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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,703 --> 00:00:10,401 The Vandals were a tribe of people who invaded Europe 2 00:00:10,401 --> 00:00:13,361 in the 4th and 5th Century and for no apparent reason 3 00:00:13,361 --> 00:00:15,319 destroyed much of what they found there. 4 00:00:15,624 --> 00:00:18,540 Sometimes it seems as if the vandals live again 5 00:00:18,714 --> 00:00:20,803 and have invaded the United States of America. 6 00:00:21,499 --> 00:00:28,028 ♪ [MUSIC] 7 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:57,579 [BREAKING GLASS] 8 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:04,368 [SIRENS BLARE] 9 00:01:16,163 --> 00:01:18,643 ROCKY 184: I'm Rocky, and I grew up here 10 00:01:18,643 --> 00:01:22,734 in Washington Heights, 188th, 546, Apartment 3. 11 00:01:23,953 --> 00:01:26,521 Washington Heights was the birthplace of graffiti. 12 00:01:28,175 --> 00:01:31,613 I haven't thought about it, my God, must be 30-odd years 13 00:01:32,048 --> 00:01:33,571 I have not thought about graffiti 14 00:01:34,355 --> 00:01:37,097 and now like everybody wants to know about it. 15 00:01:37,662 --> 00:01:39,229 Where did it start? Who did it? 16 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:40,709 It was like, 17 00:01:41,144 --> 00:01:43,451 in a way, maybe it's the past comes back to haunt you? 18 00:01:43,451 --> 00:01:44,234 I don'’t know. 19 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:46,584 ROCKY 184: I was a tomboy. 20 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:48,412 I think I put my first tag on 21 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:50,501 the train going downtown to school 22 00:01:50,501 --> 00:01:52,068 and I did it 'cause I could do it. 23 00:01:52,068 --> 00:01:54,244 You know. If they could tag I could tag. 24 00:01:54,549 --> 00:01:55,898 SNAKE 1: It started out as fun. 25 00:01:56,377 --> 00:01:58,509 It was something to do besides just sitting 26 00:01:58,509 --> 00:01:59,597 on the stoop, bored. 27 00:01:59,989 --> 00:02:00,816 MIKE 171: Washington Heights. 28 00:02:01,164 --> 00:02:02,687 This is where the movement kinda started. 29 00:02:02,687 --> 00:02:03,775 This is the Mecca. 30 00:02:04,124 --> 00:02:08,040 Working-class people, mostly cliques of kids, gangs, 31 00:02:08,302 --> 00:02:09,651 roaming around, having fun. 32 00:02:09,912 --> 00:02:11,348 Gotta be the cool kids on the block, 33 00:02:11,348 --> 00:02:13,785 you know, go play hooky the most, just see girls 34 00:02:13,785 --> 00:02:15,265 and try to get things going. 35 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:17,659 We were young. It was fun. 36 00:02:17,659 --> 00:02:19,487 You could be on the basketball team, 37 00:02:19,487 --> 00:02:20,662 you could be in a gang, 38 00:02:20,923 --> 00:02:22,359 or you could go out here and write on the walls. 39 00:02:22,359 --> 00:02:24,187 THE JOKER: I can't say politics were involved. 40 00:02:24,187 --> 00:02:26,450 We were too young and self-absorbed. 41 00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:29,540 ROCKY 184: For me, it was nothing political. 42 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:31,977 I understand it was the Vietnam War and all that. 43 00:02:31,977 --> 00:02:33,762 To me, it was expression. 44 00:02:33,762 --> 00:02:36,373 I thought I was ROCKY 184 and I'm doing it. 45 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:39,420 We were not writing to make any political point at all. 46 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:41,161 We were just vandals. 47 00:02:42,684 --> 00:02:46,688 [PAINT CAN SPRAYING] 48 00:02:46,688 --> 00:02:49,081 NARRATOR: Graffiti is the largest art movement 49 00:02:49,081 --> 00:02:51,693 in the world, a global phenomenon 50 00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:54,652 that can be seen on the walls of every major city. 51 00:02:55,044 --> 00:02:59,048 However, graffiti is no longer relegated to the streets 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,832 and has made its way 53 00:03:00,832 --> 00:03:03,835 into galleries and museums around the world. 54 00:03:04,575 --> 00:03:07,230 It can also be found on commercial products, 55 00:03:07,578 --> 00:03:10,015 from t-shirts to automobiles 56 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,975 and many of the world's biggest brands 57 00:03:12,975 --> 00:03:16,370 commission graffiti artists to create special products 58 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:18,415 or design marketing campaigns. 59 00:03:18,937 --> 00:03:21,940 There is even an industry dedicated to the production 60 00:03:21,940 --> 00:03:24,552 of graffiti supplies which generates 61 00:03:24,552 --> 00:03:26,728 millions of dollars each year. 62 00:03:27,685 --> 00:03:30,210 But there was a time before graffiti, 63 00:03:30,645 --> 00:03:34,257 a time when marker tags and spray-painted murals 64 00:03:34,257 --> 00:03:35,519 did not exist. 65 00:03:36,128 --> 00:03:38,566 There was a time when the walls were bare, 66 00:03:39,001 --> 00:03:41,046 the tile was clean, 67 00:03:41,046 --> 00:03:43,745 and lampposts were just lampposts. 68 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:48,140 Well these are the-- My tools of the trade. 69 00:03:49,751 --> 00:03:51,361 What I first started out with 70 00:03:51,361 --> 00:03:54,582 but these are not the original ones like these. 71 00:03:55,017 --> 00:03:59,064 These are from probably 1971, '72, I would say. 72 00:04:00,196 --> 00:04:02,416 And I don't have any of my old pilots 73 00:04:02,416 --> 00:04:05,070 but these were the pilots back then. 74 00:04:05,462 --> 00:04:08,465 It was only tags and magic markers, that's it. 75 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:12,077 This is one of the first brands we started using, Red-Devil. 76 00:04:13,775 --> 00:04:16,343 And then they had the wet look paint. 77 00:04:16,691 --> 00:04:18,345 And then this is some cheap paint 78 00:04:18,345 --> 00:04:20,260 from a store like Home Depot, 79 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:21,913 we used to get these also. 80 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:26,396 NARRATOR: As graffiti crews evolved so did their supplies. 81 00:04:26,396 --> 00:04:29,486 Most of the writers were young and poor 82 00:04:29,486 --> 00:04:33,273 so they acquired their tools by any means necessary. 83 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:35,405 LA ZAR: Pearl Paint was the Mecca where you could get 84 00:04:35,405 --> 00:04:37,189 the large markers, the ink, 85 00:04:37,189 --> 00:04:39,844 the pilots, the midi-wides, the Niji wides, 86 00:04:39,844 --> 00:04:41,542 and, you know, all sorts of colors. 87 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:43,326 GREG 69: I had to buy it and then if I could 88 00:04:43,326 --> 00:04:44,849 I'd sneak one in my pocket. 89 00:04:45,372 --> 00:04:46,982 The way we got the markers and the spray paint 90 00:04:46,982 --> 00:04:48,331 wasn't the usual way. 91 00:04:48,331 --> 00:04:50,551 We actually went out and stole that stuff. 92 00:04:50,725 --> 00:04:53,162 No, you steal a car, you don't steal a marker. 93 00:04:53,597 --> 00:04:54,294 [CHUCKLE] 94 00:04:54,903 --> 00:04:56,252 Steal a marker? 95 00:04:57,645 --> 00:04:58,689 That's crazy. 96 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:00,561 NARRATOR: In the early days, 97 00:05:00,822 --> 00:05:03,259 writers used whatever they could get their hands on 98 00:05:03,564 --> 00:05:07,176 from shoe polish to markers intended for industrial use. 99 00:05:07,437 --> 00:05:10,701 Now, they added spray paint to their toolset. 100 00:05:10,962 --> 00:05:12,137 COCO 144: A marker was a lot easier 101 00:05:12,137 --> 00:05:13,791 to go in a store and steal. 102 00:05:13,922 --> 00:05:16,098 Spray paint, now, that'll put you in a different division. 103 00:05:16,272 --> 00:05:18,361 Long trench coats, you put your hands in 104 00:05:18,361 --> 00:05:19,406 and you take your hands out. 105 00:05:19,797 --> 00:05:22,626 So you could take cans of spray paint and fill them in. 106 00:05:22,713 --> 00:05:24,759 They write their name around so they could be known. 107 00:05:24,933 --> 00:05:26,021 It don't make no kinda sense. 108 00:05:26,195 --> 00:05:27,239 They want to be known, 109 00:05:27,631 --> 00:05:29,241 they don't have to spray their name around, you know? 110 00:05:29,459 --> 00:05:30,242 HOST: So they're really-- You think 111 00:05:30,242 --> 00:05:31,374 they're trying to be famous? 112 00:05:31,418 --> 00:05:33,158 -Yeah. -HOST: Yeah, you think it works? 113 00:05:33,333 --> 00:05:34,551 Yeah, I think, yes. 114 00:05:34,682 --> 00:05:36,074 HOST: What about you? You use spray paint cans? 115 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:38,250 -Who, me? -HOST: Well, anyone who does. 116 00:05:38,555 --> 00:05:40,470 Yeah, I use spray paint cans. 117 00:05:40,644 --> 00:05:41,645 CHILD: Or magic markers. 118 00:05:41,993 --> 00:05:43,343 -HOST: Magic markers? -CHILD 2: Or shoe polish. 119 00:05:43,517 --> 00:05:44,648 -HOST: Or what? -Or shoe polish. 120 00:05:44,822 --> 00:05:46,346 HOST: Now, you seem to know, are you an expert? 121 00:05:46,607 --> 00:05:47,695 -Yeah. -CHILDREN: Yeah. 122 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:49,653 We were like the celebrities 123 00:05:49,871 --> 00:05:53,744 and if I hit a big clean wall, 30 names would follow. 124 00:05:53,918 --> 00:05:55,964 TAKI 183: Names tended to be clustered. 125 00:05:56,225 --> 00:05:58,140 If you wrote underneath a wall 126 00:05:58,314 --> 00:06:00,490 the next guy wouldn't write around the corner, 127 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:02,623 he would probably write right next to you. 128 00:06:02,797 --> 00:06:04,668 And they became bigger. 129 00:06:04,668 --> 00:06:08,759 They became more daring and I was really amazed 130 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:11,545 at some of the feats, at some of these kids. 131 00:06:11,545 --> 00:06:13,938 The more dangerous the situation was 132 00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:16,114 the more your name would be recognized. 133 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:18,378 COOL EARL: It was a sign of the times. 134 00:06:18,378 --> 00:06:20,554 It was a sign of our youth, 135 00:06:20,989 --> 00:06:27,343 our lack of funds and possibly the lack of paternal guidance. 136 00:06:27,648 --> 00:06:30,259 We didn't care about people, what they would say to us. 137 00:06:30,259 --> 00:06:33,871 You know actually, some of us wanted to be seen doing it. 138 00:06:33,871 --> 00:06:36,613 We were trying to get reputation that, you know, 139 00:06:36,613 --> 00:06:39,486 oh my god, there's Henry161 writing his name again 140 00:06:39,486 --> 00:06:44,055 or Mike171. We were very, very reckless in the way we did it. 141 00:06:44,708 --> 00:06:46,580 JOE 182: See, well, my shit was hit and run. 142 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:47,711 Hit and run. 143 00:06:48,103 --> 00:06:50,279 See, these fucking guys, they are-- 144 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,021 they had all the time in the world, go at night time, 145 00:06:53,021 --> 00:06:54,544 take their time and shit, you know? 146 00:06:54,718 --> 00:06:56,416 A lot of the times I was in the fucking subways, 147 00:06:56,416 --> 00:06:57,678 motherfucker be moving, 148 00:06:57,939 --> 00:06:59,897 I was hitting the motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? 149 00:06:59,897 --> 00:07:01,421 And the girl, she'll pull this shit out 150 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,205 and start tagging in front of everybody. 151 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:05,337 COCO144: But I felt that the women 152 00:07:05,337 --> 00:07:06,730 that were out there writing, 153 00:07:07,122 --> 00:07:13,433 whether it be Eva62, Barbara62, Michelle62, Charmin65, SPat, 154 00:07:13,781 --> 00:07:15,435 Rocky184, you know, 155 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:19,047 they had a lot more balls than a lot of guys had. 156 00:07:19,613 --> 00:07:22,529 When I was doing it, I was the only female that I knew about 157 00:07:22,703 --> 00:07:27,969 and as I faded out Barbara62 was all over, 158 00:07:28,143 --> 00:07:30,537 our crime partner was Eva62. 159 00:07:30,928 --> 00:07:32,800 You couldn't see one name without seeing the other. 160 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:35,716 My first impression of other writers 161 00:07:35,716 --> 00:07:36,717 and why they were writing it 162 00:07:37,326 --> 00:07:39,328 and it was getting more popular, it was like people were angry. 163 00:07:39,589 --> 00:07:42,287 SJK 174: We wanted to be known. That's why we wrote our names. 164 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:46,117 Anybody writing anything like "Marty was here 69" 165 00:07:46,291 --> 00:07:50,121 or "Joe was here 72," he wanted to be known, he was there. 166 00:07:50,295 --> 00:07:52,863 But we did it in a different way we wrote our street numbers. 167 00:07:53,081 --> 00:07:55,866 We didn't really realize that we were developing a style 168 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,564 that nobody's ever done before 169 00:07:57,564 --> 00:08:00,697 that would blossom into more graffiti. 170 00:08:01,089 --> 00:08:03,526 Seeing numbers behind tags started from the beginning. 171 00:08:03,526 --> 00:08:06,877 You see Taki183, I started writing Snake1 88, 172 00:08:06,877 --> 00:08:08,531 it was just as simple as possible 173 00:08:08,531 --> 00:08:09,489 where you could read it. 174 00:08:11,186 --> 00:08:15,059 I used to write, "Snake1, King of all snakes." 175 00:08:15,538 --> 00:08:17,148 Because there were too many snakes around 176 00:08:17,148 --> 00:08:18,280 and I couldn't take it. 177 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:23,546 And one time I went to Snake2 train station, 178 00:08:23,546 --> 00:08:25,853 145th Street on number one and we were good friends, 179 00:08:25,853 --> 00:08:27,463 we went to junior high school together. 180 00:08:27,855 --> 00:08:31,119 But I went to where he lived and I wrote on his subway wall, 181 00:08:31,554 --> 00:08:35,819 "Snake1 king of all snakes," you dig? "You got that George?" 182 00:08:35,993 --> 00:08:37,125 His name is George. 183 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:40,476 NARRATOR: There was a time on the New York subways 184 00:08:40,476 --> 00:08:41,956 when without a newspaper, 185 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:44,132 you could ponder the advertisements. 186 00:08:44,306 --> 00:08:45,960 Well, you can still ponder them 187 00:08:46,264 --> 00:08:47,439 but you can hardly read them 188 00:08:47,439 --> 00:08:49,180 because of the graffiti covering. 189 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,793 It's even hard to read the graffiti for the graffiti. 190 00:08:53,489 --> 00:08:55,578 Now you'd think that with all this effort 191 00:08:55,578 --> 00:08:59,277 something passively important or even beastly was being said, 192 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:01,758 or something clever as some of the old graffiti 193 00:09:01,758 --> 00:09:04,065 comments on life and the world. No. 194 00:09:04,718 --> 00:09:07,982 Now it's mostly just an attempt to identify oneself, 195 00:09:08,765 --> 00:09:12,639 with code names and numbers. Coco4, K-55, 196 00:09:12,813 --> 00:09:16,860 Super Kool 223. Sonic 53. Friz171. 197 00:09:17,295 --> 00:09:19,515 And much of it in inglorious color. 198 00:09:23,432 --> 00:09:25,216 Legibility was important 199 00:09:25,216 --> 00:09:27,349 and the thing is you could throw it up quick. 200 00:09:27,523 --> 00:09:29,830 Simple, just black letters, that's it, J-O- E. 201 00:09:30,134 --> 00:09:33,181 JEC#*: I wrote JEC star and those were just my initials, 202 00:09:33,181 --> 00:09:34,138 J-E-C. 203 00:09:34,617 --> 00:09:36,967 and the star was just a squiggly I did at the end. 204 00:09:37,185 --> 00:09:39,883 BAMA: The whole idea if you had a nice handwriting 205 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:42,930 and they saw your name there, there, there, there, there, 206 00:09:43,104 --> 00:09:44,279 that meant you were there. 207 00:09:44,540 --> 00:09:47,804 It was not all about being fancy and that came later on. 208 00:09:47,978 --> 00:09:50,328 Just spread all over the place like a fungus, 209 00:09:50,677 --> 00:09:53,854 bathroom stalls, buses, inside subway cars. 210 00:09:54,028 --> 00:09:55,420 Everything was pristine one day 211 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:57,553 then all of a sudden you see all these names written. 212 00:09:57,858 --> 00:09:59,555 You're wondering, who are these people? 213 00:09:59,729 --> 00:10:03,254 And the more I saw of it the more intriguing it became. 214 00:10:03,428 --> 00:10:05,909 HENRY 161: Graffiti was entertaining for me. 215 00:10:06,083 --> 00:10:09,870 When I used to see a clean wall and I had a marker on me, 216 00:10:10,348 --> 00:10:13,438 that was like, "Oh, wow, man!" 217 00:10:13,743 --> 00:10:15,571 And I would go and start writing my name. 218 00:10:15,745 --> 00:10:18,182 COCO 144: The dynamic of writing your name 219 00:10:18,182 --> 00:10:20,097 of doing something that's illegal, 220 00:10:20,271 --> 00:10:22,709 of having other people guess "Who's this person?" 221 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:25,625 is one of the many things that attracted me. 222 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:27,714 We noticed that everybody was talking about 223 00:10:27,714 --> 00:10:30,020 Friendly Freddy, Fantastic Eddie, Super Goldie, 224 00:10:30,281 --> 00:10:31,587 and me and my guys 225 00:10:31,674 --> 00:10:33,458 we wanted the girls to gush over us as well. 226 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:36,331 At the time I didn't really think that it was illegal, 227 00:10:36,723 --> 00:10:39,073 I thought that it was just fantastic. 228 00:10:39,247 --> 00:10:41,684 I felt, "These people must be just somebody special." 229 00:10:41,858 --> 00:10:43,947 We were like movie stars to some of these people. 230 00:10:44,121 --> 00:10:46,384 I would see other people tag there and go, "Oh, my god, 231 00:10:46,558 --> 00:10:48,778 if my name was up there with their names, man 232 00:10:48,778 --> 00:10:50,301 that would be a great wall." 233 00:10:50,606 --> 00:10:52,564 JON NAAR: They called themselves "Writers." 234 00:10:52,956 --> 00:10:58,048 I do not recall any of them calling themselves artists. 235 00:10:59,528 --> 00:11:00,834 FEMALE REPORTER: And who are the culprits? 236 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:04,272 Not surprisingly, they're kids, mostly male, 237 00:11:04,489 --> 00:11:06,274 mostly around 15-years-old, 238 00:11:06,578 --> 00:11:07,971 mostly poor, 239 00:11:08,145 --> 00:11:10,539 and mostly what psychologists would call "neglected". 240 00:11:10,931 --> 00:11:13,455 The words are rarely obscene or racial. 241 00:11:13,716 --> 00:11:16,501 Mostly it's just "Mike this" or "Coco that" 242 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:19,330 and the numbers are usually the streets on which they live. 243 00:11:19,896 --> 00:11:23,639 The first graffiti names, Taki183, 244 00:11:24,945 --> 00:11:27,730 Phil T Greek, Joe182nd, 245 00:11:28,122 --> 00:11:33,605 Babyface86, Stitch1, but Julio204.... 246 00:11:34,606 --> 00:11:36,608 NARRATOR: The writer in New York who was thought 247 00:11:36,608 --> 00:11:40,961 to have started it all was a teenager named Julio204. 248 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:44,573 Most writers count him as their first influence 249 00:11:44,747 --> 00:11:46,618 but few actually knew him. 250 00:11:47,054 --> 00:11:49,404 PHIL: The first graffiti I remember seeing 251 00:11:49,621 --> 00:11:51,841 was a personal mark, the bottom of a lamppost, 252 00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:54,757 his name was Julio, Julio204. 253 00:11:55,018 --> 00:11:58,718 Julio204, yeah, he definitely hit those lampposts first 254 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:03,505 Julio came out of the blue. We started seeing about 1967, 255 00:12:03,853 --> 00:12:07,509 it was nothing in big size, it was just noticeable because 256 00:12:07,683 --> 00:12:09,554 there was nothing else up on the walls 257 00:12:09,946 --> 00:12:11,774 and nobody really knew what it was. 258 00:12:11,774 --> 00:12:13,080 We thought something was going happen 259 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,299 on July 20th at four o'clock. 260 00:12:15,909 --> 00:12:17,780 Then we realized there's a guy going around 261 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:19,739 writing his name and his street number. 262 00:12:20,348 --> 00:12:22,306 JAG: Julio was like a little Colombian guy 263 00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:23,394 and he says, "Yeah, 264 00:12:23,525 --> 00:12:25,179 I can put Julio on that but it's no big deal 265 00:12:25,179 --> 00:12:26,615 so I'm gonna make mine more known," 266 00:12:26,615 --> 00:12:28,051 so he started putting "204." 267 00:12:28,051 --> 00:12:30,140 So the girls and everybody would know who he was. 268 00:12:30,314 --> 00:12:32,186 Well, when I kept seeing his name, you know, 269 00:12:32,186 --> 00:12:35,493 you hear the mythology of him being perhaps a gang member 270 00:12:36,843 --> 00:12:40,672 and just like a cat marks its terrain, 271 00:12:40,672 --> 00:12:44,285 Julio was marking his terrain and his people's terrain. 272 00:12:44,459 --> 00:12:46,461 You'd see him a lot up there Fort Tryon Park, 273 00:12:46,461 --> 00:12:48,028 Washington Heights area. 274 00:12:48,202 --> 00:12:50,552 Columbia University marked their C 275 00:12:50,726 --> 00:12:52,772 for the football team on this huge rock. 276 00:12:52,946 --> 00:12:54,599 We were hanging around there one day and 277 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:57,341 friend of mine said, "Let's climb to the top of this thing." 278 00:12:57,515 --> 00:12:59,039 So when I got up to the top there, 279 00:12:59,213 --> 00:13:03,391 I saw it, on a rock this guy tagged his name, "Julio 204", 280 00:13:03,565 --> 00:13:05,132 I go, "This guy is everywhere!" 281 00:13:05,306 --> 00:13:10,050 You know? In my own childish way I was impressed by that. 282 00:13:10,528 --> 00:13:12,792 Felt, "I'd like to get my name everywhere too." 283 00:13:14,271 --> 00:13:17,709 NARRATOR: No one knows why Julio 204 stopped writing, 284 00:13:18,058 --> 00:13:19,799 or what happened to him after. 285 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:24,020 But by the late '60s his marker tag had stopped appearing. 286 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:27,719 ♪ [MUSIC] 287 00:13:27,719 --> 00:13:31,767 In the 1960's America was in a state of social upheaval, 288 00:13:31,985 --> 00:13:33,464 caused by issues like 289 00:13:33,464 --> 00:13:35,510 Civil Rights and the Vietnam War. 290 00:13:36,337 --> 00:13:38,208 Political leaders were being assassinated 291 00:13:38,382 --> 00:13:41,124 and it seemed like everyone's lives were threatened. 292 00:13:41,777 --> 00:13:45,085 In the midst of all the chaos, the country's urban youth 293 00:13:45,259 --> 00:13:48,523 started to speak up with markers and spray cans. 294 00:13:49,132 --> 00:13:51,569 Meanwhile, in Upper Manhattan, 295 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,355 in a neighborhood known as Washington Heights, 296 00:13:54,529 --> 00:13:57,010 a small community of Greek teenagers 297 00:13:57,010 --> 00:14:00,448 picked up where Julio 204 left off. 298 00:14:03,712 --> 00:14:07,063 I grew up in between Inwood and Washington Heights. 299 00:14:07,237 --> 00:14:09,849 I met Greg, Phil and Taki because 300 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:13,156 I was affiliated with a Greek Orthodox Youth Association 301 00:14:13,156 --> 00:14:14,766 and we all played basketball together. 302 00:14:14,766 --> 00:14:15,767 That's how I met them. 303 00:14:16,029 --> 00:14:19,206 So my father was self-educated and he... 304 00:14:19,815 --> 00:14:21,295 He exposed me to a lot of things 305 00:14:21,817 --> 00:14:23,993 and part of that was, you know, 306 00:14:23,993 --> 00:14:25,690 trying to be an individual of some kind 307 00:14:25,690 --> 00:14:28,780 and you know, I wanted to do something different, you know. 308 00:14:30,913 --> 00:14:33,481 I wanted everyone to know who I was. 309 00:14:33,698 --> 00:14:35,135 So my first name was "Phil", 310 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:37,354 my last name began with a "T" 311 00:14:37,354 --> 00:14:40,314 so my moniker was "Phil T Greek." 312 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:44,361 It was unusual, it was unique. I wasn't Puerto Rican, you know, 313 00:14:44,361 --> 00:14:45,841 I wasn't Irish, I was Greek. 314 00:14:46,015 --> 00:14:48,322 So I wanted to make a Greek mark, you know. 315 00:14:48,670 --> 00:14:50,759 Julio 204 was very legible 316 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:53,196 and I wanted mine to be even more legible. 317 00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:55,024 I felt that it was necessary 318 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:57,287 for my name to be in block formation. 319 00:14:57,461 --> 00:15:00,508 I didn't want it to be script, I wanted them to see it, 320 00:15:00,769 --> 00:15:03,293 and see that it was done almost mechanically. 321 00:15:03,728 --> 00:15:06,166 When Phil started writing in the Summer of '68, 322 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:07,428 it made it more personal 323 00:15:07,689 --> 00:15:09,299 'cause all of a sudden we knew who the guy was. 324 00:15:09,473 --> 00:15:11,693 Once it was like an inside thing. 325 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:13,521 LITTLE PHIL: I saw Phil T's name 326 00:15:13,521 --> 00:15:15,218 and my friends would ask me, 327 00:15:15,218 --> 00:15:17,612 "Is that you writing that name?" And I would take credit for it. 328 00:15:18,004 --> 00:15:19,788 LITTLE PHIL: Even though I wasn't even tagging at the time. 329 00:15:20,006 --> 00:15:21,529 LITTLE PHIL: 'Cause it fit my name so perfectly. 330 00:15:21,703 --> 00:15:23,835 And then we just kinda tagged along, 331 00:15:24,010 --> 00:15:26,099 me and little Phil started doing it too. 332 00:15:26,099 --> 00:15:28,014 PHIL: I didn't like when they started writing because 333 00:15:28,014 --> 00:15:29,711 that's my thing, you know? 334 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:32,018 We kinda wanted to be like Phil, you know, 335 00:15:32,018 --> 00:15:33,758 in our regard like with music 336 00:15:33,758 --> 00:15:35,238 and graffiti, I guess. 337 00:15:36,370 --> 00:15:37,545 Even the drugs. 338 00:15:38,067 --> 00:15:40,635 I don't remember him being unhappy about it, 339 00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:42,158 certainly he didn't voice it 340 00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:45,031 and what I do remember is how we thought it was pretty cool 341 00:15:45,031 --> 00:15:46,510 that we could both write the same name 342 00:15:46,510 --> 00:15:48,599 and get twice as much traction for it. 343 00:15:48,817 --> 00:15:51,472 He piggybacked on my name and I didn't like it. 344 00:15:51,689 --> 00:15:53,953 But I stopped by then and Phil started 345 00:15:54,301 --> 00:15:56,607 and he became known as Phil T Greek, actually, 346 00:15:56,868 --> 00:15:59,001 he developed more notoriety. 347 00:15:59,828 --> 00:16:01,438 But there's no way you can beat Taki. 348 00:16:01,438 --> 00:16:03,092 He was everywhere, you know. 349 00:16:08,924 --> 00:16:10,839 TAKI 183: I've always been called Taki by everyone. 350 00:16:11,883 --> 00:16:16,149 Taki is a real name, it's derived from Demetrius 351 00:16:16,453 --> 00:16:19,848 because when you're a little kid it's hard to say Demetrius, 352 00:16:19,848 --> 00:16:21,110 so you had to say Taki, 353 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:23,199 it's a very common nickname in Greece 354 00:16:23,373 --> 00:16:25,854 and it either sticks with you or it doesn't. 355 00:16:26,115 --> 00:16:28,770 But only a Greek would know that it's a name basically. 356 00:16:30,206 --> 00:16:32,948 I never thought of getting anything out of the graffiti. 357 00:16:33,122 --> 00:16:35,168 It was just something you did for the summer. 358 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:37,692 I was either with Phil or Greg 359 00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:38,954 and they were writing 360 00:16:38,954 --> 00:16:40,129 and I said, "Oh, let me try that." 361 00:16:40,738 --> 00:16:43,132 And I just put Taki and I said, "Oh, let me put 183," 362 00:16:43,306 --> 00:16:45,265 'cause they're putting the year, they're pretty Greek, 363 00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:47,223 I'll just put the number, like Julio. 364 00:16:47,615 --> 00:16:49,573 The graffiti was also part of the friendship, 365 00:16:49,573 --> 00:16:52,228 I mean, it was the sports, it was the friendship. 366 00:16:52,228 --> 00:16:53,229 TAKI 183: You moved as a group 367 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,752 so let's go up to the bus terminal 368 00:16:54,926 --> 00:16:56,624 that had nice smooth walls. 369 00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:58,017 We'd hang around the church steps. 370 00:16:58,191 --> 00:16:59,192 We'd hit the church steps. 371 00:16:59,714 --> 00:17:01,890 When we'd go to basketball games we always carried a marker 372 00:17:01,890 --> 00:17:03,283 cause you gotta tag along the way. 373 00:17:03,457 --> 00:17:05,894 You kinda-- You marked your territory in a way. 374 00:17:06,329 --> 00:17:10,029 But during the summer of '70, I was working as a messenger 375 00:17:10,203 --> 00:17:12,292 and the way you made any kind of money is 376 00:17:12,466 --> 00:17:15,164 they'd give you the car fare for the delivery and you'd walk it. 377 00:17:15,773 --> 00:17:19,038 So if I had to walk from 57th Street to 86th street 378 00:17:19,212 --> 00:17:21,257 with a package I would just zig zag 379 00:17:21,562 --> 00:17:22,867 and every time it was a red light 380 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:24,608 I'd stop, put my name on a pole, 381 00:17:24,608 --> 00:17:26,132 you know how much you can cover? 382 00:17:27,220 --> 00:17:30,440 NARRATOR: Taki183 started writing his name 383 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,660 in neighborhoods outside his own 384 00:17:32,877 --> 00:17:36,229 and people around the city started to take notice. 385 00:17:37,012 --> 00:17:38,622 Well, the first graffiti that I noticed 386 00:17:38,622 --> 00:17:41,799 and that I admired a lot was Taki183. 387 00:17:42,974 --> 00:17:44,280 Taki was top dog. 388 00:17:44,454 --> 00:17:45,760 Taki took it to the max, I mean, 389 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,588 I think this kid lived to write his name. 390 00:17:47,849 --> 00:17:49,329 You started out with a marker, right, 391 00:17:49,329 --> 00:17:51,331 because Taki183 started with a marker. 392 00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:53,333 Then I seen him hit with paint. "Oh, look, 393 00:17:53,333 --> 00:17:54,638 now that's not a bad idea." 394 00:17:55,465 --> 00:17:58,642 I didn't start it but that was just the next step. 395 00:17:58,860 --> 00:17:59,861 WICKED GRAY: The word got out. 396 00:18:00,035 --> 00:18:01,645 There's no denying that every place 397 00:18:01,645 --> 00:18:03,082 you looked you wouldn't see Taki. 398 00:18:03,386 --> 00:18:05,606 All the neighborhoods had Nazian graffiti 399 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:07,999 but especially in a pristine neighborhood 400 00:18:08,174 --> 00:18:10,045 it was much more evident. 401 00:18:10,393 --> 00:18:13,266 You could walk for 40 blocks and see my name on every pole, 402 00:18:13,657 --> 00:18:16,791 Park Avenue, Lexington Avenue, Madison Avenue, Sutton Place, 403 00:18:16,965 --> 00:18:19,750 all the cross streets, and I just hit them all. 404 00:18:19,924 --> 00:18:21,622 And your name would be there and people would say, 405 00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:23,232 "How do you write it and nobody saw him?" 406 00:18:23,711 --> 00:18:25,539 That was the big mystique of graffiti. 407 00:18:26,148 --> 00:18:27,236 LITTLE PHIL: Taki was original 408 00:18:27,323 --> 00:18:29,238 and to watch him in action was funny. 409 00:18:29,673 --> 00:18:31,849 He had a leather jacket that he liked to wear 410 00:18:32,067 --> 00:18:33,373 and he had a hole in the pocket 411 00:18:33,721 --> 00:18:36,376 and he became good at being able to put his hand in the pocket 412 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,247 and tag a door on a train, 413 00:18:38,421 --> 00:18:39,944 you know, then he'd walk over to another door 414 00:18:39,944 --> 00:18:41,990 and do that one and you'd never know he did it. 415 00:18:42,425 --> 00:18:43,426 Part of the rationale 416 00:18:43,818 --> 00:18:46,516 of not thinking you were that destructive is because 417 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:48,649 politicians would put up Nixon tags, 418 00:18:48,649 --> 00:18:50,259 and you knew they weren't gonna come back 419 00:18:50,259 --> 00:18:52,043 and take it off at the end of the campaign. 420 00:18:52,218 --> 00:18:54,524 So I said, "If they can do it I can do it." 421 00:18:55,569 --> 00:18:57,310 My parents thought it was pretty terrible 422 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:58,615 that I was writing everywhere 423 00:18:58,615 --> 00:19:00,704 but then I think they got the joke of it that 424 00:19:00,704 --> 00:19:03,229 they knew who I was but nobody else knew who I was. 425 00:19:04,317 --> 00:19:07,363 NARRATOR: Taki183 became an urban legend 426 00:19:07,363 --> 00:19:10,149 and remained a mystery to the public at large 427 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,063 until an enterprising reporter 428 00:19:12,063 --> 00:19:14,283 fromThe New York Times tracked him down. 429 00:19:16,981 --> 00:19:20,202 In early '71, I was impressed 430 00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:23,423 by an article in The New York Times 431 00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:27,427 about Taki183 432 00:19:27,427 --> 00:19:32,606 being the first of a new type of graffiti writer. 433 00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:36,131 TAKI 183: Taki183 Spawns Pen Pals. 434 00:19:36,131 --> 00:19:38,394 When this was published we really saw that 435 00:19:38,394 --> 00:19:40,483 it was becoming a citywide news 436 00:19:40,483 --> 00:19:42,964 and it was a good story for a slow news day. 437 00:19:43,791 --> 00:19:46,924 The Taki article gave what we were doing credibility 438 00:19:46,924 --> 00:19:49,362 'cause now we knew we were being noticed. 439 00:19:49,536 --> 00:19:52,060 I didn't have any hesitation about speaking to the Times 440 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:54,541 because basically it was all a goof to begin with 441 00:19:54,715 --> 00:19:56,282 and over here you got this 442 00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:57,892 legitimate paper interviewing you, 443 00:19:58,066 --> 00:19:59,459 you know, they interview Kissinger 444 00:19:59,459 --> 00:20:00,634 and they're interviewing me. 445 00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:02,505 You know, how ridiculous can it get? 446 00:20:04,507 --> 00:20:07,858 BAMA: When I read that article I was writing but I just thought 447 00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:11,732 "Wow, they blew him up, yo! I'm gonna do his wall!" 448 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:13,560 'Cause I wanted to get an article. 449 00:20:13,951 --> 00:20:15,388 I don't remember seeing 450 00:20:15,388 --> 00:20:18,086 any article about Taki in any newspaper 451 00:20:18,086 --> 00:20:19,522 back then in those days. 452 00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:22,133 All I remember about Taki 453 00:20:22,133 --> 00:20:24,223 was a commercial they used to show on TV. 454 00:20:24,571 --> 00:20:26,921 It was filmed inside the Statue of Liberty. 455 00:20:27,356 --> 00:20:30,664 HENRY 161: And they would show the persons walking 456 00:20:30,664 --> 00:20:32,840 up the stairs inside the Statue of Liberty 457 00:20:33,101 --> 00:20:36,974 and as they were walking by you see the name Taki183. 458 00:20:37,671 --> 00:20:39,281 TAKI 183: The Statue of Liberty commercial 459 00:20:39,281 --> 00:20:40,500 was a result of editing. 460 00:20:41,109 --> 00:20:44,330 Actually that was at the A-Train station. 461 00:20:44,547 --> 00:20:46,767 I think, on 181st, with the long steps. 462 00:20:46,941 --> 00:20:48,464 Whoever made the commercial 463 00:20:49,552 --> 00:20:52,207 filmed the family with my name in the background, 464 00:20:52,990 --> 00:20:55,558 I have to hand it to this guy, he like, 465 00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:56,951 he gave me so much publicity. 466 00:20:57,212 --> 00:21:00,650 When I was photographing graffiti in New York 467 00:21:00,998 --> 00:21:03,610 Taki was already a legend. 468 00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:08,658 After Taki was everywhere there was an explosion of taggers. 469 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:12,401 Summer of '71, they interviewed me for Interviewmagazine, 470 00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:15,012 Andy Warhol's magazine, which was pretty cool, 471 00:21:15,535 --> 00:21:17,798 told me to come down and meet Andy Warhol, I said, 472 00:21:17,798 --> 00:21:19,452 you know, "I got no time for this guy." 473 00:21:19,452 --> 00:21:20,453 [LAUGHING] 474 00:21:21,541 --> 00:21:23,673 NARRATOR: Taki183 was the face of 475 00:21:23,673 --> 00:21:25,632 the graffiti movement in New York. 476 00:21:26,110 --> 00:21:30,941 But just 100 miles to the south, Philadelphia had its own star. 477 00:21:30,941 --> 00:21:33,683 ♪ [MUSIC] 478 00:21:33,683 --> 00:21:37,339 [SHAKING SPRAY CAN] 479 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:41,256 CORNBREAD: I was established in 1965 at a reform school 480 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:44,259 and Mrs. Swanson was the head cook, 481 00:21:44,694 --> 00:21:48,307 used to always prepare white bread with our meals. 482 00:21:48,611 --> 00:21:51,527 I used to always remember how my grandmom used to bake cornbread. 483 00:21:51,875 --> 00:21:55,488 So, I used to get outta line and go in the back and say, 484 00:21:55,488 --> 00:21:57,620 "Mrs. Swanson, how come you don't serve cornbread 485 00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:58,447 on the menu?" 486 00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,015 And she gripped me by my shirt, 487 00:22:01,276 --> 00:22:02,843 and took me out to my counselor and told my counselor, 488 00:22:03,017 --> 00:22:04,540 "Keep this cornbread out my kitchen." 489 00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:07,108 And all my peers at the table started laughing, 490 00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:08,414 "Cornbread, Cornbread," 491 00:22:08,762 --> 00:22:12,243 and throughout the institution, which was infested with gangs 492 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:15,508 who wrote their names all over the walls of the institution, 493 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:19,120 to recognize-- To be recognized by their gang name. 494 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,687 I wanted recognition too. 495 00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:23,211 So I wrote "Cornbread" in real big letters 496 00:22:23,211 --> 00:22:25,300 right by all the gangs' names. 497 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:26,736 But I took it a step further than that. 498 00:22:26,736 --> 00:22:28,869 I wrote my name in the visitor hall, 499 00:22:28,869 --> 00:22:29,870 in the chow hall, 500 00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:33,961 in the bathroom, in the school, in the church, everywhere. 501 00:22:34,265 --> 00:22:36,267 When I came home in 1967, 502 00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:38,705 I took that same concept to the city walls 503 00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,620 to establish our reputation. 504 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:43,144 And I wrote my name everywhere. 505 00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:47,017 People started talking about it. and it wasn't long before 506 00:22:47,453 --> 00:22:51,282 other teenage juveniles began to spray-paint their names. 507 00:22:52,675 --> 00:22:55,286 NARRATOR: In North Philly, Cornbread was joined 508 00:22:55,286 --> 00:22:58,333 by the likes of Titty and Dr. Cool, 509 00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,597 while in West Philly there were writers such as Chewy, 510 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,557 Cool Earl and Kool Klepto Kidd. 511 00:23:05,949 --> 00:23:12,478 [FREEWAY TRAFFIC] 512 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:17,526 KIDD: My name is Edward Leatherary, 513 00:23:17,526 --> 00:23:21,400 A.K.A. Kool Klepto Kidd, A.K.A. The Kidd. 514 00:23:23,445 --> 00:23:25,099 When I first started writing graffiti 515 00:23:25,099 --> 00:23:27,667 it was I believe, in '67. 516 00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:31,540 Small tags with magic markers 517 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:34,804 and it escalated into spray paint. 518 00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,592 It started out as a small band of us 519 00:23:39,592 --> 00:23:42,072 that hung together and that was myself, 520 00:23:42,072 --> 00:23:45,728 Cool Earl, Chewy, we came from the hood, 521 00:23:46,033 --> 00:23:49,210 so to speak, the ghetto, you know, 522 00:23:49,906 --> 00:23:54,650 rat, roach infested areas, people not having very much 523 00:23:55,042 --> 00:23:58,524 and we went out and pretty much put our names out 524 00:23:58,524 --> 00:24:00,177 and it was like, "We're here." 525 00:24:00,830 --> 00:24:04,617 Well one particular day Chewy, Kidd and myself 526 00:24:04,617 --> 00:24:07,881 and a few other guys was writing on an L's in Philadelphia 527 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:10,884 and Eddie decides to write his name on the L's. 528 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:11,798 He wrote "Kidd". 529 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,930 And I'm sitting on an L, on a seat, 530 00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:16,237 and I'm looking at him write "Kidd" and I'm thinking, 531 00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:18,413 "Well, get me. Write my name up there." 532 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,156 And to my surprise instead of just writing Earl, 533 00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:23,331 he wrote "Cool Earl". 534 00:24:24,071 --> 00:24:27,770 So, Kidd was the first person that wrote Cool Earl, for me. 535 00:24:28,292 --> 00:24:31,252 I chose to use my real name 536 00:24:31,252 --> 00:24:34,690 but because of that little art flair in me 537 00:24:35,082 --> 00:24:37,606 I knew I could come up with something special. 538 00:24:37,606 --> 00:24:40,261 So, you know, and to this day it's only one dude 539 00:24:40,261 --> 00:24:42,176 I know that could really do it like me, 540 00:24:42,176 --> 00:24:43,569 and that was my man, Joe Cool. 541 00:24:43,743 --> 00:24:47,964 I got the name Joe Cool from this cartoon character, Snoopy. 542 00:24:47,964 --> 00:24:52,055 When I turned 13, my parents sent me to Karate school 543 00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:55,711 and, you know, at first everybody used to tease me 544 00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:58,061 and call me Karate Kid and stuff like that 545 00:24:58,061 --> 00:25:02,065 and as time went on, you know, I just, I couldn'’t shake it. 546 00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:05,678 And here I am now, and still can't shake it. 547 00:25:05,678 --> 00:25:07,462 I have people right now, right now, 548 00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,159 that, that they don't know my name. 549 00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:12,336 KIDD: It was just more of a vandal type thing, 550 00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:13,947 we were just on the subway 551 00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:17,298 writing on the cardboard advertisement, 552 00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,518 you know, like a Zorro type of a signet. 553 00:25:20,301 --> 00:25:23,043 We were going over South Philly, North Philly, 554 00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:25,045 we was going all over the place. 555 00:25:25,262 --> 00:25:27,961 Everybody wanted to be cool just like us. 556 00:25:28,135 --> 00:25:29,963 LEWIS: Everywhere, 557 00:25:29,963 --> 00:25:32,574 I see these guys' names, I say, "How did they do that? 558 00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:34,489 How did they get it here? How did they get up there?" 559 00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:36,099 We were just having fun, you know, 560 00:25:36,099 --> 00:25:37,797 cops chase us, they couldn't catch us, 561 00:25:37,797 --> 00:25:39,625 you know, it was a cat and mouse type of thing, 562 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,323 you know. When we were hitting and they'd pull over 563 00:25:42,323 --> 00:25:43,803 and jump out and try to catch us, 564 00:25:43,803 --> 00:25:45,195 all of us were pretty fast 565 00:25:45,369 --> 00:25:46,545 and, you know, we was having fun. 566 00:25:46,849 --> 00:25:51,375 We went on excursions at night, in the bus terminals. 567 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:53,508 When we thought that no one would see us 568 00:25:53,508 --> 00:25:55,641 and we hit every bus we could hit. 569 00:25:55,815 --> 00:25:57,556 KARATE: I used to live with my aunt 570 00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:59,645 and my aunt used to tell me, 571 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,432 "Look, if you're not in the house by nine o'clock, 572 00:26:05,389 --> 00:26:06,826 you gotta sleep in the hallway." 573 00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:09,002 Every night we would go out 574 00:26:09,002 --> 00:26:12,005 and write and I never got home at nine o'clock, 575 00:26:12,005 --> 00:26:14,747 so I slept in the hallway for many nights. 576 00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:16,705 COOL EARL: We didn't want to be a part of the gangs, 577 00:26:16,923 --> 00:26:19,012 that's why we broke off into different clubs, 578 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,277 Delta Phi Soul, Cornbread was a part of North Philly 579 00:26:23,277 --> 00:26:26,062 and then in West Philly, me and Kool Klepto Kidd 580 00:26:26,062 --> 00:26:27,803 was a part of a club, Odigma Experience, 581 00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:29,109 meaning cool experience. 582 00:26:29,283 --> 00:26:31,198 NARRATOR: Writers from both sides of town 583 00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:34,027 belonged to crews modeled after fraternities, 584 00:26:34,027 --> 00:26:38,640 with names like Phi Odigma Experience and Delta Phi Soul. 585 00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:42,688 The crew's main focus was to throw parties at social clubs. 586 00:26:42,862 --> 00:26:44,864 So, it was only a matter of time 587 00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:47,780 until both groups of graffiti writers met. 588 00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:50,565 KIDD: Let's say we'd hit a wall, a clean wall, 589 00:26:50,739 --> 00:26:54,047 and we'd come back at a later date and Cornbread and his crew 590 00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:56,832 would have hit that wall. So, we started leaving messages. 591 00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:58,529 you know, and finally we did connect. 592 00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:02,142 We met at a dance hall, Shanahan on Likus Avenue. 593 00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:04,927 West Philly used to fight North Philly, 594 00:27:04,927 --> 00:27:07,538 so we knew that was gonna be some trouble outside 595 00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:08,670 when we went to North Philly. 596 00:27:08,844 --> 00:27:11,717 So, I seen Cool Earl in a cool cap 597 00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:13,196 so I tagged him, I said, "Cool Earl." 598 00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:17,331 He said, "What's up, man?" I said, "What's up, Cool Earl?" 599 00:27:18,854 --> 00:27:20,334 He said, "What's up with you, who are you?" 600 00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:21,683 I said, "I'm Cornbread." 601 00:27:22,858 --> 00:27:24,599 He said, "Nah, you ain't Cornbread." 602 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:25,818 I put up my marker. 603 00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:28,124 I got the felt with me and I went to the wall, 604 00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:29,169 "Cornbread." 605 00:27:29,778 --> 00:27:32,825 And he just says, "Yo, Chewy, Bobby." 606 00:27:32,999 --> 00:27:34,348 He started calling the whole gang. 607 00:27:34,348 --> 00:27:35,392 "He called Cornbread." 608 00:27:36,872 --> 00:27:37,960 And they're just hugging it. 609 00:27:38,047 --> 00:27:40,484 we recognized each other, by reputation. 610 00:27:40,876 --> 00:27:43,749 COOL EARL: And we introduced ourselves and it was like, 611 00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:46,621 you know, it was great. 612 00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:48,579 You know, finally I meet Cornbread 613 00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:50,625 and Titty and Dr. Cool and Took, 614 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,409 but when we met it was just, 615 00:27:52,409 --> 00:27:54,237 "Let's go tag some walls together." 616 00:27:54,455 --> 00:27:56,544 You know, that set the party in tune. 617 00:27:58,111 --> 00:28:01,201 NARRATOR: With North Philly and West Philly writers united 618 00:28:01,592 --> 00:28:04,247 graffiti in Philadelphia spread like wildfire 619 00:28:04,421 --> 00:28:06,815 and the media picked up the story. 620 00:28:07,076 --> 00:28:09,775 SANDY: I think the name that got me the most was Cornbread 621 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:11,646 because it was so unique. 622 00:28:11,646 --> 00:28:13,648 It said so many different things, you know. 623 00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:17,173 All of us had good names but, you know, Cornbread just was 624 00:28:17,173 --> 00:28:21,525 a easy name to stick in your mind and easy to remember. 625 00:28:22,265 --> 00:28:24,920 And the more we got into it 626 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,487 the more publicity we kept getting. 627 00:28:26,922 --> 00:28:29,403 There was some imposters during that period also. 628 00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:32,188 So, I'm going to work one day, 629 00:28:32,188 --> 00:28:34,625 I got a job at Nabisco Baking Factory 630 00:28:35,148 --> 00:28:39,674 and I open up the newspapers and I read about my own death. 631 00:28:43,809 --> 00:28:46,333 "The fantastic career of one of Philadelphia's 632 00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:49,075 best known graffiti artists came to a violent end, 633 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,120 Sunday, outside a hotel and bar." 634 00:28:51,381 --> 00:28:54,384 My reputation was going to this guy's grave. 635 00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,213 I had to do something 636 00:28:57,213 --> 00:28:59,128 to let the public know that I still exist. 637 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:03,263 So I had pondered countless possibilities 638 00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,352 and came to the conclusion 639 00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:07,702 to spray-paint my name on a live elephant 640 00:29:07,702 --> 00:29:08,790 at the Philadelphia Zoo. 641 00:29:09,965 --> 00:29:12,838 I went to the zoo, spray-paint in hand, 642 00:29:12,838 --> 00:29:15,188 climbed over the fence, and came to his pit. 643 00:29:15,536 --> 00:29:19,670 I walked up to the elephant. I wrote "Cornbread lives." 644 00:29:20,846 --> 00:29:22,064 I got locked up that day. 645 00:29:23,283 --> 00:29:25,589 When the police officers learned that I was in custody 646 00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:27,591 all the cops started coming to my cell 647 00:29:27,591 --> 00:29:28,941 asking me for my autograph. 648 00:29:29,245 --> 00:29:32,945 My name rang like Jesus Christ. 649 00:29:33,728 --> 00:29:35,556 They talked about it in the newspapers 650 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:37,384 and it just blew out of context. 651 00:29:37,601 --> 00:29:39,952 Cornbread, he's the most famous that was. 652 00:29:39,952 --> 00:29:42,868 He's got his name on elephants and stuff like this, 653 00:29:43,172 --> 00:29:44,783 you know, and that's pretty bold. 654 00:29:44,783 --> 00:29:45,740 You gonna go to the zoo 655 00:29:45,958 --> 00:29:47,176 and write your name on an elephant? 656 00:29:47,394 --> 00:29:50,353 You know, 'cause, again, we were always trying to find 657 00:29:50,571 --> 00:29:53,530 the wildest things you could possibly find 658 00:29:53,879 --> 00:29:55,924 that would get the attention of other people, 659 00:29:56,098 --> 00:29:59,406 you know. And, you know, this of course this was really wild 660 00:29:59,580 --> 00:30:02,148 so, I mean, this was off-the-chart, 661 00:30:02,322 --> 00:30:05,281 to go over a fence and spray paint an elephant. 662 00:30:07,414 --> 00:30:09,198 REPORTER: Vandalism is one of our country's 663 00:30:09,198 --> 00:30:10,765 biggest problems today. 664 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,942 Estimates for destruction to school facilities alone 665 00:30:14,116 --> 00:30:16,640 is over $100 million per year 666 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:19,382 and counting all acts of vandalism 667 00:30:19,382 --> 00:30:21,036 to public and private property 668 00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:25,432 some experts push the figure to over $1 billion every year. 669 00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:29,479 Of course, a billion dollars is only money. 670 00:30:30,263 --> 00:30:32,004 But what about the tens of thousands 671 00:30:32,004 --> 00:30:33,440 of these young people 672 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,920 convicted of these crimes? 673 00:30:37,096 --> 00:30:40,012 I had some sources in the Black community in Philadelphia 674 00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,101 and couple of them said 675 00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,233 they could help me find these guys. 676 00:30:44,538 --> 00:30:47,541 So we set-up a meeting at the Philadelphia Inquirer. 677 00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:51,110 I remember May 2nd, 1971. 678 00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:52,981 Todaymagazine did an article 679 00:30:52,981 --> 00:30:55,462 on "“The Aerosol Aerographers and Why We Do It"”. 680 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,986 That was my mission as a reporter, to explain it. 681 00:30:58,465 --> 00:31:01,294 But when people read it they took it the wrong way. 682 00:31:01,729 --> 00:31:04,427 The Inquirer received 400 letters 683 00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:07,169 and people were genuinely angry. 684 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:11,043 They took it as an endorsement and it was never an endorsement. 685 00:31:11,913 --> 00:31:14,873 KIDD: I think at that point things really blew up 686 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:18,006 and a number of other writers came out of the woodworks. 687 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:19,834 LEWIS: See, see somebody wrote up there "the crew," 688 00:31:19,834 --> 00:31:21,488 I don't know who put "the crew" here. 689 00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:23,098 And that happened a lot. 690 00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:25,144 One person would put their name on the wall 691 00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:28,843 and then, in the long run, everybody would hit, 692 00:31:29,017 --> 00:31:33,500 especially the top names, and as soon as the top names hit then, 693 00:31:33,717 --> 00:31:35,850 you know, following bang, bang, bang, bang, 694 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:37,112 with the names up on it. 695 00:31:37,591 --> 00:31:38,505 But, you know, like when 696 00:31:38,766 --> 00:31:40,159 Cornbread put his name up on the wall 697 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:41,508 then everybody would hit. 698 00:31:41,725 --> 00:31:44,772 SANDY: I looked at it as an archaeological kind of a thing. 699 00:31:44,990 --> 00:31:46,469 What are people gonna think 700 00:31:46,469 --> 00:31:48,080 when they unearth this civilization 701 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,124 and they see this stuff? 702 00:31:50,865 --> 00:31:53,781 BAMA: New Yorkers and cats from Philly 703 00:31:53,781 --> 00:31:58,046 shared some kind of symbiotic relationship. 704 00:31:58,046 --> 00:32:00,353 Yeah, I don't know what it was but it was real. 705 00:32:01,528 --> 00:32:05,924 So, you know, guys from Philly who say "we were first," 706 00:32:06,402 --> 00:32:07,490 God bless 'em. 707 00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:09,144 Guys from the Bronx who say, 708 00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,320 "No, we were first," God bless 'em. 709 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,758 Who's to say who was first? It's not that important. 710 00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:16,325 If it never went anywhere 711 00:32:16,325 --> 00:32:18,240 it wouldn't have mattered who was first or last. 712 00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:20,155 It's only important because 713 00:32:20,155 --> 00:32:22,157 you want to establish how it started. 714 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,379 You know, I know guys from other cities. 715 00:32:26,596 --> 00:32:29,991 They're saying, "We were first." Oh, that was good. 716 00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:33,647 But, you know, there's kids that never left their neighborhoods. 717 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:35,910 If they were first in their neighborhood 718 00:32:36,128 --> 00:32:37,912 and they had never been to Washington Heights, 719 00:32:37,912 --> 00:32:40,001 well then they were first there. 720 00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:45,789 LSD OM: I lived on a commune in 1970 721 00:32:45,789 --> 00:32:47,835 up here in West Kill, New York 722 00:32:48,749 --> 00:32:51,926 so after I came back from that commune in 1970 723 00:32:52,535 --> 00:32:54,842 and I landed back with my own group of friends 724 00:32:54,842 --> 00:32:57,323 in Central Park around the Bethesda Fountain 725 00:32:57,758 --> 00:32:59,629 that'’s when I started writing really. 726 00:32:59,803 --> 00:33:04,373 But I remember in '71 you could go on the number one train, 727 00:33:04,678 --> 00:33:06,723 or any station like that on the way up, 728 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:10,292 every single piece of the White tile would be tagged, 729 00:33:10,292 --> 00:33:11,990 like, totally bombed. 730 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,427 I remember the first time I went uptown 731 00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:17,343 and, like, the doors opened up on a station like that, 732 00:33:17,343 --> 00:33:18,822 I thought, "Oh, my god." 733 00:33:18,822 --> 00:33:21,260 If you never saw anything like it, it was scary. 734 00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:23,566 You didn't feel safe right away. You felt like 735 00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:26,395 if people could write this much all over the place, 736 00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:27,875 where are the cops? 737 00:33:27,875 --> 00:33:29,790 Like, this is wild up here. 738 00:33:29,964 --> 00:33:32,488 Our society has got to a chaotic state. 739 00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:34,708 That's when the odds are the trains are getting hit, 740 00:33:35,274 --> 00:33:38,016 and I mean, there were hundreds of writers then. 741 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,321 I thought, "Oh, my god, 742 00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:42,324 this is a scene, this is a cultural explosion." 743 00:33:42,324 --> 00:33:44,500 [DOG BARKING] 744 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:47,373 BOB: A dramatic scenario staged by the MTA 745 00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:49,505 shows what can happen to a graffiti artist 746 00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:51,246 as he decorates a subway car. 747 00:33:51,246 --> 00:33:52,900 [DOG BARKING] 748 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:54,467 The trainers have the guard dog 749 00:33:54,467 --> 00:33:56,164 handled by a private detective 750 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:58,166 is programmed to attack on command 751 00:33:58,166 --> 00:34:00,516 and stop on command, but not to kill. 752 00:34:00,516 --> 00:34:02,214 Even the threat of violent death 753 00:34:02,214 --> 00:34:03,693 has failed to keep graffiti artists 754 00:34:03,693 --> 00:34:05,304 out of subway yards and tunnels. 755 00:34:05,695 --> 00:34:08,307 At least one death by fire in the past year, 756 00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:09,656 one by decapitation, 757 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,354 and two by electrocution on the third rail. 758 00:34:12,789 --> 00:34:15,314 Is it possible then that such dedicated artists 759 00:34:15,488 --> 00:34:17,316 will abandon their natural habitat 760 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:19,144 to avoid being bitten by a dog? 761 00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:22,016 For NewsCenter 4, Bob Teague. 762 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:25,106 NARRATOR: With walls covered in names 763 00:34:25,324 --> 00:34:28,544 legibility and street numbers were no longer enough. 764 00:34:28,544 --> 00:34:32,331 In order to stand out, writers had to add style. 765 00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:36,900 In my world, wearing a crown meant that I became a king. 766 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:43,777 As we started adding crowns and bubbles and squiggly lines 767 00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:46,780 it became even more entertaining, 768 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:48,477 more fascinating for me. 769 00:34:48,825 --> 00:34:51,437 And I kept trying to so hard, but I could never come up. 770 00:34:51,437 --> 00:34:54,353 Like, I just, I couldn't bring my skills up 771 00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:58,183 and that's JK, you know, Mike171. 772 00:34:58,183 --> 00:34:59,227 These guys were like, 773 00:34:59,227 --> 00:35:00,837 in my eyes, they were like artists 774 00:35:01,795 --> 00:35:04,102 and I couldn't bring myself to that level 775 00:35:04,363 --> 00:35:08,845 because my level of art was taking a 45 apart 776 00:35:09,411 --> 00:35:11,631 and putting it back together while I'm blindfolded, 777 00:35:11,979 --> 00:35:17,245 that was my art. That's it, that's the old Henry161. 778 00:35:17,985 --> 00:35:19,726 NARRATOR: Writers all around the city 779 00:35:19,726 --> 00:35:21,467 started to embellish their names 780 00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:24,557 with arrows, stars and even characters. 781 00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:26,559 BAMA: You know, style didn't become an issue 782 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,909 until like, end of 1970, '71. 783 00:35:29,301 --> 00:35:31,520 Then all of a sudden it became who had the best style, 784 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,435 who got this, who did this? I might blow up. 785 00:35:33,435 --> 00:35:36,264 Everybody had their own unique style, 786 00:35:36,264 --> 00:35:38,571 just like a signature on a check or something. 787 00:35:38,571 --> 00:35:40,268 After I started writing my name 788 00:35:40,268 --> 00:35:42,183 I started putting designs around it 789 00:35:42,183 --> 00:35:43,663 because I kinda liked these things. 790 00:35:43,663 --> 00:35:45,882 I used to put like a little flower on top of it 791 00:35:45,882 --> 00:35:47,580 and the peace sign underneath mine. 792 00:35:47,580 --> 00:35:49,364 First, it started with just eyebrows 793 00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:51,932 and then if Earl hit on the wall 794 00:35:51,932 --> 00:35:53,499 next to me I would draw eyes 795 00:35:53,499 --> 00:35:55,196 like I was looking over at Earl. 796 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:59,374 It was an art form that "I got your back, I'm watching you." 797 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:05,250 I definitely started the eyeballs, the stars on the side, 798 00:36:05,424 --> 00:36:07,252 and I may have started the eyebrows, 799 00:36:07,252 --> 00:36:08,340 I'm not really sure. I don't want 800 00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:09,384 to take credit for something 801 00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:10,342 that I really didn't do, 802 00:36:10,777 --> 00:36:15,695 but I really do believe that I may have started that. 803 00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:18,219 Yeah, I did invent the crown 804 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,483 and then other people tried to portray that 805 00:36:21,483 --> 00:36:24,704 and make their own crowns but it wasn't the same. 806 00:36:25,052 --> 00:36:26,836 I was the one who first started it. 807 00:36:26,923 --> 00:36:29,187 Babyface86 started the crown. 808 00:36:29,361 --> 00:36:30,840 You know some other person say it was him 809 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,146 but it was not, he lied. 810 00:36:33,103 --> 00:36:35,976 Cornbread started hitting, Cornbread King of the Walls 811 00:36:35,976 --> 00:36:37,107 and started putting a crown up 812 00:36:37,107 --> 00:36:38,761 and everybody started following suit. 813 00:36:38,761 --> 00:36:41,764 So no question Cornbread started the crown, to my knowledge. 814 00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:46,247 REPORTER: Commissioner, what part of your manpower 815 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:48,858 and how much of your budget is devoted to 816 00:36:48,858 --> 00:36:50,295 cleaning up after vandals? 817 00:36:50,817 --> 00:36:52,427 Well, the direct cost of vandalism 818 00:36:52,427 --> 00:36:55,648 we figure at about $1,100,000 a year. 819 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:58,259 The indirect cost is very much higher than that 820 00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:00,609 because we're constantly having to divert men 821 00:37:00,783 --> 00:37:02,307 who could be doing constructive work 822 00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:04,091 in the green parts of the park 823 00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:08,008 to doing-- To correcting antisocial 824 00:37:08,008 --> 00:37:09,531 and often very vicious acts. 825 00:37:09,836 --> 00:37:13,318 At the moment we are dealing with it with a program 826 00:37:13,492 --> 00:37:15,711 that tries to act on the principle 827 00:37:15,885 --> 00:37:17,931 that if you can catch vandalism quickly 828 00:37:18,192 --> 00:37:21,021 you prevent that further deterioration which sets in. 829 00:37:21,195 --> 00:37:24,503 And we've organized the squads and trucks in each burrow, 830 00:37:24,764 --> 00:37:26,156 which are going to be able to go out 831 00:37:26,418 --> 00:37:29,856 and do the minimal but necessary repairs on the spot. 832 00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:32,206 When that's done, they leave a sign 833 00:37:32,206 --> 00:37:34,643 saying "We've been here in a preliminary way" 834 00:37:34,643 --> 00:37:37,646 the vandals have done their work but PRCA will be back. 835 00:37:37,951 --> 00:37:41,128 I became attached to it, it is like, a disease, I guess. 836 00:37:41,128 --> 00:37:43,261 I never left home without my magic marker. 837 00:37:43,435 --> 00:37:46,220 I used to get home late at night from the morning at school, 838 00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:49,832 all full of paint. All hell over my hands, you know, like, 839 00:37:50,703 --> 00:37:53,096 then go home, eat, take a shower, 840 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:54,402 back the same shit next morning. 841 00:37:54,576 --> 00:37:57,536 It was an escape route. I would forget the streets. 842 00:37:57,536 --> 00:37:58,972 I didn't think of no violence, 843 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,930 I didn't think of my mother getting beat up. 844 00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,845 I didn't think of anything bad. 845 00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:05,370 In my mind it was just focused on the graffiti. 846 00:38:05,761 --> 00:38:06,980 Well, you're treacherous, you know what I mean, 847 00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:08,982 you're like, Gulliver-- Gulliver-- Gulliver-- 848 00:38:08,982 --> 00:38:10,853 what is it, Gulliver'’s Travels, you know what I mean, 849 00:38:11,114 --> 00:38:13,421 you just wanna go on an adventure, you know, 850 00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:15,336 get outta your neighborhood, see something different. 851 00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:18,905 They know me as Mike171, Mighty Whitey, 852 00:38:18,905 --> 00:38:20,950 Downtown Mounty Maker, Downtown Heartbreaker, 853 00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:23,126 from the city with no pity so nice 854 00:38:23,126 --> 00:38:25,128 they have to name it twice, New York, New York. 855 00:38:25,738 --> 00:38:28,610 If you mess with me you will see how much trouble I can be. 856 00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:31,047 Always with .38 and .45. 857 00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:35,182 But they were my spray cans, that's how I express myself. 858 00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,011 That's how we grew up man, you know. 859 00:38:38,011 --> 00:38:40,230 My father died when I was 12 in '68, 860 00:38:40,883 --> 00:38:43,321 October 19th. Steve's father left his family. 861 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,061 Steve's the oldest of four kids. 862 00:38:45,584 --> 00:38:47,281 And we had to go out in the streets 863 00:38:47,281 --> 00:38:49,022 and provide for our families. 864 00:38:49,414 --> 00:38:51,241 You know, and this is where graffiti came in 865 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,331 because we kinda started to let loose. 866 00:38:53,766 --> 00:38:55,463 You know, I was angry at the government, 867 00:38:55,768 --> 00:38:57,204 you know, my father taken away, 868 00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:59,380 my younger brother just died a few years ago. 869 00:38:59,946 --> 00:39:02,731 I had an incident that happened to me I really don't share. 870 00:39:03,558 --> 00:39:06,779 I was pushing robbery, guy pushed me in the hole, 871 00:39:06,779 --> 00:39:08,433 when he beat me with the gun, 872 00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:10,522 put me in the closet, ransacked the house. 873 00:39:10,957 --> 00:39:13,046 And what he did, he undressed me and raped me. 874 00:39:13,438 --> 00:39:15,483 And he put a knife to me, gun to me, 875 00:39:15,483 --> 00:39:16,963 he penetrated me, I blacked out. 876 00:39:17,180 --> 00:39:21,141 Thirteen years old, and at that point in life, 877 00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:23,665 you know, I share this because this is something 878 00:39:23,665 --> 00:39:25,928 that I have to reveal of who I am today 879 00:39:26,102 --> 00:39:30,368 because of that made me close down, 880 00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:32,370 I put a steel casing around my life, 881 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:33,936 I put a brick wall around that. 882 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:37,418 And I just went on the suicidal homicidal mission. 883 00:39:37,592 --> 00:39:39,986 You know, I was graffiti all the time out in the streets, 884 00:39:39,986 --> 00:39:42,380 drugs, gang banging, the whole nine. 885 00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:44,077 And I don't care if I lived or died. 886 00:39:44,512 --> 00:39:46,688 You know, the gangs came to us and said, 887 00:39:46,688 --> 00:39:49,256 "Listen, you guys live here, 888 00:39:49,256 --> 00:39:51,954 we got a gang, you want protection, 889 00:39:51,954 --> 00:39:53,129 you want nothing happening to you, 890 00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:54,348 you got to join with us." 891 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:59,135 The older guys that were like 15, 16, 17 years old, 892 00:39:59,135 --> 00:40:02,008 they were starting to wear their gang jackets. 893 00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:06,012 And that caught my attention 'cause it was more violent 894 00:40:06,447 --> 00:40:10,320 and I liked the violence, more than I did the graffiti. 895 00:40:10,538 --> 00:40:12,758 HENRY 161:So I started being a gangster 896 00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:16,022 but a graffiti gangster with my jacket. 897 00:40:17,937 --> 00:40:19,939 NARRATOR: The new gangs were more vicious 898 00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:22,202 than ever and heavily armed. 899 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,813 Most writers wanted to avoid them, 900 00:40:24,813 --> 00:40:27,250 but others were ready to join. 901 00:40:28,034 --> 00:40:30,428 SAVAGE NOMADS: They tried to take over one of my divisions. 902 00:40:31,341 --> 00:40:33,692 But they didn't quite make it and we killed two of their guys. 903 00:40:33,692 --> 00:40:35,302 They tried to burn down my clubhouse, 904 00:40:35,302 --> 00:40:37,086 we killed two of their guys 905 00:40:37,086 --> 00:40:38,610 and five of their guys rolled up on 906 00:40:38,610 --> 00:40:40,829 one of the Savage Nomads, know what he told them? 907 00:40:40,829 --> 00:40:42,788 "Oh, we gonna give you hell, baby, 908 00:40:42,788 --> 00:40:44,703 we gonna get you hell." And they didn't even kill them. 909 00:40:44,703 --> 00:40:46,269 At that time we had this little group 910 00:40:46,269 --> 00:40:47,445 called The Latin Lords, 911 00:40:47,706 --> 00:40:51,187 was me, Babyface, a cousin of mine from the Bronx, 912 00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:53,320 couple of other brothers though, you know, he told me, 913 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,843 "Why don't you guys become Savage Nomads?" 914 00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:57,629 so I say, "Yo, Babyface, let's became Savage Nomads." 915 00:40:57,629 --> 00:40:58,499 And-- 916 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,546 We can't be Savage Nomads 'cause this was the beginning, you see. 917 00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:03,983 This is a new club. Then after we got established, 918 00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:04,853 before you join the club 919 00:41:05,245 --> 00:41:06,246 you gotta go through some different shit. 920 00:41:06,681 --> 00:41:09,075 Get initiated, get your ass kicked and whatever. 921 00:41:09,249 --> 00:41:11,991 I was affiliated with the Hellafied Sisters. 922 00:41:12,252 --> 00:41:14,384 It was a group of girls and we would hang out 923 00:41:14,384 --> 00:41:16,038 and a lotta times we'd go to 184th Street 924 00:41:16,038 --> 00:41:17,953 and we'd get together with the Savage Nomads. 925 00:41:18,127 --> 00:41:20,347 SPANKY 132: It was a good time back then with the gangs. 926 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:23,045 Back then, you'd get into your fights, 927 00:41:23,045 --> 00:41:25,439 you'd have your stabbings, you're fighting with the chains, 928 00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:27,833 fighting with bottles and then the next thing you know, 929 00:41:27,833 --> 00:41:29,661 a month down the road you guys are friends again. 930 00:41:30,052 --> 00:41:32,272 UNDERTAKER ASH: When I was kidnapped by the drug stompers 931 00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:34,709 I was DJing a party and they came to the party 932 00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:37,451 and there were guns and knives and they took me 933 00:41:37,973 --> 00:41:42,543 to their headquarters, made me sign a treaty to join them. 934 00:41:42,804 --> 00:41:45,503 HENRY 161: Back then, the initiation for the gang 935 00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:48,157 that I was gonna get into, the Galaxies, 936 00:41:48,418 --> 00:41:52,118 was 10 whacks with a Garrison belt, 937 00:41:52,118 --> 00:41:53,380 Army Garrison belt. 938 00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:55,774 And 10 people would take one shot each 939 00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:58,428 at your ass with your pants down. 940 00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:02,520 But in my case I didn't have to do that because 941 00:42:02,694 --> 00:42:06,393 the night before the initiation I went out to a school dance 942 00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:12,138 with Cay161 and we had to take the girls to 125th Street 943 00:42:12,138 --> 00:42:13,705 where they lived in the Projects 944 00:42:14,227 --> 00:42:16,229 and we got approached by some gangsters 945 00:42:16,229 --> 00:42:17,447 called The Black Spades. 946 00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:19,928 And even though we didn't have jackets 947 00:42:20,233 --> 00:42:21,887 they still wanted to beat on us 948 00:42:21,887 --> 00:42:23,715 and one of them grabbed an antennae 949 00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:25,804 and swiped it across my face. 950 00:42:26,805 --> 00:42:30,025 So, the next day when I went for my initiation 951 00:42:30,025 --> 00:42:31,853 I had to get walked into the clubhouse 952 00:42:32,158 --> 00:42:36,118 'cause my face, my eyeballs were too swollen and I couldn't see. 953 00:42:36,336 --> 00:42:37,859 So my friends that walked me into 954 00:42:37,859 --> 00:42:40,296 the clubhouse to get my initiation 955 00:42:40,296 --> 00:42:43,517 after they seen me the president of the gang said, 956 00:42:43,517 --> 00:42:44,474 'Oh, no, no, it's okay, 957 00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,346 Henry doesn't need to be initiated, 958 00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:48,522 he got his initiation last night." 959 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:50,872 NARRATOR: Just like we'll never know if New York City 960 00:42:50,872 --> 00:42:52,744 or Philadelphia was first with graffiti, 961 00:42:52,918 --> 00:42:55,007 we'll also never know which had gangs first. 962 00:42:55,181 --> 00:42:57,575 What we do know is the effect the rise of the gangs 963 00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,664 had on wall writing in each city. 964 00:42:59,838 --> 00:43:04,712 KIDD: '69 and up until the '70s was really the hard gang era. 965 00:43:04,973 --> 00:43:08,063 The drugs swept through the neighborhoods like a plague 966 00:43:08,324 --> 00:43:09,935 and it was the heroine 967 00:43:09,935 --> 00:43:12,807 and all this social activity went to the wayside, 968 00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:15,680 a whole lotta my good friends started dying. 969 00:43:16,028 --> 00:43:18,204 JOE COOL: Philadelphia was like Vietnam. 970 00:43:18,683 --> 00:43:22,991 The gangs were so bad, it was, it's a wonder I'm still alive, 971 00:43:22,991 --> 00:43:26,734 a lotta guys that I grew up with are dead or in jail. 972 00:43:26,908 --> 00:43:29,171 Certain neighborhoods you couldn't even write in 973 00:43:29,345 --> 00:43:30,608 'cause the gangsters 974 00:43:30,738 --> 00:43:32,479 didn't want you to write in their neighborhood. 975 00:43:32,871 --> 00:43:36,091 Gangs only wrote on walls in their turf 976 00:43:36,091 --> 00:43:37,397 to identify their turf. 977 00:43:39,268 --> 00:43:40,661 LEWIS: That's one thing I didn't mess around with, 978 00:43:40,661 --> 00:43:43,229 I never put no gang stuff on walls. 979 00:43:43,795 --> 00:43:45,013 See, because that was trouble. 980 00:43:45,013 --> 00:43:46,145 You asked for trouble when you put-- 981 00:43:46,145 --> 00:43:48,060 You write gang stuff up there, 982 00:43:48,234 --> 00:43:51,541 you rivaling a gang, and that, then you get in trouble. 983 00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:55,067 you know? You write gang stuff, they're gonna that-- 984 00:43:55,284 --> 00:43:58,723 We got in trouble, remember, we got in trouble, 985 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,986 yeah, when we was on 60th and Market? 986 00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:03,031 One day? 987 00:44:03,423 --> 00:44:06,818 -When it was the-- Remember? -Oh, right, right, right. 988 00:44:06,818 --> 00:44:09,037 The Moon was chasing us all over. 989 00:44:09,037 --> 00:44:12,040 LEWIS: Oh, "we heard you wrote your name 990 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,563 on our turf" and all that. 991 00:44:13,563 --> 00:44:15,435 Yeah. [LAUGHS] 992 00:44:15,435 --> 00:44:17,132 Oh, man, I told them, remember, I say 993 00:44:17,132 --> 00:44:19,004 I wrote my name in a whole lotta turfs. 994 00:44:19,004 --> 00:44:20,919 [BOTH LAUGHING] 995 00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:23,138 One thing I didn't back down from. 996 00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:26,489 But I knew when to get outta dodge and things got crazy 997 00:44:26,489 --> 00:44:27,577 'cause you knew most of the town 998 00:44:27,577 --> 00:44:29,188 at night was gonna happen. 999 00:44:29,841 --> 00:44:32,539 I could sense, "It's time to go." 1000 00:44:34,236 --> 00:44:36,586 NARRATOR: Writers who were also gang members 1001 00:44:36,586 --> 00:44:39,328 faced the difficulty of a dual life. 1002 00:44:39,633 --> 00:44:44,246 This is our area, Young Galaxy's area, this is our territory, 1003 00:44:44,464 --> 00:44:47,641 we still were gang oriented, 1004 00:44:47,641 --> 00:44:49,643 even though we were doing the graffiti. 1005 00:44:49,817 --> 00:44:51,776 'Cause, yeah, thing is you'd get busted, right, 1006 00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:55,693 then they had "Joe182, Savage Nomad" you know. 1007 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:57,999 This is the same fucking guy, though, no? 1008 00:44:57,999 --> 00:45:00,436 I don't wanna get no banged for bullshit, 1009 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:03,135 get busted, Joe182, it's a different story. 1010 00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:04,310 I get busted doing gang shit 1011 00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,268 it's a whole different story, you know? 1012 00:45:06,268 --> 00:45:08,357 So I keep it like that, keep it apart. 1013 00:45:08,357 --> 00:45:10,403 NARRATOR: Most writers were not in gangs 1014 00:45:10,403 --> 00:45:12,971 and hung out in small unnamed groups 1015 00:45:13,145 --> 00:45:16,975 that lacked organization. But in the summer of 1971 1016 00:45:17,149 --> 00:45:18,716 that started to change. 1017 00:45:22,241 --> 00:45:23,242 SPANKY 132: If it was in this book 1018 00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:24,852 it had to be before '74 1019 00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:26,375 'cause that's when I went into the Navy. 1020 00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:32,686 SJK, the other Greek fella, he's a nice guy too. 1021 00:45:33,687 --> 00:45:36,995 Writers Corner, that's a very interesting corner, 1022 00:45:36,995 --> 00:45:38,257 that Writers Corner. 1023 00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:41,869 That corner right there is where Snake1 used to live, my nephew. 1024 00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:43,958 My sister had an apartment there. 1025 00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:47,179 Writers Corner was a corner that was developed, 1026 00:45:47,179 --> 00:45:50,878 I believe by Snake1 and Stitch1. 1027 00:45:51,139 --> 00:45:54,969 Stitch1 is the one who invented Writers Corner because 1028 00:45:55,883 --> 00:45:57,363 his girlfriend used to live 1029 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:01,149 about maybe 50 feet away from the corner. 1030 00:46:01,367 --> 00:46:05,632 Before it was Writers Corner, it was Stitch & Rocky's Corner. 1031 00:46:06,372 --> 00:46:07,808 Stitch and I were in love 1032 00:46:09,157 --> 00:46:12,421 and he was-- He treated me like gold. 1033 00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:14,859 His parents, I'd go over there 1034 00:46:15,033 --> 00:46:16,861 it was like Christmas anytime I went over there. 1035 00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:19,080 They treated me really well. 1036 00:46:20,212 --> 00:46:22,214 There's where my father had a problem. 1037 00:46:22,954 --> 00:46:24,956 He wasn't very fond of Stitch. 1038 00:46:25,434 --> 00:46:27,001 SJK 171: Stitch1 was the tough guy, 1039 00:46:27,001 --> 00:46:28,481 the master at arms of the group. 1040 00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:29,961 He would take care of us. 1041 00:46:30,222 --> 00:46:32,441 Anybody messed with us Stitch took care of them. 1042 00:46:32,615 --> 00:46:35,009 And I was so much a little bit of that too also. 1043 00:46:35,183 --> 00:46:38,447 ROCKY 184: Stitch was tall, dark and bow-legged. 1044 00:46:38,621 --> 00:46:40,014 His family came out of Cuba 1045 00:46:40,493 --> 00:46:42,495 and he just had that face that'd just hang 1046 00:46:42,669 --> 00:46:43,757 and just wait to see who came up. 1047 00:46:44,062 --> 00:46:47,239 Then SJK 171, myself, and Jax5 met 1048 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,502 Snake1, Stitch1 and Cat87. 1049 00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:53,245 They asked us to be members of the Writers Corner 188. 1050 00:46:53,419 --> 00:46:55,029 Now that was kind of a borderline 1051 00:46:55,029 --> 00:46:57,162 between the gangs of Washington Heights. 1052 00:46:57,336 --> 00:46:59,555 Now this was a meeting place, the safe haven. 1053 00:46:59,729 --> 00:47:01,949 Used to sit there, spray painting that corner. 1054 00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:04,865 There used to be a Writers Corner truck that everybody hit 1055 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:06,562 and the guy didn't seem to mind 1056 00:47:06,562 --> 00:47:08,216 cause he gave up cleaning the truck. 1057 00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:10,784 I don't remember anybody's legal name, 1058 00:47:10,784 --> 00:47:13,439 we all knew each other by our tag name. 1059 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:16,485 After a while all the writers from all around the city 1060 00:47:16,485 --> 00:47:19,184 from Brooklyn, Bronx, they would all come up there. 1061 00:47:19,184 --> 00:47:21,708 JEC#*: We hung out there, we'd go to Writers Corner 1062 00:47:21,708 --> 00:47:23,797 to see who else was on Writers Corner, 1063 00:47:24,102 --> 00:47:25,973 what other graffiti writers we could meet, 1064 00:47:26,147 --> 00:47:27,845 what other styles we could pick up. 1065 00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:29,716 ROCKY 184: It would get packed in a matter of seconds. 1066 00:47:29,977 --> 00:47:32,066 Their markers, their cans, where they're gonna go, 1067 00:47:32,066 --> 00:47:33,024 what they're gonna do. 1068 00:47:33,241 --> 00:47:35,504 And we kinda combined everybody together, 1069 00:47:35,504 --> 00:47:36,636 you know, like opened up. 1070 00:47:36,984 --> 00:47:39,204 BAMA: Number one question when you met a writer was, 1071 00:47:39,378 --> 00:47:40,727 "Do you write?" 1072 00:47:41,075 --> 00:47:44,470 And when they said "Yes," it was, "Let's go." 1073 00:47:44,644 --> 00:47:47,952 And it wasn't looking at them for what they looked like, 1074 00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:49,997 or who they were or how they spoke. 1075 00:47:50,171 --> 00:47:52,391 SNAKE1: So the gangs, the colors started coming off 1076 00:47:52,391 --> 00:47:55,524 so graffiti kind of broke down the barrier of the gangs. 1077 00:47:55,742 --> 00:47:59,137 BAMA: It was that unification of "We are all writers." 1078 00:47:59,311 --> 00:48:01,182 ROCKY 184: It was our spot, our moment, 1079 00:48:01,182 --> 00:48:03,445 it was a way for me and Stitch to always be together. 1080 00:48:05,752 --> 00:48:09,538 I look back at it as people say 1081 00:48:09,538 --> 00:48:12,150 that you gotta be a certain age to love and feel 1082 00:48:13,716 --> 00:48:15,327 I really loved Stitch. 1083 00:48:17,895 --> 00:48:21,420 I think I-- I put him so far in the back of my head 1084 00:48:23,509 --> 00:48:26,338 but when we talk about him, he was 1085 00:48:27,817 --> 00:48:29,515 one true love 1086 00:48:31,996 --> 00:48:33,301 and that's how I look at graffiti. 1087 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:37,827 Stitch1, Rocky184 equal graffiti. 1088 00:48:38,611 --> 00:48:39,786 That's how I look at it. 1089 00:48:40,265 --> 00:48:43,442 NARRATOR: Writers Corner was the hangout spot in Manhattan, 1090 00:48:43,833 --> 00:48:45,705 but across the Brooklyn Bridge 1091 00:48:45,879 --> 00:48:49,361 writers Friendly Freddy, Fantastic Eddie, 1092 00:48:49,535 --> 00:48:54,018 Super Goldie, Flowers Dice and Undertaker Ash 1093 00:48:54,192 --> 00:48:56,542 as well as the gang, The Vanguards, 1094 00:48:56,542 --> 00:48:58,109 developed a local style 1095 00:48:58,283 --> 00:49:01,112 complete with loopy letters and lots of flair. 1096 00:49:02,591 --> 00:49:05,725 The Brooklyn writers that, that I experienced, 1097 00:49:05,725 --> 00:49:09,859 seen the most and it was maybe as I took several trips 1098 00:49:09,859 --> 00:49:13,907 down to Brooklyn were like Flowers Dice, Undertaker Ash, 1099 00:49:14,081 --> 00:49:17,258 and their styles were so much more unique 1100 00:49:17,563 --> 00:49:20,958 that it sorta created a-- 1101 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:23,264 A need to go back to Brooklyn more often 1102 00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:24,918 to see what was happening. 1103 00:49:25,136 --> 00:49:29,314 I just, the best I can remember Flowers Dice 1104 00:49:29,314 --> 00:49:31,925 as being something like that. 1105 00:49:31,925 --> 00:49:34,797 It was fairly simple 'cause they were very, very early. 1106 00:49:35,407 --> 00:49:37,757 I just remember him looping the F a bit 1107 00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:42,414 and, you know, Friendly Freddy with a bit of a flourish 1108 00:49:42,414 --> 00:49:45,721 but not, you know, like the subsequent Brooklyn style, 1109 00:49:45,721 --> 00:49:48,768 you know, 'cause Brooklyn style was always very fancy, 1110 00:49:48,942 --> 00:49:51,901 you know, for example, you can do a simple N like this 1111 00:49:51,901 --> 00:49:55,470 or you could do the, I think the knoll N like that, 1112 00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:58,996 or the vanguard fancy Brooklyn style N. 1113 00:49:59,344 --> 00:50:05,654 The style changing from straight letters to script, if you will, 1114 00:50:05,654 --> 00:50:09,615 or designing was an evolutionary process, I would say. 1115 00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:14,141 Sometimes you had to write quicker, faster, 1116 00:50:14,489 --> 00:50:17,579 you start incorporating art into it. 1117 00:50:17,753 --> 00:50:19,973 LA ZAR: Personally I love the Brooklyn style. 1118 00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:22,236 It had much more flourish to it 1119 00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:24,804 and pizzazz than any other 1120 00:50:24,978 --> 00:50:28,416 before and since other than maybe the Philadelphia guys. 1121 00:50:28,634 --> 00:50:31,376 There are no 120's or 161's 1122 00:50:31,376 --> 00:50:32,855 or anything like that in Brooklyn, 1123 00:50:32,986 --> 00:50:37,121 you know, all the streets have names and I think it's perhaps 1124 00:50:37,121 --> 00:50:40,298 a more individualistic place than some of the others. 1125 00:50:40,776 --> 00:50:44,432 Undertaker Ash, Undertaker Ash is a good friend of mine, 1126 00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:47,609 been a friend of mine for almost 40 years 1127 00:50:48,088 --> 00:50:51,613 and at one point in time, in Brooklyn, 1128 00:50:51,918 --> 00:50:54,616 and if you ask real people who have real memories, 1129 00:50:54,877 --> 00:50:57,880 Undertaker Ash was everywhere and probably was 1130 00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,839 the number one graffiti writer in New York City. 1131 00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:02,842 My name's Undertaker Ash, it's my tag name. 1132 00:51:03,016 --> 00:51:05,236 I started writing from 1969 to 1970. 1133 00:51:06,454 --> 00:51:09,414 Well, everyone wanted a tag name, that's original, 1134 00:51:09,414 --> 00:51:10,850 so I always look at the undertaker 1135 00:51:10,850 --> 00:51:12,199 as a very mystical person 1136 00:51:12,286 --> 00:51:14,419 and, you know, he never dies in the movie, 1137 00:51:14,419 --> 00:51:16,377 he's always the last guy in the movie to live. 1138 00:51:16,551 --> 00:51:18,814 So I said, "Well, I'm gonna use that name, the Undertaker." 1139 00:51:20,903 --> 00:51:22,296 WICKED GARY: It was a social thing, you know, 1140 00:51:22,296 --> 00:51:23,819 but then hanging with the guys, 1141 00:51:23,993 --> 00:51:26,431 it just elevated to another step. 1142 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,260 There ended up being a core group of us 1143 00:51:29,434 --> 00:51:31,523 that were hanging all the time that were doing that. 1144 00:51:31,697 --> 00:51:35,092 And one Friday after school 1145 00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:37,790 we decided to go to Dino Mars house 1146 00:51:38,138 --> 00:51:40,184 and sit down and actually have a meeting. 1147 00:51:40,358 --> 00:51:41,533 There were a lot of people there, 1148 00:51:41,533 --> 00:51:42,925 there were about 20 or 30 guys there. 1149 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:45,841 and Dino and I had had a brilliant idea 1150 00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,844 to try to bring graffiti artists under a banner, 1151 00:51:49,018 --> 00:51:51,151 and the organization was the Ex Vandals. 1152 00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:54,981 They would soon become probably the most popular 1153 00:51:55,155 --> 00:51:58,854 graffiti name out there, at least in the Brooklyn scene. 1154 00:51:59,028 --> 00:52:01,292 What he did was convince everybody, 1155 00:52:01,466 --> 00:52:03,120 you know, also from a marketing standpoint, 1156 00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:07,211 "Let's take a period of time, you know, at night, 1157 00:52:07,515 --> 00:52:10,257 go to all the place that everybody's going to see 1158 00:52:10,431 --> 00:52:12,172 and bomb the shit out of it. 1159 00:52:13,217 --> 00:52:17,438 But let's not write our names next to Ex Vandals, 1160 00:52:17,612 --> 00:52:20,659 let's get Ex Vandals out and create a buzz." 1161 00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:22,443 WICKED GARY: For like the first month 1162 00:52:22,443 --> 00:52:24,445 we stopped tagging our own names 1163 00:52:24,619 --> 00:52:26,708 and we strictly only wrote the group name. 1164 00:52:27,405 --> 00:52:30,886 Ex Vandals was the beginning and end-all of everything. 1165 00:52:31,583 --> 00:52:33,454 Our names came second. 1166 00:52:33,454 --> 00:52:36,153 WICKED GARY: The buzz was, "What the fuck is an Ex Vandal?" 1167 00:52:36,327 --> 00:52:38,198 THE JOKER: People thought the Ex Vandals was a gang. 1168 00:52:38,198 --> 00:52:40,331 They didn't realize that it was just a graffiti movement. 1169 00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:43,769 So we figured out a way that we could actually come out 1170 00:52:43,986 --> 00:52:45,379 and see what our reaction was. 1171 00:52:45,553 --> 00:52:48,034 So everybody painted Ex Vandals jackets 1172 00:52:48,208 --> 00:52:50,819 and we had a plan where the first day of the week 1173 00:52:50,993 --> 00:52:53,039 Nard would wear his in the school. 1174 00:52:53,257 --> 00:52:56,390 The next day two more cats. So by the end of the week 1175 00:52:56,564 --> 00:52:59,480 we had all revealed ourselves and it was like, "Whoa!" 1176 00:52:59,741 --> 00:53:01,830 You guys are the Ex Vandals? 1177 00:53:02,091 --> 00:53:05,791 "Yo!" And just the reaction, everybody went crazy. 1178 00:53:06,095 --> 00:53:09,098 Riders on New York City subways are offended daily 1179 00:53:09,098 --> 00:53:11,275 by graffiti sprayed on subway cars 1180 00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:13,581 and station walls in an incredible profusion. 1181 00:53:14,016 --> 00:53:16,584 It's not funny. Cleaning off the mess is expensive. 1182 00:53:16,845 --> 00:53:18,673 Over the years New York has become known 1183 00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:21,198 for just about everything a city can be known for 1184 00:53:21,198 --> 00:53:24,026 its crime, its wealth, its filth, its slums, 1185 00:53:24,026 --> 00:53:26,028 its architecture, its art museums. 1186 00:53:26,377 --> 00:53:28,509 And now it's rapidly becoming known 1187 00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:30,511 as the graffiti capital of the country 1188 00:53:30,511 --> 00:53:32,992 a title Philadelphia's held for years. 1189 00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:35,516 Believe it or not we had morals then. 1190 00:53:36,125 --> 00:53:38,258 A lot of these guys just write on anything, 1191 00:53:38,258 --> 00:53:39,564 anybody's house, property, 1192 00:53:40,347 --> 00:53:42,393 I never wrote on anybody's property. 1193 00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:43,916 That I know of, you know, 1194 00:53:43,916 --> 00:53:45,961 other than big businesses, no one home, 1195 00:53:46,135 --> 00:53:47,224 I'm not gonna go up on their door 1196 00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:48,703 and write my name on their door 1197 00:53:48,877 --> 00:53:51,663 and stuff like that, maybe in the Projects and in the hallways 1198 00:53:51,837 --> 00:53:54,405 I might do it, you know. I'm not justifying 1199 00:53:54,405 --> 00:53:57,451 but you know you did have some morals about you. 1200 00:53:57,451 --> 00:53:59,366 Some guys did, some of them didn't care, 1201 00:53:59,366 --> 00:54:01,847 they'd write on your dog if it'd come by them, they don't care. 1202 00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:04,241 You know, but that dog oughta walk from here to there 1203 00:54:04,415 --> 00:54:06,460 and they'll see, somebody'll see that name. 1204 00:54:06,721 --> 00:54:08,375 We just wanted to get in the paper. 1205 00:54:08,636 --> 00:54:11,378 So what would happen we used to call, you know, 1206 00:54:11,378 --> 00:54:14,338 the paper and let them know that we were gonna give it up. 1207 00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:17,079 So what we would do is, 1208 00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,646 you know, they would arrange a meeting 1209 00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:20,126 and we would come down there 1210 00:54:20,126 --> 00:54:22,041 and we would turn over our spray paint cans 1211 00:54:22,998 --> 00:54:24,826 and tell them that we retire, 1212 00:54:25,131 --> 00:54:26,872 you know, that's it, we wasn't writing no more. 1213 00:54:27,046 --> 00:54:28,700 And it would be in the paper the next day. 1214 00:54:29,353 --> 00:54:31,137 But just as soon as we left out of there 1215 00:54:31,137 --> 00:54:32,312 we started writing again. 1216 00:54:32,791 --> 00:54:34,706 I mean, we never gave, we never quit. 1217 00:54:35,272 --> 00:54:36,360 I mean, it was just a thing 1218 00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:37,926 where we just wanted to get in the paper. 1219 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:39,406 REPORTER: People that say this explosion 1220 00:54:39,624 --> 00:54:43,149 is not clever graffiti, just childish and ugly scrawl. 1221 00:54:43,367 --> 00:54:45,673 Whatever it is, street art or vandalism, 1222 00:54:45,847 --> 00:54:47,632 it's costing millions to rub it off. 1223 00:54:47,893 --> 00:54:50,025 SANDY: I do remember this bubbling anger 1224 00:54:50,025 --> 00:54:51,026 in Philadelphia 1225 00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:54,378 at so many things. There was anger at the police, 1226 00:54:54,813 --> 00:54:57,250 there was anger at the police commissioner, 1227 00:54:57,424 --> 00:54:59,470 there was a tremendous amount of violence. 1228 00:54:59,948 --> 00:55:01,167 NARRATOR: At the height of wall writing 1229 00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:02,516 Timemagazine estimated 1230 00:55:02,516 --> 00:55:04,605 there were 10,000 more graffiti writers 1231 00:55:04,605 --> 00:55:05,911 in Philadelphia than New York 1232 00:55:05,911 --> 00:55:07,434 and this did not go unnoticed. 1233 00:55:07,608 --> 00:55:10,872 Then mayor Frank Rizzo issued a full scale war on graffiti 1234 00:55:11,046 --> 00:55:12,700 with an anti-graffiti campaign. 1235 00:55:12,874 --> 00:55:14,093 His ultimate goal was to put 1236 00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:16,051 as many writers in jail as he could. 1237 00:55:16,225 --> 00:55:19,185 The Philadelphia Art Museum responded with the DUO, 1238 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,449 Department of Urban Outreach, which gave positive options 1239 00:55:22,623 --> 00:55:24,016 and brought new opportunities 1240 00:55:24,016 --> 00:55:25,452 for Philadelphia's wall writers, 1241 00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:28,629 ranging from mural projects to sponsoring a city bus 1242 00:55:28,629 --> 00:55:30,239 to be painted by the vandals. 1243 00:55:30,631 --> 00:55:32,154 CORNBREAD: The graffiti attended the workshop 1244 00:55:32,154 --> 00:55:34,243 invited all these kids 1245 00:55:34,418 --> 00:55:39,074 to do graffiti in a constructive way and possibly get paid 1246 00:55:39,248 --> 00:55:42,904 as opposed to doing graffiti damaging people's property. 1247 00:55:43,427 --> 00:55:48,823 SEPTA gave us a bus to paint and we had a multicolored bus. 1248 00:55:48,823 --> 00:55:50,303 We had paint-- you know, there was a design 1249 00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:51,478 we put on paper first 1250 00:55:51,652 --> 00:55:53,262 and then we took this bus and we painted it, 1251 00:55:53,437 --> 00:55:55,874 it rode through our neighborhood and anytime that bus came 1252 00:55:55,874 --> 00:55:57,702 around we were allowed to ride on it. 1253 00:55:58,050 --> 00:55:59,573 Free. Free of charge. 1254 00:55:59,834 --> 00:56:01,053 And the funny thing about it, 1255 00:56:01,706 --> 00:56:04,752 out of respect, nobody never rode on that bus. 1256 00:56:05,231 --> 00:56:07,799 This is the graffiti workshop's bus. 1257 00:56:10,715 --> 00:56:12,369 NARRATOR: There was a certain purity 1258 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,849 to what the first generation of writers did 1259 00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:18,244 because there was no payoff to it other than local fame. 1260 00:56:19,288 --> 00:56:21,769 That changed in 1972. 1261 00:56:23,292 --> 00:56:24,990 HENRY 161: What happened was we're hanging out 1262 00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:27,906 at 174th and Fort Washington 1263 00:56:29,037 --> 00:56:31,475 and we're hanging out on the wall, 1264 00:56:31,475 --> 00:56:32,737 there's this big wall 1265 00:56:32,737 --> 00:56:35,522 that we used to sit on and the entrance 1266 00:56:35,696 --> 00:56:37,394 to the park was like in the middle. 1267 00:56:37,568 --> 00:56:41,398 Well, here comes this old gentleman, beard, glasses 1268 00:56:41,615 --> 00:56:45,227 and he's asking for names of writers 1269 00:56:45,227 --> 00:56:47,012 and he comes up with my name. 1270 00:56:47,186 --> 00:56:49,493 He says, "I'm looking for Henry161, 1271 00:56:49,493 --> 00:56:52,017 for Snake, Joe182." 1272 00:56:52,191 --> 00:56:54,454 And he's asking do we know Stitch1? 1273 00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:59,807 Older gentleman. Says his name is Hugo Martinez. 1274 00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:02,375 We didn't know who he was, we maybe, you know, 1275 00:57:02,375 --> 00:57:04,595 thought he was a police officer so we didn't tell him anything. 1276 00:57:05,247 --> 00:57:06,814 He told us he wasn't a police officer 1277 00:57:06,814 --> 00:57:08,076 he said he wanted to do some things, 1278 00:57:08,076 --> 00:57:09,991 wanted to get the graffiti off of the street, 1279 00:57:10,383 --> 00:57:12,167 put the graffiti on canvases, 1280 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,343 make the graffiti known to people. 1281 00:57:14,343 --> 00:57:15,432 He called it art. 1282 00:57:15,606 --> 00:57:16,868 COCO 144: My understanding is that 1283 00:57:16,998 --> 00:57:19,653 Hugo was a student of Sociology at City College, 1284 00:57:19,827 --> 00:57:21,916 he wanted to mimic what was going on 1285 00:57:21,916 --> 00:57:23,135 in the streets and the subways 1286 00:57:23,309 --> 00:57:25,616 in the college art room. 1287 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,834 The word got around 1288 00:57:27,269 --> 00:57:28,836 that "We're gonna meet this day at City College" 1289 00:57:29,097 --> 00:57:32,187 and so we still didn't know if we should trust this guy. 1290 00:57:32,797 --> 00:57:35,930 So me, Stitch, I guess Cat, Web2 1291 00:57:37,758 --> 00:57:39,456 we went to City College 1292 00:57:39,456 --> 00:57:41,283 but we couldn't find the building 1293 00:57:41,283 --> 00:57:42,850 where this was taking place. 1294 00:57:44,635 --> 00:57:46,680 So we just kept walking in all the buildings. 1295 00:57:47,681 --> 00:57:49,204 Finally we walked into this one building 1296 00:57:49,204 --> 00:57:50,597 and all we smelled was spray paint, 1297 00:57:50,597 --> 00:57:52,251 we said, "Yep, this is the place." 1298 00:57:52,425 --> 00:57:54,209 It was like walking into Heaven 1299 00:57:54,209 --> 00:57:57,909 because we had all this beautiful white clean paper 1300 00:57:58,344 --> 00:57:59,911 and all these markers. 1301 00:58:00,302 --> 00:58:02,348 And-- We used to have to rob our markers 1302 00:58:02,348 --> 00:58:03,697 and our spray paint. 1303 00:58:03,915 --> 00:58:07,309 So, for us to see all that there for free was fascinating. 1304 00:58:07,484 --> 00:58:09,094 And we just went to work 1305 00:58:09,094 --> 00:58:11,096 and started draw-- We spent about two or three hours 1306 00:58:11,096 --> 00:58:13,490 in there just writing and painting 1307 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,796 and by the time we were done 1308 00:58:16,405 --> 00:58:20,801 Hugo was like, "Oh, my god, that's beautiful!" 1309 00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:25,763 NARRATOR: Martinez organized 20 of the top graffiti writers 1310 00:58:25,763 --> 00:58:28,635 and founded United Graffiti Artists, 1311 00:58:28,635 --> 00:58:33,161 UGA in an attempt to take graffiti off the streets 1312 00:58:33,161 --> 00:58:34,598 and into galleries. 1313 00:58:35,468 --> 00:58:39,733 UGA included writers such as Coco144, 1314 00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:47,088 SJK171, Phasetwo, Snake1, Bama, and Mike171. 1315 00:58:49,351 --> 00:58:53,355 LA ZAR: UGA brought together some of the best at the time 1316 00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:57,708 and enabled them to start to transcend 1317 00:58:57,882 --> 00:59:02,974 the former criminal activity into a accepted format 1318 00:59:03,148 --> 00:59:07,674 and started the movement of so called "graffiti art." 1319 00:59:07,848 --> 00:59:10,329 COCO 144: It was actually a creative environment 1320 00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:14,115 where you could pretty much write, paint, draw 1321 00:59:14,115 --> 00:59:15,987 what you always wanted 1322 00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:17,945 to write, paint, and draw on a train. 1323 00:59:18,380 --> 00:59:19,904 MIKE 171: Hugo works it with big city 1324 00:59:20,078 --> 00:59:23,777 that if we stop hitting city municipal buildings 1325 00:59:23,951 --> 00:59:27,651 and trains, buses, they'd give us a workshop 1326 00:59:27,999 --> 00:59:30,784 and they would give us canvases and spray paint 1327 00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:33,657 so we made a contract not to go out there 1328 00:59:34,092 --> 00:59:37,661 and put our art on canvases. 1329 00:59:38,618 --> 00:59:41,490 REPORTER: This group is called Graffiti Artists United. 1330 00:59:41,752 --> 00:59:44,581 They meet in the apartment of a sociology student 1331 00:59:44,755 --> 00:59:46,539 who has encouraged them to go straight. 1332 00:59:46,757 --> 00:59:48,454 Everyone who's a member 1333 00:59:48,454 --> 00:59:50,543 has given up subways and public walls 1334 00:59:50,717 --> 00:59:53,502 and has turned instead to canvas or paper 1335 00:59:53,851 --> 00:59:56,549 or the sociology student's bathroom walls. 1336 00:59:57,463 --> 00:59:59,726 Although these particular graffiti artists 1337 00:59:59,726 --> 01:00:00,945 paint legit now, 1338 01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:04,862 they still remember the good old days, last week or so. 1339 01:00:06,124 --> 01:00:07,473 REPORTER: Did you ever get arrested? 1340 01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:08,387 Once. 1341 01:00:09,649 --> 01:00:11,346 REPORTER: Did you do it again after that? 1342 01:00:11,346 --> 01:00:12,739 COCO 144: Couple of times. 1343 01:00:13,087 --> 01:00:14,306 REPORTER: How come? 1344 01:00:15,002 --> 01:00:17,701 Because I just wanted, you know, I wanted to get known 1345 01:00:18,397 --> 01:00:21,443 and, like, then I made a lot of new friends. 1346 01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:22,749 You know, after you go out, 1347 01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:24,142 you know, after you're in the yards 1348 01:00:24,533 --> 01:00:27,885 and you write your name on every train like the day later 1349 01:00:27,885 --> 01:00:29,756 when they come out you just sit, you know, 1350 01:00:29,756 --> 01:00:30,888 in the station the whole day 1351 01:00:30,888 --> 01:00:32,585 and just watch the trains going by 1352 01:00:32,585 --> 01:00:34,456 in different colors in your names. 1353 01:00:35,457 --> 01:00:37,459 WICKED GARY: Well I give him a lot of props for his concept, 1354 01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:39,374 to put 20 of the top artists together 1355 01:00:39,548 --> 01:00:42,334 and have it be formed by the peers. 1356 01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:44,510 It took a lot of things to conceptualize. 1357 01:00:44,684 --> 01:00:47,556 We had meetings, you know, we decided where we wanted to go, 1358 01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:50,342 what we wanted to do, what kind of materials to buy. 1359 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:52,649 Pretty much everybody took on a responsibility. 1360 01:00:52,823 --> 01:00:55,303 He started selling a lot of our paintings 1361 01:00:55,477 --> 01:00:58,524 and he said that he was selling our paintings 1362 01:00:58,742 --> 01:01:01,919 so that we could have more materials to do this. 1363 01:01:02,267 --> 01:01:03,485 So we said, "Okay." 1364 01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:05,096 We agreed to it. We were young, 1365 01:01:05,096 --> 01:01:06,401 we didn't know what was going on. 1366 01:01:06,488 --> 01:01:08,752 All we knew was that we was getting free markers 1367 01:01:08,752 --> 01:01:11,015 and spray paint to do graffiti. 1368 01:01:11,319 --> 01:01:13,974 We were getting paid. We thought we were getting paid. 1369 01:01:14,148 --> 01:01:18,370 He had people that wanted their apartments graffit'd 1370 01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:20,328 but I don't mean people from the Heights, 1371 01:01:20,328 --> 01:01:23,070 I mean people from Downtown, Park Avenue, 5th Avenue. 1372 01:01:23,244 --> 01:01:26,552 People inviting us just to write on their walls and stuff 1373 01:01:26,552 --> 01:01:28,336 while everyone's partying 1374 01:01:28,336 --> 01:01:30,599 and we're exposed to like this high society. 1375 01:01:30,774 --> 01:01:32,558 UGA was the first group 1376 01:01:32,558 --> 01:01:34,734 to actually sell graffiti on canvas. 1377 01:01:35,256 --> 01:01:37,563 UGA is what ground broke 1378 01:01:37,563 --> 01:01:39,521 the writing culture into the art world. 1379 01:01:40,087 --> 01:01:42,046 BAMA: Bill Hart from the Reza Gallery 1380 01:01:42,046 --> 01:01:43,874 walked up and handed me my check. 1381 01:01:44,526 --> 01:01:48,617 And I went, "What? How much do you get?" He goes, "I got mine" 1382 01:01:49,183 --> 01:01:53,710 I said, "Oh? This is mine? Thank you." 1383 01:01:53,927 --> 01:01:56,451 When we did the Joffrey Ballet, 1384 01:01:56,756 --> 01:01:59,498 you know, here I'm a kid I'm 15, 16-years-old, 1385 01:01:59,672 --> 01:02:01,152 I'm getting a standing ovation 1386 01:02:01,152 --> 01:02:02,936 in the City Center, New York City, 1387 01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:05,025 I'd never imagined this was gonna happen. 1388 01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:08,768 And how good it made me feel about myself and how good 1389 01:02:08,768 --> 01:02:11,423 it made everybody else that participated in it feel. 1390 01:02:11,423 --> 01:02:13,207 I can't even explain it in words, man, 1391 01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:17,124 it was just living, it was grand. 1392 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:21,346 NARRATOR: UGA introduced graffiti to the world at large 1393 01:02:21,781 --> 01:02:23,696 and it was a positive experience 1394 01:02:23,696 --> 01:02:25,785 for many of the writers involved. 1395 01:02:26,307 --> 01:02:29,136 Some, however, have different opinions. 1396 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:31,269 ROCKY 184: Hugo capitalized. 1397 01:02:31,922 --> 01:02:33,880 Nobody cared about the money, but you know, 1398 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,316 you talk about people that we need money, 1399 01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:37,188 we're getting older, want to do things, 1400 01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:41,409 so, yeah he caught your ear, caught your eye, the green, 1401 01:02:41,975 --> 01:02:44,282 and I feel he sold a lot of pipe dreams. 1402 01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:48,199 Hugo wasn't promoting them, you know, the writers, 1403 01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:49,809 Hugo was promoting Hugo. 1404 01:02:49,809 --> 01:02:52,725 MIKE 171: But after you're doing galleries, you're doing shows, 1405 01:02:52,725 --> 01:02:55,206 money's coming in and we're not seeing a penny 1406 01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:59,166 red lights go up, the flares go up, you know? 1407 01:02:59,166 --> 01:03:00,777 That he's not the one out there spray painting, 1408 01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:03,127 he's not the one spending the whole night up in the yard 1409 01:03:03,127 --> 01:03:04,606 getting paint on you. 1410 01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:06,652 Then we come back all soaked 1411 01:03:06,652 --> 01:03:09,133 and peeling shit off for hours off our hands 1412 01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:11,309 and faces and changing our clothes, you know what I mean? 1413 01:03:11,309 --> 01:03:13,267 We're the foot soldiers that did all this stuff. 1414 01:03:13,572 --> 01:03:15,922 And he comes over and becomes a glory hound. 1415 01:03:16,096 --> 01:03:17,315 And he wants it all for himself 1416 01:03:17,402 --> 01:03:20,057 and you know, New York, don't go that way. 1417 01:03:20,448 --> 01:03:22,929 So one day we confronted Hugo, 1418 01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:26,498 Russ and the guys, me, Henry161, a few other guys. 1419 01:03:26,498 --> 01:03:30,371 We bum rushed inside and we just tore the place up. 1420 01:03:30,371 --> 01:03:32,373 I told Hugo, "You got our money, what are you doing?" 1421 01:03:32,373 --> 01:03:34,158 Blah, blah, blah, you know, "You come in our neighborhood, 1422 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,377 and you do this to us, you can't do that, 1423 01:03:36,377 --> 01:03:37,291 we're not allowing this." 1424 01:03:37,944 --> 01:03:40,425 While everybody was trashing the place I was trashing Hugo 1425 01:03:41,121 --> 01:03:43,167 because I didn't care about none of the materials. 1426 01:03:43,341 --> 01:03:45,952 All I wanted was to crack his head. 1427 01:03:45,952 --> 01:03:48,215 And I really did. Good too. 1428 01:03:48,389 --> 01:03:53,655 Henry161, myself, Joe all these guys came with bats, chains, 1429 01:03:53,655 --> 01:03:57,050 stickball bats, stuff like that, and they went upside Hugo's head 1430 01:03:57,616 --> 01:03:59,313 and a couple of the other guys that stood in the way. 1431 01:04:04,144 --> 01:04:07,060 ROCKY 184: Yeah, I feel graffiti lost a lot of its purity 1432 01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:08,148 with Hugo, yeah. 1433 01:04:09,497 --> 01:04:12,239 People were, you know, saddened and, you know, 1434 01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:13,458 everybody just broke away. 1435 01:04:15,025 --> 01:04:18,202 NARRATOR: No matter what the writers' experiences were 1436 01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:21,248 UGA changed graffiti forever. 1437 01:04:21,683 --> 01:04:25,252 It marked the beginning of a multi-million dollar industry 1438 01:04:25,557 --> 01:04:29,691 but as some would say, the end of graffiti's innocence. 1439 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,130 Remember Kilroy the peripatetic G-I of World War II 1440 01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:34,566 who was always there? 1441 01:04:35,045 --> 01:04:36,133 Well, he's not here now. 1442 01:04:36,916 --> 01:04:39,440 And anyway, he'd never made his mark 1443 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,442 where the graffiti experts of today. 1444 01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:44,097 That's because he didn't have a spray paint can 1445 01:04:44,097 --> 01:04:45,316 and a felt tip pen, 1446 01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:48,449 for these are the real villains of the graffiti explosion. 1447 01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:51,800 Quick and easy to use and difficult to erase. 1448 01:04:53,019 --> 01:04:54,586 REPORTER: It occurred to us to interview 1449 01:04:54,586 --> 01:04:57,241 some of these people, those who leave their marks, 1450 01:04:57,632 --> 01:04:58,503 but that would be giving them 1451 01:04:58,807 --> 01:05:00,200 too much of the recognition they seek. 1452 01:05:00,853 --> 01:05:04,117 They have their medium and their medium is perhaps the message, 1453 01:05:04,683 --> 01:05:06,815 a callous disregard for society 1454 01:05:06,815 --> 01:05:09,079 and a vain attempt to be somebody. 1455 01:05:10,471 --> 01:05:13,561 WICKED GARY: Moments like New York magazine are key 1456 01:05:13,561 --> 01:05:17,696 because cats were only getting props from other writers 1457 01:05:17,696 --> 01:05:18,958 and the people in their neighborhoods 1458 01:05:18,958 --> 01:05:20,220 who knew what the deal was. 1459 01:05:20,568 --> 01:05:23,658 The minute it came out in the Magazine 1460 01:05:23,658 --> 01:05:26,139 it was like media coverage 1461 01:05:26,357 --> 01:05:29,882 and that took an awareness to a whole 'nother level 1462 01:05:30,056 --> 01:05:32,406 and gave the press that much more juice 1463 01:05:32,580 --> 01:05:35,670 and it became a whole 'nother ballgame after that. 1464 01:05:35,844 --> 01:05:37,846 The fame and the article and once the newspaper 1465 01:05:37,846 --> 01:05:41,067 and television picked it up really hurt the graffiti 1466 01:05:41,067 --> 01:05:44,157 because then everybody started doing it and it got out of hand. 1467 01:05:45,332 --> 01:05:48,596 Graffiti is a fancy word for an old custom, 1468 01:05:48,596 --> 01:05:50,424 writing things on walls. 1469 01:05:50,729 --> 01:05:53,079 The thing that really made me crazy 1470 01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:54,994 is when they made Turk 182, 1471 01:05:55,864 --> 01:06:00,347 the movie, it was like, you know, did the guy just said 1472 01:06:00,347 --> 01:06:04,308 "Let's call it Turk 182?" I mean, he had to base it on me, 1473 01:06:04,569 --> 01:06:07,093 the name, obviously the movie wasn't based on me." 1474 01:06:07,267 --> 01:06:10,053 Three weeks ago he hit the Battery Park, 1475 01:06:10,357 --> 01:06:14,361 a week later the super train, now it's everywhere. 1476 01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:17,495 GREG 69: I remember the movieTurk 182 1477 01:06:17,495 --> 01:06:19,758 and right away I thought of Taki, 1478 01:06:19,758 --> 01:06:22,891 you know. And I hadn't seen Taki in years 1479 01:06:22,891 --> 01:06:25,807 but right away I went right to Taki. 1480 01:06:25,807 --> 01:06:27,461 TAKI 183: WhenTurk 182 1481 01:06:27,461 --> 01:06:29,986 came out everybody said, "They're using your name." 1482 01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:31,509 I want to talk to you, Turk. 1483 01:06:31,509 --> 01:06:33,772 Because it was a subliminal thing. 1484 01:06:35,208 --> 01:06:39,604 People were reading Turk 182 but they were seeing Taki183. 1485 01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:42,868 I called up Taki when the movie Turk 182came out 1486 01:06:42,868 --> 01:06:44,087 and I asked him, "Did you consult 1487 01:06:44,087 --> 01:06:45,740 or did you get any money on it or something?" 1488 01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:47,177 He goes, "No" and I go "Oh, okay, whatever," 1489 01:06:47,177 --> 01:06:48,395 we just laughed about it. 1490 01:06:48,830 --> 01:06:50,093 NARRATOR: Although Taki could laugh 1491 01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:52,008 at a Hollywood movie stealing his name 1492 01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,880 and inadvertently bringing him even more fame, 1493 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,752 not everyone else was willing to take the commercialization 1494 01:06:57,752 --> 01:06:59,102 of graffiti so lightly. 1495 01:06:59,276 --> 01:07:03,019 The graffiti changed once that dollar figure came in, 1496 01:07:03,976 --> 01:07:06,718 Joffrey Ballet and the first painting were sold. 1497 01:07:07,632 --> 01:07:10,156 It took the purity of what we were doing 1498 01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:12,071 out of it 'cause there was no value, 1499 01:07:12,071 --> 01:07:14,160 there was-- It was priceless. 1500 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,509 It was like "Mona Lisa", 1501 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:17,511 you know, this was our worth, 1502 01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,905 this was from our hearts, this was our souls. 1503 01:07:19,905 --> 01:07:21,472 This is the life we were living, 1504 01:07:21,472 --> 01:07:23,604 the hardship that I just shared with you guys. 1505 01:07:24,083 --> 01:07:27,391 CHILD: I think if they stop placing names in the newspapers 1506 01:07:27,391 --> 01:07:29,045 maybe they would stop doing it. 1507 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,916 REPORTER: And then maybe even we shouldn't be here. 1508 01:07:30,916 --> 01:07:34,398 No, like, ya'll throw-- When they spray their name 1509 01:07:34,398 --> 01:07:36,356 they want it to be shown on the newspaper, 1510 01:07:36,356 --> 01:07:38,532 but ya'll show it and they get what they want. 1511 01:07:38,532 --> 01:07:39,707 But if ya'll stop, 1512 01:07:39,794 --> 01:07:41,883 if ya'll won't show it on the papers no more 1513 01:07:41,883 --> 01:07:44,016 they won't do it, 'cause they know it ain't gonna get around. 1514 01:07:44,016 --> 01:07:45,365 NARRATOR: Although we'll never know 1515 01:07:45,365 --> 01:07:47,846 if Philadelphia or New York started graffiti, 1516 01:07:47,846 --> 01:07:50,588 it should come as no surprise that they both experienced 1517 01:07:50,588 --> 01:07:53,591 the bittersweet end of wall writing's innocence, 1518 01:07:53,591 --> 01:07:56,202 the ideas that appealed to the first generation of writers 1519 01:07:56,202 --> 01:07:58,422 to start writing in the first place would ironically 1520 01:07:58,422 --> 01:08:01,077 be the same ideas to sway the wall writers 1521 01:08:01,077 --> 01:08:03,688 as their opinions toward graffiti began to shift. 1522 01:08:03,905 --> 01:08:06,386 TAKI 183: See, by 1972 I had stopped writing. 1523 01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:10,390 It just-- There was nothing else to do. 1524 01:08:11,478 --> 01:08:13,828 I was a writer of convenience. 1525 01:08:14,438 --> 01:08:16,135 If I was there and it was easy I would do it. 1526 01:08:16,570 --> 01:08:19,660 But it was never important to compete. 1527 01:08:20,357 --> 01:08:22,663 You know, I didn't want to start hanging off bridges 1528 01:08:22,663 --> 01:08:24,665 and going into train yards 1529 01:08:25,449 --> 01:08:28,016 just like I never considered myself an artist, 1530 01:08:28,191 --> 01:08:29,583 at some point, 1531 01:08:29,670 --> 01:08:32,412 the guys that were doing it, they have such fancy stuff 1532 01:08:32,412 --> 01:08:35,850 and they're switching nozzles on cans to get different effects. 1533 01:08:37,243 --> 01:08:38,984 And that was-- That was like, over my head. 1534 01:08:40,420 --> 01:08:42,205 LAZ ZAR: The fact that graffiti has become 1535 01:08:42,205 --> 01:08:43,684 a multi-million dollar industry, 1536 01:08:43,858 --> 01:08:45,860 to me, is absolutely insane. 1537 01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:49,690 The commercialization of anything and everything 1538 01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:52,258 is a particularly American phenomenon 1539 01:08:52,258 --> 01:08:53,868 so I'm not surprised about it. 1540 01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:58,612 There is nothing that America as a country hasn't commercialized 1541 01:08:58,786 --> 01:09:02,094 and seeing as that I never made a dime 1542 01:09:02,094 --> 01:09:04,096 selling any canvas to anyone 1543 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:08,927 I have always been a tagger, wall writer, and agree 1544 01:09:08,927 --> 01:09:11,321 that if you want to do this kind of stuff, 1545 01:09:11,321 --> 01:09:12,191 I wouldn't say break the law, 1546 01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:14,193 but if you want to throw something up on a wall 1547 01:09:14,193 --> 01:09:15,499 and appreciate it 1548 01:09:15,716 --> 01:09:19,590 for what it does to that wall, that's the essence of it. 1549 01:09:19,894 --> 01:09:24,725 You're not tailoring what you do to satisfy a specific audience 1550 01:09:24,725 --> 01:09:26,553 that's external to yourself. 1551 01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:30,035 What we did as kids had nothing to do 1552 01:09:30,035 --> 01:09:31,993 with anyone outside of our world. 1553 01:09:32,168 --> 01:09:33,952 We were just being us, 1554 01:09:34,082 --> 01:09:36,476 which ended up starting this movement, 1555 01:09:36,476 --> 01:09:37,782 which is now a culture. 1556 01:09:37,956 --> 01:09:41,525 Graffiti, to us, wasn't just writing your name, 1557 01:09:41,525 --> 01:09:43,918 graffiti was an expression of how you dressed, 1558 01:09:44,528 --> 01:09:45,572 how you danced 1559 01:09:45,833 --> 01:09:50,142 and how you reacted with the youth around you. 1560 01:09:50,447 --> 01:09:56,148 If you think about this art form from 1969 to 1972, 1561 01:09:56,714 --> 01:10:01,632 all the major innovations happened in those few years 1562 01:10:02,067 --> 01:10:04,417 'cause it went from simple marker hits 1563 01:10:04,852 --> 01:10:08,247 to massive spray paint extravaganzas. 1564 01:10:08,726 --> 01:10:11,076 JEC#*: It all adds up to one big story. 1565 01:10:11,076 --> 01:10:13,121 We were just-- 1566 01:10:13,121 --> 01:10:15,428 Didn't have anything to do at the time, you know? 1567 01:10:15,907 --> 01:10:17,256 Sports, if you weren't good at it, 1568 01:10:17,256 --> 01:10:18,692 if you weren't involved in a gang, 1569 01:10:19,432 --> 01:10:21,347 you didn't have anything else to do. 1570 01:10:21,347 --> 01:10:22,696 "Let's go write on a subway." 1571 01:10:23,610 --> 01:10:26,222 And I look at it today all these years later 1572 01:10:26,396 --> 01:10:29,268 and I'm fascinated by new names 1573 01:10:29,442 --> 01:10:32,880 and I wonder if the reasons for why kids 1574 01:10:33,054 --> 01:10:35,535 did their writing is still the same. 1575 01:10:36,275 --> 01:10:39,365 If I were a betting person I would bet that it is. 1576 01:10:40,584 --> 01:10:43,151 So to all you people that 1577 01:10:43,151 --> 01:10:46,981 had to paint your walls over and over and over 1578 01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:51,116 dot, dot, dot, dot, etc... 1579 01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:53,771 I-- I apologize to you from the bottom of my heart. 1580 01:10:53,945 --> 01:10:55,512 TAKI 183: Graffiti is attractive to kids 1581 01:10:55,512 --> 01:10:58,776 'cause it's a cheap way to get notoriety. 1582 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:00,604 If you're not a great athlete, 1583 01:11:00,995 --> 01:11:04,390 you're not a great scholar, you can always be a great writer. 1584 01:11:04,608 --> 01:11:06,305 You know, you walk into a places and say, 1585 01:11:06,305 --> 01:11:08,394 "Well, that's the guy that scores the most baskets 1586 01:11:08,394 --> 01:11:10,222 and that's the guy that writes a lot." 1587 01:11:11,049 --> 01:11:12,093 COWYBOY: Back then these were 1588 01:11:12,398 --> 01:11:14,357 the celebrities because they were all over. 1589 01:11:14,531 --> 01:11:17,316 Everybody knew them. Even if you didn't know them personally, 1590 01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:18,491 you knew the name. 1591 01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:20,885 JOE 182: Yeah, generally it was an addiction of the fame. 1592 01:11:20,885 --> 01:11:22,060 Before I got the job. 1593 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:26,673 For me, I just live for today, you know, yesterday's history, 1594 01:11:26,673 --> 01:11:28,545 tomorrow's a mystery so I live it to the fullest. 1595 01:11:29,154 --> 01:11:30,677 'Cause the worst already happened to me, 1596 01:11:30,677 --> 01:11:32,679 the worse you could do is cage me up, put me in jail, 1597 01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:34,464 whatever, you're not gonna take away who I am. 1598 01:11:34,899 --> 01:11:37,684 You know, and so graffiti was a way of me expressing myself, 1599 01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:41,558 putting it out as you see. Mike171 to you with love. 1600 01:11:42,036 --> 01:11:44,735 SD Om: And I think the reason why it was never legalized 1601 01:11:44,735 --> 01:11:47,259 or never sanctioned was because 1602 01:11:48,565 --> 01:11:52,438 they're afraid of freedom, you know, not you, but, you know, 1603 01:11:52,656 --> 01:11:56,094 they're afraid of freedom of speech and thought. 1604 01:11:56,268 --> 01:11:58,531 They don't really want that to exist. 1605 01:11:59,489 --> 01:12:00,968 And there were no leaders 1606 01:12:00,968 --> 01:12:03,667 and there was no schools, no institutions. 1607 01:12:04,102 --> 01:12:08,193 The people themselves developed it and they got together 1608 01:12:08,193 --> 01:12:10,978 and found out that the differences between each other 1609 01:12:11,196 --> 01:12:12,937 weren't so different after all. 1610 01:12:12,937 --> 01:12:14,591 ROCKY 184: We were family to each other 1611 01:12:14,591 --> 01:12:16,506 and we made each other feel important. 1612 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,770 We showed each other love. And graffiti did that. 1613 01:12:20,727 --> 01:12:21,772 LITTLE PHIL: Phil went his way 1614 01:12:21,772 --> 01:12:24,035 and I haven't seen him in 35 years 1615 01:12:24,035 --> 01:12:25,558 even though I do see Greg. 1616 01:12:25,819 --> 01:12:28,344 Taki we were friends, we grew up 1617 01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,258 but we didn't communicate afterwards 1618 01:12:30,258 --> 01:12:33,653 so it's really neat, I mean, 35 years later 1619 01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:35,438 I would have never imagined that 1620 01:12:35,438 --> 01:12:37,353 graffiti would bring us all together. 1621 01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:39,006 -I'm glad you came out, man. -GREG 69: Yeah. 1622 01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:41,313 -TAKI 183: Yeah. -GREG 69: And was full circle. 1623 01:12:41,487 --> 01:12:44,011 GREG 69: It was fun, it was a nice time in my life, 1624 01:12:44,272 --> 01:12:46,100 I cherish it, they were good friends. 1625 01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:51,410 You're getting me to cry, man. I'm a sensitive guy. 1626 01:12:52,411 --> 01:12:56,415 I'm glad that at least it spawned artists. 1627 01:12:56,676 --> 01:12:59,244 That, to me, I sorta like that. 1628 01:12:59,418 --> 01:13:00,854 JAG: And once everybody's doing something, 1629 01:13:00,854 --> 01:13:02,639 you're nobody, you know, you know, 1630 01:13:02,943 --> 01:13:05,206 even if you say "I was the first one" people are like, "So what? 1631 01:13:05,206 --> 01:13:06,599 Somebody's doing it bigger and better 1632 01:13:06,599 --> 01:13:07,861 and you're no longer the celebrity." 1633 01:13:08,035 --> 01:13:09,472 I had a great time with it. 1634 01:13:09,646 --> 01:13:11,952 And I'm proud to say I was an originator. 1635 01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:13,867 I was a, you know, the first ones to do it, yeah? 1636 01:13:14,041 --> 01:13:16,957 Yeah, I made my mark. And I did something new. 1637 01:13:17,088 --> 01:13:21,527 I-- We were crying out to notice me, you know, 1638 01:13:21,919 --> 01:13:23,921 Here I am, The Kidd! 1639 01:13:23,921 --> 01:13:26,184 Stop the world, let me off, you know, 1640 01:13:26,184 --> 01:13:28,578 or "Cool Earl is love," 1641 01:13:28,578 --> 01:13:30,797 you know, "Cornbread, King of the Walls." 1642 01:13:30,797 --> 01:13:33,670 I had put my time in, I established my reputation, 1643 01:13:33,670 --> 01:13:35,585 I did things that no other body's going to do, 1644 01:13:35,933 --> 01:13:39,066 so my time had expired, my time is over, it's over for me. 1645 01:13:41,242 --> 01:13:43,636 I've been called a legend in my own time 1646 01:13:43,636 --> 01:13:45,595 so you can't get much better than that. 1647 01:13:46,509 --> 01:13:48,336 How many guys get called legends? 1648 01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:52,123 That's pretty cool I guess you can't get better than that. 1649 01:13:58,651 --> 01:14:00,131 REPORTER: What do you think about graffiti? 1650 01:14:00,348 --> 01:14:02,525 -WOMAN: What's that? -REPORTER: Writing on the walls. 1651 01:14:02,916 --> 01:14:05,397 WOMAN: I think it's pretty over there, you don't like that? 1652 01:14:05,658 --> 01:14:07,399 Or to make their parents pay for it. 1653 01:14:07,704 --> 01:14:11,011 Every one of them, lock them up, lock them up. 1654 01:14:11,229 --> 01:14:13,100 REPORTER: What do you think about the writing on the wall? 1655 01:14:14,275 --> 01:14:16,321 -I don't know. No. -REPORTER: You don't know? 1656 01:14:16,495 --> 01:14:17,931 REPORTER: You like it, not like it? 1657 01:14:17,931 --> 01:14:18,845 I don't like it. 1658 01:14:19,367 --> 01:14:20,804 REPORTER: You don't like it? Why don't you like it? 1659 01:14:22,501 --> 01:14:24,285 WOMAN: Well, because it doesn't look very nice. 1660 01:14:25,722 --> 01:14:27,550 WOMAN: I don't know what they're trying to say. 1661 01:14:27,724 --> 01:14:30,030 MAN: As long as there's no profanity around it's all right. 1662 01:14:31,118 --> 01:14:33,120 REPORTER: Usually there is no profanity in it, 1663 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,687 they're usually names and... 1664 01:14:34,687 --> 01:14:39,344 Well, it's bad, yeah you're right, I agree with you 1665 01:14:39,344 --> 01:14:43,870 I do think it would be a good thing if they could catch 1666 01:14:43,870 --> 01:14:47,613 the culprit or the culprits who are responsible 1667 01:14:47,613 --> 01:14:49,659 for desecrating the walls. 1668 01:14:49,833 --> 01:14:51,748 WOMAN: I think it's entertaining. 1669 01:14:52,662 --> 01:14:54,402 I think they're very pertinent, 1670 01:14:54,402 --> 01:14:56,709 they're very catching and they're very truthful 1671 01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:59,364 and they're presented in a really good way. 1672 01:14:59,625 --> 01:15:04,238 WOMAN: It's conveying a socially constructive message, isn't it? 1673 01:15:05,065 --> 01:15:08,416 The others get a message but in order to understand it 1674 01:15:08,416 --> 01:15:12,029 you have to understand so much more about the people 1675 01:15:12,029 --> 01:15:14,118 who wrote the message. 1676 01:15:14,118 --> 01:15:16,337 WOMAN: If it's not channeled, 1677 01:15:16,337 --> 01:15:18,514 the kids are just going to continue to do it. 1678 01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:19,863 They have a lot of energy. 1679 01:15:20,037 --> 01:15:23,519 You know, take this energy potential and put it to use. 1680 01:15:23,693 --> 01:15:24,998 MAN: It's already legal 1681 01:15:24,998 --> 01:15:26,260 as long as you don't write on my wall, 1682 01:15:26,434 --> 01:15:28,045 you know, but it makes sense. 1683 01:15:28,436 --> 01:15:30,090 It does make a lotta sense. 1684 01:15:30,482 --> 01:15:33,137 I think that's the crux of the problem. 1685 01:15:33,137 --> 01:15:34,530 [LAUGHING] 1686 01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:42,102 ♪ [MUSIC] 1687 01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:15,386 My life post-graffiti is 1688 01:18:17,562 --> 01:18:19,564 I'm glad I don't carry a marker around 1689 01:18:19,564 --> 01:18:22,523 because I'm always tempted to write. 1690 01:18:22,523 --> 01:18:25,004 [LAUGHING] 130554

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