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she's abusive
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I couldn't
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stand up to that woman
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I could today
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I could now with distance in space and
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Clarity I could now
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put it
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foreign
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I'm such an idiot
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what else what else he is talking about
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that's just all I wanted to talk about
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but now I feel like a [ __ ] because I
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have my
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my first off even if they click and they
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asked you back I don't care I understand
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danger whatsoever yeah
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I can't see can use
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okay yeah
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let me know when you're ready
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were you disciplined by Christina Mike
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tell me about that
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um they think they really like whoop me
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or none like that
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did anyone ever put their hands on you
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um do you know what that means like
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physically did anyone just
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no but I know they did well actually
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initially Natalya
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in her interview with the forensic
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interviewer with the prosecutor's office
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she's made a lot of conflicting
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statements and they are memorialized in
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police reports now they will be like you
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know Alex sometimes um parents they
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whoop you with the Bell they did with me
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she clearly let the boys
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she left the three boys one yes and
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Jacob you just dropped me
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when you say you just dropped you what
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does that mean like you would have it
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but we just dropped you you know
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somebody might pick you up
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so when the three boys were whooping you
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who is in the room
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Christine she was sitting right over
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there first she woke me then she had the
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boys and then Michael will dream
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and then my collection
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so so this is actually uh this ties into
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one of the things that I uh
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whether or not to talk it here
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I think I decided I will anyways
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one of Natalya's
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problematic behaviors was that she would
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frequently
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when soil
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urinating places where she shouldn't
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is for example on blankets or
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Furniture such as a couch
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because it was happening frequently
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whatever my mother was trying to do to
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address the situation wasn't working
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so uh
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with was for
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for urinate in Natalia's bed
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I had pink blankets
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the Vivid part is just like basically
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the action
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I remember feeling anger while I was
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doing
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like experiencing a thought like oh this
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this will show her
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show her
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do we need more on this topic or are we
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good
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she didn't give me instructions man
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you shouldn't like
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oh let's let's aim that way
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how are you
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feeling bad
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action of
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urinating in Italian's bed
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and uh
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to this day I feel horrible that I
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actually did that
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swallow stick that keeps me up at night
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like I kind of feel like a Nazi
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following words in a way
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so there's definitely
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I don't think Natalia was treated fairly
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in the unlikely scenario that
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listens to this and it doesn't just like
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turn it off I hope she
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her stand as an Unapologetic
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I've had
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to grow up
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it's further
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I haven't really had a chance to speak
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about publicly
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yeah I'm good
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yeah I don't think I have anything else
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to add
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Jacob has relayed to me
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that Christine made
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and specifically we're not going to talk
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about anybody else
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while I was at work
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Christine made Jacob pee all over
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Natalia's things
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Jacob's words to me
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his mom explained it to him as it is
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therapeutic it is something that a
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therapist told her to be done Christine
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told Jake that it's okay
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and my wife made my
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own year old son
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he all over to tell you things
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does he gets you back
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give me a second
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have you heard stutter out there
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I hear you can tell you something like
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that
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12 years later
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I heard about this for the first time
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this week
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you don't know how to react
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I don't know I don't know what Jacob
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means from me in that moment I tried to
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put my arm on him as he was telling me
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and he smacked me away
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Christine controlled her children and
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used them to control Natalya it was all
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about control
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control manipulation
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not just supposed to like oh parents
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protect their children
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Christine put Jacob on the front lines
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and it makes you wonder what did she
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Force Natalya to do
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he was abused by that woman I was abused
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by that woman Jacob was abused by that
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woman my other two sons without woman
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today
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that woman is a controlling wife
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my lady woman we were all abused
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Christine's a monster
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the one time she yelled at me because
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she was standing on a St on a chair to
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change a light bulb that I wanted to get
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off the chair
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because she was pregnant and due the
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next day and she's up on
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yelling because Michael had to change
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the light bulb and I pristine you need
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to come down
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she told everybody I hit her
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and then she told me I had to leave
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their house
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I wasn't welcome there anymore
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the really hard part is
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what this has done to my son
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he's been raked over the coals he's been
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treated like crap
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when he's a piece of person and I know
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every mother's gonna say that
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but I think that a piece of him has been
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carved out and thrown away
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so
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there's the easy definition of sexual
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abuse which is obvious
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visual
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and you can see it and you can know it
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and then there's what I went through
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that she sexually abused me by
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physically violating my body
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she did not
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did she sexually abuse Me by using it as
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a tool
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yes she did
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[Applause]
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so Christine's sexual things to
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manipulate me was basically holding it
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from me
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keeping it from me she knew I was
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attracted to her there were many years
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that the
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he had limited it to happen with single
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digits
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never came on to me
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she never told me I was attractive she's
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the attractive one I'm the ugly one so
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invariably
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I get a wee bit addicted to pornography
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pornography is not going to tell me I'm
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ugly
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it's not going to reject me
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so
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Christine would use the pornography
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stuff against me it made it worse
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October 2013.
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I leave Canada
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you were not yet been divorce at this
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time
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Christine decides to start using sex as
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a weapon to make me come back and get
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so she would start sending naughty
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pictures to me
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teasing me tempting me if you just come
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back you'll get this
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foreign
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was leveraging her body her sex to get
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what she wanted in the divorce
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you could have this
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but give me what I want which is custody
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of the boys
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and he agrees
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Christine is the walking epitome of evil
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at first for a very long time I thought
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brainwashing was only on me I didn't see
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it happening to anybody else
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until I saw how my sons have been
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manipulated after divorce she told my
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kids over and over and over and over and
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over your father's going to kill you I'm
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going to protect you
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and for a young developing mind
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how often do you need your mom to repeat
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to you
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your dad's gonna kill you
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until you start buying it my middle son
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and my youngest son I've not seen him in
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over eight years
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and
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they want nothing to do with seeing me
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evil she's earned it
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she's earned every single letter of it
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given the bitter divorce between Michael
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and Christine they really hate each
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other and there's a war between them and
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the criminal cases against Michael and
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Christine are coming up the prosecution
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had to file charges separately against
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Michael and Christine I suspect because
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Michael told detective Davenport about a
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lot of alleged criminal conduct by
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and Michael's trial is first so is he
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trying to put all the blame on Christine
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to escape any accountability
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or is he motivated by Revenge
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for the first year after the divorce we
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were using the one communal phone
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the one communal phone
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point in time had been set up to
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automatically back
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up pictures and videos
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so every time she takes a picture of my
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sons
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automatically backing up
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to my Dropbox account
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every day
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hoping to see my kids hoping to see
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Smiles hoping to see a video hoping they
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hear their voices
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and nearly immediately after I'm seeing
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pictures
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of her in various states of undress
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that I know are being sent
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to other people
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who worked in those pictures
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anyone you didn't touch me you didn't
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send any
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out
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Chris it's my Dropbox
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Spotify
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is
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I do not know people
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I don't know why Spotify
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spotify's like Pandora it's a music
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player
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Christine was not tech savvy
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she didn't understand computers she
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didn't understand technology
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she would take pictures of herself in
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in leaf and
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and this whole time Michael is living
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with me and my family and
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these are just appearing
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on his computer and
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to watch him go through the devastation
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is it
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like his life was being ripped apart
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from the inside and not only his life
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but
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his heart
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there's been a lot of pain in their
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15-year broken marriage
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she has Twisted convoluted lied publicly
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privately repeatedly over and over and
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over again so she can maintain power
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money control over everything and
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everyone
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Natalia's manipulated brainwashed
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engineered into looking as crazy as
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possible
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summer 2012 Marion County court has
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ruled that Natalya is and has been an
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adult a month or two before that moment
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Christine has taught and rehearsed a
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greeting with Natalya hi I I I have to
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do it in in the voice and everything so
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you need to give me a little sip of
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water
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because I can see her do it because I
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can see her with her hands her her
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fingers don't bend due to one of her
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display just and it's just the way it is
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hi my name's Natalia I might look young
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but I'm actually 23 years old and I'm
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dangerous I have tried to kill people
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before
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yeah
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you what this happened
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this guy sound terrible
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I don't think I ever witnessed her say
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that greeting to a stranger publicly
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allowed
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I don't think I was ever present when
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Natalya on her own met a stranger it was
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something Christine had taught Natalia
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for when we weren't around and Christine
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couldn't warn the people herself that
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that should I have been more of a man
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should I have
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stood up and and taken control and put
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my foot down yeah
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take that back that's not being a man
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should I have been a different person
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capable of doing such a thing
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no
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she's abusive
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I couldn't
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stand up to that woman
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I could today
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I could now with distances facing
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Clarity I could now
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shut up
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when she told me that she had tried to
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kill her mom I was like why was that and
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it felt like either she was coached to
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say that and those
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didn't happen and somebody was just
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saying like this is what this is what
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happened and kind of made her believe
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that or she was just so far just
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connected emotionally from what was
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happening
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abuse in general is all about power
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steam was the one in power
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Christine's the one
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in powwow today
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if it's true that Christine was
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manipulating Natalya to say things that
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were false that it's really disturbing
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and it begs the question of whether or
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not this is evidence of Stockholm
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Syndrome or is it evidence that Natalya
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was a child following the orders of her
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mother now that may explain some of
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Natalya's inconsistencies for example
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Natalya admitted trying to poison
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Christine to
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she just said I tried to poison them so
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I had to live in the garage for a while
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and then she denied it did you try to
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put a foreign substance into her coffee
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no that's what she told me to tell her
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it sure sounds like these statements
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were things that Natalya didn't
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necessarily want to say that sounds like
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compulsion like she was being forced to
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say certain things
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everything in this case boils down to
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Natalya's age
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is she a child or is she an adult
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could she really have been born in 2003
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how old is Natalia Barnett really it's
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clear that the prosecution believes
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Natalya was a child when she was left
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alone to fend for herself in this
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apartment in Lafayette Indiana
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getting her re-aged to an adult could
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have been away from Michael and
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Christine to protect themselves from
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child neglect charges there are two sets
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or theories of charges one is based on
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Natalya being a child
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the other set of charges is based on
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Natalia being a dependent with a
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disability
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this is where Natalia's age becomes
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extremely important
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the prosecution can prove that Natalya
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was a child
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reaging it should be an open and shut
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case with any jury
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oh my God
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that's for sure
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never see my kids again
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my house
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instead of done what she did I mean she
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did it
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he said that Christina was a master
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manipulator
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what if I told you Natalia has never had
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a period
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I'd be stuns
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what if I told you that Natalya really
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did started developing rest a year ago
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both
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um
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field with all the research that I've
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done you've been told a certain story a
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lot of people been told to search where
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the truth is that if I am really
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occasion they are all I think in your
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heart you know that it was wrong
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in regards to Natalia being re-aged
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there could be a motive Factor here and
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the motor Factor could be that whatever
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abuse might have taken place the age
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makes a big difference in how that's
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looked at legally
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hey doctor uh my name is Brandon
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Davenport I'm detective with the Indiana
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State Police and I was trying to get a
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hold of you about Natalia
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nobody even
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senior year or something like that
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I have to admit that
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I don't believe that
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you're told what she was made with maybe
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two years old or else I wouldn't be
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looking
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well I would have thought it would be a
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difficult process to be honest with you
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the truth is this actually happened
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without even a hearing
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which is kind of crazy to me
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but they definitely use you as a person
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to get that done it definitely looked
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like they were trying to say that
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they're aging her up because the uh
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I remember her telling me that she was
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over 18 . Christine was made
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let's make them what she was Christine
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has a tendency it seems like or the
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family at least has its tendency to
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falsify a lot of different things to get
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their way
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now we have to ask ourselves why did
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they do this you know I have my
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suspicions
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you've known that in Indiana you are
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responsible for a child especially if
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you adopt them until 21 years old
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so being 22 years old that made them not
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responsible financially for this child
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anymore
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so what if Christine comes back and says
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you know what we wouldn't have aged her
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up if Dr
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Michael said she was she was older than
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what she was
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do you think that causes a unique
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problem for you then
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is that the issue here it could become a
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problem my guess is that they're going
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to say that they are not going to be
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taking any responsibility for for
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getting aged up and they only did it
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because you said that she was 22 years
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old
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if they don't want to take
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responsibility for what they did they're
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going to pass it off to somebody else
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[Music]
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so what's Curious is that this emergency
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petition to re-age Natalya is based in
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large part on Dr McLaren The Family
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Doctor a general practitioner a Dr
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McLaren's
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opinion is apparently what ruled the day
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for the judge and it was enough this
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becomes a central issue for the
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prosecution
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would you agree that the fact that you
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personally believe that Natalia is a
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child that that biases your
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investigation
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okay so do you believe in Italian back
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in 2000
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facts suggests that she was a child at
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the time exactly the facts are there's a
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court order saying that she's not gonna
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fight over this he has said that it's
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his opinion the facts show she's a child
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is that what you said that it's your
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opinion that the fact shows she's a
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child
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sir yes sir
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Natalya's age her birth year was so
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important that prosecutors and detective
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Davenport went to Ukraine
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they went there to to track down this
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woman and a God who is allegedly
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Natalya's biological mother and get a
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DNA sample from her
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straight
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sparkled and I think your goal is we
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want the best for the little girl
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so we're going to take this test
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to fly
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a lot of people
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[Laughter]
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the reason is that yes we are the DNA
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test results came back
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is indeed Natalya's biological mother
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this is a huge deal
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and may put this whole age issue to rest
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this changes everything
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[Music]
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then you go ahead and say your name as
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well for the record please
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Natalia Barnett and
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biologically 32 or 33 sorry
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I'm 33.
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legally
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biologically 19.
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[Music]
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Ukraine's President says 30 of the
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country's power stations have been
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destroyed in just over a week prompting
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residents to restrict their use of
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electricity and water being part of
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moscow's campaign to drive the nation
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into the cold and dark
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[Music]
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attached
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[Music]
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ramayana
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you
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um
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the translator
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foreign
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foreign
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um
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don't even know but we'll start to bear
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with a group of uh
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[Music]
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literature
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[Music]
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[Music]
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system
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[Music]
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s
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[Music]
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conditioner
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status
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[Music]
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[Music]
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thank you
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[Music]
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in 1979 which means she would have been
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10 years old
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if Natalya was born in 1989 as the
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courts ruled when they re-aged her so
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there aren't a lot of good reasons
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besides seeing pubic hair on her to
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believe she was born anytime before
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2003.
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also we know that Michael's attorneys
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have the DNA results of an Agave because
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they got it in Discovery in preparation
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for the trial so they know an Agave is a
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match for Natalya so so regarding the
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the woman in the Ukraine
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supposedly is is her mommy that stuff I
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don't know the truth of anything and
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that is a sentence to God's honest truth
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I don't know and this is where if my if
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my attorney were hanging out with me he
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would jump in and say some attorney
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things and he would say something about
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due process and inspecting the evidence
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and researching the validity of such
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things
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I've never been to New York I didn't
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conduct any East I've done none of these
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things
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somebody that I was 2004 during any kind
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of screening no as as the as this
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information been Val idated in the court
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of Latin been made official that yes
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this is all legit
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I have the subtest
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submitted by a prosecutor who has a
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a reason to want to win their case
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[Music]
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the Tippecanoe County Superior Court
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Judge sided with the defense's argument
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that Natalya's age cannot be part of
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this case a judge ruled years ago that
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Natalya was an adult when this series of
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events took place for that reason no one
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can portray her as a child a big setback
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for the prosecution
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foreign
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's biological mother
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the Court ruling that that guy's age was
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not going to be relitigated at this
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criminal trial is a huge blow to the
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execution
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all of the Witnesses were prepared to
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testify about Natalya's age and now
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they're being muzzled and silenced
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thank you
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I am attorney Martin Nicholson
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or Christine Barnett Jackie Starbuck
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Deputy prosecuting attorney Tony Terrace
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kind of hard representing on Michael
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Barnett now you
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you are correct
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I treated her
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2010 I believe you know that
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Natalya is not a child
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when I saw her her growth plates were
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open so she was not an adult when I saw
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her she had been legally declared an
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adult
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not at the times of treatment just so
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we're clear by time of treatment she was
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not legally an adult she came in and I
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was told that she was six it's not me
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that's saying a doctor with all due
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respect is the record in that book it
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will serve them be famous please let me
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finish
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it is the court order they gave her a
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date of birth and the point I'm trying
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to get I promise to you is
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that when you testify
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and the prosecutor should tell you
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there's not going to be any testimony of
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you
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trying to tell the jury that the woman I
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thought she was a child what I'm telling
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you is
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x-rays don't lie
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your growth plates are not open sir
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what does Mark do you understand that we
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can't talk about that at trial right
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so I'm to refer to her as an adult
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person
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so we're not really interested in truth
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what we're interested in is what was
696
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legally put out there I don't appreciate
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you saying that we're not interested in
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the truth
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in the truth
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birthday doctor is September 4th 1989.
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we are at the attorney's office and it
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is game time
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we're here for court prep uh we have my
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three attorneys waiting on the fourth
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floor uh for us to go in and figure out
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exactly what the game plan is
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thank you I wish I could tell you what
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comes after trial
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I have zero idea or control of what my
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life will hold what my future will be
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like
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[Music]
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I'm gonna go upstairs you're gonna see
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I've got three full-time attorneys
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working on this case and only this case
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24 7.
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got Riley Riley's a new attorney on the
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case
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the new kid
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a sharp he's skilled he's bringing in
723
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something a little extra that we hadn't
724
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seen before
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just got
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hence his call to help the jury
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understand and see plainly and clearly
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the lies may I get to the leader got my
730
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attorney and savior tennis Canard on my
731
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side let's do this Terence and I really
732
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got close he truly feels like family he
733
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feels like a friend 100 behind you I
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absolutely believe you're innocent I
735
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don't tell you this because you already
736
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know the stakes are high he can't break
737
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this neither can I these men have
738
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dedicated their lives to saving me
739
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[Music]
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I'm up against the impossible but I can
741
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do it
742
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the state of Indiana versus Michael
743
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Barnett
744
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this trial is about you we're not
745
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defending Christine Barnett so no part
746
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of our case will we attempt to uh pave
747
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the road for her
748
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not use the name Christine in trial
749
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well we know their overall message is
750
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going to be abandoned
751
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production
752
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in this case you know it's kind of crazy
753
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because everybody's expecting this to be
754
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,160
about this crazy adoption but it's not
755
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,339
in this case is around
756
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education of neglect if the jury looks
757
00:39:06,539 --> 00:39:08,929
at an Italian her physical stature
758
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they'll know she's an adult
759
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,520
as an adult they say they say but how
760
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can parents leave someone so tiny by
761
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themselves
762
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and if the jury believes that one thing
763
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they can find that you abandon a person
764
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that that's in need they can convict
765
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here's the dealer
766
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can't use the word adult
767
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I don't know why I can't use the word
768
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Channel but we don't want to use the
769
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word child
770
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:35,020
Italian
771
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,210
29 year old daughter Dad look at these
772
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:45,100
fake graduates man they impressed me yes
773
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,270
we're gonna say did you abandon your 22
774
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,050
year old daughter right that's that's
775
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,419
going to be the phrase she's not a child
776
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she's an adult without using the phrase
777
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in terms of like an ideal jury I know
778
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it's hard to predict what I'm looking
779
00:39:59,099 --> 00:40:00,779
for people that like me
780
00:40:02,579 --> 00:40:03,619
oh that's hard
781
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:06,589
uh ideal jury I would want
782
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,169
educated middle class jurors
783
00:40:12,539 --> 00:40:14,739
so you're going to have a very
784
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,780
conservative mix and you want to be
785
00:40:17,338 --> 00:40:19,788
relatable person there yes sir your
786
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:22,149
facial expression and demeanor
787
00:40:22,858 --> 00:40:23,258
smile
788
00:40:25,619 --> 00:40:28,229
a little less there you go ahead and
789
00:40:27,900 --> 00:40:30,530
don't over express yourself because it
790
00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:33,270
can come off as weird or creepy or
791
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:35,200
detached so as I'm sitting there facial
792
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,600
expression wise so obviously not a super
793
00:40:36,420 --> 00:40:37,810
happy smile on that
794
00:40:38,219 --> 00:40:39,139
can be chord
795
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:41,289
um it's also not
796
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,380
mad I'm not upset it's just the truth of
797
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,060
the matter I'm an innocent person being
798
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,449
reviewed and judged so yeah and
799
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Ellen in the room
800
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whether or not Michael's taking the
801
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stand
802
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all that's going to depend on what we
803
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,800
need to get out that's not there
804
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this is
805
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[Music]
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[Music]
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articles
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[Music]
809
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honestly
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[Music]
811
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lawyers
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[Music]
813
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[Music]
814
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thank you
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