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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,391 --> 00:00:02,785 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:02,785 --> 00:00:05,309 detectives and prosecutors face daunting challenges 3 00:00:05,309 --> 00:00:07,790 when money is the motive for murder. 4 00:00:10,314 --> 00:00:12,012 Downtown Reno is gripped in panic 5 00:00:12,012 --> 00:00:13,926 after a judge is shot. 6 00:00:13,926 --> 00:00:16,451 My initial reaction was that this was a random shooting. 7 00:00:16,451 --> 00:00:18,279 We walked to the driveway. 8 00:00:18,279 --> 00:00:21,630 A series of blood droplets appeared 9 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:23,197 outside the garage door. 10 00:00:23,197 --> 00:00:24,850 After a second attack, 11 00:00:24,850 --> 00:00:27,114 investigators reveal a terrifying plot. 12 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:29,725 I believe money was the main issue. 13 00:00:29,725 --> 00:00:32,815 One item that stood out appeared to be a to-do list. 14 00:00:32,815 --> 00:00:36,210 I had great concern about who was next on the list. 15 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:37,776 Officials rush to cage 16 00:00:37,776 --> 00:00:39,822 an unsuspecting killer on the loose. 17 00:00:39,822 --> 00:00:40,910 There were three families 18 00:00:40,910 --> 00:00:42,825 who were living this nightmare 19 00:00:42,825 --> 00:00:45,828 while all this tactical stuff was going on. 20 00:00:45,828 --> 00:00:49,527 These men and women dedicate their lives to law and order. 21 00:00:49,527 --> 00:00:51,312 Most murderers, quite simply, believe 22 00:00:51,312 --> 00:00:52,965 that their life is more important 23 00:00:52,965 --> 00:00:54,576 than the life of the victim. 24 00:00:54,576 --> 00:00:57,492 These are their true stories. 25 00:01:11,158 --> 00:01:13,116 Doctors treated Judge Chuck Weller 26 00:01:13,116 --> 00:01:15,510 for gunshot wounds to the chest. 27 00:01:15,510 --> 00:01:17,816 There are multiple bullet fragments seen, 28 00:01:17,816 --> 00:01:19,688 with significant bleeding. 29 00:01:19,688 --> 00:01:23,648 Judge Weller was standing in his chambers 30 00:01:23,648 --> 00:01:25,694 when he was shot. 31 00:01:25,694 --> 00:01:28,349 There was absolute pandemonium. 32 00:01:28,349 --> 00:01:30,525 Nobody knew where that shot originated from, 33 00:01:30,525 --> 00:01:33,223 and nobody knew how many more shots would come. 34 00:01:33,223 --> 00:01:35,530 People were fleeing from the streets. 35 00:01:35,530 --> 00:01:37,097 They were hiding. 36 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:38,707 People driving down the street were 37 00:01:38,707 --> 00:01:41,536 removed from vehicles and shoved into businesses. 38 00:01:41,536 --> 00:01:44,060 It was a horribly frightening experience, 39 00:01:44,060 --> 00:01:46,236 and people were panicked. 40 00:01:46,236 --> 00:01:48,847 My initial reaction was that this was a random shooting, 41 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:51,502 that this was a sniper who had taken a perch 42 00:01:51,502 --> 00:01:54,766 and was firing indiscriminately upon people, 43 00:01:54,766 --> 00:01:56,986 and he happened to have targeted the judge. 44 00:01:56,986 --> 00:01:58,335 The bullet had entered 45 00:01:58,335 --> 00:02:00,555 through Judge Weller's chamber's windows. 46 00:02:00,555 --> 00:02:03,384 Part of the fragments had struck books 47 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:05,473 in a bookshelf behind him. 48 00:02:05,473 --> 00:02:09,259 So we were able to isolate the trajectory of the shot. 49 00:02:11,740 --> 00:02:13,220 Right at 12:00, 50 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:15,178 there was a multilevel parking garage 51 00:02:15,178 --> 00:02:19,139 that looks almost directly into the judge's chambers. 52 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:21,924 The Reno Police Department isolated and cordoned off 53 00:02:21,924 --> 00:02:24,274 about a 3 by 5 block area. 54 00:02:24,274 --> 00:02:26,972 I donned a SWAT vest and a SWAT helmet. 55 00:02:26,972 --> 00:02:28,322 I grabbed a rifle. 56 00:02:28,322 --> 00:02:30,062 And I began to respond to the area 57 00:02:30,062 --> 00:02:31,194 where the shot had originated. 58 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:34,719 As a team, we began systematically clearing 59 00:02:34,719 --> 00:02:37,679 the parking garage floor by floor. 60 00:02:39,463 --> 00:02:41,422 While police searched for the missing gunman, 61 00:02:41,422 --> 00:02:43,467 investigators tried to uncover 62 00:02:43,467 --> 00:02:46,253 why a sitting judge would be a target for murder 63 00:02:46,253 --> 00:02:48,298 and who was responsible. 64 00:02:48,298 --> 00:02:51,083 I, during the course of my career, 65 00:02:51,083 --> 00:02:54,086 had occasion to meet Judge Weller several times. 66 00:02:54,086 --> 00:02:57,612 I assumed him to be a judicial officer of good standing 67 00:02:57,612 --> 00:03:01,659 and certainly warranted the respect of the community. 68 00:03:01,659 --> 00:03:05,489 A number of us were concerned for Judge Weller. 69 00:03:05,489 --> 00:03:08,449 This person was targeting the family court system. 70 00:03:08,449 --> 00:03:12,235 I had great concern about who was next on the list. 71 00:03:12,235 --> 00:03:15,195 As word of an active shooter spread through Reno, 72 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:17,022 residents quickly tried to account 73 00:03:17,022 --> 00:03:20,069 for their loved ones. 74 00:03:20,069 --> 00:03:25,640 On June 12, 2006, Charla Mack, my best friend, 75 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:28,164 she was supposed to drop her daughter, Erika, off 76 00:03:28,164 --> 00:03:29,644 at her husband Darren's house 77 00:03:29,644 --> 00:03:31,254 and then come over to my house. 78 00:03:31,254 --> 00:03:34,605 And then she wasn't at my house. 79 00:03:34,605 --> 00:03:36,607 I knew something was wrong. 80 00:03:40,655 --> 00:03:43,266 Charla and I were stay-at-home moms together. 81 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:45,268 She was mischievous. 82 00:03:45,268 --> 00:03:47,444 She loved a good little prank. 83 00:03:47,444 --> 00:03:50,055 She was a hard worker. 84 00:03:50,055 --> 00:03:52,536 She was stubborn. 85 00:03:52,536 --> 00:03:55,496 She had a shirt that said, 86 00:03:55,496 --> 00:03:57,411 "You laugh at me because I'm different. 87 00:03:57,411 --> 00:03:59,848 I laugh at you because you're all the same." 88 00:03:59,848 --> 00:04:03,678 And that was really kind of true to her nature. 89 00:04:03,678 --> 00:04:06,333 She didn't apologize for who she was. 90 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:08,248 And what you saw was what you got. 91 00:04:12,513 --> 00:04:15,516 I was sitting in my house on the couch, 92 00:04:15,516 --> 00:04:18,562 and I got a phone call from a friend. 93 00:04:18,562 --> 00:04:22,044 And she said, "There's this stuff all on the news. 94 00:04:22,044 --> 00:04:24,612 "There's a judge that has been shot downtown. 95 00:04:24,612 --> 00:04:26,614 "Something's going on. 96 00:04:26,614 --> 00:04:28,877 This is all so crazy." 97 00:04:28,877 --> 00:04:33,098 When I heard the news about the judge being shot, 98 00:04:33,098 --> 00:04:36,450 Charla was supposed to be at my house, and she wasn't. 99 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:40,932 I said, "Well, has anyone contacted Charla?" 100 00:04:40,932 --> 00:04:44,240 And my friend said, "I've been calling, 101 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,504 but she's not picking up." 102 00:04:47,504 --> 00:04:50,812 I was very concerned about what might happen next. 103 00:04:52,988 --> 00:04:56,905 News traveled very quickly that a judge had been shot. 104 00:04:56,905 --> 00:04:59,081 Police department was flooded with information. 105 00:04:59,081 --> 00:05:01,736 But one of the things that came to the forefront 106 00:05:01,736 --> 00:05:04,739 of our attention was the call from an individual 107 00:05:04,739 --> 00:05:07,045 by the name of Dan Osborne, 108 00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:10,092 who had called 911. 109 00:05:10,092 --> 00:05:14,314 That morning, Dan Osborne was at his friend 110 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:17,317 Darren Mack's residence in Fleur de Lis. 111 00:05:24,933 --> 00:05:26,195 Mr. Osborne was 112 00:05:26,195 --> 00:05:27,936 a high school friend of Darren Mack's. 113 00:05:27,936 --> 00:05:31,635 Mr. Osborne was in the process of establishing an apartment 114 00:05:31,635 --> 00:05:34,421 for himself in Reno but during the interim time 115 00:05:34,421 --> 00:05:36,640 had been living with Darren Mack. 116 00:05:37,989 --> 00:05:39,382 Darren Mack was very well known 117 00:05:39,382 --> 00:05:40,601 in the community of Reno. 118 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:42,994 His family had long been established 119 00:05:42,994 --> 00:05:44,344 as business owners. 120 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:45,997 They were very good to the community. 121 00:05:45,997 --> 00:05:47,390 They were a philanthropists. 122 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:50,306 He owned 51% of the Palace Jewelry and Loan. 123 00:05:50,306 --> 00:05:51,786 You owe it to yourself 124 00:05:51,786 --> 00:05:54,310 to shop Palace Jewelry and Loan. 125 00:05:56,443 --> 00:05:58,532 It was one of the largest pawn shops, 126 00:05:58,532 --> 00:06:01,012 jewelry stores in downtown Reno. 127 00:06:01,012 --> 00:06:03,580 So that business generated quite a bit of income 128 00:06:03,580 --> 00:06:06,278 for the Mack family. 129 00:06:06,278 --> 00:06:10,326 Darren Mack became obsessed with bodybuilding. 130 00:06:10,326 --> 00:06:11,675 When he began bodybuilding, 131 00:06:11,675 --> 00:06:14,069 he took that to the extreme to the point 132 00:06:14,069 --> 00:06:16,724 where he wanted to compete at the Mr. Nevada competition 133 00:06:16,724 --> 00:06:20,989 and ultimately succeeded in that competition. 134 00:06:20,989 --> 00:06:25,646 Mr. Osborne said Mr. Mack's estranged wife, Charla Mack, 135 00:06:25,646 --> 00:06:27,648 had shown up to drop off their child, 136 00:06:27,648 --> 00:06:29,824 their daughter named Erika, 137 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:31,826 that Dan Osborne went upstairs 138 00:06:31,826 --> 00:06:33,871 to watch television with the child. 139 00:06:35,830 --> 00:06:39,790 Mr. Osborne described hearing his dog, 140 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:42,314 in a very agitated state, barking. 141 00:06:43,838 --> 00:06:46,797 And then Darren Mack walked through the living area 142 00:06:46,797 --> 00:06:48,495 of the house very quickly 143 00:06:48,495 --> 00:06:52,455 with a towel draped over his hand. 144 00:06:52,455 --> 00:06:56,416 And moments later, his dog ran into the home 145 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:58,679 covered in blood. 146 00:06:58,679 --> 00:07:00,507 He examined the animal for injuries. 147 00:07:00,507 --> 00:07:02,291 There were none. 148 00:07:02,291 --> 00:07:05,250 He was concerned for Charla's welfare 149 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:06,730 and his own welfare 150 00:07:06,730 --> 00:07:08,906 and the welfare of the child as well. 151 00:07:08,906 --> 00:07:12,475 So he collected Erika, and they left immediately. 152 00:07:14,782 --> 00:07:16,871 As he thought about the circumstances 153 00:07:16,871 --> 00:07:19,526 that he had observed at Darren's house 154 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:21,615 and that a judge had been shot 155 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:26,271 across town, he quickly became concerned. 156 00:07:26,271 --> 00:07:28,926 Investigators questioned if a violent act 157 00:07:28,926 --> 00:07:31,233 at the Mack residence could have escalated 158 00:07:31,233 --> 00:07:33,061 to the shooting downtown. 159 00:07:33,061 --> 00:07:36,238 They were unnerved by the next chilling detail. 160 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:39,502 Mr. Mack had been actively practicing 161 00:07:39,502 --> 00:07:42,418 or training at distance rifle shooting. 162 00:07:45,073 --> 00:07:48,511 I got on the radio with my partner, Detective Chalmers, 163 00:07:48,511 --> 00:07:50,774 who was involved in the activities downtown, 164 00:07:50,774 --> 00:07:53,037 and he shared my concern. 165 00:07:53,037 --> 00:07:55,736 Detective Jenkins and I would frequently investigate crimes 166 00:07:55,736 --> 00:07:58,260 together, and he taught me a great amount 167 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:01,045 about investigating homicides. 168 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:03,178 Detective Jenkins called me and asked me 169 00:08:03,178 --> 00:08:05,485 to meet him at Darren Mack's residence 170 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:08,400 at the Fleur de Lis townhomes. 171 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,925 As soon as we pulled up in front of the townhome, 172 00:08:10,925 --> 00:08:13,014 we knocked at the door and got no answer. 173 00:08:14,363 --> 00:08:17,105 When we walked to the front of the residence 174 00:08:17,105 --> 00:08:20,108 in front of the driveway, our attention was drawn 175 00:08:20,108 --> 00:08:22,632 to what appeared to be 176 00:08:22,632 --> 00:08:26,288 substantial vertical blood droplets 177 00:08:26,288 --> 00:08:28,595 just outside the closed garage door 178 00:08:28,595 --> 00:08:31,598 of Mr. Mack's residence. 179 00:08:31,598 --> 00:08:35,515 Mr. Osborne, he told me that he knew the code 180 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:37,299 for the garage door opener. 181 00:08:37,299 --> 00:08:38,779 He entered the code. 182 00:08:38,779 --> 00:08:42,043 The garage door started to slowly open. 183 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:46,003 And almost instantaneously, we were able to see 184 00:08:46,003 --> 00:08:49,920 the motionless body of Charla Mack 185 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,142 lying in a large congealed pool of blood. 186 00:08:54,142 --> 00:08:56,797 Detective Jenkins was able to reach the body 187 00:08:56,797 --> 00:08:58,102 and check for signs of life, 188 00:08:58,102 --> 00:08:59,843 which, unfortunately, there were none. 189 00:09:02,977 --> 00:09:05,849 One item appeared to be a to-do list. 190 00:09:05,849 --> 00:09:08,983 He was afraid of what she was going to do to him. 191 00:09:08,983 --> 00:09:12,726 There was an exhaustive manhunt. 192 00:09:12,726 --> 00:09:14,902 It became about money and winning, 193 00:09:14,902 --> 00:09:16,164 and this was a war. 194 00:09:25,695 --> 00:09:27,131 There's this stuff all on the news. 195 00:09:27,131 --> 00:09:28,916 There's a body at Fleur de Lis. 196 00:09:28,916 --> 00:09:31,440 The body's a woman. 197 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,097 I got back in my car to go to Darren's house and-- 198 00:09:36,097 --> 00:09:40,536 and find out what was going on when I got a phone call. 199 00:09:40,536 --> 00:09:43,408 I had a friend on the SWAT team. 200 00:09:43,408 --> 00:09:46,803 And he said, "It's Charla." 201 00:09:49,937 --> 00:09:51,982 I remember standing in my doorway 202 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:54,202 just feeling like my knees were going to give out. 203 00:09:57,466 --> 00:09:59,642 I just wish so badly that I would have 204 00:09:59,642 --> 00:10:01,078 been with her that morning, 205 00:10:01,078 --> 00:10:02,689 that I could have died for her. 206 00:10:08,956 --> 00:10:10,784 I don't know-- I don't understand 207 00:10:10,784 --> 00:10:13,830 why I got to live and she died, you know? 208 00:10:13,830 --> 00:10:17,225 A parent shouldn't outlive their child ever. 209 00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:23,231 We located seven distinct stab wounds 210 00:10:23,231 --> 00:10:25,668 to her body, the most severe being 211 00:10:25,668 --> 00:10:29,367 on the left side of her neck that severed her trachea. 212 00:10:29,367 --> 00:10:31,543 As chatter continued on the police scanner 213 00:10:31,543 --> 00:10:33,937 in the search for the shooter of Judge Weller, 214 00:10:33,937 --> 00:10:36,984 detectives pushed into this new crime scene, 215 00:10:36,984 --> 00:10:41,118 questioning how the two attacks could be related. 216 00:10:41,118 --> 00:10:45,819 In Darren Mack's closet was the empty sheath 217 00:10:45,819 --> 00:10:49,910 for a concealable double-edged knife. 218 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:52,129 We believed that that instrument 219 00:10:52,129 --> 00:10:54,523 was likely the murder weapon. 220 00:10:54,523 --> 00:11:00,050 We located a rental agreement for a 2006 Ford Explorer. 221 00:11:00,050 --> 00:11:02,662 And we found ...243-caliber ammunition 222 00:11:02,662 --> 00:11:04,315 strewn about the home. 223 00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:06,230 One item that stood out 224 00:11:06,230 --> 00:11:08,232 were what appeared to be some handwritten notes 225 00:11:08,232 --> 00:11:10,887 often referred to as a to-do list. 226 00:11:10,887 --> 00:11:13,411 There's some specific references to vehicles. 227 00:11:13,411 --> 00:11:16,980 It says, "Put her vehicle in the garage" 228 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:18,939 and then "parking garage." 229 00:11:21,376 --> 00:11:24,205 And then, finally, "End problem." 230 00:11:28,731 --> 00:11:30,777 From an evidentiary standpoint, 231 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:32,822 it seemed that there was, in fact, 232 00:11:32,822 --> 00:11:35,564 a nexus between Charla's murder 233 00:11:35,564 --> 00:11:36,913 and the shooting of Judge Weller. 234 00:11:36,913 --> 00:11:39,046 Investigators needed to know 235 00:11:39,046 --> 00:11:40,961 how the shootings were connected 236 00:11:40,961 --> 00:11:42,876 and rushed to speak to Judge Weller 237 00:11:42,876 --> 00:11:45,400 as he struggled in critical condition. 238 00:11:53,713 --> 00:11:55,976 My name is Charles Weller. 239 00:11:55,976 --> 00:11:57,847 I was in my chambers 240 00:11:57,847 --> 00:12:00,894 when the window in my office shattered. 241 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:06,116 I was shot here. 242 00:12:06,116 --> 00:12:08,815 And I lay in a hallway bleeding 243 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:11,861 as deputies administered first aid. 244 00:12:11,861 --> 00:12:13,950 It was terrible. 245 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,085 We were aided tremendously by the fact 246 00:12:18,085 --> 00:12:20,043 that, although seriously injured, 247 00:12:20,043 --> 00:12:22,916 Judge Weller was able to provide information 248 00:12:22,916 --> 00:12:26,006 almost immediately to law enforcement 249 00:12:26,006 --> 00:12:28,269 whether or not he knew Darren Mack. 250 00:12:28,269 --> 00:12:31,446 At that time, more damning evidence 251 00:12:31,446 --> 00:12:35,058 of Mr. Mack's involvement came to light. 252 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:38,496 I was the judge to whom 253 00:12:38,496 --> 00:12:42,283 the Mack divorce case was assigned. 254 00:12:42,283 --> 00:12:45,939 This is the case of Charla Mack versus Darren Mack. 255 00:12:45,939 --> 00:12:48,898 The information from Judge Weller 256 00:12:48,898 --> 00:12:50,552 was that this was 257 00:12:50,552 --> 00:12:54,643 a very acrimonious divorce proceeding. 258 00:12:54,643 --> 00:12:57,080 It became about money and winning. 259 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,301 That's not people that are trying to resolve something. 260 00:13:00,301 --> 00:13:01,955 Those are people that are battling. 261 00:13:01,955 --> 00:13:03,826 And this was a war. 262 00:13:07,787 --> 00:13:10,659 I had never seen him so happy, 263 00:13:10,659 --> 00:13:14,881 and Charla equally seemed to be in love with Darren. 264 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:17,884 They would always go on big trips and vacations, 265 00:13:17,884 --> 00:13:19,842 just a lot of privileges of wealth. 266 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:25,500 But things start unraveling, none of that really matters. 267 00:13:29,286 --> 00:13:31,201 It really upset her that he'd want to stay out 268 00:13:31,201 --> 00:13:32,463 till, like, 4:00 in the morning, 269 00:13:32,463 --> 00:13:34,901 wanting to go out to strip clubs. 270 00:13:34,901 --> 00:13:37,860 And so it was just drama, drama, drama. 271 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:41,864 After ten years of marriage, Charla Mack filed for divorce, 272 00:13:41,864 --> 00:13:43,692 and the couple separated 273 00:13:43,692 --> 00:13:47,478 as Darren moved into his own townhome. 274 00:13:47,478 --> 00:13:50,742 During the divorce, it was ugly. 275 00:13:50,742 --> 00:13:52,396 My client is broke. 276 00:13:52,396 --> 00:13:54,834 She's been--finances have been used against her 277 00:13:54,834 --> 00:13:56,357 for over a year now. 278 00:13:56,357 --> 00:13:58,707 She's had to borrow 36,000 just to survive. 279 00:13:58,707 --> 00:14:02,189 He lies over and over and over again on this thing. 280 00:14:02,189 --> 00:14:05,105 He gets so angry and so revved up 281 00:14:05,105 --> 00:14:07,020 that I just don't feel comfortable right now. 282 00:14:09,022 --> 00:14:11,546 I regret being forced to make a decision here. 283 00:14:11,546 --> 00:14:14,027 I can only pick one side or the other, 284 00:14:14,027 --> 00:14:16,116 and one of you has to lose. 285 00:14:16,116 --> 00:14:19,554 And so here goes. 286 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:23,036 Judge Weller ordered Mr. Mack to pay, 287 00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:25,429 in total, almost $1 million. 288 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:29,912 That included a lump sum of over $400,000 289 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:32,480 that Charla was to purchase a home and a car with, 290 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,309 and then there was alimony support on top of that 291 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:37,441 in excess of $10,000 a month. 292 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:43,752 He was used to being successful and powerful 293 00:14:43,752 --> 00:14:45,188 and in control. 294 00:14:45,188 --> 00:14:49,105 And in this situation, he was none of those things. 295 00:14:49,105 --> 00:14:51,412 I was informed by someone I knew 296 00:14:51,412 --> 00:14:53,762 in a fathers' rights organization 297 00:14:53,762 --> 00:14:57,940 that Darren Mack was posting terrible allegations about me 298 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:59,637 and about family court. 299 00:14:59,637 --> 00:15:05,513 Judge Weller started wielding his iron mallet 300 00:15:05,513 --> 00:15:07,994 and started threatening me with jail. 301 00:15:07,994 --> 00:15:10,431 There's many, many, many like myself 302 00:15:10,431 --> 00:15:14,435 that have been fallen prey to his tyranny 303 00:15:14,435 --> 00:15:17,090 and his abuse. 304 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:19,222 It made me feel threatened. 305 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:23,183 When I became a family court judge, 306 00:15:23,183 --> 00:15:26,273 I wanted parties to feel as comfortable as possible. 307 00:15:26,273 --> 00:15:29,667 And so with my first meeting with litigants, 308 00:15:29,667 --> 00:15:34,324 I held that meeting in chambers rather than the courtroom. 309 00:15:34,324 --> 00:15:38,807 As a result, Mr. Mack knew where my chambers were. 310 00:15:44,204 --> 00:15:45,814 Darren had called 311 00:15:45,814 --> 00:15:47,685 days before he was supposed to write her a big check. 312 00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:49,296 He asked to talk to her 313 00:15:49,296 --> 00:15:52,647 when she was dropping off Erika. 314 00:15:52,647 --> 00:15:54,954 She didn't understand because they'd already been 315 00:15:54,954 --> 00:15:55,998 to court with Judge Weller. 316 00:15:55,998 --> 00:15:57,826 Everything was settled. 317 00:15:57,826 --> 00:15:59,567 Darren begged her. 318 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:01,917 He said, you know, "You've got to come. 319 00:16:01,917 --> 00:16:02,962 "It's really important. 320 00:16:02,962 --> 00:16:04,833 I've got to talk to you." 321 00:16:04,833 --> 00:16:06,052 They presented to me 322 00:16:06,052 --> 00:16:09,490 that their interactions were dangerous. 323 00:16:09,490 --> 00:16:11,709 And so I ordered that when they made 324 00:16:11,709 --> 00:16:14,364 their weekly exchanges, 325 00:16:14,364 --> 00:16:16,888 the person dropping off the child 326 00:16:16,888 --> 00:16:18,325 would stay in the car 327 00:16:18,325 --> 00:16:22,982 while the child walked from car to home. 328 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:27,203 I issued that order so that the parties would be safe. 329 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:31,338 She said, "I don't know what he really wants, 330 00:16:31,338 --> 00:16:33,818 "and I am scared to death to do it. 331 00:16:33,818 --> 00:16:36,734 I just have a bad feeling." 332 00:16:38,127 --> 00:16:40,260 But she did it. 333 00:16:42,044 --> 00:16:45,352 I really believe that money was the main issue. 334 00:16:45,352 --> 00:16:49,182 Mr. Mack really did not want to lose his money. 335 00:16:49,182 --> 00:16:51,010 He really did not want to give it to Charla. 336 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:54,709 Judge Weller was that vehicle for Charla Mack 337 00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:57,103 to receive the money from Darren Mack, 338 00:16:57,103 --> 00:17:02,499 and he held that Judge Weller personally and as the system 339 00:17:02,499 --> 00:17:06,851 was responsible for that loss of finance. 340 00:17:06,851 --> 00:17:08,897 Included in the ammunition that we located 341 00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:11,291 in Mr. Mack's residence matched the caliber 342 00:17:11,291 --> 00:17:13,728 of the projectile that struck Judge Weller. 343 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:20,604 So about 2:00 in the morning, 344 00:17:20,604 --> 00:17:23,390 an arrest warrant was authorized for Darren Mack 345 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:25,305 for the murder of Charla Mack. 346 00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:29,787 He was on the loose, so I was concerned. 347 00:17:29,787 --> 00:17:31,833 Normal life stopped. 348 00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:35,619 And local law enforcement provided security 349 00:17:35,619 --> 00:17:39,145 at the hospital for me and my family. 350 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:44,454 We had good, strong evidence that his cell phone had been 351 00:17:44,454 --> 00:17:48,197 turned on and was pinging onto Interstate 80 352 00:17:48,197 --> 00:17:49,764 and westbound out of Reno 353 00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:52,506 before we lost contact with it. 354 00:17:52,506 --> 00:17:55,204 So the indication was that Mack had, 355 00:17:55,204 --> 00:17:57,554 in fact, fled to California. 356 00:17:57,554 --> 00:18:01,819 And past that, we had no idea where he might have gone. 357 00:18:03,343 --> 00:18:07,129 He had escaped. 358 00:18:12,961 --> 00:18:14,919 Darren Mack was the sole suspect 359 00:18:14,919 --> 00:18:16,486 in the shooting of Judge Weller 360 00:18:16,486 --> 00:18:19,185 and the murder of his estranged wife, Charla. 361 00:18:19,185 --> 00:18:22,057 But no one could find him. 362 00:18:22,057 --> 00:18:24,799 I wanted to believe that he didn't do this, 363 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:27,367 that there was some reasonable explanation. 364 00:18:27,367 --> 00:18:29,804 But he disappeared and was at large. 365 00:18:31,371 --> 00:18:32,807 After the shooting, 366 00:18:32,807 --> 00:18:34,330 there was 367 00:18:34,330 --> 00:18:35,592 an exhaustive manhunt 368 00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:37,942 involving local, state, 369 00:18:37,942 --> 00:18:41,424 federal law enforcement agencies to locate Mr. Mack. 370 00:18:43,165 --> 00:18:45,515 The media was covering the attack in Reno, 371 00:18:45,515 --> 00:18:46,908 and his picture was included. 372 00:18:48,605 --> 00:18:51,173 Darren Mack, he's 45 years old, 5'11", 373 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:52,479 close to 200 pounds, 374 00:18:52,479 --> 00:18:54,916 driving a silver 2006 Ford Explorer. 375 00:18:54,916 --> 00:18:59,573 If you have seen Mack or his car, call the police. 376 00:18:59,573 --> 00:19:02,967 We received a telephone call from a ticket agent 377 00:19:02,967 --> 00:19:04,578 at the Sacramento airport. 378 00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:07,015 Mr. Mack had been there at her counter. 379 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:09,060 And when she asked for identification, 380 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:12,673 he refused and left without getting a ticket. 381 00:19:12,673 --> 00:19:14,370 Exhaustive efforts were made to search 382 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:16,242 the Sacramento airport. 383 00:19:16,242 --> 00:19:21,769 It was likely that he had left the airport in his car. 384 00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:25,555 It was on the news all the time. 385 00:19:25,555 --> 00:19:27,383 Nobody knew where he was. 386 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:29,385 It had all of the trappings 387 00:19:29,385 --> 00:19:32,562 that made it attractive for the national 388 00:19:32,562 --> 00:19:35,086 and even the international media. 389 00:19:35,086 --> 00:19:37,306 It was "Dateline" and "48 Hours" 390 00:19:37,306 --> 00:19:39,308 and in the news and the newspaper. 391 00:19:39,308 --> 00:19:42,659 It was constant. 392 00:19:42,659 --> 00:19:45,401 While investigators searched for Darren Mack, 393 00:19:45,401 --> 00:19:48,752 his eight-year-old daughter, Erika, was placed in the care 394 00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:52,234 of Darren's mother, Joan. 395 00:19:52,234 --> 00:19:54,105 His mother, Joan, she'd already gotten 396 00:19:54,105 --> 00:19:56,107 temporary custody by social services. 397 00:19:56,107 --> 00:20:00,155 And so I was terrified that he would sneak in 398 00:20:00,155 --> 00:20:03,245 and try to grab Erika. 399 00:20:03,245 --> 00:20:06,857 As long as Mr. Mack remained a fugitive, 400 00:20:06,857 --> 00:20:09,686 there was reasonable apprehension 401 00:20:09,686 --> 00:20:12,515 that things might not end well, 402 00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:14,909 that Mr. Mack would use violence 403 00:20:14,909 --> 00:20:16,650 to avoid responsibility, 404 00:20:16,650 --> 00:20:19,435 to perhaps harm himself. 405 00:20:19,435 --> 00:20:21,307 I was afraid for his life. 406 00:20:21,307 --> 00:20:24,048 I wanted him to come back and be responsible 407 00:20:24,048 --> 00:20:26,616 because the Darren I knew would be responsible. 408 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:34,407 So we enlisted members of the community, 409 00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:37,627 friends of Mr. Mack's, to make public appeals 410 00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:41,109 asking Mr. Mack to surrender himself. 411 00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:43,851 And I'm begging him that if he hears this, 412 00:20:43,851 --> 00:20:48,159 if he's listening to this, to please contact us. 413 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:49,465 He knows he could trust us. 414 00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:51,467 We will do anything to help him. 415 00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:53,034 We want to save his life. 416 00:20:54,862 --> 00:20:56,907 We were inundated with tips. 417 00:20:56,907 --> 00:21:00,476 But one tip in specific really stood out to us was, 418 00:21:00,476 --> 00:21:03,131 an airline pilot had flown from Mexico 419 00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:06,221 back to the United States, seen the media coverage, 420 00:21:06,221 --> 00:21:08,179 and felt confident he had seen Mr. Mack 421 00:21:08,179 --> 00:21:11,008 at a resort in Mexico. 422 00:21:11,008 --> 00:21:13,272 The FBI and Mexican authorities 423 00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:16,013 worked in connection to establish checkpoints 424 00:21:16,013 --> 00:21:18,581 in and around Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, 425 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:21,584 searching hotels and buses in an attempt 426 00:21:21,584 --> 00:21:24,326 to track down Darren Mack. 427 00:21:24,326 --> 00:21:28,069 He must have felt the walls closing in around him. 428 00:21:32,943 --> 00:21:35,859 Darren made telephone communications 429 00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:38,862 with the Washoe County district attorney at the time. 430 00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:42,475 He wanted, in my opinion, to try and sweeten the deal, 431 00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:44,564 if you will, for his return. 432 00:21:46,217 --> 00:21:48,872 Included in Mr. Mack's demands to surrender, 433 00:21:48,872 --> 00:21:50,657 he demanded to speak to the media 434 00:21:50,657 --> 00:21:52,136 and talk about what he perceived 435 00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:54,225 were the injustices of the family court system 436 00:21:54,225 --> 00:21:55,444 and Judge Weller. 437 00:21:55,444 --> 00:21:57,881 He also wanted to have a jail cell 438 00:21:57,881 --> 00:22:01,668 with certain books and access to the internet. 439 00:22:01,668 --> 00:22:04,758 I think he was trying to use his status 440 00:22:04,758 --> 00:22:09,023 as a fugitive to give him a greater audience. 441 00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:10,764 He also wanted the death penalty. 442 00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:13,332 I believe that he saw himself as a martyr 443 00:22:13,332 --> 00:22:17,248 for the fathers who are in the family court system. 444 00:22:17,248 --> 00:22:19,903 On June 21, 2006, 445 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:22,297 after nearly ten days on the run, 446 00:22:22,297 --> 00:22:24,691 Darren Mack agreed to surrender himself 447 00:22:24,691 --> 00:22:26,562 to authorities at the consulate 448 00:22:26,562 --> 00:22:29,217 at Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. 449 00:22:29,217 --> 00:22:32,655 Even though he claimed that he wanted to turn himself in, 450 00:22:32,655 --> 00:22:35,441 set up a turnover, Mr. Mack didn't show. 451 00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,575 He failed to surrender as promised. 452 00:22:39,575 --> 00:22:42,230 Desperate people sometimes say things 453 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:43,927 and then change their mind. 454 00:22:43,927 --> 00:22:45,538 If he does call me back again, 455 00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:46,626 we're going to have a little discussion 456 00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:47,757 about his credibility 457 00:22:47,757 --> 00:22:49,280 and just where we go from there. 458 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:56,200 It was so stressful for all those involved. 459 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,246 There were three families-- his family 460 00:22:58,246 --> 00:23:00,988 and Charla's family and Judge Weller's family-- 461 00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:05,688 who are living this nightmare while all this tactical stuff 462 00:23:05,688 --> 00:23:08,169 was going on in the background 463 00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:12,347 and really couldn't even begin, in my view, to grieve 464 00:23:12,347 --> 00:23:16,133 because of this maelstrom being created to serve Darren Mack. 465 00:23:19,702 --> 00:23:21,922 We're here to provide an update and information 466 00:23:21,922 --> 00:23:24,838 on the arrest of Darren Mack. 467 00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,927 Darren Roy Mack was apprehended 468 00:23:26,927 --> 00:23:28,711 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, 469 00:23:28,711 --> 00:23:31,758 one day after he failed to meet a commitment he made 470 00:23:31,758 --> 00:23:33,847 to the Washoe County district attorney 471 00:23:33,847 --> 00:23:37,720 and to the Reno Police Department to turn himself in. 472 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,809 It had been a very long week and a half. 473 00:23:39,809 --> 00:23:41,724 I literally could not take a shower 474 00:23:41,724 --> 00:23:43,900 without my phone ringing two or three times. 475 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,162 I was very relieved to know 476 00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:46,990 that he was taken into custody. 477 00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:51,821 I was pleased when he was apprehended. 478 00:23:51,821 --> 00:23:56,696 Law enforcement told us that we were free to go home. 479 00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:58,262 I was driving when I found out. 480 00:23:58,262 --> 00:24:01,396 I got a phone call saying, "They got him." 481 00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:03,442 I pulled over. 482 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,008 I pulled over and cried. 483 00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:08,098 It was a lot, a lot of emotion 484 00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:10,492 and a lot of, "So now what do we do? 485 00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:11,928 What comes next?" 486 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,905 Mr. Mack's extradition process was streamlined 487 00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:34,951 by his defense attorneys. 488 00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:38,389 When taken into custody, Darren Mack still had 489 00:24:38,389 --> 00:24:41,523 a substantial amount of money. 490 00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,133 $40,000 in cash. 491 00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:45,005 I remember thinking, Mr. Mack complained 492 00:24:45,005 --> 00:24:46,528 that he didn't have enough money to make 493 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:50,271 temporary support to Charla of $10,000 a month, 494 00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:53,317 and yet, on a moment's notice, put together 40 grand in cash 495 00:24:53,317 --> 00:24:56,712 pretty easily to take it to Mexico. 496 00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:59,280 In addition, Mr. Mack had the benefit 497 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,372 of the finest legal defense in the country. 498 00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:07,549 I mean, he hired two of the preeminent defense attorneys, 499 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:08,985 certainly in the state of Nevada 500 00:25:08,985 --> 00:25:10,944 and probably on the West Coast, 501 00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:13,120 Scott Freeman and David Chesnoff. 502 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,471 I'm sure their fee exceeded a million dollars. 503 00:25:16,471 --> 00:25:20,823 I was most curious to see what the defense was going to be. 504 00:25:28,309 --> 00:25:31,138 Mr. Mack was charged with Charla's murder 505 00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:32,922 and the attempted murder of Judge Weller 506 00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:36,317 and pled not guilty. 507 00:25:36,317 --> 00:25:38,362 I wasn't surprised when he first entered pleas 508 00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:39,494 of not guilty. 509 00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:40,843 I knew, at the outset, he would angle 510 00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,758 for the best deal he could get. 511 00:25:44,499 --> 00:25:47,546 Based on all of the physical evidence, 512 00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:53,639 Mr. Mack's legal representation had very few viable defenses. 513 00:25:54,378 --> 00:25:56,772 We got his shoes that had blood spatter on them 514 00:25:56,772 --> 00:25:58,687 that came back to Charla. 515 00:25:58,687 --> 00:26:01,821 Evidence of his physical presence at the crime scene 516 00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:05,215 was so overwhelming that I don't know 517 00:26:05,215 --> 00:26:07,653 what other options realistically 518 00:26:07,653 --> 00:26:09,916 Mr. Mack had to pursue. 519 00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:14,442 Self-defense is at least a viable legal defense. 520 00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:17,793 It's ludicrous to me. 521 00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:19,534 The only fear that he had of her 522 00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,276 was her taking his money. 523 00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,543 In order to find impartial jurors, 524 00:26:28,543 --> 00:26:30,719 the trial was moved to Las Vegas. 525 00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:36,029 And on October 24, 2007, all eyes were on Darren Mack 526 00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,944 as the state delivered its case 527 00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:39,902 in the murder of Charla Mack 528 00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:42,513 and in the shooting of Judge Weller. 529 00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:44,428 What made the Mack divorce different, 530 00:26:44,428 --> 00:26:47,780 if there was a difference, was the amount of money involved. 531 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:50,260 The prosecution detailed in their opening statement 532 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:55,222 that what motivated this murder was Mr. Mack's displeasure 533 00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:56,702 with the money that he was going to be 534 00:26:56,702 --> 00:27:00,053 forced to pay in the divorce. 535 00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:01,881 One of the main points of contention 536 00:27:01,881 --> 00:27:03,665 during the divorce was Darren Mack's income. 537 00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:06,581 He owned 51% of Palace Jewelry and Loan. 538 00:27:06,581 --> 00:27:08,670 Midway through the divorce, he transferred 539 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,411 ownership back to his mother. 540 00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:15,111 He claimed to be making $44,000 a month prior to the divorce. 541 00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:16,852 And then midway through the divorce, 542 00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:18,593 he filed papers saying he was simply an employee 543 00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:21,422 making a $5,000 a month salary. 544 00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:23,424 Judge Weller could see very clearly 545 00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:25,426 through the games Darren Mack was playing 546 00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:27,384 that he was trying to hide income. 547 00:27:27,384 --> 00:27:29,386 He believed the system was unconstitutional. 548 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:31,432 Judge Weller was being unfair to him. 549 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:34,740 The defendant's frustration and anger grew. 550 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,132 Darren Mack had a problem. 551 00:27:36,132 --> 00:27:38,526 He found a solution to his problem. 552 00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:41,921 Darren Mack ambushed his soon-to-be ex-wife 553 00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:43,226 with a knife. 554 00:27:43,226 --> 00:27:45,881 And her death was neither sudden nor painless. 555 00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,231 It was personal. 556 00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,886 It becomes clear in the opening statements 557 00:27:50,886 --> 00:27:54,673 that the defense is going to run a defense on two paths, 558 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,414 because, remember, there were two crime scenes 559 00:27:57,414 --> 00:27:59,286 and two victims. 560 00:27:59,286 --> 00:28:02,115 To the killing of Charla and in support 561 00:28:02,115 --> 00:28:04,900 of this self-defense theory came a claim 562 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,163 of Charla's violent tendencies, 563 00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:08,730 that she had been physically violent. 564 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:11,690 Darren was not aware of the dark side of Charla 565 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:12,821 prior to marriage. 566 00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:14,736 He also was not aware of her ability 567 00:28:14,736 --> 00:28:16,433 to be physically violent 568 00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:19,001 and physically abusive towards Darren. 569 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:23,223 The hardest part was listening 570 00:28:23,223 --> 00:28:25,312 to Darren's defense attorneys 571 00:28:25,312 --> 00:28:28,271 talk about how horrible Charla was. 572 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:30,143 You know, I mean, she wasn't an angel, 573 00:28:30,143 --> 00:28:33,929 but she definitely wasn't what they depicted her to be. 574 00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,236 Mr. Mack claimed that he had been 575 00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:38,586 the victim of many incidents as a domestic battery, 576 00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:40,762 and especially in one incident that Charla Mack, 577 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,198 in a fit of rage, had kicked him 578 00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:45,767 and broken his finger at a karate practice. 579 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:47,726 Darren and Charla were very passionate. 580 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:49,510 They loved and fought. 581 00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:53,644 And nobody pushes your buttons like your spouse. 582 00:28:53,644 --> 00:28:55,821 And she was not immune to that. 583 00:28:55,821 --> 00:28:57,866 She gave as good as she got. 584 00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,130 She would call me and tell me how-- 585 00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:03,829 the different ways that she talked back to him, 586 00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:05,613 mocking him at times. 587 00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:08,398 And I think that she just infuriated him. 588 00:29:10,357 --> 00:29:12,620 During the investigation, we learned 589 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:16,276 that Darren Mack had been accused of violence 590 00:29:16,276 --> 00:29:18,887 in their relationship. 591 00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:21,716 Law enforcement was called to the Mack mansion 592 00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:25,198 where both parties alleged domestic abuse. 593 00:29:25,198 --> 00:29:27,853 Charla did call me and tell me he choked her, 594 00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:29,028 and she was really scared. 595 00:29:29,028 --> 00:29:31,552 She was sobbing on the phone. 596 00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:33,423 Charla Mack was a very small woman. 597 00:29:33,423 --> 00:29:35,948 Darren Mack was a large bodybuilding male. 598 00:29:35,948 --> 00:29:39,038 But he claimed that Charla Mack had been the primary aggressor 599 00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:41,127 and that he was the victim. 600 00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:42,868 You see, ladies and gentlemen, 601 00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,435 Charla has a pattern of behavior. 602 00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:48,482 Some call it borderline personality disorder. 603 00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:52,007 She could be kind and giving in public. 604 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:54,967 She could be violent and abusive at home. 605 00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:57,447 It was too much for Darren to take. 606 00:29:57,447 --> 00:29:59,232 The defense claimed that Darren started 607 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,147 carrying a gun on his person 608 00:30:01,147 --> 00:30:05,281 when he had interactions with Mrs. Mack. 609 00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:07,370 He was claiming he was afraid 610 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:09,764 of what she was going to do to him. 611 00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:13,028 The defense said that Charla had been so horrific 612 00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,161 that it just wore on Darren 613 00:30:15,161 --> 00:30:17,293 and wore on Darren like a rubber band. 614 00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:21,210 And that Darren had just snapped. 615 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:34,397 This was our Montessori school's auction. 616 00:30:34,397 --> 00:30:36,573 We were a little bit of the Three Musketeers, you know? 617 00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:39,359 And honestly, I felt like we were just getting started. 618 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,404 So I wanted to be at the trial every day. 619 00:30:41,404 --> 00:30:43,363 I know you couldn't go. 620 00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,756 It was quite the event just to sit there every day 621 00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:49,848 and listen to all these things, all these lies, all these-- 622 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,893 Did you hear things that were disturbing 623 00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,068 that you didn't know? 624 00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:54,243 I didn't hear a lot I didn't know, 625 00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:56,942 but I heard a lot I didn't believe. 626 00:30:57,768 --> 00:31:02,295 On October 24, 2007, Darren Mack's attorneys 627 00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:04,079 presented in their opening statements 628 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:05,733 what they claim happened 629 00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:08,997 on the morning of June 12, 2006. 630 00:31:08,997 --> 00:31:11,739 Charla was supposed to bring Erika over at about 9:00, 631 00:31:11,739 --> 00:31:14,916 but Charla also wanted to discuss 632 00:31:14,916 --> 00:31:16,222 settling the divorce. 633 00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:18,267 Darren's attorneys would say 634 00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:20,487 that Darren brought a knife and a gun 635 00:31:20,487 --> 00:31:22,793 to this meeting with Charla. 636 00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:25,579 Darren said she walked up to him 637 00:31:25,579 --> 00:31:28,060 and slapped him across the face and said, 638 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,149 "Darren, give me my money." 639 00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:33,282 "Darren, drop the appeal," says Charla. 640 00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:35,415 'Make your mother pay me. 641 00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:38,592 You know you owe me what I deserve." 642 00:31:38,592 --> 00:31:40,072 As they're having an argument, 643 00:31:40,072 --> 00:31:41,421 she hits him on the head, 644 00:31:41,421 --> 00:31:43,902 causing the gun to fall out of his pants. 645 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:48,950 Charla looks at the gun, pulls the hammer back, 646 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:52,084 smiles, and fires. 647 00:31:52,084 --> 00:31:53,694 But it misfires. 648 00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:56,131 Darren thinks he's been shot. He's not. 649 00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:58,438 Charla starts to cock the hammer again. 650 00:31:58,438 --> 00:32:00,788 Darren knew he was going to die. 651 00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:04,270 So he's forced to stab her to death. 652 00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:07,142 He acted in self-defense. 653 00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,971 But an autopsy was performed on Charla Mack's body, 654 00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:12,713 and she had several defensive injuries-- 655 00:32:12,713 --> 00:32:15,324 a stab wound to her calf, very consistent 656 00:32:15,324 --> 00:32:16,891 with somebody who's on the ground, 657 00:32:16,891 --> 00:32:18,371 kicking at her attacker. 658 00:32:18,371 --> 00:32:20,286 She also had defensive wounds to her hands 659 00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:21,678 and to her forearms as she was trying 660 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:26,683 to parry off those stabbing blows. 661 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:29,512 With the physical evidence on their side, 662 00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:32,820 prosecutors made their case against Darren Mack 663 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,649 for the shooting of Judge Weller. 664 00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:37,999 After he actually followed through 665 00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,305 with killing Charla Mack, 666 00:32:39,305 --> 00:32:40,959 I believe that he fully intended 667 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:46,181 to drive to the parking garage to try to kill Judge Weller. 668 00:32:46,181 --> 00:32:47,487 During the trial, 669 00:32:47,487 --> 00:32:50,490 they showed video footage of Darren 670 00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:54,276 driving a rental car into the parking garage 671 00:32:54,276 --> 00:32:55,843 across from the courthouse. 672 00:32:58,063 --> 00:33:01,805 Behind me is the Mills Lane Justice Center. 673 00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:04,025 The surveillance footage was very important. 674 00:33:04,025 --> 00:33:07,507 Darren Mack arrived here at about 10:42 in the morning. 675 00:33:07,507 --> 00:33:09,683 He obtained a ticket at the gate, 676 00:33:09,683 --> 00:33:12,555 drove up to the fifth floor, and then backed the vehicle in 677 00:33:12,555 --> 00:33:14,993 so the rear of the vehicle was facing 678 00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:16,559 the Mills Lane Justice Center. 679 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,345 At about 11:05 a.m. is when we began getting 680 00:33:19,345 --> 00:33:20,868 reports of the shooting. 681 00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:23,001 And at about 11:06, surveillance cameras show 682 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,090 the rear hatch of the Explorer being closed 683 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,744 and the Explorer leaving the parking garage. 684 00:33:29,224 --> 00:33:30,573 Who fired the bullet? 685 00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:31,922 Well, if there's a common denominator 686 00:33:31,922 --> 00:33:35,187 between Charla Mack and Judge Weller, 687 00:33:35,187 --> 00:33:36,710 it's the defendant, Darren Mack. 688 00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:41,236 The judicial system, the third branch 689 00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:45,980 of the American government, is larger than the interests 690 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,851 of any one individual. 691 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:51,768 And so no violent person, no judge 692 00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:53,292 should ever think that they have 693 00:33:53,292 --> 00:33:55,598 the ability to change the operation 694 00:33:55,598 --> 00:33:57,383 of the judicial system. 695 00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:59,602 We're servants of the judicial system. 696 00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:03,867 There is no defense to the shooting, right? 697 00:34:03,867 --> 00:34:05,173 There's no imminent need. 698 00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:06,870 There's no, "Some other dude did it." 699 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:09,264 There's no other real defense to the shooting 700 00:34:09,264 --> 00:34:11,571 other than he didn't have the intent. 701 00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:13,225 And you get that one of two ways-- 702 00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:16,010 he either didn't formulate or he couldn't formulate it 703 00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:19,013 because he was "temporarily" out of his mind. 704 00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:23,104 At the time of the shooting of Judge Weller, 705 00:34:23,104 --> 00:34:26,412 you will find that Darren Mack was suffering 706 00:34:26,412 --> 00:34:29,415 from delusional disorder. 707 00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:33,810 The defense claimed that he, as a result of the attack 708 00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:38,293 that he faced with Charla Mack, had a moment of insanity 709 00:34:38,293 --> 00:34:41,514 when he went and shot Judge Weller. 710 00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:45,431 Everything is happening basically on automatic pilot, 711 00:34:45,431 --> 00:34:48,564 which is consistent with somebody 712 00:34:48,564 --> 00:34:50,523 suffering from the delusions 713 00:34:50,523 --> 00:34:53,091 that Darren Mack was suffering from 714 00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:57,007 at the time that he went and shot Judge Weller. 715 00:34:58,618 --> 00:35:00,489 I thought his defense was clever 716 00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:03,144 because it would allow them to attack 717 00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:06,887 both, from a self-defense perspective, the murder 718 00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:10,369 and to have a defense to the shooting. 719 00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:12,588 But there was a mountain of evidence, 720 00:35:12,588 --> 00:35:15,939 including a to-do list in the defendant's own hand, 721 00:35:15,939 --> 00:35:19,160 that corroborated the sequence of events that had occurred 722 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,814 on the day of the crimes. 723 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:24,209 So this was a very difficult case to defend. 724 00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,602 And there is only so much even the best attorneys 725 00:35:26,602 --> 00:35:29,083 in the world can do under our system. 726 00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:35,829 I received a telephone call 727 00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:38,440 that the defense had approached the prosecution 728 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,963 with a possible plea deal. 729 00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:42,705 If we drop the deadly weapon enhancement, 730 00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:47,014 Mr. Mack was willing to plead to first-degree murder, 731 00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:49,495 as well as attempted murder with the use of a deadly weapon 732 00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:53,020 on Judge Weller, which would save Mr. Mack 733 00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:55,675 about 20 years' worth of sentence. 734 00:35:55,675 --> 00:35:58,199 I was gobsmacked Monday morning 735 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,159 when they announced that a deal had been struck 736 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,683 and that he was going to enter a plea of guilty. 737 00:36:03,683 --> 00:36:06,033 I was gobsmacked. 738 00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:09,689 He changed his not guilty plea to a guilty plea 739 00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:13,171 and didn't present any defense in the courtroom. 740 00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:16,391 All right, as to count one, murder of the first degree, 741 00:36:16,391 --> 00:36:18,219 it's my understanding, Mr. Mack, 742 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,831 that on June 12th of 2006, 743 00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:24,704 you willfully, feloniously, and without authority of law 744 00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:27,141 stabbed into the body of Charla Mack, 745 00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,229 causing her death. 746 00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:29,578 Is that correct? - That's correct. 747 00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:32,059 And as to count two, it's my understanding 748 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:34,714 that willfully, unlawfully, and without authority of law, 749 00:36:34,714 --> 00:36:36,585 you shot Judge Weller with a firearm. 750 00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:38,021 That's correct. 751 00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:41,938 I was just in shock. 752 00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:46,769 He had gone from being this reasonable, calm, 753 00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:48,902 collected, successful person 754 00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:52,949 to someone who would kill somebody. 755 00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:55,387 Unfortunately, that November 5th day 756 00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:57,084 was not the end of the Mack trial. 757 00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:01,480 Fairly soon after he struck that plea deal, 758 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,570 he fired Mr. Chesnoff and Mr. Freeman. 759 00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:06,920 He claimed his defense attorneys had 760 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,792 overborne his will, basically pestered him, 761 00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:13,405 and he was unable to freely, knowingly, and intelligently 762 00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:14,971 enter a plea of guilty. 763 00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:16,799 Hired a new attorney, William Routsis, 764 00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:18,975 and sought to withdraw his plea. 765 00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:20,716 I really think that he's narcissistic 766 00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:23,980 and thinks he's smarter than Freeman and Chesnoff. 767 00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:28,289 He's a little bit delusional about how life is. 768 00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:30,813 He reminds me of a little kid having a tantrum. 769 00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:32,598 He doesn't like the outcome. 770 00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:34,295 "Fire all those people. 771 00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:36,036 We're going to try again." 772 00:37:36,036 --> 00:37:39,605 And he wanted to get on the stand 773 00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:42,129 to tell the world his story. 774 00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:44,784 I've remained quiet through this whole thing, 775 00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:47,265 and now I would like to come forward and speak 776 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,570 because there's some very important things 777 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:51,138 I would like to share. 778 00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:52,618 I have much at stake. 779 00:37:57,927 --> 00:38:02,715 On January 16, 2008, Darren Mack took the stand 780 00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:04,499 to decide whether he would be allowed 781 00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:06,719 to withdraw his guilty plea. 782 00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:11,114 Please raise your right hand. 783 00:38:16,729 --> 00:38:18,774 Thank you. Please have a seat. 784 00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:20,559 It's generally not a good idea 785 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,865 for a guilty defendant to take the stand. 786 00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:24,867 But he felt he needed to make 787 00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:26,565 some kind of statement to the court. 788 00:38:26,565 --> 00:38:30,830 Charla had threatened my life numerous, numerous times, 789 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:32,397 as well as attacking me. 790 00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,137 What happened was--is, 791 00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:35,704 after she was trying to kill me, 792 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:38,228 we both went to the ground. 793 00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:40,753 She then got stabbed. 794 00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:42,755 And you got to understand the state of mind. 795 00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:45,366 It was an instinct. 796 00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:46,715 But the thing you don't-- 797 00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:48,848 a lot of people don't recognize-- 798 00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:51,590 I lost a wife too. 799 00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:54,375 And even though that this happened, 800 00:38:54,375 --> 00:38:55,855 I still love Charla. 801 00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:59,075 I just couldn't live with her, and I was afraid of her. 802 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:03,384 Mr. Mack's narcissistic mindset really showed through 803 00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:05,908 in that hearing when he took the stand 804 00:39:05,908 --> 00:39:07,475 and talked about being the victim. 805 00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:09,912 It was just unfathomable to me 806 00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,351 to listen to his perceptions of the process. 807 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,268 At the conclusion of that hearing, 808 00:39:18,268 --> 00:39:20,662 Judge Herndon ruled that Mr. Mack 809 00:39:20,662 --> 00:39:23,665 knowingly and voluntarily entered his plea 810 00:39:23,665 --> 00:39:28,191 and denied his motion to withdraw his guilty plea. 811 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,069 It's time set for the court to address 812 00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:38,071 the sentencing of Mr. Mack. 813 00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:40,508 This case, in my mind, obviously cries out 814 00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:42,162 for incarceration, and the defendant 815 00:39:42,162 --> 00:39:46,122 is going to be incarcerated for a very long time. 816 00:39:46,122 --> 00:39:48,429 Mr. Mack was sentenced to the maximum 817 00:39:48,429 --> 00:39:51,606 on first-degree murder of life with the possibility 818 00:39:51,606 --> 00:39:53,303 of parole after 20 years. 819 00:39:53,303 --> 00:39:55,436 That sentence is to be served consecutive 820 00:39:55,436 --> 00:39:57,786 to the attempted murder charge of Judge Weller. 821 00:39:57,786 --> 00:40:00,223 So in total, under Nevada law, 822 00:40:00,223 --> 00:40:04,445 Mr. Mack would have to do a minimum of 36 years 823 00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:06,621 before he could actually walk the streets 824 00:40:06,621 --> 00:40:08,318 as a free man again. 825 00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:14,455 After Judge Herndon gave him the maximum sentence, 826 00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:16,239 Darren was in shackles. 827 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,720 And he's walking by all the people 828 00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,070 that he had known in his life and his children 829 00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:25,945 and his mother, and this is the end of his life 830 00:40:25,945 --> 00:40:27,642 as he'll ever know it. 831 00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:34,214 And it brought me a sense of peace. 832 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:42,875 In addition to the criminal charges, 833 00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:45,704 the estate of Charla Mack initiated 834 00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:48,010 a wrongful death suit in civil court 835 00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,230 against Mr. Mack. 836 00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:54,364 When I say what I do matters to me, 837 00:40:54,364 --> 00:40:55,931 the reason I went to law school 838 00:40:55,931 --> 00:40:58,238 was cases like this. 839 00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:01,850 Really, the theme is that, by killing Charla, 840 00:41:01,850 --> 00:41:04,549 Darren stole what should have been the happiness 841 00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:08,030 and the fairy tale of this child's life from her 842 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:10,076 because he took not only her mother 843 00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:13,471 but, of course, himself by that act. 844 00:41:16,343 --> 00:41:18,519 Ultimately, her estate prevailed, 845 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:23,872 and there was a judgment of approximately $590 million 846 00:41:23,872 --> 00:41:25,874 against Mr. Mack 847 00:41:25,874 --> 00:41:28,747 for the wrongful death of his wife. 848 00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:33,099 I was glad of the reward. 849 00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:34,666 A little girl lost her mother. 850 00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:36,537 She's growing up without parents. 851 00:41:36,537 --> 00:41:39,540 She deserved every penny. 852 00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:41,890 There was also a final order struck 853 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:44,719 between family members related to the care, 854 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,200 custody, and control of Erika. 855 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,595 And the result is that Erika then lived 856 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,684 primarily with Soorya Townley. 857 00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:57,732 This is not a unique story. 858 00:41:57,732 --> 00:42:01,519 This is just a story that I personally knew the people. 859 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:02,781 And it's still tragic. 860 00:42:02,781 --> 00:42:06,349 And it's still heartbreaking. 861 00:42:08,003 --> 00:42:09,570 You think about a lot of us, hopefully, 862 00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:12,486 we'll have the luxury of being surrounded by people 863 00:42:12,486 --> 00:42:13,922 who love us when we die. 864 00:42:13,922 --> 00:42:19,145 And she didn't get that luxury of dying with love. 865 00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:23,062 She died in pain and terror. 866 00:42:23,062 --> 00:42:25,238 And that haunts me. 867 00:42:25,238 --> 00:42:28,633 And it's very, very difficult to let go. 868 00:42:34,247 --> 00:42:36,466 Justice is a very difficult word. 869 00:42:36,466 --> 00:42:40,993 I believe that law and order was served justly. 870 00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:44,562 But I suspect that the Charla Mack family 871 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:47,390 and Judge Weller may not see it that way. 872 00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:50,350 To the Charla Mack family or to Judge Weller, 873 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:53,135 justice would be bringing their loved ones back 874 00:42:53,135 --> 00:42:55,877 and to removing that day from their lives. 875 00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:57,575 The criminal justice system doesn't have 876 00:42:57,575 --> 00:43:00,273 the ability to do that. 877 00:43:00,273 --> 00:43:02,580 I've been a judge for 17 years 878 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:05,887 since this event occurred. 879 00:43:05,887 --> 00:43:08,368 I've raised my children. They're successful. 880 00:43:10,544 --> 00:43:13,242 I try to have as normal a life as I can. 881 00:43:16,681 --> 00:43:18,813 You think you have eternity to be together, 882 00:43:18,813 --> 00:43:20,510 and then you realize, you know... 883 00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:25,603 Hold on to your children. 71052

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