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Every day I do think of her.
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Sometimes I look at my grandkids
and I remember Nicola being like that.
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Nicola would do things like that.
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I do remember all ages of her.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I’m kinda glad that there isn’t just
one fixed image.
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I still can remember Nicola in all ages.
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I think you could pretty much go up to
anybody in Coventry and say,
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“Nicola Payne” and they’ll tell you
what happened that day.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: It’s one of the greatest
unsolved crimes in this country.
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REPORTER: Nicola Payne had left her
boyfriend and baby son
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to go to her parents.
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She simply vanished into the mist.
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It’s just hitting home that summut
serious has happened to my sister.
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REPORTER: A team of police officers today
began a yard by yard search
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of the waste ground
where Nicola was last seen.
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MALCOLM ROSS: It was the biggest search
that West Midlands Police
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had ever encountered.
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Every effort, it seems, is being made
to find Nicola Payne.
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If anybody is holding Nicola, just take
her somewhere, or to just phone anybody.
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I kept thinking, where’s my Nicola gone?
Where’s me Nicola?
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MALE: What happened to Nicola
could happen to any woman.
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How can an 18 year old disappear
and just never be seen again?
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It’s just a never ending real life
horror story.
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The truth.
That’s all we want is the truth.
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If it was your sister,
when would you give up.
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REPORTER: Last year a jury cleared
two Coventry men
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accused of Nicola Payne’s murder.
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REPORTER: Brothers in law, Nigel Barwell
and Thomas O’Reilly,
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seen on the left with a beard,
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were cleared of any involvement
in her disappearance.
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Nicola was not only our daughter,
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but a loving mother to her son, Owen,
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and sister to her four older brothers.
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She deserves to be laid to rest.
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As a family, then we have somewhere
to visit
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and at least get some sort
of closure on this time.
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We cannot contemplate not knowing
where Nicola is for another 24 years.
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I think Marilyn and John were just
completely heartbroken after the trial.
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Everybody had put all their eggs
in one basket.
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We finally thought we’d get answers
and we were back to square one.
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You know, where do we go from here?
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We can’t give up on her.
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Well, it was a complete let down in court.
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During the trial we used to say to them
like, you know, how about this,
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how about that?
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And we kept asking questions
and they kept saying,
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“No, we’re alright.
We know what we’re doing.”
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But it never worked out.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: What can you say
at a time like that?
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You can’t really give any crumb of comfort
in a time like that,
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because everybody has worked so hard
to get to this day and this position.
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And it hasn’t gone the way that we
thought and hoped it should go.
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Marilyn and John were never gonna give up
on trying to find the truth for Nicola
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and neither did I.
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And very soon after the trial,
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we had new information
come in to the investigation
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about a sighting of two men
on the day Nicola went missing,
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in and around the area we had searched,
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at the right time, acting suspiciously.
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(clock ticking)
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AMANDA EALES: We were made aware
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that there was an incident
in Coombe Abbey Fisheries.
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There was people spotted in the bushes
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and that there was a bit of
a confrontation.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: The information
that the witness told us
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was the on the afternoon
that Nicola disappeared,
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around 3.30, 4 o’clock,
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he’d actually stopped at the Fisheries
to see how the fish were biting
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and he intended to come here
the next day and fish.
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He noticed a car had parked
just where I am now.
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It was the only other car apart from his.
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And he saw a man at the passenger door
and spoke to him briefly and said hello.
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And as the witness walked back
towards his car,
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he saw a second man coming out of
the woods to the righthand side.
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And this man was startled to see him also.
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The man that had come out of the woods,
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beckoned to the man at the side
of the car to grab the witness
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and said, “He’s seen us, stop him.
Let’s grab him.”
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The man that was at the car door said,
“No, let him go.”
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In that moment of indecision,
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the witness was able to jump back
into his car and lock the door.
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But the second man ran to the gate
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and tried to close the gate
to prevent him from driving off.
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Fortunately, the witness was able to
drive out of the car park and escape.
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When he gave us that information,
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obviously we were concerned as to
why he hadn’t told us that before.
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We’d been searching in the Coombe Abbey
area over the previous three years.
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And what he said was
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that he didn’t connect that incident
with Nicola’s disappearance initially,
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because all of the activity around
Nicola’s disappearance
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centred on the Black Pad,
where she’d been last seen.
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It was only when
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the witness had watched the trial
of Nigel Barwell and Thomas O’Reilly
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and had followed that trial
in the local media,
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that he actually learnt that they had been
driving a blue metallic Ford Capri.
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And he stated that the car he saw
was a metallic blue sports type car.
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What that led to was a further search
of this area of Coombe Abbey
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that hadn’t previously been searched.
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(clock ticking)
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PETER WILSON: The police have now begun
searching a new location
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at Coombe Abbey Country Park,
after a witness came forward.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: It was an incredibly
difficult area to search.
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There was dense undergrowth,
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there was 25 to 30 years
of fallen trees and debris.
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The area had never been husbanded before.
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We’ve been searching here in Coombe Abbey
for the past eight or so weeks.
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And that’s following a credible witness
coming forward,
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that gave us the information about the day
Nicola Payne went missing
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on the 14th of December, 1991.
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In order to maximise the opportunities
on that search,
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we again sought the services of the
scientists, plant specialists,
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search experts,
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and we cleared the whole
area for over 200 metres.
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Interestingly, we found old bottles and
debris of shoes and boots
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that had been dumped here after the war.
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And we compared those shoes
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with the shoes that we knew Nicola
had been wearing
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on the day that she’d disappeared.
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And we knew that she
had new pixie boots on.
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But it was quite clear they were not
the same shoes.
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Throughout all of these searches we kept
the Payne family fully up to date
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and fully informed.
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And I thought that was important because
it demonstrated to Nicola’s family
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that we wouldn’t give up searching for her
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and we would react to any new intelligence
or information that came to light.
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It was a huge area
and a massive police search.
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Huge resources put into it.
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But this witness appeared to be credible.
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And again, the family were caught up
in the expectation
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that this was going to be a breakthrough
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and even though he was in poor health,
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John Payne, Nicola’s father,
came down to the area.
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There was hope that something significant
would be found.
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We still had that hope of finding Nicola
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even after all what we knew
and what we’d been through.
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AMANDA EALES: You try not to
get your hopes up
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and we’re all quite good at saying that
we’re not gonna get our hopes up,
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but I think secretly inside you just can’t
help but think, is this gonna be it?
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You know, because surely at some point
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things have to change
and go in our favour.
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PETER WILSON: Once again, the police,
they said that they were confident.
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They said that if Nicola Payne
was at Coombe Abbey,
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they would find her.
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Unfortunately, they didn’t.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: After ten months
there was still no sign of Nicola
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and we couldn’t find any
evidence that she’d been there.
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AMANDA EALES:
We were completely deflated.
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We can’t always have everything
against us.
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One day someone will tell us
where she is
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and she will be there and we’ll get what
we need and what Nicola deserves.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: From the information
that we have
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and all of the intelligence that we have,
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my firm belief is that on the day
Nicola disappeared,
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at some point in the afternoon
she was brought here
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with the intention
to dispose of her here.
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I felt that we’d thoroughly
exhausted the search areas
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in Coombe Abbey Country Park.
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Certainly based on intelligence.
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But there are other areas of the park
still to be explored.
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And we’re waiting for that intelligence
to come forward
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to allow us to go in
and utilise all of our resources
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in those particular areas.
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It’s a vast Country Park.
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But my firm belief that Nicola
is buried either here
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or somewhere very close to
this area.
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I reminded myself of the very first
conversation I had with John and Marilyn.
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I said to them that I would
work tirelessly
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to try and bring those responsible for
Nicola's death death to justice.
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However, I might never
be able to tell them
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actually what happened to Nicola
on the day.
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PETER WILSON:
The police have learnt lessons,
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but there’s something like
a hundred thousand people
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every year leave their families,
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seem to go off the grid,
so it’s a huge number of people.
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It’s a tiny number of people
who are killed.
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And what helps most of all is,
unfortunately, when there’s a body there,
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because a body provides, especially now,
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so much evidence, so much information
that the police are able to follow up.
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When you haven’t got a body,
you don’t have access to any of that.
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HAZEL JOHNSON: This case could be resolved
forensically if we could find Nicola.
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At that scene we might find
a little bit of evidence.
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A piece of vegetation,
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a piece of soil that could link back
to something
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that we examined back in 1991.
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Equally, there could be something that
the offender has left behind.
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Cigarette end, a fingerprint.
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Again, something that would
actually resolve the case.
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I asked John and Marilyn
this question
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early on in the investigation,
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“If it was a choice between
bringing Nicola’s killers to justice
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or finding Nicola,
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which would you choose?”
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And overwhelmingly, without pausing
for breath, both said,
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“To bring Nicola home
and lay her to rest.”
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And that’s the fight now.
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And I would never give up on trying to
find Nicola’s remains
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and laying her to rest.
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Marilyn and John,
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all they ever wanted was to just
find out where she is.
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You know, that’s the priority.
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Justice is something else,
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but the absolute priority, and it still is
to this day, is where is she?
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I don’t think there is anyone
in this family that will ever say,
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you know what, we’re just gonna
let her stay out there
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wherever she is on her own.
Never.
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We’re always gonna look for her.
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MARTIN SLEVIN: What happened to Nicola
could happen to any woman.
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When I see stories similar to Nicola’s
in the national media,
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and whether it’s an abduction
and a missing person,
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or whether it’s a, you know, senseless
killing of a lone female,
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it saddens me.
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It saddens me we live in a society where
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women in particular can’t go about
their daily activities
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and business without fear of being
attacked, you know, murdered.
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REPORTER: Sarah Everard’s disappearance
has rocked the country,
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leaving women everywhere thinking,
it could have been me.
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Since Sarah’s death, 109 women
have been killed by men in the UK.
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On average it’s two every week.
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And whilst Sabina Nessa’s death took too
long to reach headlines,
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many don’t at all.
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That’s making women on these streets
feel unsafe.
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WOMAN: Sabina was meant to be out of
her house for five minutes.
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That’s 300 seconds.
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This girl could not go 300 seconds
in broad daylight.
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It is horrible to never be able to relax,
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to constantly have to be on your guard.
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Every time you see a story that there’s
a woman missing or been murdered,
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it just throws it all back again.
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It just reminds you,
it just kicks it all back in.
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‘Cause you put the memories
kind of away
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and then every time you hear a story,
they come forward to your mind again
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and it just all opens it all up again.
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I’m Jess Phillips, I’m the Labour MP
for Birmingham Yardley,
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and I am the Shadow Minister for
Domestic Abuse and Safeguarding.
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I’ve been working in the field of
violence against women and girls,
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or more accurately men’s violence
against women
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for nearly two decades now.
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REPORTER: Sarah Everard’s disappearance
has sent shockwaves throughout the UK,
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with many women taking to social media
to express their distress,
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but also their own personal strategies
to cope with the fear of attack
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when they walk alone at night,
or even in the day.
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JESS PHILLIPS: At least every two
or three days in our country a woman
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is murdered by a man.
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If the same rates of people were dying
week in, week out at football matches,
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during the football season,
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you’d take note, wouldn’t you?
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Tracy Kidd, Nelly Mustapha, Zahi Debi...
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The list I read out every year
is a list of the women
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known to have been killed,
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where a man is either the prime suspect
or who has been convicted.
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Kelly Stewart, Josephine Kaye...
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It’s called the Femicide Census, so it’s
a list of the femicides from that year.
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Shadika Mohsin Patel, Maureen Kidd,
Wendy Morse...
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We just tolerate the murder of women
as one of those things
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that just happens
as part of sort of society.
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And I read the list of names out
for that reason.
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To try and show the extremity of it.
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The trouble is, it is so well
settled in our life that, you know,
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generations, our heritage
is male domination
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in the culture and in
relationships literally of women,
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and unless you keep that pressure up
to change culture, it all slips back.
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And that, I fear, is where we are now.
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Yeah, I think that we are not in a time
where the tide is advancing
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in the direction of tackling this.
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I think it is in retreat.
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Huge cuts to services, huge cuts
to the criminal justice system.
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So I’m afraid that’s had a massive impact.
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Now the focus has to be on
educating men from a young age
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about how their behaviour can affect women
and make them feel unsafe.
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And make them stop and have
a zero tolerance approach.
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REPORTER: What needs to change to make
women feel less afraid on our streets?
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Some are arguing women have done
all they can, and enough is enough.
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These stories suddenly hit you every time.
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And it stirs it back up.
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And then your mind goes through
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and you’re like, what the families
are going through,
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you understand
what they’re going through.
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You see the parents.
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They’ve got the look that
my mum and dad had.
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And you just know they’re
heart breaking inside.
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REPORTER: The photographs
have started to fade,
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but memories and the torment of
not knowing what’s happened
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to their daughter, Nicola, has haunted
John and Marilyn Payne.
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I just want answers.
Just want to find her.
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Find out what’s happened to her.
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That’s all that matters
at the moment.
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I’ve gone through the whole of
the grieving process.
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All I need now, I’m just stuck at the end.
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I just need a body to lay to rest.
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There is very little support for families
who have suffered homicide.
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And there is even less support
for those where no justice is served.
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There needs to be way more
support and recognition of them
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as victims in their own right.
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I think every time I ever see that
a young girl’s gone missing on the telly,
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you just instantly feel for that family,
‘cause you’ve been there, you know.
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And you just really, really pray
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that they don’t have to suffer
for the length of time,
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even if it’s not a good outcome.
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But they don’t have to wait
like we’ve had to wait.
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I know my mum has reached out to
several other families
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and been part of their support,
and had discussions with them.
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And I know it relives it for my mum.
My mum lives it every day.
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My dad lives it every day.
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They say time is a healer.
Time is not a healer.
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You just get used to the pain
and it becomes normal.
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(clock ticking)
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Sadly, in 2017, I transferred from
West Midlands Police to DyfedPowys Police.
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And it was extremely difficult to tell
John and Marilyn that I was leaving.
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In some ways I felt like
I was abandoning them.
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I felt like I was letting them down.
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But I’ve remained resolute
in my promise to them.
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And I’ve supported a number of
campaigns and projects
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to continue to highlight
Nicola’s case.
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And I’ll go to my grave
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still working tirelessly
for the Payne family.
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I feel the police feel there’s
nothing else they can do.
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And they’ve done as much as they can do.
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And they’ve got no other leads
to chase and follow up.
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NIGEL PAYNE: I don’t know who to contact
if we get any more information.
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To me, there’s nobody on the case.
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There is people I can ring up
and like inform,
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but it’s not really
their baby anymore.
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To me it’s on a shelf somewhere.
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Same as quite a lot of others I presume.
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My name is Shaun Edwards.
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I’m Detective Superintendent
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and I’m Head of Homicide
for West Midlands Police.
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So the state of the investigation
is still very much open.
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It is one of those investigations that
are under the review team.
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We still monitor.
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Can’t begin to understand what the Payne
family must be going through
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over the last 30 years.
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It’s been termed a ‘never ending murder’
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and without Nicola being found,
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without people being brought to justice...
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I can see why that is called that.
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What I can say is
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the West Midlands Police,
and certainly the homicide team here,
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are committed that any credible
intelligence about Nicola’s whereabouts
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or evidence that will bring those to
justice who are responsible for that,
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we will follow that up.
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(clock ticking)
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Good evening.
The family of Nicola Payne,
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the Coventry mother who
went missing 26 years ago this week,
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have made a renewed appeal
to find her body.
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AMANDA EALES: I think after the trial,
it was very, very hard of any of us
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to get motivated to try and carry on
searching, appealing,
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I think everybody just felt
completely battered.
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But in time you shake it off.
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We’re quite good at doing that in our
family and we thought, you know what?
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It’s not over just because
the court says it is.
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We can still do things on our own.
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So we decided that as a family
to make a fresh appeal.
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Everybody got involved.
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And we just gave it
a new lease of life, really.
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Nicola Payne’s family are making
this anniversary, the 26th,
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the most personal
and the biggest yet.
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Family photos never released before.
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A video to be played at Coventry City
FC’s next home game.
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That wish to see Nicola returned
is stronger than ever before.
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Her parents are both now in their 70s.
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This was the moment when they realised
just how much their family are doing
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to keep alive their campaign.
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MARILYN PAYNE: It’s just been
the hardest year for her anniversary,
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because we’re getting older
and you just think,
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it’s not gonna happen
while we’re still on this Earth.
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We’ve always tried our best to keep
the story alive every year.
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Get things moving, but, you know,
I had to say to them a couple of years ago
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like, Nigel the oldest, I said,
“You’re gonna have to take over.
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I can’t handle it no more.”
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DALE PAYNE: Now me mum and dad
are getting older,
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it’s definitely coming down to us brothers
to keep it alive and keep the story going.
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And we’ll never give up
until we get answers.
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MELANIE EALES: Both Marilyn and John
have suffered in different ways.
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Marilyn will talk about it,
but John, he’s very withdrawn.
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He doesn’t like to talk about it,
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and it's definitely affected them
health wise.
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SCOTT PAYNE: It has took a great toll
on their health.
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It really has.
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Stress of it all.
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GARRY PAYNE:
They’ve been through so much.
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It seems to have hit my dad
really hard
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because she was the only girl
of five.
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She was like his little angel.
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His baby.
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And he didn’t go to bed for
about six months when it happened.
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He used to sit in the chair.
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He wouldn’t lock the door.
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Just sat in the chair,
waiting for her.
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He said, “I don’t lock her out
if she comes home.”
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Just sat there,
wouldn’t go to bed.
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And he’s a different man
since it happened.
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He’s just in a world of his own.
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Just in a world of his own.
Totally destroyed their life.
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Totally.
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It’s been very hard for us.
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We’ve lost our girl.
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And we could never get over it.
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Something you never get over.
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To watch your mum and dad
just disintegrate in front of your face,
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time and time again.
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It’s about having their hopes raised and
dashed, raised, dashed, raised, dashed.
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00:27:22,988 --> 00:27:27,028
Because we’ve had no luck
from day one.
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No luck in the ID parade,
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no luck in court,
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no luck in the search,
no luck in anything.
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So, I thought,
how can we keep this going?
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What can we do to keep
the story alive?
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And tried to breathe a bit more life
into it.
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So, okay, we’ll have a vigil.
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We’re gonna have like a candlelit vigil.
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(clock ticking)
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I said no, we’re not having it
on the Saturday,
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which would have been
when she went missing.
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We’re gonna have it the day before.
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Because my dad saw Nicola
on Friday evening.
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17 hours later she’s gone missing.
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I would love to know what happened
within them 17 hours.
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So, we’re trying to throw things
in the ring to spice it up a bit
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Let’s ask the awkward questions.
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Because, as a family, we are not happy
with that missing 17 hours
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and the answers we’re getting back.
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But the priority was to remember Nicola.
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It was very emotional.
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AMANDA EALES: We just thought it was
a really great opportunity
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for the community to come together
to show the family that they still care,
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that they haven’t forgotten.
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So, we did the vigil and we
called it #lightupherpath
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and we just asked people to bring a candle
or bring a torch or something
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and we walked the Black Pad,
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the path that she should have
taken home to safety,
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but obviously
didn’t manage that.
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ADELE DUNCAN: So it was nice to be
around her family, her friends,
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the local
community.
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And it just goes to show the support
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that the Payne family have around them.
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It was great to see that people
are still remembering.
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And even the new people on the estate
were out for it as well.
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It was really good that the community
is all still listening
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and involved in the case.
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00:30:07,748 --> 00:30:10,948
NIGEL PAYNE: Quite humbling the amount
of people turning up today.
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It’s a massive, massive thank you from me
and the family.
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00:30:14,188 --> 00:30:15,988
My mum and dad can’t be here today.
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00:30:16,028 --> 00:30:19,068
My mum’s not very well
at the moment and...
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00:30:19,428 --> 00:30:22,508
and Dad’s actually at home,
just like taking care of her.
447
00:30:22,788 --> 00:30:25,748
They’d love to be here
and they generally always are.
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00:30:26,148 --> 00:30:29,548
Again, this brings it home to myself
the age that they are,
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to try and get some sort of answer
just for them.
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00:30:36,388 --> 00:30:38,788
Yeah, I think the boys will never
let it lie.
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00:30:38,828 --> 00:30:40,868
They’ll do anything they can.
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And they’ve now got children
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and their children are quite keen
to keep it going.
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NIGEL PAYNE: I just can’t find
the words sometimes.
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And it’s great to see all
the younger members of the family,
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because although we’re getting old now,
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after 30 years of it there,
I know without a shadow of a doubt
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the younger members of
the family here will carry this on.
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00:31:08,268 --> 00:31:11,908
Yeah. Because we will never ever
stop looking.
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00:31:12,228 --> 00:31:13,948
Never ever give up.
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MALCOLM ROSS: I’m sure that everybody
in Coventry is aware of Nicky Payne.
462
00:31:23,388 --> 00:31:26,948
I think you could see that when
so many people turn up to the vigil.
463
00:31:26,988 --> 00:31:29,228
(applause)
464
00:31:32,708 --> 00:31:36,588
If you mention Nicky Payne’s name,
the vast majority of people say,
465
00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:37,988
“Oh, I remember that.”
466
00:31:38,068 --> 00:31:41,108
And it’s because of the efforts
of John and Marilyn
467
00:31:41,148 --> 00:31:43,508
to keep the story
going, and their family.
468
00:31:43,868 --> 00:31:44,948
One minute to us...
469
00:31:44,988 --> 00:31:47,188
MALCOLM ROSS: And I think it’s wonderful
what they’ve done.
470
00:31:47,428 --> 00:31:49,428
It’s been organised by family members,
471
00:31:49,468 --> 00:31:53,308
a vigil where around 80 people turned out
earlier this evening.
472
00:31:53,668 --> 00:31:57,148
And I’ve been talking to the family
about their quest
473
00:31:57,188 --> 00:31:59,668
to find the truth about Nicola.
474
00:31:59,788 --> 00:32:03,628
It means everything to the family because
it just shows us that other people,
475
00:32:03,668 --> 00:32:05,868
as well as us, want to keep this going,
476
00:32:05,908 --> 00:32:08,868
want to keep it alive,
and we’ll always remember Nicola.
477
00:32:08,908 --> 00:32:12,908
Talking to people here tonight, they all
said that they remember that weekend
478
00:32:13,108 --> 00:32:16,828
when Nicola disappeared, and everybody
just simply wanted to know the truth.
479
00:32:23,308 --> 00:32:26,148
I always thought this sort of thing
happens to other people,
480
00:32:26,188 --> 00:32:27,588
don’t happen to you.
481
00:32:27,908 --> 00:32:32,668
You see it in the news and that,
but it did.
482
00:32:33,988 --> 00:32:35,948
GARRY PAYNE: All sorts of things
are going through your head.
483
00:32:36,468 --> 00:32:37,748
They really are.
484
00:32:38,068 --> 00:32:41,988
One day revenge, next day leave it.
485
00:32:42,348 --> 00:32:47,228
After the trial, I just decided then,
just I’m putting it behind me.
486
00:32:47,268 --> 00:32:48,828
Putting it to rest.
487
00:32:49,028 --> 00:32:50,268
Getting on with my life.
488
00:32:56,628 --> 00:32:58,508
DALE PAYNE: It’s controlled our lives.
489
00:32:58,548 --> 00:33:00,188
All my brothers lives,
Mum and Dad’s lives.
490
00:33:00,228 --> 00:33:02,948
It’s kind of controlled it from that day.
491
00:33:03,348 --> 00:33:05,548
Any family meetings, any family dos,
492
00:33:05,588 --> 00:33:08,468
the conversation all comes generally
back to that.
493
00:33:08,628 --> 00:33:11,708
So, it’s hard to get away from it.
Very hard to get away from it.
494
00:33:11,748 --> 00:33:14,988
So, I chose to try and keep my children...
495
00:33:15,348 --> 00:33:18,348
They know about it, but they’re not
involved too much with it,
496
00:33:18,388 --> 00:33:22,588
and just let them try and lead their life
as good as they can.
497
00:33:25,468 --> 00:33:27,228
I moved away.
498
00:33:27,668 --> 00:33:31,868
It does help we’re not
seeing Coventry anymore.
499
00:33:32,388 --> 00:33:35,988
Not driving down the Henley Road
looking across at the fields.
500
00:33:36,268 --> 00:33:41,268
That helps, it not being there
consciously.
501
00:33:42,868 --> 00:33:45,068
But she’s always there.
She comes with me.
502
00:33:50,748 --> 00:33:55,068
MALCOLM ROSS: For me, it is
a significant case in my memory.
503
00:33:55,268 --> 00:33:58,668
Because I often wonder where is she?
504
00:33:59,228 --> 00:34:00,588
Who’s responsible?
505
00:34:00,628 --> 00:34:03,588
I often wonder how
Mr and Mrs Payne are coping with it.
506
00:34:04,028 --> 00:34:05,108
How the family are coping with it.
507
00:34:05,148 --> 00:34:06,908
How Owen is growing up without his mum.
508
00:34:07,148 --> 00:34:09,028
I often think about that.
509
00:34:09,428 --> 00:34:12,308
PETER WILSON:
It’s been a huge story for me.
510
00:34:12,348 --> 00:34:18,628
I’ve grown old, my hair’s gone grey,
I’ve actually retired.
511
00:34:18,668 --> 00:34:20,188
You know, you see so much.
512
00:34:23,268 --> 00:34:29,428
I’ve just been on the side-lines
but I’ve stood watching the Payne family
513
00:34:29,468 --> 00:34:33,268
and the anguish that they’ve gone through
514
00:34:33,308 --> 00:34:38,108
and you really feel,
as a human being, for them.
515
00:34:38,308 --> 00:34:43,708
One part of me is I keep saying
it’s the two M’s.
516
00:34:44,028 --> 00:34:46,468
I don’t know if I’m mourning
or just missing.
517
00:34:47,068 --> 00:34:50,108
And it’s that that you’re
torn apart with, you know.
518
00:34:53,708 --> 00:34:54,828
Throughout my police career
519
00:34:54,868 --> 00:34:58,188
I’ve been involved in some of
the most high profile investigations
520
00:34:58,228 --> 00:34:59,868
and murder investigations,
521
00:34:59,908 --> 00:35:03,468
but this is the one that leaves
the biggest scar, I’d say,
522
00:35:03,508 --> 00:35:06,548
on my career,
I guess, because it’s unsolved.
523
00:35:09,748 --> 00:35:14,628
We haven’t brought closure for
Nicola’s family by finding her body.
524
00:35:14,668 --> 00:35:17,668
We haven’t got a positive result at court.
525
00:35:18,268 --> 00:35:21,548
Which is why it’s incredibly important
that documentaries of this nature
526
00:35:21,588 --> 00:35:23,108
continue to be made,
527
00:35:23,188 --> 00:35:27,028
continue to highlight not only
Nicola’s case, but similar cases.
528
00:35:27,148 --> 00:35:30,108
This documentary
keeps the story of Nicola alive.
529
00:35:30,148 --> 00:35:32,228
It tells Nicola’s story.
530
00:35:36,268 --> 00:35:39,508
The last thing you would think is
531
00:35:39,908 --> 00:35:43,508
to be in a documentary
about your friend
532
00:35:43,548 --> 00:35:46,868
that’s been missing for 31 years nearly.
533
00:35:47,668 --> 00:35:51,348
It’s not something that
I am enjoying doing.
534
00:35:51,428 --> 00:35:55,908
However, I feel that I owe it to Nicky.
535
00:35:56,228 --> 00:35:59,068
SHAUN EDWARDS: Anything we can do
to keep this in the public’s mind,
536
00:35:59,108 --> 00:36:02,308
that can maybe trigger people’s memories,
537
00:36:02,428 --> 00:36:05,108
but equally, people’s allegiances change.
538
00:36:05,148 --> 00:36:08,028
They may well assist the police
and come forward.
539
00:36:08,068 --> 00:36:10,388
And things they thought
weren’t important at the time,
540
00:36:10,428 --> 00:36:12,588
more intelligence can come in
that we can act on
541
00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:14,948
to find Nicola
and bring justice to Nicola’s family.
542
00:36:18,388 --> 00:36:20,108
AMANDA EALES:
People’s loyalties change.
543
00:36:20,148 --> 00:36:21,748
People’s health deteriorates
544
00:36:21,788 --> 00:36:23,468
and they might have something
on their conscience
545
00:36:23,508 --> 00:36:26,868
that they just don’t want to
take with them to their death.
546
00:36:27,148 --> 00:36:29,788
I think any opportunity that we get
to tell this story
547
00:36:29,828 --> 00:36:33,628
and to let people listen to, there was
a girl called Nicola Payne
548
00:36:33,668 --> 00:36:37,068
and she disappeared off the face
of the Earth and nobody can tell us why.
549
00:36:37,108 --> 00:36:39,908
Because the alternative is that we just
all forget it and go away
550
00:36:39,948 --> 00:36:42,868
and you have to think, well, if that was
someone you cared about,
551
00:36:43,268 --> 00:36:45,828
would you just
give up? No, never.
552
00:36:48,028 --> 00:36:51,388
This is probably our last hope.
553
00:36:52,068 --> 00:36:56,948
This is something hopefully I can show
me mum and dad
554
00:36:57,748 --> 00:37:03,148
and say, we’ve done
everything we can.
555
00:37:04,668 --> 00:37:07,228
Where do we go from here?
I don’t know.
556
00:37:19,388 --> 00:37:22,068
When people go missing
and there’s nothing...
557
00:37:22,948 --> 00:37:25,028
it’s just, I don’t know,
there’s an emptiness.
558
00:37:25,068 --> 00:37:27,548
There’s just a...
there’s just a nothing.
559
00:37:28,548 --> 00:37:32,948
Hence, we wanted to do some
sort of memorial for Nicola.
560
00:37:33,108 --> 00:37:34,948
For me mum and dad,
‘cause they’re getting old.
561
00:37:43,708 --> 00:37:46,908
AMANDA EALES: So, recently we’ve had
a bench installed in memory of Nicola.
562
00:37:52,068 --> 00:37:53,708
Obviously we don’t have her body,
563
00:37:53,748 --> 00:37:56,308
we’ve got nowhere as a focal point
to go to.
564
00:37:56,988 --> 00:37:58,508
You know, if someone’s having a bad day
565
00:37:58,548 --> 00:38:01,988
or just go and have a chat,
you know, “I’ll meet you at the bench.”
566
00:38:02,308 --> 00:38:04,988
We feel like if she’s anywhere,
567
00:38:05,028 --> 00:38:08,508
she could sort of maybe channel herself
there and spend some time with us.
568
00:38:08,548 --> 00:38:11,588
And it’s just a really peaceful,
fitting tribute.
569
00:38:17,468 --> 00:38:20,068
Myself and Adele,
who is Nicky’s best friend,
570
00:38:20,108 --> 00:38:22,268
we would often go
and have a chat there.
571
00:38:22,908 --> 00:38:25,108
I took my best friends there to break
the news to them
572
00:38:25,148 --> 00:38:27,308
that I was expecting
my first baby.
573
00:38:27,668 --> 00:38:29,628
It’s almost like involving her
in the conversation,
574
00:38:29,668 --> 00:38:31,628
which, had she been here,
575
00:38:31,668 --> 00:38:35,628
then I’ve no doubt she would have been
and putting her penny’s worth in.
576
00:38:36,108 --> 00:38:39,748
So it’s including a lot of nice things
and a lot of sort of conversations
577
00:38:39,788 --> 00:38:43,308
and people go on their own
and have a reflection as well.
578
00:38:43,588 --> 00:38:45,668
It’s really important
that we’ve got that now.
579
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:52,108
ADELE DUNCAN: One evening Amanda
gave me a quick ring and said,
580
00:38:52,148 --> 00:38:55,548
“Do you mind coming up and meeting me?”
So we come up here.
581
00:38:55,868 --> 00:38:57,308
We had a look around
582
00:38:57,348 --> 00:39:02,588
and we decided that this is probably
the best spot for her to be.
583
00:39:02,628 --> 00:39:04,828
And it’s just nice.
584
00:39:04,868 --> 00:39:08,908
It’s peaceful, and it’s the place
to come and reflect.
585
00:39:09,628 --> 00:39:12,228
AMANDA EALES: So we never actually
told Nicky’s parents
586
00:39:12,268 --> 00:39:13,828
that the bench was a possibility,
587
00:39:13,868 --> 00:39:16,028
‘cause there was always a chance
it wasn’t gonna happen.
588
00:39:16,548 --> 00:39:18,348
But once it was finally installed,
589
00:39:18,388 --> 00:39:19,828
we came up and checked it,
590
00:39:19,868 --> 00:39:22,908
and then a few days later we brought them
up on a Sunday morning.
591
00:39:23,268 --> 00:39:24,868
A lot of the family were here.
592
00:39:24,908 --> 00:39:27,708
And we just walked them down
and surprised them with it.
593
00:39:34,308 --> 00:39:36,508
NIGEL PAYNE:
Bit of false pretences we got you here.
594
00:39:37,028 --> 00:39:38,148
Did ya?
595
00:39:38,268 --> 00:39:40,388
I don’t know where you thought
I was taking ya,
596
00:39:40,988 --> 00:39:43,268
but I bet you didn’t think
you were coming here, did ya?
597
00:39:43,628 --> 00:39:45,068
No, I should find him...
598
00:39:45,468 --> 00:39:47,028
MELANIE EALES:
Do you wanna come and sit down?
599
00:39:47,228 --> 00:39:48,268
NIGEL PAYNE:
Got you a little bench.
600
00:39:54,908 --> 00:39:57,308
JOHN PAYNE: They done it
and they surprised us about it.
601
00:39:57,908 --> 00:40:00,388
They said, “Oh, we’re taking you out
one Sunday morning,” and...
602
00:40:01,428 --> 00:40:03,948
“Where are they taking us?
Where are they taking us?”
603
00:40:05,348 --> 00:40:08,188
But when we see that, oh, it’s lovely.
Lovely, yeah.
604
00:40:12,068 --> 00:40:15,148
MELANIE EALES: Ah, they were overwhelmed.
Yeah, yeah.
605
00:40:15,188 --> 00:40:17,268
It really took them back,
606
00:40:17,508 --> 00:40:20,148
that now they’ve got somewhere
to just go and sit.
607
00:40:23,988 --> 00:40:27,628
JOHN PAYNE: The lads and the cousins,
they’re always thinking about it.
608
00:40:27,668 --> 00:40:28,828
They’re always trying to help us,
609
00:40:28,868 --> 00:40:32,668
anything to do with Nicola,
they’re always there.
610
00:40:34,948 --> 00:40:36,188
(laughs)
611
00:40:40,748 --> 00:40:42,508
AMANDA EALES: They were really
overcome with emotion,
612
00:40:42,548 --> 00:40:45,668
‘cause I think they’ve waited so long
to just have that place
613
00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:46,948
where they could just go and sit,
614
00:40:46,988 --> 00:40:49,228
because they’ve just been
in no man’s land, really.
615
00:40:49,268 --> 00:40:52,548
There’s never anywhere for them
to just remember her properly.
616
00:40:57,548 --> 00:40:59,708
DALE PAYNE:
The memorial bench was a great idea.
617
00:40:59,788 --> 00:41:02,188
I’ve been up a couple of times myself
since it’s been there.
618
00:41:02,228 --> 00:41:04,668
It is, it’s a really good touch.
It’s really good.
619
00:41:04,828 --> 00:41:07,148
My mum and dad love it.
They’re up there all the time.
620
00:41:07,188 --> 00:41:08,428
They’re always up there.
621
00:41:12,228 --> 00:41:16,948
JOHN PAYNE: Oh we’ll just go up there
and sit there for a while
622
00:41:16,988 --> 00:41:20,788
and just think about her.
623
00:41:21,148 --> 00:41:22,348
It’s just nice to...
624
00:41:22,988 --> 00:41:26,028
We’ve got somewhere we can go
and just think about her.
625
00:41:27,348 --> 00:41:30,308
Think, well, this is Nicola’s little spot.
626
00:41:30,468 --> 00:41:34,268
And we can come here, ‘cause we’d
got nowhere else before that.
627
00:41:34,828 --> 00:41:35,908
Nothing.
628
00:41:44,628 --> 00:41:49,708
This has gotta be one of the last...
probably the last picture of Nic.
629
00:41:49,748 --> 00:41:52,068
-Yeah, all of us together.
-We’ve got all of us.
630
00:41:52,108 --> 00:41:54,028
Yeah, like I say, she’s pregnant there.
631
00:41:54,668 --> 00:41:57,188
NIGEL PAYNE:
Now that’s Nan and Granddad’s 50th.
632
00:41:57,308 --> 00:41:59,908
And who would have thought
that’s our last picture together?
633
00:42:00,588 --> 00:42:02,988
DALE PAYNE: I do sometimes wonder
what she would be like now.
634
00:42:03,028 --> 00:42:04,348
She’d have been a doting mother.
635
00:42:04,468 --> 00:42:07,668
Well, she’d have had two or three
more kids and that.
636
00:42:07,708 --> 00:42:10,588
Which I think she would of, I think
she would have had a good family.
637
00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:13,788
And she always wanted a good sized family.
638
00:42:13,908 --> 00:42:17,228
DALE PAYNE: But I do think of her
as that girl, that cheeky little girl.
639
00:42:17,268 --> 00:42:20,788
Little sister all the time.
That's the last memories I’ve got.
640
00:42:22,348 --> 00:42:24,908
NIGEL PAYNE: You can take pictures
on your phone nowadays
641
00:42:24,948 --> 00:42:26,148
and you can have them all like that,
642
00:42:26,188 --> 00:42:30,268
but I don’t think it ever replaces
getting old pictures out.
643
00:42:30,588 --> 00:42:32,428
Just brings back good memories.
644
00:42:35,708 --> 00:42:37,868
It’s really strange how I imagine Nicola,
645
00:42:37,908 --> 00:42:41,308
because to me,
I’m still a child compared to her.
646
00:42:41,348 --> 00:42:43,028
I still look up to her,
I still idolise her,
647
00:42:43,068 --> 00:42:45,348
whereas she’s
actually frozen in time.
648
00:42:48,788 --> 00:42:50,268
RACHEL MOFFITT:
She’d always be 18.
649
00:42:50,308 --> 00:42:54,668
To think now we’re nearly 50,
it’s our whole lives gone, hasn’t it?
650
00:42:54,708 --> 00:42:58,588
She’s still as I seen her last.
651
00:42:58,628 --> 00:43:04,948
Forever young she’ll be.
18, curly hair, fun.
652
00:43:08,028 --> 00:43:09,948
She’ll always be that mischievous
little sister
653
00:43:09,988 --> 00:43:15,348
that got took away from me
and I’ll never be able to have again.
654
00:43:20,308 --> 00:43:21,948
I can still picture her.
655
00:43:22,948 --> 00:43:24,948
Once she stood at our door
on that Friday night,
656
00:43:24,988 --> 00:43:26,948
I can still see it in my mind.
657
00:43:27,948 --> 00:43:29,508
Her and our Owen.
658
00:43:30,748 --> 00:43:31,868
Hmm.
659
00:43:32,468 --> 00:43:34,348
And it’ll always be there.
660
00:43:36,668 --> 00:43:37,748
Yeah.
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