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[laughs] - [man] How you doing? 12 00:02:16,323 --> 00:02:17,423 Oh, wow. 13 00:02:17,523 --> 00:02:20,583 [inspector] It is exploitation of the individual 14 00:02:20,683 --> 00:02:22,963 at their most intimate level. 15 00:02:25,243 --> 00:02:26,623 [Nick] Why don't you care? 16 00:02:26,723 --> 00:02:29,543 These women are being mistreated by organised crime. 17 00:02:29,643 --> 00:02:30,743 You're making money 18 00:02:30,843 --> 00:02:32,843 out of these people's misery, aren't you? 19 00:02:34,483 --> 00:02:36,103 [Nick] It's not a small problem is what you're saying. 20 00:02:36,203 --> 00:02:38,263 It's not... It's not a small problem, no. 21 00:02:38,363 --> 00:02:39,543 [Nick] This is all top secret. 22 00:02:39,643 --> 00:02:42,343 - They had an undercover. - [woman] Yes. 23 00:02:42,443 --> 00:02:44,623 I've been an investigative journalist in Melbourne 24 00:02:44,723 --> 00:02:48,343 for, uh, don't know, a long time, 20 years. 25 00:02:48,443 --> 00:02:51,823 Human trafficking, it's come up again and again and again. 26 00:02:51,923 --> 00:02:53,063 And what does that say 27 00:02:53,163 --> 00:02:55,163 about our law enforcement, our regulation? 28 00:02:56,483 --> 00:02:58,483 I don't know how to answer that, Nick. 29 00:03:08,083 --> 00:03:10,383 Just when I say, "Put that down", 30 00:03:10,483 --> 00:03:12,643 put it down. Um... 31 00:03:17,803 --> 00:03:19,803 That guy totally just... 32 00:03:20,883 --> 00:03:22,543 just clocked us. 33 00:03:22,643 --> 00:03:24,063 Just bear with me. 34 00:03:24,163 --> 00:03:25,983 Just put that camera down for one sec. 35 00:03:26,083 --> 00:03:27,303 Let me get the park. 36 00:03:27,403 --> 00:03:30,063 Like, I appreciate why we need the doco camera here, 37 00:03:30,163 --> 00:03:34,663 but, the minute they see me with this or you with that, 38 00:03:34,763 --> 00:03:36,763 it's all for nothing. 39 00:03:38,163 --> 00:03:40,303 You might want to put it down. 40 00:03:40,403 --> 00:03:42,863 [disquieting music plays] 41 00:03:42,963 --> 00:03:45,743 The last few days, I've got two separate tip-offs 42 00:03:45,843 --> 00:03:47,583 from different sources. 43 00:03:47,683 --> 00:03:48,783 I can't really say where they work 44 00:03:48,883 --> 00:03:50,423 but they keep an eye on human trafficking, 45 00:03:50,523 --> 00:03:52,063 and both said the same thing. 46 00:03:52,163 --> 00:03:55,583 There's this notorious brothel that I've looked at before 47 00:03:55,683 --> 00:03:56,943 in respect of human trafficking, 48 00:03:57,043 --> 00:03:58,743 sex slavery, things like that, 49 00:03:58,843 --> 00:04:01,663 and it's trafficking women again. 50 00:04:01,763 --> 00:04:03,183 That's the strong intelligence. 51 00:04:03,283 --> 00:04:07,823 So, to get two different people from two different areas, 52 00:04:07,923 --> 00:04:10,063 without saying which areas they are, 53 00:04:10,163 --> 00:04:11,583 maybe it's law enforcement, 54 00:04:11,683 --> 00:04:15,583 maybe it's organised crime, but separately saying, 55 00:04:15,683 --> 00:04:17,983 "This brothel in Melbourne 56 00:04:18,083 --> 00:04:21,183 is at the centre of some trafficking as we speak," 57 00:04:21,283 --> 00:04:22,583 is extremely rare. 58 00:04:22,683 --> 00:04:23,783 And what do I do? 59 00:04:23,883 --> 00:04:25,543 What's the next step journalistically? 60 00:04:25,643 --> 00:04:26,943 As crude as it sounds, 61 00:04:27,043 --> 00:04:28,423 it's to go and look at the brothel 62 00:04:28,523 --> 00:04:30,223 to see who's coming and going, 63 00:04:30,323 --> 00:04:32,743 see if there's vans pulling up with women. 64 00:04:32,843 --> 00:04:36,183 If there is trafficking, often there's red flags. 65 00:04:36,283 --> 00:04:38,283 [device beeps] 66 00:04:39,323 --> 00:04:40,703 Because I've looked at trafficking 67 00:04:40,803 --> 00:04:42,103 at this place before, 68 00:04:42,203 --> 00:04:43,783 it's not very glamorous but you sit in your car 69 00:04:43,883 --> 00:04:47,483 and mostly you just see blokes going to the brothel. 70 00:04:48,243 --> 00:04:49,423 You sit here for hours 71 00:04:49,523 --> 00:04:51,803 and hopefully you don't need to go to the bathroom. 72 00:04:53,723 --> 00:04:55,723 There's a van pulling up. 73 00:04:56,723 --> 00:04:58,723 [device beeps] 74 00:05:04,323 --> 00:05:06,323 [engine starts] 75 00:05:09,563 --> 00:05:11,563 It's very hit and miss, obviously. 76 00:05:13,843 --> 00:05:15,843 It could be the management going to open. 77 00:05:17,323 --> 00:05:19,543 Just put the camera down. I'm just going to swing past 78 00:05:19,643 --> 00:05:21,643 just to get a closer look at this. 79 00:05:31,803 --> 00:05:33,803 G'day. I'm good, thanks. How you going? 80 00:05:35,123 --> 00:05:36,863 No, I have not seen it. 81 00:05:36,963 --> 00:05:38,383 Can I give you a hint today, 82 00:05:38,483 --> 00:05:39,623 and sit and just work on the piece, 83 00:05:39,723 --> 00:05:41,723 then publish it Wednesday? 84 00:05:42,043 --> 00:05:43,223 You know, I'm giving you my word, 85 00:05:43,323 --> 00:05:44,503 it's just me and him. 86 00:05:44,603 --> 00:05:47,163 I could even do it tonight, you know, it's just... 87 00:06:00,203 --> 00:06:02,263 [Nick] So, they're a few small clues 88 00:06:02,363 --> 00:06:04,223 in all these hours of vision 89 00:06:04,323 --> 00:06:06,383 which could be really important 90 00:06:06,483 --> 00:06:07,823 and could link us back 91 00:06:07,923 --> 00:06:10,423 to this notorious sex trafficking syndicate 92 00:06:10,523 --> 00:06:13,163 that the police tried to shut down years ago. 93 00:06:14,243 --> 00:06:15,823 And there's a numberplate 94 00:06:15,923 --> 00:06:19,183 which my team has linked to this guy called Kevin 95 00:06:19,283 --> 00:06:20,703 He's a ruthless standover man. 96 00:06:20,803 --> 00:06:22,943 And, it's fair to say, 97 00:06:23,043 --> 00:06:25,043 I know his story all too well. 98 00:06:28,603 --> 00:06:29,903 I've written about this guy 99 00:06:30,003 --> 00:06:32,003 time and time again ten years ago. 100 00:06:32,923 --> 00:06:34,983 It was him that put me on the path, 101 00:06:35,083 --> 00:06:37,183 or the investigation, into the question of - 102 00:06:37,283 --> 00:06:39,443 is human trafficking happening in Australia? 103 00:06:42,163 --> 00:06:44,163 Fuck... 104 00:06:55,283 --> 00:06:57,703 Trafficking research. 105 00:06:57,803 --> 00:07:00,183 It's years, years worth of research. 106 00:07:00,283 --> 00:07:02,963 I mean, been looking at trafficking since 2009. 107 00:07:08,803 --> 00:07:12,223 And these are the accounts of South Korean women 108 00:07:12,323 --> 00:07:16,983 who were working as sex workers for a trafficking syndicate, 109 00:07:17,083 --> 00:07:19,083 and they talk about Kevin. 110 00:07:19,603 --> 00:07:22,243 "Kevin was the one responsible for watching over the girls. 111 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:25,703 Kevin told me he wished to be called... 112 00:07:25,803 --> 00:07:27,803 'Laoda', big boss. 113 00:07:28,603 --> 00:07:31,863 I began speaking to Kevin, pleading with him to let me go. 114 00:07:31,963 --> 00:07:34,783 He did not even show that he heard what I was saying. 115 00:07:34,883 --> 00:07:36,983 Over the two months that I worked as a sex worker 116 00:07:37,083 --> 00:07:39,063 in Melbourne against my will, 117 00:07:39,163 --> 00:07:42,743 I believe that I had sex with over 400 men. 118 00:07:42,843 --> 00:07:45,063 These people are controlling my body, 119 00:07:45,163 --> 00:07:46,743 but I should have control 120 00:07:46,843 --> 00:07:49,163 over the destiny of my mind, at least." 121 00:07:53,763 --> 00:07:55,183 There's heaps I can't tell you 122 00:07:55,283 --> 00:07:58,503 about the leaked information I've got from a whole range 123 00:07:58,603 --> 00:08:01,343 of different sources to protect those sources, 124 00:08:01,443 --> 00:08:05,263 but the links to this syndicate operating again at Number 39 125 00:08:05,363 --> 00:08:07,623 and possibly to Kevin, is an early breakthrough. 126 00:08:07,723 --> 00:08:09,723 It's big, it's a big deal. 127 00:08:14,763 --> 00:08:16,963 This is my old human trafficking file. 128 00:08:19,483 --> 00:08:20,623 Years ago, 129 00:08:20,723 --> 00:08:21,983 I wrote about this young Melbourne guy. 130 00:08:22,083 --> 00:08:23,463 His name is Abraham Papo. 131 00:08:23,563 --> 00:08:25,423 Fell in love with a South Korean. 132 00:08:25,523 --> 00:08:26,983 She was a sex worker. 133 00:08:27,083 --> 00:08:28,863 He thought that she'd been trafficked, 134 00:08:28,963 --> 00:08:30,383 and he went to save her life. 135 00:08:30,483 --> 00:08:32,223 He ran into Kevin [bleep]. 136 00:08:32,323 --> 00:08:34,663 There was an altercation and, ultimately, 137 00:08:34,763 --> 00:08:38,203 Kevin killed him, bashed him to death. 138 00:08:39,323 --> 00:08:42,063 And, from that, everything else fell out, 139 00:08:42,163 --> 00:08:44,623 the whole seedy picture. 140 00:08:44,723 --> 00:08:46,263 But, you gotta understand, 141 00:08:46,363 --> 00:08:48,863 back then I wasn't investigating human trafficking. 142 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:51,983 The Kevin [bleep] story was about a murder. 143 00:08:52,083 --> 00:08:54,643 [4 Corners theme music plays] 144 00:08:56,083 --> 00:08:57,383 [female tv host] Abraham Papo's death 145 00:08:57,483 --> 00:08:59,823 occurred against a sordid backdrop, 146 00:08:59,923 --> 00:09:02,983 the world of human trafficking, debt bondage 147 00:09:03,083 --> 00:09:04,863 and sexual servitude. 148 00:09:04,963 --> 00:09:07,623 His girlfriend had been working at this brothel. 149 00:09:07,723 --> 00:09:10,823 She had rung him to say she'd been moved to Sydney 150 00:09:10,923 --> 00:09:12,783 and was being physically abused. 151 00:09:12,883 --> 00:09:14,943 She had begged him to help her. 152 00:09:15,043 --> 00:09:17,823 [tv host] Do you think Abraham was going to try to save her? 153 00:09:17,923 --> 00:09:19,143 Definitely. 154 00:09:19,243 --> 00:09:21,143 [female tv host] Abraham Papo walked into the brothel 155 00:09:21,243 --> 00:09:23,183 to confront the owner. 156 00:09:23,283 --> 00:09:25,143 Someone grabbed a tyre lever. 157 00:09:25,243 --> 00:09:26,423 There was a fight, 158 00:09:26,523 --> 00:09:29,183 and the 27-year-old was bashed to death. 159 00:09:29,283 --> 00:09:33,583 Abraham Papo died in his car trying to get away. 160 00:09:33,683 --> 00:09:36,743 Abraham Papo's killer, known as Kevin [bleep], 161 00:09:36,843 --> 00:09:39,983 a convicted criminal and veteran of the sex trade, 162 00:09:40,083 --> 00:09:43,583 who worked at the brothel, claimed it was self-defence. 163 00:09:43,683 --> 00:09:46,063 Papo's family doesn't believe it. 164 00:09:46,163 --> 00:09:48,143 He was silenced, he was murdered. 165 00:09:48,243 --> 00:09:50,923 Brutally, brutally killed. 166 00:09:55,083 --> 00:09:57,543 [Nick] Right now, we're driving off to meet David Papo. 167 00:09:57,643 --> 00:09:59,983 Now, David is the brother of Abraham. 168 00:10:00,083 --> 00:10:01,183 [David] Hey, mate. 169 00:10:01,283 --> 00:10:03,463 G'day, just letting you know we're on time. 170 00:10:03,563 --> 00:10:05,623 We'll be there three minutes early. 171 00:10:05,723 --> 00:10:06,983 Oh, for fuck's sake. 172 00:10:07,083 --> 00:10:09,463 Alright, I'll start cleaning the house. 173 00:10:09,563 --> 00:10:11,943 [Nick] David, in fact, the whole Papo family, 174 00:10:12,043 --> 00:10:16,463 are obviously massively traumatised from the killing. 175 00:10:16,563 --> 00:10:18,863 But Kevin would never have been charged with murder 176 00:10:18,963 --> 00:10:22,983 if it wasn't for what I dug up ten years ago. 177 00:10:23,083 --> 00:10:26,983 That was massive at the time but he was found not guilty. 178 00:10:27,083 --> 00:10:28,543 Um... 179 00:10:28,643 --> 00:10:30,463 It's our system, you respect the system, 180 00:10:30,563 --> 00:10:33,703 but there's bad shit went on back then. 181 00:10:33,803 --> 00:10:35,143 A man lost his life, 182 00:10:35,243 --> 00:10:37,463 a woman was probably human trafficked, 183 00:10:37,563 --> 00:10:39,563 but the crooks got away with it. 184 00:10:40,883 --> 00:10:42,703 It's one of the blessings of this job. 185 00:10:42,803 --> 00:10:44,063 You get to meet really good people 186 00:10:44,163 --> 00:10:45,263 and brave people. 187 00:10:45,363 --> 00:10:46,743 I mean, we're asking him to speak out 188 00:10:46,843 --> 00:10:48,143 about an organised crime gang. 189 00:10:48,243 --> 00:10:49,783 He's a bloke who lives in the suburbs 190 00:10:49,883 --> 00:10:51,183 with wife and a kid. 191 00:10:51,283 --> 00:10:52,503 It's no small thing for him. 192 00:10:52,603 --> 00:10:54,183 I've got the backing of a big company behind me 193 00:10:54,283 --> 00:10:55,503 to keep me safe. 194 00:10:55,603 --> 00:10:58,503 So, for him to speak up and be willing to go on camera 195 00:10:58,603 --> 00:11:01,963 and confront this stuff, that's absolutely gutsy. 196 00:11:17,283 --> 00:11:18,863 - Long time no see. - It's been a long time. 197 00:11:18,963 --> 00:11:20,143 - How are you? - Good, good. 198 00:11:20,243 --> 00:11:22,463 - That's the way. - Where should we plonk down? 199 00:11:22,563 --> 00:11:25,183 Um, wherever you want to sit. It's really up to you. 200 00:11:25,283 --> 00:11:26,503 Hi! 201 00:11:26,603 --> 00:11:28,383 How you going? 202 00:11:28,483 --> 00:11:30,563 What a nice surprise! 203 00:11:31,323 --> 00:11:32,703 [Deanna chuckles] 204 00:11:32,803 --> 00:11:35,543 - I wasn't expecting you. - Of course I'd come. 205 00:11:35,643 --> 00:11:37,183 [Nick] Alright, um... 206 00:11:37,283 --> 00:11:39,283 - [Deanna] So good to see you. - [Nick] Likewise. 207 00:11:40,683 --> 00:11:43,783 My journey, while there's been, you know, 208 00:11:43,883 --> 00:11:45,103 stings happening recently, 209 00:11:45,203 --> 00:11:47,303 really starts with Abraham's death. 210 00:11:47,403 --> 00:11:48,663 That's the only reason I got interested 211 00:11:48,763 --> 00:11:50,303 in human trafficking. 212 00:11:50,403 --> 00:11:52,103 Doing this has made me think about Abraham a lot. 213 00:11:52,203 --> 00:11:54,503 I've re-read the stories, I've watched the 4 Corners, 214 00:11:54,603 --> 00:11:55,823 and just thought about him. 215 00:11:55,923 --> 00:11:58,303 Even though I never met him, I feel like I know him. 216 00:11:58,403 --> 00:12:00,403 What do you miss most about him? 217 00:12:01,083 --> 00:12:03,223 Probably his laughter. 218 00:12:03,323 --> 00:12:04,823 Um... yeah. 219 00:12:04,923 --> 00:12:06,503 [Nick] It's alright... 220 00:12:06,603 --> 00:12:08,383 You're making me tear up now. 221 00:12:08,483 --> 00:12:10,223 Grab a glass of water or something if you need. 222 00:12:10,323 --> 00:12:11,463 I'm all good. Its... 223 00:12:11,563 --> 00:12:13,103 It's good to remember but it's hard. 224 00:12:13,203 --> 00:12:14,783 [Nick] Yeah, I can imagine. Um... 225 00:12:14,883 --> 00:12:17,103 Someone called me, one of Abraham's mates, 226 00:12:17,203 --> 00:12:19,023 and said, "This is bullshit. 227 00:12:19,123 --> 00:12:21,803 You know, he's been killed but no-one's been charged." 228 00:12:22,603 --> 00:12:24,503 And there's this trafficking thing. 229 00:12:24,603 --> 00:12:27,303 He had a girlfriend and she's probably trafficked. 230 00:12:27,403 --> 00:12:30,343 And putting that all together and publishing that story 231 00:12:30,443 --> 00:12:32,703 and finally getting the coroner to say, 232 00:12:32,803 --> 00:12:34,803 "No, there's something more here". 233 00:12:35,203 --> 00:12:36,783 And then the relief of someone being... 234 00:12:36,883 --> 00:12:38,303 Kevin being charged, 235 00:12:38,403 --> 00:12:40,543 but then... 236 00:12:40,643 --> 00:12:42,583 what's your feeling these years later 237 00:12:42,683 --> 00:12:44,923 about the fact that Kevin got away with it all? 238 00:12:46,083 --> 00:12:48,623 [David] You could see the way the trial was panning out. 239 00:12:48,723 --> 00:12:52,463 If you can't find him 100% guilty of murder, 240 00:12:52,563 --> 00:12:53,863 then he's innocent. 241 00:12:53,963 --> 00:12:55,463 And that was the massive turning point 242 00:12:55,563 --> 00:12:56,703 where I'm sitting there going, 243 00:12:56,803 --> 00:12:58,383 "This guy's gonna... he's gonna walk away." 244 00:12:58,483 --> 00:13:00,303 Did you ever lock eyes on Kevin? 245 00:13:00,403 --> 00:13:02,023 I did. 246 00:13:02,123 --> 00:13:04,743 What did you see in him when you looked... looked at him? 247 00:13:04,843 --> 00:13:06,383 - Nothing. - Mm. 248 00:13:06,483 --> 00:13:09,103 - No emotion, no nothing. - Mm. 249 00:13:09,203 --> 00:13:12,023 The last few weeks, weird as my job sometimes is, 250 00:13:12,123 --> 00:13:14,663 I've been sitting outside some brothels, 251 00:13:14,763 --> 00:13:17,343 the brothels that the same syndicate run, 252 00:13:17,443 --> 00:13:19,583 trying to find evidence of human trafficking. 253 00:13:19,683 --> 00:13:21,683 Let me show you something. 254 00:13:28,483 --> 00:13:30,483 - Do you recognise him? - Yeah. 255 00:13:31,763 --> 00:13:33,103 Like, I was shocked. 256 00:13:33,203 --> 00:13:35,303 He's running a legal, licensed brothel. 257 00:13:35,403 --> 00:13:37,343 I find it inexplicable. 258 00:13:37,443 --> 00:13:38,663 Um... 259 00:13:38,763 --> 00:13:42,103 I mean, for me, it says nothing changes. 260 00:13:42,203 --> 00:13:43,863 He's driving an expensive Audi. 261 00:13:43,963 --> 00:13:46,783 His life goes on, and he's doing exactly the same thing 262 00:13:46,883 --> 00:13:49,343 and the state, the powers that be 263 00:13:49,443 --> 00:13:51,443 don't seem to be able to stop it. 264 00:13:52,363 --> 00:13:53,463 Don't seem to be able to 265 00:13:53,563 --> 00:13:58,303 or don't want to or not interested? 266 00:13:58,403 --> 00:14:00,403 Mm. 267 00:14:02,923 --> 00:14:05,463 I've got nothing wrong with a guy going to a brothel, 268 00:14:05,563 --> 00:14:07,343 but to know that there's women out there 269 00:14:07,443 --> 00:14:09,843 that aren't doing this of their own free will is... 270 00:14:11,083 --> 00:14:12,983 It's really sad. 271 00:14:13,083 --> 00:14:15,783 Abraham, the night that he died, he was... 272 00:14:15,883 --> 00:14:17,743 Like, why did he care so much about Sun-ju? 273 00:14:17,843 --> 00:14:19,303 Why did he care so much about this woman? 274 00:14:19,403 --> 00:14:20,543 He was in love with her. 275 00:14:20,643 --> 00:14:23,183 I mean, he'd spent his last, you know, 276 00:14:23,283 --> 00:14:24,983 two years of his life with her. 277 00:14:25,083 --> 00:14:28,583 Um, you know, got her completely out of that environment, 278 00:14:28,683 --> 00:14:31,823 helping support her, you know, teaching her English. 279 00:14:31,923 --> 00:14:33,423 Still got some DVDs... 280 00:14:33,523 --> 00:14:37,563 Sorta can't bring myself to watch, but yeah. Um... 281 00:14:38,643 --> 00:14:41,103 I can't tell you how much, like, Abraham's face, that photo, 282 00:14:41,203 --> 00:14:43,223 is just burnt into my brain. 283 00:14:43,323 --> 00:14:44,783 Obviously, I look a lot like him, 284 00:14:44,883 --> 00:14:47,543 but a bit, obviously, larger and fatter. 285 00:14:47,643 --> 00:14:50,583 But I find it hard to look at myself in the mirror. 286 00:14:50,683 --> 00:14:52,683 Yeah. 287 00:14:53,203 --> 00:14:55,203 Oh, Jesus Christ, mate. 288 00:14:57,683 --> 00:14:58,823 Um... [Nick chuckles] 289 00:14:58,923 --> 00:15:01,383 That's probably why I've let myself go a bit. 290 00:15:01,483 --> 00:15:03,483 Let's have a cup of tea. 291 00:15:06,643 --> 00:15:08,643 Life is [bleep] up sometimes, isn't it? 292 00:15:13,523 --> 00:15:15,103 That's the thing about being a journalist, 293 00:15:15,203 --> 00:15:16,543 you can be let into people's lives, 294 00:15:16,643 --> 00:15:17,983 not just, like, a little bit. 295 00:15:18,083 --> 00:15:19,983 They let you fully into their lives, 296 00:15:20,083 --> 00:15:21,583 and they share their pain and their suffering, 297 00:15:21,683 --> 00:15:23,983 and that's... 298 00:15:24,083 --> 00:15:25,303 How can you not be fired up 299 00:15:25,403 --> 00:15:27,763 to push on when that's happening? 300 00:15:31,043 --> 00:15:32,623 It would be easy to be cynical. 301 00:15:32,723 --> 00:15:35,383 I reported on human trafficking in great detail 302 00:15:35,483 --> 00:15:37,183 12 years ago, ten years ago. 303 00:15:37,283 --> 00:15:38,423 There was big headlines. 304 00:15:38,523 --> 00:15:41,403 There was promises of reform and change. 305 00:15:43,523 --> 00:15:46,103 We've got to keep the spotlight on this. 306 00:15:46,203 --> 00:15:48,803 We've got to keep telling the public what's going on. 307 00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:55,883 If we start with the Melbourne syndicate. 308 00:15:56,723 --> 00:15:57,983 The story of the Melbourne syndicate 309 00:15:58,083 --> 00:15:59,223 is pretty simple. 310 00:15:59,323 --> 00:16:00,583 It's a syndicate that's been running 311 00:16:00,683 --> 00:16:02,683 for over ten years. 312 00:16:03,443 --> 00:16:04,703 We know their modus operandi 313 00:16:04,803 --> 00:16:06,143 is to bring in hundreds of women, 314 00:16:06,243 --> 00:16:07,503 largely from South Korea, 315 00:16:07,603 --> 00:16:10,543 and they use often debt bondage to trap them 316 00:16:10,643 --> 00:16:12,543 and, to pay it off, they have to have sex 317 00:16:12,643 --> 00:16:15,263 with man after man after man. 318 00:16:15,363 --> 00:16:18,503 One of the key leaders is Mae Ja Kim. 319 00:16:18,603 --> 00:16:20,263 She's the boss. 320 00:16:20,363 --> 00:16:23,103 She works with a guy called Simon Pan, 321 00:16:23,203 --> 00:16:24,463 an alleged crime figure. 322 00:16:24,563 --> 00:16:27,063 It's his brothel, Number 39. 323 00:16:27,163 --> 00:16:29,663 And then there's Kevin [bleep], the muscle. 324 00:16:29,763 --> 00:16:31,783 The AFP do a big investigation 325 00:16:31,883 --> 00:16:35,223 and, in 2014, they finally crack Mae Ja Kim. 326 00:16:35,323 --> 00:16:37,183 They don't get her for human trafficking, though, 327 00:16:37,283 --> 00:16:39,663 they get her for lesser organised crime offences. 328 00:16:39,763 --> 00:16:42,143 Still, she goes to jail for four years. 329 00:16:42,243 --> 00:16:43,703 But even while she's in jail 330 00:16:43,803 --> 00:16:45,503 and the word in the underworld 331 00:16:45,603 --> 00:16:47,823 is that she's still running the business. 332 00:16:47,923 --> 00:16:49,383 The information we have today 333 00:16:49,483 --> 00:16:50,943 is the syndicate is still running, 334 00:16:51,043 --> 00:16:53,043 and running red hot. 335 00:17:00,963 --> 00:17:02,223 The AFP 336 00:17:02,323 --> 00:17:04,983 has agreed to give me access to some of the investigators 337 00:17:05,083 --> 00:17:06,743 to get the inside story 338 00:17:06,843 --> 00:17:08,843 as to how they took on the syndicate. 339 00:17:09,403 --> 00:17:10,703 But, in talking to them, 340 00:17:10,803 --> 00:17:12,863 you've gotta understand, as well, they're police. 341 00:17:12,963 --> 00:17:16,183 The AFP is a guarded, secretive institution. 342 00:17:16,283 --> 00:17:18,283 So, we'll see what we get. 343 00:17:40,683 --> 00:17:41,783 [clapperboard snaps] 344 00:17:41,883 --> 00:17:43,143 [man] Nick's camera. 345 00:17:43,243 --> 00:17:44,383 [clapperboard snaps] 346 00:17:44,483 --> 00:17:45,743 We'd heard things about a syndicate 347 00:17:45,843 --> 00:17:48,663 that, you know, was bringing in Korean women. 348 00:17:48,763 --> 00:17:52,423 And we'd heard things about Mae Ja Kim. 349 00:17:52,523 --> 00:17:54,463 We wanted to find out who she was, 350 00:17:54,563 --> 00:17:56,863 and that's when we realised it was really difficult 351 00:17:56,963 --> 00:17:59,143 to find out who she was and where she was. 352 00:17:59,243 --> 00:18:02,343 No credit cards. I don't think she had any bank accounts. 353 00:18:02,443 --> 00:18:04,543 She had no property in her name. 354 00:18:04,643 --> 00:18:05,743 Cash, cash, cash. 355 00:18:05,843 --> 00:18:08,503 She was a very disciplined individual. 356 00:18:08,603 --> 00:18:10,223 At the time, she had ten managers 357 00:18:10,323 --> 00:18:12,263 and each of those basically had ten women, 358 00:18:12,363 --> 00:18:14,863 so she had 100 sex workers working for her 359 00:18:14,963 --> 00:18:16,963 at any given time. 360 00:18:18,123 --> 00:18:19,743 She needs Korean sex workers 361 00:18:19,843 --> 00:18:22,763 because the demand in Melbourne at the time was for Korean. 362 00:18:23,883 --> 00:18:27,123 She had a couple of facilitators in South Korea. 363 00:18:28,163 --> 00:18:30,823 Anyone that was working in the sex industry there, 364 00:18:30,923 --> 00:18:32,583 they'd find out if they had a debt 365 00:18:32,683 --> 00:18:34,623 and then they'd offer them a trip to Australia 366 00:18:34,723 --> 00:18:36,723 to pay off their debt. 367 00:18:37,843 --> 00:18:40,503 [James] They would be charged exorbitant amounts 368 00:18:40,603 --> 00:18:42,103 for the flight to come out. 369 00:18:42,203 --> 00:18:43,343 [camera clicks] 370 00:18:43,443 --> 00:18:45,903 For transport to and from the brothels. 371 00:18:46,003 --> 00:18:47,183 [camera clicks] 372 00:18:47,283 --> 00:18:49,343 If they fail to turn up to work, they would be fined. 373 00:18:49,443 --> 00:18:50,543 [camera clicks] 374 00:18:50,643 --> 00:18:52,623 Botox and hair and clothing 375 00:18:52,723 --> 00:18:54,663 would probably be about $10,000 worth. 376 00:18:54,763 --> 00:18:56,983 And this would all be added onto their debt, 377 00:18:57,083 --> 00:18:59,083 and it would just compound and compound. 378 00:19:00,123 --> 00:19:01,943 There was one particular individual 379 00:19:02,043 --> 00:19:03,223 who let us know 380 00:19:03,323 --> 00:19:05,143 that her original debt 381 00:19:05,243 --> 00:19:08,383 of somewhere around $40,000 382 00:19:08,483 --> 00:19:10,983 ended up being in the vicinity of $80,000, 383 00:19:11,083 --> 00:19:13,083 and this is all cash money. 384 00:19:13,643 --> 00:19:15,223 [Danielle] I remember being really shocked. 385 00:19:15,323 --> 00:19:17,823 You walk into the back rooms and, you know, the girls are all 386 00:19:17,923 --> 00:19:21,063 sitting there and along the wall is Listerine and antibiotics. 387 00:19:21,163 --> 00:19:23,743 When people are turning clients over 388 00:19:23,843 --> 00:19:27,143 eight, 12, 15 a night, that does a lot of damage, 389 00:19:27,243 --> 00:19:29,983 and it's really hard to fathom 390 00:19:30,083 --> 00:19:32,423 that any individual could do this to someone 391 00:19:32,523 --> 00:19:34,943 over and over and over again 392 00:19:35,043 --> 00:19:36,943 'cause it's a commodity that keeps giving. 393 00:19:37,043 --> 00:19:39,143 You know, it's an endless resource. 394 00:19:39,243 --> 00:19:42,583 [James] It is exploitation of the individual 395 00:19:42,683 --> 00:19:44,923 at their most intimate level. 396 00:19:46,083 --> 00:19:47,983 [Nick] Of this 100 women, 397 00:19:48,083 --> 00:19:50,503 how many of them would have faced fear, coercion, 398 00:19:50,603 --> 00:19:53,223 debt bondage, intimidation? 399 00:19:53,323 --> 00:19:54,823 [Danielle] I think pretty much all of them. 400 00:19:54,923 --> 00:19:57,263 We're talking about no choice, no control, 401 00:19:57,363 --> 00:20:00,063 no safety and no way of getting out. 402 00:20:00,163 --> 00:20:02,423 [James] The nature of the business model 403 00:20:02,523 --> 00:20:05,223 that she had was that people would be able 404 00:20:05,323 --> 00:20:07,183 to work their way up in the syndicate, 405 00:20:07,283 --> 00:20:09,063 and then control people themselves, 406 00:20:09,163 --> 00:20:11,223 and make profit from exploiting those 407 00:20:11,323 --> 00:20:13,843 that were themselves having been exploited. 408 00:20:14,763 --> 00:20:17,743 There's a phone call that is quite significant for us 409 00:20:17,843 --> 00:20:18,983 in the investigation, 410 00:20:19,083 --> 00:20:21,063 which we refer to as the 10-year phone call 411 00:20:21,163 --> 00:20:23,143 where Mae Ja is berating her sister 412 00:20:23,243 --> 00:20:25,543 about how bad things are going, 413 00:20:25,643 --> 00:20:28,783 and that these are the worst figures that we've had 414 00:20:28,883 --> 00:20:30,743 in ten years, this particular week. 415 00:20:30,843 --> 00:20:34,023 And that week, Mae Ja made $82,500. 416 00:20:34,123 --> 00:20:36,063 This is a tape record of the interview between 417 00:20:36,163 --> 00:20:38,183 Detective Leading Senior Constable James Cheshire 418 00:20:38,283 --> 00:20:39,423 and Mae Ja Kim. 419 00:20:39,523 --> 00:20:40,743 We believe that you have 420 00:20:40,843 --> 00:20:42,783 organised for females from Korea... 421 00:20:42,883 --> 00:20:46,143 [translator speaks foreign language] 422 00:20:46,243 --> 00:20:48,503 to come to work in brothels in Melbourne... 423 00:20:48,603 --> 00:20:52,343 [translator speaks foreign language] 424 00:20:52,443 --> 00:20:56,823 that you control who works at which brothel 425 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:58,223 and when they work. 426 00:20:58,323 --> 00:20:59,783 [Mae Ja speaks foreign language] 427 00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:02,023 [translator] 428 00:21:02,123 --> 00:21:05,023 [Mae Ja speaks foreign language] 429 00:21:05,123 --> 00:21:06,423 [translator speaks foreign language] 430 00:21:06,523 --> 00:21:07,943 [Mae Ja speaks foreign language] 431 00:21:08,043 --> 00:21:10,263 [translator] 432 00:21:10,363 --> 00:21:14,023 [Mae Ja speaks foreign language] 433 00:21:14,123 --> 00:21:16,123 [translator] 434 00:21:16,923 --> 00:21:19,263 [translator] 435 00:21:19,363 --> 00:21:21,743 [Mae Ja speaks foreign language] 436 00:21:21,843 --> 00:21:23,543 [translator] 437 00:21:23,643 --> 00:21:26,183 Hannah, I spoke before about the fact 438 00:21:26,283 --> 00:21:28,743 that we've intercepted a large number of... 439 00:21:28,843 --> 00:21:31,063 Sorry, we've intercepted a number of phone calls 440 00:21:31,163 --> 00:21:32,503 about the operations 441 00:21:32,603 --> 00:21:36,583 of what we will allege in court is your syndicate. 442 00:21:36,683 --> 00:21:38,343 [translator speaks foreign language] 443 00:21:38,443 --> 00:21:39,703 [James] We decided that 444 00:21:39,803 --> 00:21:43,383 we would put the 10-year phone call to her, 445 00:21:43,483 --> 00:21:45,623 and we started playing that call. 446 00:21:45,723 --> 00:21:48,423 [phone ringing] 447 00:21:48,523 --> 00:21:51,223 [women speaking foreign language on phone] 448 00:21:51,323 --> 00:21:53,343 [James] It was less than about 30 seconds in 449 00:21:53,443 --> 00:21:56,943 before she asked me to stop playing it 450 00:21:57,043 --> 00:21:59,163 and asked for the interview to be ended. 451 00:22:03,043 --> 00:22:06,083 [women speaking foreign language on phone] 452 00:22:12,083 --> 00:22:13,663 What would you like to tell me, Hannah? 453 00:22:13,763 --> 00:22:15,463 [translator speaks foreign language] 454 00:22:15,563 --> 00:22:17,563 [translator] 455 00:22:18,963 --> 00:22:20,963 You want to tell me, "No"? 456 00:22:22,283 --> 00:22:24,783 [Mae Ja speaks foreign language] 457 00:22:24,883 --> 00:22:26,883 [translator] 458 00:22:27,323 --> 00:22:28,983 [James] It was a moment there 459 00:22:29,083 --> 00:22:31,103 where it was clear between her and I 460 00:22:31,203 --> 00:22:33,203 that she knew that we had her. 461 00:22:40,243 --> 00:22:42,183 [Nick] What do these photos show? 462 00:22:42,283 --> 00:22:44,463 So, these are photos taken from the commencement 463 00:22:44,563 --> 00:22:47,103 of the warrants within Mae Ja Kim's apartment 464 00:22:47,203 --> 00:22:48,543 on Southbank. 465 00:22:48,643 --> 00:22:52,103 [James] We knew that Mae Ja was quite the big spender 466 00:22:52,203 --> 00:22:54,203 at high-end boutiques. 467 00:22:54,923 --> 00:22:58,283 One wall, a dressing table there full of designer label perfumes. 468 00:22:59,483 --> 00:23:01,423 [Danielle] And that's a wall of shoes. 469 00:23:01,523 --> 00:23:03,023 And when you look at those, I mean, 470 00:23:03,123 --> 00:23:04,983 you're talking about shoes that are, you know, 471 00:23:05,083 --> 00:23:07,083 $500 a pair and up. 472 00:23:07,603 --> 00:23:08,823 [Nick] It's insane. 473 00:23:08,923 --> 00:23:11,383 [James] Several hundred thousand dollars worth of bags. 474 00:23:11,483 --> 00:23:12,623 [Danielle] Easily. 475 00:23:12,723 --> 00:23:15,463 [Nick] It's actually quite a striking image. 476 00:23:15,563 --> 00:23:20,263 Each bag is the exploitation of many dozens of women. 477 00:23:20,363 --> 00:23:22,783 [Nick] What does that say about her psychology? Is it...? 478 00:23:22,883 --> 00:23:25,023 Are we looking at the former sex worker 479 00:23:25,123 --> 00:23:27,623 turned manager turned big boss, saying, 480 00:23:27,723 --> 00:23:29,503 "I've made it, I've left the past behind, 481 00:23:29,603 --> 00:23:30,823 I'm now in charge"? 482 00:23:30,923 --> 00:23:32,923 Greed and power, I think, being known. 483 00:23:34,563 --> 00:23:36,783 There's something really striking 484 00:23:36,883 --> 00:23:40,863 about seeing ordinary names here. 485 00:23:40,963 --> 00:23:43,383 Like, it's a reminder these are people. 486 00:23:43,483 --> 00:23:48,283 Jessica, Nadia, Jay, Sasha, Eva. 487 00:23:49,563 --> 00:23:52,123 - [James] And young people. - Young people, yeah. 488 00:23:53,443 --> 00:23:57,703 How soon after Mae Ja Kim left jail did the intel start 489 00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,143 trickling in that she might be back up to her old ways? 490 00:24:00,243 --> 00:24:02,243 Very quickly. 491 00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:13,583 [Nick] How many times have you made this trip 492 00:24:13,683 --> 00:24:17,383 on the trail of Mae Ja Kim and that crime syndicate? 493 00:24:17,483 --> 00:24:19,483 [James] Countless. 494 00:24:22,043 --> 00:24:25,063 There's 39 there. Does that bring back memories? 495 00:24:25,163 --> 00:24:27,063 Mm. 496 00:24:27,163 --> 00:24:30,183 This is certainly open and running. 497 00:24:30,283 --> 00:24:32,283 Absolutely. 498 00:24:34,963 --> 00:24:36,983 [James] You know, it's crime hiding in plain sight. 499 00:24:37,083 --> 00:24:39,383 You don't actually see the impact. 500 00:24:39,483 --> 00:24:41,983 You know, if you drive along one of these streets 501 00:24:42,083 --> 00:24:43,943 and see a shop with a broken window, 502 00:24:44,043 --> 00:24:45,543 you see that there's crime going on there 503 00:24:45,643 --> 00:24:46,823 or you see ambulances 504 00:24:46,923 --> 00:24:49,503 and police cars parked at someone who's been beaten up. 505 00:24:49,603 --> 00:24:50,983 You can actually see that. 506 00:24:51,083 --> 00:24:53,063 But, you know, behind closed doors 507 00:24:53,163 --> 00:24:55,163 in a brothel, what's actually going on? 508 00:24:58,763 --> 00:25:01,383 You said before you'd like to think that 509 00:25:01,483 --> 00:25:04,263 there wasn't still the same tale of misery happening 510 00:25:04,363 --> 00:25:09,103 behind the four walls of 39, yet you suspect it probably is. 511 00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:12,223 Is that just the cynical detective in you 512 00:25:12,323 --> 00:25:13,983 or is that just, that's organised crime? 513 00:25:14,083 --> 00:25:16,343 I'd like to think it wasn't just the cynical detective. 514 00:25:16,443 --> 00:25:19,863 But I think, if you have a look at what's been going on, 515 00:25:19,963 --> 00:25:21,223 you have a look at the people 516 00:25:21,323 --> 00:25:23,543 that are still around the environment, 517 00:25:23,643 --> 00:25:27,483 that it seems more than likely that that's still occurring. 518 00:25:39,403 --> 00:25:43,063 So, we're gonna meet our undercover, 519 00:25:43,163 --> 00:25:44,583 our potential undercover. 520 00:25:44,683 --> 00:25:46,063 This is our first time 521 00:25:46,163 --> 00:25:48,743 we're gonna have a chat with this guy, 522 00:25:48,843 --> 00:25:51,863 and see if he's prepared to go and start helping us explore 523 00:25:51,963 --> 00:25:56,063 this Asian underground sex industry 524 00:25:56,163 --> 00:25:58,163 and the organised criminals behind it. 525 00:26:16,123 --> 00:26:20,263 [Nick] The idea is we send you to target the sites 526 00:26:20,363 --> 00:26:22,023 where we think this is happening, 527 00:26:22,123 --> 00:26:23,583 ask, "Can I have a service?" 528 00:26:23,683 --> 00:26:25,743 See how far you go. 529 00:26:25,843 --> 00:26:28,243 So, will you be comfortable doing that, number one? 530 00:26:32,923 --> 00:26:35,963 Do you have a feel for Chinese organised crime? 531 00:26:40,283 --> 00:26:41,583 Like, are you quick on your feet? 532 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:43,543 Are you good to... If something hairy jumps up, 533 00:26:43,643 --> 00:26:45,643 do you feel comfortable about dealing with it? 534 00:26:48,923 --> 00:26:50,303 'Cause one real basic thing 535 00:26:50,403 --> 00:26:51,983 is we can't have you having sex with anybody. 536 00:26:52,083 --> 00:26:53,183 Nah, nah. 537 00:26:53,283 --> 00:26:54,543 - Let's put that on the table. - Yeah. 538 00:26:54,643 --> 00:26:56,663 So, how do you then...? How do you talk your way out of that? 539 00:26:56,763 --> 00:26:58,463 Is it, "I've got a sore back, I'm impotent, 540 00:26:58,563 --> 00:27:00,563 I just want to talk, I'm just lonely"? 541 00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:04,463 And, I guess, one thing to think about, 542 00:27:04,563 --> 00:27:05,983 if we are successful, 543 00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:07,743 and maybe we don't... maybe we're not, 544 00:27:07,843 --> 00:27:09,823 but, if we are, there's every chance that... 545 00:27:09,923 --> 00:27:11,303 And we hope there's a royal commission 546 00:27:11,403 --> 00:27:12,983 into human trafficking. 547 00:27:13,083 --> 00:27:14,303 All this vision, one day, 548 00:27:14,403 --> 00:27:15,583 you might be called to the stand, 549 00:27:15,683 --> 00:27:17,023 I might be called to the stand. 550 00:27:17,123 --> 00:27:19,943 Mindful, at every step, we are lawful... 551 00:27:20,043 --> 00:27:22,043 - Yeah, yeah. - ethical and the rest of it. 552 00:27:23,923 --> 00:27:25,983 [Nick] I mean, it's a good test, I think. 553 00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:27,783 Then we can look at the vision you've got, 554 00:27:27,883 --> 00:27:30,943 see how you are on your feet and get a sense 555 00:27:31,043 --> 00:27:33,163 of what it's gonna look like and how you can do it. 556 00:27:40,323 --> 00:27:42,383 Yeah, yeah. 557 00:27:42,483 --> 00:27:43,583 Yeah. 558 00:27:43,683 --> 00:27:45,863 [James] So, this is Tope St we're turning into now. 559 00:27:45,963 --> 00:27:48,203 And then we're a couple of blocks up. 560 00:27:49,243 --> 00:27:51,243 [man] Yeah. Alright. 561 00:27:55,963 --> 00:27:57,263 Is it here? 562 00:27:57,363 --> 00:27:59,363 Here, you reckon? 563 00:28:00,083 --> 00:28:02,083 Hey, mate. 564 00:28:07,563 --> 00:28:09,563 Hey, mate. Ta. 565 00:28:12,203 --> 00:28:13,463 [man] Bit cold? 566 00:28:13,563 --> 00:28:15,563 - Oh yeah. - Freezing. 567 00:28:18,403 --> 00:28:20,403 Yeah. 568 00:28:34,243 --> 00:28:36,243 Hello. 569 00:28:41,923 --> 00:28:43,923 - Tegan. - How you going? 570 00:28:49,363 --> 00:28:53,343 Hey, how you going? What's your name? Vicky? 571 00:28:53,443 --> 00:28:56,103 I see a world that's very hard to look into 572 00:28:56,203 --> 00:28:59,663 by just going undercover and walking into a brothel. 573 00:28:59,763 --> 00:29:03,143 You know, we're only going undercover out of desperation 574 00:29:03,243 --> 00:29:05,523 because we don't have any way of glimpsing into this world. 575 00:29:06,603 --> 00:29:08,863 But, ultimately, the heart of this story is 576 00:29:08,963 --> 00:29:10,103 what is the experience 577 00:29:10,203 --> 00:29:13,523 of those women who are on the inside? 578 00:29:14,483 --> 00:29:16,383 But it's bloody hard to find anyone 579 00:29:16,483 --> 00:29:17,823 who's willing to talk to us. 580 00:29:17,923 --> 00:29:19,703 Why? Of course, they're scared. 581 00:29:19,803 --> 00:29:22,143 You know, we've been trying for weeks and weeks now 582 00:29:22,243 --> 00:29:25,363 to get victims to talk to us, and it's extremely difficult. 583 00:29:33,203 --> 00:29:34,663 Hi, Jiyoon. 584 00:29:34,763 --> 00:29:39,343 We know some of the victims are back in Seoul or in South Korea. 585 00:29:39,443 --> 00:29:42,503 Even if I succeed in finding one, 586 00:29:42,603 --> 00:29:48,623 it'd be really, really difficult for her to come on camera and... 587 00:29:48,723 --> 00:29:51,063 - Yeah, I'll try my best. - OK. 588 00:29:51,163 --> 00:29:52,583 - Nice meeting you. - Be in touch. 589 00:29:52,683 --> 00:29:54,683 See ya, take care. 590 00:30:01,523 --> 00:30:03,823 I've just been given a call from a source. 591 00:30:03,923 --> 00:30:05,663 That brothel we've been targeting, number 39, 592 00:30:05,763 --> 00:30:08,423 the AFP have just raided that, like, literally just raided it, 593 00:30:08,523 --> 00:30:11,023 and it's something to do with some women from Asia 594 00:30:11,123 --> 00:30:14,023 who've come to Australia and been taken to the brothel, 595 00:30:14,123 --> 00:30:17,063 and then have fled or left there and told the police 596 00:30:17,163 --> 00:30:18,943 that they've allegedly been coerced 597 00:30:19,043 --> 00:30:20,623 or held against their will or threatened 598 00:30:20,723 --> 00:30:21,823 or something like that. 599 00:30:21,923 --> 00:30:25,063 So, our undercover guys were there 24 hours ago. 600 00:30:25,163 --> 00:30:27,503 I think we've stumbled right into the middle 601 00:30:27,603 --> 00:30:29,663 of a human traffic investigation, which is good, 602 00:30:29,763 --> 00:30:32,123 it shows that our intel is right. 603 00:30:41,603 --> 00:30:42,703 So, a bit of a breakthrough. 604 00:30:42,803 --> 00:30:44,343 We're just heading to the airport now. 605 00:30:44,443 --> 00:30:47,663 Our South Korean collaborator, a female journalist, Jiyoon, 606 00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,343 has found a victim who might be willing to go on camera. 607 00:30:50,443 --> 00:30:52,423 If we can convince her to talk to us, 608 00:30:52,523 --> 00:30:54,183 it's gonna be exactly what we need 609 00:30:54,283 --> 00:30:56,703 to keep getting to the bottom of what's been going on. 610 00:30:56,803 --> 00:30:58,803 Thanks very much. 611 00:31:01,603 --> 00:31:03,343 [male announcer] Late customers in line, 612 00:31:03,443 --> 00:31:05,443 to proceed urgently... 613 00:31:22,803 --> 00:31:24,803 [phone beeps] 614 00:31:26,123 --> 00:31:27,223 [phone rings] 615 00:31:27,323 --> 00:31:28,503 [Jiyoon] Hello? 616 00:31:28,603 --> 00:31:30,743 - Hi, Jiyoon? - Yes. 617 00:31:30,843 --> 00:31:34,783 We've just arrived in Seoul, but I've got some bad news. 618 00:31:34,883 --> 00:31:36,823 OK? 619 00:31:36,923 --> 00:31:38,743 I've tested positive to COVID. 620 00:31:38,843 --> 00:31:42,383 - Oh, no. - Yeah. Oh, no. 621 00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:44,063 I have to go in quarantine now for seven days. 622 00:31:44,163 --> 00:31:45,303 [Jiyoon] My goodness. 623 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:47,263 Yeah. Well, I'm hoping you can really help us out here. 624 00:31:47,363 --> 00:31:49,703 Is the victim still willing to talk to you, 625 00:31:49,803 --> 00:31:51,503 and is that all going ahead smoothly? 626 00:31:51,603 --> 00:31:53,023 [Jiyoon] Oh... 627 00:31:53,123 --> 00:31:56,543 Actually, I heard that she's still... 628 00:31:56,643 --> 00:31:59,623 She feels still sceptical about media. 629 00:31:59,723 --> 00:32:01,183 I'm sort of desperate. 630 00:32:01,283 --> 00:32:03,283 We need your help. 631 00:32:39,523 --> 00:32:43,143 I'm stuck in my hotel quarantine with COVID in South Korea. 632 00:32:43,243 --> 00:32:44,583 It's pretty tense for me here 633 00:32:44,683 --> 00:32:48,223 because I'm just waiting for news from our crew, 634 00:32:48,323 --> 00:32:51,063 which has travelled down to the safe house, to see 635 00:32:51,163 --> 00:32:54,143 if this human trafficking victim has shown up to tell her story. 636 00:32:54,243 --> 00:32:57,063 This victim actually was trafficked by the very syndicate 637 00:32:57,163 --> 00:32:59,223 that we're tracking in Melbourne, Australia. 638 00:32:59,323 --> 00:33:01,223 So, to hear from her to hear about 639 00:33:01,323 --> 00:33:04,283 how vulnerable women are treated is just vital. 640 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:13,523 [greets in Korean] 641 00:33:15,443 --> 00:33:17,463 Hi! 642 00:33:17,563 --> 00:33:18,943 - Hello. - Hi. 643 00:33:19,043 --> 00:33:20,463 - Nice meeting you. - You, too. 644 00:33:20,563 --> 00:33:25,783 As a reporter, it's my first time doing a story like this. 645 00:33:25,883 --> 00:33:30,783 So, for me, yeah, it's new and difficult. 646 00:33:30,883 --> 00:33:32,143 It's really important 647 00:33:32,243 --> 00:33:34,543 not to approach this kind of issue 648 00:33:34,643 --> 00:33:36,623 with some kind of judgment. 649 00:33:36,723 --> 00:33:43,583 These are people who experienced very horrific situations, 650 00:33:43,683 --> 00:33:49,703 so, um, I don't want to become a reporter 651 00:33:49,803 --> 00:33:53,763 who, um, hurts their feeling again. 652 00:33:55,243 --> 00:33:57,463 - [Nick] Good luck. - Thank you. 653 00:33:57,563 --> 00:33:58,823 [woman] Thank you. 654 00:33:58,923 --> 00:34:00,923 - Talk to you later. - [woman] OK. 655 00:36:46,083 --> 00:36:48,163 - Hey, mate, how are ya? - Take a seat. 656 00:38:51,923 --> 00:38:53,183 [Jiyoon] How do you say it? 657 00:38:53,283 --> 00:38:56,723 I kind of respected her strongness, I guess. 658 00:39:04,083 --> 00:39:08,063 In Korea, people's general thinking about this industry 659 00:39:08,163 --> 00:39:12,943 is that women go into that industry voluntarily, 660 00:39:13,043 --> 00:39:16,043 so it's... we don't have to have pity on them. 661 00:39:27,603 --> 00:39:29,603 [uplifting music plays] 662 00:41:02,723 --> 00:41:05,463 - Jiyoon. - Oh, hi, nice meeting you. 663 00:41:05,563 --> 00:41:07,183 - Finally. - Finally. 664 00:41:07,283 --> 00:41:08,383 Nice to meet you, too, yeah. 665 00:41:08,483 --> 00:41:10,063 Oop. 666 00:41:10,163 --> 00:41:12,163 [lift door beeps] 667 00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:15,423 It's, like, ten times better than our office. 668 00:41:15,523 --> 00:41:18,063 This is my... my filthy desk. 669 00:41:18,163 --> 00:41:20,103 Let me show you something before... 670 00:41:20,203 --> 00:41:22,063 This might be, just, slightly helpful. 671 00:41:22,163 --> 00:41:23,543 Are we not filming? 672 00:41:23,643 --> 00:41:25,863 Yeah, we just don't... Just be careful what you say. 673 00:41:25,963 --> 00:41:27,963 Oh. 674 00:41:29,563 --> 00:41:31,563 We'll talk more off-camera about that. 675 00:41:33,363 --> 00:41:35,223 So, were you scared when you were meeting him? 676 00:41:35,323 --> 00:41:38,383 Not really because I was at a coffee shop 677 00:41:38,483 --> 00:41:40,063 and there were a lot of people, 678 00:41:40,163 --> 00:41:42,183 so he wasn't very suspicious about me. 679 00:41:42,283 --> 00:41:43,743 And did he say you have to go to school? 680 00:41:43,843 --> 00:41:45,583 He said you don't have to go to school. 681 00:41:45,683 --> 00:41:47,023 He actually advertises like that. 682 00:41:47,123 --> 00:41:48,223 Yeah, yeah. 683 00:41:48,323 --> 00:41:49,543 So, it's a total rort, it's a scam. 684 00:41:49,643 --> 00:41:51,643 - Yeah. - Yeah. 685 00:42:30,443 --> 00:42:32,303 Excuse me, can I just interrupt? 686 00:42:32,403 --> 00:42:34,423 I'm Nick McKenzie from the Australian media. 687 00:42:34,523 --> 00:42:36,143 We know you've been helping women 688 00:42:36,243 --> 00:42:37,583 come to Australia from Korea, 689 00:42:37,683 --> 00:42:39,503 working for a sex syndicate. 690 00:42:39,603 --> 00:42:41,603 They're being abused. They're being trafficked. 691 00:42:42,283 --> 00:42:44,283 Yeah, yeah, many many women. Why do you do this? 692 00:42:47,643 --> 00:42:50,203 We can talk outside, we'll talk outside, yeah. 693 00:42:54,603 --> 00:42:57,023 All these women, you bring to Australia, you know... 694 00:42:57,123 --> 00:42:59,443 You know they're being exploited. 695 00:43:15,123 --> 00:43:17,063 I am recording you. I'm asking you some questions. 696 00:43:17,163 --> 00:43:19,063 You've helped all these women come to Australia, 697 00:43:19,163 --> 00:43:20,743 working for an organised crime syndicate. 698 00:43:20,843 --> 00:43:22,843 How do you justify that? 699 00:43:25,443 --> 00:43:26,623 Do you know what happens...? 700 00:43:26,723 --> 00:43:29,483 Do you know what happens to the women that you help come here? 701 00:43:41,883 --> 00:43:44,203 I think I'm drawing him out. She's ballsy. 702 00:43:45,483 --> 00:43:48,203 I did think for a second he was gonna punch me in the face. 703 00:43:54,683 --> 00:43:56,983 God! [Jiyoon laughs] 704 00:43:57,083 --> 00:43:59,283 - What happened? - Oh! 705 00:44:00,443 --> 00:44:03,743 He keeps saying that he's not involved with it anymore. 706 00:44:03,843 --> 00:44:05,183 - Did he know Mae Ja Kim? - Yeah. 707 00:44:05,283 --> 00:44:06,383 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 708 00:44:06,483 --> 00:44:07,703 He said, "Mimi Noona", 709 00:44:07,803 --> 00:44:09,423 which means 'really close sister'. 710 00:44:09,523 --> 00:44:11,583 'Noona' means 'close sister'. 711 00:44:11,683 --> 00:44:13,263 As in she was his close sister? 712 00:44:13,363 --> 00:44:14,503 - Yeah. - Yeah. 713 00:44:14,603 --> 00:44:17,983 - I'm gonna call Mae Ja Kim now. - Oh, OK. 714 00:44:18,083 --> 00:44:21,823 Ah, she's probably more likely to talk to you, isn't she? 715 00:44:21,923 --> 00:44:26,303 She'll feel more comfortable if I talk to her in Korean, yeah. 716 00:44:26,403 --> 00:44:28,983 So, I've been told, like, from my policing sources 717 00:44:29,083 --> 00:44:31,363 she's extremely dangerous... 718 00:44:32,563 --> 00:44:34,963 extremely cunning, and just be really, really careful. 719 00:44:37,323 --> 00:44:39,323 [phone ringtone plays] 720 00:44:40,523 --> 00:44:41,863 Mm. 721 00:44:41,963 --> 00:44:43,963 - Yeah. - No. 722 00:44:44,723 --> 00:44:46,783 She's famous for changing her number, so... 723 00:44:46,883 --> 00:44:48,063 - All the time, right? - Yeah. 724 00:44:48,163 --> 00:44:50,463 So, these numbers could be dead. 725 00:44:50,563 --> 00:44:51,863 [phone ringing] 726 00:44:51,963 --> 00:44:53,223 - It's ringing. - Mm. 727 00:44:53,323 --> 00:44:56,403 Hello. It's Nick McKenzie. You were wanting to talk to me? 728 00:45:02,323 --> 00:45:05,263 I was the journalist yesterday. I met... 729 00:45:05,363 --> 00:45:07,963 I confronted you yesterday with Jiyoon. 730 00:45:18,443 --> 00:45:21,863 Ah, but, Doowon... Doowon, no, no. 731 00:45:21,963 --> 00:45:24,663 You know they're working for Mae Ja Kim, 732 00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:25,863 you know she's a criminal? 733 00:45:25,963 --> 00:45:27,963 You know she exploits women? 734 00:45:30,723 --> 00:45:32,423 Why don't you care? These women... 735 00:45:32,523 --> 00:45:34,743 These women are being mistreated by organised crime. 736 00:45:34,843 --> 00:45:36,843 Why don't you care? 737 00:45:45,843 --> 00:45:48,143 No, I'm a journalist and, no, of course, you don't have to answer 738 00:45:48,243 --> 00:45:50,483 my questions, but you're the one who wanted to talk to me. 739 00:45:53,883 --> 00:45:56,123 That's... Sorry, don't get cute. 740 00:45:57,083 --> 00:45:59,083 Jiyoon said you really wanted to talk to me. 741 00:46:02,483 --> 00:46:06,223 Perspectives like Doowon is kind of problem. 742 00:46:06,323 --> 00:46:07,703 Yeah. 743 00:46:07,803 --> 00:46:09,663 You know, these people, lawyers, the accountants, 744 00:46:09,763 --> 00:46:11,663 the fixers, the visa migration agents, 745 00:46:11,763 --> 00:46:13,983 they're the handmaidens of organised crime. 746 00:46:14,083 --> 00:46:16,503 The gangster needs the migration fixer, 747 00:46:16,603 --> 00:46:18,623 who needs the accountant, who needs the lawyer. 748 00:46:18,723 --> 00:46:21,183 These people are, "Oh, I'm just a guy in a suit. 749 00:46:21,283 --> 00:46:22,703 I don't know where... 750 00:46:22,803 --> 00:46:26,023 The girls end up in a brothel, it's not my fault. I'm not..." 751 00:46:26,123 --> 00:46:27,983 And it's like, "No, no, you are the infrastructure 752 00:46:28,083 --> 00:46:29,343 of organised crime. 753 00:46:29,443 --> 00:46:30,823 Without you, it doesn't function." 754 00:46:30,923 --> 00:46:33,223 And I really hope we get to expose them. 755 00:46:33,323 --> 00:46:35,143 I hope Australian people care. 756 00:46:35,243 --> 00:46:37,983 I'm scared that we'll do all this work 757 00:46:38,083 --> 00:46:43,463 and, uh, the audience will see a blacked-out face 758 00:46:43,563 --> 00:46:46,543 and they'll say, "It's just an Asian sex worker. 759 00:46:46,643 --> 00:46:48,143 Who cares?" 760 00:46:48,243 --> 00:46:52,143 Demand, supply. Prostitution, the world's oldest profession. 761 00:46:52,243 --> 00:46:55,823 People have different views, so some would and some wouldn't, 762 00:46:55,923 --> 00:47:02,943 but I think, still, it's our job to tell the story 763 00:47:03,043 --> 00:47:10,143 that human trafficking is wrong and it's more sophisticated 764 00:47:10,243 --> 00:47:13,943 than you think, and anybody can be victims. 765 00:47:14,043 --> 00:47:16,043 Mm. 766 00:47:19,083 --> 00:47:22,743 The same thing motivates me that it did ten years ago, 767 00:47:22,843 --> 00:47:25,743 is, ultimately, who's paying the biggest price out of all this? 768 00:47:25,843 --> 00:47:27,843 It's people. 769 00:47:28,643 --> 00:47:30,543 This is real people 770 00:47:30,643 --> 00:47:34,283 and they deserve to have their rights protected. 771 00:47:37,123 --> 00:47:38,663 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 772 00:47:38,763 --> 00:47:41,083 - Shall we go grab a seat? - Yeah, let's grab a seat. 773 00:47:42,363 --> 00:47:45,343 You've been into brothels, been a sex worker yourself. 774 00:47:45,443 --> 00:47:48,543 How do we say to Johnny public, 775 00:47:48,643 --> 00:47:52,543 "How do we humanise and ensure 776 00:47:52,643 --> 00:47:57,063 we care more about sex workers, especially foreign sex workers?" 777 00:47:57,163 --> 00:47:58,983 Essentially, we have this big problem 778 00:47:59,083 --> 00:48:01,543 where migrant sex workers from Asia 779 00:48:01,643 --> 00:48:04,983 are either seen, on one hand, seen as a victim 780 00:48:05,083 --> 00:48:08,063 but, on the other hand, they're also seen as criminals. 781 00:48:08,163 --> 00:48:11,223 On top of the existing what we call whorephobia, 782 00:48:11,323 --> 00:48:15,823 you have layers of kind of racism and xenophobia 783 00:48:15,923 --> 00:48:17,263 come into play. 784 00:48:17,363 --> 00:48:20,623 People forget that these are human beings, 785 00:48:20,723 --> 00:48:25,983 that, regardless of what you think of this person's choices, 786 00:48:26,083 --> 00:48:29,303 they are entitled to basic human rights. 787 00:48:29,403 --> 00:48:31,983 If there is trafficking happening in the workplace, 788 00:48:32,083 --> 00:48:35,263 why are you not looking after the workers? 789 00:48:35,363 --> 00:48:36,983 Why are you not ensuring 790 00:48:37,083 --> 00:48:39,463 that the workers are receiving protection? 791 00:48:39,563 --> 00:48:43,383 The response is shut it down, get them out of here. 792 00:48:43,483 --> 00:48:45,263 [Nick] Which is keeping people who might think 793 00:48:45,363 --> 00:48:47,303 they're being exploited silent. 794 00:48:47,403 --> 00:48:50,063 If they go to the police, they may not be believed 795 00:48:50,163 --> 00:48:52,743 or arrested themselves and deported. 796 00:48:52,843 --> 00:48:54,463 What incentive is there for somebody 797 00:48:54,563 --> 00:48:56,183 to come forward in that situation? 798 00:48:56,283 --> 00:48:59,063 Do you think we have created a second class of worker 799 00:48:59,163 --> 00:49:01,423 in Australia? Someone without the rights 800 00:49:01,523 --> 00:49:03,383 of someone who may have been born here? 801 00:49:03,483 --> 00:49:06,423 As Australian citizens, we are willing 802 00:49:06,523 --> 00:49:11,503 to benefit off the labour of migrant workers, 803 00:49:11,603 --> 00:49:14,183 but unwilling to provide them any rights, 804 00:49:14,283 --> 00:49:18,103 and the Australian public, Australian Government, 805 00:49:18,203 --> 00:49:20,283 is complicit in that exploitation. 806 00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:23,803 Who are the crooks in this scenario? 807 00:49:25,483 --> 00:49:28,743 Well, you know, I think that there's a... 808 00:49:28,843 --> 00:49:31,843 There's a lot of crooks in this scenario, really. 809 00:49:46,163 --> 00:49:50,783 Over the road is a massage centre in Hawthorn, 810 00:49:50,883 --> 00:49:52,883 it's pretty wealthy suburban Melbourne. 811 00:49:53,923 --> 00:49:57,183 So, the story the source tells is, basically, Mae Ja Kim 812 00:49:57,283 --> 00:50:01,203 is still operating, and that's where her operation is now. 813 00:50:02,563 --> 00:50:03,663 Our source actually said 814 00:50:03,763 --> 00:50:05,463 they knew that passports had been taken away, 815 00:50:05,563 --> 00:50:07,543 and they knew that women had been assaulted 816 00:50:07,643 --> 00:50:09,103 quite viciously, sometimes, 817 00:50:09,203 --> 00:50:11,883 if they challenged Mae Ja Kim about their conditions. 818 00:50:15,083 --> 00:50:16,983 I'm gonna walk in and ask to speak to her. 819 00:50:17,083 --> 00:50:19,303 I'll be polite, respectful, explain who I am, 820 00:50:19,403 --> 00:50:22,703 and say, "You've never told your story in your words. 821 00:50:22,803 --> 00:50:24,803 Will you speak to me?" 822 00:50:27,283 --> 00:50:29,943 I feel a little bit scared. She's known to be dangerous. 823 00:50:30,043 --> 00:50:31,663 It might sound odd me saying that, 824 00:50:31,763 --> 00:50:33,763 but she's an organised crime figure. 825 00:50:34,243 --> 00:50:36,303 To finally come face to face with us... 826 00:50:36,403 --> 00:50:38,603 It's been a long time coming. 827 00:50:42,963 --> 00:50:44,463 [footsteps approach] 828 00:50:44,563 --> 00:50:45,983 - Hello! - Hi. 829 00:50:46,083 --> 00:50:47,663 - My name is Nick McKenzie. - Yes. 830 00:50:47,763 --> 00:50:50,183 I'm the journalist. I was hoping to talk to you. 831 00:50:50,283 --> 00:50:51,543 - Yeah, yeah. - Is that OK? 832 00:50:51,643 --> 00:50:52,743 - Yeah. - Yeah, can we...? 833 00:50:52,843 --> 00:50:54,063 I don't want to be in a room. 834 00:50:54,163 --> 00:50:55,543 Is it OK if we can come out and sit out...? 835 00:50:55,643 --> 00:50:57,643 - Yeah. - Yeah. 836 00:51:00,083 --> 00:51:02,203 - This is... This is my name. - Oh, yeah. 837 00:51:03,043 --> 00:51:05,023 I want to ask you about the women coming from Korea. 838 00:51:05,123 --> 00:51:08,123 You know, you're exploiting the women coming from Korea. 839 00:51:08,963 --> 00:51:10,663 Yeah, you take the women's passports. 840 00:51:10,763 --> 00:51:13,363 You exploit the sex workers coming from Korea. 841 00:51:15,683 --> 00:51:16,943 You know, the human trafficking, 842 00:51:17,043 --> 00:51:19,043 you were charged with trafficking women. 843 00:51:19,683 --> 00:51:23,323 Yeah, you're Mae Ja Kim. Remember, you went to prison. 844 00:51:30,683 --> 00:51:32,683 - He's looking, looking. - It's OK. 845 00:51:34,043 --> 00:51:36,763 I want to talk to you. Can you call me? 846 00:51:57,043 --> 00:51:59,043 Yeah, OK. 847 00:52:01,283 --> 00:52:03,103 We're from The Age. You've got my name. 848 00:52:03,203 --> 00:52:04,983 Can you please call me or send me a message? 849 00:52:05,083 --> 00:52:08,123 OK, thank you, thank you. 850 00:52:11,763 --> 00:52:14,043 She denied being involved in trafficking. 851 00:52:15,123 --> 00:52:17,123 She started to cry at the end. 852 00:52:18,163 --> 00:52:21,023 But I don't know what to make of it. Um... 853 00:52:21,123 --> 00:52:24,543 It was upsetting in some ways, I don't know. 854 00:52:24,643 --> 00:52:26,223 She put on a very good performance. 855 00:52:26,323 --> 00:52:27,983 I mean, to be honest, I felt sorry for her. 856 00:52:28,083 --> 00:52:30,623 Um, but I've been warned that's what she does, 857 00:52:30,723 --> 00:52:33,263 she's very manipulative, master manipulator. 858 00:52:33,363 --> 00:52:36,823 What we do know, though, is she's running a massage parlour. 859 00:52:36,923 --> 00:52:38,963 It looks a lot like a brothel to me... 860 00:52:40,163 --> 00:52:42,163 an illegal brothel, and... 861 00:52:45,443 --> 00:52:47,443 Years go past and nothing changes. 862 00:52:53,323 --> 00:52:54,663 Some new sources have come forward. 863 00:52:54,763 --> 00:52:56,763 They've heard I'm looking into human trafficking. 864 00:52:57,603 --> 00:52:58,743 I've just got a call, 865 00:52:58,843 --> 00:53:01,303 with a potentially very juicy tip, 866 00:53:01,403 --> 00:53:04,083 about an unknown trafficking boss. 867 00:53:05,163 --> 00:53:08,063 My gut tells me this could open up this investigation 868 00:53:08,163 --> 00:53:10,163 into a whole new direction. 869 00:53:17,363 --> 00:53:20,243 [male voice slowed down, indistinct] 870 00:53:26,323 --> 00:53:30,743 So, my source has identified one name that we should look at. 871 00:53:30,843 --> 00:53:33,123 [under his breath] Bin Jun Xie... 872 00:53:34,443 --> 00:53:38,343 A really shadowy crime boss, 873 00:53:38,443 --> 00:53:40,543 someone who I think is very high up. 874 00:53:40,643 --> 00:53:43,023 We think this crime boss might be supplying the women 875 00:53:43,123 --> 00:53:46,463 to syndicates all over the country. 876 00:53:46,563 --> 00:53:48,743 Investigative journalism is not rocket science. 877 00:53:48,843 --> 00:53:51,643 Sometimes, it's just a matter of googling someone's email. 878 00:53:52,643 --> 00:53:53,943 I just got a hit. 879 00:53:54,043 --> 00:53:57,463 I've got an address in Chinatown in Sydney. 880 00:53:57,563 --> 00:53:59,563 Let's look. 881 00:54:01,723 --> 00:54:04,263 There's an old article here, ten years or so old 882 00:54:04,363 --> 00:54:07,863 from the UK press, saying a Bin Jun Xie, 883 00:54:07,963 --> 00:54:09,703 about the same age, 884 00:54:09,803 --> 00:54:12,763 is arrested in the UK for human trafficking. 885 00:54:13,763 --> 00:54:17,163 If this is the right Bin Jun Xie, it's huge. 886 00:54:18,883 --> 00:54:21,063 - Hello. - Hi, is that Kevin? 887 00:54:21,163 --> 00:54:22,463 Yes, yes. 888 00:54:22,563 --> 00:54:24,943 Kevin, it's Nick McKenzie, the journalist from Australia 889 00:54:25,043 --> 00:54:26,703 who reached out on LinkedIn. 890 00:54:26,803 --> 00:54:28,843 Let me send you a picture. 891 00:54:29,723 --> 00:54:30,863 [tone chiming] 892 00:54:30,963 --> 00:54:33,783 Is that the same Bin Jun Xie that you arrested? 893 00:54:33,883 --> 00:54:35,303 That's exactly him, yeah, 894 00:54:35,403 --> 00:54:37,143 that's how I remember him, yeah. 895 00:54:37,243 --> 00:54:40,423 Exactly. He's not a nice bloke. 896 00:54:40,523 --> 00:54:42,623 I know we used to send our criminals to you, 897 00:54:42,723 --> 00:54:45,703 but, I mean, it's a serious conviction he's got here. 898 00:54:45,803 --> 00:54:47,583 Is he a human trafficker? 899 00:54:47,683 --> 00:54:49,683 Oh, yeah, he's definitely involved in that, yeah. 900 00:54:51,283 --> 00:54:53,283 Bingo. 901 00:54:59,203 --> 00:55:01,183 [clapperboard snaps] 902 00:55:01,283 --> 00:55:04,183 I'd like to start by showing you a photo. 903 00:55:04,283 --> 00:55:08,103 - Do you recognise that person? - Yeah, that's Bin Jun Xie. 904 00:55:08,203 --> 00:55:09,463 Bin Jun Xie. 905 00:55:09,563 --> 00:55:11,023 He's unforgettable. 906 00:55:11,123 --> 00:55:12,303 Why is he unforgettable? 907 00:55:12,403 --> 00:55:15,303 I sat across the table from him for four hours interviewing him 908 00:55:15,403 --> 00:55:19,083 about sex trafficking and brothels in the UK. 909 00:55:19,923 --> 00:55:21,783 [Kevin] 17 people will be locked up for this 910 00:55:21,883 --> 00:55:23,983 and at the top was Bin Jun Xie. 911 00:55:24,083 --> 00:55:26,623 How would you describe the scale of the operation? 912 00:55:26,723 --> 00:55:31,503 Oh, it was enormous. Absolutely enormous. 913 00:55:31,603 --> 00:55:35,483 It was complex. We knew that we were onto something big. 914 00:55:36,603 --> 00:55:38,983 It's only when we started to see the money come in 915 00:55:39,083 --> 00:55:40,863 from different towns 916 00:55:40,963 --> 00:55:42,503 that we realised, actually, 917 00:55:42,603 --> 00:55:44,603 this is right across the country. 918 00:55:46,883 --> 00:55:50,423 [Kevin] Girls were coming from China, Macau, places like that. 919 00:55:50,523 --> 00:55:52,103 They were losing their passports on the way. 920 00:55:52,203 --> 00:55:53,503 They were losing their identities, 921 00:55:53,603 --> 00:55:55,343 and they were being picked up at the airport 922 00:55:55,443 --> 00:55:57,443 and taken straight to the sex industry. 923 00:55:57,883 --> 00:55:59,663 We would watch them arrive, they would go in 924 00:55:59,763 --> 00:56:02,083 and they wouldn't come out again... ever. 925 00:56:03,043 --> 00:56:04,863 They stayed naked most of the time 926 00:56:04,963 --> 00:56:06,963 or semi-naked most of the time. 927 00:56:07,643 --> 00:56:09,383 They were there to perform only one thing, 928 00:56:09,483 --> 00:56:11,483 and that was all they did. 929 00:56:12,443 --> 00:56:14,763 The girls were effectively prisoners. 930 00:56:17,803 --> 00:56:19,223 So, how did you actually track down 931 00:56:19,323 --> 00:56:21,223 the syndicate to here? 932 00:56:21,323 --> 00:56:22,783 Yeah, this is it here. 933 00:56:22,883 --> 00:56:25,663 So, downstairs is where the punters went in, 934 00:56:25,763 --> 00:56:28,343 down these steps here onto the door down there, 935 00:56:28,443 --> 00:56:31,503 and the girl was in the bedroom up here. 936 00:56:31,603 --> 00:56:34,463 Pretty grubby, very basic. There was nothing much in there. 937 00:56:34,563 --> 00:56:37,223 There was a bed, a sheet on it. 938 00:56:37,323 --> 00:56:41,023 There was no real clothes in there for the girl. 939 00:56:41,123 --> 00:56:42,503 How many sites like this were there 940 00:56:42,603 --> 00:56:43,823 around the whole of the UK? 941 00:56:43,923 --> 00:56:45,463 - Around the UK like this? - Yeah. 942 00:56:45,563 --> 00:56:46,703 - Hundreds. - Yeah. 943 00:56:46,803 --> 00:56:48,803 Hundreds and hundreds. 944 00:56:49,163 --> 00:56:51,023 Every time they shut down the brothel, 945 00:56:51,123 --> 00:56:53,743 the girls performing had no ID. 946 00:56:53,843 --> 00:56:56,663 None of them were actually legal here. 947 00:56:56,763 --> 00:56:58,743 Not one, not one person. 948 00:56:58,843 --> 00:57:00,943 These girls are not willing 949 00:57:01,043 --> 00:57:03,183 and they're not willing to talk, neither. 950 00:57:03,283 --> 00:57:05,223 Why were they so reluctant to talk, 951 00:57:05,323 --> 00:57:06,463 to trust British police? 952 00:57:06,563 --> 00:57:08,103 If you're part of an organised crime group, 953 00:57:08,203 --> 00:57:10,663 and you're the person who brings the organised crime group down, 954 00:57:10,763 --> 00:57:12,763 you can expect the repercussions from that. 955 00:57:15,203 --> 00:57:17,623 What do you think people like Bin Jun Xie 956 00:57:17,723 --> 00:57:20,623 had over these girls to keep them so compliant, 957 00:57:20,723 --> 00:57:22,103 to keep them prisoners? 958 00:57:22,203 --> 00:57:24,183 Physically, he's nothing physically. 959 00:57:24,283 --> 00:57:28,343 It's mental, I think. Fear, I think. 960 00:57:28,443 --> 00:57:31,383 Bin Jun Xie had a nickname. He was referred to as Hammer. 961 00:57:31,483 --> 00:57:32,663 As Hammer? 962 00:57:32,763 --> 00:57:34,763 He was referred to as Hammer, yeah. 963 00:57:35,843 --> 00:57:37,783 Hundreds of thousands of pounds went through 964 00:57:37,883 --> 00:57:40,783 Bin Jun Xie's own personal accounts in unidentified cash. 965 00:57:40,883 --> 00:57:43,103 The money you saw was the tip of the iceberg? 966 00:57:43,203 --> 00:57:44,743 Definitely, yeah, definitely. 967 00:57:44,843 --> 00:57:46,263 We only know what we know. 968 00:57:46,363 --> 00:57:48,963 It's the thing that we don't know is bigger. 969 00:57:49,923 --> 00:57:51,743 [Kevin] Every line that comes out of here 970 00:57:51,843 --> 00:57:53,783 is a piece of evidence that connects Bin Jun Xie 971 00:57:53,883 --> 00:57:56,503 to a brothel or to a name or to a bank account. 972 00:57:56,603 --> 00:57:59,983 There was 68,000 pages of evidence and, as I took him 973 00:58:00,083 --> 00:58:02,783 through the charts, I could see the penny dropping on his face. 974 00:58:02,883 --> 00:58:06,143 - And he knew? - He knew I had him, he knew. 975 00:58:06,243 --> 00:58:08,983 Surely, someone in Australia should've said, 976 00:58:09,083 --> 00:58:11,423 "You're not allowed here, mate, you just got out of jail 977 00:58:11,523 --> 00:58:14,063 in Britain for human trafficking." 978 00:58:14,163 --> 00:58:16,583 Yeah, I... I thought that might be the case. 979 00:58:16,683 --> 00:58:18,543 I thought Australia was hard to get into. 980 00:58:18,643 --> 00:58:20,503 Bearing in mind that he was jailed here 981 00:58:20,603 --> 00:58:22,383 for I think it was five, maybe six years 982 00:58:22,483 --> 00:58:24,943 with a condition that he was deported back to China 983 00:58:25,043 --> 00:58:26,783 upon his release, and it seems that 984 00:58:26,883 --> 00:58:28,863 he's gone straight back to China and then straight into Australia 985 00:58:28,963 --> 00:58:30,343 and started again. 986 00:58:30,443 --> 00:58:31,783 It's... It's unbelievable. 987 00:58:31,883 --> 00:58:34,503 What would your message be to Australian authorities 988 00:58:34,603 --> 00:58:37,263 about the need to catch up with this guy? 989 00:58:37,363 --> 00:58:41,263 If he's doing it again, then, if you keep letting it go, 990 00:58:41,363 --> 00:58:43,363 he's only gonna get bigger. 991 00:58:51,723 --> 00:58:53,723 [footsteps clop] 992 00:58:58,723 --> 00:59:00,723 You coming out? 993 00:59:11,403 --> 00:59:12,623 So, we have a target. 994 00:59:12,723 --> 00:59:14,463 Name's Bin Jun Xie. 995 00:59:14,563 --> 00:59:17,303 He's a likely human trafficking senior boss. 996 00:59:17,403 --> 00:59:20,423 But we don't know whether the Bin Jun Xie we suspect 997 00:59:20,523 --> 00:59:21,663 is the trafficking boss 998 00:59:21,763 --> 00:59:23,503 is the same Bin Jun Xie as we found. 999 00:59:23,603 --> 00:59:26,343 More than anything else, we need to get a photo of the guy. 1000 00:59:26,443 --> 00:59:28,383 If we can match this person, 1001 00:59:28,483 --> 00:59:30,483 it opens up a whole can of worms. 1002 00:59:46,283 --> 00:59:48,803 [tense music plays] 1003 01:00:20,843 --> 01:00:22,263 There's no doubt... 1004 01:00:22,363 --> 01:00:24,703 I've got his face frozen on the computer. 1005 01:00:24,803 --> 01:00:27,163 There's no doubt that's Bin Jun Xie. 1006 01:00:29,723 --> 01:00:31,583 There's fresh intelligence we've uncovered, 1007 01:00:31,683 --> 01:00:33,063 which is very credible, 1008 01:00:33,163 --> 01:00:35,983 that shows people with a deep involvement in organised crime, 1009 01:00:36,083 --> 01:00:37,343 in violence, in human trafficking. 1010 01:00:37,443 --> 01:00:40,703 So, Bin Jun Xie looks like he's running girls 1011 01:00:40,803 --> 01:00:43,423 all across the country across state borders. 1012 01:00:43,523 --> 01:00:45,423 We're talking hundreds of girls. 1013 01:00:45,523 --> 01:00:47,663 We're talking dozens of bank accounts. 1014 01:00:47,763 --> 01:00:50,103 We're talking dozens of mid-level managers. 1015 01:00:50,203 --> 01:00:51,823 We're talking fake mobile phones, 1016 01:00:51,923 --> 01:00:53,423 fake bank accounts 1017 01:00:53,523 --> 01:00:55,523 or bank accounts in dummies names. 1018 01:01:15,403 --> 01:01:17,403 Grab a seat there. 1019 01:01:18,083 --> 01:01:19,743 So, since the last time I spoke to you, 1020 01:01:19,843 --> 01:01:21,383 I've probably spent six weeks 1021 01:01:21,483 --> 01:01:24,103 building the best intelligence picture I can 1022 01:01:24,203 --> 01:01:26,503 of the syndicate in Queensland, 1023 01:01:26,603 --> 01:01:29,543 which has actually been busted a few times by police. 1024 01:01:29,643 --> 01:01:31,983 And it's fascinating because what the syndicate is doing 1025 01:01:32,083 --> 01:01:35,183 is using the motels as illegal brothels, 1026 01:01:35,283 --> 01:01:38,463 places to house the Asian women who are working as sex workers. 1027 01:01:38,563 --> 01:01:40,303 What we want you to see if we can confirm is, 1028 01:01:40,403 --> 01:01:42,543 are these motels still being used 1029 01:01:42,643 --> 01:01:45,983 to house Asian sex workers by the syndicate? 1030 01:01:46,083 --> 01:01:47,943 You've got a very few chances 1031 01:01:48,043 --> 01:01:51,343 to get the evidence on camera that we need. 1032 01:01:51,443 --> 01:01:53,543 If the motels are all connected, you go to two... 1033 01:01:53,643 --> 01:01:55,623 "Hang on, this bloke keeps showing up at motels." 1034 01:01:55,723 --> 01:01:57,703 You can't pay for a sex act, 1035 01:01:57,803 --> 01:01:59,983 so that's going to be suspicious in and of itself. 1036 01:02:00,083 --> 01:02:02,583 So, are you gonna film as you go? 1037 01:02:02,683 --> 01:02:04,943 I suppose that's an option. 1038 01:02:05,043 --> 01:02:08,603 It's a pretty... I suppose, pretty risky. 1039 01:02:26,363 --> 01:02:29,623 There we go, Zoe, age 21. Townsville. 1040 01:02:29,723 --> 01:02:31,743 This number is linked 1041 01:02:31,843 --> 01:02:34,183 to the suspected trafficking syndicate. 1042 01:02:34,283 --> 01:02:35,743 We call this number now, 1043 01:02:35,843 --> 01:02:38,583 we want to be taken to ideally the site of their operation, 1044 01:02:38,683 --> 01:02:40,183 which we think might be the motel. 1045 01:02:40,283 --> 01:02:42,023 [phone ringing] 1046 01:02:42,123 --> 01:02:44,343 [operator voice] The person you've called is not available. 1047 01:02:44,443 --> 01:02:46,743 So, they've just texted you just now. 1048 01:02:46,843 --> 01:02:52,103 "Hello. My full G fee E service is 15 minutes, $120. 1049 01:02:52,203 --> 01:02:54,983 60 minutes, $250. Two times cum. 1050 01:02:55,083 --> 01:02:58,023 Address is the [bleep] Motel." 1051 01:02:58,123 --> 01:02:59,703 Boom, motel. 1052 01:02:59,803 --> 01:03:01,783 Let me just call the contact. 1053 01:03:01,883 --> 01:03:03,783 It's Nick here. 1054 01:03:03,883 --> 01:03:05,823 I was wondering if any of your people would know 1055 01:03:05,923 --> 01:03:09,663 if the [bleep] Motel rings a bell linked to this syndicate. 1056 01:03:09,763 --> 01:03:11,543 Yeah, terrific, OK, we'll get cracking. 1057 01:03:11,643 --> 01:03:13,463 Thanks so much, appreciate it. 1058 01:03:13,563 --> 01:03:14,983 Let's be very careful about that, guys. 1059 01:03:15,083 --> 01:03:17,083 That's a human source. 1060 01:03:17,443 --> 01:03:20,143 Our thesis was they're running possibly trafficked 1061 01:03:20,243 --> 01:03:22,263 but certainly exploited Asian women 1062 01:03:22,363 --> 01:03:24,223 across all these motels down the east coast, 1063 01:03:24,323 --> 01:03:26,223 they're making tens of millions of dollars, 1064 01:03:26,323 --> 01:03:28,343 and the very first phone call we've made 1065 01:03:28,443 --> 01:03:31,503 has directed us to a motel which they probably own or control. 1066 01:03:31,603 --> 01:03:33,183 So, you guys hit the road and good luck. 1067 01:03:33,283 --> 01:03:35,103 So, all we needed our undercover to do 1068 01:03:35,203 --> 01:03:37,063 was to go inside the motel, and be directed to a room, 1069 01:03:37,163 --> 01:03:39,263 maybe meet a girl, maybe meet two 1070 01:03:39,363 --> 01:03:41,363 and then get the hell out of there. 1071 01:03:54,683 --> 01:03:56,683 [knocking] 1072 01:03:58,563 --> 01:04:00,563 Hello. 1073 01:04:27,603 --> 01:04:29,843 [man] Just walking into what was the Hume. 1074 01:05:18,163 --> 01:05:20,163 [knocking] 1075 01:05:24,163 --> 01:05:25,383 Good, I'm good. 1076 01:05:25,483 --> 01:05:27,483 [both laugh] 1077 01:05:31,443 --> 01:05:33,443 Yeah. 1078 01:05:36,843 --> 01:05:38,843 Um... 1079 01:05:41,563 --> 01:05:43,563 - Alright. - OK. 1080 01:05:44,123 --> 01:05:46,123 - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. 1081 01:05:49,323 --> 01:05:51,343 Ah, Lisa. 1082 01:05:51,443 --> 01:05:53,443 Alright. 1083 01:05:54,443 --> 01:05:56,443 [Nick] It's good. It's really useful. 1084 01:05:57,963 --> 01:05:59,143 No, no, I think it's perfect. 1085 01:05:59,243 --> 01:06:00,583 I thought it'd be a lot harder to do 1086 01:06:00,683 --> 01:06:02,683 what you guys have just done. 1087 01:06:23,083 --> 01:06:24,623 [Nick] You seem extremely passionate about 1088 01:06:24,723 --> 01:06:29,023 combatting this crime type but why are you so passionate? 1089 01:06:29,123 --> 01:06:32,423 [Brad] I detest people that make financial gain 1090 01:06:32,523 --> 01:06:34,343 through the suffering of others. 1091 01:06:34,443 --> 01:06:36,183 [clapperboard snaps] 1092 01:06:36,283 --> 01:06:41,103 How did your detectives stumble across the motel syndicate? 1093 01:06:41,203 --> 01:06:43,543 Where did you get the first hint that someone like this 1094 01:06:43,643 --> 01:06:44,743 was up and running? 1095 01:06:44,843 --> 01:06:47,183 So, the Major and Organised Crimes Squad 1096 01:06:47,283 --> 01:06:48,743 started looking at complaints 1097 01:06:48,843 --> 01:06:51,503 of illegal prostitution activities in North Queensland. 1098 01:06:51,603 --> 01:06:54,943 As a result of investigating those complaints, 1099 01:06:55,043 --> 01:06:57,223 we were able to quickly establish that there was 1100 01:06:57,323 --> 01:07:00,703 a much more sinister and bigger picture behind this offending. 1101 01:07:00,803 --> 01:07:04,503 We had to reach the point where we stopped 1102 01:07:04,603 --> 01:07:07,863 looking at the sex workers themselves as offenders 1103 01:07:07,963 --> 01:07:10,463 but as victims, as pawns in a much bigger picture 1104 01:07:10,563 --> 01:07:11,823 of organised crime. 1105 01:07:11,923 --> 01:07:16,023 These organised crime syndicates arrange for vulnerable women 1106 01:07:16,123 --> 01:07:17,543 to be brought into the country. 1107 01:07:17,643 --> 01:07:20,183 They don't speak the language, so they're put into a motel 1108 01:07:20,283 --> 01:07:23,303 in a town where they have no contact, no support. 1109 01:07:23,403 --> 01:07:26,103 They stay in that room, they live in that room, 1110 01:07:26,203 --> 01:07:27,703 they work out of that room 1111 01:07:27,803 --> 01:07:30,463 until they are moved like cattle across the country 1112 01:07:30,563 --> 01:07:34,263 into different motels to perform the same functions. 1113 01:07:34,363 --> 01:07:38,223 They're put in the back corner, out of the way, 1114 01:07:38,323 --> 01:07:40,823 and, you know, if you were to sit here for a period of time, 1115 01:07:40,923 --> 01:07:43,243 you'd see the people coming and going. 1116 01:07:45,163 --> 01:07:47,783 [Nick] The money the syndicate makes through motels like this 1117 01:07:47,883 --> 01:07:50,423 is then pumped into buying fresh motels, fresh properties? 1118 01:07:50,523 --> 01:07:52,623 You're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, 1119 01:07:52,723 --> 01:07:54,143 and that's why they've set up across... 1120 01:07:54,243 --> 01:07:55,863 up and down the east coast of Queensland. 1121 01:07:55,963 --> 01:07:58,283 I'm really quite confident it's all over Australia. 1122 01:08:00,283 --> 01:08:02,503 What you're saying is it's a hell of a lot bigger 1123 01:08:02,603 --> 01:08:05,383 than has been publicly revealed to date? 1124 01:08:05,483 --> 01:08:08,703 It's certainly, in my estimation, much, much bigger. 1125 01:08:08,803 --> 01:08:11,263 Why isn't more being done to stop this trade? 1126 01:08:11,363 --> 01:08:14,923 [sighs] That's a really difficult question. 1127 01:08:16,163 --> 01:08:18,063 I think it's not an easy piece of work. 1128 01:08:18,163 --> 01:08:20,223 It's an issue the community aren't really aware of. 1129 01:08:20,323 --> 01:08:22,623 It's an issue that's really difficult to investigate. 1130 01:08:22,723 --> 01:08:26,143 We need to target the wealth and the profit being generated. 1131 01:08:26,243 --> 01:08:29,263 That's where, as investigators or law enforcement, 1132 01:08:29,363 --> 01:08:31,363 I see our opportunities. 1133 01:08:34,443 --> 01:08:35,743 [phone chimes] 1134 01:08:35,843 --> 01:08:37,023 [man] Here it is. 1135 01:08:37,123 --> 01:08:38,423 There's full service. 1136 01:08:38,523 --> 01:08:39,743 Body rub, a BJ. 1137 01:08:39,843 --> 01:08:41,983 No natural sex, no anal. 1138 01:08:42,083 --> 01:08:47,583 [Nick] Boom, the [bleep] Hotel is one of the syndicate hotels. 1139 01:08:47,683 --> 01:08:50,183 Interestingly, owned out of China. 1140 01:08:50,283 --> 01:08:52,463 [man] Can be there soon if it's OK? 1141 01:08:52,563 --> 01:08:54,463 Room 220? 1142 01:08:54,563 --> 01:08:57,983 OK, just go up these stairs here, turn left. 1143 01:08:58,083 --> 01:09:00,083 [knocking] 1144 01:09:01,723 --> 01:09:03,023 - Hello. - Hi, hello. 1145 01:09:03,123 --> 01:09:04,463 Is this Level 3? 1146 01:09:04,563 --> 01:09:05,663 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1147 01:09:05,763 --> 01:09:06,863 Right place? 1148 01:09:06,963 --> 01:09:08,623 It's dark. 1149 01:09:08,723 --> 01:09:10,723 I can't see you. 1150 01:09:11,723 --> 01:09:13,723 Can't see you properly. 1151 01:09:15,003 --> 01:09:16,143 You? 1152 01:09:16,243 --> 01:09:18,423 Little English. I understand you. 1153 01:09:18,523 --> 01:09:20,523 Me show you some more. 1154 01:09:22,043 --> 01:09:24,043 It depends on what the prices are. 1155 01:09:24,883 --> 01:09:26,623 Yeah, is? 1156 01:09:26,723 --> 01:09:27,823 $150. 1157 01:09:27,923 --> 01:09:29,343 And what do I get for that? 1158 01:09:29,443 --> 01:09:31,443 I was thinking someone younger. 1159 01:09:31,963 --> 01:09:33,963 Yeah. 1160 01:09:35,843 --> 01:09:37,383 [Nick] I think people have a misconception 1161 01:09:37,483 --> 01:09:40,463 that police and law enforcement is everywhere. 1162 01:09:40,563 --> 01:09:44,703 But the truth is there's extremely limited resources. 1163 01:09:44,803 --> 01:09:47,503 Yeah, often, they're doing a tremendous job 1164 01:09:47,603 --> 01:09:49,263 with those limited resources, 1165 01:09:49,363 --> 01:09:53,023 but politics and other pressures come to bear. 1166 01:09:53,123 --> 01:09:56,103 And I always think of what a detective said to me. 1167 01:09:56,203 --> 01:09:58,423 He said there is the crime we accept 1168 01:09:58,523 --> 01:10:00,423 and the crime we don't, and the crime we accept 1169 01:10:00,523 --> 01:10:03,023 is the crime the police forces say, "Well, it's too hard," 1170 01:10:03,123 --> 01:10:04,543 or it's not a political priority. 1171 01:10:04,643 --> 01:10:07,743 [indistinct chatter] 1172 01:10:07,843 --> 01:10:09,823 And human trafficking, unfortunately, 1173 01:10:09,923 --> 01:10:12,143 is one of those crime types, 1174 01:10:12,243 --> 01:10:14,623 and that's because it's too hard, too expensive, 1175 01:10:14,723 --> 01:10:16,723 and too difficult to investigate. 1176 01:10:30,843 --> 01:10:32,843 [woman] You can just go there and knock on the door. 1177 01:10:40,443 --> 01:10:42,303 - Hi. - Hey. How you going? 1178 01:10:42,403 --> 01:10:43,783 [she laughs] 1179 01:10:43,883 --> 01:10:45,883 [man] Oh, wow. 1180 01:11:05,883 --> 01:11:07,883 [phone ringing] 1181 01:11:08,803 --> 01:11:11,763 [phone ringing] 1182 01:11:14,083 --> 01:11:16,563 Hello, Bin Jun Xie. 1183 01:11:18,523 --> 01:11:19,743 My name is Nick McKenzie. 1184 01:11:19,843 --> 01:11:21,423 I'm an Australian journalist, 1185 01:11:21,523 --> 01:11:24,803 and I'm calling you about your business. 1186 01:11:27,123 --> 01:11:33,363 Your business running Asian sex workers across Australia. 1187 01:11:37,163 --> 01:11:40,583 Your business running Asian sex workers across Australia. 1188 01:11:40,683 --> 01:11:42,263 And I want to ask you... 1189 01:11:42,363 --> 01:11:45,303 You got into Australia, even though you went to jail 1190 01:11:45,403 --> 01:11:49,703 in the United Kingdom for running a big network 1191 01:11:49,803 --> 01:11:53,063 of underground sex linked to human trafficking. 1192 01:11:53,163 --> 01:11:56,643 Did you tell the Australians that you'd been to jail? 1193 01:12:04,243 --> 01:12:07,163 No, no, is this Bin Jun Xie? 1194 01:12:08,923 --> 01:12:10,923 What's your name? 1195 01:12:13,203 --> 01:12:14,703 What's your name? 1196 01:12:14,803 --> 01:12:16,423 [phone beeps] 1197 01:12:16,523 --> 01:12:17,983 That was Bin Jun Xie. 1198 01:12:18,083 --> 01:12:22,863 And he's probably absolutely packing himself now 1199 01:12:22,963 --> 01:12:24,663 because he's thinking, "What the F? 1200 01:12:24,763 --> 01:12:26,763 What's just happened?" 1201 01:12:28,363 --> 01:12:30,863 "Binjun Xie, I need to ask you questions about your business. 1202 01:12:30,963 --> 01:12:33,023 My name is Nick McKenzie, Australian journalist. 1203 01:12:33,123 --> 01:12:35,123 Will you speak with me?" 1204 01:12:41,243 --> 01:12:43,343 The Queensland Police told us 1205 01:12:43,443 --> 01:12:47,223 that there were women subjected to potential trafficking, 1206 01:12:47,323 --> 01:12:49,463 certainly coercive and imposing conditions, 1207 01:12:49,563 --> 01:12:52,383 being moved like cattle around the country. 1208 01:12:52,483 --> 01:12:53,983 Does that accord with your knowledge? 1209 01:12:54,083 --> 01:12:56,983 Yes, we are hearing those sorts of claims, 1210 01:12:57,083 --> 01:12:59,463 and one of the challenges 1211 01:12:59,563 --> 01:13:01,983 that we have from a law enforcement perspective 1212 01:13:02,083 --> 01:13:05,663 is that we actually need those victims to come forward. 1213 01:13:05,763 --> 01:13:07,463 In the absence of those victims themselves 1214 01:13:07,563 --> 01:13:10,103 coming forward, and there's a whole range of reasons 1215 01:13:10,203 --> 01:13:13,423 why they might not, then we are largely in the dark 1216 01:13:13,523 --> 01:13:14,943 when it comes to this crime type. 1217 01:13:15,043 --> 01:13:17,943 What do the latest stats tell us 1218 01:13:18,043 --> 01:13:21,463 about the incidence of human trafficking in Australia? 1219 01:13:21,563 --> 01:13:23,943 So, we are really upfront about the fact 1220 01:13:24,043 --> 01:13:26,343 that it is a largely hidden crime. 1221 01:13:26,443 --> 01:13:29,463 We believe that trafficking will continue, 1222 01:13:29,563 --> 01:13:33,343 and it'll continue to rise, so we are seeing, you know, that, 1223 01:13:33,443 --> 01:13:35,623 post February when the borders did open, 1224 01:13:35,723 --> 01:13:37,543 we are definitely seeing an uptick 1225 01:13:37,643 --> 01:13:39,423 in trafficking into Australia. 1226 01:13:39,523 --> 01:13:41,823 If the incidence of trafficking's on the rise, 1227 01:13:41,923 --> 01:13:45,143 if it's happening, why is the AFP's rate of prosecution 1228 01:13:45,243 --> 01:13:47,023 of human traffickers so miserly? 1229 01:13:47,123 --> 01:13:50,143 That's a complex question. It's... 1230 01:13:50,243 --> 01:13:51,703 [sighs] 1231 01:13:51,803 --> 01:13:53,803 Let me just gather my thoughts. 1232 01:13:54,603 --> 01:13:57,303 We have to meet a fairly high threshold, 1233 01:13:57,403 --> 01:13:59,743 so that we have to ensure that our briefs of evidence 1234 01:13:59,843 --> 01:14:03,983 contain enough evidence to have a successful prosecution. 1235 01:14:04,083 --> 01:14:08,743 So, there are some challenges in getting enough of that evidence. 1236 01:14:08,843 --> 01:14:11,303 Some of it might be that we don't actually have a victim 1237 01:14:11,403 --> 01:14:14,303 that's on board, so that's a genuine challenge. 1238 01:14:14,403 --> 01:14:17,143 Would it concern you if there was a trafficking boss 1239 01:14:17,243 --> 01:14:19,983 known to various agencies with criminal records, 1240 01:14:20,083 --> 01:14:22,483 up to his old tricks, sitting here doing the same old thing? 1241 01:14:23,603 --> 01:14:26,023 Yeah, we'd probably want to know about that 1242 01:14:26,123 --> 01:14:29,223 and see what action we can take as a result. 1243 01:14:29,323 --> 01:14:31,303 What do you say to those Australian men 1244 01:14:31,403 --> 01:14:33,823 who turn a blind eye, use services 1245 01:14:33,923 --> 01:14:36,583 where there's lots of indicators of trafficking, 1246 01:14:36,683 --> 01:14:38,183 of misery, of exploitation? 1247 01:14:38,283 --> 01:14:40,943 It certainly worries us how much appetite there is 1248 01:14:41,043 --> 01:14:43,983 for using these sorts of services of exploited women. 1249 01:14:44,083 --> 01:14:46,303 That's problematic for all of Australia. 1250 01:14:46,403 --> 01:14:48,443 What does it say about us? 1251 01:14:49,763 --> 01:14:51,023 [exhales] 1252 01:14:51,123 --> 01:14:53,303 I don't want to say that, sorry. 1253 01:14:53,403 --> 01:14:55,403 Yeah. 1254 01:15:18,123 --> 01:15:20,123 Hey, guys. How are you? 1255 01:15:20,883 --> 01:15:22,063 [man] I think we're good to go now. 1256 01:15:22,163 --> 01:15:23,703 How're you feeling, Nick, ready? 1257 01:15:23,803 --> 01:15:26,403 Standby. In three... 1258 01:15:27,443 --> 01:15:30,983 When I received a tip-off about this story last year, 1259 01:15:31,083 --> 01:15:32,943 I couldn't believe what I was being told. 1260 01:15:33,043 --> 01:15:34,863 12 months of investigating, though, 1261 01:15:34,963 --> 01:15:36,703 has not only confirmed it 1262 01:15:36,803 --> 01:15:37,903 but also established 1263 01:15:38,003 --> 01:15:40,363 it's much worse than first thought. 97469

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