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WENDI REED:
This is the spiral notebook
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that Margie Pandos,
uh, turned over to us
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when she turned over the note.
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The note that was left
at the scene
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came out of this notebook.
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This is a notebook
that Jennifer used
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to write back and forth
with a friend.
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So Jennifer would write summin',
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when she'd finished, she would
give it to her friend, Kerrie,
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and then Kerrie would respond.
I thought it was pretty typical
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of what a 15-year-old girl
would do during high school.
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(CHUCKLES SOFTLY)
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There's a paragraph written
that states,
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"You may not know this,
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but there are great problems
among my family."
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JENNIFER PANDOS, ACTOR:
"There are great problems
in my family."
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WENDI: "It just doesn't
seem that way."
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"It just doesn't seem that way.
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The tension in my family
is so great,
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I don't let many people know
how I feel deep inside
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because I don't care
what happens to my family.
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We were never a family.
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But my parents think
they can make us
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one big, happy family.
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I let them think it's working...
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but it isn't,
and it never will."
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WENDI: As we can see,
she was having
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some type of issue
in the household.
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The last entry in this notebook
was made on February 9th, 1987.
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And there's nothing in here
that would indicate
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that she was contemplating
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running away or hurting herself
in any way.
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♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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WENDI:
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MARGIE PANDOS:
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MARGIE:
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MARGIE:
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(DOOR OPENING)
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KAREN SHULER:
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KAREN:
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STEPHEN PANDOS:
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KAREN:
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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WENDI:
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STEPHEN:
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STEPHEN: For me, it was just
one of these moments of...
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"Is this really happening?
Am I really here?"
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When the police were trying
to get ahold of my mother,
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Wendi called my mother
seven times
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before my mother
called her back.
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And during that period of time,
my mother is emailing my father,
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asking, "What do they want?"
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STEPHEN:
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(STEPHEN SCOFFS)
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STEPHEN:
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(WENDI CHUCKLES)
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STEPHEN:
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WENDI: That day was stressful.
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The letter of immunity
was on all crimes
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other than homicide.
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Margie didn't want the letter,
which led me to believe
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that Margie was somehow
more involved
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than what we had thought
at that point.
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STEPHEN:
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MARGIE:
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STEPHEN:
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(YELLS)
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-♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
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-Hi there. Come on in.
-INTERVIEWER: Hey.
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Nice to see you again.
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INTERVIEWER: I thought
this could be just
real informal,
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get more background
information and stuff, so...
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-Okay.
-(DOORBELL RINGING)
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Hang on.
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-How you doing?
-MARGIE: Hi.
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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-Have a good one.
-Thank you.
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Okay. Uh, that was unexpected.
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Uh. This is from
the National Center
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for Missing
and Exploited Children.
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So it might be
the age-progressed...
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drawing.
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False alarm.
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They asked
for a photograph of me
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from around the time
I was 45 or so.
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Many long years ago.
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-(ENVELOPE RUSTLING)
-(TELEPHONE RINGING)
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MARGIE:
I don't know who that is.
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-(CLEARS THROAT)
-(TELEPHONE CONTINUES RINGING)
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Oh. Hello.
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-CALLER: Uh, is this Margie?
-It is.
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JOHN: Hello, my name is John--
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MARGIE: That telephone
ringing with me,
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getting up to answer it...
(EXHALES)
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...I've always been that way
since she left.
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You know, I can't...
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Unless I can see, you know,
who's calling...
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I'm answering that phone.
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INTERVIEWER:
So how did you meet Ron?
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MARGIE: I was head cashier
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and he was
one of the department managers,
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and we married
and Stephen came along and
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you know,
it's just a very mundane,
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ordinary, nothing...
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spectacular life.
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♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MARGIE: Stephen was born
when he was stationed
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at Hunter Army Airfield
in Savannah.
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And when he was a month old,
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I moved down there,
and in mid-October
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he got called up
to go to Vietnam
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and left Thanksgiving of '68.
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He was the door gunner
on a helicopter,
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but he never really talked to me
about what happened...
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what he's-- had seen,
what he did.
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I really don't know.
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I know he came home
with a Bronze Star,
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but I don't know
what that was for.
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And when he got back,
he got his degree in accounting
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and a few years later,
Jennifer was born.
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She had some problems.
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Her hemoglobin was very low,
very pale.
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But within two months,
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her iron was back
where it needed to be
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and we were happy and healthy,
and she was a jolly baby.
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Very independent.
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She was pulling up
with your fingers
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when she was eight weeks old,
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wanting to stand.
I always said that
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when she learned
how to open the refrigerator,
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that was the last
she needed of me.
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INTERVIEWER:
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MARGIE:
It was always strained, I think,
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because Stephen was an infant
when Ron went to Vietnam
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and he came home, and he was
an 18-month-old toddler,
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you know,
and he didn't really know him.
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He knew me and his grandmother.
It was somebody he had to learn.
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As he got older and into sports,
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Ron was the little league dad
on his back,
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and he was always that way,
on his back about something.
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He had a sh-- very short fuse.
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Very short fuse. Um, you just...
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mm... (HESITATES)
...knew when to stop,
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you know, if you were trying
to make a point.
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If you woke him up,
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you did it from a distance
because you didn't know
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if he was gonna come up
swinging or not.
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♪ (SOFT MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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(CUP CLATTERING)
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So, what I'd like to do is...
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um, what we call is a "debrief."
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And, uh, the reason we do that
is to look at all the facts.
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Do we have motives?
Do we have people of interest,
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people that we need
to interview?
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And then we try to figure out
the best avenue
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of following investigations.
Does that make sense?
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-So... what happened...
-♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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-(MARKER SCRATCHING)
-DONNIE NORRELL: ...to...
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Jennifer?
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(CROW CAWING)
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DONNIE: So, scenario one,
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Jenn left on her own.
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If she left on her own
from her home
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to at least the gate,
if she met somebody afterwards,
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there was a pretty good distance
of a walk.
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It was 28 degrees.
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Did she take anything?
We don't know.
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When she normally leaves
on a planned visit,
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she takes a ton of stuff.
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Her girlfriends
have verified that.
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But the bigger question is
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if she wrote the note
and she left on her own,
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why was it necessary
to disguise her writing?
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Disguising the writing
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would rule this out
because it wasn't necessary.
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If she was leaving
on her own free will,
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why not write the note
in her own writing?
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You always have to consider
this, suicidal ideation.
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She left on her own
and she was gonna take her life,
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maybe jump off a bridge,
jump into water.
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But that scenario doesn't fit
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because she had
no history of it.
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So, scenario two
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is Jenn calls somebody
to pick her up.
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Who would come and get her?
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Tony, the ex-boyfriend,
the unknown father figure?
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There is one slight possibility
of Hendrix.
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This is a person
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that she babysitted for
in the past.
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And could this possibly
be the same person?
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I don't know.
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Then again,
why disguise handwriting?
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Why was that necessary?
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I believe
that this is the less likely
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of all the scenarios
that could have happened
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because you have
to get past the gate,
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you have to know
where the residence is,
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you have to enter the residence
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and participate
in writing a note
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knowing that her parents
are upstairs.
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It doesn't make sense
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if nothing nefarious
was going on.
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In the last scenario,
something happens in the house.
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There's only three people
in the house...
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Mom, Dad, Jenn.
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In this scenario,
there's explanations
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why the handwriting
is disguised.
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"I'll never come back
if you notify the police,"
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so there's a time delay
for the parents.
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Certain details,
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the money in the bank,
the doctor's appointments.
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I need to cancel
her doctor's appointment
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on Friday. (INHALES DEEPLY)
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Mom makes the appointments,
and a 15-year-old kid
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just goes whenever Mom says,
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"Remember, we got
a doctor's appointment Friday."
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The parents’ behavior
was bizarre.
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Most parents, if their kid
was gone in the morning
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and there was
a crazy note like that,
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the first thing they'd have done
is call 911.
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(COIN RATTLING)
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DONNIE:
Sharon is the last person
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that calls Jennifer
and talks to her
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the night
before her disappearance,
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calls from school
on two occasions.
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Hi, Mrs. Pandos. Is Jenn there?
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She's sick?
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Oh, well can you tell her
that I called?
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DONNIE: The first occasion,
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the mother says
that Jenn's sick.
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Is she still sick?
You said she was sick.
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DONNIE: And on the second,
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-she's off with her father.
-Oh.
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Well, can you tell her
to call me
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when she gets home, please?
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DONNIE:
She's lying to school kids
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about her daughter,
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when she knows
her daughter is missing.
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And then, again,
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none of her friends
ever hear from her.
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I still stick to this scenario
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as the one that I would pursue.
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I'm thinking she had
some type of accidental death.
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The parents’ behavior
is way too crazy to believe,
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and then the polygraphs,
the handwriting,
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the father's history
of potential violence,
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post-traumatic stress syndrome.
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It's tax time. He's stressed,
he's working hard.
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She's got
a crappy teenage attitude
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in calling him
by his first name.
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Okay, okay, all right.
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All right, I'll get off
the goddamn phone, Ronald, okay?
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Sharon, I'll talk
to you tomorrow.
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"Didn't I tell you
to get off that phone?
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-It's a school night."
-I'm off the phone, Ronald.
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"Whatever, Ronald."
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(GRUNTS) I can't wait to just
get away from you.
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(GASPS)
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And it could have been
as simple as--
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(JENNIFER THUDS)
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DONNIE: And you fall back
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and hit your head
on the bedpost...
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Baby. Baby, wake up.
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DONNIE: ...fracture your skull
and you're dead.
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Wake up. Baby, wake up.
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Wake up, baby.
(PANTS) Baby, wake up.
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Those are things
that only two people know
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and that's the mother
and the father.
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♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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STEPHEN:
So where do you think she is?
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Where do I think she is?
I have no idea.
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STEPHEN: No, we gotta--
you gotta think she's someplace.
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-What do you think-- if--
-If Ron were--
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Hypothetically, if Ron were to
accidently kill her,
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where would he put her?
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I think he took her somewhere
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on one of his nightly excursions
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or when he went to Pennsylvania.
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(CRICKETS CHIRPING)
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-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-(COFFEE POURING)
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(CROCKERY CLATTERING)
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STEPHEN'S DAUGHTER: I'll
call you about my car later.
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Okay. Yeah.
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STEPHEN'S DAUGHTER: Bye, Dad.
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(CLOCK TICKING)
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(DOOR CLOSING)
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-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-(KEYS RATTLING)
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(CAR BEEPING)
291
00:21:24,221 --> 00:21:25,890
(CAR ENGINE REVVING)
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(RAIN PATTERING)
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♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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MARGIE:
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-WENDI:
-MARGIE:
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STEPHEN: In the three days
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between the time
that my sister disappeared
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and the time that my parents
called the police,
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and my father
telling the police department
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that he went to Pennsylvania
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to tell his mother
about Jennifer...
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That never happened.
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INTERVIEWER:
So... can you tell me
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-your relationship to Stephen?
-Cousin.
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JENNIFER BROADT:
Once a year in the summer,
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Jennifer and Stephen
would come in--
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more so Jennifer
for about two weeks,
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and I would spend time with her.
When Jenny and I were little,
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I remember her and Ron
would be very playful,
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wrestling and--
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And it would get rough
sometimes.
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And sometimes he did hurt her,
not intentionally,
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but, you know,
Jenny would cry in the corner.
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It was that kind of thing.
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My aunt would always be yelling,
"Knock it off, knock it off."
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So they were playful and loving,
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but then on the other hand,
she was terrified of him.
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I could see it.
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But when I was a kid,
I just thought it was
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because you're afraid to get
in trouble by your parents.
321
00:23:14,466 --> 00:23:15,696
I don't know, though.
322
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It's-- It's just hard
to believe all of it really.
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♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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-STEPHEN: Hey, Uncle Bob.
-BOB RITZ: Hey, Stephen.
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-How are you?
-(BOTH CHUCKLE)
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-STEPHEN: Give me a hug.
-(BOB GROANS)
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-How are you?
-Good, Jenn. How are you?
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00:23:31,416 --> 00:23:32,308
Good.
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00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:33,749
-I have something for you.
-(PAPER RUSTLING)
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-STEPHEN: What's that?
-(CLEARS THROAT)
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STEPHEN: (INHALES DEEPLY)
Oh, my God.
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-I was a fat baby.
-(BOB LAUGHS)
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DONNA BROADT: (LAUGHS)
Weren't you.
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STEPHEN: Oh, so when's that?
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DONNA: That was
when he graduated from...
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-STEPHEN: High school?
-DONNA: ...high school.
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00:23:46,763 --> 00:23:48,830
And then the other one
is his grandmother, my aunt.
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-STEPHEN: That's my grandma.
-(DONNA CHATTING INDISTINCTLY)
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00:23:51,102 --> 00:23:52,034
STEPHEN: What did--
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00:23:52,103 --> 00:23:54,069
What did my parents
tell Nan all these years?
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00:23:54,138 --> 00:23:55,070
You know?
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00:23:55,139 --> 00:23:56,471
BOB: Well, it's a mystery to us.
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00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:58,941
But we didn't find out until--
we assume
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-it was 1997 or '98 probably.
-Yeah.
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00:24:01,712 --> 00:24:03,373
-BOB: Right?
-DONNA: One time I remember
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00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,380
when they came up
to visit in the summertime,
347
00:24:05,449 --> 00:24:09,384
they said that Jenny was invited
to go to the shore with friends
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00:24:09,453 --> 00:24:13,822
and that's why she wasn't there.
And then when you got married,
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00:24:13,891 --> 00:24:16,591
your nan told us that
Jenny was living with somebody
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00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:18,961
who forbid her
to come to the wedding.
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00:24:19,030 --> 00:24:20,529
So we had no reason--
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00:24:20,598 --> 00:24:21,896
BROADT: That's not what I heard.
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00:24:21,965 --> 00:24:26,229
-DONNA: What did you hear?
-I heard that your dad had said
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00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:29,004
she had a trip planned
with friends.
355
00:24:29,073 --> 00:24:30,605
That's why she wasn't
at your wedding.
356
00:24:30,674 --> 00:24:31,840
But I thought,
"Why wouldn't you be
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00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:33,374
at your own brother's wedding?"
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00:24:33,443 --> 00:24:34,677
DONNA: Yeah,
I heard you say that
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00:24:34,746 --> 00:24:36,145
but Aunt Kitty told me...
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00:24:36,214 --> 00:24:38,246
-BOB: Different story.
-DONNA: ...a different story.
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00:24:38,315 --> 00:24:41,116
BOB: I think the most
perplexing thing-- if indeed
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00:24:41,185 --> 00:24:43,484
-Jenn was missing, right...
-STEPHEN: Mm-hmm.
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00:24:43,553 --> 00:24:45,587
-...the day she was missing...
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
364
00:24:45,656 --> 00:24:48,123
BOB:...why wouldn't someone
try to get in touch
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00:24:48,192 --> 00:24:50,793
with one of us
to see if Jenn ever called us
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00:24:50,862 --> 00:24:52,727
-or talk-- talked to us?
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
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00:24:52,796 --> 00:24:55,030
That's, I guess, the--
what bothers me the most.
368
00:24:55,099 --> 00:24:59,935
When your grandmother got sick,
I remember saying to him,
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00:25:00,004 --> 00:25:02,774
"Ron, you need to tell
your mother about Jenny."
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00:25:04,442 --> 00:25:06,841
And later I ask him,
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00:25:06,910 --> 00:25:09,845
"Did you tell your mother?"
And he said, "Yes."
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00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:12,647
And I said, "What did she say?"
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00:25:12,716 --> 00:25:14,853
And he said, "She asked me
what I did to her."
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00:25:16,087 --> 00:25:18,086
It's obvious
from this letter he sent me
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00:25:18,155 --> 00:25:21,023
when he got out of prison
that, yeah, there is some things
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00:25:21,092 --> 00:25:23,825
that he carries with him
from Vietnam.
377
00:25:23,894 --> 00:25:27,730
"To this day, I remember vividly
my first confirmed kill.
378
00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:29,765
To this day,
I see the lady's face
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00:25:29,834 --> 00:25:32,233
and I constantly ask
if she had a family
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00:25:32,302 --> 00:25:33,569
and did she have any children?
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00:25:33,638 --> 00:25:35,703
I still have flashbacks.
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00:25:35,772 --> 00:25:38,741
My granddaughter
was born on August 12th, 1999
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00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:40,308
and I haven't seen her yet.
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00:25:40,377 --> 00:25:41,676
Not because I don't want to,
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00:25:41,745 --> 00:25:43,645
but because I'm too ashamed
to see my son.
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00:25:43,714 --> 00:25:46,051
I feel that I failed
my son and my daughter."
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00:25:48,653 --> 00:25:49,955
It's just sad.
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INTERVIEWER:
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00:25:57,329 --> 00:25:59,294
(STEPHEN SIGHS)
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00:25:59,363 --> 00:26:00,495
I don't know how to say this,
391
00:26:00,564 --> 00:26:02,564
so I'm just gonna
sort of spit it out
392
00:26:02,633 --> 00:26:04,904
and it's gonna
be really inarticulate.
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00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:10,738
(SIGHS) This whole experience...
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00:26:10,807 --> 00:26:15,878
and maybe o-- one of the reasons
that I fight... (INHALES)
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00:26:15,947 --> 00:26:20,015
...you know,
so hard for Jennifer,
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00:26:20,084 --> 00:26:25,588
is that it's what a family
I think is supposed to be.
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00:26:25,657 --> 00:26:27,026
If that makes any sense?
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00:26:28,327 --> 00:26:29,761
Um...
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00:26:31,796 --> 00:26:35,230
And that ideal, you know. Um...
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00:26:35,299 --> 00:26:40,305
I guess because I never had it
and it's what I...
401
00:26:41,672 --> 00:26:44,273
probably want
more than anything.
402
00:26:44,342 --> 00:26:49,144
That sense of belonging that,
you know, that I don't have
403
00:26:49,213 --> 00:26:51,746
because I really
don't have a family...
404
00:26:51,815 --> 00:26:54,286
-(CAR HORN HONKS)
-...an immediate family. Um...
405
00:27:00,024 --> 00:27:02,694
(INHALES) Uh...
406
00:27:14,005 --> 00:27:15,374
Does that make any sense?
407
00:27:17,108 --> 00:27:18,077
INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
408
00:27:22,346 --> 00:27:26,251
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
409
00:27:32,622 --> 00:27:35,227
-Hello?
-INTERVIEWER: Hello. Come in.
410
00:27:36,461 --> 00:27:39,060
This box is...
411
00:27:39,129 --> 00:27:44,466
the evidence that I collected
against Ron Pandos.
412
00:27:44,535 --> 00:27:48,173
It includes everything
I had on him.
413
00:27:49,373 --> 00:27:53,374
-INTERVIEWER: You okay?
-No. (CHUCKLES) No, I'm not.
414
00:27:53,443 --> 00:27:55,010
(SNIFFLES) It's very difficult
415
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:58,783
because no one's wanted
to hear my story. No one.
416
00:27:59,851 --> 00:28:02,684
And I begged people,
I begged them...
417
00:28:02,753 --> 00:28:04,856
(SNIFFLES) ...to hear my story.
418
00:28:05,855 --> 00:28:07,823
INTERVIEWER:
Where would you like to start?
419
00:28:07,892 --> 00:28:09,894
You want to start
with just meeting Ron?
420
00:28:11,395 --> 00:28:13,933
Well, I met him in...
421
00:28:15,566 --> 00:28:20,703
2005 through
an internet dating site.
422
00:28:20,772 --> 00:28:22,037
I just really, like,
423
00:28:22,106 --> 00:28:24,673
fell head over heels
in love with him...
424
00:28:24,742 --> 00:28:25,874
(INHALES)
425
00:28:25,943 --> 00:28:29,211
...becau-- And he seemed to be
in love with me.
426
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,913
You know, he'd tell me
he was a veteran
427
00:28:31,982 --> 00:28:35,951
and that his daughter
was like an endangered runaway.
428
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:39,688
And then he showed up
one day at my house
429
00:28:39,757 --> 00:28:41,222
and he said,
"I brought something
430
00:28:41,291 --> 00:28:44,159
for you to read."
And I said, "What is it?"
431
00:28:44,228 --> 00:28:45,794
And he handed me
a piece of paper,
432
00:28:45,863 --> 00:28:48,530
it was in a, uh, plastic holder.
433
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,866
And he said,
"This is the ransom note
434
00:28:50,935 --> 00:28:52,871
they left when someone...
435
00:28:53,771 --> 00:28:55,270
kidnapped my daughter."
436
00:28:55,339 --> 00:28:58,343
And the ransom note
was written in...
437
00:28:59,577 --> 00:29:01,380
like a black Marks-A-Lot,
438
00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:05,180
in letters probably that big.
439
00:29:05,249 --> 00:29:07,953
And I don't remember now
what it said,
440
00:29:08,653 --> 00:29:12,087
but it struck me as very odd.
441
00:29:12,156 --> 00:29:14,822
And I said-- I said,
"Is that the original ransom?"
442
00:29:14,891 --> 00:29:16,825
He goes, "Yes, it is."
I said, "Why do you have it?
443
00:29:16,894 --> 00:29:18,760
How come the police department
didn't have it?"
444
00:29:18,829 --> 00:29:21,033
He said, "Well, they didn't seem
to be interested."
445
00:29:22,434 --> 00:29:23,731
And then,
446
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,803
I went and read
an article about Jennifer.
447
00:29:27,872 --> 00:29:30,272
It had the ransom note
that was left
448
00:29:30,341 --> 00:29:34,176
the night she disappeared.
The note he showed me
449
00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:37,078
is totally different
than the other note.
450
00:29:37,147 --> 00:29:38,847
Plus, when I read
that other note,
451
00:29:38,916 --> 00:29:41,083
I said, "Well, I can tell you
who wrote it.
452
00:29:41,152 --> 00:29:44,119
He wrote it, because
that's the way he writes."
453
00:29:44,188 --> 00:29:45,888
Like starting out
in first person
454
00:29:45,957 --> 00:29:47,957
and then going into,
like, third person.
455
00:29:48,026 --> 00:29:50,895
He does that
as a matter of course.
456
00:29:52,296 --> 00:29:56,766
DONNIE: So Ron marries
Ruth Ann in 2007.
457
00:29:56,835 --> 00:29:59,468
He pleads guilty
to the fraud charge
458
00:29:59,537 --> 00:30:02,070
in South Carolina, 2008.
459
00:30:02,139 --> 00:30:05,808
Shortly after that,
Ruth Ann turns him in
460
00:30:05,877 --> 00:30:07,342
on possession of a firearm,
461
00:30:07,411 --> 00:30:10,078
says something's going bad
with their marriage.
462
00:30:10,147 --> 00:30:12,981
He is sentenced to three years.
463
00:30:13,050 --> 00:30:15,050
During that time,
a protective order
464
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:19,788
is issued on behalf of Ruth Ann.
He's released on the 23rd,
465
00:30:19,857 --> 00:30:22,691
and on March 25th,
466
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,096
he is accused of stalking her
and going by her residence.
467
00:30:27,165 --> 00:30:28,697
RUTH ANN PHILLIPS:
And they all wondered,
468
00:30:28,766 --> 00:30:30,065
"Why doesn't she divorce him?
469
00:30:30,134 --> 00:30:31,666
Why does she
stay married to him?"
470
00:30:31,735 --> 00:30:36,304
I did it because, as his wife,
I was able to give evidence
471
00:30:36,373 --> 00:30:39,774
to Wendi Reed, the FBI,
and whoever needed it.
472
00:30:39,843 --> 00:30:42,945
WENDI: I spoke with Ruth Ann
about her relationship with Ron.
473
00:30:43,014 --> 00:30:45,180
She told me
Ron was a habitual liar
474
00:30:45,249 --> 00:30:48,350
and that she had come to believe
that Ron had killed Jennifer.
475
00:30:48,419 --> 00:30:51,887
It was horrifying.
It was horrifying.
476
00:30:51,956 --> 00:30:53,756
You know,
think about that daughter.
477
00:30:53,825 --> 00:30:54,789
(INHALES) And...
478
00:30:54,858 --> 00:30:57,693
Okay, Ron had always told me
that her boyfriend--
479
00:30:57,762 --> 00:30:59,462
he was trying
to get her boyfriend,
480
00:30:59,531 --> 00:31:00,823
like, indicted.
481
00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:03,999
That guy is innocent.
Ron's trying to blame him.
482
00:31:04,068 --> 00:31:07,639
I hope that man's not having
to live in fear of this.
483
00:31:08,773 --> 00:31:11,871
JEFF VELLINES:
484
00:31:39,771 --> 00:31:41,737
(RUSTLING)
485
00:31:41,806 --> 00:31:44,309
♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
486
00:31:50,514 --> 00:31:52,214
-INTERVIEWER: I just--
-Be-- Before you start...
487
00:31:52,283 --> 00:31:54,182
-INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
-...just so you know,
488
00:31:54,251 --> 00:31:57,019
because-- And I tell this
to everybody that talks to me,
489
00:31:57,088 --> 00:32:00,189
is I don't BS,
490
00:32:00,258 --> 00:32:03,491
and I'll tell it to you
just like I have it. (EXHALES)
491
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,496
So, if you can't deal with that,
that's your problem.
492
00:32:07,565 --> 00:32:08,831
(CHUCKLES SOFTLY)
493
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:10,432
INTERVIEWER: Well,
I'm all right with that.
494
00:32:10,501 --> 00:32:13,435
Okay. I just--
Just so you know. (CHUCKLES)
495
00:32:13,504 --> 00:32:16,572
INTERVIEWER: So walk me through
the night before.
496
00:32:16,641 --> 00:32:18,107
What-- What do you remember?
497
00:32:18,176 --> 00:32:21,572
-About the night before?
-INTERVIEWER: Yeah. And like...
498
00:32:21,641 --> 00:32:24,980
(EXHALES DEEPLY)
I do remember...
499
00:32:25,049 --> 00:32:27,416
Jenny was in her room.
Well, I was working.
500
00:32:27,485 --> 00:32:29,621
I worked late that night,
I remember that.
501
00:32:30,422 --> 00:32:32,154
Uh...
502
00:32:32,223 --> 00:32:36,491
Jenny was doing homework
when I came home.
503
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,597
She was in her room
doing her homework.
504
00:32:39,596 --> 00:32:43,565
And, uh, we just basically
all went to bed.
505
00:32:43,634 --> 00:32:47,368
'Cause we watched--
Yeah, we just went to bed.
506
00:32:47,437 --> 00:32:53,112
And then the next morning,
my wife at the time got up...
507
00:32:54,145 --> 00:32:56,677
and went to open her door
and it was locked.
508
00:32:56,746 --> 00:33:00,719
We were going, "What the hell"--
Sorry, "What's going on?"
509
00:33:02,754 --> 00:33:04,519
Got the door open,
510
00:33:04,588 --> 00:33:07,355
and then the note
was laying on her bed.
511
00:33:07,424 --> 00:33:10,091
And then I read the note...
(INHALES DEEPLY)
512
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,398
...and I went,
"What the hell just happened?"
513
00:33:14,832 --> 00:33:17,469
First thing I did
that I remember...
514
00:33:18,664 --> 00:33:22,065
was I went to both gates...
515
00:33:22,134 --> 00:33:25,875
to see if they had a record
of anybody who came in...
516
00:33:25,944 --> 00:33:29,281
into the gates,
came into the subdivision,
517
00:33:30,682 --> 00:33:32,384
but they didn't have anything.
518
00:33:33,818 --> 00:33:35,320
Passed out posters,
519
00:33:36,521 --> 00:33:38,653
went... (SIGHS)
520
00:33:38,722 --> 00:33:42,524
...tried to find Tony Tobler.
Couldn't find Tony
521
00:33:42,593 --> 00:33:45,164
'cause I still say
he has something to do
522
00:33:45,763 --> 00:33:46,765
with the issue.
523
00:33:48,366 --> 00:33:51,232
And I could be wrong,
but that's just my opinion.
524
00:33:51,301 --> 00:33:53,101
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
525
00:33:53,170 --> 00:33:55,403
CROWD:
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag
526
00:33:55,472 --> 00:33:57,272
of the United States of America
527
00:33:57,341 --> 00:34:00,175
and to the Republic
for which it stands,
528
00:34:00,244 --> 00:34:02,544
one nation, under God,
529
00:34:02,613 --> 00:34:06,285
indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all."
530
00:34:08,352 --> 00:34:10,622
INTERVIEWER:
When's the last time
you talked to Stephen?
531
00:34:13,023 --> 00:34:15,727
(WHISTLES) Eight years ago.
532
00:34:18,329 --> 00:34:20,665
He had come to the prison
to talk to me.
533
00:34:21,165 --> 00:34:22,932
And he wanted me
534
00:34:23,001 --> 00:34:24,766
to admit to doing stuff
535
00:34:24,835 --> 00:34:27,902
that I know I didn't do,
and I wouldn't admit to it.
536
00:34:27,971 --> 00:34:30,609
INTERVIEWER: Do you remember
any part of that conversation?
537
00:34:33,277 --> 00:34:34,779
Not that I wanna talk about.
538
00:34:39,216 --> 00:34:41,549
STEPHEN: In February 2010,
539
00:34:41,618 --> 00:34:44,586
I went to see my father
when he was in prison.
540
00:34:44,655 --> 00:34:47,622
I'm speaking to my father,
you know, through--
541
00:34:47,691 --> 00:34:50,025
on a telephone,
through a piece of glass.
542
00:34:50,094 --> 00:34:51,994
And it was during that,
you know,
543
00:34:52,063 --> 00:34:53,862
three and a half hour
conversation
544
00:34:53,931 --> 00:34:55,596
that my father said, you know,
545
00:34:55,665 --> 00:34:58,099
"Hypothetically, I hit her
and she fell and hit her head."
546
00:34:58,168 --> 00:34:59,701
And you know,
"You want me to take the fall
547
00:34:59,770 --> 00:35:02,570
for this for your mother?
I'll take the fall."
548
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,740
Which I believe
is my father's way of saying
549
00:35:04,809 --> 00:35:06,269
he did it while being a victim.
550
00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:09,378
You know, a martyr for my mother
or an accident if he hit her.
551
00:35:09,447 --> 00:35:11,483
But he gets
to avoid responsibility.
552
00:35:12,016 --> 00:35:15,116
(RAIN PATTERING)
553
00:35:15,185 --> 00:35:17,756
(THUNDER RUMBLING)
554
00:35:22,126 --> 00:35:24,326
DONNIE: So, from the time--
from the prison,
555
00:35:24,395 --> 00:35:27,429
how many contacts
have you had since then?
556
00:35:27,498 --> 00:35:29,999
-He left me one voicemail.
-Oh, just a voicemail?
557
00:35:30,068 --> 00:35:31,432
-STEPHEN: That was it.
-What did he say?
558
00:35:31,501 --> 00:35:34,770
You know, he accused me
of playing God, I guess,
559
00:35:34,839 --> 00:35:36,972
with this thing with my mother.
560
00:35:37,041 --> 00:35:38,741
Is he married now?
561
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:40,512
He is. Wife number three.
562
00:35:41,712 --> 00:35:44,446
DONNIE: How do you feel
about giving him a call again?
563
00:35:44,515 --> 00:35:46,851
Do you think
he'd ever tell you the truth?
564
00:35:48,052 --> 00:35:49,484
I'd like to think that he would.
565
00:35:49,553 --> 00:35:51,587
DONNIE: We don't have anything
to lose, do we?
566
00:35:51,656 --> 00:35:52,624
Nothing.
567
00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:57,525
Yeah, he can call me. Yeah.
568
00:35:57,594 --> 00:36:00,795
And if you have an issue,
let's get down and settle it.
569
00:36:00,864 --> 00:36:03,735
If you have something
to discuss, let's discuss it.
570
00:36:22,882 --> 00:36:25,224
(INHALES DEEPLY) Here it is.
571
00:36:27,457 --> 00:36:30,659
-I put this out for Jennifer.
-♪ (SOFT MUSIC FADES) ♪
572
00:36:30,728 --> 00:36:33,729
I just felt like,
after, you know,
573
00:36:33,798 --> 00:36:36,735
the court declared her
deceased, that...
574
00:36:38,168 --> 00:36:39,769
I had to do something.
575
00:36:39,838 --> 00:36:42,407
And when we put this out,
we had a little,
576
00:36:43,842 --> 00:36:46,745
you know,
ceremony I guess with, uh...
577
00:36:48,812 --> 00:36:53,252
one of the local ministers
from town came out here. But...
578
00:36:54,285 --> 00:36:56,655
(INHALES) Uh...
579
00:36:59,256 --> 00:37:00,759
This is what we did for her.
580
00:37:01,592 --> 00:37:04,329
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
581
00:37:11,470 --> 00:37:14,234
(BREATHES DEEPLY)
582
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:16,641
It's all dirty.
583
00:37:19,911 --> 00:37:20,776
It's just one of those things
584
00:37:20,845 --> 00:37:22,915
that reminds you
that this is a reality,
585
00:37:24,382 --> 00:37:26,485
and it's hard to get used to.
586
00:37:27,819 --> 00:37:28,787
(SIGHS)
587
00:37:45,803 --> 00:37:47,973
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
588
00:37:54,578 --> 00:37:56,982
RON: I got an email
from Stephen this morning.
589
00:37:58,648 --> 00:38:02,384
"Hi, Dad. A lot has happened
that you don't know about.
590
00:38:02,453 --> 00:38:06,889
In 2014, I petitioned
the court in Virginia to have
591
00:38:06,958 --> 00:38:11,330
Jennifer declared deceased,
which they did.
592
00:38:12,463 --> 00:38:14,934
I also subpoenaed
the police department
593
00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:17,465
for Jennifer's case file.
594
00:38:17,534 --> 00:38:19,671
That is what I want to discuss."
595
00:38:21,705 --> 00:38:24,740
So that kind of irritated me
a little bit.
596
00:38:24,809 --> 00:38:28,176
Actually, a lot,
to be honest with you.
597
00:38:28,245 --> 00:38:30,082
I understand it's his sister...
598
00:38:31,516 --> 00:38:33,114
but it's their daughter,
599
00:38:33,183 --> 00:38:36,719
And what gives him the right
to tell everybody she's dead
600
00:38:36,788 --> 00:38:38,757
if they don't know that
for a fact?
601
00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:41,860
Unless he knows something
we don't know.
602
00:38:44,628 --> 00:38:46,561
Which is a good--
Which is a question.
603
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:48,196
Somebody's not being
straight up,
604
00:38:48,265 --> 00:38:50,535
let me put it that way. Hmm.
605
00:38:51,401 --> 00:38:53,336
And I really think
the last thing...
606
00:38:53,405 --> 00:38:54,569
(CLEARS THROAT)
607
00:38:54,638 --> 00:38:57,376
...somebody wants to do
is not be straight up.
608
00:38:58,604 --> 00:38:59,941
Hmm.
609
00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:02,845
Because God forbid
if that becomes the case.
610
00:39:02,914 --> 00:39:07,086
-(INHALES) Hmm.
-(CELLPHONE LINE RINGING)
611
00:39:10,487 --> 00:39:12,221
DONNIE: (OVER PHONE)
Hey, Stephen. How you doing?
612
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:14,023
I'm doing great, Donnie.
How are you?
613
00:39:14,092 --> 00:39:15,357
DONNIE: All right. What's up?
614
00:39:15,426 --> 00:39:18,998
I'm hoping to have
a conversation with my father...
615
00:39:21,032 --> 00:39:22,258
here shortly.
616
00:39:22,327 --> 00:39:24,633
I want to hear, you know,
what he has to say
617
00:39:24,702 --> 00:39:27,136
about some of the accusations
618
00:39:27,205 --> 00:39:29,237
in this analysis
of these notes.
619
00:39:29,306 --> 00:39:30,873
-DONNIE: Then ask him.
-Yeah, well--
620
00:39:30,942 --> 00:39:33,236
DONNIE:
But let me tell you, though,
621
00:39:33,305 --> 00:39:36,078
sometimes you gotta
eat a little crow.
622
00:39:36,147 --> 00:39:38,447
I don't know if you love him,
but I would say,
623
00:39:38,516 --> 00:39:43,018
"Dad, we don't have much family
but you are my father.
624
00:39:43,087 --> 00:39:45,954
So if you know something,
you know, please tell me.
625
00:39:46,023 --> 00:39:46,855
I just want to know
626
00:39:46,924 --> 00:39:48,924
what happened
to my little sister."
627
00:39:48,993 --> 00:39:52,027
But I mean,
our time on Earth is limited.
628
00:39:52,096 --> 00:39:53,896
He's not getting any younger
629
00:39:53,965 --> 00:39:57,199
and you want to find out
what happened, right?
630
00:39:57,268 --> 00:39:58,266
Absolutely.
631
00:39:58,335 --> 00:40:02,271
DONNIE: Because every time
he gets in a dialogue,
632
00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:04,872
he says stuff
like the crazy comments
633
00:40:04,941 --> 00:40:09,377
about, "Get me in an airplane
and I'll show you where she is."
634
00:40:09,446 --> 00:40:12,248
You know,
what do you have to lose?
635
00:40:12,317 --> 00:40:13,114
Not a lot.
636
00:40:13,183 --> 00:40:14,617
-DONNIE: All right, man.
-Thanks, Donnie.
637
00:40:14,686 --> 00:40:15,883
-DONNIE: See you later.
-Okay.
638
00:40:15,952 --> 00:40:17,622
-DONNIE: Take care. Goodbye.
-All right, bye-bye.
639
00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:20,792
(PAPER RUSTLING)
640
00:40:22,927 --> 00:40:24,029
(EXHALES DEEPLY)
641
00:40:36,841 --> 00:40:37,809
Okay.
642
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:45,717
(CELLPHONE LINE RINGING)
643
00:40:49,386 --> 00:40:51,656
Can we take a break
for a minute?
644
00:40:52,457 --> 00:40:53,625
Hello.
645
00:40:53,991 --> 00:40:54,957
Hey, Dad.
646
00:40:55,026 --> 00:40:58,427
RON: Hey, uh, help me out here.
What's going on?
647
00:40:58,496 --> 00:40:59,928
Who gave you the authority
648
00:40:59,997 --> 00:41:02,134
to go and have her
declared deceased?
649
00:41:03,668 --> 00:41:05,835
I-- I, you know,
I'm her brother.
650
00:41:05,904 --> 00:41:08,570
I-- I can do that.
Take it up at the court.
651
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,406
That's what I did.
And at the same time,
652
00:41:11,475 --> 00:41:14,743
I subpoenaed
the police department
653
00:41:14,812 --> 00:41:17,780
for Jennifer's case file.
When they picked the case
654
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:20,148
back up in the early 2000s,
655
00:41:20,217 --> 00:41:24,319
they had to rebuild a case file
and that's what they gave me.
656
00:41:24,388 --> 00:41:26,082
Ask him
if he can send you a copy--
657
00:41:26,151 --> 00:41:27,592
Can you send me a copy of it?
658
00:41:29,027 --> 00:41:29,925
Yeah.
659
00:41:29,994 --> 00:41:32,695
So, I'm gonna email you
a couple things
660
00:41:32,764 --> 00:41:34,063
and then we can go through
661
00:41:34,132 --> 00:41:35,901
while you're sitting there
on the phone.
662
00:41:36,929 --> 00:41:38,367
I just sent it.
663
00:41:38,436 --> 00:41:41,436
Print those things
and then call me back.
664
00:41:41,505 --> 00:41:43,038
-JAY HALFORD-PANDOS: Okay.
-Okay, great.
665
00:41:43,107 --> 00:41:44,910
-Thanks. Bye-bye.
-JAY: All right, bye.
666
00:41:46,778 --> 00:41:49,144
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
667
00:41:49,213 --> 00:41:51,016
His wife Jay has no idea.
668
00:41:53,451 --> 00:41:54,619
She doesn't know...
669
00:41:56,621 --> 00:41:57,789
any of this.
670
00:41:59,824 --> 00:42:01,522
You can look at the other.
671
00:42:01,591 --> 00:42:03,792
We're supposed to read it
and call him back.
672
00:42:03,861 --> 00:42:05,995
"The inclusion
of personal information
673
00:42:06,064 --> 00:42:07,929
in the letter
suggests the writer
674
00:42:07,998 --> 00:42:11,400
had an extremely
close relationship to Jennifer."
675
00:42:11,469 --> 00:42:13,669
STEPHEN: So,
I just sent my father
676
00:42:13,738 --> 00:42:16,638
an analysis of the note
677
00:42:16,707 --> 00:42:18,911
that was left
when Jennifer disappeared.
678
00:42:19,978 --> 00:42:21,777
JAY:
"If your note was fabricated
679
00:42:21,846 --> 00:42:23,912
to misdirect the investigation
680
00:42:23,981 --> 00:42:26,414
and it contains
personal information,
681
00:42:26,483 --> 00:42:28,017
your most plausible offender
682
00:42:28,086 --> 00:42:30,289
would be one
or both of the parents."
683
00:42:33,091 --> 00:42:34,159
(SIGHS)
684
00:42:35,193 --> 00:42:36,258
What?
685
00:42:36,327 --> 00:42:38,694
I just don't comprehend.
686
00:42:38,763 --> 00:42:40,933
Well, some things
don't make sense.
687
00:42:43,967 --> 00:42:46,935
STEPHEN: The stuff in here,
I think it's pretty chilling.
688
00:42:47,004 --> 00:42:50,671
If he's not real medicated
right now,
689
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:52,007
he's reading this
and just getting
690
00:42:52,076 --> 00:42:54,980
angrier and angrier
with every sentence.
691
00:42:56,447 --> 00:42:58,046
RON: I can partially understand
692
00:42:58,115 --> 00:43:01,316
where he's coming from.
Not totally, partially.
693
00:43:01,385 --> 00:43:02,651
-JAY: But how do you--
-Hmm.
694
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,619
JAY: What do you think
happened to Jennifer that night?
695
00:43:04,688 --> 00:43:08,184
RON: I really think somebody
came in to get Jennifer.
696
00:43:08,253 --> 00:43:10,391
And whether they lived in there,
697
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:12,561
-or whether they--
-JAY: But why?
698
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:14,830
I don't know. If I knew why,
699
00:43:14,899 --> 00:43:16,335
-I'd be a happy camper.
-JAY: I know.
700
00:43:19,503 --> 00:43:21,504
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC
CONCLUDES) ♪
701
00:43:21,573 --> 00:43:25,144
(CELLPHONE RINGING)
702
00:43:26,678 --> 00:43:28,110
STEPHEN: Hello.
703
00:43:28,179 --> 00:43:30,313
JAY: Hello, Stephen,
it's me again.
704
00:43:30,382 --> 00:43:31,479
Hi.
705
00:43:31,548 --> 00:43:35,651
I still don't see anything
that Margie or Ron, either one,
706
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,953
did anything to Jennifer.
707
00:43:38,022 --> 00:43:41,123
You know, Jay,
when you read these documents
708
00:43:41,192 --> 00:43:45,060
and you take into account
all of the other things.
709
00:43:45,129 --> 00:43:47,529
The four different teams
of cadaver dogs
710
00:43:47,598 --> 00:43:52,034
that all had positive hits
underneath my parents’ house,
711
00:43:52,103 --> 00:43:55,337
that my father
did not tell his family
712
00:43:55,406 --> 00:44:00,609
that Jennifer disappeared
for at least seven years
713
00:44:00,678 --> 00:44:03,978
-after the fact. That--
-Stephen, he went up
714
00:44:04,047 --> 00:44:07,450
and told your grandmother
about a week after it happened.
715
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:08,584
That's not true.
716
00:44:08,653 --> 00:44:10,152
-Yeah, it is.
-Yeah, it is.
717
00:44:10,221 --> 00:44:12,121
It is-- It is not true.
It is not--
718
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:13,756
JAY: Well, that's--
according to--
719
00:44:13,825 --> 00:44:15,323
according to his aunt...
720
00:44:15,392 --> 00:44:16,724
STEPHEN: I've talked to them.
721
00:44:16,793 --> 00:44:20,763
They did not know
for seven years, at least.
722
00:44:20,832 --> 00:44:22,765
I've talked to Sharon Rose,
723
00:44:22,834 --> 00:44:24,899
who was on the phone
with Jennifer
724
00:44:24,968 --> 00:44:28,904
when you guys got into a fight
the night that she disappeared.
725
00:44:28,973 --> 00:44:31,607
Both my parents
have failed polygraphs.
726
00:44:31,676 --> 00:44:32,875
You know, why did you guys
727
00:44:32,944 --> 00:44:34,977
wait three days
to call the police?
728
00:44:35,046 --> 00:44:37,212
Because that's what
the note said to do.
729
00:44:37,281 --> 00:44:39,348
They really believed
what the note read.
730
00:44:39,417 --> 00:44:41,283
-STEPHEN: Okay. All right.
-JAY: They didn't know. It said
731
00:44:41,352 --> 00:44:43,084
-not to contact the police.
-STEPHEN: So here it is.
732
00:44:43,153 --> 00:44:44,787
So you believed
and you wanted to follow
733
00:44:44,856 --> 00:44:46,221
all the terms of the note.
734
00:44:46,290 --> 00:44:50,024
The note also said to put money
into Jennifer's bank account,
735
00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:53,328
-but you guys never did that.
-That's right. We never did.
736
00:44:53,397 --> 00:44:54,764
Right. So how do you follow
737
00:44:54,833 --> 00:44:56,865
some terms of the note,
but not all?
738
00:44:56,934 --> 00:44:59,735
I don't think they canceled
the doctor's appointment either.
739
00:44:59,804 --> 00:45:00,936
Okay, you're deflecting.
740
00:45:01,005 --> 00:45:02,838
-You know, the--
-RON: No, we're not.
741
00:45:02,907 --> 00:45:05,040
No, we're not.
We're not deflecting at all.
742
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:07,142
-It's ridiculous.
-RON: No, it's not.
743
00:45:07,211 --> 00:45:08,811
You need
to get your head on straight.
744
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,512
My head
is pretty much on straight.
745
00:45:10,581 --> 00:45:12,147
-You know--
-No, I don't.
746
00:45:12,216 --> 00:45:13,582
STEPHEN:
You don't have good answers.
747
00:45:13,651 --> 00:45:14,850
Well, the fact that they could
748
00:45:14,919 --> 00:45:16,885
get rid of the body
is ludicrous.
749
00:45:16,954 --> 00:45:18,821
I mean, where--
where did they put it?
750
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:20,222
I don't know.
Why don't you ask my dad?
751
00:45:20,291 --> 00:45:22,992
He drew a partial map
when he failed his polygraph.
752
00:45:23,061 --> 00:45:24,993
-A map to what?
-RON: A map to what?
753
00:45:25,062 --> 00:45:28,631
To where Jennifer's body is,
behind the mill pond.
754
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:30,198
No, you better back up there
755
00:45:30,267 --> 00:45:34,469
because what they asked me to do
was they asked me to draw
756
00:45:34,538 --> 00:45:37,906
the back of the property.
And then they asked me
757
00:45:37,975 --> 00:45:40,643
what was on the other side
of the pond
758
00:45:40,712 --> 00:45:43,212
and my answer was woods.
759
00:45:43,281 --> 00:45:45,114
Okay, well,
I'm just-- I'm just--
760
00:45:45,183 --> 00:45:47,249
I'm telling you
what I've been told.
761
00:45:47,318 --> 00:45:49,885
And the police have
no reason to lie to me.
762
00:45:49,954 --> 00:45:51,252
Are you sure about that?
763
00:45:51,321 --> 00:45:52,888
STEPHEN: Yeah,
I'm sure about that.
764
00:45:52,957 --> 00:45:54,757
When I confronted
my father about this
765
00:45:54,826 --> 00:45:56,759
when he was in prison
in Oklahoma,
766
00:45:56,828 --> 00:45:58,493
what did you tell me, Dad?
767
00:45:58,562 --> 00:46:00,896
You said hypothetically what?
768
00:46:00,965 --> 00:46:04,399
Oh, I said, hypothetically,
do you want me to...
769
00:46:04,468 --> 00:46:07,306
state that your mother did it,
or something like that?
770
00:46:07,739 --> 00:46:08,804
STEPHEN: No.
771
00:46:08,873 --> 00:46:10,205
You said hypothetically
772
00:46:10,274 --> 00:46:12,873
you hit Jennifer
and she fell and hit her head.
773
00:46:12,942 --> 00:46:15,243
And then you said,
"You want me to take the fall
774
00:46:15,312 --> 00:46:17,780
for this for your mother?
I'll take the fall."
775
00:46:17,849 --> 00:46:19,681
Which is your way of saying
you did it.
776
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:22,212
-(SIGHS)
-Outside of Jennifer
777
00:46:22,281 --> 00:46:23,488
walking in the door,
778
00:46:24,421 --> 00:46:27,189
is there anything else
gonna convince you
779
00:46:27,258 --> 00:46:30,095
that your father had nothing
to do with this?
780
00:46:31,729 --> 00:46:32,898
Doubtful.
781
00:46:35,031 --> 00:46:38,233
JAY: Did you guys have
any type of relationship at all?
782
00:46:38,302 --> 00:46:41,403
STEPHEN: No. My father
was not safe to be around.
783
00:46:41,472 --> 00:46:42,270
(CHUCKLES SOFTLY)
784
00:46:42,339 --> 00:46:44,639
STEPHEN: He was--
had a temper.
785
00:46:44,708 --> 00:46:46,976
He was unpredictable
and violent
786
00:46:47,045 --> 00:46:49,311
and abusive to me
and to my sister.
787
00:46:49,380 --> 00:46:52,284
And emotionally abusive
to my mother. So no.
788
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,420
-That's interesting.
-Yeah, that is.
789
00:46:58,489 --> 00:47:00,355
JAY: Has he ever hit you?
790
00:47:00,424 --> 00:47:02,891
-STEPHEN: Absolutely. (CHUCKLES)
-Yeah.
791
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,260
JAY: I'm not talking
about a spanking.
792
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:07,729
Oh, no. I'm talking about--
I've been choked, punched,
793
00:47:07,798 --> 00:47:12,137
kicked, hit with a golf club.
You name it, it's happened.
794
00:47:12,737 --> 00:47:14,202
Okay. Hmm.
795
00:47:14,271 --> 00:47:16,405
JAY: This exactly is why I said
796
00:47:16,474 --> 00:47:19,975
you need to talk to your dad
and to your mom,
797
00:47:20,044 --> 00:47:22,978
and I feel really sorry
for your mom right now.
798
00:47:23,047 --> 00:47:24,479
-I feel so sorry.
-STEPHEN: Well, you know what?
799
00:47:24,548 --> 00:47:28,817
I'm sorry for her too.
And I'm-- And I'm angry that,
800
00:47:28,886 --> 00:47:32,120
you know, for her in that,
you know, my father
801
00:47:32,189 --> 00:47:35,691
has robbed her
of any kind of life over this.
802
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,226
That was your choice, Stephen.
803
00:47:37,295 --> 00:47:39,194
Now, Stephen,
you gotta own up to that.
804
00:47:39,263 --> 00:47:41,997
Ron had nothing to do
with your decision making.
805
00:47:42,066 --> 00:47:44,203
RON: And when was the last time
you talked to her?
806
00:47:45,437 --> 00:47:46,605
Mm...
807
00:47:49,006 --> 00:47:50,139
I don't know.
808
00:47:50,208 --> 00:47:51,740
It's been a little while.
809
00:47:51,809 --> 00:47:54,980
Yeah.
So you really think I did it?
810
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,112
STEPHEN: Yes.
811
00:47:57,181 --> 00:47:58,948
-Okay. Hmm.
-JAY: All right.
812
00:47:59,017 --> 00:48:00,883
Well, listen.
You have a nice day.
813
00:48:00,952 --> 00:48:02,387
-Sure. Bye-bye-bye.
-Bye.
814
00:48:06,224 --> 00:48:09,394
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
815
00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:17,469
That was surreal.
816
00:48:21,939 --> 00:48:23,172
And I just was--
817
00:48:23,241 --> 00:48:24,907
I feel like
I'm surrounded by crazy.
818
00:48:24,976 --> 00:48:26,475
I don't--
819
00:48:26,544 --> 00:48:28,778
But, you know,
conversations like this
820
00:48:28,847 --> 00:48:30,615
are just maddening.
821
00:48:31,516 --> 00:48:32,584
You know?
822
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,053
To me, I don't know
how anybody can read this
823
00:48:38,122 --> 00:48:42,324
and honestly say
that it's not conclusive.
824
00:48:42,393 --> 00:48:45,861
INTERVIEWER: Sharon did say
that she heard you on the phone.
825
00:48:45,930 --> 00:48:48,329
And the way she describes it,
826
00:48:48,398 --> 00:48:51,032
you got heated with Jennifer
about getting off the phone.
827
00:48:51,101 --> 00:48:52,234
(COUGHS) Could be.
828
00:48:52,303 --> 00:48:53,769
If it was past her bedtime,
829
00:48:53,838 --> 00:48:55,307
I would have said,
"Get off the phone."
830
00:48:56,473 --> 00:48:58,574
I could see me doing that
in a heartbeat.
831
00:48:58,643 --> 00:49:00,142
JAY: I can see you being strict.
832
00:49:00,211 --> 00:49:03,378
I can fully see that,
a 100 percent.
833
00:49:03,447 --> 00:49:09,051
But I can't see you
being physical-abusive, I can't.
834
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,285
-Hmm. Nah.
-Do you think
835
00:49:10,354 --> 00:49:12,157
-Marge was afraid of you?
-No.
836
00:49:14,324 --> 00:49:16,561
I don't, you know...
As far as I know, no.
837
00:49:17,629 --> 00:49:18,730
It's crazy.
838
00:49:20,631 --> 00:49:23,135
I-- Am I nuts? You know?
839
00:49:25,136 --> 00:49:26,671
After all this.
840
00:49:27,572 --> 00:49:28,969
You know, I feel that way.
841
00:49:31,942 --> 00:49:35,114
I just-- I don't know what else
I can do right this second.
842
00:49:37,715 --> 00:49:40,483
(INHALES) I feel like
I've tried everything
843
00:49:40,552 --> 00:49:41,620
over the years.
844
00:49:48,259 --> 00:49:50,392
MARGIE: I don't know if we'll
ever have a relationship.
845
00:49:50,461 --> 00:49:53,062
I don't know if he will
ever be able
846
00:49:53,131 --> 00:49:56,932
to put that aside
and know that I'm here.
847
00:49:57,001 --> 00:49:58,033
I'm here for him,
848
00:49:58,102 --> 00:50:00,705
I feel his pain,
I have pain myself.
849
00:50:01,905 --> 00:50:06,875
INTERVIEWER: I think the
assumption by Stephen is that
850
00:50:06,944 --> 00:50:09,011
the note was in the case file,
851
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,314
so you having it
makes it suspicious.
852
00:50:12,383 --> 00:50:14,983
MARGIE:
As for the missing case file,
853
00:50:15,052 --> 00:50:19,120
I cannot say with total recall
854
00:50:19,189 --> 00:50:21,691
that I saw that--
that Ron had it,
855
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,562
but something...
856
00:50:24,695 --> 00:50:28,563
out there wants me to say
that yes, he did.
857
00:50:28,632 --> 00:50:31,900
Some inkling
back in the recesses of my mind
858
00:50:31,969 --> 00:50:34,073
that he had it.
859
00:50:34,839 --> 00:50:38,277
And how he got it, I don't know.
860
00:50:43,314 --> 00:50:46,814
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
861
00:50:46,883 --> 00:50:50,519
STEPHEN: So we're going to do
a cadaver dog search
862
00:50:50,588 --> 00:50:54,289
in Kingsville, where my father
drew this partial map.
863
00:50:54,358 --> 00:50:56,557
This would be the second one,
they've done one before.
864
00:50:56,626 --> 00:51:00,896
Wendi wants to do it again,
so we're gonna do it again,
865
00:51:00,965 --> 00:51:03,198
and hopefully
they find something.
866
00:51:03,267 --> 00:51:05,470
(INDICATOR CLICKING)
867
00:51:07,438 --> 00:51:08,903
-Good to see you.
-STEPHEN: Good to see you.
868
00:51:08,972 --> 00:51:11,073
-WENDI: How are you? Good.
-STEPHEN: I'm good. How are you?
869
00:51:11,142 --> 00:51:12,741
OFFICER 1: So tell me
what this area looked like
870
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:13,608
back in '87.
871
00:51:13,677 --> 00:51:15,077
-Probably much--
-Were these houses here?
872
00:51:15,146 --> 00:51:16,477
-Yeah. Everything was here.
-OFFICER 1: Okay.
873
00:51:16,546 --> 00:51:18,681
OFFICER 2: Do we have
some reason to believe
874
00:51:18,750 --> 00:51:20,148
that an altercation occurred
875
00:51:20,217 --> 00:51:21,283
-in these areas...
-DONNIE: No.
876
00:51:21,352 --> 00:51:22,884
...or is that
just a supposition?
877
00:51:22,953 --> 00:51:25,754
DONNIE:
I'm thinking for a body--
878
00:51:25,823 --> 00:51:28,389
hiding a body, body disposal.
879
00:51:28,458 --> 00:51:30,562
-Well, I think we have a plan.
-(CELLPHONE RINGING)
880
00:51:31,029 --> 00:51:33,929
WENDI:
881
00:51:33,998 --> 00:51:35,196
If you can give him a call,
882
00:51:35,265 --> 00:51:36,998
he wanted to talk to you
while you're up here.
883
00:51:37,067 --> 00:51:38,100
Sure.
884
00:51:38,169 --> 00:51:40,703
(CAR ENGINE REVVING)
885
00:51:40,772 --> 00:51:41,773
STEPHEN: Good luck.
886
00:51:43,074 --> 00:51:44,973
Yeah, okay.
887
00:51:45,042 --> 00:51:46,675
I'll see you back
at the hotel later.
888
00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:47,810
Yeah.
889
00:51:47,879 --> 00:51:49,148
DONNIE: All right.
890
00:51:50,982 --> 00:51:54,253
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
891
00:52:03,756 --> 00:52:04,796
OFFICER 1: Are you ready?
892
00:52:06,465 --> 00:52:07,432
Search!
893
00:52:11,202 --> 00:52:14,573
(BIRDS CHIRPING)
894
00:52:18,843 --> 00:52:20,876
(CELLPHONE LINE RINGING)
895
00:52:20,945 --> 00:52:22,244
JAKE RICE:
896
00:52:22,313 --> 00:52:24,012
Hey, Jake. Stephen.
897
00:52:24,081 --> 00:52:25,781
-JAKE:
-Hey, how you doing?
898
00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:28,984
JAKE:
899
00:52:29,053 --> 00:52:30,119
Yeah, yeah.
900
00:52:30,188 --> 00:52:32,521
JAKE:
901
00:52:32,590 --> 00:52:36,156
Yeah, yeah. That's fine.
We can do it now if you want to.
902
00:52:37,996 --> 00:52:39,762
INTERVIEWER:
Tell us who Jake is.
903
00:52:39,831 --> 00:52:41,229
STEPHEN: So, Jake Rice,
904
00:52:41,298 --> 00:52:44,099
he's the guy in charge
of the investigation.
905
00:52:44,168 --> 00:52:46,371
We're gonna go
see what he has to say.
906
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:49,208
(CAR DOOR CLOSING)
907
00:52:57,814 --> 00:53:00,319
-STEPHEN: You all right?
-JAKE: I'm doing. I'm doing.
908
00:53:27,945 --> 00:53:28,914
INTERVIEWER: What?
909
00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:35,420
They found the case file
buried in the bottom of the...
910
00:53:36,987 --> 00:53:39,822
(CLICKS TONGUE) ...you know,
property evidence room in a--
911
00:53:39,891 --> 00:53:41,156
the-- in a box somewhere.
912
00:53:41,225 --> 00:53:43,595
They found
the original case file.
913
00:54:01,713 --> 00:54:03,315
|Don't you guys wanna hear this?
914
00:54:04,782 --> 00:54:08,921
-JAKE: (OVER RECORDING)
-STEPHEN: Oh.
915
00:54:09,588 --> 00:54:12,288
JAKE:
916
00:54:12,357 --> 00:54:13,655
STEPHEN: Okay.
917
00:54:13,724 --> 00:54:15,190
JAKE:
918
00:54:15,259 --> 00:54:16,525
STEPHEN: Okay.
919
00:54:16,594 --> 00:54:19,965
JAKE:
920
00:54:35,713 --> 00:54:36,745
STEPHEN: Yeah.
921
00:54:36,814 --> 00:54:38,546
JAKE:
922
00:54:38,615 --> 00:54:44,887
-STEPHEN: Right. Yeah.
-JAKE:
923
00:54:44,956 --> 00:54:46,054
STEPHEN: Okay.
924
00:54:46,123 --> 00:54:48,958
JAKE:
925
00:54:49,027 --> 00:54:50,091
STEPHEN: All right.
926
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:56,431
JAKE:
927
00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,668
-STEPHEN: Uh-huh.
-JAKE:
928
00:54:58,737 --> 00:55:00,772
-STEPHEN: All right.
-JAKE:
929
00:55:10,381 --> 00:55:11,547
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)
930
00:55:11,616 --> 00:55:13,518
STEPHEN: Yeah, come on in.
931
00:55:14,551 --> 00:55:17,319
♪ (SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC
CONCLUDES) ♪
932
00:55:17,388 --> 00:55:18,486
So, how did it go?
933
00:55:18,555 --> 00:55:20,055
WENDI: Uh, they ran
the three dogs...
934
00:55:20,124 --> 00:55:21,422
-Uh-huh.
-...and they showed
935
00:55:21,491 --> 00:55:22,957
-some interest in the area...
-STEPHEN: Yeah.
936
00:55:23,026 --> 00:55:27,196
...but they didn't indicate
that there was anything there.
937
00:55:27,265 --> 00:55:30,732
If the theory is that
something happened
938
00:55:30,801 --> 00:55:34,102
and your sister
was removed from the house,
939
00:55:34,171 --> 00:55:36,872
then it looks more like,
you know,
940
00:55:36,941 --> 00:55:38,944
they probably would have
left in a car.
941
00:55:40,978 --> 00:55:42,510
All right.
942
00:55:42,579 --> 00:55:45,748
Which that opens up the door
for anywhere...
943
00:55:45,817 --> 00:55:47,550
-STEPHEN: Right.
-DONNIE: ...you know.
944
00:55:47,619 --> 00:55:50,718
So, I went and saw Jake, um,
945
00:55:50,787 --> 00:55:52,724
and he told me
that they found the case file.
946
00:55:53,958 --> 00:55:56,058
He said that there was
some new stuff in it
947
00:55:56,127 --> 00:55:57,927
but didn't really elaborate.
948
00:55:57,996 --> 00:55:59,862
It's hard
to get your head around, right?
949
00:55:59,931 --> 00:56:00,763
-Right.
-You know--
950
00:56:00,832 --> 00:56:02,665
It's a lot to process
in one day.
951
00:56:02,734 --> 00:56:04,961
Right. In a couple of hours.
952
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:06,366
-Right.
-(STEPHEN CHUCKLES)
953
00:56:09,441 --> 00:56:10,943
(SIGHS) Right.
954
00:56:11,776 --> 00:56:14,779
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
955
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:21,883
JAKE: The original case file
was located.
956
00:56:21,952 --> 00:56:24,919
It was located
inside of our records division.
957
00:56:24,988 --> 00:56:28,856
INTERVIEWER: So what changed
for you then when that happened?
958
00:56:28,925 --> 00:56:31,359
Well, what changed is that
there was information in there
959
00:56:31,428 --> 00:56:32,664
that we had never had.
960
00:56:33,664 --> 00:56:35,397
Different names
that were in there.
961
00:56:35,466 --> 00:56:37,432
It gave us a
little bit more perspective
962
00:56:37,501 --> 00:56:40,368
on exactly what the parents
were telling us.
963
00:56:40,437 --> 00:56:41,937
By looking in that case file,
964
00:56:42,006 --> 00:56:44,439
you can tell
that the mother and father
965
00:56:44,508 --> 00:56:48,143
were very active in the case
when she went missing.
966
00:56:48,212 --> 00:56:50,545
They were out handing out flyers
967
00:56:50,614 --> 00:56:53,052
and constantly in contact
with the police department.
968
00:56:54,285 --> 00:56:55,383
INTERVIEWER: Now, the parents,
969
00:56:55,452 --> 00:56:58,386
are they still
high on your list of suspects?
970
00:56:58,455 --> 00:56:59,922
JAKE: They were in the house
with her.
971
00:56:59,991 --> 00:57:02,123
They were the last ones
to see her.
972
00:57:02,192 --> 00:57:04,960
So, Ron and Margie are suspects
973
00:57:05,029 --> 00:57:08,597
as long as
we don't have information
974
00:57:08,666 --> 00:57:11,470
or evidence
that exonerates them.
975
00:57:15,674 --> 00:57:16,905
STEPHEN: I mean, does the fact
976
00:57:16,974 --> 00:57:18,574
that they have now found
the case file,
977
00:57:18,643 --> 00:57:20,275
does it change anything?
978
00:57:20,344 --> 00:57:22,744
It gives
the current investigator
979
00:57:22,813 --> 00:57:25,480
things to follow up on I'm sure.
980
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:26,649
-Right.
-WENDI: It's just new
981
00:57:26,718 --> 00:57:28,617
information to check on.
982
00:57:28,686 --> 00:57:30,585
It just seems like...
983
00:57:30,654 --> 00:57:32,888
everything my parents did
was opposite...
984
00:57:32,957 --> 00:57:33,822
Right.
985
00:57:33,891 --> 00:57:35,391
STEPHEN:
...of what everybody else does.
986
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:38,093
Yeah. And with the note,
987
00:57:38,162 --> 00:57:41,329
you know, no logical person
is gonna do something to a kid
988
00:57:41,398 --> 00:57:43,465
and then break back
into the house...
989
00:57:43,534 --> 00:57:45,033
-STEPHEN: Right.
-...to leave a note
990
00:57:45,102 --> 00:57:46,605
and risk getting caught.
991
00:57:47,471 --> 00:57:49,271
All right.
Well, what's next, Donnie?
992
00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:53,976
I've always wanted to do
the interview with your mother.
993
00:57:54,045 --> 00:57:55,477
STEPHEN: Yeah, for sure.
994
00:57:55,546 --> 00:57:57,682
DONNIE: It's gonna be
a tough interview.
995
00:57:58,716 --> 00:58:00,783
I think she knows more.
996
00:58:00,852 --> 00:58:03,953
I don't know
that she knows all the details.
997
00:58:04,022 --> 00:58:08,323
I think if my father
could have kept,
998
00:58:08,392 --> 00:58:10,258
you know, details to himself,
999
00:58:10,327 --> 00:58:11,827
that he would have done it,
1000
00:58:11,896 --> 00:58:13,563
but I don't think
there's any doubt
1001
00:58:13,632 --> 00:58:14,833
that she knows more.
1002
00:58:17,969 --> 00:58:19,905
INTERVIEWER:
1003
00:58:20,171 --> 00:58:21,369
Yes.
1004
00:58:21,438 --> 00:58:24,673
I believe
all cases are solvable.
1005
00:58:24,742 --> 00:58:26,775
Now, some take
a whole lot more time,
1006
00:58:26,844 --> 00:58:28,844
some of them take
just the extreme
1007
00:58:28,913 --> 00:58:32,380
little bit of luck,
and I believe
1008
00:58:32,449 --> 00:58:36,317
that we are going to come
to a conclusion on this case.
1009
00:58:36,386 --> 00:58:40,759
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1010
00:59:25,303 --> 00:59:31,143
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