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(ELEVATOR DINGS)
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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-BUTCH BARR: Stephen.
-STEPHEN PANDOS: Hey, Butch.
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-How are you?
-STEPHEN: Good. How are you?
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-Yeah. Good seeing you again.
-STEPHEN: Good to see you too.
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BUTCH:
So tell me what's going on.
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The last time you and I spoke
about your situation...
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-Mm-hmm.
-...with your sister,
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things were more
than a little unsettled.
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Can you bring me up-to-date?
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Yeah. The police department
lost the original case file.
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Turns out that they found it.
Don't know what's in it.
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They said
there was some new stuff
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that they were following up on.
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Is there a way for us
to get access to that--
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to the new case file?
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If it's
an ongoing investigation,
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they will not release
any information
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that would affect
the present investigation.
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-Sure.
-After 31 years,
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it is rare
for a police department
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to reopen a file,
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a case investigation,
unless they have...
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very good reason to do so.
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-Now, have you...
-Okay.
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...reconciled with your parents?
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No, no.
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-No?
-No.
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BUTCH: I keep coming back
to this idea
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of you getting your life
back together,
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and-- and one of the ways
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to do that
is if there's a result,
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but it's not
the one you anticipate.
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What impact is that gonna have
on you?
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I don't know.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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INTERVIEWER:
So, Jennifer Pandos,
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you knew her, correct?
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Yes, I went to high school
with Jennifer Pandos,
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we were in the same classes
in school.
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INTERVIEWER: Do you remember
when she went missing?
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JAKE RICE: I can't say
that I remember the exact time.
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I knew her a lot more
when we were in middle school
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and grade school.
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When she went missing,
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everything that I knew
of at the time from school,
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was that she had ran away.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay. (CHUCKLES)
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INTERVIEWER:
So can you start out
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by just telling us a little bit
about Jennifer
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and your friendship,
and who she was...
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-(CHUCKLES)
-...you know, just describe her.
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SHARON ROSE STEWARD:
She was like a firecracker.
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She didn't have fear.
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She sometimes didn't have
a filter. (CHUCKLING)
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She would just say
whatever was on her mind.
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INTERVIEWER:
So, if you don't mind
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tell me your name
and your relationship
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to the Pandos family.
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My name is Kerrie Campbell,
and I was Jennifer's friend.
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So we'd always hangout
at school together.
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She would go
with the popular kids,
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or with those
who weren't so popular
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and I was definitely not one
in the popular ones
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so it was nice
to have a friendship
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with somebody
who didn't really care
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if you were
with the in crowd or not.
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And if you were having
a bad day,
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one way or another,
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she would get you to laugh
or smile about something.
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I kinda miss that.
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Jenny is somebody I knew
from high school days.
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We had a good friendship.
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We talked most days
on the phone.
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You know, she was usually happy.
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I know that sometimes though,
she... she struggled.
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She didn't get angry often
but when she did,
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you could kinda see
that little temper flare.
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While Jenny and I
weren't a thing,
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I'd be a fool to say
that I didn't have a little bit
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of a crush on her, you know?
So part of my conversations
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were always looking
for that "in."
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(LAUGHS)
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JEFF SEIBERT:
But it mostly centered around...
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No way. We did not.
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...the clowning around.
I mean,
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it was one of the reasons
I liked talking to her,
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you know? She'd make me laugh.
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KERRIE CAMPBELL VALDEZ:
We did talk about the cars
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that we liked at the time
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and who we thought
we would marry.
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Well, for a long time,
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she thought
she was gonna marry Tony Tobler.
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JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTOR:
"A confession.
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A confession from my heart.
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I've really become
greatly inspired
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by caring for you.
You're my fantasy.
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One in which I've always
dreamed would come true.
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You're my shining star,
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my guiding light."
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"Carrying me
through the bad times,
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through day and night.
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You're someone I can count on,
rely on and confide in.
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You're my special friend.
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What I've said, of course,
is all true.
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There never will be,
or ever was,
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anyone quite
as wonderful as you."
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♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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TONY TOBLER:
I lived in Newport News
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and my mother lived
in Williamsburg and I
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came to live with her,
and started high school
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at Lafayette.
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SHARON: And the girls were,
like, crazy over Tony.
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I remember that--
everybody like--
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plus, he was a new guy,
and he was cute.
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But the girls went nuts
over him.
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CORI TOBLER:
We dated for a short time
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and then stopped for...
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-months.
-TONY: Hmm.
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-And that's when he dated her.
-Yeah.
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RON PANDOS: Infatuation.
Boyfriend-girlfriend type deal.
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I think that's the way
she looked at it.
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Um... I don't know
how he looked at it.
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MARGIE PANDOS: He was
two years older than she was,
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and they didn't date
like we dated.
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There were
no Saturday night movies,
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or Friday night football games.
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I just thought
it was hanging out at school.
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As far
as a physical relationship,
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I had no clue.
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No clue.
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MARGIE: They were home
from school, 2:30, 3:30,
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somewhere in that neighborhood.
And I didn't get home
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from work until 5:00.
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He had gotten her pregnant,
and we had a-- had an abortion.
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She just came out and told me
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what she and Tony had decided
that they wanted to do about it.
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RON: How did I react to it?
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Shocked.
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-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-Pissed off.
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Um...
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Wanting to know
what in the world was going on
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with both of them.
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I did not want her to see Tony.
I did not want Tony to see her.
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I knew that that was something
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that was an embarrassment
for them.
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Like, a major embarrassment
for them.
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But...
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I don't really think
he liked our relationship
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before that happened.
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A lot of it has--
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the community
that they lived in,
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like I said, was at the time,
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was the premiere gated community
in Williamsburg.
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And I lived in a trailer park.
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Her parents did not like that.
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Her dad
was a very controlling person.
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Like, with the whole family.
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♪ (MELANCHOLY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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-Hey, Wen. I'm Stephen,
how are you?
-Hey, Stephen.
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-I'm doing good.
-STEPHEN: Good to see you.
Give me a hug.
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STEPHEN: You guys didn't spend
a lot of time at our house.
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Right?
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-WENDY JUEDE: No...
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
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...not really. I don't know,
there's been a few people
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I've been around in my life
that made me very uneasy.
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Your dad,
he was one of them people.
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Did she ever say anything
to you about...
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problems that she had
with my father or mother,
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or anything like that?
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She had had an abortion.
And then things were...
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You could tell
there was more tension
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-in the house after that.
-Right.
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WENDY: From that point on,
he was gonna know
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everything she was doing.
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Of course,
her and Tony breaking up and--
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STEPHEN: Yeah,
I don't remember too much
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about that relationship
but was it volatile?
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Was it-- Or typical, sort of,
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high school relationship
kinda thing?
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-Yeah, typical high school.
-Yeah.
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Tony had done moved on,
you know?
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-Right.
-He had done moved on with Cori.
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SHARON: She was torn up
over breaking up with Tony.
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And then,
we started dating again.
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And...
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it seemed fine.
I think it was harder on her
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than we realized at the time.
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SHARON: When Cori and Tony
started dating,
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it was like a challenge
for Jennifer.
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She would walk by his classes.
She would go by Cori's classes.
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She would do things...
(CHUCKLES) ...just to like,
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aggravate her-- Cori.
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Um, or to make sure
that Tony knew
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that she was around.
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She would do s...
(BREATHES SHAKILY)
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(SOBS) But that's-- you know,
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and she would tell me she would
do this stuff, you know?
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(CLICKS TONGUE) Um...
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She hated Cori. (LAUGHS)
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JENNIFER, ACTOR:
I can't do this anymore.
I feel like I'm going crazy.
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(SOBS, BREATHES HEAVILY)
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MARGIE: Fifteen is not
the nicest year of your life.
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I do remember,
she just broke down
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and said she didn't want
to be crazy.
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Jennifer knew she needed help.
But she just wasn't ready yet,
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or I had not found
the proper person
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for her to talk to.
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You could see
when your child's in pain.
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You want to do everything
you can for them and...
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that's my greatest failure
in life.
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♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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KERRIE: I was just shocked
that she left.
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It just seemed like she had
a good group of friends
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that she could've talked to.
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I just remember thinking,
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"What was so wrong
that you had to just go?"
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INTERVIEWER:
What was your gut reaction
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to the notion
that she had run away?
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It kinda seemed like her.
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It seemed definitely plausible
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that she had decided
to go somewhere for a while.
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INTERVIEWER:
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How well do I think I knew her?
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-I mean, I knew her.
-CORI: Or you think
you know her.
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Yeah. But I mean, like,
if you're asking me,
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"Do I think it's possible
there was a whole another side
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to her that I didn't know?"
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I guess that's possible.
I don't know.
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And I remember too,
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at some point...
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It might have been
in junior high.
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I do remember Jennifer
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running away once.
I don't know why though.
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-I don't remember why.
-Right.
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STEPHEN: You know, just curious,
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if you have anything
that you remember
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from people speculating
what might've happened when...
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about the time she disappeared
or anything?
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I-- I remember
when it all happened...
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-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
-And, you know, of course,
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it was all the whisper
at school,
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-you know, because the police
were involved.
-STEPHEN: Sure.
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But I felt like it faded away
pretty quickly though.
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Now that I'm older,
I'm thinking back,
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"Why did it come off like that?"
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To me, it should've been
search parties...
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-STEPHEN: Right.
-...it should've been,
252
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"This is not normal.
This is Williamsburg."
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-STEPHEN: Right.
-And I never got that feeling.
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I never... You know? And...
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Um...
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STEPHEN: Right,
because I think, you know,
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typically, the parents
are the ones, you know,
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who drive those kinda things
to happen.
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-THOMAS ANDERSON: Right.
-STEPHEN: Right?
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And I don't know
that my parents ever...
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made those things happen.
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Right?
If that makes sense. Right?
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Yeah, it does.
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And honestly, it never
crossed my mind that way...
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-Oh.
-...till now.
266
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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MARGIE: I didn't write the note.
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I didn't leave it in her room.
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I didn't help Ron
remove the body from the house.
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-INVESTIGATOR: Okay. So--
-I didn't help--
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INVESTIGATOR: So Ron
removed the body from the house?
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If he did, I didn't help him!
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-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-(KNOCKING)
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-Hey, what's up?
-STEPHEN: How you doing?
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DONNIE NORRELL:
Have you ever met Lena?
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-STEPHEN: Oh, no. Hi, Ms. Lena.
-Hi.
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-STEPHEN: Okay, great.
-LENA SISCO: Nice to meet you.
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-STEPHEN: Nice to meet you too.
Thank you very much for--
-Oh, you're welcome.
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DONNIE: She's gonna help
with the interview with Margie.
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-STEPHEN: Okay.
-DONNIE: She was
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-a Navy interrogator.
-LENA: Mm.
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She learned how to pick up
on deceptive behavior
283
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and we're gonna team up,
and we've been discussing...
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-STEPHEN: Yeah. Uh-huh.
-...our approach and everything.
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Going down there
to Charlotte...
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-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
-...to interview your mom,
287
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do you think she's willing
288
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or have you talked
with her recently about it?
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STEPHEN: I think that
she'll do it. She's done...
290
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everything
that I've ever asked her to do.
291
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Evidently, she feels
in her mind she's already,
292
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for the last 30 years,
had been telling what she knows.
293
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There may be
some really stronger--
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I think there are some
semantics to what she says
295
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versus what she knows.
But she knows.
296
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You know, in that interview,
there's this one section
297
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-of where she--
Almost like a Freudian slip...
-LENA: Mm-hmm.
298
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...she's like "I didn't help Ron
remove the body from the house."
299
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That's huge.
"I didn't help Ron..."
300
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STEPHEN: "I didn't help Ron
remove the body from the house."
301
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LENA: Deception,
I look for it, and I hear it.
302
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So, "I didn't" is indicative
of a truthful statement.
303
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Now, not a hundred percent.
If she were to say, "I did not,"
304
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-it's what we call a
convincing language.
-STEPHEN: Right.
305
00:14:40,351 --> 00:14:41,816
But the fact
that it just came out,
306
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-"I didn't help Ron
remove the body..."
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
307
00:14:44,155 --> 00:14:46,387
...seems that it could be
a very truthful statement.
308
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DONNIE: I got in my notes,
in July 23rd, 2009, interview,
309
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one of the questions asked,
310
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"Where do you think
the body is?"
311
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She said, "In the river,
mill pond, railroad tracks."
312
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She made those...
313
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Those were kinda weird comments.
314
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I have had 22 years
to imagine where that child is.
315
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From what I told you,
James River, the river po--
316
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the mill pond,
the railroad track.
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God only knows
where he could've taken her.
318
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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INTERVIEWER:
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(WENDI REED CHUCKLES)
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It was...
322
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kind of a mixed feeling I guess,
once that case file was found.
323
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On one hand, I was very excited
because I thought that
324
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it may give us some further
avenues to investigate
325
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and potentially bring it in
to the case.
326
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On the other hand,
it kind of made us look stupid,
327
00:16:05,637 --> 00:16:09,071
and not very professional.
328
00:16:09,140 --> 00:16:10,675
INTERVIEWER:
Can you tell us where it was?
329
00:16:12,042 --> 00:16:15,276
I can only tell you
where I was told it was.
330
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It was found
in the records room,
331
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in a box of old case files.
332
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INTERVIEWER: And how does
something like that happen?
333
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I don't know.
334
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I know the records
had been searched
335
00:16:28,292 --> 00:16:30,758
at least three different times,
336
00:16:30,827 --> 00:16:33,765
thoroughly, for this case file,
and it wasn't there.
337
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And then it was.
338
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-INTERVIEWER:
-(SMACKS LIPS) It does.
339
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♪ (SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
340
00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:46,274
WENDI: I don't know
all of what Jake has done.
341
00:16:46,343 --> 00:16:49,077
I don't know all of what
was in that case file.
342
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I can see how that would be
confusing for Stephen.
343
00:16:56,587 --> 00:16:59,622
INTERVIEWER: Given that
the original case file
344
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has reappeared,
345
00:17:01,725 --> 00:17:05,794
what is your gut instinct now
about the case?
346
00:17:05,863 --> 00:17:08,196
My 99-percent gut
347
00:17:08,265 --> 00:17:12,434
is that the parents
are responsible for the note.
348
00:17:12,503 --> 00:17:13,535
(GRUNTS)
349
00:17:13,604 --> 00:17:16,638
DONNIE: I challenge anybody
that has a teenager
350
00:17:16,707 --> 00:17:20,509
that wakes up in the morning
and finds this crazy note,
351
00:17:20,578 --> 00:17:24,479
that's not gonna
immediately call 911.
352
00:17:24,548 --> 00:17:27,482
-She's never done this before.
-INTERVIEWER: She has.
353
00:17:27,551 --> 00:17:31,219
She ran away one time,
how long was she gone?
354
00:17:31,288 --> 00:17:34,756
INTERVIEWER: I don't know
but it is part of her...
355
00:17:34,825 --> 00:17:36,958
-Where is she gonna go?
-So, it's not fair to say
356
00:17:37,027 --> 00:17:39,523
she's never done this before.
357
00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:40,662
It's not fair to say.
358
00:17:40,731 --> 00:17:42,831
-♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-I just...
359
00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:44,366
It doesn't make sense.
360
00:17:44,435 --> 00:17:49,208
What doesn't make sense
usually isn't true.
361
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,788
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
362
00:18:05,689 --> 00:18:07,255
INTERVIEWER: We talked
to Stephen this morning,
363
00:18:07,324 --> 00:18:09,291
he's wanting to call you today.
364
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:12,160
He wants to ask you
to do one more interview.
365
00:18:12,229 --> 00:18:13,663
-MARGIE: With?
-INTERVIEWER: So.
366
00:18:13,732 --> 00:18:15,596
He's hired this PI.
367
00:18:15,665 --> 00:18:20,135
I can't understand why he would
hire a private detective.
368
00:18:20,204 --> 00:18:23,204
I don't know
what they could glean
369
00:18:23,273 --> 00:18:27,712
-that the police hadn't already.
-(TELEPHONE RINGING)
370
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,418
Hello?
371
00:18:37,487 --> 00:18:40,422
-STEPHEN: (OVER PHONE) Hey, Mom.
-Hi, Stevie.
372
00:18:40,491 --> 00:18:44,092
-STEPHEN: How are you?
-I'm all right. How about you?
373
00:18:44,161 --> 00:18:45,327
STEPHEN: I'm doing okay.
374
00:18:45,396 --> 00:18:49,765
So on Saturday,
would you be open to talking
375
00:18:49,834 --> 00:18:53,935
to Donnie Norrell
and his partner, Lena,
376
00:18:54,004 --> 00:18:55,540
about Jennifer?
377
00:18:56,841 --> 00:18:59,208
I have no problem with that.
378
00:18:59,277 --> 00:19:01,376
STEPHEN: Okay. Well,
I didn't think that you would.
379
00:19:01,445 --> 00:19:04,516
But I just... I just have
to ask. That's all.
380
00:19:04,916 --> 00:19:06,146
Okay.
381
00:19:07,484 --> 00:19:09,785
STEPHEN: All right,
well, I miss you lots
382
00:19:09,854 --> 00:19:12,691
and love you lots, and, um...
383
00:19:15,226 --> 00:19:16,528
I'll uh--
384
00:19:18,296 --> 00:19:22,197
-I miss you too.
-I know you do. I know you do.
385
00:19:22,266 --> 00:19:23,831
I will talk to you
in a day or two.
386
00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:26,702
Just let me work out
the details here, okay?
387
00:19:26,771 --> 00:19:29,037
-Okay.
-Okay. Bye.
388
00:19:29,106 --> 00:19:30,875
-Bye.
-Bye, Mom. Bye.
389
00:19:33,143 --> 00:19:37,582
(SNIFFLES, BREATHES DEEPLY)
390
00:19:39,417 --> 00:19:41,853
I don't know how long it's been
since I've seen him.
391
00:19:43,854 --> 00:19:45,390
I really don't remember.
392
00:19:47,224 --> 00:19:48,393
(SNIFFLES)
393
00:19:49,027 --> 00:19:50,262
Oh, well...
394
00:19:52,129 --> 00:19:54,629
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
395
00:19:54,698 --> 00:19:56,464
LENA: When I prepare
for an interview,
396
00:19:56,533 --> 00:19:58,533
the question
is purposely phrased
397
00:19:58,602 --> 00:20:01,203
-to elicit a narrative response.
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
398
00:20:01,272 --> 00:20:03,939
And so, as she's giving me
a narrative response
399
00:20:04,008 --> 00:20:06,574
and I'm detecting deception,
it helps me determine
400
00:20:06,643 --> 00:20:08,143
whether or not
you're being truthful.
401
00:20:08,212 --> 00:20:09,510
STEPHEN: All right.
402
00:20:09,579 --> 00:20:12,481
I'm gonna have a, you know,
a short chat with her before
403
00:20:12,550 --> 00:20:15,450
and just encourage her
to tell the truth.
404
00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:17,881
DONNIE: Are we gonna be
in a position to...
405
00:20:17,950 --> 00:20:19,521
-LENA: Hmm.
-...make any offer
406
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:22,324
about the family
being back together
407
00:20:22,393 --> 00:20:24,726
or see your grandkids,
that kinda stuff?
408
00:20:24,795 --> 00:20:28,300
I think the most honest answer
is I'm willing to do the work.
409
00:20:34,138 --> 00:20:36,239
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
410
00:20:36,308 --> 00:20:39,344
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
411
00:20:42,346 --> 00:20:47,752
♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
412
00:20:52,356 --> 00:20:55,557
So we're on the way
to see my mother.
413
00:20:55,626 --> 00:20:58,726
Maybe the first time
I've seen her in...
414
00:20:58,795 --> 00:21:02,301
quite a few years.
I haven't been out to her house.
415
00:21:03,767 --> 00:21:05,971
I can't even remember
the last time I was here.
416
00:21:06,905 --> 00:21:08,268
I'm very nervous.
417
00:21:22,253 --> 00:21:23,284
Last time I saw him,
418
00:21:23,353 --> 00:21:25,024
he wouldn't even let me
touch him.
419
00:21:37,301 --> 00:21:39,471
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
420
00:21:47,278 --> 00:21:49,581
(KNOCKING)
421
00:22:00,659 --> 00:22:02,524
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
422
00:22:02,593 --> 00:22:05,227
STEPHEN: You know, first I want
to say that I believe in you,
423
00:22:05,296 --> 00:22:08,296
I love you, you're forgiven.
424
00:22:08,365 --> 00:22:11,401
You still have immunity.
And I'm here for you.
425
00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:12,704
I'm with you.
426
00:22:15,473 --> 00:22:16,841
(MARGIE SIGHS)
427
00:22:19,004 --> 00:22:22,505
I don't know what happened.
428
00:22:22,574 --> 00:22:25,680
And--
and you're rolling your eyes
and throwing your head.
429
00:22:25,749 --> 00:22:29,554
All I know is that Jennifer
was not there
430
00:22:30,287 --> 00:22:31,987
when I went downstairs.
431
00:22:32,056 --> 00:22:34,256
It's not what you want to hear.
432
00:22:34,325 --> 00:22:37,129
It's not
what you think you need.
433
00:22:37,562 --> 00:22:38,797
But that's...
434
00:22:40,131 --> 00:22:41,361
what I have.
435
00:22:42,461 --> 00:22:45,833
The story, you know,
around Jennifer's disappearance
436
00:22:45,902 --> 00:22:50,042
has... has got to make sense.
It’s got to be logical and...
437
00:22:51,042 --> 00:22:52,411
reasonable and...
438
00:22:53,377 --> 00:22:54,910
It doesn't make sense.
439
00:22:54,979 --> 00:22:58,348
After all your father
has put me through...
440
00:22:58,417 --> 00:23:00,249
STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
441
00:23:00,318 --> 00:23:02,351
...why in the world
would you think
442
00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:05,553
I would protect him?
I have no reason to.
443
00:23:05,622 --> 00:23:08,656
-I-- Mom, I-- You know--
-I have no reason to.
444
00:23:08,725 --> 00:23:12,422
STEPHEN: You know, I think Dad
was abusive, emotionally, to you
445
00:23:12,491 --> 00:23:15,667
and I think it's just--
I think it's really complicated.
446
00:23:16,433 --> 00:23:17,800
I've gone back in my mind,
447
00:23:17,869 --> 00:23:21,169
I can't think of anything
that happened
448
00:23:21,238 --> 00:23:23,475
that would make me suspicious.
449
00:23:24,008 --> 00:23:24,977
Nothing.
450
00:23:26,010 --> 00:23:26,875
STEPHEN: Just try.
451
00:23:26,944 --> 00:23:29,010
Think of everything
you have to gain.
452
00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:30,082
I have your back.
453
00:23:31,249 --> 00:23:33,013
And I always have.
454
00:23:33,082 --> 00:23:35,685
-You know, we-- I-- We--
-I know that,
and you've said that,
455
00:23:35,754 --> 00:23:37,519
and it just makes me feel
456
00:23:37,588 --> 00:23:39,922
like you're the judge
and the jury,
457
00:23:39,991 --> 00:23:40,889
and you've convicted me
458
00:23:40,958 --> 00:23:42,725
of something
that I haven't done,
459
00:23:42,794 --> 00:23:44,659
that I have no knowledge of.
460
00:23:44,728 --> 00:23:47,363
I want you and my grandchildren
back in my life.
461
00:23:47,432 --> 00:23:48,764
I want to see you happy.
462
00:23:48,833 --> 00:23:51,133
But I don't have it
to give you, Stephen.
463
00:23:51,202 --> 00:23:52,968
I just don't have it.
-Okay.
464
00:23:53,037 --> 00:23:54,803
MARGIE: Now, if you want
to convict me
465
00:23:54,872 --> 00:23:56,471
and take me to James City County
466
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:59,478
and throw me in the jail
right now, today...
467
00:24:00,845 --> 00:24:03,182
all I have to do
is make two phone calls.
468
00:24:04,649 --> 00:24:05,980
-And...
-STEPHEN: Don't...
469
00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:08,349
-...sign over any money I have
to you.
-I don't want it.
470
00:24:08,418 --> 00:24:09,552
You've threatened
to take my home.
471
00:24:09,621 --> 00:24:11,753
-Me?
-Yes, you did.
472
00:24:11,822 --> 00:24:14,517
-I don't-- I don't need it, Mom.
I--
-I know you don't need it.
473
00:24:14,586 --> 00:24:16,926
-I don't need--
-But that's what
you threatened to do.
474
00:24:16,995 --> 00:24:19,990
Yes, I did look
at-- at suing you and Dad.
475
00:24:20,059 --> 00:24:21,797
But it was not over money.
476
00:24:21,866 --> 00:24:24,033
It was just
because I wanted a judge
477
00:24:24,102 --> 00:24:27,335
to say you did it
and you're responsible.
478
00:24:27,404 --> 00:24:30,205
Nothing was ever about money.
479
00:24:30,274 --> 00:24:31,539
-I--
-No, I know th--
480
00:24:31,608 --> 00:24:34,376
what you were doing
was not out of needing money
481
00:24:34,445 --> 00:24:38,246
-or wanting money.
It was for punishment.
-It was just-- No, Mom.
482
00:24:38,315 --> 00:24:39,615
-Yes.
-It was-- I just--
483
00:24:39,684 --> 00:24:41,853
-Excuse me a minute.
-You know...
484
00:24:42,987 --> 00:24:45,621
it's not about you,
it's about Dad. But...
485
00:24:45,690 --> 00:24:50,695
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
486
00:24:52,529 --> 00:24:55,495
It just hurts
that you don't believe me.
487
00:24:57,268 --> 00:24:59,238
Just try, you know?
488
00:25:00,137 --> 00:25:01,240
That's all I'm asking.
489
00:25:03,007 --> 00:25:04,039
Okay?
490
00:25:04,108 --> 00:25:08,680
I gotta go. This is just
too hard for me right now. Okay?
491
00:25:11,782 --> 00:25:15,285
-MARGIE: I love you.
-STEPHEN: I love you too. Okay?
492
00:25:15,354 --> 00:25:17,052
(MARGIE SOBS)
493
00:25:17,121 --> 00:25:19,455
STEPHEN:
All right. All right. Mm-hmm.
494
00:25:19,524 --> 00:25:20,889
MARGIE:
495
00:25:20,958 --> 00:25:22,861
STEPHEN: It's okay. It's okay.
496
00:25:24,328 --> 00:25:27,863
-Okay?
-MARGIE: (BREATHES SHAKILY)
497
00:25:27,932 --> 00:25:30,465
-STEPHEN: Yes. Okay?
-Okay.
498
00:25:30,534 --> 00:25:33,168
STEPHEN: All right.
And just try, all right?
499
00:25:33,237 --> 00:25:34,264
I love you lots.
500
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:35,604
-MARGIE: I love you.
-STEPHEN: Okay.
501
00:25:35,673 --> 00:25:38,743
MARGIE: Bye.
(SNIFFLES, BREATHES DEEPLY)
502
00:25:48,485 --> 00:25:50,252
MARGIE:
I know nothing makes sense.
503
00:25:50,321 --> 00:25:52,891
Nothing has ever made sense.
504
00:25:54,125 --> 00:25:55,824
It's just hard
505
00:25:55,893 --> 00:25:59,031
to not be believed by anyone.
506
00:26:06,337 --> 00:26:07,468
(KNOCKING)
507
00:26:07,537 --> 00:26:09,074
Let's get this over with, folks.
508
00:26:11,375 --> 00:26:12,677
-Hi.
-Hey there. Hi.
509
00:26:17,014 --> 00:26:18,881
DONNIE: Stephen just wants
to know the truth.
510
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:21,551
-No matter what, a son--
-"No matter what...
511
00:26:21,620 --> 00:26:22,851
-No--
-...I've got your back."
512
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,120
-No matter--
-"You know, you got immunity."
513
00:26:25,189 --> 00:26:29,128
I am tired of hearing
those phrases.
514
00:26:30,794 --> 00:26:33,061
-I want to help Stephen.
-DONNIE: Well, good.
515
00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:35,564
MARGIE: But I think he's so far
down that rabbit hole
516
00:26:35,633 --> 00:26:37,836
that he's never gonna
come out of it.
517
00:26:39,336 --> 00:26:42,704
Why don't we just start off
with you bringing us
518
00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:44,709
-back to that night?
-(ZIPPER ZIPPING)
519
00:26:45,309 --> 00:26:47,337
She went to her room
520
00:26:47,406 --> 00:26:49,711
and when I got ready
to go upstairs,
521
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:53,382
I knocked on her door
and went in, and...
522
00:26:53,451 --> 00:26:54,849
LENA: Describe that to me.
523
00:26:54,918 --> 00:26:59,854
Where was she in her bedroom?
What was she wearing?
524
00:26:59,923 --> 00:27:03,395
She was wearing a night shirt
that had a panda bear.
525
00:27:04,862 --> 00:27:06,595
Her bed was on that wall
526
00:27:06,664 --> 00:27:09,198
and there was a table
beside her bed.
527
00:27:09,267 --> 00:27:13,336
In that "L," that's where
she was standing.
528
00:27:13,405 --> 00:27:14,670
And I remember that,
529
00:27:14,739 --> 00:27:18,468
that picture is engraved
in my mind.
530
00:27:18,537 --> 00:27:21,180
-I will never lose it.
-LENA: Yeah. And?
531
00:27:22,414 --> 00:27:23,682
And...
532
00:27:24,848 --> 00:27:29,817
what happened between the time
that I saw that note
533
00:27:29,886 --> 00:27:33,756
and what was said
between Ron and I at that time,
534
00:27:33,825 --> 00:27:35,590
I couldn't tell you.
535
00:27:35,659 --> 00:27:37,427
LENA: So, how did you feel
when you found
536
00:27:37,496 --> 00:27:38,998
and read that note?
537
00:27:39,531 --> 00:27:40,765
Panic.
538
00:27:44,301 --> 00:27:47,706
I was afraid of her anger...
539
00:27:48,705 --> 00:27:53,476
if we didn't do
what we were asked to do.
540
00:27:53,545 --> 00:27:54,843
LENA: Mm-hmm.
541
00:27:54,912 --> 00:27:57,146
MARGIE: Several days later,
I noticed
542
00:27:57,215 --> 00:28:00,583
the Venetian blind
on that Palladian window
543
00:28:00,652 --> 00:28:03,018
in the front was raised.
544
00:28:03,087 --> 00:28:06,555
Somebody was looking out
and had raised the little slat
545
00:28:06,624 --> 00:28:09,825
in the blind,
and it hadn't gone down.
546
00:28:09,894 --> 00:28:12,093
LENA: There's a lot
of accusations that Ron
547
00:28:12,162 --> 00:28:14,062
-had something to do with it.
-MARGIE: Right.
548
00:28:14,131 --> 00:28:16,632
How do you feel
about those accusations?
549
00:28:16,701 --> 00:28:18,834
I live in two worlds.
550
00:28:18,903 --> 00:28:20,803
-My child disappeared.
-Mm-hmm.
551
00:28:20,872 --> 00:28:22,975
-MARGIE: She left home.
-LENA: Mm-hmm.
552
00:28:23,842 --> 00:28:25,044
And then...
553
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:28,778
the world
that her father killed her.
554
00:28:28,847 --> 00:28:30,879
I knew the world
555
00:28:30,948 --> 00:28:33,243
-that my daughter disappeared...
-Mm-hmm.
556
00:28:33,312 --> 00:28:34,486
...that she'd left home...
557
00:28:35,887 --> 00:28:37,189
far longer...
558
00:28:38,655 --> 00:28:42,691
than the world
of Ron killing his daughter.
559
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,998
I never suspected that.
560
00:28:47,199 --> 00:28:48,063
Never.
561
00:28:48,132 --> 00:28:49,297
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
562
00:28:49,366 --> 00:28:51,667
DONNIE: I do wanna ask you
this one question.
563
00:28:51,736 --> 00:28:54,473
-Margie,
did you write that note?
-No.
564
00:28:56,168 --> 00:28:57,940
No, I did not.
565
00:28:58,009 --> 00:29:00,008
DONNIE: Could you have been
put into a position
566
00:29:00,077 --> 00:29:02,712
where Ron said,
"I'm gonna go to jail for this
567
00:29:02,781 --> 00:29:04,579
-if you don't help me out."
-No, no.
568
00:29:04,648 --> 00:29:09,021
-DONNIE: I don't know.
I mean, I'm just--
-No, never, never, never, never.
569
00:29:09,687 --> 00:29:10,886
DONNIE: Whose idea was it
570
00:29:10,955 --> 00:29:13,258
to not call
the police right then?
571
00:29:14,625 --> 00:29:16,324
I can't say
that it was mine totally,
572
00:29:16,393 --> 00:29:20,829
-but I know I had a voice in...
-I got you.
573
00:29:20,898 --> 00:29:23,165
Did you ever see the note
and go,
574
00:29:23,234 --> 00:29:26,068
"Ron, who the hell
is this father figure?"
575
00:29:26,137 --> 00:29:28,637
-"Do you have any idea?"
You never?
-No. No.
576
00:29:28,706 --> 00:29:31,273
-DONNIE: You never did that?
-No. No. No.
577
00:29:31,342 --> 00:29:33,842
-DONNIE: See, I'm a little--
-I know you're confused and--
578
00:29:33,911 --> 00:29:36,578
I am confused
because I'm trying to think of--
579
00:29:36,647 --> 00:29:37,980
I'm trying to put my shoes...
580
00:29:38,049 --> 00:29:40,182
-into your shoes.
-It fits the bill of not being
581
00:29:40,251 --> 00:29:42,450
-what the normal would do.
-DONNIE: Right.
582
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,956
That has been thrown
in my face a kazillion times.
583
00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:48,856
DONNIE: And I'm not really sure
about this.
584
00:29:48,925 --> 00:29:52,998
LENA: What would you want us
to tell Stephen today?
585
00:29:55,299 --> 00:29:57,065
That your mother
honestly doesn't know
586
00:29:57,134 --> 00:29:58,904
what happened to your sister.
587
00:30:16,448 --> 00:30:17,986
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
588
00:30:18,055 --> 00:30:21,056
LENA: The thing is,
with this case, we don't have
589
00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:24,827
concrete evidence or facts
to use in it.
590
00:30:24,896 --> 00:30:26,195
We have a lot of hearsay,
591
00:30:26,264 --> 00:30:27,863
we have things
that have been retracted,
592
00:30:27,932 --> 00:30:29,264
we have been told something,
then said,
593
00:30:29,333 --> 00:30:32,301
"Well, that wasn't the case."
So when we interview people,
594
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:34,903
the only thing
we have to go by is,
595
00:30:34,972 --> 00:30:37,906
and especially for me,
is detecting that deception.
596
00:30:37,975 --> 00:30:40,341
She remembers everything
up, you know, to the point,
597
00:30:40,410 --> 00:30:42,812
and she cried every time
she pictured Jennifer.
598
00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:44,846
Like, "I remember
she was standing here,
599
00:30:44,915 --> 00:30:46,881
this is what she was wearing,"
to the detail,
600
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:48,918
and she would cry every time
she had that last image.
601
00:30:48,987 --> 00:30:50,886
And she was very emphatic
with us, saying,
602
00:30:50,955 --> 00:30:52,420
"I did not see her after that."
603
00:30:52,489 --> 00:30:54,156
I believe she's being
a hundred percent truthful.
604
00:30:54,225 --> 00:30:56,191
That was the last time
she had eyes on Jennifer.
605
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:58,026
So then, how does my mother
fail a polygraph?
606
00:30:58,095 --> 00:31:00,495
And was it a failure,
or was it inconclusive?
607
00:31:00,564 --> 00:31:02,692
One thing that I remember
off the thing from my mother
608
00:31:02,761 --> 00:31:04,099
was like, you know,
deception indicated.
609
00:31:04,168 --> 00:31:06,001
-It wasn't inconclusive.
-Oh, right.
610
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:07,863
LENA: But then you got
to go to the specific questions.
611
00:31:07,932 --> 00:31:09,404
-There's so much
you need to know.
-Yeah, I know.
612
00:31:09,473 --> 00:31:11,039
DONNIE: I thought
the handwriting on the note,
613
00:31:11,108 --> 00:31:12,975
that your father was...
614
00:31:13,044 --> 00:31:14,710
-STEPHEN: He was ruled out.
-...ruled out,
615
00:31:14,779 --> 00:31:16,978
-but the mother wasn't.
-That's right.
616
00:31:17,047 --> 00:31:19,648
And that's why I just feel like
she wrote the note.
617
00:31:19,717 --> 00:31:20,815
Right.
618
00:31:20,884 --> 00:31:23,886
My top of the list is still
Ron accidentally killed her.
619
00:31:23,955 --> 00:31:26,154
And I would believe that.
And that is, you know,
620
00:31:26,223 --> 00:31:27,589
consistent
with my father saying,
621
00:31:27,658 --> 00:31:29,992
"Hypothetically, I hit her
and she fell
and hit her head."
622
00:31:30,061 --> 00:31:31,259
That's my top
of the list, really.
623
00:31:31,328 --> 00:31:33,729
Yeah, top of the list,
but I do--
624
00:31:33,798 --> 00:31:35,491
I believe your mom
is telling the truth
625
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,432
with not knowing what happened.
626
00:31:37,501 --> 00:31:40,302
DONNIE: I believe your mom
doesn't know what happened.
627
00:31:40,371 --> 00:31:44,807
But I... I believe she helped
comprise the note.
628
00:31:44,876 --> 00:31:50,082
♪ (SOFT ELECTRONIC
MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
629
00:32:18,877 --> 00:32:21,143
BUTCH:
Stephen has put a lot of stock
630
00:32:21,212 --> 00:32:25,548
in the fact that his mother sat
for a polygraph examination,
631
00:32:25,617 --> 00:32:28,149
and it showed deception.
632
00:32:28,218 --> 00:32:30,052
But when you read the summary,
633
00:32:30,121 --> 00:32:32,487
Jennifer had
a dental appointment
634
00:32:32,556 --> 00:32:35,657
and Mrs. Pandos
could not remember
635
00:32:35,726 --> 00:32:38,093
whether the dental appointment
was the tenth or the ninth,
636
00:32:38,162 --> 00:32:40,062
and so she was confused
on those dates.
637
00:32:40,131 --> 00:32:44,399
But this disappearance
occurred in 1987
638
00:32:44,468 --> 00:32:50,442
and this polygraph examination
was done in 2009.
639
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:54,042
I'm gonna be confused.
640
00:32:54,111 --> 00:32:57,345
Now, part of the problem
with a polygraph examination
641
00:32:57,414 --> 00:33:00,115
and one reason that they
are notoriously unreliable
642
00:33:00,184 --> 00:33:02,918
and are not admissible evidence,
643
00:33:02,987 --> 00:33:04,854
when there's confusion
in the brain,
644
00:33:04,923 --> 00:33:06,388
blood pressure goes up.
645
00:33:06,457 --> 00:33:09,124
And that'll cause the needle
to register.
646
00:33:09,193 --> 00:33:12,194
It is merely an indication
that there's been a change
647
00:33:12,263 --> 00:33:14,896
in this person's
physiological makeup
648
00:33:14,965 --> 00:33:16,268
at that moment.
649
00:33:21,705 --> 00:33:26,074
Take everything in the note
that implicates the parents.
650
00:33:26,143 --> 00:33:27,777
And I know that the profiler
651
00:33:27,846 --> 00:33:30,349
who did an analysis
of the note...
652
00:33:31,616 --> 00:33:32,981
looked at all of that.
653
00:33:33,050 --> 00:33:35,216
Let me make reference to that.
654
00:33:35,285 --> 00:33:38,423
"Staging a runaway
or abduction...
655
00:33:39,858 --> 00:33:42,323
leads me to no other conclusion
656
00:33:42,392 --> 00:33:43,825
than the writer of the note
either perpetuated..."
657
00:33:43,894 --> 00:33:45,660
STEPHEN: "...the writer
of the note either perpetrated
658
00:33:45,729 --> 00:33:50,065
or assisted in, before or after,
the crime of abduction
659
00:33:50,134 --> 00:33:52,401
and, or murder
of Jennifer Pandos."
660
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,203
KENNETH MORRIS:
"Based on this premise,
661
00:33:54,272 --> 00:33:57,205
your note is most likely
written by someone
662
00:33:57,274 --> 00:34:00,679
who would immediately come
under scrutiny by the police."
663
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:10,122
What else can I tell ya?
(CHUCKLES)
664
00:34:10,755 --> 00:34:12,287
It's a staged crime scene.
665
00:34:12,356 --> 00:34:15,156
This person who wrote the note
is familiar with Jennifer
666
00:34:15,225 --> 00:34:16,892
and her routine,
and her schedule,
667
00:34:16,961 --> 00:34:18,660
and things
that were important to her.
668
00:34:18,729 --> 00:34:19,828
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
669
00:34:19,897 --> 00:34:21,733
INTERVIEWER:
670
00:34:32,342 --> 00:34:34,009
Can you talk a little bit
about that in general?
671
00:34:34,078 --> 00:34:35,810
Yeah, I can talk
about that in general.
672
00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:40,015
From a profiling standpoint,
if I were to create a profile,
673
00:34:40,084 --> 00:34:42,117
say, if I were to look
at a crime scene
674
00:34:42,186 --> 00:34:46,055
and come up with a profile
of the unknown offender,
675
00:34:46,124 --> 00:34:47,588
I would need
a lot of information.
676
00:34:47,657 --> 00:34:51,359
I don't want to know anything
at all about any suspects
677
00:34:51,428 --> 00:34:53,594
because that's gonna bias
my opinion.
678
00:34:53,663 --> 00:34:56,765
What I-- What I wrote there
is based on what's written.
679
00:34:56,834 --> 00:35:00,272
Nothing else. You know,
again, it's written in a vacuum.
680
00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:02,241
INTERVIEWER:
681
00:35:04,776 --> 00:35:07,179
(KENNETH BREATHES DEEPLY)
682
00:35:07,912 --> 00:35:08,977
Yeah.
683
00:35:09,046 --> 00:35:10,282
INTERVIEWER:
684
00:35:18,056 --> 00:35:19,454
Right.
685
00:35:19,523 --> 00:35:21,826
-INTERVIEWER 1:
-INTERVIEWER 2:
686
00:35:23,294 --> 00:35:26,061
KENNETH: "If your note
contains personal information,
687
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:27,596
your most plausible offender
688
00:35:27,665 --> 00:35:30,635
would be one
or both of the parents."
689
00:35:31,135 --> 00:35:32,700
Yeah, at the time
690
00:35:32,769 --> 00:35:35,699
that I was called in
to the investigation,
691
00:35:35,768 --> 00:35:40,075
they were the only suspects.
692
00:35:40,144 --> 00:35:42,077
The main reason
why I pointed to them
693
00:35:42,146 --> 00:35:44,512
was because there
was no one else about.
694
00:35:44,581 --> 00:35:45,947
I guess
what I should've written,
695
00:35:46,016 --> 00:35:52,287
in hindsight-- hindsight now is,
"The perpetrator was someone
696
00:35:52,356 --> 00:35:55,223
who had a very close
relationship to Jennifer."
697
00:35:55,292 --> 00:35:57,960
And left it
somewhat ambiguous like that.
698
00:35:58,029 --> 00:35:59,327
JAKE: Think it's wrong.
Was it this?
699
00:35:59,396 --> 00:36:00,929
KENNETH: It was the statement
I made, right?
700
00:36:00,998 --> 00:36:04,366
-Is that what
you were reading here?
-It... Yeah, it was that margin
701
00:36:04,435 --> 00:36:07,235
that the parents
were probably the offenders.
702
00:36:07,304 --> 00:36:08,670
Well, I mean, what you wrote is,
703
00:36:08,739 --> 00:36:12,607
"If your note was fabricated
to misdirect the investigation."
704
00:36:12,676 --> 00:36:14,809
We don't still know
that it's fabricated.
705
00:36:14,878 --> 00:36:18,514
-Right.
-Is there a possibility
that Jennifer was there
706
00:36:18,583 --> 00:36:20,348
when the note was being written?
707
00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,250
-KENNETH: It-- It's possible--
-I mean,
708
00:36:22,319 --> 00:36:25,320
it's still a possibility...
709
00:36:25,389 --> 00:36:26,688
And she's provided
the information.
710
00:36:26,757 --> 00:36:29,690
...that she left that night
on her own,
711
00:36:29,759 --> 00:36:32,061
thinking it was only gonna be
for a few days
712
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:34,195
and something took place.
713
00:36:34,264 --> 00:36:36,098
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
714
00:36:36,167 --> 00:36:37,633
STEPHEN:
"Your most plausible offender
715
00:36:37,702 --> 00:36:40,368
would be one
or both of the parents."
716
00:36:40,437 --> 00:36:42,908
You know, I've read this
dozens of times and it's...
717
00:36:43,874 --> 00:36:44,843
haunting.
718
00:36:48,546 --> 00:36:52,447
He doesn't come out and say
that we wrote the note,
719
00:36:52,516 --> 00:36:54,519
but that's his implication.
720
00:36:55,352 --> 00:36:57,418
And it didn't happen.
721
00:36:57,487 --> 00:37:00,255
I can understand how Stephen,
in reading this,
722
00:37:00,324 --> 00:37:03,395
would feel the way
he does towards me but...
723
00:37:04,394 --> 00:37:06,729
these people don't know me.
724
00:37:06,798 --> 00:37:08,463
KENNETH:
The mistake that Stephen made
725
00:37:08,532 --> 00:37:11,733
is he's keyed in on his parents.
726
00:37:11,802 --> 00:37:14,837
And then, Jennifer disappears
with this cockamamie letter,
727
00:37:14,906 --> 00:37:16,605
well, then you have
a profiler saying,
728
00:37:16,674 --> 00:37:18,773
"Well, it's someone close
to Jennifer who wrote it,
729
00:37:18,842 --> 00:37:20,937
and there's no one else,
so it's probably the parents,"
730
00:37:21,006 --> 00:37:23,345
so he--
he just latched onto that.
731
00:37:23,414 --> 00:37:25,581
Well, he's painted himself
into a corner 'cause now...
732
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:28,350
(STAMMERS)
733
00:37:28,419 --> 00:37:30,720
I guess he hates his parents
and his parents hate him.
734
00:37:30,789 --> 00:37:31,790
I don't know.
735
00:37:39,063 --> 00:37:40,399
Can I keep this one?
736
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,465
I just like the picture
of my mom.
737
00:37:43,534 --> 00:37:45,233
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
738
00:37:45,302 --> 00:37:46,939
You know, she was so young.
739
00:37:50,875 --> 00:37:52,407
You know, baby me.
740
00:37:52,476 --> 00:37:53,979
But I like the picture
of my mom.
741
00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:15,363
DONNIE: Evidently,
there's a new lead
742
00:38:15,432 --> 00:38:17,766
that the police are following.
743
00:38:17,835 --> 00:38:21,903
The investigator
that did the analysis,
744
00:38:21,972 --> 00:38:26,408
he's back and a little bit off
the direction of the parents,
745
00:38:26,477 --> 00:38:29,078
-maybe he knows
something that we don't know.
-Okay.
746
00:38:29,147 --> 00:38:32,776
Yeah, I'd like to know. I wonder
what is making him back off.
747
00:38:32,845 --> 00:38:35,183
Can we rule suicide out?
748
00:38:35,252 --> 00:38:36,918
LENA: But her body
would've been found.
749
00:38:36,987 --> 00:38:39,621
What, is she gonna trek
across the United States
750
00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:41,423
-to commit suicide?
-DONNIE: Yeah, true.
751
00:38:41,492 --> 00:38:44,994
Yeah. We would expect her
to turn up somewhere.
752
00:38:45,063 --> 00:38:46,161
Take this scenario,
753
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:47,629
tell me what you think.
754
00:38:47,698 --> 00:38:49,531
DONNIE: Dad gets
into it with her.
755
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,334
and then she says, "That's it,
I've had enough of this crap."
756
00:38:52,403 --> 00:38:54,003
-And she calls somebody.
-LENA: Mm-hmm.
757
00:38:54,072 --> 00:38:55,170
Hey, you have
to come get me.
758
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,106
I-- I can't stay here anymore.
759
00:38:57,175 --> 00:39:00,508
DONNIE: They have to somehow
get past the security gate.
760
00:39:00,577 --> 00:39:02,411
LENA: And so, a person
couldn't come through and say,
761
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,779
"Hey, I'm here
to see Jennifer Pandos.
762
00:39:03,848 --> 00:39:05,313
She lives at blah, blah, blah.
Here's a--"
763
00:39:05,382 --> 00:39:06,616
DONNIE:
They'd have to call the house.
764
00:39:06,685 --> 00:39:07,716
-Really? Wow.
-DONNIE: Yes.
765
00:39:07,785 --> 00:39:08,984
-LENA: What about this?
-(CLEARS THROAT)
766
00:39:09,053 --> 00:39:12,554
Friend parks his car
outside the community,
767
00:39:12,623 --> 00:39:15,690
walks, sneaks through the woods,
or whatever, walks to the house,
768
00:39:15,759 --> 00:39:18,426
they walk through the community
to his car outside the community
769
00:39:18,495 --> 00:39:20,162
so the car never has to come
through that gate.
770
00:39:20,231 --> 00:39:22,998
DONNIE: But the location
of the Pandos residence
771
00:39:23,067 --> 00:39:26,402
from the gate is,
I'm just gonna guess,
772
00:39:26,471 --> 00:39:27,770
over a mile.
773
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:29,704
LENA: What if Jennifer
made the phone call?
774
00:39:29,773 --> 00:39:31,774
Remember, she used
to babysit for that guy, right?
775
00:39:31,843 --> 00:39:33,474
-Yeah. Mm-hmm.
-Called someone and said,
776
00:39:33,543 --> 00:39:34,943
"In twenty minutes
or half an hour,
777
00:39:35,012 --> 00:39:37,980
meet me at the 7-Eleven
or wherever, I'll be there.
778
00:39:38,049 --> 00:39:39,214
Pick me up, I'm done."
779
00:39:39,283 --> 00:39:40,415
Then leaves the house,
780
00:39:40,484 --> 00:39:42,384
walks by herself
through the path
781
00:39:42,453 --> 00:39:44,052
and meets whoever's
picking her up.
782
00:39:44,121 --> 00:39:45,790
DONNIE: What about the note?
783
00:39:46,723 --> 00:39:48,924
-(SIGHS)
-Jennifer didn't write the note.
784
00:39:48,993 --> 00:39:51,093
The note's written
out of a notebook
785
00:39:51,162 --> 00:39:52,962
that's there at the scene.
786
00:39:53,031 --> 00:39:54,863
See, this is why the note
787
00:39:54,932 --> 00:39:57,566
gets me
in almost every scenario.
788
00:39:57,635 --> 00:40:01,737
Just say this scenario.
Someone parks,
789
00:40:01,806 --> 00:40:04,139
walks through the woods
to the house
790
00:40:04,208 --> 00:40:06,341
to come to get her, okay?
791
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:08,376
-LENA: Or she just meets him.
-I--
792
00:40:08,445 --> 00:40:10,615
Yeah, but the note is there.
793
00:40:26,464 --> 00:40:28,901
(PHONE LINE RINGING)
794
00:40:30,968 --> 00:40:32,234
JAKE: (OVER PHONE)
Investigator Rice.
795
00:40:32,303 --> 00:40:33,968
-Hey, Jake. Stephen Pandos.
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
796
00:40:34,037 --> 00:40:38,073
I was just following up to see
if there was any kind of update
797
00:40:38,142 --> 00:40:40,909
-as to what you were doing?
-JAKE: Not at this time.
798
00:40:40,978 --> 00:40:43,545
-You know,
we're still working...
-Yup.
799
00:40:43,614 --> 00:40:44,780
JAKE: ...with what
we're working on,
800
00:40:44,849 --> 00:40:46,518
but there's nothing
that I can...
801
00:40:47,919 --> 00:40:50,855
-divulge or give out.
-Okay.
802
00:40:51,889 --> 00:40:53,192
JAKE: So, no...
803
00:41:00,499 --> 00:41:02,701
INTERVIEWER:
804
00:41:03,468 --> 00:41:05,767
Having a wide open,
805
00:41:05,836 --> 00:41:07,503
"Here's every step
that I'm doing,"
806
00:41:07,572 --> 00:41:09,138
I just can't do it.
807
00:41:09,207 --> 00:41:12,074
I've let him know
everything that's going on,
808
00:41:12,143 --> 00:41:13,841
it's 'cause
it's an open investigation,
809
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:19,014
and he's running a...
his own side investigation.
810
00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:21,516
And that's the hard part for me.
I mean, yeah, he calls
811
00:41:21,585 --> 00:41:24,286
but until I have something
that's in concrete,
812
00:41:24,355 --> 00:41:25,821
that I can give him
the information,
813
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:29,291
right now, I gotta keep cards
to myself.
814
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,429
I just hope I catch who it is.
That's what I'm after.
815
00:41:33,498 --> 00:41:34,829
For me to sit here and say
816
00:41:34,898 --> 00:41:38,962
that I have no suspicions
on the parents would be a lie.
817
00:41:39,031 --> 00:41:40,772
I still have suspicions.
818
00:41:41,706 --> 00:41:43,299
There is still some things
819
00:41:43,368 --> 00:41:45,740
that you're like,
"Why'd this happen?"
820
00:41:45,809 --> 00:41:50,646
If I had to personally
describe this case,
821
00:41:50,715 --> 00:41:52,882
it's just like a roller coaster.
822
00:41:52,951 --> 00:41:54,984
That's the way it's went
over these years.
823
00:41:55,053 --> 00:41:57,386
We've had times
where we were down,
824
00:41:57,455 --> 00:41:59,587
there's nothing, and then,
825
00:41:59,656 --> 00:42:02,290
we have something
to work that file.
826
00:42:02,359 --> 00:42:07,262
Now we start to get somewhere.
And now, it's got other suspects
827
00:42:07,331 --> 00:42:09,698
so maybe we need
to do a loop back.
828
00:42:09,767 --> 00:42:16,175
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
829
00:42:30,787 --> 00:42:32,054
INTERVIEWER:
So if the police are looking
830
00:42:32,123 --> 00:42:35,727
at other suspects now,
who do you think that would be?
831
00:42:37,161 --> 00:42:41,330
The only one whose name
I've heard before was, um...
832
00:42:41,399 --> 00:42:44,934
a guy, last name "Hendrix,"
I can't remember his first name.
833
00:42:45,003 --> 00:42:46,202
Kerry, maybe...
834
00:42:46,271 --> 00:42:47,639
Um...
835
00:42:49,173 --> 00:42:51,606
who apparently, my sister
and some of her friends
836
00:42:51,675 --> 00:42:54,346
used to babysit for.
I don't know him.
837
00:42:55,714 --> 00:42:57,049
So I have no idea.
838
00:42:59,483 --> 00:43:02,484
WENDI: In 2006,
I was given information
839
00:43:02,553 --> 00:43:04,853
that Jennifer and another friend
had gone
840
00:43:04,922 --> 00:43:09,624
to a adult male's home
to babysit for him.
841
00:43:09,693 --> 00:43:12,697
And he would often
provide them with alcohol.
842
00:43:13,797 --> 00:43:17,065
As I started to look
into that individual's history,
843
00:43:17,134 --> 00:43:19,835
I found that he
had been convicted
844
00:43:19,904 --> 00:43:24,573
of kidnapping,
and attempted kidnapping.
845
00:43:24,642 --> 00:43:26,841
I had a few locations on him.
846
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:29,745
I had gone to the residence
that I believed he was at
847
00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:31,179
and tried to locate him there,
848
00:43:31,248 --> 00:43:34,417
but I was never able
to speak with him directly.
849
00:43:34,486 --> 00:43:36,788
(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
850
00:43:46,965 --> 00:43:49,097
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
851
00:43:49,166 --> 00:43:52,100
DONNIE:
Kerry Hendrix was a older man.
852
00:43:52,169 --> 00:43:57,238
There was mention in the note
of a father-like figure.
853
00:43:57,307 --> 00:43:59,942
He was arrested
for attempted abduction
854
00:44:00,011 --> 00:44:03,539
of a female on a college campus
there in Williamsburg.
855
00:44:03,608 --> 00:44:06,649
A peer said it was
a sexual assault attempt.
856
00:44:06,718 --> 00:44:08,117
He would be somebody
857
00:44:08,186 --> 00:44:09,885
that you would definitely
have to look at
858
00:44:09,954 --> 00:44:11,856
as a possible suspect.
859
00:44:14,892 --> 00:44:16,124
ROBIN: (OVER PHONE)
This is Robin.
860
00:44:16,193 --> 00:44:18,794
Hey, Robin.
My name's Donnie Norrell.
861
00:44:18,863 --> 00:44:22,831
We're talking about anything
you can remember
862
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:24,800
in reference to Kerry Hendrix.
863
00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:26,201
-And, um...
-ROBIN: Yes.
864
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:28,236
...back in 1990.
865
00:44:28,305 --> 00:44:29,942
ROBIN: (CLICKS TONGUE)
866
00:44:46,024 --> 00:44:47,426
-DONNIE: Mm-hmm.
-ROBIN:
867
00:45:06,711 --> 00:45:09,510
-DONNIE: Yeah.
-ROBIN:
868
00:45:09,579 --> 00:45:12,247
-DONNIE: Well,
thanks again, I appreciate it.
-ROBIN: All right, no problem.
869
00:45:12,316 --> 00:45:14,049
-All right, take care.
-ROBIN: Thanks.
870
00:45:14,118 --> 00:45:15,584
-Bye-bye.
-All right. Bye.
871
00:45:15,653 --> 00:45:17,853
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
872
00:45:17,922 --> 00:45:19,654
DONNIE:
He would be somebody
873
00:45:19,723 --> 00:45:21,356
that you would definitely have
to look at
874
00:45:21,425 --> 00:45:22,990
as a possible suspect.
875
00:45:23,059 --> 00:45:26,962
Is he the father-like figure
that she was talking about?
876
00:45:27,031 --> 00:45:28,964
Could he have written the note?
877
00:45:29,033 --> 00:45:31,904
All of those things
are possible.
878
00:45:33,771 --> 00:45:36,204
(PHONE LINE RINGING)
879
00:45:36,273 --> 00:45:37,172
FILMMAKER: Hello?
880
00:45:37,241 --> 00:45:38,777
STEPHEN: (OVER PHONE)
Hey there.
881
00:46:23,388 --> 00:46:24,423
FILMMAKER:
882
00:46:25,557 --> 00:46:27,026
STEPHEN:
883
00:46:34,665 --> 00:46:36,468
FILMMAKER:
884
00:47:06,931 --> 00:47:08,663
INTERVIEWER:
Could we interview you?
885
00:47:08,732 --> 00:47:10,532
KERRY HENDRIX: Yeah, it's been
like, a long time though.
886
00:47:10,601 --> 00:47:12,267
INTERVIEWER: That's okay.
This was the last place
887
00:47:12,336 --> 00:47:14,903
that we had for you,
and so we took a chance
888
00:47:14,972 --> 00:47:16,572
-and drove up here.
-(KERRY SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)
889
00:47:16,641 --> 00:47:18,406
(LAUGHS)
890
00:47:18,475 --> 00:47:24,513
INTERVIEWER: Hmm. So, tell me
how you know Jennifer Pandos?
891
00:47:24,582 --> 00:47:26,948
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-(COUGHS) It seems to me,
892
00:47:27,017 --> 00:47:29,117
I was newly divorced,
and I had won custody
893
00:47:29,186 --> 00:47:31,186
of my then one-year-old son.
894
00:47:31,255 --> 00:47:33,655
I'm thinking that I saw
an advertisement somewhere,
895
00:47:33,724 --> 00:47:34,823
like a teenager
896
00:47:34,892 --> 00:47:37,325
looking to babysit,
make money on the side.
897
00:47:37,394 --> 00:47:40,361
INTERVIEWER: And did you ever
suspect that the cops thought
898
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:44,133
that you may be somebody
who was harboring her?
899
00:47:44,202 --> 00:47:47,002
Yeah, yeah. I believed that
about her father and the police
900
00:47:47,071 --> 00:47:51,273
the whole time. I mean,
I was their prime interest.
901
00:47:51,342 --> 00:47:52,507
Um...
902
00:47:52,576 --> 00:47:55,010
And, you know-- And I could
understand if she was--
903
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,378
If I was one of the few people
in her life
904
00:47:57,447 --> 00:48:02,017
that was outside the family,
I'd be... I'd be looking
that way too.
905
00:48:02,086 --> 00:48:03,752
INTERVIEWER:
Well we've been
following every...
906
00:48:03,821 --> 00:48:05,721
-Yeah. (COUGHS)
-...potential lead
907
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:07,055
-or anybody that had...
-Hmm.
908
00:48:07,124 --> 00:48:08,656
...any interactions
with her at all, we've been...
909
00:48:08,725 --> 00:48:11,893
You know, in Williamsburg--
Williamsburg's a small town
910
00:48:11,962 --> 00:48:13,195
and I had a troubled childhood,
911
00:48:13,264 --> 00:48:14,729
like I said, I was
in trouble a lot.
912
00:48:14,798 --> 00:48:18,862
And so they always had me
and my little circle of friends
913
00:48:18,931 --> 00:48:20,701
as number one suspects
in anything that happened
914
00:48:20,770 --> 00:48:24,039
in that town. These girls
were getting raped in college
915
00:48:24,108 --> 00:48:27,176
and we were suspects. And we,
you know, won the case.
916
00:48:27,245 --> 00:48:29,712
And so, you know,
they build this image
917
00:48:29,781 --> 00:48:31,483
of you based on their...
918
00:48:32,749 --> 00:48:35,717
their suspicions
and it sticks with you.
919
00:48:35,786 --> 00:48:36,918
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah, we did see...
920
00:48:36,987 --> 00:48:38,186
-Yeah. (COUGHS)
-...on your record
921
00:48:38,255 --> 00:48:43,291
that you had been convicted
of attempted abduction
922
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,393
-and they--
What was that about?
-Abduction, yeah.
923
00:48:45,462 --> 00:48:47,597
And see they thought
that was a rape attempt.
924
00:48:47,666 --> 00:48:48,630
It was attempted robbery.
925
00:48:48,699 --> 00:48:51,266
(STAMMERS) I was addicted
to cocaine at the time
926
00:48:51,335 --> 00:48:54,804
and I tried to snatch a purse
which wound up being a backpack.
927
00:48:54,873 --> 00:48:56,939
And, you know,
because she thought
928
00:48:57,008 --> 00:48:59,040
that I was trying
to push her in the car,
929
00:48:59,109 --> 00:49:01,176
they thought that I was trying
to abduct her.
930
00:49:01,245 --> 00:49:03,111
There was no evidence
of no abduction.
931
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:04,980
INTERVIEWER:
Cori, who's the girl
932
00:49:05,049 --> 00:49:07,415
that came over
to your house with Jennifer,
933
00:49:07,484 --> 00:49:09,485
she said that you actually
gave them alcohol.
934
00:49:09,554 --> 00:49:11,119
No. No.
935
00:49:11,188 --> 00:49:15,056
No. (CHUCKLES) I would
never do it. Never do it.
936
00:49:15,125 --> 00:49:16,726
INTERVIEWER: Would you
have considered yourself
937
00:49:16,795 --> 00:49:18,828
a father figure
for Jennifer at all?
938
00:49:18,897 --> 00:49:20,596
I probably was
at the time because,
939
00:49:20,665 --> 00:49:22,030
you know, I was a father.
940
00:49:22,099 --> 00:49:23,565
And I mean,
that's why she was there.
941
00:49:23,634 --> 00:49:24,733
To babysit my son.
942
00:49:24,802 --> 00:49:28,637
And she was telling me
some stuff about her family life
943
00:49:28,706 --> 00:49:30,538
where she was having problems.
944
00:49:30,607 --> 00:49:32,274
She didn't really say
what the problems were,
945
00:49:32,343 --> 00:49:33,942
she just said she
didn't feel comfortable there
946
00:49:34,011 --> 00:49:36,045
and she was looking--
Didn't know what to do.
947
00:49:36,114 --> 00:49:38,113
And she was thinking
about running away.
948
00:49:38,182 --> 00:49:39,849
And I cautioned her
against that.
949
00:49:39,918 --> 00:49:41,945
And then she just--
950
00:49:42,014 --> 00:49:44,953
Never came around anymore.
And her father called
951
00:49:45,022 --> 00:49:46,488
and thought that she
was staying over there.
952
00:49:46,557 --> 00:49:48,924
So that's when I kinda learned
that she went missing.
953
00:49:48,993 --> 00:49:51,193
And I kinda figured
that she ran away,
954
00:49:51,262 --> 00:49:53,365
that's what
she had been talking about.
955
00:50:00,472 --> 00:50:02,207
INTERVIEWER:
956
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:04,373
KERRY:
Well, he called first.
957
00:50:04,442 --> 00:50:06,375
And I said, "You know,
if you wanna come by and look,
958
00:50:06,444 --> 00:50:08,376
look for yourself, that's fine,
but she's not here."
959
00:50:08,445 --> 00:50:11,279
And he did. He seemed
like a nice-looking guy,
960
00:50:11,348 --> 00:50:13,014
and I think he was just there
very briefly.
961
00:50:13,083 --> 00:50:17,119
But he was very cold. And, um...
962
00:50:17,188 --> 00:50:19,788
like "push away"
kind of personality,
963
00:50:19,857 --> 00:50:21,023
at least with me.
964
00:50:21,092 --> 00:50:23,158
And I-- I understand
why he felt like
965
00:50:23,227 --> 00:50:27,429
I was harboring a girl there
or something. But, uh, um...
966
00:50:27,498 --> 00:50:30,126
seemed like the police had--
they came by or at least called,
967
00:50:30,195 --> 00:50:32,134
I can't remember. I don't think
they came by, they called.
968
00:50:32,203 --> 00:50:34,703
And I told them
the same thing. And...
969
00:50:34,772 --> 00:50:36,872
that you're more than welcome
to come by and look anytime.
970
00:50:36,941 --> 00:50:39,144
(CHUCKLES)
She's not here, you know?
971
00:50:39,844 --> 00:50:42,243
What you doing? (CHUCKLES)
972
00:50:42,312 --> 00:50:48,420
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
973
00:50:58,429 --> 00:51:00,029
JAKE: Hey, Andrew.
This is Jake.
974
00:51:00,098 --> 00:51:01,229
I'm just making sure
975
00:51:01,298 --> 00:51:03,032
that you got that stuff
that I sent you.
976
00:51:03,101 --> 00:51:05,266
Reference, "Pandos."
977
00:51:05,335 --> 00:51:09,674
Right. I mean, that's my belief
and that he had more to do
978
00:51:10,307 --> 00:51:12,669
than what he's telling us.
979
00:51:12,738 --> 00:51:14,109
Yeah, I mean, that's my thing.
980
00:51:14,178 --> 00:51:17,012
He might be having us
on to a different location.
981
00:51:17,081 --> 00:51:19,551
Okay. So we're going down
the right road.
982
00:51:20,051 --> 00:51:22,384
All right, bye.
983
00:51:22,453 --> 00:51:26,155
I mean, right now, I'm waiting
on lab results to come back.
984
00:51:26,224 --> 00:51:27,559
I will say that.
985
00:51:30,394 --> 00:51:34,830
'Cause I don't want anyone
to know who might be
986
00:51:34,899 --> 00:51:36,498
or might not be on the radar.
987
00:51:36,567 --> 00:51:39,200
If they get tipped off
that we're coming,
988
00:51:39,269 --> 00:51:42,304
it can prepare them
for what they wanna tell us.
989
00:51:42,373 --> 00:51:46,875
So I would rather...
me know and that's it.
990
00:51:46,944 --> 00:51:49,444
And me make that surprise visit.
991
00:51:49,513 --> 00:51:51,179
INTERVIEWER:
Are you hopeful still?
992
00:51:51,248 --> 00:51:52,617
I'm very hopeful.
993
00:52:41,098 --> 00:52:42,567
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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