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*dreamy music
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-[man] Are you hungry, Al?
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-Well, yeah!
I could-- I could use a...
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ham sandwich, mmmm.
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-[snorts]
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[groans]
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-Where's that chicken?
What is going on?
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-[Will VO] Characters
have a simplicity to them and a
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complexity to them.
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-[grunts]
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[screams]
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[chicken screams]
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[knocking on door]
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-[woman] Who's here?
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-[woman] Here
comes the director!
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-[man] I can't hear anything!
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-[woman] Quiet on the set!
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-Hey, have you guys
finished that shot yet?
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-[Will VO] Interesting
characters often have a simple
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goal and a simple purpose,
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but it's in
great conflict with
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either the world around
him, with other people.
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One could say that the story
makes the character or the
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character makes the story.
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*driving ambient music
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-[woman] Please,
raise your right hand.
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Do you solemnly swear that
this testimony taken will be the
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truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth
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so help you God?
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-I do.
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-[man] Good morning, Mr. Vinton.
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-Good morning.
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-[man] Are you aware that
you have sued Mr. Knight for
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$3,000,000?
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-Yes.
There were extraordinarily
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strange happenings
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and amazing
manipulation
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led by -- without
question -- led by Phil Knight,
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who had other
motives for the company.
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-That reflects a
dispute, wouldn't you agree?
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***
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-Yeah.
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-It still remains to me stunning
really that the founder of the
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company could basically ignore
the interests of shareholders
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other than Will Vinton or
myself -- the employees,
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the creditors -- ignore all
their interests and put this
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company on the
threshold of bankruptcy
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for no logical reason.
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-[Vinton] No,
that's not correct.
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It's definitely,
absolutely the other way around.
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*"I Heard It Through the
Grapevine" by Isaac Brock*
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***
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*ethereal music
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[tv clicks on]
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-Were you one of those kids that
always played with the home 8mm
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movie camera and was
making projects all the time?
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-Projects, yeah, a lot
of projects when I was a kid.
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***
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Grew up in
McMinnville, Oregon...
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classic Small Town, U.S.A.
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***
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I never really had much
interest in film production
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until I actually went to
college and became very,
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very interested in it.
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My sister, who was in Berkeley,
strongly encouraged me to be a
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part of this scene that
was Berkeley in the '60s.
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There was just so much going on.
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*psychedelic rock
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The whole Claymation
thing really evolved
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out of studying architecture.
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I was very fascinated with
Antoni Gaudà who had done
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extraordinarily organic
shapes in architecture,
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things that had to be sculpted.
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And that got me messing
with plasticine clay,
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and the filmmaking and the
clay got together and-- for some
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early experiments.
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My father used to shoot
16mm film as home movie.
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I asked him if I
could use his camera,
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so I got this great little
filmmaker kit and kind of
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instantly became a filmmaker.
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My father was really
hoping I would be,
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you know, a corporate
executive or something,
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but he also really encouraged me
to explore and try things and,
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you know, give it a go.
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And if you believe in
something strong enough,
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you'll find a way
to make it happen.
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So first thing I started doing
is shooting a lot of stuff on
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the Berkeley campus.
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This is the '60s; things
were getting pretty wacky.
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*rock music
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I was really fascinated
by what cameras could do,
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and, in particular, stop motion.
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You know, setting a camera on a
tripod and shooting one frame at
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a time, making things move.
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And animating human bodies.
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You know, sort of looked
at this stuff and I said,
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"Whoa, that's pretty cool!"
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I learned really
quickly how you cut,
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how you focus an
audience's attention,
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the language of film
and the power of film.
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I wasn't a storyteller, but I
saw the power of storytelling.
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[clap]
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There was a very active
film community in Berkeley --
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filmmakers, people
that did various kinds
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of experimental films.
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*funky ambient music
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I organized evenings where I'd
stick an animation camera on the
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table, give everybody
a beer in one hand,
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blob of clay in the other,
you know, getting a little
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inebriated...
taking a puff, as well.
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And, of course, most
of this stuff became
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a little pornographic.
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[glug and swallow]
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[vomit]
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That was the beginning
of claymation for me.
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It was a real
epiphany to see these very,
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very crude things
happening on this tabletop,
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to see these characters evolve
in this incredibly simple and
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non-planned sort of way.
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[man laughs]
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[birds chirp]
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What I was most amazed
about was how this completely
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inanimate wad of clay could
move and be imbued with life.
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*upbeat piano music
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It's the fascination
one has with magic.
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*dreamy music
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When I first saw this stuff, it
really made an impression on me.
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And I felt -- even then -- that
if I could marry the magic that
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I saw with really
solid film skills,
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I could be really powerful.
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-[man VO]
Kneel down in the dust!
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Toiling over a lump of
clay 'til he shaped it!
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-[Will VO] In order to do
the kind of experimenting that I
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wanted to do, taking
it to the next level,
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I really kind of
needed a little studio.
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And actually managed to buy
a small house in Portland,
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and it ended up being my
future animation studio.
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Well, for several years while
making live-action and a few cel
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animated films, I was working on
a technique of clay animation.
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It was a technique that Bob
Gardiner-- a sculptor -- and I
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worked on during college.
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*mellow ambient music
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Bob was crazy,
wonderful artist
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-- really out
there -- and just
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a kind of a wild energy
that was intoxicating,
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and classic artist
with a capital A.
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I happened to know that he
would be -- and was -- not
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doing anything.
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"Say, why don't you come on
up, and let's make a film?"
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So Bob came up and lived at my
place and ended up living there
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for like a year
and a half, [laughs]
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much to my
wife's chagrin.
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Because Bob's lifestyle is
loose with various psychedelics,
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which I was dabbling
in at the time too,
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but not as intensely.
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[laughs]
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But I always liked working
with really good artists.
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Bob was absolutely
one of those people,
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in the sense that he was
intensely on another plane.
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-[Bill VO] Bob
was a really charming guy.
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He was a mad genius.
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Together they were
the perfect team.
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You had the wild, crazy artist
with the organized producer.
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***
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-[Will VO] We spent a
lot of time in that basement
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experimenting with clay...
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metamorphosis,
lip-sync, cutting techniques.
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Clay animation had
been around forever.
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People ask if we invented it.
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No, but what we did was brought
it to the forefront by doing a
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lot of experimenting.
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*contemplative music
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I decided to do a little short
short film that really showed
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off some of these techniques.
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[projector whirs]
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[door creaks]
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[man grunting]
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We had trouble keeping the
characters very stable and
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steady, and so we tended to make
the characters all be winos so
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they could stumble around.
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[man cackles]
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-Thank you for turning me on.
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I am a replica of the model
5-0-5 Type C electro-brain
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correct, error key
muta-- muta-- mutation,
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mutations,
metamorphological mutations,
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mutations of reversal,
comparing mutations,
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mutations, metamorphology,
push and program,
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push and as the-- as
the-- as the world turns...
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-[Will VO] We were real
excited about getting it done in
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time for this local film
festival here in Portland,
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and it was rejected.
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We were just devastated.
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It was a sad time,
but never stops me.
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So I made as many prints as I
could afford and started sending
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it around to film festivals.
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And suddenly we started
getting amazing response.
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Top prize at major,
big-time festivals,
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and it got nominated
for an Academy Award.
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-The winner is 'Closed Mondays,'
Will Vinton and Bob Gardiner.
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[applause]
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*upbeat orchestral music
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-I'd like to thank
family and friends,
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and uh, Will.
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Thank you very much.
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-Thanks members of the
Academy for an incredible honor.
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And hello and thank you to all
our friends back home in Oregon.
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[applause]
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-[Will VO] After the
win, we were partying at the
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Governor's Ball.
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Bob's mother came up to him
with quite a serious face,
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and she said this
was too much too soon,
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and this is the kiss of death.
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It made me really concerned
about what ultimately happens
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with Bob.
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Winning an Oscar was huge.
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Seemed to me kind
of an opportunity
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to explore things further.
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I was just itching
to do more projects.
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But for Bob, winning the Academy
Award was such a heady thing.
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[pop, horn blows]
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He was off doing all
sorts of crazy things.
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Bob would walk around town
with his Oscar in his pocket and
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stick it up on a bar and
see who'd buy him drinks.
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That was the way he saw what he
was gonna do with this Oscar.
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It got to be so hard that
I couldn't count on him.
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It was just such a
clash of working styles.
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We felt it was good to do our
own things and then help each
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other out.
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-[Bill VO] Bob set up
his own little studio and he got
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a commission from
Rolling Stone to do a TV show.
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*rock music
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I got to visit his studio
and see what he was doing,
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and I was really impressed.
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So he did get work
after he left Vinton,
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but he wasn't a good businessman
and he couldn't follow through
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on it.
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I think he was bipolar, so
unfortunately he descended into
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this drunken stupor, and he
would rail at Vinton and claim
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that he was really the artistic
genius behind 'Closed Mondays,'
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that he developed the Claymation
technique and that Vinton never
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gave him credit.
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Will and him separated, but Will
filled the vacuum left by Bob
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with really great animators.
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-[Will VO] Everything
I did after that was Will
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Vinton Productions.
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-[man] Will Vinton
interview, take one.
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[clap]
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Second camera.
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[clap]
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And the third camera.
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[clap]
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*groovy ambient music
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-That was the
beginning of this wonderful,
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delightful
collaborative kind of phase
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where the goal was to try
to find some way we could
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push the Claymation
into some new areas.
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-[Bill VO] He had
this little studio that was
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behind a barbershop.
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Walk past the barbershop and up
these steps and into this secret
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domain, and suddenly
there's an animation studio.
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And so it was like going
into a James Bond movie.
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[high-pitched swirling noises]
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It was like magic.
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You would not believe
what it felt like to walk
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through that place.
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[bike bell rings]
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-[Melissa VO] The
studio was like the mother-ship.
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I remember clearly
one day thinking,
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"We're all gonna end up being
old together and having an old
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persons' home-- retirement home.
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We're all gonna
be living together."
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Because it all felt very close.
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***
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-When you walk
away, you track it out.
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-[Chuck VO] It
was very hippie-like.
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-Can you smell that?
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-[Chuck VO] A sort of commune.
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-Huh?
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You got some of it, don't you?
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-[Chuck VO] I
have my actual contract.
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It doesn't even have
my real name on it.
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It was for fun.
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There was nothing
legal about it.
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It was just like, "Hey
you wanna work here?
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Okay, well what's your name?
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I'll just make one up."
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The word
"corporate" didn't exist.
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It just didn't
feel like a business.
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It felt like art
school plus vacation.
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***
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-[Will VO] We weren't a
very sophisticated business.
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We were a collective of
artists focused on doing
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good creative work.
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-[Michele VO] The energy was
so melodic and forward-moving.
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I felt like I was working
with a master who was creating
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something really wonderful
that was gonna endure for a
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very long time.
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-On those cues, we're
gonna turn on the lights.
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*delicate ambient music
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-Maybe have some
[clapping] ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.
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*jaunty driving music
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[hammering]
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-[man VO] Will Vinton's
characters seem almost human,
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partly because they are.
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-[woman VO] In fact, the
entire production is shot and
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soundtracks recorded with live
actors before animating begins.
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-You keep looking out
the window because--
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-I thought that
I-- that you were--
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[laughter]
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-[Will VO] That whole
first decade was all about
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trying to see what we could
do, see how far we could go.
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*psychedelic rock music
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What's gonna be
different about it?
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What are we gonna learn from
this one that we didn't learn
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from previous ones, and what
can we take forward into the
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next project?
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*epic rock music
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I hardly even remember
thinking about making money.
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The thinking was always about
what we could do to make the
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projects as cool as
they could possibly be.
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[water bubbles]
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We did so many things as
creatively as we did by virtue
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of the fact that we
were doing them very,
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very inexpensively.
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[dinosaur growl]
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[slurps]
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Lower the budget is, we could
get creative control and do
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wonderful things.
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-Then they go to the bar and
drink on furlough and they fight
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the air force,
they fight the navy--
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[shouting and commotion]
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Of course,
there's no coast guard.
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Oh, and then, of course, you
know, back home there was the
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Andrews sisters singing
"Bugle Boy" of Company C.
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*female chorus singing
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-[Will VO] We knew we
were pioneering something.
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We were doing something that had
never really been done before,
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during which we picked up four
more Academy Award nominations.
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Nobody ever told
me I couldn't do it.
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All I've seen in my experience
-- in my life -- has been that
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if you put your mind to it,
and believe that you can do it
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-- and want to do
it -- you'll do it.
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*uplifting orchestral music
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-[man] Let her go!
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-[girl] You can make it, fly!
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***
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[bells chime]
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-[Will VO] We
all charged ahead,
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expanding it and trying to grow
it and move it in whatever ways
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we possibly could.
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[rattles]
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[glistens]
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[slides click]
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-Will loved the fact that he
didn't have to be in Los Angeles
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to do this kind of
work and to get noticed.
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-[man VO] Has there ever been a
temptation for you to move from
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Portland to Hollywood where
all the big film business is?
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-Well, in all honesty there's
some small amount of temptation.
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-[Craig VO]
Here you are in Portland,
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which is hardly a film center.
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Lifestyle mattered
more than money, and
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what people did on the
weekends mattered more than
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their jobs.
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-What I can surmise from
what you're positing is like,
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Portland's almost an
alternative universe.
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It's almost like
cars don't exist, right?
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-Yes!
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-You can ride bikes,
or double decker bikes.
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They ride unicycles,
they ride the tram,
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they ride skateboards.
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-Exactly!
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-'Portlandia' is almost like
a documentary as far as I'm
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concerned in terms of
showing how eccentric and unique
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Portland is, and how much
everything's kind of a one-off.
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Will's Claymation
studio's like that too.
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Nobody else is doing
anything like this.
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He wanted to do his own
thing, he created it,
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and he gave us all these jobs.
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The best stop-motion animators
from around the world all
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gravitated to the
famous Will Vinton Studio.
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-[Will VO] I'm really
committed to working here,
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and there's really no reason
that you have to produce a film
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in Hollywood.
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*mellow ambient music*
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-Will the entrepreneur -- Will
the guy who started something
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from nothing and did it just
because he wanted to -- if
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you're gonna be an entrepreneur,
you're gonna start a company,
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you're gonna be the man.
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-The first time I
really met Will,
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the two words that came
to mind were "white heat,"
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a burning ambition
to make a brand,
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to make a name.
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He just wanted to conquer.
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-[Jeffrey VO] A good
decade before Will got started,
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there was another eclectic
long-shot small business here
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in Oregon.
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It was a guy selling
shoes, and it was Phil Knight,
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and that company became Nike.
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-Oh sweat!
Oh sweat!
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Oh sweat, it's Nike!
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You gotta hook me up!
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*hip hop beat
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-[Jeffrey VO] It
absolutely came to dominate.
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***
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It became this
world-eating company.
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And there's an interesting
parallel between Phil and Will;
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they pioneered an
industry and they stuck with it,
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and against all odds they
built something pretty special.
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And then they sort of came
together and disasters result.
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-[woman] Mr. Knight,
please raise your right hand.
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Do you solemnly swear that this
testimony will be the truth,
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the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth,
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so help you God?
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-I do.
-[woman] Thank you.
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-Mr. Knight, would you explain
what first interested you in
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investing in Will
Vinton Studios?
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-Wil Vinton had approached me
in the spring of '98 about the
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possibility of investing
in Will Vinton Studios,
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and I was intrigued.
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-And what intrigued you?
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-Well, first of all, profitable.
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They had been in
existence a long time,
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they had won an
Academy Award, and
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they'd had considerable artistic
success in the creative field,
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and I was interested in that.
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-Was there any intent to do
future Will Vinton Studios
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animation outside of Portland?
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-What do future plans outside
of Portland have to do with any
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subject matter of this lawsuit?
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-Well I have a theory, but
I don't need to go into it.
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*tense ambient music
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-Um, how would
you characterize
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your level of frustration
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over Will Vinton?
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***
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-High.
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*news program jingle
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-[man VO] Portlanders Will
Vinton and Susan Shadburne have
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made animated films Walt
Disney would've envied.
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-Your working relationship,
you're married but you also
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work together.
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I would think that it would
be hard to separate the two.
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-[Vinton] It is.
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-And we really live
two separate lives.
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When we were working really
intensely on something -- I
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should point out the 'Rip Van
Winkle' script got started on
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our honeymoon--
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[laughter]
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He kept telling me that
was a deadline [laughing]
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and things like that. [laughs]
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*mellow ambient music
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-Will's extraordinarily focused
-- one of the most focused
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people I've ever met --
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but if his focus shifts,
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he really is able to kind of cut
the traces of what came before,
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totally cut them.
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***
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-[Will VO] When things
get kind of easy or a little
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rote, I find myself going
kind of somewhere else.
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-[Susan VO] I mean,
all the times I knew him,
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I don't remember us ever having
to wrestle with his conscience.
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It is, "This is
what's being done.
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This is what I'm doing."
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I didn't ever see
him waver on that.
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***
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The ending of it came as a
complete surprise to me.
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He had a wife prior to me.
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He left her in
exactly the same way.
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12 years...
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no discussions about it,
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no looking back.
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He was a mystery to himself.
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-[Michele VO]
He's a very complex man.
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The place he felt most free to
express himself was in his work.
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***
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-[Mary VO] Will on one
hand showed himself to
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the world through his art.
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He had all of these characters
who, of course, were expressing
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facets of himself.
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And yet he was also
a very private man.
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There's a lot of people, maybe
most of the people who know Will
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who might say, "I never
really quite knew him.
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I could never
quite figure him out."
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He had trouble
expressing emotions
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when it wasn't with clay.
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***
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-I see Will as a character,
a character with a dream,
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with a character flaw, and
with a kind of a sadness.
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-[Will VO] Characters
have an infinite range of
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emotions and expressions, but
there aren't an infinite number
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that they use.
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A character usually
stays in character.
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*chimes ascend
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-[woman] All together now!
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-Ho ho ho, hee
hee hee, ha ha ha!
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-[Will VO] The pressure on
this first creative phase is
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that we wanted to keep
the bar extremely high,
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and we wanted to
do feature films.
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-As things began to get bigger
and bigger and pretty soon he's
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having what he wants -- which
he always told me was to be the
503
00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:25,985
second Walt Disney -- and
it looked as if maybe that
504
00:26:26,018 --> 00:26:27,453
were happening.
505
00:26:27,486 --> 00:26:32,491
*uplifting ambient music
506
00:26:32,925 --> 00:26:34,994
-[Jerry VO] There were
definitely parallels between the
507
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,364
young Will Vinton Studios
and Walt Disney Studios.
508
00:26:38,665 --> 00:26:42,268
Each success followed by a
way to follow up on that in a
509
00:26:42,301 --> 00:26:45,504
commercial way, and
then if you can do that,
510
00:26:45,537 --> 00:26:48,474
you can experiment and
make 'Fantasia' or build
511
00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:49,776
a Disneyland.
512
00:26:49,809 --> 00:26:53,479
Will had it.
He was actually doing it.
513
00:26:53,512 --> 00:26:54,480
He won his Oscar.
514
00:26:54,513 --> 00:26:55,882
He was making shorts.
515
00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:58,284
He was making a feature,
which was 'The Adventures of
516
00:26:58,317 --> 00:27:00,219
Mark Twain.'
517
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:04,390
-A man with a
new idea is a fool...
518
00:27:04,423 --> 00:27:07,393
until the idea succeeds.
519
00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:10,062
-[Will VO] 'The Adventures of
Mark Twain' was the zenith of
520
00:27:10,096 --> 00:27:12,699
Claymation because
the whole kitchen sink
521
00:27:12,699 --> 00:27:15,267
was thrown in there.
522
00:27:15,301 --> 00:27:18,570
A lot of the techniques that you
saw in some of the short films
523
00:27:18,604 --> 00:27:20,572
that came before it.
524
00:27:20,606 --> 00:27:23,442
-[Craig VO] Clay
painting from 'The Creation...'
525
00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:28,414
metamorphosis from
'The Great Cognito...'
526
00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:33,953
special effects that we used in
things like 'The Little Prince.'
527
00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:36,055
There's nothing like it.
528
00:27:36,088 --> 00:27:38,590
There's nothing
even remotely like it.
529
00:27:38,825 --> 00:27:42,061
Will wanted this to feel like
you were in his clay world.
530
00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:45,965
Furniture was made out of
clay, the walls were clay,
531
00:27:45,998 --> 00:27:48,735
the pictures on
the wall were clay.
532
00:27:48,735 --> 00:27:51,403
-It is a landmark achievement
in the motion picture field,
533
00:27:51,437 --> 00:27:54,506
and that is because it is the
first clay-animated feature
534
00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:57,143
movie ever made.
535
00:27:57,744 --> 00:27:59,611
-[Melissa VO] A lot
was riding on 'The Adventures
536
00:27:59,645 --> 00:28:02,014
of Mark Twain.'
537
00:28:02,048 --> 00:28:06,352
It was in production over five
years with a small crew toiling
538
00:28:06,385 --> 00:28:09,889
over this very tedious
process of making this movie.
539
00:28:10,222 --> 00:28:12,224
-The basic
philosophy has not changed.
540
00:28:12,258 --> 00:28:14,426
Vinton and his staff hope
to continue to be a form of
541
00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:16,996
entertainment
primarily for adults.
542
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:19,832
You'll never see Will Vinton's
name on the kind of things that
543
00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:23,335
you're seeing now on
Saturday morning TV.
544
00:28:25,571 --> 00:28:28,007
-[Melissa VO] Will felt
that this is a sophisticated
545
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,677
film that should
appeal to adults.
546
00:28:31,778 --> 00:28:35,614
And it just didn't get
marketed in that way.
547
00:28:35,681 --> 00:28:37,683
-The interesting
thing is the movie,
548
00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:40,920
it's kind of a dark story, and
there were warning labels on
549
00:28:40,953 --> 00:28:43,689
those cassettes that say, "This
may not be suitable for your
550
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:46,558
child," which was the kiss
of death if you're trying to
551
00:28:46,592 --> 00:28:48,194
release a children's movie.
552
00:28:48,227 --> 00:28:51,397
*melancholy ambient music
553
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:54,967
-[Melissa VO] 'Mark Twain' had
a really disappointing premiere.
554
00:28:56,869 --> 00:28:58,871
People would
take their children,
555
00:28:58,905 --> 00:29:01,941
or they didn't always
get the next level of
556
00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:05,812
humor or sophistication.
557
00:29:05,812 --> 00:29:08,380
-[voice on speaker] Welcome
to the mysterious stranger.
558
00:29:08,447 --> 00:29:11,683
[children whispering]
559
00:29:11,717 --> 00:29:13,152
-Hello.
560
00:29:13,185 --> 00:29:14,653
-Who are you?
561
00:29:14,686 --> 00:29:15,888
-Satan.
562
00:29:15,955 --> 00:29:18,124
-Uh oh.
563
00:29:18,157 --> 00:29:19,826
-[Will VO] Well, there's
no question I was hoping
564
00:29:19,826 --> 00:29:22,862
'Mark Twain' would be
the beginning of doing more
565
00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:24,831
feature projects.
566
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:27,699
***
567
00:29:27,733 --> 00:29:31,737
I think above all I was
disappointed with what happens
568
00:29:31,838 --> 00:29:36,008
in the world of distribution.
569
00:29:36,042 --> 00:29:39,846
-That was a real sad thing that
nobody seemed to know what to do
570
00:29:39,846 --> 00:29:42,915
with this magical stuff.
571
00:29:42,982 --> 00:29:47,019
He had a capacity to put things
in a place where they wouldn't
572
00:29:47,053 --> 00:29:51,991
interfere or slow him down, but
in his private place with just
573
00:29:52,024 --> 00:29:55,895
himself, he and him,
it hurt him very much.
574
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,669
-I did a bit of soul searching
and thought about how the
575
00:30:03,702 --> 00:30:08,574
creative process works, and I've
come up with what I think is my
576
00:30:08,607 --> 00:30:11,377
most creative project to date,
which I would like to introduce
577
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:14,213
to you at this time.
578
00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:17,283
[applause]
579
00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,618
This is Billy.
580
00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:21,520
Say hello!
[chuckles]
581
00:30:21,553 --> 00:30:24,123
Let's look at the creative
process and how it works.
582
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:26,926
[audience laughter]
583
00:30:26,959 --> 00:30:28,861
It all starts with an idea.
584
00:30:28,895 --> 00:30:31,630
Perhaps nothing more
than a twinkle in your eye.
585
00:30:31,697 --> 00:30:34,200
And in time, with a
little give and take,
586
00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:38,237
assuming the idea
finds fertile ground,
587
00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:41,807
it may soon be fully conceived.
588
00:30:41,874 --> 00:30:43,409
But you still don't
know what you've got.
589
00:30:43,442 --> 00:30:45,377
[audience laughter]
590
00:30:45,411 --> 00:30:47,446
As the concept goes
into a gestation period,
591
00:30:47,479 --> 00:30:49,481
it grows and it modifies.
592
00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:52,384
Finally, the project is
fully realized with a tremendous
593
00:30:52,418 --> 00:30:53,819
amount of effort.
594
00:30:53,886 --> 00:30:54,954
And is released-- [Billy coos]
595
00:30:54,987 --> 00:30:56,488
Yeah.
[audience laughter]
596
00:30:56,555 --> 00:30:58,790
And is
released for all to see.
597
00:30:58,824 --> 00:31:00,792
To the creators it's
hard to be objective,
598
00:31:00,826 --> 00:31:04,196
and it often looks pretty
bad when it first comes out.
599
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:07,666
But at that point, one can't
help but sort of feel like
600
00:31:07,699 --> 00:31:11,938
you're-- question what it is
you've really done as a creator,
601
00:31:11,938 --> 00:31:16,175
and before long a strong sense
of pride generally results to
602
00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:19,245
the point where you may
even consider doing it again.
603
00:31:19,311 --> 00:31:22,581
[laughter]
604
00:31:22,648 --> 00:31:23,950
We have Mummy.
605
00:31:23,950 --> 00:31:26,418
-[laughs]
606
00:31:26,485 --> 00:31:29,221
-[Will] And Billy.
607
00:31:29,588 --> 00:31:31,190
-Let me stand up and
show how pregnant.
608
00:31:31,223 --> 00:31:32,258
-[Will] Very pregnant.
609
00:31:32,324 --> 00:31:34,360
There it is.
610
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:35,561
That's Jesse.
611
00:31:35,594 --> 00:31:37,029
-Yeah, this is Jesse.
612
00:31:37,063 --> 00:31:40,232
Oh my God, there they go!
613
00:31:40,266 --> 00:31:41,433
-[Jesse VO] He was
always interested in looking
614
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:44,003
for projects that
we could do with him.
615
00:31:44,036 --> 00:31:45,871
Even though he wasn't the kind
of person that would really say
616
00:31:45,972 --> 00:31:48,707
a lot of "I love yous"
617
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,410
or really kind of
show affection...
618
00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,545
[drumming]
619
00:31:53,579 --> 00:31:56,082
You know, he had his own way
of constantly showing us that he
620
00:31:56,115 --> 00:31:57,549
loved us.
621
00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:00,386
*mellow ambient music
622
00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:02,821
The best times that we
had with one another,
623
00:32:02,854 --> 00:32:05,992
we were actively trying
to accomplish a goal,
624
00:32:05,992 --> 00:32:08,995
making something,
creating something.
625
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:12,531
Going to cut down
a Christmas tree,
626
00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:15,334
we would literally hack
down like a 20-foot tree,
627
00:32:15,367 --> 00:32:18,137
and we'd bring it home.
628
00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:22,308
Billy and I were six and eight
years old and we were like up on
629
00:32:22,341 --> 00:32:25,544
the balcony with like a
rope-pulley system that my dad
630
00:32:25,611 --> 00:32:28,014
had like showed us how to
like rig on the top of the tree,
631
00:32:28,014 --> 00:32:30,882
and he's down below trying
to like push the tree up.
632
00:32:32,018 --> 00:32:33,285
-[woman] There's Will.
633
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,554
-[man] There's Will.
634
00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:37,023
-[woman] The man
with the camera,
635
00:32:37,023 --> 00:32:40,359
and now we're moving in on him,
because-- Billy don't pull on
636
00:32:40,392 --> 00:32:42,394
the camera!
637
00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:44,330
-[woman] Get a close-up of him
so that we know that Daddy was
638
00:32:44,363 --> 00:32:45,864
here too.
639
00:32:45,897 --> 00:32:47,199
-[Jesse VO] Things
were really taking off for the
640
00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:50,169
studio, and it
was growing rapidly.
641
00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:53,239
He spent an enormous
amount of time at the studio,
642
00:32:53,305 --> 00:32:56,675
and maybe prioritized
that over family a little bit.
643
00:32:56,708 --> 00:32:59,045
I think that's
what he had to do.
644
00:32:59,045 --> 00:33:02,414
***
645
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:05,151
-Oh, look at the...
646
00:33:05,217 --> 00:33:06,618
-[Melissa VO]
After 'Mark Twain' had a really
647
00:33:06,652 --> 00:33:09,221
disappointing premiere,
we were all depressed.
648
00:33:09,255 --> 00:33:10,922
Will came back,
and was like, "Well,
649
00:33:10,956 --> 00:33:14,593
let's get to
work," like undaunted.
650
00:33:15,294 --> 00:33:16,562
[claps]
651
00:33:16,595 --> 00:33:20,166
-"Okay, let's get rolling," and
he would say that without fail.
652
00:33:20,232 --> 00:33:22,301
And so that's just the kind
of guy he was -- it was like,
653
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:25,571
[clap] "Okay,
let's get rolling."
654
00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:28,640
-[Hal VO] I've never seen
him exhibit frustration or anger
655
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:31,577
or being down.
656
00:33:31,610 --> 00:33:36,248
So it is hard to sort of see him
as a fully rounded human being,
657
00:33:36,282 --> 00:33:39,151
because he's always
got that outward-facing,
658
00:33:39,185 --> 00:33:41,320
optimistic demeanor.
659
00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:44,090
You wonder, "What
are the secret doubts?"
660
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:48,660
*anxious ambient music
661
00:33:48,694 --> 00:33:51,997
-[Will VO] My parents
were always just so supportive
662
00:33:52,098 --> 00:33:55,167
of trying things,
of experimenting.
663
00:33:55,201 --> 00:33:58,137
What they would say,
"Yeah okay, what's next?"
664
00:33:58,837 --> 00:34:01,273
And I'm like that
myself, like, "That was cool.
665
00:34:01,307 --> 00:34:03,542
That was really fun.
Okay, let's see what's next."
666
00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:06,545
[laughs]
Kind of look around.
667
00:34:06,578 --> 00:34:10,216
The California Raisin Advisory
Board came to us with the idea
668
00:34:10,249 --> 00:34:14,186
of personifying
raisins that moved to
669
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:16,688
"I Heard It
Through the Grapevine."
670
00:34:16,722 --> 00:34:21,127
*Ooh, I heard it
through the grapevine*
671
00:34:21,127 --> 00:34:25,631
*Raised in the
California sunshine*
672
00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:28,700
-I was the director on the
first California Raisins spot,
673
00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:32,138
and I thought, "Man,
what a dorky commercial.
674
00:34:32,138 --> 00:34:34,140
Nobody's ever gonna
see this commercial.
675
00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:36,442
I'm wasting my time."
676
00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:39,711
-[Will VO] A tiny, tiny
little advertising campaign
677
00:34:39,745 --> 00:34:41,980
just took off.
678
00:34:42,047 --> 00:34:45,451
It went viral in an era
where "viral" didn't exist yet.
679
00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:49,155
-It seems almost everyone is
wild about these raisins and
680
00:34:49,155 --> 00:34:51,157
their hip sales pitch.
681
00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:54,160
-[Will VO] The fact that
it's taken the nation by storm
682
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,162
is kind of quite a surprise.
683
00:34:56,228 --> 00:34:58,597
-[man VO] Raisins are more
popular with youngsters than old
684
00:34:58,630 --> 00:35:00,466
favorites like Charlie Brown.
685
00:35:00,499 --> 00:35:03,001
A true advertising phenomenon.
686
00:35:03,034 --> 00:35:05,637
*groovy music
687
00:35:05,671 --> 00:35:07,506
-[man VO] America
has gone raisin crazy.
688
00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:09,641
We have raisin
t-shirts, raisin sweatshirts,
689
00:35:09,675 --> 00:35:13,179
raisin coffee mugs.
690
00:35:13,179 --> 00:35:16,182
-[Will VO] Claymation
was on people's tongues
691
00:35:16,182 --> 00:35:19,251
in a way that it
never had been before.
692
00:35:19,518 --> 00:35:21,520
I can't tell you how
many times people said,
693
00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:24,690
"Wow, what's it like to
be an overnight success?"
694
00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:25,524
-[woman VO] Well,
we've all heard of
695
00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:27,493
the overnight sensation--
696
00:35:27,526 --> 00:35:29,828
-And I'm going, "Yeah,
after 15 years of doing this."
697
00:35:29,861 --> 00:35:30,862
You know?
698
00:35:30,896 --> 00:35:33,031
-Will Vinton is an
Academy Award winner,
699
00:35:33,064 --> 00:35:35,601
but hardly anybody knew
his name until he made a
700
00:35:35,667 --> 00:35:37,569
television commercial.
701
00:35:37,603 --> 00:35:40,372
-[Will VO] To me,
commercials were little films,
702
00:35:40,406 --> 00:35:45,411
using characters to
really connect with audiences.
703
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:48,447
-We have a hit now, and it's
opening up all these new doors
704
00:35:48,514 --> 00:35:51,783
for us, and we're a busy studio.
705
00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:53,552
[squeaky laughter]
706
00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:56,422
-[man VO] Meet the Noid...
707
00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:59,891
the star of Domino's
Pizza commercials.
708
00:35:59,925 --> 00:36:03,995
-The Noid happened the same time
the California Raisins happened
709
00:36:04,029 --> 00:36:05,631
and just blew up.
710
00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,333
They were huge.
711
00:36:07,366 --> 00:36:10,336
But we won an award for
being the stupidest ad campaign.
712
00:36:10,369 --> 00:36:12,037
I don't get it.
He hates pizza?
713
00:36:12,103 --> 00:36:14,873
He loves pizza?
He wrecks pizza?
714
00:36:14,940 --> 00:36:16,642
So why should I get Domino's?
715
00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:18,377
[zapping]
716
00:36:18,444 --> 00:36:22,113
[grunting]
717
00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:23,715
-[man] Does it sell pizzas?
-Oh, absolutely.
718
00:36:23,782 --> 00:36:24,950
Like crazy.
719
00:36:24,983 --> 00:36:27,353
-[Melissa VO] People
became aware of this process of
720
00:36:27,386 --> 00:36:30,021
Claymation, and they
wanted to be part of it.
721
00:36:30,055 --> 00:36:33,525
-[man VO] Nike
makes aerobic shoes...
722
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,461
tennis shoes...
723
00:36:35,494 --> 00:36:37,796
-[Will VO] There
was a lot of capital.
724
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:39,865
One of the accountants said,
"What are you guys doing over
725
00:36:39,898 --> 00:36:42,501
there?
You printing money?"
726
00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:47,506
He was so surprised at
the level of profitability.
727
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:51,510
My father finally [laughing]
stopped wondering when I was
728
00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:53,712
gonna get a real job. [laughs]
729
00:36:53,745 --> 00:36:56,282
And he said that to me.
730
00:36:56,315 --> 00:36:59,651
-I'd like to thank
our family and friends...
731
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:01,853
and Will.
732
00:37:01,887 --> 00:37:05,724
-Bob Gardiner saw that Will
moving forward with their idea
733
00:37:05,757 --> 00:37:08,794
and creating a company
that didn't include him,
734
00:37:08,827 --> 00:37:13,064
he felt that he had been
slighted or robbed of something.
735
00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:15,501
-[Susan VO] Everybody
knew Bob was kind of crazy.
736
00:37:15,567 --> 00:37:19,671
Crazy Bob, funny crazy Bob, who
wasn't so funny after a while.
737
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:21,907
-[David VO] His activity
would flare up whenever the
738
00:37:21,940 --> 00:37:24,075
studio was
getting a lot of press.
739
00:37:24,109 --> 00:37:26,011
It seemed to agitate him.
740
00:37:26,077 --> 00:37:27,746
-"Claymation" -- you
coined the phrase?
741
00:37:27,779 --> 00:37:29,748
-Yeah, right.
-[Barbara] It's just clay--
742
00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:32,117
-It comes from "clay animation."
743
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:33,419
-[David VO] You'd
come to work in the morning,
744
00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:37,489
and there'd be graffiti on the
wall outside that was clearly a
745
00:37:37,523 --> 00:37:39,458
message from Bob.
746
00:37:39,491 --> 00:37:41,527
-[Susan VO]
He wrote "Swill Vinton,
747
00:37:41,593 --> 00:37:44,996
Mediocre Crap" like in
five-foot high letters.
748
00:37:46,865 --> 00:37:48,434
-[David VO] He would
call Vinton up in the middle of
749
00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:52,338
the night, yell at
him, and threaten him.
750
00:37:53,705 --> 00:37:56,342
-Hello?
751
00:37:56,475 --> 00:37:58,143
-[Melissa VO]
There would be death threats--
752
00:37:58,176 --> 00:37:59,645
-Yes, uh huh.
753
00:37:59,678 --> 00:38:03,582
-[Melissal VO] And the studio
had to take those seriously.
754
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:04,850
Will carried a gun.
755
00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:07,719
-Okay, yeah.
756
00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:12,791
-My name is Nicolle
Gardiner-Sampson,
757
00:38:12,858 --> 00:38:16,528
and Bob Gardiner was my father.
758
00:38:16,562 --> 00:38:19,731
I probably won't ever
meet anybody like my dad.
759
00:38:21,467 --> 00:38:24,536
If you approached him, he would
often have a story to tell,
760
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:27,038
or he'd play the piano for you.
761
00:38:27,072 --> 00:38:30,376
He would draw with you
and doodle with you.
762
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,811
Nothing was ever typical.
763
00:38:32,878 --> 00:38:34,780
It was magical.
764
00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:38,550
I knew that Bob and
Will had a falling out since
765
00:38:38,584 --> 00:38:40,419
I was a little girl.
766
00:38:40,452 --> 00:38:44,155
I think it was always a
ghost that haunted him,
767
00:38:44,222 --> 00:38:47,393
and he struggled letting go.
768
00:38:47,393 --> 00:38:52,063
*moody music
769
00:38:52,097 --> 00:38:56,502
-By the way, is Mr. Gardiner
the one who is the true creator
770
00:38:56,568 --> 00:38:59,070
of Claymation?
771
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:02,408
-Um, why would you ask that?
772
00:39:02,474 --> 00:39:04,710
-I don't want to
hear, "Why would I?"
773
00:39:04,743 --> 00:39:08,914
because your complaint alleges
that you are widely recognized
774
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:12,684
as a creative genius and
the developer of Claymation.
775
00:39:12,684 --> 00:39:14,720
Answer the question.
776
00:39:14,753 --> 00:39:16,888
-Mr. Gardiner, absolutely not.
777
00:39:16,922 --> 00:39:19,491
-[man] Did you develop it
jointly with Mr. Gardiner?
778
00:39:19,525 --> 00:39:20,992
-Absolutely not.
779
00:39:21,026 --> 00:39:25,564
Claymation was developed,
five or-- several years after I
780
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:30,602
worked with Bob
Gardiner-- coined.
781
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:32,571
-See, that wasn't hard.
782
00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:35,741
***
783
00:39:39,611 --> 00:39:42,848
-[David VO] Bob was
an incredibly creative artist,
784
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:46,251
somewhat mad,
somewhat delusional.
785
00:39:46,284 --> 00:39:49,555
He was good with inspired ideas,
but he couldn't execute on them.
786
00:39:50,355 --> 00:39:52,724
So you gotta give Will credit
that probably 'Closed Mondays'
787
00:39:52,758 --> 00:39:54,059
got executed at all.
788
00:39:54,092 --> 00:39:56,194
If it was up to Bob, that
film probably would never
789
00:39:56,227 --> 00:39:57,963
have been made.
790
00:39:58,029 --> 00:40:00,298
As much art as he put into it,
he needed someone to guide him
791
00:40:00,365 --> 00:40:05,103
through actually
finishing something.
792
00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:08,907
-Will produced it -- that's what
he did -- and a lot of the stuff
793
00:40:08,940 --> 00:40:10,809
you see there is Bob.
794
00:40:10,876 --> 00:40:12,310
The stuff that
people go, "Ooo-ooo!"
795
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:14,145
-- that's Bob.
796
00:40:14,212 --> 00:40:16,782
*jaunty music
797
00:40:16,815 --> 00:40:20,719
-What was that guy thinking of?
798
00:40:20,752 --> 00:40:23,288
Puh.
799
00:40:24,723 --> 00:40:27,225
-With most things in life,
there was a grain of truth to
800
00:40:27,258 --> 00:40:29,160
some of it.
801
00:40:29,227 --> 00:40:31,563
Was this just a really angry
guy who was making up all these
802
00:40:31,597 --> 00:40:34,733
ideas about what had
happened in that relationship,
803
00:40:34,766 --> 00:40:38,604
or was he really an aggrieved
creative who felt he didn't get
804
00:40:38,637 --> 00:40:42,440
his due?
805
00:40:47,946 --> 00:40:49,581
*news jingle
806
00:40:49,615 --> 00:40:50,982
-Portland's own
California Raisins are
807
00:40:51,016 --> 00:40:52,484
back in the news again.
808
00:40:52,518 --> 00:40:55,120
They have a new home video out,
and to give you an idea of how
809
00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:57,322
good it's selling, it reached
platinum even before it hit
810
00:40:57,355 --> 00:40:58,757
the stores.
811
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:01,960
-One of the first productions we
did as an entertainment project
812
00:41:01,993 --> 00:41:05,864
was a CBS primetime special
called 'Meet the Raisins!' and
813
00:41:05,897 --> 00:41:10,235
it was done rockumentary
parody of 'Meet the Beatles.'
814
00:41:11,236 --> 00:41:16,007
-The California Raisins, these
four working class musicians
815
00:41:16,041 --> 00:41:19,945
have risen from garden
variety band to pop phenomenon.
816
00:41:20,546 --> 00:41:24,049
But what are the
roots of such genius?
817
00:41:24,082 --> 00:41:26,685
From whence doth it spring?
818
00:41:26,718 --> 00:41:29,955
-[Will VO] First time I'd gotten
into primetime television.
819
00:41:30,288 --> 00:41:32,791
-It's a movie camera!
820
00:41:32,858 --> 00:41:35,026
So do something.
821
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:36,094
[clonk]
822
00:41:36,127 --> 00:41:37,763
[growls]
823
00:41:37,796 --> 00:41:39,765
-[man VO] We bear fortunate
witness to the youngsters'
824
00:41:39,798 --> 00:41:43,902
discovery of tonal
resonance and harmony.
825
00:41:43,935 --> 00:41:48,106
-So far we had had anonymous
raisins in all of these spots,
826
00:41:48,139 --> 00:41:50,576
and we wanted to kind of
create distinctive characters
827
00:41:50,576 --> 00:41:54,079
for entertainment purposes, so
we created the California Raisin
828
00:41:54,112 --> 00:41:55,213
Band with--
829
00:41:55,246 --> 00:41:57,616
-[man VO] A.C.,
Beebop, Stretch, and Red.
830
00:41:57,649 --> 00:42:00,051
-That four, you know?
831
00:42:00,085 --> 00:42:04,189
-*Like a fool I went
and stayed too long*
832
00:42:04,222 --> 00:42:06,892
*Now I'm wonderin' if
your love's still strong*
833
00:42:06,958 --> 00:42:09,961
-*Ooh, baby, here I am
834
00:42:09,995 --> 00:42:13,231
*Signed, sealed,
delivered, I'm yours*
835
00:42:13,298 --> 00:42:15,300
[cheering]
836
00:42:15,333 --> 00:42:17,703
-[Will VO] The
show won a Primetime Emmy,
837
00:42:17,736 --> 00:42:20,405
and that was a really, really
successful project in terms of
838
00:42:20,471 --> 00:42:23,174
popularity, and in terms of
moving the Raisins to a new
839
00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:26,845
level, which was just
pure music entertainment.
840
00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:28,479
[gunfire]
841
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:30,215
-Upcoming projects
include a number of television
842
00:42:30,248 --> 00:42:34,152
commercials, a music video --
that for reasons of secrecy we
843
00:42:34,185 --> 00:42:37,723
can only say is
for a major pop star.
844
00:42:37,756 --> 00:42:39,190
[beep]
845
00:42:39,224 --> 00:42:40,425
-[Michael Jackson on answering
machine] Will, I really need you
846
00:42:40,491 --> 00:42:42,761
to call me.
This is very important.
847
00:42:42,828 --> 00:42:44,429
Thank you, bye.
848
00:42:44,495 --> 00:42:45,631
[beep]
849
00:42:45,664 --> 00:42:47,065
This is Michael calling again.
850
00:42:47,098 --> 00:42:49,034
Please don't think
I'm being a nuisance.
851
00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:51,737
Let's do something
here, be pioneers.
852
00:42:51,770 --> 00:42:54,005
So thank you, bye.
853
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:54,740
[hangs up]
854
00:42:54,773 --> 00:42:56,007
[beep]
855
00:42:56,041 --> 00:42:57,743
-[Scott on answering machine]
Will, this is Scott Norton from
856
00:42:57,776 --> 00:43:00,111
work, and um,
Michael Jackson just called.
857
00:43:00,178 --> 00:43:01,446
[beep]
858
00:43:01,512 --> 00:43:02,748
-[Michael on answering machine]
Will, it's Michael calling.
859
00:43:02,781 --> 00:43:05,283
Are you there?
860
00:43:06,451 --> 00:43:08,453
Will?
861
00:43:08,987 --> 00:43:10,188
[hangs up]
862
00:43:10,255 --> 00:43:11,657
-[Webster VO]
Michael was a big fan.
863
00:43:11,657 --> 00:43:14,926
He saw Will as a Disney
figure, and he was a big fan
864
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,361
of the work.
865
00:43:16,427 --> 00:43:17,996
-[Will VO] He got around
to saying how much he loved the
866
00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:20,932
California Raisin commercials,
so I realized where he was
867
00:43:20,966 --> 00:43:25,003
going, and I said, "Michael,
you should be a Raisin."
868
00:43:25,036 --> 00:43:29,174
-The rap raisins
materializing behind me.
869
00:43:29,675 --> 00:43:33,679
I wanted to define the character
and find his expression,
870
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:38,049
which is 99 percent of it.
871
00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,153
The one guy has the glasses,
and he has the type of attitude
872
00:43:42,187 --> 00:43:46,892
that-- he's so cool that
I'm fortunate that he's here.
873
00:43:47,893 --> 00:43:50,696
And he's much too
cool for, like, one of these.
874
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:55,834
It's like, "What
you lookin' at?"
875
00:43:55,867 --> 00:43:58,036
The other raisin
would be this style,
876
00:43:58,069 --> 00:44:02,207
no glasses, so his eyes--
it's mostly the expression.
877
00:44:11,049 --> 00:44:15,286
*"I Heard It Through the
Grapevine" by Michael Jackson*
878
00:44:24,162 --> 00:44:26,832
*I heard it
through the grapevine*
879
00:44:27,332 --> 00:44:30,969
*Raised in the
Califonia sunshine*
880
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:35,073
*Heard it
through the grapevine, baby*
881
00:44:35,106 --> 00:44:36,775
[fireworks explode]
882
00:44:36,808 --> 00:44:38,777
-[woman VO] There's no way
these princes of produce are
883
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:40,011
going to rot.
884
00:44:40,078 --> 00:44:42,981
They are one of the hottest
headliner acts in the country.
885
00:44:43,014 --> 00:44:45,083
You may be wondering
who has the rights to
886
00:44:45,116 --> 00:44:47,252
all that Raisin paraphernalia.
887
00:44:47,285 --> 00:44:50,021
Well, it's the California
Raisins Advisory Board,
888
00:44:50,088 --> 00:44:52,323
not Will Vinton.
889
00:44:52,357 --> 00:44:54,926
-This is the famous
blunder that he regretted,
890
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,596
where he didn't get a
portion of the licensing,
891
00:44:58,629 --> 00:45:01,967
which nobody thought
was gonna be a big deal, really.
892
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,168
-Oh, my God.
893
00:45:03,201 --> 00:45:04,402
Oh, my God.
894
00:45:04,469 --> 00:45:08,940
We're talking about $400,000,000
in products that we could've had
895
00:45:09,007 --> 00:45:10,776
a piece of.
896
00:45:10,776 --> 00:45:14,579
-Oooh, this is a
harbinger of things to come.
897
00:45:14,612 --> 00:45:16,347
I can feel it.
898
00:45:16,381 --> 00:45:21,219
*wistful music
899
00:45:26,792 --> 00:45:30,028
-It was really hard after a
while to pull people's teeth
900
00:45:30,061 --> 00:45:33,865
[laughs] and to work on the
next Raisin show because we had
901
00:45:33,899 --> 00:45:37,435
already done that, and our
culture was built around,
902
00:45:37,468 --> 00:45:38,804
you know, "Do
something different."
903
00:45:38,804 --> 00:45:40,806
You know, "What else can we do?"
904
00:45:40,806 --> 00:45:42,640
***
905
00:45:42,707 --> 00:45:45,243
-The studio was trying very
hard to create some intellectual
906
00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:48,146
property of its own, and they
wanted to try and create their
907
00:45:48,213 --> 00:45:50,982
own characters that they would
own all the merchandising on,
908
00:45:51,049 --> 00:45:53,251
their own Mickey Mouse.
909
00:45:53,284 --> 00:45:55,420
-[Will VO] We
have a character I'm very,
910
00:45:55,453 --> 00:45:56,988
very fond of.
911
00:45:57,055 --> 00:46:00,992
He's just been signed to a very,
very big role in a major feature
912
00:46:01,059 --> 00:46:04,830
that we're developing right now,
and he and we are very excited
913
00:46:04,863 --> 00:46:05,831
about that.
914
00:46:05,864 --> 00:46:08,066
-I'm invincible!
915
00:46:08,133 --> 00:46:13,138
I feel like I could
climb every mountain!
916
00:46:15,673 --> 00:46:17,242
-[Chuck VO] The dream
behind Wilshire Pig was to be
917
00:46:17,308 --> 00:46:19,878
Will's Mickey Mouse.
918
00:46:19,911 --> 00:46:24,349
Instead of Mickey Mouse
ears we had rubber pig noses.
919
00:46:24,382 --> 00:46:26,017
-[Melissa VO] Will
would used to say that Wilshire
920
00:46:26,051 --> 00:46:28,519
Pig was his alter ego.
921
00:46:28,553 --> 00:46:32,090
-You get offered five million
bucks to do a commercial,
922
00:46:32,157 --> 00:46:33,724
and you turned it down?
923
00:46:33,758 --> 00:46:36,327
-There's the tycoon
element to that character.
924
00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:39,530
He sort of like the
greedy capitalist.
925
00:46:39,564 --> 00:46:42,100
That might be the way that he
thought of himself as Wilshire
926
00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:45,904
Pig, probably as not as the good
parts of himself but rather the
927
00:46:45,937 --> 00:46:49,440
kind of dirty things he had to
do to find success at the level
928
00:46:49,507 --> 00:46:50,741
that he found it.
929
00:46:50,775 --> 00:46:52,677
[explosion]
930
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:56,114
-He was building this idea of,
"If I create these characters--
931
00:46:56,181 --> 00:46:58,583
[rumbling]
932
00:46:58,616 --> 00:47:00,185
[shouts]
933
00:47:00,218 --> 00:47:02,520
--then after that I can make
a bunch of films with those
934
00:47:02,553 --> 00:47:05,991
characters, and from that I
can make an amusement park."
935
00:47:06,024 --> 00:47:09,160
-The point of amusement
rides is not amusement.
936
00:47:09,194 --> 00:47:11,997
The point of amusement
rides is making money!
937
00:47:12,030 --> 00:47:14,966
[gears crank]
938
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,035
[coins jingle]
939
00:47:17,102 --> 00:47:19,037
Perfect!
940
00:47:19,104 --> 00:47:20,671
[explosion]
941
00:47:20,705 --> 00:47:23,274
-[Chuck VO] They were
always trying to get the thing
942
00:47:23,308 --> 00:47:26,444
that would make
the amusement park.
943
00:47:28,379 --> 00:47:31,816
It's like he was
looking down a checklist,
944
00:47:31,917 --> 00:47:35,120
and he was ticking off the
boxes of what he needed to
945
00:47:35,153 --> 00:47:38,023
become Disney.
946
00:47:41,659 --> 00:47:43,694
-[man's voice on TV] Will Vinton
-- the creator of Claymation --
947
00:47:43,728 --> 00:47:46,932
is now creating
Claymation Station,
948
00:47:46,965 --> 00:47:48,934
a year-round entertainment park.
949
00:47:48,967 --> 00:47:51,669
It would be on 15 to 20
acres behind Union Station,
950
00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:55,040
serving as a depot to
transport people to real places,
951
00:47:55,073 --> 00:47:58,643
to other worlds, and to the
far reaches of imagination.
952
00:47:58,843 --> 00:48:01,646
There would be rides and
shops, a 3-D movie theater,
953
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,083
restaurants, a large hotel,
and motion picture studios.
954
00:48:05,984 --> 00:48:08,319
Can Will Vinton
make it a success?
955
00:48:08,386 --> 00:48:10,956
Well, he's already
made raisins dance,
956
00:48:10,989 --> 00:48:13,291
so who's to say his latest
brainstorm is pushing the
957
00:48:13,324 --> 00:48:14,960
imagination too far?
958
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,427
[static]
959
00:48:16,461 --> 00:48:17,996
*moody ambient music
960
00:48:18,063 --> 00:48:19,497
-[Bill VO] Bob Gardiner
would call me in the middle of
961
00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:23,268
the night from some ghost town
where he was doing tours of the
962
00:48:23,301 --> 00:48:26,304
empty mining shafts.
963
00:48:26,337 --> 00:48:30,075
He'd still complain about
Will Vinton and how he got
964
00:48:30,108 --> 00:48:32,243
ripped off.
965
00:48:32,743 --> 00:48:34,579
-[Nicolle VO]
My dad kind of picked up this
966
00:48:34,612 --> 00:48:37,315
day-job lifestyle.
967
00:48:37,348 --> 00:48:41,186
It just kind of seemed
like him letting go.
968
00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:44,990
He let go of his creativity.
969
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:48,126
He talked a lot about
Will, and that was it.
970
00:48:50,528 --> 00:48:53,098
-Good morning everybody,
and welcome to Portland,
971
00:48:53,131 --> 00:48:55,133
Oregon for the Grand
Floral Parade which is
972
00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:56,667
about to get underway.
973
00:48:56,701 --> 00:48:59,637
-[Bill VO] Bob Gardiner
threatened to assassinate Will
974
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:01,772
Vinton at the Rose
Festival Parade.
975
00:49:01,806 --> 00:49:04,375
[gun clicks]
976
00:49:04,409 --> 00:49:07,112
*ominous strings
977
00:49:07,178 --> 00:49:09,680
Gardiner was gonna have a scope
rifle up on the top of the Meier
978
00:49:09,714 --> 00:49:12,517
& Frank Building and off him.
979
00:49:12,550 --> 00:49:14,285
-[man VO] And there he
is, you heard it through the
980
00:49:14,352 --> 00:49:15,686
grapevine, folks.
981
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:19,290
That's Will Vinton, the
Grand Marshal of the parade.
982
00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:24,429
-[Bill VO] Will -- to
be safe -- got the FBI to patrol
983
00:49:24,462 --> 00:49:27,398
all the rooves of the buildings
along the parade route.
984
00:49:27,432 --> 00:49:30,201
***
985
00:49:30,235 --> 00:49:31,936
-[woman VO] You've
certainly seen his work with the
986
00:49:32,037 --> 00:49:34,605
California Raisins.
987
00:49:36,407 --> 00:49:40,078
Looks like he brought a few
of his friends with him today.
988
00:49:42,213 --> 00:49:44,649
-[Bill VO] For
something to do with cartoons,
989
00:49:44,715 --> 00:49:48,786
it just seems
really out of whack.
990
00:49:53,291 --> 00:49:57,062
-[Will VO] Bob and I did a
wonderful thing together.
991
00:49:57,762 --> 00:50:01,466
I wish that we could've both
cherished that into the sunset.
992
00:50:03,434 --> 00:50:06,404
It's hard for me to talk
about it because it was such
993
00:50:06,437 --> 00:50:08,839
a sad thing.
994
00:50:08,906 --> 00:50:11,842
I knew that he
was in a lot of pain.
995
00:50:11,909 --> 00:50:16,914
When I heard that he had,
uh, committed suicide, um...
996
00:50:18,249 --> 00:50:20,185
I was...
997
00:50:20,251 --> 00:50:22,987
I was...shocked.
998
00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:26,591
I guess I-- you
could say, but...
999
00:50:26,624 --> 00:50:30,695
somehow strangely
not completely surprised.
1000
00:50:32,130 --> 00:50:36,534
I wished so much at that time
that I really could've helped to
1001
00:50:36,601 --> 00:50:40,338
celebrate who he
was as a person,
1002
00:50:40,371 --> 00:50:43,174
as an artist...
1003
00:50:43,208 --> 00:50:47,945
and tell him how sorry
I felt about the whole thing.
1004
00:50:47,978 --> 00:50:51,516
***
1005
00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:56,554
-I went to help pack up his
stuff and being in his place --
1006
00:50:57,622 --> 00:51:02,627
boxing everything --
was really haunting,
1007
00:51:04,529 --> 00:51:06,931
looking at all the
stuff that he left out.
1008
00:51:06,964 --> 00:51:10,435
He had Marvin Gaye "Heard It
Through the Grapevine" sitting
1009
00:51:10,468 --> 00:51:14,405
open on his little piano.
1010
00:51:14,439 --> 00:51:17,142
That particular song
1011
00:51:17,142 --> 00:51:21,045
was this, like, goodbye to Will.
1012
00:51:23,714 --> 00:51:27,252
My dad's work will
always keep him alive.
1013
00:51:27,285 --> 00:51:30,455
I can always go back and
look through his writing.
1014
00:51:31,156 --> 00:51:32,390
I can look through his drawings.
1015
00:51:32,423 --> 00:51:35,426
I can watch 'Closed Mondays.'
1016
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,565
The expressions through his
drawings or his animation,
1017
00:51:40,598 --> 00:51:45,303
you get to see him in that,
and so that's where the artist
1018
00:51:45,336 --> 00:51:48,273
is alive.
1019
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,014
[chimes]
1020
00:51:57,081 --> 00:52:00,851
-This is it...where
the rubber meets the road.
1021
00:52:00,918 --> 00:52:02,187
[mechanical whirring]
1022
00:52:02,187 --> 00:52:03,688
[rattling]
1023
00:52:03,721 --> 00:52:04,855
[snorts]
1024
00:52:04,889 --> 00:52:07,858
-[David VO] Wilshire Pig
and the licensable characters
1025
00:52:07,892 --> 00:52:10,495
weren't that
interesting to the animators.
1026
00:52:10,528 --> 00:52:11,429
-What's that?
1027
00:52:11,496 --> 00:52:12,530
[screams]
1028
00:52:12,563 --> 00:52:15,032
[pins clatter]
1029
00:52:15,500 --> 00:52:16,667
-[David VO]
More talking animals;
1030
00:52:16,701 --> 00:52:17,768
Warner Brothers and
Disney already covered
1031
00:52:17,835 --> 00:52:19,069
that pretty thoroughly.
1032
00:52:19,103 --> 00:52:22,373
Is there something
else we could do?
1033
00:52:22,673 --> 00:52:26,377
-[Webster VO] The
ideas just weren't progressing.
1034
00:52:27,212 --> 00:52:29,914
-Test results...inconclusive.
1035
00:52:29,947 --> 00:52:31,716
[snorts]
1036
00:52:31,749 --> 00:52:33,251
Aw, dang!
1037
00:52:33,284 --> 00:52:34,919
Why does it keep
happening to me?
1038
00:52:34,952 --> 00:52:37,588
This should've worked!
1039
00:52:37,622 --> 00:52:39,224
-[Webster VO] People
just stopped giving a shit
1040
00:52:39,257 --> 00:52:40,858
because they were just so
disenchanted with what was
1041
00:52:40,891 --> 00:52:42,927
going on.
1042
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,930
Important people
started to leave the studio.
1043
00:52:46,697 --> 00:52:49,133
-It was reaching that point
where you finally realized how
1044
00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:53,604
much work you were doing, and
you weren't getting credit for
1045
00:52:53,638 --> 00:52:56,541
all the man hours
you were putting in.
1046
00:53:02,247 --> 00:53:05,015
-[Bill VO] He felt
it important --sometimes -- to
1047
00:53:05,049 --> 00:53:08,353
overlook some of the credit that
should perhaps have been given
1048
00:53:08,386 --> 00:53:12,657
to many of the talented
people actually making the work.
1049
00:53:14,124 --> 00:53:16,827
-He would actually say,
"It's Will Vinton Studios.
1050
00:53:16,861 --> 00:53:21,866
We're all successful," but I do
think he also had that personal
1051
00:53:22,733 --> 00:53:25,903
drive that he himself
wanted to be seen as the
1052
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:28,873
driving creative force.
1053
00:53:28,906 --> 00:53:30,308
[electricity sparks]
1054
00:53:30,341 --> 00:53:32,710
-[Bill VO] Certainly
Walt Disney did a great job of
1055
00:53:32,743 --> 00:53:36,547
forging that visionary
personalization of his own name
1056
00:53:36,581 --> 00:53:38,316
as a brand itself.
1057
00:53:38,349 --> 00:53:40,318
[claps]
1058
00:53:40,351 --> 00:53:42,887
-[in Mickey Mouse voice]
Hey Pluto, here she comes!
1059
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,524
-The general perception was Walt
Disney drew every comic book,
1060
00:53:46,557 --> 00:53:49,927
made every short film and
feature film -- in fact the
1061
00:53:49,994 --> 00:53:53,331
studio perpetuated that myth.
1062
00:53:53,364 --> 00:53:56,066
Of course that's why
the signature is the logo.
1063
00:53:56,100 --> 00:54:00,405
He was an artist and
he signed his artwork.
1064
00:54:00,738 --> 00:54:04,141
But when the artist looks
at Walt Disney to emulate,
1065
00:54:04,174 --> 00:54:07,845
that usually doesn't
work out too well.
1066
00:54:07,912 --> 00:54:10,080
-People resented that
he had these big goals,
1067
00:54:10,114 --> 00:54:12,617
and yet at the ground level
where we were working on stuff,
1068
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:15,786
we just didn't
like it that much.
1069
00:54:15,820 --> 00:54:18,088
-Here's some Raisin news
right off the press for you;
1070
00:54:18,122 --> 00:54:20,958
starting this fall the
California Raisins will be added
1071
00:54:20,991 --> 00:54:23,193
to the Saturday
morning cartoon lineup.
1072
00:54:23,328 --> 00:54:25,129
Will Vinton will
produce the show.
1073
00:54:25,162 --> 00:54:28,999
It won't be done in
Claymation, but cel animation.
1074
00:54:29,033 --> 00:54:31,669
-*It's the
California Raisin Show!*
1075
00:54:31,702 --> 00:54:34,872
-That really was
against our grain,
1076
00:54:34,939 --> 00:54:37,842
because it was Saturday morning,
because it really was kind of
1077
00:54:37,875 --> 00:54:39,344
for kids.
1078
00:54:39,344 --> 00:54:42,212
-And so it was
less than a success.
1079
00:54:42,347 --> 00:54:44,549
-Whenever you get
really successful --
1080
00:54:44,615 --> 00:54:46,817
we were kind of the
flavor of the month --
1081
00:54:46,851 --> 00:54:49,219
you go out of fashion.
1082
00:54:49,354 --> 00:54:52,657
*melancholy piano music
1083
00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:56,894
-Guess those wrinkled rockers
were just a flash in the pan.
1084
00:54:56,961 --> 00:54:58,563
-[cartoon VO] Ouch!
1085
00:54:58,629 --> 00:54:59,697
-[Bill Fiesterman
VO] They were saying,
1086
00:54:59,730 --> 00:55:01,165
"There's a lot of
Claymation on TV now,
1087
00:55:01,198 --> 00:55:03,434
and advertising agencies are
looking for something that looks
1088
00:55:03,468 --> 00:55:05,202
a little different."
1089
00:55:05,235 --> 00:55:08,038
***
1090
00:55:13,411 --> 00:55:15,946
-You know, I
think we ought to...
1091
00:55:15,980 --> 00:55:18,649
I don't wanna put
it in the negative.
1092
00:55:18,716 --> 00:55:22,086
***
1093
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:23,721
-[Will VO] People had
always come to us for something
1094
00:55:23,754 --> 00:55:26,657
that was really
unique and creative,
1095
00:55:26,724 --> 00:55:30,961
but people were starting to
say we were all about raisins.
1096
00:55:30,995 --> 00:55:34,565
Suddenly there was this kind of
myopic sense about what we do as
1097
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:38,403
filmmakers, and that was tough
for me -- a double-edged sword,
1098
00:55:38,403 --> 00:55:40,805
as they say.
1099
00:55:42,072 --> 00:55:47,077
-The whole Claymation look
had kind of run its course,
1100
00:55:47,177 --> 00:55:52,182
and it dropped out of style,
and the studios fell on pretty
1101
00:55:52,417 --> 00:55:54,519
hard times.
1102
00:55:54,585 --> 00:55:56,987
-Despite our
limitations as artists,
1103
00:55:57,021 --> 00:56:00,491
and our foibles like not
wanting to lay anybody off,
1104
00:56:00,525 --> 00:56:04,662
period -- which is just totally
a non-concept when it comes to
1105
00:56:04,695 --> 00:56:06,497
proper business -- you
don't have the work,
1106
00:56:06,531 --> 00:56:09,667
get rid of people, you know,
it's the mantra -- it wasn't
1107
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,770
even considered.
1108
00:56:13,037 --> 00:56:16,441
-They were having a really hard
time getting commercial work,
1109
00:56:16,507 --> 00:56:21,245
and there was very little
demand for what they were doing.
1110
00:56:21,278 --> 00:56:26,283
Will saw the logic in expanding
their look and style and tools.
1111
00:56:28,453 --> 00:56:31,689
-[Will VO] When I
first picked up clay...
1112
00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:36,226
while the material was crude,
lumpy, didn't stand up straight,
1113
00:56:36,260 --> 00:56:38,563
rather quickly, I
could really see that the
1114
00:56:38,596 --> 00:56:41,031
possibilities were phenomenal.
1115
00:56:41,065 --> 00:56:42,967
I feel that we're in
exactly the same place
1116
00:56:43,033 --> 00:56:45,470
with computer animation.
1117
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:47,705
-[Chris VO] Computer
animation was brand new.
1118
00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:52,042
There had yet to be a
computer-animated movie and
1119
00:56:52,076 --> 00:56:55,279
computer animation was
just kind of a novelty.
1120
00:56:55,312 --> 00:56:57,815
-We really did
embrace the digital tools,
1121
00:56:57,882 --> 00:56:59,950
thinking this could
really bring some new energy,
1122
00:56:59,984 --> 00:57:02,920
some new life, some new ways
to bring to life characters.
1123
00:57:02,953 --> 00:57:05,690
*funky music
1124
00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:09,359
One of the old-time advertisers
that wanted to move into the
1125
00:57:09,393 --> 00:57:12,329
digital world was M&M's.
1126
00:57:12,362 --> 00:57:15,065
It was a big campaign, and
a lot of production companies
1127
00:57:15,132 --> 00:57:16,667
jumped on it.
1128
00:57:16,701 --> 00:57:19,904
So we actually had to compete,
but then nobody thought of us as
1129
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:23,407
a computer company at all,
as even having the tools.
1130
00:57:23,508 --> 00:57:25,342
And the truth is [whispers] we
didn't really have the tools.
1131
00:57:25,375 --> 00:57:26,877
[laughs]
1132
00:57:26,911 --> 00:57:28,312
***
1133
00:57:28,345 --> 00:57:31,816
Our pitch to them was, "Anybody
can do the 3-D animation.
1134
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:34,519
This is what we'd
like to see you doing.
1135
00:57:34,552 --> 00:57:39,557
Name them -- Red, Yellow, Green,
Blue -- give them character,
1136
00:57:39,857 --> 00:57:43,728
give them attitude,
give them backstories,
1137
00:57:43,761 --> 00:57:46,531
but above all just fill
them full of attitude."
1138
00:57:46,564 --> 00:57:50,100
-*Yes it's true, yeah,
we're totally blue*
1139
00:57:50,167 --> 00:57:51,736
-I wanna be in this commercial.
1140
00:57:51,769 --> 00:57:53,771
-You ain't getting this
job, 'cause you're not blue!
1141
00:57:53,838 --> 00:57:54,939
-Great.
1142
00:57:55,005 --> 00:57:58,275
-[Will VO] It's so cool
to see the exact same characters
1143
00:57:58,342 --> 00:58:03,280
that we pitched have
endured to this day.
1144
00:58:03,347 --> 00:58:05,349
-[David VO]
M&M's are a huge story.
1145
00:58:05,415 --> 00:58:09,086
They came because Will had
successfully sold the image of
1146
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,955
Will Vinton as a creative force.
1147
00:58:10,988 --> 00:58:14,024
It's a really really important
pivot because that was a cash
1148
00:58:14,091 --> 00:58:18,162
cow and a proving ground for
what the studio could be and
1149
00:58:18,195 --> 00:58:21,465
became all throughout the '90s.
1150
00:58:21,566 --> 00:58:24,301
-[Chris VO] Everything
shifted during this time period.
1151
00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:26,604
They were
sticking in photographs.
1152
00:58:26,637 --> 00:58:29,974
They were making characters
out of cardboard flats.
1153
00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:33,477
They were experimenting with
all these different materials to
1154
00:58:33,578 --> 00:58:37,281
make stop-motion puppets
and different graphic looks.
1155
00:58:37,314 --> 00:58:39,584
-Al, I'm wood.
1156
00:58:39,584 --> 00:58:41,686
What have I got to lose?
1157
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:43,621
[mechanical whir]
1158
00:58:43,654 --> 00:58:47,291
[saws buzz]
1159
00:58:47,324 --> 00:58:49,660
Oh, no!
1160
00:58:49,694 --> 00:58:51,829
-[Chris VO] In trying
all these different looks,
1161
00:58:51,862 --> 00:58:55,499
they really revitalized interest
in the studio and was pretty
1162
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,135
successful again.
1163
00:58:58,168 --> 00:59:00,404
We kept getting more
and more accounts,
1164
00:59:00,470 --> 00:59:03,641
and they started
hiring people like crazy.
1165
00:59:03,708 --> 00:59:06,611
Most of the hiring that
they did was for full-time,
1166
00:59:06,611 --> 00:59:10,280
full-benefit staff positions.
1167
00:59:10,314 --> 00:59:13,751
It exploded in size.
1168
00:59:15,085 --> 00:59:17,121
-[Chuck VO] Will was always
supposed to just have a small
1169
00:59:17,154 --> 00:59:19,924
group of artists
that love what they do,
1170
00:59:19,957 --> 00:59:21,892
and he loved what he did.
1171
00:59:21,926 --> 00:59:24,394
I don't think Will
was a businessman.
1172
00:59:24,428 --> 00:59:26,731
He was just more of a creator
and an artist and a guy with
1173
00:59:26,764 --> 00:59:30,635
ideas, and he had fun at it.
1174
00:59:31,301 --> 00:59:32,670
-[Will VO] As
we grew the company,
1175
00:59:32,737 --> 00:59:36,106
it was becoming a little less
creatively satisfying for me.
1176
00:59:36,140 --> 00:59:40,144
I was doing a lot of stuff that
was not the things that excited
1177
00:59:40,177 --> 00:59:44,114
me about being an
artist, about being a creator,
1178
00:59:44,148 --> 00:59:49,019
so I was looking for more
creative things that I could do.
1179
00:59:50,354 --> 00:59:53,123
-We have a special guest
tonight on Oregon Art Beat,
1180
00:59:53,157 --> 00:59:56,293
the man who made
Claymation a household word.
1181
00:59:56,326 --> 00:59:58,095
Casey is with Will Vinton.
1182
00:59:58,128 --> 00:59:59,296
-That's right, I am.
1183
00:59:59,296 --> 01:00:01,098
Thank you very much, Mike,
and thank you for joining us.
1184
01:00:01,131 --> 01:00:02,199
-Oh, a pleasure.
1185
01:00:02,266 --> 01:00:03,768
-[Casey] We've got some
tape that shows a little bit of
1186
01:00:03,801 --> 01:00:04,835
the process.
1187
01:00:04,869 --> 01:00:06,470
Why don't we roll that
tape so we can see it,
1188
01:00:06,503 --> 01:00:08,806
and you can kind of
narrate it as we go along.
1189
01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:10,607
-[Will VO] What you
see here is Thurgood
1190
01:00:10,641 --> 01:00:14,211
who is in 'The PJs' which
is our television show.
1191
01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:16,313
-What happened is, I
described what the guy was like,
1192
01:00:16,346 --> 01:00:19,183
what his personality was
like, and Will Vinton would go,
1193
01:00:19,216 --> 01:00:21,051
and he'd make up sketches.
1194
01:00:21,118 --> 01:00:23,553
Then once I looked at him, then
I'd come up with a voice that
1195
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:26,056
looks like what he
would sound like.
1196
01:00:26,123 --> 01:00:27,391
-Hello, projects!
1197
01:00:27,457 --> 01:00:29,894
[cheering]
1198
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,330
I am the Reverend
Thurgood Stubbs.
1199
01:00:33,363 --> 01:00:36,300
-I worked very closely
with Eddie to do the pilot,
1200
01:00:36,333 --> 01:00:38,068
and that was fun, and
that was really creative,
1201
01:00:38,135 --> 01:00:41,806
and that was me getting
my feet back into it.
1202
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:43,874
[helicopter sounds]
1203
01:00:43,908 --> 01:00:45,142
-I can't take this anymore!
1204
01:00:45,175 --> 01:00:47,211
I can't take it!
1205
01:00:47,244 --> 01:00:50,247
-But not as satisfying for
for me personally as doing
1206
01:00:50,314 --> 01:00:51,749
my own thing.
1207
01:00:51,816 --> 01:00:52,917
-[Casey] What can we look
forward to seeing from you in
1208
01:00:52,983 --> 01:00:54,184
the future?
1209
01:00:54,251 --> 01:00:56,353
-We have another show that'll be
launching called 'Gary & Mike'
1210
01:00:56,386 --> 01:00:59,356
that's gonna run on
Fox through the summer.
1211
01:00:59,389 --> 01:01:02,026
-There ain't nothing but
open road from here on out.
1212
01:01:02,059 --> 01:01:03,427
[car sputters]
1213
01:01:03,493 --> 01:01:05,763
-[Will VO] We
really scaled it up.
1214
01:01:05,796 --> 01:01:09,066
We did 13 half-hour
shows of 'The PJs'--
1215
01:01:09,099 --> 01:01:11,601
-Don't worry.
I know exactly what I'm doing.
1216
01:01:11,635 --> 01:01:13,403
Whoops! [grunts]
1217
01:01:13,437 --> 01:01:15,472
-[Will VO]
Eight of 'Gary & Mike'--
1218
01:01:15,505 --> 01:01:16,741
-Good luck!
1219
01:01:16,741 --> 01:01:19,443
-You're the one
who's gonna need it!
1220
01:01:19,476 --> 01:01:24,481
-80 or 90 major commercials,
all in a year's time.
1221
01:01:24,648 --> 01:01:28,518
They also were
significant revenue generators,
1222
01:01:28,585 --> 01:01:31,956
but I was
definitely into a new mode.
1223
01:01:31,989 --> 01:01:36,326
I'm not the
filmmaker-entrepreneur at all.
1224
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,530
It was kind of a beast with
a life of its own that didn't
1225
01:01:40,597 --> 01:01:43,533
really equal me so much anymore.
1226
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,202
-When you started, you
were a very small shop,
1227
01:01:45,269 --> 01:01:46,771
and now -- I think you were
telling me -- you have three
1228
01:01:46,804 --> 01:01:48,172
buildings in northwest Portland?
1229
01:01:48,205 --> 01:01:49,840
-[Will VO] Yeah,
we have three buildings,
1230
01:01:49,874 --> 01:01:51,108
sometimes four.
1231
01:01:51,141 --> 01:01:52,877
-[Casey VO] And how
much of a staff now?
1232
01:01:52,943 --> 01:01:55,813
-[Will VO] Well over 300
artists and animators and
1233
01:01:55,846 --> 01:01:57,647
staff-people.
1234
01:01:57,681 --> 01:02:00,284
-Well, we'll be seeing lots
of you as the years go by.
1235
01:02:00,317 --> 01:02:02,552
Will, thank you so much for
joining us on Oregon Art Beat.
1236
01:02:02,619 --> 01:02:03,888
-My pleasure.
1237
01:02:03,921 --> 01:02:05,189
*"You've Got a Friend
in Me" by Randy Newman*
1238
01:02:05,222 --> 01:02:07,024
-[Charlie VO] 'Toy Story'
made history last year as the
1239
01:02:07,057 --> 01:02:10,060
first
computer-generated feature film.
1240
01:02:10,094 --> 01:02:13,030
Joining me now,
Pixar's chairman and CEO,
1241
01:02:13,063 --> 01:02:14,799
Steve Jobs.
1242
01:02:14,865 --> 01:02:17,935
-We're about putting
stories into the culture,
1243
01:02:17,968 --> 01:02:19,636
that's what we're--
We're about telling stories.
1244
01:02:19,703 --> 01:02:20,805
And you know--
1245
01:02:20,838 --> 01:02:22,206
-I'm gonna come back and
interview you in five years and
1246
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:25,375
find out you're in some other
business and you found some
1247
01:02:25,409 --> 01:02:26,610
other well to go fishing in?
1248
01:02:26,643 --> 01:02:29,313
-You know, I tend to stay
where I start until somebody
1249
01:02:29,379 --> 01:02:30,480
kicks me out.
1250
01:02:30,547 --> 01:02:32,817
[laughter]
1251
01:02:32,883 --> 01:02:35,585
-[Will VO] Steve Jobs seemed
to have an interest in us
1252
01:02:35,619 --> 01:02:38,155
as a television organization.
1253
01:02:38,222 --> 01:02:41,125
After quite a bit of due
diligence between the companies,
1254
01:02:41,158 --> 01:02:44,829
they came back and floated the
idea that Pixar would purchase
1255
01:02:44,829 --> 01:02:49,834
us and purchase all of
my stock for Pixar stock.
1256
01:02:50,835 --> 01:02:53,137
I'm going, "Well, what-
you know, okay, I'm sitting on
1257
01:02:53,170 --> 01:02:56,173
millions of shares of Will
Vinton Studios stock and there's
1258
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,276
this company called Pixar,
so I'd be trading that for
1259
01:02:59,309 --> 01:03:02,612
millions of shares or
something of this Pixar stock,"
1260
01:03:02,646 --> 01:03:05,382
and basically just
rejected it out of hand.
1261
01:03:05,415 --> 01:03:09,887
Well, jump forward
about [laughs] 10/15 years.
1262
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,191
If I had taken that deal, I'd be
probably arguably be one of the
1263
01:03:14,224 --> 01:03:16,660
largest, maybe the
largest shareholder of Disney.
1264
01:03:16,693 --> 01:03:19,063
[laughs]
1265
01:03:20,865 --> 01:03:23,233
-[man] You've been a
businessman for many years.
1266
01:03:23,267 --> 01:03:25,102
-[laughs]
1267
01:03:25,169 --> 01:03:26,536
Of sorts.
1268
01:03:26,570 --> 01:03:30,407
-Why did you step
down as CEO in 1997?
1269
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:35,112
-I really wanted to get back to
doing what I had always-- what I
1270
01:03:35,179 --> 01:03:39,249
used to do, which was more
development and directing and
1271
01:03:39,283 --> 01:03:42,452
focus on that, on
the creative side.
1272
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:46,690
-[Will VO] I was really eager to
get back into being a director,
1273
01:03:46,723 --> 01:03:51,228
and I was kind of ready
to shed responsibility.
1274
01:03:51,261 --> 01:03:54,932
I ended up deciding that I
really did need to bring in a
1275
01:03:54,965 --> 01:03:59,269
CEO that could come in and
handle the business side.
1276
01:04:01,738 --> 01:04:04,141
We actually came up with a
guy that I thought the world of
1277
01:04:04,174 --> 01:04:05,910
named Tom Turpin.
1278
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:08,545
-[David VO] Tom Turpin
was a Gentleman's Quarterly
1279
01:04:08,612 --> 01:04:11,515
version of your
ideal CEO candidate.
1280
01:04:11,548 --> 01:04:14,118
He looked good, he
could say the right things,
1281
01:04:14,151 --> 01:04:19,023
he was always very
warm in a Hollywood way.
1282
01:04:19,056 --> 01:04:22,927
-People were leery when Tom
Turpin started because he was
1283
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,064
just this dashing,
charming, fast-talking guy.
1284
01:04:28,032 --> 01:04:30,067
And Will just loved him.
1285
01:04:30,134 --> 01:04:33,703
We were like, "The guy just
says whatever you want to hear."
1286
01:04:33,737 --> 01:04:35,305
-Are you ready to make your
wildest dreams come true?
1287
01:04:35,339 --> 01:04:36,806
Of course you are!
1288
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,008
-Whoa!
1289
01:04:38,008 --> 01:04:41,946
-I actually joined April 1st,
1997 -- April Fools Day --
1290
01:04:41,946 --> 01:04:42,947
and I dug it.
1291
01:04:42,980 --> 01:04:45,049
I just thought it
was a cool place, very cool.
1292
01:04:45,082 --> 01:04:47,151
The ad division was
really a cash cow,
1293
01:04:47,184 --> 01:04:48,752
and it really covered
a lot of the overhead,
1294
01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:50,754
so when the TV shows
came in, they started making
1295
01:04:50,820 --> 01:04:51,956
a lot of money.
1296
01:04:51,956 --> 01:04:53,958
We actually made a lot of money.
1297
01:04:53,958 --> 01:04:56,426
-[Will VO] One of the things
that our CEO felt we should do
1298
01:04:56,493 --> 01:04:58,095
is raise capital.
1299
01:04:58,162 --> 01:05:00,430
Well, that's a completely
different concept than what we
1300
01:05:00,497 --> 01:05:01,531
had ever had.
1301
01:05:01,598 --> 01:05:03,433
You know, what are we
gonna do with this capital?
1302
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,236
And of course the mantra was,
"You raise capital when you
1303
01:05:06,270 --> 01:05:07,237
don't need it."
1304
01:05:07,271 --> 01:05:10,640
[laughing] Oh, okay, all right.
1305
01:05:10,674 --> 01:05:13,978
I think that
sounds right. [laughs]
1306
01:05:13,978 --> 01:05:17,281
-[man] Take a look
at exhibit four, please.
1307
01:05:18,582 --> 01:05:20,017
-[Tom VO] Phil, I
couldn't think of a more
1308
01:05:20,084 --> 01:05:22,586
prestigious investor than that.
1309
01:05:22,619 --> 01:05:26,290
We reminded him of when he was
at the beginning of his career,
1310
01:05:26,323 --> 01:05:28,993
and there was
something fun in that for him.
1311
01:05:28,993 --> 01:05:32,296
Company like Nike is so big;
it just turns into a monster
1312
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:35,299
business, and your
role changes, right?
1313
01:05:35,332 --> 01:05:38,835
He just remembered that
kind of entrepreneurial juice,
1314
01:05:38,868 --> 01:05:42,706
and he saw it in us
-- let's just do it.
1315
01:05:43,107 --> 01:05:47,511
For $5,000,000, Phil acquired
15 percent of the company.
1316
01:05:47,544 --> 01:05:50,114
-[man] I heard you got offered
five million bucks to do one of
1317
01:05:50,147 --> 01:05:52,482
those tennis shoe
ads, is that true?
1318
01:05:52,516 --> 01:05:55,652
-Whoa, $5,000,000?
1319
01:05:55,685 --> 01:05:58,022
-I still liked the idea
of getting in the feature
1320
01:05:58,055 --> 01:05:59,789
film business.
1321
01:05:59,823 --> 01:06:01,025
-[Tom VO] To
move into features,
1322
01:06:01,025 --> 01:06:03,527
you need to have a
deep pocket behind you.
1323
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:08,098
Pixar had Steve Jobs, and
now Vinton has Phil Knight.
1324
01:06:08,132 --> 01:06:10,134
-[Jeffrey VO] I can't think
that any other business that
1325
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,069
he's invested in is stayed.
1326
01:06:12,102 --> 01:06:16,706
It was totally out of
character for Phil to do that.
1327
01:06:16,740 --> 01:06:20,644
Knight had so much money; it was
going to be a great partnership.
1328
01:06:23,447 --> 01:06:26,616
-[Will VO] Having built this
company, and 25 years later I
1329
01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:30,587
actually was looking at a kind
of exit strategy to slip into a
1330
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:35,625
different role and allow me
the time to do my own projects.
1331
01:06:36,226 --> 01:06:38,395
-[Tom VO] I think that
Will's real dream was to be
1332
01:06:38,428 --> 01:06:40,397
making feature films.
1333
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:42,766
[chimes]
1334
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:46,736
-[man VO] Will Vinton Features
presents 'The Frog Prince.'
1335
01:06:47,071 --> 01:06:50,907
-We've taken the timeless appeal
of the Brothers Grimm story and
1336
01:06:50,940 --> 01:06:54,844
made it into this
expansive, magical,
1337
01:06:54,911 --> 01:06:58,415
emotionally
engaging musical comedy.
1338
01:06:58,448 --> 01:07:03,453
-He was so optimistic and
excited and enthusiastic about
1339
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,090
everything that he did.
1340
01:07:06,090 --> 01:07:09,359
Not only were we gonna have
'Gary & Mike' and 'The PJs'
1341
01:07:09,393 --> 01:07:14,398
running, but we had three
pilots that were in production.
1342
01:07:14,431 --> 01:07:17,334
And at the same time, it was
looking like some of these
1343
01:07:17,367 --> 01:07:20,737
feature films were gonna
happen; 'Corpse Bride' started
1344
01:07:20,770 --> 01:07:23,107
to happen.
1345
01:07:24,208 --> 01:07:29,179
It felt like all of
Will's dreams were coming true.
1346
01:07:31,415 --> 01:07:36,420
-Mr. Knight had been a
shareholder since 1998, correct?
1347
01:07:37,187 --> 01:07:38,288
-Correct.
1348
01:07:38,355 --> 01:07:40,124
-[man] And he had been
very hands-off, hadn't he?
1349
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:41,291
-Yes, that's correct.
1350
01:07:41,358 --> 01:07:44,261
-And his son had been an
employee from about that same
1351
01:07:44,294 --> 01:07:46,029
point in time, correct?
1352
01:07:46,130 --> 01:07:48,565
-That was one of the things
that Phil wanted as part of that
1353
01:07:48,598 --> 01:07:52,269
first investment was for his
son to have employment there.
1354
01:07:52,302 --> 01:07:55,939
*moody ambient music
1355
01:07:55,972 --> 01:07:58,208
-Phil Knight just said,
"I have a son who's in the
1356
01:07:58,242 --> 01:07:59,309
creative world.
1357
01:07:59,376 --> 01:08:01,711
He likes animation;
he's rapping now."
1358
01:08:01,745 --> 01:08:03,213
-*Nikes on my
feet, kick your seat*
1359
01:08:03,247 --> 01:08:04,348
*Through the
right or the left*
1360
01:08:04,381 --> 01:08:06,350
*Imma keep it slick
1361
01:08:06,383 --> 01:08:08,785
*You thought that I was
whack, money [indistinct]*
1362
01:08:08,818 --> 01:08:10,520
*Another name
for Richard is Dick*
1363
01:08:10,554 --> 01:08:13,657
*So get off mine
1364
01:08:13,690 --> 01:08:15,692
-[man VO] Although he's got his
own state-of-the-art recording
1365
01:08:15,725 --> 01:08:18,795
studio and indoor
tennis and basketball courts,
1366
01:08:18,828 --> 01:08:21,965
all this millionaire homeboy
really wants is to have his very
1367
01:08:21,998 --> 01:08:24,168
own posse.
1368
01:08:24,201 --> 01:08:26,970
I mean what's your response to
the kind of support or lack of
1369
01:08:27,003 --> 01:08:28,672
support you've
had from Portland?
1370
01:08:28,705 --> 01:08:30,374
-A lot of people have
a problem with me just because
1371
01:08:30,407 --> 01:08:32,242
they think I'm tryin' to front
or tryin' to fake or tryin' to
1372
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:33,510
be Black or whatever.
1373
01:08:33,543 --> 01:08:35,078
Think I'm tryin' to
be something I'm not.
1374
01:08:35,179 --> 01:08:36,713
-[man] So you're kind of
like a homeboy without a posse
1375
01:08:36,746 --> 01:08:38,182
in a way.
1376
01:08:38,215 --> 01:08:39,649
-Yeah pretty much.
1377
01:08:39,683 --> 01:08:43,753
-Any young person, especially
any young son of a really
1378
01:08:43,820 --> 01:08:48,525
successful wealthy person, it's
a struggle to find an identity,
1379
01:08:48,558 --> 01:08:52,762
and Will hasn't
wished to be a great rapper.
1380
01:08:52,829 --> 01:08:56,400
But he found his niche and he
went to work for the company
1381
01:08:56,433 --> 01:08:58,235
that his dad's invested in.
1382
01:08:58,268 --> 01:08:59,669
[record scratches]
1383
01:08:59,703 --> 01:09:01,338
-[Tom VO] He
started like everybody started.
1384
01:09:01,371 --> 01:09:03,673
You don't need to know anything;
come and sweep the floors,
1385
01:09:03,707 --> 01:09:05,242
see if you like it.
1386
01:09:05,275 --> 01:09:08,278
Will and I thought the best way
to support Travis is not to tell
1387
01:09:08,312 --> 01:09:10,647
anybody that Phil
Knight's his dad.
1388
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,517
I don't think anybody
knew for three years.
1389
01:09:13,583 --> 01:09:15,352
-To Travis's credit,
he seemed to really,
1390
01:09:15,419 --> 01:09:18,955
really love the animation
and took to it right away.
1391
01:09:18,988 --> 01:09:22,759
-[man] What are your goals
or plans as far as Travis's
1392
01:09:22,792 --> 01:09:24,428
involvement in the company?
1393
01:09:24,461 --> 01:09:25,929
-Well they're not my
plans; they're his plans,
1394
01:09:25,962 --> 01:09:30,634
that essentially his
plan is to be an animator.
1395
01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:32,469
That's what he loves doing.
1396
01:09:32,502 --> 01:09:35,805
He doesn't have management
ambition at the present time.
1397
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:37,974
He doesn't even want to be a
director at the present time.
1398
01:09:38,007 --> 01:09:40,644
He wants to be an animator,
which he's very good at.
1399
01:09:40,677 --> 01:09:44,681
*moody ambient music
1400
01:09:44,714 --> 01:09:47,150
-[Chris VO] Will's
enthusiasm was the company's
1401
01:09:47,251 --> 01:09:50,287
greatest asset and
probably the greatest danger.
1402
01:09:52,256 --> 01:09:56,826
Both Tom Turpin and Will Vinton
were just raving and so excited
1403
01:09:56,860 --> 01:09:58,662
about what was happening.
1404
01:09:58,695 --> 01:10:01,064
And there were all
these dreams and goals,
1405
01:10:01,130 --> 01:10:03,500
but they never
seemed to have a plan B.
1406
01:10:03,533 --> 01:10:05,669
You know, what are you
gonna do if it doesn't happen?
1407
01:10:05,702 --> 01:10:07,304
He's like, "It'll happen."
1408
01:10:07,337 --> 01:10:12,041
-When Tom Turpin came in, it
became a very corporate place.
1409
01:10:12,075 --> 01:10:15,479
The whole structure -- the
feeling -- was different.
1410
01:10:15,512 --> 01:10:18,315
I would say it was a
completely different company.
1411
01:10:18,348 --> 01:10:23,019
-The "MBA" approach to CEO is
as all-powerful management,
1412
01:10:23,052 --> 01:10:25,221
we know best.
1413
01:10:25,255 --> 01:10:30,193
-[man] Why was Mr.
Turpin's contract not renewed?
1414
01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:34,998
-Primarily because
of his performance.
1415
01:10:35,031 --> 01:10:38,602
As Tom's policies
began to take effect,
1416
01:10:38,668 --> 01:10:41,505
we started losing money and
started spending an awful lot
1417
01:10:41,538 --> 01:10:43,106
of money.
1418
01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:45,709
-[David VO] Tom Turpin
wasn't making great decisions.
1419
01:10:45,742 --> 01:10:48,845
A lot of money was being thrown
in a lot of stupid places.
1420
01:10:48,878 --> 01:10:51,948
There's the legend of the
million dollar escalator.
1421
01:10:52,015 --> 01:10:54,684
They had rented two levels
of an office in an LA to look
1422
01:10:54,718 --> 01:10:58,254
impressive as they were
seducing and wooing studios.
1423
01:10:58,288 --> 01:11:01,691
Tom had the great idea to put
in an escalator between the two
1424
01:11:01,725 --> 01:11:04,060
floors because it would
be a dramatic entrance,
1425
01:11:04,093 --> 01:11:07,364
sort of like going up the
escalator to creative heaven at
1426
01:11:07,431 --> 01:11:10,767
Will Vinton's
Hollywood swanky pad.
1427
01:11:11,801 --> 01:11:14,938
-[man] When was
'The PJs' cancelled?
1428
01:11:14,971 --> 01:11:16,806
-It was the early part of 2001.
1429
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,042
-What was the name of the
other television series?
1430
01:11:19,108 --> 01:11:20,344
-'Gary & Mike.'
1431
01:11:20,344 --> 01:11:23,547
-And when did it
cease being on TV?
1432
01:11:23,613 --> 01:11:26,350
-I believe it was right
around the same time.
1433
01:11:26,350 --> 01:11:28,184
-[Tom VO] TV
shows get cancelled.
1434
01:11:28,217 --> 01:11:31,521
These TV shows were like
two-thirds of our revenue --
1435
01:11:31,555 --> 01:11:34,358
$10,000,000-a-year projects --
and then if they go away it's
1436
01:11:34,358 --> 01:11:37,361
like, "Boom,
$10,000,000 is gone."
1437
01:11:37,361 --> 01:11:40,964
-The pilots -- one by one
-- don't get picked up,
1438
01:11:40,997 --> 01:11:43,867
and then the feature films
they've been talking about,
1439
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:47,003
none of those come to fruition.
1440
01:11:47,036 --> 01:11:49,406
And then everything
started to come apart.
1441
01:11:49,473 --> 01:11:53,176
-How would you describe the
financial condition of Will
1442
01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:58,047
Vinton Studios during
the spring of 2002?
1443
01:11:58,081 --> 01:12:01,651
-It was [clears throat]
struggling, not good.
1444
01:12:01,685 --> 01:12:03,853
-[Melissa VO] We have
to support all these people,
1445
01:12:03,887 --> 01:12:07,090
and suddenly your
money-making machine stops,
1446
01:12:07,123 --> 01:12:08,492
but you're
still spending money,
1447
01:12:08,558 --> 01:12:11,160
you're literally bleeding money.
1448
01:12:11,227 --> 01:12:12,762
-If it had been Hollywood,
it would have been a totally
1449
01:12:12,796 --> 01:12:15,565
different deal, because all of
these guys would have been on
1450
01:12:15,599 --> 01:12:18,435
contract -- they would have been
temporary workers -- and the
1451
01:12:18,468 --> 01:12:21,838
minute the work went
away, they would be gone.
1452
01:12:21,905 --> 01:12:26,910
-Was it in that context that the
company approached Phil Knight
1453
01:12:27,243 --> 01:12:31,314
about a possible
additional investment?
1454
01:12:31,415 --> 01:12:33,116
-Yes.
1455
01:12:33,149 --> 01:12:36,252
-He had an army of really smart
businesspeople putting together
1456
01:12:36,285 --> 01:12:38,622
the contracts to
protect his investment.
1457
01:12:38,655 --> 01:12:40,524
There were stacks
like this of contracts,
1458
01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:42,125
you know, that I
didn't even read,
1459
01:12:42,158 --> 01:12:43,960
you know, when we
probably signed up the thing.
1460
01:12:43,993 --> 01:12:46,095
-When you want a loan, there's
only one person you need to
1461
01:12:46,129 --> 01:12:48,264
see--
[quirky sound effect]
1462
01:12:48,297 --> 01:12:49,666
The Brains.
1463
01:12:49,699 --> 01:12:51,801
-It was not an
investment I wanted to make.
1464
01:12:51,835 --> 01:12:54,003
It was not a good
economic investment,
1465
01:12:54,037 --> 01:12:55,439
in my view.
1466
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,141
Will Vinton seemed to me to
be trying to commit suicide for
1467
01:12:58,174 --> 01:12:59,809
the company.
1468
01:12:59,843 --> 01:13:03,146
-He thought that Phil Knight
would be a benign benefactor who
1469
01:13:03,179 --> 01:13:05,682
knew the shoe business.
[laughs]
1470
01:13:05,715 --> 01:13:08,184
I remember Will saying to
me, "There's no business like
1471
01:13:08,217 --> 01:13:09,619
shoe business."
1472
01:13:09,686 --> 01:13:11,521
***
1473
01:13:11,555 --> 01:13:15,058
-I was aware of the fact
that if we had a downturn,
1474
01:13:15,091 --> 01:13:18,061
that he would be able to
take certain kind of control.
1475
01:13:18,094 --> 01:13:20,597
But we'd been
profitable 23 years out of 25,
1476
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:23,366
so what was I worried about?
1477
01:13:23,467 --> 01:13:28,271
-Do you remember him telling
you that if he was to make an
1478
01:13:28,304 --> 01:13:33,309
additional investment, that he
would drive a very hard bargain?
1479
01:13:33,877 --> 01:13:35,244
-[Will] Yes.
1480
01:13:35,278 --> 01:13:38,114
-Do you think Mr.
Knight drove a hard bargain?
1481
01:13:38,147 --> 01:13:39,816
-Sure, absolutely.
1482
01:13:39,883 --> 01:13:43,386
-He was driving a
very hard bargain, correct?
1483
01:13:43,487 --> 01:13:44,654
-[Will] That's correct.
1484
01:13:44,721 --> 01:13:47,724
Could I get a little
more water, or-- could I?
1485
01:13:47,757 --> 01:13:50,494
-[man VO] Phil Knight versus
Will Vinton was sort of like the
1486
01:13:50,494 --> 01:13:52,796
great white
shark versus a guppy.
1487
01:13:52,829 --> 01:13:55,832
[water bubbles]
1488
01:13:55,899 --> 01:13:57,501
-[Melissa VO]
Will must've been somewhat
1489
01:13:57,567 --> 01:14:01,070
blindsided, or maybe didn't
understand that Phil Knight
1490
01:14:01,104 --> 01:14:03,406
would play hardball with him.
1491
01:14:03,507 --> 01:14:08,512
-Were you aware at the time you
signed the employment agreement
1492
01:14:09,546 --> 01:14:14,551
that it authorized your
termination without cause?
1493
01:14:14,718 --> 01:14:18,087
***
1494
01:14:18,154 --> 01:14:19,823
-Sure.
1495
01:14:19,856 --> 01:14:24,861
-Did you have an understanding
what "without cause" meant?
1496
01:14:26,563 --> 01:14:29,733
-Um, a basic
understanding, I guess.
1497
01:14:29,766 --> 01:14:33,436
-Did you understand that
it meant any reason or no reason
1498
01:14:33,537 --> 01:14:36,439
at all?
1499
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:38,608
-[laughs]
1500
01:14:40,443 --> 01:14:42,011
-[Will VO] Now we're
into some really heavy-duty
1501
01:14:42,045 --> 01:14:43,446
business stuff.
1502
01:14:43,547 --> 01:14:47,083
The company's losing money,
and we had a lot of commitments.
1503
01:14:47,116 --> 01:14:50,887
-[Tom VO] They were
hemorrhaging money like crazy.
1504
01:14:51,454 --> 01:14:55,892
-In business, the best deals
are kind of win-win deals.
1505
01:14:55,925 --> 01:14:58,562
That's not the way
they liked to play.
1506
01:14:58,595 --> 01:15:01,765
If somebody's winning,
that means you're losing.
1507
01:15:01,798 --> 01:15:05,669
-[Jeffrey VO] Phil Knight slowly
started taking possession.
1508
01:15:05,702 --> 01:15:10,707
He acquired a lot of it
without Will knowing about it.
1509
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,378
Phil Knight soon had a
majority of the stock.
1510
01:15:17,213 --> 01:15:19,716
-[man VO] Why were you
interested of taking voting
1511
01:15:19,783 --> 01:15:21,851
control of the company?
1512
01:15:21,885 --> 01:15:24,487
-I had to get
something for my investment.
1513
01:15:24,588 --> 01:15:26,690
If it had just been the
economics of the situation,
1514
01:15:26,723 --> 01:15:28,692
I would never have done it.
1515
01:15:28,725 --> 01:15:30,994
But I had a son that worked
there that loved the company,
1516
01:15:31,027 --> 01:15:33,462
that loved his job, loved
the people he worked with,
1517
01:15:33,496 --> 01:15:36,465
had a chance to work with Tim
Burton -- who's probably the
1518
01:15:36,499 --> 01:15:39,368
ultimate in terms of
animation, creative,
1519
01:15:39,402 --> 01:15:43,840
respect, and talent -- and I
concluded that I would try and
1520
01:15:43,873 --> 01:15:46,876
keep the company alive.
1521
01:15:47,043 --> 01:15:51,047
Why on earth did you
not just say thank you?
1522
01:15:55,752 --> 01:15:58,487
-[man] At this point in time,
had you resigned yourself to the
1523
01:15:58,521 --> 01:16:03,326
fact that your days were
numbered at Will Vinton Studios?
1524
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:07,063
-I really couldn't believe
that would be an outcome of
1525
01:16:07,096 --> 01:16:08,965
this business.
1526
01:16:08,998 --> 01:16:12,802
Nobody in their right mind
would lay off the founder of the
1527
01:16:12,836 --> 01:16:17,841
company and the rainmaker
for most of the business,
1528
01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:22,912
except somebody who had other
motives and some deep pocket to
1529
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:26,249
back it up and go
somewhere else with it.
1530
01:16:26,983 --> 01:16:31,955
It was clear that Phil had made
up his mind that he was going to
1531
01:16:31,988 --> 01:16:33,657
take that company.
1532
01:16:33,657 --> 01:16:35,358
[clamoring]
1533
01:16:35,424 --> 01:16:36,793
-[disembodied voice] Fools!
1534
01:16:36,826 --> 01:16:40,664
[people praying]
1535
01:16:40,664 --> 01:16:44,367
-[lman] Were you terminated
from your employment at Will
1536
01:16:44,433 --> 01:16:45,835
Vinton Studios?
1537
01:16:45,869 --> 01:16:49,505
-[sighs] Yes, I was.
1538
01:16:53,309 --> 01:16:58,314
-What is the factual basis for
your assertion that Phil Knight
1539
01:16:58,682 --> 01:17:03,519
wanted to take control of this
company to turn the company over
1540
01:17:03,552 --> 01:17:05,554
to Travis Knight?
1541
01:17:05,588 --> 01:17:10,593
-Well, the fact that
Phil requested Travis's
1542
01:17:10,860 --> 01:17:12,929
employment way back.
1543
01:17:12,962 --> 01:17:17,266
The fact that Travis stayed
a part of the organization,
1544
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:22,405
you know, the Chilly
Tee fiasco happened.
1545
01:17:22,471 --> 01:17:25,942
Which I suspect that this was a
little more compatible way to
1546
01:17:25,975 --> 01:17:29,078
use money to get
into the business.
1547
01:17:29,112 --> 01:17:31,580
Heck, it's hard to imagine
any other motivation,
1548
01:17:31,614 --> 01:17:34,383
to be frank.
1549
01:17:34,583 --> 01:17:37,153
-[Jeffrey VO] There
are these issues of nepotism.
1550
01:17:37,220 --> 01:17:40,223
There are these issues of,
"Did Phil Knight take advantage
1551
01:17:40,256 --> 01:17:42,091
of Will?"
1552
01:17:42,125 --> 01:17:43,927
*dark string music
1553
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:47,563
This collision of Phil Knight
and Will Vinton -- creativity
1554
01:17:47,596 --> 01:17:50,734
versus commerce --
they were at odds,
1555
01:17:50,734 --> 01:17:53,402
and...
1556
01:17:53,436 --> 01:17:57,841
Will came out the
loser of that battle.
1557
01:17:57,907 --> 01:18:01,978
-[man] You're aware that
you're entitled to a termination
1558
01:18:02,011 --> 01:18:03,780
payment, correct?
1559
01:18:03,813 --> 01:18:04,981
-Yes.
1560
01:18:05,014 --> 01:18:07,050
-You got the $50,000, correct?
1561
01:18:07,083 --> 01:18:08,084
-[Will] That's correct.
1562
01:18:08,151 --> 01:18:10,586
-You never got the
$150,000, isn't that right?
1563
01:18:10,653 --> 01:18:11,888
-[Will] That's correct.
1564
01:18:11,955 --> 01:18:15,424
-And that's because one of those
conditions was that the 'Corpse
1565
01:18:15,491 --> 01:18:19,195
Bride' contract be
signed, correct?
1566
01:18:19,228 --> 01:18:20,997
-[laughs] Yes.
1567
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:24,768
-Was it only coincidental that
the 'Corpse Bride' contract was
1568
01:18:24,768 --> 01:18:27,904
signed the day after Mr.
Vinton's was terminated?
1569
01:18:27,937 --> 01:18:29,939
-Yes.
1570
01:18:30,006 --> 01:18:34,177
-[Jeffrey VO] He walked
away with $50,000 for a lifetime
1571
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:37,513
of artistic and
creative struggle.
1572
01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:39,949
That's ridiculous.
1573
01:18:40,016 --> 01:18:42,786
-[Michele VO] There was
no need to do that mean stuff.
1574
01:18:42,786 --> 01:18:47,523
They took Claymation, the
name-- they took everything.
1575
01:18:47,556 --> 01:18:49,793
They didn't need to do that.
1576
01:18:49,793 --> 01:18:53,062
I think that's
really "poor paper,"
1577
01:18:53,096 --> 01:18:55,598
as my grandma would say.
1578
01:18:55,631 --> 01:18:59,302
-Are you happier today that
you are no longer employed by
1579
01:18:59,368 --> 01:19:00,970
that company?
1580
01:19:01,037 --> 01:19:05,308
-I absolutely did not
want to leave that company.
1581
01:19:05,341 --> 01:19:08,812
-And you have told the public
or people that you are happier
1582
01:19:08,812 --> 01:19:11,714
today that you're no
longer employed by the company.
1583
01:19:11,815 --> 01:19:16,152
-How could I be happy about
having left the company that I
1584
01:19:16,185 --> 01:19:21,190
built, that I am so close to?
1585
01:19:21,724 --> 01:19:26,662
It was like a family, and I had
my entire net worth wrapped up
1586
01:19:26,695 --> 01:19:28,497
in that company.
1587
01:19:28,531 --> 01:19:31,500
I...
1588
01:19:31,534 --> 01:19:34,470
My...
1589
01:19:42,045 --> 01:19:43,913
Yeah.
1590
01:19:43,980 --> 01:19:45,314
-[man] That's all
I have for today!
1591
01:19:45,348 --> 01:19:47,183
-[laughs]
1592
01:19:47,216 --> 01:19:52,155
*"RIP Coyote Condo
#5" by Grandaddy*
1593
01:20:17,513 --> 01:20:20,216
-He just didn't know
what was happening,
1594
01:20:20,249 --> 01:20:22,385
and his studio was just gone.
1595
01:20:22,418 --> 01:20:26,689
***
1596
01:20:35,198 --> 01:20:36,599
-[Melissa VO]
The next thing I know,
1597
01:20:36,632 --> 01:20:39,368
Vinton Studios
belongs to Travis Knight,
1598
01:20:39,402 --> 01:20:43,139
and that between
Travis and his father Phil,
1599
01:20:43,206 --> 01:20:44,473
it's Laika.
1600
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:46,209
-[reporter VO] It's the little
studio that could -- Laika --
1601
01:20:46,242 --> 01:20:47,944
the CEO of the
company is Travis Knight.
1602
01:20:47,977 --> 01:20:50,446
He joins us now
from Portland, Oregon.
1603
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:51,747
-Something just evolved.
1604
01:20:51,780 --> 01:20:53,816
It was an opportunity that
came up that I-- you know,
1605
01:20:53,883 --> 01:20:55,151
who would think you
could actually make a living
1606
01:20:55,218 --> 01:20:56,252
doing this?
1607
01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:58,587
It does not seem like
it's a plausible life plan,
1608
01:20:58,621 --> 01:21:00,123
but it's
something I always loved.
1609
01:21:00,156 --> 01:21:01,891
And when I had the-- when the
opportunity was presented to me,
1610
01:21:01,925 --> 01:21:05,494
I took it-- I took, you know,
grabbed it and ran with it.
1611
01:21:05,528 --> 01:21:06,495
-[reporter] So was
Laika the opportunity,
1612
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:07,931
or was there another
thing before that?
1613
01:21:07,964 --> 01:21:11,534
-No, I was-- I worked at another
animation house before then.
1614
01:21:11,567 --> 01:21:16,405
-Travis -- by all accounts -- is
a talented guy and transcended
1615
01:21:16,472 --> 01:21:20,343
any sort of talk that this
was all about finding sonny
1616
01:21:20,376 --> 01:21:22,345
boy a job.
1617
01:21:22,378 --> 01:21:25,514
-[Melissa VO] It's just
sad that Will was able to take
1618
01:21:25,548 --> 01:21:30,153
his dream to a certain point
and was not able to go to that
1619
01:21:30,186 --> 01:21:33,056
next level.
1620
01:21:33,089 --> 01:21:35,558
Somebody else took it there.
1621
01:21:35,591 --> 01:21:37,593
-[Tom VO] For Will to
build it up to this point where
1622
01:21:37,660 --> 01:21:39,695
it got as big as it
was ever gonna get,
1623
01:21:39,728 --> 01:21:43,032
and then ka-blooey,
then lose the thing.
1624
01:21:43,066 --> 01:21:46,435
How could he build all this up
and then it gets taken away?
1625
01:21:46,502 --> 01:21:48,404
-[Chuck VO] It goes
back to the Disney thing.
1626
01:21:48,437 --> 01:21:51,574
It's great that
he had that dream,
1627
01:21:51,607 --> 01:21:53,709
but he couldn't do it.
1628
01:21:53,742 --> 01:21:58,547
It's sort of this Disney
ghost that haunted him.
1629
01:21:58,581 --> 01:22:02,451
-I was all broken up
after he got let go,
1630
01:22:02,518 --> 01:22:07,123
and I went to see him at
a little farewell party.
1631
01:22:07,156 --> 01:22:10,193
He said, "I just feel relief."
1632
01:22:10,259 --> 01:22:13,429
He said, "I've been so worried
about how I'm gonna pay the
1633
01:22:13,462 --> 01:22:18,167
bills, how I'm gonna keep
these people employed."
1634
01:22:18,201 --> 01:22:20,169
-[Craig VO] We hopped
in his motorboat and zoomed into
1635
01:22:20,203 --> 01:22:22,771
Portland up the
Willamette from his house.
1636
01:22:22,805 --> 01:22:24,273
I'm like, "Dude, you're cut."
1637
01:22:24,307 --> 01:22:26,442
And he's just like, [motorboat
sound] in his motorboat,
1638
01:22:26,475 --> 01:22:30,013
and I'm like, "Man, clearly
this guy-- the worst things can
1639
01:22:30,013 --> 01:22:33,382
happen to this guy and
he's gonna bounce back."
1640
01:22:33,449 --> 01:22:35,051
-[Mary VO] He
was never vengeful.
1641
01:22:35,118 --> 01:22:37,186
He was certainly
never self-pitying.
1642
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:41,890
And I remember him taking a
fair amount of responsibility.
1643
01:22:42,025 --> 01:22:46,529
He made mistakes; yeah,
he made some bad mistakes.
1644
01:22:46,562 --> 01:22:51,367
But the beauty is, when men get
older and they've lost lovers,
1645
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,038
friends,
businesses, they get humble,
1646
01:22:55,038 --> 01:22:58,407
and then the best
of them comes out,
1647
01:22:58,474 --> 01:23:01,410
and the best of what it
means to be a father.
1648
01:23:01,477 --> 01:23:03,379
-[Jesse VO] I did
get to see him a lot more.
1649
01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:06,782
There was a transformation
emotionally in him.
1650
01:23:06,815 --> 01:23:09,052
He knew better than
ever that family was
1651
01:23:09,085 --> 01:23:10,753
the most important thing.
1652
01:23:10,786 --> 01:23:14,590
***
1653
01:23:21,130 --> 01:23:23,499
-[nurse] Okay, so spell
your last name for me.
1654
01:23:23,566 --> 01:23:24,900
-V-I-N-T-O-N.
1655
01:23:24,933 --> 01:23:26,135
-[nurse] Spell your first name.
1656
01:23:26,169 --> 01:23:28,837
-[laughing]
Seeing if I can spell, or what?
1657
01:23:28,904 --> 01:23:32,975
-I gotta do it for the bracelet.
-W-I-L-L-I-A-M.
1658
01:23:33,076 --> 01:23:38,081
Actually it bothers me to
see needles on somebody else,
1659
01:23:38,347 --> 01:23:39,748
or even my dog.
1660
01:23:39,782 --> 01:23:42,118
God, I about passed out
one time when I took my dog
1661
01:23:42,151 --> 01:23:43,586
in for something.
1662
01:23:43,619 --> 01:23:44,687
[both laugh]
1663
01:23:44,753 --> 01:23:46,489
-I was gonna say, this
has never bothered you.
1664
01:23:46,522 --> 01:23:47,990
-[nurse VO] How are
you feeling today?
1665
01:23:48,091 --> 01:23:49,825
-[Will] Kinda
sluggin' around a little bit.
1666
01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:51,127
-[nurse] You have a
transfusion today, right?
1667
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,462
-[Will] Uh, tomorrow.
1668
01:23:53,496 --> 01:23:55,698
-[nurse] Okay,
any pain today?
1669
01:23:55,764 --> 01:23:56,932
-[Will] A little in the back.
1670
01:23:56,965 --> 01:23:58,934
-[nurse] Any change in
medications since we saw
1671
01:23:58,967 --> 01:24:00,969
you last?
1672
01:24:01,003 --> 01:24:03,372
-Maybe dropped the--
I'm a little confused;
1673
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,008
I've got a lot of doctors.
1674
01:24:06,109 --> 01:24:07,276
-[nurse] Pointer...
1675
01:24:07,343 --> 01:24:08,511
So yeah, you
won't be as short
1676
01:24:08,544 --> 01:24:10,779
of breath after
that transfusion.
1677
01:24:10,846 --> 01:24:12,115
Have you had a
transfusion before?
1678
01:24:12,115 --> 01:24:14,783
-Yeah, just-- yeah.
1679
01:24:14,850 --> 01:24:17,686
Not that long ago.
1680
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,856
-You're-- hang on,
you are a pioneer,
1681
01:24:20,889 --> 01:24:23,759
and I'm excited to say that
we're giving you our lifetime
1682
01:24:23,792 --> 01:24:25,128
achievement award.
1683
01:24:25,194 --> 01:24:27,430
[applause]
1684
01:24:27,463 --> 01:24:28,531
-[Will] Thank you everybody.
1685
01:24:28,564 --> 01:24:32,535
[applause]
1686
01:24:33,202 --> 01:24:36,305
-I think most of you know, Will
Vinton Studios was acquired by
1687
01:24:36,372 --> 01:24:39,775
Phil Knight, and subsequently
1688
01:24:39,808 --> 01:24:42,645
the name was
changed to Laika.
1689
01:24:42,711 --> 01:24:46,149
There are those out there who
think that I should not be very
1690
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:47,750
comfortable with that.
1691
01:24:47,783 --> 01:24:50,419
[laughing] So I'm gonna
set the record straight,
1692
01:24:50,453 --> 01:24:51,754
um, right here.
1693
01:24:51,787 --> 01:24:56,792
The truth is -- you know -- I
couldn't be more pleased that
1694
01:24:56,925 --> 01:25:00,163
under such strong
financial leadership,
1695
01:25:00,229 --> 01:25:03,332
that Laika has been able to
continue to grow and really
1696
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:06,202
expand on the
world of stop-motion.
1697
01:25:06,235 --> 01:25:08,171
-Need a-- need the cigar.
1698
01:25:08,171 --> 01:25:11,240
-[Will VO] For me, all of
this activity, I feel like a
1699
01:25:11,307 --> 01:25:16,078
proud father, or bastard
father in this filmmaker scene.
1700
01:25:16,679 --> 01:25:18,013
-Michele!
1701
01:25:18,046 --> 01:25:19,682
-Oh Will, thank you.
1702
01:25:19,715 --> 01:25:22,718
-[Will VO] And that's
been a continually gratifying
1703
01:25:22,751 --> 01:25:26,021
aspect of this
company that we created.
1704
01:25:26,054 --> 01:25:28,891
But what pushes me and gets
me excited are -- frankly -- my
1705
01:25:28,924 --> 01:25:30,526
own projects.
1706
01:25:30,559 --> 01:25:34,863
See something else come
to life in a new way.
1707
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:41,337
One that I'm extremely excited
about is this musical project
1708
01:25:41,370 --> 01:25:43,206
called 'The Kiss.'
1709
01:25:43,206 --> 01:25:46,275
I'm not a puppeteer but there's
a lot of time that a frog spends
1710
01:25:46,342 --> 01:25:48,211
just sitting there.
1711
01:25:48,244 --> 01:25:50,713
And that's one of their
charms is that they're just
1712
01:25:50,746 --> 01:25:52,448
sitting there.
1713
01:25:52,515 --> 01:25:54,783
And frogs are-- real
frogs, when they move,
1714
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:57,253
they're sudden a lot.
1715
01:25:57,286 --> 01:25:59,755
You know, they hop or
they move or something,
1716
01:25:59,788 --> 01:26:04,793
and then their backend
is completely still again.
1717
01:26:05,794 --> 01:26:07,330
-[Melissa VO] It's an
idea that he was working on when
1718
01:26:07,363 --> 01:26:09,832
he was at the studio -- 'The
Frog Prince' -- that he wanted
1719
01:26:09,865 --> 01:26:12,268
to do as a feature film.
1720
01:26:12,301 --> 01:26:17,306
Now he's metamorphosing that
to now he sees it as a musical.
1721
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:23,045
*"Sugar Lips" by David
Pomeranz and Will Vinton*
1722
01:26:24,313 --> 01:26:26,482
-[Will VO] It's really
about all the things we've been
1723
01:26:26,515 --> 01:26:27,716
talking about.
1724
01:26:27,783 --> 01:26:31,554
It's about characters and
stories and entertainment,
1725
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:32,688
about music.
1726
01:26:32,721 --> 01:26:33,956
It's about comedy.
1727
01:26:33,989 --> 01:26:37,159
It's about great conflicts
that characters have to face.
1728
01:26:37,260 --> 01:26:41,797
***
1729
01:26:46,702 --> 01:26:50,339
As long as I'm alive, I'm
gonna keep making things.
1730
01:26:50,373 --> 01:26:51,340
I just love it.
1731
01:26:51,374 --> 01:26:53,842
I don't know what else to do.
1732
01:26:53,876 --> 01:26:54,710
It's just great fun.
1733
01:26:54,743 --> 01:26:57,713
It's just great, great fun.
1734
01:26:57,746 --> 01:27:00,283
[drips]
1735
01:27:00,316 --> 01:27:03,886
The condition I have -- it's
multiple myeloma -- is a blood
1736
01:27:03,919 --> 01:27:08,090
cancer -- blood and bone.
1737
01:27:08,724 --> 01:27:13,729
And I've sort of done in the
past is ignored and not talked
1738
01:27:13,962 --> 01:27:17,766
about health issues.
1739
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,605
And if you don't talk about
it, people don't pick up on it,
1740
01:27:22,638 --> 01:27:24,673
and so a lot of people -- even
good friends -- might not even
1741
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:29,077
know that I have this condition.
1742
01:27:30,679 --> 01:27:32,781
If you did
mention it to somebody,
1743
01:27:32,815 --> 01:27:35,651
suddenly that was everything.
1744
01:27:35,918 --> 01:27:38,487
It's all anybody talked about,
and it's all anybody asked you
1745
01:27:38,521 --> 01:27:40,188
about, and so forth.
1746
01:27:40,323 --> 01:27:42,991
There are so many more things
I'd rather have them ask me
1747
01:27:43,025 --> 01:27:46,595
about, like
how's-- like, you know...
1748
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:50,333
about the lead
character in 'The Kiss...'
1749
01:27:50,333 --> 01:27:53,369
you know, how
does he really...[chuckles]
1750
01:27:53,436 --> 01:27:56,004
is he really the captain of the
football team who's been
1751
01:27:56,038 --> 01:27:59,174
handicapped by being a frog?
1752
01:27:59,207 --> 01:28:02,210
I mean, that's fascinating,
that's good stuff to talk about
1753
01:28:02,345 --> 01:28:06,114
to me, but...
1754
01:28:06,181 --> 01:28:09,752
during a lot of that
time, I forget about it myself.
1755
01:28:10,686 --> 01:28:14,022
Can't forget about it now
because I'm kind of into it
1756
01:28:14,056 --> 01:28:16,859
intensely with
this new treatment,
1757
01:28:16,892 --> 01:28:19,895
so we'll see how that goes.
1758
01:28:20,696 --> 01:28:23,932
I've been a regular
for a long time, so...
1759
01:28:27,102 --> 01:28:29,872
-2006
1760
01:28:29,905 --> 01:28:33,942
-I think that Will becoming
very ill with this secret,
1761
01:28:33,976 --> 01:28:38,981
internal disease and having a
company that is also sick at the
1762
01:28:39,648 --> 01:28:44,119
same time with internal strife,
we don't know if those two
1763
01:28:44,152 --> 01:28:46,154
things are related, but
it feels like they are,
1764
01:28:46,221 --> 01:28:48,156
doesn't it?
1765
01:28:48,223 --> 01:28:51,627
What would it have been like
if he had been able to say,
1766
01:28:51,660 --> 01:28:55,498
"I'm scared to death"
or "I'm really angry?"
1767
01:28:59,468 --> 01:29:02,838
If I could go back in
time, I'd shake him,
1768
01:29:02,905 --> 01:29:07,175
and I'd say, "Tell me know you
really feel about all of this."
1769
01:29:07,209 --> 01:29:08,411
-[woman] Bye, Will.
-Bye-bye!
1770
01:29:08,477 --> 01:29:10,413
-[woman] Have a great week.
-See you, thanks.
1771
01:29:10,413 --> 01:29:11,847
-[woman] You're welcome.
1772
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,082
-[Jesse VO] Dying
was very confusing for him.
1773
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:16,151
He would say, "If
only this was easier,
1774
01:29:16,184 --> 01:29:21,189
if only I knew
kind of what to do."
1775
01:29:23,191 --> 01:29:25,861
[breathes out]
1776
01:29:25,894 --> 01:29:27,195
-I'm gonna cry.
I miss him.
1777
01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:30,032
He's my friend.
1778
01:29:30,065 --> 01:29:33,436
Thank you, Mr. Will...
1779
01:29:33,436 --> 01:29:36,539
for everything.
1780
01:29:36,572 --> 01:29:41,577
*slow synthesizer music
1781
01:30:00,729 --> 01:30:02,465
-[Will VO] Everything
I've done is a build.
1782
01:30:02,465 --> 01:30:03,466
There's
something that I've built,
1783
01:30:03,532 --> 01:30:06,469
one thing on top of the other.
1784
01:30:06,535 --> 01:30:10,739
I love being able to feel
like my life is a continuum.
1785
01:30:10,773 --> 01:30:13,942
That things that maybe felt like
they might have been missteps
1786
01:30:13,976 --> 01:30:15,911
was not at all a misstep.
1787
01:30:15,944 --> 01:30:19,582
***
1788
01:30:19,615 --> 01:30:22,050
-[Michele VO] Will
was an amalgam of all
1789
01:30:22,084 --> 01:30:24,820
of his characters.
1790
01:30:24,887 --> 01:30:28,824
It's almost as though you took
all that clay and you squished
1791
01:30:28,891 --> 01:30:32,495
it back together in a
big multicolored ball,
1792
01:30:32,828 --> 01:30:36,799
you'd have Will with his big
white mustache and his smile and
1793
01:30:36,832 --> 01:30:39,735
his blue eyes.
1794
01:30:39,768 --> 01:30:43,105
His work -- every time
someone discovers it --
1795
01:30:43,138 --> 01:30:48,110
that pure childhood glee
and knowing that there's magic.
1796
01:30:48,143 --> 01:30:51,614
There absolutely is magic.
1797
01:30:51,647 --> 01:30:55,450
***
1798
01:30:55,484 --> 01:30:56,985
-[Will VO] One of the
coolest things about being an
1799
01:30:57,019 --> 01:30:59,354
artist is the thought that you
can create some of these things
1800
01:30:59,421 --> 01:31:03,158
and it can go on and
live way beyond you.
1801
01:31:04,426 --> 01:31:09,532
It's all such an intense web of
human life and human existence.
1802
01:31:10,265 --> 01:31:12,901
[fire crackles]
1803
01:31:14,770 --> 01:31:18,440
[chimes glisten]
1804
01:31:29,451 --> 01:31:34,456
*"Dazed Inn
Daydreams" by Ariel Pink*
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