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(BUS ENGINE RUMBLING)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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MARGIE PANDOS:
I didn't get your name.
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Um, Michael.
You can call me Michael.
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My name is
Doctor Michael Gellis.
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-We're just gonna take our time.
-Okay.
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MICHAEL GELLIS: So, um,
let's do the first phase, okay?
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Put that drink down.
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Go on.
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Yeah. It was...
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-MARGIE:
-MICHAEL: All right.
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-MICHAEL:
-MARGIE: Yeah.
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-MICHAEL: Good.
-MARGIE: And...
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MICHAEL:
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What's happening?
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MICHAEL:
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MARGIE:
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MICHAEL:
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MARGIE:
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(SNIFFING)
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MARGIE:
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(CLOCK TICKING)
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(SNIFFS)
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(CLOCK TICKING)
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-♪ (VIOLIN PLAYING
IN BACKGROUND) ♪
-Will you please stand?
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Stephen and Karen
share their joy
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and celebrate their love.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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WEDDING OFFICIANT: Marriage
is a gift of God in creation,
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through which husband and wife
may know the grace of God.
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It is given that as man
and woman...
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-Stephen and his girls.
-WEDDING OFFICIANT: ...grow
together in love and trust,
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they shall be united
with one another in heart,
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body and mind
as Christ is united
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-with his bride...
-CYNTHIA HILL:
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I'm glad you did, too.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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STEPHEN PANDOS: Yeah, I'm still
hanging out in ambiguity.
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I mean, clearly,
I think law enforcement knows
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what this has done
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to my relationship
with my mother.
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And I think
if they had information
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that would rule out
my mother's involvement
in any way,
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that they should share that
with me.
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RON PANDOS: If James City County
has information,
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just tell me.
Just tell me upfront.
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Tell Margie upfront.
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You know,
don't keep a family wondering.
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'Cause all you're doing
is devastating a family
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and tearing a family apart.
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I just think they're afraid
to say, "Yeah, hey,
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we blew this case
from the very beginning."
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(DIAL TONE RINGING)
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STEPHEN: Hey, Jake. Stephen.
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-JAKE RICE: Yes.
-STEPHEN: How are you?
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JAKE: All right.
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STEPHEN: Good.
Hey, a quick question.
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I'm trying to figure out...
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Um, do you guys believe
that my mother's
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tellin' the truth
about what she knows?
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JAKE:
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-Right.
-JAKE:
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Right. And is this like
forensic stuff?
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Is it handwriting?
Can you give me some idea
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-as to what--
-JAKE:
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It's more handwriting stuff?
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JAKE: (CHATTERS INDISTINCTLY)
All right.
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Okay. All right.
Talk to you soon, Jake.
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See ya. Bye.
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STEPHEN: So, I called Jake Rice
at the police department.
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He said that they had sent
some things
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to the lab, some handwriting.
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-Um--
-But he hasn't told you
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-what's in there yet.
-He has not.
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-Well, I hope that...
-So...
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...they don't just let you
sit there and think and think
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and think,
that they do somewhat give you
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some knowledge
of what's going on.
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This is just
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my mother's handwriting analysis
that was done
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by the Department
of Forensic Science.
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CYNTHIA:
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STEPHEN: Handwriting analysis
of my father,
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they ruled him out
as the writer of the note.
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But it was inconclusive
as it relates to my mom.
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CYNTHIA:
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I interpreted that
as an indication
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that she wrote the note.
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Right, it was inconclusive
that she wrote it,
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but it was always said
with the context
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of, "She likely wrote it."
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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CYNTHIA:
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Uh, we are getting ready to call
Sheila Lowe,
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who is a...
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I guess a graphologist,
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sort of a handwriting
examiner expert.
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Just trying to learn about it.
Oh. Hi, Sheila.
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-Hi, there.
-STEPHEN: How are you?
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SHEILA LOWE: I'm good.
How are you?
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I'm doing great. Thank you.
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I guess you got the note
that was left
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when she disappeared.
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SHEILA: Yes.
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STEPHEN: So you had samples
of Kerry Hendrix,
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his handwriting,
her ex-boyfriend,
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Tony, and my mother
and my father?
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The police had somebody
look at this a long time ago
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that ruled out my father
as the writer of the note.
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I strongly agree
that your father,
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he's not capable of writing
the note.
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His handwriting is so rigid
and so extremely linear
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that it would be
almost impossible for him
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to write in a rounded fashion
like this.
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Do you think
that my mother wrote it then?
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-SHEILA: No.
-No?
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I don't. The sample
that I looked at,
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that was close
to the time of writing...
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Well, I'm looking
at the individual letter forms
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and at the spacing,
which is the most important,
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it's so unconscious
that it's not something
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that the person
is going to think to change.
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It seems to me that her spacing
is more compact.
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-The words are written closer...
-STEPHEN: Hm-mm.
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...than in the note which is,
you know,
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it has quite wide spacing.
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STEPHEN: Yeah,
quite wide spacing.
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SHEILA: One of the reasons
why I ruled it out
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was 'cause of the way
she made the Fs.
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They were very sharp and pointed
on the top.
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-That seems like
a strong idiosyncrasy.
-STEPHEN: Right.
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That's not at all in the note.
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I looked at the handwriting
of the man
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-that she babysat for--
-STEPHEN: Kerry Hendrix. Yeah.
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Yeah. But, um,
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again, I couldn't find
any evidence.
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Now, Tony,
I had pretty much ruled out.
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And then I saw one sample
that put him back in the frame
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to some degree.
That was this one.
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That was the only one
that was large and rounded.
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But there are still
some characteristics
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that were quite different.
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And there's not
the kind of evidence
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that I would look for to say
that he did it.
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But it was interesting
that he had the capability
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to write this way.
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STEPHEN: Huh.
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-It's not like DNA.
-STEPHEN: Right.
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It's opinion.
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Some mysteries
are just unsolvable.
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Right.
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(BIKE ENGINES RUMBLING)
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CYNTHIA:
So what'd you find out?
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RON: Uh, Jack, Jake,
whatever his name is...
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Jack from James City County
that y'all talked to.
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He said there was
a piece of information
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in the file
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that got overlooked.
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And it was about
a one-armed guy,
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Charlie May.
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And I said,
"I've never heard of the guy."
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So, I still don't know
who it is.
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An investigator
from James City County
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told me that this Charlie May
had a relationship
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with Tony Tobler.
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Who's this Tony person?
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RON: Tony Tobler
was Jennifer's boyfriend. Mm.
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CYNTHIA: Well,
what does that make you think?
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Makes me think like,
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A, who in the hell
is this Charlie May... (LAUGHS)
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...and what's really going on?
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And did Tony Tobler...
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Because I still in--
in my mind think
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Tony Tobler has something to do
with it.
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I-- I'm just being
flat-out honest.
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CYNTHIA: The police mentioned
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the name of Charlie May
to your dad.
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Do you know who that is?
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We've been researching him.
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STEPHEN: I've never...
I don't know who that...
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-CYNTHIA: Yeah.
-STEPHEN: I have no idea
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-who that is.
-CYNTHIA: So we've been,
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like, anything like that,
we've been trying our best to--
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Was he a friend
of Jennifer's? Was he a...
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CYNTHIA: He was apparently
a friend of Tony's
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that was an older gentleman.
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-And so...
-KAREN LICHTIN: Like how old?
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CYNTHIA: And he apparently
has one arm.
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So, we've been researching...
(CHUCKLES)
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...trying to figure out, like,
who this person might be.
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-All right.
-KAREN: If there is
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a significant finding,
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is he required
to tell the family?
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(SOFTLY) Yeah. I don't know.
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CYNTHIA: Yeah,
there's something...
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He's got something brewing.
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KAREN: I just feel like
they have found something.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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-CYNTHIA: Good morning.
-Morning.
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Y'all look like good mornings.
(CHUCKLES)
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It turned into something
that you didn't expect.
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-CYNTHIA: Amen to that.
-Mm-hmm.
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-CYNTHIA: And this--
-I don't think
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that our department expected
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the case to do probably,
you know.
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Not to say that it...
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At one point in time,
it was honed in on one place.
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CYNTHIA:
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So now, if new information comes
that shows difference
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than Mom and Dad,
we can't ignore it.
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CYNTHIA:
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I will not answer that question
at this point in time.
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CYNTHIA:
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I've met with Stephen.
I've told him. I mean,
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let-- let us do our job,
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and once we come to stuff
that can be released,
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he will know.
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CYNTHIA: Is there anything
you can tell us
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about the special grand jury?
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I don't know
what you're talking about.
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I can't speak of anything
at this time.
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-STEPHEN: (ON RECORDING) Hello?
-CYNTHIA: Hey.
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STEPHEN: So, you know,
I sent Jake a text again
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this morning. He called me back
and he heard back from the lab.
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And he was asking me if I had
or my mother would have,
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any other writings of Jennifer.
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Ideally,
some handwriting samples
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of Tony.
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But it sounded like
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they had two smaller samples
of Tony's handwriting,
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and that the analysis
of that handwriting
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does not rule him out
as the writer of the note.
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And then that's why he called
looking for other samples
247
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of Tony's handwriting
from the high school days.
248
00:15:51,289 --> 00:15:54,022
I don't know if my mother
would have samples
249
00:15:54,091 --> 00:15:56,295
of Tony's handwriting
from that period of time.
250
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AUTOMATED VOICE:
This call is being recorded.
251
00:16:01,365 --> 00:16:03,365
CYNTHIA: Hey, I just want
to let you know that I called
252
00:16:03,434 --> 00:16:07,002
your mom and she has a box
of notes
253
00:16:07,071 --> 00:16:10,606
that Jen was passing
back and forth.
254
00:16:10,675 --> 00:16:11,973
But it's up in her attic.
255
00:16:12,042 --> 00:16:13,741
She said I could come by
and pick it up.
256
00:16:13,810 --> 00:16:16,378
-So, I'm gonna go do that.
-STEPHEN: Okay, great.
257
00:16:16,447 --> 00:16:18,279
-CYNTHIA: Hey, Margie.
-MARGIE: Hey.
258
00:16:18,348 --> 00:16:19,615
CYNTHIA: Oh, right here th...
259
00:16:19,684 --> 00:16:20,749
MARGIE: Yeah, the Puma shoebox.
260
00:16:20,818 --> 00:16:22,321
The Puma shoebox. Okay.
261
00:16:22,987 --> 00:16:24,853
MARGIE: Okay.
262
00:16:24,922 --> 00:16:27,326
That right there is from Tony.
263
00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:29,591
-CYNTHIA: It is.
-Mm-hmm.
264
00:16:29,660 --> 00:16:31,696
-CYNTHIA: All right. Thank you.
-MARGIE: Bye-bye.
265
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
266
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-STEPHEN: (SIGHS) Okey-doke.
-CYNTHIA: Okay.
267
00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,649
Oh, boy.
268
00:16:54,385 --> 00:16:56,352
CYNTHIA: Yeah, I think
that one is from Tony.
269
00:16:56,421 --> 00:16:57,386
Holy cow.
270
00:16:57,455 --> 00:17:00,392
Okay, so we can make
a Tony stack.
271
00:17:01,593 --> 00:17:02,694
This is a Tony.
272
00:17:06,397 --> 00:17:08,767
It looks like my sister wrote
a brief note.
273
00:17:11,436 --> 00:17:12,437
Tony.
274
00:17:12,837 --> 00:17:14,073
Tony.
275
00:17:14,573 --> 00:17:15,537
Tony.
276
00:17:15,606 --> 00:17:17,372
Yeah, this is it.
This is all of it.
277
00:17:17,441 --> 00:17:22,311
There's dozens of them here.
Jake's gonna be really happy.
278
00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:24,279
CYNTHIA: But he did tell you
that they're looking at Tony.
279
00:17:24,348 --> 00:17:26,151
Tony. Yeah, he did say that.
280
00:17:28,052 --> 00:17:29,551
-CYNTHIA: I--
-I wonder why this guy--
281
00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:33,292
Why Charlie May?
What, I mean... (GROANS)
282
00:17:35,226 --> 00:17:37,660
What's the, you know...
(STUTTERS)
283
00:17:37,729 --> 00:17:39,261
What is the connection?
284
00:17:39,330 --> 00:17:42,130
-So we do know a few things...
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
285
00:17:42,199 --> 00:17:43,665
...that we haven't
said anything about.
286
00:17:43,734 --> 00:17:46,268
But they did have
a special grand jury.
287
00:17:46,337 --> 00:17:50,573
And we went. We saw Tony
288
00:17:50,642 --> 00:17:53,108
and Charlie May go in.
289
00:17:53,177 --> 00:17:56,448
-When was this?
-This was back in August.
290
00:18:05,056 --> 00:18:06,791
I wish somebody would have
told me that.
291
00:18:09,827 --> 00:18:11,496
(TELEPHONE RINGING)
292
00:18:12,196 --> 00:18:13,295
STEPHEN: Hello?
293
00:18:13,364 --> 00:18:14,629
JAKE: Hey, Stephen, it's Jake.
294
00:18:14,698 --> 00:18:20,002
So, we got this box of letters
from Tony.
295
00:18:20,071 --> 00:18:22,537
There's, like, probably 50
of them here.
296
00:18:22,606 --> 00:18:24,273
Do you want me to send them
all to you?
297
00:18:24,342 --> 00:18:25,374
-JAKE: Yes.
-STEPHEN: Do you want
298
00:18:25,443 --> 00:18:26,976
-a few of them?
-JAKE: All of them.
299
00:18:27,045 --> 00:18:28,310
Well, I'm gonna overnight it
to you.
300
00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:31,079
-You'll have this tomorrow.
-JAKE: Okay.
301
00:18:31,148 --> 00:18:33,318
-Question. Um...
-Jake: Uh-huh?
302
00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:36,584
What-- what changed,
303
00:18:36,653 --> 00:18:39,791
or what did you guys
find that...
304
00:18:40,858 --> 00:18:42,623
is leading you towards Tony?
305
00:18:42,692 --> 00:18:44,392
Because I'm trying
to process all this,
306
00:18:44,461 --> 00:18:46,061
-you know, Jake.
-JAKE: Well, and it's-- like,
307
00:18:46,130 --> 00:18:48,696
I met with you
when we had found that file.
308
00:18:48,765 --> 00:18:51,300
And in there,
there was some people's names
309
00:18:51,369 --> 00:18:54,835
that hadn't ever been, you know,
talked to or anything else.
310
00:18:54,904 --> 00:18:58,907
So that led to me
actually finding an individual
311
00:18:58,976 --> 00:19:02,845
that provided information
that led me, even more,
312
00:19:02,914 --> 00:19:04,446
towards where I'm going now.
313
00:19:04,515 --> 00:19:06,048
It's 'cause it's very hard.
314
00:19:06,117 --> 00:19:09,217
We don't have a body
or a place to say,
315
00:19:09,286 --> 00:19:11,719
"Hey, this was a crime scene
30 years ago."
316
00:19:11,788 --> 00:19:14,389
You know, if I send all this
and it comes back and says,
317
00:19:14,458 --> 00:19:17,258
"Definitively, this individual
has wrote the letter,"
318
00:19:17,327 --> 00:19:19,628
then somebody needs to be--
have some explaining.
319
00:19:19,697 --> 00:19:20,963
Okay.
320
00:19:21,032 --> 00:19:22,564
All right. Well,
I'll get this to you.
321
00:19:22,633 --> 00:19:24,299
Um, you'll--
you'll have it tomorrow.
322
00:19:24,368 --> 00:19:25,935
JAKE: All right.
I appreciate it, Stephen.
323
00:19:26,004 --> 00:19:27,169
Okay, thank you.
324
00:19:27,238 --> 00:19:28,371
-JAKE: All right, thank you.
-Okay.
325
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,739
-JAKE: Bye.
-Bye.
326
00:19:29,808 --> 00:19:31,306
(BUTTON CLICKS)
327
00:19:31,375 --> 00:19:33,578
♪ (SOFT PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
328
00:19:49,922 --> 00:19:52,394
STEPHEN: "February 24th, 1986.
329
00:19:52,463 --> 00:19:55,030
I love you so dearly.
I want to go shopping with you
330
00:19:55,099 --> 00:19:56,699
so I can buy you a promise ring.
331
00:19:56,768 --> 00:19:59,067
I seriously do
'cause I love you
332
00:19:59,136 --> 00:20:00,631
and I would not mind
marrying you."
333
00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,737
"March 24th, 1986.
334
00:20:02,806 --> 00:20:05,335
I want to fall asleep with you
sometime soon.
335
00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:09,444
If me and you ever have a child,
I think we will, I hope so.
336
00:20:09,513 --> 00:20:11,747
If it's a little girl,
I want it to look like you."
337
00:20:11,816 --> 00:20:14,116
"June 6th, 1986.
338
00:20:14,185 --> 00:20:16,384
As long as we work out
our problems,
339
00:20:16,453 --> 00:20:19,254
we will stay together.
Unless you cheat on me,
340
00:20:19,323 --> 00:20:20,755
or I cheat on you.
341
00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:23,325
Don't think nothing like that
will happen though,
342
00:20:23,394 --> 00:20:24,759
'cause we love each other.
343
00:20:24,828 --> 00:20:28,363
And you know I would kill you
and whoever it was."
344
00:20:28,432 --> 00:20:29,565
CYNTHIA:
So this one right here,
345
00:20:29,634 --> 00:20:31,432
Stephen,
this is September 24th.
346
00:20:31,501 --> 00:20:34,569
So this was after they broke up,
after the abortion.
347
00:20:34,638 --> 00:20:37,305
STEPHEN: "How are you doing?
You seem to be in a good mood.
348
00:20:37,374 --> 00:20:38,640
I tried calling you last night.
349
00:20:38,709 --> 00:20:40,475
I called several times
and let it ring
350
00:20:40,544 --> 00:20:42,714
about four times,
but you never called back."
351
00:20:45,216 --> 00:20:46,447
DONNIE NORRELL:
This is a packet.
352
00:20:46,516 --> 00:20:49,284
We just got Jennifer's notes.
353
00:20:49,353 --> 00:20:51,553
In those notes, I read a part
354
00:20:51,622 --> 00:20:55,023
where she describes
a sexual act that she...
355
00:20:55,092 --> 00:20:56,792
-Mm-hmm.
-...did with him.
356
00:20:56,861 --> 00:20:59,194
"October 11th, 1986."
357
00:20:59,263 --> 00:21:01,696
-DONNIE:
Right after the abortion.
-When'd she have the abortion?
358
00:21:01,765 --> 00:21:05,266
DONNIE: I think it was
in August of '86.
359
00:21:05,335 --> 00:21:08,369
Ah-ha! "My arms have marks
on them,
360
00:21:08,438 --> 00:21:10,606
not to mention bruises
from where you threw me
361
00:21:10,675 --> 00:21:12,507
on the bed. Hope you're happy.
362
00:21:12,576 --> 00:21:15,743
Stop throwing me around
like some dumbass whore.
363
00:21:15,812 --> 00:21:18,614
Call me back and call me
when you say you are..."
364
00:21:18,683 --> 00:21:20,448
STEPHEN:
"I told you I didn't care
365
00:21:20,517 --> 00:21:22,484
if it was two in the morning.
Just call me back
366
00:21:22,553 --> 00:21:24,619
when you say you are.
Stop lying to me.
367
00:21:24,688 --> 00:21:27,990
I know you couldn't stay away
from Cori for one freaking day.
368
00:21:28,059 --> 00:21:29,057
Now, I see
369
00:21:29,126 --> 00:21:31,287
why you didn't want me
to go to the mall with you.
370
00:21:31,356 --> 00:21:33,929
'Cause you had already planned
to pick up Cori."
371
00:21:33,998 --> 00:21:35,430
August, she has the abortion.
372
00:21:35,499 --> 00:21:37,099
-DONNIE: Mm-hmm.
-October '86,
373
00:21:37,168 --> 00:21:38,567
she's still fooling around
with Tony.
374
00:21:38,636 --> 00:21:40,602
He's given her bruises,
from this letter.
375
00:21:40,671 --> 00:21:43,038
-She still loves him.
-DONNIE: But he's with Cori.
376
00:21:43,107 --> 00:21:44,234
LENA SISCO: But with Cori.
377
00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:46,876
And then in February, 1987,
she goes missing.
378
00:21:46,945 --> 00:21:48,543
DONNIE: Mm-hmm.
379
00:21:48,612 --> 00:21:50,145
LENA: So
if they were still together
380
00:21:50,214 --> 00:21:51,246
in October,
381
00:21:51,315 --> 00:21:53,047
were they still together
in February?
382
00:21:53,116 --> 00:21:55,483
-DONNIE: Sneaking around
behind Cori's back.
-LENA: Right. Right.
383
00:21:55,552 --> 00:21:56,617
Were they still sneaking around?
384
00:21:56,686 --> 00:21:57,853
Because that's what
they were doing...
385
00:21:57,922 --> 00:21:59,524
-DONNIE: Yeah.
-...behind Cori's back.
386
00:22:01,926 --> 00:22:04,029
I didn't know any of this.
I was gone.
387
00:22:08,966 --> 00:22:10,330
I didn't know any of it.
388
00:22:20,377 --> 00:22:21,877
TONY TOBLER:
As things change in your life
389
00:22:21,946 --> 00:22:23,646
and your direction
goes somewhere else,
390
00:22:23,715 --> 00:22:25,113
you don't think about it.
391
00:22:25,182 --> 00:22:26,415
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
392
00:22:26,484 --> 00:22:28,587
After a certain amount of time,
it's just-- just...
393
00:22:29,287 --> 00:22:30,552
It's not there.
394
00:22:30,621 --> 00:22:32,854
You know,
as far as you thinking about it,
395
00:22:32,923 --> 00:22:34,923
or as often as you should,
you know,
396
00:22:34,992 --> 00:22:38,026
and it's actually something
that, sadly, you get to a point
397
00:22:38,095 --> 00:22:40,499
where you just--
kind of just forget about it.
398
00:22:41,065 --> 00:22:43,760
CYNTHIA:
399
00:22:43,829 --> 00:22:44,900
Say that again.
400
00:22:44,969 --> 00:22:50,239
CYNTHIA:
401
00:22:50,308 --> 00:22:52,373
Did I think
that other people thought
402
00:22:52,442 --> 00:22:53,979
I had something to do with it?
403
00:22:55,112 --> 00:22:57,745
Not until years later.
404
00:22:57,814 --> 00:23:01,950
I'm talking to a police officer
that her dad...
405
00:23:02,019 --> 00:23:06,588
you know. My guess was like,
"Well, talk to him."
406
00:23:06,657 --> 00:23:10,162
You know and my response was,
um, I think I was...
407
00:23:11,062 --> 00:23:12,531
16 years old.
408
00:23:14,031 --> 00:23:17,933
Okay. You know,
what would I have to do with it?
409
00:23:18,002 --> 00:23:24,340
CHRISTINE DELP:
410
00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:27,209
CYNTHIA:
411
00:23:27,278 --> 00:23:28,577
From the breakup?
412
00:23:28,646 --> 00:23:31,550
I mean, how long do y'all think
that her and I dated?
413
00:23:33,317 --> 00:23:34,682
'Cause it wasn't long.
414
00:23:34,751 --> 00:23:38,186
I mean it wasn't like years
or nothin'. (CHUCKLES) So...
415
00:23:38,255 --> 00:23:41,723
CYNTHIA: And what interactions
have you had with...
416
00:23:41,792 --> 00:23:44,196
KAREN: It has thrown him
for a huge loop
417
00:23:45,062 --> 00:23:48,428
and made him question
everything.
418
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,430
It's been torture.
419
00:23:51,235 --> 00:23:52,667
Just to be blunt.
420
00:23:52,736 --> 00:23:57,505
I think he wants to understand
and believe
421
00:23:57,574 --> 00:24:02,077
that maybe this new turn
that the case and the story
422
00:24:02,146 --> 00:24:03,946
has taken is true.
423
00:24:04,015 --> 00:24:06,643
He-- I think he really wants it
to be true.
424
00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:08,049
To me,
425
00:24:08,118 --> 00:24:11,419
there's some--
still some really weird things
426
00:24:11,488 --> 00:24:14,155
that if your child goes missing,
427
00:24:14,224 --> 00:24:16,926
why would you make something up,
428
00:24:16,995 --> 00:24:19,494
or why... I just...
429
00:24:19,563 --> 00:24:22,397
From everything that
I have seen and read,
430
00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:25,467
it still raises red flags
with me.
431
00:24:25,536 --> 00:24:28,270
I do not think
he will ever reconcile
432
00:24:28,339 --> 00:24:30,972
with his father. Um...
433
00:24:31,041 --> 00:24:34,677
But I do-- He is talking
more and more about recon--
434
00:24:34,746 --> 00:24:36,545
you know, reconciling
with his mother
435
00:24:36,614 --> 00:24:38,680
and showing compassion.
436
00:24:38,749 --> 00:24:41,717
He keeps using that word
over and over again to me.
437
00:24:41,786 --> 00:24:43,555
-CYNTHIA: Compassion.
-Compassion.
438
00:25:16,621 --> 00:25:17,887
Uh, this is...
439
00:25:17,956 --> 00:25:20,755
Like, I guess the, um,
Tony to Jennifer.
440
00:25:20,824 --> 00:25:24,259
This is from a note
dated April 11th, 1986.
441
00:25:24,328 --> 00:25:26,696
"I'm glad you called me
last night at Charlie's.
442
00:25:26,765 --> 00:25:28,363
I'm glad we had that talk
443
00:25:28,432 --> 00:25:30,365
that we had.
I love you so much."
444
00:25:30,434 --> 00:25:31,667
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
445
00:25:31,736 --> 00:25:33,869
"February 3rd, 1986.
446
00:25:33,938 --> 00:25:36,738
Dear Jennifer, how are you?
I'm terrible.
447
00:25:36,807 --> 00:25:38,273
Right now I'm over at Charlie's.
448
00:25:38,342 --> 00:25:40,509
I tried to call you,
but you were babysitting."
449
00:25:40,578 --> 00:25:43,779
"April 11th, 1986. It's 12:30.
450
00:25:43,848 --> 00:25:45,848
I just spent the last hour
and a half
451
00:25:45,917 --> 00:25:47,883
talking to Charlie out
in the woods.
452
00:25:47,952 --> 00:25:50,152
Jennifer, I've cried
my eyes out tonight.
453
00:25:50,221 --> 00:25:51,790
I've cried about Charlie..."
454
00:25:55,894 --> 00:25:57,658
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
455
00:25:57,727 --> 00:26:01,496
Here's a bunch of notes
that references Charlie.
456
00:26:01,565 --> 00:26:04,434
So, clearly,
they knew each other, right?
457
00:26:04,503 --> 00:26:05,968
Or my sister knew Charlie
458
00:26:06,037 --> 00:26:08,303
and I don't know
if he helped them...
459
00:26:08,372 --> 00:26:09,805
DONNIE:
Did you ever see Charlie?
460
00:26:09,874 --> 00:26:11,944
-I don't know.
-You know,
461
00:26:12,643 --> 00:26:14,677
when we first started...
462
00:26:14,746 --> 00:26:17,813
-Sure.
-...talking, everybody's focus,
463
00:26:17,882 --> 00:26:19,748
-including mine...
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
464
00:26:19,817 --> 00:26:23,618
...was, like, zeroed in
on your father and your mother
465
00:26:23,687 --> 00:26:26,255
because nobody knew
who this Charlie was...
466
00:26:26,324 --> 00:26:29,391
-STEPHEN: Right.
-...until he shows up
at the Grand Jury.
467
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:31,426
Never-- never met him,
never seen him.
468
00:26:31,495 --> 00:26:32,795
-DONNIE: Okay.
-Never heard his name
469
00:26:32,864 --> 00:26:35,364
until relatively recently.
470
00:26:35,433 --> 00:26:37,970
(CAR ENGINE RUMBLING)
471
00:26:46,911 --> 00:26:48,711
-ANDREA WEIGL:
-CHARLIE MAY:
472
00:26:48,780 --> 00:26:53,182
-ANDREA:
-CYNTHIA:
473
00:26:53,251 --> 00:27:00,325
-ANDREA: And we're producers.
-CYNTHIA:
474
00:27:01,325 --> 00:27:03,728
-CHARLIE:
-ANDREA:
475
00:27:06,097 --> 00:27:07,666
ANDREA:
476
00:27:09,668 --> 00:27:13,738
ANDREA:
477
00:27:17,842 --> 00:27:20,108
♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL
MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
478
00:27:20,177 --> 00:27:23,411
CYNTHIA: The first that we heard
of Charlie was through your dad.
479
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,749
So, then we found,
like, four or five Charlie Mays
480
00:27:26,818 --> 00:27:28,950
in the South that fit
that age group.
481
00:27:29,019 --> 00:27:31,519
He popped up in the system again
482
00:27:31,588 --> 00:27:34,122
because he had
an assault charge,
483
00:27:34,191 --> 00:27:36,028
and so it allowed us
to find him.
484
00:27:37,061 --> 00:27:38,030
Okay.
485
00:27:39,097 --> 00:27:40,065
Well...
486
00:27:44,335 --> 00:27:46,871
I'd love to--
I'd love to talk to Charlie May.
487
00:27:48,372 --> 00:27:50,906
CYNTHIA: We have the number
of the woman who operates
488
00:27:50,975 --> 00:27:53,843
-that homeless shelter.
-Mm-hmm.
489
00:27:53,912 --> 00:27:56,048
Eight-hour drive, it says,
from Charlotte.
490
00:27:58,016 --> 00:28:00,785
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
491
00:28:14,533 --> 00:28:15,800
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
492
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,574
STEPHEN: How ya doin'?
Charlie? All right, come on in.
493
00:28:25,643 --> 00:28:26,708
How ya doin', sir?
494
00:28:26,777 --> 00:28:27,910
STEPHEN: I'm doing great,
how are you?
495
00:28:27,979 --> 00:28:29,281
Come on in and have a seat.
496
00:28:31,683 --> 00:28:33,382
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
497
00:28:33,451 --> 00:28:35,584
-Good morning, sir. I'm Charles.
-STEPHEN: Good morning.
498
00:28:35,653 --> 00:28:37,018
-I'm Stephen Pandos.
-Steve?
499
00:28:37,087 --> 00:28:38,621
STEPHEN: I'm Jennifer's brother.
500
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:41,260
Oh, I'm sorry for your loss.
501
00:28:42,126 --> 00:28:44,892
-I hope we can...
-Thank you.
502
00:28:44,961 --> 00:28:47,796
-CHARLIE:
...get this figured out.
-Yeah, well. Me too.
503
00:28:47,865 --> 00:28:49,331
I'd like to
504
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,204
have some justice for Jennifer
and some peace for my mother.
505
00:28:52,937 --> 00:28:55,203
-Yes, I'm sure.
-STEPHEN: Yes.
506
00:28:55,272 --> 00:28:58,406
How did you meet Tony?
Uh, you know?
507
00:28:58,475 --> 00:29:00,109
I was out on the railroad tracks
508
00:29:00,178 --> 00:29:03,913
one day and, you know,
doing my martial arts workout
509
00:29:03,982 --> 00:29:07,682
on the tracks
and smokin' a joint,
510
00:29:07,751 --> 00:29:12,187
and Tony was walkin' out
and comin' up to.
511
00:29:12,256 --> 00:29:13,254
We sit there,
512
00:29:13,323 --> 00:29:16,258
-and we got high together.
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
513
00:29:16,327 --> 00:29:19,127
You know, once in a while
he'd asked me to get him
514
00:29:19,196 --> 00:29:21,463
a bag of weed
and I'd get him some,
515
00:29:21,532 --> 00:29:24,933
or I'd ask him to get me--
ask if he'd give me a bag.
516
00:29:25,002 --> 00:29:27,903
Yeah. So, you know,
that was just more or less...
517
00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:29,508
We was more or less just...
518
00:29:30,074 --> 00:29:32,335
associates smoking weed.
519
00:29:32,404 --> 00:29:34,743
What did the police ask you?
520
00:29:34,812 --> 00:29:37,112
Basically, if I helped her
get away,
521
00:29:37,181 --> 00:29:39,415
-leave from the house, and...
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
522
00:29:39,484 --> 00:29:40,983
...I've never done that.
523
00:29:41,052 --> 00:29:42,650
You knew that
she was Tony's girlfriend?
524
00:29:42,719 --> 00:29:45,453
Right, exactly.
'Cause he introduced her
525
00:29:45,522 --> 00:29:49,057
when I first seen him
and her up at the store.
526
00:29:49,126 --> 00:29:52,661
"This is
my girlfriend-slash-fiancée."
527
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:54,529
-(STEPHEN CHUCKLES)
-Okay.
528
00:29:54,598 --> 00:29:57,732
And then I didn't see him
for such a long time.
529
00:29:57,801 --> 00:30:00,602
You know, the day he called,
it shocked me.
530
00:30:00,671 --> 00:30:04,409
He says, "I got a question
for you." I said, "Okay."
531
00:30:05,577 --> 00:30:07,012
And he says, uh...
532
00:30:08,045 --> 00:30:09,678
"How do... If you--
533
00:30:09,747 --> 00:30:12,314
If you had to get rid
of a dead body,
534
00:30:12,383 --> 00:30:14,253
what would--
how would you do it?"
535
00:30:16,420 --> 00:30:19,788
I just simply said,
"Well, just take--
536
00:30:19,857 --> 00:30:21,393
put 'em in a bucket of acid,"
537
00:30:22,226 --> 00:30:23,124
you know?
538
00:30:23,193 --> 00:30:25,288
It would dissolve the body
or whatever.
539
00:30:25,357 --> 00:30:26,565
-Mm-hmm.
-But, uh...
540
00:30:28,732 --> 00:30:30,465
he said,
"Where would I get a barrel?"
541
00:30:30,534 --> 00:30:33,168
I said, "I guess off
an old construction site,
542
00:30:33,237 --> 00:30:36,305
I don't know. (CHUCKLES)
Just an old burn barrel."
543
00:30:36,374 --> 00:30:37,906
-Sure.
-CHARLIE: "What about acid?"
544
00:30:37,975 --> 00:30:40,610
I said, "You've got all these
545
00:30:40,679 --> 00:30:43,078
different places
building houses.
546
00:30:43,147 --> 00:30:44,980
They got to clean the brick..."
547
00:30:45,049 --> 00:30:47,449
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
-"...after they put a brick up.
548
00:30:47,518 --> 00:30:51,323
The brick's normally cleaned
with muriatic acid.
549
00:30:52,623 --> 00:30:56,124
And that's what--
They're in gallon jugs, Jim.
550
00:30:56,193 --> 00:30:57,963
That's what you're gonna
have to get."
551
00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:01,129
"Oh, okay, okay." You know.
552
00:31:01,198 --> 00:31:03,565
He had a little anxiousness
in his voice.
553
00:31:03,634 --> 00:31:04,700
Mm-hmm.
554
00:31:04,769 --> 00:31:06,235
CHARLIE: He called me back
and told me,
555
00:31:06,304 --> 00:31:08,871
"Hey, that little problem
I said-- I told you I had,
556
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:11,543
don't worry, I got--
it's taken care of."
557
00:31:12,777 --> 00:31:14,276
"Uh-huh?"
558
00:31:14,345 --> 00:31:16,044
I didn't understand
what he was talkin' about.
559
00:31:16,113 --> 00:31:19,018
He says, "About needing
to get rid of a dead body."
560
00:31:19,718 --> 00:31:21,049
And I said, "Oh, yeah. Okay."
561
00:31:21,118 --> 00:31:22,350
And I just kinda laughed
about it,
562
00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:24,754
and said,
"Right Tony. Yeah, sure."
563
00:31:24,823 --> 00:31:25,954
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
-You know?
564
00:31:26,023 --> 00:31:29,424
(EXHALES)
I thought he was joking.
565
00:31:29,493 --> 00:31:34,396
It took him two or three times
before he'd say anything.
566
00:31:34,465 --> 00:31:37,032
He told me he got in a fight
with your sister.
567
00:31:37,101 --> 00:31:40,105
That he'd hit her.
She fell and hit her head.
568
00:31:40,905 --> 00:31:42,074
And...
569
00:31:43,575 --> 00:31:44,543
she was dead.
570
00:31:45,575 --> 00:31:48,477
I didn't think
what he was saying was true.
571
00:31:48,546 --> 00:31:50,212
-STEPHEN: Right.
-So, I didn't say nothin'
572
00:31:50,281 --> 00:31:52,982
to the police or anything
'cause I didn't know.
573
00:31:53,051 --> 00:31:55,417
But I didn't think he was joking
when the cops come out
574
00:31:55,486 --> 00:31:57,753
talking to me,
saying I had something
575
00:31:57,822 --> 00:31:58,888
to do with something.
576
00:31:58,957 --> 00:32:02,624
Did you tell the police
in-- in 1987
577
00:32:02,693 --> 00:32:04,663
that-- that Tony had called you?
578
00:32:05,664 --> 00:32:09,565
I don't believe I did. I just...
579
00:32:09,634 --> 00:32:11,500
Everything was so crazy.
580
00:32:11,569 --> 00:32:14,069
-STEPHEN: Yeah. Yeah.
-And... (EXHALES)
581
00:32:14,138 --> 00:32:16,337
...it's still crazy.
582
00:32:16,406 --> 00:32:19,441
So the cops showed up
and started interviewing you
583
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:20,709
in 1987.
584
00:32:20,778 --> 00:32:22,614
(CHUCKLES) Browbeat me.
585
00:32:24,148 --> 00:32:28,149
Took a-- took more or less,
you know,
586
00:32:28,218 --> 00:32:29,418
"You're dead. You're a goner.
587
00:32:29,487 --> 00:32:31,186
You're guilty. You did this.
You did..."
588
00:32:31,255 --> 00:32:32,788
"No. I did not do that."
589
00:32:32,857 --> 00:32:34,155
STEPHEN:
What were this and that?
590
00:32:34,224 --> 00:32:35,623
That you would have, like,
went into the neighborhood...
591
00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:37,292
-CHARLIE: Yeah.
-...that you went to her house,
592
00:32:37,361 --> 00:32:39,160
-and helped her leave and...
-CHARLIE: Right. Exactly.
593
00:32:39,229 --> 00:32:42,034
I've told time and time again,
594
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,032
over and over,
595
00:32:44,101 --> 00:32:48,070
I did not take Jennifer
from your home,
596
00:32:48,139 --> 00:32:51,272
or help her leave that area.
597
00:32:51,341 --> 00:32:55,839
And I did not have anything
to do with
598
00:32:55,908 --> 00:32:58,479
this murder,
or whatever you wanna call it,
599
00:32:58,548 --> 00:33:02,751
which it could--
It could've been an accident.
600
00:33:02,820 --> 00:33:06,054
-I don't know. I wasn't there.
-STEPHEN: Sure. Yeah. Right
601
00:33:06,123 --> 00:33:08,390
He did say that he used a barrel
of acid?
602
00:33:08,459 --> 00:33:10,291
He just said
the problem was taken care of.
603
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,724
-CYNTHIA: So, you don't know
how he took care of it?
-I don't know how he done it.
604
00:33:13,793 --> 00:33:15,063
CYNTHIA:
Like, is there anybody else
605
00:33:15,132 --> 00:33:19,034
that you may have spoken to
back then and said,
606
00:33:19,103 --> 00:33:22,174
-"Tony called me and told me?"
-No.
607
00:33:23,875 --> 00:33:25,736
Nope.
608
00:33:25,805 --> 00:33:27,376
Do you have
any further questions
609
00:33:27,445 --> 00:33:28,677
-for me?
-STEPHEN: I don't, Charlie.
610
00:33:28,746 --> 00:33:33,483
I know it's probably unorthodox,
but may I pray with you?
611
00:33:33,552 --> 00:33:34,519
STEPHEN: Sure.
612
00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:40,889
Most Gracious Heavenly Father,
Lord God, Jehovah,
613
00:33:40,958 --> 00:33:42,290
I ask you, Father God,
614
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,127
place your hands
upon the Pandos family.
615
00:33:45,196 --> 00:33:47,429
Give them Jennifer.
616
00:33:47,498 --> 00:33:50,265
Lord, I ask you
to take and bring her up
617
00:33:50,334 --> 00:33:52,333
for the family to have closure.
618
00:33:52,402 --> 00:33:55,270
Put your loving arms
around the family.
619
00:33:55,339 --> 00:33:58,240
I lift them up to you, Lord,
to protect.
620
00:33:58,309 --> 00:34:01,043
I lift them up to you
to give the answers.
621
00:34:01,112 --> 00:34:03,682
♪ (SOFT ELECTRONIC
MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
622
00:34:09,053 --> 00:34:10,555
STEPHEN: It's just hard to hear.
623
00:34:17,795 --> 00:34:19,131
Really hard to hear.
624
00:34:22,532 --> 00:34:25,370
CYNTHIA: So, how reliable
do you think Charlie May is?
625
00:34:27,038 --> 00:34:28,373
STEPHEN: Charlie has his issues.
626
00:34:29,473 --> 00:34:31,543
But he doesn't have any reason
to make it up.
627
00:34:33,945 --> 00:34:35,711
CYNTHIA:
It does cause me concern
628
00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:37,045
that in 1987,
629
00:34:37,114 --> 00:34:39,048
when they interviewed him
initially,
630
00:34:39,117 --> 00:34:42,583
that he didn't say a thing
about any of this.
631
00:34:42,652 --> 00:34:45,620
STEPHEN: Certainly disappointing
that he didn't.
632
00:34:45,689 --> 00:34:48,724
What are the reasons
why he didn't? I don't know.
633
00:34:48,793 --> 00:34:51,826
None of them could be very good.
634
00:34:51,895 --> 00:34:54,429
CYNTHIA: Yeah, that story,
like if you are sitting there
635
00:34:54,498 --> 00:34:57,666
as a prosecutor with that being
the piece of evidence
636
00:34:57,735 --> 00:34:59,001
that you have...
637
00:34:59,070 --> 00:35:00,372
STEPHEN: You'd want more.
638
00:35:06,777 --> 00:35:12,847
Over the last week, there's been
one or two moments where...
639
00:35:12,916 --> 00:35:17,619
the shame of thinking
that my parents were involved
640
00:35:17,688 --> 00:35:21,326
in this moral atrocity
was lifted.
641
00:35:22,392 --> 00:35:26,327
But those moments, you know
all that is...
642
00:35:26,396 --> 00:35:27,863
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
643
00:35:27,932 --> 00:35:32,133
...it's replaced by, you know,
an extreme guilt.
644
00:35:32,202 --> 00:35:35,174
Right? For all that I have
denied my mother,
645
00:35:36,073 --> 00:35:38,239
and her relationship
with Elizabeth
646
00:35:38,308 --> 00:35:42,210
and Anna Catherine,
and theirs with her.
647
00:35:42,279 --> 00:35:44,412
And it's no one's fault
but my own
648
00:35:44,481 --> 00:35:48,745
that I have caused so much hurt
on top
649
00:35:48,814 --> 00:35:51,656
of an already tragic situation.
650
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:55,657
And that's crushing.
651
00:35:55,726 --> 00:35:58,526
CYNTHIA: What's the next step
with your mom do you think?
652
00:35:58,595 --> 00:36:00,863
You know,
get some more information
653
00:36:00,932 --> 00:36:02,334
from Jake if I can.
654
00:36:03,101 --> 00:36:04,303
Um...
655
00:36:05,637 --> 00:36:06,671
And then...
656
00:36:08,572 --> 00:36:10,609
And then figure out the things
with my mom.
657
00:36:11,804 --> 00:36:13,245
Everybody needs your mom.
658
00:36:14,511 --> 00:36:16,381
CYNTHIA:
I think she needs you, too.
659
00:36:16,748 --> 00:36:17,716
Yeah.
660
00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:22,951
CHRISTINE: What do you want
from Stephen?
661
00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:26,822
Do you want, like,
an apology or--
662
00:36:26,891 --> 00:36:28,660
No, no apology.
663
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,296
What he did, he...
664
00:36:32,229 --> 00:36:33,732
And what he's doing...
665
00:36:35,933 --> 00:36:39,371
about the investigation...
666
00:36:40,171 --> 00:36:42,441
just fills my heart.
667
00:36:42,941 --> 00:36:43,943
But...
668
00:36:45,143 --> 00:36:46,976
it breaks my heart
at the same time
669
00:36:47,045 --> 00:36:48,208
that he has...
670
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,578
(CLEARS THROAT)
671
00:36:50,647 --> 00:36:53,982
...taken the attitude with me
that he has.
672
00:36:54,051 --> 00:36:55,583
But, no.
673
00:36:55,652 --> 00:36:57,453
He doesn't need to
walk in the door
674
00:36:57,522 --> 00:36:58,958
and say, "Mom, I'm sorry."
675
00:37:01,521 --> 00:37:02,627
Um...
676
00:37:03,862 --> 00:37:06,226
All he needs to do
is walk in the door.
677
00:37:07,064 --> 00:37:10,002
That's all. That's all.
678
00:37:11,569 --> 00:37:13,672
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
679
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:26,986
AUTOMATED VOICE:
This call is being recorded.
680
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:30,352
STEPHEN: I spoke to Jake
for just a second.
681
00:37:30,421 --> 00:37:35,085
And he made reference to--
my sister wrote Tony a note,
682
00:37:35,154 --> 00:37:36,692
I don't know
if it was in a notebook,
683
00:37:36,761 --> 00:37:38,763
the night before
she disappeared.
684
00:37:39,196 --> 00:37:40,162
CYNTHIA: Huh.
685
00:37:40,231 --> 00:37:42,464
STEPHEN: Jake didn't know
if she gave it to him.
686
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:46,834
If she, you know,
read it to him or whatever.
687
00:37:46,903 --> 00:37:49,474
CYNTHIA: And how does he know
that it was written that night?
688
00:37:50,975 --> 00:37:52,473
STEPHEN: The night
before she disappeared?
689
00:37:52,542 --> 00:37:54,274
-I guess it was dated.
-CYNTHIA: Yeah.
690
00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:59,009
(DIAL TONE RINGING)
691
00:37:59,078 --> 00:38:01,316
-JAKE: Hello.
-Hey, Jake. Stephen.
692
00:38:01,385 --> 00:38:02,951
-JAKE: Hey.
-How are ya?
693
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:03,886
JAKE: All right.
694
00:38:03,955 --> 00:38:06,388
So, the note that I've got,
the copy of it
695
00:38:06,457 --> 00:38:07,823
that I'd found in the file,
696
00:38:07,892 --> 00:38:13,128
it's dated 2/9 of '87
at 7:42 p.m.
697
00:38:13,197 --> 00:38:15,030
-Okay.
-JAKE: So, this says,
698
00:38:15,099 --> 00:38:17,498
"Tony. Hey, what's up?
699
00:38:17,567 --> 00:38:20,202
Like, I'm kind of imagining
you're at Cori's right now.
700
00:38:20,271 --> 00:38:22,337
Anyways, I just wrote
to tell you
701
00:38:22,406 --> 00:38:24,873
that you should not have
lied to me.
702
00:38:24,942 --> 00:38:27,943
I'm not yet sure
what I'm gonna do to hurt you
703
00:38:28,012 --> 00:38:30,780
the way that you hurt me
by lying to me.
704
00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:34,449
But I can assure
it won't be pleasant.
705
00:38:34,518 --> 00:38:36,651
I think I'm gonna do
you a very, very big..."
706
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,187
STEPHEN: "I think
I'm going to do you
707
00:38:38,256 --> 00:38:39,721
a very, very big favor.
708
00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:42,658
Just don't ask what
'cause I'll only tell you
709
00:38:42,727 --> 00:38:44,293
when I feel the time is right.
710
00:38:44,362 --> 00:38:46,494
But I will tell you this.
711
00:38:46,563 --> 00:38:49,698
It will do you a very big favor,
at least in my eyes,
712
00:38:49,767 --> 00:38:51,534
which could be deceiving you.
713
00:38:51,603 --> 00:38:53,835
Well, just thought I'd say
714
00:38:53,904 --> 00:38:56,371
you'll pay for lying to me.
Jennifer."
715
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,473
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
716
00:38:57,542 --> 00:38:59,641
As she's writing that,
717
00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:02,510
that was the night before.
I talked to her that night.
718
00:39:02,579 --> 00:39:04,613
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
-(SNIFFS)
719
00:39:04,682 --> 00:39:08,651
If Jennifer was about to-- to--
to bust him for a lie,
720
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,722
for a big lie where he...
721
00:39:11,388 --> 00:39:13,455
Tony had something to lose,
722
00:39:13,524 --> 00:39:16,491
it's not that far of a stretch
that something bad
723
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,793
-and unintentional happened.
-Right. Right.
724
00:39:18,862 --> 00:39:21,496
-I did tell the-- Jake...
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
725
00:39:21,565 --> 00:39:22,798
...she would've walked out
of the house
726
00:39:22,867 --> 00:39:24,666
for only one person
and that was Tony
727
00:39:24,735 --> 00:39:26,335
who could've gotten her
out of the house.
728
00:39:26,404 --> 00:39:27,536
All right.
729
00:39:27,605 --> 00:39:29,538
SHARON ROSE STEWARD:
But it's just...
730
00:39:29,607 --> 00:39:31,406
all these emotions that, like,
731
00:39:31,475 --> 00:39:33,674
I remember going through then
of being mad
732
00:39:33,743 --> 00:39:36,044
and if she really did run away,
and then you learn--
733
00:39:36,113 --> 00:39:38,045
And then you learn that it has
nothing to do with you...
734
00:39:38,114 --> 00:39:40,282
-SHARON: Had nothing. Exactly.
-...and how you internalize it,
735
00:39:40,351 --> 00:39:41,851
and how you think about it.
736
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,053
-It's crazy.
-You know, how you...
737
00:39:44,122 --> 00:39:47,723
How people experience things
and reality may...
738
00:39:47,792 --> 00:39:49,324
-Mm-hmm. Yeah.
-STEPHEN: ...indeed be
739
00:39:49,393 --> 00:39:51,459
the 180-degrees opposite
740
00:39:51,528 --> 00:39:54,529
-of-- of what they think.
-Right.
741
00:39:54,598 --> 00:39:57,802
♪ (SOFT INSTRUMENTAL
MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
742
00:40:23,294 --> 00:40:24,393
JAKE: The way that it reads,
743
00:40:24,462 --> 00:40:26,695
it points
to that individual doing it.
744
00:40:26,764 --> 00:40:29,430
So, the probable is
more of a not,
745
00:40:29,499 --> 00:40:32,367
-"Okay, we're at 50/50."
-Yeah.
746
00:40:32,436 --> 00:40:34,737
JAKE: It suggests
that he wrote it.
747
00:40:34,806 --> 00:40:37,572
You've been patient
for a long time.
748
00:40:37,641 --> 00:40:40,179
You just gonna have to be
patient for a little bit longer.
749
00:40:41,578 --> 00:40:44,016
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
750
00:41:14,378 --> 00:41:17,917
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
751
00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:26,992
(SCANNERS BEEPING)
752
00:42:04,261 --> 00:42:05,527
STEPHEN: This is the affidavit
753
00:42:05,596 --> 00:42:07,900
for a search warrant
for Tony's DNA. It's...
754
00:42:08,567 --> 00:42:10,398
I think 13 pages,
755
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:13,168
and then Attachment A
is the affidavit
756
00:42:13,237 --> 00:42:14,135
from the police department.
757
00:42:14,204 --> 00:42:17,105
The affidavit just spells out
probable cause
758
00:42:17,174 --> 00:42:18,310
for the search warrant.
759
00:42:19,711 --> 00:42:21,013
Okay. There we go.
760
00:42:22,113 --> 00:42:24,479
Thirteen. It's--
that's six dollars and 50 cents.
761
00:42:24,548 --> 00:42:26,782
-STEPHEN: Thank you so much.
-CLERK: No problem.
Have a good day.
762
00:42:26,851 --> 00:42:28,653
STEPHEN: Thanks. You, too.
763
00:42:43,868 --> 00:42:48,070
So you know, this says,
"On 10/24, 2017,
764
00:42:48,139 --> 00:42:50,038
Investigator Rice interviewed
Charlie May
765
00:42:50,107 --> 00:42:52,074
at the Crestview,
Florida Police Department.
766
00:42:52,143 --> 00:42:55,077
Charlie May advised that
Tony called him and asked,
767
00:42:55,146 --> 00:42:56,679
'How you would get rid
of evidence
768
00:42:56,748 --> 00:42:57,913
if you'd killed someone?'
769
00:42:57,982 --> 00:43:00,849
Charlie told Tony
he would put them in acid.
770
00:43:00,918 --> 00:43:02,952
Charlie states that
it wasn't until later
771
00:43:03,021 --> 00:43:05,548
that Tony told him that
he had killed his girlfriend.
772
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:08,389
Charlie stated that
Tony told him he had a fight
773
00:43:08,458 --> 00:43:09,925
with her over getting pregnant
774
00:43:09,994 --> 00:43:12,895
and her parents are going to
press rape charges."
775
00:43:12,964 --> 00:43:14,530
CYNTHIA:
Charlie did not tell us all this
776
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:15,763
when we were in Florida.
777
00:43:15,832 --> 00:43:18,028
-Yeah, he did.
-CYNTHIA: He didn't say anything
778
00:43:18,097 --> 00:43:19,101
about rape charges.
779
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:21,069
Well, no, he didn't say anything
about that.
780
00:43:21,138 --> 00:43:22,241
But, um...
781
00:43:24,308 --> 00:43:27,303
But he talked about the barrel
and he talked about acid.
782
00:43:27,372 --> 00:43:29,177
So, it appears
that Tony told him
783
00:43:29,246 --> 00:43:32,147
that he'd stole some acid
from a construction site
784
00:43:32,216 --> 00:43:33,082
with a metal barrel.
785
00:43:33,151 --> 00:43:35,717
"Tony told Charlie
that he had placed her
786
00:43:35,786 --> 00:43:37,687
in the barrel and filled it
with acid.
787
00:43:37,756 --> 00:43:40,021
Charlie states
Tony would never say
788
00:43:40,090 --> 00:43:42,157
what he did with the barrel,
but Charlie advised him
789
00:43:42,226 --> 00:43:44,092
there was some low-lying area
off the right side
790
00:43:44,161 --> 00:43:46,496
of the railroad tracks
that runs behind
791
00:43:46,565 --> 00:43:47,832
Windy Hill Trailer Park."
792
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:49,798
CYNTHIA: Because in this one,
793
00:43:49,867 --> 00:43:52,968
he says the barrel of acid story
did happen.
794
00:43:53,037 --> 00:43:55,538
And when we talked to him,
he said he wasn't sure
795
00:43:55,607 --> 00:43:56,872
if it happened.
796
00:43:56,941 --> 00:43:58,741
Well, right. He told...
But, yeah,
797
00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:00,710
what he said in Florida
was that
798
00:44:00,779 --> 00:44:03,344
that's what he told Tony
he would do.
799
00:44:03,413 --> 00:44:05,748
CYNTHIA: Mm-hmm. And this is...
800
00:44:05,817 --> 00:44:08,049
In this account,
he says that's what he...
801
00:44:08,118 --> 00:44:10,119
-That's what he did.
-CYNTHIA: That's what Tony did.
802
00:44:10,188 --> 00:44:12,191
Mm-hmm. Right.
803
00:44:13,091 --> 00:44:15,127
I don't know that that's just...
804
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,264
material in my mind. So...
805
00:44:20,765 --> 00:44:22,834
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
806
00:44:30,908 --> 00:44:32,542
STEPHEN: Hi, Wendi.
807
00:44:32,611 --> 00:44:34,076
Hey, Stephen. How are you?
808
00:44:34,145 --> 00:44:36,244
-Great. How are you?
-WENDI REED: Great.
809
00:44:36,313 --> 00:44:40,650
STEPHEN: So, you got this
search warrant and affidavit?
810
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,684
I did. Yes.
811
00:44:42,753 --> 00:44:46,121
So, what do you think
after reading this?
812
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:50,058
So, yeah, I left the department,
um, in 2019,
813
00:44:50,127 --> 00:44:56,564
and I'm retired from there now.
So, I still talk with, um,
814
00:44:56,633 --> 00:44:58,767
a few people
with the department.
815
00:44:58,836 --> 00:45:01,636
I have a few different opinions.
816
00:45:01,705 --> 00:45:05,140
You know, the first being,
uh, Charlie May
817
00:45:05,209 --> 00:45:08,338
as being reliable.
They did a few interviews
818
00:45:08,407 --> 00:45:10,512
-with him in Florida.
-Yeah.
819
00:45:10,581 --> 00:45:12,675
You know, I was told that
he gave,
820
00:45:12,744 --> 00:45:15,545
I think, four different
written statements.
821
00:45:15,614 --> 00:45:18,420
So, to me,
that's a little concerning,
822
00:45:18,489 --> 00:45:19,821
-just from...
-Mm-hmm.
823
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:21,089
...you know, from the standpoint
824
00:45:21,158 --> 00:45:25,393
of getting a valid statement
from someone.
825
00:45:25,462 --> 00:45:27,128
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
-WENDI: You know, as far as
826
00:45:27,197 --> 00:45:29,965
the information
that was provided,
827
00:45:30,034 --> 00:45:35,803
I find it hard to believe
that a 17-year-old, um,
828
00:45:35,872 --> 00:45:38,406
would know where to find
this type of stuff.
829
00:45:38,475 --> 00:45:43,979
And a 17-year-old
being able to kill someone,
830
00:45:44,048 --> 00:45:46,947
hide the body,
never tell anybody
831
00:45:47,016 --> 00:45:52,788
that tells someone else,
and then the body's never found.
832
00:45:52,857 --> 00:45:55,394
A hundred pounds of weight
833
00:45:56,594 --> 00:45:57,492
can be a lot
834
00:45:57,561 --> 00:46:00,361
when you start mixing
a lot of liquid in it.
835
00:46:00,430 --> 00:46:05,561
My understanding is they said
it was a 55-gallon drum.
836
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:07,903
That filled with liquid
is heavy.
837
00:46:07,972 --> 00:46:11,941
That'd be hard for any--
any one person to deal with.
838
00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:13,308
-WENDI: Exactly.
-Yeah.
839
00:46:13,377 --> 00:46:16,411
From reading this attachment
for the search warrant,
840
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,115
it seems like the whole case
that they have against Tony
841
00:46:20,184 --> 00:46:23,518
is based
on what Charlie May is saying
842
00:46:23,587 --> 00:46:27,122
until you get to
the last paragraph on that page,
843
00:46:27,191 --> 00:46:28,824
where they talk
about the handwriting.
844
00:46:28,893 --> 00:46:30,792
You know, so there's just...
845
00:46:30,861 --> 00:46:33,561
There is a lot of doubt still.
846
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:37,900
You know, what I had learned
from this discovery
847
00:46:37,969 --> 00:46:40,035
-of the original case file...
-Mm-hmm.
848
00:46:40,104 --> 00:46:43,873
WENDI: ...definitely gave me
reason to rethink,
849
00:46:43,942 --> 00:46:46,475
you know, the case
against your mom and dad.
850
00:46:46,544 --> 00:46:50,445
It definitely gave me doubt.
851
00:46:50,514 --> 00:46:52,715
You know, but the same thing
goes for Tony.
852
00:46:52,784 --> 00:46:54,515
Uh, yeah.
Like, for a decade,
853
00:46:54,584 --> 00:46:57,352
everybody was telling me,
"It was your parents." Right?
854
00:46:57,421 --> 00:47:00,322
You know, I can't tell you
how awful it feels
855
00:47:00,391 --> 00:47:03,225
to accuse people
of killing their kid
856
00:47:03,294 --> 00:47:06,795
and then find out
that there's information
857
00:47:06,864 --> 00:47:09,064
that was there
in the very beginning
858
00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:12,601
that would have helped
that not happen.
859
00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:15,835
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
860
00:47:32,824 --> 00:47:36,428
Wendi could get pretty nasty.
861
00:47:37,362 --> 00:47:38,330
I mean...
862
00:47:40,699 --> 00:47:44,066
downright disrespectful
and rude.
863
00:47:44,135 --> 00:47:45,801
But, I guess,
that's all part of the game.
864
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:48,404
You don't sit down
and ask polite questions
865
00:47:48,473 --> 00:47:50,642
when you want something.
866
00:47:52,371 --> 00:47:53,345
You know, it's...
867
00:47:57,041 --> 00:48:02,418
destroyed my relationships
with my son and my sisters.
868
00:48:02,487 --> 00:48:03,488
Really.
869
00:48:03,922 --> 00:48:08,324
CYNTHIA:
870
00:48:08,393 --> 00:48:09,594
I don't see one.
871
00:48:10,762 --> 00:48:13,232
I really don't.
It's been too long.
872
00:48:17,969 --> 00:48:20,005
(DIAL TONE RINGING)
873
00:48:21,238 --> 00:48:22,905
AUTOMATED VOICE:
Your call has been forwarded
874
00:48:22,974 --> 00:48:25,775
to an automated voice
messaging system.
875
00:48:25,844 --> 00:48:27,643
Good morning.
It's Stephen Pandos.
876
00:48:27,712 --> 00:48:30,245
Um, just calling to see, uh,
877
00:48:30,314 --> 00:48:32,047
if you have an update
from the lab?
878
00:48:32,116 --> 00:48:35,150
I guess,
it's been ten weeks today.
879
00:48:35,219 --> 00:48:36,885
Uh, if you could please
give me a call
880
00:48:36,954 --> 00:48:38,086
when you get a minute,
881
00:48:38,155 --> 00:48:40,192
I'd appreciate it.
Thanks very much.
882
00:48:42,294 --> 00:48:45,794
CYNTHIA:
883
00:48:45,863 --> 00:48:50,298
STEPHEN: Since January of 2009.
884
00:48:50,367 --> 00:48:53,068
Fourteen years.
Thirteen and a half years or so.
885
00:48:53,137 --> 00:48:57,973
And been filming
for the documentary,
886
00:48:58,042 --> 00:48:59,311
seven years.
887
00:48:59,678 --> 00:49:01,977
CYNTHIA:
888
00:49:02,046 --> 00:49:03,682
-With you.
-Yeah, for sure.
889
00:49:04,949 --> 00:49:07,987
CYNTHIA:
890
00:49:14,425 --> 00:49:16,491
STEPHEN: Yeah. I mean,
maybe it probably, you know,
891
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,695
uh, in the early days,
when this was a way for me
892
00:49:19,764 --> 00:49:22,734
to perhaps, you know, um...
893
00:49:26,204 --> 00:49:29,304
you know, exercise a lot
of anger towards my father,
894
00:49:29,373 --> 00:49:31,539
you know, about growing up.
895
00:49:31,608 --> 00:49:33,641
CYNTHIA: Can we talk
about the DNA testing?
896
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:37,178
It seems like such a long shot
for them to extract DNA
897
00:49:37,247 --> 00:49:41,083
from a note that was left
in Jennifer's room 35 years ago.
898
00:49:41,152 --> 00:49:42,583
And for 20 of those years,
899
00:49:42,652 --> 00:49:44,419
you know, it was
in your mom's possession.
900
00:49:44,488 --> 00:49:46,517
STEPHEN: And, you know,
other people
901
00:49:46,586 --> 00:49:48,089
surely touched the note.
902
00:49:48,158 --> 00:49:49,524
CYNTHIA:
But what if it comes back
903
00:49:49,593 --> 00:49:52,323
and it's not a match?
What does that say?
904
00:49:52,392 --> 00:49:53,294
Nothing really.
905
00:49:53,363 --> 00:49:55,264
I mean, 'cause again...
'Cause a lot of people
906
00:49:55,333 --> 00:49:56,768
have had their hands
on that note.
907
00:49:58,202 --> 00:50:01,136
CYNTHIA: At this point,
is it important for you to know
908
00:50:01,205 --> 00:50:02,707
what happened to Jennifer?
909
00:50:04,274 --> 00:50:08,047
Jennifer's truth deserves
to be told, whatever it is.
910
00:50:19,323 --> 00:50:22,057
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
911
00:50:22,126 --> 00:50:23,558
-(SIGHS) Hello, Stephen.
-STEPHEN: How are you?
912
00:50:23,627 --> 00:50:25,160
-Good to see you.
-STEPHEN: Good to see you.
913
00:50:25,229 --> 00:50:26,261
NATE GREEN: Come on back.
914
00:50:26,330 --> 00:50:27,930
We've been on the phone
so many times,
915
00:50:27,999 --> 00:50:29,597
I'm not even sure,
have you ever been here?
916
00:50:29,666 --> 00:50:32,200
-I don't think you have.
-STEPHEN: I've never been.
Not in your office, no.
917
00:50:32,269 --> 00:50:34,273
-So, you wanna just take a seat?
-Yep.
918
00:50:37,341 --> 00:50:38,607
You know, I guess
we're still waiting
919
00:50:38,676 --> 00:50:41,109
-for an update from the lab.
-Yes, uh...
920
00:50:41,178 --> 00:50:43,211
And from what I understand,
it's been a long time.
921
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,081
NATE: It has been a lot longer
than we anticipated.
922
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:48,984
I do know
that you've been frustrated,
923
00:50:49,053 --> 00:50:51,519
uh, with, kind of,
924
00:50:51,588 --> 00:50:55,690
our inability to give you
a lot of updates on this case.
925
00:50:55,759 --> 00:50:58,326
And I would love
to be able to tell you more
926
00:50:58,395 --> 00:51:00,362
about where we are looking,
but that's where we get
927
00:51:00,431 --> 00:51:02,797
into that balance
of I've got to be fair
928
00:51:02,866 --> 00:51:06,735
to both the investigation
and to any individual
929
00:51:06,804 --> 00:51:07,702
-that...
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
930
00:51:07,771 --> 00:51:09,371
...could potentially be charged
in the future.
931
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,206
I just can't talk with you
932
00:51:11,275 --> 00:51:14,776
about where that investigation
is going now.
933
00:51:14,845 --> 00:51:17,312
-I can't imagine
what you've been going through.
-Yeah.
934
00:51:17,381 --> 00:51:20,382
I have nothing but sympathy
for everything
935
00:51:20,451 --> 00:51:22,952
that you and your family
have gone through
936
00:51:23,021 --> 00:51:24,053
because of this.
937
00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,421
I would like nothing
more than to be able
938
00:51:26,490 --> 00:51:28,057
-to deliver you that truth...
-Right.
939
00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:29,191
NATE: ...in the courtroom.
940
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:31,460
But I also don't want to say
941
00:51:31,529 --> 00:51:33,528
that I...
I know for a fact
942
00:51:33,597 --> 00:51:35,964
that we are eventually
going to be in a position
943
00:51:36,033 --> 00:51:37,166
that we can charge somebody.
944
00:51:37,235 --> 00:51:40,702
This is so different
than anything
945
00:51:40,771 --> 00:51:44,306
that we've ever handled,
anything that I've ever handled.
946
00:51:44,375 --> 00:51:47,242
Because we didn't have
that original file, you know.
947
00:51:47,311 --> 00:51:49,144
We came to some bad conclusions
948
00:51:49,213 --> 00:51:50,679
because of
imperfect information.
949
00:51:50,748 --> 00:51:53,815
And we've probably tiptoed
around something
950
00:51:53,884 --> 00:51:58,487
that I think I should
have made more clear years ago.
951
00:51:58,556 --> 00:52:00,188
And that is
952
00:52:00,257 --> 00:52:02,458
the information
that we have now.
953
00:52:02,527 --> 00:52:03,424
All right.
954
00:52:03,493 --> 00:52:06,294
Your parents are not suspects
in this case.
955
00:52:06,363 --> 00:52:08,263
-They were at the time...
-Right.
956
00:52:08,332 --> 00:52:09,531
...but this office
957
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,367
is not looking at your parents,
either your mother
958
00:52:12,436 --> 00:52:14,435
or your father,
as being involved
959
00:52:14,504 --> 00:52:16,637
with your sister's
disappearance.
960
00:52:16,706 --> 00:52:19,107
We do not suspect
that your dad did this...
961
00:52:19,176 --> 00:52:20,408
-Yeah.
-...and we do not suspect
962
00:52:20,477 --> 00:52:22,443
that your mother
had any knowledge of it,
963
00:52:22,512 --> 00:52:24,780
-or had any role whatsoever.
-STEPHEN: Right. Right.
964
00:52:24,849 --> 00:52:26,751
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
965
00:52:53,911 --> 00:52:56,481
CYNTHIA:
966
00:52:58,949 --> 00:53:01,954
I feel like I have to, um...
967
00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:04,589
you know, to restart...
968
00:53:07,825 --> 00:53:09,461
you know, that relationship.
969
00:53:10,895 --> 00:53:13,598
And so I have to do it
and I have to try.
970
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,366
I wanna go and I wanna talk
to my mother about it,
971
00:53:18,435 --> 00:53:22,942
and, you know, I need
to do that in-- in private.
972
00:53:24,542 --> 00:53:26,241
What I'm gonna tell my mom
973
00:53:26,310 --> 00:53:29,511
is that the police
are now looking at Tony.
974
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:31,516
But I don't know the outcome...
975
00:53:32,783 --> 00:53:35,550
and I'm probably just going
to leave it at that.
976
00:53:35,619 --> 00:53:39,021
Um, I'm not gonna get into
any of the specifics
977
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:40,759
of what Charlie said.
978
00:53:41,654 --> 00:53:42,794
That's too much.
979
00:53:45,429 --> 00:53:47,928
I have to use
the lessons learned
980
00:53:47,997 --> 00:53:52,433
from this whole experience
to have a better relationship.
981
00:53:52,502 --> 00:53:55,403
I feel in my heart
that that's what I have to do.
982
00:53:55,472 --> 00:53:56,939
She needs a relationship
with me,
983
00:53:57,008 --> 00:53:58,907
she needs a relationship
with her granddaughters,
984
00:53:58,976 --> 00:54:00,142
she needs that.
985
00:54:00,211 --> 00:54:03,782
-♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
986
00:54:34,445 --> 00:54:35,814
-STEPHEN: Hi, Mom.
-MARGIE: Hey, babe.
987
00:54:36,714 --> 00:54:38,483
-Good to see you.
-STEPHEN: You, too.
988
00:54:53,763 --> 00:54:58,770
-(COFFEE MACHINE WHIRRING)
-♪ (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
989
00:55:14,985 --> 00:55:18,053
AUTOMATED VOICE: This call
may be recorded or transcribed.
990
00:55:18,122 --> 00:55:19,455
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
991
00:55:19,524 --> 00:55:20,822
STEPHEN: Hey there.
992
00:55:20,891 --> 00:55:22,786
CYNTHIA:
993
00:55:22,855 --> 00:55:29,801
STEPHEN: (CLEARS THROAT)
994
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,819
CYNTHIA:
995
00:55:50,888 --> 00:55:54,426
STEPHEN:
996
00:57:01,891 --> 00:57:05,425
-(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
-♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
997
00:57:08,493 --> 00:57:10,566
...you need to understand
how I feel about him.
998
00:57:10,635 --> 00:57:12,637
Yeah. (SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
999
00:57:20,144 --> 00:57:22,244
RON: What part of "get off
the goddamn phone"
1000
00:57:22,313 --> 00:57:24,312
-don't you understand?
-JENNIFER PANDOS: Fine, Ronald.
1001
00:57:24,381 --> 00:57:25,781
I'll get off the goddamn phone.
1002
00:57:25,850 --> 00:57:27,248
(RON SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
1003
00:57:27,317 --> 00:57:29,150
JENNIFER: Get out of my room!
That's all I'm asking. Just go.
1004
00:57:29,219 --> 00:57:30,822
(MUFFLED ARGUING)
1005
00:57:47,738 --> 00:57:52,644
♪ (SOFT ELECTRONIC
MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1006
00:59:43,382 --> 00:59:45,224
♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪
1007
01:00:10,748 --> 01:00:13,613
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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