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WWW.MY-SUBS.CO
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I'm the
front page of the New York Times.
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All of a sudden, the whole world knows.
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I'm hoping the authorities
will take another look.
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I hope so too.
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I gave up making
millions to help build the company.
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During my nine years there,
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there were 12 women
he was intimate with.
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I held a forum.
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There were nine women
who wanted to confront Keith.
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We all resigned.
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We wrote our resignation letter
asking for money
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that was owed to us.
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This is extortion.
We are filing criminal charges.
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They said that I had done
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all of these crimes against them.
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So I had to defend all of those.
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I just spoke to Frank Parlato.
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This is my last resort,
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going to the media,
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and unless there's outrage,
the authorities are not gonna
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step in and do what they should do,
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which is shut this down.
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Oh, my God, it's the attorney general!
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The negative aspect
of shame is what you feel with guilt.
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Shame is actually
the fear of approaching,
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or being associated with others,
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because of whatever you did.
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In other words,
you did something that was shameful.
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Shame is when you don't want
to be associated with something,
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so you fearfully run away from it.
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Just like guilt,
shame is a verdict we pass on ourselves.
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But the issue here
is how you handle shame.
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Someone who is at cause
doesn't feel shame in the same way.
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As the results of their actions
unfold to them,
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they feel a strong
motivation to stop it.
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When the at cause person sees
something they've done going awry,
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and realizes that they've
participated in something
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that goes against their values,
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they're motivated to face it,
and do something about it.
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They feel empowered.
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♪ Days we were young ♪
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♪ We took photographs ofeverything we could see ♪
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♪ We had to run from it ♪
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♪ Priest and prophetess ♪
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♪ We were nothingwe would defy ♪
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♪ Oh, invisible skin ♪
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♪ Where is the world within ♪
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♪ Invincible skin ♪
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♪ It's how we all begin ♪
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In the past two weeks,
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since the "New York Times"
articles have come out,
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I would say 100 publications
have picked up the story.
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"People" to "Megyn Kelly"
to "20/20," "Nightline."
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This is, like, all over
the freaking world.
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And I am conflicted,
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because I have a child who's blaming me
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for potentially destroying her
reputation for the rest of her life.
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This is a horrible situation
for a parent to be in.
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He's not even commented.
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I sent him the media that
we got online yesterday,
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I texted him the cover
of the newspaper.
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He's not even...
I said, "We need to talk."
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Nothing. Nothing!
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And I am a tad hysterical right now.
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Part of me was fantasizing that
she would say, "Mom, come get me.
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You're right.
I want to come home."
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And that's not the case at all.
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In fact, quite the opposite.
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I texted her...
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"Darling, please call me.
I love you."
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Nothing. No response.
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And quite frankly,
if I were in her position,
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I would be pretty pissed, too.
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Sarah Edmondson Hello?
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Hi, love.
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- How are you?
- I'm okay.
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Catherine, you said you have news.
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Can you fill us in?
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Yeah. Okay, so,
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the chief investigator in the Attorney
General Schneiderman's office
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has reached out to me,
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and they're interested in
the criminal angle.
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What we need
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is evidence of criminality,
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that will help bolster a criminal case.
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We need to be able to
collect all the evidence,
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to hand a package in to the authorities.
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Okay.
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We need
more people to come out on the record,
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stating their experience.
And if those people
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have been involved
in illegal activities,
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or aware of illegal activities,
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- we need that information.
- Mm-hmm.
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Okay, here is a question, guys.
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Who can we bring in to help us,
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because all of us can't do all of this.
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Look... look, remember,
we have different agendas.
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I have a child to save.
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- I don't want to burden you...
- Of course.
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- With extra stuff, so.
- No.
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This is, she's not my child, but I...
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I'll have your back wherever
you want me to have your back.
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Okay?
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Thank you, Sarah.
That means a lot to me.
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All right, I'm gonna start a list.
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Anyone for sure that we can trust.
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And I'm just gonna say,
"Who wants to help?"
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- Is that okay?
- Yeah, fantastic.
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Yeah, that's great.
I think that's great.
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And remember Frank Parlato?
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He has a lot of sources
inside and outside of ESP
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that report to him.
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He's says he's got about 30 people.
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Right now, he has more information
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about what's going on
than really anybody else.
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Some of the
stuff Frank writes is very vulgar,
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and over the top.
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Like it's really rough.
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Every time
there's an article about India,
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- and they're usually pretty graphic...
- Mm-hmm.
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It hurts.
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But I don't interfere
with his reporting.
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- Is that what it was?
- Yeah.
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I mean,
he's kind of strong-arming these women
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who are not really understanding.
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They're scared to come out, and get,
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you know, screwed by this whole thing.
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He's not at all
remotely sensitive to that.
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Frank has published lies
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about people
that have really hurt them.
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I think he is
potentially guilty of some things
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but they pale in comparison to
everything else that's going on.
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Frank Parlato.
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- Frank?
- Frank Parlato:
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- Hey, how are you?
- I'm okay.
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The chief investigator called me.
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He wants a meeting with me
on Monday, November 6th.
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But I need all the evidence in hand.
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Otherwise, it's a waste of a meeting.
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But I want to strategize, and...
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I'm... Are you available
that weekend prior?
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Monday. So I have
the weekend to prepare.
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Mm-hmm.
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I've never met him in person.
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I imagine he's a character.
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He is a character.
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And he was kind of odd on the
phone when I first reached out.
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But the more I got to know him,
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the more I realized
we have the same agenda.
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And I think he's helped
a lot of people get out.
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Mom, you picked up!
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- What?
- I said hello.
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Listen, I need you to do something.
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Can you call
Charles and get a direct contact
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- with the Dalai Lama?
- Uh-huh?
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I want to tell him that my
daughter's being held as a sex slave,
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- to this organization because...
- Yes.
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He should probably make some
sort of public statement.
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And Charles is very close with him.
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Fantastic. All right. So, I just...
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Yeah, I'm landed in... I'm in Buffalo,
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driving right now to
Frank Parlato's house
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to put together the evidence.
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For my meeting on Monday.
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Tonight we're staying at Frank's house.
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No, I've never met him in person.
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I think so.
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What do you think of The Frank Report?
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All right, love you, Mom.
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Bye. I shall.
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Kiss, kiss. Bye.
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Prince Charles.
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He's Mom's second cousin.
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That's it?
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It's the one that looks
like the Addams Family?
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Yeah.
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Hi. It's so good to meet you.
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- This is Jerry.
- Hi.
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- Hi. Nice to meet you.
- Hi. Lovely to meet you.
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- That's Brad.
- Who's Brett?
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- Brad.
- Brad.
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I'm Catherine.
Nice to meet you.
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So, where do you want to work?
Are we gonna need a table?
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- Are we gonna need...
- Oh, we need the printer. Brad...
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I got the printer.
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- Oh, I gotta get the paper.
- Paper.
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I'll do the...
Paper's in the front seat.
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- Would you help me?
- Yeah, I'll grab it.
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Got enough?
Got enough film?
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Um, yeah. We can do as
much as we... as much as you want.
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Let's do "cut" right now,
'cause I gotta talk something private.
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Yeah, but you see,
the real chess people,
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the greatest chess people,
including myself,
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we don't need a board.
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We keep the whole game in our head.
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You plan out 14 steps ahead.
I'm seven to go.
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Can I try pineapple and carrot juice?
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So, Frank has a juicer
that he's never used.
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But we can christen it.
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All right, everybody
cross their fingers.
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I'm sure there's
a better way of doing this.
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Okay!
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Here. You be
the official taster.
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Who else wants juice?
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- It's very good.
- You like it?
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- Yes, very nice.
- Well, it's what we had,
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and I winged it.
That's kind of how I cook.
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Thank you so much.
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Aw, Debbie, you're so sweet.
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Thank you for helping.
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So,
we're trying to put together a package.
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True evidence of criminal activity.
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She's going to see
the Attorney General's
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chief deputy and investigator.
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We have a list of crimes,
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and we want to know how
best to present those crimes,
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and how much information to give
pertaining to each crime.
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Read off some of the crimes.
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So human trafficking, extortion,
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uh, assault, hazing, scheme to defraud.
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Immigration fraud,
wire fraud, money laundering,
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tax evasion,
retaliation against witnesses,
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slavery, kidnapping,
medical malpractice.
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I can't prove all of these claims.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, would you go with a leaner package,
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or a bigger package?
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She can tell you,
they're starving her daughter,
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they're making her sleep deprived,
they've branded her.
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They're coercing her to have
sexual activities,
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and to coerce other women
to have sex with Raniere.
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- It's human trafficking, I think.
- Yeah.
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Yes.
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Well, plus, they all gave collateral.
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And they were told if they
didn't fulfill their assignments,
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they would release that.
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Blackmail. Let's just
call it what it is.
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Exactly.
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And people have gone to law
enforcement with that evidence
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and they still have turned them away.
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So how do we handle
this list of crimes?
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I want to make sure
that I'm saying this right.
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"Clare Bronfman 'loaned, '"
in quotation marks,
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uh, "at least $65 million to Keith
Raniere and NXIVM companies.
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NXIVM declares no income and
therefore cannot repay said loan."
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That's pretty clear?
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They're cooking their books.
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Yeah,
but they're saying it's consensual.
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Most people probably don't know,
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Catherine is India Oxenberg's mom.
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And Catherine's literally been
spending all her time and energy
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compiling evidence
and working with Frank.
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And I believe that Frank probably has
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75 percent of the evidence.
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What we don't have so far
is witness testimonies.
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If all of us write letters,
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basically saying that
there is criminal activity,
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that we believe, we know,
we participated in,
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they may have to look at it.
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What I think everyone
would want to know is
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what kind of impression
we want them to have
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when we write this.
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Yeah, it's really important
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that you share a tiny bit
about your experience,
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that you were brought in
under certain pretext.
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Because ultimately, this is
a criminal enterprise masquerading
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- as a personal growth program.
- Right.
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The idea was to get 100 letters.
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We would use the same system
that got us in, in terms of enrollment,
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to get out, which is to, like,
think of a couple people each
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that we could duplicate this with.
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And I have an example,
if you want me to read it.
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"I had three separate women
contact me fearing for their safety.
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"What were they afraid of?
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"The branding of Keith Raniere
and Allison Mack's initials
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in their pubic area."
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"DOS is a monolithic
and ruthless group,
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"masquerading as a group
designed to liberate women.
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"It relies primarily on coercion
instead of open dialogue,
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"on intimidation
instead of free choice.
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At the beck and call of a man accountable
to no one named Keith Raniere."
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No one's ever done this.
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No one has ever done
what we're doing now
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because they're too afraid
to talk to other people.
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"Is this gonna get back to Keith?"
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That's why he's able to do
what he's done for so many years,
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and not just in ESP.
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We need to expose him.
The more people that expose him,
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the more people come out of the
woodwork and say the same thing.
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All right. Let's start.
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Having something
from you would be helpful.
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It's supposed to be anonymous, anyway.
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It's your story,
but if you want to help them
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to understand the magnitude of it.
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But it frames it in people's heads.
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The more people
that can go on the record,
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stating their experience, the better.
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Whoever you want to reach out to.
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Whoever you think has evidence.
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I think everybody has a
piece of the puzzle. I really do.
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There are so many stories
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of the destruction to people's lives.
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And as they tell us the stories,
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we need to compile
all the information together.
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And all the evidence
to prepare this dossier,
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to present them with a case.
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We want the world to see.
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I'm seeing how long
these things were going on,
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and how far back they went.
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And one thing I found is clear
evidence of financial crimes.
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Susan Dones
was one of the nine that left...
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back in 2009.
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And then they just went after her.
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She was sued on almost 200 charges.
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And she defended herself.
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And won.
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She's an amazing woman.
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And she totally understands
how it all works.
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I was never his follower.
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I never took a course
or anything like that.
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I was his publicist.
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It is astounding how many
people he's intimidated
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and frightened.
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He will spend five million dollars
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against a person,
to punish them for no good reason.
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He enjoys hurting people.
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This is a pattern.
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Just think about Toni Natalie.
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She was the original pioneer
of the defectors.
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She was the only one
out there fighting,
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long before anybody else
came out to fight.
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And she did it
all these years by herself.
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She's had 30 years of Raniere.
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But, you know,
it really wrecked her life.
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My name is Toni Natalie.
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And I was a former girlfriend
of Keith Raniere.
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Keith and I had a bit of
a different relationship.
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He wasn't "Vanguard."
He was Keith.
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He was a businessman when I met him.
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I met a person recently
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who has come up with
a doozy of an idea.
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And I'd like you to meet
this impressive young man.
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- Keith, happy to see you again.
- Yes, happy to see you, too.
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It's an amazing idea.
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Yes, well, sometimes it even amazes me.
346
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But Consumers' Buyline is wonderful.
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And it's working.
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Consumers' Buyline was
a multi-level marketing company,
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where people joined this
membership, and as a group,
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would save hundreds, if not thousands
of dollars, on their purchases.
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We've been able to concentrate
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all this purchasing power
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to get a better deal from the sellers.
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But you have to be represented
by professional buyers
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who shop around for the best value.
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What we are about is getting things
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that we could not get by ourselves.
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We help each other have more.
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It's merely a stepping stone
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to change the way we live,
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and maximize human potential.
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The way he presented himself was,
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"Hi, I'm Keith Raniere.
I have a 240 IQ,
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and I want to
change the world."
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And it became one of the fastest-growing
multi-level marketing companies
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in the country at the time.
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- - News
anchor: The gross receipts
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of CBI's first year of operation
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were under $200,000.
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In 1992, they took a
meteoric rise to $35 million.
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And it was pretty enticing.
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I mean, the program was really good.
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So, I drove up there
to see if it was legitimate.
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You know?
Let's put eyes on this.
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00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:27,792
And when I went in,
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I don't know how to explain it.
It was... energized.
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Consumers' Buyline, may I help you?
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It was a room full of young people,
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working all hours of the day and night,
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all excited about what was going on.
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And he came out...
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And he came up to me in the office,
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and he said,
"Do you smoke?"
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And I said yes. He said,
"Would you like to quit?"
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00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:59,208
And all I can remember thinking was,
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this genius that's
running this huge company
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is gonna stop and take time
and spend time with me,
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00:27:04,208 --> 00:27:05,667
and help me to quit smoking.
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We went into his office,
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and he asked me
what made me comfortable,
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00:27:13,583 --> 00:27:15,083
and what things made me nervous.
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00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,625
And he was using
pressure points on my hands.
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00:27:20,709 --> 00:27:23,917
And he said, "Any time you
feel like you're going to smoke,
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"what I want you to do
is just press that spot,
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and you're not gonna have
the urge to smoke anymore."
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00:27:33,083 --> 00:27:34,750
That's all I remember.
397
00:27:36,333 --> 00:27:39,291
When I walked out, somebody said to me,
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"What were you doing
in there all that time?"
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00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:44,208
And I said, "What do you mean?
I was in there, like, 15 minutes."
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00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:50,083
He said, "No, Toni. You were in
there about two and a half hours."
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00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,166
I went back to Rochester,
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00:28:00,250 --> 00:28:02,750
and then, Keith started calling.
403
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:07,542
Hours and hours and hours
of phone calls.
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00:28:07,625 --> 00:28:09,709
He would share things about his life.
405
00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:11,583
I would share things about my life.
406
00:28:12,375 --> 00:28:14,208
And this went on for months.
407
00:28:15,458 --> 00:28:17,709
So, he knew all of my secrets.
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00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:22,792
He was listening.
He was listening.
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00:28:26,625 --> 00:28:30,500
When I asked him why
someone with a 240 IQ
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00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,583
was doing a multi-level
marketing company,
411
00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,375
"Why aren't you curing cancer
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00:28:34,458 --> 00:28:37,000
or doing something that really
is gonna be very significant?"
413
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,917
And he said this was going
to be the platform he used
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00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,875
to change the world,
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00:28:42,959 --> 00:28:45,000
and didn't I want to come along?
416
00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:48,083
And I was hooked.
417
00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:56,959
He convinced me to
take a train to Clifton Park.
418
00:28:57,333 --> 00:28:59,333
On that first trip out there,
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Keith and I started a, a relationship.
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00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:03,458
A, a physical relationship.
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00:29:04,792 --> 00:29:08,709
And they offered me
a position within the company.
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00:29:08,792 --> 00:29:10,834
My son and I moved up there.
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00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:15,500
I became instantly accepted
by this group of people.
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This is the principle on
which Consumers' Buyline has grown:
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00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,041
friends recommending us to friends.
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00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:27,166
I would love for you
to join our family.
427
00:29:28,208 --> 00:29:31,291
It was very exciting.
It paid extremely well.
428
00:29:32,667 --> 00:29:36,500
But Keith said, "No one can
know about our relationship."
429
00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:40,959
"Well, why's that?" "Because
you don't have a formal education."
430
00:29:41,542 --> 00:29:43,875
People will think you got
the job because of me."
431
00:29:48,125 --> 00:29:51,875
My education is all of
two weeks of tenth grade.
432
00:29:51,959 --> 00:29:54,875
And Keith knew that,
'cause I had shared it with him.
433
00:29:55,917 --> 00:29:58,083
So, he took my shame,
434
00:29:58,166 --> 00:30:00,375
and he figured out a way
to use it to control me.
435
00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:06,250
And then, I started
to feel uncomfortable
436
00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:09,250
with things that were
going on with the company.
437
00:30:11,208 --> 00:30:13,625
Commission checks weren't
going out on time.
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00:30:13,709 --> 00:30:15,000
If you go to work,
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00:30:15,083 --> 00:30:16,917
you want to get paid
at the end of the week.
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00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,291
And that's the bottom line with people.
441
00:30:18,375 --> 00:30:19,834
And people aren't getting paid?
442
00:30:19,917 --> 00:30:21,166
Not that I've heard.
443
00:30:22,542 --> 00:30:23,792
On Saturday night,
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00:30:23,875 --> 00:30:26,000
more than 200
Consumers' Buyline members
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00:30:26,083 --> 00:30:27,166
packed into this theater,
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00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:29,750
all looking to meet the man
behind the company,
447
00:30:29,834 --> 00:30:31,458
President Keith Raniere.
448
00:30:31,542 --> 00:30:33,625
But Raniere did not show up.
449
00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:37,041
The company was accused of being
an illegal pyramid scheme,
450
00:30:37,125 --> 00:30:40,333
that uses unfair sales practices
to sign up new members.
451
00:30:40,417 --> 00:30:43,709
So far, the company is facing
four state investigations,
452
00:30:43,792 --> 00:30:45,041
and several state lawsuits.
453
00:30:46,083 --> 00:30:47,834
Consumers' Buyline was shut down
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00:30:47,917 --> 00:30:51,125
by 22 Attorney Generals
and two federal agencies.
455
00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:55,417
Keith refused to admit
he did anything wrong.
456
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:58,667
He said it was the government
that was after him,
457
00:30:58,750 --> 00:31:01,208
and Walmart, 'cause he
was competing with Walmart.
458
00:31:02,542 --> 00:31:04,625
And at that point,
459
00:31:04,709 --> 00:31:07,000
I kind of thought that
Keith was deteriorating.
460
00:31:07,083 --> 00:31:11,083
And maybe his mind just
wasn't as clear as it was before.
461
00:31:14,208 --> 00:31:15,917
Then came Nancy.
462
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,834
And that was the turning point.
463
00:31:20,125 --> 00:31:23,500
At that time, Nancy Salzman
was my therapist.
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00:31:24,125 --> 00:31:28,417
And she was the number two
NLP expert in the world.
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00:31:35,625 --> 00:31:37,750
A number of years ago,
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I took an NLP course.
467
00:31:40,625 --> 00:31:43,709
I felt that this was at least
part of the answer
468
00:31:43,792 --> 00:31:45,709
to all that had been missing.
469
00:31:45,792 --> 00:31:47,208
I became a trainer,
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00:31:47,291 --> 00:31:50,417
and then proceeded to practice
this newfound skill,
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00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:54,583
teaching and working with
literally tens of thousands of people.
472
00:31:55,625 --> 00:31:59,125
Neuro-linguistic
programming is a type of hypnotherapy.
473
00:31:59,959 --> 00:32:03,000
Nancy Salzman was an NLP master.
474
00:32:03,792 --> 00:32:06,375
Define "lie."
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00:32:07,333 --> 00:32:09,625
What does it mean, lie?
476
00:32:09,709 --> 00:32:12,333
What is a lie?
What does it mean?
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00:32:15,959 --> 00:32:17,792
It was at this point in my life
478
00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:20,333
that I met a gentleman
named Keith Raniere.
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00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:24,291
He could not only voice the questions
480
00:32:24,375 --> 00:32:26,250
that were burning in my mind,
481
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:28,667
but he had the answers.
482
00:32:29,625 --> 00:32:33,083
Keith developed a model
called "rational inquiry."
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00:32:33,166 --> 00:32:36,875
In just minutes,
he could get to core issues.
484
00:32:36,959 --> 00:32:39,083
And he said, "This is
something that I could teach you.
485
00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:41,250
"It's reproducible, it's verifiable.
486
00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:44,250
I could teach it to anyone
who really wanted to learn."
487
00:32:44,667 --> 00:32:46,375
And I really wanted to learn.
488
00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:50,917
A single man had developed a technology
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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,041
to transform and empower the world.
490
00:32:56,667 --> 00:33:00,333
I have a video of
the first class that Nancy did.
491
00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:03,667
And Keith's sitting there.
492
00:33:04,542 --> 00:33:07,500
He watched her
take control of that room,
493
00:33:07,583 --> 00:33:10,083
and it was almost like
a light went off.
494
00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:12,917
He could get her to control the people
495
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,750
that he wanted to control.
496
00:33:39,125 --> 00:33:40,834
They started
talking about this business
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00:33:40,917 --> 00:33:42,834
that they were going to create.
498
00:33:42,917 --> 00:33:46,166
The original intent was to
go into big corporations,
499
00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,250
and sell them their program.
500
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:52,959
It was originally
Raniere Management Systems.
501
00:33:53,041 --> 00:33:56,709
And the first corporate
package that she pitched,
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00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:58,500
they came back with,
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00:33:58,583 --> 00:34:01,792
"We love you, Nancy.
We think this is great.
504
00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:04,625
But we don't want him
to have any involvement."
505
00:34:05,917 --> 00:34:09,834
So when he realized that
his past wasn't going to work,
506
00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:12,375
they kind of regrouped.
507
00:34:18,792 --> 00:34:21,959
And they created
Executive Success Program.
508
00:34:25,917 --> 00:34:28,959
And I went to what I believed
to be the first intensive.
509
00:34:29,917 --> 00:34:33,667
But, you know, your gut just
tells you that something's not right.
510
00:34:36,333 --> 00:34:39,417
I was having sessions with Nancy.
511
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:41,959
I talked to her about
my relationship with Keith.
512
00:34:43,125 --> 00:34:44,417
Too many women around,
513
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:47,625
and too many things
that just didn't fit.
514
00:34:49,792 --> 00:34:53,166
And she said to me,
"You just don't know who he is, do you?"
515
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,166
And I started to really look
at what I was participating in.
516
00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:03,709
And then all of a sudden we were
supposed to call him "Vanguard."
517
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:06,500
- Vanguard!
- Just like the arcade!
518
00:35:08,834 --> 00:35:11,792
It was a video game
that he had in our garage.
519
00:35:14,792 --> 00:35:16,291
That was it.
520
00:35:17,667 --> 00:35:19,458
Whoa! Sorry.
521
00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:24,542
I thought, all right,
I'm going to break up with him
522
00:35:24,625 --> 00:35:26,709
and that's going to be
the end of the relationship.
523
00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:33,041
And that was just kind of
the beginning of hell.
524
00:35:48,375 --> 00:35:49,709
Uh, guys?
525
00:35:51,542 --> 00:35:52,792
- Frank?
- Yes?
526
00:35:52,875 --> 00:35:54,542
I just got a text from India.
527
00:35:55,208 --> 00:35:56,542
Yeah?
528
00:35:57,709 --> 00:35:58,834
"For someone so
concerned with my well-being,
529
00:35:58,917 --> 00:36:02,583
"I find it odd that you've
never visited, that's all.
530
00:36:02,667 --> 00:36:06,291
"If you could pinpoint the danger
that you seem to think I'm in,
531
00:36:06,375 --> 00:36:07,792
"that might help you.
532
00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,875
"Your claims are really
frightening people
533
00:36:09,959 --> 00:36:11,625
"who think I'm also in danger,
534
00:36:11,709 --> 00:36:13,959
"and that's really sad,
since if you were here,
535
00:36:14,041 --> 00:36:16,250
you, too, would see that
there's nothing happening."
536
00:36:21,792 --> 00:36:22,709
I feel him...
537
00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:25,083
I feel him in every word.
538
00:36:29,417 --> 00:36:31,583
The truth is,
she feels really lost to me.
539
00:36:35,625 --> 00:36:38,083
There's a part of me that
just doesn't want to accept it.
540
00:36:38,709 --> 00:36:40,041
Because it doesn't make sense to me
541
00:36:40,125 --> 00:36:42,959
that the child that
I've known for 26 years
542
00:36:43,041 --> 00:36:45,417
is not present anymore.
543
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:51,625
I do feel responsible.
544
00:36:53,083 --> 00:36:55,875
I was always on a spiritual quest,
545
00:36:55,959 --> 00:36:57,875
around gurus and ashrams,
546
00:36:57,959 --> 00:37:00,375
and very often I would bring her,
even as an infant,
547
00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,291
to those places.
548
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,792
So, I've exposed her
to those environments.
549
00:37:07,166 --> 00:37:09,959
And then I feel responsible
for introducing her to ESP.
550
00:37:12,291 --> 00:37:14,375
There are certain
things that we're good at.
551
00:37:14,458 --> 00:37:17,542
And then there are certain things
that we don't know how to do,
552
00:37:17,625 --> 00:37:19,500
or certain limitations
that we experience.
553
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:22,458
Do you guys have a sense
of what those limitations are?
554
00:37:25,625 --> 00:37:27,166
- I used to have that!
- Me too!
555
00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:28,333
Wait, can I write that down?
556
00:37:29,959 --> 00:37:31,500
I took her to an intro.
557
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,333
And she loved it.
558
00:37:35,208 --> 00:37:37,208
She said, "This is for me."
559
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,208
And she wanted to do it with me.
560
00:37:41,667 --> 00:37:44,250
I figured this is an
opportunity to spend five days
561
00:37:44,333 --> 00:37:46,959
doing something introspective
with my child.
562
00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:53,417
And I definitely had experiences
563
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:55,166
that I felt were valuable.
564
00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:58,000
I thought it was a good tool.
565
00:37:59,125 --> 00:38:00,917
I kept doing classes
566
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,834
on and off for a two-year period.
567
00:38:03,834 --> 00:38:06,625
And I overlooked
the things that bothered me.
568
00:38:09,959 --> 00:38:12,583
What I didn't know is that
the whole system was designed
569
00:38:12,667 --> 00:38:14,458
to break a person down
570
00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,417
and lock in a new persona.
571
00:38:24,667 --> 00:38:27,458
I'm looking forward to hearing
what you think I can say to India
572
00:38:27,542 --> 00:38:29,458
that will get through to her.
573
00:38:29,542 --> 00:38:33,333
That will want her
to turn against Keith.
574
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:36,291
Well, it's not turning against Keith.
575
00:38:36,375 --> 00:38:38,083
It's turning towards herself.
576
00:38:40,208 --> 00:38:42,875
But how do you invite
somebody to turn towards themselves?
577
00:38:45,041 --> 00:38:47,125
Well, I think you have
to explain to her,
578
00:38:47,208 --> 00:38:50,000
in truthful language,
what's about to happen.
579
00:38:50,083 --> 00:38:52,417
This is gonna come falling down,
580
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:55,834
and there's probably only one way
581
00:38:55,917 --> 00:38:58,750
- that she can escape humiliation.
- Mm-hmm.
582
00:38:59,583 --> 00:39:03,333
She takes a positive step
583
00:39:03,417 --> 00:39:06,667
towards rebelling and rejecting
584
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:09,333
the interference with her mind
585
00:39:09,417 --> 00:39:11,959
that Keith has done to her,
586
00:39:12,041 --> 00:39:13,417
and to others.
587
00:39:14,959 --> 00:39:17,750
She has to do something heroic.
588
00:39:19,083 --> 00:39:20,542
So, let's say we...
589
00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:23,166
- Let's say I wrote that text.
- Okay.
590
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,834
What is Keith gonna tell her?
591
00:39:25,917 --> 00:39:28,000
Well, he may tell her...
592
00:39:28,083 --> 00:39:29,834
He may tell her,
593
00:39:29,917 --> 00:39:31,542
"Block your mother.
594
00:39:31,625 --> 00:39:33,417
Block your texts."
595
00:39:36,291 --> 00:39:38,250
And then what would we do?
596
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:02,875
She is in the clutches of something
597
00:40:02,959 --> 00:40:04,625
over which I am powerless.
598
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:10,375
And when I realized that
my message to law enforcement
599
00:40:10,458 --> 00:40:13,250
would include me accusing my daughter
600
00:40:13,333 --> 00:40:15,667
of participating in sex trafficking,
601
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:17,792
it hit me really, really hard.
602
00:40:19,792 --> 00:40:21,458
I know she's a victim.
603
00:40:23,041 --> 00:40:24,834
That's the tragedy of it.
604
00:40:27,166 --> 00:40:29,041
And I need to tell the whole story
605
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,333
to get them to pay attention.
606
00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,667
Now I'll show you the war room.
607
00:40:46,709 --> 00:40:48,041
Come on, Ramona.
608
00:40:50,166 --> 00:40:52,166
Come on.
609
00:40:53,667 --> 00:40:56,291
When Keith and I finally split up,
610
00:40:56,375 --> 00:40:58,417
the, uh, last thing he said to me was,
611
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:00,333
"I will see you dead
or in jail."
612
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:04,333
And I thought that was
a really horrible thing
613
00:41:04,417 --> 00:41:06,125
to say to someone at the time.
614
00:41:06,208 --> 00:41:07,375
But I had no idea...
615
00:41:08,709 --> 00:41:10,500
what my future held.
616
00:41:13,583 --> 00:41:17,166
Then I started creating a
timeline of things that happened
617
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:18,583
after I left.
618
00:41:20,542 --> 00:41:24,417
So that I could try to
get my thoughts clear.
619
00:41:30,375 --> 00:41:32,959
It started with phone calls.
620
00:41:34,417 --> 00:41:36,000
All hours of the day and night.
621
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:41,625
They would contact
my credit card companies,
622
00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:43,458
they canceled my medical insurance,
623
00:41:43,542 --> 00:41:45,125
shut off my phone.
624
00:41:45,208 --> 00:41:48,083
They called my son's school
and they canceled his school.
625
00:41:50,083 --> 00:41:51,709
It was a nightmare.
626
00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:55,583
And I, I couldn't figure out
how it was happening.
627
00:42:00,542 --> 00:42:02,375
My neighbor said to me one day,
628
00:42:02,875 --> 00:42:05,250
"That girl with the long hair.
629
00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:08,458
She comes and takes
your mail every day, Toni."
630
00:42:11,208 --> 00:42:13,917
That's how I found out
what was going on.
631
00:42:16,125 --> 00:42:18,041
I filed complaints.
632
00:42:22,458 --> 00:42:25,291
When you kind of have a feeling
like someone's watching you?
633
00:42:26,667 --> 00:42:28,500
He just wanted to let me know
634
00:42:28,583 --> 00:42:31,041
that he could get to me
anytime he wanted to
635
00:42:31,125 --> 00:42:32,667
as easily as he wanted to.
636
00:42:34,417 --> 00:42:36,166
These are just all the files.
637
00:42:37,125 --> 00:42:39,250
This is proof of the criminal case,
638
00:42:39,333 --> 00:42:40,709
timelines,
639
00:42:40,792 --> 00:42:42,625
motions that were filed.
640
00:42:43,583 --> 00:42:45,417
I was forced to file bankruptcy.
641
00:42:45,500 --> 00:42:48,917
They lodged three lawsuits against me.
642
00:42:50,166 --> 00:42:51,542
While that was going on,
643
00:42:51,625 --> 00:42:53,959
he had me investigated by the FBI.
644
00:42:56,792 --> 00:42:58,917
Files and files and files.
645
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:02,375
And every time you pull it all out,
646
00:43:02,458 --> 00:43:03,834
it changes.
647
00:43:03,917 --> 00:43:06,375
You know, what looked like
one thing before
648
00:43:06,458 --> 00:43:08,083
looks completely different now
because you,
649
00:43:08,166 --> 00:43:09,709
you've learned more.
650
00:43:16,041 --> 00:43:18,000
I, I don't know.
651
00:43:27,333 --> 00:43:28,875
This is Pam's.
652
00:43:36,291 --> 00:43:39,291
You'll see she's weighing herself.
653
00:43:40,458 --> 00:43:42,208
Every morsel of food.
654
00:43:42,291 --> 00:43:44,417
One handful of cereal.
655
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,166
One bite of something.
656
00:43:49,875 --> 00:43:51,667
How many miles she ran.
657
00:43:55,166 --> 00:43:58,166
Pam's top 10 experiences.
658
00:43:59,750 --> 00:44:01,834
Winning the 5th Avenue mile.
659
00:44:01,917 --> 00:44:03,917
Meeting Keith.
660
00:44:05,542 --> 00:44:07,041
She met him skiing.
661
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,583
You know, she was the one
he first manipulated.
662
00:44:21,208 --> 00:44:22,709
Meeting Toni.
663
00:44:26,041 --> 00:44:27,667
I came in '91.
664
00:44:29,709 --> 00:44:31,750
The first time I went to Clifton Park,
665
00:44:33,917 --> 00:44:36,667
I remember Pam was
running around the office
666
00:44:36,750 --> 00:44:39,542
saying, "She's here.
Is she family?"
667
00:44:41,625 --> 00:44:43,917
And he said, "Yeah, she is."
668
00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:48,709
She had to commit her life to him.
669
00:44:49,875 --> 00:44:52,291
And part of that was that
she had to help
670
00:44:52,375 --> 00:44:54,750
bring some women into the family.
671
00:44:56,375 --> 00:44:58,291
And she embraced me
672
00:44:58,375 --> 00:45:01,166
with more love and friendship
673
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:02,500
and devotion
674
00:45:02,583 --> 00:45:04,875
than anyone had ever in my life.
675
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:11,166
After I left,
676
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:13,083
I still waited for her to call.
677
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:23,417
So...
678
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:25,041
That's enough of that.
679
00:45:28,458 --> 00:45:29,458
Okay.
680
00:46:47,667 --> 00:46:49,792
If you just look
at the specific crimes,
681
00:46:49,875 --> 00:46:52,709
you'll find that Keith Raniere's
name is not on anything.
682
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,166
But, if you look at the entire system
683
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:58,625
and how the indoctrination
works over a period of decades,
684
00:46:58,709 --> 00:47:01,792
you understand coercion,
and you understand that he is, in fact,
685
00:47:01,875 --> 00:47:03,417
leading and guiding and controlling
686
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,667
every single action in the corporation.
687
00:47:07,875 --> 00:47:09,959
He hasn't got his name on a company,
688
00:47:10,041 --> 00:47:13,083
or didn't explicitly order
somebody to do something,
689
00:47:13,166 --> 00:47:15,208
but his hand is in everything.
690
00:49:11,709 --> 00:49:13,709
When Susan Dones left...
691
00:49:14,375 --> 00:49:15,709
what we were told and what I believed
692
00:49:15,792 --> 00:49:17,250
was that she had maybe
stolen materials,
693
00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:18,959
or misused the tech.
694
00:49:22,542 --> 00:49:24,750
Raniere is saying to make it right,
695
00:49:24,834 --> 00:49:27,125
you know, you have to
make people accountable.
696
00:49:27,208 --> 00:49:28,625
If everybody steals in the world,
697
00:49:28,709 --> 00:49:30,250
what kind of world are
we gonna have? So...
698
00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:33,000
they were trying to make it right.
699
00:49:33,834 --> 00:49:35,542
That's the story that I heard.
700
00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:40,583
When I finally speak to
Susan Dones once I'm out,
701
00:49:40,667 --> 00:49:42,667
she tells me how they went after her.
702
00:49:44,917 --> 00:49:46,667
Why do you need 200 charges
703
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:49,375
if it's the principle that
needs to be challenged?
704
00:49:52,166 --> 00:49:54,375
This has nothing to do with principle.
705
00:49:55,667 --> 00:49:57,417
It's to torture the person.
706
00:50:00,667 --> 00:50:04,250
And I was part of
the opposition against her.
707
00:50:04,709 --> 00:50:06,375
The reign of terror.
708
00:50:12,458 --> 00:50:14,625
I was the enforcer...
709
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:18,917
trying to, like,
capture everybody back into the system.
710
00:50:20,625 --> 00:50:22,125
And what happens is,
711
00:50:22,208 --> 00:50:24,208
people are afraid to ask questions.
712
00:50:25,208 --> 00:50:27,375
You're afraid you'll be seen
as dishonorable.
713
00:50:28,417 --> 00:50:30,125
And I was afraid to ask questions.
714
00:50:33,792 --> 00:50:36,583
I sided with the wrong side of history
715
00:50:37,375 --> 00:50:39,375
against people that were
just trying to get away.
716
00:50:41,917 --> 00:50:43,750
I honestly don't know
how to resolve that.
717
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,333
Hey.
718
00:50:47,417 --> 00:50:48,625
Hello.
719
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:52,417
Mm...
720
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:54,166
Aah!
721
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:55,959
Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark.
722
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:02,417
I never got your side of the story.
723
00:51:02,959 --> 00:51:05,000
I just held out hope
724
00:51:05,083 --> 00:51:06,959
that you would wake up one day.
725
00:51:07,667 --> 00:51:08,667
And, um,
726
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:10,834
- I...
- Took longer than you thought, maybe.
727
00:51:10,917 --> 00:51:12,709
It just took what it took.
728
00:51:12,792 --> 00:51:14,125
Mm.
729
00:51:16,792 --> 00:51:19,417
I am so sorry how
fucked up all this was.
730
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:22,208
'Cause we had a,
a good thing, and we, like,
731
00:51:22,291 --> 00:51:23,375
- got each other?
- Right.
732
00:51:23,458 --> 00:51:25,083
And then as I think you started
733
00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:26,542
pushing against things,
734
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:27,750
they started saying stuff about you.
735
00:51:27,834 --> 00:51:29,792
- Right.
- And it eventually started affecting me.
736
00:51:32,959 --> 00:51:36,166
And I just have, like,
just fuckin' regret.
737
00:51:37,667 --> 00:51:40,208
I think in time you're gonna find
738
00:51:40,291 --> 00:51:43,542
that the stuff that you
have done since you left
739
00:51:43,625 --> 00:51:45,458
is part of your healing.
740
00:51:46,875 --> 00:51:49,417
Being able to stand up and,
and fight for myself
741
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,917
and expose certain things
742
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,500
- that were the truth...
- Mm-hmm.
743
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,792
It was very healing for me.
744
00:51:55,625 --> 00:51:57,583
You know, the guilt and the remorse,
745
00:51:57,667 --> 00:52:00,041
and for me, the betrayal,
746
00:52:00,125 --> 00:52:02,750
that all does eventually resolve.
747
00:52:02,834 --> 00:52:04,250
- Mm-hmm.
- But it's, it's a tough journey.
748
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,125
- Mm-hmm.
- And there's, like, no way around it.
749
00:52:06,208 --> 00:52:08,500
- Mm-mm.
- You, you have to go through it.
750
00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:27,083
Hi. What's going on?
751
00:52:39,542 --> 00:52:40,709
Mm-hmm.
752
00:52:46,834 --> 00:52:49,709
Yes. There's,
um... there's quite a bit.
753
00:53:06,083 --> 00:53:07,834
I feel good this time.
754
00:53:07,917 --> 00:53:09,625
I feel like this is it.
755
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:36,792
Have you seen this?
756
00:53:37,959 --> 00:53:39,875
What was
this? This was for you?
757
00:53:39,959 --> 00:53:41,792
Yeah, that was my death timeline.
758
00:53:44,959 --> 00:53:45,792
Oh, my God.
759
00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:48,375
This is one of the letters
760
00:53:48,458 --> 00:53:50,291
that Keith sent me when I left.
761
00:53:51,291 --> 00:53:53,125
This was what was gonna happen to me.
762
00:53:54,458 --> 00:53:56,875
He's showing her a diagram
763
00:53:56,959 --> 00:53:58,875
of her demise,
764
00:53:58,959 --> 00:54:00,542
basically, is what that looks like.
765
00:54:00,625 --> 00:54:02,000
Right.
766
00:54:03,291 --> 00:54:04,875
So, yeah, I say we,
767
00:54:04,959 --> 00:54:06,667
we do add this, and just say,
768
00:54:07,291 --> 00:54:10,959
"Keith's threats
after I left him."
769
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:14,125
- He's doing the same things.
- Oh, yeah. I know.
770
00:54:14,208 --> 00:54:16,382
- His patterns haven't changed...
- Changed at all.
771
00:54:16,406 --> 00:54:18,406
...in 30 years.
772
00:54:26,625 --> 00:54:28,458
Do you think we
should put the photo of the brand
773
00:54:28,542 --> 00:54:30,083
- right up front?
- Yeah.
774
00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:31,458
And you know what I'd like to add
775
00:54:31,542 --> 00:54:33,291
is that it's two inches by two inches.
776
00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:35,208
The dimensions are significant.
777
00:54:40,667 --> 00:54:42,583
Okay, here it is.
778
00:54:42,667 --> 00:54:44,625
Good. Very good.
779
00:54:45,291 --> 00:54:48,000
Three binders full of evidence.
780
00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:50,709
Done.
781
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:57,583
You want to carry them out?
782
00:54:57,667 --> 00:54:59,709
- Yeah, I would like to.
- Thank you, Frank.
783
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,083
Okay.
784
00:55:13,083 --> 00:55:14,917
Frank, thank you.
785
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:16,291
All right. I'll see you.
786
00:55:16,375 --> 00:55:17,583
I will talk to you shortly.
787
00:55:17,667 --> 00:55:19,250
We'll be in touch.
788
00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:41,583
This building is insane.
789
00:55:43,291 --> 00:55:45,792
It's impenetrable.
790
00:55:50,959 --> 00:55:52,500
I never assumed
791
00:55:52,583 --> 00:55:56,750
that I would be responsible
for so much of this.
792
00:56:00,250 --> 00:56:02,000
I have started a ball rolling,
793
00:56:02,083 --> 00:56:04,917
which I have no control over
the momentum anymore.
794
00:56:09,709 --> 00:56:12,709
And what I'm delivering
to the government
795
00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:14,417
incriminates India.
796
00:56:15,959 --> 00:56:18,667
I'm handing her to them on a platter
797
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,667
as a criminal.
798
00:56:23,583 --> 00:56:26,041
But I would almost rather
she be in jail,
799
00:56:26,125 --> 00:56:28,458
if that's what it will take
to get her out.
800
00:56:40,083 --> 00:56:44,000
♪ This moment
changes everything ♪
801
00:56:44,083 --> 00:56:47,625
♪ This moment changes
everything ♪
802
00:57:05,291 --> 00:57:10,000
♪ This moment
changes everything ♪
803
00:57:13,125 --> 00:57:17,500
♪ The course of blood
within your veins ♪
804
00:57:18,625 --> 00:57:20,417
♪ Oh ♪
805
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:25,834
♪ A stranger's form,
your skeleton ♪
806
00:57:27,333 --> 00:57:28,625
♪ Ooh ♪
807
00:57:28,709 --> 00:57:33,792
♪ See the bones glow
as they break free ♪
808
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:40,458
♪ This moment
changes everything ♪
809
00:57:40,542 --> 00:57:44,333
♪ This moment changes
everything ♪
810
00:57:53,208 --> 00:57:54,458
Everything was to help you grow.
811
00:57:54,542 --> 00:57:57,458
But as soon as you recognized
the person masterminding it,
812
00:57:57,542 --> 00:57:59,959
and is manipulating women
for his own pleasure,
813
00:58:00,041 --> 00:58:01,166
everything changes.
814
00:58:03,375 --> 00:58:06,542
DOS is an effect of years
of indoctrination.
815
00:58:06,834 --> 00:58:10,083
We were led to believe
that Keith was a scientist
816
00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:11,458
we would like to study.
817
00:58:11,542 --> 00:58:12,458
We're experimenting.
818
00:58:12,875 --> 00:58:16,125
The idea we were being sold
was men and women
819
00:58:16,208 --> 00:58:18,125
need to walk in each other's shoes
820
00:58:18,208 --> 00:58:20,709
to truly respect and love each other.
821
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,875
They're assigning an FBI taskforce.
822
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,625
They want to speak to DOS,
823
00:58:25,709 --> 00:58:28,250
and they want to speak
to witnesses immediately.
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