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The Vandals were a tribe
of people who invaded Europe
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in the 4th and 5th Century
and for no apparent reason
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destroyed much of what
they found there.
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Sometimes it seems as if
the vandals live again
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and have invaded
the United States of America.
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♪ [MUSIC]
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[BREAKING GLASS]
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[SIRENS BLARE]
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ROCKY 184: I'm Rocky,
and I grew up here
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in Washington Heights,
188th, 546, Apartment 3.
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Washington Heights was
the birthplace of graffiti.
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I haven't thought about it,
my God, must be 30-odd years
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I have not thought
about graffiti
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and now like everybody
wants to know about it.
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Where did it start? Who did it?
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It was like,
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in a way, maybe it's the past
comes back to haunt you?
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I don'’t know.
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ROCKY 184: I was a tomboy.
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I think I put my first tag on
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the train going downtown
to school
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and I did it
'cause I could do it.
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You know.
If they could tag I could tag.
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SNAKE 1: It started out as fun.
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It was something to do
besides just sitting
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on the stoop, bored.
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MIKE 171: Washington Heights.
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This is where the movement
kinda started.
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This is the Mecca.
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Working-class people,
mostly cliques of kids, gangs,
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roaming around, having fun.
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Gotta be the cool kids
on the block,
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you know, go play hooky
the most, just see girls
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and try to get things going.
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We were young. It was fun.
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You could be on
the basketball team,
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you could be in a gang,
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or you could go out here
and write on the walls.
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THE JOKER: I can't say politics
were involved.
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We were too young
and self-absorbed.
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ROCKY 184: For me,
it was nothing political.
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I understand it was
the Vietnam War and all that.
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To me, it was expression.
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I thought I was ROCKY 184
and I'm doing it.
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We were not writing to make
any political point at all.
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We were just vandals.
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[PAINT CAN SPRAYING]
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NARRATOR: Graffiti is
the largest art movement
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in the world,
a global phenomenon
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that can be seen on the walls
of every major city.
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However, graffiti is no longer
relegated to the streets
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and has made its way
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into galleries and museums
around the world.
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It can also be found
on commercial products,
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from t-shirts to automobiles
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and many of
the world's biggest brands
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commission graffiti artists
to create special products
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or design marketing campaigns.
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There is even an industry
dedicated to the production
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of graffiti supplies
which generates
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millions of dollars each year.
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But there was a time
before graffiti,
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a time when marker tags
and spray-painted murals
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did not exist.
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There was a time when
the walls were bare,
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the tile was clean,
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and lampposts
were just lampposts.
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Well these are the--
My tools of the trade.
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What I first started out with
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but these are not
the original ones like these.
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These are from probably
1971, '72, I would say.
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And I don't have any
of my old pilots
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but these were
the pilots back then.
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It was only tags and magic
markers, that's it.
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This is one of the first brands
we started using, Red-Devil.
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And then they had
the wet look paint.
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And then this is
some cheap paint
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from a store like Home Depot,
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we used to get these also.
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NARRATOR: As graffiti crews
evolved so did their supplies.
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Most of the writers
were young and poor
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so they acquired their tools
by any means necessary.
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LA ZAR: Pearl Paint was
the Mecca where you could get
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the large markers, the ink,
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the pilots, the midi-wides,
the Niji wides,
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and, you know,
all sorts of colors.
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GREG 69: I had to buy it
and then if I could
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I'd sneak one in my pocket.
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The way we got the markers and
the spray paint
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wasn't the usual way.
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We actually went out
and stole that stuff.
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No, you steal a car,
you don't steal a marker.
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[CHUCKLE]
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Steal a marker?
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That's crazy.
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NARRATOR: In the early days,
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writers used whatever
they could get their hands on
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from shoe polish to markers
intended for industrial use.
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Now, they added spray paint
to their toolset.
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COCO 144:
A marker was a lot easier
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to go in a store and steal.
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Spray paint, now, that'll
put you in a different division.
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Long trench coats,
you put your hands in
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and you take your hands out.
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So you could take cans
of spray paint and fill them in.
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They write their name around
so they could be known.
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It don't make no kinda sense.
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They want to be known,
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they don't have to spray
their name around, you know?
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HOST: So they're really--
You think
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they're trying to be famous?
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-Yeah.
-HOST: Yeah, you think it works?
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Yeah, I think, yes.
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HOST: What about you?
You use spray paint cans?
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-Who, me?
-HOST: Well, anyone who does.
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Yeah, I use spray paint cans.
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CHILD: Or magic markers.
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-HOST: Magic markers?
-CHILD 2: Or shoe polish.
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-HOST: Or what?
-Or shoe polish.
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HOST: Now, you seem to know,
are you an expert?
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-Yeah.
-CHILDREN: Yeah.
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We were like the celebrities
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and if I hit a big clean wall,
30 names would follow.
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TAKI 183:
Names tended to be clustered.
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If you wrote underneath a wall
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the next guy wouldn't
write around the corner,
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he would probably write
right next to you.
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And they became bigger.
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They became more daring
and I was really amazed
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at some of the feats,
at some of these kids.
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The more dangerous
the situation was
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the more your name
would be recognized.
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COOL EARL:
It was a sign of the times.
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It was a sign of our youth,
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our lack of funds and possibly
the lack of paternal guidance.
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We didn't care about people,
what they would say to us.
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You know actually, some of us
wanted to be seen doing it.
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We were trying to get
reputation that, you know,
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oh my god, there's Henry161
writing his name again
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or Mike171. We were very, very
reckless in the way we did it.
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JOE 182: See, well,
my shit was hit and run.
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Hit and run.
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See, these fucking guys,
they are--
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they had all the time
in the world, go at night time,
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take their time
and shit, you know?
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A lot of the times
I was in the fucking subways,
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motherfucker be moving,
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I was hitting the motherfucker,
you know what I'm saying?
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And the girl,
she'll pull this shit out
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and start tagging in front
of everybody.
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COCO144:
But I felt that the women
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that were out there writing,
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whether it be Eva62, Barbara62,
Michelle62, Charmin65, SPat,
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Rocky184, you know,
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they had a lot more balls
than a lot of guys had.
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When I was doing it, I was the
only female that I knew about
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and as I faded out
Barbara62 was all over,
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our crime partner was Eva62.
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You couldn't see one name
without seeing the other.
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My first impression
of other writers
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and why they were writing it
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and it was getting more popular,
it was like people were angry.
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SJK 174: We wanted to be known.
That's why we wrote our names.
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Anybody writing anything
like "Marty was here 69"
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or "Joe was here 72," he wanted
to be known, he was there.
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But we did it in a different way
we wrote our street numbers.
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We didn't really realize that
we were developing a style
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that nobody's ever done before
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that would blossom
into more graffiti.
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Seeing numbers behind tags
started from the beginning.
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You see Taki183, I started
writing Snake1 88,
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it was just
as simple as possible
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where you could read it.
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I used to write, "Snake1,
King of all snakes."
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Because there were
too many snakes around
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and I couldn't take it.
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And one time I went
to Snake2 train station,
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145th Street on number one
and we were good friends,
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we went to junior
high school together.
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But I went to where he lived
and I wrote on his subway wall,
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"Snake1 king of all snakes,"
you dig? "You got that George?"
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His name is George.
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NARRATOR: There was a time
on the New York subways
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when without a newspaper,
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you could ponder
the advertisements.
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Well, you can still ponder them
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but you can hardly read them
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because of
the graffiti covering.
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It's even hard to read
the graffiti for the graffiti.
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Now you'd think that
with all this effort
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something passively important
or even beastly was being said,
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or something clever
as some of the old graffiti
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comments on life and the world.
No.
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Now it's mostly just an attempt
to identify oneself,
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with code names
and numbers. Coco4, K-55,
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Super Kool 223. Sonic 53.
Friz171.
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And much of it
in inglorious color.
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Legibility was important
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and the thing is you could
throw it up quick.
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Simple, just black letters,
that's it, J-O- E.
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JEC#*: I wrote JEC star
and those were just my initials,
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J-E-C.
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and the star was just
a squiggly I did at the end.
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BAMA: The whole idea if you had
a nice handwriting
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and they saw your name there,
there, there, there, there,
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that meant you were there.
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It was not all about being fancy
and that came later on.
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Just spread all over
the place like a fungus,
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bathroom stalls, buses,
inside subway cars.
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Everything was pristine one day
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then all of a sudden you see all
these names written.
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You're wondering,
who are these people?
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And the more I saw of it
the more intriguing it became.
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HENRY 161: Graffiti was
entertaining for me.
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When I used to see a clean wall
and I had a marker on me,
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that was like, "Oh, wow, man!"
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And I would go and start
writing my name.
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COCO 144: The dynamic of
writing your name
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of doing something
that's illegal,
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of having other people guess
"Who's this person?"
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is one of the many things
that attracted me.
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We noticed that everybody
was talking about
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Friendly Freddy,
Fantastic Eddie, Super Goldie,
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and me and my guys
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we wanted the girls
to gush over us as well.
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At the time I didn't really
think that it was illegal,
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I thought that
it was just fantastic.
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I felt, "These people must
be just somebody special."
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We were like movie stars
to some of these people.
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I would see other people
tag there and go, "Oh, my god,
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if my name was up there
with their names, man
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that would be a great wall."
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JON NAAR: They called themselves
"Writers."
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I do not recall any of them
calling themselves artists.
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FEMALE REPORTER:
And who are the culprits?
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Not surprisingly,
they're kids, mostly male,
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mostly around 15-years-old,
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mostly poor,
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and mostly what psychologists
would call "neglected".
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The words are rarely
obscene or racial.
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Mostly it's just
"Mike this" or "Coco that"
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and the numbers are usually
the streets on which they live.
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The first graffiti names,
Taki183,
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Phil T Greek, Joe182nd,
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Babyface86,
Stitch1, but Julio204....
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NARRATOR: The writer in New York
who was thought
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to have started it all
was a teenager named Julio204.
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Most writers count him
as their first influence
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but few actually knew him.
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PHIL: The first graffiti
I remember seeing
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was a personal mark,
the bottom of a lamppost,
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his name was Julio, Julio204.
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Julio204, yeah, he definitely
hit those lampposts first
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Julio came out of the blue.
We started seeing about 1967,
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it was nothing in big size,
it was just noticeable because
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there was nothing
else up on the walls
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and nobody really knew
what it was.
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We thought something
was going happen
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on July 20th at four o'clock.
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Then we realized there's
a guy going around
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writing his name
and his street number.
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JAG: Julio was like
a little Colombian guy
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and he says, "Yeah,
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I can put Julio
on that but it's no big deal
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so I'm gonna make mine
more known,"
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so he started putting "204."
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So the girls and everybody
would know who he was.
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Well, when I kept seeing
his name, you know,
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you hear the mythology of him
being perhaps a gang member
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and just like a cat
marks its terrain,
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Julio was marking his terrain
and his people's terrain.
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You'd see him a lot up there
Fort Tryon Park,
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Washington Heights area.
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Columbia University
marked their C
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for the football team
on this huge rock.
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We were hanging around
there one day and
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friend of mine said, "Let's
climb to the top of this thing."
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So when I got up to
the top there,
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I saw it, on a rock this guy
tagged his name, "Julio 204",
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I go, "This guy is everywhere!"
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You know? In my own childish
way I was impressed by that.
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Felt, "I'd like to get my name
everywhere too."
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NARRATOR: No one knows why
Julio 204 stopped writing,
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or what happened to him after.
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But by the late '60s his marker
tag had stopped appearing.
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In the 1960's America was
in a state of social upheaval,
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caused by issues like
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Civil Rights
and the Vietnam War.
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Political leaders were
being assassinated
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and it seemed like everyone's
lives were threatened.
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In the midst of all the chaos,
the country's urban youth
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started to speak up with
markers and spray cans.
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Meanwhile, in Upper Manhattan,
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in a neighborhood known
as Washington Heights,
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a small community
of Greek teenagers
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picked up
where Julio 204 left off.
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I grew up in between Inwood
and Washington Heights.
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I met Greg, Phil
and Taki because
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I was affiliated with a Greek
Orthodox Youth Association
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and we all played
basketball together.
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That's how I met them.
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So my father was self-educated
and he...
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He exposed me to a lot of things
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and part of that was, you know,
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trying to be
an individual of some kind
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and you know, I wanted to do
something different, you know.
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I wanted everyone
to know who I was.
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So my first name was "Phil",
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my last name began with a "T"
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so my moniker
was "Phil T Greek."
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It was unusual, it was unique.
I wasn't Puerto Rican, you know,
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I wasn't Irish, I was Greek.
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So I wanted to make a
Greek mark, you know.
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Julio 204 was very legible
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and I wanted mine
to be even more legible.
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I felt that it was necessary
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for my name
to be in block formation.
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I didn't want it to be script,
I wanted them to see it,
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and see that it was done
almost mechanically.
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When Phil started writing
in the Summer of '68,
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it made it more personal
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'cause all of a sudden
we knew who the guy was.
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Once it was like
an inside thing.
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LITTLE PHIL:
I saw Phil T's name
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and my friends would ask me,
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"Is that you writing that name?"
And I would take credit for it.
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LITTLE PHIL: Even though I
wasn't even tagging at the time.
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LITTLE PHIL: 'Cause it fit
my name so perfectly.
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And then we just kinda
tagged along,
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me and little Phil
started doing it too.
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PHIL: I didn't like when
they started writing because
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that's my thing, you know?
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We kinda wanted to
be like Phil, you know,
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in our regard
like with music
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and graffiti, I guess.
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Even the drugs.
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I don't remember him being
unhappy about it,
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certainly he didn't voice it
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and what I do remember is how
we thought it was pretty cool
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that we could both
write the same name
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and get twice
as much traction for it.
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He piggybacked on
my name and I didn't like it.
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But I stopped by then
and Phil started
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and he became known
as Phil T Greek, actually,
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he developed more notoriety.
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But there's no way
you can beat Taki.
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He was everywhere, you know.
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TAKI 183: I've always
been called Taki by everyone.
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Taki is a real name,
it's derived from Demetrius
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because when you're a little kid
it's hard to say Demetrius,
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so you had to say Taki,
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it's a very common nickname
in Greece
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and it either sticks with you
or it doesn't.
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But only a Greek would know
that it's a name basically.
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I never thought of getting
anything out of the graffiti.
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It was just something
you did for the summer.
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I was either with Phil or Greg
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and they were writing
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and I said,
"Oh, let me try that."
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And I just put Taki and I said,
"Oh, let me put 183,"
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'cause they're putting the year,
they're pretty Greek,
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I'll just put the number,
like Julio.
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The graffiti was also
part of the friendship,
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I mean, it was the sports,
it was the friendship.
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TAKI 183: You moved as a group
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so let's go up to
the bus terminal
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that had nice smooth walls.
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We'd hang around
the church steps.
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We'd hit the church steps.
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When we'd go to basketball
games we always carried a marker
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cause you gotta tag
along the way.
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You kinda-- You marked
your territory in a way.
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But during the summer of '70,
I was working as a messenger
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and the way you made
any kind of money is
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they'd give you the car fare for
the delivery and you'd walk it.
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So if I had to walk from
57th Street to 86th street
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with a package
I would just zig zag
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and every time it was
a red light
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I'd stop, put my name on a pole,
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you know how much you can cover?
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NARRATOR:
Taki183 started writing his name
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in neighborhoods outside his own
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and people around the city
started to take notice.
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Well, the first graffiti
that I noticed
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and that I admired
a lot was Taki183.
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Taki was top dog.
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Taki took it to the max, I mean,
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I think this kid lived
to write his name.
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You started out with a marker,
right,
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00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:51,331
because Taki183
started with a marker.
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Then I seen him hit with paint.
"Oh, look,
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00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:54,638
now that's not a bad idea."
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I didn't start it but that
was just the next step.
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WICKED GRAY:
The word got out.
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There's no denying
that every place
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you looked
you wouldn't see Taki.
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00:18:03,386 --> 00:18:05,606
All the neighborhoods
had Nazian graffiti
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but especially in
a pristine neighborhood
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it was much more evident.
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You could walk for 40 blocks
and see my name on every pole,
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Park Avenue, Lexington Avenue,
Madison Avenue, Sutton Place,
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all the cross streets,
and I just hit them all.
404
00:18:19,924 --> 00:18:21,622
And your name would be there
and people would say,
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00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:23,232
"How do you write it
and nobody saw him?"
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00:18:23,711 --> 00:18:25,539
That was the big
mystique of graffiti.
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LITTLE PHIL: Taki was original
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00:18:27,323 --> 00:18:29,238
and to watch him
in action was funny.
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00:18:29,673 --> 00:18:31,849
He had a leather jacket
that he liked to wear
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00:18:32,067 --> 00:18:33,373
and he had a hole in the pocket
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00:18:33,721 --> 00:18:36,376
and he became good at being able
to put his hand in the pocket
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and tag a door on a train,
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you know, then he'd walk over
to another door
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and do that one
and you'd never know he did it.
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Part of the rationale
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of not thinking you were
that destructive is because
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politicians would put up
Nixon tags,
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and you knew they weren't
gonna come back
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and take it off at the
end of the campaign.
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So I said,
"If they can do it I can do it."
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My parents thought it was
pretty terrible
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00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:58,615
that I was writing everywhere
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but then I think they
got the joke of it that
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they knew who I was but
nobody else knew who I was.
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NARRATOR:
Taki183 became an urban legend
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00:19:07,363 --> 00:19:10,149
and remained a mystery
to the public at large
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00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,063
until an enterprising reporter
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00:19:12,063 --> 00:19:14,283
fromThe New York Times
tracked him down.
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00:19:16,981 --> 00:19:20,202
In early '71, I was impressed
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00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:23,423
by an article
in The New York Times
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00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:27,427
about Taki183
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being the first of
a new type of graffiti writer.
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00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:36,131
TAKI 183:
Taki183 Spawns Pen Pals.
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When this was published
we really saw that
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it was becoming a citywide news
436
00:19:40,483 --> 00:19:42,964
and it was a good story
for a slow news day.
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00:19:43,791 --> 00:19:46,924
The Taki article gave what
we were doing credibility
438
00:19:46,924 --> 00:19:49,362
'cause now we knew
we were being noticed.
439
00:19:49,536 --> 00:19:52,060
I didn't have any hesitation
about speaking to the Times
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because basically it was
all a goof to begin with
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00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:56,282
and over here you got this
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00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:57,892
legitimate paper
interviewing you,
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00:19:58,066 --> 00:19:59,459
you know,
they interview Kissinger
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00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,634
and they're interviewing me.
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00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:02,505
You know,
how ridiculous can it get?
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BAMA: When I read that article
I was writing but I just thought
447
00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:11,732
"Wow, they blew him up, yo!
I'm gonna do his wall!"
448
00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:13,560
'Cause I wanted
to get an article.
449
00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,388
I don't remember seeing
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00:20:15,388 --> 00:20:18,086
any article about Taki
in any newspaper
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00:20:18,086 --> 00:20:19,522
back then in those days.
452
00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:22,133
All I remember about Taki
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00:20:22,133 --> 00:20:24,223
was a commercial
they used to show on TV.
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00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:26,921
It was filmed inside
the Statue of Liberty.
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HENRY 161: And they would show
the persons walking
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00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:32,840
up the stairs inside
the Statue of Liberty
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00:20:33,101 --> 00:20:36,974
and as they were walking
by you see the name Taki183.
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TAKI 183:
The Statue of Liberty commercial
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was a result of editing.
460
00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:44,330
Actually that was at
the A-Train station.
461
00:20:44,547 --> 00:20:46,767
I think, on 181st,
with the long steps.
462
00:20:46,941 --> 00:20:48,464
Whoever made the commercial
463
00:20:49,552 --> 00:20:52,207
filmed the family
with my name in the background,
464
00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:55,558
I have to hand it to this guy,
he like,
465
00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:56,951
he gave me so much publicity.
466
00:20:57,212 --> 00:21:00,650
When I was photographing
graffiti in New York
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Taki was already a legend.
468
00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:08,658
After Taki was everywhere there
was an explosion of taggers.
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00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:12,401
Summer of '71, they interviewed
me for Interviewmagazine,
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00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:15,012
Andy Warhol's magazine,
which was pretty cool,
471
00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,798
told me to come down and meet
Andy Warhol, I said,
472
00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:19,452
you know,
"I got no time for this guy."
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[LAUGHING]
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NARRATOR:
Taki183 was the face of
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the graffiti movement
in New York.
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But just 100 miles to the south,
Philadelphia had its own star.
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♪ [MUSIC]
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[SHAKING SPRAY CAN]
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CORNBREAD: I was established in
1965 at a reform school
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00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:44,259
and Mrs. Swanson
was the head cook,
481
00:21:44,694 --> 00:21:48,307
used to always prepare white
bread with our meals.
482
00:21:48,611 --> 00:21:51,527
I used to always remember how my
grandmom used to bake cornbread.
483
00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:55,488
So, I used to get outta line
and go in the back and say,
484
00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,620
"Mrs. Swanson, how come
you don't serve cornbread
485
00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:58,447
on the menu?"
486
00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,015
And she gripped me by my shirt,
487
00:22:01,276 --> 00:22:02,843
and took me out to my counselor
and told my counselor,
488
00:22:03,017 --> 00:22:04,540
"Keep this cornbread
out my kitchen."
489
00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:07,108
And all my peers at
the table started laughing,
490
00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:08,414
"Cornbread, Cornbread,"
491
00:22:08,762 --> 00:22:12,243
and throughout the institution,
which was infested with gangs
492
00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:15,508
who wrote their names all over
the walls of the institution,
493
00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:19,120
to recognize-- To be recognized
by their gang name.
494
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,687
I wanted recognition too.
495
00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:23,211
So I wrote "Cornbread"
in real big letters
496
00:22:23,211 --> 00:22:25,300
right by all the gangs' names.
497
00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:26,736
But I took it a step
further than that.
498
00:22:26,736 --> 00:22:28,869
I wrote my name
in the visitor hall,
499
00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:29,870
in the chow hall,
500
00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:33,961
in the bathroom, in the school,
in the church, everywhere.
501
00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:36,267
When I came home in 1967,
502
00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:38,705
I took that same concept
to the city walls
503
00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,620
to establish our reputation.
504
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,144
And I wrote my name everywhere.
505
00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:47,017
People started talking about it.
and it wasn't long before
506
00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:51,282
other teenage juveniles began
to spray-paint their names.
507
00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:55,286
NARRATOR: In North Philly,
Cornbread was joined
508
00:22:55,286 --> 00:22:58,333
by the likes of Titty
and Dr. Cool,
509
00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,597
while in West Philly there were
writers such as Chewy,
510
00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,557
Cool Earl and Kool Klepto Kidd.
511
00:23:05,949 --> 00:23:12,478
[FREEWAY TRAFFIC]
512
00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:17,526
KIDD: My name is
Edward Leatherary,
513
00:23:17,526 --> 00:23:21,400
A.K.A. Kool Klepto Kidd,
A.K.A. The Kidd.
514
00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:25,099
When I first started
writing graffiti
515
00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:27,667
it was I believe, in '67.
516
00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:31,540
Small tags with magic markers
517
00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:34,804
and it escalated
into spray paint.
518
00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,592
It started out as
a small band of us
519
00:23:39,592 --> 00:23:42,072
that hung together
and that was myself,
520
00:23:42,072 --> 00:23:45,728
Cool Earl, Chewy,
we came from the hood,
521
00:23:46,033 --> 00:23:49,210
so to speak,
the ghetto, you know,
522
00:23:49,906 --> 00:23:54,650
rat, roach infested areas,
people not having very much
523
00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:58,524
and we went out and pretty
much put our names out
524
00:23:58,524 --> 00:24:00,177
and it was like, "We're here."
525
00:24:00,830 --> 00:24:04,617
Well one particular day
Chewy, Kidd and myself
526
00:24:04,617 --> 00:24:07,881
and a few other guys was writing
on an L's in Philadelphia
527
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,884
and Eddie decides to write
his name on the L's.
528
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:11,798
He wrote "Kidd".
529
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,930
And I'm sitting on an L,
on a seat,
530
00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:16,237
and I'm looking at him
write "Kidd" and I'm thinking,
531
00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:18,413
"Well, get me.
Write my name up there."
532
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,156
And to my surprise instead of
just writing Earl,
533
00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:23,331
he wrote "Cool Earl".
534
00:24:24,071 --> 00:24:27,770
So, Kidd was the first person
that wrote Cool Earl, for me.
535
00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:31,252
I chose to use my real name
536
00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:34,690
but because of that
little art flair in me
537
00:24:35,082 --> 00:24:37,606
I knew I could come up
with something special.
538
00:24:37,606 --> 00:24:40,261
So, you know, and to
this day it's only one dude
539
00:24:40,261 --> 00:24:42,176
I know that could
really do it like me,
540
00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:43,569
and that was my man, Joe Cool.
541
00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:47,964
I got the name Joe Cool from
this cartoon character, Snoopy.
542
00:24:47,964 --> 00:24:52,055
When I turned 13, my parents
sent me to Karate school
543
00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:55,711
and, you know, at first
everybody used to tease me
544
00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:58,061
and call me Karate Kid
and stuff like that
545
00:24:58,061 --> 00:25:02,065
and as time went on, you know,
I just, I couldn'’t shake it.
546
00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:05,678
And here I am now,
and still can't shake it.
547
00:25:05,678 --> 00:25:07,462
I have people right now,
right now,
548
00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,159
that, that they don't know
my name.
549
00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:12,336
KIDD: It was just more of
a vandal type thing,
550
00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:13,947
we were just on the subway
551
00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:17,298
writing on
the cardboard advertisement,
552
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,518
you know,
like a Zorro type of a signet.
553
00:25:20,301 --> 00:25:23,043
We were going over
South Philly, North Philly,
554
00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:25,045
we was going all over the place.
555
00:25:25,262 --> 00:25:27,961
Everybody wanted to be
cool just like us.
556
00:25:28,135 --> 00:25:29,963
LEWIS: Everywhere,
557
00:25:29,963 --> 00:25:32,574
I see these guys' names,
I say, "How did they do that?
558
00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:34,489
How did they get it here?
How did they get up there?"
559
00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:36,099
We were just having fun,
you know,
560
00:25:36,099 --> 00:25:37,797
cops chase us,
they couldn't catch us,
561
00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:39,625
you know, it was a
cat and mouse type of thing,
562
00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,323
you know. When we were hitting
and they'd pull over
563
00:25:42,323 --> 00:25:43,803
and jump out
and try to catch us,
564
00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:45,195
all of us were pretty fast
565
00:25:45,369 --> 00:25:46,545
and, you know,
we was having fun.
566
00:25:46,849 --> 00:25:51,375
We went on excursions at night,
in the bus terminals.
567
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:53,508
When we thought that
no one would see us
568
00:25:53,508 --> 00:25:55,641
and we hit every bus
we could hit.
569
00:25:55,815 --> 00:25:57,556
KARATE:
I used to live with my aunt
570
00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,645
and my aunt used to tell me,
571
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,432
"Look, if you're not in
the house by nine o'clock,
572
00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:06,826
you gotta sleep in the hallway."
573
00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:09,002
Every night we would go out
574
00:26:09,002 --> 00:26:12,005
and write and I never got home
at nine o'clock,
575
00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:14,747
so I slept in the hallway
for many nights.
576
00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:16,705
COOL EARL: We didn't want to be
a part of the gangs,
577
00:26:16,923 --> 00:26:19,012
that's why we broke off
into different clubs,
578
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,277
Delta Phi Soul, Cornbread was
a part of North Philly
579
00:26:23,277 --> 00:26:26,062
and then in West Philly,
me and Kool Klepto Kidd
580
00:26:26,062 --> 00:26:27,803
was a part of a club,
Odigma Experience,
581
00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:29,109
meaning cool experience.
582
00:26:29,283 --> 00:26:31,198
NARRATOR:
Writers from both sides of town
583
00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:34,027
belonged to crews modeled
after fraternities,
584
00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:38,640
with names like Phi Odigma
Experience and Delta Phi Soul.
585
00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:42,688
The crew's main focus was to
throw parties at social clubs.
586
00:26:42,862 --> 00:26:44,864
So, it was only a matter of time
587
00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:47,780
until both groups
of graffiti writers met.
588
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:50,565
KIDD: Let's say we'd hit a wall,
a clean wall,
589
00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:54,047
and we'd come back at a later
date and Cornbread and his crew
590
00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:56,832
would have hit that wall.
So, we started leaving messages.
591
00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:58,529
you know,
and finally we did connect.
592
00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:02,142
We met at a dance hall,
Shanahan on Likus Avenue.
593
00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:04,927
West Philly used
to fight North Philly,
594
00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:07,538
so we knew that was gonna
be some trouble outside
595
00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:08,670
when we went to North Philly.
596
00:27:08,844 --> 00:27:11,717
So, I seen Cool Earl
in a cool cap
597
00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:13,196
so I tagged him,
I said, "Cool Earl."
598
00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:17,331
He said, "What's up, man?"
I said, "What's up, Cool Earl?"
599
00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,334
He said, "What's up with you,
who are you?"
600
00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:21,683
I said, "I'm Cornbread."
601
00:27:22,858 --> 00:27:24,599
He said, "Nah,
you ain't Cornbread."
602
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:25,818
I put up my marker.
603
00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:28,124
I got the felt with me
and I went to the wall,
604
00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:29,169
"Cornbread."
605
00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:32,825
And he just says,
"Yo, Chewy, Bobby."
606
00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:34,348
He started calling
the whole gang.
607
00:27:34,348 --> 00:27:35,392
"He called Cornbread."
608
00:27:36,872 --> 00:27:37,960
And they're just hugging it.
609
00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:40,484
we recognized each other,
by reputation.
610
00:27:40,876 --> 00:27:43,749
COOL EARL: And we introduced
ourselves and it was like,
611
00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:46,621
you know, it was great.
612
00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:48,579
You know,
finally I meet Cornbread
613
00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:50,625
and Titty and Dr. Cool and Took,
614
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,409
but when we met it was just,
615
00:27:52,409 --> 00:27:54,237
"Let's go tag
some walls together."
616
00:27:54,455 --> 00:27:56,544
You know,
that set the party in tune.
617
00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:01,201
NARRATOR: With North Philly
and West Philly writers united
618
00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:04,247
graffiti in Philadelphia
spread like wildfire
619
00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,815
and the media picked
up the story.
620
00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:09,775
SANDY: I think the name that
got me the most was Cornbread
621
00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:11,646
because it was so unique.
622
00:28:11,646 --> 00:28:13,648
It said so many
different things, you know.
623
00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:17,173
All of us had good names but,
you know, Cornbread just was
624
00:28:17,173 --> 00:28:21,525
a easy name to stick in
your mind and easy to remember.
625
00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:24,920
And the more we got into it
626
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,487
the more publicity
we kept getting.
627
00:28:26,922 --> 00:28:29,403
There was some imposters
during that period also.
628
00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:32,188
So, I'm going
to work one day,
629
00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:34,625
I got a job at
Nabisco Baking Factory
630
00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:39,674
and I open up the newspapers
and I read about my own death.
631
00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:46,333
"The fantastic career of one
of Philadelphia's
632
00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:49,075
best known graffiti artists
came to a violent end,
633
00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,120
Sunday, outside
a hotel and bar."
634
00:28:51,381 --> 00:28:54,384
My reputation was
going to this guy's grave.
635
00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,213
I had to do something
636
00:28:57,213 --> 00:28:59,128
to let the public know
that I still exist.
637
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:03,263
So I had pondered
countless possibilities
638
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,352
and came to the conclusion
639
00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:07,702
to spray-paint my name on a live
elephant
640
00:29:07,702 --> 00:29:08,790
at the Philadelphia Zoo.
641
00:29:09,965 --> 00:29:12,838
I went to the zoo,
spray-paint in hand,
642
00:29:12,838 --> 00:29:15,188
climbed over the fence,
and came to his pit.
643
00:29:15,536 --> 00:29:19,670
I walked up to the elephant.
I wrote "Cornbread lives."
644
00:29:20,846 --> 00:29:22,064
I got locked up that day.
645
00:29:23,283 --> 00:29:25,589
When the police officers learned
that I was in custody
646
00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:27,591
all the cops started
coming to my cell
647
00:29:27,591 --> 00:29:28,941
asking me for my autograph.
648
00:29:29,245 --> 00:29:32,945
My name rang like Jesus Christ.
649
00:29:33,728 --> 00:29:35,556
They talked about it in
the newspapers
650
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:37,384
and it just blew out of context.
651
00:29:37,601 --> 00:29:39,952
Cornbread,
he's the most famous that was.
652
00:29:39,952 --> 00:29:42,868
He's got his name on
elephants and stuff like this,
653
00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:44,783
you know,
and that's pretty bold.
654
00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:45,740
You gonna go to the zoo
655
00:29:45,958 --> 00:29:47,176
and write your name
on an elephant?
656
00:29:47,394 --> 00:29:50,353
You know, 'cause, again,
we were always trying to find
657
00:29:50,571 --> 00:29:53,530
the wildest things
you could possibly find
658
00:29:53,879 --> 00:29:55,924
that would get the attention
of other people,
659
00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:59,406
you know. And, you know, this
of course this was really wild
660
00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:02,148
so, I mean,
this was off-the-chart,
661
00:30:02,322 --> 00:30:05,281
to go over a fence
and spray paint an elephant.
662
00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:09,198
REPORTER: Vandalism is
one of our country's
663
00:30:09,198 --> 00:30:10,765
biggest problems today.
664
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,942
Estimates for destruction
to school facilities alone
665
00:30:14,116 --> 00:30:16,640
is over $100 million per year
666
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:19,382
and counting all acts
of vandalism
667
00:30:19,382 --> 00:30:21,036
to public and private property
668
00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:25,432
some experts push the figure
to over $1 billion every year.
669
00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:29,479
Of course, a billion
dollars is only money.
670
00:30:30,263 --> 00:30:32,004
But what about
the tens of thousands
671
00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:33,440
of these young people
672
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,920
convicted of these crimes?
673
00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:40,012
I had some sources in the Black
community in Philadelphia
674
00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,101
and couple of them said
675
00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,233
they could help me
find these guys.
676
00:30:44,538 --> 00:30:47,541
So we set-up a meeting
at the Philadelphia Inquirer.
677
00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:51,110
I remember May 2nd, 1971.
678
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:52,981
Todaymagazine did an article
679
00:30:52,981 --> 00:30:55,462
on "“The Aerosol Aerographers
and Why We Do It"”.
680
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,986
That was my mission as
a reporter, to explain it.
681
00:30:58,465 --> 00:31:01,294
But when people read it
they took it the wrong way.
682
00:31:01,729 --> 00:31:04,427
The Inquirer
received 400 letters
683
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:07,169
and people were genuinely angry.
684
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:11,043
They took it as an endorsement
and it was never an endorsement.
685
00:31:11,913 --> 00:31:14,873
KIDD: I think at that point
things really blew up
686
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:18,006
and a number of other writers
came out of the woodworks.
687
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:19,834
LEWIS: See, see somebody wrote
up there "the crew,"
688
00:31:19,834 --> 00:31:21,488
I don't know who put
"the crew" here.
689
00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:23,098
And that happened a lot.
690
00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:25,144
One person would put their name
on the wall
691
00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:28,843
and then, in the long run,
everybody would hit,
692
00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:33,500
especially the top names, and as
soon as the top names hit then,
693
00:31:33,717 --> 00:31:35,850
you know, following bang,
bang, bang, bang,
694
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:37,112
with the names up on it.
695
00:31:37,591 --> 00:31:38,505
But, you know, like when
696
00:31:38,766 --> 00:31:40,159
Cornbread put his name up
on the wall
697
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:41,508
then everybody would hit.
698
00:31:41,725 --> 00:31:44,772
SANDY: I looked at it as an
archaeological kind of a thing.
699
00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,469
What are people gonna think
700
00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,080
when they unearth
this civilization
701
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,124
and they see this stuff?
702
00:31:50,865 --> 00:31:53,781
BAMA: New Yorkers
and cats from Philly
703
00:31:53,781 --> 00:31:58,046
shared some kind
of symbiotic relationship.
704
00:31:58,046 --> 00:32:00,353
Yeah, I don't know what
it was but it was real.
705
00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:05,924
So, you know, guys from Philly
who say "we were first,"
706
00:32:06,402 --> 00:32:07,490
God bless 'em.
707
00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:09,144
Guys from the Bronx who say,
708
00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,320
"No, we were first,"
God bless 'em.
709
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,758
Who's to say who was first?
It's not that important.
710
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:16,325
If it never went anywhere
711
00:32:16,325 --> 00:32:18,240
it wouldn't have mattered
who was first or last.
712
00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:20,155
It's only important because
713
00:32:20,155 --> 00:32:22,157
you want to establish
how it started.
714
00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,379
You know,
I know guys from other cities.
715
00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:29,991
They're saying, "We were first."
Oh, that was good.
716
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:33,647
But, you know, there's kids that
never left their neighborhoods.
717
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:35,910
If they were first
in their neighborhood
718
00:32:36,128 --> 00:32:37,912
and they had never been
to Washington Heights,
719
00:32:37,912 --> 00:32:40,001
well then they were first there.
720
00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:45,789
LSD OM: I lived on a commune
in 1970
721
00:32:45,789 --> 00:32:47,835
up here in West Kill, New York
722
00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:51,926
so after I came back from
that commune in 1970
723
00:32:52,535 --> 00:32:54,842
and I landed back with
my own group of friends
724
00:32:54,842 --> 00:32:57,323
in Central Park around
the Bethesda Fountain
725
00:32:57,758 --> 00:32:59,629
that'’s when I started
writing really.
726
00:32:59,803 --> 00:33:04,373
But I remember in '71 you could
go on the number one train,
727
00:33:04,678 --> 00:33:06,723
or any station like that
on the way up,
728
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:10,292
every single piece of the White
tile would be tagged,
729
00:33:10,292 --> 00:33:11,990
like, totally bombed.
730
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,427
I remember the first
time I went uptown
731
00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:17,343
and, like, the doors opened up
on a station like that,
732
00:33:17,343 --> 00:33:18,822
I thought, "Oh, my god."
733
00:33:18,822 --> 00:33:21,260
If you never saw
anything like it, it was scary.
734
00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:23,566
You didn't feel safe right away.
You felt like
735
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:26,395
if people could write
this much all over the place,
736
00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:27,875
where are the cops?
737
00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:29,790
Like, this is wild up here.
738
00:33:29,964 --> 00:33:32,488
Our society has got
to a chaotic state.
739
00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:34,708
That's when the odds are
the trains are getting hit,
740
00:33:35,274 --> 00:33:38,016
and I mean, there were hundreds
of writers then.
741
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,321
I thought, "Oh, my god,
742
00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:42,324
this is a scene,
this is a cultural explosion."
743
00:33:42,324 --> 00:33:44,500
[DOG BARKING]
744
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,373
BOB: A dramatic scenario
staged by the MTA
745
00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:49,505
shows what can happen
to a graffiti artist
746
00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:51,246
as he decorates a subway car.
747
00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:52,900
[DOG BARKING]
748
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,467
The trainers have
the guard dog
749
00:33:54,467 --> 00:33:56,164
handled by a private detective
750
00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:58,166
is programmed to attack
on command
751
00:33:58,166 --> 00:34:00,516
and stop on command,
but not to kill.
752
00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:02,214
Even the threat of violent death
753
00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:03,693
has failed to keep
graffiti artists
754
00:34:03,693 --> 00:34:05,304
out of subway yards and tunnels.
755
00:34:05,695 --> 00:34:08,307
At least one death by fire in
the past year,
756
00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:09,656
one by decapitation,
757
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,354
and two by electrocution
on the third rail.
758
00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:15,314
Is it possible then that
such dedicated artists
759
00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:17,316
will abandon
their natural habitat
760
00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,144
to avoid being bitten by a dog?
761
00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:22,016
For NewsCenter 4, Bob Teague.
762
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,106
NARRATOR:
With walls covered in names
763
00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:28,544
legibility and street numbers
were no longer enough.
764
00:34:28,544 --> 00:34:32,331
In order to stand out,
writers had to add style.
765
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:36,900
In my world, wearing a crown
meant that I became a king.
766
00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:43,777
As we started adding crowns
and bubbles and squiggly lines
767
00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:46,780
it became
even more entertaining,
768
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:48,477
more fascinating for me.
769
00:34:48,825 --> 00:34:51,437
And I kept trying to so hard,
but I could never come up.
770
00:34:51,437 --> 00:34:54,353
Like, I just,
I couldn't bring my skills up
771
00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:58,183
and that's JK,
you know, Mike171.
772
00:34:58,183 --> 00:34:59,227
These guys were like,
773
00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:00,837
in my eyes,
they were like artists
774
00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:04,102
and I couldn't bring
myself to that level
775
00:35:04,363 --> 00:35:08,845
because my level of art
was taking a 45 apart
776
00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:11,631
and putting it back together
while I'm blindfolded,
777
00:35:11,979 --> 00:35:17,245
that was my art. That's it,
that's the old Henry161.
778
00:35:17,985 --> 00:35:19,726
NARRATOR:
Writers all around the city
779
00:35:19,726 --> 00:35:21,467
started to embellish their names
780
00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:24,557
with arrows,
stars and even characters.
781
00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:26,559
BAMA: You know,
style didn't become an issue
782
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,909
until like, end of 1970, '71.
783
00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,520
Then all of a sudden it became
who had the best style,
784
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,435
who got this, who did this?
I might blow up.
785
00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:36,264
Everybody had their own
unique style,
786
00:35:36,264 --> 00:35:38,571
just like a signature
on a check or something.
787
00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:40,268
After I started writing my name
788
00:35:40,268 --> 00:35:42,183
I started putting designs
around it
789
00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:43,663
because I kinda liked
these things.
790
00:35:43,663 --> 00:35:45,882
I used to put like a little
flower on top of it
791
00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:47,580
and the peace sign
underneath mine.
792
00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:49,364
First, it started
with just eyebrows
793
00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:51,932
and then if Earl hit on the wall
794
00:35:51,932 --> 00:35:53,499
next to me I would draw eyes
795
00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:55,196
like I was looking over at Earl.
796
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:59,374
It was an art form that "I got
your back, I'm watching you."
797
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:05,250
I definitely started the
eyeballs, the stars on the side,
798
00:36:05,424 --> 00:36:07,252
and I may have
started the eyebrows,
799
00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:08,340
I'm not really sure.
I don't want
800
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:09,384
to take credit for something
801
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:10,342
that I really didn't do,
802
00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:15,695
but I really do believe that
I may have started that.
803
00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:18,219
Yeah, I did invent the crown
804
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,483
and then other people
tried to portray that
805
00:36:21,483 --> 00:36:24,704
and make their own crowns
but it wasn't the same.
806
00:36:25,052 --> 00:36:26,836
I was the one
who first started it.
807
00:36:26,923 --> 00:36:29,187
Babyface86 started the crown.
808
00:36:29,361 --> 00:36:30,840
You know some other person
say it was him
809
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,146
but it was not, he lied.
810
00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:35,976
Cornbread started hitting,
Cornbread King of the Walls
811
00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:37,107
and started putting a crown up
812
00:36:37,107 --> 00:36:38,761
and everybody
started following suit.
813
00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:41,764
So no question Cornbread started
the crown, to my knowledge.
814
00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:46,247
REPORTER: Commissioner,
what part of your manpower
815
00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,858
and how much of your budget
is devoted to
816
00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,295
cleaning up after vandals?
817
00:36:50,817 --> 00:36:52,427
Well, the direct cost
of vandalism
818
00:36:52,427 --> 00:36:55,648
we figure at about
$1,100,000 a year.
819
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,259
The indirect cost is very
much higher than that
820
00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:00,609
because we're constantly
having to divert men
821
00:37:00,783 --> 00:37:02,307
who could be doing
constructive work
822
00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:04,091
in the green parts of the park
823
00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:08,008
to doing--
To correcting antisocial
824
00:37:08,008 --> 00:37:09,531
and often very vicious acts.
825
00:37:09,836 --> 00:37:13,318
At the moment we are dealing
with it with a program
826
00:37:13,492 --> 00:37:15,711
that tries to act on
the principle
827
00:37:15,885 --> 00:37:17,931
that if you can catch
vandalism quickly
828
00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:21,021
you prevent that further
deterioration which sets in.
829
00:37:21,195 --> 00:37:24,503
And we've organized the squads
and trucks in each burrow,
830
00:37:24,764 --> 00:37:26,156
which are going to be able
to go out
831
00:37:26,418 --> 00:37:29,856
and do the minimal but necessary
repairs on the spot.
832
00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:32,206
When that's done,
they leave a sign
833
00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:34,643
saying "We've been here
in a preliminary way"
834
00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:37,646
the vandals have done their work
but PRCA will be back.
835
00:37:37,951 --> 00:37:41,128
I became attached to it,
it is like, a disease, I guess.
836
00:37:41,128 --> 00:37:43,261
I never left home without
my magic marker.
837
00:37:43,435 --> 00:37:46,220
I used to get home late at night
from the morning at school,
838
00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:49,832
all full of paint. All hell over
my hands, you know, like,
839
00:37:50,703 --> 00:37:53,096
then go home, eat,
take a shower,
840
00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:54,402
back the same shit next morning.
841
00:37:54,576 --> 00:37:57,536
It was an escape route.
I would forget the streets.
842
00:37:57,536 --> 00:37:58,972
I didn't think of no violence,
843
00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,930
I didn't think of my
mother getting beat up.
844
00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,845
I didn't think of anything bad.
845
00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:05,370
In my mind it was just
focused on the graffiti.
846
00:38:05,761 --> 00:38:06,980
Well, you're treacherous,
you know what I mean,
847
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:08,982
you're like, Gulliver--
Gulliver-- Gulliver--
848
00:38:08,982 --> 00:38:10,853
what is it, Gulliver'’s Travels,
you know what I mean,
849
00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:13,421
you just wanna go on
an adventure, you know,
850
00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:15,336
get outta your neighborhood,
see something different.
851
00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:18,905
They know me as Mike171,
Mighty Whitey,
852
00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:20,950
Downtown Mounty Maker,
Downtown Heartbreaker,
853
00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:23,126
from the city
with no pity so nice
854
00:38:23,126 --> 00:38:25,128
they have to name it twice,
New York, New York.
855
00:38:25,738 --> 00:38:28,610
If you mess with me you will see
how much trouble I can be.
856
00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:31,047
Always with .38 and .45.
857
00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:35,182
But they were my spray cans,
that's how I express myself.
858
00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,011
That's how we grew up man,
you know.
859
00:38:38,011 --> 00:38:40,230
My father died
when I was 12 in '68,
860
00:38:40,883 --> 00:38:43,321
October 19th.
Steve's father left his family.
861
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,061
Steve's the oldest of four kids.
862
00:38:45,584 --> 00:38:47,281
And we had to go out
in the streets
863
00:38:47,281 --> 00:38:49,022
and provide for our families.
864
00:38:49,414 --> 00:38:51,241
You know, and this
is where graffiti came in
865
00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,331
because we kinda
started to let loose.
866
00:38:53,766 --> 00:38:55,463
You know,
I was angry at the government,
867
00:38:55,768 --> 00:38:57,204
you know, my father taken away,
868
00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:59,380
my younger brother
just died a few years ago.
869
00:38:59,946 --> 00:39:02,731
I had an incident that happened
to me I really don't share.
870
00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:06,779
I was pushing robbery,
guy pushed me in the hole,
871
00:39:06,779 --> 00:39:08,433
when he beat me with the gun,
872
00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:10,522
put me in the closet,
ransacked the house.
873
00:39:10,957 --> 00:39:13,046
And what he did,
he undressed me and raped me.
874
00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:15,483
And he put a knife to me,
gun to me,
875
00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:16,963
he penetrated me,
I blacked out.
876
00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:21,141
Thirteen years old,
and at that point in life,
877
00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:23,665
you know, I share this
because this is something
878
00:39:23,665 --> 00:39:25,928
that I have to reveal
of who I am today
879
00:39:26,102 --> 00:39:30,368
because of that
made me close down,
880
00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:32,370
I put a steel casing
around my life,
881
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:33,936
I put a brick wall around that.
882
00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:37,418
And I just went on the suicidal
homicidal mission.
883
00:39:37,592 --> 00:39:39,986
You know, I was graffiti
all the time out in the streets,
884
00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:42,380
drugs, gang banging,
the whole nine.
885
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:44,077
And I don't care
if I lived or died.
886
00:39:44,512 --> 00:39:46,688
You know,
the gangs came to us and said,
887
00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:49,256
"Listen, you guys live here,
888
00:39:49,256 --> 00:39:51,954
we got a gang,
you want protection,
889
00:39:51,954 --> 00:39:53,129
you want nothing
happening to you,
890
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:54,348
you got to join with us."
891
00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:59,135
The older guys that were
like 15, 16, 17 years old,
892
00:39:59,135 --> 00:40:02,008
they were starting to
wear their gang jackets.
893
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:06,012
And that caught my attention
'cause it was more violent
894
00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:10,320
and I liked the violence,
more than I did the graffiti.
895
00:40:10,538 --> 00:40:12,758
HENRY 161:So I started
being a gangster
896
00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:16,022
but a graffiti gangster
with my jacket.
897
00:40:17,937 --> 00:40:19,939
NARRATOR: The new gangs
were more vicious
898
00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:22,202
than ever and heavily armed.
899
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,813
Most writers
wanted to avoid them,
900
00:40:24,813 --> 00:40:27,250
but others were ready to join.
901
00:40:28,034 --> 00:40:30,428
SAVAGE NOMADS: They tried to
take over one of my divisions.
902
00:40:31,341 --> 00:40:33,692
But they didn't quite make it
and we killed two of their guys.
903
00:40:33,692 --> 00:40:35,302
They tried to burn down
my clubhouse,
904
00:40:35,302 --> 00:40:37,086
we killed two of their guys
905
00:40:37,086 --> 00:40:38,610
and five of their guys
rolled up on
906
00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:40,829
one of the Savage Nomads,
know what he told them?
907
00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,788
"Oh, we gonna
give you hell, baby,
908
00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:44,703
we gonna get you hell."
And they didn't even kill them.
909
00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:46,269
At that time
we had this little group
910
00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:47,445
called The Latin Lords,
911
00:40:47,706 --> 00:40:51,187
was me, Babyface,
a cousin of mine from the Bronx,
912
00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:53,320
couple of other brothers though,
you know, he told me,
913
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,843
"Why don't you guys
become Savage Nomads?"
914
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:57,629
so I say, "Yo, Babyface,
let's became Savage Nomads."
915
00:40:57,629 --> 00:40:58,499
And--
916
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,546
We can't be Savage Nomads 'cause
this was the beginning, you see.
917
00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:03,983
This is a new club.
Then after we got established,
918
00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:04,853
before you join the club
919
00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:06,246
you gotta go through
some different shit.
920
00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:09,075
Get initiated, get your
ass kicked and whatever.
921
00:41:09,249 --> 00:41:11,991
I was affiliated with
the Hellafied Sisters.
922
00:41:12,252 --> 00:41:14,384
It was a group of girls
and we would hang out
923
00:41:14,384 --> 00:41:16,038
and a lotta times
we'd go to 184th Street
924
00:41:16,038 --> 00:41:17,953
and we'd get together with
the Savage Nomads.
925
00:41:18,127 --> 00:41:20,347
SPANKY 132: It was a good time
back then with the gangs.
926
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:23,045
Back then,
you'd get into your fights,
927
00:41:23,045 --> 00:41:25,439
you'd have your stabbings,
you're fighting with the chains,
928
00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:27,833
fighting with bottles and then
the next thing you know,
929
00:41:27,833 --> 00:41:29,661
a month down the road you
guys are friends again.
930
00:41:30,052 --> 00:41:32,272
UNDERTAKER ASH: When I was
kidnapped by the drug stompers
931
00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:34,709
I was DJing a party and they
came to the party
932
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:37,451
and there were guns and knives
and they took me
933
00:41:37,973 --> 00:41:42,543
to their headquarters, made
me sign a treaty to join them.
934
00:41:42,804 --> 00:41:45,503
HENRY 161: Back then,
the initiation for the gang
935
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:48,157
that I was gonna get into,
the Galaxies,
936
00:41:48,418 --> 00:41:52,118
was 10 whacks with
a Garrison belt,
937
00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:53,380
Army Garrison belt.
938
00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:55,774
And 10 people would
take one shot each
939
00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:58,428
at your ass
with your pants down.
940
00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:02,520
But in my case I didn't have
to do that because
941
00:42:02,694 --> 00:42:06,393
the night before the initiation
I went out to a school dance
942
00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:12,138
with Cay161 and we had to take
the girls to 125th Street
943
00:42:12,138 --> 00:42:13,705
where they lived in the Projects
944
00:42:14,227 --> 00:42:16,229
and we got approached
by some gangsters
945
00:42:16,229 --> 00:42:17,447
called The Black Spades.
946
00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:19,928
And even though we
didn't have jackets
947
00:42:20,233 --> 00:42:21,887
they still wanted to beat on us
948
00:42:21,887 --> 00:42:23,715
and one of them grabbed
an antennae
949
00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:25,804
and swiped it across my face.
950
00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:30,025
So, the next day when
I went for my initiation
951
00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:31,853
I had to get walked
into the clubhouse
952
00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:36,118
'cause my face, my eyeballs were
too swollen and I couldn't see.
953
00:42:36,336 --> 00:42:37,859
So my friends
that walked me into
954
00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:40,296
the clubhouse
to get my initiation
955
00:42:40,296 --> 00:42:43,517
after they seen me
the president of the gang said,
956
00:42:43,517 --> 00:42:44,474
'Oh, no, no, it's okay,
957
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,346
Henry doesn't need
to be initiated,
958
00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:48,522
he got his initiation
last night."
959
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:50,872
NARRATOR: Just like we'll never
know if New York City
960
00:42:50,872 --> 00:42:52,744
or Philadelphia was
first with graffiti,
961
00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:55,007
we'll also never know
which had gangs first.
962
00:42:55,181 --> 00:42:57,575
What we do know is the effect
the rise of the gangs
963
00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,664
had on wall writing
in each city.
964
00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:04,712
KIDD: '69 and up until the '70s
was really the hard gang era.
965
00:43:04,973 --> 00:43:08,063
The drugs swept through
the neighborhoods like a plague
966
00:43:08,324 --> 00:43:09,935
and it was the heroine
967
00:43:09,935 --> 00:43:12,807
and all this social activity
went to the wayside,
968
00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:15,680
a whole lotta my good
friends started dying.
969
00:43:16,028 --> 00:43:18,204
JOE COOL:
Philadelphia was like Vietnam.
970
00:43:18,683 --> 00:43:22,991
The gangs were so bad, it was,
it's a wonder I'm still alive,
971
00:43:22,991 --> 00:43:26,734
a lotta guys that I grew up
with are dead or in jail.
972
00:43:26,908 --> 00:43:29,171
Certain neighborhoods
you couldn't even write in
973
00:43:29,345 --> 00:43:30,608
'cause the gangsters
974
00:43:30,738 --> 00:43:32,479
didn't want you to write
in their neighborhood.
975
00:43:32,871 --> 00:43:36,091
Gangs only wrote on walls
in their turf
976
00:43:36,091 --> 00:43:37,397
to identify their turf.
977
00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:40,661
LEWIS: That's one thing I didn't
mess around with,
978
00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:43,229
I never put no gang stuff
on walls.
979
00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:45,013
See, because that was trouble.
980
00:43:45,013 --> 00:43:46,145
You asked for trouble
when you put--
981
00:43:46,145 --> 00:43:48,060
You write gang stuff up there,
982
00:43:48,234 --> 00:43:51,541
you rivaling a gang, and that,
then you get in trouble.
983
00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:55,067
you know? You write gang stuff,
they're gonna that--
984
00:43:55,284 --> 00:43:58,723
We got in trouble, remember,
we got in trouble,
985
00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,986
yeah, when we was
on 60th and Market?
986
00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:03,031
One day?
987
00:44:03,423 --> 00:44:06,818
-When it was the-- Remember?
-Oh, right, right, right.
988
00:44:06,818 --> 00:44:09,037
The Moon was chasing us
all over.
989
00:44:09,037 --> 00:44:12,040
LEWIS: Oh, "we heard
you wrote your name
990
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,563
on our turf" and all that.
991
00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:15,435
Yeah. [LAUGHS]
992
00:44:15,435 --> 00:44:17,132
Oh, man, I told them,
remember, I say
993
00:44:17,132 --> 00:44:19,004
I wrote my name
in a whole lotta turfs.
994
00:44:19,004 --> 00:44:20,919
[BOTH LAUGHING]
995
00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:23,138
One thing I didn't
back down from.
996
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:26,489
But I knew when to get outta
dodge and things got crazy
997
00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:27,577
'cause you knew
most of the town
998
00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:29,188
at night was gonna happen.
999
00:44:29,841 --> 00:44:32,539
I could sense,
"It's time to go."
1000
00:44:34,236 --> 00:44:36,586
NARRATOR: Writers
who were also gang members
1001
00:44:36,586 --> 00:44:39,328
faced the difficulty
of a dual life.
1002
00:44:39,633 --> 00:44:44,246
This is our area, Young Galaxy's
area, this is our territory,
1003
00:44:44,464 --> 00:44:47,641
we still were gang oriented,
1004
00:44:47,641 --> 00:44:49,643
even though we were doing
the graffiti.
1005
00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:51,776
'Cause, yeah, thing is
you'd get busted, right,
1006
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:55,693
then they had "Joe182,
Savage Nomad" you know.
1007
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,999
This is the same
fucking guy, though, no?
1008
00:44:57,999 --> 00:45:00,436
I don't wanna get
no banged for bullshit,
1009
00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:03,135
get busted, Joe182,
it's a different story.
1010
00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:04,310
I get busted doing gang shit
1011
00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,268
it's a whole different story,
you know?
1012
00:45:06,268 --> 00:45:08,357
So I keep it like that,
keep it apart.
1013
00:45:08,357 --> 00:45:10,403
NARRATOR: Most writers
were not in gangs
1014
00:45:10,403 --> 00:45:12,971
and hung out
in small unnamed groups
1015
00:45:13,145 --> 00:45:16,975
that lacked organization.
But in the summer of 1971
1016
00:45:17,149 --> 00:45:18,716
that started to change.
1017
00:45:22,241 --> 00:45:23,242
SPANKY 132: If it was
in this book
1018
00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:24,852
it had to be before '74
1019
00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:26,375
'cause that's when I went
into the Navy.
1020
00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:32,686
SJK, the other Greek fella,
he's a nice guy too.
1021
00:45:33,687 --> 00:45:36,995
Writers Corner, that's a
very interesting corner,
1022
00:45:36,995 --> 00:45:38,257
that Writers Corner.
1023
00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:41,869
That corner right there is where
Snake1 used to live, my nephew.
1024
00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:43,958
My sister
had an apartment there.
1025
00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:47,179
Writers Corner was a corner
that was developed,
1026
00:45:47,179 --> 00:45:50,878
I believe by
Snake1 and Stitch1.
1027
00:45:51,139 --> 00:45:54,969
Stitch1 is the one who invented
Writers Corner because
1028
00:45:55,883 --> 00:45:57,363
his girlfriend used to live
1029
00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:01,149
about maybe 50 feet
away from the corner.
1030
00:46:01,367 --> 00:46:05,632
Before it was Writers Corner,
it was Stitch & Rocky's Corner.
1031
00:46:06,372 --> 00:46:07,808
Stitch and I were in love
1032
00:46:09,157 --> 00:46:12,421
and he was--
He treated me like gold.
1033
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:14,859
His parents, I'd go over there
1034
00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:16,861
it was like Christmas anytime
I went over there.
1035
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:19,080
They treated me really well.
1036
00:46:20,212 --> 00:46:22,214
There's where my father
had a problem.
1037
00:46:22,954 --> 00:46:24,956
He wasn't very fond of Stitch.
1038
00:46:25,434 --> 00:46:27,001
SJK 171: Stitch1 was
the tough guy,
1039
00:46:27,001 --> 00:46:28,481
the master at arms of the group.
1040
00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:29,961
He would take care of us.
1041
00:46:30,222 --> 00:46:32,441
Anybody messed with us
Stitch took care of them.
1042
00:46:32,615 --> 00:46:35,009
And I was so much a little
bit of that too also.
1043
00:46:35,183 --> 00:46:38,447
ROCKY 184: Stitch was tall, dark
and bow-legged.
1044
00:46:38,621 --> 00:46:40,014
His family came out of Cuba
1045
00:46:40,493 --> 00:46:42,495
and he just had that
face that'd just hang
1046
00:46:42,669 --> 00:46:43,757
and just wait to see
who came up.
1047
00:46:44,062 --> 00:46:47,239
Then SJK 171, myself,
and Jax5 met
1048
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,502
Snake1, Stitch1 and Cat87.
1049
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:53,245
They asked us to be members
of the Writers Corner 188.
1050
00:46:53,419 --> 00:46:55,029
Now that was kind of
a borderline
1051
00:46:55,029 --> 00:46:57,162
between the gangs
of Washington Heights.
1052
00:46:57,336 --> 00:46:59,555
Now this was a meeting place,
the safe haven.
1053
00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:01,949
Used to sit there,
spray painting that corner.
1054
00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:04,865
There used to be a Writers
Corner truck that everybody hit
1055
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:06,562
and the guy didn't seem to mind
1056
00:47:06,562 --> 00:47:08,216
cause he gave up
cleaning the truck.
1057
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:10,784
I don't remember
anybody's legal name,
1058
00:47:10,784 --> 00:47:13,439
we all knew each other
by our tag name.
1059
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:16,485
After a while all the writers
from all around the city
1060
00:47:16,485 --> 00:47:19,184
from Brooklyn, Bronx,
they would all come up there.
1061
00:47:19,184 --> 00:47:21,708
JEC#*: We hung out there,
we'd go to Writers Corner
1062
00:47:21,708 --> 00:47:23,797
to see who else was
on Writers Corner,
1063
00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:25,973
what other graffiti writers
we could meet,
1064
00:47:26,147 --> 00:47:27,845
what other styles
we could pick up.
1065
00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:29,716
ROCKY 184: It would get packed
in a matter of seconds.
1066
00:47:29,977 --> 00:47:32,066
Their markers, their cans,
where they're gonna go,
1067
00:47:32,066 --> 00:47:33,024
what they're gonna do.
1068
00:47:33,241 --> 00:47:35,504
And we kinda
combined everybody together,
1069
00:47:35,504 --> 00:47:36,636
you know, like opened up.
1070
00:47:36,984 --> 00:47:39,204
BAMA: Number one question when
you met a writer was,
1071
00:47:39,378 --> 00:47:40,727
"Do you write?"
1072
00:47:41,075 --> 00:47:44,470
And when they said
"Yes," it was, "Let's go."
1073
00:47:44,644 --> 00:47:47,952
And it wasn't looking at them
for what they looked like,
1074
00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:49,997
or who they were
or how they spoke.
1075
00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:52,391
SNAKE1: So the gangs,
the colors started coming off
1076
00:47:52,391 --> 00:47:55,524
so graffiti kind of broke down
the barrier of the gangs.
1077
00:47:55,742 --> 00:47:59,137
BAMA: It was that unification
of "We are all writers."
1078
00:47:59,311 --> 00:48:01,182
ROCKY 184: It was our spot,
our moment,
1079
00:48:01,182 --> 00:48:03,445
it was a way for me and Stitch
to always be together.
1080
00:48:05,752 --> 00:48:09,538
I look back at it as people say
1081
00:48:09,538 --> 00:48:12,150
that you gotta be
a certain age to love and feel
1082
00:48:13,716 --> 00:48:15,327
I really loved Stitch.
1083
00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:21,420
I think I-- I put him so far
in the back of my head
1084
00:48:23,509 --> 00:48:26,338
but when we talk about him,
he was
1085
00:48:27,817 --> 00:48:29,515
one true love
1086
00:48:31,996 --> 00:48:33,301
and that's how
I look at graffiti.
1087
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:37,827
Stitch1, Rocky184
equal graffiti.
1088
00:48:38,611 --> 00:48:39,786
That's how I look at it.
1089
00:48:40,265 --> 00:48:43,442
NARRATOR: Writers Corner was
the hangout spot in Manhattan,
1090
00:48:43,833 --> 00:48:45,705
but across the Brooklyn Bridge
1091
00:48:45,879 --> 00:48:49,361
writers Friendly Freddy,
Fantastic Eddie,
1092
00:48:49,535 --> 00:48:54,018
Super Goldie, Flowers Dice
and Undertaker Ash
1093
00:48:54,192 --> 00:48:56,542
as well as the gang,
The Vanguards,
1094
00:48:56,542 --> 00:48:58,109
developed a local style
1095
00:48:58,283 --> 00:49:01,112
complete with loopy
letters and lots of flair.
1096
00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:05,725
The Brooklyn writers that,
that I experienced,
1097
00:49:05,725 --> 00:49:09,859
seen the most and it was maybe
as I took several trips
1098
00:49:09,859 --> 00:49:13,907
down to Brooklyn were like
Flowers Dice, Undertaker Ash,
1099
00:49:14,081 --> 00:49:17,258
and their styles were
so much more unique
1100
00:49:17,563 --> 00:49:20,958
that it sorta created a--
1101
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,264
A need to go
back to Brooklyn more often
1102
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:24,918
to see what was happening.
1103
00:49:25,136 --> 00:49:29,314
I just, the best I can remember
Flowers Dice
1104
00:49:29,314 --> 00:49:31,925
as being something like that.
1105
00:49:31,925 --> 00:49:34,797
It was fairly simple 'cause
they were very, very early.
1106
00:49:35,407 --> 00:49:37,757
I just remember him
looping the F a bit
1107
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:42,414
and, you know, Friendly Freddy
with a bit of a flourish
1108
00:49:42,414 --> 00:49:45,721
but not, you know, like
the subsequent Brooklyn style,
1109
00:49:45,721 --> 00:49:48,768
you know, 'cause Brooklyn style
was always very fancy,
1110
00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:51,901
you know, for example,
you can do a simple N like this
1111
00:49:51,901 --> 00:49:55,470
or you could do the,
I think the knoll N like that,
1112
00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:58,996
or the vanguard fancy
Brooklyn style N.
1113
00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:05,654
The style changing from straight
letters to script, if you will,
1114
00:50:05,654 --> 00:50:09,615
or designing was an evolutionary
process, I would say.
1115
00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:14,141
Sometimes you had
to write quicker, faster,
1116
00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,579
you start incorporating art
into it.
1117
00:50:17,753 --> 00:50:19,973
LA ZAR: Personally I love
the Brooklyn style.
1118
00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:22,236
It had much more flourish to it
1119
00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:24,804
and pizzazz than any other
1120
00:50:24,978 --> 00:50:28,416
before and since other than
maybe the Philadelphia guys.
1121
00:50:28,634 --> 00:50:31,376
There are no 120's or 161's
1122
00:50:31,376 --> 00:50:32,855
or anything like that
in Brooklyn,
1123
00:50:32,986 --> 00:50:37,121
you know, all the streets have
names and I think it's perhaps
1124
00:50:37,121 --> 00:50:40,298
a more individualistic place
than some of the others.
1125
00:50:40,776 --> 00:50:44,432
Undertaker Ash, Undertaker Ash
is a good friend of mine,
1126
00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:47,609
been a friend of mine
for almost 40 years
1127
00:50:48,088 --> 00:50:51,613
and at one point in time,
in Brooklyn,
1128
00:50:51,918 --> 00:50:54,616
and if you ask real people
who have real memories,
1129
00:50:54,877 --> 00:50:57,880
Undertaker Ash was everywhere
and probably was
1130
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,839
the number one graffiti writer
in New York City.
1131
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:02,842
My name's Undertaker Ash,
it's my tag name.
1132
00:51:03,016 --> 00:51:05,236
I started writing
from 1969 to 1970.
1133
00:51:06,454 --> 00:51:09,414
Well, everyone wanted
a tag name, that's original,
1134
00:51:09,414 --> 00:51:10,850
so I always look
at the undertaker
1135
00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:12,199
as a very mystical person
1136
00:51:12,286 --> 00:51:14,419
and, you know,
he never dies in the movie,
1137
00:51:14,419 --> 00:51:16,377
he's always the last
guy in the movie to live.
1138
00:51:16,551 --> 00:51:18,814
So I said, "Well, I'm gonna use
that name, the Undertaker."
1139
00:51:20,903 --> 00:51:22,296
WICKED GARY: It was
a social thing, you know,
1140
00:51:22,296 --> 00:51:23,819
but then hanging with the guys,
1141
00:51:23,993 --> 00:51:26,431
it just elevated
to another step.
1142
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,260
There ended up being
a core group of us
1143
00:51:29,434 --> 00:51:31,523
that were hanging all
the time that were doing that.
1144
00:51:31,697 --> 00:51:35,092
And one Friday after school
1145
00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,790
we decided to go
to Dino Mars house
1146
00:51:38,138 --> 00:51:40,184
and sit down
and actually have a meeting.
1147
00:51:40,358 --> 00:51:41,533
There were
a lot of people there,
1148
00:51:41,533 --> 00:51:42,925
there were about 20
or 30 guys there.
1149
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,841
and Dino and I had
had a brilliant idea
1150
00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,844
to try to bring graffiti
artists under a banner,
1151
00:51:49,018 --> 00:51:51,151
and the organization
was the Ex Vandals.
1152
00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:54,981
They would soon become probably
the most popular
1153
00:51:55,155 --> 00:51:58,854
graffiti name out there,
at least in the Brooklyn scene.
1154
00:51:59,028 --> 00:52:01,292
What he did
was convince everybody,
1155
00:52:01,466 --> 00:52:03,120
you know, also from
a marketing standpoint,
1156
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:07,211
"Let's take a period of time,
you know, at night,
1157
00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:10,257
go to all the place that
everybody's going to see
1158
00:52:10,431 --> 00:52:12,172
and bomb the shit out of it.
1159
00:52:13,217 --> 00:52:17,438
But let's not write our names
next to Ex Vandals,
1160
00:52:17,612 --> 00:52:20,659
let's get Ex Vandals out
and create a buzz."
1161
00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:22,443
WICKED GARY:
For like the first month
1162
00:52:22,443 --> 00:52:24,445
we stopped tagging
our own names
1163
00:52:24,619 --> 00:52:26,708
and we strictly only
wrote the group name.
1164
00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:30,886
Ex Vandals was the beginning
and end-all of everything.
1165
00:52:31,583 --> 00:52:33,454
Our names came second.
1166
00:52:33,454 --> 00:52:36,153
WICKED GARY: The buzz was,
"What the fuck is an Ex Vandal?"
1167
00:52:36,327 --> 00:52:38,198
THE JOKER: People thought
the Ex Vandals was a gang.
1168
00:52:38,198 --> 00:52:40,331
They didn't realize that it was
just a graffiti movement.
1169
00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:43,769
So we figured out a way that
we could actually come out
1170
00:52:43,986 --> 00:52:45,379
and see what our reaction was.
1171
00:52:45,553 --> 00:52:48,034
So everybody painted
Ex Vandals jackets
1172
00:52:48,208 --> 00:52:50,819
and we had a plan where
the first day of the week
1173
00:52:50,993 --> 00:52:53,039
Nard would wear
his in the school.
1174
00:52:53,257 --> 00:52:56,390
The next day two more cats.
So by the end of the week
1175
00:52:56,564 --> 00:52:59,480
we had all revealed ourselves
and it was like, "Whoa!"
1176
00:52:59,741 --> 00:53:01,830
You guys are the Ex Vandals?
1177
00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:05,791
"Yo!" And just the reaction,
everybody went crazy.
1178
00:53:06,095 --> 00:53:09,098
Riders on New York City subways
are offended daily
1179
00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:11,275
by graffiti sprayed
on subway cars
1180
00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:13,581
and station walls in an
incredible profusion.
1181
00:53:14,016 --> 00:53:16,584
It's not funny. Cleaning off
the mess is expensive.
1182
00:53:16,845 --> 00:53:18,673
Over the years New York
has become known
1183
00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:21,198
for just about everything
a city can be known for
1184
00:53:21,198 --> 00:53:24,026
its crime, its wealth,
its filth, its slums,
1185
00:53:24,026 --> 00:53:26,028
its architecture,
its art museums.
1186
00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:28,509
And now it's rapidly
becoming known
1187
00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:30,511
as the graffiti capital
of the country
1188
00:53:30,511 --> 00:53:32,992
a title Philadelphia's
held for years.
1189
00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:35,516
Believe it or not
we had morals then.
1190
00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:38,258
A lot of these guys
just write on anything,
1191
00:53:38,258 --> 00:53:39,564
anybody's house, property,
1192
00:53:40,347 --> 00:53:42,393
I never wrote
on anybody's property.
1193
00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:43,916
That I know of, you know,
1194
00:53:43,916 --> 00:53:45,961
other than big businesses,
no one home,
1195
00:53:46,135 --> 00:53:47,224
I'm not gonna go up
on their door
1196
00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:48,703
and write my name on their door
1197
00:53:48,877 --> 00:53:51,663
and stuff like that, maybe in
the Projects and in the hallways
1198
00:53:51,837 --> 00:53:54,405
I might do it, you know.
I'm not justifying
1199
00:53:54,405 --> 00:53:57,451
but you know you did have some
morals about you.
1200
00:53:57,451 --> 00:53:59,366
Some guys did,
some of them didn't care,
1201
00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:01,847
they'd write on your dog if it'd
come by them, they don't care.
1202
00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:04,241
You know, but that dog oughta
walk from here to there
1203
00:54:04,415 --> 00:54:06,460
and they'll see, somebody'll
see that name.
1204
00:54:06,721 --> 00:54:08,375
We just wanted to get
in the paper.
1205
00:54:08,636 --> 00:54:11,378
So what would happen
we used to call, you know,
1206
00:54:11,378 --> 00:54:14,338
the paper and let them know
that we were gonna give it up.
1207
00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:17,079
So what we would do is,
1208
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,646
you know, they would arrange
a meeting
1209
00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:20,126
and we would come down there
1210
00:54:20,126 --> 00:54:22,041
and we would turn over
our spray paint cans
1211
00:54:22,998 --> 00:54:24,826
and tell them that we retire,
1212
00:54:25,131 --> 00:54:26,872
you know, that's it,
we wasn't writing no more.
1213
00:54:27,046 --> 00:54:28,700
And it would be in
the paper the next day.
1214
00:54:29,353 --> 00:54:31,137
But just as soon
as we left out of there
1215
00:54:31,137 --> 00:54:32,312
we started writing again.
1216
00:54:32,791 --> 00:54:34,706
I mean, we never gave,
we never quit.
1217
00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:36,360
I mean, it was just a thing
1218
00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:37,926
where we just wanted to get
in the paper.
1219
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:39,406
REPORTER:
People that say this explosion
1220
00:54:39,624 --> 00:54:43,149
is not clever graffiti,
just childish and ugly scrawl.
1221
00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:45,673
Whatever it is,
street art or vandalism,
1222
00:54:45,847 --> 00:54:47,632
it's costing
millions to rub it off.
1223
00:54:47,893 --> 00:54:50,025
SANDY: I do remember
this bubbling anger
1224
00:54:50,025 --> 00:54:51,026
in Philadelphia
1225
00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:54,378
at so many things.
There was anger at the police,
1226
00:54:54,813 --> 00:54:57,250
there was anger at
the police commissioner,
1227
00:54:57,424 --> 00:54:59,470
there was a tremendous
amount of violence.
1228
00:54:59,948 --> 00:55:01,167
NARRATOR:
At the height of wall writing
1229
00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:02,516
Timemagazine estimated
1230
00:55:02,516 --> 00:55:04,605
there were 10,000
more graffiti writers
1231
00:55:04,605 --> 00:55:05,911
in Philadelphia than New York
1232
00:55:05,911 --> 00:55:07,434
and this did not go unnoticed.
1233
00:55:07,608 --> 00:55:10,872
Then mayor Frank Rizzo issued
a full scale war on graffiti
1234
00:55:11,046 --> 00:55:12,700
with an anti-graffiti campaign.
1235
00:55:12,874 --> 00:55:14,093
His ultimate goal was to put
1236
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:16,051
as many writers
in jail as he could.
1237
00:55:16,225 --> 00:55:19,185
The Philadelphia Art Museum
responded with the DUO,
1238
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,449
Department of Urban Outreach,
which gave positive options
1239
00:55:22,623 --> 00:55:24,016
and brought new opportunities
1240
00:55:24,016 --> 00:55:25,452
for Philadelphia's
wall writers,
1241
00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:28,629
ranging from mural projects
to sponsoring a city bus
1242
00:55:28,629 --> 00:55:30,239
to be painted by the vandals.
1243
00:55:30,631 --> 00:55:32,154
CORNBREAD: The graffiti
attended the workshop
1244
00:55:32,154 --> 00:55:34,243
invited all these kids
1245
00:55:34,418 --> 00:55:39,074
to do graffiti in a constructive
way and possibly get paid
1246
00:55:39,248 --> 00:55:42,904
as opposed to doing graffiti
damaging people's property.
1247
00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:48,823
SEPTA gave us a bus to paint
and we had a multicolored bus.
1248
00:55:48,823 --> 00:55:50,303
We had paint-- you know,
there was a design
1249
00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:51,478
we put on paper first
1250
00:55:51,652 --> 00:55:53,262
and then we took this bus
and we painted it,
1251
00:55:53,437 --> 00:55:55,874
it rode through our neighborhood
and anytime that bus came
1252
00:55:55,874 --> 00:55:57,702
around we were allowed
to ride on it.
1253
00:55:58,050 --> 00:55:59,573
Free. Free of charge.
1254
00:55:59,834 --> 00:56:01,053
And the funny thing about it,
1255
00:56:01,706 --> 00:56:04,752
out of respect,
nobody never rode on that bus.
1256
00:56:05,231 --> 00:56:07,799
This is the graffiti
workshop's bus.
1257
00:56:10,715 --> 00:56:12,369
NARRATOR: There was
a certain purity
1258
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,849
to what the first generation
of writers did
1259
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:18,244
because there was no payoff
to it other than local fame.
1260
00:56:19,288 --> 00:56:21,769
That changed in 1972.
1261
00:56:23,292 --> 00:56:24,990
HENRY 161: What happened was
we're hanging out
1262
00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:27,906
at 174th and Fort Washington
1263
00:56:29,037 --> 00:56:31,475
and we're hanging out
on the wall,
1264
00:56:31,475 --> 00:56:32,737
there's this big wall
1265
00:56:32,737 --> 00:56:35,522
that we used to sit
on and the entrance
1266
00:56:35,696 --> 00:56:37,394
to the park was like
in the middle.
1267
00:56:37,568 --> 00:56:41,398
Well, here comes this old
gentleman, beard, glasses
1268
00:56:41,615 --> 00:56:45,227
and he's asking for
names of writers
1269
00:56:45,227 --> 00:56:47,012
and he comes up with my name.
1270
00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:49,493
He says, "I'm looking
for Henry161,
1271
00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:52,017
for Snake, Joe182."
1272
00:56:52,191 --> 00:56:54,454
And he's asking
do we know Stitch1?
1273
00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:59,807
Older gentleman.
Says his name is Hugo Martinez.
1274
00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:02,375
We didn't know who he was,
we maybe, you know,
1275
00:57:02,375 --> 00:57:04,595
thought he was a police officer
so we didn't tell him anything.
1276
00:57:05,247 --> 00:57:06,814
He told us he wasn't
a police officer
1277
00:57:06,814 --> 00:57:08,076
he said he wanted to do
some things,
1278
00:57:08,076 --> 00:57:09,991
wanted to get the graffiti
off of the street,
1279
00:57:10,383 --> 00:57:12,167
put the graffiti on canvases,
1280
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,343
make the graffiti
known to people.
1281
00:57:14,343 --> 00:57:15,432
He called it art.
1282
00:57:15,606 --> 00:57:16,868
COCO 144:
My understanding is that
1283
00:57:16,998 --> 00:57:19,653
Hugo was a student
of Sociology at City College,
1284
00:57:19,827 --> 00:57:21,916
he wanted to mimic
what was going on
1285
00:57:21,916 --> 00:57:23,135
in the streets and the subways
1286
00:57:23,309 --> 00:57:25,616
in the college art room.
1287
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,834
The word got around
1288
00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:28,836
that "We're gonna
meet this day at City College"
1289
00:57:29,097 --> 00:57:32,187
and so we still didn't know
if we should trust this guy.
1290
00:57:32,797 --> 00:57:35,930
So me, Stitch,
I guess Cat, Web2
1291
00:57:37,758 --> 00:57:39,456
we went to City College
1292
00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:41,283
but we couldn't find
the building
1293
00:57:41,283 --> 00:57:42,850
where this was taking place.
1294
00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:46,680
So we just kept walking
in all the buildings.
1295
00:57:47,681 --> 00:57:49,204
Finally we walked into
this one building
1296
00:57:49,204 --> 00:57:50,597
and all we smelled
was spray paint,
1297
00:57:50,597 --> 00:57:52,251
we said,
"Yep, this is the place."
1298
00:57:52,425 --> 00:57:54,209
It was like walking into Heaven
1299
00:57:54,209 --> 00:57:57,909
because we had all this
beautiful white clean paper
1300
00:57:58,344 --> 00:57:59,911
and all these markers.
1301
00:58:00,302 --> 00:58:02,348
And-- We used to have
to rob our markers
1302
00:58:02,348 --> 00:58:03,697
and our spray paint.
1303
00:58:03,915 --> 00:58:07,309
So, for us to see all that
there for free was fascinating.
1304
00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:09,094
And we just went to work
1305
00:58:09,094 --> 00:58:11,096
and started draw-- We spent
about two or three hours
1306
00:58:11,096 --> 00:58:13,490
in there just writing
and painting
1307
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,796
and by the time we were done
1308
00:58:16,405 --> 00:58:20,801
Hugo was like,
"Oh, my god, that's beautiful!"
1309
00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:25,763
NARRATOR: Martinez organized 20
of the top graffiti writers
1310
00:58:25,763 --> 00:58:28,635
and founded
United Graffiti Artists,
1311
00:58:28,635 --> 00:58:33,161
UGA in an attempt
to take graffiti off the streets
1312
00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:34,598
and into galleries.
1313
00:58:35,468 --> 00:58:39,733
UGA included writers
such as Coco144,
1314
00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:47,088
SJK171, Phasetwo,
Snake1, Bama, and Mike171.
1315
00:58:49,351 --> 00:58:53,355
LA ZAR: UGA brought together
some of the best at the time
1316
00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:57,708
and enabled them
to start to transcend
1317
00:58:57,882 --> 00:59:02,974
the former criminal activity
into a accepted format
1318
00:59:03,148 --> 00:59:07,674
and started the movement
of so called "graffiti art."
1319
00:59:07,848 --> 00:59:10,329
COCO 144: It was actually
a creative environment
1320
00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:14,115
where you could
pretty much write, paint, draw
1321
00:59:14,115 --> 00:59:15,987
what you always wanted
1322
00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:17,945
to write, paint,
and draw on a train.
1323
00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:19,904
MIKE 171: Hugo works it
with big city
1324
00:59:20,078 --> 00:59:23,777
that if we stop hitting city
municipal buildings
1325
00:59:23,951 --> 00:59:27,651
and trains, buses,
they'd give us a workshop
1326
00:59:27,999 --> 00:59:30,784
and they would give us canvases
and spray paint
1327
00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:33,657
so we made a contract
not to go out there
1328
00:59:34,092 --> 00:59:37,661
and put our art on canvases.
1329
00:59:38,618 --> 00:59:41,490
REPORTER: This group is called
Graffiti Artists United.
1330
00:59:41,752 --> 00:59:44,581
They meet in the apartment
of a sociology student
1331
00:59:44,755 --> 00:59:46,539
who has encouraged
them to go straight.
1332
00:59:46,757 --> 00:59:48,454
Everyone who's a member
1333
00:59:48,454 --> 00:59:50,543
has given up subways
and public walls
1334
00:59:50,717 --> 00:59:53,502
and has turned instead
to canvas or paper
1335
00:59:53,851 --> 00:59:56,549
or the sociology
student's bathroom walls.
1336
00:59:57,463 --> 00:59:59,726
Although these particular
graffiti artists
1337
00:59:59,726 --> 01:00:00,945
paint legit now,
1338
01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:04,862
they still remember the good
old days, last week or so.
1339
01:00:06,124 --> 01:00:07,473
REPORTER:
Did you ever get arrested?
1340
01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:08,387
Once.
1341
01:00:09,649 --> 01:00:11,346
REPORTER:
Did you do it again after that?
1342
01:00:11,346 --> 01:00:12,739
COCO 144: Couple of times.
1343
01:00:13,087 --> 01:00:14,306
REPORTER: How come?
1344
01:00:15,002 --> 01:00:17,701
Because I just wanted, you know,
I wanted to get known
1345
01:00:18,397 --> 01:00:21,443
and, like, then I made
a lot of new friends.
1346
01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:22,749
You know, after you go out,
1347
01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:24,142
you know,
after you're in the yards
1348
01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:27,885
and you write your name on
every train like the day later
1349
01:00:27,885 --> 01:00:29,756
when they come out you just sit,
you know,
1350
01:00:29,756 --> 01:00:30,888
in the station the whole day
1351
01:00:30,888 --> 01:00:32,585
and just watch
the trains going by
1352
01:00:32,585 --> 01:00:34,456
in different colors
in your names.
1353
01:00:35,457 --> 01:00:37,459
WICKED GARY: Well I give him
a lot of props for his concept,
1354
01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:39,374
to put 20 of
the top artists together
1355
01:00:39,548 --> 01:00:42,334
and have it be formed
by the peers.
1356
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:44,510
It took a lot of things
to conceptualize.
1357
01:00:44,684 --> 01:00:47,556
We had meetings, you know, we
decided where we wanted to go,
1358
01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:50,342
what we wanted to do,
what kind of materials to buy.
1359
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,649
Pretty much everybody
took on a responsibility.
1360
01:00:52,823 --> 01:00:55,303
He started selling
a lot of our paintings
1361
01:00:55,477 --> 01:00:58,524
and he said that he
was selling our paintings
1362
01:00:58,742 --> 01:01:01,919
so that we could have
more materials to do this.
1363
01:01:02,267 --> 01:01:03,485
So we said, "Okay."
1364
01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:05,096
We agreed to it. We were young,
1365
01:01:05,096 --> 01:01:06,401
we didn't know
what was going on.
1366
01:01:06,488 --> 01:01:08,752
All we knew was that
we was getting free markers
1367
01:01:08,752 --> 01:01:11,015
and spray paint to do graffiti.
1368
01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:13,974
We were getting paid. We thought
we were getting paid.
1369
01:01:14,148 --> 01:01:18,370
He had people that wanted
their apartments graffit'd
1370
01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:20,328
but I don't mean people
from the Heights,
1371
01:01:20,328 --> 01:01:23,070
I mean people from Downtown,
Park Avenue, 5th Avenue.
1372
01:01:23,244 --> 01:01:26,552
People inviting us just to write
on their walls and stuff
1373
01:01:26,552 --> 01:01:28,336
while everyone's partying
1374
01:01:28,336 --> 01:01:30,599
and we're exposed
to like this high society.
1375
01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,558
UGA was the first group
1376
01:01:32,558 --> 01:01:34,734
to actually sell
graffiti on canvas.
1377
01:01:35,256 --> 01:01:37,563
UGA is what ground broke
1378
01:01:37,563 --> 01:01:39,521
the writing culture
into the art world.
1379
01:01:40,087 --> 01:01:42,046
BAMA:
Bill Hart from the Reza Gallery
1380
01:01:42,046 --> 01:01:43,874
walked up
and handed me my check.
1381
01:01:44,526 --> 01:01:48,617
And I went, "What? How much do
you get?" He goes, "I got mine"
1382
01:01:49,183 --> 01:01:53,710
I said, "Oh? This is mine?
Thank you."
1383
01:01:53,927 --> 01:01:56,451
When we did the Joffrey Ballet,
1384
01:01:56,756 --> 01:01:59,498
you know, here I'm a kid I'm
15, 16-years-old,
1385
01:01:59,672 --> 01:02:01,152
I'm getting a standing ovation
1386
01:02:01,152 --> 01:02:02,936
in the City Center,
New York City,
1387
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:05,025
I'd never imagined this
was gonna happen.
1388
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:08,768
And how good it made me feel
about myself and how good
1389
01:02:08,768 --> 01:02:11,423
it made everybody else
that participated in it feel.
1390
01:02:11,423 --> 01:02:13,207
I can't even explain it
in words, man,
1391
01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:17,124
it was just living,
it was grand.
1392
01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:21,346
NARRATOR: UGA introduced
graffiti to the world at large
1393
01:02:21,781 --> 01:02:23,696
and it was a positive experience
1394
01:02:23,696 --> 01:02:25,785
for many
of the writers involved.
1395
01:02:26,307 --> 01:02:29,136
Some, however,
have different opinions.
1396
01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:31,269
ROCKY 184: Hugo capitalized.
1397
01:02:31,922 --> 01:02:33,880
Nobody cared about the money,
but you know,
1398
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,316
you talk about people
that we need money,
1399
01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:37,188
we're getting older,
want to do things,
1400
01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:41,409
so, yeah he caught your ear,
caught your eye, the green,
1401
01:02:41,975 --> 01:02:44,282
and I feel he sold
a lot of pipe dreams.
1402
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:48,199
Hugo wasn't promoting them,
you know, the writers,
1403
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:49,809
Hugo was promoting Hugo.
1404
01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:52,725
MIKE 171: But after you're doing
galleries, you're doing shows,
1405
01:02:52,725 --> 01:02:55,206
money's coming in
and we're not seeing a penny
1406
01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:59,166
red lights go up,
the flares go up, you know?
1407
01:02:59,166 --> 01:03:00,777
That he's not the one out
there spray painting,
1408
01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:03,127
he's not the one spending
the whole night up in the yard
1409
01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:04,606
getting paint on you.
1410
01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:06,652
Then we come back
all soaked
1411
01:03:06,652 --> 01:03:09,133
and peeling shit off for
hours off our hands
1412
01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:11,309
and faces and changing our
clothes, you know what I mean?
1413
01:03:11,309 --> 01:03:13,267
We're the foot soldiers
that did all this stuff.
1414
01:03:13,572 --> 01:03:15,922
And he comes over
and becomes a glory hound.
1415
01:03:16,096 --> 01:03:17,315
And he wants it all for himself
1416
01:03:17,402 --> 01:03:20,057
and you know, New York,
don't go that way.
1417
01:03:20,448 --> 01:03:22,929
So one day we confronted Hugo,
1418
01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:26,498
Russ and the guys, me,
Henry161, a few other guys.
1419
01:03:26,498 --> 01:03:30,371
We bum rushed inside and we
just tore the place up.
1420
01:03:30,371 --> 01:03:32,373
I told Hugo, "You got our money,
what are you doing?"
1421
01:03:32,373 --> 01:03:34,158
Blah, blah, blah, you know,
"You come in our neighborhood,
1422
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,377
and you do this to us,
you can't do that,
1423
01:03:36,377 --> 01:03:37,291
we're not allowing this."
1424
01:03:37,944 --> 01:03:40,425
While everybody was trashing
the place I was trashing Hugo
1425
01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:43,167
because I didn't care about
none of the materials.
1426
01:03:43,341 --> 01:03:45,952
All I wanted was to crack
his head.
1427
01:03:45,952 --> 01:03:48,215
And I really did. Good too.
1428
01:03:48,389 --> 01:03:53,655
Henry161, myself, Joe all these
guys came with bats, chains,
1429
01:03:53,655 --> 01:03:57,050
stickball bats, stuff like that,
and they went upside Hugo's head
1430
01:03:57,616 --> 01:03:59,313
and a couple of the other
guys that stood in the way.
1431
01:04:04,144 --> 01:04:07,060
ROCKY 184: Yeah, I feel graffiti
lost a lot of its purity
1432
01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:08,148
with Hugo, yeah.
1433
01:04:09,497 --> 01:04:12,239
People were, you know,
saddened and, you know,
1434
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:13,458
everybody just broke away.
1435
01:04:15,025 --> 01:04:18,202
NARRATOR: No matter what
the writers' experiences were
1436
01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:21,248
UGA changed graffiti forever.
1437
01:04:21,683 --> 01:04:25,252
It marked the beginning of
a multi-million dollar industry
1438
01:04:25,557 --> 01:04:29,691
but as some would say,
the end of graffiti's innocence.
1439
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,130
Remember Kilroy the peripatetic
G-I of World War II
1440
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:34,566
who was always there?
1441
01:04:35,045 --> 01:04:36,133
Well, he's not here now.
1442
01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:39,440
And anyway,
he'd never made his mark
1443
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,442
where the graffiti experts
of today.
1444
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:44,097
That's because he didn't have
a spray paint can
1445
01:04:44,097 --> 01:04:45,316
and a felt tip pen,
1446
01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:48,449
for these are the real villains
of the graffiti explosion.
1447
01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:51,800
Quick and easy to use
and difficult to erase.
1448
01:04:53,019 --> 01:04:54,586
REPORTER: It occurred to us
to interview
1449
01:04:54,586 --> 01:04:57,241
some of these people,
those who leave their marks,
1450
01:04:57,632 --> 01:04:58,503
but that would be giving them
1451
01:04:58,807 --> 01:05:00,200
too much of the recognition
they seek.
1452
01:05:00,853 --> 01:05:04,117
They have their medium and their
medium is perhaps the message,
1453
01:05:04,683 --> 01:05:06,815
a callous disregard for society
1454
01:05:06,815 --> 01:05:09,079
and a vain attempt
to be somebody.
1455
01:05:10,471 --> 01:05:13,561
WICKED GARY: Moments like
New York magazine are key
1456
01:05:13,561 --> 01:05:17,696
because cats were only getting
props from other writers
1457
01:05:17,696 --> 01:05:18,958
and the people
in their neighborhoods
1458
01:05:18,958 --> 01:05:20,220
who knew what the deal was.
1459
01:05:20,568 --> 01:05:23,658
The minute it came out
in the Magazine
1460
01:05:23,658 --> 01:05:26,139
it was like media coverage
1461
01:05:26,357 --> 01:05:29,882
and that took an awareness
to a whole 'nother level
1462
01:05:30,056 --> 01:05:32,406
and gave the press
that much more juice
1463
01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:35,670
and it became a whole
'nother ballgame after that.
1464
01:05:35,844 --> 01:05:37,846
The fame and the article
and once the newspaper
1465
01:05:37,846 --> 01:05:41,067
and television picked it
up really hurt the graffiti
1466
01:05:41,067 --> 01:05:44,157
because then everybody started
doing it and it got out of hand.
1467
01:05:45,332 --> 01:05:48,596
Graffiti is a fancy word
for an old custom,
1468
01:05:48,596 --> 01:05:50,424
writing things on walls.
1469
01:05:50,729 --> 01:05:53,079
The thing that really
made me crazy
1470
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:54,994
is when they made Turk 182,
1471
01:05:55,864 --> 01:06:00,347
the movie, it was like,
you know, did the guy just said
1472
01:06:00,347 --> 01:06:04,308
"Let's call it Turk 182?"
I mean, he had to base it on me,
1473
01:06:04,569 --> 01:06:07,093
the name, obviously the movie
wasn't based on me."
1474
01:06:07,267 --> 01:06:10,053
Three weeks ago he hit
the Battery Park,
1475
01:06:10,357 --> 01:06:14,361
a week later the super train,
now it's everywhere.
1476
01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:17,495
GREG 69: I remember
the movieTurk 182
1477
01:06:17,495 --> 01:06:19,758
and right away
I thought of Taki,
1478
01:06:19,758 --> 01:06:22,891
you know.
And I hadn't seen Taki in years
1479
01:06:22,891 --> 01:06:25,807
but right away
I went right to Taki.
1480
01:06:25,807 --> 01:06:27,461
TAKI 183: WhenTurk 182
1481
01:06:27,461 --> 01:06:29,986
came out everybody said,
"They're using your name."
1482
01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:31,509
I want to talk to you, Turk.
1483
01:06:31,509 --> 01:06:33,772
Because it was
a subliminal thing.
1484
01:06:35,208 --> 01:06:39,604
People were reading Turk 182
but they were seeing Taki183.
1485
01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:42,868
I called up Taki when
the movie Turk 182came out
1486
01:06:42,868 --> 01:06:44,087
and I asked him,
"Did you consult
1487
01:06:44,087 --> 01:06:45,740
or did you get any money
on it or something?"
1488
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:47,177
He goes, "No" and I go
"Oh, okay, whatever,"
1489
01:06:47,177 --> 01:06:48,395
we just laughed about it.
1490
01:06:48,830 --> 01:06:50,093
NARRATOR: Although Taki
could laugh
1491
01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:52,008
at a Hollywood movie
stealing his name
1492
01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,880
and inadvertently bringing
him even more fame,
1493
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,752
not everyone else was willing to
take the commercialization
1494
01:06:57,752 --> 01:06:59,102
of graffiti so lightly.
1495
01:06:59,276 --> 01:07:03,019
The graffiti changed once
that dollar figure came in,
1496
01:07:03,976 --> 01:07:06,718
Joffrey Ballet and the first
painting were sold.
1497
01:07:07,632 --> 01:07:10,156
It took the purity
of what we were doing
1498
01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:12,071
out of it
'cause there was no value,
1499
01:07:12,071 --> 01:07:14,160
there was-- It was priceless.
1500
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,509
It was like "Mona Lisa",
1501
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:17,511
you know, this was our worth,
1502
01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,905
this was from our hearts,
this was our souls.
1503
01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:21,472
This is the life we were living,
1504
01:07:21,472 --> 01:07:23,604
the hardship that
I just shared with you guys.
1505
01:07:24,083 --> 01:07:27,391
CHILD: I think if they stop
placing names in the newspapers
1506
01:07:27,391 --> 01:07:29,045
maybe they would stop doing it.
1507
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,916
REPORTER: And then maybe
even we shouldn't be here.
1508
01:07:30,916 --> 01:07:34,398
No, like, ya'll throw--
When they spray their name
1509
01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:36,356
they want it to be shown
on the newspaper,
1510
01:07:36,356 --> 01:07:38,532
but ya'll show it and they
get what they want.
1511
01:07:38,532 --> 01:07:39,707
But if ya'll stop,
1512
01:07:39,794 --> 01:07:41,883
if ya'll won't show it on
the papers no more
1513
01:07:41,883 --> 01:07:44,016
they won't do it, 'cause they
know it ain't gonna get around.
1514
01:07:44,016 --> 01:07:45,365
NARRATOR:
Although we'll never know
1515
01:07:45,365 --> 01:07:47,846
if Philadelphia or New York
started graffiti,
1516
01:07:47,846 --> 01:07:50,588
it should come as no surprise
that they both experienced
1517
01:07:50,588 --> 01:07:53,591
the bittersweet end of
wall writing's innocence,
1518
01:07:53,591 --> 01:07:56,202
the ideas that appealed to
the first generation of writers
1519
01:07:56,202 --> 01:07:58,422
to start writing in the first
place would ironically
1520
01:07:58,422 --> 01:08:01,077
be the same ideas
to sway the wall writers
1521
01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:03,688
as their opinions toward
graffiti began to shift.
1522
01:08:03,905 --> 01:08:06,386
TAKI 183: See, by 1972
I had stopped writing.
1523
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,390
It just--
There was nothing else to do.
1524
01:08:11,478 --> 01:08:13,828
I was a writer of convenience.
1525
01:08:14,438 --> 01:08:16,135
If I was there and it was
easy I would do it.
1526
01:08:16,570 --> 01:08:19,660
But it was never
important to compete.
1527
01:08:20,357 --> 01:08:22,663
You know, I didn't want
to start hanging off bridges
1528
01:08:22,663 --> 01:08:24,665
and going into train yards
1529
01:08:25,449 --> 01:08:28,016
just like I never considered
myself an artist,
1530
01:08:28,191 --> 01:08:29,583
at some point,
1531
01:08:29,670 --> 01:08:32,412
the guys that were doing it,
they have such fancy stuff
1532
01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:35,850
and they're switching nozzles on
cans to get different effects.
1533
01:08:37,243 --> 01:08:38,984
And that was--
That was like, over my head.
1534
01:08:40,420 --> 01:08:42,205
LAZ ZAR: The fact that
graffiti has become
1535
01:08:42,205 --> 01:08:43,684
a multi-million dollar industry,
1536
01:08:43,858 --> 01:08:45,860
to me, is absolutely insane.
1537
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:49,690
The commercialization
of anything and everything
1538
01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:52,258
is a particularly
American phenomenon
1539
01:08:52,258 --> 01:08:53,868
so I'm not surprised about it.
1540
01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:58,612
There is nothing that America as
a country hasn't commercialized
1541
01:08:58,786 --> 01:09:02,094
and seeing as that
I never made a dime
1542
01:09:02,094 --> 01:09:04,096
selling any canvas to anyone
1543
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:08,927
I have always been a tagger,
wall writer, and agree
1544
01:09:08,927 --> 01:09:11,321
that if you want to do
this kind of stuff,
1545
01:09:11,321 --> 01:09:12,191
I wouldn't say break the law,
1546
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:14,193
but if you want to throw
something up on a wall
1547
01:09:14,193 --> 01:09:15,499
and appreciate it
1548
01:09:15,716 --> 01:09:19,590
for what it does to that wall,
that's the essence of it.
1549
01:09:19,894 --> 01:09:24,725
You're not tailoring what you do
to satisfy a specific audience
1550
01:09:24,725 --> 01:09:26,553
that's external to yourself.
1551
01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:30,035
What we did as kids
had nothing to do
1552
01:09:30,035 --> 01:09:31,993
with anyone outside
of our world.
1553
01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:33,952
We were just being us,
1554
01:09:34,082 --> 01:09:36,476
which ended up starting
this movement,
1555
01:09:36,476 --> 01:09:37,782
which is now a culture.
1556
01:09:37,956 --> 01:09:41,525
Graffiti, to us,
wasn't just writing your name,
1557
01:09:41,525 --> 01:09:43,918
graffiti was an expression
of how you dressed,
1558
01:09:44,528 --> 01:09:45,572
how you danced
1559
01:09:45,833 --> 01:09:50,142
and how you reacted
with the youth around you.
1560
01:09:50,447 --> 01:09:56,148
If you think about this art
form from 1969 to 1972,
1561
01:09:56,714 --> 01:10:01,632
all the major innovations
happened in those few years
1562
01:10:02,067 --> 01:10:04,417
'cause it went from
simple marker hits
1563
01:10:04,852 --> 01:10:08,247
to massive spray
paint extravaganzas.
1564
01:10:08,726 --> 01:10:11,076
JEC#*: It all adds up
to one big story.
1565
01:10:11,076 --> 01:10:13,121
We were just--
1566
01:10:13,121 --> 01:10:15,428
Didn't have anything
to do at the time, you know?
1567
01:10:15,907 --> 01:10:17,256
Sports, if you weren't
good at it,
1568
01:10:17,256 --> 01:10:18,692
if you weren't
involved in a gang,
1569
01:10:19,432 --> 01:10:21,347
you didn't have
anything else to do.
1570
01:10:21,347 --> 01:10:22,696
"Let's go write on a subway."
1571
01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:26,222
And I look at it today
all these years later
1572
01:10:26,396 --> 01:10:29,268
and I'm fascinated by new names
1573
01:10:29,442 --> 01:10:32,880
and I wonder if
the reasons for why kids
1574
01:10:33,054 --> 01:10:35,535
did their writing
is still the same.
1575
01:10:36,275 --> 01:10:39,365
If I were a betting person
I would bet that it is.
1576
01:10:40,584 --> 01:10:43,151
So to all you people that
1577
01:10:43,151 --> 01:10:46,981
had to paint your walls over
and over and over
1578
01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:51,116
dot, dot, dot, dot, etc...
1579
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:53,771
I-- I apologize to you
from the bottom of my heart.
1580
01:10:53,945 --> 01:10:55,512
TAKI 183:
Graffiti is attractive to kids
1581
01:10:55,512 --> 01:10:58,776
'cause it's a cheap way
to get notoriety.
1582
01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:00,604
If you're not a great athlete,
1583
01:11:00,995 --> 01:11:04,390
you're not a great scholar, you
can always be a great writer.
1584
01:11:04,608 --> 01:11:06,305
You know, you walk
into a places and say,
1585
01:11:06,305 --> 01:11:08,394
"Well, that's the guy that
scores the most baskets
1586
01:11:08,394 --> 01:11:10,222
and that's the guy
that writes a lot."
1587
01:11:11,049 --> 01:11:12,093
COWYBOY: Back then these were
1588
01:11:12,398 --> 01:11:14,357
the celebrities because
they were all over.
1589
01:11:14,531 --> 01:11:17,316
Everybody knew them. Even if you
didn't know them personally,
1590
01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:18,491
you knew the name.
1591
01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:20,885
JOE 182: Yeah, generally it was
an addiction of the fame.
1592
01:11:20,885 --> 01:11:22,060
Before I got the job.
1593
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:26,673
For me, I just live for today,
you know, yesterday's history,
1594
01:11:26,673 --> 01:11:28,545
tomorrow's a mystery so
I live it to the fullest.
1595
01:11:29,154 --> 01:11:30,677
'Cause the worst already
happened to me,
1596
01:11:30,677 --> 01:11:32,679
the worse you could do
is cage me up, put me in jail,
1597
01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:34,464
whatever, you're not gonna
take away who I am.
1598
01:11:34,899 --> 01:11:37,684
You know, and so graffiti was
a way of me expressing myself,
1599
01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:41,558
putting it out as you see.
Mike171 to you with love.
1600
01:11:42,036 --> 01:11:44,735
SD Om: And I think the reason
why it was never legalized
1601
01:11:44,735 --> 01:11:47,259
or never sanctioned was because
1602
01:11:48,565 --> 01:11:52,438
they're afraid of freedom, you
know, not you, but, you know,
1603
01:11:52,656 --> 01:11:56,094
they're afraid of freedom
of speech and thought.
1604
01:11:56,268 --> 01:11:58,531
They don't really want
that to exist.
1605
01:11:59,489 --> 01:12:00,968
And there were no leaders
1606
01:12:00,968 --> 01:12:03,667
and there was no schools,
no institutions.
1607
01:12:04,102 --> 01:12:08,193
The people themselves developed
it and they got together
1608
01:12:08,193 --> 01:12:10,978
and found out that the
differences between each other
1609
01:12:11,196 --> 01:12:12,937
weren't so different after all.
1610
01:12:12,937 --> 01:12:14,591
ROCKY 184:
We were family to each other
1611
01:12:14,591 --> 01:12:16,506
and we made
each other feel important.
1612
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,770
We showed each other love.
And graffiti did that.
1613
01:12:20,727 --> 01:12:21,772
LITTLE PHIL:
Phil went his way
1614
01:12:21,772 --> 01:12:24,035
and I haven't seen him
in 35 years
1615
01:12:24,035 --> 01:12:25,558
even though I do see Greg.
1616
01:12:25,819 --> 01:12:28,344
Taki we were friends, we grew up
1617
01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,258
but we didn't communicate
afterwards
1618
01:12:30,258 --> 01:12:33,653
so it's really neat,
I mean, 35 years later
1619
01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:35,438
I would have never imagined that
1620
01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:37,353
graffiti would bring us
all together.
1621
01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:39,006
-I'm glad you came out, man.
-GREG 69: Yeah.
1622
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:41,313
-TAKI 183: Yeah.
-GREG 69: And was full circle.
1623
01:12:41,487 --> 01:12:44,011
GREG 69: It was fun, it was
a nice time in my life,
1624
01:12:44,272 --> 01:12:46,100
I cherish it, they
were good friends.
1625
01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:51,410
You're getting me to cry, man.
I'm a sensitive guy.
1626
01:12:52,411 --> 01:12:56,415
I'm glad that at least
it spawned artists.
1627
01:12:56,676 --> 01:12:59,244
That, to me,
I sorta like that.
1628
01:12:59,418 --> 01:13:00,854
JAG: And once everybody's
doing something,
1629
01:13:00,854 --> 01:13:02,639
you're nobody, you know,
you know,
1630
01:13:02,943 --> 01:13:05,206
even if you say "I was the first
one" people are like, "So what?
1631
01:13:05,206 --> 01:13:06,599
Somebody's doing it bigger
and better
1632
01:13:06,599 --> 01:13:07,861
and you're no longer
the celebrity."
1633
01:13:08,035 --> 01:13:09,472
I had a great time with it.
1634
01:13:09,646 --> 01:13:11,952
And I'm proud to say
I was an originator.
1635
01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:13,867
I was a, you know, the first
ones to do it, yeah?
1636
01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:16,957
Yeah, I made my mark.
And I did something new.
1637
01:13:17,088 --> 01:13:21,527
I-- We were crying out
to notice me, you know,
1638
01:13:21,919 --> 01:13:23,921
Here I am, The Kidd!
1639
01:13:23,921 --> 01:13:26,184
Stop the world,
let me off, you know,
1640
01:13:26,184 --> 01:13:28,578
or "Cool Earl is love,"
1641
01:13:28,578 --> 01:13:30,797
you know,
"Cornbread, King of the Walls."
1642
01:13:30,797 --> 01:13:33,670
I had put my time in,
I established my reputation,
1643
01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:35,585
I did things that no other
body's going to do,
1644
01:13:35,933 --> 01:13:39,066
so my time had expired, my time
is over, it's over for me.
1645
01:13:41,242 --> 01:13:43,636
I've been called a legend
in my own time
1646
01:13:43,636 --> 01:13:45,595
so you can't get
much better than that.
1647
01:13:46,509 --> 01:13:48,336
How many guys
get called legends?
1648
01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:52,123
That's pretty cool I guess
you can't get better than that.
1649
01:13:58,651 --> 01:14:00,131
REPORTER: What do you
think about graffiti?
1650
01:14:00,348 --> 01:14:02,525
-WOMAN: What's that?
-REPORTER: Writing on the walls.
1651
01:14:02,916 --> 01:14:05,397
WOMAN: I think it's pretty
over there, you don't like that?
1652
01:14:05,658 --> 01:14:07,399
Or to make their parents
pay for it.
1653
01:14:07,704 --> 01:14:11,011
Every one of them,
lock them up, lock them up.
1654
01:14:11,229 --> 01:14:13,100
REPORTER: What do you think
about the writing on the wall?
1655
01:14:14,275 --> 01:14:16,321
-I don't know. No.
-REPORTER: You don't know?
1656
01:14:16,495 --> 01:14:17,931
REPORTER: You like it,
not like it?
1657
01:14:17,931 --> 01:14:18,845
I don't like it.
1658
01:14:19,367 --> 01:14:20,804
REPORTER: You don't like it?
Why don't you like it?
1659
01:14:22,501 --> 01:14:24,285
WOMAN: Well, because it doesn't
look very nice.
1660
01:14:25,722 --> 01:14:27,550
WOMAN: I don't know what
they're trying to say.
1661
01:14:27,724 --> 01:14:30,030
MAN: As long as there's no
profanity around it's all right.
1662
01:14:31,118 --> 01:14:33,120
REPORTER: Usually there is
no profanity in it,
1663
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,687
they're usually names
and...
1664
01:14:34,687 --> 01:14:39,344
Well, it's bad, yeah
you're right, I agree with you
1665
01:14:39,344 --> 01:14:43,870
I do think it would be
a good thing if they could catch
1666
01:14:43,870 --> 01:14:47,613
the culprit or the culprits who
are responsible
1667
01:14:47,613 --> 01:14:49,659
for desecrating the walls.
1668
01:14:49,833 --> 01:14:51,748
WOMAN:
I think it's entertaining.
1669
01:14:52,662 --> 01:14:54,402
I think they're very pertinent,
1670
01:14:54,402 --> 01:14:56,709
they're very catching
and they're very truthful
1671
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:59,364
and they're presented
in a really good way.
1672
01:14:59,625 --> 01:15:04,238
WOMAN: It's conveying a socially
constructive message, isn't it?
1673
01:15:05,065 --> 01:15:08,416
The others get a message but
in order to understand it
1674
01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:12,029
you have to understand so much
more about the people
1675
01:15:12,029 --> 01:15:14,118
who wrote the message.
1676
01:15:14,118 --> 01:15:16,337
WOMAN: If it's not channeled,
1677
01:15:16,337 --> 01:15:18,514
the kids are just going
to continue to do it.
1678
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:19,863
They have a lot of energy.
1679
01:15:20,037 --> 01:15:23,519
You know, take this energy
potential and put it to use.
1680
01:15:23,693 --> 01:15:24,998
MAN: It's already legal
1681
01:15:24,998 --> 01:15:26,260
as long as you don't write
on my wall,
1682
01:15:26,434 --> 01:15:28,045
you know, but it makes sense.
1683
01:15:28,436 --> 01:15:30,090
It does make a lotta sense.
1684
01:15:30,482 --> 01:15:33,137
I think that's the crux
of the problem.
1685
01:15:33,137 --> 01:15:34,530
[LAUGHING]
1686
01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:42,102
♪ [MUSIC]
1687
01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:15,386
My life post-graffiti is
1688
01:18:17,562 --> 01:18:19,564
I'm glad I don't carry
a marker around
1689
01:18:19,564 --> 01:18:22,523
because I'm always tempted
to write.
1690
01:18:22,523 --> 01:18:25,004
[LAUGHING]
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