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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,680 In 1944, a young man called Milton Ernest Rauschenberg 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,960 embarked on a journey that would take him a million miles away 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,360 from the sprawling oil refinery town where he'd been born 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,400 to working-class parents in 1925. 5 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:25,280 His escape from Port Arthur, 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,960 a cultural desert on the steamy gulf coast of Texas, 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,120 would eventually lead him to paradise. 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,480 By the time Rauschenberg came here in 1970 9 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:41,120 and settled on this beautiful and remote island of Captiva in Florida, 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,520 he'd completely transformed his life. 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,320 He'd even changed his own name. 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,120 Robert Rauschenberg, as he now called himself, 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,280 was by then a world-famous artist, 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,160 with a retinue of assistants helping him create some of 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,400 the most inventive and celebrated works of the 20th century. 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,560 Today, Rauschenberg isn't really a household name like, say, 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,600 Jackson Pollock or Andy Warhol, 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,320 but he really should be because no-one else 19 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,600 came close in working with such a bewildering array 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:16,840 of different styles, 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,760 constantly experimenting with new and surprising materials 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,160 during the course of a career that spanned six decades. 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,760 Bob always was looking for the new. 24 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,720 As soon as he mastered one thing, 25 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,200 he would look for something else that would inspire him. 26 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,040 I'm not interested in doing what I know I can do 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,880 or what I think I can do. 28 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,720 Rauschenberg was a new type of artist, 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,640 one who embraced popular culture in all its trashy glory, 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,880 and expanded the possibilities of what an artwork could be, 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,280 from paintings and sculptures... 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,320 to paintings and sculptures combined. 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,320 He was able to break all these rules and dissolve all of these boundaries 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,240 because he wasn't afraid of the consequences. 35 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,000 From silk-screens and blueprints 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,600 to works on metal and glass. 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:18,240 Bob is the wind blowing through the art world for almost a century now, 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,800 pollinating everything. 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,960 From set and costume design to collaborations with musicians, 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,960 dancers and even scientists, 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Rauschenberg's endless curiosity saw him rewrite the artistic rule book 42 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,040 and anticipate every major art movement from the '50s onwards. 43 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,640 Rauschenberg once said that the whole world was his canvas. 44 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:50,920 He was always a scavenger, collecting life's flotsam and jetsam 45 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:54,800 to create his wildly raucously inventive works of art. 46 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,200 And anything and everything could be a material for him - 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,640 socks, old bedspreads, 48 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:01,480 light bulbs, fans, 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,560 mangled car parts, metal signs, 50 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,600 even a common car tyre... 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,680 ..made of rubber, made of petroleum, 52 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,040 made from crude oil. 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,840 However far he travelled from his home town of Port Arthur, 54 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,200 it was the product of those dirty Texan oil refineries 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,680 that would fuel the best of his art and keep him grounded. 56 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,280 He could make art from anything, you know, whether it's dirt or gold. 57 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,920 There was no such thing as low or high, 58 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,960 there was no hierarchy of art 59 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,240 or material or people. 60 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,720 By talking to those who knew Rauschenberg best, 61 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,120 I'm hoping to find out what drove this man 62 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,680 in his restless quest for reinvention, 63 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,400 which saw him come from small-town America 64 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,240 to become one of the first truly global artists. 65 00:04:20,840 --> 00:04:24,440 Now, there is one person who I've been really, really desperate 66 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,360 to talk to, and that's Rauschenberg younger sister, Janet, 67 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,160 his only sibling. 68 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,480 Now, the only trouble is that she lives in Louisiana 69 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,880 and unfortunately she hasn't been able to fly out to meet me. 70 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,760 However - and I'm hoping that Rauschenberg 71 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,000 would've approved of this - 72 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,640 my solution to the problem is to try and harness 73 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,880 21st-century technology to talk to her via a video call. 74 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,600 So that's what I'm going to attempt to do now. 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,720 There we go. 76 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,360 Janet! Hey. 77 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,280 There's so much that I want to ask you, Janet, 78 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:59,880 but the thing that I've been really trying to find out about is 79 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,120 a little bit about Port Arthur 80 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,200 and what life was like in Texas. 81 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,280 Port Arthur is a blue-collar city, for sure. 82 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:12,520 Not that there's anything wrong with blue-collar, 83 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,840 except that there was no art stuff going on. 84 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:18,720 Let me ask you about that because I wonder how easy was it 85 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,680 for a young man who wants to be an artist 86 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,920 to pursue his dreams in a place like that? 87 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,120 It was impossible. 88 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,560 And, of course, my daddy did not understand art at all, not ever. 89 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,800 People did that for a hobby. 90 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,280 He had no encouragement ever. 91 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:39,080 But Mother was always totally behind Bob. 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,480 She was a delightful little lady - 93 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,040 pretty and silly and just a lot of fun. 94 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,560 And, you know, Bob was silly. 95 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,160 I mean, he was silly-silly. We used to have the best time, 96 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,600 cos I'm silly. 97 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,800 If you couldn't have a good time then you couldn't go with him. 98 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,360 You had to just go by yourself, go do something else. 99 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:04,040 But I do think that Mother had a tremendous influence on Bob. 100 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,400 For all he'd learnt from his mother about making light of life, 101 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Rauschenberg was determined from the very start to forge a career in art. 102 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,640 After a stint in the Navy, he used his GI Bill to get himself 103 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,320 to art school in Paris in 1948. 104 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,200 But by the early '50s, there was only one place to head to 105 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,920 if you wanted to be taken seriously as an artist... 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,280 New York, 107 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:41,520 which, by then, had taken over from Paris 108 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,920 as the centre of the world's avant-garde. 109 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,400 And the fact that he eventually managed to gain a foothold there 110 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,800 and make a name for himself was largely down to this woman. 111 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,280 Susan. Hi, Alastair. Hello. 112 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:56,880 Come in. It's great to meet you. 113 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Thank you very much. You too. 114 00:06:58,560 --> 00:06:59,960 I'm in the right place. You are. 115 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:01,600 So this is your studio, right? 116 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,840 This is my studio. 117 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:06,280 'Susan Weil, who, at the age of 86, 118 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,920 'continues to paint in her New York studio, 119 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,920 'met Rauschenberg in the late '40s. 120 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,240 'And it was she who led him to a place that would stimulate 121 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,720 'the unique way he went about making art.' 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,960 Hi, Alastair. Hello. 123 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,360 This is nice and natural now, isn't it? 124 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,000 Let's start at the very beginning. 125 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,040 I mean, how did you meet Rauschenberg? 126 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Well, when I graduated from high school, 127 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,240 I was young, 18, very juvenile, 128 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,800 and I was enrolled in the Academie Julian in Paris 129 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,200 and in the pension where I was living, 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,880 there was a very huge laugh that boomed out now and then, 131 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,320 and it was Bob. 132 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,600 He had the biggest booming laugh you could imagine. 133 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,440 Do you remember what you found so attractive about Bob to begin with? 134 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Well, he was so easy and friendly and wonderful 135 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,600 and I loved his enthusiasm about art and his wonder at it 136 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,080 because he grew up with people who were horrified about art 137 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,800 and we kind of explored about art together in Paris. 138 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,880 In late 1948, when Susan returned to America to continue her studies 139 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,680 at Black Mountain College, Rauschenberg followed her. 140 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,720 Nestling in the remote hills of North Carolina, 141 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,320 Black Mountain was a haven for progressive minds, 142 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,040 offering interdisciplinary classes to those who wished to experiment 143 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,200 and expand the boundaries of art. 144 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,440 It had that feeling at Black Mountain 145 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,880 that you could do anything you wanted to do - 146 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,360 you just tried to do it in your own way. 147 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,880 So I'm so glad he found Black Mountain 148 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,880 because Bob grew up so fast about art, he really did. 149 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,120 I think that was the first place he had ever been where 150 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,600 his nonconformism was echoed in almost everybody else. 151 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,680 He was in a nest of nonconformers, 152 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,000 and I think he loved the place, 153 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,360 he absolutely felt supremely happy there. 154 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,080 But while Rauschenberg took to Black Mountain immediately, 155 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,520 his stern art teacher, Josef Albers, 156 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,640 a former member of the Bauhaus, 157 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,720 didn't think much of his new student. 158 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,040 Bob always said that Albers was the most important teacher 159 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,280 he ever had and he was sure that Albers felt 160 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,560 he was the worst student that he'd ever had. 161 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,040 He started every class with saying, 162 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,400 "I don't want to know who did that." 163 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,640 And everybody would turn and look at me. 164 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:01,960 Josef Albers recognised ego when he saw it. 165 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,120 And he didn't think we had any right to an ego, 166 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,280 as we were young students, and so he had to wrestle with Bob 167 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,640 in the best way he could, which was to put down his work and so on. 168 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,200 But he was also a very powerful teacher. 169 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,200 Albers was incredibly expansive in what he thought 170 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,320 could be included in a work of art, so his students at Black Mountain 171 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,160 would run out and gather natural materials, 172 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,160 they would gather cigarette butts, they would gather trash from 173 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,480 the dump heap and all of these things would become a work of art. 174 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,160 In fact, in Albers' classes, the word "combination" was a mantra, 175 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,640 so it was a kind of tutoring in collage procedures. 176 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,320 Along with Albers, Rauschenberg met two men at Black Mountain, 177 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,920 choreographer Merce Cunningham and composer John Cage, 178 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,800 who'd become instrumental in helping him forge 179 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,640 a collaborative approach to art. 180 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:04,760 With the help of Cage and his Model A Ford, his wheels were inked black 181 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,640 before being driven over 20 sheets of paper laid on the road. 182 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,440 Rauschenberg created a piece of conceptual art 183 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,320 that marked him out as a pioneer. 184 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,600 And together, the three friends would go on to produce 185 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,680 some of the most ground-breaking performances of the '50s and '60s. 186 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:28,280 With Rauschenberg providing the sets and costumes, 187 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,720 Cage the music... 188 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,080 ..and Cunningham the choreography. 189 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,480 But it was an earlier collaboration with Susan, 190 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,680 who Rauschenberg had married in the summer of 1950, 191 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,160 that first got him press attention. 192 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,640 This is Life magazine with an article about our blueprints. 193 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,120 So this is the collaboration that you did together? Yes. 194 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,120 And it got featured in Life? 195 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,160 I mean, that's quite a big deal to begin with. 196 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,920 I know, we were still students. 197 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,520 I mean, it was crazy to get that attention. 198 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Well, maybe you could just describe how it worked. 199 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,320 So, this is one of the big blueprints and the thing, 200 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:13,000 whether it's a person or a flower, is covering the sensitive paper 201 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,720 and when she gets up, you put it under the shower and it turns blue. 202 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,360 And what about these photographs. This is you - and him! Yeah. 203 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,880 And this is your bathroom, basically? Yeah. 204 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,040 And we had to share the bath and share the kitchen. It wasn't easy. 205 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,800 So when we did blueprints, our neighbour was fuming around, 206 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,120 because he couldn't go to the bathroom. 207 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,080 And of course, 60-odd plus years on, these are major masterpieces. 208 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,880 Do you feel proud? 209 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:50,120 Well, I mean, what I feel is the wonder of finding a new way to work. 210 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,200 It was exciting, you know? 211 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,720 And when you were making them, you were just so anxious 212 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,480 to see how they came out. It was just very exciting. 213 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,160 The editors of Life magazine weren't the only ones 214 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,160 to spot the originality of these works. 215 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,880 One was bought by the Museum of Modern Art 216 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,960 and included in their Abstraction In Photography exhibition in 1951, 217 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,680 providing both the money and recognition 218 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:32,240 the young Rauschenberg craved. 219 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,920 But just as his career seemed to be taking off, 220 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,360 his relationship with Susan, 221 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,160 who'd by then given birth to their son, Christopher, 222 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,240 was coming to an end. 223 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:47,440 After Christopher was born, 224 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,520 Bob went back to Black Mountain to do some teaching and so on, 225 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:56,080 and I went there that summer with Chris, he was a new-born baby, 226 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:02,080 and then I left Black Mountain and I was on my own after that. 227 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,800 While teaching at Black Mountain, Rauschenberg had fallen in love 228 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,400 with a young painter called Cy Twombly. 229 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Bob and Cy were gorgeous-looking. 230 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,560 They were just drop-dead beautiful, both of them. 231 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,400 Was Black Mountain the kind of place 232 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,240 where, if you were two young, gay men in a relationship, 233 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,240 you could be fairly open about it? 234 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,600 Well, you know, homosexuality during the '50s 235 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,160 was different than it is now. 236 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,320 It was so hidden. 237 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,280 And I think it was hidden by homosexuals to themselves. 238 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,120 Bob evidently didn't realise the degree 239 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,640 to which he was a homosexual until then. 240 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,480 Where you aware, when you got married, 241 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,560 of Rauschenberg's openness in terms of sexuality? 242 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,000 I didn't really understand it, because I was a dopey teenager. 243 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:09,480 The most he ever said about it was, "I find men attractive." 244 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,600 So the marriage fell apart, but forever, we were very dear friends. 245 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,120 We cared about each other a great deal and he adored Christopher, 246 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,320 so that was all very positive. 247 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,040 By the mid '50s, Rauschenberg's relationship with Twombly had ended 248 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,520 and he returned to New York, intent on making a name for himself. 249 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,000 But he wouldn't find it easy to fit in. 250 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,840 The contemporary art scene was then dominated 251 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,480 by the Abstract Expressionists. 252 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,600 And compared to their non-figurative paintings, 253 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,520 full of brooding introspection, Rauschenberg's exuberant works, 254 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,000 brimming with references to real life, 255 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,720 seemed totally left-field. 256 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,680 In a pioneering film by Emile de Antonio, Rauschenberg 257 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,560 explained his approach to art that marked him out as a renegade. 258 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,840 You have to have time to feel sorry for yourself, 259 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,880 if you're going to be a good Abstract Expressionist. 260 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,160 And, er... 261 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,600 ..I think I always considered that a waste. 262 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,280 It wasn't that he rejected them, 263 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,080 he didn't reject what they were doing, 264 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,400 he just wanted to open it up. 265 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,640 And most of them were very contemptuous of him, 266 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,040 because they felt he wasn't serious. 267 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,280 They felt he was doing things that were just silly, childish antics. 268 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,840 No wonder, perhaps, when he was creating works like this. 269 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,640 In his Erased de Kooning Drawing, made - 270 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,240 or rather unmade - in '53... 271 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,640 ..Rauschenberg acquired a drawing from the high priest 272 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,600 of Abstract Expressionism, Willem de Kooning 273 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,480 and then proceeded to rub it out. 274 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,680 But de Kooning, captured here on film by Robert Snyder, 275 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,360 didn't make it easy for him. 276 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:24,200 He said, "I'm going to give you 277 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,840 "something really difficult to erase." 278 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,400 HE LAUGHS 279 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:36,200 And he gave me something that had charcoal, oil paint, pencil, 280 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:42,680 crayon and I spent a month erasing that little drawing that's this big. 281 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,000 I think that that's one of the greatest conceptual documents 282 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,200 in the history of art. 283 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,080 It was the first time that somebody created 284 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,840 a work of art by subtraction. 285 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,360 That's an amazing thing to have done. 286 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,720 In his rebellion against the old guard, 287 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,880 Rauschenberg soon found a willing accomplice, Jasper Johns, 288 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,600 another young hopeful hailing from the South 289 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,360 who'd become the most important person in his life. 290 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,480 I think at the beginning it was primarily love at first sight. 291 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:32,040 There was a poetic quality to Johns that was very appealing to him. 292 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,480 It's amazing to me that they ever had a relationship, 293 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,000 because Bob is so opposite to Jasper. 294 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:42,560 Bob is so flamboyant and Jasper is more contained. 295 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,480 Despite their different temperaments, Rauschenberg and Johns 296 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,160 united in rejecting Abstract Expressionist angst. 297 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,200 Their playful works, which instead celebrated popular culture, 298 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,480 paved the way for pop art 299 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,720 and eventually turned them into top-selling artists. 300 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,200 But when a Rauschenberg and Johns got together in the mid '50s, 301 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,800 they were still penniless and hungry. 302 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,680 Rauschenberg was surviving on this minuscule food budget 303 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,400 of just 15 cents a day. 304 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,760 He said that he couldn't even afford the ticket 305 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,120 of a ride on the subway. 306 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,000 And they were living together in this condemned building 307 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,960 in downtown Manhattan without even hot water. 308 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:30,400 So Rauschenberg began to scour the streets for discarded junk 309 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,000 that he felt certain could be the raw - and crucially, free - 310 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,840 materials for his art. 311 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,040 During the '50s, some American artists realised what the Dadaists 312 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,880 in Europe had known about 30 years before. 313 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,240 Mainly that societies reveal themselves in what they threw away. 314 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,200 Street junk was, to these men, 315 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,120 what the flea market had been to the Surrealists. 316 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:01,040 And among them, there was one at budding master, 317 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,280 a man in his 20s from Texas, named Robert Rauschenberg. 318 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,520 I actually had kind of a house rule. 319 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,800 If I walked completely around the block 320 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,040 and I didn't find enough to work with, 321 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,720 I could pick one other block in any direction 322 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,040 to walk around, but that was it. 323 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,440 He once described it, he said, "I have a peculiar kind of focus. 324 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,480 "I tend to see everything in sight." 325 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,960 He could look at the world around him uncritically. 326 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,080 He could see that, as subject matter, a torn comic strip 327 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,280 lying on the street could be as usable as a Renaissance painting. 328 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,800 All of these things could be a source of imagery. 329 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,080 Rauschenberg came up with a new term 330 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,600 for these pioneering strange hybrid works of art 331 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,960 he started creating in the '50s out of things he'd scavenged. 332 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,040 And that term was "the combines". 333 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,120 And that's because they're part painting, part sculpture 334 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:14,920 and this is one of the very first combines of all. 335 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,800 It's called Bed and there's a brilliant story attached to it 336 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,520 about its creation. 337 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,000 Here he is, spring 1955 - a destitute, penniless artist 338 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,040 and he runs out of canvas, yet he still feels compelled to paint. 339 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,400 So what does he do? 340 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,640 He looks around him and he finds this old quilt and thinks, 341 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,800 "Aha, I can use that. I can paint on it." 342 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,720 But the thing he kept coming up against 343 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,200 was that it always looked like a quilt. 344 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,440 So his light bulb moment, if you like, was to say, 345 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,080 "Well, why don't I just create a painting of a bed?" 346 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,720 So he added the pillow, he added the sheet. 347 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,200 And he was very happy with the results, 348 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,520 but when it was first exhibited in the late '50s, 349 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,280 people were utterly shocked. 350 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,720 Some of the reviews thought it looked violent, disgusting. 351 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:10,200 One critic compared it to a police photo of a murder scene. 352 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,840 But that's not how Rauschenberg saw this work at all. 353 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:17,120 He later said that this is one of the friendliest works of art 354 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:18,720 that he ever created. 355 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,000 He said his biggest fear was that people might actually crawl in 356 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,240 and want to have a little sleep. And I think that's key. 357 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,080 It tells us exactly what Rauschenberg was all about 358 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,720 as an artist. 359 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,160 He was about inclusiveness, welcoming in the world. 360 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,600 Welcoming in reality to bridge that gap between art and life 361 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,080 and make this something that we, ordinary people, 362 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520 can understand and relate to. 363 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,480 It's part of our world, rather than some elite zone of high art. 364 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,040 At a very young age, he was clear in what he didn't want to be, 365 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,720 which was a, you know, wishy-washy, 366 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,160 second-generation Abstract Expressionist painter. 367 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,920 He just dispensed with this whole idea 368 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:09,560 that paint served as a marker for someone's psychic state. 369 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,360 I mean, he always insisted that things were just things 370 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:17,440 and that was a key distinction between him and an older generation. 371 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,800 I'll tell you something that I find slightly puzzling 372 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,240 about the '50s work. 373 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,800 You know, you've characterised the way Rauschenberg 374 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,720 went about trying to dismantle Abstract Expressionism. 375 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,240 At the same time, these combines are intensely personal, 376 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000 autobiographical works. Here's his son. 377 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,320 There's the reading of the homoerotic content 378 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,360 of one of the most famous combines, Monogram. 379 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,600 You know, there's that famous Robert Hughes line that 380 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,120 this is almost one of the most witty and compelling images 381 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,240 of homosexual love, of the goat penetrating the tyre. 382 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,200 Oh, I guess I haven't thought about that, I'm sorry, Alistair! 383 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,680 SHE LAUGHS Really? Yes. Amazing! 384 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,040 Do you think it's got some credibility? I'm sure it does. 385 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,680 I mean, Rauschenberg is an artist creating works of art 386 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,520 and his interests and the things in his life come in, 387 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,440 and therefore sexuality is part of it. 388 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,640 He is a young, gay man in a pre-Stonewall world 389 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,960 and he's signalling his relationships 390 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,280 in various ways through his work. 391 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,080 By the early '60s, Rauschenberg's combines had earnt him a reputation 392 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,440 as the bad boy of the New York art world. 393 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,800 But, by then, his relationship with Jasper Johns was over. 394 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,560 It ended because of a very trite lovers' quarrel. 395 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,200 To be specific, one day, Jasper came back and found Bob 396 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,840 in a compromising position with a dancer from the Cunningham Company. 397 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,400 I think it was very painful for them and for their close friends 398 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,720 for quite a long time afterwards. Because it had been 399 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,000 an extraordinarily electrifying relationship. 400 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,920 Some consolation for the mess in his personal life 401 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,800 came in the form of the most prestigious professional recognition 402 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,600 that any artist could hope for. 403 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,680 In 1964, Rauschenberg became the first American to win 404 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,560 the grand prize for painting at the Venice Biennale. 405 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,480 And in that same year, he was given his first British retrospective 406 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,640 at London's Whitechapel Gallery. 407 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,480 An event important enough to be covered by the BBC. 408 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,200 Brian. Yes? Did you check the bulbs? 409 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Well, the bulbs are all right and I know it'll work at the moment. 410 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,560 The fantastically inventive scope of his work 411 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,360 was quickly picked up by the British press. 412 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,320 This is a piece from the Observer and it's headlined, 413 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,840 "Rauschenberg: new pace-setter in art." 414 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,120 Here's another piece, "Not Just A Joker." 415 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,440 "An artist who solemnly presents us with a stuffed and grubby chicken 416 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,280 "perched on a box is a sitting target for mockery." 417 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320 "Yet," he says, "I'd warn against dismissing him 418 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,800 "as a pretentious joker. 419 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,800 "In my view, this 38-year-old Texan is the most important artist 420 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,120 "America has produced since Jackson Pollock in the 1940s." 421 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,680 'Rauschenberg has lived and worked in New York since 1951 422 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,480 'and even now he's painting more, he still likes mixed techniques. 423 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,720 'On Barge, he's used silkscreen quite a lot, 424 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,960 'his latest idea. A printed transfer process which imposes 425 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,640 'a real photographic image on the canvas, 426 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,680 'but has unreal printed texture to offset the oil paint around it.' 427 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,080 It was for his early silkscreen paintings, 428 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,040 started around the same time that Andy Warhol seized on the technique, 429 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,640 that Rauschenberg had won the prize in Venice. 430 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,320 But rather than cash in on his success, 431 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,920 he did something most people would find incomprehensible. 432 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,080 His response to winning was to make a call to home 433 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,360 to tell a friend to destroy all of his silk screens. 434 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,560 So he was determined that once he was celebrated 435 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,800 with a certain kind of work, that he wasn't going to repeat it any more 436 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,280 and he pushed himself to reinvent himself wholly again. 437 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,400 Perhaps not surprising, then, 438 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,640 that just does Rauschenberg was attracting international praise 439 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,280 as a painter, he decided to head off in a completely different direction. 440 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,400 There's a biographical fact about Rauschenberg 441 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,240 that I find particularly fascinating, 442 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,280 and that is he was a superb dancer, 443 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,840 despite the fact that, growing up as a boy, 444 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,960 his parents were fundamentalist Christians. 445 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,560 They'd been part of a very austere sect that banned drinking 446 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,800 and gambling and dancing as well. 447 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,080 But, in the '50s, he started collaborating regularly 448 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,200 with Merce Cunningham, who had an experimental dance company. 449 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,400 But it wasn't until the '60s that his passion for dancing, 450 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040 for performing, really took flight. 451 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,360 MUSIC: Boogie Nights by Heatwave 452 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,920 He's always worked at lots of different things, 453 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,800 likes to get away from painting for periods, mostly into the theatre. 454 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,520 In Pelican, his own roller-skate ballet, 455 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Rauschenberg reassured the other dancers 456 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,400 by trying out the movements himself. 457 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,840 Even the music is his own sound combine. 458 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,280 Some of the performances he did were stunning. 459 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,760 The dance on roller skates - 460 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,200 every time, it just had you, your heart was in your throat. 461 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,080 You were scared that something bad was going to happen, 462 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,720 because it looked so dangerous - and it was. 463 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,120 Um... Oh, my God! 464 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600 He would move around this roller-skating rink 465 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,240 and pick up a ballerina and the contrast 466 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,920 between her delicacy and grace and these two guys on roller skates 467 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,160 with their parachute wings galumphing around, 468 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,360 it was hilarious. 469 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,200 It was always a lot of fun to be in Bob's pieces. 470 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,920 They were playful, imagistic... 471 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,040 What was he doing in terms of designing costumes 472 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,400 and designing sets? 473 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:41,360 In one piece of his, I had a harness that had a screen over my head. 474 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,360 Preposterous! You know, in terms of a costume. 475 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,440 Bob was shooting images of the Empire State 476 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,640 building onto the screen and I was holding a watermelon 477 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,720 covered with a small cloth 478 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,280 and I pulled the cloth back and it exposed the head of the watermelon 479 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,440 to the audience and then drop it over again, 480 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,880 so it had kind of a pornographic quality to it. 481 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,360 Sounds utterly outrageous! 482 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,400 It seems very natural to me, when I think about the way he saw. 483 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,680 Everything would be included as part of his art-making. 484 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,920 You know, from Bob, everything was acceptable, always. 485 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,360 It never felt too radical, 486 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,640 because it was him and he just kept opening doors. 487 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,760 Wow, Julie. It's so big. I know, it's amazing, isn't it? 488 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,360 I mean, you could really imagine this... 150 feet. 489 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,400 In 1966, the 69th Regiment Armoury in New York became the venue 490 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,520 for one of Rauschenberg's most ambitious ventures. 491 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,240 A multimedia event held over the course of nine evenings 492 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,080 that would blow the minds 493 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,680 of the 10,000 curious visitors assembled there. 494 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,760 PSYCHEDELIC ROCK MUSIC PLAYS 495 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,720 'In January 1966, ten artists from New York 496 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,880 'and 30 engineers from Bell Telephone Laboratories 497 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,960 'began a collaboration that resulted 498 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,000 'in a series of dance, music and theatre works.' 499 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,760 The events began with a piece choreographed by Rauschenberg 500 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,880 called Open Score. 501 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,680 It started with a tennis game. 502 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,080 Frank Stella and his tennis partner came out and she measured the net, 503 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,520 totally serious, and then they started playing. 504 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,080 RINGING CHIME 505 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,920 The racquets were fixed in such a way 506 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,480 that in the handle of the racquet was a FM transmitter, 507 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,360 so every time the racquet hit a ball, 508 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,200 the sound was transmitted to an FM radio and then to the sound system, 509 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,240 so every time the ball was hit, you heard this very loud bong. 510 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,560 One of the things about the armoury which we discovered very quickly 511 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,160 was that there was a five-second echo. 512 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,160 SHE CLAPS 513 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,320 CLAP ECHOES 514 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,840 It's very... It is acoustic mayhem, isn't it? 515 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,000 We knew about how this sound was going to reverberate. 516 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,520 This natural, beautiful sound. 517 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,200 And so he took full advantage of it. 518 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,840 CHIMES ECHO 519 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840 Each time the ball was hit, 520 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,840 one of the lights around the armoury went out. 521 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,480 What happened towards the end? They kept playing. Did they? They did. 522 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,680 And once it was dark, completely, the second part started. 523 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,200 500 people came onto the floor in the darkness and as they came in, 524 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960 they each said, "My name is, my name is..." 525 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,800 I am Walter Segal. 526 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,640 I am Barbara Wold. 527 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,280 And then as the crowd's part finished, the spotlight went on to 528 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,760 a figure in a sack and you began to hear this voice singing. 529 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,240 CHORAL SINGING 530 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,840 And Bob would pick her up and put her down at a certain point, 531 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,120 let her sing a bit longer, pick her up and put her down somewhere else. 532 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,760 It's pure performance art. 533 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,520 It's very, very simple, very human gestures. 534 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,520 Helping Rauschenberg bring his performance to life was 535 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,360 a visionary scientist from Bell Laboratories called Billy Kluver. 536 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,640 Through the organisation they formed - 537 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,880 Experiments in Art and Technology - 538 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,920 the pair would go on to produce inventive, interactive work 539 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,360 that married art with cutting-edge technology. 540 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,720 You know, looking back - EAT and the collaborations with Bob - 541 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,560 it really was part of the utopian enterprises of the '60s, 542 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,320 certainly with the election of JFK and then with the moon travel, 543 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,280 it was incredible optimism for America. 544 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,040 So the promise of technology was quite strong and the promise 545 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,560 that the individual working with the technology could make a difference. 546 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,280 And I think Bob was supremely committed to that idea. 547 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,320 # OK, friends, it's time for the Fatback Band 548 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,160 # Yeah 549 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,360 # Wicky-wacky... # 550 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,160 By the mid '60s, Rauschenberg had enough money to buy himself 551 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,600 a large studio in a converted Catholic orphanage 552 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,920 on Lafayette Street in downtown Manhattan. 553 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,520 And it quickly became a favourite hang-out for all the people 554 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,720 Rauschenberg was collaborating with at the time. 555 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,280 It was like every day was a party. 556 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,360 It was always, you know, hilarious. 557 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,640 I mean, I just remember that we just laughed a lot. You know? 558 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000 You felt you were part of a family, when you're sitting round the table, 559 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,960 Lafayette Street, you're part of Bob's family. 560 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,520 I think a lot of people felt that. 561 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,280 Another regular visitor to Rauschenberg's Lafayette studio 562 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,360 was his teenage son, Christopher. 563 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,360 So this is the kitchen. 564 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640 This is the part of the house where, really, everything happened. 565 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,880 I mean, yes, work was made in the studio, but basically, everything... 566 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,160 This was the conviviality in here? 567 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,240 So, you... I mean, as a boy, you must remember this really well. 568 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,800 Yeah. You'd come in here, this is where you'd see your dad. 569 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,840 And this is within walking distance of my mum's house in Chinatown, 570 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,880 so I would just get off the subway at Astor Place 571 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,920 and come in and hang out. 572 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,800 He always had Haagen Dazs ice cream in there, so that was OK. 573 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960 Was this the original range that was...? 574 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,840 Yeah, from the orphanage. 575 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,880 BAGPIPE-LIKE DRONE What a noise! There you go. 576 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,080 John Cage wouldn't want me to turn that sound off. 577 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,400 But maybe we will need some hot holder here. 578 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,760 And who would you...? 579 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,040 I mean, if you walked up the stairs and came into the kitchen 580 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,680 as we have just done... Yes? ..who typically might you run into? 581 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,840 Pretty much anybody. 582 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,160 So, you must have felt very glamorous to be coming over here, 583 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,680 because here was this space, centre of parties, this charismatic man 584 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,720 who was always at the centre of attention, also dating other men. 585 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,840 Sure, yeah. He had great boyfriends. 586 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,920 You would meet them, interact with them? 587 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,800 Oh, yeah. Sure. Yeah. 588 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,160 They were terrific friends and wonderful grown-ups for me to be 589 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,240 around when I was a young adult or teenager, so it was all good. 590 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,520 So, I get the impression that your memories of your dad 591 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,800 sound remarkably positive. Yeah. 592 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,120 But there is another element about him that is very well-known, 593 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680 which I imagine could have been quite disruptive in a dad, 594 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,920 which is that he was an alcoholic. 595 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,840 What are your memories of that? 596 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,280 It depended. 597 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000 I mean, there were periods of his life 598 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,240 where he drank a lot and it was OK. 599 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,560 There was a period later in his life where it was really a problem 600 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,320 and he was really struggling and not, you know... 601 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,760 You witnessed this? Oh, absolutely, yeah. 602 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,600 As in, he couldn't work? 603 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,880 Well, he always could work, but he was really, sort of, tortured by it. 604 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,560 I don't think he made much of his art while he was drunk. 605 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,840 I mean, I think if he was drunk, he was drunk. 606 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,240 He was not in a position to make art. 607 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,720 I mean, Bob had an enormous ability to drink. 608 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:18,360 I've never seen anybody drink like that in my life. 609 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040 I think he became dependent on it. 610 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,760 Did you see a change in his personality as well, 611 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,200 the way he interacted with other people? 612 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:34,000 He became less considerate of others when he was drunk. 613 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,760 He was never nasty to me. 614 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,360 He could be cutting to people when he was drunk. 615 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560 But what was it that was driving him to drink that much? 616 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,360 I don't...I don't know. 617 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,680 I only know that Bob was a perceptual machine. 618 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,520 Everything that was happening in the world 619 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,040 was being loaded through every pore of his skin. 620 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,640 That's a very heavy burden to carry. 621 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,800 In 1970, with his drinking out of hand 622 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,320 and his creativity at a low ebb, 623 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,880 Rauschenberg decided it was time to clean himself up, 624 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,560 get out of New York and make a fresh start elsewhere. 625 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,240 # Sunday morning 626 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,520 # Brings the dawn in... # 627 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,160 The beautiful island of Captiva, off the coast of Florida, 628 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,520 where Rauschenberg lived for the next 40 years, 629 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,480 would provide the haven he'd need to start working again. 630 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,640 Not a bad place in the world, is it? 631 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,160 Can we just stay here? Yeah, I think we're done, right? 632 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,040 Exactly. Where's the towels and...? 633 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,680 The cocktails. Yeah. 634 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,160 So, I mean, this is the place where there are all of these... 635 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,400 I can see them already. Oh, absolutely. 636 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,320 This is famous for people collecting shells. 637 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,840 Yeah, one of the best shelling places in the world. 638 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,720 And the fishing's amazing. Bob, you know, every day. 639 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,440 So, he'd be like this man? Absolutely. 640 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,400 There's pictures of him. That pose is perfect. 641 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,840 When did he first come here? 642 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,080 Well, someone had told him about this island and so he said, 643 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,920 "I'm going down there to check it out," and what he told me was, 644 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,000 he got on the island, he had to stop the car for a turtle 645 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,040 to cross the road and he just loved that. That was it. 646 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,960 So then he bought this house. 647 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640 Come on in to the beach house. This place is great. 648 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,880 If these walls could talk... 649 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,600 I'll tell you what I love about it, it's not grand. 650 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,320 It's not massive, yeah. It's not huge. Simple, yeah. 651 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,800 It's humble living. Absolutely. 652 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,880 And that's clearly part of the thing - just keep it relaxed. Right. 653 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,880 He had no furniture, cos he wanted it very minimal 654 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,240 and he actually added this wall, 655 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,520 because everything was about hanging art, right? 656 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,320 So he needed more wall space. So that was built and added. 657 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,600 If I was staying here, Matt, I'd get nothing done. Exactly. 658 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,240 I'd sleep, I'd swim, I'd snooze, I'd read. 659 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,080 Yeah. What was he doing? 660 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,760 His routine was, you know, he worked late. 661 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,760 So he wasn't exactly an early riser, 662 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040 but he would always get up, take care of any of the business 663 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,480 that was going on - correspondence, those kinds of things. 664 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,720 Kind of lunchtime this is going on? Yeah, around ten. 665 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,280 Young And The Restless, had to see the soap opera, 666 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,600 that was a definite. Well, it's just wonderful. You know, there he is. 667 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,440 That's one of my favourite photos of him. 668 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,880 And that smile, if you look at all the pictures throughout his life, 669 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,920 that's what you see, is that smile. 670 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,160 So this was like the centre of his universe for a long time, right? 671 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,640 Yeah. From 1970, he made 99% of his art, 672 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,720 if not a little bit higher, here on this island. 673 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,920 So this, I think, might have saved his life. 674 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000 I think that coming here, just giving him that licence 675 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,840 to just stop worrying about business and things and make art. 676 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,760 I went to an astrologer once. 677 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:30,160 I was having some kind of serious psychological dilemmas 678 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:35,360 and he said, "I'll tell you one thing, don't go to the mountains. 679 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,160 "Hit the sun and the water." 680 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,560 I was worried about how I would adjust to it. 681 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,320 I thought, "I'm going to miss New York so much," 682 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,960 and it turned out that I love it. 683 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,800 Today, thanks to a scheme run by the foundation set up in his name, 684 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,160 Rauschenberg's multifaceted approach to art is kept alive 685 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,160 by a new generation of artists. 686 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,760 Bob had envisioned a residency in Captiva being used for artists. 687 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,360 He was really about creative exploration and I think that 688 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,200 the foundation has this natural tendency to try different things, 689 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,560 to keep it very creative and test some of those boundaries. 690 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,320 The fact that we are able to have his studio full of these 691 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,840 really interesting artists, in all fields from all over, 692 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,520 we are able to continue doing the things he would do. 693 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,600 Yeah, he's gone, but he is still in conversation with millions of people 694 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,680 and they all come away deeply moved by his spirit 695 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,840 and the generosity and, "Let's all work together." 696 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,680 I already knew that Captiva was a really special place, 697 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,120 but coming here to the fish house, it's so surprising, 698 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,880 because Rauschenberg made art that was frenetic, it was urban. 699 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480 He had this restless spirit and this place, 700 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,840 its magic is all about stillness and tranquillity. 701 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,680 And I find it really moving, 702 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,560 thinking of this mercurial man whose soul was in perpetual motion, 703 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,040 if you like, who needed to come here, seeking peace, craving peace. 704 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,000 And it was this place that provided him with that solace 705 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,120 that he clearly always craved. 706 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,240 I think that Captiva really was a parting of the seas, 707 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:56,720 of the noise of urban life and allowing him to be a part of nature. 708 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,560 It was a place where he could find his own ideas 709 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,680 and look at the natural environment in a new way. 710 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120 With his drinking now under control, 711 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,960 Rauschenberg started creating new works 712 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,680 that, even on the tropical island of Captiva, 713 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,480 were inspired by the everyday materials he'd always been drawn to. 714 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,600 "A desire built up in me to work in a material of waste and softness. 715 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,680 "Something yielding with its only message a collection of lines 716 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,120 "imprinted like a friendly joke. 717 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,000 "A silent discussion of their history exposed by the new shapes. 718 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,040 "Laboured, commonly with happiness - boxes." 719 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,240 So any kind of imagery 720 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,520 on the cardboard series is what was on the boxes when he found them - 721 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,520 "This side up," or "Handle with care," whatever. 722 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,200 It's not like he commissioned them. 723 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,480 These are boxes that have genuinely been used. 724 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,880 So, when you see the writing on them... 725 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,560 What does this say? "Phillips plated." 726 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,880 It's just totally commercial things, which he's turned into art. 727 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,040 Right. What are these at the far end of the room? 728 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,160 This is a series that is called Early Egyptians, 729 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,520 and those are cardboard boxes 730 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,160 that he then took out to the beach in front of the studio 731 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,360 and covered them with an adhesive and put sand on them 732 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,720 and then he painted the backs with Day-Glo paint, 733 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,640 which then reflects in colour against the wall. 734 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,600 You can see little hints of red or other colours on them. 735 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,720 That's really hiding the light under a bushel. 736 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,280 I mean, this is bright orange here. 737 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600 I would never have known that if you hadn't told me. 738 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,920 Can we look at some of the other work? 739 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,320 This is an incredible sculpture. What's this? 740 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,800 The specific work is called Global Chute 741 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,040 and obviously with the globe in the top 742 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,160 and what looks like a chute from a rooftop or whatever. 743 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,360 This must be... I mean, it genuinely looks like 744 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,760 a piece of architecture that he salvaged. Right. 745 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,400 It's fallen off the top of the building. 746 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,840 It's almost as though the Earth is heading this direction, 747 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,720 towards the garbage. 748 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,320 How much was he thinking about, from the '70s on, 749 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,400 real ecological, environmental issues? 750 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,440 He was very concerned with environmental issues. 751 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120 There was a Captiva conservation organisation, 752 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,720 so he was both concerned locally with what was just around his house 753 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:22,760 and his studio and then globally - 754 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,760 if he could support a major cause worldwide, he would that as well. 755 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,520 In the early '80s, 756 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,360 the social and environmental concerns underpinning all of his art 757 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,560 saw a Rauschenberg shift his focus beyond Captiva's calm shores. 758 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,320 He now embarked on an ambitious humanitarian project, 759 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,960 crisscrossing the globe to promote world peace through his art. 760 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,240 ROCI - the Rauschenberg Overseas Culture Interchange - 761 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,320 would take him to 11 countries and consume all his energies 762 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,400 for the best part of a decade. 763 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,320 Bob said, "I know what I want to do. 764 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,120 "I want to go to various countries, 765 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,600 "countries that are challenged and look at the art of that country, 766 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,280 "meet with the indigenous people, speak to students, 767 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,920 "sense the political situation and gather information and objects 768 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,480 "to produce work as an offering to the people of the country." 769 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,200 OK, important distinction. 770 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,280 Yes, "to the people of the country." 771 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,560 So, was this more about art or perhaps 772 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,120 more about a kind of activism? 773 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,800 Well, I think it's both. 774 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,000 Many of the countries were oppressive 775 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,040 and he wanted to offer to tradition-bound people 776 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,320 an alternative way of seeing, of feeling, of thinking. 777 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,320 It's a peace mission without a missionary. 778 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:04,000 Through information about each other, around the world, 779 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,440 we might be able to stop some of the stupidity 780 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,440 that are controlling us, because I'm being controlled 781 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,400 by probably an equal amount of stupidity as you are. 782 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,360 These paintings were all from his exhibition in Cuba. 783 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,800 Oh, you can see, for instance, there are some of the stars of there, 784 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,200 but this is this old Cuban classic car. Right. 785 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,080 And this looks like a skull. 786 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:46,760 Bob felt that a work wasn't finished until the viewer finishes the work 787 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,040 by coming to it and bringing his reaction. 788 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,440 To show that in a physical way, he put a mirror in it 789 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,280 and then there's the viewer in the picture. 790 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,880 And particularly disconcerting that here, 791 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,680 my head is almost directly parallel with the skull. 792 00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,520 If you stand in the right place. 793 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,480 That seems to be Rauschenberg's funny joke. 794 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,760 They're always incredibly serious, but very light-hearted 795 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,760 and humorous often and just pretty much everything caught his eye. 796 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,120 These are some negatives from when Bob was in Moscow. 797 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,520 So this is an example of what he did in ROCI? 798 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,960 He'd go to a country and... 799 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,000 Walk around, take pictures, pick up debris. 800 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,000 Pick up whatever seemed to him to speak of the place. 801 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,680 So what's caught his eye here? 802 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,040 There's architecture of the city, is that an old woman on a bus? 803 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,600 Yes, I think that's the driver. That's the driver, maybe. 804 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,640 Oh, yeah, so it is. And this is just broken fencing or something, 805 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,080 but there's a great sense, just looking at this, 806 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,080 it gives you that idea of he's there presumably 807 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,120 with a camera the whole time - click, click, click. 808 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,160 Now, I may be biased, because I'm a photographer, but to me, 809 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,800 his whole way of looking at the world is the way a photographer 810 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080 looks at the world. They look at things that other people 811 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,560 would just walk by and say, "Oh, that's nothing." 812 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,560 I think photography really was very, very central. 813 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,800 I mean, I guess you've pulled this out, 814 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,800 because is this him writing about it? 815 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,240 Yes, yes. What does he say about it? 816 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:15,520 "My preoccupation with photography in the beginning, 1949, was first 817 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,400 "supported by a personal conflict between shyness and curiosity. 818 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,960 "The camera functioned as a social shield. 819 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,120 "In 1981, I think of the camera as my permission 820 00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,920 "to walk into every shadow or watch while any light changes. 821 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,280 "My concern is to move at a speed within which to act. 822 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,520 "Photography is the most direct communication 823 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,520 "in non-violent contacts." 824 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,000 Bob was not naive. 825 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,000 He certainly didn't think that he was going to produce peace 826 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,000 in our time through the ROCI exhibition. 827 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,160 But I listened and watched the dialogue between Rauschenberg 828 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,720 and people on the street. 829 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,560 He made a difference. 830 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,280 If you were on the street with him and you realised how he 831 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,760 physically and literally touched people with his humanity. 832 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,680 I mean, he exuded humanity. 833 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,640 He exuded caring. 834 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,240 Is Rauschenberg almost this one-man United Nations? 835 00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:18,240 Absolutely. He wanted a purity to this and, in the end, 836 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:22,400 there was a decision on Bob's behalf that he could not be seen 837 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,240 as taking funding from any organisation or government. 838 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,880 And so he funded himself. 839 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:36,040 He sold his Twomblys and his Jasper Johns, all to fund ROCI. 840 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,000 It's a testament to the integrity of ROCI. Absolutely. 841 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,560 For Rauschenberg, ROCI was a labour of love 842 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,200 and one cost him a personal fortune of up to $10 million. 843 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:53,280 But to others, it seemed a naively idealistic project. 844 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,480 I lost most of my dealers. 845 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,240 They thought this was a... 846 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:02,120 Sort of an extravagant waste of time and talent. 847 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,240 But that was its function. 848 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:13,960 How best I could world-widely waste my time and talent and money. 849 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,640 We did all three very well, didn't we, Don? 850 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,200 That's a really good one. 851 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,880 With his professional fortunes at an all-time low, 852 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,600 Rauschenberg retreated to his vast studio in Captiva 853 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,600 and, regardless, made new work based on imagery 854 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,240 from his travels for ROCI. 855 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,920 This is, essentially, the fabrication studio downstairs 856 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,960 and the upstairs was where he would create the works. Mm-hm. 857 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,600 Imagine, if you will, 858 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,240 it was a wall of racks of silk-screens and there was 859 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,920 probably 500 silk-screens and they were all lined up vertically. 860 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,520 But it was unique, because Bob would be upstairs 861 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,960 and he would have this large book, 862 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,640 and he would say, "Bring me Chile 203," 863 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,440 or, "Japan 506," or whatever and we would bring the screens up. 864 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,320 Then he would work on them. 865 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,400 But though Rauschenberg continued to be inspired by his global adventure, 866 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,600 by the early '90s, New York's art world felt he'd lost his way. 867 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,600 There was a pretty general wave of turning against Bob 868 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,840 and the same thing happened to Picasso 869 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,800 in the later stages of his career. 870 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,600 Critics began saying he hadn't done anything good since 1938, 871 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,360 but with Bob, I think what happened was that he's such a producer 872 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,920 and in Captiva, with a team around him, and a lot of resistance, 873 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,960 the production got larger and larger. 874 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,160 And in that situation, you can't possibly expect everything 875 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,840 to be at the highest level. 876 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,440 But there was always three or four or five 877 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,360 that were absolutely dead on top flight Rauschenberg. 878 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,960 In the last decade of his life, 879 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,440 the rest of the art world seemed to catch up with this thinking. 880 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,560 And the man who had become something of an unsung prophet in his own land 881 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,960 was awarded with a major retrospective 882 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,760 at New York's Guggenheim Museum - 883 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,640 recognition for an artist who'd consistently 884 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,760 broken new ground over six decades. 885 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,960 But in 2002, aged 76, America's arguably most prolific 886 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,520 and original artist suffered a stroke 887 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,560 that left his right arm paralysed. 888 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,800 It was the beginning of the end for a man who'd lived for his art. 889 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,720 I remember being in the studio one day with him and we were looking at, 890 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,760 I think, the last set of paintings that he made. 891 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,040 And it became kind of still 892 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,280 and sweet... 893 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,560 ..and he began to cry. 894 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:21,200 And he said to me, "Ernie, I have lost so much." 895 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,720 What did you say to him? 896 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,960 I told him that he had given us so much 897 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,960 and that it would always be with us 898 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,920 and that, for a man who had lost so much, 899 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,880 it was a pretty fabulous set of paintings. 900 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:42,560 What can you say to someone you love, but be realistic? 901 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,640 Bob knew that his life was soon to be over, 902 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,280 that he couldn't continue to live like that. 903 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:57,720 By 2008, Rauschenberg's health had dramatically declined. 904 00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,440 And following heart disease, he was put on a life-support machine. 905 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:12,080 Bob had been really almost sick to death three other times, 906 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,640 in the intensive unit and whatever, 907 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,520 and he got well. 908 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,480 So I always felt that he could make it through this one, 909 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,840 but then, he was so sick 910 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,120 and he wanted to go back to Captiva. 911 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,920 He did not want to die in a hospital. 912 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,640 What happened at the very end, Janet? 913 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,760 Because, as I understand it, 914 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,040 he took a conscious decision to end things, didn't he? 915 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:43,200 He had a trachea thing and they would not be able 916 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,320 to ever get him back breathing on his own. 917 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,800 And so he didn't want to... 918 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,640 That was not the way he wanted to live. 919 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:56,280 And I was just mortified by it and I told him, I said, "Let's just wait. 920 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,920 "Maybe you'll get better." 921 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,520 And so he just kind of squeezed my hand and he said, 922 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,680 "Let me go, please." 923 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,560 So, we had to do that. 924 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,720 I still miss him so much. 925 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,760 I think the best job in the whole world was being Bob's little sister. 926 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,640 It was so much fun. 927 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,680 It was entertaining, but it was meaningful, too. 928 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,840 I learned a lot from him. A lot. 929 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,600 He was such an amazing person - 930 00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,040 his sense of humour, he was such a giver. 931 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,680 And everybody would say that, you know, there was just something. 932 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,400 One of a kind, broke the mould. 933 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,160 All those cliches, if you will, that was Bob. 934 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,680 I would think from time to time, as an art student, 935 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:51,960 that I wish I could have been around the likes of Leonardo or Cezanne 936 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:57,280 or Picasso and then I realised, especially towards the end, 937 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,200 that I had been in the presence of that kind of genius. 938 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,040 He was profound, simply profound. 939 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,000 And we were all the beneficiaries because of it. 940 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,640 So much of the work we see today has its roots in things 941 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,280 that Rauschenberg did. 942 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,960 Every corner of his work can be mined and used by younger artists, 943 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,920 as a starting point or as an opening point. 944 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,360 He opened everything up. 945 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,160 He opened the world up. 946 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,720 And it's still going on. 947 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,120 If you'd like to see more of Robert Rauschenberg's arts, 948 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,920 a major retrospective featuring many of his greatest works 949 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,120 is currently showing at London's Tate Modern, 950 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,960 before transferring to the Museum of Modern Art in New York next spring. 951 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,600 # Hey, hey, hey, hey 952 00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,320 # This is a perfect work 953 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,600 # Your photograph. # 82768

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