,263 --> 00:53:13,963
Run this?
1546
00:53:13,998 --> 00:53:15,164
Was it really gonna be big?
1547
00:53:15,198 --> 00:53:16,900
When was it gonna happen?
1548
00:53:16,934 --> 00:53:18,434
>> as a source, I sort of
1549
00:53:18,468 --> 00:53:20,269
Thought of myself as being on
1550
00:53:20,303 --> 00:53:21,871
The team somehow, you know,
1551
00:53:21,906 --> 00:53:23,840
And that we were a joint first
1552
00:53:23,874 --> 00:53:26,175
Amendment, informing the public
1553
00:53:26,209 --> 00:53:27,844
Kind of mission and, uh,
1554
00:53:27,878 --> 00:53:30,046
You know, working together.
1555
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,714
They clearly didn't think of me
1556
00:53:31,749 --> 00:53:33,215
In that way.
1557
00:53:33,551 --> 00:53:34,467
>> once somebody gave us
1558
00:53:34,501 --> 00:53:36,269
Material, it was our job to
1559
00:53:36,303 --> 00:53:38,104
Determine what to do with it,
1560
00:53:38,139 --> 00:53:40,206
How to play it, what to use,
1561
00:53:40,241 --> 00:53:41,875
Whether or not to use it.
1562
00:53:41,909 --> 00:53:54,354
[�...]
1563
00:53:54,388 --> 00:53:56,255
>> zinn: May '71,
1564
00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:58,224
There was a planned
1565
00:53:58,258 --> 00:53:59,859
Demonstration in washington
1566
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:01,494
For people to commit acts of
1567
00:54:01,528 --> 00:54:02,495
Civil disobedience--
1568
00:54:02,529 --> 00:54:05,198
To block streets and to block
1569
00:54:05,232 --> 00:54:07,433
Bridges, to do everything
1570
00:54:07,468 --> 00:54:09,936
Possible to disrupt life in
1571
00:54:09,970 --> 00:54:12,138
Washington in order to
1572
00:54:12,173 --> 00:54:16,058
Demonstrate the anger against
1573
00:54:16,093 --> 00:54:18,127
The war.
1574
00:54:18,161 --> 00:54:19,662
In other words, the intensity of
1575
00:54:19,697 --> 00:54:22,766
Feeling about the war had grown.
1576
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,934
So a number of us gathered in
1577
00:54:24,968 --> 00:54:26,235
My apartment.
1578
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:27,837
Noam chomsky and dan ellsberg
1579
00:54:27,872 --> 00:54:30,172
And I, we went to washington
1580
00:54:30,207 --> 00:54:32,208
And we formed ourselves as an
1581
00:54:32,242 --> 00:54:33,643
Affinity group.
1582
00:54:33,677 --> 00:54:35,412
And dan ellsberg was, you might
1583
00:54:35,446 --> 00:54:37,146
Say, our squad leader.
1584
00:54:37,415 --> 00:54:39,098
He took command and he was
1585
00:54:39,132 --> 00:54:40,300
Telling us when to get up
1586
00:54:40,334 --> 00:54:41,967
And when to sit down and when to
1587
00:54:42,002 --> 00:54:43,836
Move and where to move, and
1588
00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:46,506
He was very decisive and we
1589
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:49,008
Followed his orders.
1590
00:54:49,042 --> 00:54:51,077
Not exactly a democratic
1591
00:54:51,111 --> 00:54:51,777
Situation.
1592
00:54:51,812 --> 00:54:53,879
[siren wailing]
1593
00:54:53,914 --> 00:54:56,282
We would sit down in the middle
1594
00:54:56,317 --> 00:54:58,385
Of the street, tear gas would be
1595
00:54:58,419 --> 00:55:00,687
Lobbed in our direction and we
1596
00:55:00,721 --> 00:55:05,040
Would, uh, run... [laughs]
1597
00:55:05,075 --> 00:55:07,476
The national guard was out and
1598
00:55:07,511 --> 00:55:10,146
The 101st airborne had descended
1599
00:55:10,180 --> 00:55:11,747
On washington.
1600
00:55:11,781 --> 00:55:14,717
The level of anti-war activity
1601
00:55:14,752 --> 00:55:16,152
Had been raised.
1602
00:55:16,186 --> 00:55:24,878
[�...]
1603
00:55:24,912 --> 00:55:25,979
>> smith: Should we do it,
1604
00:55:26,013 --> 00:55:27,046
Shouldn't we do it?
1605
00:55:27,081 --> 00:55:28,481
And neil and I, after we got
1606
00:55:28,515 --> 00:55:29,949
A feel for what was in there,
1607
00:55:29,984 --> 00:55:31,818
Argued that we could go ahead;
1608
00:55:31,852 --> 00:55:33,319
That this would not jeopardize
1609
00:55:33,353 --> 00:55:34,754
National security and indeed it
1610
00:55:34,788 --> 00:55:36,022
Was a public service.
1611
00:55:36,056 --> 00:55:37,890
>> all I knew was they had
1612
00:55:37,924 --> 00:55:39,858
A bunch of classified papers.
1613
00:55:39,893 --> 00:55:41,461
And the question for me
1614
00:55:41,495 --> 00:55:42,661
As a lawyer is, "can you
1615
00:55:42,696 --> 00:55:43,929
Publish classified papers?"
1616
00:55:43,964 --> 00:55:47,149
The law here is the statute
1617
00:55:47,184 --> 00:55:48,651
Called the espionage act.
1618
00:55:48,686 --> 00:55:50,186
And if you read it and
1619
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:51,887
Stretched it and pushed it,
1620
00:55:51,921 --> 00:55:53,856
It was possible to apply it
1621
00:55:53,890 --> 00:55:55,158
To the publication of the
1622
00:55:55,192 --> 00:55:57,443
Pentagon papers.
1623
00:55:57,477 --> 00:55:58,277
>> smith: Now, we're sitting
1624
00:55:58,311 --> 00:55:59,579
There down in the engine room
1625
00:55:59,613 --> 00:56:01,246
Doing the work, we're not up at
1626
00:56:01,281 --> 00:56:02,481
The corporate hierarchy, but
1627
00:56:02,515 --> 00:56:04,367
We're hearing, we're hearing the
1628
00:56:04,401 --> 00:56:06,435
Battles going on up there, and
1629
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:08,237
We hear that, of course the news
1630
00:56:08,271 --> 00:56:09,405
Comes to us because we're
1631
00:56:09,439 --> 00:56:11,073
At risk too, that the law firm
1632
00:56:11,108 --> 00:56:12,642
The times had used for decades
1633
00:56:12,676 --> 00:56:14,460
Said, "don't publish, and by
1634
00:56:14,494 --> 00:56:15,561
The way, you're all violating
1635
00:56:15,596 --> 00:56:16,596
The espionage act and you're
1636
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:17,696
Gonna go to jail."
1637
00:56:17,731 --> 00:56:19,898
Believe me, we heard that.
1638
00:56:20,134 --> 00:56:22,168
And happily, jim goodale,
1639
00:56:22,202 --> 00:56:24,170
As the times' in-house attorney,
1640
00:56:24,204 --> 00:56:25,905
Took a different position.
1641
00:56:25,940 --> 00:56:27,840
>> the risk that the new york
1642
00:56:27,874 --> 00:56:30,476
Times took was a life-and-death
1643
00:56:30,511 --> 00:56:32,378
Risk of an institution.
1644
00:56:32,413 --> 00:56:34,180
And I don't mean the 5,000
1645
00:56:34,214 --> 00:56:35,714
People who worked for the times.
1646
00:56:35,749 --> 00:56:37,967
I mean, the leader
1647
00:56:38,001 --> 00:56:39,702
Of the institutional press
1648
00:56:39,736 --> 00:56:40,937
In a free country.
1649
00:56:40,971 --> 00:56:43,022
>> lurking in the backs of our
1650
00:56:43,056 --> 00:56:45,525
Minds was the fact that, um,
1651
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:48,094
We would never survive, uh,
1652
00:56:48,128 --> 00:56:50,563
Just suppressing this material,
1653
00:56:50,598 --> 00:56:51,798
That, sooner or later,
1654
00:56:51,832 --> 00:56:53,766
It would be known that we had it
1655
00:56:53,801 --> 00:56:55,334
And that we had flinched and
1656
00:56:55,369 --> 00:56:56,769
That we had not published it,
1657
00:56:56,804 --> 00:56:58,337
And that that would have been
1658
00:56:58,372 --> 00:56:59,739
Such a disgrace.
1659
00:56:59,773 --> 00:57:01,657
>> and we heard the publisher
1660
00:57:01,691 --> 00:57:02,959
Wavered back and forth and then
1661
00:57:02,993 --> 00:57:05,128
Finally, about 10 days,
1662
00:57:05,162 --> 00:57:06,562
While we're gearing up
1663
00:57:06,596 --> 00:57:07,797
This enormous... What are we
1664
00:57:07,831 --> 00:57:09,098
Publishing, gone with the wind
1665
00:57:09,133 --> 00:57:10,699
Three times over in 10 days?
1666
00:57:10,734 --> 00:57:12,685
I mean, this was a huge project.
1667
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,820
Um, we finally hear the
1668
00:57:14,855 --> 00:57:16,122
Publisher had signed off and was
1669
00:57:16,156 --> 00:57:17,423
Gonna agree to do it.
1670
00:57:17,458 --> 00:57:19,825
And I remember that jimmy
1671
00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:20,993
Greenfield told us he was
1672
00:57:21,027 --> 00:57:22,928
Taking the publisher golfing
1673
00:57:22,962 --> 00:57:25,798
On Saturday, which was the
1674
00:57:25,832 --> 00:57:27,400
Day the presses ran,
1675
00:57:27,434 --> 00:57:28,668
To make sure the publisher
1676
00:57:28,702 --> 00:57:30,820
Didn't change his mind.
1677
00:57:30,854 --> 00:57:31,988
>> zinn: I guess it was
1678
00:57:32,022 --> 00:57:33,356
A Saturday night.
1679
00:57:33,390 --> 00:57:34,857
The four of us, dan and pat
1680
00:57:34,891 --> 00:57:36,692
Ellsberg and my wife, decided
1681
00:57:36,726 --> 00:57:38,394
We'd go to the movies to see a
1682
00:57:38,429 --> 00:57:39,462
Movie that dan ellsberg, I
1683
00:57:39,496 --> 00:57:41,064
Think, had seen seven times and
1684
00:57:41,098 --> 00:57:42,782
Wanted to see again: Butch
1685
00:57:42,816 --> 00:57:45,384
Cassidy and the sundance kid.
1686
00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:47,119
I could see that dan was
1687
00:57:47,154 --> 00:57:49,188
Agitated in some way
1688
00:57:49,222 --> 00:57:50,990
And I asked him what was going
1689
00:57:51,024 --> 00:57:53,759
On and he said he had called a
1690
00:57:53,793 --> 00:57:55,828
Friend on the new york times and
1691
00:57:55,863 --> 00:57:57,263
This friend of his said, "well,
1692
00:57:57,297 --> 00:57:59,098
I can't talk to you now, the
1693
00:57:59,132 --> 00:58:01,450
Times building is encircled by
1694
00:58:01,484 --> 00:58:03,819
Armed guards and the printing
1695
00:58:03,854 --> 00:58:06,889
Presses are rolling and we are
1696
00:58:06,923 --> 00:58:09,458
Printing tomorrow a top secret
1697
00:58:09,492 --> 00:58:11,127
Government document."
1698
00:58:11,161 --> 00:58:16,999
[�...]
1699
00:58:17,034 --> 00:58:19,168
>> this weekend, portions
1700
00:58:19,202 --> 00:58:20,269
Of a highly classified
1701
00:58:20,303 --> 00:58:22,171
Pentagon document came to light
1702
00:58:22,205 --> 00:58:23,639
For all the world to see
1703
00:58:23,674 --> 00:58:25,141
And brought cries of outrage
1704
00:58:25,175 --> 00:58:26,275
From washington.
1705
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:27,943
>> the pentagon papers make it
1706
00:58:27,978 --> 00:58:29,645
Abundantly clear how little the
1707
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,480
Public knew of what was going on
1708
00:58:31,514 --> 00:58:32,882
Behind the scenes during...
1709
00:58:32,916 --> 00:58:34,383
>> its main effect is to refute
1710
00:58:34,417 --> 00:58:35,584
The notion that we stumbled
1711
00:58:35,618 --> 00:58:36,852
Into the war...
1712
00:58:36,887 --> 00:58:37,787
>> at the white house,
1713
00:58:37,821 --> 00:58:39,121
A spokesman said president nixon
1714
00:58:39,156 --> 00:58:40,690
Got his first look at the secret
1715
00:58:40,724 --> 00:58:42,224
Report when a copy was
1716
00:58:42,258 --> 00:58:43,993
Delivered to him today.
1717
00:58:44,027 --> 00:58:44,994
>> alexander haig on tape: This,
1718
00:58:45,028 --> 00:58:46,528
Uh, goddamn new york times
1719
00:58:46,563 --> 00:58:48,397
Expos� of the most highly
1720
00:58:48,431 --> 00:58:50,166
Classified documents of the war.
1721
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:51,233
>> nixon: You mean that, that
1722
00:58:51,267 --> 00:58:52,434
Was leaked out of the pentagon?
1723
00:58:52,468 --> 00:58:53,535
>> haig: Sir, this is a
1724
00:58:53,570 --> 00:58:54,904
Devastating security breach of
1725
00:58:54,938 --> 00:58:56,205
The greatest magnitude of
1726
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:57,506
Anything I've ever seen.
1727
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:59,008
>> nixon: Well, did we know this
1728
00:58:59,042 --> 00:58:59,975
Was coming out?
1729
00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:01,177
>> haig: No, we did not, sir.
1730
00:59:01,211 --> 00:59:02,178
>> nixon: I'd just start right
1731
00:59:02,212 --> 00:59:03,645
At the top and fire some people.
1732
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,580
I mean, whatever department
1733
00:59:04,614 --> 00:59:06,015
It came out of, I'd fire
1734
00:59:06,049 --> 00:59:06,816
The top guy.
1735
00:59:06,850 --> 00:59:08,951
>> mccloskey: The first issue
1736
00:59:08,986 --> 00:59:11,420
They ran had a paragraph from
1737
00:59:11,454 --> 00:59:12,721
The assistant secretary of
1738
00:59:12,756 --> 00:59:14,991
Defense to secretary mcnamara.
1739
00:59:15,025 --> 00:59:18,126
I can almost tell it by memory:
1740
00:59:18,161 --> 00:59:21,530
"we're in vietnam 10% to help
1741
00:59:21,565 --> 00:59:23,632
The south vietnamese, 20% to
1742
00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:26,502
Hold back the chinese, and 70%
1743
00:59:26,536 --> 00:59:27,770
To save american face."
1744
00:59:27,804 --> 00:59:30,873
Well, every woman in america
1745
00:59:30,907 --> 00:59:32,107
That had a boyfriend or a
1746
00:59:32,141 --> 00:59:33,141
Husband, they could take it
1747
00:59:33,176 --> 00:59:34,443
If we were defending the south
1748
00:59:34,478 --> 00:59:36,311
Vietnamese, but to learn we're
1749
00:59:36,346 --> 00:59:38,347
Just trying to save face, that
1750
00:59:38,382 --> 00:59:41,183
Is a thing that angers you.
1751
00:59:41,217 --> 00:59:43,185
[�...]
1752
00:59:43,219 --> 00:59:44,019
>> goodale: Monday was
1753
00:59:44,053 --> 00:59:45,187
A very interesting day.
1754
00:59:45,221 --> 00:59:46,589
I came back to the new york
1755
00:59:46,623 --> 00:59:48,156
Times, hustled on the elevator,
1756
00:59:48,191 --> 00:59:49,242
Went up to the top
1757
00:59:49,276 --> 00:59:50,776
Executive floor.
1758
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:52,044
There was the biggest
1759
00:59:52,078 --> 00:59:52,911
Shouting argument
1760
00:59:52,946 --> 00:59:54,413
I ever heard in my life.
1761
00:59:54,448 --> 00:59:56,516
A telegram had come
1762
00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:58,050
From john mitchell,
1763
00:59:58,084 --> 01:00:00,019
Nixon's attorney general.
1764
01:00:00,053 --> 01:00:01,621
The telegram said, "we want you
1765
01:00:01,655 --> 01:00:04,723
To stop publication immediately,
1766
01:00:04,758 --> 01:00:05,958
And if you don't we're gonna
1767
01:00:05,992 --> 01:00:08,261
Take appropriate action."
1768
01:00:08,295 --> 01:00:09,662
I mean, what in god's name
1769
01:00:09,696 --> 01:00:11,264
Have we been fighting for in
1770
01:00:11,298 --> 01:00:13,232
This country for two or three
1771
01:00:13,267 --> 01:00:15,568
Hundred years to have the right
1772
01:00:15,602 --> 01:00:16,802
To speak and the right to
1773
01:00:16,836 --> 01:00:18,804
Publish, the right to think,
1774
01:00:18,838 --> 01:00:20,339
Against a threat by the
1775
01:00:20,374 --> 01:00:21,474
Government, if all we're gonna
1776
01:00:21,508 --> 01:00:23,108
Do is give it all up because
1777
01:00:23,143 --> 01:00:24,143
Someone sends you a telegram?
1778
01:00:40,661 --> 01:00:41,644
>> newscaster: A federal court
1779
01:00:41,678 --> 01:00:43,179
Has ordered the new york times
1780
01:00:43,213 --> 01:00:45,314
To stop publication temporarily.
1781
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:47,216
The government asked for and got
1782
01:00:47,251 --> 01:00:49,785
An injunction against the times.
1783
01:00:49,819 --> 01:00:51,654
>> goodale: Before the nixon
1784
01:00:51,688 --> 01:00:53,055
Administration enjoined the new
1785
01:00:53,089 --> 01:00:54,974
York times, there had never
1786
01:00:55,008 --> 01:00:57,309
Been another injunction brought
1787
01:00:57,343 --> 01:00:59,178
Against a media company
1788
01:00:59,212 --> 01:01:00,746
In a federal court.
1789
01:01:00,781 --> 01:01:02,748
>> cronkite: A name has now come
1790
01:01:02,783 --> 01:01:04,316
Out as the possible source of
1791
01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:06,318
The times' pentagon documents.
1792
01:01:06,352 --> 01:01:08,054
It is that of daniel ellsberg,
1793
01:01:08,088 --> 01:01:10,222
40 years old, one-time marine,
1794
01:01:10,256 --> 01:01:11,791
Later a top policy analyst
1795
01:01:11,825 --> 01:01:12,892
For the defense and state
1796
01:01:12,926 --> 01:01:14,026
Departments during the
1797
01:01:14,061 --> 01:01:15,227
Vietnam buildup.
1798
01:01:15,261 --> 01:01:16,228
>> newscaster: There was no sign
1799
01:01:16,263 --> 01:01:17,796
Of professor ellsberg or his
1800
01:01:17,830 --> 01:01:19,231
Family at their home in
1801
01:01:19,266 --> 01:01:20,466
Cambridge, massachusetts.
1802
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:21,767
>> patricia: And we're looking
1803
01:01:21,801 --> 01:01:23,969
On the television morning news,
1804
01:01:24,003 --> 01:01:26,505
And we notice that the f.B.I.
1805
01:01:26,540 --> 01:01:29,525
Is at our little apartment
1806
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:31,460
In cambridge and we say,
1807
01:01:31,495 --> 01:01:32,795
"we can't go back."
1808
01:01:32,829 --> 01:01:34,597
We go to a motel for a couple
1809
01:01:34,631 --> 01:01:35,698
Of nights, under false names.
1810
01:01:35,732 --> 01:01:36,933
We don't have any clothes,
1811
01:01:36,967 --> 01:01:38,367
We don't have a toothbrush,
1812
01:01:38,401 --> 01:01:39,802
We don't have anything.
1813
01:01:39,837 --> 01:01:40,803
>> zinn: He knew they'd be
1814
01:01:40,838 --> 01:01:41,770
Looking for him.
1815
01:01:41,805 --> 01:01:42,721
He knew they'd be looking to
1816
01:01:42,755 --> 01:01:44,356
Arrest him, and he wanted to
1817
01:01:44,391 --> 01:01:47,359
Have an opportunity to give
1818
01:01:47,394 --> 01:01:50,062
The papers to more newspapers.
1819
01:01:50,097 --> 01:01:52,364
>> man: I came out of a 3:00
1820
01:01:52,399 --> 01:01:54,233
Meeting the day after the times
1821
01:01:54,268 --> 01:01:56,969
Had been enjoined and my deputy
1822
01:01:57,003 --> 01:01:57,936
Said, "maybe you better
1823
01:01:57,971 --> 01:02:00,038
Look at this."
1824
01:02:00,073 --> 01:02:02,324
I dialed a number and a voice
1825
01:02:02,359 --> 01:02:04,826
Said, "if I can get you what you
1826
01:02:04,861 --> 01:02:08,531
Want, will you print them?"
1827
01:02:08,565 --> 01:02:10,933
Uh, I said, "damn well
1828
01:02:10,967 --> 01:02:11,967
We'll print them."
1829
01:02:12,001 --> 01:02:13,118
>> newscaster: The post picked
1830
01:02:13,153 --> 01:02:14,720
Up the pentagon story where the
1831
01:02:14,755 --> 01:02:16,589
Times left off but was ordered
1832
01:02:16,623 --> 01:02:17,923
To halt its publication
1833
01:02:17,957 --> 01:02:19,124
Of the material in a court
1834
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:21,294
Ruling last night.
1835
01:02:21,328 --> 01:02:22,261
>> ellsberg narrating: There was
1836
01:02:22,296 --> 01:02:23,862
No way of knowing when the new
1837
01:02:23,897 --> 01:02:25,431
York times and washington post
1838
01:02:25,465 --> 01:02:26,699
Could resume publication
1839
01:02:26,733 --> 01:02:29,234
Of the papers, if at all.
1840
01:02:29,269 --> 01:02:30,770
This could be the end,
1841
01:02:30,804 --> 01:02:32,237
Unless other newspapers were
1842
01:02:32,272 --> 01:02:36,275
Willing to defy the government.
1843
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:37,542
I had heard that senator
1844
01:02:37,577 --> 01:02:38,978
Mike gravel would do
1845
01:02:39,012 --> 01:02:39,878
A daily filibuster
1846
01:02:39,913 --> 01:02:42,298
Until the draft expired.
1847
01:02:42,332 --> 01:02:43,665
>> I'm just chugging along
1848
01:02:43,700 --> 01:02:45,000
With my filibuster and I get
1849
01:02:45,035 --> 01:02:46,936
A phone call, and I don't know
1850
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:47,970
Who it is.
1851
01:02:48,004 --> 01:02:48,871
He says immediately,
1852
01:02:48,905 --> 01:02:50,139
"is this senator gravel?"
1853
01:02:50,173 --> 01:02:51,607
I say, "yes, it is."
1854
01:02:51,641 --> 01:02:52,641
He says, "would you read
1855
01:02:52,675 --> 01:02:53,876
The pentagon papers as part
1856
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:54,744
Of your filibuster?"
1857
01:02:54,778 --> 01:02:55,611
I said, "yes.
1858
01:02:55,645 --> 01:02:56,812
Now please hang up."
1859
01:02:56,847 --> 01:02:58,547
>> as I put it to him over the
1860
01:02:58,581 --> 01:03:00,283
Phone, "if you're really gonna
1861
01:03:00,317 --> 01:03:02,218
Do a filibuster, I can give you
1862
01:03:02,252 --> 01:03:03,886
Material that'll keep you busy
1863
01:03:03,921 --> 01:03:05,621
Reading until christmas."
1864
01:03:05,655 --> 01:03:06,855
>> the person who physically
1865
01:03:06,890 --> 01:03:07,757
Gave me the papers
1866
01:03:07,791 --> 01:03:09,024
Was ben bagdikian.
1867
01:03:09,058 --> 01:03:09,925
He was the editor
1868
01:03:09,959 --> 01:03:11,260
At the washington post.
1869
01:03:11,295 --> 01:03:13,529
>> he's a junior senator and
1870
01:03:13,563 --> 01:03:15,298
He's from alaska, and that
1871
01:03:15,332 --> 01:03:17,199
Doesn't carry much weight.
1872
01:03:17,233 --> 01:03:20,736
So he was, I think, chair of the
1873
01:03:20,771 --> 01:03:23,372
Building and grounds committee.
1874
01:03:23,407 --> 01:03:25,808
>> gravel: So we meet and I want
1875
01:03:25,842 --> 01:03:26,942
To be a little secretive,
1876
01:03:26,976 --> 01:03:28,110
So we're meeting outside the
1877
01:03:28,144 --> 01:03:29,612
Senate chambers in the columns
1878
01:03:29,646 --> 01:03:31,013
Next to the capitol.
1879
01:03:31,047 --> 01:03:32,247
Lo and behold, bob dole
1880
01:03:32,282 --> 01:03:33,749
Comes up, and dole sees me
1881
01:03:33,784 --> 01:03:34,950
And he has something to say
1882
01:03:34,984 --> 01:03:36,185
To me, so he comes over.
1883
01:03:36,219 --> 01:03:37,520
So ben slips behind the column
1884
01:03:37,554 --> 01:03:39,188
And I try to dismiss dole
1885
01:03:39,222 --> 01:03:40,222
Real quick.
1886
01:03:40,256 --> 01:03:41,624
And then I go back to ben.
1887
01:03:41,658 --> 01:03:43,192
He's gonna get the papers to me
1888
01:03:43,226 --> 01:03:45,328
In some faraway dark corner of
1889
01:03:45,362 --> 01:03:46,495
Maybe rock creek park.
1890
01:03:46,530 --> 01:03:48,063
I say, "ben, that's not the way
1891
01:03:48,097 --> 01:03:49,264
We're gonna do it.
1892
01:03:49,299 --> 01:03:50,866
At midnight..." [bell dings]
1893
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:52,067
"under the marquee of the
1894
01:03:52,101 --> 01:03:54,670
Mayflower hotel, you will park
1895
01:03:54,705 --> 01:03:57,072
Your car there, I will come up
1896
01:03:57,106 --> 01:04:00,042
Next with my car, I'll get out,
1897
01:04:00,076 --> 01:04:01,477
You open the trunk of your car,
1898
01:04:01,511 --> 01:04:02,545
And I'll open the trunk
1899
01:04:02,579 --> 01:04:03,779
Of my car."
1900
01:04:03,814 --> 01:04:05,748
>> bagdikian: I drive down in my
1901
01:04:05,782 --> 01:04:08,083
Karmann ghia and he's got a
1902
01:04:08,117 --> 01:04:09,318
Couple of aides there and I
1903
01:04:09,353 --> 01:04:10,586
Said, "this is heavy, you may
1904
01:04:10,620 --> 01:04:12,588
Want your aides to carry it."
1905
01:04:12,622 --> 01:04:14,957
He said, "no, I have immunity
1906
01:04:14,991 --> 01:04:16,258
And they don't."
1907
01:04:16,292 --> 01:04:17,159
>> gravel: We transfer the
1908
01:04:17,193 --> 01:04:18,794
Papers to me just like that
1909
01:04:18,829 --> 01:04:20,996
In seconds and I speed away.
1910
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:23,733
[�...]
1911
01:04:23,767 --> 01:04:24,667
>> ellsberg narrating: While I
1912
01:04:24,701 --> 01:04:25,801
Was still underground,
1913
01:04:25,836 --> 01:04:27,336
I was contacted by the most
1914
01:04:27,371 --> 01:04:30,038
Trusted man in america.
1915
01:04:30,073 --> 01:04:31,440
>> cronkite: Good evening.
1916
01:04:31,475 --> 01:04:33,141
Daniel ellsberg, a former
1917
01:04:33,176 --> 01:04:34,577
State department and pentagon
1918
01:04:34,611 --> 01:04:36,111
Planner and of late something
1919
01:04:36,145 --> 01:04:37,980
Of a phantom figure, agreed
1920
01:04:38,014 --> 01:04:39,248
Today to be interviewed
1921
01:04:39,282 --> 01:04:40,649
At a secret location.
1922
01:04:40,684 --> 01:04:42,418
I asked him what he considers
1923
01:04:42,452 --> 01:04:44,553
The most important revelations
1924
01:04:44,588 --> 01:04:45,888
To date from the pentagon
1925
01:04:45,922 --> 01:04:47,623
Documents.
1926
01:04:47,657 --> 01:04:48,991
>> I think the lesson is that
1927
01:04:49,025 --> 01:04:50,926
The people of this country can't
1928
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,194
Afford to let the president run
1929
01:04:52,228 --> 01:04:55,130
The country by himself without
1930
01:04:55,164 --> 01:04:56,499
The help of the congress,
1931
01:04:56,533 --> 01:04:58,634
Without the help of the public.
1932
01:04:58,668 --> 01:04:59,668
>> dan does this interview,
1933
01:04:59,703 --> 01:05:00,870
Which comes out on cbs
1934
01:05:00,904 --> 01:05:03,639
Nationwide television as the
1935
01:05:03,673 --> 01:05:05,841
Biggest f.B.I. Manhunt since
1936
01:05:05,876 --> 01:05:07,175
The lindbergh kidnapping
1937
01:05:07,210 --> 01:05:09,445
Is going on looking for us.
1938
01:05:09,479 --> 01:05:11,763
But we still hadn't given out
1939
01:05:11,797 --> 01:05:13,632
Enough of the papers.
1940
01:05:13,666 --> 01:05:15,100
>> harry reasoner: Today another
1941
01:05:15,135 --> 01:05:16,901
Lid broke loose.
1942
01:05:16,936 --> 01:05:18,420
The boston globe began
1943
01:05:18,455 --> 01:05:19,688
Its series based on
1944
01:05:19,722 --> 01:05:20,822
Presumably classified
1945
01:05:20,856 --> 01:05:21,890
Government documents.
1946
01:05:21,924 --> 01:05:22,758
>> john chancellor: The chicago
1947
01:05:22,792 --> 01:05:23,726
Sun-times entered the drama
1948
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,394
Today by running a story
1949
01:05:25,428 --> 01:05:26,595
Which says that the kennedy
1950
01:05:26,629 --> 01:05:27,562
Administration...
1951
01:05:27,597 --> 01:05:28,847
>> today, the 11 knight
1952
01:05:28,882 --> 01:05:30,282
Newspapers and the los angeles
1953
01:05:30,317 --> 01:05:32,751
Times joined the procession...
1954
01:05:32,785 --> 01:05:34,035
>> the ballgame was over.
1955
01:05:34,070 --> 01:05:35,871
Any effort at suppressing the
1956
01:05:35,905 --> 01:05:38,807
Pentagon papers was gonna fail.
1957
01:05:38,841 --> 01:05:40,759
Dan and his network had
1958
01:05:40,794 --> 01:05:42,661
Distributed portions of the
1959
01:05:42,696 --> 01:05:44,796
Pentagon papers to 17
1960
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Different organizations.
1961
01:05:46,499 --> 01:05:47,399
>> ellsberg interviewed: They
1962
01:05:47,433 --> 01:05:48,334
Couldn't stop them.
1963
01:05:48,368 --> 01:05:49,801
As one of the lawyers said,
1964
01:05:49,836 --> 01:05:53,538
"it was like herding bees."
1965
01:05:53,573 --> 01:05:54,539
>> smith: The press said, "we
1966
01:05:54,574 --> 01:05:56,175
Can look at this, we can make a
1967
01:05:56,209 --> 01:05:57,877
Valid judgment about what serves
1968
01:05:57,911 --> 01:05:59,912
National security and we can be
1969
01:05:59,946 --> 01:06:01,480
And we will be independent
1970
01:06:01,514 --> 01:06:03,015
From our government."
1971
01:06:03,049 --> 01:06:04,683
And that was a declaration
1972
01:06:04,717 --> 01:06:05,951
Of independence and it
1973
01:06:05,985 --> 01:06:08,304
Really changed the relationship
1974
01:06:08,338 --> 01:06:10,005
Between the government
1975
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:11,273
And the media ever since.
1976
01:06:11,307 --> 01:06:15,227
[�...]
1977
01:06:15,262 --> 01:06:16,462
>> patricia: The pentagon papers
1978
01:06:16,496 --> 01:06:19,581
Story was on the nightly news
1979
01:06:19,783 --> 01:06:21,617
The first seven or eight minutes
1980
01:06:21,651 --> 01:06:24,102
Of the nightly news every night
1981
01:06:24,136 --> 01:06:25,604
For two weeks.
1982
01:06:25,638 --> 01:06:26,921
>> so that gave it as much
1983
01:06:26,956 --> 01:06:28,257
Public attention as I could
1984
01:06:28,291 --> 01:06:29,391
Possibly have asked for.
1985
01:06:29,425 --> 01:06:30,092
>> we were underground,
1986
01:06:30,126 --> 01:06:31,593
So we were able to watch
1987
01:06:31,627 --> 01:06:33,895
The news day and night.
1988
01:06:33,930 --> 01:06:35,630
And this thing was unfolding
1989
01:06:35,665 --> 01:06:37,466
In the most dramatic way.
1990
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:39,301
>> alaska's 41-year-old
1991
01:06:39,335 --> 01:06:41,236
Democratic senator mike gravel
1992
01:06:41,271 --> 01:06:42,638
Held a mock meeting of his
1993
01:06:42,672 --> 01:06:44,273
Sub-committee on buildings and
1994
01:06:44,307 --> 01:06:45,541
Grounds with only himself
1995
01:06:45,575 --> 01:06:47,593
Present and began reading aloud
1996
01:06:47,627 --> 01:06:49,428
The 7,000-page pentagon
1997
01:06:49,462 --> 01:06:51,296
Secret report in public.
1998
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:53,965
>> the papers prove that for
1999
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,569
20 years, we have been victims
2000
01:06:57,604 --> 01:07:01,440
Of our southeast asia policy.
2001
01:07:01,474 --> 01:07:02,741
...I was frightened to death
2002
01:07:02,776 --> 01:07:03,792
Over releasing the
2003
01:07:03,827 --> 01:07:04,827
Pentagon papers.
2004
01:07:04,861 --> 01:07:06,228
I had no idea whether I was
2005
01:07:06,262 --> 01:07:07,196
Going to prison.
2006
01:07:07,230 --> 01:07:08,430
All I could think of was,
2007
01:07:08,464 --> 01:07:09,764
"my country's killing people,
2008
01:07:09,799 --> 01:07:11,466
We're maiming americans, and
2009
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:14,369
This is terrible," and so I was
2010
01:07:14,403 --> 01:07:16,271
Overcome with emotion.
2011
01:07:16,306 --> 01:07:19,007
Not patriotism, just emotion
2012
01:07:19,042 --> 01:07:20,775
Of something you love dearly
2013
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:21,877
That has gone astray.
2014
01:07:21,911 --> 01:07:23,212
>> howard k. Smith: He continued
2015
01:07:23,246 --> 01:07:24,713
Until exhaustion and emotion
2016
01:07:24,747 --> 01:07:26,481
Overcame him after 1:00
2017
01:07:26,515 --> 01:07:27,983
This morning.
2018
01:07:28,017 --> 01:07:28,884
>> gravel: I collected myself
2019
01:07:28,918 --> 01:07:30,418
And I asked-- now keep in mind,
2020
01:07:30,453 --> 01:07:31,753
I'm the only one on the
2021
01:07:31,787 --> 01:07:33,088
Committee-- I asked unanimous
2022
01:07:33,122 --> 01:07:34,990
Consent to put all these papers
2023
01:07:35,024 --> 01:07:36,591
Into the record, and I've got
2024
01:07:36,625 --> 01:07:38,160
The gavel and I slam it
2025
01:07:38,194 --> 01:07:39,194
And I say, "hearing no
2026
01:07:39,229 --> 01:07:40,362
Objections, so ordered,"
2027
01:07:40,396 --> 01:07:41,663
That's it, papers are out,
2028
01:07:41,697 --> 01:07:44,366
They're in the senate record.
2029
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,186
[reporters shouting...]
2030
01:07:48,221 --> 01:07:49,054
>> newscaster: Even if the
2031
01:07:49,089 --> 01:07:50,756
F.B.I. Had wanted to arrest him
2032
01:07:50,790 --> 01:07:51,657
Outside the courthouse this
2033
01:07:51,691 --> 01:07:52,624
Morning, they probably couldn't
2034
01:07:52,659 --> 01:07:53,558
Have done it.
2035
01:07:53,593 --> 01:07:54,993
Ellsberg was walled off by
2036
01:07:55,027 --> 01:07:56,895
Newsmen and supporters as he
2037
01:07:56,929 --> 01:07:58,630
Admitted that he was indeed the
2038
01:07:58,664 --> 01:07:59,798
Man who brought the pentagon
2039
01:07:59,832 --> 01:08:01,166
Papers to the press and
2040
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,351
Congressional leaders.
2041
01:08:02,385 --> 01:08:04,986
>> I did this, clearly,
2042
01:08:05,021 --> 01:08:07,289
At my own jeopardy and I am
2043
01:08:07,324 --> 01:08:09,592
Prepared to answer to all the
2044
01:08:09,626 --> 01:08:19,968
Consequences of these decisions.
2045
01:08:20,002 --> 01:08:38,654
[�...]
2046
01:08:38,688 --> 01:08:40,489
>> chancellor: In one of the
2047
01:08:40,523 --> 01:08:41,923
Most important judicial
2048
01:08:41,958 --> 01:08:43,525
Decisions in the history of the
2049
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,377
Country, the supreme court today
2050
01:08:45,411 --> 01:08:46,879
Ruled that the new york times
2051
01:08:46,913 --> 01:08:48,246
And the washington post
2052
01:08:48,281 --> 01:08:49,514
May continue to publish
2053
01:08:49,549 --> 01:08:51,150
The secret pentagon papers.
2054
01:08:51,184 --> 01:08:52,284
>> daniel schorr: The ruling
2055
01:08:52,318 --> 01:08:53,686
Was amazingly simple.
2056
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,087
It was that proving the need for
2057
01:08:55,121 --> 01:08:56,589
Prior censorship is a heavy
2058
01:08:56,623 --> 01:08:58,224
Burden and the government didn't
2059
01:08:58,258 --> 01:08:59,592
Meet that burden.
2060
01:08:59,626 --> 01:09:00,292
>> ellsberg: The decision
2061
01:09:00,327 --> 01:09:01,393
Was a great one.
2062
01:09:01,428 --> 01:09:02,428
The story today is what
2063
01:09:02,462 --> 01:09:03,429
The constitution of this
2064
01:09:03,463 --> 01:09:04,463
Country means to us.
2065
01:09:04,497 --> 01:09:06,298
I really, I've never appreciated
2066
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:08,834
What the meaning and importance
2067
01:09:08,868 --> 01:09:10,035
Of separation of powers is
2068
01:09:10,069 --> 01:09:11,604
So much as in the last,
2069
01:09:11,638 --> 01:09:13,071
The last week.
2070
01:09:13,106 --> 01:09:15,341
>> woman: When dan ellsberg
2071
01:09:15,375 --> 01:09:17,443
Released the pentagon papers, he
2072
01:09:17,477 --> 01:09:19,211
Was doing it to stop the war.
2073
01:09:19,246 --> 01:09:20,912
Perhaps the most important
2074
01:09:20,947 --> 01:09:23,949
Legacy he left us with, though,
2075
01:09:23,983 --> 01:09:26,084
Was a supreme court case,
2076
01:09:26,119 --> 01:09:27,553
The pentagon papers case,
2077
01:09:27,587 --> 01:09:28,820
Which is perhaps the most
2078
01:09:28,855 --> 01:09:30,822
Important first amendment
2079
01:09:30,857 --> 01:09:33,792
Decision in the court's history.
2080
01:09:33,826 --> 01:09:35,961
I can guarantee you that every
2081
01:09:35,995 --> 01:09:37,295
Day there's a first amendment
2082
01:09:37,330 --> 01:09:38,864
Lawyer out there citing
2083
01:09:38,898 --> 01:09:40,232
The pentagon papers case
2084
01:09:40,266 --> 01:09:42,434
In order to protect free speech
2085
01:09:42,469 --> 01:09:43,702
And free press against
2086
01:09:43,736 --> 01:09:45,420
Government encroachment.
2087
01:09:45,455 --> 01:09:46,655
>> frankel: When we finally
2088
01:09:46,689 --> 01:09:48,256
Won the right to continue
2089
01:09:48,290 --> 01:09:50,342
Publication from the supreme
2090
01:09:50,376 --> 01:09:52,978
Court, this was a firm ruling
2091
01:09:53,012 --> 01:09:55,214
That national security alone,
2092
01:09:55,248 --> 01:09:57,382
The cry of national security,
2093
01:09:57,416 --> 01:09:59,017
Does not justify censorship
2094
01:09:59,052 --> 01:10:00,385
In advance.
2095
01:10:00,419 --> 01:10:01,720
>> nixon on tape: I wanted
2096
01:10:01,421 --> 01:10:02,754
To tell you that I was
2097
01:10:02,789 --> 01:10:04,423
So damn mad when that supreme
2098
01:10:04,457 --> 01:10:05,557
Court had to come down...
2099
01:10:05,591 --> 01:10:06,591
First, I didn't like
2100
01:10:06,626 --> 01:10:07,426
Their decision...
2101
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:08,326
>> man: I didn't either.
2102
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:09,327
>> unbelievable, wasn't it?
2103
01:10:09,361 --> 01:10:10,462
You know, those clowns we've
2104
01:10:10,496 --> 01:10:12,497
Got on there, I tell you, I hope
2105
01:10:12,532 --> 01:10:14,198
I outlive the bastards.
2106
01:10:14,233 --> 01:10:15,500
>> persons close to the
2107
01:10:15,534 --> 01:10:16,869
President vehemently deny
2108
01:10:16,903 --> 01:10:18,837
That he is any vengeful mood
2109
01:10:18,872 --> 01:10:20,072
Toward the new york times
2110
01:10:20,106 --> 01:10:21,373
Or any other newspaper.
2111
01:10:21,407 --> 01:10:22,607
As for fears expressed
2112
01:10:22,642 --> 01:10:23,776
By reporters and editors
2113
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:25,244
That there is big trouble ahead
2114
01:10:25,278 --> 01:10:26,611
From the administration,
2115
01:10:26,646 --> 01:10:28,613
The nixon men say, "that is
2116
01:10:28,648 --> 01:10:33,218
Pure paranoia, ridiculous."
2117
01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:34,486
>> dick cavett: Mr. Ellsberg
2118
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,620
Or dr. Ellsberg himself
2119
01:10:35,655 --> 01:10:36,688
Has been hailed as hero
2120
01:10:36,722 --> 01:10:37,923
By a lot of people, condemned
2121
01:10:37,957 --> 01:10:39,291
As a traitor by others.
2122
01:10:39,325 --> 01:10:39,958
Will you welcome, please,
2123
01:10:39,993 --> 01:10:41,192
The man who...
2124
01:10:41,227 --> 01:10:42,393
Uh, made the whole thing
2125
01:10:42,428 --> 01:10:44,262
Possible, dr. Daniel ellsberg.
2126
01:10:44,296 --> 01:10:49,335
[applause..., �...]
2127
01:10:49,369 --> 01:10:51,169
>> falk: I think that the drama
2128
01:10:51,204 --> 01:10:53,171
That surrounded the release of
2129
01:10:53,206 --> 01:10:56,107
The papers, which centered on
2130
01:10:56,142 --> 01:10:58,143
The personality and experience
2131
01:10:58,177 --> 01:11:01,313
Of dan ellsberg himself, gave
2132
01:11:01,347 --> 01:11:04,582
The papers a prominence that
2133
01:11:04,617 --> 01:11:07,252
They probably wouldn't have had,
2134
01:11:07,287 --> 01:11:10,388
Had a grayer personality been
2135
01:11:10,423 --> 01:11:13,125
Associated with this release.
2136
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:14,693
[applause finally stops]
2137
01:11:14,727 --> 01:11:15,994
>> that much applause without
2138
01:11:16,029 --> 01:11:17,262
Even doing a monologue...
2139
01:11:17,297 --> 01:11:18,396
[laughter]
2140
01:11:18,431 --> 01:11:19,331
...Is there any way
2141
01:11:19,365 --> 01:11:20,532
To answer in 30 seconds
2142
01:11:20,566 --> 01:11:21,733
What people can do?
2143
01:11:21,835 --> 01:11:22,984
>> I think one thing that people
2144
01:11:23,018 --> 01:11:24,253
Will conclude when they've read
2145
01:11:24,287 --> 01:11:27,055
It is that they have not asked
2146
01:11:27,089 --> 01:11:29,558
Enough, they have not expected
2147
01:11:29,592 --> 01:11:30,759
Enough or demanded enough in the
2148
01:11:30,793 --> 01:11:32,227
Way of boldness, in the way of
2149
01:11:32,262 --> 01:11:33,862
Responsibility, from their
2150
01:11:33,896 --> 01:11:35,530
Public servants.
2151
01:11:35,565 --> 01:11:37,766
Make that known and I think
2152
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,868
That our constitution will
2153
01:11:39,902 --> 01:11:42,804
Continue to function better
2154
01:11:42,838 --> 01:11:44,573
Than it has been in the past.
2155
01:11:44,607 --> 01:11:47,442
[applause...]
2156
01:11:47,777 --> 01:11:49,511
[fades...]
2157
01:11:49,545 --> 01:11:51,813
>> halperin: I think he did
2158
01:11:51,848 --> 01:11:54,248
Betray a trust and he put
2159
01:11:54,283 --> 01:11:56,451
In jeopardy not only his
2160
01:11:56,486 --> 01:11:58,854
Welfare, but that of everybody
2161
01:11:58,888 --> 01:12:01,472
Else who was involved.
2162
01:12:01,507 --> 01:12:02,741
>> ellsberg interviewed: There
2163
01:12:02,775 --> 01:12:04,375
Was no question in my mind that
2164
01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:06,611
My... Best friend, really,
2165
01:12:06,645 --> 01:12:08,413
Harry rowen, would be definitely
2166
01:12:08,447 --> 01:12:10,648
Associated with what I'd done
2167
01:12:10,683 --> 01:12:12,084
And the fact that I did it
2168
01:12:12,118 --> 01:12:13,418
While he was president,
2169
01:12:13,452 --> 01:12:14,419
That this happened, this
2170
01:12:14,453 --> 01:12:15,721
Security breach happened.
2171
01:12:15,755 --> 01:12:17,122
So I knew that would hurt him,
2172
01:12:17,156 --> 01:12:18,757
Might lose him his job,
2173
01:12:18,791 --> 01:12:22,393
As it did, actually.
2174
01:12:22,428 --> 01:12:24,996
E.M. Forster said, "if I had to
2175
01:12:25,031 --> 01:12:26,798
Choose between betraying my
2176
01:12:26,833 --> 01:12:28,967
Country and betraying a friend,
2177
01:12:29,001 --> 01:12:30,368
I hope I should have the guts
2178
01:12:30,402 --> 01:12:32,670
To betray my country."
2179
01:12:32,705 --> 01:12:33,922
And I remember when that was
2180
01:12:33,957 --> 01:12:35,757
Quoted to me, my reaction right
2181
01:12:35,792 --> 01:12:37,359
Away was, "I don't agree
2182
01:12:37,393 --> 01:12:38,460
With that at all."
2183
01:12:38,495 --> 01:12:39,962
We're talking about
2184
01:12:39,996 --> 01:12:42,364
Many, many, many lives here.
2185
01:12:42,398 --> 01:12:43,398
We're talking about
2186
01:12:43,432 --> 01:12:46,100
Shortening a war.
2187
01:12:46,135 --> 01:12:46,968
>> schelling: Not long after
2188
01:12:47,002 --> 01:12:48,069
The release of the pentagon
2189
01:12:48,103 --> 01:12:49,504
Papers, I was at a conference
2190
01:12:49,539 --> 01:12:51,005
At u.C.L.A.
2191
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,707
There were at least a dozen
2192
01:12:52,742 --> 01:12:54,409
People from rand at that
2193
01:12:54,444 --> 01:12:57,446
Conference and, uh, not one of
2194
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:01,616
Them would shake hands with dan.
2195
01:13:01,651 --> 01:13:05,019
Not one would sit near him.
2196
01:13:05,054 --> 01:13:11,426
They treated him as a, uh...
2197
01:13:11,461 --> 01:13:13,528
A traitor.
2198
01:13:13,563 --> 01:13:15,597
And whether they, they meant
2199
01:13:15,631 --> 01:13:16,865
A traitor to his country or
2200
01:13:16,899 --> 01:13:18,467
A traitor to his organization,
2201
01:13:18,501 --> 01:13:20,852
It's hard to know.
2202
01:13:20,886 --> 01:13:21,720
>> ellsberg interviewed: I was
2203
01:13:21,754 --> 01:13:24,122
Typhoid mary, I was a leper
2204
01:13:24,156 --> 01:13:28,627
With a bell around my neck.
2205
01:13:28,661 --> 01:13:31,630
I've come to realize, the fear
2206
01:13:31,664 --> 01:13:34,032
Of being cut out from the group
2207
01:13:34,066 --> 01:13:37,302
Of people you respect and whose
2208
01:13:37,337 --> 01:13:39,471
Respect you want and normally
2209
01:13:39,505 --> 01:13:42,574
Expect, that keeps people
2210
01:13:42,608 --> 01:13:44,609
Participating in anything,
2211
01:13:44,644 --> 01:13:49,047
No matter how terrible.
2212
01:13:49,349 --> 01:13:50,398
>> whatever his intentions
2213
01:13:50,433 --> 01:13:52,634
May have been, in your opinion,
2214
01:13:52,669 --> 01:13:53,902
Did daniel ellsberg betray
2215
01:13:53,937 --> 01:13:54,919
His country?
2216
01:13:54,954 --> 01:13:57,422
>> I would put it another way.
2217
01:13:57,457 --> 01:13:59,090
Daniel ellsberg, whatever his
2218
01:13:59,124 --> 01:14:01,693
Intentions, gave aid and comfort
2219
01:14:01,728 --> 01:14:03,662
To the enemy, and under those
2220
01:14:03,696 --> 01:14:04,763
Circumstances, that is
2221
01:14:04,797 --> 01:14:06,348
Inexcusable.
2222
01:14:06,382 --> 01:14:09,317
After all, he is putting himself
2223
01:14:09,352 --> 01:14:11,986
Above the president of the
2224
01:14:12,020 --> 01:14:13,421
United states, above the
2225
01:14:13,456 --> 01:14:15,523
Congress, above our whole system
2226
01:14:15,558 --> 01:14:17,759
Of government when he says, in
2227
01:14:17,793 --> 01:14:20,328
Effect, that he would determine
2228
01:14:20,363 --> 01:14:23,215
What should be made public.
2229
01:14:23,249 --> 01:14:24,682
>> dean: I think that there is
2230
01:14:24,717 --> 01:14:27,052
Probably some good justification
2231
01:14:27,086 --> 01:14:28,220
For the strong feelings
2232
01:14:28,254 --> 01:14:29,054
Nixon had.
2233
01:14:29,088 --> 01:14:30,688
He would make a decision in the
2234
01:14:30,723 --> 01:14:31,823
National security council and
2235
01:14:31,857 --> 01:14:33,458
The next day read it on the
2236
01:14:33,493 --> 01:14:35,093
Front page of the new york times
2237
01:14:35,128 --> 01:14:36,461
Or some other newspaper.
2238
01:14:36,496 --> 01:14:37,862
This makes it virtually
2239
01:14:37,897 --> 01:14:39,597
Impossible to govern.
2240
01:14:39,632 --> 01:14:40,498
>> nixon on tape: Just because
2241
01:14:40,532 --> 01:14:41,866
Some guy's gonna be a martyr,
2242
01:14:41,901 --> 01:14:43,501
We can't be in a position of
2243
01:14:43,535 --> 01:14:44,936
Allowing the fellow to get away
2244
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:46,204
With this kind of wholesale
2245
01:14:46,238 --> 01:14:47,238
Thievery, or otherwise it's
2246
01:14:47,272 --> 01:14:48,372
Gonna happen all over the
2247
01:14:48,407 --> 01:14:49,074
Government.
2248
01:14:49,108 --> 01:14:50,541
I just say that we've got to
2249
01:14:50,576 --> 01:14:52,043
Keep our eye on the main ball.
2250
01:14:52,078 --> 01:14:53,311
The main ball is ellsberg.
2251
01:14:53,345 --> 01:14:54,579
We got to get this
2252
01:14:54,613 --> 01:14:55,847
Son of a bitch.
2253
01:14:55,881 --> 01:14:57,115
>> dean: The leak of the
2254
01:14:57,149 --> 01:14:59,150
Pentagon papers changed
2255
01:14:59,185 --> 01:15:00,351
The nixon white house.
2256
01:15:00,385 --> 01:15:02,020
It really is what some of us
2257
01:15:02,054 --> 01:15:03,171
Have called the beginning of
2258
01:15:03,205 --> 01:15:04,205
The dark period.
2259
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:05,807
I mean, it was rough and tumble
2260
01:15:05,841 --> 01:15:07,742
Before, but it got down
2261
01:15:07,777 --> 01:15:08,626
And dirty.
2262
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:10,595
So it's really a defining event
2263
01:15:10,629 --> 01:15:12,764
For the nixon presidency.
2264
01:15:12,798 --> 01:15:14,432
And this is when egil krogh,
2265
01:15:14,466 --> 01:15:16,368
Bud krogh, was selected to head
2266
01:15:16,402 --> 01:15:19,537
Up the so-called plumbers unit.
2267
01:15:19,571 --> 01:15:21,189
>> I was summoned to the oval
2268
01:15:21,224 --> 01:15:23,358
Office by the president.
2269
01:15:23,392 --> 01:15:24,525
John ehrlichman and I
2270
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,861
Met with him.
2271
01:15:25,895 --> 01:15:28,163
There was some suspicion that
2272
01:15:28,197 --> 01:15:30,431
Dr. Ellsberg had access to the
2273
01:15:30,466 --> 01:15:32,700
More recent war plans that had
2274
01:15:32,735 --> 01:15:34,002
Been developed by the nixon
2275
01:15:34,036 --> 01:15:36,004
Administration and would be
2276
01:15:36,038 --> 01:15:38,473
Able to release those documents.
2277
01:15:38,507 --> 01:15:39,975
I came from that meeting feeling
2278
01:15:40,009 --> 01:15:41,943
Very strongly that I was dealing
2279
01:15:41,978 --> 01:15:43,778
With a national security crisis
2280
01:15:43,812 --> 01:15:45,480
And I was to take any means
2281
01:15:45,514 --> 01:15:58,210
Necessary to respond to it.
2282
01:15:58,244 --> 01:16:00,845
The president had decided to
2283
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,014
Set up a special investigations
2284
01:16:03,048 --> 01:16:18,629
Unit in the white house staff.
2285
01:16:18,664 --> 01:16:19,981
Did daniel ellsberg work alone?
2286
01:16:20,015 --> 01:16:21,249
Was he working with some
2287
01:16:21,283 --> 01:16:22,216
Other people?
2288
01:16:22,251 --> 01:16:24,318
Was it part of a conspiracy?
2289
01:16:24,353 --> 01:16:25,870
And it was in that context that
2290
01:16:25,904 --> 01:16:28,573
A proposal was made by e. Howard
2291
01:16:28,607 --> 01:16:30,174
Hunt to get information that
2292
01:16:30,209 --> 01:16:31,810
Could be used to discredit
2293
01:16:31,844 --> 01:16:33,177
Dr. Ellsberg.
2294
01:16:33,212 --> 01:16:35,063
"a covert operation ought to
2295
01:16:35,097 --> 01:16:37,298
Be undertaken to examine all
2296
01:16:37,332 --> 01:16:38,967
Of the files still held by
2297
01:16:39,001 --> 01:16:40,735
Dr. Ellsberg's psychiatrist,
2298
01:16:40,770 --> 01:16:42,837
Dr. Lewis fielding."
2299
01:16:42,872 --> 01:16:45,089
This went to john ehrlichman.
2300
01:16:45,124 --> 01:16:46,758
Underneath that proposal were
2301
01:16:46,792 --> 01:16:48,276
Two lines: "approve" with a
2302
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:50,344
Line, "disapprove" with a line.
2303
01:16:50,379 --> 01:16:52,346
He wrote his large "e" after
2304
01:16:52,381 --> 01:16:54,382
"approve," and then put in
2305
01:16:54,417 --> 01:16:55,784
"under your assurance it is
2306
01:16:55,818 --> 01:17:01,405
Not traceable."
2307
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:02,874
>> robert: The f.B.I. Came one
2308
01:17:02,908 --> 01:17:04,175
Day and said, "I'm afraid we
2309
01:17:04,210 --> 01:17:05,543
Have a subpoena here for you
2310
01:17:05,577 --> 01:17:06,978
To testify today at the grand
2311
01:17:07,012 --> 01:17:08,279
Jury."
2312
01:17:08,314 --> 01:17:10,081
My father was very upset.
2313
01:17:10,115 --> 01:17:11,315
He somehow thought that there
2314
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:12,617
Was something more my mother
2315
01:17:12,652 --> 01:17:14,085
Could do to prevent this somehow
2316
01:17:14,119 --> 01:17:15,620
If she had better legal advice
2317
01:17:15,655 --> 01:17:16,721
Or whatever.
2318
01:17:16,756 --> 01:17:18,156
Her attitude was, "so you're the
2319
01:17:18,190 --> 01:17:20,926
One who got him into this, um,
2320
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:23,261
And of course he's gonna, he's
2321
01:17:23,295 --> 01:17:24,930
Gonna just tell the truth."
2322
01:17:24,964 --> 01:17:26,330
And my father said, "well, of
2323
01:17:26,365 --> 01:17:27,766
Course you got to, you know,
2324
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,367
Just tell, tell the truth."
2325
01:17:29,401 --> 01:17:31,035
My personal involvement in the
2326
01:17:31,070 --> 01:17:32,570
Whole thing, the people I knew
2327
01:17:32,604 --> 01:17:33,972
About and the copying of
2328
01:17:34,006 --> 01:17:35,306
The pentagon papers, that
2329
01:17:35,341 --> 01:17:36,924
Became the focus of the,
2330
01:17:36,959 --> 01:17:38,026
Of the indictment.
2331
01:17:38,060 --> 01:17:38,993
>> I have a statement.
2332
01:17:39,028 --> 01:17:40,228
I have a prepared statement
2333
01:17:40,263 --> 01:17:41,429
That I'd like to read.
2334
01:17:41,464 --> 01:17:42,497
...[interviewed]: Well, I said
2335
01:17:42,532 --> 01:17:43,831
To myself that I would not
2336
01:17:43,866 --> 01:17:45,867
Testify against him.
2337
01:17:45,901 --> 01:17:47,735
...Let me put my cigarette out.
2338
01:17:47,770 --> 01:17:49,554
...Because after all, to begin
2339
01:17:49,589 --> 01:17:53,774
With, I had urged him to do it.
2340
01:17:53,809 --> 01:17:54,976
...The attorney general
2341
01:17:54,894 --> 01:17:56,494
Offers me the alternative of
2342
01:17:56,528 --> 01:17:59,030
Collaborating with him in his
2343
01:17:59,064 --> 01:18:00,631
Attempt to prosecute daniel
2344
01:18:00,665 --> 01:18:03,167
Ellsberg by testifying in
2345
01:18:03,202 --> 01:18:05,103
Secret before a grand jury.
2346
01:18:05,137 --> 01:18:07,638
For me, that is no choice.
2347
01:18:07,672 --> 01:18:09,007
>> he was immediately put in
2348
01:18:09,041 --> 01:18:12,210
Custody for contempt of court.
2349
01:18:12,244 --> 01:18:14,079
He offended the prosecutorial
2350
01:18:14,113 --> 01:18:16,648
Team by refusing to cooperate
2351
01:18:16,682 --> 01:18:19,233
In any way in the grand jury.
2352
01:18:19,267 --> 01:18:20,869
If tony had testified, he would
2353
01:18:20,903 --> 01:18:23,538
Have been out scot-free.
2354
01:18:23,572 --> 01:18:24,906
>> russo: The first thing that
2355
01:18:24,940 --> 01:18:26,808
Came to my mind was gandhi's
2356
01:18:26,842 --> 01:18:29,544
Dictum, "you should not
2357
01:18:29,578 --> 01:18:31,713
Cooperate with evil."
2358
01:18:31,747 --> 01:18:34,716
[�...]
2359
01:18:56,772 --> 01:18:57,705
>> newscaster: The pentagon
2360
01:18:57,740 --> 01:18:59,541
Papers drama changed abruptly
2361
01:18:59,575 --> 01:19:01,009
Into the pentagon papers media
2362
01:19:01,043 --> 01:19:02,710
Freak-out and cameramen's farce
2363
01:19:02,745 --> 01:19:03,879
As the documents arrived
2364
01:19:03,913 --> 01:19:04,880
At the senate...
2365
01:19:04,914 --> 01:19:06,665
>> zinn: I think dan was
2366
01:19:06,699 --> 01:19:09,234
Disappointed in that he may
2367
01:19:09,268 --> 01:19:11,503
Have expected too much from
2368
01:19:11,537 --> 01:19:12,971
The publication of the papers.
2369
01:19:13,005 --> 01:19:14,238
He may have expected that
2370
01:19:14,272 --> 01:19:16,173
The publication of the papers
2371
01:19:16,208 --> 01:19:18,142
Would create a greater sensation
2372
01:19:18,176 --> 01:19:19,110
Than it did.
2373
01:19:19,144 --> 01:19:20,244
Of course, it created
2374
01:19:20,278 --> 01:19:21,312
A sensation.
2375
01:19:21,346 --> 01:19:22,880
>> where is mr. Ellsberg?
2376
01:19:22,914 --> 01:19:24,515
[laughter]
2377
01:19:24,549 --> 01:19:25,950
>> I hope he's in jail.
2378
01:19:25,985 --> 01:19:27,085
[laughter]
2379
01:19:27,119 --> 01:19:28,403
>> zinn: But I think he was
2380
01:19:28,437 --> 01:19:29,604
Disappointed in the fact that
2381
01:19:29,639 --> 01:19:30,838
The substance of the papers,
2382
01:19:30,873 --> 01:19:32,674
The content of the papers
2383
01:19:32,708 --> 01:19:34,208
Did not seem to be absorbed
2384
01:19:34,242 --> 01:19:35,610
By the public.
2385
01:19:35,644 --> 01:19:38,713
[�...]
2386
01:19:38,747 --> 01:19:40,181
>> ellsberg: I gave up my job,
2387
01:19:40,215 --> 01:19:41,649
My career, my clearance, and I
2388
01:19:41,684 --> 01:19:45,152
Staked my freedom on a gamble:
2389
01:19:45,187 --> 01:19:47,455
If the american people knew the
2390
01:19:47,489 --> 01:19:49,457
Truth about how they had been
2391
01:19:49,491 --> 01:19:51,826
Lied to, about the myths that
2392
01:19:51,861 --> 01:19:54,362
Had led them to endorse this
2393
01:19:54,396 --> 01:19:56,931
Butchery for 25 years, that
2394
01:19:56,966 --> 01:19:59,200
They would choose against it.
2395
01:19:59,234 --> 01:20:00,702
And the risk that you take
2396
01:20:00,736 --> 01:20:02,486
When you do that is that you'll
2397
01:20:02,521 --> 01:20:04,288
Learn something ultimately about
2398
01:20:04,322 --> 01:20:05,890
Your fellow citizens that you
2399
01:20:05,925 --> 01:20:08,193
Won't like to hear, and that is
2400
01:20:08,227 --> 01:20:10,261
That they hear it, they learn
2401
01:20:10,295 --> 01:20:12,363
From it, they understand it,
2402
01:20:12,397 --> 01:20:14,866
And they proceed to ignore it.
2403
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:17,835
[�...]
2404
01:20:24,209 --> 01:20:57,258
[explosions]
2405
01:20:57,293 --> 01:20:58,426
...I remember speaking about
2406
01:20:58,461 --> 01:20:59,844
A year ago and expressing the
2407
01:20:59,878 --> 01:21:01,612
Hope that we would end this war
2408
01:21:01,647 --> 01:21:02,914
Before we had dropped another
2409
01:21:02,949 --> 01:21:04,582
Million tons of bombs
2410
01:21:04,616 --> 01:21:05,683
On the vietnamese.
2411
01:21:05,717 --> 01:21:06,684
Well, that hope has
2412
01:21:06,718 --> 01:21:07,718
Been disappointed.
2413
01:21:07,753 --> 01:21:09,153
...We could never get into the
2414
01:21:09,187 --> 01:21:11,289
Paper the very fact that we had
2415
01:21:11,323 --> 01:21:12,791
Reported the bombing tonnage.
2416
01:21:12,825 --> 01:21:14,559
They didn't even go so far as
2417
01:21:14,593 --> 01:21:16,928
To say, "the ellsbergs have this
2418
01:21:16,962 --> 01:21:19,097
Funny habit in every daily press
2419
01:21:19,131 --> 01:21:21,299
Conference of saying, 'here's
2420
01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:22,700
How many bombs we dropped
2421
01:21:22,734 --> 01:21:23,801
Last week.'"
2422
01:21:23,835 --> 01:21:26,036
...We've dropped another 200,000
2423
01:21:26,071 --> 01:21:27,938
Tons of bombs on indochina.
2424
01:21:27,973 --> 01:21:29,474
That's 10 hiroshimas,
2425
01:21:29,508 --> 01:21:31,175
One hiroshima a week.
2426
01:21:31,210 --> 01:21:32,076
...They never even mentioned
2427
01:21:32,110 --> 01:21:33,478
We'd said it, let alone reflect
2428
01:21:33,512 --> 01:21:35,012
On the fact that it was
2429
01:21:35,046 --> 01:21:36,480
Happening.
2430
01:21:36,515 --> 01:21:38,315
When I knew we were gonna bomb
2431
01:21:38,350 --> 01:21:40,718
Vietnam forever, that was like
2432
01:21:40,752 --> 01:21:42,453
Bombing the neighborhood.
2433
01:21:42,488 --> 01:21:43,388
The people there were more
2434
01:21:43,422 --> 01:21:44,855
Than pictures for me and they
2435
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:47,592
Were more than numbers.
2436
01:21:47,626 --> 01:21:53,731
[�...]
2437
01:21:53,765 --> 01:21:55,433
>> when we went to select our
2438
01:21:55,468 --> 01:21:57,351
Jury, we brought in an expert,
2439
01:21:57,385 --> 01:22:00,188
Actually a psychiatrist.
2440
01:22:00,222 --> 01:22:02,223
He told us we were defending
2441
01:22:02,257 --> 01:22:05,076
Two young men-- bright, high
2442
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:07,879
Achievers, men with a future--
2443
01:22:07,913 --> 01:22:09,713
Who were willing to risk it all
2444
01:22:09,748 --> 01:22:12,183
For the sake of not themselves
2445
01:22:12,217 --> 01:22:13,551
Or their own careerist
2446
01:22:13,585 --> 01:22:15,119
Interests, but for the sake
2447
01:22:15,154 --> 01:22:16,587
Of a principle.
2448
01:22:16,622 --> 01:22:19,240
And the psychiatrist said to us,
2449
01:22:19,275 --> 01:22:21,809
"you don't want on this jury
2450
01:22:21,843 --> 01:22:25,179
Men of middle age, because these
2451
01:22:25,214 --> 01:22:27,632
Are people who in the course of
2452
01:22:27,666 --> 01:22:29,900
Their lives might possibly have
2453
01:22:29,935 --> 01:22:32,136
Sacrificed principle for the
2454
01:22:32,170 --> 01:22:34,305
Sake of career, for the sake of
2455
01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:36,808
Family, and they lived with that
2456
01:22:36,842 --> 01:22:39,777
Compromise, and they will have
2457
01:22:39,812 --> 01:22:43,748
A lot of disdain, even contempt
2458
01:22:43,782 --> 01:22:45,650
For two men who did it for
2459
01:22:45,684 --> 01:22:47,184
The sake of principle and
2460
01:22:47,219 --> 01:22:48,486
Took the risk."
2461
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:49,820
>> in los angeles today, daniel
2462
01:22:49,855 --> 01:22:51,356
Ellsberg returned to the witness
2463
01:22:51,390 --> 01:22:52,657
Stand in the pentagon papers
2464
01:22:52,691 --> 01:22:54,292
Case, and for the first time,
2465
01:22:54,326 --> 01:22:55,793
The chief defendant spelled out
2466
01:22:55,827 --> 01:22:57,378
How he changed from hawk to dove
2467
01:22:57,413 --> 01:22:58,646
On the vietnam war.
2468
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,081
>> ellsberg: When I was on the
2469
01:23:00,115 --> 01:23:02,550
Stand for four and a half days,
2470
01:23:02,584 --> 01:23:04,218
I actually recalled this
2471
01:23:04,253 --> 01:23:06,520
Particular incident in 1966
2472
01:23:06,555 --> 01:23:08,756
When I came on a burning village
2473
01:23:08,958 --> 01:23:10,391
That was burning because our
2474
01:23:10,425 --> 01:23:13,161
Vietnamese troops had fired on
2475
01:23:13,195 --> 01:23:15,029
It, and in the course of that,
2476
01:23:15,063 --> 01:23:17,398
I saw some kids picking through
2477
01:23:17,433 --> 01:23:20,368
The embers of their huts for a
2478
01:23:20,402 --> 01:23:22,403
Little plastic doll.
2479
01:23:22,438 --> 01:23:24,472
That was extremely anguishing
2480
01:23:24,507 --> 01:23:26,841
For me to see this sad
2481
01:23:26,875 --> 01:23:27,742
Appearance.
2482
01:23:27,776 --> 01:23:29,577
This is what the war meant to
2483
01:23:29,612 --> 01:23:31,045
Them, really, the destruction
2484
01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:34,782
Of their homes and their lives.
2485
01:23:34,817 --> 01:23:49,129
[�...]
2486
01:23:49,164 --> 01:23:51,098
>> at the pentagon papers trial
2487
01:23:51,132 --> 01:23:52,500
In california today, it was
2488
01:23:52,534 --> 01:23:53,868
Revealed that the people who
2489
01:23:53,902 --> 01:23:55,837
Burglarized the watergate also
2490
01:23:55,871 --> 01:23:57,572
Burglarized the office of daniel
2491
01:23:57,606 --> 01:23:58,740
Ellsberg's psychiatrist.
2492
01:23:58,774 --> 01:23:59,741
>> mr. Ehrlichman, are you
2493
01:23:59,775 --> 01:24:01,242
Telling me that the break-in
2494
01:24:01,276 --> 01:24:02,143
To dr. Fielding's office was
2495
01:24:02,178 --> 01:24:03,211
To satisfy the president of
2496
01:24:03,245 --> 01:24:04,345
The United States?
2497
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:05,179
>> the president wanted very
2498
01:24:05,213 --> 01:24:06,748
Much to make sure that a thing
2499
01:24:06,782 --> 01:24:07,982
Like this could not happen
2500
01:24:08,017 --> 01:24:09,267
Again.
2501
01:24:09,301 --> 01:24:11,135
>> krogh: At no time did anyone
2502
01:24:11,169 --> 01:24:12,470
Ask "is this the right thing
2503
01:24:12,504 --> 01:24:13,704
To do?"
2504
01:24:13,739 --> 01:24:15,072
We never looked at either
2505
01:24:15,106 --> 01:24:16,540
The legal issues, the ethical
2506
01:24:16,575 --> 01:24:17,875
Issues, the spiritual issues.
2507
01:24:17,909 --> 01:24:19,777
None of those things came
2508
01:24:19,811 --> 01:24:21,245
To the level of consciousness.
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01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,347
It was a collapse of integrity
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01:24:23,382 --> 01:24:24,882
Of the first order.
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01:24:24,917 --> 01:24:27,351
>> the revelation in the trial
2512
01:24:27,385 --> 01:24:29,721
Of the pentagon papers that
2513
01:24:29,755 --> 01:24:31,255
The white house had sent
2514
01:24:31,289 --> 01:24:33,691
The plumbers to los angeles
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01:24:33,726 --> 01:24:36,060
Really, I think, broke open
2516
01:24:36,095 --> 01:24:38,462
The watergate scandal.
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01:24:38,497 --> 01:24:40,965
And then to top it all off,
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01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,234
If the story needed topping,
2519
01:24:43,268 --> 01:24:45,269
The fact that the president
2520
01:24:45,303 --> 01:24:47,872
Met with the presiding judge.
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01:24:47,906 --> 01:24:49,240
>> the man presiding over the
2522
01:24:49,274 --> 01:24:50,875
Ellsberg case, judge matthew
2523
01:24:50,909 --> 01:24:52,143
Byrne, today confirmed that
2524
01:24:52,177 --> 01:24:53,377
Ehrlichman had offered him
2525
01:24:53,411 --> 01:24:55,079
The job of f.B.I. Director.
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01:24:55,114 --> 01:24:56,380
>> it didn't seem possible,
2527
01:24:56,414 --> 01:24:57,915
But there were even more
2528
01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:59,517
Sensational developments today
2529
01:24:59,551 --> 01:25:01,268
Involving the white house:
2530
01:25:01,303 --> 01:25:02,670
An admission from the federal
2531
01:25:02,705 --> 01:25:04,405
Bureau of investigation that it
2532
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,207
Had listened to daniel ellsberg
2533
01:25:06,241 --> 01:25:08,476
On wiretaps as long as two years
2534
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:09,877
Before he released the pentagon
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01:25:09,912 --> 01:25:10,812
Papers.
2536
01:25:10,846 --> 01:25:11,679
>> good evening.
2537
01:25:11,714 --> 01:25:13,347
A federal judge in los angeles
2538
01:25:13,381 --> 01:25:14,849
Today declared a mistrial
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01:25:14,883 --> 01:25:16,250
In the pentagon papers case.
2540
01:25:16,284 --> 01:25:17,785
He dismissed all the charges
2541
01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:18,920
Against daniel ellsberg
2542
01:25:18,954 --> 01:25:19,921
And anthony russo.
2543
01:25:19,955 --> 01:25:21,022
[crowd applauding...]
2544
01:25:21,056 --> 01:25:22,256
The judge ruled that the
2545
01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:23,424
Government had so tainted its
2546
01:25:23,458 --> 01:25:25,292
Own case as to make a fair trial
2547
01:25:25,327 --> 01:25:28,029
Impossible.
2548
01:25:28,063 --> 01:25:29,664
>> a presidential prosecution
2549
01:25:29,698 --> 01:25:31,633
That started, we now know,
2550
01:25:31,667 --> 01:25:33,101
In order to help re-elect a
2551
01:25:33,135 --> 01:25:35,003
President, and it's ending now,
2552
01:25:35,037 --> 01:25:37,105
I think, to avoid impeaching
2553
01:25:37,139 --> 01:25:38,305
That same president.
2554
01:25:38,340 --> 01:25:39,941
But it won't stop that process,
2555
01:25:39,975 --> 01:25:41,308
Because the facts, thanks in
2556
01:25:41,343 --> 01:25:42,944
Part to this trial, are out
2557
01:25:42,978 --> 01:25:43,877
On the table.
2558
01:25:43,912 --> 01:25:45,313
They're out of the safes just
2559
01:25:45,347 --> 01:25:46,647
As the pentagon papers are out
2560
01:25:46,681 --> 01:25:47,982
Of the safes, and they're the
2561
01:25:48,016 --> 01:25:49,350
Same kind of facts, and they
2562
01:25:49,384 --> 01:25:53,721
Can't be put back in the safes.
2563
01:25:53,755 --> 01:25:56,690
>> nixon on tape:
2564
01:26:21,316 --> 01:26:24,752
>> because of what dan did and
2565
01:26:24,786 --> 01:26:27,355
The overreaction of an imperial
2566
01:26:27,389 --> 01:26:29,290
President, if you will, to what
2567
01:26:29,324 --> 01:26:32,960
Had happened... It changed
2568
01:26:32,994 --> 01:26:35,029
History.
2569
01:26:42,604 --> 01:26:45,540
It was the cover-up of the
2570
01:26:45,574 --> 01:26:48,142
Ellsberg break-in that concerned
2571
01:26:48,177 --> 01:26:50,144
The white house, and the seeds
2572
01:26:50,179 --> 01:26:52,062
Of all of watergate occur
2573
01:26:52,096 --> 01:26:54,498
In the pentagon papers.
2574
01:26:58,837 --> 01:26:59,837
>> schelling: The greatest
2575
01:26:59,871 --> 01:27:02,773
Result of what he did was to get
2576
01:27:02,808 --> 01:27:04,809
President nixon out of office.
2577
01:27:04,843 --> 01:27:06,009
[chuckling]: That wasn't,
2578
01:27:06,044 --> 01:27:07,912
I'm sure, any part of his
2579
01:27:07,946 --> 01:27:10,214
Expectation or his intention.
2580
01:27:10,248 --> 01:27:13,217
[�...]
2581
01:27:28,233 --> 01:27:30,501
>> falk: What has remained
2582
01:27:30,535 --> 01:27:33,738
Significant about the release
2583
01:27:33,772 --> 01:27:36,874
Of the pentagon papers is the
2584
01:27:36,908 --> 01:27:40,410
Decision by a public official
2585
01:27:40,445 --> 01:27:44,164
To give priority to conscience
2586
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:46,233
As compared to career.
2587
01:27:46,267 --> 01:27:47,801
>> the fact is that secrets can
2588
01:27:47,835 --> 01:27:49,603
Be held by men in the government
2589
01:27:49,637 --> 01:27:51,405
Whose careers have been spent
2590
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:52,673
Learning how to keep their
2591
01:27:52,707 --> 01:27:53,507
Mouths shut.
2592
01:27:53,542 --> 01:27:54,741
I was one of those.
2593
01:27:54,776 --> 01:27:55,976
>> kehler: If you have somebody
2594
01:27:56,010 --> 01:27:57,545
Who starts with such a
2595
01:27:57,579 --> 01:27:59,680
Background within government
2596
01:27:59,714 --> 01:28:01,148
And who understands what dan
2597
01:28:01,183 --> 01:28:02,550
Understands about how it works
2598
01:28:02,584 --> 01:28:05,619
From the inside and who then
2599
01:28:05,653 --> 01:28:08,489
Continues to speak out,
2600
01:28:08,523 --> 01:28:10,124
Constantly trying to unmask
2601
01:28:10,158 --> 01:28:11,692
The lies and reveal the truth
2602
01:28:11,726 --> 01:28:13,227
So that people can make honest,
2603
01:28:13,261 --> 01:28:14,928
Clear decisions about their own
2604
01:28:14,963 --> 01:28:16,697
Lives and about the life of our
2605
01:28:16,731 --> 01:28:18,432
Nation, the life of the world...
2606
01:28:18,467 --> 01:28:19,700
He is the preeminent
2607
01:28:19,735 --> 01:28:21,068
Whistle-blower in the very best
2608
01:28:21,102 --> 01:28:24,905
And broadest and deepest sense.
2609
01:28:24,939 --> 01:28:27,608
>> we as a people do have
2610
01:28:27,642 --> 01:28:29,877
That power, the power to
2611
01:28:29,911 --> 01:28:31,945
Change ourselves and history.
2612
01:28:31,980 --> 01:28:33,213
We are here today...
2613
01:28:33,248 --> 01:28:34,515
>> krogh: I think the resonance
2614
01:28:34,783 --> 01:28:37,084
That I feel with dan is that he
2615
01:28:37,118 --> 01:28:40,588
Is trying always to do what he
2616
01:28:40,622 --> 01:28:42,790
Thinks is the highest right
2617
01:28:42,825 --> 01:28:44,625
Under the circumstances,
2618
01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:46,461
Regardless of the consequences.
2619
01:28:46,495 --> 01:28:48,329
I was not able to do that
2620
01:28:48,363 --> 01:28:49,764
When I worked in the government.
2621
01:28:49,798 --> 01:28:51,732
I was too tied in to the group
2622
01:28:51,767 --> 01:28:54,518
I was working for.
2623
01:28:54,552 --> 01:28:56,653
But dan does that all the time.
2624
01:28:56,688 --> 01:28:58,205
It's an amazing life the way
2625
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:00,308
He has lived it over the last
2626
01:29:00,342 --> 01:29:02,242
30 years since all those things
2627
01:29:02,277 --> 01:29:07,848
Occurred.
2628
01:29:07,882 --> 01:29:10,117
>> zinn: His act had an effect
2629
01:29:10,151 --> 01:29:12,787
On him, a profound effect on him
2630
01:29:12,821 --> 01:29:14,722
And on the rest of his life.
2631
01:29:14,756 --> 01:29:16,857
He was never going to rest easy
2632
01:29:16,891 --> 01:29:19,427
From that point on unless he was
2633
01:29:19,461 --> 01:29:22,229
Part of some movement against
2634
01:29:22,263 --> 01:29:25,232
War and for social justice.
2635
01:29:25,266 --> 01:29:27,067
And so all these years since
2636
01:29:27,101 --> 01:29:28,969
Then, he has acted in the same
2637
01:29:29,003 --> 01:29:31,038
Spirit in which he revealed
2638
01:29:31,072 --> 01:29:34,141
The papers to the nation.
2639
01:29:34,175 --> 01:29:36,109
[�...]
2640
01:29:36,144 --> 01:29:37,478
>> ellsberg: The courage we
2641
01:29:37,512 --> 01:29:40,448
Need is not the courage, the
2642
01:29:40,482 --> 01:29:44,018
Fortitude, to be obedient in
2643
01:29:44,052 --> 01:29:47,170
The service of an unjust war,
2644
01:29:47,205 --> 01:29:50,040
To help conceal lies, to do our
2645
01:29:50,075 --> 01:29:53,060
Job by a boss who has usurped
2646
01:29:53,094 --> 01:29:55,029
Power and is acting as an outlaw
2647
01:29:55,063 --> 01:29:56,030
Government.
2648
01:29:56,064 --> 01:29:58,265
It is the courage at last to
2649
01:29:58,299 --> 01:30:00,768
Face honestly the truth and
2650
01:30:00,802 --> 01:30:03,037
The reality of what we are doing
2651
01:30:03,071 --> 01:30:05,573
In the world and act responsibly
2652
01:30:05,607 --> 01:30:08,042
To change it.
2653
01:30:08,076 --> 01:30:14,114
[�...]
2654
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:30,497
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