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In the criminal
justice system,
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detectives and prosecutors
face daunting challenges
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when money
is the motive for murder.
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Downtown Reno is
gripped in panic
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after a judge is shot.
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My initial reaction was that
this was a random shooting.
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We walked to the driveway.
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A series
of blood droplets appeared
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outside the garage door.
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After a second attack,
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investigators reveal
a terrifying plot.
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I believe
money was the main issue.
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One item that stood out
appeared to be a to-do list.
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I had great concern about
who was next on the list.
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Officials rush to cage
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an unsuspecting killer
on the loose.
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There were three families
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who were living this nightmare
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while all this tactical stuff
was going on.
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These men and women dedicate
their lives to law and order.
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Most murderers,
quite simply, believe
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that their life is
more important
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than the life of the victim.
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These are
their true stories.
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Doctors treated
Judge Chuck Weller
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for gunshot wounds
to the chest.
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There are multiple
bullet fragments seen,
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with significant bleeding.
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Judge Weller was standing
in his chambers
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when he was shot.
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There was
absolute pandemonium.
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Nobody knew where that shot
originated from,
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and nobody knew how many
more shots would come.
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People were fleeing
from the streets.
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They were hiding.
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People driving
down the street were
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removed from vehicles
and shoved into businesses.
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It was a horribly
frightening experience,
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and people were panicked.
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My initial reaction was that
this was a random shooting,
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that this was a sniper
who had taken a perch
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and was firing
indiscriminately upon people,
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and he happened to have
targeted the judge.
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The bullet had entered
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through Judge Weller's
chamber's windows.
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Part of the fragments
had struck books
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in a bookshelf behind him.
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So we were able to isolate
the trajectory of the shot.
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Right at 12:00,
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there was
a multilevel parking garage
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that looks almost directly
into the judge's chambers.
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The Reno Police Department
isolated and cordoned off
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about a 3 by 5 block area.
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I donned a SWAT vest
and a SWAT helmet.
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I grabbed a rifle.
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And I began to respond
to the area
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where the shot had originated.
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As a team, we began
systematically clearing
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the parking garage
floor by floor.
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While police searched
for the missing gunman,
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investigators tried to uncover
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why a sitting judge would be
a target for murder
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and who was responsible.
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I, during the course
of my career,
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had occasion to meet
Judge Weller several times.
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I assumed him to be a judicial
officer of good standing
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and certainly warranted
the respect of the community.
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A number of us were
concerned for Judge Weller.
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This person was targeting
the family court system.
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I had great concern about
who was next on the list.
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As word of an active
shooter spread through Reno,
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residents quickly tried
to account
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for their loved ones.
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On June 12, 2006,
Charla Mack, my best friend,
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she was supposed to drop
her daughter, Erika, off
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at her husband Darren's house
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and then come over
to my house.
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And then she wasn't
at my house.
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I knew something was wrong.
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Charla and I were
stay-at-home moms together.
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She was mischievous.
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She loved a good little prank.
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She was a hard worker.
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She was stubborn.
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She had a shirt that said,
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"You laugh at me
because I'm different.
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I laugh at you
because you're all the same."
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And that was really
kind of true to her nature.
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She didn't apologize
for who she was.
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And what you saw
was what you got.
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I was sitting in my house
on the couch,
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and I got a phone call
from a friend.
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And she said, "There's this
stuff all on the news.
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"There's a judge that has been
shot downtown.
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"Something's going on.
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This is all so crazy."
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When I heard the news
about the judge being shot,
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Charla was supposed to be
at my house, and she wasn't.
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I said, "Well, has anyone
contacted Charla?"
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And my friend said,
"I've been calling,
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but she's not picking up."
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I was very concerned about
what might happen next.
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News traveled very quickly
that a judge had been shot.
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Police department was
flooded with information.
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But one of the things
that came to the forefront
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of our attention was the call
from an individual
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by the name of Dan Osborne,
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who had called 911.
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That morning, Dan Osborne was
at his friend
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Darren Mack's residence
in Fleur de Lis.
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Mr. Osborne was
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a high school friend
of Darren Mack's.
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Mr. Osborne was in the process
of establishing an apartment
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for himself in Reno
but during the interim time
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had been living
with Darren Mack.
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Darren Mack was
very well known
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in the community of Reno.
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His family had
long been established
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as business owners.
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They were very good
to the community.
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They were a philanthropists.
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He owned 51% of the Palace
Jewelry and Loan.
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You owe it to yourself
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to shop Palace Jewelry
and Loan.
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It was one
of the largest pawn shops,
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jewelry stores
in downtown Reno.
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So that business generated
quite a bit of income
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for the Mack family.
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Darren Mack became
obsessed with bodybuilding.
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When he began bodybuilding,
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he took that to the extreme
to the point
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where he wanted to compete
at the Mr. Nevada competition
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and ultimately succeeded
in that competition.
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Mr. Osborne said Mr. Mack's
estranged wife, Charla Mack,
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had shown up
to drop off their child,
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their daughter named Erika,
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that Dan Osborne went upstairs
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to watch television
with the child.
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Mr. Osborne described
hearing his dog,
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in a very agitated state, barking.
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And then Darren Mack walked
through the living area
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of the house very quickly
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with a towel
draped over his hand.
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And moments later,
his dog ran into the home
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covered in blood.
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He examined the animal
for injuries.
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There were none.
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He was concerned
for Charla's welfare
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and his own welfare
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and the welfare
of the child as well.
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So he collected Erika,
and they left immediately.
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As he thought about
the circumstances
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that he had observed
at Darren's house
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and that a judge had been shot
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across town,
he quickly became concerned.
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Investigators questioned
if a violent act
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at the Mack residence
could have escalated
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to the shooting downtown.
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They were unnerved
by the next chilling detail.
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Mr. Mack had been
actively practicing
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or training
at distance rifle shooting.
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I got on the radio with
my partner, Detective Chalmers,
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who was involved
in the activities downtown,
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and he shared my concern.
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Detective Jenkins and I would
frequently investigate crimes
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together, and he taught me
a great amount
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about investigating homicides.
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Detective Jenkins
called me and asked me
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to meet him
at Darren Mack's residence
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at the Fleur de Lis townhomes.
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As soon as we pulled up
in front of the townhome,
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we knocked at the door
and got no answer.
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When we walked to the front
of the residence
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in front of the driveway,
our attention was drawn
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to what appeared to be
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substantial vertical
blood droplets
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just outside
the closed garage door
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of Mr. Mack's residence.
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Mr. Osborne, he told me
that he knew the code
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for the garage door opener.
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He entered the code.
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The garage door started
to slowly open.
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And almost instantaneously,
we were able to see
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the motionless body
of Charla Mack
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lying in a large
congealed pool of blood.
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Detective Jenkins was
able to reach the body
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and check for signs of life,
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which, unfortunately,
there were none.
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One item appeared to be
a to-do list.
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He was afraid of what
she was going to do to him.
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There was
an exhaustive manhunt.
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It became about money
and winning,
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and this was a war.
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There's this stuff
all on the news.
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There's a body at Fleur de Lis.
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The body's a woman.
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I got back in my car to go
to Darren's house and--
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and find out what was going on
when I got a phone call.
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I had a friend
on the SWAT team.
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And he said, "It's Charla."
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I remember standing
in my doorway
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just feeling like my knees
were going to give out.
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I just wish so badly
that I would have
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been with her that morning,
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that I could have died for her.
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I don't know--
I don't understand
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why I got to live
and she died, you know?
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A parent shouldn't
outlive their child ever.
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We located seven
distinct stab wounds
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to her body,
the most severe being
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on the left side of her neck
that severed her trachea.
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As chatter continued
on the police scanner
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in the search for the shooter
of Judge Weller,
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detectives pushed
into this new crime scene,
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questioning how the two
attacks could be related.
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In Darren Mack's closet
was the empty sheath
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for a concealable
double-edged knife.
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We believed
that that instrument
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was likely the murder weapon.
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We located a rental agreement
for a 2006 Ford Explorer.
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And we found
...243-caliber ammunition
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strewn about the home.
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One item that stood out
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were what appeared to be
some handwritten notes
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often referred to
as a to-do list.
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There's some specific
references to vehicles.
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It says, "Put her vehicle
in the garage"
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and then "parking garage."
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And then, finally,
"End problem."
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From an evidentiary standpoint,
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it seemed that there was,
in fact,
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a nexus
between Charla's murder
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and the shooting
of Judge Weller.
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Investigators needed to know
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how the shootings
were connected
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and rushed to speak
to Judge Weller
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as he struggled
in critical condition.
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My name is Charles Weller.
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I was in my chambers
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when the window
in my office shattered.
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I was shot here.
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And I lay in a hallway bleeding
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as deputies administered
first aid.
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It was terrible.
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We were aided tremendously
by the fact
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that, although
seriously injured,
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Judge Weller was able
to provide information
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almost immediately
to law enforcement
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whether or not he knew
Darren Mack.
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At that time,
more damning evidence
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of Mr. Mack's involvement
came to light.
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I was the judge to whom
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the Mack divorce case
was assigned.
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This is the case of Charla Mack
versus Darren Mack.
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The information
from Judge Weller
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was that this was
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a very acrimonious
divorce proceeding.
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It became about
money and winning.
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That's not people that are
trying to resolve something.
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Those are people
that are battling.
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And this was a war.
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I had never seen him so happy,
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and Charla equally seemed to be
in love with Darren.
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They would always go
on big trips and vacations,
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just a lot of privileges
of wealth.
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But things start unraveling,
none of that really matters.
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It really upset her
that he'd want to stay out
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till, like, 4:00
in the morning,
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wanting to go out
to strip clubs.
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And so it was just
drama, drama, drama.
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After ten years of marriage,
Charla Mack filed for divorce,
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and the couple separated
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as Darren moved
into his own townhome.
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During the divorce,
it was ugly.
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My client is broke.
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She's been--finances have been
used against her
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for over a year now.
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She's had to borrow 36,000
just to survive.
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He lies over and over
and over again on this thing.
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He gets so angry
and so revved up
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that I just don't feel
comfortable right now.
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I regret being forced
to make a decision here.
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I can only pick one side
or the other,
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and one of you has to lose.
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And so here goes.
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Judge Weller ordered
Mr. Mack to pay,
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in total, almost $1 million.
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That included a lump sum
of over $400,000
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that Charla was to purchase
a home and a car with,
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and then there was alimony
support on top of that
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in excess of $10,000 a month.
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He was used to being
successful and powerful
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and in control.
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And in this situation,
he was none of those things.
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I was informed
by someone I knew
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in a fathers' rights
organization
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that Darren Mack was posting
terrible allegations about me
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and about family court.
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Judge Weller started
wielding his iron mallet
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and started threatening me
with jail.
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There's many, many, many
like myself
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that have been fallen prey
to his tyranny
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and his abuse.
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It made me feel threatened.
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When I became
a family court judge,
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I wanted parties to feel
as comfortable as possible.
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And so with my first meeting
with litigants,
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I held that meeting in chambers
rather than the courtroom.
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As a result, Mr. Mack knew
where my chambers were.
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Darren had called
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days before he was supposed
to write her a big check.
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He asked to talk to her
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when she was
dropping off Erika.
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She didn't understand
because they'd already been
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to court with Judge Weller.
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Everything was settled.
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Darren begged her.
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He said, you know,
"You've got to come.
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"It's really important.
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I've got to talk to you."
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They presented to me
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that their interactions
were dangerous.
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And so I ordered
that when they made
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their weekly exchanges,
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the person
dropping off the child
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would stay in the car
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while the child walked
from car to home.
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I issued that order so that
the parties would be safe.
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She said, "I don't know
what he really wants,
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"and I am scared
to death to do it.
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I just have a bad feeling."
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But she did it.
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I really believe
that money was the main issue.
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Mr. Mack really did not want
to lose his money.
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He really did not want
to give it to Charla.
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Judge Weller was
that vehicle for Charla Mack
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to receive the money
from Darren Mack,
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and he held that Judge Weller
personally and as the system
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was responsible
for that loss of finance.
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Included in the ammunition
that we located
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in Mr. Mack's residence
matched the caliber
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of the projectile
that struck Judge Weller.
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So about 2:00 in the morning,
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an arrest warrant was
authorized for Darren Mack
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for the murder of Charla Mack.
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He was on the loose,
so I was concerned.
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Normal life stopped.
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And local law enforcement
provided security
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at the hospital
for me and my family.
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We had good, strong evidence
that his cell phone had been
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turned on and was pinging
onto Interstate 80
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and westbound out of Reno
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before we lost contact
with it.
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So the indication was
that Mack had,
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in fact, fled to California.
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And past that, we had no idea
where he might have gone.
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He had escaped.
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Darren Mack was
the sole suspect
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in the shooting
of Judge Weller
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and the murder
of his estranged wife, Charla.
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But no one could find him.
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I wanted to believe
that he didn't do this,
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that there was some
reasonable explanation.
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But he disappeared
and was at large.
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After the shooting,
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there was
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an exhaustive manhunt
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involving local, state,
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federal law enforcement
agencies to locate Mr. Mack.
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The media was covering
the attack in Reno,
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and his picture was included.
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Darren Mack,
he's 45 years old, 5'11",
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close to 200 pounds,
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driving a silver 2006
Ford Explorer.
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If you have seen Mack
or his car, call the police.
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We received a telephone call
from a ticket agent
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at the Sacramento airport.
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Mr. Mack had been there
at her counter.
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And when she asked
for identification,
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he refused and left
without getting a ticket.
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Exhaustive efforts
were made to search
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the Sacramento airport.
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It was likely that he had left
the airport in his car.
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It was on the news
all the time.
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Nobody knew where he was.
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It had all of the trappings
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that made it attractive
for the national
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and even
the international media.
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It was "Dateline"
and "48 Hours"
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and in the news
and the newspaper.
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It was constant.
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While investigators searched
for Darren Mack,
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his eight-year-old daughter,
Erika, was placed in the care
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of Darren's mother, Joan.
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His mother, Joan,
she'd already gotten
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temporary custody
by social services.
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And so I was terrified
that he would sneak in
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and try to grab Erika.
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As long as Mr. Mack
remained a fugitive,
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there was
reasonable apprehension
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00:20:09,686 --> 00:20:12,515
that things might not end well,
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00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:14,909
that Mr. Mack would
use violence
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00:20:14,909 --> 00:20:16,650
to avoid responsibility,
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to perhaps harm himself.
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00:20:19,435 --> 00:20:21,307
I was afraid for his life.
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00:20:21,307 --> 00:20:24,048
I wanted him to come back
and be responsible
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because the Darren I knew
would be responsible.
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00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:34,407
So we enlisted
members of the community,
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00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:37,627
friends of Mr. Mack's,
to make public appeals
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00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:41,109
asking Mr. Mack
to surrender himself.
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00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:43,851
And I'm begging him
that if he hears this,
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if he's listening to this,
to please contact us.
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He knows he could trust us.
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00:20:49,465 --> 00:20:51,467
We will do anything
to help him.
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00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:53,034
We want to save his life.
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We were inundated with tips.
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00:20:56,907 --> 00:21:00,476
But one tip in specific
really stood out to us was,
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an airline pilot had
flown from Mexico
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00:21:03,131 --> 00:21:06,221
back to the United States,
seen the media coverage,
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00:21:06,221 --> 00:21:08,179
and felt confident
he had seen Mr. Mack
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at a resort in Mexico.
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The FBI
and Mexican authorities
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worked in connection
to establish checkpoints
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in and around
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico,
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00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:21,584
searching hotels and buses
in an attempt
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00:21:21,584 --> 00:21:24,326
to track down Darren Mack.
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00:21:24,326 --> 00:21:28,069
He must have felt the walls
closing in around him.
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00:21:32,943 --> 00:21:35,859
Darren made
telephone communications
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00:21:35,859 --> 00:21:38,862
with the Washoe County
district attorney at the time.
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00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:42,475
He wanted, in my opinion,
to try and sweeten the deal,
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00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:44,564
if you will, for his return.
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00:21:46,217 --> 00:21:48,872
Included in Mr. Mack's
demands to surrender,
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00:21:48,872 --> 00:21:50,657
he demanded
to speak to the media
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and talk about
what he perceived
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00:21:52,136 --> 00:21:54,225
were the injustices
of the family court system
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00:21:54,225 --> 00:21:55,444
and Judge Weller.
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00:21:55,444 --> 00:21:57,881
He also wanted to have
a jail cell
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with certain books
and access to the internet.
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00:22:01,668 --> 00:22:04,758
I think he was trying
to use his status
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as a fugitive to give him
a greater audience.
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00:22:09,023 --> 00:22:10,764
He also wanted
the death penalty.
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00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:13,332
I believe that he saw himself
as a martyr
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for the fathers who are
in the family court system.
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00:22:17,248 --> 00:22:19,903
On June 21, 2006,
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after nearly ten days
on the run,
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00:22:22,297 --> 00:22:24,691
Darren Mack agreed
to surrender himself
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00:22:24,691 --> 00:22:26,562
to authorities
at the consulate
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at Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.
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00:22:29,217 --> 00:22:32,655
Even though he claimed that
he wanted to turn himself in,
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00:22:32,655 --> 00:22:35,441
set up a turnover,
Mr. Mack didn't show.
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00:22:36,790 --> 00:22:39,575
He failed to surrender
as promised.
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00:22:39,575 --> 00:22:42,230
Desperate people
sometimes say things
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00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:43,927
and then change their mind.
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If he does
call me back again,
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00:22:45,538 --> 00:22:46,626
we're going to have
a little discussion
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00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:47,757
about his credibility
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00:22:47,757 --> 00:22:49,280
and just where we go
from there.
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It was so stressful
for all those involved.
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There were three families--
his family
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and Charla's family
and Judge Weller's family--
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00:23:00,988 --> 00:23:05,688
who are living this nightmare
while all this tactical stuff
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00:23:05,688 --> 00:23:08,169
was going on in the background
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00:23:08,169 --> 00:23:12,347
and really couldn't even
begin, in my view, to grieve
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because of this maelstrom being
created to serve Darren Mack.
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We're here to provide
an update and information
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00:23:21,922 --> 00:23:24,838
on the arrest of Darren Mack.
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00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,927
Darren Roy Mack
was apprehended
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00:23:26,927 --> 00:23:28,711
in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico,
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one day after he failed
to meet a commitment he made
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00:23:31,758 --> 00:23:33,847
to the Washoe County
district attorney
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and to the Reno Police
Department to turn himself in.
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It had been a very long
week and a half.
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I literally could not take
a shower
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00:23:41,724 --> 00:23:43,900
without my phone ringing
two or three times.
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00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:45,162
I was very relieved to know
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00:23:45,162 --> 00:23:46,990
that he was taken
into custody.
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00:23:48,992 --> 00:23:51,821
I was pleased
when he was apprehended.
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00:23:51,821 --> 00:23:56,696
Law enforcement told us
that we were free to go home.
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I was driving
when I found out.
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00:23:58,262 --> 00:24:01,396
I got a phone call saying,
"They got him."
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00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:03,442
I pulled over.
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00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,008
I pulled over and cried.
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00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:08,098
It was a lot, a lot of emotion
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00:24:08,098 --> 00:24:10,492
and a lot of,
"So now what do we do?
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00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:11,928
What comes next?"
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00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,905
Mr. Mack's extradition
process was streamlined
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00:24:31,905 --> 00:24:34,951
by his defense attorneys.
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00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:38,389
When taken into custody,
Darren Mack still had
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a substantial amount of money.
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00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:43,133
$40,000 in cash.
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00:24:43,133 --> 00:24:45,005
I remember thinking,
Mr. Mack complained
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that he didn't have
enough money to make
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temporary support to Charla
of $10,000 a month,
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00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:53,317
and yet, on a moment's notice,
put together 40 grand in cash
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00:24:53,317 --> 00:24:56,712
pretty easily
to take it to Mexico.
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00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:59,280
In addition,
Mr. Mack had the benefit
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00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:04,372
of the finest legal defense
in the country.
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00:25:04,372 --> 00:25:07,549
I mean, he hired two of the
preeminent defense attorneys,
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00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:08,985
certainly in the state
of Nevada
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00:25:08,985 --> 00:25:10,944
and probably on the West Coast,
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00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:13,120
Scott Freeman
and David Chesnoff.
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00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,471
I'm sure their fee exceeded
a million dollars.
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I was most curious to see what
the defense was going to be.
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Mr. Mack was charged
with Charla's murder
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00:25:31,138 --> 00:25:32,922
and the attempted murder
of Judge Weller
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00:25:32,922 --> 00:25:36,317
and pled not guilty.
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00:25:36,317 --> 00:25:38,362
I wasn't surprised
when he first entered pleas
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00:25:38,362 --> 00:25:39,494
of not guilty.
509
00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:40,843
I knew, at the outset,
he would angle
510
00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,758
for the best deal he could get.
511
00:25:44,499 --> 00:25:47,546
Based on all
of the physical evidence,
512
00:25:47,546 --> 00:25:53,639
Mr. Mack's legal representation
had very few viable defenses.
513
00:25:54,378 --> 00:25:56,772
We got his shoes that had
blood spatter on them
514
00:25:56,772 --> 00:25:58,687
that came back to Charla.
515
00:25:58,687 --> 00:26:01,821
Evidence of his physical
presence at the crime scene
516
00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:05,215
was so overwhelming
that I don't know
517
00:26:05,215 --> 00:26:07,653
what other options realistically
518
00:26:07,653 --> 00:26:09,916
Mr. Mack had to pursue.
519
00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:14,442
Self-defense is at least
a viable legal defense.
520
00:26:15,835 --> 00:26:17,793
It's ludicrous to me.
521
00:26:17,793 --> 00:26:19,534
The only fear
that he had of her
522
00:26:19,534 --> 00:26:22,276
was her taking his money.
523
00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:28,543
In order to find
impartial jurors,
524
00:26:28,543 --> 00:26:30,719
the trial was moved
to Las Vegas.
525
00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:36,029
And on October 24, 2007,
all eyes were on Darren Mack
526
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,944
as the state delivered
its case
527
00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:39,902
in the murder of Charla Mack
528
00:26:39,902 --> 00:26:42,513
and in the shooting
of Judge Weller.
529
00:26:42,513 --> 00:26:44,428
What made
the Mack divorce different,
530
00:26:44,428 --> 00:26:47,780
if there was a difference, was
the amount of money involved.
531
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:50,260
The prosecution detailed
in their opening statement
532
00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:55,222
that what motivated this murder
was Mr. Mack's displeasure
533
00:26:55,222 --> 00:26:56,702
with the money
that he was going to be
534
00:26:56,702 --> 00:27:00,053
forced to pay in the divorce.
535
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:01,881
One of the main points
of contention
536
00:27:01,881 --> 00:27:03,665
during the divorce
was Darren Mack's income.
537
00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:06,581
He owned 51%
of Palace Jewelry and Loan.
538
00:27:06,581 --> 00:27:08,670
Midway through the divorce,
he transferred
539
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,411
ownership back to his mother.
540
00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:15,111
He claimed to be making $44,000
a month prior to the divorce.
541
00:27:15,111 --> 00:27:16,852
And then midway
through the divorce,
542
00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:18,593
he filed papers saying
he was simply an employee
543
00:27:18,593 --> 00:27:21,422
making a $5,000 a month salary.
544
00:27:21,422 --> 00:27:23,424
Judge Weller could see
very clearly
545
00:27:23,424 --> 00:27:25,426
through the games
Darren Mack was playing
546
00:27:25,426 --> 00:27:27,384
that he was trying
to hide income.
547
00:27:27,384 --> 00:27:29,386
He believed the system
was unconstitutional.
548
00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:31,432
Judge Weller was being
unfair to him.
549
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:34,740
The defendant's frustration
and anger grew.
550
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,132
Darren Mack had a problem.
551
00:27:36,132 --> 00:27:38,526
He found a solution
to his problem.
552
00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:41,921
Darren Mack ambushed
his soon-to-be ex-wife
553
00:27:41,921 --> 00:27:43,226
with a knife.
554
00:27:43,226 --> 00:27:45,881
And her death was neither
sudden nor painless.
555
00:27:45,881 --> 00:27:48,231
It was personal.
556
00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,886
It becomes clear
in the opening statements
557
00:27:50,886 --> 00:27:54,673
that the defense is going
to run a defense on two paths,
558
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,414
because, remember,
there were two crime scenes
559
00:27:57,414 --> 00:27:59,286
and two victims.
560
00:27:59,286 --> 00:28:02,115
To the killing of Charla
and in support
561
00:28:02,115 --> 00:28:04,900
of this self-defense theory
came a claim
562
00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:07,163
of Charla's
violent tendencies,
563
00:28:07,163 --> 00:28:08,730
that she had been
physically violent.
564
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:11,690
Darren was not aware
of the dark side of Charla
565
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:12,821
prior to marriage.
566
00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:14,736
He also was not aware
of her ability
567
00:28:14,736 --> 00:28:16,433
to be physically violent
568
00:28:16,433 --> 00:28:19,001
and physically abusive
towards Darren.
569
00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:23,223
The hardest part
was listening
570
00:28:23,223 --> 00:28:25,312
to Darren's defense attorneys
571
00:28:25,312 --> 00:28:28,271
talk about how horrible
Charla was.
572
00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:30,143
You know, I mean,
she wasn't an angel,
573
00:28:30,143 --> 00:28:33,929
but she definitely wasn't
what they depicted her to be.
574
00:28:33,929 --> 00:28:36,236
Mr. Mack claimed
that he had been
575
00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:38,586
the victim of many incidents
as a domestic battery,
576
00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:40,762
and especially in one incident
that Charla Mack,
577
00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,198
in a fit of rage,
had kicked him
578
00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:45,767
and broken his finger
at a karate practice.
579
00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:47,726
Darren and Charla
were very passionate.
580
00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:49,510
They loved and fought.
581
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:53,644
And nobody pushes your buttons
like your spouse.
582
00:28:53,644 --> 00:28:55,821
And she was not immune to that.
583
00:28:55,821 --> 00:28:57,866
She gave as good as she got.
584
00:28:59,476 --> 00:29:01,130
She would call me
and tell me how--
585
00:29:01,130 --> 00:29:03,829
the different ways
that she talked back to him,
586
00:29:03,829 --> 00:29:05,613
mocking him at times.
587
00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:08,398
And I think
that she just infuriated him.
588
00:29:10,357 --> 00:29:12,620
During the investigation,
we learned
589
00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:16,276
that Darren Mack had been
accused of violence
590
00:29:16,276 --> 00:29:18,887
in their relationship.
591
00:29:18,887 --> 00:29:21,716
Law enforcement was called
to the Mack mansion
592
00:29:21,716 --> 00:29:25,198
where both parties alleged
domestic abuse.
593
00:29:25,198 --> 00:29:27,853
Charla did call me
and tell me he choked her,
594
00:29:27,853 --> 00:29:29,028
and she was really scared.
595
00:29:29,028 --> 00:29:31,552
She was sobbing on the phone.
596
00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:33,423
Charla Mack was
a very small woman.
597
00:29:33,423 --> 00:29:35,948
Darren Mack was a large
bodybuilding male.
598
00:29:35,948 --> 00:29:39,038
But he claimed that Charla Mack
had been the primary aggressor
599
00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:41,127
and that he was the victim.
600
00:29:41,127 --> 00:29:42,868
You see,
ladies and gentlemen,
601
00:29:42,868 --> 00:29:45,435
Charla has a pattern
of behavior.
602
00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:48,482
Some call it borderline
personality disorder.
603
00:29:48,482 --> 00:29:52,007
She could be kind
and giving in public.
604
00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:54,967
She could be violent
and abusive at home.
605
00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:57,447
It was too much
for Darren to take.
606
00:29:57,447 --> 00:29:59,232
The defense claimed
that Darren started
607
00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,147
carrying a gun on his person
608
00:30:01,147 --> 00:30:05,281
when he had interactions
with Mrs. Mack.
609
00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:07,370
He was claiming
he was afraid
610
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:09,764
of what she was going to do
to him.
611
00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:13,028
The defense said that Charla
had been so horrific
612
00:30:13,028 --> 00:30:15,161
that it just wore on Darren
613
00:30:15,161 --> 00:30:17,293
and wore on Darren
like a rubber band.
614
00:30:19,295 --> 00:30:21,210
And that Darren
had just snapped.
615
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:34,397
This was our Montessori
school's auction.
616
00:30:34,397 --> 00:30:36,573
We were a little bit of
the Three Musketeers, you know?
617
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:39,359
And honestly, I felt like
we were just getting started.
618
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:41,404
So I wanted to be
at the trial every day.
619
00:30:41,404 --> 00:30:43,363
I know you couldn't go.
620
00:30:43,363 --> 00:30:45,756
It was quite the event
just to sit there every day
621
00:30:45,756 --> 00:30:49,848
and listen to all these things,
all these lies, all these--
622
00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,893
Did you hear things
that were disturbing
623
00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,068
that you didn't know?
624
00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:54,243
I didn't hear a lot
I didn't know,
625
00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:56,942
but I heard a lot
I didn't believe.
626
00:30:57,768 --> 00:31:02,295
On October 24, 2007,
Darren Mack's attorneys
627
00:31:02,295 --> 00:31:04,079
presented in their
opening statements
628
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:05,733
what they claim happened
629
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:08,997
on the morning
of June 12, 2006.
630
00:31:08,997 --> 00:31:11,739
Charla was supposed to bring
Erika over at about 9:00,
631
00:31:11,739 --> 00:31:14,916
but Charla also wanted
to discuss
632
00:31:14,916 --> 00:31:16,222
settling the divorce.
633
00:31:16,222 --> 00:31:18,267
Darren's attorneys would say
634
00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:20,487
that Darren brought a knife
and a gun
635
00:31:20,487 --> 00:31:22,793
to this meeting with Charla.
636
00:31:22,793 --> 00:31:25,579
Darren said
she walked up to him
637
00:31:25,579 --> 00:31:28,060
and slapped him
across the face and said,
638
00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:30,149
"Darren, give me my money."
639
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:33,282
"Darren, drop the appeal,"
says Charla.
640
00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:35,415
'Make your mother pay me.
641
00:31:35,415 --> 00:31:38,592
You know you owe me
what I deserve."
642
00:31:38,592 --> 00:31:40,072
As they're having
an argument,
643
00:31:40,072 --> 00:31:41,421
she hits him on the head,
644
00:31:41,421 --> 00:31:43,902
causing the gun
to fall out of his pants.
645
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:48,950
Charla looks at the gun,
pulls the hammer back,
646
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:52,084
smiles, and fires.
647
00:31:52,084 --> 00:31:53,694
But it misfires.
648
00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:56,131
Darren thinks he's been shot.
He's not.
649
00:31:56,131 --> 00:31:58,438
Charla starts to cock
the hammer again.
650
00:31:58,438 --> 00:32:00,788
Darren knew
he was going to die.
651
00:32:00,788 --> 00:32:04,270
So he's forced
to stab her to death.
652
00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:07,142
He acted in self-defense.
653
00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,971
But an autopsy was performed
on Charla Mack's body,
654
00:32:09,971 --> 00:32:12,713
and she had several
defensive injuries--
655
00:32:12,713 --> 00:32:15,324
a stab wound to her calf,
very consistent
656
00:32:15,324 --> 00:32:16,891
with somebody
who's on the ground,
657
00:32:16,891 --> 00:32:18,371
kicking at her attacker.
658
00:32:18,371 --> 00:32:20,286
She also had defensive wounds
to her hands
659
00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:21,678
and to her forearms
as she was trying
660
00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:26,683
to parry off
those stabbing blows.
661
00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:29,512
With the physical evidence
on their side,
662
00:32:29,512 --> 00:32:32,820
prosecutors made their case
against Darren Mack
663
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:35,649
for the shooting
of Judge Weller.
664
00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:37,999
After he actually
followed through
665
00:32:37,999 --> 00:32:39,305
with killing Charla Mack,
666
00:32:39,305 --> 00:32:40,959
I believe
that he fully intended
667
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:46,181
to drive to the parking garage
to try to kill Judge Weller.
668
00:32:46,181 --> 00:32:47,487
During the trial,
669
00:32:47,487 --> 00:32:50,490
they showed
video footage of Darren
670
00:32:50,490 --> 00:32:54,276
driving a rental car
into the parking garage
671
00:32:54,276 --> 00:32:55,843
across from the courthouse.
672
00:32:58,063 --> 00:33:01,805
Behind me is
the Mills Lane Justice Center.
673
00:33:01,805 --> 00:33:04,025
The surveillance footage
was very important.
674
00:33:04,025 --> 00:33:07,507
Darren Mack arrived here
at about 10:42 in the morning.
675
00:33:07,507 --> 00:33:09,683
He obtained a ticket
at the gate,
676
00:33:09,683 --> 00:33:12,555
drove up to the fifth floor,
and then backed the vehicle in
677
00:33:12,555 --> 00:33:14,993
so the rear of the vehicle
was facing
678
00:33:14,993 --> 00:33:16,559
the Mills Lane Justice Center.
679
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,345
At about 11:05 a.m.
is when we began getting
680
00:33:19,345 --> 00:33:20,868
reports of the shooting.
681
00:33:20,868 --> 00:33:23,001
And at about 11:06,
surveillance cameras show
682
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,090
the rear hatch
of the Explorer being closed
683
00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:27,744
and the Explorer leaving
the parking garage.
684
00:33:29,224 --> 00:33:30,573
Who fired the bullet?
685
00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:31,922
Well, if there's
a common denominator
686
00:33:31,922 --> 00:33:35,187
between Charla Mack
and Judge Weller,
687
00:33:35,187 --> 00:33:36,710
it's the defendant,
Darren Mack.
688
00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:41,236
The judicial system,
the third branch
689
00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:45,980
of the American government,
is larger than the interests
690
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,851
of any one individual.
691
00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:51,768
And so no violent person,
no judge
692
00:33:51,768 --> 00:33:53,292
should ever think
that they have
693
00:33:53,292 --> 00:33:55,598
the ability to change
the operation
694
00:33:55,598 --> 00:33:57,383
of the judicial system.
695
00:33:57,383 --> 00:33:59,602
We're servants
of the judicial system.
696
00:34:01,691 --> 00:34:03,867
There is no defense
to the shooting, right?
697
00:34:03,867 --> 00:34:05,173
There's no imminent need.
698
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:06,870
There's no,
"Some other dude did it."
699
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:09,264
There's no other real defense
to the shooting
700
00:34:09,264 --> 00:34:11,571
other than
he didn't have the intent.
701
00:34:11,571 --> 00:34:13,225
And you get that
one of two ways--
702
00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:16,010
he either didn't formulate
or he couldn't formulate it
703
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:19,013
because he was "temporarily"
out of his mind.
704
00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:23,104
At the time of the shooting
of Judge Weller,
705
00:34:23,104 --> 00:34:26,412
you will find
that Darren Mack was suffering
706
00:34:26,412 --> 00:34:29,415
from delusional disorder.
707
00:34:29,415 --> 00:34:33,810
The defense claimed that he,
as a result of the attack
708
00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:38,293
that he faced with Charla Mack,
had a moment of insanity
709
00:34:38,293 --> 00:34:41,514
when he went
and shot Judge Weller.
710
00:34:41,514 --> 00:34:45,431
Everything is happening
basically on automatic pilot,
711
00:34:45,431 --> 00:34:48,564
which is consistent
with somebody
712
00:34:48,564 --> 00:34:50,523
suffering from the delusions
713
00:34:50,523 --> 00:34:53,091
that Darren Mack was
suffering from
714
00:34:53,091 --> 00:34:57,007
at the time that he went
and shot Judge Weller.
715
00:34:58,618 --> 00:35:00,489
I thought
his defense was clever
716
00:35:00,489 --> 00:35:03,144
because it would allow them
to attack
717
00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:06,887
both, from a self-defense
perspective, the murder
718
00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:10,369
and to have a defense
to the shooting.
719
00:35:10,369 --> 00:35:12,588
But there was
a mountain of evidence,
720
00:35:12,588 --> 00:35:15,939
including a to-do list
in the defendant's own hand,
721
00:35:15,939 --> 00:35:19,160
that corroborated the sequence
of events that had occurred
722
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,814
on the day of the crimes.
723
00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:24,209
So this was a very difficult
case to defend.
724
00:35:24,209 --> 00:35:26,602
And there is only so much
even the best attorneys
725
00:35:26,602 --> 00:35:29,083
in the world can do
under our system.
726
00:35:34,262 --> 00:35:35,829
I received a telephone call
727
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:38,440
that the defense had approached
the prosecution
728
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,963
with a possible plea deal.
729
00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:42,705
If we drop the deadly
weapon enhancement,
730
00:35:42,705 --> 00:35:47,014
Mr. Mack was willing to plead
to first-degree murder,
731
00:35:47,014 --> 00:35:49,495
as well as attempted murder
with the use of a deadly weapon
732
00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:53,020
on Judge Weller,
which would save Mr. Mack
733
00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:55,675
about 20 years' worth
of sentence.
734
00:35:55,675 --> 00:35:58,199
I was gobsmacked
Monday morning
735
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,159
when they announced
that a deal had been struck
736
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,683
and that he was going to enter
a plea of guilty.
737
00:36:03,683 --> 00:36:06,033
I was gobsmacked.
738
00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:09,689
He changed his not guilty
plea to a guilty plea
739
00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:13,171
and didn't present any defense
in the courtroom.
740
00:36:13,171 --> 00:36:16,391
All right, as to count one,
murder of the first degree,
741
00:36:16,391 --> 00:36:18,219
it's my understanding,
Mr. Mack,
742
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,831
that on June 12th of 2006,
743
00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:24,704
you willfully, feloniously,
and without authority of law
744
00:36:24,704 --> 00:36:27,141
stabbed into the body
of Charla Mack,
745
00:36:27,141 --> 00:36:28,229
causing her death.
746
00:36:28,229 --> 00:36:29,578
Is that correct?
- That's correct.
747
00:36:29,578 --> 00:36:32,059
And as to count two,
it's my understanding
748
00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:34,714
that willfully, unlawfully,
and without authority of law,
749
00:36:34,714 --> 00:36:36,585
you shot Judge Weller
with a firearm.
750
00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:38,021
That's correct.
751
00:36:40,415 --> 00:36:41,938
I was just in shock.
752
00:36:41,938 --> 00:36:46,769
He had gone from being
this reasonable, calm,
753
00:36:46,769 --> 00:36:48,902
collected, successful person
754
00:36:48,902 --> 00:36:52,949
to someone
who would kill somebody.
755
00:36:52,949 --> 00:36:55,387
Unfortunately,
that November 5th day
756
00:36:55,387 --> 00:36:57,084
was not the end
of the Mack trial.
757
00:36:58,955 --> 00:37:01,480
Fairly soon after he struck
that plea deal,
758
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,570
he fired Mr. Chesnoff
and Mr. Freeman.
759
00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:06,920
He claimed
his defense attorneys had
760
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,792
overborne his will,
basically pestered him,
761
00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:13,405
and he was unable to freely,
knowingly, and intelligently
762
00:37:13,405 --> 00:37:14,971
enter a plea of guilty.
763
00:37:14,971 --> 00:37:16,799
Hired a new attorney,
William Routsis,
764
00:37:16,799 --> 00:37:18,975
and sought to withdraw
his plea.
765
00:37:18,975 --> 00:37:20,716
I really think
that he's narcissistic
766
00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:23,980
and thinks he's smarter
than Freeman and Chesnoff.
767
00:37:23,980 --> 00:37:28,289
He's a little bit delusional
about how life is.
768
00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:30,813
He reminds me of a little kid
having a tantrum.
769
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:32,598
He doesn't like the outcome.
770
00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:34,295
"Fire all those people.
771
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:36,036
We're going to try again."
772
00:37:36,036 --> 00:37:39,605
And he wanted
to get on the stand
773
00:37:39,605 --> 00:37:42,129
to tell the world his story.
774
00:37:42,129 --> 00:37:44,784
I've remained quiet
through this whole thing,
775
00:37:44,784 --> 00:37:47,265
and now I would like
to come forward and speak
776
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,570
because there's some
very important things
777
00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:51,138
I would like to share.
778
00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:52,618
I have much at stake.
779
00:37:57,927 --> 00:38:02,715
On January 16, 2008,
Darren Mack took the stand
780
00:38:02,715 --> 00:38:04,499
to decide
whether he would be allowed
781
00:38:04,499 --> 00:38:06,719
to withdraw his guilty plea.
782
00:38:09,896 --> 00:38:11,114
Please raise
your right hand.
783
00:38:16,729 --> 00:38:18,774
Thank you.
Please have a seat.
784
00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:20,559
It's generally not
a good idea
785
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,865
for a guilty defendant
to take the stand.
786
00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:24,867
But he felt he needed to make
787
00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:26,565
some kind of statement
to the court.
788
00:38:26,565 --> 00:38:30,830
Charla had threatened my life
numerous, numerous times,
789
00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:32,397
as well as attacking me.
790
00:38:32,397 --> 00:38:34,137
What happened was--is,
791
00:38:34,137 --> 00:38:35,704
after she was trying
to kill me,
792
00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:38,228
we both went to the ground.
793
00:38:38,228 --> 00:38:40,753
She then got stabbed.
794
00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:42,755
And you got to understand
the state of mind.
795
00:38:42,755 --> 00:38:45,366
It was an instinct.
796
00:38:45,366 --> 00:38:46,715
But the thing you don't--
797
00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:48,848
a lot of people
don't recognize--
798
00:38:48,848 --> 00:38:51,590
I lost a wife too.
799
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:54,375
And even though
that this happened,
800
00:38:54,375 --> 00:38:55,855
I still love Charla.
801
00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:59,075
I just couldn't live with her,
and I was afraid of her.
802
00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:03,384
Mr. Mack's narcissistic
mindset really showed through
803
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:05,908
in that hearing
when he took the stand
804
00:39:05,908 --> 00:39:07,475
and talked about
being the victim.
805
00:39:07,475 --> 00:39:09,912
It was just unfathomable to me
806
00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,351
to listen to his perceptions
of the process.
807
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,268
At the conclusion
of that hearing,
808
00:39:18,268 --> 00:39:20,662
Judge Herndon ruled
that Mr. Mack
809
00:39:20,662 --> 00:39:23,665
knowingly and voluntarily
entered his plea
810
00:39:23,665 --> 00:39:28,191
and denied his motion
to withdraw his guilty plea.
811
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,069
It's time set
for the court to address
812
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:38,071
the sentencing of Mr. Mack.
813
00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:40,508
This case, in my mind,
obviously cries out
814
00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:42,162
for incarceration,
and the defendant
815
00:39:42,162 --> 00:39:46,122
is going to be incarcerated
for a very long time.
816
00:39:46,122 --> 00:39:48,429
Mr. Mack was sentenced
to the maximum
817
00:39:48,429 --> 00:39:51,606
on first-degree murder
of life with the possibility
818
00:39:51,606 --> 00:39:53,303
of parole after 20 years.
819
00:39:53,303 --> 00:39:55,436
That sentence is
to be served consecutive
820
00:39:55,436 --> 00:39:57,786
to the attempted murder charge
of Judge Weller.
821
00:39:57,786 --> 00:40:00,223
So in total, under Nevada law,
822
00:40:00,223 --> 00:40:04,445
Mr. Mack would have to do
a minimum of 36 years
823
00:40:04,445 --> 00:40:06,621
before he could actually walk
the streets
824
00:40:06,621 --> 00:40:08,318
as a free man again.
825
00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:14,455
After Judge Herndon gave him
the maximum sentence,
826
00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:16,239
Darren was in shackles.
827
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,720
And he's walking
by all the people
828
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,070
that he had known in his life
and his children
829
00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:25,945
and his mother, and this is
the end of his life
830
00:40:25,945 --> 00:40:27,642
as he'll ever know it.
831
00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:34,214
And it brought me
a sense of peace.
832
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:42,875
In addition
to the criminal charges,
833
00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:45,704
the estate
of Charla Mack initiated
834
00:40:45,704 --> 00:40:48,010
a wrongful death suit
in civil court
835
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,230
against Mr. Mack.
836
00:40:51,449 --> 00:40:54,364
When I say
what I do matters to me,
837
00:40:54,364 --> 00:40:55,931
the reason I went
to law school
838
00:40:55,931 --> 00:40:58,238
was cases like this.
839
00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:01,850
Really, the theme is that,
by killing Charla,
840
00:41:01,850 --> 00:41:04,549
Darren stole what should
have been the happiness
841
00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:08,030
and the fairy tale
of this child's life from her
842
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:10,076
because he took
not only her mother
843
00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:13,471
but, of course, himself
by that act.
844
00:41:16,343 --> 00:41:18,519
Ultimately,
her estate prevailed,
845
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:23,872
and there was a judgment
of approximately $590 million
846
00:41:23,872 --> 00:41:25,874
against Mr. Mack
847
00:41:25,874 --> 00:41:28,747
for the wrongful death
of his wife.
848
00:41:30,139 --> 00:41:33,099
I was glad of the reward.
849
00:41:33,099 --> 00:41:34,666
A little girl lost her mother.
850
00:41:34,666 --> 00:41:36,537
She's growing up
without parents.
851
00:41:36,537 --> 00:41:39,540
She deserved every penny.
852
00:41:39,540 --> 00:41:41,890
There was also
a final order struck
853
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:44,719
between family members
related to the care,
854
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,200
custody, and control of Erika.
855
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,595
And the result is
that Erika then lived
856
00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:52,684
primarily with Soorya Townley.
857
00:41:56,078 --> 00:41:57,732
This is not a unique story.
858
00:41:57,732 --> 00:42:01,519
This is just a story that
I personally knew the people.
859
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:02,781
And it's still tragic.
860
00:42:02,781 --> 00:42:06,349
And it's still heartbreaking.
861
00:42:08,003 --> 00:42:09,570
You think about
a lot of us, hopefully,
862
00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:12,486
we'll have the luxury
of being surrounded by people
863
00:42:12,486 --> 00:42:13,922
who love us when we die.
864
00:42:13,922 --> 00:42:19,145
And she didn't get that luxury
of dying with love.
865
00:42:19,145 --> 00:42:23,062
She died in pain and terror.
866
00:42:23,062 --> 00:42:25,238
And that haunts me.
867
00:42:25,238 --> 00:42:28,633
And it's very, very difficult
to let go.
868
00:42:34,247 --> 00:42:36,466
Justice is
a very difficult word.
869
00:42:36,466 --> 00:42:40,993
I believe that law and order
was served justly.
870
00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:44,562
But I suspect
that the Charla Mack family
871
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:47,390
and Judge Weller may not
see it that way.
872
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:50,350
To the Charla Mack family
or to Judge Weller,
873
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:53,135
justice would be
bringing their loved ones back
874
00:42:53,135 --> 00:42:55,877
and to removing that day
from their lives.
875
00:42:55,877 --> 00:42:57,575
The criminal justice system
doesn't have
876
00:42:57,575 --> 00:43:00,273
the ability to do that.
877
00:43:00,273 --> 00:43:02,580
I've been a judge
for 17 years
878
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:05,887
since this event occurred.
879
00:43:05,887 --> 00:43:08,368
I've raised my children.
They're successful.
880
00:43:10,544 --> 00:43:13,242
I try to have
as normal a life as I can.
881
00:43:16,681 --> 00:43:18,813
You think you have eternity
to be together,
882
00:43:18,813 --> 00:43:20,510
and then you realize,
you know...
883
00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:25,603
Hold on to your children.
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