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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:47,993 Computer: 2 00:04:14,004 --> 00:04:17,337 Nicholas cull: Every film is a product of its time. 3 00:04:17,466 --> 00:04:20,048 And every successful film tells you something 4 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:22,088 about the time it was made. 5 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:24,131 It's successful because it resonates 6 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:29,099 with stories and images that people need to see 7 00:04:29,227 --> 00:04:31,718 at that particular point. 8 00:04:31,855 --> 00:04:33,207 Henry Jenkins: "Alien" is a radical break 9 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:34,892 with science fiction. 10 00:04:35,025 --> 00:04:37,266 This is not the notion of the alien 11 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:39,233 that we were building toward in something 12 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:41,193 like "close encounters." 13 00:04:41,323 --> 00:04:42,508 Clarke wolfe: "Star wars" comes out, 14 00:04:42,532 --> 00:04:45,524 we have a fun space adventure. 15 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:49,699 And then "alien" comes out, and people embrace it. 16 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:52,994 And then just a couple of years later, "e.T." 17 00:04:53,126 --> 00:04:55,993 And John carpenter's "the thing" come out, 18 00:04:56,129 --> 00:05:01,294 and audiences resoundingly are like, no, thank you. 19 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,917 We want our aliens to be nice and squishy 20 00:05:04,054 --> 00:05:05,635 and cool and eat candy. 21 00:05:05,764 --> 00:05:08,551 I think there's a special status that comes to some films 22 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:11,846 that lodge in the audience's collective imagination, 23 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:15,470 and I think "alien" is certainly one of those films. 24 00:05:15,607 --> 00:05:17,835 William linn: Tolkien talked about the cauldron of stories, 25 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:19,349 and certainly, "alien" is an example 26 00:05:19,486 --> 00:05:22,774 of a story drawing from a real global set of myths. 27 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:25,066 If you look at a somatics experiment, what you're going 28 00:05:25,116 --> 00:05:28,574 to see is sand that vibrates in a shape, 29 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:31,786 and the shape changes based on the different vibrations. 30 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:34,782 A myth is like something that vibrated from something 31 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:36,783 deeper that you can't see. 32 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,956 You see a major curse in the form 33 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:42,252 of the alien, who is very much a fury, 34 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:45,217 responding to an imbalance. 35 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,461 We're looking at a story where there 36 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:51,761 is a piece of material prop that is now completely 37 00:05:51,893 --> 00:05:54,225 alive in our imaginations. 38 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:55,719 It lives in our dreams. 39 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:57,596 It lives in our cultural conversation. 40 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,892 It's one of the biggest cultural dreams we've ever had. 41 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:12,073 Diane o'bannon: I met Dan at usc. 42 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:13,695 He was a real standout. 43 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:15,242 You couldn't miss him. 44 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:19,835 He was a wild man, unbounded by conventional reality. 45 00:06:19,963 --> 00:06:23,626 You couldn't call him an iconoclast, because he 46 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:26,465 didn't have icons to break. 47 00:06:26,595 --> 00:06:28,551 He could be very offensive, and was frequently 48 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,762 offensive on purpose. 49 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:34,304 He was hot, you know, emotionally hot, emotionally 50 00:06:34,436 --> 00:06:38,270 responsive, very angry. 51 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:42,562 He was born and raised in rural Missouri and had no television. 52 00:06:42,694 --> 00:06:45,731 They didn't even have a telephone till he was 10. 53 00:06:45,864 --> 00:06:48,947 They lived in the middle of nowhere on 24 acres. 54 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:50,656 And yet he knew all these things. 55 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:52,505 They didn't even have a library in the town. 56 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:56,071 His mother used to send off for boxes of books, 57 00:06:56,207 --> 00:06:57,947 and they would come, and he would read them, 58 00:06:58,084 --> 00:06:59,449 and then they'd send them back. 59 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,952 Dan was always sneaking science fiction. 60 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:05,751 His mother always wanted him to read good literature. 61 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:07,420 And his mother would always say, you 62 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:09,530 haven't got any of that science fiction in your backpack, 63 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:10,919 have you? 64 00:07:11,056 --> 00:07:13,923 You're not taking that science fiction to school. 65 00:07:14,059 --> 00:07:18,348 His father owned a curio shop, it was called odd acres. 66 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,471 There was a sort of screwy Louie room, you know, 67 00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:22,598 where things were sort of off kilter, 68 00:07:22,734 --> 00:07:25,692 and everything looks like it's leaning. 69 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:30,029 That was growing up in odd acres. 70 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:32,774 One time his father faked a ufo landing. 71 00:07:36,581 --> 00:07:39,072 And Dan helped him, and then he had the press out there, 72 00:07:39,209 --> 00:07:40,619 you know? 73 00:07:40,752 --> 00:07:42,605 By direction of the President of the United States, 74 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:43,709 stay in your homes. 75 00:07:43,838 --> 00:07:46,375 I repeat, stay in your homes. 76 00:07:46,508 --> 00:07:49,841 Reporter: Because in one moment of history-making violence, 77 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:53,679 nature, mad, rampant, roared its most awesome creation. 78 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:55,527 Diane o'bannon: There's a lot of bugs there. 79 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,468 And he was always very frightened, in a way, 80 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:02,767 by the sudden appearance of bugs, 81 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:08,269 like a stick insect and cicadas, massive invasions 82 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:11,647 in Southern Missouri, they would have hundreds of thousands 83 00:08:11,783 --> 00:08:14,115 of them come out of the ground and swarm over everything 84 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:15,825 and then vanish and die. 85 00:08:15,954 --> 00:08:19,446 So these things really gave him the creeps. 86 00:08:19,582 --> 00:08:23,291 And he wanted to creep everybody else out too. 87 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:25,627 But he was quite an artist. 88 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:28,121 And when he was thinking of his monsters, 89 00:08:28,258 --> 00:08:31,466 he would sketch them out. 90 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:34,631 Before "alien," Dan had written a screenplay called 91 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,425 "they bite." 92 00:08:36,558 --> 00:08:38,924 It was "alien" before "alien." 93 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:41,893 And it involved a cicada-like creature, 94 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:44,934 but instead of being 13 years underground, 95 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:48,524 it was several million years underground, 96 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:51,611 and gradually picks off the people in the encampment one 97 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:53,025 by one. 98 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:55,695 It's a version of an alien creature 99 00:08:55,827 --> 00:08:59,866 evolving, needing an evolution, and being 100 00:08:59,998 --> 00:09:01,613 destructive in that evolution. 101 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:07,039 O'bannon has this great line, says, 102 00:09:07,172 --> 00:09:08,628 "I didn't steal from anybody. 103 00:09:08,757 --> 00:09:10,042 I stole from everybody." 104 00:09:10,175 --> 00:09:13,087 And one of the places that he happily 105 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:17,508 admitted that he stole from was a 1951 ec comic 106 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,130 called "seeds of Jupiter." 107 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:21,679 There's just eight pages. 108 00:09:21,811 --> 00:09:23,642 It starts on an aircraft carrier, 109 00:09:23,772 --> 00:09:27,890 and this orb crashes onto the aircraft carrier, breaks apart, 110 00:09:28,026 --> 00:09:30,938 small orb, and it's got like, 50 seeds. 111 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:33,562 And there are three Navy guys on the ship, 112 00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:37,190 and they're wondering what it is. 113 00:09:37,327 --> 00:09:40,069 One of them's called peach pit, and he likes to put peach pits 114 00:09:40,205 --> 00:09:41,605 in his mouth, and the other two guys 115 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:44,413 sort of trick him into putting one of these seeds 116 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:46,123 into his mouth. 117 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:47,688 And then they slap the guy on the back, it's all good fun 118 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:48,712 and he swallows. 119 00:09:51,132 --> 00:09:52,132 He gets terribly sick. 120 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:52,956 He's dehydrated. 121 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:54,093 It's emergency surgery. 122 00:09:54,177 --> 00:09:55,542 He's going die. 123 00:09:55,678 --> 00:09:57,589 The Navy surgeon takes a scalpel, 124 00:09:57,722 --> 00:10:00,714 cuts open his chest, everybody shocked, 125 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:06,516 and out pops this hideous, scaly, disgusting mini octopus. 126 00:10:06,648 --> 00:10:09,435 And then it literally scamper across the deck 127 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,603 and plunges into the sea. 128 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:15,149 And they go, well, we're never going to see that again. 129 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,818 Guaranteeing that they'll be seeing that again. 130 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:23,432 Tim boxell: The origin of "death rattle" was 131 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:27,449 in a farmhouse in Minnesota. 132 00:10:27,585 --> 00:10:31,248 The story itself is some sort of astronaut 133 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:33,212 coming across an object. 134 00:10:33,341 --> 00:10:36,629 It's the kind of statuary that you might see in a temple 135 00:10:36,761 --> 00:10:39,969 in some ancient civilization. 136 00:10:40,098 --> 00:10:42,965 In the process of sending it back, he drops it, 137 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:44,966 he breaks it, and he releases something 138 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:50,223 that's about to change his life in a very horrible way. 139 00:10:50,358 --> 00:10:53,521 He is attacked by this thing that gets into his body. 140 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:56,690 He is effectively raped. 141 00:10:56,823 --> 00:11:01,408 His eyes are gouged out and something goes into his head. 142 00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:03,492 And from that point on, he becomes 143 00:11:03,621 --> 00:11:07,455 a receptacle for something that's taking him over. 144 00:11:07,584 --> 00:11:09,700 Something is transforming a person 145 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:12,122 into something very, very different, 146 00:11:12,255 --> 00:11:14,166 very unfortunate, shall we say. 147 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:24,799 As a healthy young kid growing up in the midwest in the 1950s 148 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:27,391 and '60s, there were things going on in the world 149 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,681 that didn't quite make sense. 150 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:31,896 Television was very safe and cleaned up, 151 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:34,266 so I clamored for things that I wasn't 152 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:38,111 getting from my civilization, from my culture. 153 00:11:38,239 --> 00:11:41,276 Dan o'bannon drew upon his experiences 154 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:45,448 as a person from the midwest, reading comic books at the drug 155 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:50,449 store, like I did, and brought that kind of sensibility 156 00:11:50,585 --> 00:11:54,703 and that outlook on the world to this major science 157 00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:57,922 fiction horror epic. 158 00:11:58,051 --> 00:12:02,795 The midwest may seem tranquil and civilized and so forth, 159 00:12:02,931 --> 00:12:04,887 but the fact is, you never know who's next door. 160 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:07,176 You never know who's going to roll into town, you know, 161 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:13,813 it's like we're all, you know, one cough, one kiss, 162 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:18,185 one scratch away from global disaster. 163 00:12:33,711 --> 00:12:36,123 Diane o'bannon: The influence of lovecraft on Dan 164 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,042 was considerable. 165 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:41,086 The eggs lying dormant on the planetoid 166 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:43,801 is comparable to the cicada's million 167 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,795 year life cycle, isn't it? 168 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:47,701 Creatures coming out of the ground after being 169 00:12:47,725 --> 00:12:51,092 dormant for millions of years is superbly 170 00:12:51,229 --> 00:12:53,140 lovecraftian, completely. 171 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:56,686 I think that's a pretty straight line between the two. 172 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:58,774 St joshi: Lovecraft, in his own day, 173 00:12:58,903 --> 00:13:01,645 was a pioneer of science fiction. 174 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:04,818 More specifically, his brand of horror fiction, which he 175 00:13:04,951 --> 00:13:06,737 called weird fiction. 176 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:10,282 He felt that the essence of horror is the unknown, 177 00:13:10,415 --> 00:13:13,031 and what is most unknown, it is what 178 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,203 is out there in the depths of space, 179 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:18,749 and what has happened in the far distant past. 180 00:13:18,881 --> 00:13:21,998 Many of the features of "alien" have a lot 181 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:23,716 to do with lovecraft's short novel, 182 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:25,631 "at the mountains of madness." 183 00:13:25,763 --> 00:13:27,754 This is a novel he wrote in 1931. 184 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:29,076 And it's something that he'd wanted 185 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:30,715 to write for a long time, because he 186 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:33,389 had been fascinated with the antarctic since he was a boy. 187 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,983 An expedition from Massachusetts goes down there, 188 00:13:40,111 --> 00:13:45,447 and come upon fossilized remains of alien entities, which 189 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:48,066 this expedition labels the old ones. 190 00:13:48,202 --> 00:13:51,069 Dallas: It's been dead a long time. 191 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:53,821 Fossilized. 192 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:55,227 St joshi: In the course of this novel, 193 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:58,163 they become unfrozen and come to life. 194 00:13:58,296 --> 00:14:02,835 They cannot be defined by normal human or terrestrial biology. 195 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:04,878 I have confirmed that he's got an outer layer 196 00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:08,674 of protein polysaccharides. 197 00:14:08,806 --> 00:14:10,762 Has funny habit of shedding his cells 198 00:14:10,892 --> 00:14:15,306 and replacing them with polarized silicon. 199 00:14:15,438 --> 00:14:18,896 St joshi: In fact, the explorers find this immense city 200 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,311 that the old ones built hundreds of millions 201 00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:22,934 of years ago in the antarctic, full 202 00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:26,563 of very bizarre architecture. 203 00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:28,860 There are these alien creatures that 204 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:31,029 are virtually indestructible. 205 00:14:31,162 --> 00:14:33,073 They simply cannot die. 206 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,413 Ripley: How do we kill it, ash? 207 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:36,935 There's gotta be a way of killing it. 208 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:37,539 How? 209 00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:39,533 How do we do it? 210 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:41,206 You can't. 211 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:43,204 Classical science is based on the idea 212 00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:45,252 that matter is dead and inert. 213 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:47,029 And this is true throughout western consciousness, 214 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:48,773 from prometheus and pandora to Adam and Eve. 215 00:14:48,846 --> 00:14:52,054 Space is empty and quiet. 216 00:14:52,183 --> 00:14:53,263 Is it? 217 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:55,099 That's a perspective that we have. 218 00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:57,219 And I think "alien" is very much the nightmare 219 00:14:57,355 --> 00:14:58,936 to that perspective. 220 00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:02,273 And you see this in the coptic jars where they move. 221 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:04,688 And you see this when you get out into the depths of space 222 00:15:04,821 --> 00:15:06,421 where it's supposed to be quiet and dead, 223 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:08,733 and instead, you find the boogeyman. 224 00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:10,761 St joshi: I cannot think of a film out there that comes 225 00:15:10,785 --> 00:15:13,071 anywhere close to "alien" capturing that overall 226 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:14,614 lovecraftian atmosphere. 227 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:17,284 That planetoid where the ship lands 228 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:19,578 is a prototypical instance of what lovecraft 229 00:15:19,710 --> 00:15:21,746 called the fear of the unknown. 230 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:26,714 It is a place completely uncharted by human expeditions. 231 00:15:26,843 --> 00:15:28,834 No big budget studio wanted to put a lot of money 232 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:31,131 into making a pure lovecraft film, 233 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:34,472 and so people like o'bannon and John carpenter and others 234 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,431 had to sort of use lovecraftian elements 235 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:39,644 covertly to infuse lovecraftian themes 236 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:41,683 into works that were not explicitly 237 00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:42,936 based on any of the stories. 238 00:15:45,736 --> 00:15:48,603 Nicholas cull: "Alien" didn't come out of a creative vacuum. 239 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:53,859 It drew on a whole heritage of American science fiction. 240 00:15:53,995 --> 00:15:55,576 You could make the argument that "alien" 241 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:58,822 certainly borrows from "it, the terror from beyond space" 242 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,324 from 1958. 243 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:05,830 A crew of 10 goes to Mars to recover the lone survivor 244 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:07,830 of a previous expedition. 245 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,003 The rest of his crew has been wiped out. 246 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:12,593 Edward carothers: Today, of all my crew, 247 00:16:12,722 --> 00:16:15,338 I, colonel Edward carothers of the United States space 248 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:18,717 command, am the only one alive. 249 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:20,372 Ben mankiewicz: They obviously think he did it. 250 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:21,932 He says, no, an alien did it. 251 00:16:22,064 --> 00:16:23,804 What are you thinking about? 252 00:16:23,941 --> 00:16:26,102 Those nine bodies you left down there? 253 00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:28,396 Yes. 254 00:16:28,529 --> 00:16:31,111 But I didn't kill them. 255 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,526 Spoiler, it was an alien. 256 00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:39,120 The alien stows away on the ship and starts picking 257 00:16:39,248 --> 00:16:42,490 the crew off one by one. 258 00:16:42,627 --> 00:16:45,084 It's hiding in the air ducts. 259 00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:47,295 Bullets, grenades, nothing stops it. 260 00:16:47,423 --> 00:16:49,129 What do we do now? 261 00:16:49,258 --> 00:16:51,098 Ben mankiewicz: And it's killed by an air lock. 262 00:16:53,971 --> 00:16:56,428 Nicholas cull: "The thing" from 1951 263 00:16:56,557 --> 00:16:58,843 is very present with the idea of this creature 264 00:16:58,976 --> 00:17:01,558 that kind of hatches, that mimics, 265 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:05,805 thatisin a working environment. 266 00:17:05,942 --> 00:17:09,105 You can go to the 60s and look at "planet of the vampires," 267 00:17:09,237 --> 00:17:12,604 where they find this giant alien corpse. 268 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:14,605 Doesn't look like any ship I've ever seen. 269 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:16,824 Do you think it belongs to the orients? 270 00:17:16,953 --> 00:17:18,318 I doubt it. 271 00:17:18,454 --> 00:17:19,473 I doubt if the orients ever built any spaceships. 272 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:20,577 If they... - 273 00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:21,986 - we would have... - Look, Mark. 274 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:28,210 One of the films that "alien" draws quite heavily from 275 00:17:28,339 --> 00:17:33,254 is a 1966 film produced by Roger corman called "queen of blood." 276 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:34,386 Listen. 277 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:41,723 We've been picking up these signals now for three days. 278 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:45,219 Nicholas cull: An alien distress signal is received by earth. 279 00:17:45,356 --> 00:17:48,598 Astronauts go out to find the source of the signal. 280 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:50,599 They land on a planetoid. 281 00:17:50,736 --> 00:17:53,068 There's this strange sandstorm. 282 00:17:53,197 --> 00:17:55,188 They go into an alien vessel. 283 00:17:55,324 --> 00:17:58,566 They find a dead alien sitting in a chair, 284 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:01,911 encounter an alien who they're bringing back to earth, 285 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,200 and the alien begins individually 286 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,825 attacking members of the crew. 287 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:12,046 And at the end of the film, the humans are left quite literally 288 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:15,132 holding a tray of her eggs. 289 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:19,220 Is this the beginning of the end for humanity? 290 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,093 Ian Nathan: John carpenter roped in Dan o'bannon 291 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,436 to helping him make the student science fiction 292 00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:28,975 film called "dark star." 293 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:31,474 And it was about the crew of a spaceship... 294 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:32,851 This might sound familiar... 295 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:34,727 Who then is assailed by an alien who 296 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,650 sort of stows away on the ship. 297 00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:38,238 Diane o'bannon: "Dark star," that's 298 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:41,404 the comic version of "alien." 299 00:18:41,537 --> 00:18:43,056 One makes you laugh, and the other one's 300 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,162 going to eat you alive. 301 00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:47,291 Ian Nathan: Carpenter wanted sole directing credit, 302 00:18:47,335 --> 00:18:50,452 and o'bannon felt he'd done enough to get cowriting credit. 303 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,624 So they had this kind of big falling out. 304 00:18:52,757 --> 00:18:54,873 And o'bannon's first thought is that, well, 305 00:18:55,009 --> 00:18:56,624 I can go and do this on my own. 306 00:18:56,761 --> 00:19:01,300 I will write a story, a science fiction story 307 00:19:01,432 --> 00:19:02,797 that will beat "dark star." 308 00:19:02,933 --> 00:19:04,661 Wouldn't you consider another course of action? 309 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:07,518 For example, just waiting around a while so we can disarm you? 310 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:08,762 Bomb ♪20: No. 311 00:19:08,898 --> 00:19:10,125 Because I'm not going to do a comedy, 312 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:11,543 I'm going to do it as a horror movie. 313 00:19:11,567 --> 00:19:13,979 Computer: The ship will automatically destruct 314 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:19,231 in t-minus five minutes. 315 00:19:19,367 --> 00:19:22,575 You bitch! 316 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,194 A lot of things bother me about "dark star." 317 00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:29,415 We had an alien in it, which was a beach ball. 318 00:19:29,543 --> 00:19:31,875 It was our second try on that alien. 319 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:35,838 I went away from "dark star" really wanting to do 320 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:37,831 an alien that looked real. 321 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:45,715 Diane o'bannon: Jodorowsky saw "dark star," which is how he 322 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,263 found out about Dan o'bannon. 323 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:52,309 Nobody in Hollywood was impressed with jodorowsky. 324 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:54,147 So he said, well, to hell with you. 325 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:59,441 So he found Dan and said, come work on "dune" with me. 326 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:08,826 I think you have to go back to jodorowsky. 327 00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:10,494 Jodorowsky was his guru. 328 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:11,957 He adored him. 329 00:20:12,086 --> 00:20:14,077 I've never met him and I adore him. 330 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:17,000 Not only is there a synchronicity that connects 331 00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:20,671 "dune" and "alien," there's almost an archetypal 332 00:20:20,803 --> 00:20:23,385 counterbalance between the two. 333 00:20:23,514 --> 00:20:26,927 If "dune" is the tower of babel, "alien" is exactly what 334 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,640 brings down that tower. 335 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:31,135 In the same way that "alien" is the response to prometheus 336 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:33,228 trying to steal fire from the heavens, 337 00:20:33,357 --> 00:20:36,269 the movie "alien" is also a response, energetically, 338 00:20:36,402 --> 00:20:41,192 archetypally, to the tower of babel project that was "dune." 339 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:44,030 Diane o'bannon: When "dune" collapsed in Paris, 340 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,869 Dan came back and actually crashed on the couch 341 00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:51,080 in the house I was living in with a bunch of people 342 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:52,602 because he didn't have anywhere to go. 343 00:20:52,626 --> 00:20:54,287 And it... he... 344 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,331 He was completely at a loss. 345 00:20:56,464 --> 00:21:00,377 Eventually, he... we said, you got to go. 346 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:04,218 So somehow, he wound up on Ron shusett's couch. 347 00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:08,180 I went back to storage, got my typewriter out, took it over 348 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:11,722 to Ronnie shusett's living room, and over the days and nights 349 00:21:11,854 --> 00:21:15,221 of the next three months, Ron keeping me 350 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:17,268 alive by feeding me hot dogs. 351 00:21:17,401 --> 00:21:18,561 We were both starving. 352 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:21,026 My wife was supporting us. 353 00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:23,567 We had two rooms, that's all we had. 354 00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:25,177 Diane o'bannon: He made up a board game 355 00:21:25,201 --> 00:21:28,693 called poverty, sort of the opposite of monopoly. 356 00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:31,787 You've got to land on enough spaces to pay the rent. 357 00:21:31,916 --> 00:21:34,874 You're out on the street if you can't afford to stay. 358 00:21:35,002 --> 00:21:37,869 It's absolutely a scream. 359 00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:43,045 In 1971, Dan was working on a story he called "memory." 360 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:47,136 It's basically the first 30 pages of "alien." 361 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:48,533 Dan o'bannon: I had this opening. 362 00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:50,172 I didn't know where it was gonna go. 363 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:53,176 I wanted to do a scary movie on a spaceship with a small number 364 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,677 of astronauts. 365 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:57,055 They're receiving a signal in an alien language. 366 00:21:57,191 --> 00:21:58,522 They go down to investigate. 367 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:01,188 Their ship breaks down. 368 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,631 Diane o'bannon: Dan called it "memory," 369 00:22:02,655 --> 00:22:04,987 because some influence in the planet 370 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:08,607 gradually made them lose their memory. 371 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,024 But that's where this story ends. 372 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:15,205 Ron shusett: He says, ok, I'm going 373 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:17,996 to give you the first act I've got to this original horror 374 00:22:18,128 --> 00:22:19,459 movie I wrote. 375 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,749 I can't get past page 29. 376 00:22:21,882 --> 00:22:23,247 Maybe you can help me do that. 377 00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:24,999 So I read it. 378 00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:28,002 29 pages was almost exactly like you saw in the final finished 379 00:22:28,138 --> 00:22:29,628 product of the "alien" movie. 380 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:31,847 It was fantastic. 381 00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:34,968 Dan said, there's a key to everything. 382 00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:38,392 The key is how does the alien get on board? 383 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:43,018 His concept was always it would come out of your stomach. 384 00:22:43,153 --> 00:22:45,394 Dan had a very bad case of crohn's 385 00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:48,443 disease, which basically appeared while he 386 00:22:48,576 --> 00:22:50,532 was filming "dark star." 387 00:22:50,661 --> 00:22:53,323 So he was, what, 24, 257? 388 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:56,071 And it eventually killed him. 389 00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:59,496 But it was an intestinal disorder 390 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:02,495 that sometimes felt like it was devouring him, I think. 391 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,150 Linda and I would sometimes have to take him 392 00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:07,007 to the emergency center in the middle of the night 393 00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:08,672 when the pain was so great. 394 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,045 And at the same time, he'd been having conversations 395 00:23:11,181 --> 00:23:15,470 with Ron shusett about wasps that procreate by planting 396 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,140 that eggs into other insects. 397 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,542 It was kind of all these things sort of come together and were 398 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,147 being sown into the script. 399 00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:24,437 Ron in a way was really fascinated 400 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:30,816 with the idea of human beings being a host for... 401 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:34,443 For an embryo, that human beings were 402 00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:35,945 the nutrition for an embryo. 403 00:23:38,709 --> 00:23:40,562 Ron shusett: He didn't have it in the script at all 404 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:42,355 that it would implant something in his stomach 405 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:43,414 and it would grow there. 406 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,162 So I went to sleep. 407 00:23:45,299 --> 00:23:47,665 And I'm aware... it wasn't dreaming. 408 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:49,086 It was something else. 409 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:52,302 It was when your mind is in the subconscious. 410 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:55,093 I was wrestling with a property in my sleep. 411 00:23:55,225 --> 00:23:57,037 I woke him up, I went right into his studio and I said, 412 00:23:57,061 --> 00:23:57,641 I have it. 413 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:58,350 I have it. 414 00:23:58,479 --> 00:23:59,184 He said, what? 415 00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:00,143 You have the answer? 416 00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:00,852 I said, I have the answer. 417 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:01,561 The alien fucks. 418 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:02,896 He said, what? 419 00:24:03,025 --> 00:24:04,561 What are you talking about? 420 00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:08,356 I said, jumps on his face, it's a little creature then, 421 00:24:08,489 --> 00:24:12,402 little baby squid-like, sticks a tube down his throat, 422 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:15,697 starts feeding him air, but he's implanting his seed. 423 00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:17,319 And it's going to grow inside him 424 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:19,576 and burst out of his chest in the middle of the movie. 425 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:33,744 Carl zimmer: There are over a million 426 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:36,468 species of parasitic wasps. 427 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,639 That means that of all the animals in the animal kingdom, 428 00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:45,561 the number one form of animal is a parasitic wasp. 429 00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:52,280 There are wasps that like to make caterpillars their host. 430 00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:55,616 They can also release chemicals that control 431 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:57,575 the behavior of their host. 432 00:24:57,705 --> 00:25:00,321 And everything it eats is going to feed 433 00:25:00,457 --> 00:25:05,121 these larvae that are growing inside of its body cavity. 434 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:07,586 On the outside, they look completely normal. 435 00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:12,459 So John hurt having breakfast, that's a caterpillar with 436 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:14,300 wasps inside of it. 437 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:17,547 And then once those wasps are ready, 438 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,049 they just blast their way out of their host. 439 00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,676 And if that's lethal to the host, fine. 440 00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:24,974 It doesn't matter. 441 00:25:25,107 --> 00:25:29,851 Ridley Scott liked to show film footage of one species of wasp 442 00:25:29,987 --> 00:25:33,525 in particular to his crew, and this is something 443 00:25:33,657 --> 00:25:35,147 known as the wood wasp. 444 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:38,071 These wasps have to basically find a way 445 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:41,991 to stick their wasp bags inside of beetle larvae that 446 00:25:42,124 --> 00:25:45,412 can be deep inside of wood. 447 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,126 So there are all these alien things 448 00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:50,086 that parasites are doing all around us, 449 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,127 and scientists are trying to make sense of that in the way 450 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,297 that the crew nostromo was trying to make sense of it 451 00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:58,216 with the alien. 452 00:25:58,348 --> 00:25:59,463 Ripley: That's amazing. 453 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,262 What is it? 454 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,634 Why, yes, it is. 455 00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:08,231 Um, I don't know yet. 456 00:26:08,358 --> 00:26:11,145 Carl zimmer: Getting inside something else 457 00:26:11,278 --> 00:26:16,818 and feeding on it from within is a really great way 458 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:20,408 to survive and evolve. 459 00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:25,907 The alien is just fitting into this fundamental basic pattern 460 00:26:26,043 --> 00:26:29,786 that you find on life, probably the most successful way 461 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:30,922 to be alive on earth. 462 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:57,153 Giger really came from Dan o'bannon. 463 00:26:57,282 --> 00:27:00,069 Dan suggested him on a stroke of genius. 464 00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:02,318 Giger consolidates every monster 465 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,867 from every mythology around the world into a single creature. 466 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:07,535 He embodies the mythic other. 467 00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:09,158 Diane o'bannon: Jodorowsky rescue 468 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:11,910 went to an opening of some of giger's artwork in Paris 469 00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:14,413 and brought the book back. 470 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:19,419 Dan looked at it and was just knocked dead by the artwork. 471 00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,672 They were fantastic, sexual, mechanical, 472 00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:27,552 biological amalgamation that was completely new. 473 00:27:27,688 --> 00:27:30,054 Ron shusett: It does express giger's own admiration 474 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:35,355 for lovecraft as a pioneer in envisioning creatures 475 00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:38,103 far beyond human conception. 476 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,698 Diane o'bannon: I think Dan and giger met at the lovecraft 477 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:47,072 level, that sort of creeping horror and unnamed horror 478 00:27:47,207 --> 00:27:51,541 that you are free yourself to define. 479 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,662 Dan and giger both had similar interests 480 00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:56,538 in the "necronomicon." 481 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:59,382 While giger was doing paintings on that theme, 482 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:02,423 Dan was also writing his version of the "necronomicon," 483 00:28:02,556 --> 00:28:03,420 which I still have. 484 00:28:03,557 --> 00:28:04,296 Its unpublished. 485 00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:07,596 It's a... a printed work. 486 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:09,639 Bijan aalam: Giger was a mystic. 487 00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:13,605 He had his own mythology, his own cosmology. 488 00:28:13,734 --> 00:28:16,976 He took like a bee from different flowers 489 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:23,608 to feed his own imagination and make his own honey with it. 490 00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:27,077 He's the mythology of the future. 491 00:28:27,206 --> 00:28:32,621 Of course, there is an Egyptian touch to "alien." 492 00:28:32,753 --> 00:28:36,211 Hans, his favorite culture was Egypt. 493 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:39,082 When he was five years old, he went with his sister 494 00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:40,799 to the museum. 495 00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:42,714 In the cellar, there was this mummy, 496 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:47,431 an Egyptian mummy, and hans, he was quite afraid of it. 497 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,800 He was so deeply impressed by the black bones 498 00:28:49,937 --> 00:28:51,393 and the black skin. 499 00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:54,684 From then on, he went almost every Sunday. 500 00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:59,355 He was absolutely fascinated by the pyramids. 501 00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:00,978 William linn: In early storyboards, 502 00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:04,606 you can actually see that the derelict was a pyramid. 503 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:08,076 And then later, Ridley Scott envisions this kind 504 00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:12,073 of ritual area of ruins. 505 00:29:12,209 --> 00:29:14,746 This ship is an emblem, is a remnant 506 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:17,961 of a formerly great culture, an ancient civilization 507 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:20,627 that's been long lost to time. 508 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,799 That tells us that we should think of the spaceship, 509 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:25,218 the derelict, as a temple. 510 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,588 I think the derelict is a Crescent moon, and ultimately, 511 00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:30,261 a symbol of death. 512 00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:32,074 You see crescents all throughout the story. 513 00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:38,106 In the original screenplay, the pods 514 00:29:38,235 --> 00:29:42,319 were in a kind of pyramid structure called the temple. 515 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:46,907 That was removed because of budget considerations 516 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,777 in the production. 517 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:52,404 Carmen giger: Three stages of the alien, you know, 518 00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:57,080 where the hole was put into a pyramid, and on top of it all, 519 00:29:57,212 --> 00:30:00,454 is nut, the Egyptian goddess of the night 520 00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:03,548 sky with stars in her belly. 521 00:30:03,677 --> 00:30:06,885 And I think that was really beautiful. 522 00:30:07,014 --> 00:30:10,802 William linn: You see being born from her the heavens. 523 00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:13,471 And in many ways, this becomes an image 524 00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:16,185 of the alien giving birth to this species 525 00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:18,681 that could devour the heavens. 526 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:23,902 Nut represents the duad itself, the realm of the dead, 527 00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:26,613 the realm of night, the realm of the stars. 528 00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:28,357 This is where the sun goes every night. 529 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:31,360 This is where the soul goes between life and death. 530 00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:34,033 We are in the aliens domain in this whole story. 531 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,084 The first I saw of the "alien" script was an early version. 532 00:30:43,216 --> 00:30:45,423 Dan o'bannon brought it to me. 533 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:50,216 And as I recall, the original title was "star beast." 534 00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:55,719 I liked the script, and I wanted to make it, but I said to Dan, 535 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,891 this really requires a bigger budget 536 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:01,265 than what I'm able to spend. 537 00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:03,983 Why don't you shop it around and see 538 00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:06,353 if you can get a big budget. 539 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:10,278 If you can't get the big budget, come back to me 540 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:13,902 and I will buy the script and make the picture. 541 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:15,654 Ian Nathan: And a guy called Mark 542 00:31:15,791 --> 00:31:19,204 hager got this script into the pile at Walter hill's office. 543 00:31:22,756 --> 00:31:24,917 He happened upon "star beast." 544 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,652 Now, he thought "star beast" was one of the worst 545 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,416 scripts he'd ever read. 546 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,168 He just thought it was awful. 547 00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:36,972 But he stopped, page whatever, 30, whatever it was, and went, 548 00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:38,560 what the hell? 549 00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:43,557 When brandywine showed interest and optioned "alien," 550 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:47,561 Dan was, of course, being a pest and insistent that they 551 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,689 use giger for the creature. 552 00:31:50,826 --> 00:31:58,449 This is the letter to geiger from Dan dated July 1, 1977. 553 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,791 "Dear giger, this week I've moved into offices 554 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,831 of brandywine productions where we 555 00:32:03,964 --> 00:32:06,671 are beginning to make the design decisions for our film. 556 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,166 The producers, Gordon carroll and David giler, 557 00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:11,213 and the director, Walter hill, are 558 00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:13,211 as excited as I am about the possibilities 559 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:16,715 of your lending your unique talents to our picture. 560 00:32:16,852 --> 00:32:19,138 Look over the enclosed description of the designs we 561 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:21,432 need, then let us know how much you would 562 00:32:21,565 --> 00:32:23,647 ask for the paintings involved. 563 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:27,484 When we agree, we send you a check for $1,000 as an advance 564 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:29,978 against future payments. 565 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:34,108 Yeah, well, brandywine didn't want to pay the $1,000, 566 00:32:34,244 --> 00:32:39,079 so Dan sent him a personal check for $1,000. 567 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,914 The face hugger, that was my first thing 568 00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,625 I did for Dan o'bannon. 569 00:32:44,754 --> 00:32:48,497 He gave me explanation and drawings, 570 00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:51,921 and he said that he's jumping on a big egg, 571 00:32:52,053 --> 00:32:54,715 this egg is about that, so. 572 00:32:54,848 --> 00:32:57,806 And I thought that must be quite a big monster, so I 573 00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:01,722 did an enormous facehugger. 574 00:33:01,855 --> 00:33:04,847 And then he was jumping, I thought 575 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:09,727 he could jump when his tail is like, it's curved like a spring 576 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:13,776 of the Jack in the box. 577 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:15,303 Diane o'bannon: And from those sketches, 578 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,443 he went ahead and did the paintings. 579 00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:21,447 And that's why the paintings say Dan o'bannon's alien, 580 00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:23,790 because Dan paid for them. 581 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,002 Fox hierarchy come in to see some of the designs, 582 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:28,540 and they fired him. 583 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:30,755 Gordon carroll finally said, this guy is just sick. 584 00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:31,884 Get him off our lot. 585 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,170 Send him back to Switzerland. 586 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:34,842 We're having none of it. 587 00:33:34,971 --> 00:33:36,882 So giger was gone. 588 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,882 Fox is full speed ahead with brandywine. 589 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:41,996 They're in preproduction Walter hill is going to direct 590 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,635 the film, and all of a sudden, the studio 591 00:33:43,772 --> 00:33:46,388 gets a call from Walter hill, basically, where he says, yeah, 592 00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:47,525 I'm not going to... 593 00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:49,440 I'm not going to make this movie. 594 00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:51,105 I never really believed in it. 595 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:53,090 I don't think it's that great, and I got another picture 596 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:54,194 I'm going to do here. 597 00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:56,110 So good luck. 598 00:33:56,243 --> 00:33:57,528 I'm out. 599 00:33:57,661 --> 00:34:00,528 And that other picture was "Southern comfort." 600 00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:02,074 Not a bad movie. 601 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:03,492 Not "alien." 602 00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:05,991 I read the script, and I thought, well, this is 603 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,415 very solid, very interesting. 604 00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:11,960 It's not really an actor's script. 605 00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:14,174 There was no one else attached, and they're 606 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:18,762 asking me to get involved in what was then 607 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:22,348 a budgeted film for $2 million. 608 00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:26,561 $2 million sounds like an ed wood movie. 609 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:29,523 So I turned it down. 610 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:33,769 Ridley and I had just finished off the do list. 611 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:35,395 There was this thing between Ridley 612 00:34:35,532 --> 00:34:38,319 and I about Sci-Fi, and that I was the Sci-Fi fanatic. 613 00:34:38,451 --> 00:34:40,658 And all the films that I used to show him, 614 00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:44,496 he would completely disparage and say, 615 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,580 no, that's a pile of shit. 616 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:48,996 He had the script through the door called the "alien," 617 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:51,495 and I tried to say, well, let me read it, et cetera, 618 00:34:51,631 --> 00:34:53,997 and for some reason or other, this time, 619 00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:57,092 he said, no, no, no, no, I'll read it first. 620 00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:58,676 And so he was in the next door office 621 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:02,423 where we made commercials, and I remember him 622 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,847 sitting there going, fuck me. 623 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:07,810 Tom skerritt: I got a call a few weeks later, 624 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:11,102 and they said, well, the budget's up to $10 million, 625 00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:15,022 and a director named Ridley Scott is going to direct it. 626 00:35:15,155 --> 00:35:17,191 I said, sold. 627 00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:19,906 I got a phone call from Ridley saying, 628 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:22,993 get your backside down to shepperton now. 629 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:26,158 So I drove straight down there. 630 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:30,409 Diane o'bannon: When brandywine brought Ridley on was when Dan 631 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:33,082 really got an ally in a lot of what 632 00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:36,672 he wanted for "alien" to be. 633 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:39,759 Very, very rare occurrence when the writer can 634 00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:41,799 have that amount of influence. 635 00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:43,159 Ron shusett: We thought he was gonna 636 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:44,535 be the wrong director for it, and he 637 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,641 turned out to be the greatest visual stylist 638 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,306 since kubrick's prime. 639 00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:49,974 Ian Nathan: And he's such a visual guy 640 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,251 that the first thing he did was kind of to break it down 641 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:54,891 into storyboards, draws his own storyboard, extraordinary 642 00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:57,189 artist, these fantastic images. 643 00:35:57,322 --> 00:36:00,530 But what it doesn't really have is a clear idea of the alien. 644 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,274 It's not quite there. 645 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:04,776 O'bannon says look, I've got this book. 646 00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:06,349 Diane o'bannon: When Dan showed Ridley 647 00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:09,410 the "necronomicon," Ridley instantly said, 648 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,407 yes, this is it. 649 00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:15,082 I was shown the book, necro... 650 00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:16,796 Woman: Nomicom. 651 00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:20,588 "Necronomicon," ok, in los Angeles, in fact, by o'bannon. 652 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,720 He brought it in. 653 00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,552 And I nearly fell off the desk. 654 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,593 Said, that's it. 655 00:36:25,725 --> 00:36:27,431 And why look further? 656 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,970 And so that's how I saw it. 657 00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:30,594 It was as simple as that. 658 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:33,813 I've never been so certain about anything in my life. 659 00:36:33,942 --> 00:36:36,479 There were many arguments at that stage. 660 00:36:36,611 --> 00:36:38,567 Fox were really quite troubled. 661 00:36:38,697 --> 00:36:43,236 But it was an early sign of how strong Scott was on that film 662 00:36:43,368 --> 00:36:45,825 that he won so many battles. 663 00:36:45,954 --> 00:36:48,161 And the most fundamental and important one 664 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:51,156 was he got giger back on. 665 00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:52,748 And I just thought it was stunning, 666 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,914 and I just stuck to my guns saying, no. 667 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,503 No, that's it. 668 00:36:57,632 --> 00:36:59,793 They said, let's bring him in and talk some concepts. 669 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:01,041 I said, no. 670 00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:01,916 You can't do that. 671 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:03,168 That's it. 672 00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:04,704 We want to be shooting by so and so. 673 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,300 That's it. 674 00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:08,799 Just to get this right is gonna be incredibly difficult. 675 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:11,472 This is beautiful, not just threatening. 676 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,016 And also has very sexual connotations. 677 00:37:14,149 --> 00:37:17,266 So in everything, it's like a rather beautiful 678 00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:21,395 humanoid biomechanoid insect. 679 00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:24,068 Giger talks about intentionally drawing imagery 680 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,065 from his own dreams, that means coming 681 00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,738 from a place where he didn't have 682 00:37:27,871 --> 00:37:30,237 agency over what came to him. 683 00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:35,743 When he painted, he was in this sort of trance. 684 00:37:35,879 --> 00:37:40,748 He was possessed, like a seer, a blind seer. 685 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:49,139 Would go like that, and like in a polaroid, 686 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:54,011 an image would appear and take shape. 687 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,105 Diane o'bannon: Giger's images existed in a universe 688 00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:59,474 of their own in Switzerland. 689 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:03,854 And they really found their place in space, the xenomorph 690 00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:06,902 and the space jockey. 691 00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:10,493 Giger's images really found a home in "alien." 692 00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:12,683 Part of what you're seeing with the character of "alien" 693 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:16,541 is this gorgeous synchrony, this incredible synthesis 694 00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:18,876 of multiple mythological characters, 695 00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:22,088 sekhmet, pazuzu, Kali. 696 00:38:22,217 --> 00:38:24,708 Ian Nathan: You can see the medieval dragon, 697 00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:30,259 the renaissance demons, the work of heironymous bosch. 698 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,848 And it's a synthesis that wasn't done consciously. 699 00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:35,434 It was a synthesis that happened in the cauldron of stories 700 00:38:35,563 --> 00:38:38,020 that was giger's imagination. 701 00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,606 This is a character with which all three of these artists 702 00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:42,100 identified. 703 00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:43,839 And because they all resonated with this pattern, 704 00:38:43,863 --> 00:38:45,819 they were drawn together, this coming 705 00:38:45,949 --> 00:38:48,691 from a much deeper place. 706 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:52,661 Ian Nathan: Such a brilliant choice that in the end, 707 00:38:52,789 --> 00:38:56,031 you could say separates "alien" from anything else was you've 708 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:58,874 got this extraordinary artist with this sort 709 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:01,961 of mind-blowing imagery, and you inject it 710 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:03,090 straight into the film. 711 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,422 Nicholas cull: In the hands of perhaps an aficionados who 712 00:39:11,558 --> 00:39:14,425 loved horror movies and science fiction, 713 00:39:14,561 --> 00:39:17,928 it might have turned out to be a completely different movie. 714 00:39:18,064 --> 00:39:19,600 Diane o'bannon: The triptych of Dan 715 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:22,769 o'bannon, Ridley Scott, and hans rudi giger 716 00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:26,235 was the gift from the gods. 717 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:27,591 They were on the same wavelength. 718 00:39:27,615 --> 00:39:29,151 And they were all thinking about this 719 00:39:29,284 --> 00:39:34,119 is more than a science fiction adventure into the future. 720 00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:36,488 This was just as much an exploration 721 00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:39,240 of the ancient past, of the repressed 722 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,665 and forgotten that the alien represents. 723 00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:44,958 When a story comes from multiple people, 724 00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:47,673 and beyond the agency of multiple people, 725 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,714 it has a special existence. 726 00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:52,074 Roger Christian: It is a symbiosis. 727 00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:55,340 "Alien" is a symbiosis of a few people 728 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:57,307 who had that sensibility. 729 00:39:57,437 --> 00:39:59,519 If Dan had gone off and been in charge, 730 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,041 it would have been a different film. 731 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,351 It would have had more of the "dark star." 732 00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,567 Ron Cobb would have been pure Sci-Fi, all perfectly done, 733 00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:10,735 more star trekky in a way, or "2001." 734 00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:15,611 I came on board and made everything look grungy and real 735 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:18,329 and like a space truck, you know? 736 00:40:18,458 --> 00:40:21,165 "Alien", I would say we got the sets right. 737 00:40:21,294 --> 00:40:23,501 The audience didn't ever question 738 00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:26,337 that we just found some old space craft 739 00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:29,003 and gone in and filmed in it. 740 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:31,547 That was different to the world that had gone before. 741 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:35,137 There was "robby the robot," there was "barbarella." 742 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,303 It's both very tangible, and a completely different world 743 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:39,721 at the same time. 744 00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:41,970 There's something almost perennial about the way 745 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:44,438 that yes, those ships are a completely different 746 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:46,683 environment from what we're used to now 747 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,561 and what we would have seen 1,000 years ago, 748 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:50,977 but human beings haven't changed, 749 00:40:51,074 --> 00:40:53,406 and they still behave in the same way. 750 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,401 I place the hub of the wheel at Ridley, 751 00:40:56,537 --> 00:41:00,246 because he's a visionary, and he knew what to do with this film 752 00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,616 and how to marshal all these different elements 753 00:41:02,752 --> 00:41:04,538 into "alien." 754 00:41:04,671 --> 00:41:06,878 Tom skerritt: He was running the camera, 755 00:41:07,006 --> 00:41:09,372 during a lot of the lighting, everything 756 00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:11,295 was going on at once, and he was just 757 00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,590 conducting it so splendidly. 758 00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:17,384 Ridley shot, yeah, a good 80% of the film, 759 00:41:17,517 --> 00:41:18,882 and it was a panel vision camera. 760 00:41:19,018 --> 00:41:20,303 I mean, these aren't light. 761 00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:24,429 He wanted... he wanted anamorphic on purpose. 762 00:41:24,565 --> 00:41:27,932 We were contained in a space, and that wide-angle lens 763 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:31,152 made it seem much more claustrophobic. 764 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,191 The costume designer who worked with Ridley 765 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:34,635 said to me once, you know, Ridley's 766 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,116 got a camera for a head. 767 00:41:37,245 --> 00:41:42,831 He knows where to put the camera automatically. 768 00:41:42,959 --> 00:41:45,666 When your hand-held, your breathing with the actors, 769 00:41:45,795 --> 00:41:49,162 you're just part of what you're filming. 770 00:41:49,298 --> 00:41:52,085 You're not distanced. 771 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:56,712 I think that's one of the best operated films ever seen. 772 00:41:56,848 --> 00:41:58,429 It's not wobbly cam. 773 00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:00,514 It was very beautifully photographed. 774 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:08,043 Ian Nathan: There's a great opening sequences where 775 00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:10,479 the camera drifts through the empty nostromo, 776 00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:15,105 and he had this wonderful sense of movement in the frame. 777 00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:17,106 Even though they're all in their cryo chambers, 778 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,734 there's a strange sense of life about the vessel. 779 00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:22,738 It's all kind of presaging what's coming. 780 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:26,207 But it's a haunted quality that flutter in the frame. 781 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:27,615 And he talks a lot about the fact 782 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,535 that he never let the camera sit still, 783 00:42:29,672 --> 00:42:34,166 that it has to keep moving, because you want the audience 784 00:42:34,302 --> 00:42:35,667 on edge the whole time. 785 00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,385 You never let the film settle down. 786 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:40,800 And even around the scenes where they're kind of just 787 00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:43,133 having these kind of rather sort of squabbling sequences 788 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:47,015 between the crew, just normal ship stuff, 789 00:42:47,148 --> 00:42:49,810 this there's slight air of agitation about how he frames 790 00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:51,557 and how he moves the camera. 791 00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:53,174 He's getting the heartbeat 792 00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:57,443 of the film, this kind of growing throb that it has. 793 00:42:57,575 --> 00:43:01,318 Roger Christian: The reason he wanted the ship in one path 794 00:43:01,454 --> 00:43:05,197 was he wanted to film like the Mary Celeste at the opening. 795 00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:07,949 He was tracking around the ship, and there 796 00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:09,872 were eerie little things going on, 797 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:12,245 the pecking birds that I put in there for Ridley, 798 00:43:12,381 --> 00:43:14,292 and everyone said, you can't do that. 799 00:43:14,425 --> 00:43:16,006 I thought it's a great idea. 800 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,547 The annoying thing, yeah, that was a Ridley realism, 801 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,449 the little nodding... the little nodding things. 802 00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:22,304 He had a thing about that for whatever reason 803 00:43:22,433 --> 00:43:23,092 back from childhood. 804 00:43:23,226 --> 00:43:24,716 I loved it. 805 00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:26,455 Roger Christian: They were in all the cars in england. 806 00:43:26,479 --> 00:43:28,082 Everyone had these blooming things that were nodding. 807 00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:29,437 And they always was a joke. 808 00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:31,772 You know, America had dice hanging and stuff, 809 00:43:31,901 --> 00:43:34,734 but england had these nodding birds. 810 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:36,648 It's perpetual motion. 811 00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:41,400 How do you illustrate that this thing is just carrying on, 812 00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:44,528 and there's no human beings on it? 813 00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:45,949 It just worked to me. 814 00:43:46,082 --> 00:43:48,994 And that quite kind of going around the ship 815 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:53,040 and the eeriness of it, to me, said a lot. 816 00:43:53,172 --> 00:43:55,458 The little papers rustling. 817 00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:56,956 Terry rawlings: It's all illogical. 818 00:43:57,093 --> 00:43:59,425 What would make these pages flit around? 819 00:43:59,554 --> 00:44:00,614 Where's the wind coming from? 820 00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:01,502 All that stuff. 821 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,674 Ivor Powell: Yeah. 822 00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:04,968 It didn't make sense, but it did. 823 00:44:05,101 --> 00:44:06,307 Yeah. 824 00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:07,915 You know, it was like Ridley's vision. 825 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,432 His eye prevails over... 826 00:44:10,565 --> 00:44:13,557 Perhaps he'll forgive me saying... the scientific logic 827 00:44:13,693 --> 00:44:16,810 of something, which is hence why we had rain pissing 828 00:44:16,946 --> 00:44:19,653 down when Brett gets killed in that sort of chain 829 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:20,782 hanging room. 830 00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:22,440 And I had several discussions. 831 00:44:22,577 --> 00:44:24,784 Having worked on "2001," where everything 832 00:44:24,912 --> 00:44:29,497 was meticulous and real, but rain in space? 833 00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:31,616 You know, where... Where's it coming from? 834 00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:32,366 He said, I don't care. 835 00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:33,242 It looks great. 836 00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:34,209 Terry rawlings: It does. 837 00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:35,623 Ivor Powell: That was it. 838 00:44:35,756 --> 00:44:37,872 A thing that we got from Ben burtt, 839 00:44:38,009 --> 00:44:41,877 we got this sort of that 840 00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:43,878 kept going throughout the film. 841 00:44:49,437 --> 00:44:50,998 Ivor Powell: It was almost like a breathing, 842 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:53,013 a sort of an alien breath, breathing 843 00:44:53,149 --> 00:44:55,105 in, exhaling and inhaling. 844 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:57,225 And I think it gave a kind of, just a kind 845 00:44:57,361 --> 00:44:59,773 of feeling that something was breathing down your neck 846 00:44:59,906 --> 00:45:01,237 all the time. 847 00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:03,321 Kind of gave you an organic feel to the ship. 848 00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,573 Roger Christian: And then the computer 849 00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:12,950 chatter that comes on in the helmet, it makes you think, 850 00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:15,667 what's going on here? 851 00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:18,333 Everything that Ridley built up was 852 00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:21,208 building on this fear of the unknown, 853 00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:22,629 of something happening. 854 00:45:22,762 --> 00:45:25,253 Everybody's now waiting for something to happen, 855 00:45:25,389 --> 00:45:26,469 but it doesn't. 856 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:27,964 When I started working on the film, 857 00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,681 I just realized that this... 858 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:34,645 This film was going to be virtually in slow motion. 859 00:45:34,774 --> 00:45:38,232 Everything was slow, except for these stabs that you've 860 00:45:38,361 --> 00:45:40,602 got at various points. 861 00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:43,400 And you thought, how can I sort of push someone 862 00:45:43,532 --> 00:45:46,399 into a corner from the editing point of view, 863 00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:50,119 and how far do you go before the audience says enough's enough? 864 00:45:57,296 --> 00:45:58,649 [Vor Powell: There was a lot of, I think, 865 00:45:58,673 --> 00:46:01,289 studio concern about the fact that it 866 00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:05,259 was 45 minutes before anything, in their opinion, happened. 867 00:46:05,388 --> 00:46:08,130 Before the facehugger jumps out of the egg and... 868 00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,929 And hits John hurt on the... on the old visage. 869 00:46:12,061 --> 00:46:13,267 But that was its strength. 870 00:46:13,396 --> 00:46:14,476 Indeed. 871 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,095 That really was its strength, to be 872 00:46:16,232 --> 00:46:18,814 able to hold it back that long before you 873 00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:20,979 really gave it to the audience. 874 00:46:21,112 --> 00:46:24,275 They all found it very hard to cope with that. 875 00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:26,468 Ian Nathan: Dan o'bannon had conceptualized very early 876 00:46:26,492 --> 00:46:29,825 on in his script that they wouldn't find the eggs 877 00:46:29,954 --> 00:46:31,910 in the derelict spacecraft. 878 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,745 They would find the space jockey. 879 00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:40,732 Extraordinary vision, and it came from giger. 880 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:43,543 It was a giger picture. 881 00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:45,356 And it did something brilliant in the sense 882 00:46:45,386 --> 00:46:48,878 that it showed you that the universe was extraordinary. 883 00:46:49,015 --> 00:46:50,380 It was haunting. 884 00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:51,801 It was almost certainly benign. 885 00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:54,391 You felt almost sort of a loss when you saw it. 886 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,057 It was a kind of creature ossified to a chair. 887 00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:59,549 You never quite understood what was creature what was chair, 888 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,439 and it was just brilliant. 889 00:47:01,569 --> 00:47:04,606 It's another thing that Scott had to fight for. 890 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:07,606 Because fox just went, well, it doesn't have any plot function, 891 00:47:07,742 --> 00:47:09,027 you know? 892 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,242 They just go through the floor and find the eggs. 893 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,490 Ridley said, you can't just have a hole in the ground. 894 00:47:13,622 --> 00:47:16,785 You've got to suggest something. 895 00:47:16,917 --> 00:47:18,657 In the chest of what was then the space 896 00:47:18,794 --> 00:47:21,410 jockey, which we now know to be the engineer, there's a hole. 897 00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:26,507 Dallas: Bones are bent outward, like he exploded from inside. 898 00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:29,342 So you get an instance of what is a hint, 899 00:47:29,472 --> 00:47:34,592 a tiny little drop of maybe what these... these things do. 900 00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:37,560 And they lower Kane in on like, a wench. 901 00:47:37,688 --> 00:47:39,224 Dallas: Can you see anything? 902 00:47:39,357 --> 00:47:41,689 Kane: I don't... a cave. 903 00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:43,978 A cave of some sort, but I... 904 00:47:47,281 --> 00:47:49,481 I don't know, but it's like the goddamn tropics in here. 905 00:47:51,911 --> 00:47:54,698 Ian Nathan: And he sees in there this great sort of tableau 906 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:57,162 that giger had actually painted. 907 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:01,910 When we got that onto that set and saw what they had done, 908 00:48:02,046 --> 00:48:04,332 I mean, it was just... It was mind-boggling. 909 00:48:04,465 --> 00:48:06,626 Everything was actual size. 910 00:48:06,759 --> 00:48:08,624 There was no cgi. 911 00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:12,379 So you were inside of these big huge caverns 912 00:48:12,515 --> 00:48:14,506 that look like big vaginas, you know? 913 00:48:14,642 --> 00:48:18,976 I mean, everything had a sort of a very sexual orientation. 914 00:48:19,105 --> 00:48:20,811 Ian Nathan: So you've landed on the planet, 915 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,226 and you've had this ethereal sequence. 916 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:26,271 Kane is almost guided via the signal, 917 00:48:26,404 --> 00:48:28,360 some voice is calling him onwards. 918 00:48:28,489 --> 00:48:30,050 And it's kind of wonderful to think that there's 919 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:32,440 something there, you know, that the alien spacecraft 920 00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,282 is calling him. 921 00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:36,903 We get finally to the belly of the derelict, 922 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,325 and we get the egg chamber. 923 00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:41,289 That's the wake-up moment. 924 00:48:45,214 --> 00:48:48,081 That whole tactic of the beginning, the openness, 925 00:48:48,217 --> 00:48:50,378 and the kind of hauntingness, suddenly, it 926 00:48:50,511 --> 00:48:52,752 gets sucked inward. 927 00:48:52,888 --> 00:48:54,298 Up until that point, the film has 928 00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:57,765 been a kind of strange hybrid between a kubrickian 929 00:48:57,893 --> 00:49:00,805 serious science fiction and this almost kind 930 00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:02,599 of fairy tale-like atmosphere. 931 00:49:02,731 --> 00:49:06,394 It's kind of strange sort of hauntingness. 932 00:49:06,527 --> 00:49:09,735 It's not, strictly speaking, entirely realistic 933 00:49:09,864 --> 00:49:12,401 up until the point they have dinner. 934 00:49:12,533 --> 00:49:14,148 The chestburster changes the complexion 935 00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:18,995 of the film from a kind of epic to a kind of horribly, 936 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:22,957 horribly intimate and sort of claustrophobic and inward. 937 00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:24,938 It's kind of an inward movement, even though the creature 938 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:26,122 comes out of him. 939 00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:27,836 Suddenly, everybody's trapped. 940 00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:30,707 Suddenly, the spaceship is small and confined, where before, 941 00:49:30,843 --> 00:49:33,175 it being this kind of fast vessel. 942 00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:35,670 And what the film does is make that hyper leap jump 943 00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:39,298 into a primal survival story about many more things 944 00:49:39,435 --> 00:49:41,016 than we realize. 945 00:49:41,145 --> 00:49:44,353 Ridley always says that this... this 946 00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:46,347 was the scene that stood out that 947 00:49:46,484 --> 00:49:48,349 would make or break the film. 948 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:53,196 It was just some craziness that came out of Ron shusett 949 00:49:53,324 --> 00:49:56,031 and Dan o'bannon"s mind. 950 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,651 When you read it in the script, there's so many different ways 951 00:49:58,787 --> 00:50:01,153 to approach it. 952 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:05,704 And Ridley was so constrained with the scene. 953 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:08,373 It's a very significant moment in film history. 954 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,003 The idea came from a painting from Francis bacon. 955 00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:21,428 Ridley Scott told me that this painting, it's just 956 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,974 a crucification, and one of the member 957 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:33,603 has just teeth and red flesh, and he liked to have 958 00:50:33,739 --> 00:50:35,104 the chestburster like that. 959 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,025 Francis bacon: I've always been very moved 960 00:50:40,162 --> 00:50:43,074 by the movements of the mouth and the shape 961 00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:44,913 of the mouth and the teeth. 962 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:48,955 And I like the, you may say, the glitter and color 963 00:50:49,088 --> 00:50:50,953 that comes from the mouth. 964 00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:55,629 When I was first went to Paris, I found in an old bookshop 965 00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:57,717 a book on diseases of mouth. 966 00:50:57,846 --> 00:51:00,838 The plates were hand-colored, and that it 967 00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:04,138 had a tremendous effect on me. 968 00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:05,580 Michael peppiatt: The three studies 969 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,391 for figures at the base of the crucifixion 970 00:51:08,524 --> 00:51:12,893 is the real point of departure for bacon. 971 00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:18,523 He thought of that picture as his first picture. 972 00:51:18,659 --> 00:51:21,492 He was 35, and that's late, of course, for an artist 973 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,783 to have a first work. 974 00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:26,655 This is his breakthrough work. 975 00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:31,081 And it's full of contradictions, full of paradoxes. 976 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:34,751 How did suddenly this enormously challenging, 977 00:51:34,883 --> 00:51:40,719 unbelievably horrific and ugly imagery arise? 978 00:51:40,848 --> 00:51:43,590 The imagery is Christian. 979 00:51:43,726 --> 00:51:50,939 And bacon, even by then, was a very violent atheist. 980 00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:53,432 You get the crucifixion in the title, 981 00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:59,565 but it is a mixture of Greek myths and christianity. 982 00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:03,238 The Greek influence was very deep, 983 00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:05,531 and I think he thought of himself 984 00:52:05,664 --> 00:52:08,531 as somebody hounded by furies. 985 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:12,501 And I think he felt their talons in his flesh. 986 00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:15,872 He said, oh, yes, the furies visit me very often. 987 00:52:29,355 --> 00:52:31,562 Denise demetriou: The temple of Apollo at delphi 988 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:35,683 was one of the major sanctuaries of the Greek world. 989 00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:40,233 It is really important in the story of the furies. 990 00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:43,108 The furies in Greek mythology are 991 00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:47,782 avengers of crimes, usually committed by children 992 00:52:47,915 --> 00:52:49,906 against their parents. 993 00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:53,205 And they first appear in aeschylus' trilogy 994 00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:56,500 when orestes murders his mother, clytemnestra, 995 00:52:56,632 --> 00:52:59,214 and her lover, aegisthus. 996 00:52:59,343 --> 00:53:03,052 When orestes finds refuge at the temple of Apollo at delphi, 997 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,422 the ghost of clytemnestra tries to wake them up and rouse them 998 00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:09,049 so that they can fulfill their purpose, which 999 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:13,896 is to hound down orestes and take revenge 1000 00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,810 for clytemnestra's murder. 1001 00:53:15,943 --> 00:53:19,481 The violence of the brings up the... 1002 00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:21,820 The... the images. 1003 00:53:21,949 --> 00:53:24,031 I mean, if you remember that wonderful translation 1004 00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,650 of one of his lines, "the reek of human blood 1005 00:53:26,787 --> 00:53:28,152 smiles out at me." 1006 00:53:28,288 --> 00:53:30,244 Well, what could be more amazing than that? 1007 00:53:30,374 --> 00:53:34,959 That immediately brings up the most astonishing images. 1008 00:53:35,087 --> 00:53:37,829 William linn: The furies are a common torment to a creator, 1009 00:53:37,965 --> 00:53:39,421 and here's why. 1010 00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:44,010 To create is inherently a rebellion against creation. 1011 00:53:44,138 --> 00:53:46,629 Michael peppiatt: The fact that his father kicked him out 1012 00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:50,678 of the house when he discovered he was homosexual was 1013 00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:57,014 I think the furies, to some extent, 1014 00:53:57,151 --> 00:54:00,018 are actually his father, his father 1015 00:54:00,154 --> 00:54:04,193 pursuing him, chasing him out of the family home 1016 00:54:04,324 --> 00:54:08,033 and branding him as an outsider. 1017 00:54:08,162 --> 00:54:13,782 This image came fully formed out of bacon's imagination. 1018 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:19,833 It's like Athena springing fully formed from the head of Zeus. 1019 00:54:19,965 --> 00:54:21,876 I see it as the monster coming out of bacon, 1020 00:54:22,009 --> 00:54:24,125 and the monster coming out of the world. 1021 00:54:27,973 --> 00:54:30,715 Myths are thought to be messages from the divine. 1022 00:54:30,851 --> 00:54:33,934 When Ridley Scott puts this image of bacon 1023 00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:37,475 into giger's hands, that's an odd synchronicity. 1024 00:54:37,608 --> 00:54:40,350 And when you see the importance of the story, 1025 00:54:40,486 --> 00:54:43,398 and you're looking back on it with the power and magnitude 1026 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:46,442 with which that story landed, all the synchronicities 1027 00:54:46,575 --> 00:54:48,315 that brought it to that point seem all the 1028 00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:49,572 more important and stunning. 1029 00:55:02,466 --> 00:55:06,050 It's crazy that these scenes that are... a word I hate using, 1030 00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:07,884 but they are so iconic. 1031 00:55:08,013 --> 00:55:10,504 It seems like that page should be... 1032 00:55:10,641 --> 00:55:11,951 You know, obviously, there should be 1033 00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:13,966 like the constitution, right? 1034 00:55:14,102 --> 00:55:16,462 I mean, at some point at the end of "citizen Kane," it says, 1035 00:55:16,522 --> 00:55:18,763 and the camera turns and focuses and the... 1036 00:55:18,899 --> 00:55:20,059 It's a sled, rosebud. 1037 00:55:20,192 --> 00:55:21,728 Fade to black. 1038 00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:24,060 It's not like, you know, you know, you think and you go, 1039 00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:24,859 ta-da! 1040 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:26,569 Right? 1041 00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:31,988 But the chest buster scene is just a one-page description. 1042 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,612 Broussard's face is screwed up into a mask of agony, 1043 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:38,912 and he's trembling violently from head to foot. 1044 00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:43,629 There's an incoherent shriek from broussard, ch my god! 1045 00:55:43,757 --> 00:55:47,670 A red smear of blood blossoms on the chest of broussard's tunic. 1046 00:55:47,803 --> 00:55:50,260 Their eyes are all riveted to broussard's chest 1047 00:55:50,389 --> 00:55:52,596 as the fabric of his tunic is ripped open, 1048 00:55:52,724 --> 00:55:56,763 and a horrible, nasty little head the size of a man's fist 1049 00:55:56,895 --> 00:55:58,260 pushes out. 1050 00:55:58,397 --> 00:56:00,763 Everybody screams and leaps back from the table. 1051 00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:03,140 The cat spits and bolts. 1052 00:56:03,277 --> 00:56:06,394 The disgusting little head lunges, comes spurting out 1053 00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:09,693 of broussard's chest, trailing a thick worm-like tail, 1054 00:56:09,825 --> 00:56:11,941 splattering fluids and blood. 1055 00:56:12,077 --> 00:56:13,738 Lands in the middle of the dishes 1056 00:56:13,871 --> 00:56:16,203 and food on the table and screws away while the men 1057 00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:18,697 are stampeding for safe ground. 1058 00:56:18,834 --> 00:56:22,497 When they finally regain control of themselves, it has escaped. 1059 00:56:22,629 --> 00:56:25,746 Broussard lies slumped in his chair, a huge hole 1060 00:56:25,883 --> 00:56:28,215 in his chest spouting blood. 1061 00:56:28,343 --> 00:56:30,334 The dishes are scattered and the food is 1062 00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:32,426 covered with blood and slime. 1063 00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,015 I'd make that movie. 1064 00:56:37,144 --> 00:56:38,554 Yeah. 1065 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:40,164 The chestburster made everything possible for us. 1066 00:56:40,188 --> 00:56:41,974 It wouldn't have been the magic it was 1067 00:56:42,107 --> 00:56:43,938 without the chestburster scene. 1068 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,433 Everything rested on that scene from beginning to end, 1069 00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:48,982 from getting the film made, to how the audience responds, 1070 00:56:49,114 --> 00:56:51,901 to whether those monsters continue to live 1071 00:56:52,034 --> 00:56:53,695 in our imagination today. 1072 00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:55,533 It's that moment we finally assert 1073 00:56:55,662 --> 00:56:57,698 that science fiction isn't only about minds, 1074 00:56:57,831 --> 00:56:59,196 it's about our bodies. 1075 00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:00,914 It's continuous with the directions 1076 00:57:01,043 --> 00:57:04,080 horror was taking over the preceding decade, right? 1077 00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,077 Horror is moving toward body horror, 1078 00:57:06,214 --> 00:57:09,377 through David cronenberg in particular. 1079 00:57:09,509 --> 00:57:11,591 It's part of the texture of a film 1080 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:15,212 that to me, is one of the most tactile movies ever made. 1081 00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:18,182 The sense of goo and grime, of things 1082 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:22,974 spurting at us, the sense of heat and steam and sweat. 1083 00:57:25,943 --> 00:57:29,686 There is a tendency to think about the chestburster sequence 1084 00:57:29,821 --> 00:57:32,437 as a scene or even a moment. 1085 00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:35,281 But it really takes a while to build up to it. 1086 00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,583 The nostromo moving in. 1087 00:57:44,711 --> 00:57:47,794 It's funny, isn't it, how all these, you know, 1088 00:57:47,923 --> 00:57:50,960 outer space shots now have a certain sort of like, you know, 1089 00:57:51,093 --> 00:57:52,708 generalization about them. 1090 00:57:52,844 --> 00:57:56,007 You know, when you think about "2001," how gob-smacking that 1091 00:57:56,139 --> 00:57:59,222 was at the time, and now we just take it completely for granted. 1092 00:58:02,771 --> 00:58:05,057 Michael peppiatt: Why is it called the nostromo? 1093 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:07,897 The shuttle craft is called the narcissus. 1094 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:11,610 Narcissus and nostromo are both words 1095 00:58:11,738 --> 00:58:16,402 that are used in book titles by Joseph Conrad, who wrote 1096 00:58:16,535 --> 00:58:19,743 about the evils of imperialism. 1097 00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:22,362 By allusion to the works of Conrad, 1098 00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,741 there's a strand within "alien" which is about a concern 1099 00:58:25,877 --> 00:58:28,493 as to what humanity might find as it 1100 00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:32,248 ventures into the dark places. 1101 00:58:32,384 --> 00:58:34,170 In the case of Conrad, he's thinking 1102 00:58:34,302 --> 00:58:40,138 about the heart of darkness, the dark places of empire. 1103 00:58:40,267 --> 00:58:43,555 At the same moment that Ridley Scott is making "alien," 1104 00:58:43,687 --> 00:58:47,305 you have Francis Ford coppola adapting "heart of darkness" 1105 00:58:47,441 --> 00:58:51,434 to be "apocalypse now," and explicitly commenting 1106 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:54,437 on parallels between the Vietnam war 1107 00:58:54,573 --> 00:58:59,488 and the encounter with evil in the British and Belgian empire. 1108 00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:02,827 "Alien" directs our attention or reminds us 1109 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:07,450 of the dangers of imperialism and conquest 1110 00:59:07,586 --> 00:59:10,043 of other places, what we might find 1111 00:59:10,172 --> 00:59:13,335 in these uncharted regions, especially if we attempt 1112 00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:15,082 to exploit those regions. 1113 00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:18,676 I hate to bring this up, but this is a commercial ship, not 1114 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:19,840 a rescue ship. 1115 00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,258 Right. 1116 00:59:21,391 --> 00:59:23,757 It's not in my contract to do this kind of duty. 1117 00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:27,807 Michael peppiatt: The 1970s was a time of economic downturn, 1118 00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:31,227 of threat, threat coming from new places. 1119 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:33,725 Ash, can you see this? 1120 00:59:33,862 --> 00:59:34,862 Yes, I can. 1121 00:59:38,033 --> 00:59:39,443 I've never seen anything like it. 1122 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:40,678 Michael peppiatt: Particularly the 1123 00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:43,114 first stirrings of terrorism. 1124 00:59:43,246 --> 00:59:44,736 There were enemies within. 1125 00:59:44,873 --> 00:59:47,706 There was political corruption. 1126 00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,371 People had doubts, were feeling isolated, 1127 00:59:50,504 --> 00:59:52,369 were feeling disillusioned. 1128 00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:54,997 I say that we abandon this ship. 1129 00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:57,340 We get the shuttle and just get the hell out of here. 1130 00:59:57,469 --> 01:00:00,256 We take our chances and just hope that somebody... 1131 01:00:00,388 --> 01:00:01,127 Lambert. 1132 01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:02,754 Lambert: Picks us up. 1133 01:00:02,891 --> 01:00:04,410 Michael peppiatt: This is a consequence of Watergate. 1134 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,550 This is a consequence of the Vietnam war. 1135 01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:10,178 This is a consequence of the political corruption in Europe. 1136 01:00:10,315 --> 01:00:13,478 And I think that that uncertainty 1137 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:16,852 plays out in all kinds of movies from that period. 1138 01:00:19,699 --> 01:00:23,692 Drew Morton: If you look at '78, you get Ted Bundy's captured, 1139 01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:26,866 John Wayne gacy's captured, the hillside strangler's out there. 1140 01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:28,579 So there's this kind of new phenomenon 1141 01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:30,118 out there, right, the serial killer, 1142 01:00:30,252 --> 01:00:31,788 and what does that mean? 1143 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,314 There's this kind of idea that there's 1144 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:35,454 something out there that can be completely evil 1145 01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:37,501 and illogical and horrible. 1146 01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:38,965 And there's no reasoning with it, 1147 01:00:39,094 --> 01:00:41,836 and there's nothing you can do to really stop it. 1148 01:00:41,972 --> 01:00:43,758 At no point in the "alien" movies, 1149 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:45,201 and definitely not in the first one, 1150 01:00:45,225 --> 01:00:47,932 do you feel like what makes us human 1151 01:00:48,061 --> 01:00:50,347 is the thing that allows us to beat this creature. 1152 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:58,480 I admire its purity, a survivor, 1153 01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:06,903 unclouded by conscience, remorse, 1154 01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:09,029 or delusions of morality. 1155 01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:11,748 There is a commentary in there about the way that things are 1156 01:01:11,877 --> 01:01:14,869 going right now, and about what we're doing as human beings, 1157 01:01:15,005 --> 01:01:16,461 and how we're taking those strengths, 1158 01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:19,081 and those emotions, those things that make us human, 1159 01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:22,004 and we're turning our backs on them. 1160 01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:24,549 Michael peppiatt: You have in these, in the 1970s, 1161 01:01:24,681 --> 01:01:27,343 tremendous fear over what's happening 1162 01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,466 to the American family. 1163 01:01:29,603 --> 01:01:31,013 And I don't love you anymore. 1164 01:01:33,773 --> 01:01:34,307 Where you going? 1165 01:01:34,441 --> 01:01:36,557 I don't know. 1166 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:39,059 Michael peppiatt: Panic about divorce, 1167 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:42,313 panic about family breakdowns. 1168 01:01:42,449 --> 01:01:43,859 Here's what I don't understand, 1169 01:01:43,992 --> 01:01:45,469 all the time... where are you... where are you running? 1170 01:01:45,493 --> 01:01:47,013 All the times I come over here, I can't understand 1171 01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:48,277 how you can prefer her to me. 1172 01:01:48,413 --> 01:01:49,243 You can't understand that? 1173 01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:50,703 No. It's a mystery. 1174 01:01:50,832 --> 01:01:51,934 Well, you knew my history when you married me. 1175 01:01:51,958 --> 01:01:52,993 Yeah. 1176 01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:54,353 Michael peppiatt: I think you can 1177 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,663 see that the crew of the space ship 1178 01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:59,629 operate like a kind of family, and there 1179 01:01:59,758 --> 01:02:03,797 are sort of family-type tensions between them. 1180 01:02:03,929 --> 01:02:06,045 Before we dock, I think we oughta 1181 01:02:06,181 --> 01:02:07,512 discuss the bonus situation. 1182 01:02:07,641 --> 01:02:09,118 Right, right. Parker: We think we ought... 1183 01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:10,453 One of the things that that strikes me 1184 01:02:10,477 --> 01:02:12,593 about this movie in general is the way 1185 01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:16,096 that it's connecting what's gonna happen with 80s movies 1186 01:02:16,233 --> 01:02:18,724 and what has happened in 70s movies. 1187 01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:22,899 Because sonically, it feels like a Robert Altman movie. 1188 01:02:23,031 --> 01:02:24,759 You have this scene of all of these characters 1189 01:02:24,783 --> 01:02:28,275 sitting around talking before they find out that Kane is ok. 1190 01:02:28,411 --> 01:02:30,411 How about a little something to lower your spirits? 1191 01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:31,865 Thrill me, will you, please? 1192 01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:33,684 Adam Mortimer: The way that it's blocked and staged, 1193 01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:36,666 five or six people in the frame who are all doing something. 1194 01:02:36,795 --> 01:02:38,581 Just give me the short version. 1195 01:02:38,713 --> 01:02:40,749 Adam Mortimer: People talking on top of each other 1196 01:02:40,882 --> 01:02:44,875 at once at equal volumes, where you have to sort of decide 1197 01:02:45,011 --> 01:02:46,967 who you want to listen to, and they're 1198 01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:50,009 all mumbling and talking extremely naturalistically. 1199 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,516 It's doing the thing that cinema in America 1200 01:02:57,649 --> 01:02:59,731 was doing in the 70s, which was to try to point 1201 01:02:59,859 --> 01:03:03,852 the lens at a more naturalistic working class 1202 01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:06,526 reality of America. 1203 01:03:06,658 --> 01:03:10,276 The future of blue collar workers 1204 01:03:10,412 --> 01:03:14,280 is something that's wholly revolutionary. 1205 01:03:14,416 --> 01:03:16,907 And the movie, in a way, is about that. 1206 01:03:17,043 --> 01:03:20,206 It's about the exploitation of these blue collar workers 1207 01:03:20,338 --> 01:03:22,249 by the corporation. 1208 01:03:22,382 --> 01:03:24,043 Hey, Ripley, I wanna ask you a question. 1209 01:03:27,012 --> 01:03:28,614 If they find what they're looking for out there, 1210 01:03:28,638 --> 01:03:30,048 does that mean we get full shares? 1211 01:03:30,181 --> 01:03:31,387 Don't worry, Parker. 1212 01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:34,474 Yeah, you'll get whatever's coming to you. 1213 01:03:34,602 --> 01:03:36,809 Look, I'm not gonna do any more work till we 1214 01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,018 get this straightened out. 1215 01:03:39,733 --> 01:03:41,973 "Alien," to me, makes more sense if it were made in 1974, 1216 01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:44,480 '75, '76 than after "star wars." 1217 01:03:44,612 --> 01:03:46,148 "Alien" is a smaller movie. 1218 01:03:46,281 --> 01:03:48,112 "Alien"... I can't believe I'm saying this... 1219 01:03:48,241 --> 01:03:50,402 Is a realistic movie. 1220 01:03:50,535 --> 01:03:51,945 Henry Jenkins: Part of it was just 1221 01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:55,536 getting away from that sanitized view of space that 1222 01:03:55,665 --> 01:03:59,078 had dominated science fiction from the 60s and much 1223 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:02,077 of the 70s, and coming to something 1224 01:04:02,213 --> 01:04:05,296 that felt like a real lived-in environment. 1225 01:04:05,425 --> 01:04:07,040 It was continuous with the world we 1226 01:04:07,177 --> 01:04:09,634 knew outside the movie theater. 1227 01:04:09,763 --> 01:04:10,823 Adam Mortimer: Harry Dean Stanton 1228 01:04:10,847 --> 01:04:12,587 and yaphet kotto are the two most 1229 01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:14,385 working class guys on the ship. 1230 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:18,226 And they, unwittingly maybe, but maybe intuitively, 1231 01:04:18,355 --> 01:04:20,971 know that if they just freeze Kane, 1232 01:04:21,107 --> 01:04:23,849 everything's going to be ok. 1233 01:04:23,985 --> 01:04:26,977 How come they don't freeze him? 1234 01:04:27,113 --> 01:04:29,479 How come you guys don't freeze him? 1235 01:04:29,616 --> 01:04:31,218 What I think we should do is just freeze him. 1236 01:04:31,242 --> 01:04:32,322 I mean, he's got a disease. 1237 01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:33,866 Why don't we stop it where it is? 1238 01:04:33,995 --> 01:04:35,389 He can always get to a doctor when we get back home. 1239 01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:36,823 Right. 1240 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:39,823 They're speaking the truth in this kind of almost 1241 01:04:39,959 --> 01:04:41,995 Greek chorus kind of prophet way, 1242 01:04:42,128 --> 01:04:43,522 but nobody really wants to listen to them, 1243 01:04:43,546 --> 01:04:45,537 and they're just making fun of them. 1244 01:04:45,673 --> 01:04:47,459 Whenever he says anything, you say 1245 01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:49,423 right, Brett, you know that? 1246 01:04:49,552 --> 01:04:50,632 Right. 1247 01:04:50,762 --> 01:04:52,343 What they're making fun of them for 1248 01:04:52,472 --> 01:04:55,885 is that Harry Dean Stanton keeps saying right, right, right, 1249 01:04:56,017 --> 01:04:57,848 but it's because they are right. 1250 01:04:57,977 --> 01:05:00,434 And in the staging of this scene, 1251 01:05:00,563 --> 01:05:03,396 Dallas, the ship captain, is sitting closest to us, 1252 01:05:03,525 --> 01:05:07,268 and there's this wall of the two working class guys between him 1253 01:05:07,404 --> 01:05:10,896 and the two women, who are scientists and flight officers. 1254 01:05:11,032 --> 01:05:12,943 And when he gets frustrated with this sense 1255 01:05:13,076 --> 01:05:16,989 that, even jokingly, his authority is being undermined 1256 01:05:17,122 --> 01:05:19,659 by these two guys, who are his employees, 1257 01:05:19,791 --> 01:05:22,123 he crosses to the far depth of the shot 1258 01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:24,834 to talk to lambert, who immediately 1259 01:05:24,963 --> 01:05:27,329 starts talking this sort of elevated, educated way. 1260 01:05:27,465 --> 01:05:29,831 Well, according to my calculations, based on time 1261 01:05:29,968 --> 01:05:31,549 spent getting to and from the planet... 1262 01:05:31,678 --> 01:05:32,918 Just give me the short version. 1263 01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:34,169 How far to earth? 1264 01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:35,590 10 months. 1265 01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:37,201 Adam Mortimer: And you can really see visually 1266 01:05:37,225 --> 01:05:39,557 in this incredibly subtle way that there really 1267 01:05:39,686 --> 01:05:44,476 is this war about the movement between the classes on the ship 1268 01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:47,849 and who has the right to be heard. 1269 01:05:47,986 --> 01:05:49,851 Right. 1270 01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:53,446 Michael peppiatt: We now know that Hollywood in the 1970s 1271 01:05:53,575 --> 01:05:56,567 was a very oppressive place for women. 1272 01:05:56,703 --> 01:05:58,193 Do you find, in fact, that this, what 1273 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,945 could be best described as your equipment, in fact, 1274 01:06:01,082 --> 01:06:02,367 hinders you perhaps? 1275 01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:04,145 Michael peppiatt: You think about the sexism, 1276 01:06:04,169 --> 01:06:08,082 the misogyny that was implicit within the industry that 1277 01:06:08,214 --> 01:06:09,044 made this film. 1278 01:06:09,174 --> 01:06:10,254 You mean my fingers? 1279 01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:13,216 No, I meant your... 1280 01:06:15,763 --> 01:06:16,593 Come on, spit it out. 1281 01:06:16,723 --> 01:06:17,508 I meant your... 1282 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,640 Your figure. 1283 01:06:18,766 --> 01:06:20,347 My figure? 1284 01:06:20,477 --> 01:06:22,371 Michael peppiatt: And there's no way of looking at "alien" 1285 01:06:22,395 --> 01:06:27,389 without seeing it as a male fantasy of the kind 1286 01:06:27,525 --> 01:06:30,562 of oppression that have been being handed out to women 1287 01:06:30,695 --> 01:06:37,191 over the centuries, a guilt that was part of masculinity 1288 01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:43,163 in the 1970s, and should be part of masculinity now. 1289 01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:47,284 "Alien" has within it fantasies of male pregnancy, fantasies 1290 01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:53,461 of male rape, fantasies of male penetration. 1291 01:06:53,593 --> 01:06:57,927 And it's all tied up with that amazing chest buster scene. 1292 01:06:58,056 --> 01:06:59,762 I don't know how explicitly they 1293 01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:01,552 realized what they were doing. 1294 01:07:01,684 --> 01:07:03,454 I can't imagine that any studio would be like, 1295 01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:05,719 yes, you're making a male rape movie in space. 1296 01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:07,595 For sure, let's go for it. 1297 01:07:07,732 --> 01:07:09,347 It's wonderful that the unconscious works 1298 01:07:09,484 --> 01:07:12,442 in so many mysterious ways. 1299 01:07:15,281 --> 01:07:18,694 An accidental awakening of some repressed spirit. 1300 01:07:18,826 --> 01:07:23,616 The furies certainly speak for the repressed feminine. 1301 01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:27,536 And "alien" certainly represents the repressed 1302 01:07:27,669 --> 01:07:30,706 feminine's retribution. 1303 01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:34,296 "Alien" touched a nerve with a lot of people 1304 01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:38,293 because it was talking about something, 1305 01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:45,016 that even in 2019, we're still not comfortable addressing. 1306 01:07:45,144 --> 01:07:51,231 The idea that "alien" is addressing 1307 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:56,774 the guilt that a patriarchal society feels 1308 01:07:56,906 --> 01:07:58,817 makes perfect sense to me. 1309 01:07:58,950 --> 01:08:00,531 We'll move in pairs. 1310 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:03,652 We'll go step by step and cut off every bulkhead and every 1311 01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:06,200 vent until we have it cornered, and then we'll blow it 1312 01:08:06,332 --> 01:08:07,913 the fuck out into space. 1313 01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:10,624 Is that acceptable to you? 1314 01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:12,960 Ripley was created in 1979, and it's 1315 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:15,796 insane that we don't have that many great female characters 1316 01:08:15,925 --> 01:08:17,085 since. 1317 01:08:17,218 --> 01:08:19,254 And especially in a genre like horror, 1318 01:08:19,387 --> 01:08:23,551 that's given so many female characters throughout time, 1319 01:08:23,683 --> 01:08:25,298 and yet, there's not one that strikes us 1320 01:08:25,435 --> 01:08:29,178 as being as developed and as complex and as interesting 1321 01:08:29,314 --> 01:08:30,429 as Ripley was. 1322 01:08:30,565 --> 01:08:32,726 And isn't it ironic that she ends up 1323 01:08:32,859 --> 01:08:36,272 being that way because she was written to be a man? 1324 01:08:36,404 --> 01:08:39,487 Ripley is the only maternal character 1325 01:08:39,616 --> 01:08:41,698 within her promethean crew. 1326 01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:45,660 Her transformation gives us direction 1327 01:08:45,788 --> 01:08:48,530 for the transformation that we need to take as a culture 1328 01:08:48,666 --> 01:08:50,122 to avoid self-destruction. 1329 01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:51,251 She's a new example. 1330 01:08:53,838 --> 01:08:56,079 Adam Mortimer: When we start off this sequence with Kane, 1331 01:08:56,215 --> 01:08:58,376 this very strange shot that's low angle, 1332 01:08:58,509 --> 01:09:00,124 and he's all the way to the side... 1333 01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:03,003 And maybe at that point, for want of a better term, 1334 01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:04,992 there's kind of this something's being buried inside you, 1335 01:09:05,016 --> 01:09:06,452 something's been planted in your brain, 1336 01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:07,932 and you're not sure what. 1337 01:09:08,061 --> 01:09:09,061 Parker: How you doing? 1338 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:09,884 Ian Nathan: Kane seems all right. 1339 01:09:10,021 --> 01:09:11,557 He's even smiling a bit. 1340 01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:13,083 He's not at his best, but he's... he's looking a bit peaky, 1341 01:09:13,107 --> 01:09:15,644 but he's starting to kind of cough. 1342 01:09:15,777 --> 01:09:17,938 Before you realize what really happens, 1343 01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:19,561 your brain is already ahead of you. 1344 01:09:19,697 --> 01:09:23,360 Your brain is going, it's in him, and it's coming out. 1345 01:09:23,493 --> 01:09:24,928 Adam Mortimer: One thing that he's certainly 1346 01:09:24,952 --> 01:09:27,944 taking advantage of is the incredible width 1347 01:09:28,081 --> 01:09:29,912 of the anamorphic frame. 1348 01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:33,283 The entire cast is in this one wide shot. 1349 01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:36,035 What could be safer than every single cast 1350 01:09:36,172 --> 01:09:40,506 member in a brightly lit white room in a horror movie? 1351 01:09:40,635 --> 01:09:42,045 Everything in that ship is so dark. 1352 01:09:42,178 --> 01:09:44,760 I mean, the light Ridley Scott uses is literally 1353 01:09:44,889 --> 01:09:45,949 the light from the torches. 1354 01:09:45,973 --> 01:09:47,554 That's it, right? 1355 01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:50,004 But that scene, oh my god, you could operate in that scene. 1356 01:09:50,061 --> 01:09:51,497 And you needed to operate in that scene, 1357 01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:54,604 but they couldn't save the patient. 1358 01:09:54,732 --> 01:09:56,643 Adam Mortimer: You go to ash's reaction. 1359 01:09:56,776 --> 01:09:58,732 I think that really, the key to the tension 1360 01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:01,352 here is tracking ash, because he's always in opposition 1361 01:10:01,489 --> 01:10:03,605 to everybody else. 1362 01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:05,427 It's a very short shot, and you wouldn't notice it 1363 01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:06,679 the first time, but when you go back 1364 01:10:06,703 --> 01:10:08,568 and rewatch it you realize, he knows 1365 01:10:08,705 --> 01:10:10,161 that this is going to happen. 1366 01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:13,156 There's so many more single one shots of him 1367 01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:16,659 in this very strange off-kilter framing that really gives him 1368 01:10:16,796 --> 01:10:19,879 this sinister surveillance kind of vibe, 1369 01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:21,727 whereas most of the other characters, you're 1370 01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:25,047 seeing them in groups, because they're all on the same team. 1371 01:10:25,179 --> 01:10:27,591 You believe that this is because he has a better intuition 1372 01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:29,827 than the rest of them about how dangerous it is and he's trying 1373 01:10:29,851 --> 01:10:31,967 to protect them, but in fact, he's 1374 01:10:32,103 --> 01:10:35,516 trying to protect this baby monster that he's 1375 01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:36,888 allowed to come into the world. 1376 01:10:37,024 --> 01:10:39,265 This son of a bitch is huge. 1377 01:10:39,402 --> 01:10:40,642 I mean, it's like a man. 1378 01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,813 It's big. 1379 01:10:41,946 --> 01:10:44,562 Kane's son. 1380 01:10:44,699 --> 01:10:46,735 Ash is such a dick. 1381 01:10:46,868 --> 01:10:48,654 Dallas: Ash, you hear or see anything? 1382 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:55,286 When you think about it, he's not an authentic being. 1383 01:10:55,418 --> 01:11:02,836 So someone, a human person had to program him, educate him. 1384 01:11:02,967 --> 01:11:05,333 Not only is he supposed to look like a person, 1385 01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:08,257 he's supposed to pass as a person, 1386 01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:10,129 because the crew didn't know. 1387 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:15,135 And that's what makes him the worse. 1388 01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,104 That misogyny was built-in. 1389 01:11:18,232 --> 01:11:19,563 Could kill him. 1390 01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:21,307 Clarke wolfe: Ash looks at Dallas, 1391 01:11:21,444 --> 01:11:22,650 like, what do you think? 1392 01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:23,881 I'm willing to take that chance. 1393 01:11:23,905 --> 01:11:25,020 Just cut it off of him. 1394 01:11:25,156 --> 01:11:26,236 You take responsibility? 1395 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:27,593 Yes, yes, I'll take responsibility. 1396 01:11:27,617 --> 01:11:29,073 Now get it off of him. 1397 01:11:29,202 --> 01:11:31,284 Clarke wolfe: Ripley, on the other hand, is saying, 1398 01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:34,403 it's my job to make this call. 1399 01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,871 Dallas: Ripley, this is an order. 1400 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,830 You hear me? 1401 01:11:36,959 --> 01:11:37,959 Yes. 1402 01:11:38,002 --> 01:11:38,741 I read you. 1403 01:11:38,878 --> 01:11:42,666 The answer is negative. 1404 01:11:42,799 --> 01:11:44,130 Inner hatch opened. 1405 01:11:44,258 --> 01:11:46,590 And he says, nope, that's not gonna happen. 1406 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,334 I override you. 1407 01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:53,556 Where does he get the idea to penetrate this woman forcibly? 1408 01:11:53,684 --> 01:11:55,265 You know, but it doesn't logically 1409 01:11:55,394 --> 01:11:57,806 make sense for an artificial life form to do that. 1410 01:11:57,939 --> 01:11:58,939 He would choke her. 1411 01:11:58,981 --> 01:12:00,892 He would suffocate her. 1412 01:12:01,025 --> 01:12:05,940 The final choice that he makes is to just 1413 01:12:06,072 --> 01:12:08,063 put this woman in her place. 1414 01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:11,942 The programming... think, if we think about that, 1415 01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:16,947 if we really unpack that, it's so frustrating. 1416 01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:19,119 I hate him. 1417 01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:24,358 Adam Mortimer: Another thing that I think 1418 01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:27,715 about is the tradition of dramatizations that happen 1419 01:12:27,844 --> 01:12:30,631 over dinners, which you can see in anything 1420 01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:34,096 from Chekov, to ibsen, going back to Shakespeare. 1421 01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:36,932 And I can't help but think of "guess who's coming to dinner." 1422 01:12:37,061 --> 01:12:39,473 And in this case, it's the alien who's coming to dinner 1423 01:12:39,605 --> 01:12:43,974 and shreds the social fabric of the dinner table. 1424 01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:47,318 But the text and the subtext is totally about food, right? 1425 01:12:47,446 --> 01:12:49,983 The first thing that I'm gonna do when I get back 1426 01:12:50,116 --> 01:12:51,947 is to get some decent food. 1427 01:12:52,076 --> 01:12:53,236 I can dig it, man. 1428 01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:54,638 I'm telling you I've eaten worse food... 1429 01:12:54,662 --> 01:12:55,889 Adam Mortimer: Even when it comes to... 1430 01:12:55,913 --> 01:12:57,494 There's this shot across the table, 1431 01:12:57,623 --> 01:13:00,956 and you can see the cat in the background, soft focus, 1432 01:13:01,085 --> 01:13:03,041 it's eating dinner too. 1433 01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:05,832 Kane: Usually you know what it's made of. 1434 01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:08,707 No, man, I don't want to talk about what it's made of. 1435 01:13:08,843 --> 01:13:09,673 I'm eating... 1436 01:13:09,802 --> 01:13:11,258 What's the food made of? 1437 01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:14,675 It's made out of your fucking insides of your body. 1438 01:13:14,807 --> 01:13:16,843 And there's just this cluster of noise. 1439 01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:19,934 And it's almost like you're hearing it from the point 1440 01:13:20,062 --> 01:13:21,643 of view of the chestburster. 1441 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:23,728 It's inside of Kane. 1442 01:13:23,858 --> 01:13:25,689 It's fully conscious. 1443 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:27,558 It's about to come through him. 1444 01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:30,528 It's first impressions of the universe 1445 01:13:30,656 --> 01:13:32,112 are hearing these indistinct voices 1446 01:13:32,241 --> 01:13:33,572 of all of these human beings. 1447 01:13:33,701 --> 01:13:36,943 It's like you're in this sort of Sonic womb. 1448 01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:41,322 Roger corman: Now, from the laughter, comes of first sign 1449 01:13:41,459 --> 01:13:44,701 that something is wrong. 1450 01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:48,955 That is John brilliantly portraying the beginning 1451 01:13:49,091 --> 01:13:51,673 of the pain within him. 1452 01:13:51,802 --> 01:13:57,013 The reaction of everybody is so precise, so right. 1453 01:13:57,141 --> 01:13:58,619 Adam Mortimer: As soon as this guy gets sick, 1454 01:13:58,643 --> 01:14:01,259 and he flips hand-held behind his head, 1455 01:14:01,395 --> 01:14:03,761 you feel like you're in this completely different world. 1456 01:14:03,898 --> 01:14:06,765 To me, Ridley's really pulling a kubrick here. 1457 01:14:06,901 --> 01:14:08,562 You see this in "clockwork orange," 1458 01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:10,309 you see this in "Barry lyndon." 1459 01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:13,529 In all of these movies, you have kubrick approaching 1460 01:14:13,658 --> 01:14:16,491 sets and characters with a very squared 1461 01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:18,701 off and rigid formal style. 1462 01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:20,990 But when violence happens, kubrick 1463 01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:24,115 will drastically change the kind of visual vocabulary 1464 01:14:24,251 --> 01:14:25,661 of the scene. 1465 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:27,064 Adam Mortimer: It's this amazing choice 1466 01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:29,170 to not see Kane's face at the very moment 1467 01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:31,209 that he's going through the most agony. 1468 01:14:31,342 --> 01:14:33,424 It's incredibly unnerving, and it's 1469 01:14:33,552 --> 01:14:36,259 sort of a taste of what's about to happen 1470 01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:39,756 25 seconds later when it becomes one of the messiest scenes 1471 01:14:39,892 --> 01:14:41,223 in film history. 1472 01:14:41,352 --> 01:14:43,684 Ridley Scott: Hello, Roger, and cut, push out. 1473 01:14:43,813 --> 01:14:45,644 Roger Christian: It was kind of looming 1474 01:14:45,773 --> 01:14:47,309 at us this scene, you know? 1475 01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,807 Everyone was a bit worried about it for sure, 1476 01:14:49,944 --> 01:14:51,900 because a, it'd never been done before, 1477 01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:55,567 and there was so much preparation around it. 1478 01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:57,820 Ian Nathan: Like much of the design work for the film, 1479 01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:00,401 it had taken a long while to get to where they were. 1480 01:15:00,538 --> 01:15:03,029 And I don't know how fully satisfied Ridley was. 1481 01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:04,996 I think the egg and the facehugger 1482 01:15:05,126 --> 01:15:07,162 worked very clearly for him. 1483 01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:09,064 You'd have the kind of witch's fingers element 1484 01:15:09,088 --> 01:15:10,816 of the facehugger, it's slightly kind of sort 1485 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,172 of insectile nature of it. 1486 01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:15,507 But the chestburster was difficult, because it 1487 01:15:15,636 --> 01:15:16,716 had to appear childlike. 1488 01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:18,198 It had to at least kind of function. 1489 01:15:18,222 --> 01:15:20,178 It had to be able to come out of his chest, 1490 01:15:20,307 --> 01:15:22,798 it had to suggest the creature to come. 1491 01:15:22,935 --> 01:15:25,677 So in a way, the design of the chestburster was governed most, 1492 01:15:25,813 --> 01:15:28,304 I think, by function and practicality, 1493 01:15:28,441 --> 01:15:33,185 the need the sequence as much by the flamboyance of giger's work 1494 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,984 and then Scott's desire to create something extraordinary. 1495 01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:40,278 [Vor Powell: They couldn't solve the look of it. 1496 01:15:40,411 --> 01:15:42,948 Giger had a go at the chestburster, 1497 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,661 and he says he never got it right. 1498 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:46,405 It wasn't working. 1499 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:49,830 I did some design they looked like chicken, something like... 1500 01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:52,578 Like chicken without feathers. 1501 01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:55,377 But I was not happy with. 1502 01:15:55,509 --> 01:15:59,127 And then build up the thing, and it 1503 01:15:59,263 --> 01:16:02,255 looked like a small dinosaur. 1504 01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:04,369 Ian Nathan: It had versions that kind of looked like a Turkey 1505 01:16:04,393 --> 01:16:06,475 that had been sort of plucked. 1506 01:16:06,604 --> 01:16:08,094 Just were laughable. 1507 01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:10,390 They couldn't come up with something that was genuinely 1508 01:16:10,483 --> 01:16:12,565 terrifying in its own right. 1509 01:16:12,693 --> 01:16:14,308 Roger Christian: Roger dicken went away 1510 01:16:14,445 --> 01:16:16,436 and developed it on his own. 1511 01:16:16,572 --> 01:16:19,564 He was able to make it work. 1512 01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:22,157 They had made this little puppet. 1513 01:16:22,286 --> 01:16:25,278 Frankly, it looked like a penis and... 1514 01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:26,620 With teeth. 1515 01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:29,832 And they had, like, they said, and we're 1516 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,077 going to have it so that it'll just blow up, 1517 01:16:33,214 --> 01:16:34,441 and then these teeth will come out. 1518 01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:36,831 They were like, describing this. 1519 01:16:36,967 --> 01:16:38,673 It's just a thing. 1520 01:16:38,803 --> 01:16:41,465 We were going, oh, ok. 1521 01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:44,930 I mean, they were so excited, these puppeteer people. 1522 01:16:45,059 --> 01:16:47,801 They were... it was just hysterical. 1523 01:16:47,937 --> 01:16:49,956 Ian Nathan: The fundamental math of the chestburster sequence 1524 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:51,811 is that the cast didn't know. 1525 01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:53,681 Course, this isn't quite true. 1526 01:16:53,818 --> 01:16:56,018 We knew that there was going to be a chestburster scene, 1527 01:16:56,112 --> 01:16:58,728 we just didn't know how it was going to be done. 1528 01:16:58,864 --> 01:17:00,504 Roger Christian: John hurt obviously knew, 1529 01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:03,699 so they just kept him plied with red wine and cigarettes all day 1530 01:17:03,828 --> 01:17:05,068 long. 1531 01:17:05,204 --> 01:17:08,617 They knew they were relying on his Patience 1532 01:17:08,749 --> 01:17:12,958 to stay in that position while everything was set up. 1533 01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:16,045 The atmosphere on the set had a certain frisson, 1534 01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:18,539 you know, in the morning, because everybody 1535 01:17:18,676 --> 01:17:21,383 knew that this was filmically, a sort of major scene. 1536 01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,281 I don't think anybody had any idea that it would 1537 01:17:23,305 --> 01:17:25,842 become a kind of film classic. 1538 01:17:25,975 --> 01:17:28,328 Ian Nathan: Roger dicken brought the chestburster to the set 1539 01:17:28,352 --> 01:17:29,888 in a carrier bag. 1540 01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:31,635 Blood was being loaded. 1541 01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:34,309 All the crew was sort of donning these rain jackets because they 1542 01:17:34,441 --> 01:17:36,056 kind of knew what was coming. 1543 01:17:36,193 --> 01:17:38,130 Roger Christian: In the morning, Ridley said, let's put 1544 01:17:38,154 --> 01:17:40,145 some bits of gristle and stuff. 1545 01:17:40,281 --> 01:17:42,488 So I sent the buyer down to the abattoir 1546 01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:47,952 to buy a load of offal, which stank terrible. 1547 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,868 And they put it in formaldehyde for you, but it was worse. 1548 01:17:52,001 --> 01:17:53,081 But we packed it round. 1549 01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:54,666 And Ridley was doing it himself too. 1550 01:17:54,795 --> 01:17:58,959 We were sticking it all around underneath. 1551 01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:00,902 Veronica Cartwright: We're all up in our dressing rooms 1552 01:18:00,926 --> 01:18:02,587 at shepperton studios. 1553 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,802 Harry Dean Stanton is sitting in the hall 1554 01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:06,670 singing and playing guitar. 1555 01:18:06,807 --> 01:18:08,388 We're up there for hours. 1556 01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:11,725 We kept wondering, what the... what was going on? 1557 01:18:11,854 --> 01:18:13,415 Ian Nathan: But at a certain point in time, 1558 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,146 some assistant is sent to bring them to set. 1559 01:18:16,275 --> 01:18:20,268 And what greets them isn't a vision, it's a smell. 1560 01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:21,940 Because over these hours, this kind 1561 01:18:22,072 --> 01:18:23,672 of offal and produce has just 1562 01:18:23,782 --> 01:18:25,568 been cooking under the lights. 1563 01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,364 Literally, you gagged when you walked onto the set. 1564 01:18:29,496 --> 01:18:30,952 It was so disgusting. 1565 01:18:31,081 --> 01:18:33,572 Ridley wasn't certain how that was going to happen, 1566 01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:36,496 how... how... how's that gonna manifest? 1567 01:18:36,629 --> 01:18:40,372 All this... this innards of a cow and the blood, 1568 01:18:40,507 --> 01:18:43,374 and thinking, my. 1569 01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:44,966 Dan o'bannon: What they saw was John 1570 01:18:45,095 --> 01:18:48,087 hurt spread out on this table with all of these hoses. 1571 01:18:48,224 --> 01:18:50,260 Everybody is covered up in suits. 1572 01:18:50,392 --> 01:18:53,008 The actors walk in, and they see that waiting for them. 1573 01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:55,352 And I saw them, their faces all sort of dropped. 1574 01:18:55,481 --> 01:18:58,769 They all sort of went like this, and their eyes got big 1575 01:18:58,901 --> 01:19:00,937 and roamed around all over this stuff. 1576 01:19:01,070 --> 01:19:03,652 Veronica Cartwright: We started to shoot the scene, 1577 01:19:03,781 --> 01:19:06,944 and I was told I'd get a little blood on me. 1578 01:19:07,076 --> 01:19:09,488 So we start to roll. 1579 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:12,987 Ian Nathan: And then what happens is brilliant. 1580 01:19:13,123 --> 01:19:16,991 There's just this splat, almost like a bullet has hit him. 1581 01:19:17,127 --> 01:19:20,415 He puts a pause in. 1582 01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,913 You've got to kind of give the audience a chance 1583 01:19:23,050 --> 01:19:25,006 to realize what's happened. 1584 01:19:25,135 --> 01:19:27,547 John hurt: The whole thing was really a trick in the cut. 1585 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,295 And there was a cut to the other side 1586 01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:32,548 of the table where by which time I had been 1587 01:19:32,685 --> 01:19:34,346 replaced by a replica body. 1588 01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,311 His t-shirt pulled you know, tightly on it, 1589 01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:43,355 and then there's gonna be blood lines on high pressure pumps. 1590 01:19:43,487 --> 01:19:45,398 They're going to blow blood everywhere. 1591 01:19:45,531 --> 01:19:48,318 So we start to roll, and then all of a sudden, 1592 01:19:48,450 --> 01:19:49,450 Ridley shouts, cut. 1593 01:19:49,493 --> 01:19:50,528 Cut. 1594 01:19:50,661 --> 01:19:52,947 It didn't work on the first take. 1595 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,616 There wasn't much of a chestburster. 1596 01:19:54,748 --> 01:19:56,864 It couldn't get through the damn t-shirt. 1597 01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:59,333 Well, we found ourselves leaning in to see 1598 01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:01,042 what the hell was going on. 1599 01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:04,413 Roger Christian: Second time, it still didn't go through, 1600 01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:06,211 but it came up like that, and then 1601 01:20:06,343 --> 01:20:07,958 went down and covered in blood. 1602 01:20:08,095 --> 01:20:11,053 And the actors were all kind of looking like that and curious. 1603 01:20:11,181 --> 01:20:16,642 So it was a stroke of genius that it went wrong. 1604 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:20,479 They still didn't know what was coming. 1605 01:20:20,607 --> 01:20:22,393 And it reset again. 1606 01:20:22,526 --> 01:20:25,893 Ridley just said to Nick allder and to Roger dicken, 1607 01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:27,895 just get it through this time. 1608 01:20:28,032 --> 01:20:31,866 And they added more blood, more pipelines. 1609 01:20:31,994 --> 01:20:34,235 Ian Nathan: And this thing goes up through, splat. 1610 01:20:34,371 --> 01:20:35,907 They fire all the pumps. 1611 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,350 Roger Christian: When it went through, 1612 01:20:37,374 --> 01:20:41,162 I mean, that blood just went everywhere. 1613 01:20:41,295 --> 01:20:43,536 It was just exactly what Scott wanted. 1614 01:20:43,672 --> 01:20:47,460 It was just this absolutely immediate visceral response. 1615 01:20:47,593 --> 01:20:52,053 When it happened, of course, it stills you. 1616 01:20:52,181 --> 01:20:57,050 So that's how it manifests, huh? 1617 01:20:57,186 --> 01:20:58,050 Ridley Scott: God! 1618 01:20:58,187 --> 01:21:01,099 And again, Nick, and again! 1619 01:21:01,231 --> 01:21:04,815 Veronica Cartwright: I had leaned into a blood jet. 1620 01:21:04,943 --> 01:21:08,356 That little blood shot me square in the face. 1621 01:21:08,489 --> 01:21:12,778 And that's when I jumped back and I went, oh my god. 1622 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:17,153 And my knees hit the back of those banquette 1623 01:21:17,289 --> 01:21:21,783 where we were all sitting, and it flipped me upside down. 1624 01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:24,080 And I said, oh my gosh, we're still shooting. 1625 01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:26,204 So I rolled over and I got back up, 1626 01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:30,003 and I ran around and got back into the scene. 1627 01:21:33,972 --> 01:21:36,884 So there were different... there were different reactions to it. 1628 01:21:37,017 --> 01:21:38,382 Ridley Scott: And action. 1629 01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:40,134 Crew: Blood. 1630 01:21:40,270 --> 01:21:41,134 Ridley Scott: Blood. 1631 01:21:41,271 --> 01:21:42,101 Crew: Enough. 1632 01:21:42,231 --> 01:21:42,720 Ridley Scott: Push it out. 1633 01:21:42,856 --> 01:21:43,891 Pump it. 1634 01:21:44,024 --> 01:21:45,085 Roger Christian: Roger dicken had 1635 01:21:45,109 --> 01:21:46,849 built little lungs in as well. 1636 01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:49,772 It was a lot of stuff going on under the table 1637 01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:54,399 to make it look so real, hung bits of stuff all over it so 1638 01:21:54,535 --> 01:21:56,400 that it looked like it broke through the flesh 1639 01:21:56,537 --> 01:21:57,537 and heart and muscles. 1640 01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:05,327 That was part of Ridley wanting this to be unquestionably real. 1641 01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:08,999 And I think that scream, when it screams, 1642 01:22:09,133 --> 01:22:11,124 there's the bacon shot. 1643 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:14,502 There's something really strange in those paintings that 1644 01:22:14,638 --> 01:22:18,426 connects to the phobias that we carry with us to this day, 1645 01:22:20,727 --> 01:22:23,013 so I think, you know, particularly 1646 01:22:23,147 --> 01:22:26,639 the "incubus" is one that was struck 1647 01:22:26,775 --> 01:22:29,016 me when I read the script. 1648 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,769 Because that chestburster it comes out and sits there 1649 01:22:31,905 --> 01:22:34,738 for a moment and screams, and that's just as you 1650 01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,323 imagine an incubus would do. 1651 01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:39,034 It would come out, sit, and scream at you. 1652 01:22:39,163 --> 01:22:41,495 I loved that image so much, and what 1653 01:22:41,623 --> 01:22:44,205 I see in it is something that's like a material 1654 01:22:44,334 --> 01:22:47,041 object trying to come to life. 1655 01:22:47,171 --> 01:22:49,127 And that's what "alien" is. 1656 01:22:49,256 --> 01:22:50,462 Ridley Scott: Slow. 1657 01:22:50,591 --> 01:22:51,797 Slow. 1658 01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,509 Ok, and the head back. 1659 01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:58,003 Slow, go! 1660 01:22:58,140 --> 01:22:58,799 Shit. 1661 01:22:58,932 --> 01:22:59,421 Great. 1662 01:22:59,558 --> 01:23:00,092 Cut it. 1663 01:23:00,225 --> 01:23:00,805 Crew: Cut it. 1664 01:23:00,934 --> 01:23:02,390 Save the blood. 1665 01:23:02,519 --> 01:23:04,581 Drew Morton: When I'm watching the chestburster scene 1666 01:23:04,605 --> 01:23:08,143 on the nostromo, and I'm thinking about how brilliantly 1667 01:23:08,275 --> 01:23:10,937 staged it is because it doesn't take place in a dark corridor 1668 01:23:11,069 --> 01:23:12,650 with a guy all by himself. 1669 01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:16,647 And then decades later, Ridley Scott 1670 01:23:16,783 --> 01:23:20,446 restages a chestburster scene and does it exactly in that way 1671 01:23:20,579 --> 01:23:23,286 that's so much more tropey. 1672 01:23:23,415 --> 01:23:26,623 In the dark, a guy alone being watched over 1673 01:23:26,752 --> 01:23:34,716 only by the malevolent David, and with this smoke and lights 1674 01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:38,131 behind him, it's almost like it's the first draft 1675 01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:39,878 of the original scene that was rejected 1676 01:23:40,015 --> 01:23:43,382 and then for some reason, revisited later. 1677 01:23:43,519 --> 01:23:47,387 But on the other hand, there is something really 1678 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:50,936 delightful if you give into it. 1679 01:23:51,068 --> 01:23:54,276 I feel like Ridley Scott can't find a better way 1680 01:23:54,404 --> 01:23:58,568 to talk about his own mortality than by going back 1681 01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:03,239 over and over to the origin side of the height of his powers 1682 01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:06,489 and the height of his creativity. 1683 01:24:06,625 --> 01:24:08,957 Ian Nathan: If you look at where Ridley Scott is currently 1684 01:24:09,086 --> 01:24:11,873 taking the "alien" cycle, he's using 1685 01:24:12,005 --> 01:24:14,246 it explicitly to explore questions 1686 01:24:14,383 --> 01:24:16,590 of where did life come from? 1687 01:24:20,222 --> 01:24:24,841 He seems fascinated by the idea that the child would destroy 1688 01:24:24,977 --> 01:24:31,189 the parent, that the created would destroy the creator, that 1689 01:24:31,316 --> 01:24:35,104 things we make come back and destroy us, which I suppose 1690 01:24:35,237 --> 01:24:37,603 are variations on the Frankenstein story. 1691 01:24:37,739 --> 01:24:41,652 But the repeated recurrence of this in his work 1692 01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:45,619 suggests, I think, a major autistic obsession, actually. 1693 01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:52,117 People often talk of Hollywood as the dream factory 1694 01:24:52,254 --> 01:24:54,620 but I think the dreams that Hollywood puts on the screens 1695 01:24:54,756 --> 01:24:57,338 are not just the dream of one person, 1696 01:24:57,467 --> 01:24:59,924 they're collective dreams. 1697 01:25:00,053 --> 01:25:04,387 Cinema is a window on our collective unconscious. 1698 01:25:04,516 --> 01:25:07,007 And in that way, I think that "alien" 1699 01:25:07,144 --> 01:25:09,886 is an incredibly important window 1700 01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:15,938 on what people were thinking about as of the late 1970s. 1701 01:25:16,069 --> 01:25:18,560 When you look back an alien 40 years later, 1702 01:25:18,697 --> 01:25:20,733 it seems prophetic of where we've gone. 1703 01:25:20,866 --> 01:25:22,386 We're still going in the same direction 1704 01:25:22,451 --> 01:25:25,033 that it seemed to be indicating at the time, which makes 1705 01:25:25,162 --> 01:25:28,780 the world of "alien," if not probable, at least, you know, 1706 01:25:28,915 --> 01:25:30,621 looking like a possibility in the way 1707 01:25:30,751 --> 01:25:32,457 that "star wars" could never be. 1708 01:25:36,673 --> 01:25:39,710 The last act of "alien" is escaping self-destruction. 1709 01:25:39,843 --> 01:25:41,879 That's the myth of our times. 1710 01:25:42,012 --> 01:25:43,812 Part of what makes "alien" so powerful is it's 1711 01:25:43,847 --> 01:25:45,303 so much more than an allegory. 1712 01:25:45,432 --> 01:25:50,051 It taps into a deep set of patterns that can 1713 01:25:50,187 --> 01:25:51,973 mean many, many, many things. 1714 01:25:52,105 --> 01:25:54,642 I don't think we can get to the bottom of "alien." 1715 01:25:54,775 --> 01:25:57,858 Like a piece of sand vibrating in a somatic experiment, 1716 01:25:57,986 --> 01:26:00,693 in touch with something deeper, Dan o'bannon must have been 1717 01:26:00,822 --> 01:26:02,687 on the frequency for this myth. 1718 01:26:02,824 --> 01:26:07,818 He seems to have been a stenograph for a larger song. 1719 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:13,449 Diane o'bannon: My husband was out of time, in a way, 1720 01:26:13,585 --> 01:26:16,873 out of specific time. 1721 01:26:17,005 --> 01:26:18,495 But he lives on. 1722 01:26:18,632 --> 01:26:22,250 And when he was dying, that's what I said to him. 1723 01:26:22,386 --> 01:26:24,297 He was not conscious. 1724 01:26:24,429 --> 01:26:26,670 I said, you moved the world. 1725 01:26:26,807 --> 01:26:27,512 You did it. 1726 01:26:27,641 --> 01:26:29,256 You moved the world. 1727 01:26:29,393 --> 01:26:31,349 And he did. 1728 01:26:31,478 --> 01:26:35,141 In a way, I don't think Dan o'bannon is finished yet. 1729 01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:39,357 When he died, I had a strange feeling 1730 01:26:39,486 --> 01:26:44,526 that he'd gone back to the future from whence he'd come. 1731 01:26:44,658 --> 01:26:48,242 And there's still things there that are emerging from him 1732 01:26:48,370 --> 01:26:51,703 and things that I have that are just 1733 01:26:51,832 --> 01:26:53,413 now becoming relevant today. 1734 01:26:53,542 --> 01:26:56,375 And there's more there. 1735 01:26:56,503 --> 01:26:57,709 There's more there. 1736 01:26:57,838 --> 01:27:00,250 Don't ask me why he had this connection 1737 01:27:00,382 --> 01:27:05,001 to the past and the future, but he sure did. 1738 01:27:05,137 --> 01:27:08,629 He came from a place that had no telephone or television 1739 01:27:08,765 --> 01:27:11,848 and went to the stars. 1740 01:27:11,977 --> 01:27:12,682 Went to the stars. 1741 01:27:12,811 --> 01:27:14,051 It's inexplicable. 131934

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