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hello anybody that is watching hi
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early on with battalion she was doing as
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many things as possible to cause hurt or
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harm or men
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laughs
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I've got my adopted daughter trying to
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poison and kill my wife
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we have had her standing over my bed
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with a knife
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she's clearly dangerous
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at this point what do we do we we take
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her to the stress Center
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we buy a psychiatric doctor and so at
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this point in time we had already begun
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asking mental health professionals for
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help trying to find guidance trying to
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figure out the right medication
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we're told that every time is
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something you can do about this
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is
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this
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and she can't stay at the stress Center
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she's she's yours take her home
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he did say
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you can't let Natalia have free roam at
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the house anymore
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you need to put a latch on the outside
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of her door
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and anytime she meets food bath bathroom
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whatever's needed you need to escort her
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through the house
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cannot let her freely roam your home
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anymore
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at this point we haven't done anything
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as a family for a long time
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we can't go to eat dinner together we
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can't go to the grocery store together
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we are always on guard for things we
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don't do anything
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so
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Ethan my youngest son loved cats so for
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his birthday we find a place in
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Indianapolis that lets you milk your own
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kettle
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it's called Traders Point Creamery
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we get inside and they say we have some
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release forms for you to sign out there
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where the cows are it's an electric
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fence
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and you have to say you know there's
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electric fence there and if you touch it
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and you get harmed that you're not going
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to hold us liable
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when they say that to us
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how his eyes lit up like a Christmas
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tree
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really
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scary fence out there and uh I have to
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sign this
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happily signs away
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it's another
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quarter mile from that building to where
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the FED starts everything's fine
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the moment we get within 10 feet of the
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fence
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Natalia suddenly can't walk again
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before we went
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on a trail like
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I swear it stayed back
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So Christine decides you're not going to
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ruin Ethan's birthday
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Michael you take the boys you go on
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ahead
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I will stay back here and I'll handle
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this
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keep going we keep going get about 40 50
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yards down I start hearing screaming
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Italia and Christine are in a physical
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altercation
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it looks like Natalia is trying to pull
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Christine
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now you might think hey she's a little
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person how strong can she be
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uses her arms a lot
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push herself up
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she goes up the stairs using her arms
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she's got guns that Schwarzenegger be
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impressed with
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very strong
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my wife is frail
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he's called lupus
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I start to go back Christine says no
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go
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see once my son to have his first
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birthday go and me and the boys double
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tie it
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would get a little bit farther down
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and we hear the sirens
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the second I heard the sirens
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I thought Christine's dad
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and the police have arrived
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ambulances arrived
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and we can see Christine is there
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Christine's very angry very upset
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the Italians over with the the EMTs
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she been screaming out loud
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how am I with language in the
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in the words you [ __ ] I'm gonna kill
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you I'm going to kill you you [ __ ]
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you're gonna die
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Christine's screaming at them she needs
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to be arrested she tried to kill me she
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we wanted charges we wanted her arrested
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she admittedly
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through their face when they came to the
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9-1-1 call and said
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I'm trying to kill her
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they made the distinction that they're
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visual
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told them hey
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hey that's a little girl
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she's not really trying to kill anybody
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she's sick we're going to take her to
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the hospital instead
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but they stated we're we're not going to
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press charges she's going to get a
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mental health evaluation
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I think she was already in the ambulance
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by the time I'd come back
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it's like oh
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I like it
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I felt a sense of relief like
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we'll save her
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I'll see him and I said she has to go
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to a hospital Long Term and get help we
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didn't know how long
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she can't come home until she's better
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Natalia was in a state mental hospital
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she was under 24 7 observation and care
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of 90 doctors nurses orderlies
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therapists Etc
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he's there she admits openly and freely
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that yeah trying to kill her
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and by the way I'm going to tell you
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doctors and I'm going to write this in
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my journal
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I'm gonna kill the boys too
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and here's specifically what I'm gonna
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do to them I am going to stab them with
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a knife while they sleep
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drag their bodies out of the house
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the page or this picture immediately
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after being admitted to the Ricardo
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State Hospital
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it says buy as in goodbye
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he was aggressive she was very
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manipulative she could be sneaky at
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times
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gonna speak English
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I remember she used to fight with a
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staff
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that gave her injection our backside
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obviously a solution to inspire so one
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of the first thing he noticed is she
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does actually care
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machine was all adults I mean the the
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clothing The Talk
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and remember seeing how mature he was
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Central busy she was
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her clothing became very revealing of
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her body and over
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he talked about sex a lot
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she was on the table and
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and now patients there
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she was
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2000 being
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after a couple weeks
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weeks phone call from them
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you gotta come get her
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why
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well they try to be really delicate with
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Natalia's propositioning the men
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what are you talking about
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Natalia was up the root Carter we've
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been trying to get her to inpatient
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treatment we have been begging people
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to help us we've been told by everybody
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who need help desperately your family's
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in danger she needs inpatient treatment
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great we are at an inpatient facility
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that's fantastic can you help us know
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Mr Barnett
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mental hospital
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the adult way
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most of the men
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they're not particularly good with
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and they're not particularly good with
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girls
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as time went out her true colors really
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came out
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he talked about six at least after
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church
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we recall her being very structural
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please
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have a boyfriend
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they were excited they were very excited
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the language that
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is using you know with the the male
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I was shocked there was a mention of
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her sexual
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babe so after a month they needed her
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out of there because
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bad things are about to happen with all
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the men
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take her home
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she's gonna kill us
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the danger we've been in
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isn't going anywhere anytime soon and it
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can't be controlled
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I'm Beth Karis I'm an attorney in New
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what hooked me in this case it was just
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the strange story
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she's had various diagnoses the last one
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being sociopath
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in my opinion there are questions a lot
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of questions with this case
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the fundamental rule in all
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investigations is that you follow the
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facts wherever they may lead you
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there are some things that just don't
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sit right with me
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she's actually threatening to kill them
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you gotta go to the police
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Christine and Michael don't call the
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but the neighbor who is very concerned
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does call Department of Child Services
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who bring in the police in March of
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2012.
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get a report of child neglect of Natalia
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March comes
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Christina Natalia are having the who are
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you fight
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Christine wants Natalia to write down
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people she's lived with
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Lisa she's been
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it's about people you've known
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and this night Christine decides
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that the most effective way to tell me
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who you really are
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you sleep outside
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grab your blanket
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if you're sleeping on the back deck
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the tie is out there crying finally like
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three hours into this
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I told Christina I can't do this
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I get up I'll let Natalia and I get him
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back to her room
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one of the neighbors called CPS
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so CPS shows up in the door Child
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Protective Services with a detective
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from the local police department
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hey come in they've gotten this call and
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we're neglecting Natalia
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the detective for the Westfield Police
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in 10 minutes
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takes a look at the surroundings
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takes a look at the paperwork listens to
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us speak for a couple minutes
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immediately realizes
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he's not here to protect Natalya
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he's here to protect my sons
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he knows instantly they are in grave
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Danger
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he conducts an investigation he comes
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back and visits us he's got a picture of
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Natalya for when she was naturalized
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here and
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2008.
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here from the Ukraine he's got her
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naturalization uh information basic
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Vital Statistics stuff like that
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Natalya admitted to detective Klaus that
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she was told her new birthday at the
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orphanage in Ukraine
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three
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another thing detective Klaus showed her
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a picture of herself from when she
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entered the country
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I did not recognize herself in the
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picture
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he's not 100 convinced to grow the
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picture he's even her
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another interesting things he mentions
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to us is correct
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years ago when she was naturalized
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grown a centimeter
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I don't care what kind of dwarfism you
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have if you're a six-year-old
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still bro
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forms us
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heat Cranium birth certificate is all
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bogus
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here's this business card to an attorney
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you need to go to them immediately you
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need to correct her age
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what are you talking about correct her
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age you can't just take an eraser to a
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birth certificate I've never heard of
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such a thing I never it never even
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crossed my mind
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I just thought we have an adult who's
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masquering as an eight-year-old and
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that's what it is
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so he explains to me
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unborn children often have inaccurate
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birth records and sometimes it needs to
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be corrected this is our legal
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recommendation from the police
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department
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we have it in writing from
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the only way to protect higher family
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they have to prove she's an adult
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and that she definitely has a fake
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Ukrainian birth certificate
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again we reached out to the adoption
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agency when we asked them can you help
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give us contact information for her old
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family we have got to find out what's
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going on here
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they said no we can't
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the answer is always it is a closed
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adoption the other family does not want
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to surrender any information to you
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it is not until
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a phone call from the secretary of the
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adoption agency a little bit later that
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day
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can't tell you
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where she's from
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closer
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we'll really inspect those backpacks
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stare at the house get the backpacks Out
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start lunging through it
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there was a little light
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when we adopted her
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that had the original family's
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information on it
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what are their names
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Gary and Diane Ciccone
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[Music]
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we know according to records Natalia
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starts her early life than an orphanage
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and you
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all the conflicts in this case boiled
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down to Natalya's age is she a child or
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is she an adult in 2020 a Ukrainian
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investigator
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I found anagawa's sister Tatiana
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[Music]
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foreign
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[Music]
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foreign
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[Music]
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[Music]
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[Music]
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foreign
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who is supposedly Natalya's biological
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mother just said she's been going
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through this Saga for 17 years well she
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said that in 2020
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do the math
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means Natalia May really have been born
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in 2003 which is what she has said all
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along and in 2008 Gary and Diane Saccone
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from new
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Natalia
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Natalia of 2009 it it's possible that
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they found her behavior to be too hard
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to manage I don't know
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sister Collins it's clear that
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they close adoption giving virtually no
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information about her they made a
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mistake though they left their
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identifying information on one of the
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luggage tags
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were able to track
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them down
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[Music]
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[Music]
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my name is Judith Irving and I'm from a
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little town in Indiana and uh
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I don't know what else to say okay can
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we start over I'm so sorry oh Natalia
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the first time I heard about Natalia
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um I actually received an email from
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Little People of America
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little people of America is an
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organization where people with dwarfism
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they can meet and have come together
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once a year and we're there for each
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other we help support each other we're
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friends with each other it's often where
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we meet our husbands or wives or our
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best friend little people of America
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told me that the zip codes had adopted a
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little girl she has diastrophic dwarfism
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and they're trying to find a home for
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her
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when I saw her picture it was I
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instantly fell in love I was like yeah I
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it's this little girl Natalia she's
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meant to she's meant to be my daughter
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if they hurt you love to dance and sing
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and be creative and I was like
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you know she just meant to be with me
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Diane and her husband said paid the
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legal fees and you can adopt
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this little girl if I remember right she
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told
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adoption cost from Ukraine were around
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000 and I find it kind of crazy that you
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would adopt a child and spend 25 000 and
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only spend a year with that child so I
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find it odd I don't know if there was a
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financial scam or not
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[Music]
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my husband decided I don't think we can
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do this financially and I feel like if
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you're going to adopt both parents have
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to be totally into it
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but it broke my heart
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so
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sorry you just uh
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when I wasn't able to adopt her I just
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want her to be happy
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if you would have found out what
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happened to her I was like she wasn't
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happy
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that was what broke my heart the most is
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that she wasn't happy
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in my heart Natalia is the daughter I
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never had
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once we we told them that we couldn't
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adopt
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Natalia they moved on really quickly to
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the next couple
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[Music]
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[Applause]
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[Music]
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my name is Robin Ferris and this is my
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husband Dwayne Ferris
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back in 2009 we received an email from
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the little people of America asking us
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if we might be interested in a possible
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adoption of a little girl named Natalia
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and she hooked us up with the
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um adoptive mom Diane chiconi she had
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asked us if we would cover her previous
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medical expenses
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so right then and there we started to
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get concerned we thought it was some
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kind of weird scam or you know she kind
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of came across as a used car salesman of
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Swords trying to sell Natalya to us
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so we said heck no we're not gonna do
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that we're not gonna pay for anything
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that occurred in the past and I think
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she harped on it a little bit
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but then eventually she gave that up
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no red flag that we were concerned about
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is why Diane adopted her and and so
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quickly wanted to
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basically get rid of her
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we were concerned about her mental
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health coming from an orphanage in
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Ukraine
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so we did ask her if we could please
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have Natalya evaluated
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um for a psychological evaluation to see
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where she stood on that and
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um Miss Diane said no why would someone
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if they didn't have anything to hide why
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would they
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refuse the psychological evaluation yeah
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definitely Shady weird
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um definitely red flags but I was still
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interested I still wanted to pursue
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so we're driving to this lake house in
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New Hampshire where we were meeting for
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Diana Natalya and that reminded me of
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Camp Crystal Lake
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it was kind of spooky he had some
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concerns because the driveway was super
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Steep and it was gravel and us you know
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having physical disabilities just like
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Natalia we were wondering wow how does
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she get up and down the gravel driveway
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because when we first saw Natalya and
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she didn't have shoes at all she has
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these slippery braces on her feet
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and if you're stepping on Pebbles it
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could definitely hurt your feet so we
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were just really surprised she didn't
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have any shoes because you could fall
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down the driveway easily without the
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proper footing
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but we thought she was really adorable
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she was about to turn six years old and
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she definitely looked her stated age
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but we really had a feeling that there
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was something bad going on
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[Music]
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we're both Christians and everybody in
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our opinion has
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god-given natural gifts and one of his
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gifts is the gift of discernment
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you know to the regular
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um average world it would just be more
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of a sixth sense or an intuition
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and a really good lie detector I guess
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Diane
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and Natalya I knew
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that they were lying she was withdrawn
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and quiet and didn't engage yeah she
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would like look up first
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to make sure her answers were
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appropriate
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for Diane and then you asked her what
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the Ukrainian orphanage was like oh yeah
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yeah and she gave an uncoached answer it
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was obvious
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seemed surprised that she said that and
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said oh no it wasn't that bad you were
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fine it was almost like Diane had to
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give her approval
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for her to come out and then as soon as
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she said what she was coached to say she
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went back in I've never seen another
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person do that
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even in movies even in The Exorcist
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[Music]
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I can feel evil when I come into a room
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[Music]
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I couldn't really put my finger on
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whether it was the situation that was
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evil or Natalia there was something
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wrong with her
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and I think that's the first time I've
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ever completely trusted that intuition
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[Music]
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right then is when I made the decision
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the wind this was not gonna happen it's
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as hard as it was to make that decision
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00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,849
because I knew how it was going to
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00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,190
affect you
581
00:28:11,819 --> 00:28:14,599
and when I told you I was like there's
582
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,100
this I can't put my finger on it but
583
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,480
there's something wrong
584
00:28:17,579 --> 00:28:20,249
you call Diane to tell her we weren't
585
00:28:19,558 --> 00:28:21,008
coming back and then
586
00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:24,820
story just got crazier and because she
587
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:24,939
went
588
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,790
ballistic on the phone she was
589
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:32,260
curious I could hear her through the
590
00:28:32,099 --> 00:28:34,709
phone yelling and so I was like okay
591
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,020
we need to go because no time what she
592
00:28:38,339 --> 00:28:40,769
was gonna do I mean she would not
593
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:46,229
[Laughter]
594
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:51,089
Christine Burnett
595
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,930
tried to contact me on Facebook
596
00:28:54,179 --> 00:28:56,919
not long after they adopted Natalya and
597
00:28:57,538 --> 00:28:59,158
I wouldn't talk to her
598
00:29:00,778 --> 00:29:03,618
and I knew that things were not right I
599
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,320
don't know if she's trying to get me on
600
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:07,690
her side or or what she's trying to do I
601
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,710
know I don't know
602
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,260
but maybe it's I'm not going to
603
00:29:12,419 --> 00:29:14,629
entertain even say hello to her
604
00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:19,490
the Barnett's claim that Natalya had
605
00:29:20,220 --> 00:29:22,950
threatened them so what if even if she
606
00:29:22,259 --> 00:29:25,109
did threaten you you're the parent I'm a
607
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,579
teacher I have 600 students some of
608
00:29:26,819 --> 00:29:29,329
those are from really rough families
609
00:29:28,859 --> 00:29:31,529
you know and I've been told I'm gonna
610
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:34,580
cut you up and I've been told I'm gonna
611
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,270
drink your blood and I've been told all
612
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,980
kinds of weird stuff but
613
00:29:39,179 --> 00:29:41,859
I'm not truly scared that that's gonna
614
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:42,219
happen
615
00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:44,650
that child needs help
616
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,910
so you get that child help
617
00:29:47,099 --> 00:29:49,889
so yeah I find actually being scared of
618
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:50,310
a child
619
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:54,019
um when you're a group of full-size Road
620
00:29:54,058 --> 00:29:55,808
adult a little ridiculous
621
00:29:57,058 --> 00:29:59,558
no I started posting on an adoption
622
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:00,630
message board
623
00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:02,250
asking about
624
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:06,530
if anybody had any experience with
625
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,150
Natalia what was it like a year later
626
00:30:09,538 --> 00:30:12,218
that Michael Barnett emailed me out of
627
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,380
the blue and said I think we adopted the
628
00:30:15,659 --> 00:30:18,049
little girl you were talking about
629
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,730
is it her name Natalya some other things
630
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,209
I was like yep that's her
631
00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:26,310
Christine his wife wanted to talk to you
632
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:28,359
Christine and I kept in touch over
633
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:30,529
Facebook Messenger for several years it
634
00:30:30,659 --> 00:30:33,329
didn't seem like a lot of shady stuff
635
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:33,630
going on
636
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:37,730
Michael and Christine Burnett I mean
637
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,549
what they would do anything to get what
638
00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:41,670
they want
639
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,929
the live on Natalia being violent
640
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,749
you just don't know the truth or Nets
641
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,010
when Christine started telling us all
642
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,379
these crazy stories we thought wait a
643
00:30:53,099 --> 00:30:53,559
minute
644
00:30:55,558 --> 00:30:58,298
she's tiny yeah all these stories don't
645
00:30:58,619 --> 00:30:59,369
make sense
646
00:31:00,298 --> 00:31:03,028
and so we started figuring it out that
647
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,449
everything Christine told us wasn't the
648
00:31:05,099 --> 00:31:05,499
truth
649
00:31:06,058 --> 00:31:08,388
Christine was using me and Dwayne
650
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
because if she can get us on her side
651
00:31:12,859 --> 00:31:15,309
believing you know that Natalia had
652
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,940
issues then she would feel Justified it
653
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:20,449
may be getting rid of her
654
00:31:21,298 --> 00:31:23,928
Michael and Christine Burnett not only
655
00:31:24,419 --> 00:31:27,149
mine too get her into their family but
656
00:31:29,220 --> 00:31:31,590
they also lied to get rid of her
657
00:31:33,419 --> 00:31:36,269
if they wanted to claim she's older than
658
00:31:35,819 --> 00:31:38,539
what she is I mean I don't know where
659
00:31:37,619 --> 00:31:40,469
they came up with that that's just crazy
660
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,279
like who thinks of that
661
00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:45,880
detective Klaus had told me need to
662
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,820
correct her age
663
00:31:47,038 --> 00:31:49,728
the power legal recommendation from the
664
00:31:49,619 --> 00:31:50,789
police department
665
00:31:51,538 --> 00:31:53,928
for my review of detective classes
666
00:31:53,819 --> 00:31:55,329
report he had several
667
00:31:58,798 --> 00:32:01,598
unfortunately due to his passing 2015 uh
668
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,200
it's impossible for us to confirm or
669
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:06,020
deny the substance
670
00:32:09,019 --> 00:32:11,639
detective Klaus I wrote this email to
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00:32:12,778 --> 00:32:15,188
Heather Wilson departmental services
672
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:18,469
matching a picture presumably taken at
673
00:32:19,980 --> 00:32:22,710
it appears she has baby teeth still in
674
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:23,250
this picture
675
00:32:23,460 --> 00:32:24,910
I'm also attaching a
676
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,859
foot where it appears she has adult
677
00:32:29,220 --> 00:32:29,620
teeth
678
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,160
it appears for all purposes of our
679
00:32:35,349 --> 00:32:36,049
[Laughter]
680
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,060
home study report was prepared
681
00:32:39,778 --> 00:32:42,278
about the Barnett's early 2010 by a
682
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,650
licensed social worker one section that
683
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,859
I found very troubling and it's the
684
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:48,690
background information
685
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,590
the worker asked Michael and Christine
686
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,929
if they had ever had a need domestic
687
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,109
violence or disturbances at home and
688
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,030
they've all said no
689
00:32:58,919 --> 00:33:01,649
State took their word for it that they
690
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,480
relied on the self-reporting
691
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:07,170
you should have gone to the local place
692
00:33:05,819 --> 00:33:08,319
to see if their names ever appeared
693
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,130
because they would have found domestic
694
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:10,179
violence
695
00:33:10,619 --> 00:33:11,189
in 2003
696
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,890
years before this home study evaluation
697
00:33:19,140 --> 00:33:21,710
fighting Michael's got Christine in a
698
00:33:21,778 --> 00:33:22,358
headlock
699
00:33:23,460 --> 00:33:24,920
mayonnaise pushed her
700
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:26,309
[Music]
701
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:31,490
these are situations that are pretty
702
00:33:30,659 --> 00:33:31,179
serious
703
00:33:32,940 --> 00:33:35,550
it's scary you know to think of what
704
00:33:34,558 --> 00:33:37,228
could have been and what all the Evil
705
00:33:36,898 --> 00:33:39,748
dark secrets are that we don't even know
706
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:40,620
that are coming to life
707
00:33:42,778 --> 00:33:45,518
it really doesn't shock me that Michael
708
00:33:45,058 --> 00:33:47,678
and Christine have kept some of these
709
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:48,379
family secrets Secret
710
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:51,449
this is not the public Persona they want
711
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:51,270
to have
712
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,200
[Music]
713
00:33:54,859 --> 00:33:57,359
here every now and then Michael and
714
00:33:57,778 --> 00:34:00,338
Christine would be in the front yard
715
00:33:58,980 --> 00:34:01,650
arguing or fighting or there was no I
716
00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:05,259
never saw anything physical it was just
717
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:05,879
the yelling and the screaming
718
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,929
I felt sorry for Michael because she was
719
00:34:10,378 --> 00:34:12,998
degrading him and calling him a loser
720
00:34:12,659 --> 00:34:13,919
and a jerk and I
721
00:34:15,358 --> 00:34:15,988
poor guy
722
00:34:16,219 --> 00:34:16,739
[Music]
723
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,839
I've been fooled by thinking that they
724
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,939
were the perfect family because I don't
725
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,509
think they were the perfect family
726
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,520
foreign
727
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,280
[Music]
728
00:34:55,460 --> 00:34:55,980
[Music]
729
00:35:05,838 --> 00:35:08,278
made about Natalya acting out in a
730
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,690
violent way
731
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,989
most of them happen within the home but
732
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:14,529
the bottom line is
733
00:35:15,179 --> 00:35:17,039
the incident was told from
734
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,420
this perspective but the last one was
735
00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:22,739
different than Traders Point Creamery
736
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,079
incident had Witnesses
737
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,550
um Chris I worked
738
00:35:28,019 --> 00:35:30,749
at Creamery as a herdsman from 2012 to
739
00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:31,900
2015.
740
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,370
uh so I had gotten a call that there is
741
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,050
crisis on the electric fence officers
742
00:35:42,838 --> 00:35:45,568
were called and that we needed to take
743
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,380
them down to where the individual was
744
00:35:50,699 --> 00:35:53,489
so I was under the impression that when
745
00:35:52,739 --> 00:35:55,469
we got down there that there was going
746
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,259
to be a little person who was
747
00:35:57,380 --> 00:36:00,180
distressed uh very emotional when we get
748
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:01,469
down there
749
00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:01,770
[Music]
750
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,690
caretaker seemed to be the one who was
751
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:07,490
the emotional one of the two
752
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:07,619
[Music]
753
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:11,309
and the little person seemed to be more
754
00:36:10,858 --> 00:36:13,188
calm and rational about the whole
755
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:13,239
situation
756
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,900
there was no mention of the caretaker
757
00:36:16,858 --> 00:36:19,358
being at risk or anything like that
758
00:36:20,699 --> 00:36:22,909
Natalia had been trying to pull
759
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,479
Christine into the electric fence
760
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:26,670
she had been screaming out loud [ __ ]
761
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,419
I'm gonna kill you I'm going to kill you
762
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,290
you [ __ ] you're gonna die
763
00:36:32,699 --> 00:36:35,359
so uh I was there with the officer I
764
00:36:36,838 --> 00:36:39,628
don't remember any of that being said I
765
00:36:39,659 --> 00:36:42,289
don't remember there being any threats
766
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,790
about Bing I'm going to kill
767
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,889
or anything like that I just felt like
768
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,600
the situation had kind of been overblown
769
00:36:49,019 --> 00:36:51,739
and was not really that big of a deal
770
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:53,910
like I have a fairly good memory and
771
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:56,740
I've been positive I would remember that
772
00:37:00,659 --> 00:37:03,459
the biggest thing I remember is thinking
773
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,299
that if I had to deal with the adult
774
00:37:05,579 --> 00:37:07,849
caretaker that I would be really
775
00:37:08,699 --> 00:37:11,499
frustrated just because it felt like she
776
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:14,560
she seemed to be making the situation
777
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:13,959
worse
778
00:37:16,019 --> 00:37:18,869
my name is Marco stetler and at Trader's
779
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:20,330
Point I was a farm manager
780
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,040
phone call from
781
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,070
up and hey we've got an issue there's
782
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,769
somebody on the walking trail they're
783
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,189
having a crisis what should we do can
784
00:37:28,858 --> 00:37:29,488
you turn
785
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,399
dangerous was also the question and both
786
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,389
the answers I should say were no it's
787
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:38,550
not dangerous and also no I can't turn
788
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,949
it off because it's already off I think
789
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,940
that section offenses
790
00:37:41,219 --> 00:37:43,779
because the cows were in a different
791
00:37:42,539 --> 00:37:43,399
part of the
792
00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:46,409
and so my response was maybe a little
793
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:48,650
callous but but mostly because the
794
00:37:48,659 --> 00:37:50,109
threat was so Hollow
795
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:50,559
[Music]
796
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,200
I can't imagine taking a child's threats
797
00:37:57,539 --> 00:38:00,049
like so seriously being truly scared
798
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,409
that you could take their threats
799
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,020
serious but we're not even super strong
800
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,140
we're diastrophics we have joint
801
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,119
problems we have all kinds of issues
802
00:38:09,539 --> 00:38:12,269
that would make it difficult for us to
803
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,319
truly overcome someone we don't have the
804
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,790
capability of truly hurting an adult
805
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:18,940
you know unless you know there was
806
00:38:18,539 --> 00:38:19,709
Firearms involved
807
00:38:21,659 --> 00:38:23,109
that someone like me
808
00:38:24,059 --> 00:38:26,619
that I couldn't damage an adult they
809
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:27,659
could just hold me off
810
00:38:31,858 --> 00:38:34,658
if Michael's version of what happened at
811
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,890
Trader's Traders Creamery is not true
812
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:40,939
to tell you really did not try to push
813
00:38:40,739 --> 00:38:43,529
her into an electric fence and kill her
814
00:38:42,539 --> 00:38:45,089
then it casted out on all the other
815
00:38:44,820 --> 00:38:47,570
allegations of Natalya's acting out that
816
00:38:47,940 --> 00:38:50,450
Michael and Christine has reported I
817
00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:54,150
don't know though that anyone can get to
818
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,770
the truth here because there are so many
819
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,420
stories for everybody
820
00:38:59,579 --> 00:39:02,149
for example Michael's version of what
821
00:39:02,219 --> 00:39:04,439
happened here is not necessarily
822
00:39:03,838 --> 00:39:04,418
reliable
823
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,000
[Music]
824
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,919
at the trainers Point incident how did
825
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,889
the police react I don't know the sons
826
00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:14,060
and I were
827
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,620
ours
828
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,230
we saw the police lights had arrived we
829
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,029
still had a good mile mile and a half of
830
00:39:21,179 --> 00:39:23,969
running through a forest to get back in
831
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,900
the path to get back up there
832
00:39:25,858 --> 00:39:28,808
time all four of us get all the way back
833
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,070
up there
834
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:32,030
value's already gone the officer with
835
00:39:31,739 --> 00:39:33,129
her is already gone
836
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,380
I don't speak to the officers I speak to
837
00:39:35,338 --> 00:39:35,908
my wife
838
00:39:35,769 --> 00:39:36,289
[Music]
839
00:39:39,179 --> 00:39:42,079
keep going we keep going get about 40 50
840
00:39:40,858 --> 00:39:43,658
yards down and I start hearing screaming
841
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,869
I turn and look
842
00:39:47,059 --> 00:39:49,799
Natalia and Christine are in a physical
843
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,680
altercation
844
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:54,100
it looks like Natalia's trying to pull
845
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:54,159
Christine
846
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:54,639
[Music]
847
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:00,700
I don't know what the truth is
848
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,620
raises a question
849
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,170
about whether or not Michael and
850
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,220
Christine kind of orchestrated the
851
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:11,410
Traders Point Creamery incident
852
00:40:11,699 --> 00:40:14,269
they wanted an outside incident where
853
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:17,330
there would be you know some
854
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:20,149
potential Witnesses maybe uh and she
855
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,849
would be taken away for good this time
856
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:24,829
[Music]
857
00:40:36,260 --> 00:40:37,070
right there
858
00:40:37,889 --> 00:40:38,409
[Music]
859
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,720
so a couple things that I want you to
860
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,779
know is that any filling
861
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is safe in this room
862
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okay
863
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you know whatever you disclose your
864
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:54,370
make sense yes okay
865
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the other thing that I want to ask you
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is do you know the difference between a
867
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,519
truth and a lie yes
868
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what happened at the creamery we had
869
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gone to a farm
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871
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and it was kind of fun
873
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874
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875
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the harder it is
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